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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
The ICS update did begin in Q2, but I agree that it's frustrating to have not had the update in the UK yet. However, I didn't wait and anyone desperate will have flashed another ROM anyway. When the UK ROM is released, I'll flash that over the Swiss one (without losing any data) and be done with.

Plus, Sky can release its EPG anytime it wants as it doesn't buy in its software or have it used on any other system. It has its own EPG and if it says it will roll the new one out in June 2019, it can make sure that happens. At least, that's the theory, given it failed last time and delayed the roll out by 7-9 months (I can't remember exactly). Pretty poor.

Even this new EPG has been previewed months ago, so what the hell was Sky waiting for? What has Sky really done? Changed the colours, the font and some graphics. It looks great, sure, but it's taken about two years or more to do this? I wonder if the new EPG still has the same typos that Sky never bothered to fix?

You really can't compare because Sky can wait until it is ready. ICS was already out there, so whatever date Sony gave was always going to be seen as late compared to the Galaxy Nexus and other devices that had it.

I'm sure Sky has only given its boxes a facelift because of the success of TiVo. But, a shiny new look still can't make up for the fact that the TiVo is still an infinitely better system and if it wasn't for the lack of cable - I'd ditch Sky in a heartbeat.

Anyway, besides the second to last paragraph, this is WAAAY off topic!!

I know it won't be much consolation, but I have a feeling that we'll see issues with JB being rolled out to HTC and Samsung models too.. and forget about Motorola. I'll be getting ICS on my old Atrix by Christmas - possibly (in the latest update, I've gone from Q4 to 'under consideration'). So, the chance of JB is nil - and don't even think that Motorola might skip ICS and go straight for JB.

Sony WILL roll out JB for the 2012 models and there's a good chance they'll even do it for the 2011 range (or most of them) and if they do, they'll once again be the only manufacturer to have updated almost 100% of its models for the last 12-18 months.

A Nexus phone will ALWAYS have the latest software, which is why I've decided to take a punt with the Nexus 7 tablet. I am not so worried about features on a tablet and like it as it is, whereas when it comes to Nexus phones - SO FAR they've always been crippled in some way, as I presume Google has done it deliberately to avoid annoying all the manufacturers. I loved the screen on the Galaxy Nexus (as it was the first HD display) but the phone itself, especially the camera, was a bit of a disappointment.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ddee:
Maybe they are going to move us uk generic users straight to jellybean............. next year sometime
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:


I doubt that 2011 phones will get JB apart from say the Arc S which was launched q3 of 2011 because by the time Sony eventually launch the JB firmware, it might still be the only one within the 18 month support period. And by that I mean google software not Sony's crap. You don't get more than 12 months with the manufacturers on the software side.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
There is absolutely no chance of that happening. If anything going by what happened to the x10, JB might be the version that gets skipped.

That's what I think will happen Sony will probably update the 2012 line to whatever comes after jellybean at some point q2 of 2013.

They just don't want to change their strategy of limiting the open source nature of android. Nokia still won't touch android because of it.

The trouble with Sony is they've chosen to go with android but just can't bring themselves to embrace it fully.

Well they've gone for rebranding, when that fails too, they'll ultimately change the way they behave.

Nokia too will, after their exploits with windows mobile fail to make the impression they need, switch to android.

It's just the old guard struggling to face up to the new world. A world where you have to give to receive not the old order where they gave very little and asked for a lot in return.

It's the same with the film and music industry. They don't want to face up to the facts of the present day but instead are using whatever means they can ( sympathetic judges and political stooges) to bring back the glory days when they got away with charging a kings ransom for their stuff.

Apple have cornered the market of those who are still prepared to live in that old world but even the mighty Apple will fall because increasingly their users are beginning to feel foolish buying their basic but very expensive merchandise. They'll never admit it openly but that's were they really are. The iPhone5 is a critical release for Apple because they are in serious danger of loosing the core and the more sophisticated smartphone users. They might be the minority but they make the loudest noise and by a considerable margin too. You loose them and the buzz around your products will rapidly die.

I'm starting to rant now so I better stop.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marjohn56:
Please rant on.... just beginning to enjoy that when you drew it to a close!! :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MrBelter:
I think ddee was joking ;)

For me it is the fact that Sony seem to leave the UK till last, it is coming up to 3 weeks since the initial release of ICS just as they did with GB releases, they should release the updates pretty rapidly once the roll out begins.

I left Motorola because of their stubbornness to update the Defy but i have to say when they did update the Defy to 2.2 the roll out was swift and with SIM free phones getting the updates first.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Kiefels:
Not sure Sony leave us until last just because we are the UK.

More to do with our services are different (Archaic compared to other Countries)

Also we are very fussy and finicky with what is/isn't included but most of all

our handsets are HUGELY subsidised as most people get them free with contracts.

