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[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] VitaZora:
If you want to have access to the latest Android OS updates then the Nexus 7 would definitely be your best bet.

If you want to try out custom ROMs then I would definitely go with the Nexus 7. It gets a lot of support from Developers. The Tab, not so much love. And Samsung has a history of not upgrading their devices in a timely manner. They will usually release a new device with the most recent OS before they upgrade the devices many of us own.

If you care more about the hardware, then it is more complicated. The build quality of the Galaxy Tab Plus is superb. It feels like a high end device next to the Nexus 7. In that case, I'd say go with the Tab. But the hardware specs alone would give the advantage to the Nexus 7.

The Tab has both a front and back facing camera and if that matters to you then go with the Tab.

The 16GB Tab also has expandable storage. And if that matters you'd definitely want to go with the Tab.

It is always a matter of personal preference and how much access to customization you want.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] playah_balla:
With "a matter or personal preference" being said, i coudn't agree more. We only stated the pros and cons.

If you really want the JB and tegra 3 with a $200+ price tag then go for nexus 7.:)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] carlosmeldano:
just to be correct

I bought my P6210 a few weeks ago for $290 (In Europe), compared to the 16GB Nexus 7 for $250.

But, in Europe, the price is €250 for Nexus 7, that is $300+.

With the lack of external SD card, it not that big deal, I think.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] playah_balla:
thanks for informing us that the price in Europe is more expensive than in U.S.

16gb in U.S. costs about 249. + 9% percent tax (depends on the location)... around $271-275.

just a guesstimate.

external SD is a big deal for gamers, people who are fond of watching/taking videos HD (offline),

you can switch sd cards with different contents when you're on the go, right?

nexus 7 is for people who want a powerful tablet with an affordable price.

but of course there will always be a catch.

took away the cam.. without 4g/phone function and the external sd slot?

if they brought all of these on the table, the price would be a different story.

all about preference.

i want it too. but i will never give up my beloved p6200 coz of it's function lacking in the famous n7.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] rp3:
My thoughts

I have plenty of thoughts on this. I had the 7.0+ from early April until early June. I sold it and bought a used Transformer Prime off ebay (which is being replaced by Best Buy with an Infinity). I also bought a Nexus 7 on day one.

I have used the dual tablet ownership over the past few weeks for a family experiment. My wife wants a Tablet but likes Apple alot. She'd previously used a Nook Color running ICS. I gave her two weeks of the Transformer Prime followed up by two weeks of the Nexus 7. At the end of those 4 weeks, I'd sell the Android tablet I didn't like (keeping one for me) and be set to either preorder a new Apple 7.9 or get her the 9.7. I setup her phone to BT tether internet on a button press so she could use the tablets in NYC during the day.

The Nexus 7 is a powerful tablet and quite cool in having the newest software and best development. The issues I found with it compared to the SGS7+ are as follows: It's thicker. The thinness of the 7.0 plus was a major feature and it always felt like a premium device. I had the Sikai case which was recommended on the forums and, with the case, the 7.0+ felt right no matter the situation. As my phone has gotten thinner (Sensation >> TMo SGS3) the extra thickness sticks out even more. The video camera on the Nexus 7 is crap. I never used the back camera of the 7.0+ so I can't give any feedback there. The screen is not as bright on the Nexus 7. I don't like the power button placement which may one day make me enable using the volume to wake up the tablet (which I've never done on a phone or tablet before). The MicroSD card slot is a major issue as I use between 25-35GB of local space between internal and external storage and didn't use the cloud.

Pro Nexus: The micro USB power is so much more useful than the samsung cable... especially when all the phones in the house use the same cable. The higher resolution screen is good... really good for THD/HD apps which have been built around the Tegra 2/3 + 1280x800 specs. The JB operating system, specifically Google Now, is useful. I use the same alternative launcher on the Nexus 7 as I did the 7.0 plus. The extra space on the sides of the tablet works well with games. The Tegra 3 is faster (20-30%) and not having to setup chainfire is cool. Since we are all XDA readers, lurkers, writers or developers here... we know having the larger community of owners and developers is great.

