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[HTC One X] alextheg:
As has been mentioned "fastboot", is easy enough to get to grips with so i too do not need S-off. However, i do want it !

For one thing its my bloody device, im paying for it after all. For another, with S-off hopefully it will be possible to completely lock the bootloader once again. Not just "fastboot oem lock", whereby hboot displays "relocked". Obviously handy for warranty matters.

In the wider picture though its also about OEMs thinking they can manipulate loyal customers.......

The thing is many people are giving HTC their hard earned money for a piece of hardware they have every right to fully use and explore. Yet with devices being stuck at S-on, i dont believe users are getting the full deal they deserve. The whole HTCDev unlock thing is utter BS in my honest opinion. Full potential = no warranty. Shameful. We all know that Sense ROMs are good but there are better ones out there.

Its the same with PC's. You buy one pre - installed with Windows 7. Then you decide to use something free and open source. You simply go ahead do your research on dual booting etc and then you get on with it. Or at least you could until Microsoft gave birth to Windows 8, Anyone familliar with the story of how OEM machines shipping with Windows eight will run in "Secure Boot Mode". Hence preventing the user from running OS's like Linux. Its almost like Microsoft's own version of S-on.........
[HTC One X] BenPope:
You're wrong. Windows 8 is only locked for Arm, not x86 machines.
[HTC One X] alextheg:
I stand corrected. The point is the same though. Hardware being locked out by OEMs
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
It's a nice theory, but flawed.

When you buy a car... you fool around with a few extras, configure certain things.... but you can't usually modify the engine management unit, or ABS system.

If you DO fool around with those things, and you crash?... then nobody's going to be on your side, least of all the manufacturer.

You're not free to modify the car in absolutely ANY way you please... because there are 'rules' that the car has to obey to work with other road users. A mobile phone is a device that receives and transmits radio... it is legally bound to comply with specific regulations. You are NOT free to do whatever you like with it and (potentially) interfere with the networks / other users. Bad radio code can do that.
[HTC One X] donmarkoni:
I'm sorry this had to be my first post, but as a long time lurker and user of custom kernels/ROMs, I was compelled to reply.

IMHO, your explanation is fundamentally wrong. You are judging people before they did anything wrong. If I do custom modifications and do something wrong, I accept the punishment. But forbidding anyone to do anything because they MIGHT do wrong is absolutely WRONG.

What about all these devs around, should they all be arrested like pimps for offering something possibly bad? Then we should be judged too for using their products, don't we?

I'm really sorry for this being my first post. :(

Anyway, cheers to everybody! :highfive:
[HTC One X] f4flake:
It's a poor argument. The ECU of a car is akin to the bios of a computer. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to rip the seats out the back and make more room in the boot.

You're analogy is entirely flawed and shows a basic misunderstanding of s-off.

I'd also like to challenge this oft repeated "bad radio code interferes with a network". Firstly, do you think mobile networks would not be hardened enough to deal with bad radio code? If they weren't don't you think we'd constantly here stories about how the networks got crashed, either by bad geeks or terrorist or some ****e?

The companies always say it, but I'm yet to hear of any instance where this has been shown to be reasonably true.
[HTC One X] MrT69:
I will sell my HOX.

In the meantime I'm so pissed off from this HTC crap.

Years ago this was one reason why I moved to HTC because they supported that you can play with your device and OS.

Since the release of Sensation they moved away from this policy.

If I want to have an incredible locked device I will buy a IPhone. If you know one device you can use every other device. This sux.

I will hope they will think about this again. But for now I will buy a Samsung Galaxy S III because I want to have and use my mobile within my way.

Time to say good bye to HTC because they can keep this trash!!!
[HTC One X] thecoby:
Ok.
[HTC One X] Hassan99:
I'm thinking also about a change to Samsung... but the Interface is soooo ugly :(

But I want root without loosing my warranty
[HTC One X] Cristianop:
U dont loose ur whole warranty. Just Part of it. If u unlock bootloader and flash custom Rom and suddenly ur display is damaged e.g. then it will replaced cuz it has nothing to do with unlocking and flashing procedure.

On the other hand If u use custom Rom / kernel and oc CPU and CPU breaks then MAYBE u r in trouble.

But hey I didn't want to unlock neither.few months ago I wanted to wait for soff but nothing happened so I decided to unlock cuz I was really disappointed with stock Rom.

Now I'm a few months on arhd and what to say? Was my best decision. Just the advantage to use root apps is worth for me to unlock bootloader.

Just my 2 cents .

Sent from my HTC One X
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
It's not flawed at all... you're able to change 90% of the operating system / apps / UI, but certain secure information (in the eyes of the manufacturer and network operator) should not be accessible, for a multitude of reasons.

