yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC One X] AUXRVIII:
A stance has to be taken by a manufacturer of a product regardless of what it is, this sort of thing is not only restricted to mobile devices. If a company like HTC sets it conditions of use under warranty and consumers challenge them, then the company cops negative publicity regardless of the result, so its alway a no win situation. If you feel HTC are wrong in what they are doing then get a job there and change it or start up your own company and see if you want to risk your intellectual property.
[HTC One X] Ryan J Williams:
I don't think any of us are thrilled with the absence of S-OFF. The thread is about whether or not it's worth taking HTC to court over it, and my answer to that is 'no'. I don't have the money, I don't have the time, and I probably won't stand a chance because as has been pointed out repeatedly now a company is only obligated to provide the features they specified it'd include.

I often buy expensive sound equipment. Sometimes I like to replace parts with custom hardware, but with some equipment this isn't possible due to proprietary parts being used, or things not being feasibly removable. Could I take the manufacturer's to court over this? Well, yes. Would I win? Doubtful. They've provided me exactly what they advertised, the fact I can't do extra tinkering with it isn't their problem. And if I want to do it badly enough I'll probably figure it out (and void my warranty in the process so they don't have to deal with my screw-up).

As you feel so strongly about it, why don't you take the stand and go get a lawsuit rolling? I'm sure you'll get people to sign any petitions or whatever. Unfortunately I doubt many of us have the financial resources to commit to it too. :good:
[HTC One X] xtacee1990:
LOL

For every response suggesting that OP cannot/ should not sue HTC, he has simply come up w an argument rebutting it. I'd like to see he goes ahead and does it and gets any result out of it. Is the outcome desirable for you all? Perhaps yes. But is there a practical mechanism to achieve that goal via litigation? I'd say not. But if OP doesnt trust the opinions offered, why bother posting something on here at all? Overall if you're serious about courts actions you should be talking to a lawyer not asking people's opinions on the internet.
[HTC One X] stuart0001:
I think youd have more success sueing them for charging for build defect repairs just because the phone is unlocked.
[HTC One X] marv_in_lbc:
Actually, I think the best argument for NOT doing it has to do with Sony...

When the PS3 first came out, it had this ability to allow end users to install other operating systems on it. Sony issued a firmware update that disabled that ability. End users took Sony to court and the courts found in Sony's favor.

Updated: court dismissed the case

But my point is I think you'd have a hard time going at them about the bootloader. As someone posted, you'd probably have better luck if you went after them for making a shoddy/defective product...
[HTC One X] tkolev:
S-On amongst other things prevents flashing unsigned radio software. And with radios, "unsigned" means "illegal". There are so much regulations that you must comply with when building a radio that any modified software is most probably violating them.

Good luck challenging a security feature in a court ;).
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
It's not a matter of control. They offered a product with a set of capabilities at a set price with a defined set of features and you bought it based on that. You haven't lost anything legally or experienced any harm; you got everything HTC said you'd be getting.

Because they can.

The device as offered never promoted the ability for users to modify it. Whether through HTCdev or otherwise, the terms of their warranty prohibit modifications.

C)

use other than in accordance with the user manual

, rough handling, exposure to moisture, dampness or extreme thermal or environmental conditions or a rapid change in such conditions, corrosion, oxidation, unauthorized modifications or connections, unauthorized opening or repair, repair by use of unauthorized spare parts, accidents, forces of nature, or other actions beyond the reasonable control of HTC (including but not limited to deficiencies in consumable parts) unless the defect was caused directly by defects in materials or workmanship. This Limited Warranty does not cover physical damage to the surface of the Product including but not limited to cracks or scratches on the LCD screen or camera lens; or

G) the defect was caused by the fact that the Product was used with or connected to an accessory not approved or provided by HTC or used

in other than its intended use

and where it can be shown by HTC that such defect is not the fault of the Product itself.

