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[Nexus 7 General] fenturi:
How STUPID. Well The late Steve Jobs said he was ready to use every dime apple had to destroy Google. I guess his legacy lives on.

Seems like dumb thing to be able to patent.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
Yeah er..

I don't think this has anything to do with googre nao, but the default search.

Although you can bet that they'll try to go after that next.
[Nexus 7 General] Brac20:
Personally I expect the ban to lifted on appeal anyway. If it doesn't then this will se t a worrying precedent in the US courts and could open the floodgates to dozens of these petty cases.

From what I understand this change shouldn't effect the functionality of Google Now as the dispute is focused on the Galaxy Nexus product NOT the android system itself.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Some guy on Phandroid suggested everyone should call Apple customer support at the same time and ask why they can't order a Galaxy Nexus. I'm normally against actions like that, but the lack of an Apple twitter to vent frustration on is killing me.
[Nexus 7 General] linkinparkfan007:
I wanna see how this turns out.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
See I believe that should still be there since when wanting to send a text or place a call is not searching its commanding
[Nexus 7 General] Mooem7:
Depends on the context of the command. If you're asking to call or text someone specific, it has to perform a search on your device for that specific person and then display it on the screen (before it actually does anything). This would apparently violate the patent.

Also the thread title is a little off. Google wasn't denied anything since it's Samsung being sued. Regardless, an appeal wasn't denied but the a motion to put a stay on the injunction was. Samsung will still appeal to the federal courts that specifically deal with patent law, I believe.

This patch is a temporary measure for the Galaxy Nexus to get around the ban. My concern is that Apple will still contend that it violates the patent or the court won't recognize the workaround. So I think everything is riding on the appellate courts right now.

At least, for now, the Nexus 7 won't be affected until Asus or Google gets dragged into a lawsuit themselves.
[Nexus 7 General] Jarmezrocks:
Want the latest? Nokia is now attacking!!!

http://www.androidlab.it/nokia-accusa-il-nexus-7-viola-i-nostri-brevetti-21763/

That is an Italian blog, but I am in Australia...I had a rant in English that I am sure they will understand and get as much of a cheer as if I wrote it in Italian lol.
[Nexus 7 General] mojo22:
Nokia just wants google to signup to their license agreement, they not after a ban, that is just pure business....they want money lol.

What I don't understand is why isn't google using their notification system patent against apple?

Its used in the Iphone and Ipad.
[Nexus 7 General] scoobdude:
What they should do is sell the phone with a boot loader only. This would allow people to get their hands on the hardware in the mean time. Then have people d/l the aosp source or a ROM from here. Google bought moto for a reason, let them pull out the big guns and put an end to this that way the consumers do not need to pay 600 bucks for a phone!!!

P.s. a side effect of selling hardware only would hopefully lead to more choices, more .apks instead of integrated software, and more accountability from consumers and app developers

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] _base2:
Thats exactly how frand parents are supposed to be used... I think Samsung can prove that integrated search is something that is pivotal to the market overall, and force apple to license the patent at a fair rate. If Apple doesn't comply, they are actually subject to Sherman anti-trust laws for anti-competitive behavior.
[Nexus 7 General] Jordanooo:
Do they have one?

Also, do they have one for the wifi tethering apple swiftly copied?
[Nexus 7 General] Cel1084:
This is a good thing, though I'm not sure how it will effect the US court battles

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18709232
[Nexus 7 General] xciton:
To the best of my knowledge.......

The ruling only effects Samsung devices, not Asus hardware that the Nexus 7 is built by.

While Apple could seek a new lawsuit for Asus hardware, that's not going to happen overnight. That would be weeks/months of preparation before it would be before a judge that could do anything about it.

Google could of course still modify the Nexus 7 just to be safe, but there is no legal requirement at present to do so.

