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[Motorola Photon 4G] a1atif:
i have a NON ROOTED MoPHO.

ok My phone's 4g connection disconnects and it goes to scanning mode, it never connects back by it self so only way i can get it working is but switching it off by 4G widget and turning it back on.... it last for few minutes... then i have to do all over again..

its annoying! i use easy teather through USB.. but this problem occurs even when i am browsing just on my Phone(not on computer).

Any Body Else had this Problem? any solutions?
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
I really don't understand why people need more than 16g, of course the option to have more and carry a larger collection is always good, but it's definitely enough. I think people are more worried about the feeling of "being limited". I have never used the cloud, and still don't plan to, unless it's urgent documents I need to transfer. I do plan on using it as a media consumption device- movies, ebook, shows, browsing etc.

Here's why

1) Put your music on the phone. This tab doesn't have cellular reception anyways, you will have your phone. Put all 10g's or however much music on your phone. It's easier to take out your phone, put in your pocket, and use as a mp3 player then to use a tablet anyways, much more convenient.

2) Apps will not take over 1g. So for 16g version, let's say you start from 14g. Minus apps you have 13g.

3) Ebooks, epubs, takes up basically NO space. You could put the entire collection of Game of Thrones, harry potter, hunger games, 30 books and it won't take up any space because they're all text files.

4) If you read comics, because they are big pictures, they might take maybe 2-3 g's. You can also put a small size of your favorite picture collection in it. So now we have 10 g's left.

5) Movies. A good quality movie takes 1G? You can have 5 movies on it. Why would you need more? Even on a long distance trip, will you finish all 5 movies? I don't understand the need to have your entire collection on the tablet, there's no need to put 20 movies on it, when you won't watch them all yet. We have 5g's left.

6) Television shows. Most television shows are 40 minutes long. They take up less space than movies. I watch a lot of shows- big bang theory, game of thrones, modern family. Just get the 300mb version, instead of the super HD 1g versions. It'll be enough for your 7 inch screen. With 5g, you can put 2 entire seasons of a show on your tablet. Or do like what I do, put the latest 5 episodes of different shows on it to have more variety.

That's it: now, what can you do with your 16g Nexus 7?

You have tons of books you can never finish, comics to read, 8 hours+ of movies to watch, 24+ episodes of shows to watch, and web browsing is always available.

Is this not enough? When you finish watching the movies or shows, delete them. Pretty sure the tablet will not be your only device, so refill after you finish! I think people are just greedy and want to put their entire collection of movies on it.. but I don't see why if you aren't going to watch them anytime soon. Not telling people how to use their tablets, and I understand it takes more effort to shuffle things into your tablet every once in a while. But I'm just saying, it's possible to have a 16g device and enjoy all the media consumption even without using clouds.
[Nexus 7 General] neok44:
my bluray rips are 6GB. i'd love for you to tell me how to get 720p quality video down to 1GB.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Do you really need to watch bluray quality on a 7 inch tablet though?

Even if it was 6 g, ok, then one movie at a time then.

But really, you can put three 2g movies on the tablet and they'll be of the highest quality already. I dont think it makes that much of a difference on the 7 inch screen if you go up further.
[Nexus 7 General] neok44:
No, i don't, but thats what i have my rips as. I'm not going to re-rip all my movies for one device. and the display is 1280x800, so 720 is the perfect resolution.

hence why OTG, or god forbid, a USB port is great. I can plug my 1TB hard drive into my Asus Transformer and i have all my media. On the Galaxy Nexus i can plug in a 32GB flash drive that can store 3-4 movies and up to 16 shows.

N7, right now. just the 16GB internal. which if the Gnex says anything, will actually only be 13GB.
[Nexus 7 General] _MetalHead_:
You're kidding right? I have 6 gb of games and apps on my One X. I have a ton more purchased that I haven't installed just because I am trying to keep open space on my phone in case I want to load a few Slayer or Gojira albums on it. You can bet that my 16 gb N7 is going to be completely tapped for space within minutes of me getting it. I might keep 2-3 gb open for a movie or two but every other byte will be used up by games and apps.
[Nexus 7 General] kanzlerin:
I'm used to listening to my 20GB music collection. I don't want to split it up and download parts of it every day, I like a big playlist.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Ahh games, I forgot about that one. My biggest game is 200mb though, I guess I'm not really a games person, or haven't gotten into it yet.