It's sort like comparing a low end BMW 3 coupe to a High end Camaro V8. Made with different priorities but each good at it's specialty.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Fire Witch:
Glad I didn't buy the N7. My Tab 7+ works so well I decided to Wait. So I had $ when I saw the Note 10.1 and bought it. It seems that Samsung has stolen my heart away from Asus.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] VitaZora:
I know this is an old thread but thought it worth it to provide one more update. I played around with the Nexus 7 for a while and although I loved the higher screen resolution, speedy processor, and easy upgrades to JB and beyond, I did not like the lack of a micro SD card slot, the lack of a back camera, and generally sloppy build quality. So, long story short, a few weeks ago, I sold the Nexus on Ebay and kept my beloved P6210.

Absolutely no regrets.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] ALD3:
I also have both, P6210 and Nexus 7 32g. I agree also on liking the P6210 over all. No micro sdcard is a real turn off on any tablet. That was the reason that I didn't like the Galaxy GT-7510, was no micro sdcard. I also don't find the Nexus 7 performance that much better than the P6210.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] kevintangi:
Btw nexus 7 got many bugs and got worse in jelly bean 4.2
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] idevice12345:
Google can easily fix those bugs
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] btk467:
Just got GN7 a few days ago and compared with my GT-6210.

I did not find any big visual performance improvements. A few wrinkles are here:

1. Speaker sounds distorted on the volume > 50%

2. LCD size is smaller than on GT-6210 (174 mm vs 178 mm)

3. Stereo Speakers GT-6210 vs mono speaker on GN7

I am returning GN7 to Staples.

Will wait when Samsung updates GT-6210 to JB. Hopefully Sam will do it. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] thangbithit:
Galaxy Tab Plus is a really good device. But I don't know why Samsung leaves us and releases the Tab 2 7.0 with many worse specs. They could've downgraded the price of Tab Plus to make it more competitive
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] naturefreak85:
Except the N7 does have Stereo Speakers.... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2587...t_screen_is_harder_to_repair_ifixit_says.html doesn't have the best separation, but it is as good as the P6210 which I have currently retired since Samsung isn't supporting it (Still haven't gotten a US ICS Upgrade) and CM10 on it is still a bit buggy and kills the battery.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DigitalMD:
Your information is incorrect.

Samsung is supporting the P6210. I am currently running the Samsung ICS 4.0.4 for the US version (get in on KIES P6210XARLPC) and the P6210 is on the road map to receive JellyBean in the future from Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] azdavef:
And how do you like the upgrade? Sure would be nice if the rest of us could get it. I have the latest version of Kies and I keep seeing that the latest firmware is installed. And no updates are available when I check OTA. Maybe I'm not getting it because mine has been back to Plano for repairs twice since last Christmas when I thought I purchased the nicest 7" tablet available. Once for a "corrupted OS" and once for a "mainboard failure". Or maybe it was because I didn't thank them for the lunch remnants that came back on the screen both times when it was returned. Looked like a pastrami sandwich, though I didn't put it to the taste test. I bought two of my adult children the Nexus 7 for their college graduations and I can hardly wait until my 7 plus breaks again, since the warranty is up in 12 days. I am figuring December 22, and maybe it will just quit again. I have Ice Cream Sandwich on my phone and I am occasionally allowed to play on their Jellybean tablets. The improvements are awesome. My kids both have the 16 gb versions of the Nexus 7 and since they are nowhere close to (both still have > 10 gb of space) being full, what is it that is consuming all of these resources for others. They put a movie on, watch it, and remove it. They keep only the books they reading on it and archive the rest. They play their music through bluetooth speakers or headphones, almost always streamed from their Pandora accounts. Someone actually tries to listen to anything through phone or tablet speakers? Really? Samsung has dropped the support ball with this device.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DigitalMD:
ICS on the 7+ is great and i have never had any issues with the tablet. I still have 9GB free on the internal SD.

Music sounds great, bluetooth great. etc. Sounds lile you been flashing some custom stuff and e=encountered the well documented EMMC bug.

How has Samsung dropped the ball? They seem to be making a hell of an effort to get every device they have up to ICS then JB and since they have a vast catalog of devices and a huge number of countries and carriers to support (as opposed to Google's one device in a few countries)

I'd say they are doing quite well.

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Samsung tablets will upgrade to Android 4.1 Jelly Bean

http://tabtimes.com/news/ittech-os-...ng-tablets-will-upgrade-android-41-jelly-bean

Samsung Android 4.0.4 for P6210 Wifi

http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&model=GT-P6210&pcode=XAR&os=1&type=3#firmware

Do some research and make sure you know how to flash firmware before trying this, please. There is plenty of info in the forum.

