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[HTC Sensation] biasaf:
What if he asked for an official release date rather than a port? Why go @ him like that without any further information?

I don't know about other people, but I personally appreciate your work and you taking your time to help with the porting process, because I'm really eager to try the new features, but if you're going to go at everyone seeking some knowledge, I just don't think it's the place... Stop making us feel guilty or think twice before asking any questions.

That's definitely not the meaning of the word 'community'.

Plus, the sensation forum itself is not that 'live' lately, so such threads/questions kinda spice things up a lil' bit.

Anyways, If it's that irritating and 'annoying', why not write down all the information currently known about the process and clearing up some stuff for people who have no idea? Wouldn't that just be easier to keep track of the progress AND avoid less people having to ask? I wouldn't even mind doing it myself, but as you can see, this is the only post allowed on the subject.

Would you please explain me why it's that so... un-motivating? annoying? irritating?

People asking such questions will be everywhere, anywhere, anytime, and no one can change that. I don't have a problem with such people, because sometimes they're the reason I'm able to get my questions answered.

Also, the forum won't be as it is right now, without people asking and expressing excitement over new versions/updates.

It will most likely become a dev-only forum, which won't be much fun, will it? I mean, won't you just port stuff for other devs that can do it themselves? Meh...

Anyways, I'm sure he didn't mean to intentionally affect you or anyones else progress. So some sympathy and patience with people. Not all people know what you do, and that's totally legitimate.

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OP/Mod, If you're going to allow only one thread about the subject at least fill it with some information.

Since people are not allowed to ask elsewhere, this should be the ideal place for them to get informed about the porting process and the new update.

You can't forbid people to ask (really basic) certain questions, yet not fill them with information. People come here, first and foremost for information, not to be impressed by the esthetics of the forum.

You may want to merge all of the information and links out there in one post, for both devs and users.

As I said before, I wouldn't mind doing it myself, but I can't... apparently... Just sayin'

P.S, Nothing personal, just expressing my feelings, so no offence :D
[HTC Sensation] Sensation-al!:
HOX is nickname for (H)TC (O)ne (X)

Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
@biasaf as a general rule most people working on ports and other complex stuff dont like feeling pressured to release or fix. After all we all have personal lives and we do this for a hobby, a hobby should be something you do for fun, not because you feel pressured to do so. Also because of the nature of what porters are trying to do, giving ETA is not good because we dont know ourselves and it just adds more pressure. if the dude was asking for ETA of official release, well tbh that is a pretty stupid thing to ask because htc dont generally give eta either - with exception to ics expected rollout timetable.

If you follow the thread in the dev section you will already know that one guy has a rom which gets past splash screen and just loops on logcat errors after that. In any case if you watch the dev thread you will know the latest progress.

the point I really want to stress though is twofold, 1) we do this for free, 2) we do this in our free time as a hobby so please the least people can do is be patient, when its done its done, until then its not done and hassling any devs working on it just annoys people
[HTC Sensation] biasaf:
Jonny,

I get where this is coming from, and yes I do follow the other threads.

I'm pretty informed though it's just normal for people to get curious.

I think what you're saying is right and a dev, as a contributor, should receive his respect and his ideal work environment and conditions. (does that make sense?)

I don't see how this might be pressuring, because as you said, you do it as a hubby and you don't really have to do it for anyone, yet you're still doing it for whatever reason you have.

On the other hand, that's exactly why people asking for ETAs shouldn't be a bother. When it's done, it's done. Just my 2 cents...

Anyways, I'm really not in the place to judge anyone, especially not a dev (since I haven't been in that position really), so sorry for my previous comments.

P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?

I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...

Thank you!
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
There are a few different views on how to go about it. I reckon its todo with the sort of person you are, eg. if you are the type of person that throws yourself at something and gets stuck in straight away you would be most comfortable going straight in an learning basic java and C++

On the other hand if you like to ease yourself into things it would be better to get to grips with a really easy programming langauge with syntax not too dissimilar to more complex langauges. I was lucky and got into mobile modding at 14 with flash actionscript themes for older samsung phones (tocco lite, monte, corby etc) which is a really easy way to start because you can run the themes on pc and test what changes to code do without running them on the phone using flash player and the code is really easy to understand and can gently ease your way into the coding world.