Sooooo it makes more sense to look after those that do the most business and spend the most money.

Of course this is a little unfair on us but we are used to living in a Country where the Government would rather please people to get voted in again than sort out the crap to make Britain Great again. So we should be used to getting treated like crap.

Obviously this doesn't make it right but what we gonna do about it?

Same as usual...***** n moan to press, family, friends and on forums. :laugh:

TBH on the X10, the only visible difference between generics (Other than languages obviously) was the FIFA or FOOTBALL apps. And they went in the bin ASAP anyway. lol

Oooo..Also generics get passed to SP's for their twopence additions so i'm guessing that the UK generic must have some bugs/issues that need addressing before general release. If they didn't theywould have to release a fix update and that would be ludicrous. lmao
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MrBelter:
That is not what i said at all.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
I hope Sony will think that it is important to add value to customers, and if they can roll out JB to the arc S, they can do it for all the other 2011 devices (bar the Play perhaps) irrespective of the 18 month support 'window'.

Sony has hopefully worked out (having had the X10 fiasco to learn from) that supporting customers is a good thing - and doesn't stop people upgrading (after all, the hardware is still going to be inferior) but actually means people will stick with Sony for an upgrade.

Take Motorola; great devices, but with its reputation for upgrades forums are all full of people saying 'never again'.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gray_mac:
Im in UK and was waiting for Orange UK to push out the .452 update, so just stuck the firmware on from central europe and works perfectly. Couple of tiny changes like no access to settings from menu button, but is in notification tray now but its really good and glad SXS finially has ICS - if not the perfect way.

ref: [FIRMWARE][6.0.1.A.452] CE1

http://depositfiles.com/files/q6vqeg7s7

just waiting for Sony to release the proper kernel so CM9 can be sorted and flash that ROM on it, not just a Sony firmware update, I got rid of Orange bloat, now want rid of Sony bloat for vanilla ICS from the CM9
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] skip0pot2mus:
So are we saying that the best version to flash to eventually will be the UK Non-Branded... when that becomes available...right?

I am running a European version of ICS and it's rather buggy, I'd rather not have bloatware from the three network either.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
As far as Sony mobile is concerned, I gave up hoping a long time ago.

As far as lessons learnt from the whole X10 debacle, I don't think they've learnt any. If they had the xperia s would not have started out with gingerbread but would have launched with whatever build of ICS they had ready ( perhaps something similar to what what was released for the 2011 line up) and then upgraded once they were ready with the complete build. The fact that they still thought it ok to launch phones in 2012 with a 2010 OS no matter what build it was, kind of says they have not learnt any lessons at all. If anything they still believe they can get away with it.

As far as Android goes, they have always deployed diversionary and delaying tactics just to limit the number of upgrades they have to give within the 18 month period in which they are under obligation to provide support.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] LilChinchster:
Lets just hope us UK guys get our update in the 18 month support window
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
Now not even Sony is that bad. You'll get ICS and definitely one more major update next year. I'm actually hoping they skip JB because if they use the same delaying tactics and release JB late this year or early next year, you can be sure that's the very last update.

I think if I had to choose and I think with Sony we are going to have to choose, I choose to go with what comes after JB rather than getting JB next year.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
I think they have. While the whole of Sony might not do it, given Sony Ericsson was more Ericsson than Sony in its thinking - I think after they openly admitted to the mistakes made with the X10 in January 2011 - they've done an excellent job supporting devices since.

They are the only company to have updated almost all of its handsets in the last 18 months (in fact, given they had very few Android devices in 2010, that's still a large percentage). They did also update the X10 beyond what they'd told people (and, let's be fair to SE, they did state they wouldn't be updating the X10 after it went from 1.6 to 2.0/2.1).

Anyway, you clearly have lost your faith but I haven't and believe that we will see 4.1 this year.

Finally, remember that the Xperia S would have come out sooner. It was delayed due to the need to wait and see if it would go into full scale production with Sony Ericsson or Sony on the casing and packaging. As a result, I am sure that it was technically signed off (with GB) a long time before and had Sony not bought out its share of the joint venture, we'd have seen it shipping in late January or early February - when it would have been more reasonable to expect it to have had GB on it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] LilChinchster:
Now we are just adapting to the manufacturers flaws, just because a company cannot deliver doesn't mean we have to compromise, as far as im concerned other phones have ics and we don't so that puts me off from getting Sony again
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
Guys, guys, calm down. If the Generic UK update isn't there yet it means Sony is doing additional testing or waiting for bloatware compatibility checks. Sony has deals they need to stick to, they'll never delay an update just for the sake of it.

