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[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
Never mind about the question re: your use of HTC Sync; I re-read your post and see you do NOT use it at all.

OK, uninstalled HTC Sync completely from my computer. Tried all the same stuff. Still no playlists. However, I had the music app open with the list of playlists displayed when I invoked the manual copy. Because I wiped the media storage per your method, there were no playlists in the list. When the phone went to read the SD Card, I could see that the phone read the m3U playlist I copied manually, because the list of playlists flashed down for a brief second with an added playlist (although it was too fast to read what it was), then the list quickly collapsed again, leaving no playlists.

I will wait for the VZW release of ICS, then unlock and root the phone at that time. I will then hunt for the playlists file/database. I will see about writing a utility that pokes and possibly updates however the phone stores playlists. In the meantime, if you think of anything else I might be missing, I would appreciate hearing about it. ;-)
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
Can you do me a favor and open one of the small .M3U files (that you have found to indeed be working when you copy to the phone) in a text editor and copy and paste the contents in a post? I wanna compare the syntax to what I have in the ones I have, because the phone is apparently reading the file and determining validity based on what it reads in the file.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
OK, connected via Disk Drive.

Opened a command prompt in Windows 7.

Changed Directory to Music folder on the phone's SD card.

Entered:

dir *.mp3 /b > test.m3U

Exited the command prompt window. Using Computer, navigated to the Music folder on my SD card. TEST.M3U was indeed written. Opened it and saw a list of all .MP3s. Closed it, and changed phone connection to Charge Only.

Watched the playlist listing on the phone while the phone "prepared SD card for use". The playlist list did indeed drop down and I saw TEST added to the list while the list was being read. The list then shrunk back up and TEST was no longer there. Definitely some corruption somewhere, or a bug. 'Nuff said.:(
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
Installed Playlist Maker on the phone. Created a playlist based on all songs in Music Folder. Playlist Maker asked where I wanted the playlist stored. I told it I wanted it on the music/playlists folder. After creation, viewed the folder hierarchy via ES File Explorer, and the playlist showed up in the music/playlists folder as well as in the List of Playlists in thge music app.

Put the phone in Disk Drive mode, checked via Windows and the list was still in the phone's music/playlists folder. Went back to Charge Only, and the list stayed put.

Went back to Disk Drive mode, opened the file via Windows, and save a copy to a different name. Put the phone back in Charge Only mode, and when the phone read the card, I again saw the list flash in the Playlists list in the music app and disappear again. Checked the playlists folder on the SD card, and sure enough the file was gone.

Went back to disk drive mode, opened the original playlist that Playlist Maker had created and deleted some songs from within. Saved the file, and went back to Charge Only. Lo and behold, the playlist was gone from within the music app, and the playlist file was deleted from the folder.

Made another list in Playlist Maker. In Disk Drive mode, deleted the list from the Music/Playlists folder. Went back to Charge Only mode, and while the list is gone from the folder, the Playlist still lives in the music app.
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
I don't use HTC Sync at all.

Last night I connected my phone via usb to my pc, synced a new mp3 through windows media player and cut and pasted the updated playlist I made for it onto my phone. After I rebooted I noticed I again had duplicate playlists. The only thing I synced was the one mp3 but somehow all my playlists got duplicated.

I'm thinking there is some type of glitch in the phone doing this and maybe once the ICS update drops it will be fixed.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
Oh, I almost forgot, I found the HTC Sync database on my PC:

C:\Documents and Settings\[your username]\AppData\Roaming\HTC\Database\UPCT_DB.s3db

I have opened it and can see that it is a MySQL database. It looks like this is the database instruction set that tells HTC Sync what to do, but I am not sure yet how it works. I need to compare before and after sync files to determine that.
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
I cleared my music folder on my sdcard and started all over from scratch syncing with WMP but still get duplicate playlists everytime I connect the phone through usb, last time I had 3 sets of duplicate playlists. And again I don't use HTC Sync so this appears to be a universal problem with syncing music. I don't have this problem with my Droid Incredible running GB 2.3.4 and Sense 2 so its something new, I'm hoping it will be fixed in the update.
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
I'm not really sure how to open m3u's to read. I used notepad+ to edit it and the first lines read:

1. #EXTM3U

2. #EXTINF:0,3 The Kill.mp3

3. ..\30 Seconds To Mars\A Beautiful Lie\03 The Kill.mp3

The rest are all a similar list of the music in the playlist. This is for one of the playlists on my phone. I'm not at home so can't look at the one on my pc.

To me it appears that the phone doesn't update a playlist during a sync, it sees any changes made as being a new playlist and copies it over. Sync to me is if you make a change on one device it is updated on the other, either automatically or manually and its not working this way.

