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[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I think I might be able to live with the new split action bar but the lack of landscape just blows. And honestly I like the honeycomb layout better overall with the app drawer button on the top right, and subtle search bar on the left. Hopefully apex and nova will support the original tablet layout on jelly bean
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Oh well hopefully Apex, Nova or Trebechet will support honeycomb display mode on jelly bean. I guess it's nothing new, google launchers are always terrible.
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
But it's only the launcher that doesn't rotate.
[Nexus 7 General] Smurphjw:
I'm with you on using a different launcher. But they don't control the notifications. I have a honeycomb dell streak 7 and landscape works just fine.

Sent from behind you.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah you'll have 2 bars regardless but well I will admit one thing and that's that the idea behind honeycomb was ease of reach in landscape mode on a large tablet. However on my flyer nearly everything is in reach anyway, as the thing had gingerbread on it originally and reaching the notification bar in landscape was pretty easy. So I'm sure that was part of googles thinking, and the lack of landscape is probably to kill off the transition margins as honestly portrait is kinda meh on honeycomb and ics tabs. But the real issue is it seems lazy to me. It's like "oh crap we forgot the UI what do we do? Screw it grab your gnex and well throw that on there and make the launcher grid bigger".

If they wanted to make portrait the default mode, look no further than the gingerbread Rom on the tab I'm using now. Portrait is the default grid and in portrait it looks like a gigantic HTC phone, landscape they take the same grid and shrink it and center it to the middle of the screen and in the transition spaces they have previews of your other home screens to the left and right, and as you spin it you fan see its a big carasel in landscape. Also a whole black bar on the bottom is just retarded for 3 buttons. I think instead the 7 inch tablet UI should have just the buttons in the middle of the screen where you can't accidentally bump them with no bar and they auto hide when not needed like playing video or games
[Nexus 7 General] :
Jelly Bean appears to have three different launchers.

First, there is the default phone launcher like what you will find on the Galaxy Nexus once it receives the 4.1 update. Although, all the launchers on 4.1 appear to look almost identical to 4.0 launchers minus notifications and some other tweaks.

Secondly, there is a launcher for smaller 7" tabs which look identical to phone launchers but still run tablet-oriented apps.

Finally, there is a full tablet UI designed for 10" tabs.

Personally, I like the fact that the Nexus 7 uses a phone launcher, as being 7" it is more designed for portrait use than landscape anyway.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
But why not put landscape on there? I find it funny that adw and launcher pro have known how to do landscape for years and google is still clueless.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
oh god the stock launcher doesn't rotate, I haven't run the stock launcher in years why is this such a hard pill to swallow. The one thing I'd be complaining about is when in landscape the buttons are centered. thats a annoying
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah it'll be all good. And honestly I'm not sure having the buttons in the middle is that big of a deal as really everything is pretty easy to reach on a 7 inch tab in landscape. And on honeycomb those buttons are easy to bump when your playing a game or typing so that won't be an issue anymore
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
I'm pretty sure that they are all the same launcher app. And even if they are separate, the second one in that list doesn't make sense. The launcher doesn't determine whether you can run tablet apps.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah they'll be the same. Its just like Apex and Nova, run them on an ics tablet and you got a honeycomb looking layout, run the same app on a phone and you got a galaxy nexus looking layout. Speaking of which I'll probably run Apex, which even if it doesn't switch to the honeycomb layout, it'll give me the landscape orientation I desire :D

After watching a full video review, I no longer care much about the UI. The tablet is epic, and Google has just set the new standard for budget tablets.
[Nexus 7 General] clubtech:
I just changed the density of the Nexus 7 to 160 after i rooted and i get full tablet mode of JB.

The launcher also now rotates between landscape and portrait. The entire UI is in tablet mode right now.

All you need to do is root it.

No bugs when doing this so far.
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
I'm confused, do you mean that it rotates in hybrid UI mode, or did you mean that is rotates in tablet UI?
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
seeing as how I probably won't keep it stock, great news
[Nexus 7 General] Smurphjw:
I'm not so worried about getting it the way I like it. My question is why won't google address the change?

