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[General Topics] xaccers:
You need to understand what has actually taken place.

Neither Apple nor Microsoft entered into a FRAND agreement when they started infringing on Motorola's patents.

Therefore they were outside FRAND, which is why Motorola, when it comes to payment for use so far do not have to adhere to FRAND requirements.

You appear to be under the impression that as the patent is normally under FRAND, if a company uses it without paying then gets caught, they should only have to pay out what they would if they had originally played by the rules and entered into a FRAND agreement (someone stealing your car, then returning it a year later, no harm done lets call it even stevens).

Lets look at a civil matter then if you're losing the argument so feign analogy pedantry; someone gets on a train from A to C at station B which is along the way. He doesn't buy a ticket, but within minutes is caught. It's a civil matter (travelling without a ticket), but the conductor charges him not for the ticket from B to C, but from A to C. Is the conductor abusing the ticket pricing system? No. The fare dodger failed to enter into a contract to be taken from B to C for a set price when it was available to him prior to his taking advantage of the service, and so must now face the consequences ie pay the required full ticket price or face the British Transport Police and criminal charges for the crime of failing to pay for services.
[General Topics] thatbigmoose:
https://defendinnovation.org/ if anybody wants to tell the government that they need patent reform.
[General Topics] AndroidBaum:
Dammit Apple Galaxy Nexus Injunction Granted

Forget the Apple injunction on quick search box for Samsung Nexus and Galaxy S III. This new app on GooglePlay does most of what was removed because of the injunction: Veveo vtap QuickSearch
[General Topics] hughxdadev:
Madness

When are they going to develop technology based on providing users with the best experience instead of the developers the biggest profits?
[General Topics] gunnyman:
Except that patent is still pending. :(
[General Topics] ptesmoke:
which is fine...but proves apple is guilty of the same shenanigans they claim other for. they always have been...apples always stole ideas.
[General Topics] patstock11:
Unfortunately I know NONE. all my friends r isheep. I enjoy my iPod touch for music, as far as a phone goes its android all the way. I hate to paint people with a broad brush. And I genuinely think iPhone was super innovative, but I always seem to group iPhone users as people who want a dumbed down smart phone. It's like they get bamboozled, and overcharged, but don't care, it's apple, it's gotta be good right ?
[General Topics] ptesmoke:
dude thats exactly their mentality you nailed it! the people i know are somewhat tech savvy as were all in the avionics industry. i think initially they went iphone early on, and ill admit 3-4 years ago apple was making a higher quality device, though i chose winmo because of the modding....then came to android around the 1.6donut release and havent looked back. now that these guys' 3 year contracts were finally up....they were into android...as apple hasnt really changed all that much and after seeing my hox....they were "bamboozled" :-D

right now though is a time when alot of canadians are coming off contracts from the 3gs 3 year term....and i think alot are looking at alternatives.
[General Topics] robertmoore208:
Since android/ google is open source the notification pulldown is open for distribution, and null and void on anything they can about it being used
[General Topics] veliksam:
Every dog has its day, for the time being that dog is Apple. but i can tell you this, it is on its final leg and very soon consumers will realise that there is a superior os (android) out there that will liberate them in every way when it comes to what they want to do with their device. Take for example Nokia, it had its day and now it's pretty much done (although it's making a little comeback thanks to Windows).

Long live the One X
[General Topics] patstock11:
The funny thing is. The iPhone users I know don't feel restricted. They do t feel like they r missing anything. Sheep. The iPhone does everything they need. Facebook, email, text. It was built for 16 yr old girls. And old people who find tech hard to grasp
[General Topics] neonsector:
really? you left apple because they are suing people because they steal their ideas and make pathetic attempt to duplicate their products?

How would you like to work on a game or an application for years, release it, start making money and then have some ****tards a month later making exactly the same thing and try to market it and sell it as their's?

I own everything apple, including my 4s, but I use a one x as well because I love the design and the way it feels.

So I think samsung ripped apple? sure they did, they all have, before June 2007 no one knew what a smart phone was. same with the ipod, the ipad, the imac, the macbook air, have you seen all the wannabes that trying to make them look the same?

