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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] SBA1226:
This really doesn't have anything to do with OP's question.

The One X has extra components inside it, adding to the cost - the high quality camera, the cellular radio, the fact that the components are smaller, etc.

Also, HTC is in a strategy to actually turn a profit on their devices, whereas Google is just making a push for their content. People buy a Nexus 7, and then spend money on Books, Magazines, Shows, Movies, etc. and they recoup some of the money put into making the Nexus.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] SoberGuy:
This.

While Apple continues to fight in the courtroom, Google continues to chase an increasing market share. This time, the focus is, in large part, on a tablet. There's a huge market there, and Google wants in.

Asus has been trying to get into Android, and had mediocre success. Nothing against their products, they just don't have a huge name like Moto, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc. Google's partnering with Asus here is quite strategic, IMO. Asus gets to showcase their work and craftsmanship, while Google gets to ensure a low price. Both cut profits to nothing to increase market share.

Very strategic and bold.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] hello00:
the international one x has a 32gb storage..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BarryH_GEG:
Small costs more. Individual components have to be a lot more exacting to function in such a tight space and that drives costs up. It's also a lot harder to achieve production tollerances on smaller devices which causes more rejects which drive up manufacturing costs. I'd be willing to bet the laminated 312PPI 4.7" display on the One X costs HTC more per unit than the display on the Nexus 7 costs Asus. As an example, the cost of goods (COG) on the G-Tab 7 is $260 while the COG on the i9100 is $310.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
I totally realize there are other factors that go into the cost of the device, such as R+D and marketing, and whatnot. I just feel that if a 7" tablet with the specs that the Nexus 7 has is able to be sold for $250, than something like the One X should be able to go for a lot less than what it is going for. Then again, I really have no clue what how much total cost went into the start to finish construction of the HOX so I could be way off base. Plus I was completely hammered when I posted this last night so I wasn't really thinking about the whole picture lol

Yeah, my bad.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alcoholic:
Google absorbs the 6 figure production cost. Makes no money in sales. HTC is also paying msft around 15$ for each device. They also pay Google a license fee to use their apps such as play store and YouTube talk voice. Android is free but those apps are licensed.

At the end of it HTC is only making around $100 per device. Which isn't that high of a profit margin.

Apple on the other hand makes about $250 which is why I would never buy their product.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] JeepFreak:
Yup. I was gonna point that out.

Billy
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdn:
something's not right when a phone costs $600 and you can find tablets for less than $70. Of course, I'm comparing a top end phone with a crap tablet, but prices are obviously inflated when a piece of hardware that in (very) rough terms is similar costs TEN times as much.

we're the only ones to blame though, if top and mid range phones are this expensive it's because many of us accept to pay that price.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] methodz:
I guess that is why a Ferrari 428 has an MSRP of about $250K and a Ford F150 has an MSRP of about $25K
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ChongoDroid:
The craftsmanship that goes into a Ferrari is vastly different then some robot built American truck. Check out their plant, I think there is a documentary about it being one of the nicest places to work. The paint job part alone is amazing..

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
The Ferrari plant in Maranello its considered in Italy to be a huge honor to work there. Means to the Italian people that you are one of the best in the field you work in. Ferrari engines are mainly why their so expensive. Each engine is cast from sand hand made. Each bolt nut piston is cast from that engine block. No two engines are the same. But because of that you get untammed craftsmanship. Sorry I love Ferrari's lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ChongoDroid:
Yeah! What this guy said lol.. I watched some "how it's made" kinda documentary on it and was blown away at the detail that went into one of these cars

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Are you talking about that show "ultimate factories"? I saw it and honestly all I could think about was "gee, I bet you a robot could do that better". Not impressed by hand made for no reason. Don't get me wrong, some parts of the manufacturing process are definitely improved by a humans touch, but not all.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
A robot could do it better. But because of the human touch the engine is "perfectly balanced" a human can tweak what the robot cannot.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Can program a robot to tweak based on senses a human doesn't even possess. Which they do, like ultrasound and xray.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
Not to turn this into an auto enthusiast thread.. 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia engine its a direct injection 4.5 liter V8. (See photo). Every part of the engine including the tubing washers etc were all built for that engine. There's 23,277.8 miles on this car 2 oil changes. Next one is at 26,000. Haven't had a problem with it anywhere. The timing is still dead on perfect. I'd like to see a robot built car push that out. Don't say Porsche or Lamborghini. Both those cars are built by robots. The amg black by MB built by robots (seen the factory first hand). No robot well not yet can't create an engine where the threads are weighed and balanced. The engine is balanced. Actually if a screw is stripped the engine has to be taken apart cleaned and the screw has to be recast then the engine can't be reasembelled. Its exoensive , yes, but knowing that the engine will out live me makes it worth it.

