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[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
Agree with this guy. You sound like you want 4.1, it's going to be a while before any other tablet gets that.

And the other guys above are right in the fact that N7 will hold it's value well. Go with the N7 and forget that piece of crap XO, you will regret the XO. It might even turn you off of tablets completely.

Get N7 and be done with it.

Then just resell it if something better comes along. And hey... if nothing better comes along... guess what, you've got the best tablet available at this price!

I'm personally planning to do exactly what I and others are suggesting to you as well.

I'm ordering an N7, but I, like you, would really like the HDMI out, so we'll see what Acer comes out with with their a110, and we'll see what other companies come out with as well and I'll look into video out workarounds in the mean time, perhaps we'll find a suitable work around and get to keep our super sexy HD screens and the latest versions of Android (including all future updates they day the are released rather than waiting months for other companies to implement updates - if ever).

Rock yourself an N7 my friend... just do it, stop hesitating, you'll thank us all later.

(not sure if I should even add this part to not confuse you even further but - if for some reason you're set on getting a cheap junk Chinese tablet to save a dollar though there's a lot better options than the XO Vision, keep in mind they're all still junk though, I'd say look at something like this instead: Ramos W6HD or perhaps Ainol NOVO Mars - I still say go with the N7 though, you'll be a lot happier in the long run)
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
OK. Done. I am taking your guy's advice. But first, I'll back up a bit. I have a 64G LTE iPad. It has become my main device, I love the battery life & instant on features the most. I am completely sold on tablets. However the entire time I've owned the iPad, Android guys were telling/showing how easy it was to just stick in a microSD card full of movies & watch them or download something from the web on their tablet, pull out the MicroSD card stick it in a USB adapter & transfer files to any other computer. I've longed for those features as Apple has denied them to me as they must not think I can handle it. I have also come to the conclusion that I'd like a smaller, lighter, more portable device to carry everywhere that didn't cost me $900 like my iPad+smart-cover. So, for a LONG-TERM 7" android tablet at a MINIMUM, I'd like Buttery smooth (iPad-like) Jelly Bean, on at least a dual-core 1+ Ghz tablet, 1+ GB ram, with screen res of AT LEAST 1024x600, and it should have MicroSD & HDMI out, along with 9-10 battery life for being online. That's what I'd like in a LONG-TERM 7" android device. Any more would be a bonus. But I have decided to settle for the Nexus 7 until someone comes along with my Dream Tablet, and then I'll knock off $100 of the $286.33 I will have paid and use the remaining balance toward whatever the Nexus 7 killer is.

I think Android could possibly be better than iOS with this new Jelly Bean version but only if combined with hardware that takes advantage of all of its capabilities. I think Google/Asus hit a home run with the Nexus 7 but they could have easily made it a GRAND SLAM.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
IM SOOO CONFOOOZED...

SUMBODI TELL ME WOT TO BY...
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[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
:crying::(:confused::cyclops::):laugh:

I WAS feeling pretty down about having to settle for an Android tablet that has the same limitations as my iPad, but I'm starting feel better about it. Thanks for lifting my spirits. :victory:
[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
Android is teh sex. I've got a couple iOS devices too (not an iPad, an iPhone 4 and a late generation iPod). I'm not iOS hater, but I also have an Android phone and it's just a billion times nicer cause it's billion times more customizable.

As for your popping a card into a computer and easily accessing it again on the tablet - if you're willing to spend a bit more money you could grab one of these things - and it would work with your Nexus 7 AND your iPad both - http://www.airstash.com/

I've got no good workaround solutions for you for the video out, I've been looking at a few things like the WD TV Live (Google it), something like this might work too: http://www.roku.com/roku-products and other similar devices.

That Raspberry Pi + Android Transporter (http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1512) looks pretty sexy as a potential future option. There are other devices like these as well.

If you Google: DLNA adapter and hit the first link at androidforums there's some good device suggestions in that thread over there too.

