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[Nexus 7 General] Milamber33:
I know that, I was just wondering if being installed as a system app would give it the same permissions. I suppose I should go and look up a guide of some kind on how permissions work in Android and see what the different permissions are for user apps and system apps. Root apps of course can do just about anything. :p
[Nexus 7 General] mrnovanova:
EXT hardrive

If I want to use a 32g micro sd card connected via otg as my external memory so that I could put my CWM backups and all my roms and access it while in recovery. I'm an avid flasher and backups take a lot of space. 1st of all would that be possible? If so how would I go about it?
[Nexus 7 General] kiewee3:
Can you use this:

Nexus 7 > USB OTG cable > micro sd card reader > micro sd card?
[Nexus 7 General] spiff72:
Should work yes. I will verify tonight with a class 2 16GB card in a generic microsd card reader. (The one I am using is a tiny little thing where you insert the microsd card into the USB connector).
[Nexus 7 General] djkinetic:
yes you can as long as the micro sd card reader doesnt draw much power
[Nexus 7 General] buzongtang:
I bought a Kingston 64gb on Amazon for about 20usd. Also there are some really sweet deals on Kingston traveler drives. Got a couple of 16Gb silver aluminum key chain size travel drives from Kingston at a serious discount on Amazon. Really nice drives. As for whether that drive is suitable, I'm not sure what you mean. It should work as good as any other USB storage.
[Nexus 7 General] spiff72:
I can confirm that I was able to play a couple of 1080p movie trailers using this Class 2 micro SD card reader above without issue.
[Nexus 7 General] Dixi1801:
Ive found OTG cables for £1 or so, but they don't work with 2.3.3 or above apparently, what would stop these working with the N7?
[Nexus 7 General] krelvinaz:
I have a bunch of these type of sdcards. Don't have the OTG cable yet though to test 100% but they should not be pulling much

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
I bought a $1.29 cable off eBay and it works fine on my N7. I guess it just depends on the cable you bought. Some are worse quality than others.
[Nexus 7 General] YoungAceAtlanta:
So i guess my the Nexus can't read my Mac Time Machine HDD i set up.. its formated for my mac.. so its only FAT32 it can read n others?
[Nexus 7 General] japzone:
It's confirmed to work with FAT32 and NTFS but I have yet to Test it with the Mac format standard as I don't have a Mac. If you can test it and let us know that would be great.
[Nexus 7 General] YoungAceAtlanta:
already did.. didn't work
[Nexus 7 General] Milamber33:
Which filesystems it can read depends on the kernel. EXT3 and EXT4 are pretty much guaranteed, though, and FAT32 is pretty generally available. There are kernel modules available for mounting certain other filesystems, and then custom kernels can be built with support baked in as well. So check with your kernel dev for what filesystems should work.
[Nexus 7 General] dgero83:
Is it possible to connect more than one usb stick/hd at a time? I mean: i have all of my films on a 2TB hard drive, and my tv plays usb sticks, but not my hd. Is it possible to connect the hd and the memory stick to the nexus 7 at the same time to transfer data from one to the other, or do i have to copy the film first on the nexus, and then on the memory stick?
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
You can use a powered USB hub to connect more than 1 thing.
[Nexus 7 General] josefmawas:
Can you run games and apps with ota stickmount? :confused:
[Nexus 7 General] Deazul:
Sorry if this has already been asked - the 50+ pages of replies were a bit intimidating to sift through..

I just tried to mount my nexus s as an SD card and while it does recognize its existence, the appropriate USB drive folder was empty. Is there a better way to go about this (other than the obvious wireless alternatives)? Thank you!
[Nexus 7 General] spthacker:
apologies if this has been asked before, I've skipped through a few pages, but can't read 50+ :silly:

Anyways does it make a difference whch class of MSD card you use? as thinking about this little package:

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&products_id=111823
[Nexus 7 General] josefmawas:
Please answer
[Nexus 7 General] mrnovanova:
So I asked this a couple days ago and since no one seems to know how to get it done. Does anyone know of a thread where or someone who would know about this type of stuff.

