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[HTC Sensation] nlooooo:
You've already said that you don't understand most of the stuff that you've red here (hboot, s-off...). So, do you really think that you know enough to speak like that about people here are proving that something is missing from HTC?

Sensation is my 5th HTC phone and I can say that it's the best hardware with lousy official support. With most phones I had more trouble with official upgrades than XDA roms and some of those are

- Desire - GB update came stripped with just a few things that were offered with custom roms

- Incredible S - official ICS update had a lot of graphic glitches and used a lot of RAM

- Desire X - well known problem with JB update and Beats Audio

- Desire HD - the same hardware as Desire S and Incredible S never got ICS update

Do you need more?

PS. How many phones got official KitKat update, and how many have a descent KitKat based custom rom?
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
9.2k is my antutu score. Even if the drivers are better(which I still doubt because come on HTC made this phone thousands of engineers work there, couldnt they know how to make a better driver?) hardware is still the same so how is this going to impact games? Lets say can you play asphalt 8 fluently?(+24 fps average) If yes in which settings?

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Yes im completely new to this stuff. Lousy official support is one of the reasons that makes me want to buy an iphone. Even the 3-4 year old iphones got the iOS 7 unfortunately this effects all of the android phones except google ones. They release a new flagship and completely forget the old one but then the shiny free world of android pulls me back in. Wish only just a few android phones were released per year everything would be better.

Edit: (somehow tapatalk ignored last two paragraphs now i have to rewrite)

I dont specifically care about other phones' lousy support. I own an HTC sensation and thats all concerns me I'm happy with HTC's official ICS release. It is great, flawless and it doesnt lag like GB did. I'd be much happier if they had released JB too but it's ok.

A few, it will increase over time but can you show one flawless kitkat rom for htc sensation?
[HTC Sensation] Skipjacks:
Okay buddy, you are starting to get insulting to this community and we don't care for it. You are basically accusing ROM developers of stealing private data in an earlier post. That is a pretty severe charge that you should have some proof of before levying the charge.

Now you are saying developers do crummy work because brand new cutting edge ROMs made with source code that has been available for about a month aren't perfect. Well no kiddin'.

You don't understand what any of this stuff means so don't make drastic conclusions about it.
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Noo, dont get me wrong I am not insulting the community. I totally respect them :)

I wasnt accusing I never accused, I just couldnt believe how could you trust those devs soo much, while they can steal all your info and you wouldnt even realise it.

Yea even the latest ViperS rom has a bunch of bugs and problems.

I was just asking questions/your opinions thats all, not concluding anything.
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Sorry, what are the bunch of problems and bugs of the latest ViperS?

See the Asphalt 8 demo at ViperS 5 thread, a link to youtube.

By the way, you think developers are just writing drivers? Is that really what you think? I'm saying this as you said they can't write better as HTC does. But building a kernel or cooking a ROM doesn't mean re-writing drivers. That's actually a rare work, like 3.4.10 kernel which wasn't released for the Sensation, so some parts needed to be re-written. Other than this, developing can be adding extra tweaks, porting a ROM that is not released for the target phone, raising or lowering CPU/GPU frequencies to get better performance or battery life out of the same hardware, removing extra things that bottleneck the phone or make it heavier, or even adding some new innovations like thermal daemon that prevent phone from over heating by lowering the CPU freq at higher temperatures, etc.

You haven't even tried one these BUGGY ROMs/kernels, and yet, you condemn their developers. Judge when you'd experience enough of'em, alright?

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Just head to android development and you will see the bugs, i cant write them down here.

CPU/GPU frequencies are already in their perfect spot. The line between performance, battery power and heat. Overclock it and your phone will overheat, battery health will degreade. Dont you think HTC wouldnt increase frequencies if he could? XE has the same CPU but with higher frequencies but it is designed to be like that. It probably has better cooling solutions and of course better battery. Better drivers if possible is good but oc it and you will risk your phone. What bottlenecks the cpu may i ask?

I actually am excited to try something new such as rom but from what i can see it is hard, buggy, unnecessary and just doesnt worth it.
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
I'm already using the ROM, no need to go there and see what the bugs are.

Regular Sensation and Sensation XE are the same in hardware as far as all know, except their batteries and stock frequencies (and a little appearance, is this the better cooling solution?!).

I'm not a developer to know what is unneccessary, but being involved in kernel updates and consequently their changelogs suffices.

If you don't get along with the new Sense based JBs, tell me what big thing (except burst mode not being stable, which is not that big really, you can use a 3rd party app if very neccessary) is wrong with for example Inspiration 1.0.1 then?

