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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rayiskon:
What i'd like to know is who the hell invented the "This" crap ! Is it supposed to be similar to java's this keyword or what? In any case it's irritating.

As for the topic of this thread, i think people take all this smartphone stuff a lil too serious.it would be better if they go out and get laid or smth..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
Also, get the hell off his lawn.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
All Verizon did was add backup assistant (useful for first time android customers.) and my Verizon both of which you could disable.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
I agree w/ almost everything that's been said here. The Vzw GNex has it's advantages and disadvantages, but what's most important is that the compatibility between these two seemingly somewhat different devices (in terms of hardware and radios) can be remedied with only a little bit of effort (i.e. JB on Vzw GNex only an hour or two after it was released for GSM flashing).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I don't want to get into a discussion about what "agrees" means, but to your question, my answer is still no. To put it a different way, if it's coming with software in addition to AOSP/basic Google apps, then no.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kirdroid:
Verizon sucks .... thy put a Verizon logo on a nexus. As Myriam from Engadget says it's a fake nexus. HSPA+ unlocked is the real deal. I know both models are identical but still with Verizon something isn't right.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kirdroid:
And more over thy have no interest in selling the nexus .. Thy just want the crappy Motorola droids to sell.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
That's obvious because Verizon can't push their crap on the Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GoogleAndroid:
The fact that I was running fully-functional Jelly Bean just hours after it was announced is what makes it a Nexus. I expected Verizon to take months with updates when I bought it. I didn't care. I was able to plug it in, type /fastboot oem unlock, and do whatever I pleased with the phone. That's why I bought it, and that's why it is a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Nexus devices do not ship with AOSP.

If you are going to argue my point, at least arm yourself with information.

It ships with several closed source components. AOSP is open source components only. How the addition of a couple more makes one iota of difference is beyond me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Google says it is a Nexus, which makes you wrong. Doesn't matter what your blogs say. Google makes the call here, not them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bedoig:
I've already said my piece, but...

A couple of apps and different proprietary elements aren't a big deal. The one thing that really sours me on the Verizon device is that their builds block the built in tethering. Not a big deal in and of itself, but indicative of their overall stance. I think the sooner we make wireless carriers into the dumb data pipes that they are the better. Text messaging costs $20/month why? Data used on my phone (which is more powerful than a lot of PC's) is different than tethered data why? This situation is silly. Verizon isn't going to give up the profit they make on this crap voluntarily, so I choose to vote with my wallet. I'm not a fan of ATT either, but my device was unlocked and ATT only gets exactly what money I choose to give them.

...Unless I'm totally mistaken and the Verizon builds leave tethering intact. I know the Sprint Nexus S 4G disabled it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] albundy2010:
Blah blah blah

I'll sum it up perfectly. The Verizon version is a nexus device. The Verizon version is not a GED.

Same goes for a GSM model that is not running the official Google supported build out the box.

Nexus means shipping GED to some people.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Google has setup Android, even AOSP to be provisioned by carriers for tethering. All this means is that it is configured to look at a different APK for information on whether tethering is active or not.

It can be bypassed by simply accessing the tethering activity directly.

It is annoying, I agree, but is something that Google does for subsidized models.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bedoig:
Google operates within the existing system. I just think the existing system is stupid :)

I just wish the rest of the populace cared and/or agreed.

Curious though...I've never looked into it, but...

What do you mean by "accessing the tethering activity directly." Again, I'm showing my ignorance, but I didn't think this was any kind of publicly available API or anything. Are you saying tethering is possible on a non-rooted Verizon device? Is the activity (service?) available in Verizon builds but just not called by their version of the front end without the applicable tethering plan? Just curious.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
There are various ways to do it, but the most common way off the top of my head is to use AnyCut or BetterCut from the market and create a shortcut to a new activity and choose it from there. I don't know the name of the activity offhand but it is self explanatory.

Yep, you can tether without root on a Verizon device, bypasing their provisioning.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] donniestarko:
I think people are hating because the CDMA version is fatter and it messed up the incipio cases for all other GNexs
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
I am actually glad the Verizon/Sprint version(s) of the GNex is thicker. Now their cases fit my GSM model with the extended battery installed. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MMcCraryNJ:
Everything I've ever wanted to say about the topic has been said by adrynalyne and others, but I just wanted to chime in here with a thought or two...