A better example would be you asking Ford to give you access to their s/w so you could re-program the car's ECM yourself with code you've written. Screw around with the ECM and Ford will void your warranty also.

It's for a judge to decide, not us. Asus, Motorola, HTC, and now even Samsung are voiding the warranties of phones that have been modified from the way the manufacturers deploy and maintain them.

Not at all. I think the road you're going down is a dead end because the EULA you agreed to and anything else you've agreed to subsequently (terms of HTCdev) don't give you a leg to stand on. The "enthusiast community" is estimated at 5% of smartphone owners. 95% of people that buy a smartphone could care less about anything you're discussing. It's hard for X% of 5% to go after a multi-billion dollar company with a fleet of lawyers at their disposal and win. I'm not agreeing with HTC's stance, especially voiding h/w warranty coverage for unrelated s/w events, just commenting on the likelihood of a crusade being able to change it.
[HTC One X] jonshipman:
But you can still modify the OS with an unlocked bootloader. I think the only people who want S-OFF are the people who want to fauld HTC's warranty by changing the text on the hboot menu.
[HTC One X] hopscotchjunkie:
Or who want to flash ROMs without having to use a computer, or restore a backup without having to use a computer, or flash a new splash screen, or dual boot different ROMs, etc...
[HTC One X] berek9999:
Thanks for writing all that - I was about to reply in almost exactly the same vein.

To the OP - be very careful if you decide to pursue your attempt to sue HTC through the small claims court. While the whole point of the small claims procedure is to allow individuals to bring cases without fear of having to pay costs, the judge can award costs if they feel the case is brought in a "frivolous" or "vexatious" manner.

Based on my knowledge of the court system I would say it's almost certain that your case would be regarded as frivolous (for the reasons given above), and if HTC decided to teach you a lesson you could be seriously inconvenienced to put it mildly.
[HTC One X] armyboy11b:
Hey OP I'm down. Lol HTC will bow down to meh lol jk

Anyway I agree with what your saying but its a long shot nowadays... so u doing it or what?!?!?!?!
[HTC One X] AdamLange:
Guys, please be aware that there are two laws we are talking about here.

The EU law and the US law.

For example in EU, the claim that unlocking phone trough HTCDEV.com will make your warranty useless is not valid in EUROPE. They simply CANT invalidate your warranty to hardware when u got your phone unlocked. The same with S-OFF.

I know that in US the law is more on company side instead of end user, but here we are well covered by EU law. :)

Adam
[HTC One X] tkolev:
The question is about HTC providing S-Off, not invalidating the warranty. And if unlicensed software can damage the hardware they can void your warranty.
[HTC One X] E_Goldstein:
you can have S-off its simple you lose your warranty, they made there choice on how they would work this with bootloaders and you chose there product deal with it, it was in the news long enough on how they would deal with locked bootloaders so there is a pretty damn good chance you knew it would be s-on when you got it.
[HTC One X] lawrence750:
unlocking it doesn't give it s-off, as of now, there is no way to s-off a one x. unless you're htc, or that chinese guy who does it
[HTC One X] animaleyes76:
hahahahha +1

:laugh:
[HTC One X] :
1. Small Claims. Small Claims court is there for you to recover a financial LOSS you incurred as a result of another party's action. I challenge the OP to quantify any financial loss as a result of HTC not providing their phones S-OFF.

2. Cause of Action. What Law does the OP feel that HTC have acted outside, and/or what right of the OP has been infringed, by HTC's policy? (Before you say "The right to modify MY phone as I wish", I want you to state where it is documented, IN LAW, that you have that right). For you to be successful in ANY court case, the defendant has to be proven in breach of documented statute, or of tested Case Law... or to be infringing a documented right given by such statute or case law. Produce the statute or case law giving you the inalienable right to modify an electronic device in your posession as you wish, and I might begin to believe you.