Hope this helps.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
That is very interesting, thanks for the info.
[Nexus 7 General] lovenokia:
you can always root, cause that device will prob get jb if you root obiviously
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
If I could get JB on the SGT-2-7" that would definitely fill my requirements for a long term 7" android tablet. I will have to take another look at this option.
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
Okay you want Jelly Bean? Well you will be waiting a while.

Allso, Just so you know, Google is selling this Tablet AT COST no other manufacturer is going to do that. If you are willing to throw $100 away just buy one of the many wireless Hard drives mentioned on this forum.

OR you can wait until Devs easily fix the USB hosting, then spend that money on a DLNA adapter. Now you have both of what you want.

Problem solved
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I would have paid more willingly, if they hadn't neutered the device.

Also, why should the Devs be "fixing" anything. Makes it sound like Google messed something up. Why would they leave things "broken" & not make it right in the first place? Doesn't make sense.

Ok, Google left out the microSD slot & HDMI port. They could have at least enabled USB-OTG natively & included MHL functionality. That would have been something at least. This Nexus 7 is going to be a nice device for the money, but I for one would have paid more for a GREAT device that no one else would have been capable of providing. I couldn't care less about the $199 price point, I want more functionality built in darn it! ASUS basically promised they could provide what I wanted for $249 back in Jan & so I waited. Now people here are basically telling me to be happy with what Google is telling me is good enough, & it just feels like what all the Apple fanboys have been telling me all along about my iPad when I say I wish it had that same micro SD card slot. At least Apple has come out with an HDMI dongle so I can mirror my device out to whatever I'd like.

I am getting a 16 GB Nexus 7, it has been ordered, but I am left wishing for more just like with my iPad.

I could offer up to $500 for basically a Nexus 7 with a built-in microSD & HDMI port but there is no such device in existence yet. Google COULD have easily made a 3rd option and charged me more & I would have paid more that is all I'm saying. But for now at least, I'll pay less, get less, and deal with it, but I refuse to be thrilled about it.
[Nexus 7 General] MaxCarnage:
Both Amazon and B&N sell their tablets basically at cost; in fact I believe that B&N sells the Nook Tablet at a loss.

For these devices it's all about getting you tied into the ecosystem, and the tablet is just the hook.

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This tablet wasn't made for you. Buy the one that has the features you want for the higher cost. Simple as that.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
This is what I was promised by ASUS in Jan @ CES. I waited almost 6 months to throw them whatever they'd charge for it. They said it'd cost me $249! I would have been thrilled to own this device but then Google got involved, stamped NEXUS on it & removed key features. Now I no longer have anything on the horizon that look as promising & that is disappointing.
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
And both of those tablets suck more.

And this tablet will do what he wants. He wants to pay $500 for HDMI and expandable storage. I already explained how he can have those easily for an extra hundred dollars. He is just miffed that it isn't EXACTLY what he wants. He doesn't understand the benefit of a nexus device and doesn't want to put the time into understanding how to solve his qualms with the device
[Nexus 7 General] MaxCarnage:
Yeah, life is tough that way sometimes. Try this puppy on for size; it's not the tablet that you were waiting 6 months for, but maybe it'll make you happy:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-7-Inch-Wi-Fi/dp/B007P4VOWC
[Nexus 7 General] MMcCraryNJ:
If you're willing to spend an extra 300 dollars for HDMI out, why not buy the Nexus Q as well? Cool little device that will allow you to put your content on your TV. Or for less money, get one of those new 99 dollar Google TV boxes.
[Nexus 7 General] MaxCarnage:
I wasn't comparing the quality of the tablets, just pointing out that Google is hardly the first to sell hardware at cost.

This tablet will clearly NOT do what he wants, and trying to convince him otherwise is not only pointless but is silly also. You say he doesn't understand the benefits of a Nexus device, but what is beneficial to you may not matter to someone else. Not everyone is as enthralled by the Nexus 7 as some of us are, so let him go the way that makes him happiest.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
Acer Iconia A110?

