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[Nexus 7 General] Serial_Noob:
It's about choices. I have a little over 700 CDs - yes, CDs - and there's no way to listen to them all in a month, much less a short trip anywhere. But I don't know an hour in advance what I'm going to want to listen to, much less a day in advance. They're all ripped and will fit on an iPod classic, so I don't have to pick something to take with me and hope it's what I'm in the mood for.
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
Who watches videos with the screen off? Seems like a pointless statement.

Also, eInk devices don't usually have as many processes running in the background compared to a tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] razorseal:
Why do you guys think they decided to opt out of storage expansion? would this have really added that much extra cost to the device? I would have gladly paid 10-20 more bucks for external storage capability...
[Nexus 7 General] Serial_Noob:
I have one, and it's 500GB of storage. Works well enough, but it's too big to slip into a pants pocket. Kingston's WiDrive is lower capacity, but much smaller. You can keep it in your shirt or pants pocket and you've got up to 64GB accessible through WiFi from Android.
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
They did it with the Nexus phones as well. I remember reading how they did it on purpose because they didn't like the way Android interacted with external SD cards or something. I tried looking for the article, but couldn't remember where it was.
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
razorseal, I think google opted out of MHL/hdmi-out, microSD, and USB storage mounting not because of price but because a subsidized full-featured tablet would damage the market for every other device maker.

If the Nexus 7 could do everything but was $50-100 cheaper than anything Samsung, ASUS, or acer could produce, then why would they even try? They cannot sell at a loss like google or amazon can.

If google makes the Nexus 7 full-featured, then they basically assume all responsibility for the 7" market from here on out. And that is not at all google's modus operandi with android. The Nexus devices are supposed to spur innovation, not kill partners.

EDIT: Now it seems with the updated StickMount, the Nexus 7 is less crippled. This enhanced feature set will not make it to 95% of the Nexus 7 users, though, and using the USB port for storage mounting means there is absolutely no way to connect via a cable to a large screen even if MHL can be hacked. So, the crippling is dulled, but I am still waiting for a full-featured 7" Kai-based system that I can use to play videos/presentations on any screen/projector with HDMI. I just don't need an eReader to get me interested in android.
[Nexus 7 General] WinDroidGuy:
It was not a powered USB hub, just normal flash drive and OTG cable

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] elganso:
Just to be sure, so with Stickmount you can read any FAT32 formated USB drive directly? :)
[Nexus 7 General] WinDroidGuy:
That's correct :)

Sent from my DROID RAZR
[Nexus 7 General] WinDroidGuy:
Here is the story http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-expandable-storage-and-why-its-for-the-best/

Sent from my DROID RAZR
[Nexus 7 General] Salty Wagyu:
Was it this one? http://www.phonearena.com/news/Why-...SD-cards-and-whats-holding-them-back_id23986/
[Nexus 7 General] david279:
I hear stickmount can read/write ext3/ext4 too. That gets rid of that dumb 4 GB file limit.

Sent from my EVO 4G LTE
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
No. It was an interview with one of the members of the Android team.
[Nexus 7 General] adit9989:
exFAT support ?

Any way to add exFAT support ? I use SDXC cards in my camera (exFAT) and I would like to be able to load the photos, using the USB OTG adapter. Formating the card is not a solution as the camera expects a standard SDXC (which uses exFAT). Maybe a loadable driver or utility for this ? I don't even need write support only read.
[Nexus 7 General] biggiestuff:
Can't stickmount read NTFS?
[Nexus 7 General] david279:
I think I read that it's read only for ntfs. I believe a guy in this forum was doing testing so you may want to search here. Also exFAT support would be sweet as it's compatible with Macs and Windows pcs. Only Linux would be left out natively.