3. The OP refers specifically at one point or another to banding together with a large number of other plaintiffs in order to sue HTC. This is called a "Class Action Lawsuit" - and is also possible in the UK... however costs are the responsibility of each party in the case until the panel of Judges says otherwise; and Class Action Suits are NOT POSSIBLE in small claims; they are in The High Court I believe. They cost hundreds of thousands at least to persue.
[HTC One X] animaleyes76:
I think the OP will find that's the equivalent of "Game, set and match"....
[HTC One X] JJEgan:
OP should take them to court easy enough to do via SCC.

jje
[HTC One X] :
I agree - if only for the entertainment value when the Judge refuses to hear the case because no cause of action was found and no loss was incurred for which to claim.
[HTC One X] berek9999:
Have you actually read any of this thread, or are you just as massively uninformed about your rights and the law as the OP?

---------- Post added at 03:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:53 PM ----------

Nicely stated :)
[HTC One X] animaleyes76:
or try Watchdog.....pml
[HTC One X] godutch:
that might change after the siyah r6 debacle, many many people hardbricked (ie fried the mmc onboard) their sgs2
[HTC One X] airchie:
I wasn't aware it was to be used only for financial losses. I thought about the SCC as it limited my risk of being bankrupted by HTC's teams of lawyers.

Isn't the whole point of going to court to bring about a decision in a dispute between two parties. ie, where the two parties disagree about the meaning of a law? We all know that law-makers struggle to keep pace with the ever changing landscape of electronics/internet etc. Isn't the whole point of having a judge/jury rule on a case to help set a precedent where no similar case has been tried before?

I referred to the rest of you being able to bring your own cases against HTC should mine be successful. Not about creating a class-action suit, which I'm sure none of us could begin to afford.

I just figured, with the assistance of people on XDA more knowledgable than myself on the subject, it would be worth a shot?

Its not like it'd cost any of you anything but it seems everyone on here is much happier to be shafted by HTC than to try to send them a message that we're not happy with the current situation.

After all the posts I see from XDA members about how crap it is the HTC are preventing modifications, I thought I might get some more helpful advice instead of insulted?

The bottom line is, I feel HTC have no right to prevent me modifying software on a phone I've bought outright and I wanted to try to do something about it, for myself and everyone else in my position.

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”

― Margaret Mead
[HTC One X] animaleyes76:
Who says anyone on here is "happier to be shafted by HTC"?

The reality is that you "feel" HTC have no right to prevent you modifying software on a phone you've bought, but that doesn't mean that it's legally your right.

The other thing to note is that small claims judgements don't set precedents in law, only crown court/high court i believe.
[HTC One X] :
Well - it is. The whole idea is to allow you to recover a loss.

Well - first of all you have to find a Law on which to base your argument. I can help you out a little here; there isn't one.

Yes - but as AnimalEyes says - not in small claims. In SCC you only settle your individual dispute, and you don't set precedents. Fast Track is the next higher Court and has strict limits on which cases can set precedents.

I referred to the rest of you being able to bring your own cases against HTC should mine be successful. Not about creating a class-action suit, which I'm sure none of us could begin to afford.

You really think that HTC aren't aware how unhappy you are? They have some very good reason I guess for not allowing S-OFF because otherwise they'd allow it.

I have given you advice, and I have not insulted you. My advice I'll condense into one succinct sentence. "If you want to avoid the bollocking of your life from an EXTREMELY unhappy Judge, DROP the whole Court idea - you have NO BASIS for any legal case against HTC."

Then go and find a Law which backs you up in that feeling/belief. In the UK I can be almost certain that there isn't one. They made the product and sold it to you in a particular condition and they may well have pressing reasons, legal and otherwise, for doing so. They are very unlikely to ever discuss those with anyone outside the company. They have every right to lock whatever aspect of the devices they make as they see fit; especially if their reasons for doing so stem from Law.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rubenflush:
Hello Dev's,

I removed the costom rom which was installed on my Nexus S, but let it rooted.