For internet resources, there are a lot of flash actionscript tutorials on the DarkforestGroup sites (DFG StarMods in particular as that is completly dedicated to flash ui based phones) and also there are lots of Java and C++ tutorials online for free but if you want to be sure they are tried and tested then probably the best way would be to buy a book of amazon or somthing like that.

One warning is that it does take a lot of time and you have to be prepared to read lots whichever way you choose! Good luck! :)

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The last post was geared mainly towards app/kernel/AOSP/CM/AOKP development but if you want to be a ROM developer you firstly need some sort of kitchen like dsixda's kitchen and cygwin to enable the kitchen to work under windows. the kitchen will let you carry out basic tasks then I would recommend getting a comarison software like beyond compare or similar and compare your ROM with others then see if you can build on those improvements like perhaps editing values in init.d scripts or maybe some smali hacking to enable hidden features/create new features. Or if your good with photoshop or similar you could change the way icons look and create a whole new unique look to the ROM like steve0007 elegancia ROM. then you can add stuff like beats mods, speed tweaks, xloud, bravia, options to debloat and remove some btc junk from the ROM to create an entirely customized ROM.

Anyway this is all massively off topic and its late and Ive got some attemps at porting to do before I go to sleep :)
[HTC Sensation] dmcb123:
Think i might join you :) been dying to give back to the community and now i have the time to do that :)
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
To bring this back on topic, has anyone else noticed that the OOM groupings are suddenly back in the ramdisk (init.rc to be precise)? Seems strange for google to u-turn on this when they moved the OOM groupings to services.jar for ICS (though if they're anything like the UK government....) ;)
[HTC Sensation] lanluckez:
What can be the best and the more confortable platform to start a petition and collect signatures for the love of making noise?
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
Twitter, HTC don't use their fb account, its a fb account that just pulls the tweets and displays them on the fn page
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
So, do we start a campaign? I can start all that but without support it's going nowhere.

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[HTC Sensation] lanluckez:
I'm with you tinky1. Are you going to do it? If you do it, post here the links to their twitter accounts or HTC forum post or something like that. I will try to expand it to the Spanish forums.
[HTC Sensation] Phencyclidine:
You have support from Serbia!
[HTC Sensation] usaff22:
Well of course there will be a delay... Sense is huge compared to AOSP, look at AOSP, they don't have a stopwatch or countdown timer in it. Sense is really difficult to skin, it's no easy thing to do...
[HTC Sensation] -Asskicker-:
I'm with you! :)
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Wouldn't expect anything different from you :p

Let's see if more people get interested. 4 of us are not going to make a difference. :(

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[HTC Sensation] bartoloandre98:
I have a gs2 but I dont care.I am with you!!!

Sent from My Samsung Galaxy S2 running Paranoidandroid Rom.What else if not?=P
[HTC Sensation] bugsy2126:
Twitter probably?
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
Let the spamming of @htc and @htcdev commence :)

Oh p.s did I mention I'm with you guys? :p
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Ok. Then we need to do it properly. I'll setup a thread tonight or tomorrow, line up some rules so it doesn't get derailed (Sammy documentation thread anyone?) and throw some ideas in. Meanwhile, if anyone has any ideas how to make HTC notice us, feel free to mention it, regardless of how little or much you think it will do for a cause.

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Edit. Here we go. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32834397#post32834397
[HTC Sensation] -Asskicker-:
I'm sure we can create some sort of petition somewhere? Something like http://www.ipetitions.com/
[HTC Sensation] lanluckez:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/jelly-bean-for-htc-sensation/
[HTC Sensation] L8 APEKS:
lmao. 3 signatures? F*ck people are lazy and selfish these days. :silly:

I'm #3. :fingers-crossed:
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Give it time. I didn't want to petition way just yet, I wanted to get a "yes" or "no" first. But if majority thinks it's best to go with guns blazing, I'll add that to the OP on the other thread.

