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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kudosmog:
No pen support is what keeps me from buying any other device.

But if you don't use the pen, then yeah...I can see the upgrade being worth it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah nothing on the nexus tab is a deal breaker for me, I just am hesitant to give up the flyer so quickly not to mention I doubt I could get that much money out of it anyway
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
I did just that.

I preordered the Nexus 7 16GB from Google and put my HTC Flyer, Blurex case, installed Zagg invisible shield, box, cables, and all papers one up on ebay.

If anyone is interested, it's up on ebay for $159 and BUY IT NOW $187 for all.

BTW Thanks for all in this forum who have helped me with various things along the way.

Peace,

Jeff
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
I did the same! I listed my Flyer late Wednesday night on Gumtree and someone took it off me for £150 at half four yesterday :-) Very quick sale!

I couldn't care about the camera, microsd slot and pen.. I never really used them! So ordered the Nexus 8GB just, Was going to go for the 16GB but I only used ~2.5gb on my Flyer.

Can't wait for them to ship!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'm with you there on that stuff doesn't matter. I have an sd card in mine only because I got sick of having to take my phone apart every time I wanted to flash a Rom through recovery. All my media is on the cloud. And the camera really is just a toy imo, there is no useful purpose for one on a tablet, and besides my HTC Vivid has a much nicer camera anyway, 8mp dual led flash. Really what's killing the nexus tab for me is the terrible jelly bean UI. I just found out today no landscape mode, wtf? I mean yes in apps and games, but the homescreen is portrait only like a phone! So that mean all next gen 7 inch android tablets are just going to be glorified e readers? I personally rarely ever use portrait, god google is clueless
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
Haha! I prefer portrait mode actually! Plus, The phone UI is nicer on a 7 inch tablet.. I had an Archos 80 G9 before my Flyer and the tablet UI was nice and spaced out - On the Flyer it felt really cramped! Wish Google would release the case in the UK soon! Going to need one :L
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'd still buy one, and I still plan too actually, not a matter of if but when. Just don't see why its so hard to put the launcher in landscape auto rotate when 3rd party launchers have been doing this for years! I'll definitely be putting a custom launcher on mine
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
You guys will have to keep me informed how you like it. I will say the rubberized back is a plus. The flyer is slippery. I've had it slide out of my hands a million times.

After watching a review of the nexus tab on youtube, yeah its hard to complain about the UI too much, beause it looks gorgeous and moves like "butter", even if it isn't exactly the most tablet optimized UI. I wonder what its going to do to other cheap tabs now such as the Nook Tablet, Kindle Fire, and GTab2. The GTab2 seemed like a steal at $250 2 months ago, but now it seems way over priced considering the same price gets you 2 more cores, a more up to date version of android, double the storage, and an HD screen. Google has set the standard now for cheap tabs. Look for an Apple lawsuit soon lol.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
The storage is a no go for me

Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
Haha! Do you know if the stock ICS launcher on phones rotates? I know from the G9 the Tablet one definitely rotates, Just not used ICS on my phones properly :)

Ugh I hate the Flyer's aluminium build so much! I can't stand the soft feeling when it moves in your hand haha! Had the leather hardback on from day one then switched to the leather journal case for when I took the tablet outside and a gel case for indoors haha. The official leather journal is well overpriced, Wish I had've bought an unofficial one with a stand!

Can't wait until they start to ship! Mines coming from Dublin, Ireland which is only ~130 miles from where I live so it won't take long to arrive!

Really odd how the case isn't available in the UK yet though - View attachment 1165545
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
It doesn't auto rotate, its pretty much the Galaxy Nexus Launcher with a larger grid. But oh well really, its android, and as people have said in other threads, who uses the stock launcher anyway? Nothing Apex or Nova can't fix :D

I always questioned the rear camera on tablets. I mean first of all its pointless, even a 7 inch tab is much to large to carry around as your digital camera, and the cameras they put on them are smartphone cameras anyway so its not something you want to carry around if your a serious photographer, and secondly its the most blatently obvious thing to get rid of when trying to bring the price down on a tablet! I mostly use my flyer's camera to irritate my wife, lol I have a sectional couch and I sit on the loveseat portion, and she sits on the couch, and I like to sneak and take picture of her to irritate her. She hears the camera sound and gets annoyed. And yep thats really what a camera is on a tab, just a toy.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
Aw, Not a big deal anyway! Hey - I use the stock launcher on most devices LOL.

Yeah I never saw the point of the rear camera on the Flyer.. Used it once or twice, More a gimmick. Same can be said for the front facing camera! I used it twice, and it was to test Snapbooth, Nothing else! I don't video call or Skype so it's of no use to me!