Networks ARE resilient... of course they are, but elements of them can be brought down (and have been) due to phone issues. Of course, we aren't talking about an entire infrastructure, but certainly cell performance (and in some cases whole cells have been brought down). It is of course also illegal to operate unapproved radio code (in most nations). The Air Interface is not something most operators would like you to mess with. Why do you think they spend month of operator approval and field testing? ill configured handsets affect network performance.

A cell isn't particularly difficult to bring down / jam... a distributed attack IS considerably more difficult, but again possible.

Please, show a little respect for people that actually work in the industry and are explaining to you why S-On exists. I'm not condoning it, I'm explaining to you why operators continuously press handset manufacturers to provide secure handsets, and 'tolerate' custom ROMs (through gritted teeth).

It's not just radio code they are worried about, it's IMEI modification and attempts to feign specific MSISDNs (which would be stored on SIM for GSM, but could theoretically still be feigned)... 100% access to every aspect of Mobile Equipment (the handset) is an operator's nightmare.

S-ON does not JUST exist as some scam to void your warranty... that's merely a convenient side effect for the manufacturer..

Let me also give you a crude example of how bad radio code affects a cell...

in a typical TDMA network, each handset is uniquely given a time frame in which to transmit (and receive) radio data. It's not transmitting all the time. The timing information from the Base Station is computed and adjusted 'on the fly' for every single handset registered in the cell. If you have a rogue handset choosing to ignore this timing data (called Timing Advance), it will effectively transmit during about phone's 'window'. This then becomes a source of interference.

The A-interface (Air Interface) is very resilient to all manner of noise, but it can't perform miracles. If you have a cell full of popular phones (like say, the iPhone, and they're all running broken radio code) then there's a real hit on the cell performance. You know what that means? the Carrier / Operator lose money, and they come back to the handset manufacturer aggressively. It can result in the carrier failing to range the next set of handsets from that manufacturer (ranging = buying).

This is why there are so many variants of radio software across the same handset... they are fine tuned for each and every carrier (even though they all conform to international 'standards'). Orange UK will typically have different radio code than SFR France... same standard, different radio?... because the operator DEMANDS specific radio performance on their network.
[HTC One X] MrT69:
During the S-OFF try & doing phase I have had killed my Sensation 3 times & they always repaired my Sensation via RMA.

And I know that HTC never have had so much RMA requests with the Sensation compared with other devices.

They realy think this problem was related to the device. The problem was the S-OFF thing.

And if this failed you only need to make a full & hard brick on the device. ;)

It will cost much less RMA to release a S-OFF tool. I don't know who have had decided this strategie but this guy must be an idiot.

I understand the strategie of HTC to prevent device kills which might happens via an custom rom. But from my point of view the most bricks happens not because of the ROM. It happens to prepair the device for a custom ROM.

And if you think about all of this facts you can compare this with only one other device.

Apple's IPhone
[HTC One X] madman_cro:
Can we use this to skip fastboot

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/s-on-kernel-installation-now-possible-for-evo-lte/
[HTC One X] interw:
Share your sentiment completely. Have loved HTC phones. Owned 7 devices since the WM6 days. But the HOX... loss of warranty just to root is a step too far.

Like you, I am seriously considering the S3 which I can root without losing the 2 year warranty. Shame.
[HTC One X] f4flake:
Kin ell lad, up your own hoop much?

S-on exists in order to further monetise products.

Get over yourself.
[HTC One X] Barina:
i want to root but don't want to HTCDev unlock it.. what should i do?
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
Nothing.
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
It's best to keep quiet and be suspected of knowing nothing than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
[HTC One X] wardy01:
i cannot believe that there is still no s-off, i am now glad i sold my new one x for a galaxy s3, i have never looked back, its so much more easy to use/install things/neat samsung extras,

opened my new s3

rooted

custom recovery

custom rom

custom kernal

all within 15 mins of opening the box.....

but still few months on and still cant even do that with the htc.... fail right there.

still a great device but hey ho...
[HTC One X] kryptoner:
Hey ho you troll.. go away before everyone starts bashing you :D
[HTC One X] bogfather:
That's only as long as it takes to flash on the one x so you haven't gained any time
[HTC One X] wardy01:
lol @troll....

nah im as devasted as you proberly are about this whole s-off...

it may be the same time but i have gained the knowing i don't have to use a pc to flash it all and i can walk any were and go to recovery and bam installed a new rom with now worries,

i was all for the one x waited and payed up my contract just so i could get an upgrade for it, and then waited patiently to gain s-off but i couldn't deal with it any more and jumped ship and never looked back,

any way i am not here to cause issue just a bit shocked its still no further tbh.

cheers:good:
[HTC One X] Laurentius26:
lol talking @bout trolls....