No not trying to brag theres just an elegance with this engine that robots can't do. The car alone is moving Monet. Just so people know I did buy the car and I am still paying it off.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
You only change the oil every 10k miles?

But anyway, yeah, balancing things is something robots can do extremely well, better than any human. And its not like they didn't use any robots in the production of your car. I've seen the show. They use one robot with a touch sensor (accurate to much less than the width of a human hair) to make sure the dimensions of the frame (or maybe it was the body) aren't off.

Which car is it btw?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
I know the robot you're talking about. I think its the body to the frame. There's also two for the piston arms. And another for the bearings for the crank shaft.

First oil change was at 250. Second was at 5,000. Third at 12,500. When I bought the car it close to 500 miles on it.

Its a 2010 ferrari 458 italia.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
Thank you dkirchik for making me hate my life. First the guitars, now this... I think I'm gonna go drive my 2003 Ford Explorer off a cliff now lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
Hey hey!! No. That's not fair. Now I feel bad. 2003 ford explorer.. hmm. Don't drive that off a cliff. That's actually a really good car. Volvo transmission.

My guitars just the cost in strings about 3-4 grand a year. Refrets with a plex $210 per guitar.. that's another 10 grand a year roughly. Parker's don't need regrets lmao. Kevlar plated frets ;). Not to mention I replaces the tubes every three weeks and I only turn off my amps when I'm not home. PG&E has fined me before.

When the car hits 40k miles. Its gonna be expensive. Every time I see the odometer climb a mile I feel a grey hair grow.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Hey, that's not a bad car. I used to own one. (before it was taken out by an impala)... Did I mention they're safe?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
Damn man, I wish I could afford a guitar collection that cost me 3-4 grand a year just to replace strings haha

My last car was a 95' Bronco, I LOVED it. I ended up having to use it for work because my dip**** boss screwed me over and didn't get me a company vehicle like he promised so my beautiful Bronco was turned into a beat up work truck in 2 years time. Depressing. Next car is either going to be a Dodge Challenger or a Ford SVT Raptor. I haven't decided yet. Probably going to pull the trigger this winter.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
A dodge challanger.. black white racing stripes? I must say Challanger or an SVT Raptor.. that's a hard choice.

I hear in almost perfect pitch. I have to train myself to make it seem perfect but I get close enough. And strings when they start to sound not as bright - the next whole week is just changing strings and a cramped wrist haha.

Have you test driven both cars yet?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
I don't have perfect pitch but being a guitar player and working with home audio for a living I like to think I have decent pitch. I only use a tuner for the low string and tune all the others by ear. It's just easier that way for me. I change my strings every few months or so, I'm pretty lazy about it. Usually a broken E string is what prompts me to do it lol. My guitars all have Floyds and you know how much of a ***** those things are to restring, I'm sure. There's nothing better than hearing a new set of strings for the first time and remembering how good your guitars sound :)

When the Bronco died I rented a Challenger for 2 weeks and it was the happiest 2 weeks of my life. I really want a fast sports car but I have had trucks my whole life and that Raptor to me is the sexiest truck on the road right now. Haven't driven one yet but I did sit behind the wheel of one at the auto show and made engine sounds with my mouth if that counts.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] moneyover:
Well the nexus 7 only has 5.9gb and dosnt takea micro sdcard
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Skizzy034:
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet. If it has I'll change my post but Google will be making their money on their services just like Amazon did.

EDIT: I see someone has posted this already. Sorry.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pumpiron579:
Don't feel bad, I bought a Touch Diamond when they were popular and spent $500 on that
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ptesmoke:
dude the challenger 6.4 hemi is BEAST.

depending whereabouts you live should be your deciding factor. if you barely ses snow get a Challenger :-D. if you live in the north pole like me...get a truck!

test drive the raptor .I did. I cant stand it on the hwy. wanders ALOT. but on a gravel backroad or off road its untouchable.

I live in truck country and i drive a 2012 dodge ram 1500 sport. full load crew cab. best of both worlds...great on the hwy and gravel. and still sporty lookin. its no Ferrari or Svt raptor but.... its got a HEMI jimmy!:-D

and yes.... im also stupidly jealous of that

guitar collection also!

you too? god... i bought 2 of those... lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] SoberGuy:
Back then, I was jealous of you guys. Not only did us Kaiser folks miss out on what seemed to be a great device, I lost my favorite dev to you guys. Man, I hated that damn when he bought it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ChongoDroid:
I'm all hot tamales in my corolla gts :cool:

Sent from my Cleaned up HTC Jelly Bean
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] thepieguy:
These hardware prices, data plan prices, texting prices, 2-year contracts... it's all collusion in the industry and we're too stupid to do anything about it. You can get a pretty decent laptop for $600. I find it extremely hard to believe that it really costs the same amount to manufacture a smartphone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
I find it completely believable. Even if the laptop is somewhat more powerful (probable), I would expect a smart phone to be at least as expensive. Its expensive to make things smaller and more portable to the scale that they fit in a phone. There are some pretty good arguments for why an unsubsidized One should be cheaper, but this isn't one of them.