With any luck the Nexus' screen is easier to see in sunlight than the Flyers' .. I couldn't see anything with the screen on 100%! I'm looking forward to the higher res screen.. The Flyer looks really pixelated when I look at my phone for long periods of time, And my phone isn't even that high res, 480*800 4" haha!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'm really thinking about it now lol. My biggest complaint with honeycomb is the lag and i hate gingerbread because of ugly phone versions of gmail, YouTube, maps, gvoice, etc. My roommate's gtab2 is quick and responsive except for the ui which is kind of laggy. You don't get the honeycomb look with the nexus but you still get honeycomb style apps, and to some extent honeycomb is more made for larger tablets as those virtual keys are easy to bump when your playing games etc. I'm going to sleep on it. i might call up the used video game store and see how much they'd pay for a flyer, as i kinda wanna sell quick if i do it
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
wait - you have a wife and a roommate?

oh nevermind that's really none of my business. please don't take this too seriously. I just find that to be odd and I'm just having a little fun.:confused:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jayochs:
God how I wish development wasn't dead for the view :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Hahahaha yep a "small" update.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I think android updates will get worse not be better and many have already mentioned that honeycomb was almost more of a downgrade than an upgrade. That's about the story with all manufacturers, imo they'd be better off just sticking with the version of android they have and updating their uis with new features and stability and performance updates
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
I'm saving this so you can eat your words later on
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
Android is imo in a way making fools of themselves. ICS is released, a very small percentage of devices are running it, then they release Jelly Bean. what was the point of ICS then? There are still "new" phones being released running gingerbread. I would think real hard about buying another phone that was not a nexus. The fragmentation fo android is getting way out of control. Not to mention the custom skins are not really an improvement over stock and most devices find ASOP builds thier most popular roms
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah see I am starting to think all the custom uis are out of date. They were for a time when android was uglier, but now android looks good on ics, hell really honeycomb and up. The skins just get in the way. But what I'm saying is if manufacturers decide to skin their device they might as well just not upgrade it to the latest version of android because they seem to spend months in r&d developing a platform for the phones hardware to run on, so updates never seem to work out. Not saying it's what I want but it's better than getting a broken android update and then being cut off.

And yeah I think jelly bean was too soon Imo.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] contradude:
Just in that they didn't have to do very much work at all but by not doing so, it kept us from getting on the new standard platform
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
What htc should of done was skip honeycomb all together and gone to ICS. Honeycomb just blows, it's too closed of a platform, any other device you could figure out how to re theme the menus and replace the lockscreen but honeycomb was closed source in its hey day and hardly anyone owned a tablet because that required a second mortgage! By the time they made it open source, every one moved on to ICS.

But woudla coulda shoulda. Still mulling over it myself, still thinking how nice a lag free os would be and never having to put up with the update waiting game or disappointment of not getting an update again.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Ok there are a far amount of changes from Gingerbread to ICS, especially I'm guessing if they tried to include pen support. Throw in the required testing and everything, and you are looking a LOT of man hours and thus a lot of money/time. Software Engineer's aren't cheap(I am one).
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah but it probably would of been cheaper and less hassle for HTC to go straight to ICS as ICS can be upgraded too from Gingerbread. Of course that would be assuming they weren't working on a honeycomb update already before it was released in which they actually were so at that point yeah it would cost more.

Definitely wish they would of gone straight to ICS for one reason:Chrome
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kardain:
It's that damned pen... Or that's my theory. Course that doesn't explain the jetstream unless it also uses it.

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I have an n7 on the way, I'll keep the flyer as a road trip device/media tank, having an ext_sd to stuff music on and not have to worry about space or blowing through at&t's throttle cap steaming using my phone for 1500 miles is nice....

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Am I reading right? No vibration motor on the nexus?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Cor, honestly bro just wait a bit before you buy a Nexus 7. There are just to many bugs at this point and this too http://mashable.com/2012/07/24/google-nexus-7-display/.

Save your time, cash and a headache stick with your Flyer for now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Sounds like a plan. I've been looking at the Nexus 7 forums, noticed lots of issues with the screen and stuff. Also since the 16 gig is already proving to be a hit maybe a 32 gig will come out later. I do want one but at the cost of my flyer? Not so sure about that.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I think I'm coming to the conclusion that I would like to replace the flyer with a better tablet, but the Nexus might not be that tablet. Sounds like a lot of compromise. But it is fine for me, just seems to be suffering from the first generation early adopters issues right now like for instance the RROD on xbox and YLOD on ps3, etc. Here's to hoping the next models fix the issues and maybe add more storage
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
I'm waiting for the full size Samsung Galaxy Note tablet (coming soon............)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I think I'd definitely like to see what's out there first. Then again when Lisbon gets perfected I may not care. Right now with the issues the nexus tab is having and short supply of the 16 gig version yeah its a no brainer to hold on to it. I have thought a gtab2 might not be a bad replacement. Yeah updates will be just as bad as the flyer but Samsungs are so easy to hack and typically xda supported so nice that if your willing to root, it's almost like owning a nexus anyway. That's how my captivate was. Ota's took forever and it got cut off too soon but as far as xda goes, it's getting jelly bean!