But without games, how do apps take up space? Most phone apps are less than 20mb, and those are the big ones. Normal ones take like 1-4 mb.
[Nexus 7 General] _MetalHead_:
Literally the only reason why I bought this thing is for gaming. I can't wait to play the Tegra 3 version of Shadowgun on it.
[Nexus 7 General] chief1978:
I am guessing you are from the USA and forget not everyone in the world lives there?

I fly multiple times a year from Perth to Washington DC which is 3 flights of

5 hours, 14 hours and 5 hours

Does your statement still hold? 5 movies haha - more like 10-15.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Before you worry about running out of movies to watch, you need to worry about running out of battery. Your tablet won't last you for the entire 14 hours flight btw. Running out of movies should be the least of your concern.

Since your trip goes beyond reasonable usage of a tablet already (24 hours), it is reasonable that you will have to do more to sustain having entertainment on the tablet. You will have to stop somewhere to charge along the way. I hope the in between transfer time is long enough, otherwise your tablet will never have enough battery. I guess it is only fair that you need to bring an extra USB-OTG then.

I agree, an SD card would be very valuable for you in this instance. But I don't think a lot of people take 24 hour trips. I think for most people, 9 hours worth of movies (if you fill the 10g with all movies) should be more than enough until they can transfer files into it again.
[Nexus 7 General] chief1978:
Most long haul flights have power sockets in the seats especially on international flights (as long as you avoid US carriers ..shudder..) power has never been a problem.

When someone starts a thread generalizing ever users "use" of their products you have to expect this sort of response.
[Nexus 7 General] got556:
not only that but a New Trent 12000 would really come in handy for those flights. :)

sent from my EOS 2.0 XOOM
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Yeap, and that's perfectly fine.

I guess we can say if your usage is more out of the norm - e.g. you need more than 9 hours of movies in one go- then Nexus 7 isn't that good of an option for you. Or you could still always bring USB-OTG for extra storage.

But generally, for most people, 9 hours straight of movies/books/games should be able to sustain their needs. And again, we're not talking about the end-all super tablet here. This is $250, meant to be a cheap pick-up. Just saying people can still do ok with 16g, thats all. :)
[Nexus 7 General] mojo4321:
Nandroid and Titanium backups can take a lot of space. Also, I like to be able to download new ROMs and flash from anywhere (wifi willing). Uploading/downloading from the cloud takes too long and is too inconvenient with large files. Most free cloud services have file size limitations or not much storage space. Using cloud services can be done, but it requires juggling multiple services and a lot of time wasted uploading and (re)downloading files.
[Nexus 7 General] foxorroxors:
lmao couldn't resist :-)
[Nexus 7 General] sepffuzzball:
I'd have to say, one of the reasons I really like technology in general is there are so many differing ways to use it depending on a users wants or needs.

A large portion of the music I listen to on my phone/laptop/tablet is ripped in FLAC. I'll admit, some devices definitely sound better than others, but even on my phone with my HD380 or HD595 headphones (or streaming over bluetooth via APTX, or using one of my USB DACs that I travel with on my laptop) the difference is apparent. Even my car speakers (11-speaker Harman Kardon setup) showcase the difference in audio quality.

One of the reasons I've preordered the Nexus 7 (16GB) is for car usage. Offline maps/navigation is nice for those longer trips, but it's moreso for playing my music over speakers, as well as bluetooth OBD-II connectivity and Torque. I also tend to keep a couple 720p reencoded blu-ray rips (my entire blu-ray collection is ripped without compression on my server at home) for when necessary.

Either way, I feel I'll be able to deal with only have 16GB worth of space (I'm using about 20GB for music on my phone), but I'd prefer more OR expandable storage.