When I go to menu>settings>applications>manage applications>all I notice there are some new additions to the Rezound that the incredible doesn't have, two I think might be causing my issues, Auto-sync and MediaAutoUploadSetting. I'm not sure exactly what these do but I'm sure its not good for my playlists.

Edit: I plugged my phone into a pc without any of my playlists on it and low and behold I now again have 2 sets of identical playlists on the phone. So this phone is just effed up as to music management. Any time I connect to a pc by usb my phone makes itself a whole new set of playlist.

Edit 2: I plugged it into another pc without playlists and yet again another copy is made. So far this has happened on a windows xp, vista and windows 7 pc.

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This is what my problem is I think. Everytime I disconnect from usb as a disk drive the phone automatically rescans the external sdcard, as my playlists are on here, it reads them as new playlists and copies them to the internal cache. To stop it I will have to delete my external playlists.

The reason I started putting them on the external sdcard is that my old phone kept screwing up the internal playlists. Any new music wasn't added alphabetically which is what I want but at the end of the playlist and there is no way to edit the internal lists. Plus anytime I changed ROMs I lost all my playlists and backup software was spotty at restoring it. Even though the Incredible rescans the sdcard too it isn't making new playlists so some app or service added by HTC since is doing this. Probably one of the ones I listed in my last post.

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Deleting my external playlists solved this problem I will just have to find a new way to update my playlists. It's strange that the phone only makes new copies of playlists as my mp3's in the same folder on the ext sdcard were never duplicated.

Here's one more oddity. I deleted my external playlists and rebooted my phone but the duplicate files were all still there, one of which I had assumed was the external playlists and thought would disappear once the phone rebooted. And they all still worked. This is just piss poor media management.
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
I'm setting up HTCSync to see how that works out with managing my music. I noticed that it doesn't recognize M3U playlists so I had to convert all mine back to the windows playlists format. We'll see how this works out. I think HTC has integrated the phone and HTCSync more than in the past and this is the problem. My old ways of managing media just don't work any more.

Edit: HTCSync doesn't work all that well. It didn't copy one whole playlist though it did bring over all the folders with the album art but it didn't copy over any of the mp3's. For the playlists it did manage to bring over they too were missing some mp3's and again the folder with the album art was copied over but not the mp3. I can't see any reason for this as my paths are all correct.

I'm going back to syncing with windows media player and will just have to deal with the multiple playlists.
[HTC Rezound] Apsalus:
I've been pulling my hair out trying to get my RZD to play nice with my m3u playlists since the January update fucked the software. I am pleased to announce that adding the playlists manually, clearing the Media Storage data and then rebooting appears to have cleared it up. One of my playlists came through renamed (for some bizarre reason), but they are all there now. I was extremely disappointed to find that the phone would eat all of my m3u's after I would add music and unmount the phone. I suppose that it should be a phone first and a music player eighth, but my Hero and Desire still accept new media flawlessly and, prior to the January update, so did my RZD. When I grilled HTC about it, they told me to use Google Music instead. What do they care - they already have my money.
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
Yes and unfortunately everytime you add new music and updated playlists you have to go thru these steps to get the phone to organize and display them correctly. My Incredible also does not have this problem and Google Music sucks so thats not an option in my opinion.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
I recently had to add a new playlist, and the phone not only "ate" the new playlist, it "digested" the ones that were already there that were know to work fine (thereby proving the paths were indeed all correct). We all know there's no way to get the playlists back on with HTC Sync (and in my case, manually copying .WPLs or .M3Us does not work, either).

What worked in the end was deleting the music folder manually, and syncing again from scratch. While not the ideal process, I THINK I might finally have a process I can at least depend on to work, regardless of how ridiculous the process is. As a working cover band musician, I typically create new playlists when I need to learn new songs. Thus, I need to find a way I KNOW will work to get playlists from my computer to my phone, even if it means deleting the music folder altogether ansd starting again. What was really killing me was having playlists for different bands and gigs, then when I needed to add a new one, I never knew what was going to happen when I sent a new one (which I now know will trash all my other playlists). So, knowing that deleteing the Music folder and starting again at least gives me all my playlists is a HUGE improvement over the phone "eating" the lists that were already on the phone.

FWIW, I think this phone should have been recalled. It's music aspects were promoted MORE than its phone functionality, so Verizon should be ashamed for continuing to make it available in its current state of independability as a music device. But, as alluded to in a post above, it has become obvious that cell manufactures and carriers alike really only care about one thing... taking your money. I know that I, from this point on, will never again believe what I see or hear in terms of advertising from manufacturers and carriers.
[HTC Rezound] kiint:
i've been using the HTC Sync "sync specified iTunes playlist" for several HTC phones and it has always worked great, just FWIW
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
I've tried it and it doesn't work correctly on the Rezound, everytime it syncs I get duplicates.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
OK, I have FINALLY confirmed it. The problem is indeed with the Rezound itself. I have HTC Sync doing all the syncing, and everything is working fine now, with one exception. Everytime I sync, I get duplicate playlists, EVEN when I turn off Music syncing in the Sync software! This proves that this is clearly a problem with the phone. Doing the Clear Data takes care of it, and unlike before when the .M3U files were also being deleted, the .M3U files are now magically staying where they belong.