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[HTC Sensation] krazy_about_technology:
I signed the petition anyways, If its out there in Open, let it be a success :)
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
I'll sign it when I get home :)
[HTC Sensation] f_ammari:
Just signed. Thank you guys for the spirit.

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
Signed it... keep the pressure on them! XDA rocks!
[HTC Sensation] Ocaryx:
signed :good:
[HTC Sensation] usaff22:
signed, by a One S owner. also not because I want a JB update, but because HTC's update policy needs to change rapidly or they will lose quite a few sales, their q3 reports haven't been excellent either...
[HTC Sensation] evo21:
Signed. But i would be satisfied with a Ville C2 JB port :)
[HTC Sensation] TenSunSens:
I really doubt that a faster update policy will boost sales significantly though. Look at it from a masses pov - they don't care if they have 4.1 or 4.1.1 or 4.2.1 etc. So I doubt that is the dealbreaker here.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Decimal increments year, but when it comes with a new name its a different matter. People are well aware of Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean. Once they hear new name "me wants" appears. :)

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[HTC Sensation] usaff22:
exactly
[HTC Sensation] mtothearkus:
acutally the "normal" people do not care. i know so many with android devices ... they are just happy, that they work
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
Its not really a matter of whether or not normal ppl would care, Its the fact that ppl would rather not buy HTC anymore because they can see HTC's policy regarding current devices, which will apply to the future's "current" devices, which are to be owned by those ppl.

We are not talking about the sale of sensation, we are talking about future HTC devices and the effect of their customer support for the current devices like sensation on the future devices.
[HTC Sensation] nnila:
People are going away from HTC because to put it bluntly "they suck".

I have owned:

HTC Desire

HTC Desire S

HTC Sensation

and with each one continual **** up's from HTC with regards to hardware to try save a couple of $$ on each device:

HTC Desire - so tight on internal storage that EVERYONE I know nearly who I had talked into getting one used to whinge at me about running out of space to install apps even AFTER using App2SD (This included me)

HTC Desire S - still pretty tight on internal space at a time that Samsung was offering 8Gb internal. Otherwise wasn't TOO bad.

HTC Sensation - this thing chews through battery as if its a starving african kid being fed food for the first time in months. I've bought the Chichitec 1900 batteries even and this struggles through a day if I'm lucky if I have my apps doing background sync'ing etc even without much use.

HTC One..... - again the idiots messed up. Built in battery and storage only?? Yeah thanks - NO THANKS!! Also, yet again had their performance spanked by Samsung.

Of course they're losing profits - everyone just hears what the articles, magazines, friends etc say is the best phone and then buy it. Only way they could possibly make a come back is to make a phone that is actually built to be top of the line so it is THE phone according to all the reviews THEN people would recommend and buy it more.

They're too busy saying their $1 per device though so they will never do this.

I also now have a Samsung S3 and even though I've always loved HTC Sense - it's getting ditched and I'm now permanently sold on Samsung - HUGE screen and this thing will make it through a few days just fine.
[HTC Sensation] sam.assad:
great idea im with you guys all the way
[HTC Sensation] Konstigt:
To say that the masses don't care isn't really true. I have talked alot of ppl at my work etc. into NOT buying HTC devices because of the poor sw updates & hardware problems.

Edit: This is a nice story on the subject, http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-closed-source-wifi-drivers-for-htc-amaze-4g/
[HTC Sensation] Mrzoops:
Agreed

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So after using JB for while, Randomly I will have no mobile network connectivity. My phone was working normally last night, then today no connection. I have tried wiping/formatting and installing new ROM, but nogo. This has happened before and I don't know how it started workign again. Any ideas to what could be the cause?
[HTC Sensation] mrbkkt1:
I'm seriously thinking about getting a note2 or sg3, after being fairly satisfied with my tab 2-7.

