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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
I woke up this morning to find out about jelly bean, my initial reaction was something like:

"WTF dude? This won't help fragmentation issues! Some of us don't even have ICS yet!"

Then as time progressed I realised ICS has been out quite a while and its manufacturers that take too long in updating, although Sony is one of the speediest.

JB should be cool, but we barely sniffed ICS...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
Just to clarify some things:

1. JellyBean won't be a MAJOR update over ICS, so don't get too excited like from GB to ICS.

2. Android, nor JellyBean nor future versions, will ever be as fast or faster than iOS. The sluggishness is deep inside of the code.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
There's a good reason why Android will never be as smooth as iOS:

Apple make the iPhone, and iOS, so they optimize it for the iPhone.

Android isn't optimized specially for any device, as android devices carry significantly different hardware :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
You....

Before this you had something with ics. And now with jb?

Its just 2 days out. How do you expect that sony releases it?

Get your brains straight.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shmoejoe:
*shrugs* if he didn't complain, he wouldn't have anything to post about. He hates the device, but keeps it, and now that it has ICS, he has to complain about getting JB. After we get JB he will certainly complain about that as well.

Some people can never be pleased, I just ignore his posts.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] wing_zero8556:
Yeah i know, jealous! getting all those freebies, my friends running JB on his GN now, says its better than ICS
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
Its my personal opinion that JB shouldn't exist yet and should have still been ICS in the form of a 4.0.5 update
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
What does the version number change? It's still a large update. They can call it 2.3.8 if they want, but that won't get it out any faster.

The ' sluggishness ' was inside the graphics stack. I can't say for sure, but much of it was rewritten for Project Butter, and it looks like your assumption isn't fully correct any more.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
What I meant is they should have made an incremental update, instead of a new android version.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Then let me clear this up for you: ALL android updates are incremental. The only difference is the amount of changes going into each one.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arc_u:
And *****ing can start again.....
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
Really? Didn't know this.. so that could be a major jump for Android to get in line with iOS in terms of smoothness and performance if the manufacturers dont mess too much though.. like HTC with their Sense interface ..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
You don't have to clear anything up for me, sorry, I didn't word my last post correctly.

I know what you mean. But now since Google made it a new version of android, manufacturers are free to dump us on ICS and say we have already had our update. Which makes fragmentation worse.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Sure they will. Always the same...

Those people...

*picks up shotgun*

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
Can people stop with the flaming now?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
Cooked rom JB for GN

http://www.tinhte.vn/threads/1349571/

(user can use Google translate)

When we have XPS JB?

Our new hope!

Waiting for our developers! (not Sony)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
Wait for source :)

System and SDK dumps are usually very bad.

And for now, enjoy ICS :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
HTC One X already have a almost fully working JB ROM ( WiFi, radio and camera still doesn't work). What stop us from doing that? Devs, kernel sources?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It well could looking at the demos and the emulator stack.

It's 4.1, all 4.0 devices should get it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
You said radio doesn't work, as in modem?

I wouldn't want to use a device you couldn't phone someone with.

Kernel sources is the big thing stopping us. We couldn't get ICS from source decently working with GB kernel source, so imagine trying to port JB.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
Fair enough then, I rest my case :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I don't know about radio, but I THINK it's FM Radio. Saw the news at GSM Arena.

And I see, thanks. And any possible reason to Sony not releasing kernel sources?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
They probably are just cleaning the source up. Also, legal issues.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shmoejoe:
Calm down :-)

My post wasnt a flame, and I'm sorry if it came off as that. It was more a general comment directed to the people who make posts like the one Efe quoted.

Flames are more personal negative attacks, which my post shouldn't be taken personal or as an attack :-P.

Now, back on topic. I don't care when we get jb, im happy with ics (which we JUST got, for those who quickly forget), and if our updates go further than jb, great, if not, that's also okay.

If jb brings extra speed I welcome it, but to be honest nothing is wrong with ICS (mine anyways).....the only thing that can make it better is when CM9 comes out, but yea, im a patient person.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dcamposjr:
Link for JellyBean Stock OTA file

Google just released the stock file used to update the Galaxy Nexus (Google Phone). The file can be download in the below link. I was checking and I see that this file contains update for Radio + BootLoader + Rom.

This is not for SonyXperia S, is just a reference for us to start discussing update for SonyXperia based in Samsung ROM.

Link to donwload

http://android.clients.google.com/p....signed-takju-JRN84D-from-IMM30D.5a07884d.zip

Link from XDA forum

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1737618
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] LilChinchster:
Funny how I still don't have ics and the next iteration of android is already here
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Maximus999:
Why not? It's been out for X-S for a while now. It's not that difficult to flash.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
it's probably the GSM radio not the FM radio...

if it says "radio" it's in 99,9% the GSM antenna.