Nokia just wants a license fee paid. Not an immediate threat at present.
[Nexus 7 General] kattara:
Can somebody sue apple for being idiots? o:)
[Nexus 7 General] TaintedByte:
They indeed do:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20090249247?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

Sent from my Evo 4G LTE
[Nexus 7 General] gbroon:
Apple will likely wait for the final outcome of the Samsung cases. If the legal action is successful they can use the outcome to make future cases faster and cheaper to take through the courts. As things stand if they use these patents in a second case they run the risk of paying for 2 lost cases.

If they are successful they would have confirmed the legal status of the patents and would just need to prove infringement in future cases they use them in.

If they do take Asus to court before this is resolved it would most likely be related to different patents.
[Nexus 7 General] Locklear308:
What? They must be joking, you cannot patent such simple ideas, such as "slide to unlock". That is extremely broad.

Don't they know, we will just re add the functionality after they remove it? They cannot take away a phone/feature that we want.

We will buy it, and we will use it how we please.

:/

Apple needs to suck one.
[Nexus 7 General] alan77ss:
Apple just lost against HTC in the UK on slide to unlock and some other patents.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18709232

But they seem to be winning just about everything else (at least in the US)
[Nexus 7 General] TaintedByte:
The judge said it would have been an "obvious" improvement for the developers to have offered users visual feedback in the form of a "slider" in the way that Apple later used.

He added that the concept of a "slider" was not new since it had already appeared in Microsoft's CE system.

As a result Apple's claim to the innovation was rejected.​

That last line made me crack up. What a boss of a judge. We need more guys like him here in America. Or at least put a judge that understands technology and doesn't want to favor American companies "juts because".
[Nexus 7 General] kanzlerin:
I can't believe they can patent this. Wasn't there a "search via voice command" scene in Man in Black I? What's the next, people patenting the idea of a flying car so only they can build it and nobody else?
[Nexus 7 General] Jordanooo:
Wish google would slam apple in the face with this
[Nexus 7 General] TaintedByte:
The day they do this (if they do it) will be glorious. I honestly don't know how Apple will react to that.
[Nexus 7 General] Hayden18:
I think apple should actually follow its own advice
[Nexus 7 General] rockky:
Fact is Samsung/Google HAVE copied Apple from the get go....least since Iphone1. That has to be admitted.

If your CEO /Development manager of a history changing technology and others copy and capitalize on all your work, I'm not sure you wouldn't take the same measures.

I sure would.

Is what it is...and we have to deal with it.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
The evolution of the modern smartphone is not copying. Apple did something right, everyone else in the tech world emulates it and makes it better. That is how it has worked since a caveman managed to roll a freaking stone down a hill. You shouldn't be able to patent icons on a screen, a rectangle, or slide to unlock. Apple needs to grow the hell up and realize Schmidt going to Google and saying "You know, Apple is doing this really awesome thing with a touchscreen, maybe we should do that?" is not as treacherous as they think.
[Nexus 7 General] NeoteriX:
Pretty sure the iPhone 1 did not have voice search for applications on phone.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
UK judge from Apple's lost suit against HTC:

"He said that an older device - the Neonode N1 - also featured slide to unlock, and that the only difference was a visual slider that moved with the user's finger, which he claimed was "obvious".

I know in America, we have the best courts that money can buy. So why do the Europeans seem so much better at limiting patents to true innovation?
[Nexus 7 General] gbroon:
He did declare one patent for dragged images bouncing back to an original position to be valid but not applicable to the htc devices. I can imagine Apple looking for other devices that they can hammer with this one.
[Nexus 7 General] shuflie:
I was able to start programs and call people using voice commands in 2003/4 on my windows mobile phone, and voice search was in Andriod before it was in iOS. Where does the Apple patent come in?
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Prior art has never stopped Apple from grabbing every patent they can.

