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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] eman3316@optonline.net:
Doesn't look like we can get much for out Views right now. The time to sell would have been before the announcement of the Nexus 7. Who would spend anywhere near that much on the View at this point.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
yeah I doubt I could get much out of my flyer now honestly, though the pen sells it for more than you think, but Google has pretty much devalued every other current tablet out there now, and made everyone less desirable.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
You could still get decent money on Craig's list, because people don't know any better. Imo the flyer is still a better spec when compared to the nexus tablet

Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah if I were to sell it, Craigs list is where I'd go where I could sell it locally and be done with it and not have to wait a week on an ebay auction, and avoid all the PayPal bs too. i sold my old video card and cpu on their last year, friggen PayPal held my money until the buyer received the item!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] rushless:
I find the View to be more than fast enough and the lack of storage in the N7 to offset the Tegra 3 and slightly better display. I have a TF300 as well, but the View holds its own for most things. 13gb of free space and that being shared with apps, data and media to me is nuts.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] contradude:
I made the move over to N7 as well. Developing was just too much ackwardness due to it not being AOSP and trying to notate math notes was too hard. going to miss pen input nonetheless. I sold my view for $175 easily on CL and went with a 16gb N7.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Yucko:
I'm sticking with my Flyer as 3G is the reason I bought it in the first place :) I really don't want to go tethering when I'm on a trip or something.

The lack of sdcard support is the second thing that is preventing me to upgrade to something else.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mectavo:
Pen

The only thing why I bought flyer is the pen. But the weight of both is a big burden . Kinda like the new nexus 7`s swift.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bagelicious:
Not to knock any of our Devs here, but I think you can add that the Dev community will be much larger with a lot more ROMs available for the N7. I imagine they will find a way to tweak the UI so it looks more like a tablet instead of a giant phone.

Regardless, the lack of a microsd slot is a deal breaker. F the cloud - I want my media stored locally.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah plain and simple, the Flyer didn't sell well and thus doesn't have a whole lot of developers. My captivate which was atts flagship android phone in 2010 in contrast has probably hundreds of developers. I think the nexus 7 is shaping up to be a hit already, pre orders are going fast. and no that's not a knock at our developers, they just don't have alot of help.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Xxul:
Good point, i dont want to download from the cloud/stream my media, if i cant have it all offline then to hell with it.

I dont want or need a data plan from my operator so i could listen to my songs, and all those who worship the idea of cloud storage are morons, not only it is a privacy violation to store your stuff online but you would be amazed how many of the world in uncovered, hence rendering the cloud useless..

Lol imagine buying a 500$ device with a cloud only storage and travelling to a place outaide your country, lmao..

Still i like the fact that you can connect a hdd to it, therefore adding storage, but it is debatable if there are practical and estetic purposes from carrying a 200g hdd drive ( for americans reading this, 200g means 200 grams. Grams as in scale units)

It is nice that the guys presenting the nexus 7 on io 2012 mentioned theyd put the port to allow "hacking". Youtube it, it made the audience giggle
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Just because you don't see the benefit doesn't make everyone who likes it a moron my friend. I personally agree with you, I don't need a bunch of people going through my personal files, however a lot of people could care less if everyone knows what movies they are watching or what music they are listening to.

Agreed it's pretty slick. For those of you that are unhappy with the Flyer, you could look into the Gamestop thing that is supposedly going to happen. It looks like they are going to be taking old Android tablets in partial trade for the new Nexus.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Game stop will rape you. You might get $80 bucks for the flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Xxul:
Im still getting one ^^

The whole "multimedia" tablet, made for media marketing git me hooked. And not to mention Nexus Q! Deffo buying that!

Darn it i can see me ending up with a google tv aswell..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Hehehe +1 on the Google TV, and I'm eying the Nexus 7....now I just need to talk my lady into oking the purchase! :P
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sassyness77:
This exactly what I'm doing, just let the flyer go with scribe for $150 and can't wait to pre-order :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Gamestop only requires $50 to preorder the Nexus 7 and you get the exact same deal as Play store offers.

Just fyi ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I completely plan on buying one eventually. Honestly the lack of an SD slot shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, the last time they had an SD slot in their flagship, HTC was making phones for them! They can say what they want about costs but we all know better. An SD slot costs next to nothing to add, they leave off the SD slots because they want to push cloud! And reality is with cloud I really haven't found much use for a SD slot so its not a deal breaker for me.

I am still a bit disappointed in the UI though, I ain't going to lie. No doubt there was room for improvement on the old honeycomb UI, but ditching it all together for a phoneish UI wasnt the answer. I'll probably be trying the dpi trick as soon as I get it
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
Whew... I just sold my HTC Flyer ($160). I was thinking that it would never sell. I didn't want to be stuck with it, since I already preordered the Nexus 7.