There is a pre-rooted version of 4.0.4 here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2005683
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] bluzman:
ICS upgrade has been available via Kies (since mid September IIRC), not via OTA. :confused:

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Totally agree :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] finikorg:
Of course Nexus is better! I have Samsung phone for a year. No update so far. For my Nexus in half a year I had 2 updates!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DigitalMD:
SO what are you doing here? Why aren't you trolling the Nexus forum and complaining over there?

Which phone did you have ? This one??????
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] finikorg:
What's wrong with you? Isn't this question about Nexus 7? Btw I had Galaxy S Plus.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DigitalMD:
Yeah .,sorry, that was actually intended to go on the other Samsung forum. I was multi-tasking.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] gingerboy92:
with nexus 7 running native ubuntu officially made by Canonical themself, and hundreds of developers, custom roms, supports, updates. i'm seriously considering to sell my galaxy tab plus. things are looking very bad for our tab, all we hear about updates for our tab from samsung are mare rumors and words. cyanogenmod's 10 development for our galaxy tab(and other smdk4210) tabs are moving rather slow, if at all. we are lucky enough to have two committed cm10 developers.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] naturefreak85:
Except Samsung didn't release it for the US version, they released it for other versions and our Version just happens to work with it. Samsung did not actually support it. Plug it into Kies and Kies tells you that you have the most recent firmware. If Samsung won't release the Firmware for the average user, it isn't available...so actually, I'm quite correct.

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Except...not in the US. Just because you can download and flash the P2610 firmware from another country doesn't mean it is available in Kies for the US. Based off the fact that the average user cannot actually update to the newer firmware (if you have to read and follow instructions perfectly to not brick your device, the firmware isn't widely available) that means that Samsung dropped the ball on support.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DigitalMD:
Still wrong, the USA version (Cellular south) is available, here''s the link.

http://www.hotfile.com/dl/166944808/0585bcf/P6210UELPC_P6210XARLPC_XAR.zip.html
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] bluzman:
@naturefreak - I upgraded my 6210 to ICS via Kies in September. This was the official US update. As noted it has to be installed via Kies, not by OTA. Not sure why you continue to insist that this isn't true. :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] ctrlaltjack:
I upgraded to ICS OTA in USA. GT7+ notified me of an update and I installed it. Unfortunately, it unrooted me and all my apps were gone. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] naturefreak85:
Mainly because when I plug it into Kies it doesn't tell me an update is available, (as of last week actually) if I force it to check for an update through Kies it still states such. Now I bought my N7 and use it as a remote control at this point, so it's not the end of the world, I removed CM10 from my device, my statement still stands that Samsung dropped the ball. Clearly I can force the update, but with the glitch that exists in quite a few Samsung firmwares, I'm skeptical about the risk of bricking my device. The average user also won't actually find a firmware on a download site and download it.

If Kies tells me my device is up to date at 3.2 then the likelihood is that I'm not alone.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] bluzman:
There doesn't seem to be a groundswell of posts from folks saying they have the same issue as you've described. I suspect you're the unfortunate owner of a device with a unique problem. JMO Good luck with whatever approach you take to achieve a satisfactory end result. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] ALD3:
I also updated my GT7+ via kies, had to go back to stock and do a factory reset before kies would see my 7+ to update it.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DigitalMD:
Once you modify the firmware, Samsung has the option to wash their hands of you. Which it appears they have.

Looks like the ball is in your court and you dropped it. LOL
[Nexus 7 General] ThunderTech:
The Kindle Fire's lack of Bluetooth, GPS, hepatic feedback, compass, and camera have always been a disappointment, but it was easy to rationalize these missing features because of the price (except for the lack of Bluetooth, because that could have been implemented at no extra cost) When I saw the specifications for the Nexus 7 Tablet, I bought one immediately because it was everything that the Kindle isn't.
[Nexus 7 General] acegolfer:
Coming from Nook Color. 7" is perfect size for me.
[Nexus 7 General] liltyke:
3 Fires in my household (wife and kids). I have the A100 and now will have the N7.
[Nexus 7 General] Atmazzz:
Nook Color running Mirage CM7.2 rom. I've enjoyed it but its just too slow for me for anything but reading. Ordering the Nexus 7 was a no brainer.
[Nexus 7 General] bcvictory:
Coming from Nook Color running ICS.
[Nexus 7 General] movieaddict:
Coming from the kindle and selling my kindle
[Nexus 7 General] cplovero:
Me too!