Also sony will release the kernel source... just when is the question:silly:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Sorry guys, but I read wrong :P

It's not the radio that has problems (acording to GSM Arena), it's the audio. Again, sorry.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mister-g1:
I don't think that jelly Bean is so much more fluid than ICS now is on the XS.. If you go to Settings -> Developmer options and turn on "Force GPU rendering", everything is just as smooth as it should be.. I'm totally satisfied with ICS atm
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] GR0S:
Sources: http://developer.sonymobile.com/wportal/devworld/search-downloads/opensource/android

XPERIA S sources http://developer.sonymobile.com/wportal/devworld/downloads/download/60a376tarbz2. ICS still unreleased
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
U serious with this?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wportal/devworld/search-downloads/opensource/android

zie jij ergens .452 staan dan??

:D

there's no ICS source yet...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] s-X-s:
I seen in sony forum somebody said... they promised in 18 months.... so we may get it officially after when Key LIme Pie is here....
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Don't trust random people on Sony forums. 18 months for a minor update is just nonsensical.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mrsatan:
Am I confused? Is the .479 build not ICS?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It's 4.1, therefore it's for 2011 devices.

What we need is 6.1.anything.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Are you saying that 2011 devices will have JB too? If yes, Sony, you rock. Can't wait for the JB for us.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
That's ICS kernel source, but yeah, the word is at least Arc is getting JB too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kobolt99:
The xperia S should've come with ICS already from the box, and JB is not like a big change. I think we'll have it (I hope) soon.

The x10 was originally with 1.6 then 2.1 and later 2.3.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sessel:
For me Jelly Bean come to Xperia S the 11 october 2012. Lol. :rolleyes:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dcamposjr:
Checking in some Sony Forum I read that Sony primisse to update mobile phones for 18 months after starting sales of the product. That means that products that sony released on the market in the last 18 months will receive update to Jelly Bean.

I will try once again to find that post from Sony to send you the link.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] electrash:
I think that 2011 line up is to weak to work under JB.

ICS was big deal to make it work right, jb even more required some horsepower, even xperia u wont get JB as i read on some forum.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
Jelly Bean did not increase system requirements. If anything it reduced them as Triple Buffering and VSync can help speed up the UI on all devices, low-end and high-end.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dcamposjr:
Any developer here can help us to get hands on into Stock Jelly Bean ROM and make the availability of Jelly Bean fastest?

We can create a group and donate for those who wants to help us having Jelly Bean before Sony release the version.

Please developers join us!

Anyone?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
How many companies updated almost 100% of their product range for a whole year? Yes, just one - Sony (Ericsson).

They've stated they'll abide by Google's own recommendation of supporting a device for at least 18 months, so I'd say that I could 100% guarantee (but let's say 99.99%!) that Sony will offer an upgrade to 4.1 on the Xperia S.

Who knows, they might even do it on most or all of the 2011 models too as they're still within that 18 month period, but I think Google came up with this guideline at I/O 2011 - thus, some models were before Sony technically agreed to do it. Still, if they did the arc S then it would seem unlikely that they'd not do the original arc too - and then you might as well do the Neo.

Anyway, nobody needs to fear too much. I bet anyone with a Motorola still waiting for ICS on devices released last year, let alone this year, won't be holding out too much hope. Motorola's policy has always been one OS update beyond what the device ships with. So, once most users get ICS then that is it. Many will have topped out at Gingerbread - although the one exception I can think of is the Atrix, but that is due to get ICS in Q3/4!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] yuunanase:
Sure, judging by past experience, Sony will soon make a statement whining that they have difficulty porting jb, but will have another statement saying that they will update all their devices a few days before their next announcement, I.e. Hayabusa or Mint.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I don't think so. If we're pretty lucky, we might even see Oficial Key Lime Pie (4.2 or 5.0) for our Xperia S.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Jonfensu:
I know that this is a Xperia S thread, But K900... Are you sure that the Arc S (and other X2011 phones) will get JB? Because .479 is for Neo L.....
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Oh, and K900, since you have inside info, do you know if Sony already stated working on JB? And, if possible, when the update is expected?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] liquified:
But isn't it the manufacturer's job to optimize Android OS for their phones? That is what stock roms are for?

Sent from my LT15i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] electrash:
Yea i saw it with my satio and vivaz, they cancel support anfter 3 months.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
JB decreased hardware requirements, not increased them. The new graphics stack is considerably faster on old hardware.

We need ICS kernel sources, then an ICS device tree, then it should compile with minor changes in JB. Porting the GNex update is possible, but makes little sense.

