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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thelowend:
Just ordered one...chose overnight shipping so hopefully it will get here on monday.

A couple of questions: Im assuming since this battery doesnt deviate largely from the original sumsung battery design that the standard chager will work with the 2100 batt, correct?

From the above pictures (which are very helpful - thanks guys/gals) the battery doesnt protrude much further out than the orginal one does. Will a standard Nexus cover fit over the extended battery? I have a case from this line - http://www.cruzerlite.com/cases/sam...zerlite-persona-case-for-samsung-galaxy-nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] techspecs:
The short answer is that it depends. If it's a very tight fitting case, maybe not. An otterbox- all systems go. My nexus came with a case on it. I don't know the exact model or manufacturer but it has a Pt on the back and is very slim. It has two pieces that snap together around the sides of the phone with tabs. With the extended battery it's harder to get it snapped, there is additional gap between the two pieces and it sometimes will come apart a little. But it works mostly. I have an otterbox coming out I might still just go naked. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thelowend:
You think removing the battery door and then putting the hard case on would make for a closer fit?

I don't think it would make a huge difference but I might make it fit better.

Sent from my Nexus...gettin hip to slimBean
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 2ksilverbullet:
Ringke slim and Incipio Silicrylic cases both fit nicely over the extended battery with the stock door.

The Incipio case bulges slightly but nothing that makes the phone look or feel awkward. I like the bit of weight the extended battery provides.

Standard charger works great with the extended battery.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] techspecs:
Well, I think in most cases you'll be fine even with the door. The case I referenced is probably a worst case because the phone case is slim, hard (non-flexible) and used (opened closed an unknown number of times, loosening it).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] d11dog11:
I have the platinum case (rebranded seidio surface) and I just put the phone in with no back. Only way it would snap closed all the way with the extended installed. Works great this way though. No way you could tell that its missing the backplate
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] malibu_23:
Has anyone tried to heat up the vzw ext battery door case with a hair dryer and roll off the vz lte logo? I'm looking to buy the set for use on my sprint phone. I rock a silicone case but would still like to mod the logo off the vz door
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Neo3D:
Does the Verizon battery fit in the Sprint phone?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] techspecs:
I haven't personally attempted it myself but from what I have seen on here elsewhere, no. The connection pins are in physically different locations and therefore incompatible.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vhgomez36:
Actually the batteries are the same, the difference is on battery cover
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pinchycm:
Are these on sale anywhere anymore? They're back up to full retail at VZW.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] malibu_23:
eBay

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[General Topics] Fking1:
Few days ago I was involved in a conversation where couple of people were sure that the government can tap our phones even when not in conversation but when they are actually in stand by on the table.

I tried to argue that when in stand by, android for example has very minimal processes going on, just enough to keep the time and realize when the power button is pressed or send notification.

The counter-argument was that there might be backdoors in the ROM for example which enables the authorities to get sound from the mic directly without the need of the OS as an interface.

I don't see how this can be done, but you as developers might want to provide some solid, technical arguments which would set the discussion once at for all :)
[General Topics] slapshot30:
I guess if you're really that worried about it, there's always airplane mode. ;)
[General Topics] drcrimzon:
Worried about monitoring using a google/facebook/twitter device?

Pull some foil off your hat, and wrap it around the phone. Problem solved.

Just do what Eric says "Do no Evil" and who cares if the gummint is watching you!
[General Topics] Fking1:
I'm not worried at all as should be obvious if you actually read my post :>
[General Topics] B33zal:
Well, I'm no developer but if you are going to lurk deeper on backdoors, you'll soon find out that bigger corporations than Gooogle have implemented backdoors in their systems.

Still, this doesn't tell you how it's done, but proofs that has been done and afaics is no problem to do it again.

If I remember correctly some time ago Indian government tried to force BlackBerry to backdoor their devices for Indian market.

So judge it for yourself, but don't think that this is some Atlantis conspiracy but is actually happening all over the place..
[General Topics] Fking1:
Care to elaborate?

Also it will be enough if someone says why it's impossible to pull audio from the mic when the phone is on standby
[General Topics] dmhdogpro:
In all actuality if the gumment wanted to monitor you they already are....
[General Topics] chaki-:
It's not impossible. Don't brick your head with such things. And why is that question anyway? Do you affraid that you can get caught?

If you are not doin anything against the law, after a while they would not even listen to you ;)
[General Topics] Fking1:
well to be honest, i'm big time criminal in my country, so the answer to that question is critical to me :>
[General Topics] thebobp:
Just because a listening device is not always on doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A single push notification can activate a hidden app or feature, should a government have installed it.