One thing I've noticed with every device I've ever owned. I've filled up all available storage (current phone is 8 + 32GB, less than 10% available. Current laptop is 128GB + 128GB SSD storage, less than 10% available. Current server is 30+ TB (24x 2TB drives in Raid-Z2 in VDEVs of 8 drives each) and has 28% free because I JUST added 8 more drives to it since we had less than 1% free).

I love storage. I love data. I love technology. And I love that there are so many devices out there than can meet peoples needs.
[Nexus 7 General] Jordanooo:
On my Xperia play, i have a 32gb sdcard and i have almost filled that with games alone. Games like fifa need 2gb data alone...
[Nexus 7 General] hashibahoohaa:
ffmpeg

---------- Post added at 07:18 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:07 AM ----------

Look no further than this:

http://ffmpeg.org/

You can still hit the movie bucket size quoted by OP and manage to fit more than 15 movies with decent quality - no 720p of course, but x264 can do magic

---------- Post added at 07:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:18 AM ----------

Do you have all this TB worth of data cataloged? I had love to see a high level view / snapshot. Waiting.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
I thought about this as a possibility.

Thing is, this is battery-inefficient for when you want to both use the tablet (say to read) and listen to music at the same time. Effectively, you're wakelocking two devices at once.

To conserve battery, I'd much rather use the tablet for doing both (even if doing so cuts down on the size of my collection). The tablet has a lot more battery to kill as well. Hence, the storage space is an issue.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
I am an avid music listener and I don't really see that point. Listening to music on the phone hardly takes out any battery at all.. I've listened for maybe 3 hours, and it takes 10-15%? The reason is because the screen isn't on.. the screen/movies/games are the biggest battery killers. Music playback while the screen is off doesn't hurt that much. If you have your tablet for most of your gaming/browsing/movies, I think your phone would last many days and battery would not be a huge concern.

However, I'd understand why you'd want to only use 1 device at one time for convenience though.
[Nexus 7 General] sepffuzzball:
I took a few snapshots of the individual disks, pools and ZFS Folders (as well as a directory and subdirectory listing of the largest ZFS Folder we have) that I just took for ya.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3706632/SOL - Disks.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3706632/SOL - Pools.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3706632/SOL - Folders.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3706632/videos.txt

Our main pool (LCL) has all of the 2TB drives in 3 sets of 8 drives all in Raid-Z2. Terminal and Dogma are mirrored pairs 1TB and 1.5TB drives respectively that are used as temporary storage. Sync is is 4 1.5TB drives Striped and Mirrored which is shared out via NFS and iSCSI back to the VM host (Solaris is running in a VM on a Supermicro H8DG6-F with 2x 8-Core Opterons, 32GB of RAM, and 5 LSISAS1068 cards, as well as an onboard SAS. The SAS cards are given directly to Solaris via VT-d so it has hardware access to them) for the other virtual machines that live on the same box. All of this is put into 2x 4u enclosures (Norco RPC-4220 and RPC-4224 that I dremeled together and ran additional cooling through). There is also an array of 5 SSDs (60GB Vertex 2s) that is used for the VM boot drives.

The video files are all in MKV containers, but the video streams are not reencoded. We strip out the features and keep them separate if we wish to keep them. One of the reasons we do this is because my boyfriend OCRs the subtitle files to embed in the MKV so it's actual proper text (why they store subtitles as images I'll never know) because I like to watch movies with subtitles. Also, it's nice to have everything quickly available for streaming via subsonic or quick access from the HTPC.

If you want to see anything else, let me know! ^_^

PS, sorry for the slight thread hijack!
[Nexus 7 General] chronicle:
I have >20GB of Audio Books. Each book can take up to 1GB if it's a 40hr whopper. Either way, I like to travel with 5-6 audio books downloaded, some videos, loads of photos and tons of music. This device is needlessly crippled.

I have bought one in the hope that I can either crack it open and install more storage via a microSD card somewhere on the MB (yikes) or that the USB OTG mass storage gets hacked to work.

