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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ilkevinli:
Sorry but these online petitions are a waste of time. I can't recall 1 that has ever worked. Sad but true.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgalan14:
It has work in the past for HTC
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ilkevinli:
And how do you know it was the online petition and not the BBB complaints or the twitter complaints, or the letters sent to the CEO.... etc ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] lopezpm:
I agree but this Sprint User will still sign. Verizon are such bastards.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Gr8Danes:
I'm on AT&T, but I'll sign. It worked for the Atrix when it came out and Motorola got all the bad press......a key was leaked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] lopezpm:
What does it matter it's not hurting anyone. I remember posting on the HTC facebook page and comparing them to Apple.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ilkevinli:
It doesn't. My only point is that there are other avenues that will probably have a better effect then a useless online petition.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ckochinsky125:
the one about the $2 fee worked. If it gets enough press there is alot that can change, not saying it will but it can.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] incubus26jc:
Pointless or not, I'm doing what I can.

30 signs already. Keep it guys. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] wellsey1126:
+1
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] antawnm26:
Chatted with samsung live tech:

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Chat Information Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK56401291330X

Sergio : Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?

Visitor: why is the verizon samsung galaxy s3 bootloader locked or encypted?

Visitor: All other versions does not have a locked/encrypted bootloader

Sergio : I understand that you want to know the information about the locked/encrypted bootloader for verizon samsung galaxy S-III device. Is that correct?

Visitor: I just recieved mine and i will be returning it asap. this is ridiculous, and its getting negative press at this moment

Visitor: yes

Sergio : Thank you.

Sergio : I will be glad to I will be glad to assist you.

Sergio : May I know the model number of your phone ? You can find the model number beneath the phone's battery which generally starts with SGH, SCH or SPH .

Visitor: its the verizon samsung galaxy s3

Visitor: SCH-I535

Visitor: Why is the bootloader locked/encrypted?

Sergio : Would you mind if I place you on hold for 3 minutes while I pull up the details regarding this issue?

Visitor: ok i will hold
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] manaox2:
The spelling and grammar on the main site post is honestly atrocious. /grammernazi
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] fergie716:
Signed as well (have the Sprint variant but feel the frustration)

I have a question: Were there any leaked reports or an official statement from Verizon prior to the phones release that indicated the bootloader would be locked/encrypted etc?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Sniper_5:
none that I'm aware of

Sent from my Droid X until I get my SGS3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nosympathy:
11,000 views and 1000 signitures...?

Come on people.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Sniper_5:
some of that will be people who already signed checking back in.

Sent from my Droid X until I get my SGS3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Elite49:
Yea the hashtags seem good, and everything else seems great. Like I said I'm still getting it but I'm not happy at Verizon. #unlockSGS3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CreekDirt:
Signed it as well. Not a Verizon user cause they suck where I live, but principals are principals.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] DirtyDroidX:
I wrote it while driving. I apologize for my grammar and punctuation. A simple thanks would have been OK. Or a PM.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Micronads:
Signed, it is like Apple telling me i can't do what i want with my $600 device. I am on att. Good luck
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] germanian:
/signed this is bs why is verizon the only getting it locked down
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jmacko:
I'd love to see the following on some tech blogs:

"The Samsung S3 is a great phone, but Verizon's software modifications have made it unlikely to be upgraded and supported long term. If that's important to you, we recommend you consider another carrier."
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ckochinsky125:
Sadly once you buy a phone from verizon they really do not care or feel the need to update it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] SMN23:
AT&T may not be the culprit but they already have some decent phones that can't be unlocked or rooted. I just got the Xperia Ion and so far it doesn't look too good with getting unlocked either.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ToyTank:
Yes heads of schools are heads of schools.

Signed. I have a Razr Maxx. Verizon is the only option here if I want data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dmbatson:
I'm Expecting my device tomorrow.

I signed, GF, and friend of mine did too.

All of us have the Gnex im the only one getting GS3 but atleast if rom dev isnt high i can always flash something on my GF's phone and then flash back to what she had to get rid of my crackflashing addiction.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] spiderj:
Do you have more information on this? I would like to take facts to my Verizon store. Don't know if it is true, but a friend of mine who worked for Verizon mentioned the same thing and said if I they advertise LTE and I have an argument (such as your statement above) I could argue that I am not getting what I pay for and they might have to let me out of my contract.

**update** Actually found some info. Looks like they are within their "rights" but if they advertise it as a LTE phone, then there may be some room to complain.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...-does-not-violate-fcc-block-c-spectrum-rules/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
I think the "reasonable network management" argument is crap. If we are such a small percentage of users on their network, what kind of negative effect could we possibly have on the network.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CZ Eddie:
Signed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] macdroid01:
I agree. Many S III users are on TIERED data but just want to play with their phone. hey, maybe they want FM radio. Maybe they want a custom ROM.