I can't be absolutely sure yet, but they well might considering it's still a minor version. The other thing though is it looks like the 2012 devices are getting it first this time.

They are/will be working, no ETAs.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] electrash:
Thx k900.

I would like to see new JB on older 2011 range but somehow i think that wont happend.

Anyway thx.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] doministry:
http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/29/the...lementations-of-flash-player-for-android-4-1/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
That's good. I won't go into too much detail, but literally not being able to use Flash on mobile means less people will use it in general.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
I second that notion, the sooner we get people away from flash the better :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
dafuq?!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
You see, flash sucks ass. The only reason people keep using it is because they are familiar with the technology from the time when there were no alternatives for building dynamic content. Adobe is slowly killing flash on the web for good, as there now is a standard (i.e. HTML5) that allows doing the same things without a flash player, in browser code, free for everyone to implement. No flash on the web also means they don't have to support the plugin any more, so it's a win win situation.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
Mhm. Didn't think about it that side. You're right man :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] doministry:
Yes I agree with that.

Problem is there are still many sites with Flash which I use.

Without it the experience will be worse since I won't be able to use some content.

That's it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
For one, my Satio got updates for more than three months but secondly - and more important - is that Symbian was already half dead and development was near non-existent. By the time of the Vivaz it was game over. Series 60 5th Edition was a total bodge and I wish UIQ had survived as it had the UI that might have enabled Symbian to compete with Android. Heck, it might have had such a large user base that Android never took off in the way it did.

Anyway, I don't blame SE for the updates on its Symbian devices but wonder if they should have released them at all!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] electrash:
I just hoping that will not be repeat with android.

Since then anyone knows that sony is bad with updates and delay a lot.

But what they did with ICS is awesome.

Just hoping they will update all of them.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] TheFirstFishy:
I would say Sony is one of the better companys when it comes to updates.

Just take a look at the other companys and see how many phones they got running ICS.

Yes, like the other companys, Sony allso releases ICS that need some bug fixes along the way. But atleast they brought most of their 2011 phones to ICS within Q3 unlike other companys.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] electrash:
I said in past they didnt be the number one update company.

Sony ericsson was well known for delays, canceled, and pretty bad support.

Now when is just sony they act a way much better.

Just hoping they will continue this way.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] android167:
That's actually true. Samsung only updated SGSII and HTC only Sensation and EVO 3D. But SE updated Arc, mini, mini pro, arc s, ray, and most of their phones. That is amazing!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lullesha:
Had few HTC's, now a Sony for the first time, and one thing is for sure: with Sony I know what to expect ;)

And calling them Fony or whatever just 'coz of the x10 debacle, their first android device btw, is just wrong.

I look forward to JB even tho but I'd rather see rooting on locked BL.

OT pozz susjedima :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
Especially as the X10 was so heavily customised and they said it wouldn't go beyond 2.1 from 1.6 (hard to believe it shipped with 1.6!).

Given it got upgraded to 2.3 and had multi-touch added, I think Sony Ericsson redeemed itself there.

They also used to support their feature phones pretty well too. The Symbian phones were an exception because of the total lack of development by Symbian, caused mostly by the inaction of Nokia who actively fought to screw up the progress for companies like Sony Ericsson, Samsung, LG etc.

Remember when Nokia got Facebook for S60 but made it only available via the Ovi Store, which didn't let non-Nokia S60 users get access? No wonder everyone that licensed S60 eventually gave up - and walked straight into the hands of Android... which has been pretty well supported since day one - thus giving Sony the updates to give us!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Remember about the PDK, too. They got early source access.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
I think Sony should continue the way it does, that's the best way to bind customers to them!

If they just drop support after a few months, customers will feel ****ed... Hopefully JB will come to all possible (2011/2012) devices :fingers-crossed: even if they take 6 months to release a final, they still keep ppl attached to them.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ahmedoxo:
seriously guys you just have got the ice cream and you wanted jelly bean!!

be patient and enjoy what you have now !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kaosdroid:
And don't forget!

The main goal of sony is sell phone!

Not upgrade!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Any manufacturer whose strategy is sell and forget gets an instant NOPE from the internets.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Deniz.S:
There are many different ways to increase sales. Restricting software upgrades so people buy new devices is one.

But building customer loyalty by upgrading and offering support to most of your devices (as Sony have done) is another. That way all the people who got the mid/low range lines will be more likely to choose Sony for their next upgrade.

anyway, i'm looking forward to jelly bean. small but decent improvements.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Android>iPhone:
It's Sony, I don't expect jack from them but they caused for pleasant surprise when they released Gingerbread for X10 nearly a year ago after claiming that it wasn't compatible.

Xperia S should easily handle Jelly Bean, so I don't see a reason why we shouldn't get that. They had the cheek to release the phone on GB and many are still waiting for ICS.

