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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ragingredbull:
I read somewhere that Google makes shed loads of money through their apps and advertising in IOS. Talking BILLIONS. Why would they want to directly sue crapple when they are making that much. Agree with post above but will go further. Google is not interested in hardware revenue and neither software revenue. For them it is all about the advertising/search revenue. I read a write up that said that with the way mobile technology is headed, google needed to create android so that it could be relevant in the mobile search/advertising as that is where the money Is going to be in the next few years. They need to dominate that area now so that they are well placed in the future. Think of how many more people all over the world have a smartphone compared to how many have a pc or laptop. How true when you consider that MS have created a very mobile OS in W8. People are moving towards mobile devices(tablets and phones) and slowly away from PCs and laptops( and will so even more with W8) as they realise that they can be more connected on the go. And who better(in their eyes) placed to deliver those search results and targeted advertising than google.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
Apple is only alive because they cower behind lame patents. Wanting to patent a function over something actually relevant (e.g. patenting slide-to-unlock instead of patenting some innovative material object) will forever confuse me.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but the patent system in the US is plain ****. Allowing Apple to actually get patents on something irrelevant. Why should there be patents on features? A feature is a feature, not an object.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdiable:
Someone always post that Apple doesn't "innovate" yet other than NFC and a quad core cpu (that we all know is gonna be in gonna be in the iphone 5) the 4s has all the same features as my GNex.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Apparently our discussion is disjointed. I was mentioning that Google already applied and I would hope apple wouldnt be awarded a patent they filed after google did if they decided to file.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdiable:
There's billions of dollars on the line, those patents are far from ridiculous. The lack of business knowledge in the thread is scary. Just because you like a companies products doesn't make them pure and just and the company suing them vile and evil. Think for yourself
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Anthonok:
You're right. Damn apple for inventing water damage detection.

Sent from my JellyBelly Gnex
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fortesquieu:
:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bloodydamnhell:
I find USPTO's inability to locate the (plainly obvious to those of us in the field) prior art for many of Apple's patents to be far more scary. Apple's HMD patent, for example, is basically a restatement of what has been done in labs since the 90s.

Similarly, the global search patent has prior art out the wazoo.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 1cewolf:
All the same features? Really? Does it have an indicator LED? How about a back button, menu button, or search button? Can you customize the buttons? Does it come in your choice of form factors and screen sizes? Can you replace the battery? Can you choose between skinned and non-skinned versions when you want to buy an iPhone? Can you choose to buy one that supports SD cards? Does it use industry-standard microUSB cables?

Is iOS open source? Does it come with widgets? Can you change default apps, access alternative app markets, access the file system, or run emulators without jailbreaking? Can you automate it with Tasker? Does it have a notification bar that even compares to Android's? Does it have Google Now pulling up information in the background for you? Can you manage apps from the web like you can with Google Play? Can you return purchases from the App Store?

...

I didn't think so.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] unlvmike:
Couldn't have said it better.

His response, "so what it's an iphone" :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jaycarag:
First of all, this is a nice thread. Here's my two cents in this topic:

I hate to say this but, Apple will never ever die.

Apple is using "patents" as its way to defeat Google. It's not innovating anything. It's just using the "law" to stop Google and Android to gain additional market share. I read somewhere that Steve Jobs said that Apple is not an inventor and innovator. They take existing things and patent them. They will dominate the market with patents. Take a look at how GNex was banned. They used patents. As the OP said, Apple's way of doing business is ugly. It's plain evil.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] segv11:
True. Knuth has the same disdain for software patents as you do.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
I now believe that Google has been holding back for a specific reason.

Google is playing dead, just till apple trusts that it won't sue AND COPIES SOME OF ITS HARDWARE. Then, and only then, can it ban a device all together. No patches, no updates, just lost hardware.

Apple has, time after time chosen to ban a phone rather than settle.

On advertising revenue,

Google's advertising money is set in stone. Apple can't control in-app advertising is something that developers choose. Apple can not threaten developers, it has treated them as badly as it could. Namely by stealing good ideas and adding them to the OS (yeah they buy development, but they mostly steal the work of smaller fish in cydia). Just look at changes from v3.2 and up

Sent from my Banned Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sully6789:
I am copying this post to my phone, and will use it like a weapon whenever the iSheep come baaahhhing about how much better their iPOS is compared to my Skyrocket. I applaud you sir. Bravo. :beer:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Apple is so desperate they're trying to control android with lame patents.