Sent from my EVO 4G LTE
[Nexus 7 General] ejkeebler:
Is thumb drive speed a concern for streaming video via usb-otg? i'm trying to decide if i need a 32gb thumb or a 64gb, if speed is that important, probably just stick with the 32....
[Nexus 7 General] janice1234:
did it work with a external harddrive?
[Nexus 7 General] bpye:
Fairly sure linux supports exFat, should be a case of just compiling the kernel with support.
[Nexus 7 General] adit9989:
No , Linux does not support exFAT natively as there are royalties involved.I know that there are drivers and many manufacturers add support as they pay for the licence. There are comercial solutions from Tuxera but again somebody has to pay for this, and Google has no reason to do so. Asus could add it as they licence it and pay a lump sum every year (not a per device royalty) but they chose not to do it.It's bad that an industry standard used in SDXC cards require licencing and is bad that Google chose not to pay for it (for sure it could afford to do it...) but this is it.I just hope that there is a free solution at least for read-only use.If not I hope there are "other ways" to do it.
[Nexus 7 General] RMXO:
for read only, there is NTFS & for RW there is EXT3/EXT4.
[Nexus 7 General] easycompany:
Woops! Sorry about that; guess I must be going blind! :silly:

Anyways, hope it's not too difficult for the Devs to add 3G usb connectivity.
[Nexus 7 General] bronx:
Sorry to hijack thread for a sec, but have anyone ever tried to plug in usb camera to it? Do You think it's gonna work?? (sorry if it's dumb question...)
[Nexus 7 General] adit9989:
My camera does not read or write NTFS and or EXT3/EXT4. But it reads and writes exFAT.
[Nexus 7 General] okantomi:
You can also look for the Motorola "Camera Connection Kit" which is just a UBS OTG adapter, but it is proven to work. Some of the adapters you can get on ebay are actually not OTG, and it will be frustrating to get one of those, believe me.
[Nexus 7 General] RMXO:
Are you recording video on it? If not, shouldn't it be able to R/W FAT32? But, I do get your issue though.
[Nexus 7 General] jubpi:
Hi

Hi Guys,

I'm been reading all this big thread from spain wishing thae solution to buy the tablet.

Also y have a couple of questions

, do you think something like this will work??I do not like having a wire hanging :p

h t t p: //w w w.ebay. es/ itm/USB-OTG-Connection-Kit-SD-Card-Reader-for-SAMSUNG-GALAXY-TAB-10-1-P7500-P7510-2-/180816611017#ht_3837wt_1218

and also is any maximum size for the SD card to be read?

Thanks a lot for all, you are helping people all over the world!!:good::good:
[Nexus 7 General] adit9989:
It reads FAT32 , but if you format an SDXC card in the camera it will default to the standard exFAT. I did not try to format the card in a PC with a third party program (as Windows will not let you do it) as FAT32, it may work for some cameras but other may not like it as the SDXC standard require exFAT. I would prefer to just use the cards as they come anyway. If not, well , this is not my last tablet.For $200 I still can find a use for it.Just that the use will be more limited then I would like. Well, this is life, in one year it will be obsolete anyway.

Toshiba has a 7.7" tablet which supports SDXC and has an AMOLED screen but it costs $600. But for $400 diference I can live without it. I was just hoping that somebody will find a solution.
[Nexus 7 General] Domino_13:
Since that is made for Galaxy Tabs, you wont be able to use it for the Nexus because they dont have the same connectors. If you can find something like that that has a micro-USB connector it might work.
[Nexus 7 General] ejkeebler:
that will only fit in samsung's proprietary port, not a micro usb
[Nexus 7 General] adit9989:
This will probably work:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/250970503933?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[Nexus 7 General] jubpi:
Ok thanks I dont see it!!

And must be the adaptor from micro-USB to USB OTG? As I know it is only neccesary 1 part been OTG, I mean if the tablet is OTG acts like master and the other part can be NO OTG. Am I right?

