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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
I believe AT&T is the holdup at this point, not Samsung, so your explanation wouldn't make much sense. Then again, maybe you're right and Samsung hasn't even provided AT&T with a working base yet. That's doubtful, though, and I sincerely hope that's not the case...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Lol....the guy who posted two posts above your post.....THAT'S HIM!!! THAT'S THE GUY!!!

The star trek military guy! Search his posts in this thread..He links to the official Samsung page where the i717 was removed...It's all so last month...so old news...

For the record, I still believe we will get the update, just not as much as I did before these developments.

I also don't believe that developments on the international note have anything to do with our phone as they differ in the most critical aspects - chip set and modem. As such they are completely different phones.

If I had to guess, in my humble opinion, Samsung has been trying to make JB work on our phones and maybe running into the same stability issues as our marvelous devs have...I know many will find that to be a stretch thinking that year old tech should have no issue with the spec jump that JB represents over ICS, but stranger things can and have happened. I don't know of any other phone that has our chip set that is in line for JB..

No need to jump down my throat demanding sources on that last bit..As I stated, it is my guesswork...I would love to be way off base....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
as an electrical engineer I can say you are way off base...

phones with much lesser specs are running official jb amazingly well.

ftr, telus still is showing it as getting the update this month.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
As an electrical engineer, you are more qualified than I am to comment on our chip set's ability to run JB...Thanks for that...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JonnyMark:
I been trying out CM10 10.1 but I can't find MHL support so I used official ICS still.

I remember reading that talk was about a March release date.

I am just little confused they are talking about JB having galaxy note 2 feature like multi window, I seen roms were international version had multi window since it has the power to run it but does this mean i717 getting it also?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] oort cloud:
Most importantly, we are talking about AT&T phone, correct?. Nobody's buying it for $800. As for updates, they are important because some of the systems on the market built recently only support phones with 4.2 and higher.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
The SkyRocket (Galaxy S2 LTE) is pretty close to our Galaxy Note hardware right? The Rogers version in Canada got the official JB OTA update (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2154012).

So there's some hope after all. At the very least, some of the drivers can be worked into our phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sam.jh:
This phone has identical hardware, short of the screen and spen, won't be long now if this phone has got it. :fingers-crossed:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
should be very shortly!

I'm getting excited, I really hope we get multi window,I love it on my s3.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PaulF8080:
I think the reason Samsung gave for why we don't have a video editor on our version is it is too under powered. I hope it can handle JB. Do you drive a train that is electric? :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Don't worry, we already know that our phone handles JB just fine.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
well then you have no idea what you're talking about..

the only difference between adreno 220 and 225 is that the 225 is overclocked.

I believe it's also 28nm.

"They had both dual and Quad core based designs on the Krait family, except that obviously Quads were to be release 4-6 months from the Duals.*But apparently they were having problems getting the Adreno 3xx cores at 28nm ready for Q1 2012 and hence there came a*first series of Krait MSMs which I you refer as*Krait V1*with2 Krait cores + Adreno 225 + 28nmwhere Adreno 225 is*a) 45nm Adreno 220 shrunk to 28nm*b) Added DirectX9_3 over 220*c) clock speed of 400MHz compared to 226"

that is the chipset in my s3 vs. what's in ours.

as you can see, not as much of a difference, especially not for the b.s. you're trying to sell
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 21productionz:
^ =0 oh snap, burn!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PaulF8080:
That was a very good point so I went back to a post I made when the note first came to at AT&T. I misremembered. The chip set is incompatible not slower (referring to the graphics chip)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maestrobarako:
JB official for KOrean galaxy note

its now official.. for the SHV-E160L/S/K notes..

http://koxda.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=110328&extra=page=1&filter=typeid&typeid=49&typeid=49

soon you'll have yours guys..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
incompatible? Lol

where are you getting this from.

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hmm that says something about multi window.

if I wasn't on my phone I'd try to translate that I'm curious what it says
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Lol thought it was already translated...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
it shows in Korean when I open it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Exactly. Thought it was in English....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Crixely, brother some of your posts seem a little harsh. We're all just trying to have a discussion about getting JB on our phone.

As I posted earlier, I defer to your background as a credible source..As Palehorse mentioned, we kinda know that our note can handle JB from what we have from our devs.