Sent from behind you.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah that is the part that's baffleing me
[Nexus 7 General] roltzje:
Hopefully when we start receiving ways, people will post a tutorial on how to change it to Tablet layout mode. I strongly prefer this because I have a 4.7" One X and I would much rather have a tablet than an extra large phone. I don't like the uncomfortable amounts of space on the sides of the back/home/switcher buttons, and it would be nice to have the time and notifications at the bottom.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
Is it possible to show a video? I think that sounds awesome, would be great to see it in action
[Nexus 7 General] joooooeeeee:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/3126644/matias-duarte-on-android-4-1-jelly-bean-and-the-nexus-7

14:10 In they talk about framing and mattias puts the phone in landscape mode. Looks like the phone ui still even in landscape.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Honestly it isn't a bad UI and I can to some extent understand the home screen. On honeycomb and ics, landscape was the priority so when you flipped to portrait you got an ugly beast of a homescreen. And honeycomb was definitely designed with 10 inch tablets in mind because everything is designed so you can reach it with your left and right thumbs however you can reach everything with your thumbs on a 7 inch anyway, and sometimes those virtual buttons get in the way like when your playing a game. I think it was high time for the 7 inch size to get its own unique tablet UI, just wish they were a bit more creative. Instead of having a whole black bar for navigation buttons how about just having the buttons where they are at with no bar? Like on the homescreen for example you see your wallpaper behind them. Or on a web browser they sit on top of your web page and hide while your stopped, appear while your scrolling. Also on the homescreen maybe making portrait was the priority but kill the dock, and the gigantic search bar and out the app drawer and search icons where they were in ics. And add landscape to the launcher and just keep the grid the same and center it in the middle of the screen and rotate the homescreens on a carousel like the flyer is on gingerbread, showing previews of your homescreens on the left and right. Otherwise everything else should work. And if they did that button idea I suggest they would be less intrusive.

Really the problem isnt so much that they changed the UI, its more or less the issue that its too phone like, and they haven't even mentioned it or given a reason as to why the need for a change. That being said when you see the tab running in its full glory you really don't even care, because the fast snappy animations and beautiful graphics look so good anyway
[Nexus 7 General] andyln3:
I honestly like this move by the Android team.

There's now more continuity between phone and tablet UI's. Rather than "Joe Six Pack" having to pick up a tablet and have to learn a different UI... even though it's not that different.

Definitely this move was aimed at getting the tablet to more mainstream (i.e. non XDA geek) users.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah that's always something to consider. The mainstream is what matters more than geek appeal. And besides another launcher is all it takes to fix landscape anyway
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
I'm pretty sure it already landscape on JB's 7" UI.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
It is on everything except the launcher itsself
[Nexus 7 General] guags99:
Thank God changing the density to 160 fixes this. I had plenty of faith that eventually a fix would come out, but to know I can fix this the minute I get it makes me breath easier. The N7 will be my 4th 7" tab and while I know some of you think portrait is better I can tell you I'm not in that camp. I NEVER use my 7" tabs in Portrait unless some crappy app forces me.

Thanks for posting the quick fix guys. Now to actually get this thing in my hands!
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
I hope Google sorts this out before the preorders ship. Then they could OTA that update for the IO N7 owners.
[Nexus 7 General] Locklear308:
What? The UI in Honeycomb was utter ****, this is MUCH better to me. I love the status bar at the top for a 7 inch tab
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
Then explain how it made Android tablets popular.
[Nexus 7 General] andyln3:
Popular? Last time I checked they were having problems with tablet market share. Again, this just goes with what Google said at the keynote. They don't want a disconnected experience with a bunch of different interfaces.
[Nexus 7 General] Locklear308:
I have worked at Officemax for over a year now, and since the Honeycomb tablets first game out, people bought them. Why? It was hip and new. People who came in for them, like the Xoom at the time. Didn't even know what they were. They just thought it was all "Ipad". Doesn't matter to them, they bought it. They loved em.