If I install Superuser via Play Store, the application doesn't do anything. I also can't get access.

Do I

need

a costom rom to use Superuser?

Sorry for my bad English.

Thanks in advance!

Rubenflush
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PrinceFX:
You don't need a custom ROM, but you need root access to use super user.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rubenflush:
Ok. Maybe it doens't work because I downloaded if from the Play Store instead of flash it?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SifJar:
You need "su" in "/system/bin" on your phone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rubenflush:
That does not work neither.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ITPython:
Just to clarify, your phone is rooted right?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] petulinka1:
How did you remove the custom ROM?

If you re-flashed your phone, you have to root it again.

Have you tried to root it again?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rubenflush:
I flashed over the original Google rom. Of I root my phone again (via the fastboot method), does it erase all my internal data?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] DaemeonZane:
Rooting should never erase any data, unless you are flashing a pre-rooted ROM on your Nexus. I'm a Samsung Admire user, not Nexus.... but that seems to be a universal thing, there, buddy.

I'm still new, so this is not an active link, but this should answer your questions alot better than I ever could, and you may even be able to find support in your native language, whatever that might be.

androidforums.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus-all-things-root/474570-how-all-things-root-samsung-galaxy-nexus.html
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SifJar:
Actually, on a number of phones you must unlock the bootloader to root the phone, and in some cases, (for security reasons) the phone is wiped when you unlock the bootloader. (I know this warning is given when unlocking an HTC phone's bootloader, although for me nothing was wiped; I don't know what the case is with the Nexus devices)
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★Wifi toggle

★Airplane mode toggle

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★Vibrate-Mute toggle

★Synchronization toggle

★Rotation toggle

★Screen always ON toggle

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[HTC One X] promethieus:
I was wondering, if there is a music player, that connects via bluetooth and is capable of voice commands, to goto next track, repeat, or stop.

Only wondering, as I have the One x and although it is a wonderful bit of kit, I would like to be able to use voice commands to do this as I drive alot for work.
[HTC One X] dansharpy:
Never heard of one with voice commands (id imagine you'd have to press a button on the phone to activate it 'listening' for the command anyway) but because Android has AVRCP, if you connect your phone to your headunit and stream music, you should be able to control it direct from the headunit :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] thepsen:
Hi Every One

I'm On ICS 4.0.4 PSHAsiaRetail and i did update Gapp over cwm. when i restart my phone every time it's always run "Android is upgrading" . how to solve this. Thanks you :o
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Soopafly Incredible:
My old phone did the same thing. I had CWM and gapps side loaded. I just ignored it, didn't seem to hurt anything.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] R3dbeaver:
u got the wrong ROM flashed CWM. i think its corrupted.

our phone should be Android, not Andriod.... :silly:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mathieu2k4:
Mine is doing the same on Rogers ICS

Since the update from gingerbread. And I did not update gapps.

Envoyé depuis mon XT910 avec Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] danifunker:
Anybody try resetting their phones to factory settings? Boot in recovery, then use vol+/vol- and select wipe data.

Sent from my XT894 running ICS
[Motorola Droid RAZR] neotrixy:
I'm on OTA ICS VZW and it does the same thing.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] JRJ323:
Both mine and my wife's were doing the same thing so I did Factory Data Resets on them and now it has stopped. This was in stock ICS on Verizon.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
factory reset via recovery should fix this
[Motorola Droid RAZR] thepsen:
Will try . Thanks
[Motorola Droid RAZR] apteroti:
Issue solved

Yeah it works and the issue seems to be disappeared.

Cheers mate
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Lizard78:
Hello people i have a Gnex using a custom rom JB Jellybean 4.1 JRN84D: Stock Rooted Busybox Deodexed - v2 (6/29/12) everything works GREAT except The playstore can,t go in keeps poping me out sort off and gives me a message saying GOOGLE GAPPS pleas help :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jubakuba:
Not sure if this a confirmed but on the rom you're using or not...