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] earlyberd:
This is why Google is mostly passive in its defense of Android. They've already won the war with advertising in both iOS and Android and make boatloads regardless of the success of Android.

They don't care that Apple is potentially threatening all innovation in the mobile market with their patent trolling. Removing the universal search functionality in Android was a relatively quick fix, and it was millions of dollars cheaper than duking it out with Apple in the courts. The end result is that they get to resume selling the Galaxy Nexus in a week, and they've still had relatively zero negative impact on the usage of their ads.

The real losers here are the hardware manufacturers that Apple is going after. But even then, Apple can't possibly ban every single device that has vaguely similar features and expect that nobody will contest the validity of the patents. Half of the cases get thrown out before anyone has time to blink.

Chill out, all of you. Google knows what they're doing. :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dhollis72:
Apple sues everybody for everything for as long as I can remember. The PC became popular for the same reasons Android is popular. Apple blows!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] benrees21:
**** em. Sorry but they piss me off. I just want them to be sued for something that will **** up iOS.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus running Jellybean and the one and only Trinity kernel.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bleach168:
Apple has already won the most important battle; scaring new competitors away from the industry. Google had to spend billions on Motorola to protect Android. If Amazon or anyone else wants to play, they too will have to spend billions on patents just to be able to sell devices without an injunction. The barrier to entry to the smartphone market is just too high for new arrivals. Meanwhile, old players such as Symbian, RIMM, and WebOs are dead or dying.

Apple will have no reason to innovate with their millions of loyalists ready to buy incremental updates on the same old tired design. And without anyone pushing Google, they'll slow down innovation too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
Great angle and definitely true. It's a counter strategy, towards Google's, where they chose to continue competing with IOS, from a million fronts.

Kinda like a fight were a group is ganging up on a you. You just beat the hell out of on guy, and most others will lose interest. Not to paint google badly, but the example makes more sense (and I have nothing invested in google)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] raziel73:
Love the sig in the guy above's post lol. I hate to say this but I'm beginning to see wp8 as the one to truly challenge Apple, especially with apps being so simple to write for the tablet and the phone. That and M$ has the cash to put down Apple xD
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] raziel73:
On a side note, do you think Apple feels like they got trolled? They spent millions just to get a week ban on sales while Google rolls out a planned update to jelly bean.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
So the iPhone 4s has NFC, 720p screen and led notification? I'm about to buy one :p :)

Sent from my Jelly beaned G-Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
I agree and disagree, your right about scaring new competition and innovation, but if Apple could die out like RIM did if they keep on with the same bland iOS and incremental updates, people will get board and look for something new.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
Why did Google buy Motorola for their huge patent portfolio if its not going to help Google leverage in cases like this? Instead Google removes features in less than a week. I thought this is the reason they bought Motorola, to protect Android?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] raziel73:
But RIM's physical appearance hasn't changed much either. Apple is at least smart enough to come out with a new shell to load their crap onto to make it look new lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
One injunction for iPhone as a whole and Apple is royally ****ed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sully6789:
Most of the patents that Motorola had were FRAND patents, so they would be pretty much useless in a fight with Apple. See Motorola didn't patent every trivial thing like Apple does, so in a head to head battle over patents, Googarola would lose :banghead:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
[RANT MODE ON]

I'm all for the *existence* of a windows alternative

BUT

I assume that you have not owned a wp7 phone. After all the glitz and glam (many stars got paid to back it), it remained a stillborn OS. It lacked BASIC features (see example #F) And was thrown in the dumpster (no more support past 7.8, and no upgradability to 8) before it was big enough to stand on its legs. The same may/should/will stand with wp8. Microsoft is too big to move with the times. Also, they make more money off android sales. It also seems that they like opening stores that can't really sell anything. Except keeping kids busy with the xbox connect *I might also have an issue with the ignorant, script repeating staff too*

_____________________________

Example #F (for no F*ing logic). If you have ANY windows 7 phone (regardless of manufacturer and version status) please try the following:

Go to IE and browse a couple of sites. Next, do anything outside the browser, and go back to it. You can NO LONGER GO BACK IN IE to the sites you had visited before the current one. My $3 Nokia dumbphone can do that. My nokia 6600 from 2003 can too, but nokia lumia 900 can't, neither can any other wp7. This is one of hundreds of structural flaws in the WP program. Just look at the QandA of any wp in XDA

[RANT MODE ON STANDBY]

S f m Galaxy Nexus u xda p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
Over patents, sure, but for every other aspect Google could eat Apple alive.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] earlyberd:
Shame on anyone who thinks that Android needs "protecting". That's precisely the argument that every major rival technology company uses, and it's an absolute cop out that they think gives them a reason to sue the pants off Google. The Nexus 7 tablet isn't even out yet, and already Nokia and other manufacturers throw out these wild claims about patent infringement, as if there's something different about the code or the hardware that makes the 7 much more likely of an infringing device than the last 100 or so Android devices that have been on the market.