If they leave Verizon, Verizon loses tons of money!!! Not all of us are simply going to download 50 gigs of movies with unlimited. Besides, those people already CAN do that. We don't need VZ to unlock the boot just to do that.

I think it boils down to this: management at the top at VZ like most companies are technologically ignorant. They simply have no clue. They think they'll save money with these tactics but they don't realize the people that want to tether already can and will. The only people they hurt (and thus lose as customers) are legitimate customers, many of whom spend a lot on VZ and make lots of recommendations to friends.

I came to the conclusion above after speaking with a high-ranking CSR. they called ME. That I was impressed with. I tried to explain the issue, and how in reality they will have MORE returned "bricked" phones because of this locked bootloader and not less, and I do not think he understood. I was NOT trying to be arrogant. I attempted to explain the situation thoroughly, and in a calm manner. I first of all thanked him highly for contacting me, which I'm sincerely impressed with. I also noted VZ does have the best network, for sure. But as someone here posted, it's the network where we are "not allowed to have nice things". Thus, people will switch. While he said he understood I was left with a feeling either he did not fully, or perhaps did not believe me and thought I was BSing. I genuinely think over all, the big picture...this Verizon mistake will end up costing them money. CASH. Just a hunch here. Not too much, probably, but why would LOSE any given amount of money for BAD public relations (PR)??? I guess we'll see...

Also as skennelly posted in the dev thread, "Ridiculous! The only thing Verizon support is good for is telling you to factory reset your phone! Anyone that unlocks their bootloader gets there support from these forums, not some moron vzw employee! "

This is absolutely true. We don't get support from VZ on our boot loaders! Of course not!!! if anything we use their support LESS! (Far less? Not at all? What good are they anyway? We all know more than all but the most senior CSRs or actual engineers at VZW. Not trying to be condescending, but this is just reality.). The point is we should all state this to VZ, when talking to them on phone, talking to customer service reps. We need to continue to emphasize to VZ that this mistake will cost them MONEY. More returns, lost customers, bad PR, etc etc.

also we have to keep on this.

I saw VZW source code is released. Good first step. now un-encrypt the boot loader and we are all good. hacks and workarounds are NOT optimal. It wastes are brilliant and talented devs' time they could be doing something more creative.

Moreover, it means we'll get ROMs later if at all. :/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nevrlow:
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You are now chatting with 'Aaron'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.

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Aaron: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?

vabeachfc: hi, im wondering why the verizon version of the galaxy s 3 has a locked bootloader when all the other carriers galaxy s 3's have unlocked bootloaders/

Aaron: I'll be glad to help you.

Aaron: I understand that you want to know why the bootloader on your phone is locked. Is that correct?

vabeachfc: thats correct

vabeachfc: its either locked or encrypted

Aaron: Thank you.

Aaron: I am sorry to inform you that Samsung highly recommend not to unlock the bootloader on your phone as it will effect the warranty of your phone.

vabeachfc: wrong.

vabeachfc: why are other carriers version not locked?

vabeachfc: ?

Aaron: I apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you .

vabeachfc: do you have a ceo or someone high up i can address my concerns too? had to cancel my pre order

Aaron: I apologize, as verizon is a CDMA you can not unlock the bootloader. However I recommend you to contact the carrier support team for further assistance on this issue.

Aaron: You can contact Verizon support at 1-888-466-4646.

Click here to reach them online.

vabeachfc: do you know what a bootloader is?

vabeachfc: you are thinking i mean unlock the phone to use on another network.

vabeachfc: thats not what we are discussing here

Aaron: No, it is a screen which appears during boot up.

vabeachfc: Boot loader loads the required operating system files in to RAM when you power on the device.

vabeachfc: why is it locked?

vabeachfc: simple question

vabeachfc: why is it locked on verizon but not other u,s, carriers/

Aaron: I apologize, as this is a technical support department we don't have that information.

vabeachfc: do you realize how big this story is right now?

vabeachfc: your biting the hand that feeds you

Aaron: May I know have you purchased the Verizon galaxy S3?

Aaron: I apologize for the inconvenience.

vabeachfc: i pre ordered it but cancelled my request

vabeachfc: thanks for your time today. goodbye
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] spiderj:
Chats like that get you no where. You come off aggressive and angry (which you are, of course). When you are aggressive and angry, you dont make sense (which you really didnt) The rep has no idea what he is supposed to do other than listen to you *****. This is the kind of chat that most Reps would file away and forget about. If you want to get Samsung on our side, this is not how you approach it. When your wife/girlfriend comes at you like a crazy person, is it effective? No, you shut down and quit listening. Same with customer service people. You act polite, explain your complain/concern in a decent manner and what impact it has for you. Explain that this has swayed you from purchasing their product, which hurts them. They will be much more likely to listen to your concern and possibly do something about it or forward the complaint on if you are polite. They are not decision makers, they are just paid to answer phones and try to help.