Also, on JB, it'll arrive sooner than you think. The differences are very small, and if Sony had early access to the PDK (and I think they did) it might only be a question of a few months. I'm quite sure we'll see JB on the Xperia S far before the next Android version is announced. Probably on the other 2012 and 2011 devices too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gloris:
is it just 3 network that have released ics so far?

i have an unbranded handset (3114), but would just as happily flash a uk t-mobile branded firmware, as that who i'm with anyway...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
Well if they are doing additional testing then it must mean there's something wrong with the folks at 3UK.

What you said might hold water if no UK firmware was out but the fact that we have 3 firmware kind of diminishes the idea that they're doing more testing.

For me at this point who knows what they're doing or thinking.

They've done so much that I find difficult to understand that I've given up trying to understand.

Whatever happens happens. That's the way I look at it now.

They have their ways which they'll have to change. Willingly or not.......they'll have to change.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] LilChinchster:
Okay so ICS was a major design change from GB... However JB isn't that big of a design change right? Yet Sony managed to keep the ICS look and feel same as GB (as far as I can tell) so I doubt the JB update (whenever that is) would be that good to look forward to
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MrBelter:
Well nothing this morning for a change
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
Part of the problem with going from GB to ICS, instead of having launched with ICS from day one, is that Sony probably had to make sure the transition wasn't going to be too much of a shock.

Not to you or me, but the mainstream customer. The people who will phone up and demand compensation for the stress of having the homescreen change, or icons being in different positions (although that makes me wonder all the more why they stopped you being able to change wallpaper/go to settings etc by simply pressing the menu key on the launcher).

However, I know that I am happier for having had my Xperia S since March than having had the phone delayed until April-July to get it with ICS. As I've said before, this phone would have shipped earlier had it not been for the delay to decide if the Sony buy-out would be approved. If Sony hadn't bought out Ericsson's share, the phone would have remained Sony Ericsson and the casings and packaging, manuals etc could have gone into production far sooner.

Back to the firmware for UK users, I have no idea why Sony is always doing us last - and even doing the branded models first. I don't believe they're doing any extra testing, but merely prioritising based on the biggest markets. And if the phone didn't sell in any large numbers SIM-free in the UK, they can put it further down the list of things to do.

I am not even sure how well it sold via the networks either, as the phone would probably appeal to the higher-end market, who are likely more tech savvy. And by the time the phone was released, everyone knew about the One X and One S, and also that the Galaxy S III was coming (Samsung having cleverly pre-announced it at MWC to start people talking and getting excited).

All in all, I think the timing of the release was unfortunate and affected the S, P and U. That doesn't stop me loving the phone and having it as my main 'day to day' phone, however.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MrBelter:
I am guessing your average person on the street doesn't even know or care about updates TBH. One of my friends had an X10i up to very recently and never updated it from Android 1.6 despite me telling her it would work much better if she did.

When i bought my XS i was tempted with the HTC One S but preferred the style of the Sony and liked the idea of the extra memory. I knew full well about the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy SIII but ill be honest they are big surfboards and not my cup of tea. I also think the quad core processors are great for bragging rights but in reality there use in a smart phone is questionable, im not too sure even dual core is of much use, Intel certainly do not think so.

Thats quite a long winded way of saying people buy the Xperia phones because they like the look of them i think LOL
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
I like the look of the Xperia S, but the big plus for me isn't just a decent camera - but that dedicated camera button AND the quick-start for the camera.

Taking pictures quickly is important to me, which puts the HTC and Samsung models lower down on my list of needs than a fantastic processor that is barely used.

But I accept that other people have different requirements and may prefer one of those handsets. I just remind myself that this is one the advantages of Android over iOS - choice.

It's always quite amusing how you originally had Apple and Android fanboys, but now the Android fanboys have split up into their own factions and attack each other - but that's for another topic!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Kiefels:
I see a post has appeared asking if people are goung to downgrade to GB again because ICS isn't what they hoped.

This is a main floor in humans. We all like shiny new things.

There is nothing wrong with this version of GB we are using yet we covert ICS. Then when we have that, we will want Jelly Bean.

Fundamentally the OS is Linux and it is getting minor tweaks and graphical changes.

How many of us used windows 98 then jumped straight to XP?

Or XP to Vista?

If you did you would have noticed that after you got over the slightly improved graphics, both of them sucked!

It took quite sometime to get XP useable and Vista never was or will be.

So although ICS might be nice. It isn't be all and end all. It certainly isn't a reason to get bent out of shape.

Remember where we are people. XDA developers!!!

And we are in good hands for getting things done that manufacturers sometimes fail at.

I was running GB on my X10 when Sony were saying it wasn't going to get GB.

We (if we had unlocked bootloaders) could have been using ICS based roms on the XPS if we wanted.