Any politician who pushes to ovehaul the patent process get my vote.
[Nexus 7 General] Cel1084:
Well Basically if you have a good lawyer in the US you can patent anything this is especially true with software, but that patent in question here isn't just voice search its Local and Internet voice search combined in one, and there is a very long document describing it and the process. I don't think its valid, but Apple has a large surplus of money and a lot of lawyers.
[Nexus 7 General] dbrickg:
I'm pretty sure apple also has patents on lowercase 'i' prepended to any word, and all white product cases
[Nexus 7 General] edufur:
If I were Google / Samsung, I would just GIVE the phone away at this point. It might bring new users to the market. Not work fighting to keep it "sellable." Market the S3 or something similar.
[Nexus 7 General] CooLoserTech:
What the heck. thats gay. That just made me sad. Apple cant own everything. Apple cant own breathing. Ohhh Google breathed SUE!
[Nexus 7 General] MMcCraryNJ:
As far as I know, this patent suit has NOTHING to do with Google Now or the new voice search actions in JB.

The Galaxy Nexus was pulled because of the Google SEARCH bar up top, because it searched in multiple places at once (contacts, calender, music, apps, and web). There is a patch being made to gimp the search bar on the GNex, which should be released next week as either a standalone patch or implemented for next week's Jellybean rollout (nobody is quite sure yet).

I think Phandroid got it wrong here. How could Apple sway the courts into pulling a product due to a functionality that isn't even publicly released yet?

EDIT: The OP linked to The Verge, which even themselves stated that this has nothing to do with Google Now: "Much of the infringement spat has related to Android's use of a unified search interface, but according to Google the standout feature of Android 4.1 — Google Now — will be safe when 4.1 arrives for the general public. "This just relates to the Galaxy Nexus," the spokesperson told us, "and not a product on the Galaxy Nexus."

OP/thread title should be edited to avoid confusion, panic, and FUD
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
I can't vouch for the credibility of my source, but at least this one says the appeals court over-rode Apple's judge, at least temporarily:

http://nvonews.com/2012/07/07/galax...porarily-samsung-galaxy-s3-next-apple-target/
[Nexus 7 General] Cel1084:
Apples newest patent

It seems to describe what I can do with Google's Chrome browser in Android.
[Nexus 7 General] StealthTH:
Really? Is this a patent that has been granted...good grief...
[Nexus 7 General] Cel1084:
Yep granted July 3, 2012 and they applied for it in January 5, 2007. This is why I hate US software patents, you see nothing there about coding. It just pages of a description of how it works. Seriously its just wrong for programmers, they are getting shafted.

Here is Apple's Search patent that the suit is about too
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
The patent situation is getting so bad, even the United nations is getting involved. They have noticed that patents are being used to enforce monopolies, and not foster innovation.

I personally think companies that use patents this way should be prosecuted under the RICO statutes.
[Nexus 7 General] Cel1084:
Slightly unrelated, but the herbicide company Monsanto did something similar to what Apple is doing after the a US Supreme Court ruling made it legal to patent living organisms. They patented a seed they engineered that was resistant to the there pesticide and require all farmers to burn all seed that the resulting plants create and by new seed the following season, and any Plants that happen to get cross pollinated, as well. This has lead to them destroying whole fields of crops from competitors after calming cross contamination.

This is the direction I see software patents heading, A few big company owning the right to abstract concepts and using that to choke out all the competition. I did a college paper on this very concept.
[Nexus 7 General] Chinpokomon:
The seeds that Monsanto supplied to farmers was genetically modified in a way that the resulting crop is supposed to be sterile, and therefore unable to reproduce... or more accurately, the new crop will bare fruit and seeds, but those seeds will not be able to sprout into a new plant.

The problem was that not all the seeds were sterile in that pollen from the genetically modified strain cross pollinated with an unmodified variety. The new cross strain had the pest resistant properties of the Monsanto strain, but it was no longer sterile at all. This meant that neighboring fields had plants with Monsanto's patented modifications, and as such neighboring farmers could be found infringing on Monsanto's "intellectual property."