To be honest if the 16 gig was readily available I might have already hopped on it but it's back ordered everywhere and I don't want to go without a tablet for a while. I think I still will sell the psp though, haven't used it on a regular basis in 2 years or so.

Thanks for the insight sickmods. Not saying I won't still give up the flyer but not any time soon!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Been browsing the nexus forums, people are having all kinds of issues with them. One guy had his speaker blow out twice, hundreds more complaining about the screen calibration, a couple bad cpus, and screen separation is very common. Yeah I still want one but ill wait for the first revision to come out at least. Most likely they were manufactured quick to meet high demand.

On the bright side from what I read Google has been handling the warranties great.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deaglecat:
Well as the OP in this thread... an update is in order.

I went for a Nexus 7 which WAS perfect but shortly afterwards developed a small 0.2mm screen lift on the left hand side (when held in portrait mode)... this is a common problem (design or manufacturing flaw).

So I returned the unit and am now waiting for the early adopter issues to be resolved before ordering another. Basically it is borderline whether a screen that is not quite flush is classified as a fault - and I didn't want to be at the mercy of Asus once my Retailer return window expired.

So dear Flyer owners - you may want to stay with the your current devices (at least for a while longer ;-> ) until the Nexus 7 problems are resolved.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Very common issue from what I hear.

BTW I put my flyer on ebay, and I'm going to buy a 16 gig nexus 7. Plain and simple I'm not happy with it, never lived up to my expectations and why settle? I know that nexus has issues but I hear Google's handling of the warranty is great on it. I've gotten to the point recently where I hardly touch my flyer anymore because I'm sick of it, so if I have to wait on warranty its not much different. It's my hope the new batch of 16 gigs will fix have the screen problem fixed

Also going to sell the psp. It's been fun guys. Next goal will to rid myself on this locked down carrier phone and be done with Htc for life

Believe it or not holding the flyer was what made my final decision. Nexus looks more designed for one handed use, the flyer is difficult to hold as it's heavy and has a slick aluminum backplate.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Well if you are done on these forums then I'll say good luck, have fun, and see you around. I don't think we have always agreed on issues, but at least you make a legible argument, and can back your points up. Enjoy the Nexus and best wishes for you, your wife, and the little one.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
Would Love to have a N7 as a real use tablet, the Flyer is always on my desk, hooked up for development, and I'm broke for a new device :( 150$ to go, and meanwhile saving money for a new PC :(

Not meant as a request, but: guys, remember the ICS bounty topic? If just 15 people could donate 10$, you greatly help me to afford a new device as well. If you are grateful for months of work on CM7/MIUI/Lisbon ICS on the Flyer, this would be a great token of appreciation, as I really want to do development for N7 as well, next to the Flyer :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Thanks man. Yeah I did complain too much and you made me realize. Spent the last month trying to actively make my flyer better instead of complaining but torn with the new nexus out there. Just finally came to that conclusion that with a nexus I could spend more time enjoying it and using it instead of wiping, redoing it, desperately digging for launchers and web browsers etc

And chaos I'll see what I can do about throwing a donation your way :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Chaos, I'll throw some money your way too after this Friday, you deserve it. But before you move on to the Nexus 7 could you please release your kernel source so those of us back here on the Flyer have something to mess with? I'm also kinda curious to see how many of the bugs in Dexter's ROM your kernels fixes.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Lol I may not sell it after all, no haven't changed my mind just not willing to take a huge loss on it, and I gotta make enough from my auctions to afford a nexus 7. I might look at other options, anyone have any experience selling on xda? Those of you who sold your flyers, how much?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
The N7 will be a tablet for daily usage, the Flyer will still be my dev tablet. So work on the Flyer will continue at the same pace ;) It's just that the Flyer is always being used for development, so I can't use it on a daily basis ("let's read a newspaper, oh wait, non-booting kernel installed -.-). So don't worry, development will go on. And yes, when I'm back, I'll upload the new source ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Ah ok cool, I know how that goes. That's the whole reason I got a flyer in the first place was for development, but now it's sorta started to grow on me and I use it more and more.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
lol my friend just got a flyer off of craigslist with the pen for $140, I checked it out for him today and it was mint.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'd probably go $150. I got mine buy it now at 180, but taking offers. I thought about Craigs list just dunno ebay seems more safe even though Craigs list would be less of a hassle.