I wouldn't get my hopes up high though.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] maxboy:
Just flashed jb on my gf's GN, unbelievably smooth!

By the way, xs had better hardware than GN, when they both on ics, GN is still way smoother than xs, I am kind of disappointed.

Hate to say that but I think ics is our final stop......
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
Correct. This is how most companies operated in the past. Then Apple came along and offered a level of support that was rather unheard of. Now others follow, or risk being left out in the wilderness.

Just look at the bad feeling on any forum talking about Motorola. They've made (and still do make) some great phones and tablets - but everyone knows you'll be shafted when it comes to updates. Even with HTC and Samsung you'll probably need to buy top-end to be safe. LG..?

The low-end makers like Huawei and ZTE (although both are trying to go upmarket this year) seem to have realised you need to keep updating. You can even buy an Android tablet running ICS for £80 on eBuyer.com now!

I really don't think many companies are going to be silly enough to wash their hands of customers after a few months and expect them to queue up with their money to buy another phone.

Again, take Apple, if you support a customer well then when they do want to upgrade for whatever reason (phone got battered, handed out to someone, wanted a faster model/better camera) then you've pretty much made the sale guaranteed!

Let's make it clear. Android 4.1 will definitely come to the Xperia S, U and P (and the other new phones out in 2012). It's also quite probable that all of the 2011 models will get it too - simply because hardly any of them are over 18 months old. I think the only one that is older is the arc, but given the arc S is effectively the same I doubt they'd be so evil as to leave it behind!

In fact, it's only when we get to Android 5 that you might find that there are some new hardware requirements that make it an issue, but Sony managed to adapt ICS to work on just 512MB RAM models so where there's a will, there's a way.. if it's within that 18 month window. Who knows how Google is planning to do things in the future? We might have 4.2, 4.3 to go - meaning 5.x is a long way off.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
True bit I think that by the time there is a JB we will alrsdy migrate to another smartphone(hopefully Sony) :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] leechgod27:
JB?Come on guys...i updated to official ics 2 days back and i already searched google for downgradingback to GB.But didnt find any way...ics eating up lot of battery-thts just one point.Other problems i found were

1.menu key settings option from homescreen gone!! .

2 Free ram remains lesser by 3 times than gb

3.Sony home launcher doesnt remain in memory when pressing home key when in any app 4.Multitasking reduced like hell!

5.NOVA 3 stopped working!!

6.power+volume screenshot not working

7.zooming out in browser reloads data

I want gb back..it was so good and ppl want JB?

Really?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
1. ICS -> Evolution. The way it was displayed was a 1 year old design. They mixed Google guidelines with they own style.

2. Free RAM is wasted RAM on Linux kernel. ( explained 200 times)

3. Are you using Photoshop for Windows? Only reload here after heavy apps are used.

4. Lower RAM. A few tweaks and it's done.

5. Maybe phone + ICS incompatibility.

6. Power and volume DOWN for 2 seconds.

7. Try using Chrome.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kaosdroid:
The ICS sticker on the box was a new way for sony for sell their old HW phones ! :D

So,i think they stick that way !

But for me it's time to (re)move on Samsung :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] xerox89:
Move then o.O

a company who upgrade 3 phones only ( sII R note )

we wont miss you .
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] hexxor93:
Is that really necessary ? :S
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
I'm never going back to samsung :eek: had 5 samsung phones in the past few years and they all died within 1 year... crappy quality.

My previous phone was a HTC and still works fine after 2 years :fingers-crossed: and now the SXS :laugh:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] 18lama:
You want cheap and plasticky looking phones then sure move along. You won't be missed.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sfkaudi:
:D if i have a bad day, i just go on xda and reed this forum:D:D:D:D:D:D

sorry had to
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pruikki:
It is really funny, how many thing people want.

Xperia S will recive Jelly bean update in 2013 Q1-Q2

JUst before they announce Key Lime pie...LOL

AND THEN WE WILL BE IN the SAME SITUATION, But then this device wont be new so...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I think it's quite natural to want the best. You may not have it all the times, but you can want it. And I think we won't get it too late.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] oANUBISo:
I'll care when Sony show their jellybean, vanilla android sucks in comparison imo.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Jackmax32:
Samsung is no good... Their stock roms are kind a buggy... Software support is horrible..

Sony is way better...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Hey hey guys want to hear a joke???

Samsung.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
SAMSUNG ALL DA WAY !

feel the sarcasm!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] KeiranFTW:
Well this threads on topic. Does this section have a moderator?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Oh come on. It's going to be the ICS thread all over again.

@mods: let it be, then remove it when JB is out. It's going to be off topic chatter, but still eases the wait for many people ;)