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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Apple can try all they want I will still never buy an iPhone. If anything it'll be WP8, but I'm not to excited about that. :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
I'd buy some booty walmart phone and wait for the Mozilla platform before i bought either one of those phones! Hate them both. And as for the pull to refresh..those settings have to be done within an app and i had that feature on friendcaster way long time ago! The linking thing could be done on non smartphones too. It's dumb! at the speed technology is growing and evolving Apple needs to learn to adapt and realize they didn't invent EVERYTHING and they are actually slowing progress because they suck!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SysAdmNj:
For what, deep down he's an apple fanboy. I'm sure you've see his reactions during apple conferences vs. google conferences.

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Do it! I'll personally donate towards your new nexus 7 :D. I cant stand apple now more than ever and will continue not buying apple products.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smeelious:
First,

I think people should look at Judge Koh, and her previous rulings. She isn't some blind apple fan. Her judgements tend to be fairly reasonable. It's not her fault that Sammy's lawyers suck...("No I can't tell the Tab and the IPad apart...") She also seems to have a wicked sense of humour.

(She did rule in that case that the design patent was likely invalid by the by...ie..No apple can't patent the rectangle)

2nd...Although I do think Apple's patent portfolio is ridiculous (slide to unlock?? Really?) It is really the fault of the USPTO, and patent law in general. It seriously needs some revision.

3rd...This sales ban doesn't affect me at all. I don't live in the States, and I already have my Nexus...as do most people I would think. This ban itself really isn't the issue.

The real issue is that this is the first real blow against Android itself. Google can't really jump in and claim that this is affecting their business. They don't make money off Android directly, so they cannot claim damages due to an injunction. This to me is why Google has been silent.

The big darkhorse is Google's notifications patent application. ie they have applied for the patent, but have not yet been granted it.

Sometimes I really wonder about patent release timing. Why do some patents take years and years to be granted, while the tech industry moves to that tech and goes past it...Then mystically it gets granted and all hell breaks loose. (I understand that the more vague the patent, like all of Apple's, the longer it takes to vet...)

Why, with obvious examples of previous art are patents granted anyway?

And of course this is all irrelevant since obviously Rick Sternbach, deserves the credit for inventing the tablet / mobile computing device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] c5satellite2:
Maybe the courts should do something productive with their time, like making crApple actually pay their taxes! Yes they paid 9.8% last year! Everyone else gets to pay about 35%! 100+billion in cash on hand, but won't pay their taxes?! Ponderous. Other companies are just a guilty. This crap needs to stop. Ultra rich living off our backs. Time to "eat the rich, it's the only thing that their good for!".

Sent from my ATT S4 One X
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] earlyberd:
Google does lose money when official Google-licensed devices get blocked.

They strike licensing deals with manufacturers in order to distribute their services, and they sell the phone directly through their online store. Manufacturers that don't make a deal with Google have to distribute Android without the Google apps pre-installed, same reason why Cyanogenmod was blocked from bundling the apps with their ROMs. And selling the phone directly means they can prove a direct relationship between the mobile ad revenues and the devices that go through their store.

They were silent in the past in regard to lawsuits against Samsung/HTC/Motorola/etc. because the devices in question had the customized TouchWiz/Sense/Blur UI on top that was the IP of the manufacturers only, and Apple was suing for features they claimed were mostly exclusive to those various shells. The manufacturers often complied and ended up tweaking/removing the infringing features, no interaction with Google necessary.

They won't remain silent this time because this is a dispute over stock Android and this is the basis for all future products. They're already in talks with Samsung to try to get Apple to settle out of court.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jk0l:
We all should get together to overthrow the patent system, like we did with the SOPA.

We don't need IP, because apparently IP is for suing each other.

If you really care about technology, you share your ideas with each other, so that idea can be innovated for the better.

Imagine things were patented back then, I don't think technology can be where it's at today.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rayiskon:
Some of us would apreciate if pesimists talking about a soon "rip android" scenario would f off this thread. These patents crap is mostly causing problems in the US , there were cases were apple won in Germany,Italy etc.. but i don't recall it had any impact on the sales of devices involved. Android is an open source project so the rip scenario is unlikely to happen even if Google abandons the project, someone will pick it up eventually, although the sound of it (Google abandoning android) is not realistic. Anyways, the most that apple can achieve is limiting the sales of android devices in the US (maybe in a few EU countries too) , the rest of the world will see no changes. So predicting a microsoft-apple competition only doesn't look possible to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] live4nyy:
"We" didn't do anything, SOPA was only a piece of legislation in which the vote had been postponed by the vigilance of a perpetual "few" that alerted others. And if "we" don't pay attention, they might try to swing it by us when we're not aware.