+1 here.

I just ordered it like 5 min ago. :laugh:
[Nexus 7 General] Jayrod1980:
Bought my wife a nook tablet. Tricked it out as much as I could to make it a real tablet instead of a bn appliance. Bought the nexus for myself... very impatiently waiting
[Nexus 7 General] StyleNSkillz:
Selling KF, it was good, but now it will be just a paperweight with the n7.
[Nexus 7 General] Thief777:
I already sold my Kindle Fire, I will order a Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 General] monkeyluis:
Most kindle fire owners won't know what the nexus 7" is & are probably loyal to amazon ecosystem. Now the geeks on the other hand are another story.
[Nexus 7 General] JamesInsights:
Forgive me for being a noob but how do I sell my KF? Can i like send it back to amazon?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] Atmazzz:
You could try listing it on the Singapore Craigslist.
[Nexus 7 General] plympton:
Had a Nook Tablet (and previously a Color) but sold it when development of the 3.x kernel kinda ran into roadblocks and stalled.

In for 1 Nexus 7 8 gb, though. 7" makes a great portable video viewer & the price is right for an otg toy....
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I have an iPad 64GB wifi+4G, I bought a Nook Tablet to see how I liked the 7" form factor, I ended up real liking the 7" size very much over my iPad but wanted a more standard Google experience. I was able to tweak the NT to where I was almost happy but ended up returning it when I heard about the ASUS ME370T that was going to come out with ICS 4.0. So I've been waiting for this tablet since January.

Why would I want this when I already have an iPad? My iPad cost me $900 including the "Smart Cover", and I have left it at restuarants a few times already, luckily returning to find it turned in @ the register. I am tired of worrying about something happening to my expensive primary computer. My iPad has become the only device I find myself using 95 percent of the time, & the other 5 percent I'm using it to control a PC using the LogMeIn App. I also found out with the NT that I really like a 7" device, as it is way more portable and much easier to hold. I've noticed that when I use my iPad I always prop it up on a surface & use it and rarely hold it in my hands. With the NT I found myself holding it more and using it in more positions than I'd ever used my iPad in. I am looking forward to getting my N7, just wish it still had microSD & HDMI like ASUS said back in January.

So when my N7 arrives it will be my portable computing device & my iPad will become my new desktop/home computer. Will work out nicely now that I can use Chrome on both have my tabs sync'd between the two.

Just a note, if they'd (Google & ASUS) have left the HDMI & microSD port in I could have hooked up my N7 to my monitor, keyboard & mouse, SDHC, and truly used it as my desktop as well & sold my iPad and completely converted over to the Google/Android ecosphere. But as Google has seen fit to remove these coveted ports, I will be retaining my iPad @ least until I can get my hands on a Microsoft Surface which I may use as my main computing device.
[Nexus 7 General] Meaple:
No one waiting for the KF2?
[Nexus 7 General] kiapolo:
Same here. Sold my Nook Color and pre-ordered a n7.
[Nexus 7 General] doctahjeph:
Coming from nook tablet running CM9. Already put on craigslist.
[Nexus 7 General] mr mystery:
They'll be hard pressed to match the N7 on specs and price I think, plus this is a Nexus device :D
[Nexus 7 General] mike28:
I have 2 kindles at home running cm7 wouldn't mind grabbing they nexus 7 thing us sweet
[Nexus 7 General] killerbicycle:
My Wife Wants to sell her Nook Tab for a 16GB Nex7. I'm selling my P6210 and snagging a nex7 as well.
[Nexus 7 General] Meaple:
Haha. Seems like Amazon have missed out now.
[Nexus 7 General] jptech:
what does your liver have to do with a tablet?

It's "haptic" not "hepatic"
[Nexus 7 General] JoeM01:
I had a nook tablet a while back but returned it. While I give the devs all the credit in the world, I didn't care for the fort Knox lock down b&n took with it.