---------- Post added at 07:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:30 PM ----------

Try asking there

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1771129
[Nexus 7 General] japzone:
Be patient for answers. We do have lived you know :(

Anyway, the answer is no. At least there's no way to right now. StickMount currently only mounts USB drives to folders. You can try checking out StickMount's thread and asking its creator of this is a feature he'd like to look into, but I think it's unlikely. Besides would you want to be stuck having to have your USB Drive plugged in in order to use certain apps?

The answer is no. This was already discussed earlier in the thread. CWM would have to have the feature built in itself in order to mount USB drives for making Nandroid backups. Please try searching a thread for information first. I know it's a lot of pages but if you pull up the Web version you'll find a "Search this thread" box on the right.

All Classes work. If you can plug it into your PC and don't need any special drives then it should work with your Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 General] japzone:
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[Nexus 7 General] mrnovanova:
[/QUOTE]The answer is no. This was already discussed earlier in the thread. CWM would have to have the feature built in itself in order to mount USB drives for making Nandroid backups. Please try searching a thread for information first. I know it's a lot of pages but if you pull up the Web version you'll find a "Search this thread" box on the right.

Btw I did sifted through the 50 some odd pages at the time I must have missed it. Sorry. I know you have lives. Thank you.
[Nexus 7 General] humblewarfare:
Any idea why OTG won't work for me? I rooted using WUg's toolkit and have installed BAMF Paradigm. Unknown sources and usb debugging are checked, but when I insert a sandisk 8gb vcruzer using this OTG cable, nothing shows up in stickkmount. Any ideas how to resolve?
[Nexus 7 General] YoungAceAtlanta:
if you plan on streaming HD movies from your SDcard then it matters... i say get anything above class 4

for basic file transfer it don't matter
[Nexus 7 General] SnoMan88:
Did you try using a file explore like solid explorer to see if it is there?
[Nexus 7 General] humblewarfare:
Where would it be in Solid Explorer? I dont see any drives mounted when I look in the stick mount app
[Nexus 7 General] japzone:
pressing "mount" in StickMount should cause a Superuser toast notification and display the mount directory for the attached USB drive. Usually the directory is inside /sdcard/usbmount/
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
1. Yep. Very easy to do.

2. Nope, you can always return to stock.

3. MX Player is very nice. There are a ton to choose from.
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
Right here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1766475
[Nexus 7 General] Neo3D:
So, you are able to watch movies from a USB Flash drive or USB HDD drive that is formatted in NTFS?

This would be awesome as we wouldn't have to use Handbrake to convert movie files like on the iCrap products.
[Nexus 7 General] @home:
How do we do this?

Just plug the usb drive into the Nexus & it shows up as a drive & away you go?

Do we need to install some other software?

Ta
[Nexus 7 General] SnoMan88:
Sorry for being late. This is where it would be in solid explorer;
[Nexus 7 General] josefmawas:
Could you please try it out if apps or games work with otg stickmount
[Nexus 7 General] SnoMan88:
Sorry I don't even have an otg yet
[Nexus 7 General] cookie666:
Anyone found if they let the N7 goto sleep with the OTG plugged in you cant wake it back up? I have to do PWR+VOL+- to reset it and reboot.

Also, when I copy to the USB in Ghost Commander or Root Explorer I doesnt show "progess" and just sort of hangs yet seems to copy ok (as long as I dont let it sleep) :)

I'm using Paranoidandroid rom with motley kernel

update: changed to Trinity kernel and now "progress" is working fine, will test the sleep latter.
[Nexus 7 General] japzone:
Yep, copying files and playing videos worked fine. Although I haven't yet tested writing to a NTFS drive; that might cause problems. In Linux sometimes partial support is available for NTFS but only for reading and not writing. Be worth testing but I don't have time at the moment.

Odd, I've let my Nexus fall asleep aplenty with my USB Drive plugged in and have experienced no issues. I even had it copy some large videos of my terabyte drive while it has the screen of and the files copied fine.
[Nexus 7 General] yeahmon:
I have the OTG cable and a 64GB microSD plugged into it. It works, but it's simply not enough for what I want to do with my N7. I posted this solution up in another forum. Take it FWIW.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1803511

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Yup. Mine does it every time. Stock, but rooted.
[Nexus 7 General] cookie666:
You can use read-only NTFS. Not a big issue if you only want to watch your mkv files etc.
[Nexus 7 General] Milamber33:
FAT32 can only take up to 4gb files, and default NTFS support is read only, but custom kernels and kernel modules can add full NTFS write support, and if you're willing to deal with non-Windows file systems, it should also work with EXT4, I think.
[Nexus 7 General] el56:
Here is an eBay shop I came across that has the choice you need:

Left Angle

Right Angle

No angle (straight)

HTH
[Nexus 7 General] Roondy888:
Moving apps to external sd

I have searched for 3 hours trying to find an answer before posting this to no avail. I tried transferring Modern Combat 3 to my usb thumb drive, it transferred successfully but when i go to open the game it says "an additional download is required" even though i already downloaded the additional items. So is there any way to get it to read from the thumb drive while plugged into my nexus 7? I would like to transfer all the big apps to the thumb drive and play them from there. I was able to transfer a movie and watch it so the usb drive works.

Thanks!
[Nexus 7 General] Ozzie Sandoval:
Does anyone know of a right or left angle OTG micro usb to usb cable like this....

http://www.wholesale-in-china.org/articles/article-86078.htm

or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB-Po..._USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item460617df94

???

I would greatly appreciate it!
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
I answered you in the other thread don't spam the forums
[Nexus 7 General] el56:
It took all of about 10 seconds to go on eBay and search for "90 degree micro usb" to come up with this and this.

But be careful, this is not exactly what you asked for. These are not OTG adapters, just as the two examples you gave were also not OTG. They're just right-angle adapters. But they would still need OTG cables in order to connect a keyboard or pendrive.
[Nexus 7 General] Ozzie Sandoval:
Ughh.. let me quote myself:

"Does anyone know of a right or left angle

OTG

micro usb to usb cable like this..."

Thanks.
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
You could buy those right angle adapters and attach a straight OTG cable to it.
[Nexus 7 General] el56:
That was already answered just a few messages ago.
[Nexus 7 General] candypeart:
followed by long argument about greedy google. umm, one moment.

SD Card slot costs a lot more money to add than you guys realize. There are royalties, and licensing fees. SD Cards are formatted with FAT by default, a slot must read FAT files to work with those cards. Microsoft charges a lot for the rights to use FAT in your SD Card slot. Maybe google wants to pay NOTHING to microsoft... hmm?

Then there is the money for actually putting it in there. All those costs would have been passed on to.. us! And maybe Google couldn't put a 4 core chip in there and still hit 200 dollar price point after paying all those royalties and fees, just maybe?

And you know what, they DID include USB-OTG for people that want more storage than the cloud.

(while I realize 'greedy corp' is typically a good meme, one size argument does not fit all situations. dang guys. give it a break)
[Nexus 7 General] bennor3814:
The problem with the argument about not including the microSD card (or the micro HDMI port) because of cost is that ASUS demo'd the ASUS Memo 370T at CES this year with a microSD card slot, along with the memory starting at 16GB, an micro HDMI port, a 8mp back camera, and they claimed the price would be $250. The ifixit.net teardown of the Nexus 7 shows that there are locations for the back camera and other elements Google had ASUS remove from the 370T to rebrand it as the Nexus 7 line. In fact per the ifixit.net tear down of their Nexus 7 the motherboard is even stamped ASUS ME370T.

Anyhow back on topic. The wait for the USB-OTG cables ordered from Amazon is killing me. Ordered them with free shipping on July 26th, they shipped on the 27th from China, and Amazon indicates a delivery estimate of between: Tuesday August 21, 2012 - Friday September 7, 2012. Hopefully it will be here before late August. :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
Future reference:

Most of those china accessories are also sold by USA distributors. If you just click more new and used offers. They are usually same price or a dollar more.

I received my USB otg cable and SD card reader a week before the nexus 7 was even released.
[Nexus 7 General] bennor3814:
Thanks for the tip. Now I know better next time. One reviewer of that cable indicated they received their cable in 12 days. <shrugs> Currently working around not having the USB-OTG cable by storing and accessing (with ES File Explorer) files/media through my router's USB port that has a USB external drive attached to it.
[Nexus 7 General] el56:
The base cost of the N7 is $199, not $250, and it was known that there was aggressive cost cutting done to bring the cost of the N7 down enough so that it could compete head-on with the Kindle Fire. Cutting 20% from the cost is not trivial.