Also, the Patent system is Centuries old, an institution. We cannot just dismantle the agency, it must be reformed through a very slow and painful process in which I don't think most people have the patience/stomach for.

So put the flag down and stop screaming for a revolution and start putting in time making calls and sending emails, educate the people who vote and contact members of Congress.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] harveydent:
This. SOPA was tabled due more to the volume of calls to congress and the bad publicity once the media picked it up
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JediNinjafication:
Good call!

http://mobile.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Nokia-Politely-Tells-Google-Asus-Time-to-Pay-Up-for-Patents-229793/jeez..come on LG..come on Sanyo...come on Sony..why don't you guys make this one big party and jump in on this too?!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Ill be selling Nexus phones out of the trunk of my car in dark alleys. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Fancy name for meth ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sensation-al!:
Loooooooool

Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Get them while they're hot.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] red 90:
Irreparable Damage

So Apple's claim is that the patents that Samsung is infringing on is causing irreparable damage to the sales of the Apples products?

Do you really think that people are buying the samsung products instead of Apples products because of the slide unlocks, unified search, and word suggestion? How is it that Apple can prove they are losing the market because of those specific issues?

I know that my choice for the nexus is from that big ass screen thats on it and how easily customizable it can be. I'd think most people choose android for reasons other than those that they are claiming for the patent infringement.

I read somewhere that apple produced documents siting that samsung is specifically targeting the iphone.... NO S$%^ Sherlock... I don't think there's anything wrong to say your targeting a specific competitor in your market to compete with them. It's just like Ford or Chevy wanting to target the market that toyota has on the Camry.

To issue an injunction based upon really no information to me is insane.

At the end of the day, no one wins except the lawyers on both sides... They rake in the big bucks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Waiting for the buy one get one free sale.

butter and jelly please...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electronicrice:
Looks like Google has pulled the GNex from being sold on the Play Store now. Probably in relation to this: http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/03/samsung-denied-judge-declines-to-lift-injunction-against-galaxy/

Edit - And just like that it's back in stock lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keennay:
I'm literally on the Google Wallet checkout page for a brand new Galaxy Nexus HSPA+. What are the odds that it'd be pulled from the site, let's say, tomorrow?

How is the development community on this versus the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket (I'm a developer and couldn't care less about slightly better specs)?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zephiK:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/03/samsung-denied-judge-declines-to-lift-injunction-against-galaxy/

And, according to All Things D, Google and Sammy have already got a workaround ready to go and the software patch implementing it will be pushed out "imminently." So, in actuality, the news isn't that bad for Android lovers, but it does put another feather in Apple's legal cap.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
What will be funny is if Apple keeps patent trolling and judges start finding their patents invalid. Which can happen pretty easily.

Like an earlier linked article said...Android is everywhere. If they stop one device, there are 21343567567 others out there to take its place. Apple has two devices. They need to stop stepping on toes and use their money to innovate. At some point, this patent trolling going to bite them in the ass.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Oxirane:
Here's hoping this workaround doesn't remove any features. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
Yes it can. I'm betting that their patents start getting classified as universally accepted standards and as such can't call patent infringement as long as they get paid the extremely small amount it cost to license frand patents.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] harveydent:
The dev community for the GNex is awesome. Take for instance that we had Jellybean running on our phones a few hours after the Google I/O announcement
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I wish I could find that article in this thread that I was reading on my phone while I was travelling to San Diego, but it looked like the whole 'look' patent of the iPad was considered invalid by a judge because a device from 1994 has all the features the patent covers, which could lead it to be invalidated. I don't know enough about patent law, or law in general to know whats involved with that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leche1982:
Assuming the update is meant for US phones only, guess that means the yakju image is going to become popular again. :P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
I wonder if Google could just sell a $350 pair of Samsung headphones and get a free Nexus phone as a bonus?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leche1982:
As I understand it, the injunction stops them from importing, not selling. Your suggestion wouldn't resolve the issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qnet:
That's what I'm hoping doesn't happen. The Google voice search really seems to work well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
What's it matter? It's not like you have to take the update if you don't want to... lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] printing724:
Google will get involved at this point

I'm not a patent attorney but I can read the King's English. The '604 patent ("unified search") is dangerous to everyone not named Apple if it is allowed to stand.