I think what the other guy is saying, and what I am wondering about, is whether or not there is something inherent in the code of JB that somehow doesn't play nice with our chipset (or rather, how our chipset has been implemented specifically in our phones- if that makes sense)

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer so I've always wondered what it is about "source code" that is so magical for devs to play with. In my simple mind, I imagine that once the hardware is put out and people have access to teardowns and schematics, coders both outside and inside Samsung are on a level playing field.

Obviously, I'm wrong in my thinking. I've just never understood why. I do know that just by shear numbers, there is more talent and know how on the outside so when things like the 'random reboot' issue can't be solved, I wonder about compatability....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
I don't see how I was being harsh..

I just don't like people making vague large statements with no evidence or even theory to back them up with.

I just think it's funny he keeps making these assumptions yet provides nothing to back them up with in any way, shape, or form.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Yayodroid:
Well, if thats the case. You have no idea what you're talking about. Try being informative and understanding. Leave the belittling out of it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
He gets to say that on the merit of being right even if he's being harsh. And he's infodumped plenty of information in his posts too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PaulF8080:
I said I got from an old post. Why do you find that funny?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/t-...app-commerical-coloring-fish.html#post1660744

If you follow the first link in that post, it is a post of why no video editor and refers to this video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW7sh-FBk

I posted here because you said you are an electrical engineer and it ticked me off. I am a EE too and friends actually ask me if I can fix their TV. I learned very little about the real world in school.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Yayodroid:
Oh. So we earn credits now? Good to know!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
For someone who is calling out someone else to not be an ass you're being pretty hypocritical about it.

In any case, there's no technical reason our Notes can't handle JellyBean and in fact, since the official JB was released for the SkyRocket which is identical hardware, we know JB will work.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
your first link has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about...

obviously we won't get the video editor that is designed for the exynos, but that would just be common sense. he even says you can get video editor's on the marketplace.

I'm not only an electrical engineer but I work designing electronics so I do know ak lot about the real world.

you made claims and provided no evidence to support them, hence my" harsh" response.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
This is not a debate thread and it seems that's what everyone is doing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BiscuitBee:
Hate to bring the bad news, but Rogers OS Upgrade page just updated a couple hours ago.

Now it says "Mid March"

I didn't check Telus yet. EDIT: Telus still says the same. Last update is Jan 3 when I checked.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
ugh that is frustrating.... I think I may sell this phone while it still retains some value
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sacberg:
The screen says it all
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SKyRocKeting727:
The S4 and the Note 3 looks promising.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Has the note 3 been announced?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
Looks like the kernel source for our sister phone the SkyRocket is available too now.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2158513

Wish they'd leak something for our phones haha.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rickneworleansla:
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...208/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/thread-id/355

:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
That's an N7000 not our I717
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maestrobarako:
ok.. try this one, its in english.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1969900&page=23
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
If you read it talks bout the rogers i717

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And that one was fore the Korean note development not our device
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] willmaister:
The Korean version of our note has all of our specifications...I'm sure it can be ported to our device....:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
N7005 does
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
Just got off the phone with T-Mobile upper level tech support.

was told they have the JB roll out for our phones scheduled to start OTA's before the second week of March.

This is a pre-recorded message and will self destruct AFTER the second week of March when it does not happen.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lastdeadmouse:
Commence breath-holding.

I hold no responsibility for any asphixiation-related deaths resulting from this post or broken provider promises.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JamieD81:
wouldnt that be a kick in the nuts if the absolute last carrier to the note scene whom EOL'd it almost directly after releasing it got the 4.1.2 update first? :P
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
IF T-Mo rolled it out first I would line up and let 5 members who are close to my area kick me in the nuts.....LMAO
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rquiett:
Well I live about an hour and a half from sacramento so I will line up if it holds true ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jmelendez1:
Why? The first one will break you:silly:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kidpaddle45:
Quick question:

I got the phone but unlocked and I'm right now with ChatR ( A sub-company of Fido or Rogers ..not sure.) ...How do i get my updates?

Do i wait until its downloadable or something? (All this, if we get the update of course xD)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
As soon as the update is available i assume you be able to get to a tar and and flash via odin
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SKyRocKeting727:
Can I be first? I'm in SAC, got my steel toes on ready to kick the SACk. ;)

On a serious Note, I hope AT&T doesn't screw us...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
1. Lucky for me I have re-located to the great NorthWest LOL

2. Naah....I had my original testicles replaced with brass balls :p

3. See reply Number one :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lildoggs:
I heard it was going to be released in June.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
Next month it is apparently being announced, along with the s4. Says the facebook samsung group anyway,
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
Sorry to sound grumpy but I am not interested in any new Samsung products till they finish upgrading my 717. I bought it when it was still the only note and jb was out.

