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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Darmokk:
This is the first serious blow to google and android. The galaxy tab doesn't count for much of Samsung's overall sales, but the Galaxy Nexus is a crazy popular device (and was the ICS flagship).

If the courts ultimately rule in Apple's favor in regards to the unified search patent, that could have devastating consequences for Google Now and S-Voice. Apple has nothing to lose here, they only had to put up 96 million in bond (chump change) and if the courts rule in favor of google the people who couldn't buy a Nexus because it was banned (and bought an iPhone instead) will negate much of that potential loss....

I hope there will be a loud outcry regarding this ban because as these 'patent wars' continue to escalate into potential banning/altering of devices, it's us the customers who ultimately lose out innovation and features when these giant companies can't come to an amicable agreement regarding intellectual property. They will both be huge, mega-profitable companies no matter which way the courts ultimately decide :/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yeah...about that...the Galaxy Nexus is popular amongst us. As a device overall, it is probably one of the lowest selling devices presently.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I've seen a lot of desperate single moms and watching apple do what they do is like watching desperate single moms on maury trying to find the baby daddy for a paycheck that ain't coming. :p

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
^This. I when I read that Apple had a patent on unified search going back to 2000 I seriously began to worry. Google needs to do whatever it can to quash this. Especially given how prominent Google is making unified search on all devices. This is the life blood of Andriod. Search is where Google makes a substantial chunk of money.

The other three patents at issue can be worked around, but this one is serious business.

Reading the patent, apple has a good argument. Really the only way I see Samsung winning this is on prior art grounds.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electronixgimp:
bottom line since i ordered mine last night at 10:30 pm on the 29th does that mean i wont get mine now i got confirmation just no shipping yet...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ArborRes:
I ordered mine just a day before the story broke out and it has already shipped via UPS. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electronixgimp:
lucky lol i just slacked should have ordered sooner. i just talked to a google rep he says there still taking orders and shipping out, mine will be shipped on monday :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
The injunction order only applies to Samsung. Vendors that have them in stock can sell as many as they have. Samsung cannot replenish that stock, however.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
This will get overturned at some point. I read that the court apple used has one of the worst overturn rates in the country. Probably why they picked it. They knew they didn't have a case so they picked the most corrupt court. I seriously don't see how preliminary injunctions are legal. Its punishing a company before they are proven guilt. By the time this is over the nexus will be an old product.

Just read that the trial is set for 2014. Are they freaking serious. Thank god Samsung is appealing the injunction.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shibed:
Google Nexus Ordered

I also called them today after ordering about 3 hours ago. They also said it would be shipped out on Monday or Tuesday. I asked them if the injunction would cause ny delays that they know of. They said no. Then I asked him to send me an email confirming there won't be any issues. He went to his supervisor and said he could not guarantee anything. Then they said for more information check Google Press.

So basically we won't know until we have a tracking number. We can only speculate as to what will happen. My friends Evo got held up as well a few weeks ago. Apple sucks. I hate their anti-competitive behavior. In our eyes it makes them look even more evil but the regular consumer will never even notice. This kind of thing doesn't get popular press coverage. Our country needs an enema!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I know a lot of people cried doom for Google when Oracle sued them.

We all saw how that turned out :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
Yes, I'm sure that Apple picked a court specifically because it has "one of the worst overturn rates in the country. They knew they didn't have a case so they picked the most corrupt court." Seriously, is this forum populated by people without common sense who believe this is a personal, and personally offensive, matter and that companies should behave like people, with feelings and all? Grow up. This is business, so let the adults handle their business without the teen angst and drama.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electronixgimp:
ya i understand that nothing is finally till its out the door lol but im not to worried as it looks like as long as whats left in the states in sell able once there gone there gone well thats what i keep telling my self anyways lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Might want to take a look in the mirror, friend.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
They picked it cause they knew that it would temporally get it banned long enough to hurt the competition. Read up on the patents in question. They will get thrown out I guarantee. Almost 99 percent of software patents do.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
I don't know where you read that but that's not true - at all. This particular judge has been on the bench for less than 2 years. Cases are assigned randomly to judges in that district. This particular court is located in silicon valley. It was probably the closest court Apple had access to that also had jurisdiction.