From my reading, if you employ a computing device to run a program that employs more than one algorithm to search more than one data set, you are arguably infringing. If you rank the results according to another algorithm, you are infringing. If you return search results as the search terms are being inputted, you are infringing. There are 21 claims and they are hard to read but it sure looks to me like Apple has patented what we think of as the modern search engine.

Think about it. Even the most basic Google search (going back many years) acts on more than one data set (unpaid and paid search results), and employs more than one algorithm to carry out the search. To me this is prior art.

I can't predict how Google will get involved, but I believe it to be inevitable since this patent strikes at the heart of their business.

I also can't understand how Apple got this patent in the first place, or why I can't read it and understand completely what the limits of the claims are. I'm an experienced engineer and am used to reading documents like this. If I have trouble understanding what it says, I'll bet Judge Koh is struggling, too.

Time for the validity challenge, but it needs to be carefully thought out. The last thing the internet needs is a patent like this surviving an invalidity challenge.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
So does universal search just include when typing into the search bar say a contact pops up?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] saveferris:
Has a patent in the mobile industry ever been overturned because of prior art ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hxdrummerxc:
They could just remove the features just to get Apple to shut the hell up....

Then our huge development community can just add it right back in as a mod or a rom.

The only thing that is happening here, is Apple is running out of ideas, and Android is booming, sales are skyrocketing. And Apple is beginning to s*** their pants a little.

Besides, doesn't Samsung make the Retina display for Apple products? Maybe they should just stop supplying them their god forsaken "retina!!!" displays.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qnet:
True, I just don't want Apple messing this up for everyone else. I like and use Apple products but, I didn't like when the reviews showed how badly siri was beating S-voice. Now that Google has something on par with siri, and even faster and better in some ways, I think everyone should be able to experience that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Apple is paying good money to Samsung. Its not advantageous for either of them to move on, because Apple is limited on who they can go to, and Samsung likes the income.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Castle5665:
I wonder how many potential apple product purchases they have lost due to their litigation over innovation strategy? I can think of one definitely.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] printing724:
I think the term you are looking for is "unified" search as opposed to universal search. I have seen the term "universal" search applied on blogs to this subject in the past few days, but the correct term is "unified".

Now that we're done with semantics, a contact is just part of it.

The patent claims (as I read them, and I am an engineer not a patent attorney) revolve around the use of multiple heuristic algorithms to search multiple data sets. If you set your search options to include contacts and the internet, you are employing multiple algorithms on multiple data sets (since each different data set search requires a different algorithm). If the algorithms use prior search data to refine the search results, they are heuristic. That constitutes infringement.

I hope that others who are more knowledgeable than I can add their comments to correct any mistakes I have made.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dohchp:
I absolutley hate apple. Hate them. They are nothing more than a status symbol and can not compete head to head with even some of the worst Android devices. Something thats ironic is that apple's os's just like android are based off of a modified linux kernel, and linux is open source, out there for anyone to develop and make into there own. Apple cantvtake the fact that they are losing market share, and for good reason all of there devices are stupid expensive making there devices limited to people with lack of a better term disposable income. Not saying there arent expensive Android devices just that there are less expensive ones and even through respectable retailers you can buy pre owned or referbs for a resonable price, apple not so much. Apple has a tiny screen. And where apple complains of samsung's devices looking like apples, hahahaha kiss my a** apple are they supposed to make the phones square or round or triangle or what? I could write pages on solid reasons why android and/or samsung is days better than apple. :mad::mad::mad:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] onthecouchagain:
Another petition, this time specifically against Lucy Koh and Apple: https://www.change.org/en-AU/petiti...e-competition-and-stop-siding-in-apples-favor
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] armyboy11b:
Just signed ... apple will fall...I'll see it through :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ryanx196:
+1
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Android The Greek:
Didn't Google invent the first theoretical voice command system in Google voice. How is siri any different besides connecting it all together. Seriously just because the source is open apple can use from android, but because apple is closed its patent infringement. Maybe that's why apple is now pursuing manufacturers instead of google .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Basically that and apps or whatever is else that's on the phone as well as the web search. If it was up to me I'd just remove it completely and then have it available free in the play store. I don't think apple would go after apps in the play store, but then again we never expected this a few years ago.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bleach168:
Would anyone here have bought an iPhone 4S had the Nexus not come with unified search? Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, didn't think so. The injunction is a freaking joke.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bobsbbq:
Google play Store has pulled the Nexus again, or they have ran out of stock.