Im thinking using one like this:

h t tp: //w ww.pccomponentes.com/adaptador_usb_hembra_micro_usb_macho.html

PD: sorry about my english!:p:p
[Nexus 7 General] adit9989:
If camera is set as "mass storage" in the USB port camera settings ( some cameras will let you chose between Mass storage and MTP) and you use an SDHC card (FAT32) , not for SDXC cards (exFAT) and you installed StickMount probably it will work.For MTP mode I don't know, not sure Android supports it.
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
The Toshiba 7.7 16gb is $500, so a $250 difference for same storage size. My guess is the N7 will either force prices down, or force some OEMs out of the market. Not seeing how this device survives now at $500. Nope.

Though I despise the lack of micro sd on the N7, I love the competition and the force down of prices :)
[Nexus 7 General] DagsJT:
This is the one that Paul O'Brien linked to on his Twitter:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-HOST-...ssories_RL&hash=item33724a7ccb#ht_2516wt_1163
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/

This might have been it, but I don't remember exactly. But he does give some reasons why they don't have external storage on Nexus devices.
[Nexus 7 General] RED ZMAN:
Any word on this thing charging and supporting o t g at the same time using a y cable?
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Half of his answers seem like side stepping. How would he answer that each device loses 3gb due to formatting and OS needs, plus the remaining space is displaced by apps or media?

Too many large games now and Android are well aware of this. Fine if they want unified storage, but offer larger size options than a (as of now) crazy low 5 or 13gb.
[Nexus 7 General] WinDroidGuy:
Posted that same article a page back ;P

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] lazaro17:
Found this OTG cable on amazon with prime.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GGBYJ4/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
Whoops. Sorry.
[Nexus 7 General] bkmaracas:
Hello,

i lurked here moons ago when i got a 5" android tab that was crap, but things have moved on... great work with sorting out things such as usb storage.

just to say that i discovered this device that is a micro-usb/normal usb OTG 4gb flash drive and microSD adaptor (upto 16gb) in one... yep.

h t t p://w w w.mytrendyphone.co.uk/shop/noosy-smartphone-u-disk-73718p.html

noosy u-disk is on ebay but china is main source naturally.

youtube has a guy reviewing too, just search noosy u disk.

its neat looking, but for me defeats the object of spending less on the 8gb nexus as its £20+ not including microSD for a max 20gb -

however if you're vain about what you stick in your new tab or want to get one as a gift, might be handy and should work from what i've seen.

cheers

Ben
[Nexus 7 General] twobikes:
OTG Card Reader

Thanks it looks interesting, but here in New Zealand with have a retailer selling this.

h t t p://w w w.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MPPEGT1002&name=Eagletec-H10A-USB-OTG-and-card-reader-4in1-Connect

what I find potentially very interesting in this is not USB, Card reader, but I suspect it has a micro USB charge through connection that will re change the device and power say a external USB HD. Maybe not sure.
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
Fantastic! Thanks, for the info.
[Nexus 7 General] bizz2012:
This is great news. Makes the Nexus even more of a bargain!

Thanks to Chainfire and the other guys who have worked on this and kept us updated!
[Nexus 7 General] K1LLER HORNET:
So does the Nexus 7 definitely have USB-OTG support?

I presume it can provide adequate power via USB.

There are conflicting reports out there.
[Nexus 7 General] david279:
Yessss.....
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
Out of the box it will support the use of Keyboards and Mice with a USB OTG cable.

To get external storage to work you need to root your device and install the new StickMount.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Well this is awesome, storage situation = Solved.

The only thing left would be an app that mounts the USB drive without needing Root, but that is a minor inconvenience. Excellent work.:good:
[Nexus 7 General] WinDroidGuy:
If you're rooted, it didn't work out of the box. After I rooted it I was golden :)

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] Crowned-star:
Just a small question can you connect 2 usb devices ( a pendrive storage and mouse as an example) with the otg?
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Plug anything you want into a hub. Use a powered hub for high current devices.