If you sold your hox and were happy with your SIII you wouldn't be here anymore haha.. :cyclops:

So who's trolling here, you had to mention the name isn't? :silly:

'You jumped ship and never looked back', what are you doing now? :D
[HTC One X] wardy01:
1 was intrigued to see if any progress had been made or htc have still failed slightly. lol. i shall leave now i will proberly check back in 3 months...........

:p
[HTC One X] Laurentius26:
It's ok buddy, but you asked for it, and it's not HTC who failed,

you seem like a nice guy looking at your respond now haha.. ;)
[HTC One X] jed27.galvez:
what are the advantages of having an s-off phone? my phone is s-off and all i've ever done to it was flash the 2.14.401.2 RUU.
[HTC One X] N3m3515:
you can root it without voiding warranty. change your cid and flash kernels without using a pc.
[HTC One X] stuart0001:
None whatsoever. In fact it makes the phone run slower. I'm in a generous mood so I'll swap it for my s-on model if you want :D
[HTC One X] JEZ69:
Hello you said we can change the cid? it is possible?
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
With S-OFF it is possible:

fastboot oem writecid 11111111
[HTC One X] itaimizr:
Mr

What do you mean?
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
That's the command for super CID.
[HTC One X] JDR0iD:
There's an s off one x for sale for testers...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=31785939
[HTC One X] xmoo:
2.14? Havnt seen that one yet. Only 2.05, 2.08, 2.10, 2.15 and 2.17.
[HTC One X] jed27.galvez:
Sorry about the typo. I meant the 2.17 RUU. :)

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[HTC One X] mikalovtch:
Get S-OFF on HTC One X

Hey. Tell me, can I get s-off on HTC One X through the computer? And now it turns out it is only possible with USB OTG
[HTC One X] bogfather:
We can't gain s-off yet
[HTC One X] Higgins12:
And HTC won't give it to us. Just got this Email regarding to S-OFF
[HTC One X] xmoo:
Hahaha S-OFF will void warranty.... No way!
[HTC One X] ghori1989:
I know that you have s-off'd your one x and it is not possible to leak the files that are required due to peoples jobs at risk etc. Have u been able to find a way round to help the rest of the one x community who dont have connections with htc staff/ file leakers?
[HTC One X] xmoo:
Yes the developement did continue. We even found a way to temp root. But access to HBOOT was still restricted. So still no solution :(
[HTC One X] backfromthestorm:
`Development DID continue`?
[HTC One X] angusc:
To put it in plain English....is the development still continuing now?

Sent witH desire from One X
[HTC One X] xchasa:
Pretty sure most things have been tried. Unless we have correct diag file, correct card and cable setup it's HTC dev unlock for a long time I'd say.

No Soff for us!
[HTC One X] mibikin:
I thought of something the other day. If anyone has heard of Flash Image GUI, that allows the flashing of Boot.IMG and Recovery.IMG files. If someone could code an app that would be similar to that that would let us flash HBOOT.IMG files, we could flash the S-OFF HBOOT files.

Sent from my Ice Cold, Jelly filled, One X.
[HTC One X] SbTro:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1902559 this is my experience ... i will update it when i recive an answer again.
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
No.

The problem is that you simply can't write HBOOTs that aren't signed. No app is going to be able to flash HBOOT until S-OFF is gained.
[HTC One X] madman_cro:
I use trips cm10 unleashed and his 3.1 kernel. When he updates I update
[HTC One X] orb3000:
Thread cleaned

Ok please stop posting off topic, and respect other members.
[HTC One X] Cristianop:
So any News regarding s-off? I assume not. xD

Gesendet von meinem EndeavorU
[HTC One X] Vcek:
Currently my only hopes for s-off is by the paid method if its possible to remotely connect the phone to the S-OFF hardware(its going to be hard to set up a virtual usb hub)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] chevybythesea:
So - I got impatient, and side-loaded ICS .211

Works great!

But.....of course, now the OTA is available to all.

Is there anyway to go back, and get the OTA ICS? I am assuming there are minor differences that would be best to have, right?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] just lou:
There is no difference.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] daniel644:
.211 is .211 any way you SLICE it :laugh::laugh::laugh:, plain and simple, not to mention barring some funky method explained over at droidrzr.com once you went .211 you couldn't go back anyway!!!
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dodialfaed:
This is my optimus one covered in a gelaskin. I'm not posting this to advertise just to show you guys a perfect way to customize your p500. :D
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] IKnowIRock!:
How did u do that?? :confused:

Sent from my LG-P500 running Ginger Snap
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dodialfaed:
Skin is ordered from gelaskin.com

On their website you can customize it in various ways:)
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] IKnowIRock!:
Looks great...thanx for sharing :)

Sent from my LG-P500 running Ginger Snap
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dokvader114:
look awsome!!!

thanks for letting me know about this site . hope they service israel too :D
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] sachin kamboj:
is the skin bulky or lightweight???
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dodialfaed:
it's lightweight. no bulk in gela skin.