As for the SD card being there or not being there. I never took the 16GB sd card out after I put it in. It was a pain to take it out and load it up and put it back in. So it was never really used as intended.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
yeah the Sd slot location sucks on the flyer. I pretty much put one in because I got sick of having to take my phone apart and fight with the panel on the flyer every time I put a custom rom on
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deaglecat:
Well to post a reply to my own original question. I have now sold the flyer (£100 as an easy sale to Mazuma Mobile - very efficient). They did not want the scribe pen, charger or case though, so I may be able to recover a little more money from those accessories on ebay.

Now it is a question of Nexus 7 8Gb, 16Gb or push the boat out for a new retina Ipad.... Decisions Decisions.

Anyways. Best of luck HTC Flyer community - I wish you well in getting the best out of this awesome little device. I am sure that you will do so by the powers of 3rd party ROM development.

Cheers

Deag
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
That's up to you, of course. But I will tell you this. My fiancee had the Ipad 2 and through some cleaver selling and discounts where she works , it only cost her about $45 to upgrade to the Ipad3.

I have looked at both and played with them and watched streamed movies on them, and I honestly can't see much difference between the 2 and 3.

The camera on the 2 sucked, though and the iPad 3 takes way better pictures.

Just my 2 cents worth.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Not so fast on the Nexus 7... it might get banned for patient infringements. Who knows? Everyone is on the lawsuit bandwagon.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/mobile-and-wireless/20637/nexus-7-tablet-vs-nokia-patents
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
Two things going against Nokia.

1. They are a Finnish company. Not a California company with a California Judge hearing the case

2. Does Nokia have the money to put up (Like Apple vs, Samsung)? I don't know. Didn't Apple have to put up $97 million or something ($95m+another$2.6m)

But, hey, NOKIA finally will get their name in the press. I thought they were defunct.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Droff:
So much talk about multimedia aspect of the Nexus 7, but no mention that there is no HDMI or MHL support, so no big screen on the go.

I also do agree that SD is a really big minus for Nexus 7. Quad core chip can play high definition files without need of conversion (big plus), but there is only so much you can store on the internal memory (even temporarily). 8Gb memory doesn't really mean that you can put 8Gb of files there. Indeed there is a lot less room available.

In my opinion the only real advantage of N7 is gaming. That's pretty much it. The rest of "media consumption" on N7 won't be very different from many other devices (including Flyer and Evo). And again, in terms of media consumption, I can take my Flyer with me on the trip, connect it to TV in the hotel room via MHL and watch Netflix or local media on big screen with my friends. It is not possible with N7. In terms of music, N7 again looses due to the storage. I store video files only temporarily and can probably live with external usb option, but I like having my music on the device and being able to play it in my car while driving (though mobile phone can handle this role if needed). You just can't have big music library with Nexus 7.

Nexus 7 looses in terms of productivity as well due to the lack of digitizer. Hand written notes is one thing. Also if you ever tried to control your home/office PC from a tablet, you might know that finger input on small screen in MS Windows is less than ideal. Precision of the pen, really comes in handy. So it is quite a big minus for N7. If you don't use pen, then you don't really loose anything. But you also don't gain much. Quad core cpu sure is faster, but in real use the difference is not really that big, just a bit smoother (sometimes). With announcement of quad cores I had really big hopes for much faster web browsing (I want desktop speed :) ), but I was disappointed to see that the promised speed is still not there.

Of course there is also an OS factor. Jelly Bean with future upgrade vs honeycomb dead end. But again, if you really think about it, you don't really gain all that much from the upgrade. I'm still rocking 2.2 on my Galaxy S and don't see a real reason for an upgrade other than wanting latest and greatest. The fact is that there are many great 4.0 roms for my phone, but optimized 2.2 proved to be an awesome performer, and I just don't see much gain from upgrade. But that's just me.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that N7 is a great device (as a matter of fact I pre-ordered one for my sister), but in my opinion, unless you're a gamer, Flyer is a more useful device. I would sell my Flyer in a heart beat if there is a better replacement available, but N7 is just not it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
It all depends on your needs. I don't use mhl, I got a ps3 and a roku box for my streaming needs at home, and while having alot of storage does matter on my phone, I don't care much on my tablet. I do play music off of it, but I uploaded all 60 gigs to Google music a couple months back so I pretty much just use Google music for that. And I'm not sure how the storage will be partitoned but unless you got the 32 gig flyer, having an SD doesn't help with gaming as game data automatically goes to the default partition, and HTC has only given us a measly 8gig to use, which makes no sense IMO as my Captivate gave you 12. I hope the 16 gig nexus tab gives you more that
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Did you say it doesn't have desktop speed for the browser? It should. The review phone dog posted made it look pretty zippy. And btw isn't there an update to gingerbread on your Galaxy S?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Droff:
Speed is not too bad (usable), but not really a desktop experience (to me not even a netbook). When you load and update complex pages it is easy to notice the lag. But we sure all got spoiled a bit...