Offered the choice between dropping the rear cam / SD slot / HDMI and, say, going with a slower processor or lower-res screen or smaller battery, they made the right tradeoff IMO. And in any case, there can be a significant gap between what a manufacturer claims for a target price at CES and what you can actually buy the thing for when it releases.

Who knows? Given the success of the N7 and how Asus dealt with the Transformer's popularity, perhaps in the not-too-distant future we may still see an ME370T, an Asus-branded "nexus 7 Prime" with a back camera, video-out and 32GB and/or card slot.
[Nexus 7 General] bennor3814:
Yes the base cost of the 8GB Nexus is $199, but the cost for the 16GB is $250. Google could have simply left the 16GB 370T version alone and sold (lots of) them at the $250 (or even $300) price point. But they didn't. They chose to remove the features as was there choice. The estimated production costs for the 8GB version is $159.25 and the 16GB version is $166.75. And yes time will tell if ASUS or others market a similar tablet with a microSD port and other goodies the 370T had. Not that any of this OT discussion matters since only Google knows the real reason for removing the various elements from the 370T. <shrugs>
[Nexus 7 General] Itchiee:
Haha I ordered two of the same and it will take forever to arrive, but they were very affordable.
[Nexus 7 General] japzone:
Depends on what you want to spend more of. Spend more money or spend more time. Both have their own value.
[Nexus 7 General] Ozzie Sandoval:
:sigh:

Lets try this again...

Does anyone know of a device with these requirements:

1. It has to be small like these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-2...492673?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item20c6287141

or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-2...ccessories&hash=item1e6e9d956f#ht_3742wt_1165

2. It has to be OTG.

3. Micro usb to usb.

4. I DO NOT want to attach anything to it but the flash drive itself. NO CABLES, no other equipment.

If this doesn't work, "I don't want to live on this planet anymore".
[Nexus 7 General] mwalt2:
Wouldn't you be able to buy a $1.50 cable from amazon and use chainfire's free stickmount app in playstore? I know people do this with stock roms on the galaxy nexus with no problems. I think my main use for the tablet will be ebooks and internet/apps. For travelling, I think a cheap cable and usb thumb drive would work pretty well.
[Nexus 7 General] thunder9111:
At least I was pissed about it not having sd card, but then I thought about how I use my phone and I figured I don't really need it.

I have a 16g sd card in my phone, and I never remove it, so it's almost just like internal storage. I have 10 gigs of music, which makes it the perfect mp3 player. Pictures/ebooks/games/apps don't really take in that much space.

So the only real usage of space would be for movies and shows. I hardly watch them on my phone, so it works for me.

With Nexus 7, I guess I will leave around 12g of it for movies and shows. That should be plenty. You don't need to download the best qualities.. something around 1g a movie should be good. Put in 6-7 movies, and a bunch of television shows. I think the 16g should work fine for me.
[Nexus 7 General] expertzero1:
this device is to compete with the kindle fire and increase the android tablet base.

This isnt a transformer infinity.

If you want a device with all of that crap, get a transformer infinity or a galaxy note tab whatever.

200 Bucks for a very good specd device, im not sure why you guys are all complaining.
[Nexus 7 General] brizey:
I have an A200 and a KF. I have never taken the microsd card out of the A200 since I put it in. I usually just transfer files using dropbox or ES Explorer.

The only thing about the KF is the limited space, but the 16 GB N7 should have about 2.5 times the space. Plenty for a few songs (use my phone for that anyway with audiogalaxy=my entire music collection no matter how big it gets) and a few movies for a trip. When I down convert movies for my A200 (same resolution as the N7) they end up at a little under 2 GB typically, so putting 3 or 4 movies on the N7 should be no problem, and that is at a sort of max quality. Plenty enough to get through a trip.

I guess it is a lifestyle thing. I am a 40 something dad. My downtime is at my house. I am not going to watch a movie on a tablet when I have a big monitor and a plasma in my study and a plasma in the family room. The only time I use my tablet that way is on airplanes and airports. I don't use public transportation or have downtime between classes.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Amazon doesn't want you bringing ANY content not purchased within their ecosystem. Very little chance the Fire 2 has an SD card slot.
[Nexus 7 General] clemson91:
Hi does anyone have experience with the NFC speed between devices, I was wondering because I have a GS3 on the way. Is it fast enough where I could just transfer movies from the GS3 to Nexus 7 while on the go since I got the 32gb model and a 64gb micro sd.