When in reality, they were just ****ing terrible. Extremely slow, laggy, the layout just made no sense.

I have had a galaxy s2 for a good bit of time now. It has ALWAYS been much faster than any of the last gen tablets.

Jellybean is pushing it in the right direction. Speed Speed Speed. And a better UI. Why would you want the status bar on the bottom? :/

In the Western world, for the most part. We read things, say a letterhead, from left to right. Top to bottom. Your name and day, the date and other info. Goes at the top. Thus, the status bar makes MUCH more sense being at the top! :D
[Nexus 7 General] guags99:
My, aren't we diplomatic. How is a status bar at the top better? On a phone you can reach the top without prepositioning your to slide it down. On a tablet...even a 7 inch....you have to let go of the tab to pull it down.

I think portrait on a tablet is useless. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours...regardless of how wrong you are. :D
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Dude your nuts. The honeycomb UI rocks, the reason android tablets didn't sell was price but as soon as I saw the xoom I wanted one. It gives the tablet more of a desktop look. Only real issue with it is the action bar always stays on the screen which could be fixed if Google wanted it fixed.

I'm sorry but your tablet shouldn't look like a big phone. Its why the iPads are so unappealing to me
[Nexus 7 General] Locklear308:
Why can we not just have both? Add a button to move it from top to bottom.

---------- Post added at 11:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 PM ----------

Yes it looked cool, but after using a Eee Pad for several months, I sold it. Honeycomb was just unacceptably slow, buggy, laggy. Gingerbread will forever stay in my heart as my favorite. It just feels right.
[Nexus 7 General] Ace42:
What happened to the UI that ICS use to use for tablets? I hope it switches when you put the device into landscape mode.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
honeycomb itself does kinda suck but ics has the same tablet ui and it rocks on it
[Nexus 7 General] biggiestuff:
Devs will fix this right up along with the usb host and mhl issues. I have faith. Crosses fingers.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I agree that we should be able to just have both. a simple display setting for changing the 2 would be the best solution
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
So for anyone else with a previous 7 inch tablet did you notice that Google raped the Youtube app the day they announced the nexus 7? It's literally a big phone app now! The youtube app is just terrible on a tablet now, its like having gingerbread on your tablet, you watch something in landscape and then it flips to portrait with the 3 tabs. Luckily I had the previous version on my pc in a custom rom.

What was so wrong with the Youtube app? Why would you want to keep flipping your 7 inch tablet everytime you watch a video? Google sometimes outthinks themselves I swear
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
For all of you saying that Honeycomb sucks, you haven't used ICS yet. The UI is perfectly fine in both, but better in ICS.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I agree with that. honeycomb was like a beta version of ics. yeah it is laggy, and support is half assed. Even google doesnt support it well(where is chrome) and go launcher HD is the only true alternative honeycomb launcher. but ics keeps that ui and fixes all the issues with it. I briefly played with our new AOKP beta we have on the flyer and was impressed with the improvements.
[Nexus 7 General] cmstlist:
In regards to whether Android tablets have become popular...

Let's set aside the Nook Color/Tablet and Kindle Fire for the moment, because they don't actually take advantage of anything Android offers specifically for tablets.

We all know Apple has a massive market share, but I think a good measure of success is how well the company managed to sell the units they shipped. Motorola shipped way too many Xooms that they didn't sell. Samsung flooded the market with overpriced Tabs and many of them are still waiting in piles to get discounted.

But you know who got it right? Asus. They very quickly learned their lesson from a failed phone venture with Garmin, which left us with very low expectations. But they entered the tablet market with a bang, to great surprise. The Transformer launched at the right price, and demand was so high that for weeks they couldn't supply enough. And the same thing happened with the Transformer Prime. They've been praised for quality hardware, responsiveness to hardware and software issues, timely OS updates, and good value.

Did Android tablets become popular? In a relative sense, not quite yet, but nonethless vendors are being handily rewarded for doing it right.