I feel like their follow up after the sale is neglectful.

I am stuck with the phone and contact for 2 years and they owe me jb!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
I must admit I agree... I can't see myself buying another samsung phone if they don't update it soon.

Even my s3 is getting fairly neglected by them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
I understand what you mean, but to say they owe you JB is a little self centered. When we buy products, we buy them for what they are, not for what we want them to be. Sammy doesn't owe us anything and if that looses business, so be it. Now I feel that it's just plain stupid that they only seem to support their products for 6 months. Heck I own one of the original WD TV lives and I just got another update about a month ago (4+ year support) and that's from a company that their primary product line has nothing to do with the product. Samsung could take a page from that book, but at no point should we feel like they owe us an obligation for updates. Personally if the new Asus padfone comes to the US I might just get that...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
I think it's a good thing to expect companies to provide support for a couple years even if they technically "don't owe us anything".

That is to say, we should vote with our dollars and opinions. Not buy Samsung as first choice and make it loud and clear that we want reasonable levels of updates.

JB came out soon enough after the Note 1 (especially the i717 version) was released that it really seems reasonable to expect at least an update to 4.1
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
I totally agree, if I can avoid buying samsung for my next phone I probably will.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Why are you guys complaining? Grow up. Do you even realize how many devices, events, projects and conferences they need to plan for? If you want jellybean that bad go run a 4.2.2. ROM. This ROM isn't for complaint. Now I suggest you stop losing sleep over this update and go run a jellybean ROM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
Congratulations for doing a blanket statement instead of reading and seeing how we're being reasonable.

Complaining in itself isn't a bad thing. It's a necessary thing sometimes to get improvements. Besides, we were talking about voting with our dollars and how it would be good if enough people did that to force a change.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
So instead so being patient and calm waiting or the update you are willing to pay to bring them out faster. Seems legit. GG.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
No, you didn't read and again just posted.

We're saying that since Samsung doesn't seem to update consistently, the next time we get a new phone, we'll try a different manufacturer. That's what "voting with our dollars" means (paying Samsung to bring them out faster wtf how did you get that?).

No matter how you twist it, it's a good thing if Samsung provided updates for a couple years for their high end phones. It's to the consumer's (us) benefit if Samsung gets the message.

I'm pretty sure we're going to get the 4.1 update soon though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
Not only that but as said, the i717 came out after the international one. It's the only that Samsung wanted you to buy in the states and said they wouldn't support you if you bought the international version so yes that is implied we should get an update. The international version got jb so they should do the same for us that followed the rules and signed contracts.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
I don't see how anyone can say that a phone that is actively being sold does not deserve to be updated is beyond me....

It still goes for $730 lol

I agree with everyone here, people need to start voting with their dollars and if that means stepping away from android I may even do so.

Also, I want an update with full spen functionality (multiwindow too would be nice) not "run and get a 4.2.2 rom" which I already have.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
Be patient yes, buy no... Why would they support old product if they think they can get away with not supporting them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SKyRocKeting727:
Name one Android manufacture that supports their old models with the latest Android OS in a fast timely matter besides the Nexus. Funny thing is that there are none. Since Samsung is a NOT a company from the US, our Notes aren't first priority in updates as they will have to submit them to carriers before official release. I am Not tied down to any manufacture...if Samsung doesn't wow me on the next Note, I will get something else. Simple as that. We're lucky to have so many Android manufactures.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
Guys, really all my point was, if you don't like the company, don't buy from it. We all have our beefs about one thing or another and those are Our beefs. Let's stop this petty bickering about something one person finds important while another doesn't. Those thread was about ANNOUNCEMENTS, and yes I violated that too, but come on, we don't need an epeen measuring contest about what someone said and what they didn't. Let's get back on track

Yeesh, this is worse than my cousins who are 8...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] cisco kidd:
I am soo looking forward to Jelly bean for my i717 on Bell network here in Canada. Just hope they release it relatively soon!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zancro:
Voting through product choice

As soon as Dell announced End of Life for the Streak I vowed to never again support Dell by buying their products. I am considering the same resolution concerning Samsung. If they are not going to support their products while customers are still relying on them for daily use then customers should not be expected show brand loyality.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] oort cloud:
Why do you feel entitled for free OS updates? Does MS or Apple update their OS for free? No.