Indeed, there are "lost phone" apps on the market that let you do similar things (though I'm not sure about listening in per se, more like gps, alarm sound, take photos).
[General Topics] Fking1:
so, it's technically possible?
[General Topics] mistermentality:
It is possible and google patented an ad technique that involved using the microphone to listen for background noises and words to produce better more personalised ad results but haven't implemented it yet.

Also you can remotely activate phone features as well as push data to a phone so yes it could be done but they would need at least an app installed on your phone to do so.

So unless you allow someone to install hidden apps on your phone there's no chance of it.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] Fking1:
Interesting.

What if the government forces Google, Apple and Rim to leave such backdoors accessible by them?

Android is open source but the kernel is not as far as i know?
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
even if thats the case: just flash an own kernel like we all do.

i don't think there's something in android, because it's open source. someone would see that..

and the kernel problem is solved when you flash another one i guess

but those normal ppl out there.. the weird ones who doesn't flash their devices, they are ****ed then. xP
[General Topics] Fking1:
but are the kernels we flash open source? I guess even with custom ROM you use the default google kernel, since if it haven't been open source in the first place, i don't think anyone has written it from scratch.

The more important question is, can something like this be hidden in the kernel, or it needs to run in the OS as normal, but hidden app?
[General Topics] B33zal:
NSAKEY. I'd post links but I can't.
[General Topics] Fking1:
NSAKEY?

post them sripped or PM me
[General Topics] zelendel:
Is it possible? Yes is it likely? No. At least in the US they would need to prove you were a threat to national security to get a judge to sign off on it.

The android kernel is open source completely.

As an example there is a root binary that grants root access without user prompt or notification of any kind. So while it can be done I would not worry about it much.

FEMA chip anyone?

Sent for a corner cell in Arkham
[General Topics] Harry_Y:
Bingo

I do not worry about my Government, if they want me they

will come and get me (and I won't be able to stop them)

It is my fellow citizens whom scare me the most.
[General Topics] Simonetti2011:
That is true and some EULAs even suggest that there is no privacy on the data commited to the systems. Simple software we use daily (specially in the MS Windows world) is gathering info about what data you search, what you download, what kinda documents you type, etc. Even cloud storage services have a EULA that guarantee you no privacy (Box, Dropbox, Google drive, etc)

As for Android, I highly doubt the problem lies in the operating system, since it is open source and anyone can take a look at it.

Now if you want a conspiracy theory, then read on...

Have you guys noticed how many of the browsers in Play Store are from chinese developers? Specially Dolphin, which many of you adore. Who can tell it isn't secretly sending your browsing habits to the Chinese government? How many people have been sniffing traffic to/from Dolphin (using tcpdump, for instance) to make sure it isn't doing other things?

Chrome (and Chromium) is another example: most people simply have to access their google accounts from these browsers. These browsers effectively send private user data to google. The question here is: how is google making use of such data and who is it sharing it with (for a profit or not)???

It's almost a paradox that in the information age we are more and more willing to have privacy but we have never shared so much of their personal lives with so many as we do now. Take, for instance, Facebook, Google+, Twitter,

I could go on and on... but I gotta some wifi sniffing to do right now and some wardriving later.
[General Topics] Saintfyre:
I find it crazy noone has asked this already, but I will....

lolwut? Is that you Kony?
[General Topics] Warren87:
Think over,It's true like that...
[General Topics] Fking1:
Who is Kony? Do you need him robbed or killed? I'm the man!
[General Topics] LexLuger82:
This is no theory, George W Bush administration passed the Patriot act giving the government the right to do this, fact.
[General Topics] Fking1:
yeah but lets discuss how far they can go and what exactly they can do based on the limitations of the phone operation systems

Will be interesting to see opinions from the people with experience with low level phone programming
[General Topics] paranoid365:
Harry_Y is absolutely right, and anyone that thinks the law, or the courts can/will help them is sooooo naive, (every level is corrupt; hell the government makes the laws for peets sake)!! :eek:

**The Patriot Act alone was the biggest slap in the face of any kind of freedom, and a huge wake-up call 2 everyone!! Also, the law they passed giving the president, (whoever it happens 2 be @ the time), the power 2 shut down their portion of the internet, (I forgot the name of the law), any time he/she pleases, is proof enough who truly runs things!!**

If they want you - they got you - if no crime was committed - they'll fabricate one. The only chance anyone has is to fly under the radar, make the best possible life they can, and hope that, "they", never notice you exist!! :eek:

**Oh, and before anyone thinks my opinions are based on my forum name alone, I just wanted 2 say that my forum name was created years ago for a joke, so there is no correlation between the 2**
[General Topics] chaki-:
It doesn't matter which country it is. All government's all the same within the "kernel". Our privacy is exposed anyway. Anyone who thinks that he is hidden or save from bashing into his life is wrong. Many of you may think that as conspiracy but it is the real life. You can not protect anything.

