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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
We've been discussing whether or not we think the vivid will get it at the vivid /velocity /raider forum. Hard to say really. I could see htc cleaning the slate in their financial situation and only updating the one series. But on the other hand they'd almost have to ditch all their old phones if we don't get it. The desire hd imo is pretty old at this point though, I almost doubt it.

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
Unofficially ;) İf İCS trees are upstreamed to JB and everything still works, we can reproduce that. There wont be drastic changes in the kernel İ think, so if HD gets a custom ROM, İ should be able to bring it to the Flyer ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Awesome project butter on the flyer why even ever buy another tablet?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
LOL... create a new post when that will be running. LOL. That will happen when the Nexus 7 III comes out.

Keep saying it... It's still better. Just like a Betamax owner. In Denial.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
TidBit, do you know anything at all about ROM Development at all? JB will be much easier than İCS once the source code is available of JB by Google. My usual saying applies here: if you didn't do a better job than me on something, don't underestimate me.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Ignore him, he's trolling dude just trying to rile people up.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
So since I'm over complaining about my flyer I'm finding out I really like the thing. Ideally I'm thinking the perfect replacement would be a new one series tablet. No they don't exist ideally here's what I'd want: same screen and chipset as the nexus, android 4.1 jellybean with sense 4 tablet edition, polycarbonate body like the one series but classic htc rubber coated back for easy gripping, 16 gigs of storage with an sd slot for expansion, pen support, and a better rear camera sensor over the flyer. Price tag: $300.

Of course I'm not sure they'll ever enter the tablet market again. They'll be lucky if they exist next year right now, and that sucks. It'll be a dark day when htc bites the dust.

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
I apologize for this. It wasn't meant as a "knock" against you nor any developer. I was basically stating my frustrations with the HTC Flyer and HTC.

I had a FLYER and really enjoyed it. I didn't like the way HTC just "dumped" their product. Also, a lot of times, apps that I want to run, can't be used on the device.

Anyway, this will be my last post in the HTC Group, since I sold my Flyer and ordered a Nexus 7.

Peace out
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Hey I knew you were joking man don't worry about it.

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bazman70:
Flyer sold - Nexus on order

Just sold my 32GB Flyer on ebay, and ordered a 16GB Nexus. Sad to see it go, its a great tablet but for hardly any more money I get an up to date OS with amazing dev support for sure. I also expect future apps to be developed targeting the Nexus, as hopefully it sells really well

If only HTC didnt try and sell the Flyer for more than an iPad to start off with - what were they thinking? If it was close to the Nexus price, they would have sold bucket loads and could have been up there with Samsung.

Good luck with ICS/Jelly Bean/etc - Hopefully the Flyer will live on for a good while yet
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Really though in hindsight it was no more a failure than all the first gen android tablets. They were all overpriced imo and none sold well either. Also the flyer could easily sell for $200 now but a year ago alot less tablets sold thus higher production costs. But anyway good luck with the nexus its looking to be a great tablet!

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Lifehacker really puts everyone in there place and sums up the solution to android updates lol. Really it applies to the nexus 7 too

http://m.lifehacker.com/5924547/frustrated-by-android-fragmentation-just-buy-the-nexus-already

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] obaz:
Nexus 7 has only one advantage to flyer - firmware update support. Everything else are same , or even worse. As for me - flyer with stilus is better, whiteout it - almost the same. Yep I know new android (almost the same, almost without flash, innovation, lol), multicore CPU - but in raw it almost the same. I remember my old CPU which has 256mb of ram and 1ghz CPU and was fully cpable of running opera with flesh and so on. Something wrong with hardware utilization of android.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I think your autocorrect failed you with stimulus support and multicolored CPU lol. But yeah I hear ya its a mixed bag of chips with the nexus

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] obaz:
You must admit - it sound pretty. Imagine - " New nalaxy gexus - now with red CPU! Perfect match to your lipstick"
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
The only thing I don't like is the lack of expansion slot. I think that even 16Gb is too little storage, especially since a microSD card is very slim and would not take up much room.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah I don't need the sd but it is pretty crappy. I doubt it was cost either more Google's push for cloud storage.

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] obaz:
Btw - has nexus removabe battery, or not ?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
No, it has a fixed battery. I would not expect to see another removable battery in a tablet in the future. Even the smartphones are trending towards fixed batteries.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Droff:
I honestly think that this is because manufacturers trying to force customers to change their devices on regular basis (about every 2 years), instead of just replacing battery and using hardware that still satisfies all the needs (even without any upgrades). Their excuse is that they want device to be more solid or slimmer, but in my opinion this is only secondary cause. I'd rather have a thicker device with an option of removable battery or extended battery upgrade.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah I do hate the fact tabs have fixed batteries. The thin thing is just that an excuse, the galaxy s3 is one of the slimmest phones on the market and still manages a removable battery
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] obaz:
Looks like industry is regressing. I don't mind of razor max has nonremoovable batt - but it can last almost week. Google want us to live near powerplug ?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
This might feel like salt on a wound to some, maybe.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/07/11/htc-working-on-android-4-1-jelly-bean-tablet/
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Cool really. I like my flyer but it's just business in the end. Poor marketing and high price tags pretty much killed the flyer, view and the Jetstream. I'd be willing to give them another shot honestly. The one series is popular, hopefully they can find a way to make the new tablet cost effective and have the coolness of the one series

I'd like too think the they learned their lesson. All and all 2011 was just a bad year for HTC. The year they stopped innovating and started just releasing phones by the masses. I still wonder what they were thinking with the HTC Status... Lol who needs a status update button for Facebook?

So hmmm.... Maybe a new tablet with a unibody polycarbonate white shell, 2 sets of the new hardware buttons laid out like our Flyer, an all new sense 2.0 for tablets and pen support? I just wonder how well they can make a quality tablet for less money. Samsung made a nice tablet with the gtab2 but Samsung is one of the largest companies in Korea, and Google is well Google, and there's already speculation that the Nexus is being sold at a loss and subsidized by the play store. Both Google’s and Samsung have deeper pockets than htc. I plan be following the new tab closely. I dunno if I'll give up my flyer for a Nexus but I might be willing to give it up for a flyer 2!

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Well sounds like it's a 10 inch tablet which is a deal breaker imo. Bummer

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
So glad my wife broke my flyer and got me a nexus 7 in its place, its so much lighter and faster.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
My Nexus 7 arrived today! It's amazing. Really - No words to describe how nice it is to use!

Quick thank you to the developers who made my Flyer better ;-)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bazman70:
Had my Nexus 7 a couple days now, and prefer it to Flyer for a few reasons: higher res, better screen, better os, nicer to hold (flyer aluminum too slippery), bit smaller and lighter, tegra 3 for games (same as my one x which is handy)

If you don't need pen, 3g or sdcard then I recommend to go for it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Thanks for the input guys. I'm still debating it myself. I just hate to leave the community here, but at the same time I'm picky about lag and I was hoping for a pc like Web browsing experience with the flyer and didn't get that, though it's pretty close with senseless. Part of me says keep the flyer and see how development goes, another part of me days "Ah come on Cory you've wanted a nexus device since the original nexus one treat yourself!"
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
I've not seen any lag whatsoever yet! It really is smooth. This is my first Nexus device too! I've always wanted one but something else better came out and put me off it haha. If you can find a person willing to buy it for a reasonable price I'd say go for it, The Flyer sounds good on paper, but lacks when you use it in person unfortunately
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah I wanted a nexus one when they came out but only way to get one cheap was to switch to tmobile and I just signed a 2 year for a crappy Samsung Eternity and then I read about the so called beast of a phone, the galaxy s, and how AT&T was rumored to get it, and they didn't get that exact model but they got the Captivate, a Galaxy S based phone, so I went for that instead. After dealing with update delays and no ics for it and being disappointed in how laggy it was I decided I wanted a Galaxy Nexus next, but I didn't want to switch carriers, and I got sick of my captivate and well I settled on an HTC Vivid. A month later Google announced they were selling it on the play store for $400, maybe a day or 2 after my 30 day grace period. I muttered a 4 letter word that began with an F. Probably would of upgraded to iphone 4ses for me and my wife for ebaying so I could of gotten a nexus! My vivid is a good phone but definitely development is weak as you think the flyer has issues, you gotta open up the casing and use a wire to achieve s off! It got ics but it's newer than a nexus and hitting eol status on other carriers so I doubt I'll ever see any more updates. But really the real crime isn't the phone, it's 2 more years of financial obligation to at&t... Ugh. I get fed up with the Vivid i can get a nexus easily but I still am stuck with atts crappy data plans, and data caps and price gouging till March of 2013.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
That's one thing that I would hate about living in the US - Carrier specific hardware like the Captivate and Skyrocket.. Samsung have really shown they're serious about taking over Apple by releasing only one design under one name with only different radio chipsets and whatnot! Why I'm really happy with the UK's networks, They all use inter-compatible phones and network bands etc, If I wanted to I could cancel my contract with Three for a fee and switch to any network I want haha.

Is the Vivid a completely new phone or based on the Sensation or whatever? With my Sony Ericsson Live with Walkman I had to get a copper wire and attach it to a safety pin then take off the sticker and touch a metal testpoint to unlock the bootloader! Really annoying! T-Mobile seem to be the network to go to in the US, Nice phones and reliable coverage from what I've heard..

Can you upgrade early with AT&T? March 2013 isn't bad! I'm stuck with Three for another 13 months, I upgraded nearly exactly this time last year (July 22) so I have until August '13 haha. I get 100 minutes which I never really use, Unlimited texts and 500mb data with a Galaxy Ace (Which smashed :( ) for £15 a month (~ $23) which is really good for what I use.. If I want too I can upgrade to completely unlimited AYCE (all you can eat) data for an extra £3 (~ $4/5) a month!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
It's sensation based with an lte modem. It has several other names too, ie Raider, Holiday, Velocity. Yeah I can upgrade after 18 months, but I'm about ready to ditch contracts and commitments to save money. And Lte is overrated. It's a ploy for more carrier control imo. You get ludicrous fast speed at the cost of battery life and a data cap that negates the speed anyway,and carriers seem to be able to call more shots with the phones that use it. Oh it's March of 14 when my service contract ends with at&t, I'm apparently living in 2011 lol
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
Ah thought so, HTC use the same device many many times haha! Yeah I personally couldn't care less about LTE, HSPA is fact enough for me! I haven't even got EDGE where I live, just GPRS unfortunately haha. Three have DC-HSDPA which is fast enough too..

We aren't getting 4G until at least next year maybe longer because they're turning off Analogue TV to make room for 4G and the switchover is happening where I live in October some time haha.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
If you have just the one phone, I think the penalty for cancelling a contract is only $200. But that is per line, so if you have multiple phones it gets expensive.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah it was pretty cheap actually until July of 2010. Yeah there new family data plans have me furious. Mainly because I was hoping to save some money on them. Right now I pay for 2 gigs per line at $25 a line on both lines. New data plan is 1 gig for $40....but it gets worse. That's just the first line. There is a $45 fee per line, so that's $85 for 1 gig!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
From what I've read, those plans are optional; one can still use the old pricing if desired. The other company implementing this pricing (Verizon, I think) does not offer options - the new pricing is the only one offered.

My plans give 2 Gb per month for $20 (T-Mobile) per phone. Ive never even used 1 Gb so far...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah but I was hoping for something like gigs for 30 across both lines. Either way straight Talk is the answer in the future. I can use atts network with unlimited everything for $60 a line, just have to have my own phone, and I will ;-)

Sorry I went so far off topic but yeah I am sick of carrier phones. They are raping android, and ruining the fun imo. My captivate was almost like a nexus in the regards of hack ability and community support, hell they already got early cm10 builds up. But the vivid kind of shows where android is headed. Bloatware you can't delete, missing features from 4.0 and the worst part, inability to take matter into your own hands with updates because of locked bootloaders and things like HTC and their s stuff. My captivate started on 2.1,and actually got 2 updates and went eol on gingerbread, but my vivid probably won't see jelly bean. Carrier android phones are slowly but surely becoming the new feature phones. And with our crappy support from htc on our tablet I can't in good faith recommend anything without the nexus brand name on it. You will get your updates quicker than any manufacturer, you will have pure aosp android, and millions of custom roms, tweaks, themes, and hacks to choose from.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
I was calculating that with the Verizon offering I could actually have three phones with unlimited text, talk, and internet, plus two other talk and unlimited text, for just about what I now pay for T-Mobile with the limited internet on the three phones. So sometimes it might make sense for certain people.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
The lack of storage is the only thing holding me back

Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
How much memory are you currently using?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
At the moment about 20 gb but that fluctuates. I also like being able to move my sd cards back and forth between devices

Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
How can you have unlimited data when under the new plans Verizon has made a point of ending unlimited data and having data in buckets?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kardain:
Grandfathered perhaps?

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
Oh okay. but that would mean that they aren't buying any new phones subsidized. For five phones that's a pretty penny.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
It's not grandfathered, can't be if he's on tmobile. And only sprint has truly unlimited data, but the catch is cdma, in which you almost have no choice but to subsidize your phone, and they have complete control of every device, and all phones are useless on every other network.

I'll give tmobile some credit, you can actually save money owning your own phone. See they claim subsidizing phones is what drives up your monthly bill yet if you buy your own phone or finish your contract and keep what you have, you still pay what everyone pays on at&t and Verizon. Sprint is more forgivable since it's the cheapest network
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
yea that's right, it couldn't be that he is talking about being grandfathered into Verizon's unlimited data plan because he said he is currently on T-Mobile. the way I see it there is no way that any of Verizon's plans work out cheaper than tmobile's. believe me I have checked. I am currently on T-Mobile (4 smartphones) after switching from Verizon (over 10 years but didn't have any smartphones). the reason why I switched was because once I entered the smartphone world the price for 4 was outrageous on Verizon as opposed to T-Mobile. now with Verizon's new plans it still cost more (when you equally compare the data amount) with the added danger of being charge for overages.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Verizon always seemed to have the coolest phones but I never could get the price I wanted. I'm a lowes employee and we get a helacious discount from Verizon, like 20% off the plan and 20% off data for the first line and its still 20 bucks more than what I pay from att. But I don't want Verizon or sprint anyway now because of their stupid cdma crap. You pretty much have to subsidize through them and your phone is worthless on any other carrier
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
My company iPhone is with Verizon. AT&T is so much better in the NYC/long island area
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deaglecat:
Well my 16Gb Nexus 7 arrived today.

I sold the flyer for £100. The pen for £20. The nexus cost £189 (£167 if I allow for the various discounts, points and cashbacks).

So £47 to change devices.

The original HTC white case that I had left over also fits the Nexus.

It is awesome. No issues with screen raise etc.

I am never going to buy a non-Nexus device and risk being at the mercy of manufacturers support indifference again. I wish HTC good luck with their next tablet.. but I will not be giving them my custom again.

Good luck with the ROMs guys - self help is the best plan at this stage !
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
Well, maybe I calculated wrong. I read that Verizon had unlimited data for $80 dollars, plus $40 per phone. Is this wrong?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
$80 gets you a bucket of 6GB to share on all of the devices with unlimited talk and text.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
The per device fee is highway robbery! I hate that crap. Kinda like the $20 a line shared family plans.... Why does it cost anything per line? I have family texting, it's 30 bucks flat! That how it should all be!

This is definitely why I'm done with carriers, any way to nickle and dime you.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] duglas:
I have had my Nexus since Monday and I do like it better than My Evo View. BUT, the Nexus 7 is missing a rear camera and a SDcard slot, which really sucks.. The rear camera is only for videoing the kids or letting my kids play with, but it sucks that it is missing.. Also, I only got the 8gb Nexus 7 because I preordered on 6/27/12 and that was all that I could order..

But I have an Evo View, Acer A500, T-Mobile Simmed Tab 7", Transformer Prime, HTC Flyer, Touchpad, Ipad3 and I have not been able to put the Nexus Tablet down.. I do not even use my Galaxy S3 much anymore, only for phone calls... So it is a good unit, nice screen and screaming fast...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Wow lol like tabs much? Though I probably would have a nice collection now too if I wasn't married lol
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] duglas:
I am married too, almost 15 years.. I just own an IT company so I use the excuse that I need to buy them to test and learn them for when customers call me looking for help setting them up.. This was true on the Ipad 3, not so much when I sold the Transformer for the Transformer Prime.

I have 3 kids also so they have taken over 3 of them, all 7"... Flyer, Evo View and Amazon Fire.

But my wife thinks they are dumb and would rather do everything on her PC or HTC Sensation phone.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Any of the reported defects showing up yet? Screen debonding? Light leaks?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lekhwani:
And, what about USB on the go? Can't it work as USB host?

I believe our flyer may support a 64 gb card, as mostly all high end devices supporting 32 gb cards usually are able to support 64 gb cards.

So, one can have close to 100 gb storage on flyer vis a vis 8 gb on nexus 7.

This is the main thing which is making it a less attractive to me. I mean more storage should have been thrown into it to utilise its quad core tegra 3.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lekhwani:
Also, I am just bothered about scrolling issue on chaosz's ics version. Once its fixed, it will beat the hell out of every rom and device on earth.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah I think one of the big things keeping me on the flyer is I could easily get $200 between my psp and flyer but I want the 16 gig version. Mainly because of game data. I already filled up my 8 gig partition on my 16 gig flyer with game data and had to re access what I was playing and what i wasn't and delete some games and data to make it work. The 8 gigs isn't enough, and I know on my roomies gtab2 he's got only 5 gig to work with. Our Flyers are partitioned weird too, my Samsung Captivate with 16 gig gave 12 gig to the user, 2 gig for internal which is around 14 gig total which is about right when you format 16 gigs. Our flyer has a massive unnecessary 4 gig partition for internal, 8 gig for storage, and 2 gigs that are just missing.

Anyway I can understand Google not wanting an sd slot on phones but they should of put one on a tablet. It's a pc by all means, you wouldn't buy a windows 7 laptop with an 8 gig hardrive and no usb ports or card reader would you? Because it's essentially what your getting with the nexus 7.

But I did find on my flyer that other than game data I really didn't need an sd slot as I got all my music on the cloud and 9 times out of 10 I'm in a wifi zone anyway
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
Oversized 1GB on SYSTEM, and internal is 8.69, which makes 13.69, add some /cache, and you get to that 14.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sonus:
Just our of curiosity, what sort of functionality are you guys seeking with the Nexus that you don't get on the Flyer? I can think of loads of things I can do with my Flyer, but not with the Nexus 7... but the same doesn't hold true when I try and find any new functions I'll gain with the Nexus 7.