Has a bunch of disadvantages (not least of which is probably dev interest), but also has sd and hdmi.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I do understand that it will do what I want. But it won't do it as easily as it could have with those omitted ports that I'd have been happy to "pay" for. I'm going to have to incorporate work around solutions & that is all understood. All I'm saying is that I'd rather have paid the extra amount Google/ASUS would have had to charge to include those items ASUS displayed when they dangled that carrot in front of me back in Jan.

What else would have had to have been missing before people would realize that "NEXUS" branding isn't "Everything". What if the screen resolution was lowered to 800x480 but those ports were included? What then? That would have made it more affordable as well I'm sure. That would have ruined a perfect opportunity for a perfect device as well. Now I'm NOT saying that this device has been ruined, but it is definitely not as perfect as it could have been. It will do, and I will get one, because I DO understand what everyone is saying.

It feels like I'm telling the Emperor that he is not wearing pants, and people here are willing to beat me until I "see" that he is, even though he isn't. Geesch, mention that Google could have done better with a couple small details & get told to get lost.

Google is selling these at COST! What a joke. How much did that Google Glass presentation cost? Dirigibles, parachutes, repelling, stunt people, insurance etc., etc., I hardly think Google cares much about cost. Besides, they now have a ecosystem they are anxious to tie us into to make money off of us just like the other tablet makers.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
You got that right, wouldn't buy that for lack of battery life alone. On to the next deficient 7" Android tablet...
[Nexus 7 General] Nxxx:
What a baby. He has the money to spend on a $900 iPad 3 LTE, a N7, and none of it is good enough.

How 'bout this. Go outside, get some fresh air and take a walk. But don't think about the tablets.

When you walk back in your house. Be HAPPY! You don't really have to have all these tablets and gizmos and gadgets.

If life was perfect, we would have one device that could do everything it was needed. Every device is going to be a disappointment to somebody.

Have some self pride. Don't come to this forum and act like a baby that needs its diaper changed.

If you don't want the N7 don't get it.

[EDIT]

If you want a smaller iPad, wait for the iPad Mini.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Cause no one else I know has Jelly Bean & can come over and try to start a fight by Rick Rolling my audio Q! Also it can't play local content that I sideload onto my little precious Nexus 7! It only plays cloud content from Google Play.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Why don't you go help Google finish building their wall around their garden!
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
All I want is an unmolested ASUS ME370T that was said to be shipping Q2 2012 for $249. That is it. Only that. If you know of equivalent, enlighten us all.
[Nexus 7 General] MMcCraryNJ:
Firstly, The Q works with any Android device running 2.3 or higher. Not sure if it absolutely needs NFC or WiFi Direct to work, but JB isn't the only compatible OS.

Secondly, no need to get sassy with me. I was only giving you an honest suggestion, which is what you asked for in the beginning of the thread.
[Nexus 7 General] adamskub:
While I agree his comment was a little harsh, he does have a point. There are numerous 7" tablets out there for around $249 that have extras the Nexus 7 does not have. While they may not all be the exact device you want, that doesn't mean they don't come close or have other advantages. I personally would love to have HDMI out or a SD card, but I'll live without it. Also I just noticed the :cyclops: smiley, hehe so funny
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Do you people not realize that someone doesn't have to be completely & totally happy with something in order to buy it.

I have said several times that I'm getting a 16 GB N7 anyway. I don't happen to hold ANY one company above any other and every device I look at gets judged on its own merits.

Google has come out with the Nexus 7 for whatever reasons they may have. But they also could have made a premium version with a couple extra ports for a premium price. How many of you would have opted for that version? Maybe none, but I'd venture to bet I wouldn't be the only one willing to pony up the cash to get what I really want in a long-term tablet device.
[Nexus 7 General] ATMOSF3AR:
Nexus is the one I prefer
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I am sorry. I have been getting jabbed from all sides and was just letting my fingers type whatever came to mind. Guess I was getting a little defensive much like many others here feel they must defend Google's honor. I didn't mean to offend you but the gloves are off now so if you don't want sassy, tune out.
[Nexus 7 General] adamskub:
We do understand, that's why we bought/preorded one. We just don't understand why you are so hung up and complaining about the extra features that were lost when they made it a NEXUS device. From what you want and are willing to pay for these features, there are other tablets such as the Galaxy Tab 7 which offer HDMI out and I believe a SD card adaptor. I'm also not trying to get in an argument here, just telling you there are in fact other tablets that offer what you want (and aren't uber crappy and cheap).