So it's no wonder Google chose Asus for the Nexus 7. They got it right the first time, and Google wants to as well.
[Nexus 7 General] UndisputedGuy:
You ever owned an ASUS product after the TF101? Some bad quality control issues. Go into the transformer Prime forum and it's full of negativity!
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Asus makes top notch motherboards, and AsRock, their budget brand, makes awesome boards too, so I'd trust anything by them
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
And it seems that they did a very good job on the N7.
[Nexus 7 General] funmerlin:
I'm holding off on any opinion until I see it in action.

My first android device was a Nook Color (another 7"er), eventually running CM7. When I got a TF101, honeycomb was obviously a major improvement.

When picked up a Galaxy Nexus, I thought the Paranoid Android ROM that put it into tablet mode was a great idea. I give that dev team major props for their work.

However, I found tablet mode on my phone...mostly unusable. Having a quick pulldown for alerts is key with a portable device. And it was all just too small for my poor eyes to handle. Rather than focus on having more info on the screen, I'd rather have it simple to use on the go.

So I don't really know what to expect with the N7. It may be annoying not having everything along the bottom. But the new alert system in JB is just awesome. I've had JellyBean on the Galaxy Nexus for a few days, and the amount of info it gives you is great. I really don't see how they'd fit that into the tablet UI on a 7" screen. So maybe they made the right decision.

Good thing it's a nexus device, and we're free to try whatever ROM/mod/hack we want until we get it how we like it ;-)
[Nexus 7 General] _MetalHead_:
Probably a good idea for all of us. I know I was instantly disappointed when I saw the UI but who knows, it might actually be a good thing. All I know is that regardless of the UI, I am going to love this thing.
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
leave Prime out of this as mines work great ;) plus we both know the flipside to negativity in prime forum.

Im sure the Nexus 7 will do well out the gate. My first asus product was the prime and i was satisfied. as mines worked fine. So in being my first experience was good, ill try Asus out again on this one. As i just preordered my Nexus 7 a few minutes ago. looking forward to its arrival.
[Nexus 7 General] mejobloggs:
If the N7 actually had phone capabilities I'd buy it in an instant.

I just want mobile data and texting. I got so excited about N7 until I realized you can't put a sim in :(
[Nexus 7 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Gesture Control gives you the ability to remove the action bar at anytime from Honeycomb with a 3 finger swype up and then another swype to bring it back. A must needed app if you are running HC on your tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] lawguy:
I own a 7" HTC Flyer and a 7" Acer Iconia A100 so I have been using 7" Android tablets for a long while now.

I can offer this bit of advice from my experience: Whether I use the tablet in portrait or landscape depends on the task. Landscape gives you more horizontal screen real estate so web browsing is usually better in landscape. Reading books on the other hand is better in landscape because e-readers are formatted for it and it is more natural. I probably use landscape more than portrait becasue of my usage habits.

Now: the issue of is the Nexus 7 just a big phone UI?

The Flyer was originally released with Gingerbread and Honeycomb was released later. So, I have used both. The truth is that you can make a pretty good argument for either. I like Gingerbread notifications better than "Tablet" Notifications. For me, tablet notifications always seemed like an afterthought and were stuck into a place where they didn't seem to belong. Notifications are important to me, so I like that the Phone UI makes them much more prominent.

The big downside of the Phone UI was that you get phone apps and this stinks. Also, the Phone UI on a tablet was always kind of bolted on and did not feel right.

It seems like Google has put some thought into how a 7" tablet should work. I can't say that they got it wrong. I am not sure that I would keep the dock. Hopefully you can get rid of it easily enough.

To the people complaining about the virtual buttons: Yes, there has to be a better way that does not involve the loss of screen real estate, especially on a 7" screen where the loss matters. Movies especially should use every pixel that is available. The truth is that it this does not bother me in practice. I have a 7" Blackberry Playbook as well. It does not use bars. It is purely gesture based. All the pixels are used. When you compare the Playbook to an Android 7" tablet, you can see the difference, but it is not huge.
[Nexus 7 General] sparksco:
I think what you meant to say is about book is it's better in portrait and not landscape?