Really, if Google had offered 32GB & 64GB versions - this would have cost them practically very little more to produce - so sell it to me for $219 instead or 199 - I don't care! No one cares, it's still fantastic value. And according to google's rubbish argument, we'd all have even more space to download Play material, giving google more revenue.

Silly restrictions, badly thought through IMO.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
If that was all your phone was used for (and the battery started out as fully-charged) then yes, it would last 10-20 hours. That is not, however, all I use my phone for, and I don't always get the chance to fully-charge it before going out.

Given an initial charge of 40-60% (which is not always, but often enough), and that the phone is also used "in transit" (in contrast to the tablet when you get somewhere with wifi) for music and browsing, the battery situation becomes more than a little uncomfortable.

sent from my Terran Command Center.
[Nexus 7 General] 4z01235:
YES.

Anyway. I have a 32GB International One X and I'm using 0.99GB on apps, and have about 11GB of music. The music would be a lot larger but I reencode everything down to 128kbps MP3s when I load onto my phone to save space (and it's not like I'm going to hear much of a difference in the audio quality, even with the lowered bitrate, when I'm listening on a phone and through earbuds). I think it would be nice to have a little more storage on the Nexus 7, perhaps a 32GB option, so I could put full bitrate music and some HD movies/shows onto it, and not need to juggle around files so much. But 16GB is still manageable if I just don't keep any music, I guess.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Apps don't take over 1GB? Weird, because Mass Effect infiltrator itself is a 500MB download. Apps are getting bigger, especially in the gaming sector.
[Nexus 7 General] Atmazzz:
Some of these posts remind me of this TV show. :p
[Nexus 7 General] hashibahoohaa:
Very nice and impressive, well done. But still don't see the cataloger data. :D
[Nexus 7 General] pokey9000:
Nice naming scheme. Back in college my roommates and I shared a 6x86MX Debian server named centraldogma. I think it had 4.7GB of disk (Quantum Bigfoot IIRC). Coincidentally, I was a Solaris admin around the same time.

Back on point: just ordered a 16GB. 8GB would be fine most days, but the $50 will seem worth it next time I'm on the road.
[Nexus 7 General] RMXO:
You will see storage issues if you get a 8gb once you perform nandroids & play games that take space. My nandroids are around 1.5gb'ish. Do yourself a favor & spend that extra $50 to get a 16GB. Being cheap will only make you regret it in the end.
[Nexus 7 General] lawguy:
Guys: The Nexus Seven was built to a price. It is meant for the average consumer with typical needs. The money is spent on the screen and the processor and the build quality, which are all good. Compromises were made on storage, HDMI out, and the rear camera. It is what it is.

If it is not for you, then you need to buy something else. Don't wish it was something it is not because it can't change. Either wait for someone to release a tablet with fewer compromises (and pay more) or live with diminished expectations.

You can buy an Acer Iconia A100 for around the same money. It has ICS, an SD slot, and HDMI out. But, it has cheap build quality and a bad screen.

You can buy a HTC Flyer. It has good build quality, supports MHL, and has an SD slot but onl yhas Honeycomb (but there are ports of ICS that work okay for some people).

You can buy a Galaxy Tab 2. It has ICS, a decent screen, decent build quality, and an SD slot. But, touchwiz makes it a pain to use.

Pick your poison.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
let me summarize this topic:

"HI I have an opinion, but I believe my opinion to be fact and any one else who differs from my opinion is wrong and dont know what they are talking about. Furthermore my opinion is fact, so if you find yourself in need for more storage your wrong, i am right"
[Nexus 7 General] RMXO:
fighting amongst android user is worst than Apple vs Android, LOL.:rolleyes:
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
The operative word is "I" since the OPs perception and use is their own and others their own different perception.

Case in point, I will keep my 32gb View and 64gb card in it and you enjoy your N7 :)

I am holding on that the non gimped T370 version will still release for $50 more. It probably died for the N7, but there is still a chance..... I guess.
[Nexus 7 General] pokey9000:
"Misinformation from egomaniacs? In my XDA?"