4.0.4. It took awhile to get to the LTE Galaxy Nexus, yes. HOWEVER, it also took/is taking awhile to get to ALL different Verizon devices. Up until this week, the RAZR models were without it. The ReZound is still without it, despite there being SEVERAL leaked ICS builds over the course of the last 2-4 months. The Xoom, despite being a "Google Experience" device, also had to wait some months after its WiFi cousin to get the ICS update.

I'm theorizing that Verizon had an issue with ICS and held off on pushing it out to other devices until they could test and release 4.0.4. Maybe it was due to LTE issues. Maybe the bugs that were on 4.0.1 and 4.0.2, Verizon didn't want to push to other devices. For reasons we will never know, Verizon has waited until 4.0.4 was available to start the push, and that includes the GNex. And you saw, the first two devices to get the update were the Galaxy Nexus leading the pack, followed shortly by the Xoom.

I'll remind everyone that 4.0.3 was NEVER meant to be pushed to any Galaxy Nexus model. We were never getting that as an OTA, and that had nothing to do with Verizon, as 4.0.3 was never planned into the software update path by Google for ANY Galaxy Nexus.

The blogs that ran with all of the FUD put two and two together and somehow tied it all in with Google dropping the LTE Gnex from AOSP inclusion. Clearly nobody was listening however when Google themselves came out and said "AOSP inclusion has NOTHING to do with device support...we still write the software, we still send the software. Nothing is changing in that regard." They fed people ridiculous scenarios, including the LTE GNex will never receive another update, Verizon is ashamed of it, it's never getting Jellybean, etc.

So, will the Verizon model get Jellybean? OF COURSE it will. JB is a major software update, just as 4.0.4 was from 4.0.2. Verizon will not hold it back, as Verizon's only role in regards to software is to make sure that their proprietary bits function correctly on whatever Google wants to send out. That requires a bit more testing on Verizon's end.

At the end of the day, I'm going to make a bold prediction and say that the wait for JB or any other OTA will NOT take as long as 4.0.4. My opinion is that 4.0.4, with all the new radios that Verizon had to write, was a special case. To back that up, I'm going to tell you all to look at the VZW Xoom.

Before ICS came along, the Verizon Xoom got EVERY incremental Honeycomb update that Google pushed to the WiFi version, and it was pushed out within 2-4 weeks afterwards. Nothing was held back by Verizon. Google sent out an update, Verizon tested it, approved it, and gave Google the green light to push. UP UNTIL ICS, when it took a few extra months for Verizon to be satisfied enough to tell Google, OK, you can push it now.

People, support has not ended for the LTE Nexus. It's still a Nexus. And until Google stops calling it a Nexus, it is nobody's place to say "this isn't a REAL Nexus!"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Oh piss off. Quit being a pedant. Wtf do you think people mean when they refer to a rom as an AOSP rom? That's how I'm using the term. It's not literally AOSP, but it's the proper vanilla Android experience. Verizon doesn't offer that because they're having other software packaged with it. If they had offered their extra software as a separate download then I'd say yes, your phone is a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
"Oh piss off". See how childish that sounds?

If Google considers it a Nexus, then it is a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
My apologies.

Did me being correct make you angry?

Bummer.

Google says it is a Nexus. Do you know more than Google does? Just wondering.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
So having two apps that you can disable makes it less vanilla? This is what Google agreed to do on a device they labeled a nexus. I have over 100 apps on my phone. I guess it's no longer vanilla.

BTW, stay classy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yeah I am not understanding the addition of a few more closed source items.

All of these devices have closed source items on them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Is Table Mountain actually a table? Arguably no. Just because something resembles a thing and is therefore similarly named, doesn't mean it actually is that thing.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_Mountain
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
It is Google's device. They named it, not us.

Your example doesn't really correlate.

Dear Google,

We the users of your products hereby inform you that you are incorrect in how you name devices. We know what a Nexus device is, not you.

Signed,

<Insert haters>
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
There are so many things wrong with this argument. Debating this with you is pointless.

For everyone else, the FACTS have already been outlined in this thread. Opinions are like buttholes....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I'm not the one who started a "semi-rant" to counter popular opinion. While the name of the Verizon version may still say "Nexus", evidently many people have been able to look deeper than that. I'm sure it's a fine phone. Why do you even care what people think? I'm here because I think there are flaws with your proposition, and it's fun to argue.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Maybe I need to approach this in another manner.

