yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
That file isn't stock. You or a root app modified or deleted it.
[Nexus 7 General] milski65:
Have a 2012 nexus 7. Still running kk. Can someone direct me as to what I can freeze to get rid of 502 update and notification? No interest in it. Just an annoyance. Thanks for any help.
[Nexus 7 General] urbanman2004:
Even though I updated to 5.0.2, SuperSU keeps causing my system to crash, requiring a hard reboot. I tried flashing versions 2.44 Beta and 2.45 via TWRP (auto-update and manually), I tried fastbooting CF-Auto Root to flash SuperSU, and I tried installing SuperSU through the Play Store. My system constantly freezes after 5 minutes of use so I have been forced to uninstall it in order to make my system stable. Any advice on a viable method to root my N7 would be greatly appreciated.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Hi everyone -

The Lollipop 5.0.2/LRX22G OTA is rolling out for the N7 3G. If anyone gets it, please post the link here!

Thanks
[Nexus 7 General] coolestboyz:
If ur device is rooted just flash CM12 Based on Lollipop 5.0.2 and flash SU zip. I m using cyanogemod 12 with rooted. :)

Titanium backup also working fine, but XPOSED not working.

sent from XOLO Q800 using TapaTalk2
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
This thread specifically deals with the stock ROM.
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
i am searching ...
[Nexus 7 General] EthanFirst:
nakasig-LRX22G-from-KTU84P
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
Very good and many thnaks

paolo
[Nexus 7 General] macio76:
Something is broken in this package. On my Nexus 7 is verification error.

It's error number 7 something with Maps.apk.
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
It could be not a broken package ...

When i tried to use OTA with my N4 several weeks ago i had issues ...

I think that OTA of LL have several news ...

If you can i suggest to flash factory with all wipes
[Nexus 7 General] lotte67890:
Same with me, after that OTA dissapeared so I downloaded full package from here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images and did a clean install which ended first in a boot crash and then after 15 min. within boot animation started fine. Only issue now is that when first using it today in the morning for half an hour the battery drained 20% :(

On my HTC ONE running GPE Edition 5.0.1 battery life is amazing!

L
[Nexus 7 General] macio76:
Thank You, I will flash a factory image.
[Nexus 7 General] RusherDude:
It's 5.1 hunt time! Please if you get the notification, grab the link from the file on /cache and post it here, thank you!!!

Factory images 5.1 for nakasi up!

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[Nexus 7 General] w00dsy:
i haven't been able to run Lollipop on my N7 because it was just too laggy, so i reverted back to Kit Kat. So i was keen to try 5.1 and i must say so far so good. :good:
[Nexus 7 General] microMXL:
god damn, and I just yesterday installed slimkat
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
Is it up only for nakasi???..my n7 is on 5.0.2 but I'm looking forward to update my nexus 6 and 5 to 5.1..facing a lot of issues using stock Android on them.

sent from my Nexus 6

---------- Post added at 09:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:28 PM ----------

Seems like the 5.1 factory image is rolled out also for hammer head, nexus 5...any idea when it's gonna hit nexus 6 'shamu'

sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 7 General] *Zapp*:
When, approximately, is it likely that we see a OTA link for 5.1 here?
[Nexus 7 General] fozzie:
About 5 mins after the URL is discovered.
[Nexus 7 General] *Zapp*:
Great, perfekt answer, just what I was looking for, thanks. [emoji106]

Is there a track record from previous releases on how long it will take to find the URL from that the images where released?
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-nakasi-LMY47D-from-LRX22G.9f163586.zip

First post has been updated.
[Nexus 7 General] fozzie:
Typically 6-12 hours from when people start receiving the update.
[Nexus 7 General] desaturated:
why I get error (STATUS 7)

upgrading from LRX22G.

e: Error in /sideload/package.zip

help me
[Nexus 7 General] GtrCraft:
Or you are not completely stock or you have a bad download
[Nexus 7 General] desaturated:
oh no...

I must reflashed from begining... I have downloaded 3 times. still stuck.. :(
[Nexus 7 General] *Zapp*:
Hmm.

To me it looks like you have renamed the package. I'm not sure but the first part of the filename is a checksum and might be used when sideloading to verify the package.

Don't rename the package zip file and try again.