/flame on
[General Topics] patstock11:
Apple invented the smart phone ? Just bc u didnt know what a smart phone was prior to 2007 doesn't mean others didn't.
[General Topics] patstock11:
Again I know the iPhone was revolutionary. But please. Apple is the bank robber who wants all other robbers to pay dues.
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
Wait a minute. Get your facts straight. Apple didn't invent/create half this stuff. It was all just marketing that got them this fame. Theyre devices are decent I admit but theyre far from innovative in recent times and they know it. Hence the lawsuits. Samsung copies? The Galaxy S3 is one of the most superior devices on the market at the moment. Not sure what ur on about
[General Topics] SirFork:
I worked for apple during Steve Jobs medical leave when Tim Cook was acting CEO. On any conference call, any meeting whatsoever, his biggest objective was protecting apple's intellectual property. The company as a whole will fall apart after this generation of products; the last designs of the late Jobs simply because all Apple knows how to do is sue people now. The company that changed everything died with him
[General Topics] patstock11:
I'm actually shocked at this if true. The foundation is laid no ? Anyone with half a brain can at the very least compete.
[General Topics] veliksam:
Have you ever heard of Sony Ericsson P990i or Nokia N95? Pretty much the pioneers of smart phones! Even before that there were smartphones (other Nokia's, Sony, Siemens) which i have owned in the year 2001.

Long live the One X
[General Topics] john_tillman:
What I take offense against is name calling....Droidtards, iSheep, Androids, Sheeps etc etc. How old are you - 15? Everyone has different priorities and their device serves those. If yours is to put a different widget on the screen everyday - that doesn't make you smarter than those who don't. Some people just want to use their smart phone as a phone. They have work, family and life to deal with. Limiting, openness, open source etc are all relative. Most of the common folks are not tech savy enough or care about technology enough to mod their devices. Apple serves them. And, it has been paying off for them handsomely - good for them. Google has different priority - collect all information in the world - thus, free android - so we keep using their OS/search engine. Even they are not dumb enough to open source their cash cow - their search engine/ad serving code (adwords, adsense etc.). Do you start calling those who use google search - gSheep because it is not open? did you know that if you are a site utilizing their google adsense to serve ads - they dont even tell you how much cut do they keep. All you get to know is impressions, clicks and revenue. An advertiser may be paying $50 per 1000 clicks but google may keep $25 and you won't even know that. Hows that for being open?

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I am a convert to HOX and I don't hate Apple. You know why? You don't have to hate Apple to use HOX. HOX is an absolutely fantastic device for me. Is it the device for my wife? No. She had an android device before - Galaxy S Captivate and she hated it. She loves her 4s now because it just works. This morning, the Apex launcher crashed on my HOX and I had to do hard reset - reinstalled all apps etc. That doesn't make me mad - I am curious enough to investigate and fix those kinds of issues. But, it is absolutely not right for me to expect my wife to react the same. Those are the trade offs in using iOS vs Android that we make. Her priorities are different and a smart phone is just a device that should just work - just as a fancy $300 kitchen appliance that works.

So unless, HTC or Samsung comes up with a device that just works for non-techies, they are not going to win their hearts.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
I agree completely. I had an iPhone 4S for a few months and while I did have some serious gripes with it, I did like it very much. Does that make me an iSheep? No. It just means that I like cool things. I have a friend that has a Kindle Fire and he was giving me tons of crap about my iPad and how Android was so much better because it's not locked down like the iPad is. He even called me an iSheep. I started cracking up. Amazon took Android, and locked it down with the EXACT SAME PLAN as Apple does with their products. So he's arguing that he didn't want an iPad because of the "walled garden" yet bought a Kindle Fire that has the exact same core concept. Unless you root, you are locked into Amazon's app store. People just like to toss out stupid names because it makes them feel better about whatever product they chose to buy. Bottom line is Apple makes awesome products and THAT'S why people buy them, not because they are sheep to Steve Jobs'/Tim Cook's shepherd. I think anyone who uses stupid terms like iSheep is being incredibly childish, and Android fan boys are FAR more rabid and deserving of a title like that than most iPhone users, sorry to say. I don't give a crap what logo is on my toys, if it's cool then damn sure I'm going to buy it.

