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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qnet:
This is a interesting thread. I guess I'll add my opinion.

I don't deny that the CDMA Nexus is a Nexus but, I prefer the GSM version. It's all about personel preference to me and my experience with the Nexus One.

The Nexus One was my first phone of that type and I was one of the early adopters. I was a long-time Verizon customer and switched to T-mobile for the phone. I remember joining the Nexus One forum and discussing all the pros and cons. Back then not many people knew about the Nexus One because it was only sold online. You couldn't even get any accessories except through Google. At the time this didn't work well for Google and they ended up stop selling the N1 after only a few months.

Every since then the Nexus brand as become some sort of underground cult phone among us geeks. People start calling it a developer phone but, back then it was just a idea that had gone wrong for Google (only selling the phones online). When they stopped selling the N1 it could only be purchased oversees or by developers. I guess this is were it became a developer phone but, it wasn't originally marketed that way IMO.

My preference is just from my experience. It was cool to get a phone unlocked and shipped to me, that was called a Google phone. It introduced me to the whole Google experience and I thought it was cool that another company besides Apple had there own ecosystem.

As I mentioned I was a long time Verizon customer and didn't even know what a sim card was. The idea that you could just buy and switch phones and slap sim cards in them was so cool to me (still is). It just seems more relaxed and less controlled, if that makes any sense.

Google has come a long way in the past two years. They can now take the risk of selling their devices on the play store, a idea which I love. It brings back a nostalgic feeling for me of buying the Nexus One. I can't wait for my third Galaxy Nexus to arrive LOL. I had the Verizon Gnex but, it just didn't feel like the same experience. Having said that, I don't fault anyone who likes and is enjoying their CMDA Gnex, I consider it a Nexus phone; just not for me. It would have been cool if Google had offered both on the Play store.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Lol. Touche.

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
Counter rant

Before I start, I'd like to say that I understand that it is a necessity to have a CDMA phone for some, because of network coverage in some areas. There is nothing wrong with CDMA GN owners, they are people like you or me.

(sarcasm)

You can feel free to call a CDMA GN a nexus, I won't.

The issue has nothing to do with being a development device. The issue is

RESPONSIBILITY AND CONTROL.

I'd like to call every android, a nexus device. Heck, I'd like to call every phone, a nexus device

BUT

nexus devices are only dependant on the decisions made by google, and it is solely responsible for their updates.

If you look at the android project/platform in general, the top two flaws/annoyances you will see are update delays and bloatware. Those two issues stem from the same source.

RESPONSIBILITY AND CONTROL

Google is not in sole control of androids outside of the nexus range so updates take more time to reach the end user in a legitimate manner. Forget about bloatware, since that is not the issue we are discussing, but it's middle-man related too . The fact that you, me or anyone had JB 3 minutes after Google decided what to call it, is worthless. We are talking about support, not development.

my device got zucchini pie, Back in the arpanet days, through a leak in one of my heating pipes.

What value do your not so magical powers have on a phone's status?

Back to the subject

Verizon is a party between the user and Google, cause it has its own code added to builds to allow them to function on its network. GSM does not have or need network specific code (and let no one lie to you about that). The proprietary code causes VZN to stand as a middle-man between user and Google is what takes away the Nexus in the GN. Sure it's not the only device with that issue, but that doesn't mean that it's a nexus. THAT MEANS THAT OTHERS AREN'T.

To explain this using an example:

Crossovers are listed as SUVs, but they can't really go off road anymore than a normal car can. There is no more SPORT in the (SUV= sport utility vehicle). So if SUV has a meaning, crossovers aren't SUVs. If it doesn't have a meaning, than they are SUVs

SO

If nexus has no meaning, than cdma GN's are %100 nexus, I hope you enjoy the status. If it does have a meaning, then sorry, no nexus for you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sert00:
amen to that..totally agreed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
I'm confused by this. I remember rumors that the VZW Gnex was to get 4.0.5 but it ended up being 4.0.4?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
There was a Verizon 4.0.4 leak while everybody was still on 4.0.3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Not to mention that we are now on IMM76K while yakju is on IMM76I.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
With your logic then the GSM nexus is not a nexus because it has Samsung code in it.

You can deny it being a Nexus all you want but I can do whatever GSM devices do, software wise.

This post reeks of this:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
and many of us are/were on JRN84D, biotch. it's like the verizon is the slow kid on the block. but it's ok adrynalyne. we still love you, helmet and all. :laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Leak.

Dork! Stop calling me biotch! :D

And I was on it before many GSM users were;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
I remember the GSM Nexus getting 4.0.4 in April and the Verizon Nexus getting it at the end of May. I can care less about which version got it first but I just think that statement is inaccurate.