/Jonas...
[Nexus 7 General] GtrCraft:
Just flash the system.img and boot.img from the LXR22G factory image if your bootloader is unlocked
[Nexus 7 General] desaturated:
I renamed the filename to original. 9f163586073265c54d86679efd63513a4477cfd8.signed-nakasi-LMY47D-from-LRX22G.9f163586.zip

still the same.
[Nexus 7 General] *Zapp*:
To bad. I'm out of clues. Sorry
[Nexus 7 General] EthanFirst:
Your device is rooted?
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
I think there won't be a problem with renaming the package

---------- Post added at 07:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:59 PM ----------

I have this same problem with my Nexus 7 too... I tried downloading the package 2 times but the outcome is still same... Trying to upgrade from 5.0.2 to 5.1 lollipop stock
[Nexus 7 General] dexviajiboy:
try use another browser to download or download manager,

-eg. if you want sideload on windows pc and used droid loader dm, change user agent suite to you pc..

(wthout renaming) OTA link on OP just fine for me..

sideload from 5.0.2 to 5.1
[Nexus 7 General] ThePhoneGeek:
fastboot flash system system.img

fastboot flash boot boot.img

Correct?
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
Yeah you should definitely try that..... Once I downloaded a factory image with uc browser and I had issues for flashing it.

But it worked fine when I downloaded the same thing thing using IDM.
[Nexus 7 General] kpham:
Hi all, i'm using an N7 nakasig (Mobile version) running 5.0.2, and yesterday i got an ota notification for 5.1 but coz i rooted before, the update was not successful. I tried to make a search in the internet for the sideload download link but strangely, there is no image uploaded for nakasig over there.

Now i already did a full clean install on 5.0.2, unrooted, and tried to push "Check for update" many times, but no ota ever happened again. How can i get it back? Anyone knows it, pls let me know. Many thanks!
[Nexus 7 General] jimchee:
Use wugs Nexus root toolkit for your upgrade, from my experience it is the easiest way, I would just do unroot and return to stock, it will download everything and then you can reroot, are a backup first and you can restore your apps after completion.
[Nexus 7 General] kpham:
ya, i did unroot and returned to stock but the problem now is i got no ota updates again :( and no download link for nakasig yet :(
[Nexus 7 General] jarvis0021:
This happened to me before but after I downloaded it again using Mozilla

...it worked

Sent from my HTC One m8
[Nexus 7 General] papars:
I need bit of help to upgrade to LMY47D from LRX22G.

My problem is that I have a unit with a non functional USB port. It charges, but it's not connecting to a PC. Nothing happens when I connect to the PC. Yes, I tested other cable and yes I tested other PCs. Same result - there is no reaction either from the tablet or from the PC. Same thing in bootloader and in recovery mode. Usb socket is OK, tablet also charges OK.

Tablet is rooted and TWRP is loaded, but when I try to flash signed-nakasi-LMY47D-from-LRX22G.9f163586.zip from the first post in TWRP it fails.

Something about update-binary not being able to run.

Auto system update also fails.

Since USB is not working I have no easy (fast) way to backup the device thus I would prefer an update method that will not be destructive on my data.
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
Let try:

Flash recovery stock

Unroot

Retry to flash ota

It fails ... I think you have to flash factory using a modified file flash-all.bat in order to avoid the wipe data

Inviato da Lumia 925
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
My nexus 7 2012 was also not getting connected to any of my 3 laptops...it simply just charges. One day I tried connecting it on my friend's laptop and it worked. Not sure what happened though

---------- Post added at 08:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:43 AM ----------

Maybe you should wait for an OTA update....I got one for my n7 2012 like two weeks ago
[Nexus 7 General] papars:
Any guide on how to flash stock recovery without using USB?
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
I'm working on that and this is where I got....since you have otg capabilities in your nexus 7 copy the image files to your device with it and then install using cm recovery

---------- Post added at 07:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:33 AM ----------

.....or you could just wait for the over the air update, I got it like one week ago
[Nexus 7 General] kpham:
hello, anyone got OTA updates for N7 2012 mobile version?
[Nexus 7 General] sameershamim:
Nexus 7 2012 Wifi

Hello guys I have Nexus 7 2012 Wifi edition. Check the attached screenshot and guide me which link to download from first post as there are alot of builds:
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
I once opened my n7 two days ago and now my screen is not working
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
LRX22G from KTU84P http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-nakasi-LRX22G-from-KTU84P.9f3b3249.zip

and after

LMY47D from LRX22G http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-nakasi-LMY47D-from-LRX22G.9f163586.zip

---------- Post added at 06:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:40 PM ----------

device in fastboot mode and connected to PC with USB

Donwload this .zip file

http://1drv.ms/1wqKpup

Unzip it ; double click on

py_cmd.exe

Let write:

fastboot devices

If you receive as response a serial ... give me feedback and we can continue to update factory and if you want edit the flash-all,bat file in order to avoid the wipe normally required

---------- Post added at 06:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 PM ----------

i can only suggest to reopen and to verify all the steps
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
Yes I did that....now whenever i switch it in...the screen shows touches automatically and simply starts to automatically touch and open random apps and stuff. In don't wanna describe what happens when I try to type in it
[Nexus 7 General] sameershamim:
Nexus 7 2012 (Wifi)

Which one to choose?

