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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] myepicyear:
That is absolute garbage, and if you don't know that, then you don't have the first clue about Google's financial strategy, or the role that Android deployment plays in it.

A big part of Google's business is their closed-source software. AOSP code on its own gives a person/company a fully functioning base to innovate on top of, and tools to integrate Googles free API's and templates with your own ideas, so there's an endless number of possible directions to take it.

Google sells the Nexus devices to showcase their purest platform offerings, and Google apps are features, they are not bloat. The average buyer would look at a Nexus with just the Play Store, and they'd say "wow, this is boring". The whole purpose of Google's Android endeavor, is not to simply be nice people who make free software for everyone-(only to hear endless complaints, bc most people are never satisfied. Those closed-source "bloat" apps provide Google with many different sources of income and free-advertising. No OS/manufacturer give you the ability out of the box, to uninstall system apps from the software. The reasons are mostly financial, and its also an attempt to keep stupid customers from removing one system app that is partially relied on by another apps functions, and blaming them, saying the phone doesn't work- blah, blah, blah.

What makes this a Nexus is the Google-only software, shared code with the other variants, and the fact that experienced users are basically encouraged by Google to unlock the bootloader and play around.

That is what makes a Nexus a Nexus.

We have almost everything we need to

help ourselves

, by building from source, or by using a official ROM image of Google's, and putting the variant-specific parts in, we all have a road map and the tools necessary to take matters into our own hands, mostly independent from carrier support.

Apple has NEVER let people just remove the preloaded apps, and you don't see everyone complaining. People only complain so much here b/c we have it quite good with Android, allowing open/easy access to the operating system internals, and it spoils those who don't understand the "big picture"...that Googles is allowed to make money, and independent developers are not here to carry out your fantasy modifications, and update things every time you ask. At the end of the day, if you dont have any aspirations to try your hand at development, or giving back in some meaningful way, then dont expect people to always jump in and rescue you when you need to put together a flashable zip or something else simple that many never take the time to learn. Some just need perspective about what their fault/responsibility is, what role Google plays, and what role do xda's developers play in community responsibility?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tgyberg:
I'm tired!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
*sigh* I can't wait til next year when half of you are frequenting the Droid 7 forums because you refuse to leave the most crooked money hungry provider out there.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Nailed it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
If there isn't another Nexus on Verizon it'll be because Verizon doesn't want it, not because Google doesn't want to deal with them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Nailed it (stolen line).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sarkozy:
By that logic, a GSM Nexus on ATT is no longer a Nexus. They run any new software through the wringer as well. Have you ever noticed the proprietary code in AOSP to make the phone function on the 850MHz WCDMA band for ATT 3G?

It must be nice to sit around all day and argue the merits of two nearly identical cell phones. Not that there aren't 100 other things more important.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
I guess not all GSM GN's should be considered nexus phones. Is the stock rom changed in any way? If so, then they have gone past the range of responsibility and control. I honestly don't have a lot of info about those.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Let's put it like this, its a Nexus because of the name. So there.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
The new NEXUS 7 tablet isn't a NEXUS because (insert incoherent babbling here).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wirelessFREAK:
Just a note

This is a healthy thread, though some may just want a quick answer, that's not what it was written for (imo). It helps some people decide. Others find fuel for a discussion they have offline with someone else.

Thanks OP

Didn't mean to anger galaxy n owners
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mtmjr90:
Yeah I'd recommend that anyone who is interested in productive, non circular discussion should just ignore everything after the first 8 or 9 pages...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andro X:
Great I guess that injunction that the courts granted Apple against Samsung won't effect the Verizon Galaxy Nexus since its not a real Nexus right?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Bwahahaha!

You win the thread sir.

#threadcap
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
:laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zetsumeikuro:
I see what you did there. Well played sir... Well played!:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
This thread reminds me of something Christopher Hitchens said about debating religious apologetics:

"It's like breaking f*****g rocks"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SysAdmNj:
The only real question left is what would you rather have, a verizon "google" nexus or a google nexus directly from google....I think we know what the marjority would choose :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Yea I'd like to have a GSM Nexus if I were on T Mobile but I'm happy with my Verizon Nexus since its the best option for my current situation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You mean Samsung, right?

As much as I would be intrigued by Google making a phone...they haven't yet ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] r3awak3n:
Listen to this guy!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
Newsflash: As of today, the Nexus S 4G (Sprint Version) is officially an AOSP device.

We've been able to resolve the issues around Nexus S 4G, and we can now properly distribute its CDMA and WiMAX binaries. That allows Nexus S 4G to work with AOSP just as well as Nexus S.

As a result, we now consider Nexus S 4G to be fully supported in AOSP,with no restrictions. Overall, Nexus S is the preferred platform for AOSP work.