I think they should charge for each update, especially those who gets their phones with the carrier discounts. I, for one, wouldn't mind to pay some $50 for each update.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] theonedub:
Any news out of MWC concerning our possible update?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
What's MWC? Ha sorry :s
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
Say What?!

MS and Apple DO UPDATE their OS for free regularly. :silly:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] leo5111:
yes for security updates, etc, but for a actual newer version of the operating system you have to buy it... :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ddochi11:
Although I hate to say this, I agree with oort cloud.

Apple stopped supporting iPhone 3GS after 3 years.

Microsoft would have stopped updating XP a long time ago if Vista wasn't so terrible.

ICS 4.0.4 functions perfectly fine on the Note. They are not obligated to update OS, and they may promise an update as they launch the phone.

Note initially was sold with GB with the promise of update to ICS, and we got the update. There have been stories/rumors/promises about an update to 4.1.

I would love to have the extra bells and whistles, but if I don't get JB, I might be a little disappointed. But frankly, it doesn't change how I look at Samsung.

I bought this phone knowing it is running GB out of the box, and knowing I will get ICS for certain. Nothing beyond that has been officially confirmed (AFAIK). And it will be the same for any phone/tablet/gadget I buy in the future.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
lol I can skip 10 pages of this thread and not miss a thing..... The same things are repeated over and over. Only thing that changes is the people that say it and how it is said.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
If I don't get my JB update I am boycotting Samsung, ATT, Android, Chevrolet, pizza, and the Dallas Cowboys. :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
Actually even 3 year old windows phones got the wp7.8 upgrade... Lg optimus 7 for example.

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3gs was supported for a very long time...

I don't even think you can argue the difference in support between windows phone and apple products vs. non-nexus android ones
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jimmbomb:
Im boycotting the actor Judd Hirsch ..

He was such a mean pri*k in the movie "King of the Gypsies" that I vowed never to watch him agian...

BUT.. I will Never give up pizza
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
At least they're making a effort to update our phones. If you don't like it buy a new phone. I just ROM Jamie's 4.2.2. ROM stable as hell. :thumbup:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] taz44410:
Wow I didn't know you were not able to use it just because it doesn't have jb
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Woah...woah...woah..

What's going on here with the crazy talk..I think maybe we need to get a mod involved here...

Since when did we start disparaging pizza????

PIZZA IS DELICIOUS!!!!!!

STOP THIS TALK RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Don't forget the garlic fingers!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] cisco kidd:
Nah dont agree. When a product reaches EOL you are on your own.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] windroidHD:
The latest iOS 6.1.2 that came out couple of weeks back, is still supported for 3GS, some functionality(siri?) might not be available, but whatever the hardware can handle, is supported.

3GS was release June 2009, so even after 3 years and 8 months, 3GS has latest iOS that hardware can support.

I just checked results, Samsung made $8 billion in profit 2012 4th quarter, ~60% of their profit is in mobile division, so $4.8 billion mostly driven by galaxy s3 and note 2, I think that's more than enough profit on those devices to keep updating them for at least 2 years.

(Samsung made ~$5 billion in PROFIT for 4th quarter of 2011. Note 1 was released middle of 4th quarter)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Why are you comparing desktop OS update practices to mobile phone OS update practices? Both Apple and MS have provided FREE mobile OS updates for their phones for up to three years, or longer.

The i717 was just one year old last week. There is simply no legitimate excuse for Samsung and/or AT&T to stop providing updates this quickly. Hell, many i717 owners, including myself, are only halfway through our original two year contracts with this device!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lildoggs:
If we dont get this update I'm boycotting fish legs. Lmao :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
I completely agree, either agree to support the phone for 2 years or don't make us sign a contract.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] chak29:
Omg.. all these people still crying. (Canada) rogers and other cell company already said notes will get jelly bean update in march. They are the same phone as atti717. Its means that even att don't update our note.. we can still use jelly bean from Canada.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Snizzoop:
Telus just pushed it back to April.

http://www.telusmobility.com/en/ON/...ity.com/en/BC/Software-Updates/schedule.shtml
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
If Canada does release the update, YaY! I'll believe it when I see it.