Just an FYI from someone who has done their fair share of phone support. I wouldn't lift a finger to help someone who came at me like that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jcurley:
I actually believe, since the statement released by VZW on this, that this is to prevent us from tethering.

When Verizon says, this is to prevent "negatively impact the wireless experience for other customers" That is saying, they don't want us, with unlimited data, unlocking, flashing a Kernel that will allow wireless tether at no cost and increasing traffic on their network.

I, in no way, support this, in fact I hate that Verizon thinks they are the only game in town, but that is my opinion, but this seems like their BS thinking.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] stalked_r/t:
When it comes down to it, what affect will this have? I have my device being delivered tomorrow. If this means I'll have less dev support than the Skyrocket, then I'm returning this brick. If it means it's an annoyance, but that's about it, I'm going to hold onto it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jcurley:
I agree, I will still root and remove the bloat.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
I don't disagree with this, which makes it even more frustrating and shows how little they know. Don't they realize that you don't even need root (let alone an unlocked bootloader) to tether?

Or are they worried that you can't run VZnav on a custom rom? :confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] macdroid01:
no skennelly, they probably don't.

Do you really think managers (I'm talking in the corner office) at Verizon have even a remote idea what a boot loader is?

A GOOD manager I had recently said something I love to quote. "DETAILS. MATTER". Good managers do understand at least at a certain extent what they are managing. Or they at least rely on analysis from their technical staff. Ruling with an iron fist and beating your customers over the head like this may very well end up COSTING them not making them money. Who knows. I can't see the future. But I think you make a good point here. We shoudl also mention this concept to VZ. Although I admit it makes me somewhat nervous...what if they geniunely don't realize how easy it is to tether on bt/usb and if they catch on... ??? Hm.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] radiohead14:
signed!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] 33colburn:
Signed. I only own an EVO 3D but I will sign any petition to get unlocked boot loaders for all of my fellow Android fans.

I don't want the internet controlled or any device I used controlled by anyone but me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sabre31:
It means you have a brick for now unless somebody can unlock the bootloader which can take a very long time or never. So say goodbye to custom roms.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Android_Monsters:
Signed
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] MunkinDrunky:
If we were ever to have any chance for justice or at least reasonable treatment as paying customers, is this alley the only one? I wish there was more hope.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] damnage88:
Forget bluetooth or usb, what about wifi

Anyone have confirmation on a working wifi tether option, from what I read, Foxfi doesn't work, which means I will not be opening my Galaxy S3 from verizon and returning it straight to the store unless the devs can come out w/ a fix
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ricky babalu:
The higher up the chain a Manager is the more disconnect they have with the "Nuts & Bolts" of a company. Just watch "Secret Boss" or whatever the hell that show is called. Over and over they show Managers on the front lines and they are

clueless

.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] macdroid01:
The problem is details matter and sometimes when managers don't know the details they cost the company money. Like this.

I highly doubt losing customers is worth whatever it is they think they're accomplishing with an encrypted loader. It's not like we can't still tether etc.

I really wanted FM radio. I feel it would be easier to have it with unlocked loader. Just an example. Why waste our brilliant dev's time here on this.

Also I like learning about how Android works. But do I really want to spend twice the amount of time dicking around just to get a custom ROM on my phone? Of course not, no one does. We want custom ROMs the easiest way possible that takes as little time to get working as we can. F u VZ.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] incubus26jc:
My petition made them cave.. kidding :)

http://m.androidcentral.com/samsung...galaxy-s-iii?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inm8num2:
This has gotten way too complicated.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Onebryteday:
So this is only a Verizon issue? Is Samsung locking the bootloader for AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and others say US Cellular?

How can we find this out?

Regards,

:confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inm8num2:
^ Only the Verizon S3 bootloader is locked/encrypted. The other carrier versions are unlocked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Onebryteday:
Any way to test it? or Check?:confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NFSP G35:
Not that this is the right thread for it, but I'll still help you out...

Get this: http://code.google.com/p/android-wi...etail?name=wifi_tether_v3_2-pre1.apk&can=2&q=

Then set this: device profile to genetic ics and setup method to netd master
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] SlimSnoopOS:
Just look into each carrier development thread and notice that they have unlockable bootloaders. Verizon is literally the only carrier in the world to encrypt the GSIII bootloader.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hayabusa1300cc:
Nvm
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inm8num2:
LOL it's just so bizarre. First Verizon says that modding and custom roms can hurt their network, then they say that it's okay for Samsung to sell unlocked phones.