It's more likely than you think.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Just proving a point that it can be used nicely by all the users.

Most people complaining in this thread are asking for too much. Why don't you attach a 3TB harddrive to it as well?

It's a $200 low-end device. Don't like it, don't buy it. It is still great for the rest of us.
[Nexus 7 General] unclesem:
8Gb version is way too small anyhow. 16gb might be ok.

But on 8 gb you have less than 6 gb available for users. You take 1 movie from the google play store offline and you got 1.8gb left

so for long flights it's way too small
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
I'm buying I don't see a storage being a problem. But I'm not going to tell someone who needs more storage for HD content that they should be using a 480p. I don't think they are asking to much, I also don't feel the need to tell how they should use their device.
[Nexus 7 General] killerbicycle:
What a ridiculous amount of bickering.

I would like to have greater than 16GB of storage, but my reasons for such are probably far less common than most.

I go through long periods without any outside interactivity, as in no internet, wifi, mobile data, etc. My primary use for this device will be movies, books, and games. Is 16 gigs enough for all that? Yes, but not without frequent Movie transfers. The lack of External storage or greater capacity is not a deal breaker for me, although I would like to see such options.

The OP brings up several points though that I can relate and or agree with.

I generally wouldn't use a tablet for any music purposes, I have my motoactv and my phone for that. I understand trying to consolidate and reduce the amount of items taken on a trip, but those are two items i'm not going to give up.

Books are practically non existent as far as data consumption.

Apps and games. Several of my games are five to six hundred megs large, so i can see a decent amount of space consumed by multiple games. But apps in general aren't very large.

TV and movies are my only real concern, but i think there is more than enough space for a flight from Hawaii to Tennessee, I would expect the tablet to give out before that trip was finished though (without a layover battery charging).

Besides the whole cloud concept, there is another reason entirely for not utilizing external storage. From what I have read most Manufacturer's hate them as most people grab the cheapest and slowest SD card and then complain about how "slow," their device is, not to mention it introduces an unknown into the device, something the manufacturer can't account for. I see both sides, the external storage is nice to have for expandability, with that said I have had several cards fail (and external HDD's) during a trip (it seemed like everything was breaking). Despite my redundancy, I lost a decent amount of entertainment.

my two cents.
[Nexus 7 General] foxbat121:
Google isn't going out of its way to build a perfect 7" tablet. It tries to mimic game console model to promote its Play store contents.

It needs to put some restrictions on so that it won't piss off other Android OEMs more than it already did. You want more storage and HDMI output? Buy some other brands.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Yet you feel the need to tell someone how to create their own thread.

I agree, having external storage helps, but it isn't to the point that it is unusable. That's all I'm saying. If you want more, go beyond this price point then. Don't ask for the best service and biggest seats if you buy economy class tickets.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>What a ridiculous amount of bickering.

It's just people beeswaxing while waiting for their toys to get here. And, it's a valid concern.

The N7 has much in common with the Kindle Fire. Fire also has this limitation (worse, since it's only 8GB) and its forum also went through the same contortions over it.

There was never any good solution, because Fire's micro-USB is 3.3V, and to change it requires a HW mod. But even if OTG works, it's not a substitute for SD slot. SD provides full-time fast storage, and OTG can't be plugged in full-time.

N7, like Fire, is to consuming content from the vendor's app store. Both have good HW and are cheap, because Goog and AMZ are to some extent subsidizing the cost. The intentionally limited storage and I/O are for the same reason, to encourage more vendor-provided (as opposed to BYO) content consumption. (Same rationale applies to iPad.) Both the good and bad go hand-in-hand.

I think 16GB (13.5 actual) is sufficient for common uses. Media, especially video, will need to be streamed rather than be local. Those who want their media library for mobile use will need to look elsewhere. As above, I see OTG as a poor solution.

The 8GB (5.5 actual) model is more constraining. Uses here are limited to web browsing/social, reading, AV streaming, and a smaller mix of game/app. But that still covers most casual uses for the device.