As of this very moment, what can a GSM Nexus do that a Verizon Nexus cannot?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Please let Google know they are wrong. The users know more about the Nexus name than they do.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I notice both of you are on Verizon. I wonder how many people who aren't on Verizon would be so adamant that the Verizon GNex really is a Nexus?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Ths is about a device, not a carrier. Please answer my previous post.

What can your device do that mine cannot? Carriers do not apply to this discussion.

GSM and CDMA/LTE are discussions for another time and thread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
It's not about ultimate capabilities, it's about what one is receiving fresh out of the box. Your Nexus, fresh from the box, was unlike any Nexus offered by anyone but Verizon. That's what makes it a red-headed stepchild.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Google still says it is a Nexus. They do not name mountains, so please do not use that explanation again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
We're arguing something of profound indifference, but I'm enjoying it because I don't have a horse in the race (as my sig would suggest, I don't yet have a Nexus, but will be trading soon). Just have someone close this marvelous train wreck, and go enjoy your phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Nothing wrong with conversation. I do not believe you are in any position to request moderators close a thread I opened for discussion. Just because you are done with the discussion doesn't mean everyone else is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I didn't ask a mod to close this, I guess I just feel guilty that you're probably not appreciating the humor in the premise of this conversation as much as I am.

You have a phone that has the word Nexus in the name, is Google-sanctioned, receives updates pretty much as fast as the GSM Nexus, but yet you have a thorn in your side about how other people view your phone model. Despite the evidence supporting its status as a Nexus device, it really is held by many people (myself obviously included) that the Verizon device breaks from the implicit spirit of the Nexus line.

I gather you're not a fan of analogies, but when the iPhone was released on Verizon, the latter also wanted to load a few extra apps on it. Thankfully Apple didn't cave on that. Users would be able to download them separately. Arguably, in that case, Apple is a better maintainer of "Nexus-like" principles than Google is currently.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ow_verizon_to_preload_software_on_iphone.html

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I don't know how I let this one slide, but probably all points of argument your opponents have are due to either the requirements or the desires of your carrier. Different radio hard-/firm-/software and extra "valued-added" apps, which conspire to impose a different ROM, and different update schedule (however minutely different).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drift spunk:
Why do Americans must add their telco name when saying that they have a nexus....? Why can't it just be a nexus gsm or cdma nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Because there is a Verizon and Sprint version.

Derp.

Why are we labeled as Americans and not just CDMA Nexus owners?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Because you're by far the most prominent nation that has divergent network technologies within its borders.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Just a play on words reversing his statement. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
So what did I miss?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Not much. Neither you nor your cohort have addressed my arguably legitimate points.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Nor have you addressed mine.

I'd say we are at an impasse.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Which one was that?

As an aside, my previous post would probably be best expressed as "... haven't responded to my comments". Wasn't really a point, per se.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28114666&postcount=66
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phoenixs4r:
Tired of people caring what other think.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
The irrefutable one where Google determines what a Nexus is, not you, or the users. As such, this is a Galaxy Nexus.

Also if you are going to argue that carrier and update schedules define a Nexus, you better declassify yakjuxx variants as Nexus devices as well. Which is ludicrous of course.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Oh, you're still here...

I stand by what I said, still not going to debate this with you. When the toro stops recieving updates from Google or we stop seeing factory images from Google look me up. Until then you're just that the dude with the weird table analogy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
A rose by any other name...

Yes I recognize that the LTE Nexus is a Nexus. The bootloader is easily unlocked, it is easily rooted, and even restorable via Google's factory images (albeit *different* in a few ways). More importantly it differs so little from the GSM model that it benefits just as much from the "Nexus" dev community, thus we see a JB build within 24 on the LTE Nexus. After all, that's half the reason to buy a Nexus...to hack.

That said, I wouldn't feel comfortable with it personally. I switched to Verizon from Sprint for the Nexus back in December and loved it for a bit but I hated feeling restricted. I've sort of developed a philosophy about my phones where I want an open OS on hardware that can be used on any network I choose. So, I left Verizon and got the Play Store Nexus and I've used it prepaid on T-Mo, AT&T, and I'm thinking about trying StraightTalk. The LTE models won't even be compatible with other LTE networks. The LTE variants might be Nexuses but I personally *feel* uneasy using them. But hey, that's just personal preference.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I respect that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Sounds like your real issue is with LTE. No? If getting factory images posted a few days later than the GSM model the price I have to pay for 25mbs down and 15 up, so be it.