Such ugly, deceptive business tactics.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TommyNYC:
Signed (for what its worth).

Wish I could go with Sprint...:(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jdubau55:
Signed.

I can see something coming from Samsung way before anything comes from VZW.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] diehardbattery:
Signed
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] MyndMayze:
signed. Used my early upgrade just before the 28th, contract ends in august but not until a week after another 2 upgrades available. Considering getting a couple more brand new phones at a lower cost, flipping off verizon, selling the phones and going to a new carrier.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] antispiral:
Signed..hope it works ..not holding my breath lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] djthread:
I just left Verizon over this issue. They are done restricting me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mrich137:
Got the GNex on Verizon. Thought I'd help out my fellow man being screwed over by Verizon:)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] incubus26jc:
Almost 2k guys. Lets Go! so i can send it too them.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] IAmPears:
I gladly signed this, hopefully Verizon listens to what their customers want
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mustbepbs:
Pretty sure Verizon sees thousands of customers come and go on a weekly basis. This isn't going to change a thing. When have petitions ever done anything useful? No Motorola phone has ever been unlocked through petitions (or unlocked period).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] IAmPears:
hey, at least we can try. plus not all samsung phones are locked... this is purely Verizon not caring about customers
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jeremystyle:
I'm in! if the devs can crack the nook tablet which was brutally locked down, I have good feelings for this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Karl:
start a campaign to flood Verizon and Samsung emails and Facebook it worked for the HTC 3D on sprint
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] IAmPears:
someone should send this to Verizon's support twitter
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] IAmPears:
only 77 more signatures :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dave1977nj:
I don't have Verizon but I still signed the petition. If I were one of you guys within the 30 day period is return the phone and switch carriers.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Frank2009:
Signed
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] IAmPears:
Bump so people see this
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgalan14:
Verizon OTA coming?

http://www.droiddog.com/android-blo...update/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mike86325:
pretty sure this was confirmed false
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] chazking:
signed hopefully it works
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] IAmPears:
over 2000 :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] oreo:
Samsung just posted VRZ unlocked bootloader dev edition s3 is coming soon with 32gb pebble blue
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] oreo:
Details here

http://m.engadget.com/2012/07/16/galaxy-s-iii-dev-edition-coming-soon/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Bob Simons:
Not true about Moto petitions. They unlocked the Matrix and Photon after many months. I hear the service stock replacements are now locked again but don't know about that for sure. Moto essentiasly released a "leaked" unlocked ROM although they still hadn't released ICS as of when the Siii came out.

For me, I would've bought the Gnex if at&t had it. Idont think the TW is any kind of favor.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] incubus26jc:
Nice Job Everyone!! I will send this to whoever i can. Thanks again to everyone who signed. Much appreciated.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] stkiswr:
They aren't unlocking this GS. Samsung is going to sell an unlocked one. Verizon is not offering a tool to unlock. If anything the ota that enables global will lock the phone down harder than it is now.

Sorry y'all, but once the dev version went up on Samsung's own site it sealed the deal that this GS on Verizon is never happening
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dtdmdrums:
Signed! Hoping this will make it to eyes that can make a change!

Sent from my SCH-I535
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] cadbomb:
I don't even own an SGS3, but I signed the petition anyway for you guys. It's silly for any company to say "Give me 200-250 bucks and promise me a 2 year service contract, and I'll give you a gimped phone." This is sad and Samsung should not have allowed it to begin with. We buy the phone, it's ours. We subscribe to service. That's the only thing you own, Verizon. Make it right.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Alright ladies and gents! 2000 signatures. Fire it off OP!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Samsung.Galaxy.S3:
Signed!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] odmejia:
Most def signed!! I want my s3 rooted!! :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Solidsnake726:
Signed, and what does it mean when we reached 2000?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kellic:
Signed, retweeted, and Facebooked. Fat lotta good it will do. Verizon is the most arrogant company on the planet behind Apple and Microsoft.

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That you've reached 2K. Nothing more.

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Who cares. The only way to get that phone is to drop what was it? $500? $600? Thanks but I don't have that bank laying around and if I did it would go towards down payment on a house not a phone.

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Thanks for making the petition a hollow gesture now. :rolleyes:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Jubmasterflex:
While I wish to remain optimistic, our cries will more than likely fall on deaf ears considering Samsung is already providing preorders for the "dev" version.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] d_mon1:
Signed,

It's so unfair how all the other carriers are fine with unlocked GS3s.

Verizon = Money Cows