GSM Nexus

Verizon Nexus

Like I said, I could care less about which came first but I don't think the last letter of the build number has any significance other than they are builds for different radios.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of your statements but let's not be this petty.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Is lte affected or improved any? Or is still same battery hog?

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I am not being petty and radios are not the only difference. If timing of updates makes a Nexus then yakjuxx variants are less of a Nexus than Verizon.

This not directed at you but:

I am realizing more and more that many opponents to the Verizon Nexus are uninformed to how Android, versions, proprietaries, and closed source code work together on a Nexus device.

That is not an insult. I am aware not everyone knows and it helps me understand the opposition.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Well I am in a super LTE area so I am afforded similar battery life as 3g but overall it looks like its been increased some (battery life).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
OK. Thanks biotch. lol. ok, that was last one. maybe.

looking for an lte phone but not ready to go to the dark side. fixing to get a verizon dumb phone from work monday anyways. manufacturers need to start pumping out unlocked lte phones already. the atnt gs3 is a sorry excuse of a phone. if the int'l version had atnt lte compatible radios, i'd probably have one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
If I had to do it all over, I would settle with no less than a 2nd gen LTE device for battery reasons alone. S4 is second gen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
Trust me, I am

not

the opposition. I feel that the CDMA Nexus and the GSM Nexus offer the same privileges/experience, which in turn makes it a Nexus device, that's where I stand.

I only bring it up because I believe in this one instance, between the letter "I" and the letter "K", it is used as differentiation between the two phones and not an actual (incremental) update. That's all.

Could you explain to me better than what that letter stands for? And do you have any documentation showing that the GSM and CDMA versions were ever on the same exact build? Again, I'm not questioning validity, I'm just curious. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ajftl:
Lol i laugh when I heard **** like this. So the gs3 from tmo Att sprint and Verizon are also not gs3 lol. Omg this retarded
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Letters are changes when Google doesnt feel the change warrants a number. I to K sees a gallery update.

I am mobile and not really geared to look for docs but 4.0.4 aside, GSM and CDMA have been same builds.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
if you're referring to me i did not say that. i was referring to the whole phone being a sorry excuse. att doesn't allow google wallet, the qualcomm chipsets don't have wolfson on board, no 32gb version, no lte on/off switch and as of now no way to manipulate the priority of radios on the atnt gs3. it is a wannabe phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Yes. That's when it started rolling out for Verizon users. The leak, IMM30B was floating around mid-march. I know, NBD, but just wanted to make sure my memory wasn't going crazy.

---Edit---

Lol NVM, the 4.0.4 leak was actually the first week of February, way earlier than I thought. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
That's where I wanted to seek clarification on. Regarding being on 4.0.4 then, yes, they are on the same build, but for something like IMM76I as opposed to IMM76K, are they ever on the same build? I tried to look it up and I found this

here

, but discerning which builds were for which devices is tricky. My main goal is "accuracy", because one thing I've learned from being married is to have your "facts straight". :laugh:

Either way, this is more of an educational prospect for myself. Not really pertaining to the original discussion. Thanks for the help. :)

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After re-reading your comment, I noticed you were referring to a "leak" and not OTA so basically my statement is NULL. :silly:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yeah its the same build. The only things that change from GSM and CDMA is configuration, different proprietary blobs and a couple apks that are already prebuilt and just dropped in.

That's why JB was an easy port.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nodstuff:
I find it hard to believe that someone would argue that the Verizon galaxy NEXUS isn't a nexus.

The only difference between GSM and CDMA is the fact they are GSM and CDMA. (Oh and CDMA got bigger batteries and more storage, jealous)

Tables and whales have nothing to do with it, go to the factory image download page for NEXUS devices and at the bottom is the image for vzw gnex.

Google sanctions the devices, they consider it a nexus, case closed.

If this were a court case that would be the slam dunk.

Sent via some sort of internet thing
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
Can I get a VZW Nexus in the Play Store?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
nope.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
It seems to me this whole discussion revolves around first defining what a Nexus IS. As far as I can tell, not even Google knows.

For example, if you go to www.google.com/nexus you'll find Google's own description: "With Nexus, you get the latest updates packed with fresh features directly from Google." Funny though, I don't think Nexus One users would agree about the latest updates part. And technically speaking, the non-Play Store GSM variant doesn't get its updates directly from Google.

However, if you head to the Support section, there's an option to speak to a specialist. Since there's no indication that they only intend to support Play Store GNexuses, my guess is Google will support any Nexus. If that's true, every Nexus from the Nexus S 4G to the LTE GNex is a Nexus in Google Support's eyes.