Countless ways to invade the privacy of a man. If you go on and keep asking yourself if thats true or not you will end at some Psychiatry lol :D
[General Topics] 911nimo:
I know for a fact that governments can remotely eavesdrop on you even when phone is off as long as the battery is in it (especially on older smartphones)

The scary part is the device used is a small suitcase containing a laptop and misc equipment that can spy, record or hijack any cellphone within the range of the nearest cell towers... it was sold to our ex-regime in egypt by a US based company for ~ 400.000$ a pop and i guess it could be available on black markets
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Sorry but how do you know for a fact?

An off phone cannot monitor you because it is not connected to a cell tower (needed to send receive any commands to or from device) and it can't be controlled if there is no operating system loaded and running for it to utilise because you can't do anything on your phone without the os being on or your phone hooked up to a computer.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] Trilly:
we always spied... or advertisement would not survive xD they live with our goggling or "I like" in facebook ecc
[General Topics] 911nimo:
had friends in security forces that confirmed this! and btw older smartphones can power on when an alarm is set, that means there is always something on even if the device is off, right?
[General Topics] mistermentality:
I don't mean this as a dig at your friends but just because they say something doesn't make it true.

I have heard an astronaut say ufos are real and alien but it doesn't mean he's right anymore than your friends are.

If this were possible how could it be that you and your friends would know and yet it not be verifiable when I try a google search? I cannot find one single verified example, only peoples suspicions.

As for older smartphones that could power on, they were off but as long as had battery or mains power they could be powered because they used the hardware to do so whereas because todays smartphones are mini computers that run software and the alarm is now an app your operating system must be running in order to run the alarm app.

A few modern smartphones manage it by going into a low power sleep but are still running rather than fully off when they do.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] Simonetti2011:
Stop believing those hollywood movies, man! It`s bad for you sense of reality.
[General Topics] mojo22:
To the OP. Check this thread out, you might find it interesting.

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1460831

Facts: Google is a marketing agency, they need your information...they didn't make android for free without knowing they will make a return on their investment.

Of course it is! This was proven even with old feature phones...or dumb phones not sure what they called today.

Do you know how you actually make a phone call?

You see your phone is Always open, everyones phone is open, when you call someone to talk to them its open lines. All this bull**** with minutes and paying for minutes etc is all money making tactics!

A better example is broadband, you know your internet connection. It is on 24hours a day but you pay a fixed amount, same with your phone. It is constantly on.

So, there is a way to get information from your device without it actually dlialing a number...do they do it? Who knows.

I just remembered that Steve jobs once made a device that makes those sounds when dialing, I don't know if you've ever heard older phones but they use to make sounds, those sounds was 'key words' that tells the line to ring. Pretty cool actually. Point is he hacked phones and they couldn't trace it cause there is no charge, it is always open lol

The problem is with googles closed apps, apps can make the phone do things without your permission.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Wozniak built a blue/black box by following plans from a magazine, which produced tones that the phone exchanges would respond to.

When you hung up your local exchange would send a signal of 2600Hz to the long distance exchange to close down it's local circuit (from it to the 1-800 destination).

If you dialled a 1-800 number in the long distance area you wanted, then sent a 2600Hz signal yourself (either by whistling or using the Captain Crunch free whistle, or the blue box etc) then the long distance exchange would close down it's local circuit but your local exchange would keep the long distance connection open, cost free due to it initially being a 1-800 connection. You could then use other 2600Hz signals to dial who you wanted for free.

They were easily traceable, which is why phreaks ended up having to use pay phones.

Exchange technology moved on quickly which closed the feature off.
[General Topics] Kerosine:
I heard that, see...

I just heard the OP let it rip. You take your phone with you to the bathroom?! Seriously?
[General Topics] chaki-:
Take a note! You can write it down and make a bestseller from this thread :p

Then we sue you :laugh:
[General Topics] mojo22:
That is a much better explanation....my point was though that phone lines are open. Not traceable I meant, there is no consumption when calling. Its not like fuel, use a gallon and that will get you x-amount of distance. Phone lines are constantly open, in use and they don't run out. Its only a matter of opening (ringing) the door.