LRX22G from KTU84P

OR

LMY47D from LRX22G

I am confused.
[Nexus 7 General] EthanFirst:
Your device use Custom ROM. Can't direct update from Google.
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
LMY47D...it has lot more bug fixes
[Nexus 7 General] sameershamim:
Nexus 7 2012 wifi

I don't have to update directly via google as i can just flash the rom but i wanted to know to which build exactly from first post.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
2012 Nexus 7 3G OTA to 5.1 is rolling out shortly. If anyone gets the update, please grab the filename before you apply the update! Y'all know the drill by now!
[Nexus 7 General] milski65:
Factory image available at Google Developers. Would link but can't at the moment.
[Nexus 7 General] Winesnob:
Looking for the OTA link. We know where the factory image is located.
[Nexus 7 General] jmfxda:
Nexus7 2012 mobile 5.1

android.clients.google.com

/packages/ota/google_nakasig/b29343be150c287b946a74ef76d0ca5930717994.signed-nakasig-LMY47D-from-LRX22G.b29343be.zip
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Thank you! First post updated!
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
Many thanks

SOmebody has tested OTA zip with recovery custom and root and rom custom ?? have i chance in this condition or not ?
[Nexus 7 General] pieceofphil:
None of the links work for me nor on your own website, I´m interested in the OTA of the nakasig 5.1
[Nexus 7 General] VivaErBetis:
Try the wiki links, but may be the same you already tried:

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/ASUS_Nexus_7/ME370T
[Nexus 7 General] vadim_se:
I have rooted nexus 7 2013 GSM with Android 5.0.2... Received OTA upgrade for 5.1. Received error (without any specific info) during installation and had to reboot to cancel the upgrade. It is working fine now under 5.0.2, but still have notifications of a new version. Any ideas?
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
You or a root app you use modified one or more files on the system partition in some way. Your best bet is to just flash the factory images and re-root.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
The Android 5.1.1 OTA is rolling out for WiFi. If anyone gets the update, please post the filename here!
[Nexus 7 General] dvrass:
Nexus 7 WiFi (2012) Android 5.1.1 OTA (from LMY47D to LMY47V):

android.clients.google.com/packages/ota/google_nakasi/4a2b1e7091ed1c5588d61bfb635ae30c4846469a.signed-nakasi-LMY47V-from-LMY47D.4a2b1e70.zip
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Thanks! First post updated,
[Nexus 7 General] dark0shark:
Also 5.1.1 OTA for Nexus 7 (2013) WiFi, see http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...gs-android-5-1-ota-roundup-for-nexus-devices/
[Nexus 7 General] VivaErBetis:
LMY47V 5.1.1 Nakasig (N7 Mobile) Factory Image is now up at Google's site. But no OTA, for now...
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
If anyone gets the OTA, please capture the URL before updating!
[Nexus 7 General] ThePhoneGeek:
Please forgive the question as I don't play frequently in this sandbox and I haven't seen it asked or answered in the last 10-15 pages. I am updating the kid's 2012 WiFi version which is rooted with twrp. I know that I can't take the standard OTA and run it normal but is there a way to update without losing the data? Not worried about re-rooting as I am fine to do that but just want to insure I don't lose all the games and junk on her tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] EthanFirst:
nakasig-LMY47V-from-LMY47D
[Nexus 7 General] danman132x:
Can I update straight from JWR66V to the latest without going through all the incremental updates?
[Nexus 7 General] paolocorpo:
Are you speaking using ota or factory ?

Inviato dal mio LUMIA 925
[Nexus 7 General] lambofgod13:
Im looking for a stock rooted 5.1.1 rom, grouper 2013 wifi only. can someone point me in the direction. I've been looking but can't find one. Thank you. Sorry for the dumb question.
[Nexus 7 General] Drake008:
Do you know when the official 6.0 rom will be released?
[Nexus 7 General] mrbtree98:
Its not going to be released as the 2012 nexus range have all had update support discontinued
[Nexus 7 General] Drake008:
How can I go back to 4.4.4 from Cyanogenmod 12.1. Which file do I need from here?
[Nexus 7 General] Winesnob:
You need a factory image, not an OTA.
[Nexus 7 General] spdevs:
you need to go to the Google dev website and then download the official factory images and then flash it to your device
[Nexus 7 General] osm0sis:
No you should basically never relock if you plan on using custom anything.
[Nexus 7 General] osm0sis:
Little update. I posted my working solution for relocking and unlocking the bootloader (with no data loss) in the form of a flashable zip how-to:

[TOOL][HOW-TO] [N7] [grouper+tilapia] BootUnlocker Script [Flashable Zip]

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2068207

Perfect for those who want the added security of the locked bootloader, but want the ability to unlock it to use fastboot flash when they wish without losing data in the process.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Awesome sauce!
[Nexus 7 General] xateeq:
Thanks :D
[Nexus 7 General] kbstcp0803:
WOW

Nice Working. :D
[Nexus 7 General] TheByteSmasher:
Anyone heard any "real" rumors of Android update 4.2.2?
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Something tells me Google is going to cool the jets a bit and go back to the 2.5 - 3 month update cycle so don't expect to see anything about 4.2.2 until late next month at the earliest.
[Nexus 7 General] osm0sis:
Yup, that's about right. :) Franco said that in a meeting with Google his company was told "Late Jan" to "Late Feb" is the rough timeline for 4.2.2, that it fixes the SODs on stock kernel, and hopefully a lot of the other stupid mistakes/regressions Google made with 4.2.x.
[Nexus 7 General] Jump1ng:
Rumour is that the Nexus 4 is now shipping with 4.2.2 so I guess it might be released a little bit sooner rather than later :)
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Yeah, build JDP66 has been showing up in logs lately. I guess we'll see! As soon as someone gets an OTA link, it'll be posted here.
[Nexus 7 General] xdatastic:
Some URLs

Just been loading some old images and captured these URLs. Thought I might as well post them here in case they are useful for anyone as i dont think these particular ones have been posted before. The first one jumps from earliest (i think) Jelly Bean to the latest.

4.1\JRN84D to 4.2,1\JOP40D

http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-nakasi-JOP40D-from-JRN84D.0d660f91.zip

4.1.2\JZO54K to 4.2,1\JOP40D

http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-nakasi-JOP40D-from-JZO54K.c01f18e0.zip
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Thank you! I'll add these to the first post and to randomphantasmagoria.com tonight when I can get in front of my laptop.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
The first post has been updated. Randomphantasmagoria update coming soon. Thanks again!
[Nexus 7 General] Omar04:
4.2.2 has been released, OTA is live please someone grab the link if you get a hit. Thanks.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
OK people, it definitely appears to be rolling out. I need nakasi and nakasig links please! I'll update the first post and randomphantasmagoria.com once someone provides links. :)
[Nexus 7 General] osm0sis:
I'm stunned that the guys at Android Police scramble to take screenshots but apparently can't frigging aLogcat the URL.
[Nexus 7 General] igerup:
Very nice of you to provide mirrors of the stock OTA updates. Thanks a lot.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Right?!
[Nexus 7 General] ALD3:
:confused:
[Nexus 7 General] osm0sis:
Did you follow your own link?

We're waiting for 4.2

.2

Thanks for trying to help though. :)
[Nexus 7 General] puffel86:
We are waiting for 4.2.2 not 4.2 :confused:
[Nexus 7 General] ALD3:
Me too, sorry must not be awake yet. Slow this morning
[Nexus 7 General] Omar04:
Here it is finally OTA link for nexus 7 wifi nakasi

Android 4.2.2 OTA Link

http://android.clients.google.com/p....signed-nakasi-JDQ39-from-JOP40D.6ece895e.zip
[Nexus 7 General] RotoRooter:
Good job. Thanks!
[Nexus 7 General] Omar04:
took me 12 hours stalking check now and clearing Google Framework services. with adb ready on PC to pull logcat. LOL
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
THANK YOU!!!! First post updated and I'm mirroring it on randomphantasmagoria.com as I speak. Anyone with a 3G Nexus 7 get the nakasig update yet?
[Nexus 7 General] igerup:
Yay, finally. Great news.
[Nexus 7 General] The Gingerbread Man:
Am pleased i got it on both my gnex and n7 thanks for this thread
[Nexus 7 General] jhigh:
Thank you very much :)
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Looks like the N7 nakasi update comes with a new bootloader (version 4.18). If any of you with a 3G variant get the nakasig update, please verify that your bootloader also gets updated to 4.18. :)
[Nexus 7 General] rsb007:
Nasaki Wifi is another device then Grouper or its the same?
[Nexus 7 General] cortexA9:
Thanksssss
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
The WiFi-only variant has a device name of "Grouper" and runs the "nakasi" firmware. The 3G variant has a device name of "Tilapia" and runs the "nakasig" firmware. So each time there's an OTA update, there's a nakasi update for Grouper and a nakasig update for Tilapia. We have the Grouper/nakasi update as of a few minutes ago, so now we need someone with a Tilapia 3G variant to get the nakasig update. :)
[Nexus 7 General] rsb007:
Thanks a lot for your explanation!
[Nexus 7 General] Omar04:
Current Firmware still say 4.2.1 in OP. :)
[Nexus 7 General] cortexA9:
I have flashed this new firmware but doesn't work..
[Nexus 7 General] Omar04:
Current Firmware in OP [Original Post]/[Main Post] reads 4.2.1 instead of 4.2.2 is what I meant. :D
[Nexus 7 General] cortexA9:
Oh ok sorry wrong reply :)
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Whoops. Sorry. Fixed. :)
[Nexus 7 General] svettipung:
Do i just flash in recovery or what?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gpo1956:
Is there ANY way to use the Sense contacts widget with an aftermarket launcher?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kilo89:
AFAIK it's not possible to use any Sense widgets with other launchers.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SAL9000:
I've been looking for a AT&T 1.77.36p radio since flashing to jokersax's CM9 port and having the 1.77.37P radio have drastically reduced cell service. I've narrowed it doen to the radio, so if anyone can link me it'd be appreciated, as all other links I've found are dead.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] epinter:
http://atrixbrasil.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1334
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jay_Bee:
^Need to register to download and I dont speak brazilian!

:P
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaelanT:
http://db.tt/CdmpkAny
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Soldier-2Point0:
This http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php...VS- 36p Radio ## (Links refreshed 07/02/2012)

MB860, CM7.2.0, Faux 026b1 1Ghz
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Miniloaf:
Hello I am new to this site and new to android in general. First, some info on my phone.

_ Unlocked bootloader

-Rooted

-ICS 4.0.3

-32gb SanDisk Micro SDHC card with 2 primary partitions

I am having trouble moving anything to my SD card via the phone. When I go to the app menu and try to move an app I only get the option to "Move to Phone Storage." I have searched on google and everyone just makes mention to use a program like link2sd. I've tried using that, and even after creating symbiotic link the apps still only move to phone storage. The program says they are on SD card, but my SD card data usage says otherwise.

My phone does acknowledge the presence of an SD card in the Settings > Storage menu. I am unable to view the contents of the SD card on any of the file explorers either, when I click the SD card all I see are the contents of phone storage. I am able to view and open contents of the SD card by using root explorer under the sdcard2 directory. If I transfer music and photos to the SD card from my PC I can access them with the appropriate widgets on my phone.

So to simplify my post: Is there any way to move an app to the SD card with this device / ICS? The actual external SD card, not the internal phone storage.

Thank you.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rignfool:
I'm not 100% but... In wcx recovery... I think there is an option to switch internal/external storage...

Maybe someone has tried it?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Mjones307:
I actually moved an app to ext.sd using root explorer it basically just copied it.the app I moved was app monster when I used the app it showed internal .when I selected scan sdcard it brought up everything from internal and external .

HTC vivid
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dusty2422:
Titanium Backup does this really well. You can do a batch operation to move all user apps to external SD.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Danny 0311:
Doesn't Astro File Manager do basically the same thing?:confused:
[General Questions and Answers] betongeehn:
I am currently using the ARHD rom for HTC Desire HD and therefore cannot connect to HTC Hub and download the "Fake call" widget myself. Would someone grab it for me? :angel:

Thanks in advance!!

EDIT: Also, how the hell do I delete/move this thread its proper section?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] red34kor:
I want port provision, miui.....

but there is no AOKP or AOSP...

Ah.... there is one AOKP whose version is Alpha 0...

no sms no call etc.....

OMG

when will AOKP or AOSP be able to release normally??

I can't wait...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sminki:
we need the ICS source code from SONY. a few more weeks yet..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I might release it with Sony's kernel. It's freaking ugly, but it kind of works. I'll wait for the kernel source to call it stable, but I can make something that boots and mostly even works if you want it that much.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] red34kor:
If you can, please help us!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Ok, I'll see how it works and maybe upload.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] red34kor:
thank you very much!!! :good:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nihattt:
when it will be stable,useable?