Developing is not an illegal action, if everyone was sure that the manufacturers themselves do the best possible job, then Android wouldn't be open-source, nor Linux would; what do you think? Why do you suppose they're open for developing?

Regarding the balance between performance and battery life, the goodie in custom ROMs/kernels is that you can adjust it, as well as OOM values, for your current needs. For example, you're on a trip, and you don't have something to do with the phone which takes its breath away, like heavy gaming, and all you need is the battery lasting longer. So you lower the frequency, or even the given voltages until you have a heavy process to do. You have a brain. We all do. Maybe we shouldn't sometimes let the phone do whatever the hell it wants, as it thinks. ;)

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Twitter for HTC Sense doesn't work due changed API and HTC did int update it for ICS rom's

[*]Camera burst mode doesn't work properly each time...

[*]Beats notification doesn't appear on first boot,

[*]Sweep to sleep is little buggy

And the most important of all of them a wifi bug some user had.

Plus why would I use an ICS rom while i can have JB? This is supposed to make my phone better, isnt it? Not to jump on the same space....

Yea, same hardware but you stil dont know the insides. Maybe XE has better thermal paste or better/more heatsinks.

Nothing wrong with development, if anything it should be supported.

CPU already automatically downlocks when it doesnt need power. There is no need to that.

What do you think, what is the best rom out there? Just wondering...
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
In Inspiration, Twitter doesn't work, why? Because of HTC. You've already quoted. Sweep to wake doesn't work smoothly. Have you seen that ability on the phone's stock kernel? Also, you can use another kernel that has S2W flawless. So, do you think anything is broken? Plus, Inspiration in based on 4.0.4 with Sense 4.1, and is not the same as stock 4.0.3 with Sense 3.6, is it? Also, wifi fix has been invented.

I know, Sense 5 performs astonishingly better. I recommended an ICS ROM as you weren't speaking good about them. Otherwise, ViperS 5.0.0 is superb. I posted its AnTuTu score, you saw. There's Asphalt 8 demo so that you see how it is. The UI is much more beautiful. It works faster, too. Although, I don't ignore minor problems, but not many of them actually bother me.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Yea but twitter works fine on me.

You see, thats problem. For every problem, I have to do another risky and confusing steps to fix it and what if they dont fit into each other? What if one one kernel fixes something and screws the other one?

Really? There arent any major differences between them.

Wifi issue which is extemely important unlike above is terrible, same answer for above.

I dont want an ICS rom, I dont even want a new rom but if I had to switch a new one I'd switch to kit kat or at least jelly bean based rom.

Like what? What kind of problems does it have?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
None of those fixes will do anything harmful. None.

Despite some amazing abilities like self-powered USB OTG (which Sensation hadn't ever seen in its dreams until Sense based JBs came) and those I wrote above, it has a little problem. well, its most important ones have been written. But I haven't shot even one panorama or used burst mode even once with the stock camera app since I'm using it. But there's a light color distortion in camera while showing a plain texture like an absolute white wall, but it's not that much. It still captures great photos. Plus, I posted an issue in which when I tried to share a photo directly from the stock Gallery app to Google Plus Photos, it gave me an FC (force close), but no one confirmed me. Either no one saw my post (while it surely has been seen, as someone quoting it answered part of it), or no one has my issue and it is on my side.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
What is self powered usb OTG?

I dont use burst mode but ise panorama time to time it is actually nice :) What is wrong with it?

Can you give an example shot to that color distortion? (I dont use camera a lot but i somestimes need it)

Did that just happen once? If it happens rarely its ok.

Does your browser force close? (Probably due to lack of ram)

How is ram management? Like how much free ram do you have? Ram is probably one of the biggest issues on this phone.
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Self-powered USB OTG (On the go) is the ability with which you can have a flash memory, a keyboard or a mouse etc to your phone with a simple short cable, without needing an external power source, just the phone itself.

RAM management probably hasn't ever been this good on Sense based ROMs. Also, you can use swap spaces as well - i.e. create .img files in wasted internal space of the phone to be used as a help to RAM.

Panorama is said to capture only two shots with the stock camera app, but actually right now I captured four - if I'm not wrong... :-\ and I believe it's reeeaally wider than previous Sense ROMs...!

I haven't ever got a browser FC by the way.

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[HTC Sensation] Skipjacks:
Oh for the love....

This is now Windows. This is Linux. In Linux, free RAM is counterproductive. You do not want loads of free ram. Having free ram will increase cpu usage which will lower battery life and performance of the phone.