I can see both sides of the argument. Monsanto spent lots of time and money researching how they could improve crop yields. They patented the strain to protect their investment. Unfortunately for them, neighboring farms benefited from their research without paying for the improved strains. While I disagree with the decision on principle, I understand why the court decided the way it did.

I see some parallel with the computer industry here, but I don't know that it is quite as insidious. The big difference, is with Monsanto, farmers were found to be infringing, even when they did nothing wrong. With software patents, licensing is an option. Furthermore, with a software patent, the developers should be able to demonstrate prior art or can implement something in a way that is free of infringing intellectual property.

Clearly the patent process should be reviewed and modernized, but I think it is an improvement over what farmers face.
[Nexus 7 General] Vidfreek:
I swear these companies can just go and patent the color orange....how can they patent an idea or how something works, programming can do the same thing in MANY different ways, I can see a patent on a specific set of instructions on how something is done when it comes to software, that way it would take whoever is trying to create something similar quite a while (or not depending) to have something different, yet the same, thats what patents are supposed to do, so people can run around and steal stuff.

Yet these dumb patents that apple gets (and many other companies) dont even go into detail about anything, its like Microsoft patenting the keyboard or a mouse or all the dumb fights over console controllers, software patenting has gotten completely out of control and down right kindergarten in its execution....ugh
[Nexus 7 General] Cel1084:
Don't be silly you can't patent colors, you trademark them. lol

What that means is a company can in fact own a color that no one else in there industry can use it. An example of this it T-mobile who actually made Engadget change one of the there logos for using Magenta in it.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
Yeah, in this case it's more like the farmers recreated the seed easily in the usual course of farming, because the seed was so trivial, the patent describing it so broad.

Damn farmers, should've been searching the 99999999999 pages of patents instead of farming. Could've gotten a license that way.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
In all the press I have seen about the Apple patents, like "slide to unlocK", I have never heard them offer to license. Block imports, yes. License, no.
[Nexus 7 General] 94SupraTT:
Slide to unlock on Neonode N1M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Tj-KS2kfIr0#t=253s

The Neonode came out in 2002.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] wawaweewa:
anyone have the stock camera apk?uckd5 stock would be nice..i replaced mine with hacked one and didnt make a backup so yeah im :eek:

thanks in advance!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnuragB56:
I've had my Note for under a month now. I've been ever so careful with it. My heart skipped a beat when one day, all of a sudden, the screen just went mad!

I scoured the Web but couldn't find any other instance of this but the other day, in another thread, a few people have said that they've experienced the same problems. It's happened to my friends phone as well. I thought both of us were sold defective pieces to be honest but it looks like a global issue.

This is not just a case of screen flicker and screen changing colours on a white background. It goes haywire! Almost like the old television sets with their rainbow effect.

This has happened pre and post ICS; so it's definitely not a software issue. It has to be a hardware defect.

When I tried taking a screen shot of it, it just took a screen shot of the app I was using before the madness began.

It happened again last night. This time, fortunately or unfortunately, the screen stayed that way till I hit the power button. I had enough time to take a photo of it using a friends phone. Check it out :

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] The Lum:
I dont know the reason behind it but my phone has done the same thing twice since i got it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rulinglionadi:
It happens to me in some custom roms...

Its not a problem...

But it does give a heart attack :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] routey:
got this once when i upgraded from gb to ics, goes away when i turn off the screen and turn it back on again.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] shantanubarik:
Same thing happened with me thrice. I think it start after ics upgrade
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] gyurcsok:
Its about some live wallpapers. Same thing happened with me with blue sea lwp after upgraded to ics.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] joost81:
I have this sometimes too, but I don't use live wallpapers so doubt if this has anything to do with it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnuragB56:
+1 I don't use live wallpapers either. Phone's not rooted either. It's probably an issue with the graphics chip. And it seems to be a global issue and not limited to any region as such.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] gyurcsok:
I changed blue sea lwp and the problem dissapeared
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnuragB56:
It's happened on my phone before and after upgrading to ICS. So I doubt that's the issue.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] siageh:
It's also happened to me once,

not more than 24 hours after I bought it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] _Kshitij:
Happened with me also

Thanks you reported.. I was not able to report since the screen got fine in few seconds. Didn't experienced it since..look likes hardware issue to me as well.. I hope samsung pay some attention here..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnuragB56:
I sure hope you're right because the same thing happened to my laptop once. The screen started flickering this way occasionally and it the frequency increased. In the end, I was told that the chip and the screen needed to be changed. Luckily it was still under warranty at that point.