Been with HTC since before android (winmo), and they have seriously lost their edge.
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
Exactly same here... time to consider other options.
[HTC Sensation] NinetoFive:
Battery life isn't much of a concern on the Sensation once you get rid of the bloaty sense. I'm getting more than I've ever had (day and a half) running bruce's CM10.

Having said that, if HTC doesn't get their stuff together or have a HTC branded Nexus, I'm probably leaving HTC for whoever is making the top phone in a year.
[HTC Sensation] -Asskicker-:
That's strange, most people get better battery life with Sense... :P
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
As do I...

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[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
It's kinda sad because 2-3 years back HTC couldn't go wrong, every handset they released was fantastic and they were truly innovating but it seems they've got greedy and started releasing more and more handsets per year and too many of them have problems (early One X's had WiFi and tinting screen issues) that put HTC phones way out of the premium build quality we are used to seeing with them. Then they aren't giving enough support to last series devices as they used to, I truly believe HTC have lost it and although I think sense is by far the best OEM skin, if they don't pull it together before my contract finishes I shall probably be moving to Samsung...
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Yeah, agree. Looks like a Samsung device for me too next. Or Nokia 920...
[HTC Sensation] coc014:
I've asked htc chat (in french) if jb will be pushed on sensation( i said that sense 4 was not on our sensation officially but runs perfect)

aaaaand : Just for one S and X :( WTF ?!?!
[HTC Sensation] PesSarmiento:
So.. Officially there will be no JB to Sensation??
[HTC Sensation] mtothearkus:
Dont believe in what the persons in the HTC Chat say.

On German Facebook today they said "don't worry, it will come, this year ...."
[HTC Sensation] mrbkkt1:
I do love the form factor of the senny though, with the curve edged screen, and swappable battery cover, my Denny looks brand new with a new cover.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Take screen shot before they delete it and post it here. We might need it later.

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[HTC Sensation] mtothearkus:
ok here it is ...

but in the end they would say: oh i ment the one series ;)
[HTC Sensation] exxeHR:
Well maybe it will come anyway:

http://translate.google.hr/translat...e/news/htc-sensation-jelly-bean-update-kommt/
[HTC Sensation] EndOfDays-Wildfire:
I dont think that this is a real proof but here is a screenshot where I talked to the English(think it was the British) HTC support:

http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/3054/6ucsulrv_jpg.htm
[HTC Sensation] helpmeguys:
HTC are lazy!

Why are they so slow to give the sensation the update when all the hard work as been done for them? Surely they could just use one of the ROM mods and amend it to suit them?
[HTC Sensation] huy_lonewolf:
To be fair to HTC, none of the ROMs here (as far as I know), has both Sense and Android 4.1. Since the One series is the priority, I don't expect to see any update for the Sensation at all. Just like the Desire HD (which is not updated to ICS officially), my guess would be no official JB for Sensation. If you want fast update, the only manufacturer (beside the Nexus program) you should choose is ASUS.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Prediction of HTC profits.

Good manners cost nothing.
[HTC Sensation] HaYaHa:
I don't think that HTC will udate the sensation to JB, because otherwise the HTC One series will sell less, because the sensation is cheaper than the One series and it has also the same android version. So people that actually is going to buy an HTC One will buy a sensation. And HTC will make less profit.
[HTC Sensation] Skipjacks:
I'm sure that's what HTC is thinking as well.

The fault in this line of thinking is that while it may increase sales short term, it could be detrimental to sales long term.

Once people realize that other companies update their software for longer periods after product launch than HTC does, HTC sales could start to suffer a little bit.

Imagine if during your next phone purchase you held to fairly identical devices that cost the same price. An HTC phone and another brand with very similar hardware and you were trying to decide which one to buy. Suddenly to remember that the HTC phone will only be updated for 12-18 months and the other phone may continue to be updated for 24+ months.

Now which one do you buy?