I've updated the set of IMM76L binaries for Nexus S 4G to include WiMAX support. They're available at their usual location: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers

Enjoy!

JBQ

*starts humming* "one of these things is not like the other"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
You are correct, they are not alike. Wimax and LTE are completely different. Thanks for playing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SysAdmNj:
No, I meant google branded. See since you have the verizon version, you dont know what youre missing :p

verizon's nexus back

google's nexus back :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
^^^Sprints has branding too. Although I know that wasn't your point :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SysAdmNj:
Yuck lol

I'll keep the google one thanks :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
Actually I was not referring to Wimax and LTE. I was talking about being a device officially supported by the Android Open Source Project. I was one of the GSM guys in this thread that actually agreed the Verizon version was a Nexus...then, in unison, they started to sound like a bunch of whiny bit**es. I don't debate, I just present facts.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Cool...but the wimax version has no bearing, LTE is the pita. If the Verizon model wasn't LTE this thread wouldn't exist. And in all fairness there's whiners and superiority complexes on both sides of the debate.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
You are right, it probably wouldn't exist...because Verizon is so free and open, and they never ever ever try to control what is on their network. :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iCurmudgeon:
Okay, question for you. Why do the CDMA versions of the Galaxy Nexus get 32GB storage memory and the GSM versions only 16 GB? I think it's the same for other phones as well.

I'm a bit ticked off at this new trend of not including microSD slots. 16GB isn't plenty, because you lose about 3 GB of that to the system, so you wind up with only 12 or 13 GB available. and it begins to fill up fast. What do you do for safe backup storage? Storing a nandroid backup on the phone doesn't offer any safety, it only eats up your precious storage. We need to petition the phone makers to include micro-SD expansion, and if it makes the device a percent or so thicker, so be it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
Real Nexus users only need 16 Gigs. Thats like 12 nandroid backups.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
There's no debating Verizon likes control, but that's true of all leading companies. If T-Mobile were number 1 they would show you where their loyalties lie as well. Hint: It's with their stockholders. Verizon is my cellphone company, not my brother in arms. I pay them for a service and they provide said service. I expect nothing more. Do I pay a little more? Sure. But in return, this traveling guy is rewarded with solid nationwide coverage. My choice, my nexus ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
dropbox?

my 20GB of dropbox says "im pretty good at holding crap"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
This. Been meaning to try Google Drive though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SysAdmNj:
The only problem with this is, since this is the first time using a virtual sd card I accidentally wiped it and erased my nandroid backups and user data. Thats one thing I miss is not so much the 32gb's of space but the actual mini sd card.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
Real Nexus users don't need any nandroids, no regression.

EDIT: There's no problem you can't flash your way out of.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
I use this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=dk.tacit.android.foldersync.full to backup important stuff like my Titanium Backup folder to Box, Dropbox, and Drive while I'm on wifi and charging. Funny thing is, I got it after my micro SD on my Speedy crapped out on me without warning. Yay SD cards :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iCurmudgeon:
Dropbox, Box, and Drive don't cut it when you're on a plane for 15 hours, which I'll be later this year.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
wifi on the plane?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
What kind of ridiculous statement is this?

I'm hoping this is sarcasm.

Like I had any choice of a 16GB or 32GB version, there's only 32 for me and that's fine with me, I'll never run out of space.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Lol, where do you get these damn pictures. Lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Lte and WiFi will never replace local media, especially video. I would be a lot more inclined to rent/DL videos if there were a micro SD available. And wasn't the whole point of "micro" SD to expand storage needs to the users needs, therefore solving the problem of people who don't need extra storage to not get a SD card? Chrome books are a great example of slow/no adoption because of the lack of storage.

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nodstuff:
So true I laughed and then stopped laughing and nodded my head. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
I don't get your reference to Chromebooks. Mine has an SD card slot as well as USB ports.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] painter_:
There is hope for the CDMA Nexus to receive direct support from google Now that the Nexus S has full ASOP support..

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/nexus-s-4g-now-fully-supported-in-aosp-with-no-restrictions/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Nexus S, aka Crespo is the ideal aosp platform. Not even Maguro makes that list.

Guess Maguro isn't a real Nexus either ;)

Before a GSM Club member jumps on me, I am just kidding.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
The Verizon GNex has LTE though which I think is a dead end in that respect.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] irishrally:
Nexus=fully_supported_in_AOSP
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No it doesn't. There are several proprietaries in Maguro needed in AOSP, but not supplied by it. Maguro is still a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] beekay201:
Indeed, but like you said, and afaik, Nexus S is the only one that officially has all the binaries needed to build aosp (i think it was possible to build GB for it, entirely from source, no binaries needed), maguro only has 3 (gpu, gsm and wifi/bt) so far, as you know.

sent from my i9250
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I am liking that Google is still working on it. Says a lot for them, because it only benefits their users and they could have walked away after their last aosp support change announcement.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
Agreed. Even though I no longer have my NS4G it instills me with a little more confidence in Google and Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thrower86:
Unlocked, Pentaband

My two cents: This feature might not be in the spirit of "nexus" or what have you, but what really drew me to the GSM GNex is the ability to use it on pretty much any GSM carrier, as a "world phone," while still having full AOSP support. Sort of a one phone for the world idea, as Applish as that sounds. I travel outside the US every once in a while and its nice to know I'm compatible with most foreign networks. Or even here in the US, being able to jump on Straight Talk if I ever wanted to drop AT&T is nice to know with this phone. I know the Nexus S had this feature, while the N1 was mixed here in the US, so world-phone might not necessarily be in the spirit of Nexus as it were, but it's a feature many would appreciate I'm sure.

When I first got a look at the VZW GNex I was almost beside myself thinking I'd have that 32GB and world phone capabalities but got shot down really fast. Same for the Sprint version as well. And from what I understand, their LTE radios aren't compatible with the others' network? That right there makes them carrier exclusives inadvertently doesn't it, which I would assume is against that "Nexus" philosophy, whatever it may be? Seeing as these are first-generation LTE devices, trying to stuff a GSM radio into a CDMA Nexus would be absolutely horrendous for battery life so I can see why those two don't have world-phone capabilities.

I don't really care either way but just some thoughts to add to the conversation. I just wish the 32GB GSM Nexus actually happened, 13GB is not enough room to load HD movies for that beautiful screen =( Here's to hoping that the next Nexus is pentaband and compatible with multiple LTE networks =)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hsv7litre:
All you guys should come over here to Australia where you get sold a phone and then are completely forgotten. No updates or new software ie jb 4.1 or ics for other devices.

So much complaining on here from people that get everything I want. Like support from a carrier. Not here in Oz tho! No we just bend over and let the US do what they please. Rant over
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimb9:
Im sorry you despise of the U.S. but being locked into a contract is much worse then buying a phone a being forgotten.

Atleast this is my opinion. Since there is such a large developer following for the android platform why don't you just root your device and install whatever you want. Problem solved.

Happy fourth of July from America:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hsv7litre:
Yea I should! I'm too chicken to root it. Haven't quite got my head around the whole process yet.

Sorry mate, I don't despise the US, grass is always greener sorta thing. Just been so frustrated with whole situation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimb9:
hey no worries man... i am just playing around with ya... some of the arguments are definitely first world problems and wont change anything

rooting is actually a pretty easy process especially with a developer phone like the gnex. weigh your pros and cons, read the hundreds of helpful threads on here, and get at it.:)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] androidaddict23:
Okay I'm coming from a htc rezound and I absolutely loved that phone.I was so critical of the galaxy nexus, now that I have one I was a fool for not for waiting for the galaxy nexus I love everything about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Krooked22:
The fact that one receives OFFICIAL updates first should pretty much answer this question. There is no middle-man (Verizon) needed to update.

Yes, I know u can just root and flash new ota. That is not the point. I am confident I will never purchase a phone from a provider for a very long time
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
I have no idea how I missed this thread. I have to agree with Adrynalyne 100% here. The Verizon Galaxy Nexus is a Nexus because Google, the owner and creator of the brand, says it's a Nexus. It's no more or less complicated than that.

The bottom line is this. Other than different radio frequencies and cellular protocol, there is absolutely NOTHING that the GSM Gnex can do that the Verizon Gnex cannot. It runs a virtually identical ROM and it has an unlockable bootloader. Hell, it even uses the same kernel as the GSM ROM. They are the same figgin' device for the most part. Google includes two apps on the VZW variant...the backup assistant which helps people if this is their first Android phone, and My Verizon which I think just about everyone on VZW uses because it's such a nice app and so damn useful. These can easily be disabled if you don't want to see them in your app tray. In addition to the two apps, it also includes a back end app called Verizon Login which is required to run VZW-branded apps from the market like NFL Mobile, Visual Voicemail, etc.

Let's not forget that Verizon pays people to support this phone and they also put a fair amount of marketing resources into this phone when it came out. If Verizon was going to do that, It makes perfect sense that they should want their users to be able to use the VZW-branded apps that some of us love out of the box without needing to download anything additional. Personally, I don't know if I could function without NFL Mobile during football season. It would be absolutely asinine for VZW to sell this device in their stores and have to tell customers "with this device, you can't have Visual Voicemail or NFL Mobile unless you download an additional app first."

The Galaxy Nexus is not a geek, exclusive boy's club phone. It is an end user device that just happens to be popular with people like us because of the unlockable bootloader and the fact that you can build AOSP for it. 99% of Galaxy Nexus owners don't give a rat's ass about this, no matter if they own a CDMA or GSM version, and no matter if they get their updates from Google or Samsung.

If Google says it's a Nexus, it's a Nexus. Period.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
So ALL GSM Galaxy Nexus owners have gotten the OTA to 4.0.4.? Even the GSM Galaxy Nexus can have a middle man.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GrainOsand:
The fact that adrenalyne felt compelled to even post this makes me sad! Holy **** who cares!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shiznu:
All I know is I can have any rom on my vzw nexus as soon as it drops. I'm no Verizon fan boy but its the ONLY decent data coverage I can get and with the recent Apple lawsuit and the rumored OTA taking away features seems the play store GSM nexus is not a true nexus either, by the definition's in this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Looking at the size of this thread, I would say a lot.

A lot of hate in this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
You should have saved your dignity by not posting this. Where oh where do you draw the line on what sort of apps a carrier (or manufacturer, for that matter) should be allowed to pre-load on your phone, based on what *they* think *you* want? (bless your dear heart if you think they're doing it for your sake). Do Verizon customers yearn to be spoon-fed?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shiznu:
Sigh.......looks like Apple can take features away from any nexus but they won't on mine I control my phone instead of any carrier or manufacturer.........a nexus is a nexus is a nexus unless its not pffftt
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GrainOsand:
Well, This is XDA! We all know that Troll Fodder will draw a crowd.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
If I had a limited data plan I would want the data tracker app as the Google provided one is not as accurate and doesn't survive a flash.

If I came from a feature phone and had my contacts backed up with Verizon's free service I would want the backup assistant app.

Fact is they are useful to most Verizon customers. More useful than some of the Google bloat. I don't use half of the gapps that come pre installed.

Currents? WTF Google? I don't want that on my "clean" nexus phone. And I can't even uninstall it without rooting my phone.

I haz no sig
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
i don't know what you just said, or how it was a rebuttal to my post.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shiznu:
Figures ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Some of you forget the Nexus is a Google show device which means it's used to showcase their products.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
In the middle of your post, you had what appears to be three sentences combined into one, which lacks some sort of emphasis or central idea.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shiznu:
The " central idea" is that's its a Nexus.....Kitchen is closed!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
People should realize that the more a phone is available to people the more support and development it receives. In the end, we all win. Plus, they make more accessories for successful devices. :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I think Samsung has always sucked for accessories.

Anyone recall the Audio dock for the SGS devices that had audio out that didn't even work because Froyo wasn't on them yet?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leppo:
If this thread teaches anything, its that people make their own definition of what is a Nexus phone. By my definition, if either the carrier or manufacturer adds software at their own discretion, then it's not a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] simms22:
the only "developers" devices were the adp1(g1), the adp2(ion), and the adp3(nexus one). the nexus s and galaxy nexus are google experience devices that are marketed to the public(and developers), that have a development pedigree. truly, the nexus one would probably be the crossover from development phone to a consumer phone. but, that doesnt change the fact, a nexus is a nexus :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
What about if Google agrees to it?

Verizon doesn't crack open OTAs and drop their apks into it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lucas.scott:
All I know... Is I had jellybean on my device about 12 hours after it was announced.... Are there any other "non nexus" devices out there that can say the same?

I know it was achieved by the tenacity of the developers on the scene as opposed to Google... But if this wasn't a Nexus that wouldn't have been possible.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Beamer9408:
This.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bedoig:
Is it a Nexus? Sure.

Are there differences (some negative)? Sure.

Do they matter? Not really.

I'm happy with the GSM model. Feels a little better in the hand and has better accessory options (IMO), but no GSM carrier can compare to Verizon's network in the US. On the other hand it allows me to travel globally - which I do just often enough to enjoy the capability.

Do people really make a big deal about this? They're both nice devices.

I do think it's pretty cool what Google is doing by selling unlocked devices directly through the Play Store for the unbelievably low price of $349. Kinda gives you another glimpse into Google's motives for picking the hardware that they did for the Galaxy Nexus. Their efforts with the Nexus One fell flat so I'm sure they were targeting an aggressive price point this time around.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
It is not a nexus because y'all got 32gb and us gsm users didn't and well, I'm jealous to put it simply. It is more like nexus x2. Excuse me while i go write in my blog adrynalyne is an asshat because i said so and i need more traffic even though i really don't have a blog and don't really care and i am happy both cdma and gsm users have some freedom from the carrier. Read my sig and enjoy. :p

butter and jelly please...