Just hoping the same thing doesn't happen to this AFTER the warranty lapses!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] musashiro:
never experienced this.. i used ICS for 2 days, no sign of this issue back then.. and now im back to GB...

is this what they call pixel salad?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] grgsiocl:
flicker or pixel salad, whataever you name, mostly happens when you end the call or call disconnection...the same happened to me and gone through the logcat and reproduced the same once again..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnuragB56:
So is this then a hardware issue? Something to do with the graphics chip? Can't be a software bug right?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kevintangi:
Dude. I was searching for this.. this happens for me.. OFTEN !! more than 15 times already i think. I think it started like this since having ICS. I had my first week on GB and have no such issue.. probably screen reset or what ?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] roger_lif:
Here too!

With my note it happened a few times.

I am currently running Rocket V7:crying:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] scarlet_sg:
funny i have never experienced this before... i've had my note for almost 3 months now

have upgraded to official ICS then root then went back to GB root..

just wondering for those of you who experienced this sort of pixelation, where did you get your note from?? mine was from the the telco when i renewed my contract and seems to me that it is more likely a defective unit..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnuragB56:
Honestly, I thought my friend and I were sold defective pieces here but as I mentioned earlier, from the kind of response this thread is getting, it's definitely a global issue.

My unit was manufactured in Vietnam. Bought it at a store here in India. It's probably a case of a batch of defective units. Samsung needs to take stock of this. With their over zealous selling spree, it wouldn't surprise me if someone at the quality testing team was made to look the other way. Conspiracy theory maybe but who knows eh?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] k!DDa:
happend to me either like 5 times.

got my note 6months ago. worse than a heart attack :D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] glevitan:
hahaha this is great!! Happened to me twice since I updated to ICS a few months ago. Never happened in GB. Yeah, the first time I almost died, but then when saw that after turning the screen off was ok didn't worry much.

It seems that ICS doesn't come only with the hardbrick kernel...good to know that I am not the only one...and seems to be an ICS issue....:D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Askzra:
i had the same problem 2 days ago..but i found out that my crazy screen is made by some apps from market. In my case, it is Gemini Task Manager. I uninstall that, and thank god, no crazy screen..

So, i dont think your problem is 'Initial' problem. It must be some apps u downloaded..try check..and also check the services also..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Piny12:
Me and my gf had the problem too for a few times.

We bought our devices here in germany. Both running official ICS LPY.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Colingajewski:
My Note did this twice after I upgraded to stock ICS from stock GB. Hasn't happened again for weeks.

Sent from my GT-N7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] abhinav quietly brilliant:
are you on ics and have you updated through ota? i also faced this screen issue.. just flash latest ics through odin and everthing will be sorted out
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] star80:
It happened to me 3 times since I am on ICS.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] matador_kuw:
me 2 since i updated to ics
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MrDSL:
I havent experienced this and have been on just about every custom ics rom there is.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] naimmkassim:
Its happen to me both on GB and ICS!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dunners6:
Exact same here, never had an issue on GB
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jakhan86:
+1. Ive had this quite a few times too. Cant remember this happening before flashing a custom ROm (stunner). ATM im on stock ICS rooted.

It goes away by switching the screen on/off. Hopefully samsung fix this along with the emmc bug. :eek:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] RoyaL:
I have my Note for 3 weeks and it happened twice. I'm on stock ICS LPY.

No big deal for me.