it's also protective for your phone:good:

I'm verry satisfied with it. It was well worth the 18$
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] myawan:
Why is there printing on screen protector, doesn't it hinder view?
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dodialfaed:
screen is 100% viewable. the skin does not cover the phone's screen, only its edges where there isn't any display.
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] IKnowIRock!:
I presume they give us a wallpaper to match the cover :confused:

Sent from my LG-P500 running Ginger Snap
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dodialfaed:
Yes, that is correct :cool:
[Optimus One, P500, V Themes and Apps] dokvader114:
can someone plz help me with making my self 1 like that (but other pic )
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vukadmos:
Decided to go with the International version instead of the att one. Do you guys have any info on where to order online and get a batch 2 (or newer?) device?

Thanks
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lude219:
Have you try alibaba website?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vukadmos:
Not sure if being sarcastic or honest. Either way, I haven't heard of that site before.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tehsprayer:
I would try websites that are in the UK that might seem the international version like Amazon.co.uk but wouldn't you want lte as the international version doesn't support lte? Also the quad core processor might drain the battery faster though things you need to look out for.

Edit: I believe you can buy stuff from Amazon.co.uk and will ship to the USA
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vukadmos:
Thanks, will look there.

I know, but I rather have the dev support. Besides, I'm on wifi 90% of the day, so don't really need lte. Also, I'm pretty sure lte will drain more than the quad core processor.

Thanks for sharing your opinion though! :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tehsprayer:
Yes that is very true good luck in finding the phone!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vukadmos:
Any experience with negri electronics?

Their price is a little lower than Amazon US, and their online rep claimed that the phone is from the second batch:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SlimJ87D:
Read this thread. Close this topic. Your answers are here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1627586&highlight=pricing

I recommend going with Expansys USA since they are a USA vendor and you can get a square and trade warranty.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BobFL:
Nope, Amazon UK does not ship phones to the US (not sure about seller from their marketplace)...
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] justvalencia:
hi guys i still lots of info about rooting.

i have the galaxy tab 7.0 plus p6200

it has the wifey and 3g( can send sms directly w/o the need of internet )

Since i cant comment on the developement thread yet

so can i use the method here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1367249

for my device? no stupid answer please. i am desperate

in rooting :mad:
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] devid801:
I used this method ,Put the installation zip file on your tablet's external SD card. If you don't have an external SD card, CWM zip file, download here: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?do5jkna3dpas1tq ...Installing from factory (3e) recovery:

Use the volume up/down buttons to move the highlight up and down, and the power button to select the highlighted option.

1. Select "apply update from external storage"

2. Select the file you placed on your storage card (starts with "p6210_CWMR".)

3. Sit back and watch it run. Read the information that is being sent to the screen. If there's an error, it'll display some message. If it works, it'll display a message starting with the word "Done!"

4. Select "reboot system now."

You now have a CWM-based recovery installed, and your tablet is rooted.

Please skip ahead to "Finishing SuperUser installation"download here :https://market.android.com/details?id=com.noshufou.android.su....
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] justvalencia:
Thank you sir. I am glad that you are not like other guys out their.

who keeps on saying search here, search their, Don't root if you don't know how.

Anyway, What is CWM-based recovery installed? is this a recovery when i brick my device? :D

and will this ROM ok to flash in my device?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1697123

Required for P6200 is XXKL7 base. but i don't have it? help please?

i think i have DXKL.

Thanks in advance. Please reply. you are the only one that post useful things in my thread :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] devid801:
What is the Recovery Android?

The recovery is no more than a text mode that is loaded during the startup phase in place of the operating system itself. A recovery allows to perform certain operations at a low level otherwise not possible during normal operation of the system.

The recovery is in all Android devices, although the basic version. To activate it you must use a well defined sequence of commands.

In the case of Samsung Galaxy series you can access the recovery mode by holding down both by phone off the VOLUME UP +POWER BUTTON....... What is the Recovery Android?

With the recovery you can perform certain operations.

The most important is to restore the factory settings, especially useful when you are not able to access the phone features due to various system errors or corruption of important files.

Other operations in the recovery of basic cleaning &of the cache (though already included within the factory reset) and the installation of "files signed" by Samsung.......... What are the custom recovery ?

A recovery base is very limited, because of that have been created by independent developers of recovery can change the commands to extend the basic versions come with Android.

The most common functions offered by the modified recovery are different.

The main one is undoubtedly the ability to install files "unsigned" (eg zip install from sdcard), then that can be created by anyone.

This is precisely the case of the cooked roms that are prepared in the form of packets. Zip.

Another function is that of widespread nandroid backup, that is a complete image of all partitions on the phone. ...there are no problem for bricked to device, your rom is great, with this procedure I have had no problems..........