All that said, I do think it is ridiculous what Apple is doing. Sure they kickstarted the smartphone and tablet revolution, but they certainly didn't invent them. I had a windows XP tablet (with an incredibly powerful crusoe processor lol) long before the iPad came out. They were able to make these devices popular because of their existing popularity and marketing skills. I'm not saying that these devices aren't great because they are. I own a bunch of Apple devices, but nothing that they have done since the release of the original iPhone or iPad has been incredibly innovative, in regards to those devices. Every new iPhone/iPad or version of iOS has just been more of the same with minor spec bumps and very minor features added, and a lot of the features they add have been features of Android since the beginning (*cough* notification center *cough*). Heck, even Siri was a rip of Android's voice control. Sure they anthropomorphized it but Android had a functional voice control system long before Apple did. Now people are claiming that Android is ripping off Siri with the latest version on Jelly Bean. Are they f*cking kidding me? So they steal Android's ideas and that's cool because it's open source and they're allowed to, but they go after everybody who has a feature on their device that even remotely resembles something on theirs. I understand it's business, but enough is seriously enough. Instead of innovating their own product, they are trying to prevent other companies from innovating with theirs. It's a damn joke.
[General Topics] ptesmoke:
see this ^ is the common misconception...apple didnt automagically invent the smartphone in 2007...i had many a smart phone before then that even did video calling...believe that!

what apple DID do was create and attractive device...and an attractive ui experience at that time. kudos! but remember this...it wasnt all new ideas, they just put alot of polish on already invented tech. again...kudos to them..as they made a buttload of cash doing so!

no fast forward, iOS hasnt changed a whole lot since then, yes it has matured, yes its improved, but not dramatically. most of the new "features" that they come up with is mostly gimmicks and not seriously innovative.

but now android is coming up with great ideas apple is getting butthurt in the process. i agree competition is healthy and i would honestly prefer apple concentrate on innovating rather than arguing patents.

your points are pretty closed minded but i still respect your opinion, but apple didnt create android, so stop acting like they did!
[General Topics] veliksam:
Now i regret lighting the flame. Lol

Long live the One X
[General Topics] ptesmoke:
i wasnt trying to flame...hopefully it wasnt taken that way. I dont HATE apples products, i hate the mentality they have at this point in time. I personally dont own any apple devices...mostly because we had an ipod once....and hated it, and we arent interested in iOS/iTunes. but thats just our decision...its just not for us.
[General Topics] c5satellite2:
Steve Jobs=thief.

Abundant proof available.

"Good artist's copy, great artists steal"-Steve Jobs.

crApple claims others work as their own. Slide to unlock anyone? Notification bar? Interpreting the type of data and opening a program?

On top of it, when a court rules AGAINST them, and orders them to pay licensing fees to others, they refuse to pay!

Just look it up it is all fact.
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
US company needs to stay in power. Not much anyone can do about it. They have billions and billions they can afford to spend on the best lawyers. In the process they brainwash people into thinking that their devices are superior. Theyre good no doubt. But 90% of the people who own them have had no exposure to the competition before making 'iphone is the best' claims. I feel like apple has lost all innovation. Theyre using the retina display as the main selling strategy. Wont last for long honestly. Its time for them to catch up, which they are doing. The iphone 5 is gonna be a 4" device no doubt
[General Topics] c5satellite2:
And they completely abuse the court/patent system........

I am patenting turning a door knob to open a door, wheels rotating on a car, using your hand to lift a fork to your mouth and will abuse the courts to enforce my will on the people because I have a lot of cash and can do anything I want to, even if I never invented these things and they shouldn't even be patentable in the first place.

Obvious, fair use, public domain, in the best interest of the people, innovation......