Let's be clear: The last time the actual source code was being scrutinized in a lawsuit, the prosecution was Oracle, and they lost the case and Google paid zero in damages. Even when they did find that Google was using copyrighted code, Oracle couldn't prove their damages claims were valid because Google is not in the business of actually selling the hardware or software.

The GPL is the only protection that Android needs to survive. Beefing up your patent portfolio to "protect" something you give out for free is about as nonsensical as installing a lock on the outside of your bathroom door, and then bragging to all of your house guests about how great it is for privacy. Google puts their advertising business first, and their little pet projects like Android, Glass, Google Apps, Gmail, etc. second. Android is just one of many distribution platforms for their ads, and will never be under any real threat of dissolution as long as code remains free and there exists a consumer desire for devices that use the OS.

Every successful lawsuit against Android devices so far has involved the hardware makers and their third party addons for Android. The base code itself is merely a set of freely-distributed ideas, and ideas are bulletproof.

The real reason why Google bought out Motorola is because they wanted open collaboration with a hardware manufacturer to be able to improve the OS. The idea of having separate camps/companies developing hardware and software independently of each other was the reason why Android was so poorly optimized, and why Apple's iOS used to be so much smoother by comparison. It's no coincidence that Google buys a hardware manufacturer and a few months later comes out with a new version of the OS that plays nicer with the hardware.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
There are a couple of small flaws in you argument.

1- the google/Oracle issue is not closed forever, it will be reopened.

2-the infringement in that case is 9 lines of code that are needed to use what oracle distributed for free

3- on the Apple case, the issue is more than ideas, it's straight product (coded OS features). The latest issue was the search bar searched, not the idea of searching (I think a search engine would own that)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MoosDiagramm:
Isn't metasearch just an idea as well? And a rather obvious one, if we consider basic search as known and widely established?

EDIT: What I mean is that if a pharmaceutical company invents a drug for a disease and patents it, other companies can still invent other drugs that fight the same disease, they don't own the idea "cure disease X" and can't stop others from tackling the same problem. Patenting the idea to "search multiple sources" is stupid.

Metasearch is very obvious, if I released some of the homework I did during my computer science studies, I would infringe Apple's patent. Every CS engineer will eventually come up with something like this if he faces this challenge.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
I kinda agree, it's kinda a lawsuit based more on image, than actual product

BUT

they had a lousy excuse that still held up in a patent lawsuit. They had a patent locked down on the universal search BS
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
I think it is hilarious to read all of these posts where people use terms like "idiots" and "sheep" to demean people who use Apple products, as if they are all devoted slaves to the logo, and in the same post glorify Google. Ironic?

They are publicly owned corporations. They don't have personalities, they have boards of directors and shareholders. They don't feel "love," "anger," or "hate," and they aren't "playing possum" or "holding back" to spring some trap on the other company with some secret weapon patent. This isn't a a legal drama on television. These two companies know each other, inside and out, and every patent that Apple or Google holds, the other knows about it. Since they are corporations, who care nothing of my day-to-day existence, and could care less what any of us think, feel, or want, I don't get wrapped up in faux patriotism and salute some marketing logo. Use what you like, as in, the devices that do what you want them to do. That's your choice. The rest of this? It's just mental masturbation and an exercise in angst venting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] welchertc:
While I know that Google still makes a boat load of money from iOS devices using Google services, I don't think that it means Google is so dependent on that where they couldn't kill off Apple. I say this, because if Google eventually decides to take on Apple, and somehow got iPhones banned, yes, they would lose a lot of iOS users creating revenue, but at the same time, people still want smartphones, and will go to something else if the iPhone isn't available. They might take a hit in the short term, but people would still use the iOS devices that they have currently, then go on to something else when they buy their next phone. Yes, people would be enraged at Google for killing the iPhone, but it wouldn't mean the end of Google. All it would take is, like somebody said a few pages back, for Apple to get cocky and copy some hardware feature that would allow Google to drop some major napalm and get the iPhone banned. Google is smart enough to not play around with gambling on software patents, but a hardware patent would give them plenty enough reason to go after Apple. If people can't buy an iPhone, they'll still buy a different smartphone that will still give Google revenue.