But you're not restoring system data are you?

That's a nono.

You can try:

Settings>Apps>All>Market

Clear data and cache.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nexusman2:
i ve the same rom you have; and i play store works fine for me.

this rom do not need gapps (it's included)

did you make wipe cache/data before installing this ROM ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Lizard78:
did you make wipe cache/data before installing this ROM ? yes i did came from V1 just like it was described..i no that Gapps was included ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Lizard78:
You can try:

Settings>Apps>All>Market

Clear data and cache. hmmmm it works thanks buddy for the moment:laugh:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] syriaheart:
I have a mobile Xperia Arc S

Root has worked successfully

And you install several programs to transfer applications to the memory card but did not move

Programs that I downloaded

App 2 SD Pro

Titanium Backup

force 2 SD

What's the solution?????
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kofilizzy:
How to install apps on sd -sony xperia arc s
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] flipq88:
Right now I'm on Darkside Evolution3 v7 and on my youtube app it is showing my subscriptions, plus any video my subscriptions favorite or rate, any way to take that off? I just want my subscriptions videos to show up on my feed, not everything they favorite and rate

Sent from Flip's SGS2
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] 19fonzy:
When subscribing to a channel you are asked to subscribe to only video uploads or all activity, looks like you chose all activity ;). Not sure if there's a way to change it on the YouTube app. You'll probably have to get on a desktop.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DaveinSoCal:
not that it is relative, but my youtube is showing up in my running apps all the damn time, even when I have not used it that day.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] CB620:
I like the new ICS YouTube. I noticed it when I first launched the app of course coming from GB there are some differences. I like the layout and the swipe effect is real nice too. Mine was somewhat cluttered but after a while you get use to it.

Sent from my SGH-T989
[HTC One X] dexteristheshiz:
Hey guys,

I recently flashed the new Viper ROM on my HOX. Before that, I was using PKMN 5.0 and MMS was working perfectly, but once flashing Viper I had no data or MMS. I input the APN for Virgin Australia and it enabled data, but alas, no MMS as of yet. What can I do?
[Networking] hunab.cu:
Hello XDA!

Haven't been here for a while, and now I pop up with a call for help.

In September I am going to move into the UK for undisclosed period of time (at least four years) to study on a university in Scotland. One of issues that I am facing is the choice of a mobile carrier.

It is (somehow) obvious that since I am posting on XDA, I own a smartphone. I use my phone with moderate intensity (<500 texts, 3h of calls and <1GB of data every month), however I sometimes need to use tethering without having to change data plan or negotiate with the carrier. This will especially come in handy after I finally lay my hands on Nexus 7 in near future.

Also, unless a sufficiently awesome monthly payment offer exists, I would rather go with a prepaid offer - this is the matter of a student budget, which - let's face it - sucks.

I've already had a glance at several comparisons and websites of most carriers (most = Orange, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Three, Virgin), but help from people who actually know the market firsthand will be appreciated!
[Networking] SimonTS:
You might find it worth your time looking at either GiffGaff (I've heard good things about them from many people) for one of their 'Goody Bags', or Three for a SIM-only plan. I am paying £17 a month for mine, but they do a 'SIM 300' plan which gives you 300 minutes, 3000 texts, 1GB of data and it is a 1 month 'rolling contract', so you can cancel it at any time with 30 days notice.
[Networking] Moon2:
+1 for GiffGaff, its the cheapest mobile operator around, but they do not allow tethering unless you get a data goodybag which is meant for tablets and the like. To use their sim, you need either an unlocked phone or one which is locked to O2
[Networking] hunab.cu:
Yeah, Three's data plan's look most promising of all the 'huge name' networks I've seen so far. Thanks!

Wow, I haven't heard of GiffGaff before... the name's cheesy, but their offer - even with the cheapest goodybag - seems awesome. But I am not really sure I want to spend 5 quids a month only to be able to tether every several weeks or so... thanks though!