Interestingly, I notice that when I allow the sync software/phone do the conversion of .WPL files to .M3U filesthe phone is no longer eats playlists, even those that I copy manually to the phone. However, I do notice that the syntax in the sync software/phone's versions of .M3Us is different than typical .M3Us. For example, whereas a typical .M3U syntax would list each song on separate lines, like so:

/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Led Zeppelin - Rock and Roll.mp3

/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin'.mp3

the phone doesn't like single line entries, thus eats the playlist. However, if you create the ,M3U without carriage returns, and without spaces between songs, like this, the phone is happy, albeit creates duplicates in its own database every time you sync:

/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Led Zeppelin - Rock and Roll.mp3/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin'.mp3
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
OK, I have FINALLY confirmed it. The problem is indeed with the Rezound itself. I have HTC Sync doing all the syncing, and everything is working fine now, with one exception. Everytime I sync, I get duplicate playlists, EVEN when I turn off Music syncing in the Sync software! This proves that this is clearly a problem with the phone. Doing the Clear Data takes care of it, and unlike before when the .M3U files were also being deleted, the .M3U files are now magically staying where they belong.

This is because I now allow the sync software/phone do the conversion of .WPL files to .M3U files. Also, the phone does not eat these playlists. I have discovered that the reason some of us are having problems with .M3U playlists is because the phone does not like the typical .M3U syntax. The syntax in the sync software/phone's versions of .M3Us is different than typical .M3Us. For example, a typical .M3U syntax would list each song on separate lines, like so:

/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Led Zeppelin - Rock and Roll.mp3

/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin'.mp3

However, the phone doesn't like single line entries, thus eats the playlist. If you instead create an .M3U without carriage returns, and without spaces between songs, like this, the phone is happy (albeit still creates duplicates in its own internal playlist database every time you sync):

/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Led Zeppelin - Rock and Roll.mp3/mnt/sdcard/ext_sd/Music/Playlist/music/Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin'.mp3

So, if I manaully create .M3Us, using this syntax, the phone will indeed recognize and use the list.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
ICS Fixed Everything

Just thought everyone on this thread would like to know that the ICS update completely fixed the playlists issues. In fact, it's so good, that you no longer get those annoying duplicates that force you to delete media storage and then unmount/remount the sd card (or reboot) so the music app re-reads the playlists! Of course, you still have to store playlists in the default Windows location, but that's a small price to pay for the convenience of having everything work the way it should.

Disclaimer: I am running a beta of a newer HTC Sync 3.3.6, but since it did not fix the problem on GB, I'm pretty sure that if I go back to the "certified" release version, it would be fine. But, before I do that, I'd appreciate if someone could let me know if it indeed works right, now that ICS is out. I'd hate to fix what's not broken, and then break what was fixed. :)

Edit: Figures... 5 minutes after I post, I get duplicate lists. Interestingly, only SOME got duplicated.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
OK, of the lists that were duplicated, I deleted the first ones listed. Interestingly, the .M3U files were not deleted, like they always were in GB when you deleted a dupe list. I did another sync, and no dupes showed up. So far, so good.

I then unplugged the phone and reconnected, allowing it to HTC Sync to do its thing. Again, no dupe lists.

I then restarted the phone and opened the music app. Again, no dupes.

I reconnected the phone and let HTC Sync do its thing again. And, once again, no dupes.

I think there must've been some record entries leftover in the internal .SQL databases for those playlists that were being duped, probably because I was previously doing the Clear Data in the Media Storage app as a workaround. In fact, I can see how that could've confused the system. Anyway, I think I've done pretty much everything I can to try and re-create scenarios that previously resulted in dupe lists. And, everything still seems to be in order. ;)
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
Even with the new ICS update I get duplicate playlists everytime I connect my phone thru USB to a pc. I have to go into the music app and delete all the playlists before connecting.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
I bet it's because you're dragging those .M3U lists over manually. Once I deleted dupes that first time, I have yet to see a problem syncing .WPL lists via HTC Sync. In fact, I even tested the modifications of playlists and had no problems. To elaborate, I made a new list, and sync'd. As expected, the list went to the phone just fine. Then, I opened the list in Windows Media Player, deleted a song from the list, as well as added new one. When I HTC Sync'd again, the playlist displayed the changes correctly; the new song was there, and the deleted one wasn't. Better yet, there were no dupes generated for that list, or any other lists! :)