That being said, I don't think Apple is dumb enough to make a mistake like copy hardware, but you never know. I also don't think Google needs to kill iOS for Android to continue dominating. Android already has greater market share, and Google is making insane profits still, so who cares if Apple still has the highest market share for a single phone? I'd rather take overall market share on many devices than smaller market share on one device that had the highest single device market share. Also, look at Samsung. They have great profits still and have many devices.

I think that iOS devices will remain extremely popular for some time still, but there is already evidence of Android taking over. Apple will always make insane profits off of their products, but I see the future being much like the history of Mac vs PC. Android is gaining popularity like mad, and will eventually have dominant market share.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
.....Nuff said.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
Yeah, and a quick Google search reveals the same thing for Android. The point? There are idiots everywhere.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
the jobs arm pic is obviously a fake.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] welchertc:
Yes there are fanatics on both sides, but just because they are fanatics doesn't mean they are the same.

iSheep follow blindly for the most part. They praise the iPhone and say it is the best phone ever, though its features pale in comparison to Android. They support and worship a corporation that focuses on patent litigation to stifle competition and calls stolen technology magical and revolutionary. They adore Steve Jobs even though he was a cynical asshole most of his life, and treat him like a God. They buy products with incremental upgrades just for the logo and use it as a status symbol.

Fandroids on the other hand applaud a truly superior and more feature rich operating system. They promote true competition and innovation. They have freedom to do what they want with their devices, and have choice in manufacturer. They buy a phone for features first, then think about the logo second.

You can try and argue that Android copied iOS, but you would be wrong. The iPhone sure as hell wasn't the first smartphone, wasn't the first touchscreen phone, and wasn't the first phone with a GUI based on a grid of app icons.

I'm not saying iPhones suck, they're still great devices for many people, but I find that Android loyalty has much more reason and logic to back it up.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chance Ill:
I totally agree.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
Sheep are sheep. Go look at the forums and some of the moronic questions or actions and then try to sell the "Android users are all enlightened consumers" argument. But hey, if some of you need validation from strangers for your choice because it helps you sleep at night, then sweet dreams. At least you won't need to count sheep.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
I count little green robots jumping over my bed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
We XDA-ians don't count sheep, we count Androids! :cool:

EDIT: Damnit, phatman beat me to it! :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] welchertc:
I never denied the existence of stupid Android users. But there are many of us here that are informed consumers that are loyal to a product based on actual features, not a status symbol and a demigod with a good marketing strategy. I'm talking about the "informed" users on both platforms. And when talking about the "informed", Android users have much more basis for their arguments. I don't seek validation from others, I am passionate about Android because I have done the research and know it is a better platform for me. My point is that you don't see nearly as many passionate iOS users that have legitimate reasons.

So many people buy things based on 30 second commercials. I find that many people here on XDA could care less about those commercials because they do actual research into the features before they buy something, whereas every iPhone user in my life has bought it because Apple told told them it was magical.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
Yes, let's discount all of the professionals who use their phones to make money, did the research, and decided Blackberry or Apple worked best for them. Generalizations regarding the competency, or lack thereof, of Apple users seem to be a hot topic around here, and it just smacks of juvenile posturing or insecurity. I will allow you all to get back to your bashing. Carry on.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] welchertc:
Again, it goes back to the fact that those professionals, if they did the research, would find that Android can do everything an iPhone can and more. Yes, an iPhone gets the job done for many professionals, but that doesn't mean it's the best they could have, even though they seem to think so. You can't really count anybody that is forced to use platform by their job, but if they have choice, Android has more features.

I won't discount blackberry using professionals, as many of their jobs require the beefy security for their job's networks and servers. It would be nice if across has the same level of security though, as blackberry OS is aging poorly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Djabolic:
As long as iPhone widely used by not so smart people and treated like a miracle. I'll be against iPhone. Same as any Apple device. The only device I like from Apple is iPod classic. Not the iPod Touch trash. iPod Classic is their only device worth the money (but still overpriced).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] raziel73:
It all boils down to personal preference, so ceasefire :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kepz:
Well said, but I'll assume that you just got tired from typing the complete list. You only typed a quarter of it lol.