This made me stop and think for a moment...but I don't see anywhere that guarantees that true Nexus devices are to be available on the Play Store. Case in point: Nexus S. I can understand why the Nexus One isn't sold on the Play Store, but the S is still very capable hardware and is still supported by Google. It not being being on the Play Store does not somehow disqualify it from the Nexus program.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
well, i think sometimes people forget, google is a highly evolving company, especially their software. google has a hard time definiing itself sometimes. google is a big perpetual beta like it's software. and the nexus one was a very cool toy and still is but it is definitely an under performer and should play stay there so it's nostalgia isn't tarnished.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Hmmm... I like your outlook on Google. :) Somewhat philosophical.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
You're signature makes me dizzy... :eek:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Well quit staring at it!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] juanzr1:
I have jelly bean on my Verizon nexus :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mdschmid1978:
I agree. I had a Nexus One and now have Verizon Nexus. While I love the phone...Verizon has bullied Google...same reason it took so long for Verizon to get iPhone. Apple refused to be bullied.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
How did Verizon bully Google?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] arknailed7754:
Sorry...it can't be called a nexus chap. The order of the world is at stake and life itself will pale in comparison
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Wouldn't bother asking.

He just read sensationalist blogs and took it for fact.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] najaboy:
I can't help but laugh when people revise history in such a nonsensical manner. Apple was the one who came to the table with unreasonable demands. The "refused to be bullied" is a euphemism for made unprecedented demands regarding after-sale revenue and control over customer interaction. Apple went to VZW and they balked at Apple's demands, so it was then that the iPhone was offered to Cingular. Conditional to the deal was a for year period of exclusivity that expired in 2011.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 916Kev:
In my opinion, the verizon gnex is a real nexus. That is all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Man, if you can't get the point of analogies, I feel sorry for you. With that poor quality thinking, no wonder you think the Verizon version holds ideologically true to being a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I would say don't feed, but too late.

Stop feeding the troll. You don't even own a Nexus and like he said, your analogies sucked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Apple successfully told Verizon to stuff themselves on the topic of pre- loading bloat ware. Google apparently lacks that level of balls.

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Neither do you...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Ok, I have no time for you. Welcome to ignore, troll.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
Oh, you're not begging me to continue any more?

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You brought this on yourself by starting such a dumb thread. If the core of your argument is that "Google says so", what do you care what others think? Maybe you also don't believe that "Google says so" is convincing enough.

I wish you well on your path to grow a thicker skin.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ddemlong:
My phone's box said galaxy nexus on it when I bought it. I'm good.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I have a bottle of water on my desk that is branded "smart water" (by Glaceau, a subsidiary of Coca-Cola). Do you accept that the water contained therein is smart?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] turmoil86:
There are some really salty people in this thread. Who cares if it's a "Real Nexus" or not? At the end of the day it's just a fucking phone, and you still get updates just as fast as the GSM G.Nexus. Now If you're one of those people who own a Verizon Nexus and depend on Verizon for your updates then I have no sympathy for you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
"Smart" is being used differently in that case. Ex: a smartphone. Does it have artificial intelligence? Of course not. Then why is it called a smartphone? Because it's more advanced than a basic phone.

The CDMA/Nexus is still a Nexus. It still gets updates directly from Google, just what the Nexus brand implies. The only difference between it and its GSM counterparts is that it needs to be tested by the carrier to make sure it'll be compatible. Is Verizon(or Sprint) making any fundamental changes to the UI? How about to the OS itself? No? Then it's still a Nexus. Google makes the updates, sends them to Verizon(and Sprint), they test them, then push them. No one makes changes that will strip it of the Nexus legacy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tehgyb:
This this friggin this. Nexus is nexus. Enough said.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
You skipped the one argument I've upheld: that Verizon has their own apps pre-loaded to it.

About the "smart water" analogy, it just means that although someone gives something a name, it doesn't mean that the thing is instantly imbued with that quality.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
Fwiw I thought the first half of this thread was actually intelligently discussed and it really got me thinking...now it has significantly degraded. Oh well...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lafester:
Some people just like to think they have a better nexus then others.

For some reason they also feel the need to go around the forum and make sure everybody knows it.

Two apps? wow that verizon nexus sucks! Your phone must run like **** with all that bloat running :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I don't expect you all to understand subtleties and, for lack of a better term, "the spirit of an idea", but it amazes me the extent to which you will attempt to argue against them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
First, welcome to the wonderful world of Google devices. Google doesn't do any phone manufacturing itself (up to the moment and in a formal sense). Every device is magically made by some other company, for some reason unknown to me (but my guess is profit)

Your reply was easy to say from your side. I understand your opinion and the reasoning behind it. Thank you

BUT YOU'RE WRONG

In my quoted post I wrote about a concept, twice. It's all an issue of responsibility and control

Google is the party that took upon itself the responsibility to cover all issues concerning software on the phone. Samsung's code goes to Google before reaching you.