As you said:

PS. It sounds like I'm pissed but I'm not, I just want to let you know where we are coming from
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
Take a chill pill people. not that serious. ;)

Everyone hold hands & sing kumbaya :)
[Nexus 7 General] adamskub:
:highfive:
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
The original question or thought was to buy a super cheap ICS tablet for $99 to play with until someone makes an equivelant device to the N7 but with microSD & HDMI because I know someone will eventually.

It was suggested that I just get the N7 instead & resell it when that future tablet comes out. That is what I've decided to do. That is all there is to it.

Some other forum members just decided to be playful and I took the bait & responded. There really isn't any other point to all of this except to understand their inability to see that my whole quandary was solved back when I stated this before.
[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
Wow sorry I missed all the excitement last night, guess I went to bed too early. lol

But if you're actually willing to pay $500 for a device... well... you're still not going to get Jelly Bean out of the box (with any device off the shelf anytime soon).

If you'd be okay with a 7.7 inch screen instead. Toshiba's got a new machine with a quad core and a sexy 1280x800 screen with the Tegra 3 quad-core, your SD and HDMI ports and even a camera on the back. For exactly $500 - http://us.toshiba.com/tablets/excite/7-7/16gb (there's a 32gb version for $579 as well)

One huge advantage you're going to get with the Nexus over pretty much anything else coming up anytime soon though is the developer community.

Not sure if that's something you're interested in or not, not having previously owned an android device.

All I can tell you is that the Android phone I'm running is a hell of a lot better to use now that I'm running a custom ROM on it vs what came with it stock. Now I've never had a Nexus device myself and I'm sure their stock androids are fantastic cause they are nice and clean, most other companies junk up their android with extra features and crap that just slow it down but my phone has really good developer support too and I get to run a nice custom ROM that's updated frequently.

The Devs come up with some pretty cool stuff to throw into their ROM's, if you browse over to the Nexus phone forums you can have a look at the ROM threads and see what kind of fancy features devs build in to give you a taste.

Otherwise, if you're okay with AMOLED and a 7.7 screen and ICS to start out with, you might enjoy that super expensive Toshiba.

I for one wouldn't pay $500 for a device that includes less than $100 worth of extra features over a $200 device, I would gladly pay $300 or perhaps $350 but I think $500 for that tech is a rip. But... to each their own, perhaps it suites you?
[Nexus 7 General] Eagle1337:
One could always wait half a year to a year and something more powerful will come out anyways..
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I never said I wanted to pay $500 for anything. I said I could offer up to $500 for an n7 equivalent with microSD & HDMI, but I couldn't just go buy what I want cause it doesn't exist.

For the record, again, like you, I'd have gladly paid $300-$350 for a ME370T with Jelly Bean.

ASUS could have just brought it to market & I'd have been completely satisfied. Maybe they will one day we'll have to see. Until then I'll experiment with the N7 USB-OTG & the doubleTwist app for video out.

The last time people acted like this about something I said, I was in an iPad forum asking for external storage & access to the file system. Heard all the excuses about how Apple knows best and I should just accept it or go elsewhere. Deja vu.
[Nexus 7 General] Eagle1337:
Why not get an Asus TF300
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Exactly, that's why in the OP I was thinking of getting a $99 tablet to fill that gap.

Besides I already waited 6 months to be disappointed by ASUS.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Wanted something smaller, lighter, more portable than iPad.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Yeah but I'd like to know how much it would've been worth to you to have them include them in a 3rd N7 option?