My points are

If we want JB we can have it (source code just been released)

If we want ICS we can definitely have it

If we want to stay on GB and tweak the hell out of it... We can!

We don't need to rely on manufacturers if we don't want to.

Regarding void warranties. If you cared, you wouldn't be here. Lol

Yes, roll out the XPS official ICS but i'm pretty much guessing that some devs on here will come up with a more efficient, less buggy version soon after, anyway.

Ok so i guess I will still have the few moaning about lack of support from Sony.

Yes, yes yes i know but we don't buy Sony for support.

We buy Sony because they are pretty, solid and work well.

Or we would have just bought a karma-unhandra-rinky-dink instead....wouldn't we!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Deniz.S:
New SI numbers have been added on http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/42096

can anyone confirm if there is any from the UK listed?

T-Mobile (1257 - 5893) is not there.

what was the si number for uk generic?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Crocodile1973:
No Generic UK on new list. 3114 is the si number.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dgattenb:
I just ran live update app, from sony web site , was for old sony E phones... It ran , updated then came up and said are you ready for the update ? I have not done anything yet, PC comp 2.1 says my phone is fine....

It says turn off phone , start in recovery mode etc etc ...again i have not done this ...

Phone from amazon uk sim free
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] scook94:
What SI number on the back of the phone and in the "Service" menu?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] rkanwar:
O2 uk still no update
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MrBelter:
Sweet FA for UK generic 3114
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Chocolate Columbo:
I don't know my SI as there's no label on my phone and it's not any of the numbers in the service menu apparently. Though, I know it is a UK generic... I won't hold my breath.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MrBelter:
Nothing again for the UK
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mazymoozy:
I just called Sony and no one answered! that explains why there is no ICS update for UK, probably they are on summer holidays, or busy watching Wimbledon and 2012 olympics. But I hope they manage good enough to have time to see the new Batman!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
With the certification of new ics firmware, I think we can forget seeing UK firmware until late July at the earliest.

The cynical amongst us might even say that they released unstable firmware that wasn't ready just to meet their end of q2 timeline.

I'm seriously thinking of getting a nexus 7. Cracking bit of kit for £190. Plus it's a google product so no worries as far as android is concerned. I've given up on Sony for a good android experience.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] skip0pot2mus:
Think yourself lucky, at least we're not running Maemo 5 here! :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
You might be right about rushing a release, but I doubt we'll ever know.. the bugs could have been genuinely missed (although some of them seem rather hard to miss if they'd done any detailed testing).

I guess the Sony fanboys will give them the benefit of the doubt, while those who want to attack Sony will use it as ammunition.

I just hope that we get an update at some point to fix the issues, but I'm still pretty happy with ICS as it is. I'm also getting a Nexus 7, partly because it's too cheap not to (mind you, I bought a TouchPad on the same basis of it being so cheap - and never use it!) but also to be in a position to always get the latest OS updates in the future.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
The nexus 7 is packing an impressive spec sheet. It might be cheap because it's WiFi only. Plus I'm sure google have chosen to make minimum profit on it to gain a strategic advantage.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ddee:
Is anyone considering bailing out from the xperia s now. I'm wondering whether the phones ever really going to get going and if enough people are going to buy it to maintain a good medium term support network. I guess that I've been spoiled with my previous phones where I could get roms that pretty much did exactly what I wanted. I just get the feeling that it could be an amazing piece of hardware thats not going to get the software it needs.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arw9000:
This is exactly what I'm thinking. I'm sitting on GB with no realistic idea of if it will ever see ICS through the official updates. We are 3 weeks after 'it was released' and we still have no ETA for UK generic. I have written off getting Jelly Bean for sure.

The main problem is that Sony have released too damned many Xperia phones that are almost identical. It fragments the mod development communities too much so this phone might never get the momentum it needs to get some really good releases. My only hope now are things like CM9/10 or Freexperia, but I'm not sure things will really get going.

Official support is appalling and there are too many problems that just wont be solved. This is a diamond phone ruined by a company with an appalling idea of how to provide customer service and has ruined the whole experience of owning what must surely be the worst 'flagship' model since the Sinclair C5.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monotok:
Well I got mine a few days ago direct from Sony and updated the phone using the Generic German ICS which works perfectly for the UK. Also after I did that I rooted the device and then unlocked the bootloader :)

Happy days! Loving it now!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
I think you should flash any of the available ICS roms because it seems the lack of ICS is really upsetting you. I'll wait for UK generic until the end of July, if nothing, I'll flash something else.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arw9000:
Ha! I'm not bothered about having ics so much as the release date was misleading.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
It has always taken Sony 2 to 3 and sometimes even 4 months to completely roll out their major updates. Some handsets won't get it officially until September. That's Sony for you.