Right now HTC either is too shortsighted to think ahead like this or they have thought about it extensively and decided that the loss in future sales won't be enough of a drag on current sales to make them care.
[HTC Sensation] hadis8:
please help

i installed the [ROM][RC]AOKP Jelly Bean[JZO54k][Oct 30][OTA

for my htc sensation

android version : 4.1.2

baseband : 11.76A.3504.00u_11.24A.3504.31_M

kernel version : 3.0.46-swagg-gb70ff91-dirty

the point is that my wifi is NOT working

is ther any solution for this problem ??

and how can i get help from the xda developers
[HTC Sensation] sy224048:
I see that you're having trouble, but this is not the right thread. I believe there are some people with similar problems in the section right under general. You know, QA.
[HTC Sensation] usaff22:
No one knows when JB will come out. I wouldn't start speculating now, as the One S JB hasn't even started rolling out yet. Which is why you can't exactly know if or when the Sensation will get JB.

Sent from my locked, tampered ville
[HTC Sensation] wenx13:
JB missing gallery content and 0 music files

Hi, does anyone experienced missing gallery content and music? unfortunately i did and although i tried solutions like rescan media from the page the problem still persists.

Im on Sensation XE with JB MIUI
[HTC Sensation] dario2411:
waiting
[HTC Sensation] olegat0r:
I'm afraid if HTC release JB for Sensation they can specially make it laggy and buggy with the words that our device is too old for JB. :(

The hidden reason: buy another phone that will be more powerful and will not lag.

That is my nightmare, sorry.

Similar situation was with Sony Ericsson Neo/V, where 2.3 still much better (smoothness, performance) that all three official releases of 4.0.x, and have no any bug. So Sony will not release 4.1 for Neo/V.

Nevertheless I believe that Sensation will get smooth and updated JB with Sense 4+. ;)
[HTC Sensation] .TanTien:
The Sensation won't lagg with JB. It's still a very powerful device. Take for example the One S villec2. It's the same phone as the Sensation but with other design and JB will come to it so it automatically should work without major lags or bugs. Otherwise they won't release an update.
[HTC Sensation] dejan16v:
That's exactly what I am thinking as well.

HTC should keep on updating older phones (especialy because at the time of purchasing they were not cheap).
[HTC Sensation] mrbkkt1:
Phone runs like a dream on jellybean.

But that's without sense.... I miss a few sense widgets, but I can live without it.

That's what xda is for anyway.
[HTC Sensation] vinas1:
This is why I bought a Samsung device last month. I really wanted to wait for another HTC device but they (HTC) left me with no options, that and the slow OS upgrades by HTC made Samsung my preferred android vendor again. With the huge losses HTC is facing I'm afraid they are not going to pump money into old phones, which is a shame. The senny is a beautiful device - one of the best Android phones I've ever owned. I have to say though, as good as the Sensation 4G is - after using the Galaxy Note 2 for almost a month now I'm sold. This is hands down the phone to have and Jellybean runs as expected - buttery smooth.
[HTC Sensation] epismax:
HTC Jelly Bean Update FAQ

http://www.htc.com/www/help/android41faq/

Summary

HTC One X, One S? :)

HTC One V? :( (512 RAM)

512 RAM Devices? :(

2012 HTC Devices are priority. And then let's think about 2011 Devices.
[HTC Sensation] miro.san:
I saw the same thing... so it's not ruled out from an official perspective that the Sensation could get JB. I would actually throw some optimism in there, it's one of the more popular devices and it did come out in the latter half of 2011. I think they will take a stab at it, and if it goes well, we'll get it, if not they will say "unsupported" and the test ROM will leak out mysteriously for the developer community to get in working order. Just a theory. :fingers-crossed:
[HTC Sensation] hadis8:
I think if people wants jb for their sensation ...they don't have to wait for it ...

There are lots of good roms out there that are similar to jellybean like android Revolution HD or AOKP or any other custom rom

That is based on jellybean.. i think that the sensation doesn't need jellybean
[HTC Sensation] townay:
ARHD for Sensation isnt based on JB btw :p

What people want is

official

JB for Sensation from HTC

I am pretty sure people know they can go to JB AOKP roms if they want it but others want the official thing from HTC
[HTC Sensation] sy224048:
Yeah actually after I saw that article I think it's entirely possible that HTC will upgrade our sensations.