Can one not voice that they would've liked to have had the option to buy a more premium version of the N7 with added features without being beat down & told to accept things & worship Google for this Nexus blessing?
[Nexus 7 General] Eagle1337:
There's also USB OTG support in the nexus 7 too.
[Nexus 7 General] MaxCarnage:
The Google Crusades have begun, my friend. Convert or die.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Since Jan. 12. 2012, I've been waiting patiently for what ASUS & Nvidia said they were bringing to market by Q2 2012. Now ASUS brings a revised version missing some features. I feel I have the right to voice my unhappiness with what they have done. If I am going to get branded a crybaby :crying: for saying so than that is the price I will have to pay cause I am not willing to let them get away with not holding to their word.

I am amused by the people who think I should just accept without having voiced my objections. Maybe that is why this country is in the predicament it is.

Imagine the President saying he won't raise taxes & then does just that, raises taxes. People who voice their objections are just crybaby's? :crying: no they should just accept it, pay their taxes & go play with their neutered tablets. Unreal.
[Nexus 7 General] MaxCarnage:
That was a joke, bro. Being frustrated and venting that frustration is human and understandable. Complaining about the situation over and over and over again is whining.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I see that the more I try to help some understand my point of view, the more people see me as whining. There is no reason to continue trying, those who can't see my point, never will. Those who do, understood pages ago and are getting tired of hearing my point, so I will just go back into normal lurking mode. As far as I'm concerned this thread has served its purpose and should be closed. I've got a plan now and am just waiting for my Nexus 7 to ship.

Enjoy your N7's as I will try to do the same.
[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
It's okay Mr. 150, I understand your pain.

I too will be getting an N7 and my plan is pretty much similar to yours, if something more to my requirements comes along I'll sell it and get the next device.

But in the mean time I will enjoy my N7 very much.

The only decision that I am having trouble with is whether to order it online from Google or wait for it to drop in stores here.

Being in Canada the shipping cost is $20 which pretty much negates the $25 Play store credit (~$5) and I don't care about any of the other bonuses.

I probably should have pre-ordered it the day it launched to ensure I'd be one of the first getting shipped out but alas... took me a few days to decide for certain, and now wonder if it would be better to just grab it from a local store.

Staples in Canada apparently saying it will be available in store Jul 23. Hmmmmmmmm.
[Nexus 7 General] raziel73:
I see your problem with no sd card because I'm upset about it as well. However, connecting an Android device via USB and selecting mass storage mode will give you access to the internal sd in the same fashion as pulling a card and putting it into a PC. Transferring files to and from the file system is still a breeze, you just can't expand the size. Last time I looked the iPad still lacked that feature.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
That is my main complaint/problem with my iPad and since I was looking for a smaller, lighter alternative to my iPad, I was looking forward to some of the other advantages Android devices have to offer (expandable storage). I have seen where you can even watch media on an external flash drive after rooting & installing stickmount, and formatting the flash drive to ext3 or ext4. I understand that you first have to transfer a file to internal storage 1st then use the N7 itself to transfer to the external flash drive thru USB-OTG adapter. This is all promising to me and I have just received my USB-OTG adapter so I'll be ready to experiment.
[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
I assume this is because the filesystem is ext3/ext4?

I am willing to bet you can get either an ext3/4 driver or some type of application for windows that can access that filesystem from within windows. I know I've done exactly that years ago with ext2.

Failing something like that, you could alternatively install the free VMWare Player and then install some version of Linux (Ubuntu) which has native support for ext3/4 and can also access your NTFS drives inside Windows which would make it so you wouldn't have to connect your N7 to the computer to transfer the files over to the N7 first.

You could just write them directly on the ext filesystem from plugging the USB stick in your PC.

There are a few Windows ext driver suggestions over here on the Ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1303733
[Nexus 7 General] johninsf:
I am amazed how long this thread is.

Certainly 150pilot has gotten his answer.

Mod: When are threads done?

(No offense 150pilot.)

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I said to close it in post #61!