As for preliminary injunctions, they have their uses. Obviously, if a company wants to bulldoze a forest or a historic monument, you can't get that back after a trial. Some things are hard to put a price on. But I don't think this was one of those cases.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ebagdirtbike:
How to screw apple slowly

I say we all go out and by macbook pro's then return them after 2 weeks. This will waste apples resources because some of their stuff ships all the way from china and you will get a 100% refund plus you just de-valued the returned product.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BeerChameleon:
Damn apple,

Didn't apple take the notification panel :rolleyes:

You don't see google sueing SMH
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winklie:
Apple is the most highly valued company in the world (stock price). They have millions of sheeple would would buy i(branded) dog ****. Apple is going nowhere.

They have been at this lawsuit crap since the 80's when they sued Micro$oft (and the funny this is Apple ripped off Xerox for their GUI).

Nothing new, Apple is the absolute devil incarnate of companies. I have hated them since the 80's and my hatred has moved to detest.

Google is nothing compared to Apple as far as market value goes, in an all out cash war, Apple would destroy Google, and I think this is why Google has stayed out of it.

Apple Market Cap ($594,000,000,000) http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

Google Market Cap ($189,000,000,000) http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GOOG

;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
I don't know where you got that statistic but it's utterly wrong. 97% of patent cases settle, but that doesn't mean they are invalid. In fact, a reason to settle is because your opponent has a good case.

I read the decision and these are not frivolous patents. In fact, they describe the very core of android's search functionality. This could be a big blow to Google. If apples succeeds on this case it opens the door to lawsuits on all kinds of andriod devices.

The slide-to-unlock, word suggestion, and link creation patents will probably be decided on non-infringement grounds. The search patent (which was granted to Apple in 2011) is a serious problem.

The entire software patent system needs to be reformed. These kinds of patents should really only last 5 years. That's more than enough time to take a market advantage while still allowing the market to innovate.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No company is too big to topple.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
I should say that this injunction only applies to the Gnex in the US. Samsung is still free to sell overseas. And hopefully some of those phones find there way to US shores when supply starts running low.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
This is Oracle all over again. I am not worried.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TjPhysicist:
Wait..lemme get this straight...so according to the courts ruling a "prelim. injuction" is basically " you cant sell the stuff until there is an official ruling on this"? and 2014...wtf is the point, by then the galaxy nexus won't even be manufactured anymore...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
Yes.

Plus the bigger you get, the more likely the government will break you up. Furthermore wasn't apple in or close to bankruptcy not too long ago? The only reason they are where they are now is because of Steve jobs who is dead and their idevices which are stagnant and may also be getting a us ban soon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sharkoparko:
on its knees to please

How to make this statement popular?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
I read somewhere that it was set to start in august.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yeah, Microsoft bailed them out financially. Microsoft is the only reason Apple is still here today.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
Even if googles search feature does something similar Google still had to write the code themselves. Patenting the end result of software should not be legal. Just imagine if someone patented using control f to search in a document. Apple hasn't settled with any of the manufacturers and they won like 2 patent cases and had over 100 thrown out already. What they are doing is unjustifiable. Motorola had real patents for actual inventions. Apple is suing for ideas that I am sure thousands of other people thought of already. Anyone who programs knows that patenting a search routine is absolutely ridiculous. Imagine if someone patented simple array sorting Functions. Its quite clear that this is ridiculous and that apple is only doing this to hurt the competition.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winklie:
I did not say they could not be toppled, I replied to an earlier post that said it would happen in 2 or 3 years, that is simply not realistic.

As for the government breaking up Apple, they are not a monopoly in any space. Google sells more Android devices than Apple does in a a given year. Yes, the iPad is dominant, however there is competition, it is through no fault of Apple that Android based tablet have not taken off (look at the Kindle Fire, it's selling very well). There are plenty of competitors to the iPod and Apple is not suing them into oblivion.

I don't see Apple going anywhere soon. What they need to do, sadly is fail to innovate, think 3DFX back in the 90's, where Apple would be 3DFX and Google would be Nvidia, so long as Apple continues to innovate, the sheeple will continue to buy their crap and love it, we have yet to see what effect the loss of Steve Jobs will have on Apple. One thing is for sure, it's not affected their legal departments, lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Apple's innovations have slowed down considerably since Jobs passed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
Oracle v Google was very different. That was an attempt by Oracle to involve copyright law into the software space. It was a new and untested legal theory that the judge struck down - he noted that the patent space was already a mess.

One of these patents, the word linking patent, was decided on in Motorola v Apple. I'm not worried about that patent.

US Patent No. 8,086,604 is the one I'm worried about. It's scary broad and is the core of google now/google search. The defense Samsung put up was very weak.