- No middle man-

Which is another way of explaining the same concept.

Between a GSM version and Google = no one.

Between a CDMA version and Google = proprietary code that the provider must supply and Google may not edit or use, unless otherwise permitted.

I don't care that much about the latest exclusivity of the nexus brand. I also like many phones that aren't of the true nexus line. The CDMA nexus and razr maxx, are two such amazing phones. In fact, if the sgs3 were a $350 dollar contract-free phone, I'd get that instead. It's not better in every way, but it's a lot better in most.

A lot of nexus owners have a nexus. A device that is pure google.

you my friend, have a nexus too. A meaningless term used for marketing an android (for now)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dragn4rce:
FINALLY!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] faust0230:
I have no desire to get in this meaningless argument but here I am for some reason - unknown to me. I have the cdma gnex and my girlfriend has the gsm version. She really has no interest in modding so I do that for both of us. I will say this, I have had virtually identical experiences on both versions so if one is a 'true nexus' then, by my personal experience and through a simple logic proof, both must be 'true' nexi ( Is this the right way to denote the plural form for nexus? - lol). I digress, point is that this argument is truly the epitome of an ocd level of nerdiness (Fml -what does that make me for reading all of this lol). A nexus is a nexus is a nexus, get over it, let's move on to more important matters - such as the awesome power of JB!

tapped from beast mode gnex
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zetsumeikuro:
If it says Nexus and I can flash whatever I want, when I want, zero ****s are given. Good day.:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] najaboy:
Your analogous are intellectually dishonest at best. You alone uphold your weak assertions as valid, yet they are riddled with logical fallacies.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Google has their own apps pre-loaded as well on their Nexus devices, some of which can be seen as bloatware(ie: Play Movies and Currents). Does that make it less of a Nexus? Or will your argument change because this is Google we're talking about?

Your logic is flawed. Not all GSM Nexus devices are created equal. No middle man between Google and the GSM owners? Haha, tell that to the owners of the yakjuxx variants. They get their updates from Samsung, not Google. In a way, it's similar to the CDMA Nexus.

It amazes me how badly people want to discredit a CDMA Nexus just because it's CDMA, even though the truth has been said over and over: It's still a Nexus.

Jealousy because we got the bigger amount of storage? :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Will real g. Nexus please stand up?

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
Enjoy your CDMA Nexus as much as you can! I highly doubt you will ever see another one on a CDMA carrier. In less than a year, this argument will be insignificant.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
Yes, my CDMA Toroplus is better than the GSM Maguro. 32GB FTMFW ;)

You think? Google is just gonna decide they don't want any of of that VZW $? Despite what some think there's no ideological purity about the Nexus from Google, it's just another way they make money.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
Yes, that is what I think. The direction Google is taking the Nexus line it just doesn't seem feasible. Verizon doesn't want to push a single Nexus device onto it's customers, do you think they will want multiple? Google is trying to take complete control of the Nexus brand with the play store. And the money part? You think Verizon's half assed approach to marketing the Nexus is really making Google a ton of money?

Would I like to see another CDMA Nexus? Most definitely. More developers working on a phone is better in the end for the GSM and CDMA device. Without a CDMA Nexus, I wouldn't have been able to enjoy BAMF ROM's...and they are pretty great. I truly just believe it is a sad fact that there will not be another one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Turb0wned:
I think we will see another CDMA "real Nexus." We just won't ever see one on Verizon again. Let's all be honest, what are the chances of it happening?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
All I see in your above post are assertions. Where do you try to counter my argument?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
the Verizon nexus is not a nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
I addressed this already.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28118373&postcount=96
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
This statement hurts my brain. The Verizon *NEXUS* is not a Nexus??? A =! A!?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tgyberg:
Well with this amazing insight, the argument is over! Might as well close the thread! :laugh::silly:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
I'd be willing to bed there'll be one on Sprint...granted it'll take 6 months for it to arrive. I wouldn't hold my breath for Verizon unfortunately. Though really they'll be LTE Nexuses (probably for AT&T too), the difference will lie in what network technology they fall back on when LTE is unavailable.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sarkozy:
What are you talking about? Google/Samsung are in the business of selling a product, not some idealistic notion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MarcMaiden:
This has probably been said here,

but the only issue the Verizon Nexus is that it is a CDMA device. That's the only fragmentation. But, as Jelly Bean shows, we can flash GSM software with Verizon Radio and settings with out issues which means it is a true nexus device.

I am proud to be a Nexus owner, more so now than ever.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
holy missed sarcasm alert batman..

Did you happen to read the thread title?