Sort of gets away from the idea of a light, portable device though.
[Nexus 7 General] Crowned-star:
yeah but i planned on using the N7 for school works and i thought that using the otg i could use more than one usb device
[Nexus 7 General] sujal:
For all those cursing Google for not including more storage OR a sd card slot, and read this.

Is Google selling the Nexus tablet at a loss?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/09/nexus-7-component-costs/?icid=eng_latest_art
[Nexus 7 General] RED ZMAN:
Did someone try charging while hooked up to a thumb drive via a y cable?
[Nexus 7 General] Cl8rs:
I'm confused, so in order to plug in a flash drive you need root and Stickmout.

But do you need root for a USB mouse or keyboard?
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Keyboard and mouse should just work. No root required.
[Nexus 7 General] K1LLER HORNET:
Well Google could have added the price to implement an SD card slot to the Rep. I'm sure it would be a few £/$/€ for them.

Its more likely that they want to push their cloud services on people.

Glad to hear that USN-OTG works once rooted :)
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Guys, what am I missing? Where is the link that simply rooting and getting a cable works? The tests I saw did not show it this easy and there was a permission issue as well.

Any link is appreciated. Thanks :)
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Expand your question. What do you want to use USB for? Memory requires root and the app "stickmount".
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28489034&postcount=233

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28491529&postcount=235

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28493079&postcount=236
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Playback of movies and game roms from a 64gb thumb drive.
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Any info yet on the biggest flash size that can be played back and powered by the N7?
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Playback of movies will be fine. Game roms - like Atari games in an emulator? No idea...
[Nexus 7 General] mike216:
You just made me feel much better. I ordered one today 8G model and after watching a YouTube review I tried to cancel my order and get the 16g model. Wasn't able to cancel because it was in process of being shipped. So this is great news. Thanks bud!

sent from my precious nexus
[Nexus 7 General] neok44:
i wish i could give you the link but i've seen someone post here saying that they got a 1TB hard drive to work (2.5")

flash memory should work no matter how big since it does not use as much power.
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
StickMount dev doesn't think it would work: https://twitter.com/ChainfireXDA/status/222308490302078976
[Nexus 7 General] danielchow:
I guess Google may want people use the play store more.
[Nexus 7 General] digital_pro:
Nexus 7 USB / OTG "hands-on" results

I have a Nexus 7 (Google I/O version) and have been experimenting with OTG, so figured I should share my results so far:

* All solutions I've found require Root + an app (I'm using Stickmount)

* I have tried flash drives and card readers from 1GB to 32GB. All of them operated similarly (see below)

* ES File Explorer never saw the files on the drives (don't know why)

* Root File Explorer would see the files the first time a card was mounted after a boot. If I changed drives/cards, I needed to reboot. Unmount/remount didn't help (maybe that can be fixed with an app or some other update)

* The biggest problem is no music or video player or photo viewer wanted to operate directly on the files on the card/drive. No clue why, and I hope either there is a setting that can be fixed or an app that can be updated, but for now I need to copy files I want to use to the internal memory before launching.

* All the devices I tried were low power (cards, readers). Haven't tried a drive, but assume it would need external power.

Hope that's useful!
[Nexus 7 General] maped:
...try Vplayer ;)

Inviato dal mio Nexus S con Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 7 General] THS1989:
Will it power a 250GB Western Digital "my passport" external harddrive ??

It's one of those tiny slim 1.8" single usb drives.
[Nexus 7 General] NZtechfreak:
Possibly, my Prime and Galaxy S3 can power up to 500GB drives (but they're a bit picky about it, presumably power requirements is the reason).

Get my Nexus 7 tomorrow, will let you know.
[Nexus 7 General] mtheuma:
Has anyone had any success viewing images on external storage - without copying them over?

If possible, I'd love to know whether something like QuickPic works in 'explorer' view.

Thanks.
[Nexus 7 General] zhumingvictor:
All you need is a US ip address to active it.
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
DroidVPN will give you a US IP address on a rooted device and up to 100MB per day. It would seem to work great for the B&N nook app and getting books. Movies and music streaming would eat the 100MB quickly, but you can purchase more bandwidth.
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
I am now worried about the finicky nature of the USB support. We need a thread for reviews on devices that are confirmed working after root and the app stickmount is installed.

I will be making a thread in the Accessories section, maybe we can save some people the headache of buying a large USB drive that won't work.
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
I'm down to assist in the testing of different devices/accessories.
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
Just started a thread for reviews only in the accessory section, please read the entire OP as we want it uncluttered so MODS don't mistake it for this thread and shut it down.

There is a form in the OP to use.

Thank you everyone.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
I hear you there. I read thoroughly through the entire thread and I'm still a little unsure of everything, because it seems like some people say yes, others say no, etc.

On a different note, I was a little bummed when I first got into this thread, since it sounded like there was no hope. I was mostly interested in expandable storage for a few trips I'm taking coming up, as it'd be super nice to have an external hard drive available so I can swap data around. Even if I have to copy it to the local device to play, that's fine, as I would likely favor that anyway so I didn't have any additional devices utilziing the battery's charge (despite how minimal it may be). Knowing that with the device being rooted (simple enough) and using stickmount (also simple enough) that I can work around this issue to fill the rare voids I'll need extra space is a huge welcome.

Side note: For those of you who like the idea of the cloud, but not the idea of your data being on somebody else's server, if you happen to have a Linux server running you can fire up OwnCloud on it. I have a Linux server at home I use for tons of uses (Samba, FTP, File, Print, Backup, Video Surveillance, and now OwnCloud, etc), so it made sense to just run with it. I'm now running my own personal 250GB cloud, limited to 250GB only because that's how much HDD space I have free in the server. ;)

I'm anxiously awaiting my Nexus 7, and I'm on the verge of ordering a OTG USB cable too. I'll certainly post my results when I can.
[Nexus 7 General] Mattycee:
I am hoping to hear of my Nexus 7 being shipped in the next few days. I have a USB/OTG cable already waiting and am liking the strides made already for using external storage!
[Nexus 7 General] NZtechfreak:
Got my Nexus 7 today.

Tried so far with USB OTG: drives, not working as expected (Rooting once I get home from work and will test with Stickmount), keyboard/mouse combo working, PS3 controller working, wired xbox controller working, E7 and E17 USB DACs NOT working.
[Nexus 7 General] mike216:
How do you get a ps3 controller to work and did Google tell you your device shipped or was it a surprise? Thanks

sent from my precious nexus
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
I think if you connect the PS3 controller via the USB cable it'll act like a wired controller.
[Nexus 7 General] mike216:
Wow I'm going to try now on my Galaxy Nexus.

Come on Google damnit we need our nexus :D

sent from my precious nexus
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Thanks for taking the time to post your findings! We users still longing for our Nexus 7 to arrive appreciate it!

Likewise I'm curious if you had any sort of notification it was on its way?
[Nexus 7 General] mike216:
sent from my precious nexus
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
Please post your storage results in the thread I started in the accessories section
[Nexus 7 General] Nattawat:
The experience is not seemless, but I want to confirm that at least it WORKS.

I'm using 2.5" Western Digital Element, 1TB size, trying on movies ranging from 4.37GB to 7.95GB.

I used VPlayer to open the file. It got force closed sometimes, other times it just couldn't load the movie. I do have to fresh restart the device to get it to work. I could not see any video when I chose HW encoder, which is weird but probably the VPlayer issue only. The video isn't buttery smooth -- well sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I can even open 1080p movies, but it is stuttering to the point that I don't even bother. I still believed VPlayer isn't the best player to play MKV files yet. DicePlayer was the best player to play MKV files on my Xoom/Galaxy Nexus, but for some reason it does not support Nexus 7 yet. The only issues now are the softwares.
[Nexus 7 General] ejkeebler:
what about VLC?