You can see some real life video comparisons of web performance on quad and dual core tablets and there is really not all that much difference there. It definitely looked much better in all those demo videos of quad core advantages that were posted before cpu launched.

I have tried several roms on my Galaxy S (vibrant) and downgraded to 2.2.

---------- Post added at 05:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:12 PM ----------

Exactly!

As far as MHL, no use for it at home, but on the road in the hotel room it does come in handy sometimes.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I will admit though the lack of an SD slot and mhl didn't really save Google any bucks so it doesn't make much sense. We all know very well the SD was due to Google's pushing of cloud services. As for mhl? I dunno, my understanding is the hardware is capable, all it would take is for Google to include it in the software, and they didn't. Did they ever give a reason? The SD isn't surprising though, after releasing 2 nexuses without one I knew it wasn't happening this time
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Xxul:
Dudes just plug a HDD of 1TB into the nexus and that solves your "first world" no-sd-memory problem
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] JOLiu:
Found an online deal at J&R (www.jr.com) where you can pre-order the 16GB version for $234 ($249, less a $15 coupon for July 4th). J&R does not charge tax or shipping. It is unclear whether you still get the $25 in Google Play credit if you purchase it from J&R v. from the Google Play store.

At that price, I bit. The only thing that initially held me back from the Nexus 7 was the lack of a microSD slot, as I found that I never used the pen on the Flyer, nor did I ever use the rear-facing camera.

EDIT: looks like J&R is either sold out or pulled the pre-sale.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
I ordered a Nexus 7 but am keeping my Flyer. I hope that Chaosz-x gets everything working (especially scrolling).
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
Worth reading

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ay-ghosting-just-take-a-look-at-these-photos/

Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'm keeping my flyer and eventually getting a nexus 7 too. I might still sell the flyer dunno yet, still undecided at this point
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jprednik:
cheap tab cheap quality?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Read the whole article
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Nah a few have some ghosting issues, but not all. Imo I'm not worried

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] eman3316@optonline.net:
Wrong thread....
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jprednik:
I did.

Again... u get what u pay... cheep sh.. :cowboy:

"Then again, for $200, we weren't expecting the world out of the Nexus 7's display,..."
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
Sounds like a BETAMAX owner.... in denial
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I doubt it's that bad. People are so picky about displays bah. I always thought my captivate screen was beautiful but there was so much criticism of the pentile display. But who cares? Maybe the nexus will work for you may be not. It's supposed to be a budget friendly tablet afterall

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Lmao
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
Article says it was preproduction unit, just posted link cause I thought it may be relevant to discussion

Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
My plan is to stick with the flyer for now. Really a big reason is the nexus isn't available yet too and I'd have to go a few weeks without a tablet. Also don't want to wait on shipping either. That being said if gamestop gets them I stock and I get to play with one I may change my mind quickly. I dunno on one hand I'd love to have a tablet with up to date hardware and software updates from google. On the other hand its still trading a old premium tab for a modern budget tab.

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bagelicious:
I'll wait and see who else steps up to the plate with a 7" tablet. It would make sense for other companies to follow suit and put out some tablets in the same price range. Surely they won't all come without sd cards.

Tablets are media consumption devices, right? That's what I see my View as. If that's the case, why cripple it by making it harder to store your own media on it?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Google wants to push cloud. They can say what they want about cost cutting measures but it's an sd slot. It probably cost pennies to add one. MHL I honestly believe was cut for Google to push sales of their pointless Nexus q device. Also I wouldn't be surprised come holidays they slash the current models by $50 and bring out a 32 gig model
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SciFlyer:
I'm keeping my Flyer. It's a nice size for carrying around to meetings.

I use my pen extensively.

I'm saving my money for a Microsoft Surface Pro. It will replace my 3 year old Fujitsu Lifebook convertible Win 7 tablet.

The Pro supports pen input too. It will be great with MS OneNote.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ftorres:
I'm keeping my flyer as well. With pen me course. :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Alright I sound like a broken record but I'm keeping the flyer in hopes to develop for it. I still plan on getting a Nexus 7 eventually but I'm not giving up on the flyer to get one.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
You realize how many times you have said this in this thread right? ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yes, yes I have. I think for me there is a part of me that's ashamed of myself for even thinking of giving up the flyer. I was excited as hell to find the deal I did on it. No doubt before l tried senseless and Lisbon I was about over it completely. And also the nexus 7 isn't perfect either what if I find a use for storage later? What if I do decide I want mhl at some point? It's a tough call and if it were in stores now and I could play with it now it might be an easier choice either way. So I'm just gonna stop posting in here, that's the best call for now

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Really would be easier to stop posting rubbish if I could just remove threads from my participated topics on the app. I see this thread and wanna chat more lol

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
you're alright with me man. but maybe you should save some of your energy for the one that's on the way;). I hope things are going well with that.:good:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
I was happy with my Flyer, Only problem is the screen and aluminium design it - I can't stand aluminium devices! Plus, no official ICS which is kind of why I decided to get one because of HTC's support teasing ICS then not releasing anything :(

I don't mind being without a tablet for a few weeks actually, already gone over a week without it :') I've also spent 2 weeks without one before when my Archos 80 G9 broke and I had to wait on the refund going into my account to order the Flyer haha.

As long as I have my phone and desktop I'm happy :')
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah definitely my biggest priority right now. The baby will be here no longer than Wednesday, but it could come anytime now

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Get your rest when you can lol my wife and I were up every 3 hours for diaper change or a feeding. But to be honest I would love to go back in time and do it all over again cause now he's going on 19months and I really miss when he was smaller.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah I've heard it can be rough. Luckily I don't have alot of issues falling back asleep, and hell I get up at 330 for work anyway. Still gotta admit I'm completely unsure how to handle it all, feeling all kind of emotions right now.

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Do you know what your having?

....or are you wanting to be surprised?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
No where close to being a parent myself(18) but I'm the second oldest of 8 so after watching my parent's deal with 6 younger siblings you sorta start to get to know the process. :P I think the long and short of it is just so long as you really want to have the kid, you'll do fine. Best of luck to you and your wife.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
I am definitely keeping my flyer and am resisting the urge to get the nexus 7. the flyer clearly fills all of my needs in a tablet (even on honeycomb as I am not much of a gamer). I just find myself looking for reasons to get the nexus 7. I have to continuously resist the urge of getting the latest and greatest just because it's out there. I am just hoping that the flyer can get an ice cream sandwich rom with working pen functionality. I really want to be able to use chrome browser on the flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
My main reason for the upgrade is, that I was sick of trying to download apps and getting the "This is not available on your device". I would have definitely kept the Flyer if it had a Tegra processor.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
yea good point. i was frustrated when that happens. now I need to justify that happening to me enough so that I can give my wife a valid reason for getting another gadget. what's funny is that she didn't want me spending money on the flyer in the first place. but after seeing the functionality of it she got one herself.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
60fps and total optimization of jelly bean, this is the experience we have all been waiting and wanting from android.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I know.... Your making it hard to keep the flyer lol.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
It's a boy
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
Gratz!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
And it's time. I was just about asleep too. It's gonna be a long night

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] whmcal:
Completely agree with Cor-master and previous posters. Seems hard to trade my premium design, multifunctional flyer for a budget, limited function/non-expandable tablet just because it is faster and newer.

Even if u were going for the Nexus because of the google play integration. Sadly (at least acc to pc world), on the international Nexus 7, you cannot download music, tv or magazines from google play. Imho, there are not too many gains to be had with Nexus 7.

Might be a nice budget beginner tablet for an older parent/grandparent's xmas /birthday present though.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah like trading a 2008 model alienware laptop for a brand new $300 budget Acer laptop or net book. Of course it's still a very nice tablet and I still kind of want one. I'd also like to see what else comes out too before I ditch the flyer too. I'm hoping maybe after getting alot of sales and production costs drop even more that maybe a 32 gig model will come out at the price of the current 16 just in time for holidays. I have to admit I like gaming on my flyer and the measly 8 gigs formatted they give you fills up quick and since you can't choose your install path like windows, an sd slot doesn't help you. That's the real oxymoron about the nexus 7, designed with gamers in mind with a measly means of storing them!

It's not surprising as storage is the easiest way to cut costs and its probably one of the most expensive components and the last time google had an sd on a nexus HTC made them. But if you wanna game the 16 gig is almost a must

Speaking of my flyer I'm going to be here at the hospital for a while I'm going to go grab it

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
İf it is about JB 4.1: can't make any promises, but İ think it will be much easier to get it up and running now that there is a working İCS tree. Simply put: if Desire HD gets it, odds for Flyer are >85%.