The Nexus 7 is a tablet. Its a vastly different market from smartphones. Android is absolutely getting killed by Apple in the tablet market. The only tablet so far to make even a small dent in the iPads armor, is the Kindle Fire, due to its much cheaper price point compared to iPads. Google/Asus are following the same model. They are probably right in thinking this is the only way to establish Android as a serious competitor to the Apple in the tablet market. At least as far as the general public is concerned.

Apple (while popular) doesn't have the same degree of market dominance with smartphones. HTC can still price their products higher and still sell plenty of them. Why charge so much? Because they can. With tablets, it just doesn't work. HTC tried selling tablets at higher price points in the form of the Flyer, View, and the Jetstream. Great products, but they just didn't sell. The other Android tablet manufacturers really aren't doing that much better at "iPad-like" pricing.

One of the primary lessons of Econ 101: Charge what the market will bear. Its that simple. HTC can charge what they charge and still sell plenty of phones. Google (and probably every other Android tablet manufacturer, for that matter) needs to price their tablet lower to move them. Otherwise they are going to gather dust in a warehouse.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] thepieguy:
It's actually a pretty good argument if you do some research on manufacturing costs before stating your opinion as fact. Especially if you consider the fact that the smartphone is a conduit for selling additional services at extremely high profit margins. I think the economies of the mobile industry go a little beyond Econ 101.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
I'm pretty sure smart phones supply out weighs the demand. I'm also guessing that the smartphone high price could also be set to encourage one to sign up for a two year contract.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] loneBoat:
iPhone was an "overwhelming giant" for a while before Android ramped up... :-\ Still has a firm market share even now.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] caveman999:
Is anyone else worried about scratching their camera lens when setting the phone down? I applied a skin to the back which helps a little, but it still extends farther than the back of the phone.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] defnow:
So get a case?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] dev xda:
a request to all the devs to modify the stock launchers fom different manufacturers for xperia mini/mini pro and all other xperia devices with ics...:angel:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] micromania:
What prevents the phone from continuing to take more pics after those 3 seconds?

Would it be possible to say... take 40 pics in 6 seconds with a mod, etc?

It is the camera itself?

Limited by the write speeds?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] setspeed:
Pretty sure I read somewhere that the Exynos chip is capable of sustaining burst mode for a much much longer time than 20 shots, but Samsung limited it to that to prevent people from filling up their internal memory/SD card with thousands of similar shots.

As for where in the software this limit is coded, I have no idea. Any devs fancy answering the question? I foresee possibilities of cool stop-animation movies being made with this thing if that limit was removed.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] micromania:
That'swhat i was thinking. Hopefully some dev will work on it.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4fseeker:
You also have to consider the memory usage.

The SSD is (in most cases) not capable of writing that fast so each shot takes up memory. I'm (more or less) sure that's it's in the camera-reserved memory range so there might be an actual limitation. If that can be changed by soft-mods can only be answered by a real dev.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] ppaphyo:
Hello : All

Now I'm facing a big problem in my Neo. Last night i want to do upgrade for my phone in ICS 4.0.4.Before upgrading i used with in CWM mode with format cache,format system & format data i done.after formating those, when i used with Flashtool for upgrading my phone, Flashtool cannot flash and and install any rom.

In Flashtool appear "Flashing Error".

But my neo can use and boot with fastboot mode, flash kernel but i can't put or install any rom with 2.3.4 (4.0.2.A 62 or 4.0.4 ICS).

i would like to ask it's depend on when i format with system,cache and data??

Now i can't use my Neo with that problem and please give me idea with what can i fix that problem and what i need to do.

Best Regards,

ppaphyo
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] sujeesh.p7:
Are you on locked bootloader?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Madfysh:
Post the log from flashtool, when you try to flash your phone.

And edit your subject, since it's not general problem in neo, but in your neo.

Also, from rules
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] ppaphyo:
Already Fixed

Hello

Thanks for who reply in my thread. Now i already fix this error and this error is Flashtool Software problem and missing driver of SEMC Driver.After i installed Flashtool and installed phone driver from in flashtool Driver folder, upgrading process r all complete.