If you have the time I encourage you to read it, http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1215617/Preliminary_Injunction_Order.pdf

Focus on page 7-24 (search patent infringement). If you have more time, read pages 24-30 (search patent validity) and 96-101 (why an injunction is necessary).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
Apple is hell bent on stopping Android as a whole. They are just looking for the right opening. Ending android would put apple at being the largest supplier of smart devices by an astronomical lead. That makes it a monopoly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
Name 1 real apple innovation in the last couple years
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Siri!

Wait, no...they bought that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
According to the ruling, the trial is set for March 31, 2014.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kidrobot52:
I'm ripping off your sig.... Please don't file an injunction on me..:laugh::laugh::silly:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
I agree that the patent system (applied to software) is crazy. But it is legal and the way the law works today. Patent law is supposed to stop competition. It's supposed to make it hard for others to make money so that you/inventors can benefit from good ideas. As a part of my job and as a student I write to DC all the time looking for reform.

To give apple some credit, the patent isn't just using "Crtl+F." Basically the patent describes a piece of software that uses many internal "modules" to search different sources (internet, phone book, recently used applications, text messages, ect.) with each minisearch using your past behavior or other "heuristic algorithms" to show you the results it thinks are what you are looking for. And doing all that in real-time as you type.

Samsung argued that the andriod search function doesn't learn (which was demonstrably wrong) and argued another technicality that each module had to use a different algorithm (which is not what the patent says).

They also tried to argue that it's been done before 2000. The two examples they gave were not convincing. One was a client-server system that was not all contained in one application, the other was a search of a TV guide and internet simultaneously but didn't learn from past behavior.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
I stand corrected. It is another apple lawsuit that gets decided upon in august.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wngmv:
:laugh::laugh:

Notification system!

er....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ljwnow:
Love Google. Apple is the worst company ever. Google is the best.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winklie:
LMFAO!!

;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
Few pages back someone mentioned that apple chose the court based on past history. This is very true. Apple filed many claims recently in Texas because historically most cases there had favorable results for certain types of claims. So yes apple surely files in certain locations for a reason with thought behind it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] painter_:
The pull down notification panel? Nope

Using a custom image is a background? Nope

slide to unlock? Nope

I got one... Using glass on front and back of a phone that gets banged around day after day and non-user changeable battery. They created a whole service indrustry to replace broken screen, backs and change battery. So they are helping both China and American economies :laugh:.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Apple has innovated upon the term patent troll. They have taken it to new levels.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SITH16:
I'm glad I already have mine. =)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blempka:
Damn it, and I just bought a Macbook Pro and absolutely love it. The trackpad in particular is miles ahead of anything I've used on Windows. That said, I would much rather support a nondouchey company if possible. Time to start the great laptop search again I think :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
Yes, I should probably do that, since I'm not wailing and gnashing my teeth over a ruling that has nothing to do with me, that I cannot impact in any way, and is definitely a first world problem (Read: unimportant). I'm sorry I pulled you away from your rabid defense of your non-GEP Nexus by injecting common sense into the discussion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
Just find a laptop that uses a synaptics touchpad. They are the best. They post the drivers on their website too. Even the old touchpads work with the new multitouch features. My dads old 2003 Toshiba has multitoich with the updated drivers. My hp dv7 and Asus netbook also have a synaptics touchpad. They all work great. Much better than macbook I inherited that I feel like throwing out the window right now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zephiK:
ASUS Zenbook?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
It will impact you if the next phone, tablet or laptop you plan to buy gets hit with another injunction, Apple is getting carried away with this. I was planning on getting the Evo One, a week later I got tired of waiting and got the Nexus instead. In a way I think I got the better phone in the long run.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Yea once inventory is depleted that's it until the dispute is resolved, who knows how long that will take. I suspect Apple will drag this out as long as possible.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
None of this is permanent. If this even approaches the sort of blanket power that could seriously impact Android, or any other competitors, then the patents in question will be declared FRAND because killing all competition would not be in the best interest of the public. So, could we see short delays? Maybe. Is this permanent? No.

It's funny, though, because I seem to recall cheering and glee when the Google Notification patent was in the news, and the potential impact to shut down iOS. Some of these people (Not you) need to research the textbook definition of "hypocrisy."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No, instead you came into a thread and rage posted for people to grow up.

If that doesn't speak immature...I don't know what does.

As for rabid defense....I have done no such thing. I am simply posting in the thread out of amusement.

If you want to debate, fine. However don't invent a strawman to do it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] barroco:
I read about the injunction last night. Today early in the morning I said: **** apple! Then went online and ordered a Galaxy Nexus (goodbye samsung focus!).