You might want to try making a .WPL in Media Player, and HTC Sync'ng. I bet your new .WPL gets on the phone. If so, try sync'ng again. I wouldn't be surprised if you get dupes of the other lists, but not a dupe of the new list. If so, you would then know that everything now works right. What I did was delete the first listed dupe of each list and sync again. No problems since, and I've sync'd alot since then. If you still have problems, it might the combination of ICS with the new HTC Sync build I am running. Let me know if you want the new HTC Sync, and I'll get you the link and instructions to upgrade. FWIW, I think I actually downloaded the installation files and saved them, just in case. ;)
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
You're probably right but the problem is I don't like using HTC Sync and prefer to use Windows Media Player to sync. Because WMP doesn't copy over the actual playlists and those have to be copied manually that may be the issue but I can live with it as I have a regular routine now I go through to copy new music and playlists over. All I have to do is delete all my playlists on the phone first through the music player app then I'm good to go, no more clearing the media cache.
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
I don't know about the proper syntax but WMP will not copy over the actual playlists, you have to manually copy them into your music folder. I've also found that with using WMP I have to delete the playlists off the phone every time I sync new music and copy over the new playlist or else I will get duplicates. As has been stated in some of the previous posts HTC Sync appears to work properly at syncing music and playlists with the phone since the OTA though I personally don't like using it and can't verify it works.
[HTC Rezound] philipjacobs:
playlist syntax code

but wmp changes the way the folders are organized on the phone. so the playlists i have on the computer will not work correctly.

Would you be able to do me favor and show me exatly what your playlist snytax code looks like?? Just open it in notepad. But I need the one from the phone, not the pc.

THanks!
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
Going to attach a screen shot. OP also discusses his syntax in posts #41 and #42. WMP doesn't change the way the folders are organized on my phone. WMP puts everything in a Music folder on the external sdcard, I then put the playlists in a sub-directory called "Playlist" in the Music directory, same as they are on the pc.
[HTC Rezound] xv-6800:
As you saw from the image in the post above, the syntax on the PC is quite different from the syntax on the phone, once the phone gets a hold of it, as the phone changes it for its own internal use.

FWIW, I could never solve the same issue you are facing, nor could I ever get the process of manually copying playlists to work reliably, even in M3U format. As you are seeing, the phone simply "ate" the playlists more than it kept them. Sometimes it would make playlists out of them, then delete the M3U files themselves. Upon re-boot of the phone, the internal playlists would then disappear. At other times, when the M3U files were indeed retained, if I even touched them by opening them to make manual edits, or just to view them, they would then disappear.

Not to mention the headache of duplicate playlists when the manual copying did magically work.

If you are on ICS, I recommend you use HTC Sync to sync your WMP playlists. It has been flawless so far; no "eaten" playlists, and no duplicate playlists, either. Note that the playlists on my PC are .WPL and must be stored in the default Windows location, as there is no way to instruct HTC Sync as to where to look for playlists. Not sure if a change in the Windows Registry as to where playlists are stored would work, but changing that might work, as I can't see how else HTC would know exactly where to look; I just haven't tried it. I was just happy to get it to work, if you know what I mean. Also, if you do this, do not copy the songs themselves. HTC Sync will do that for you when you tell it to sync music. Also note that HTC Sync only does a one way sync - from the PC to the phone. For example, if you delete a playlist on the PC, it does not get deleted on the phone. Similarly, if you make a playlist on the phone, it does not get sync'd to the PC. But, now that I know what I know, I simply use WMP as my "control panel" for music on my phone, for lack of a better term, and I'm happy. Oh, and I am also using HTC Sync 3.3.6 which is an unreleased version obtained from HTC directly. Not sure if the "shipping version" works well, but I'm pretty sure it does, and that the fault really was due to Gingerbread being such an immature OS, because even with the unreleased version on GB, things didn't work, but once I got the over-the-air release of ICS, everything fell into place. And, I never went back to the shipping version of HTC Sync, because I was not about to try to fix something that was no longer broken! ;)
[HTC Rezound] cslingerland:
Clearly marked as a question in the title but definitely not in the Q&A section... hmmmm
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
Wow you just getting around to noticing that? Threads been here for 3 months. If you want it moved report it to the mods to move it and just a suggestion if you have nothing to add to the thread just report it and keep the troll comments to yourself. I also noticed you didn't bother to post this useful information in teh other 8 threads all starting with [Q] in teh general section today, better get to it thread nazi.
[HTC Rezound] cslingerland:
Will do Conrad. And I have noticed but there's about 9 or so of them and I just thought I'd say something on one and see what happens. Didn't know we were gonna be douches about it
[HTC Rezound] kzoodroid:
Okay troll

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Any way to share the HTC Sync copy you have? Maybe dropbox?