Linux stores everything in ram so that when you want to access it again its instantly available without having to pull it from storage. This makes it load faster and reduces the workload of the cpu to search for it. While it is not being used in ram it is dormant.

If another app needs that ram in the mean time Linux does an outstanding job of purging memory to free up resources quickly and smoothly.

Don't bash the phone for not having enough free ram. Its not supposed to have free ram.

And the Sensation XE has better thermal paste? WTF? There is no thermal paste. Thermal paste transfers heat from a processor to a cooling fan or radiator. There are neither of these on any phone. Its a chip on the circuit board, end of story. No cooling devices = no thermal paste.

You admit you know nothing about this stuff, yet act like you are right and we are the crazy people. That is so arrogant you must be doing this just for laughs. In which case the joke is stale now. Please stop so this thread can get back on track.

If you are serious, please just go buy an iPhone. Its just what you want. Its underpowered hardware running software that doesn't maximize its potential. The manufacturer loves its customers to think they couldn't possibly improve on the stock software design. And they go to extreme methods to prevent anyone from modifying anything. And I hear they use the best thermal paste available for their processors......they just lather the whole board in that stuff.

Sent from your phone. You should be more careful where you leave that thing.
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
I am still not sure buuuut my warranty ended anyway soooo how do i this?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
And a picture for the color issue is attached (kinda purplish white at the center), for free RAM too - this is caught a while ago, at normal usage. I forgot at the former post and it does not let me attach to it.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
What I was trying to say is I dont want my stuff closed because of the lack of ram.

So basically there is nothing to protect the CPU/GPU from heat?

Yea I know nothing but I'm eager to learn....kinda. I didnt mean to be arrogant.

As i said earlier a part of me tellms to buy an iphone but i think i will wait till iPhone 6. iOS fluent its stability is much better and most importantly games and apps are much better written than on Android. Android is like PC and iPhone is like a game console. It has its exclusives, games are much better developed on them and some games came earlier to iPhone and much later to Android aaand you can always jailbreak for freedom ;) and it is not as hard and risky as Android.

But I still want to try :)

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Does that happen when you take pictures close or always?

My total ram on stock rom is 583 MB. Yours is 569 MB kinda sad but ok.

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WOW self powered USB OTG looks cool. Does it work properly?
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
why are you still answering this guy??? yes, 4.0.3 with sense 3.6 is the best, you have it, and leave this "rocket science" to us on xda, ics is the best! my god...

edit: you are telling us you dont have otg on stock rom?? wow..

if you do decide to s-off and everything else, watch out ,your phone can explode
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
As i said i want to "do it" can you like help or dont bother at all please?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Start on your own responsibility.

Go here:

http://htcdev.com

Unlock your bootloader through given instructions, and feedback what you did here.

Have a look at here as well:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1192300

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[HTC Sensation] pera987:
no, i cant help you, you can read thread, everything is there, read, and you wont have problems...
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Problem is there are many guides, and you dont know which one to do first or how...
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
1. Unlock your bootloader

2. Root the phone (your stock ROM)

3. Install a recovery (4ext, if you don't do the next step)

4. Get s-off (this means to set your bootloader security to off; which is not neccessary but easing)

5. Make a backup of your current ROM (just to be certain)

6. Install a custom ROM through the recovery

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
I couldnt even do this. "fastboot" is not recognised as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
That's because there's no fastboot.exe to be executed. Download adb and fastboot stuff.

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[HTC Sensation] Skipjacks:
I heard that every time an Android is rooted, a kitten dies.
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
www.htcdev.com wants me to download something like that. It doesnt work. When i plug the USB i get the yellow triangle error "USB not recognised"

It wants me to type : "fastboot oem get_identifier_token." in cmd
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
I know. But fastboot.exe and adb.exe files are something else. I think they exist here at xda. Go to the development section, at the very tops.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
I hadnt even imagined this could be that stressful and im just on the first step. I just cant do anything. It says HTC sync is a prerequisite and i cant even get it to recognise my phone. Is it really necessary? Every time i plug my phone in bootloader a yellow triangle tells me USB driver couldnt be loaded and it is faulty. Htc dev says me to type that into cmd and nothing happens.

Completely unrelated i stil cant add funds to my wallet on psn for the 100th time, i think it has a mind on his own and works when he wants what a stressful day.
[HTC Sensation] Mile_zdr:
for unlocking with htcdev watch this video maybe will help you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_VSD7xdWc
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
God the accent... i will bear it for the sake of unlocking the bootloader

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OK that did something the instructions on htcdev were different than those on the video. htcdev was missing some directions(srsly htc? wtf?!)

now when i type it in the cmd i get < waiting for device > and of course nothing happens...at least there is some progression...
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Wow I did it :) after all that wasted hours and hardwork, i did it :D now lets see if its worth it :)

Soooo rooting phone is next. Any links?