About the UI being for a big phone sorry but no. The UI of android 4.1 was created and intended for both phones and tablets, not just one or the other. People really need to educate themselfs on this

This isn't a phone so phone apps and things like that will not be on our tablets lol.

I'm curious about the loss of screen with the virtual buttons as well, but I can't really know until I get the device in hand. Still on pre-order. I hate to say but google plans on making most all future devices with onscreen buttons.
[Nexus 7 General] Brac20:
I am pretty sure the buttons disappear when they need to so that you have more screen. My gf has a Galaxy Nexus and the buttons go when you view a youtube video. I assume this is something the app developers can do.
[Nexus 7 General] oldblue910:
Oh for the love of Christ. Way to completely neuter your point by showing your lack of education! ;)
[Nexus 7 General] sparksco:
Yeah it didn't seem like that much of a issue for me and probably prevents more hardware failures with the hardware buttons going out over time.
[Nexus 7 General] sparksco:
Oh you caught that did you... I was hoping someone would lol
[Nexus 7 General] lawguy:
They don't disappear. They fade. The black bar area is always there so there is a loss of screen real estate.
[Nexus 7 General] Brac20:
The bar does go if the video requires the space. I got my gf to check for me.
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
I'm sure that 720p video will fit fine with the soft keys. After all, it's not like the Nexus 7 uses a 720p screen! ;)
[Nexus 7 General] _MetalHead_:
I could care less if they disappear during a youtube video. What kills me is that they don't disappear during a GAME. How stupid is that??? I have no clue why Google thought it was a good idea to have that stupid bar on screen at all times.
[Nexus 7 General] Brac20:
I expect is up to the developer of the app to decide if they want this to happen. The YouTube app shows that it is possible so it is up to developers to implement it in their apps.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
yeah I don't get why google can't figure out that they could easily just add bar control to the lock button. Tap once to bring up the bar, twice twice to lock. And you tube videos could be controlled by simply tapping the screen.
[Nexus 7 General] _MetalHead_:
Do you know if there is a mod that does this? I know there are ones that use gestures to hide/unhide it but this seems like the best way to implement it. I wonder how hard it would be for a dev to do this.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
You forget that Apple has all taps and combinations of taps patented.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Not that I'm aware of. and yeah wouldn't surprise me if apple had a patent on this sort of thing but I doubt it as ios devices don't have an action bar with virtual buttons
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
I know that AOKP has an option to toggle the navigation buttons through the power menu. This obviously isn't on Jelly Bean yet, but you ICS guys probably have it on your tablets.
[Nexus 7 General] GiorgosCyprus:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1749501
[Nexus 7 General] nerfman100:
We're well aware that this exists, but thanks anyway! :good:
[Android Themes] android_isda_shit:
see these are the pics of my sgs3 theme

http://postimage.org/image/xgcr1zgct/

http://postimage.org/image/unjjhyg0d/

http://postimage.org/image/jp89zrrf1/

as you can see somtimes the writing is white, and somtimes its black,

how can i change the black writing to white like the other, please

held:, i will give thanks :angel:​
[Android Themes] Jumba:
Dude, there are sticky threads for general theming questions

All these new threads for one question are cluttering the place up. ;)
[Android Themes] android_isda_shit:
BUMP
[TouchPad General] skillazis:
anyone got it to work ? what Rom are you using ? and how did you get it to work... ive been trying for hours and its not working out... i think i need to use a new rom...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Alkali:
Dear friends,

for an unknown reason I cannot access my " Settings" whatever you call it from the below right hand corner of the screen as it used to be, it's no longer there. The only other option of getting the phone settings is from on top of the screen which I do not like. Thanks for your help.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] El Daddy:
In ICS Android no longer has the menu button. Instead, apps now use the action bar. Any overflow from said bar now displays as 3 dots, which include actions such as settings.

Apps that haven't been updated to the new API's will display the 3 dots next to the multi-task button.

However, some custom roms allow you to persistently add the menu button to the navigation bar.

So, the short answer to your question would be to flash a custom rom.