Glad I got my wife's ordered and will be here on Thursday.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
Do people on Android actually use the search bar to start an app, or to get to a SMS. I never had, then again we can orginize or screens to have what we need
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
I don't, but it is on one of my screens I use to search the web.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LoveNFC:
How old are some of you people? Apple executives must be laughing their butts off at these useless online petitions.

You are in a minority. You're the people who probably wouldn't buy an Apple device either way. The iPhone will continue to greatly outsell every individual Android phone and will continue to propel Apple to record profits. The Apple brand has reached a point where it is almost self-sustaining. The iPhone 4 seemed to have a fundamental hardware fault, yet still sold tens of millions. The only thing that could negatively affect Apple's image to the point where they would lose money is if it were found that Apple devices directly cause cancer. Even then they'd probably still sell millions.

Apple aren't going anywhere any time soon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/3/31...vailable-to-purchase-from-google-play-website

Highly doubt they are out of stock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I wonder what Google is doing about this (I know about the patch I mean in a legal sense)? How they will hit back? and if Apple will be able to keep on crushing innovation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] segv11:
If it removes any features, we'll root or ROM and add them back.

Suck on that, Apple!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Exodian:
Till apple takes you to court.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BlackElvis79:
No more gnex on GooglePlay.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/7/3...vailable-to-purchase-from-google-play-website
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] segv11:
Apple will have the devil of a time knowing who has rooted or ROMed their phones to add back forbidden features, and if they even could prosecute individual users, they would have a hard time proving damages. They would also become the most hated company on the planet.

I suppose they could have more success going after ROM makers, and that is unfortunate. Perhaps CM needs to move overseas.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shibed:
Im glad mine is in the mail. I will have it Thursday.

Tomorrow, for independence day, i will take an old ipod I have, douse it in gasoline, and burn it in defiance! It will at least make me happy. I'll post pics tomorrow.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Screwhead24:
Apparently the OTA update IS REMOVING the search feature :(

http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/galaxy-nexus-not-available-in-play-store.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] segv11:
A lot of Apple fanboys on the verge. :-(

Apple needs to be stopped because of their anticompetitive, unamerican practices, and the US patent office needs to get a clue. Probably this will take a case going to the US Supreme Court on the question not of particular patents, but software patents in general.

Hopefully, Google has the balls to do that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Damn. I can't believe they actually removed the GNex from the play store. Everybody kept saying how it was only preventing samsung from importing the GNex to the US, and it didn't affect sellers who already had them (Google, Verizon, Sprint, etc.). Also, on another note, Apple would have a very easy time finding rom developers/tweak developers who have re-instated the search function, which could be very very bad for those who choose to bring it back. Does Google Now require any type of communication with Google servers, or is it all pre-baked within the phone/rom itself? This is getting very interesting...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sensation-al!:
The Almighty Google shall attack apple's legal team until they are a stuttering mess of sweaty suits, ties and briefcases. I hope. ;)

Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jyveafk:
I'm a bit twitchy, ordered, money taken from bank account, but no tracking numbers yet. Hope the order/shipping made it before the injunction. Having the holiday tomorrow is probably slowing things down too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HiddenSanctum:
Damn I just ordered one, anyone know if I will be affected?

Updated: Google just told me it has been shipped, looks like if you ordered it before the ban it should go through
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] segv11:
When HTC came out with a patch to avoid a different obnoxious Apple patent and gimped the UI, the XDA community hacked around it fairly quickly. There was discussion that Apple might come after those publishing the hacks; but did that ever happen?

If so, I guess it's time for ROM development (and XDA) to move overseas, to a country that is out of Apple's reach.

Hackers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your Apple Bull****.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Yes. Let's move all the servers to Sweden!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phatmanxxl:
Apple went after the dev community over jailbreaking the phones, they claimed Apple owned the phones or something like that. The court ruled the consumer owned the phones and were allowed to modify them if.they so choose. I don't think Apple could win a case over Android users hackng their phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] XGrinder911:
In response to three fourth post: is that why the links for numbers and emails is gone in jelly bean?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] decepticon:
Now listed as coming soon :(

My girlfriend JUST ordered one yesterday and it was shipped out. I hate it for anyone looking to get one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
Yes. But I believe jail breaking didn't go against any of their patents - just against their user policy or something...