Not sure I explained that correctly again though.
[General Topics] santimaster2000:
I don't have an account on Facebook, Google+, Twitter, nothing. Can I be the only one here that still use my gadgets for my nerd life, and my mouth and ears for my normal life ? I mean, "Social Networks", seriously, you have to be nuts to be on this sites, or you just have an account because every f*cking human on earth has one ?
[General Topics] _Variable:
I have Facebook since most of my friends are on it but I rarely play facebook games.
[General Topics] bobalias:
Today's smartphones have processors, as did most older phones. I take it you're not familiar with the concept of timers (or interrupts) in computer architecture? A processor (and the rest of the phone for that matter) could be shut down save for a small portion consuming on the order of microamps, and wake up at a specified time. All done in hardware (silicon).
[General Topics] mistermentality:
That is why I said older phones did it with hardware, almost all new ones run an alarm app and so require the os to be on even if sleeping.

I do know about timer interrupts as was a part of my computer studies back in college but this would still not allow people to use and therefore monitor the op's phone.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] DannyB513:
Someone has watched too much "Person of Interest". It is a tv show in which a guy builds a computer for the govt. that can tap into anything electronic.
[General Topics] paranoid365:
I know I posted earlier, and I truly believe that anyone that is not open to such things being possible, (and going on), are the same people that keep others from believing it. The government just plays it off as sci-fi, tin-foil hat ****, (like usual), and since so many normal citizens think its bunk, everyone else just figures its bunk, and the Gov. wins.

Like for peet's sake, (talk about the elephant in the room), the Gov., to this very day, still denies Area 51 exists, (even though you can clearly see it on Google maps, in photos, on video, etc.), so if they would continue to lie about something so stupid, and that everyone can clearly see is right there, then there is no scope to their lie’s.

Oh ya, look @ Roswell, (and no I'm not saying it was 1000% alien), the Gov. clearly said one story, (day of), and then flipped the story 360 the very next day. Ya, stories can change I understand that, but not when they clearly would have known the circumstances of anything going on that day, so their original story would have been the weather balloon, not the 2nd story.

Anyway, that wasn't the reason I was posting, the reason I was posting is because I wanted 2 know if everyone else noticed how weird, and kind of creepy strawberries look, (I ask because I’m eating them right now). Just wondering - not offering any opinions here. :eek:
[General Topics] Simonetti2011:
Orson Wells would be proud of this guy!
[General Topics] mistermentality:
I don't think anyone is saying govts can't or won't monitor their citizens, the echelon system is evidence to the fact they can (its been officially mentioned in uk parliament so we know its real at least) but they can't monitor switched off phones and if they could would only bother with those they consider a threat in some way.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] sgs2.e4gt:
Citizens should not fear their government. This will be enforced.
[General Topics] mojo22:
I assume you have a google account though?

That makes you a product !

lol...does that make it 'OK'? :fingers-crossed: maybe I should stop playing games too then
[General Topics] gamerzworld:
A while back Kevin Mitnick and Steve Wozniak were doing a Coast2Coast show and they spent a good hour talking about the phone tricks they used to do. Very facinating stuff.

[YOUTUBE]PO2-oLpU9ag[/YOUTUBE]​
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Lol. I'm not saying governments are perfect or that they don't abuse their power, history shows the opposite, just that they aren't monitoring all our phones when switched off.

This link shows that governments want to know everything, its about the planned uk law to monitor phone calls texts and internet activity of all individuals in real time.

Now I admit this would be a bad thing but even so it doesn't allow or mean that an off phone to be remotely switched on and monitored so the op has no need to worry about that specific issue.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] xaccers:
To be fair, the bill doesn't seek to monitor in real time, or even acces the contents of communications, but to get providers to store the connection logs for longer and not require a warrant to access those logs.

The idea is to be able to show connections between groups which will then be used to start real time monitoring or to exclude from further investigations.

Labour did want ISPs to log all activity including email contents. Demon internet gave them an awesome scathing response stating just how much bandwidth the link to the planned government central database would take.

That plan was bonkers, especially as small ISPs who wouldn't be able to afford to implement the technology would be excluded.

So guess who the criminals would use as their ISPs? Yup the small ones.

Brainless morons some politicians are.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
It did allow and ask for real time access according to every news report I read such as bbc, reuters, and the newspapers.

If you read halfway down the following page you will see it is on about monitoring with realtime access. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Tories-revive-plans-online-surveillance.html

You will see it also specifically requires monitoring of messages, calls, websites etcetera and not just the logs.

I have read that it may be changed as a result of the dissension the proposal caused but I don't know yet how it changes and would expect the realtime access to be kept in.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )