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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] johninsf:
Will this impact the JB OTA?

FWIW, I read somewhere that the judge has also placed a lien on Apple totalling millions. If the final ruling shows that patents were not infringed upon, the money will go to Samsung for lost sales.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JaiaV:
Nope, should not have anything to do with updates at all. Think this question was asked a few times already though,.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nyijedi:
Oh, I agree. I was responding to a post that said the point of patent law is to eliminate competition. There's a difference between its intended use in society and Apple's strategy. That's all I'm saying.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] johninsf:
Thx and sorry for repost.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jyveafk:
There's now more coming apparent. Before, Apple would make their outrageous claims and the faithful would blindly believe it, with a tech press that was also obviously divided (both pro/con Apple).

The speed tests are an odd thing, and strange carriers don't make more fuss about how their phones are faster than the iPhones, I suspect there's heavy legal contracts in place to stop carriers (apart from TMobile perhaps) drawing too much attention to this, plus it saves them money not needing to implement the faster networks.

That the press doesn't really rub it in is understandable to a point too, unless streaming videos, you don't actually need as much bandwidth as they try to sell you. It's an undercurrent that's always there, and obviously will be loudly trumpeted when the iPhone5 comes out with network speeds we've been enjoying for a long time.

What really must be causing them issues is the independent testing of things like;

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/29/minneapolis-street-test-google-gets-a-b-apples-siri-gets-a-d/

that are quite obviously showing iPhones in a worst light than Google technology. There's no 'well, it all depends on...' or 'you're holding it wrong' or hard to quantify quality over quantity.

It's at a stage where anyone, can take 2 devices, hold them together and see for themselves that one is far and away better than the other. That the press is starting to pick up on this. I'm sure Apple will be sending notes to stores that stock both to stop customers trying this for themselves.

But at long last, there's a hard fast fact that one product is (x)% better than the other.

Appears it's something Apple can, if they want to, improve. Fix those results as apparently it used to work better. But it'll be hard to sell it to advertisers as well as Google can to their vendors.

/sigh. the battle continues.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I thought it was obvious to everybody apple is running out of ideas and putting on a new coat of paint. I.e. higher resolution is only going to carry them so far. The apple junkies are starting to see the light and seeing the light in quad hd isn't going do much if just the games look nicer. Enterprise is probably where the next big bread crumb is and both apple and google still have a ways to go.

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bleach168:
On the bright side, for those of us who already have a GNex, the resale value should be excellent. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qnet:
I'm in the same boat. I ordered a little after 10 PM on the 29th.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electronixgimp:
ya i feel ya bro, although i talked to a google rep and he told me as far as he knows they're still taking orders and shipping out so he said mine will ship out monday
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] OmgitzFire:
This is just a desperate and pathetic move by apple . But I'm pretty sure the ruling will be overturned eventually.

PS. I just ordered my Gnex a few hours ago , the earliest they will ship will be Monday so I ll just have to wait til then to get the confirmation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hp13:
USA (other euro counties where apple is dominated) is full of ****.... I like how India, China and other third world countries don't give **** about this stuff. Their courts have bigger problems to deal then stupid apples injunctions.

Apple could have used all that money on donating to poor people instead ...

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
Apple's first concern is their well being. They are addicted to money and power.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
Ok..regarding the Siri and actionable linking patents, why wouldn't the two of those be FRAND anyway? The way i see it, with the laws regarding talking on the phone, texting, etc while driving doesn't that kind of put those two features into the all devices need category? I mean, if am driving and lost, shouldn't i be able to ask my phone to detect my location, search my area and/or apps for directions and then allow me to do a quick tap to choose whether i want maps or navigater as my default? i mean, we aren't allowed to physically type where we need to go while driving Soooo... I guess technically could pull over and do it but you get my drift right?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hoezack:
It all makes sense why the gnex dropped so low. Get as many gnex out before the injunction in the united states.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
I think everyone needs to start directing this frustration towards Congress and other organizations that have "pull" in this aspect. Can anyone come up with a website that allows users to select their local Congress member and then emails them a universal statement that we can just add our signature to? Kind of like what the Colbert Report did here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ams-congress-press-secretaries_n_1418901.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rasinell:
Long winded but factual history of this patent battle for the interested and fanboys that can read

http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-29/apple-s-war-on-android#p1
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
Just wait till Apple ditched Google services completely. They ditched Google Maps, who knows they will ditched Google Search!

When that happens, I hope Google will go thermonuclear and sue Apple with whatever.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
One thing I noticed is that fanboys aren't interested in facts or enlightenment.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rasinell:
Lol, very very true! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
What an interesting read! Sums up the entire dispute nicely. What craziness.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Are they saying that Apple gave her a pearl necklace :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rasinell:
Genius funny as always :thumbup:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] deepanshu sharma:
I hope it will be available on play store till july end since my uncle will be reaching US on 17th and i've asked him to buy this phone for me.....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dhruvraj:
Here's a programmers interpretation of the patents in question

http://www.i-programmer.info/news/8...laxy-nexusa-programmer-reads-the-patents.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bozzykid:
It probably will. Apple hasn't posted the bond yet and Samsung has already appealed. I would imagine there will still be stock left in the US for some time even if the import ban does go into affect.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericshmerick:
Anyone thinking of getting a GNEX as a backup? I'm actually serious. If mine breaks (I have an import w/no warranty) I really don't want to pay $900 for one on eBay. I can see the listings now "RARE BANNED GALAXY NEXUS MINT."

Sigh.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] techfanatic9:
Apple is like a big baby. When someone takes one piece of a toy from them they go cry to their rich daddy (AKA their money).

They never want to benefit anyone else they want everything for themselves.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sarkozy:
That scenario will not happen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DroidDavi:
I was talking to a iclown at work and he is so blind to it. If your a fan boy cool do you but to just accept it as a non issue is sad. These a difference in being a fan and just being blind ignoring the facts that's what separates idiots from apple fans who have brains.

Apple has put out products that have very small upgrades and people still line up

Android oem are pushing lte hd screens bigger battery's bigger screens

This kills apples business plan people asked for those things but didn't cry now that all those things are being done on another os apple won't be able to get away with half ass upgrades

If you want to half ass your upgrades and give me nothing that wasn't here last year fine but leave android alone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
Off topic, but does anyone think google will make the next nexus because they made the nexus q?

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] armyboy11b:
Ahhhh I bought the nexus 7 off Google play..is that going to be banned also? So I won't receive it????
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nbdysreal:
I heard that they will cancel your order* and give your money straight to apple :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ben dover:
Lmao
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dimgl:
Apple is poking at the beast. Google has an incredible legal team, it is only a matter of time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iSaint:
I hate how crap like this happen and all I hear on the news is the ruling on health care :mad:

Don't these people have priorities :what:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
It was a bad week for America in general.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DevilStrider:
Picked up a Gnexus today.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] saveferris:
Surely Google has to bite back now.....its been the most direct attack by apple on Google to date....on a phone that was designed by Google and is running stock OEM Android software.

Regards the Notification patent, it hasn't been awarded to Google as yet, though they have filled for it.......hopefully its approved by the time Iphone 5 is released.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
Sorry, couldn't help myself. :o
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dragn4rce:
It's a Google phone. It's the home of Google Software. That's why. Apple figured, "it's the developer phone, so let's kill development!!!"

Apple fail. New Nexus on the way to change how we see the lock screen and make apple think,".............Sh!T!!! What do we do!!! I know lets sue them even having a phone!!! And well pay the judge all kinds of money to permit it!!!"

Yeah. This is how I envision apple.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
At least you have the sense to know you're entirely off-base.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
The sad thing is that on the surface of the 1 relevant patent apple is in the right. The problem is that apple should have never been granted the patent to begin with. They managed to use very vague language to be granted a patent on an already established industry standard. The ability to search. I know its been said time and time again but it really can't be said enough. The US patent system needs an overhaul to correct itself and work the way it was originally designed to do.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ImSherlocked:
That's the problem with most of the Apple fanboys. Some of the die hard Apple fanboys in my office have a standard reply like "But an iPhone is an iPhone" to everything I say. Most of them can't even argue about iPhone/Android on technical level. They think retina display is an innovation! iPhone given it's price at best is a fashion accessory.

One day a fanboy was even making fun of the way all android versions are named after desserts/food. He even forgot he is a fanboy of a company named after a fruit/food!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
http://m.cnet.com/news/italy-threatens-apple-with-fine-temporary-closure/57465130 Plus they just had to pay the Chinese 60 mill. Lol ha ha ha. Looks like everyone getting tired of Apples ****
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
I frequently see you sticking up for Apple and hating on android. Why are you here if that's the case?

I see you've developed a lot, and props for that..

Just genuinely curious why you don't use an iPhone then?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
http://m.cnet.com/news/even-judges-are-fed-up-with-patent-lawsuits/57449607

Update for this injunction.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
Praise the lord, apple is annoying.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
If that's the case where apple was found to infringe upon Motorola patents then that actually kind of sucks. That would mean cases where apple is at fault get tossed but cases where they cry foul get injunctions in their favor.

Edit: Good thing :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
“A tap is a zero-length swipe.”

― Apple Inc.

Lol really Apple? reallllly?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] earlyberd:
If they shouldn't have been granted the patent, then they're not in the right. They stole an idea, put their name on it, and sued other people for using an idea that they didn't create.

Never assume the law is right because it is the law. If you don't agree with it and it's not satisfactorily serving public interest, then the law needs to be amended or abolished.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/02/us-apple-china-idINBRE86104320120702 and this one in Italy. http://www.appleinsider.com/article...end_apple_operations_in_warranty_dispute.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
I completely agree. What I said was on the surface. On the surface apple was granted a patent and that patent may be being infringed upon. While they hold the patent they can try to protect their patent. It is their right to protect what they have patents on. What needs to be corrected more than anything in this situation is how they managed to get such a vague patent to begin with. Correct the system and this no longer becomes an issue. But until that happens and while apple hold said vague patent they are still in the right to try to protect it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] c5satellite2:
Gene Roddenberrys estate should sue everyone!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jmattp:
I love how this attack didn't go to Windows, Palm/Web OS, Ubuntu (Linux in general), Symbian, MeeGo, Blackberry, and any other operating system that has a searchable database.

Actually, Apple should go back in time and sue Donald D. Chamberlin and

Raymond F. Boyce for designing SQL while they're at it.

Oh wait... this is about protecting their IP. Yeah... :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] c5satellite2:
I have been saying the same thing for months!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
iOS is over 70% of apples profit machine. Android is what threatens this. Plus Steve jobs saw android as a direct rip off of his greatest creation and wanted nothing more that to destroy it. Android is the only thing that is capable of taking down the apple machine and is doing just that. Apple is afraid of what is happening and what will happen in the down road. Without Steve jobs and iOS apple is dead.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bbgt2:
This is just sad that a company like Apple has the courts in their pocket. Shocker I know. Why don't they just sue Google directly? Oh because they won't win so let's just clog up the court system with useless crap
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Samsung is more powerful than Google though... at least in terms of monetary value... (maybe even influence?)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
I harbor as much loyalty to these companies as they do to me... none.

I leave that silliness to others.

As for not using an iPhone, for starters I've never used one for more than a minute, and they're also quite expensive to buy off contract. Not a big fan of the 3.5" screen either.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
That is exactly what i have been saying from day one! Way back when they first went after the first Android htc device. I think that's the one anyway. Whatever, when Android first came out. I called apple chicken **** back then too. And they aren't going after google because they need them too much right now. I mean, Google is everywhere
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] harveydent:
Two updates:

Samsung Appeals Galaxy Nexus Ban, Wants To Stay Injunction For Length Of Appeal

Samsung And Google Will Work Together To Hold Off Apple Legal Threats

and only obliquely related but interesting anyway:

ITC denies Apple's request for emergency ban on HTC devices
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
Where can I email these people?

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
http://m.cnet.com/news/micron-to-buy-major-apple-supplier-elpida-takes-on-samsung/57465460 Apple is just straight dirty! Guess they also just stocked up on bunch of dram also!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
Oh yes yes yes! I'm so excited I think I just peed my pants!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] segv11:
The article discusses a cross-licensing deal to keep Apple off Android's case in return for a promise not to come after Samsung/Google. That is a very good sign.

But it's not enough. Apple's _bullshit_ patents, ALL OF THEM, need to be invalidated, along with all the BS patents held by other patent trolls. It is not enough for Android simply to win this patent battle: the patent WAR needs to be won so that all coders (not just Google) can freely practice their craft. And that requires nothing less than the permanent extinction of all forms of patent-trolling by reforming the US Patent system.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
This one seemed to explain a bit more about it. I think anyway

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-google-stand-united-against-apple-patent-fight-99016/ and I think Google should make their search page have some sort of Android stomping Apple like thing! Totally unprofessional by standards but should be totally funny
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] c5satellite2:
100% TRUTH! And it is not just crApple!

Whole patent system has become a joke.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dhruvraj:
here's something to worry about though :

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/android-devices-have-already-been-found.html

11 patents have been found to stand valid and infringed by android, in various courts around the world....

This is more serious than we think of it right now...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mr mystery:
Unless Google pays up it will be Microsoft and Apple left standing in the war I think. Patents are going to rip Android it seems.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Its been a bad week for me :( me and my gf are fighting, Obamacare stands, Apple cockblocking Android left and right, sunburn...at least its the weekend. I did buy a Wii and a bunch of games for $50 :laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
The preliminary injunction is to stop any furture damages from happening while they decide if there are in fact infringements. Eventually a judge will decide if there is fault or not. Either way I believe the loser will be paying the other.

Google has enough patents to cause great harm to apple. They need to start exercising them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] IINexusII:
its about time Google skydive into Apple HQ guns blazing
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] El Nivek:
What's maddening here is that the judge found that the Galaxy Nexus is "no more than colorably different". We seriously need experienced tech judges reviewing these sorts of cases.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] etmccreary:
^^^This
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jameslepable:
I understand the premise but it is essentially the judge saying they are guilty. It should be the other way around. If they are found guilty they should pay up, trials take months and having a phone banned for a few months basically kills it because when the jury decides it doesn't infrindge then the hardware is ancient. The iPhone infringes on many patients but is never had an injunction. Definitely under the table deals...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
We should nominate Leo Laporte to supreme Court
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
I have my nexus, but what will it mean to me? Apple needs to stop being a sort loser and compete better, but I blame the patent system. Google needs to fire back its a direct assault on their phone. Apple is like the kid who's father works in the court while android is the stranger, that's how I see it.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] welchertc:
You sir are my exact cyber twin this week minus the Wii. Let's both have a beer tonight and be glad tomorrow is another day. =].

Seriously though, Apple is just turning into a broken record. Google should just ban the use of any Google services on all Apple products and see how long they last. Android is so far ahead of iOS already, this patent trolling won't keep Apple alive for long. If they want to succeed, they would realize they need to actually innovate themselves and stop hoping they can slow down others with lawsuits enough to keep up.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
Its kind of like when someone is sent to jail with no bond to await trial. The sad part is that these things often to take quite some time to work out and even if apple loses they still have essentially killed the gnex because by the time the ban is over the gnex will have been outdated and surpassed. It only will cost them 96 million which is nothing to apple.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JaiaV:
What Apple is doing is being insidiously clever. All of the features they have sued Android OEMs for are stock Android features. Apple is going for each individual phone on separate OEMs to try and attempt to get a single case through. Once Apple has established legal precedent on one device, they can attack Android as a whole much more easily. Unfortunately, legal precedent isn't working the opposite way (once Apple lost the first suit against these features and didn't succeed in appeal, legal precedent should apply in Android's favor) as Apple has as of yet treated each as a completely separate issue. Apple has avoided attacking Google directly because once they have lost that fight on these patents the fight is over. If Apple wins even one of these suits Android is in much more trouble :/

At least that is how I understand it with my admittedly extremely limited legal knowledge.Hopefully history continues to repeat Apple's failure to actually win one of these.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] El Nivek:
The judge ruled:

Oh, Google and Samsung just lose their flagship Jelly Bean phone right after they marked it down to $350, that's all. Smh.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
If this stands I guess there may be a new nexus this year after all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xxprodigyxx11:
I can't wait to see the iPhone die a fiery death. Android is taking over the smart phone world and apple knows it. Their desperate.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] C-4Nati:
How does this affect current gnex owners? Will the phone still get jelly bean updates and stuff in the future?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] johnchad14:
This makes me want to smash my ipad on the middle of the street. I kinda dig it but it makes me nauseated to have given that company money. Never again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jvrobert:
This is why I will never buy anything from Apple, including the various proliferations of the iPod (iPod, iPod 3G, iPod XL, iPod 4G, etc..) or anything from iTunes, Macs, etc... I will also bad mouth them to anyone I know and steer anyone I can away from them.

Even a few hundred thousand nerds with this attitude can have a not insignificant impact due to influence.

I'd like to see their competitors play hardball. It's worth it to spend a lot of money attacking Apple now, or they'll lose a lot more in the future. Asymmetric warfare is what's needed.

Samsung should have some mysterious problems in their fabs and be unable to ship iPod parts reliably, maybe (LG?) has supply problems with their screens. They also need to apply every patent they can come up with and sue for injunctions.

If they can halt sales of the iPod 3G or upcoming iPod 4g for a month or two it will be _very_ bad for Apple. People will suddenly realize they have other choices that are cheaper and just as good or better.

Also, I just ordered a Nexus last night, my nerd rage will be further inflamed if they don't ship it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
IF the ban stands it will have no impact on models already sold. It's still a nexus and will receive updates. IF models are pulled from shelves the eBay value of yours has just gone up ;)