Edit: My movies are only like 1-2gb each.
[Nexus 7 General] mwalt2:
I remember reading that you can tap the 2 nfc devices together and they will use bluetooth to transfer if the file is over a certain size. I don't remember where I read it though :).
[Nexus 7 General] clemson91:
Oh ok I hope that's is true because after a little searching I see that NFC speeds are about 424 kbit/s, while Bluetooth is about 2.1 Mbit/s. I guess ether way large movies may not really work to well. I'll enjoy my new tablet either way.
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Are some here spinners on the Google product team? ;)

Expect meager lower power external support if any. This device is basically an electronic fence to corral people into the cloud and for data mining.

If they wanted people to use external storage they would have added a micro slot, but they do not.

Any external storage will be by accident, since I saw nothing in their publications that even hints of usb host for data.
[Nexus 7 General] The Janitor Mop:
This is a touchy issue. I hope you can easily attach USB sticks to increase storage.

For me, my only Android at the moment is a HTC Sensation. 1 GB of internal storage, with a 8 GB SD card. I normally have about 1.5-2 GB left. Take away the pictures and recorded videos, and I'd have 2.5 GB left. Take away the custom ROMs, kernels, and backups I have on it, and I'd have 5 GB left. I obviously don't have a lot on my phone.

The Nexus 7 can have an additional 8 GB of storage on top of my Sensation, and it won't be used for taking pics/videos, and I wouldn't have custom ROMs and backups sitting on it since it would be good enough for me out of the box. So not only does it have more storage than my Sensation, it also won't need space reserved for the 2 things I noted above. Additionally, I'm not the kind of guy who has a large movie/music collection, so there's not much I would want to have on the Nexus 7 at all times. For me, 16 GB would go towards apps, a movie or two (which I would rotate every few weeks), and a small amount of music. Clearly I would have plenty of left over space with that, so a 16 GB Nexus 7 would meet my needs. This is probably why I fall into more of the general consumer category Google is trying to hit with the Nexus 7, and probably also why I'm more likely to get it than a lot of you.

Even though it won't be a problem for me, I hope for the sake of everyone who will be bothered by storage that we will be able to attach USB sticks easily. If we can't, and it is enough of a problem for you, then you should probably pass on the Nexus 7. I know it's a bummer when an awesome device comes out that you can't get because it fails in one area that is critical to you, but at the same time the tech cycle is so fast that I can guarantee a product will come out not too far off that will meet your needs.
[Nexus 7 General] Nato154:
so ive done my research, read the other posts and looked up about usb otg (on the go) and found this : http://www.amazon.com/SANOXY-Micro-USB-OTG-Adapter/dp/B005QX7KYU its basically an adapter for any usb device (flash drive,mouse,keyboard , ect.). All you have to do is dl StickMount from the play store to get the flash working. :good:
[Nexus 7 General] OldDogEyes:
There are a lot of ways to move files between devices...

ever heard of bluetooth?

how about wifi?
[Nexus 7 General] darkamikaze:
It won't work if the USB doesn't do 5V and does 3.3V .. we'll see when the device arrives. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
[Nexus 7 General] Meany105:
What about modifying one of http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=380433508478 so it had a micro USB rather than USB.

It would be very slim and only add a 4-5mm bump to the side.
[Nexus 7 General] Magnesus:
Since Honeycomb there are no problems with that because microSD was used only as an external storage (no apps or app data on it). For me it's a deal breaker, because I have a 32GB card that is almost full with PDFs and other data and I can't imagine using a tablet without it all. If they made 64GB version of Nexus 7 it would be probably enough for me.
[Nexus 7 General] jirkadus:
Well, I don't understand this Google step. I understand, that with phones or tablets with 3G module, it makes sense to avoid micro SD cards... carriers will then be able to profit from mobile data that users will use to reach cloud data... but if there is only wifi, there is no logic to force people to store date in cloud. Well, cloud providers (as google is as well) appreciate it, but does it worth that mass of anoyed people?
[Nexus 7 General] Andy2.2:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0037227...nd=8524160011957535663&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=

Wouldn't this work?
[Nexus 7 General] chief1978:
As stated more than once, depends on the power output of the port 3.3 or 5v