By the way, I also think it stinks the LTE networks aren't compatible with eachother.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Hey man, people attach all kinds of names to things. But if one thing appears different than something that already has that name, then it's a different thing and shouldn't be called the same as the original. (in this case it appears different to me because it has apps that the carrier wanted pre-loaded).

It's just like someone who wants to argue that a whale is a fish. To those who care little for subtleties, it would seem to be a fish. It has fins and spends the vast majority of its time completely under water... but yet there are a few pesky details that instead classify it as a mammal (breathing air, giving birth to live young, etc.).

The different ROMs/update schedules were not my arguments in disqualifying the Verizon variant from being a "true" Nexus. I was just consolidating all those, along with my argument of the pre-installed apps, to show how discussing the carrier are possible arguments toward seeing a differentiation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
What you call it is your own business, but you do not get to decide whether Google is wrong in their classification. I am sorry, but that is simply not the case. Disagree? Take it up with Google. Put your foot down and tell them they are wrong, the CDMA phone is not a Galaxy Nexus.

Maybe I should go on about the GSM Nexus not being a true Nexus because the CDMA Nexus runs a newer version of ICS. If you want to judge it by updates.

Sounds silly, doesn't it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
This was never an argument about what is its official status. Clearly it's been endowed as such. But there are distinctions visible to those who see a core concept/spirit behind an idea, and can look beyond branding.

Don't miss my previous post. I also have the weird whale analogy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
Oh I have no problem with LTE as a technology. I just won't want it until you can get a phone that supports multiple LTE frequencies (a "pentaband" equivalent). Lol I do miss those delicious VZW LTE speeds, I hit 45Mbps down at one point...granted battery life suffered=/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I've told you before, I would concede that the Verizon variant is a true Nexus if it didn't come with those carrier-mandated apps on it. Other than that distinction, it behaves like a Nexus to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Whether you concede or not is not relevant.

Google approved of the changes and still chose to provide updates for it as well as keep the Nexus name.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
Sorry to break it to you, but even Google shoves bloatware in my face on the takju Nexus. Between the useless Google Earth and now the JB OTA including Currents as non-removable systems apps, Verizon's bloat doesn't bother me any more so. If I have to root to get rid of Google's bloat, why not just take care of Verizon's at the same time?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Yes it is, you're directly challenging its "status" as a Nexus, atleast in your opinion.

I'm bowing out of this one. You can respond with your opinion but that doesn't change the facts ;)

I saw the whale analogy, uhhh ok.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
Well of course it's still a Nexus, as far as I know it's just been kind of frankensteined to be CDMA. Seems that most people that have battery issues and dropped call issues all have a verizon nexus. It's still a Google Nexus phone though, there's no arguing that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
I hear you. Don't get me started on this darn battery!!! LOL.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Nah, no frankensteining. There is CDMA and LTE support even in AOSP. It just requires a few more proprietaries than GSM (yes even GSM requires proprietaries for radio functionality). Those additional proprietaries have caused licensing issues with redistribution.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
Ahh, I was under the impression that Verizon kind of screwed up the transition to CDMA, causing increased battery drain (with and without LTE enabled) and in some cases dropped calls.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No, although thats what the rumor mill has said.

There are failures and defective ones here and there though, like any other device.

The LTE drain comes from running two radios at once. There is no way around it, but if you choose CDMA only, then the LTE radio goes into a lower power mode, but you cannot shut off the LTE radio on any 1st gen LTE device. When I say shut off, power it down. So even as 3G only, LTE phones have increased drain.

The S4 uses one radio for all bands, so it becomes much better on battery as a 2nd gen LTE device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Hspa biotch. Lol.

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Prick ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
"official status" is what Google declares, and they can apparently call it whatever they want.

I'm arguing its status relative to what I (and apparently many, otherwise this thread wouldn't have been inspired to exist) perceive to be the original idea/concept/goal of the thing.

I wasn't aware of this... Part of me wants to say that Google's apps fall into a grey area, since they are the main driver of the whole endeavor (otherwise we would argue about almost every main app except the Play Store, which we need in order to get any other app on top of the Vanilla experience). But the increase of apps in the Nexus roms does disappoint me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
Makes sense, thanks for the clarification!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
I'd say anything that is available in the Play store should not be forced upon me. Earth and Currents can be downloaded/uninstalled via Play, so get them out of the ROM and let me choose. Things like the SMS app or Email (not Gmail) I can understand being baked in.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
Hey, running Jellybean here on my Verizon GNex. What does this mean? 4G speeds with the latest update. Everything works. I'm not sure why people have to complain.