And now they are suing Samsung, are they kidding! Samsung should tell them to get lost and find someone else to make their stuff and kill the iDrone right now! If Samsung walked they wouldn't lose a dime. They would cannibalize a majority of crApple customers very quickly. I hope Sammy screws around with apple's shipments and delays the parts they need for the iDrone5! Ponderous they would piss off Sammy considering their relationship and how crApple needs them.

And they make foxconn own their slaves so they can sleep at night.
[General Topics] veliksam:
I meant that i wish i hadn't started this debate. Peace my brothers, can't we all get along? ;)

Long live the One X
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
We are getting along. We're just voicing own opinions on the matter. Nothing wrong with that :D
[General Topics] c5satellite2:
Keep Talking.

Speech is good.

Unpopular speech is better.

Discussions and debates are crucial.
[General Topics] veliksam:
In that case, i give you my blessing and may your first child be a masculine child :D

Long live the One X
[General Topics] lessthanzach:
I hope Tim Cook trips on an extension cord and breaks his nose while revealing the next iPhone. Isn't it bad enough they are limiting their own customers? Now they're stepping on our toes more and more since Steve died. Cook is an ass.
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
Well its just business. We should be thankful that we've got some kicka$! android devices. I have successfully converted about 30% of my close friends to android. Since Apple's marketing is top notch, we the users should counteract this lol
[General Topics] Kindatired:
Google could just do one simple thing to fix Apple, stop YouTube from working on iOS devices. Apple can come up with its own maps program, email services are a dime a dozen... YouTube on the other hand belongs to Google and apple has no way to replace it. Would be like Facebook cutting off android.

How many Iphone users would ditch apple the second they couldn't watch YouTube on their phones anymore. If apple wants to act like a butt hurt child then I say give them a reason to be butt hurt.

You know how apple could deal with this competition problem, MAKE A PHONE that people want to buy over an android phone! This whole corporate "If you can't beat them, sue them." is just going to slow down tech growth. Apple had the majority smartphone market share for the longest time because they had the best phones. Now Android phones have that market share because they have innovated and given the consumers what they want, and that is choice. You want a cheap ass smartphone, there is a android phone for you. Do you want a powerhouse phone with massive screen? Android has what you are looking for. Are you someone that loves to tweak the crap out of your phone well you go ahead and flash different roms and kernels on your phone, android has you covered.

You want a phone that is powerful but overpriced, has a small screen, locked up and love to have to have a secondary program just to put mp3s on your phone... Well.. Apple is here to bend you over and give it to you good. As a plus we even tell you what apps you are allowed to put on your phone and only those apps, because we know what's best for you.

God bless Apple for protecting us from choice, having more than one option in life is scary and confusing.
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
Wow i just read up again lol

http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_nexus_banned_in_the_us_infringes_on_four_apple_patents-news-4462.php

Those are the dumbest patents ever granted. WTFFF
[General Topics] robertmoore208:
Watch ... Apple's next ploy for attention ... Is google infringing on iTunes with play store ... Lol
[General Topics] gunnyman:
An update from the Verge, this ruling is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

So the quick search box, which has been a part of Android for years, is a detriment to Apple because it "infringes" in SIRI, which has been available from Apple for less than a year and is only available on one device?

UGH
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
Thats pathetic. Shouldnt they ban every android phone if that was the case with the search box? I really hope google steps in this time.
[General Topics] gunnyman:
I think we're about to see why Google bought Motorola.
[General Topics] illb456:
I don't own a Hox (still rocking my Evo smh) but the title of this thread caught my attention. I think this guy has a really valid point. I'm not an Apple fan by far, but there is a simplicity to Apple products that makes people feel empowered, like geniuses.

To many, lack of options equates to ease of use and consistency. There's a million Android phones to pick from, but ONE iPhone. iTunes syncs music for you, requiring less manual control. The majority of people don't care about being able to change root files, overclock, or customize OoM values. They want the bragging rights to say I'm smart because I connected all the devices I'm my home with an airport.

I love my Evo, but only because devs have spent countless hours enhancing what HTC said was finished. Ever since I rooted my HTC Hero years back, I hated being on stock, but it sucks to feel like I have to invest time to make it do what I need it to. All of my non tech friends hate Android, because they aren't savvy enough, nor have the time to learn, to get all the potential out of it.

To quote those people, "I just want a phone that works". And the iPhone makes them feel like they have the power.

Sorry for rant. Proceed as normal :D
[General Topics] robertmoore208:
All this ... Current and her past hearings , in my opinion sound like Apple is bribing her for outcomes favorable to them
[General Topics] darktranquility18:
They kinda did blatantly say 'Your Galaxy Nexus sales r@ped us and therefore we have to sue you so we don't lose marketshare.'
[General Topics] gunnyman:
So what's the best android tablet out there right now?

I'm getting rid of my iPad and replacing it.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
Get a Nexus 7 wooohooooooo
[General Topics] gunnyman:
I'm definitely considering it.

I'm pretty pissed at Apple today.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
It is becoming quite comical, isn't it? The day Google starts stripping out core features from Android to appease Apple is the day I fly to Cupertino and leave a flaming bag of sh!t on Tim Cook's doorstep.
[General Topics] gunnyman:
Someone else said that Since Steve Jobs died, Apple's on this rampage because the great ideas are gone. I'm starting to agree with this.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
Yeah I can believe that too. Look at the iPad 3, no way in hell would Steve Jobs have let that thing go to market the way it is. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, but it's thick, it's heavy, battery life sucks, and the GPU isn't powerful enough to push all the pixels on its retina display without choking. I think that right there is proof that Apple is struggling. Although, the retina MacBook is damn sexy. Ugh, I want one.
[General Topics] gunnyman:
Looks like a Transformer Prime is in my future.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
Forget the Prime, if you want a 10" get either the Transformer Pad 300 or the TF700. The 300 is basically a Prime with a plastic back and a standard IPS display instead of an IPS+. The TF700 is a Prime with a 1920x1200 screen res.

I say get the Nexus 7 though. Can't beat it for the price.
[General Topics] gunnyman:
true dat
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
Lol was wondering when this thread was going to get booted into the dark abyss of general...
[General Topics] monkeyluis:
The android fanboys are amusing.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
ALL fanboys are amusing.
[General Topics] gompaky:
I hate Apple band Steve jobs! Fortunately i live in italy

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus con Tapatalk 2
[General Topics] monkeyluis:
Lol. What?? Thick? Battery life sucks? Choking? Sure you're using an iPad? Mine is the complete opposite. I think you're just trying to throw out more fodder for the android fans to use when they yell zomgwtfbbq apple sucks.

I have a galaxy tab 2 7" & the iPad "3". & my iPad runs circles around the gtab. I love the gtab, but it can't compete in buttery smoothness of the iPad. Sorry.
[General Topics] monkeyluis:
Yup. I'm a fanboy of both.
[General Topics] _MetalHead_:
You're kidding right? I love my iPad and all my Apple products for that matter, but it is definitely a step back from the iPad 2. It's thicker, heavier, has worse battery life, and yes it does have trouble with games that try and utilize the full resolution of the display. Just look at NOVA 3 or Galaxy on Fire 2. Both those games had to add settings to play it in lower res to prevent it from stuttering. If you want to play NOVA 3 in high res, say goodbye to half the effects that make it look so great. If you want to play GoF2 in high res, say hello to stutters and frame drops galore. All it takes is 2 minutes reading some threads about it and you would see that these issues are global. And I'm not comparing it to any Android tabs at all. There's a reason why up until the Nexus 7 I haven't bought any Android tabs. They all suck.
[General Topics] monkeyluis:
The Wi-Fi-only version of the new iPad is 0.37 inches (9.4 millimeters) thick and weighs 1.44 pounds (652 grams).

The Wi-Fi-only version of the iPad 2 is 0.34 inches (8.8 millimeters) thick and weighs 1.33 pounds (601 grams).

Really... It's not that big of a deal. .03 inches? .11lbs?

Battery life on my iPad is great. Not sure why you have issues. & no, I'm not kidding. Just giving you my experience.