Now i'm using ICS 4.0.4 Official version but many error in most of the applications r not working. Now i'm facing in Contact, when i edit in contact with what i want to use ringtone in person, that ringtone cannot work.Change in ringtone what i set but when that person call my phone, ringtone is not work.Working in Default Ringtone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edboston:
Trying to get the RUU to install and not having any luck. I have relocked the bootloader and start the RUU but either it reports and error after erasing the user data or it says it is sending, but there is never any progress. I have let it run for over 30 minutes with no luck. I have tried unlocking and relocking the bootloader with no luck. In fact, now it is always reporting an error and I haven't been able to get it to get to the sending screen.

I originally unlocked/rooted using RegawMOD script. I followed all the instructions and videos on reinstalling the RUU I could find. The RUU I have matches the version number on the phone so I'm guessing I have the correct RUU.

Anyone have any suggestions short of having an "accident" and getting an insurance replacement?

EDIT: I have found that by unlocking the phone again, I can get the phone to boot back up so all is not lost. I am restoring a backup so until I can get this fixed, the phone is still usable.

EDIT 2: Was finally able to get the RUU to run. Not sure what change allowed it to work but I ran it on a different computer that did not have the HTC drivers on already and ran the RUU file from the same directory where the fastboot.exe was located. I seemed to remember reading about someone else having success running RUU from the fastboot location so my guess would be that was the trick.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Cuppeerr:
Drop it off a building.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edboston:
I asked for solutions other than an "accident". :rolleyes:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Cuppeerr:
Oops misread
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hawkman610:
A friend of mine has the EVO 4G. I rooted it for him last fall. I was trying to help him/teach him do stuff on his own and install a custom ROM the other day when we realized he didn't have a recovery on his phone any longer, or at least not able to access it, the screen went to a picture of a cell phone with a red triangle with an explanation point in the middle of it. When I rooted it, I installed Amon_ra and know for a fact it was there. We couldn't get to it from the h-boot menu or from ROM-Manager. I even tried to have ROM Manager go ahead and flash Clockwork-mod, but it said it couldn't get permission and the superuser permission never prompted like it should have. Wireless tether has also stopped working and it never prompted for a superuser request either. After talking about it, a few days ago we think he may have downloaded the Sprint update his phone has been prompting him for. He said he pulled his notification bar down to clear a notification out and a while later his phone suddenly rebooted and his phone hadn't prompted him since.

Booting his phone into H-Boot his phone still shows S-Off. It is showing h-boot version 6.16.1002 and radio version 2.15.00.0808

I'm not sure on the h-boot version, but I'm fairly certain the radio version is still an older version. So if I had to guess, the Sprint update didn't actually take, but for some reason it did something to knock out the recovery.

Anyone have any ideas? We'd like to get it to where we can get the radio's updated and then install a custom ROM such as Energy. Then get his wireless tether back going. One thing I have not tried is installing the recovery via the h-boot menu. At this point, I have been out of an Original EVO for about a year, so I thought I had better ask before I do too much.

I've spent the past couple days searching, so either I'm not entering the right key words or no one else has had this happen. I'm very good at hitting the thanks button for good answers! :good:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SASQUATCH:
If u accepted the update u will loose root. Just re-root
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hawkman610:
But it is still showing S-Off???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SASQUATCH:
Try flashing recovery
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Notorious:
Having s-off does not mean you have root access. All you have to do is reflash the recovery through hboot and flash the super user.zip located at Androidsu.com under super user tab.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
Correct; alternatively, just install su from the market, then install busybox.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
If they are on stock ota installing su from market may not work, reflash recovery thru hboot, then install su and su-bin thru recovery. Its easier and guaranteed to work ;)

We are legion, for we are many.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
Well yes, it is true, and that's the recommended route, but, all cards on the table here. :eek:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
He said he wanted recovery to flash roms anyway, so might as well kill 2 birds with one stone, and just get su with 100% success on the first try instead of fighting with su from the market, personally I use super su pro and the su elite so I can unroot with a check box for some of tge sstupid no root allowed apps

We are legion, for we are many.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hawkman610:
Reflashed Amon_ra through boatloader and then flashed superuser again as well. Seems to have fixed it. -Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
Make sure to flash the matching su-bin.zip from androidsu.com too should use su-efghi and su-bin-efghi that way your binary is up to date so you don't get errors on updated apps

We are legion, for we are many.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] samsgun357:
(Solved) I have hbo go installed have used a few times. Tried to launch it and it says not supported. Any ideas?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] samsgun357:
It will not let me keep allow from unknown sources in hidden ntsettings. I check it leave the app go back and its unchecked....help

Sent from a galaxy far far away......