I don't have a pen though. They average for $150,I'll probably drop its price a bit more tommorrow.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Ordered my Nexus Tablet! I just charged it, going to pay it off with money I get from my Flyer, Zune, and PSP on ebay. Might be a little short as the Flyer has depreciated quite a bit, but oh well I shouldn't have much to pay off after all that. I already knew my ancient Zune wasn't worth anything, and the PS Vita launched earlier this year, making the PSP an outdated game console now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Having a major issue with my new nexus... I can't put it down. If you're thinking about getting one do it! It's epic
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
Now eat up!!!!!!!!!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SinisterModz:
lol and don't forget this
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Indecisiveness at its best. Kind if talking something down thinking you might want it less but it doesn't work lol. Just couldn't resist the urge to jump at a nexus tab. It's not for everyone but if you don't need the stuff its lacking its great.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah and a kid coming in a week or so, as well as 4 cats... well 3 our ours, the other one is my roommate's. He was my roommate before I met my wife. Just one of those things where he's not causing any problems and money is good so why kick him out?

The kid coming is mainly why I'm thinking of waiting for now and just dealing with my flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Arghhh so hard to decide. I worry I may not be able to raise enough money too, and honestly I got a 16 gig flyer don't wanna downgrade, but as ridiculous as it sounds, raising $200 is easier than $250. SD slot would be more important to me if they'd let you install game data on it. That's what sucks about the Flyers 8 gig partition for internal storage, I actually ran out from installing games on it. I think if it was out now the decision would be easier too, but I'm going to have to go without a tab for a couple weeks. Decisions decisions.

I think right now the decision is I won't be selling it to pre order the new nexus but in a couple weeks its a possibility. Or just wait till Christmas time and buy one without having to scrape. Yeah so much for sleeping on it
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
Congrats on the one on the way.:good: Hopefully your roommate is a good baby sitter as well.;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Thanks! Btw I'm keeping the Flyer. Still getting a nexus at some point but might as well keep my original purchase regardless :). I know I've complained about the Flyer a lot but I don't hate it. And I still want to see where senseless and Lisbon go from here do for now the Flyer stays!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
From what i'm hearing the Senseless Rom is really flying. I too am waiting for Lisbon to develop to the point that I can use it as my daily driver. The thing is though for my uses i really need the pen to be functioning accurately. I also would like to have the MHL working.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'd say anymore that's why I won't get a pen. It's just not built into android source and developers have to almost come up with their own way to get it working. I think I read somewhere that cyanogenmod team snuffed our tab because they couldn't figure out how to get the pen working and that's a big deal for them because eveything has to work. The pen idea is cool but you almost have to stay on stock to use it.

Can't really regret this tab too much. Sure I paid as much at the time as I would of for a nexus tab now but waiting for the nexus would of meant I wouldn't of had the cash to buy one when it came out anyway. I'm married I know how that goes lol. If you want something you have to buy it when you have the cash or your wife will spend it on something else!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Xxul:
Well i sport the flyer for half a year now and will prolly oreder a evo view 4g from the states to use 4g networks here in eu, so im staying with it fo sure,

However for 200$ you cant go wrong, so i'll buy it nevertheless ( and a nexus q, that i need asap!)

The nexus is a media tablet, you know for vids, pictres, it will be a much different use than the flyer..

One thing that concernes me is googles emphasys on the google play bond, it seems that everything you read, watch, listen MUST come from google play (hence no sd card slot, but a external hdd fixes it) and that means i need to buy stuff.. kinda reminds of apple..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I'm sure amazon app store and amazon mp3 work just fine
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
Congratulations on your new child! Mine is coming in a few weeks too, It's the Nexus! ;)

You never know, I put my Flyer on Gumtree (UK equivalent of craigslist afaik?) on Wednesday night at around half eight UK time and someone handed over £160 for it at four thirty in the afternoon the next day! Haha

The pen was a cool gimmick while it lasted, But towards the end of my three months with it, I completely stopped using it and left it at home.. I'm really not the artsy type - I can't draw to save my life haha and I never saw myself writing with the pen at all :)

You should try Craigslist or eBay, You never know :-)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Its all good, I still plan on getting one but I'm realizing the Flyer is only as bad as you make it:) I've found a new found love for the thing with the senseless rom, and I'll probably keep it after I pick up a nexus, maybe make it my wife's toy

Yeah I don't even own a pen. Always too expensive to pick up and almost makes you a slave to stock roms
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Jamielawther:
I was using Senseless 2.0 for a day or so, Then I tried to go back to GB and temporarily bricked my tablet lol!

Yeah, thats why I never flashed anything other than HTC roms because of the pen :/ The pens are still selling for £50 over here! Albeit not very many haha.. I don't even think the ThinkPad is selling many units! Tablets with pen input are ahead of their time I think.. Soon a day will come when Apple release a pen for their devices, Then people will be going crazy for the pen haha