Wait should i first use that juo(something)bear s-off method? or did i do that from htcdev? hboot 1.27 fw 3.32.468.51
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1870233

This guide tells me to 1.unlock bootloader 2. S-off 3. Recovery 4.root

And when i click the link to do step 2 it says "requirements..root"

Also link to download juo....bear is removed. Why?
[HTC Sensation] Wayneb73:
Google is your friend!!! Why can't people research?
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
I did and the guides are like mix-match: recovery, s-off, root. Every guide i find has a different way of flashing rom. It is annoying. Cant there bu just one true way??

Also it looks like i cant do this juo.....bear method because i have 8.1 and my computer doesnt recognise bootloader on USB 2.0 it only works on 3.0
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
I wrote you that s-off is not neccessary. If you unlocked bootloader, then root and install 4ext touch recovery.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Some guides say recovery earlier but OK. Do i miss anything by not doing s-off? How should i root? I mean there are too many ways to root...?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Without s-off you just have to use either a computer for flashing a kernel, or turn smartflash on (an option in 4ext recovery advanced menu) right before you flash a ROM.

Try using ERoot. It's a simple software, Chinese (or maybe Japanese, dunno) though. Just plug in your phone when USB debugging is on, and click the green button with a dash (-) before its caption.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Wow so i have superuser app in the all apps. Am i rooted now? Wow easier than expected. recovery next? How?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Yes, you're rooted. Now head to 4ext touch recovery thread, download the file.

Turn off your phone, pull the battery and re-insert it. Then hold volume down button and press the power button. The come screen is called hboot. There are your bootloader details written, too. So, plug your phone to your PC, with volume buttons navigate onto FASTBOOT and press power button. Now, put the downloaded recovery image beside adb and fastboot stuff, and command this:

fastboot flash recovery FILENAME.img

File name is probably recovery.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Done. Thanks :) It tells me to enable smartflash.

Enabled smartflash. Backing up current rom. It needs 900 MB of free space. So flashing rom next? Am i done? Wow
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Yeah. After the backup is done, make sure smartflash is still on. Then go to wipe and format section, wipe all except sd card. Then go to install from sd and choose the ROM, selecting install without wipe in the Aroma installer.

So which ROM did you finally choose to install?

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
I want to try ViperS because of sense 5! :D but still your opinions are highly appreciated :)

On the ViperS title it says "Venom Kernel flasher for S-ON user's:"

Do i have to do anything with that? Also what is Aroma installer?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Venom kernel flasher eases your work of flashing a kernel through fastboot, but you still need a computer, and if you don't want to, then everytime you wanted to install a ROM or a kernel, enable smartflash right before the process (smartflash is set to off again after every reboot).

ViperS 5 is what I recommend, too. :) then you'll notice the improvements yourself.

Aroma installer is like a setup wizard on Windows, provides options to be chosen, while installing.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
I was about flash ViperS but i am not connected to a PC. Do i need to be connected? Do i need aroma?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
No! As I told you, smartflash does the job without venom kernel flasher. Also, aroma installer is not something required seperately. It's already implemented on the ROM installer zip.

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Ok, i wiped cache, dalvik and battery. Install from sd card selected ViperS zip aaaand a few lines then installation aborted :( why?
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Wipe data and system too.

Oh really? First try again.

If flunked, check the downloaded zip's md5 sum, and see if it matches the md5 posted on ViperS thread next to download link or not.

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[HTC Sensation] terrybear2k:
currently using 4.3 with triple swap activated, plus ram expander. my sensation has never been smoother :good: :victory:
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
You mean wipe data/factory reset? What is mid5 sum? How to check it?
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
no, he means wipe everything except sd card, that is option in wipe option in 4ext..do that! md5 sum is some nuber/letter combination, you have also option in 4ext recovery to check md5 of zip Venom5, and if it doesnt match with one in venom thread download again.. man, you have to read something too, cant ask for eeeeevery little thing here, dont get me wrong but this isnt chat for you to ask 40 questions in row on how to install custom rom.. peace
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
Yes, I mean that.

There's its option in 4ext, under install zip from sd card, right before you select your desired zip. Didn't you try again?

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[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
Yes that number was different. I downloaded it again now things are fine it asks for max cpu and gpu speed? What should I pick?

Also thanks!!!!