I'm glad I did now with this coming out.
[Nexus 7 General] nolook:
giving my nook color to my dad...it was a no brainer upgrade for me
[Nexus 7 General] bldgengineer:
Pre-ordered a 16GB on announcement day. I just installed an ICS rom on my NT and love how its working so far. The devs were able to get passed B&N's lock down but it did take a while.
[Nexus 7 General] movieaddict:
Ask Ur friends if they want it or pawn it or sell it on craigslist. All good options but sell it quickly as the aftermarket will be flooded with them with everyone buying the nexus 7, lol.
[Nexus 7 General] wpbear:
How much is the Nook Color fetching used? Refurb is cheap so used on eBay isn't getting much.

I'm starting to get a grave yard of netbooks and now tablet. The good old days of used smartphones when resale helped buy the next thing is almost gone.
[Nexus 7 General] josuetenista:
Have KF and a galaxy tab 2 7inches. I will be selling my KF and keep the g tab
[Nexus 7 General] MWilt:
Kindle Fire is being tossed in favor of the 16gb Nexus 7:good:

That said I don't have a single bad thing to say about the Kindle it was a great device.
[Nexus 7 General] ReggieTee:
I'm a Fire owner and i'll be getting the Nexus. I was always frustrated by the limitations brought on by the Amazon ecosystem. I don't like rooting every time there is an update that you have no choice as to whether to accept it. My Fire will now be my primary e-reader. There is no need for me to sell the Fire. The Android Kindle app doesn't get me access to the lending library and other Prime stuff.
[Nexus 7 General] reup247:
I have a Nook Color and am getting the Nexus 7. It was really cool for its time, but the hardware is really showing its age
[Nexus 7 General] daddygene:
Kindle fire

I have 2 fires and will keep both. I think I'll take one of the fires, though and put it in my time capsule.
[Nexus 7 General] carnagecjb:
I have the nook tab, for now...

The spousal unit is interested in a tablet, rather than lugging her laptop everywhere.

Based on the status of ICS on the nook, I feel very comfortable giving that to her.

Personally, I can't wait for the "official" Google experience...

Sent from me and my phone.
[Nexus 7 General] jsm7483:
I sold my Kindle Fire this morning on craigslist for $140 to put towards the Nexus 7. I just picked up the Galaxy Nexus a month and a half ago and am now a "Nexus snob" and prefer the Google Experience. Originally when I bought the Kindle Fire it was nice. But comparing it to the Nexus 7 it seems lacking.

I think more people IRL will keep the Fire. Asking those that frequent this board the majority will not. Considering they probably came to this board for extra functionality from their Kindle Fire.
[Nexus 7 General] Atmazzz:
I won the bid on eBay for mine about 6 or 8 weeks ago for $104.50. I was shocked I got it for that. Every other auction I saw was around the $135-40 range.
[Nexus 7 General] animez:
My wife and I both have a Fire, but her new iPad arrives Tuesday. She's a photographer and the iPad is a much better fit for her (better photography apps and retina display). I plan to upgrade to the Nexus 7 16GB for myself though. I think the kids will get our Fires.

When the Fire came out there was nothing else as well equipped in it's price range. I don't regret the purchase but I will not miss it. The custom skin they put over GB is generally horrible (I was rooted at one time but it was really just to get the Android market). After multiple updates I still have issues with the wifi working correctly and them not including a volume rocker was just stupid. I don't think I would even consider a KF2, even if it had better hardware than the N7. I'm really looking forward to my tablet being a Nexus device too, that means more than a lot of people realize.
[Nexus 7 General] brizey:
Have a KF running a CM9 based ROM. Giving it to my son.
[Nexus 7 General] saadi703:
I am kindle fire owner and I am getting Nexus 7 as well. Nexus 7 is the tab which kindle fire should be at the first place.
[Nexus 7 General] VitaZora:
Heck, I have the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 Plus and I ordered the Nexus 7 straightaway.

The Tab is a great device hardware wise, but because Samsung elected not to release the wifi drivers, it has languished since not much can be done by the developers. Not to mention that it has yet to receive an official update to ICS.
[Nexus 7 General] paulnsx:
Me.. sold KF in prep for nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] icoman:
haha, I just unbricked to factory my Nook Color and put it up on ebay like an hour ago. Should pay for nearly half the price of the N7:cyclops:
[Nexus 7 General] tony1208:
I bought a fire 2 weeks ago and returned it yesterday to preorder the 7
[Nexus 7 General] volwrath:
I sold my kf for galaxy 2 7, and took it back for the nexus