Cheers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MoosDiagramm:
This is plain wrong. Patent law is supposed to encourage competition (not my description, but from a top patent lawyer who gave a lecture at my university).

The idea is that companies should feel motivated to innovate and compete, knowing that they can rely on time-limited exclusive access to the result of their research. Without patent law, companies would see no purpose in competing by development since others could easily copy their technology.

What does this mean? Isn't this unimportant for a case? No. Law shouldn't be adhered to by the letter, but rather by meaning. In such a lawsuit a judge doesn't merely consider whether Samsung infringes the patent at hand, but also whether the patent actually encourages competition (saves the smartphone competition from being destroyed by Samsung) or hinders competition (destroys the competition on the smartphone market by removal of Android).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bar_rodoy:
Apple stole their patents:

So currently Google continue selling it? When they should stop sell?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemlocke:
"Rage posted"? I don't call chiding people for outrageous and unwarranted sentiment to be "rage posting," but I also don't consider the SCH-i515 or SPHL-700 to be Google Experience Nexus devices, so it appears we will just have to agree to disagree on the basis of differing philosophies.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Sound pretty angry to me. You felt the need to insult people afterall.

By the way, Google says it is a Nexus, and a Google Experience device. You know better than Google though. Right? Not that this is relevant in any manner to this discussion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Djabolic:
i was neutral against apple until now, now i purely hate that company. fcking pricks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Google_Nexus:
Sorry to hear that you ordered a nexus device. Thy are crap as my previous nexus s4g went memory nuts and rebooted on its own into recovery mode and could not flash anything. Phone was working just fine then that happened. Never again will I get a nexus as also no sd card. If I had an sd card I could have fixed it...but no sd card....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Djabolic:
it looked like pretty much user fault to me. and if were having hardware problems why didnt you took the device to service? if its because of custom roms then its your problem. youre acting like a child just because you ****ed up.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Troll is trolling.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
You don't need an SD card if you know how to use fast boot.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Google_Nexus:
Because I no longer had it on sprint but on revol wireless... Www.revol.com.

Phone was running just fine was charging using offical charger and just stock rooted.... Then the issue started... So no more nexus crap for me as when phone goes you need an sd card.....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Google_Nexus:
Tried it error.said it was locked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
The Galaxy Nexus is a more advanced device than a lot of other phones and isn't for everyone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
Did you unlock your bootloader? Sounds like all you needed to do was unlock it so your ROM would pass the signature check.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gunner1937:
Do you really mean that I have to return my GN?:rolleyes:

You are for the Galaxy Nexus what Demandarin is for the Asus Transformer Prime:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
That's all very nice but it's not how patent law works in practice. Your talking about large scale policy, this is a single injunction, based on a single case, and a handful of patents.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
:highfive:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HWOW:
Good. That way no one else will have my ****. Lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sensation-al!:
I lol'd :D

Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Google_Nexus:
Yes it was unlocked but then became locked from oden
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Sounds like you did a whole bunch of random "wonder what this does" solutions.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hoezack:
Don't smash it. Just sell to an apple fanboy and buy a Nexus 7 with the money.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] johnchad14:
To EBay it is indeed the plan, make money and deny apple an additional new sale. Best I can do having given them money already I guess. Really wish there was a nexus 10 out already! Would do it today. As it is, maybe will get a transformer primusinfinitywhatever300.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] infazzdar:
What are the chances the outlaw on the sell of Galaxy Nexuses in the US will hinder someone from receiving another device via warranty, in the event something happens to your device?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] defconoi:
Good question
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sensation-al!:
I don't think it would affect that scenario

Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nyijedi:
Haha. Exactly. There's a HUGE difference between a patent and a patent application. Anyone can file an application for anything. It means nothing. I can file an application for a smartphone that makes me breakfast in the morning and it will eventually be published.

Exactly. Patent law was enacted in this country pursuant to Article 8, section 8 of the Constitution to "promote the progress of science and useful arts." It's goal isn't to "eliminate competition."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] welchertc:
Shouldn't affect warranty exchange. It's not a new sale, so shouldn't be blocked
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I wasn't parading it around. I posted it once and never spoke of it again.

Stop making **** up.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Apple's use of the law is to eliminate competition. No question about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jayharper08:
Fair warning guys. Keep it polite.

If we come in here and have to clean up then points will be handed out. No one in particular, just a blanket warning for everyone.

Friendly reminder. :cool:;)