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[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
If you take this route, you will more than likely be put on a temp blacklist for a few years once they terminate the contract. If that matters to you.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
no you arent. you can literally do this, then resign up for service the next day. you just lose your phone number.
[Epic 4G General] csmasn:
13GB last month, and still with service. No calls or mail. But I sign with Sprint when I was working for the US DoD. All I want was the discount. I think they dont want the DoD messing with them.... :D
[Epic 4G General] aamaro:
Hold on a sec. Are you saying if I abuse my E4GT hotspot with lots of usage then sprint will terminate my contract just that easy?

I mean, if it's like that then we just found the holy grail for getting rid of a 2 years contract :)
[Epic 4G General] xtc714:
I'm guessing yeah if your using the hacked hotspot not the one you pay for
[Epic 4G General] aamaro:
This is too good to be true...
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
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[Epic 4G General] Andy_nu:
what phones do you have? lol i might wanna buy them
[Epic 4G General] aamaro:
My bad with the image it was just a troll face.

I'm stuck for 1.5 years with my epic touch but then if pull this up and works. I can manage to maybe sell this white epic touch and I'll be free to upgrade whenever I want.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Not sure if it is entirely legal, but the best way to get sprint pissed off is to use a Verizon PRL (Google for one), flash it, and tether to download a huge file (probably best as a torrent (a legal one) because of peer to peer. I recommend downloading a torrent for a free Linux distro like Ubuntu).
[Epic 4G General] pvtjoker42:
couldn't you manage a similar thing with roam control?
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
But it would be slower as the prl slows roaming, but with a Verizon prl, it is not roaming so it is full 3g.
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
so basically you just make it to ROAM all the time and using a Verizon prl would be using the VZW 3G???.

I would just to like every once in a while able to make it roam so i can go onto VZW Network is all. so its not totally suspicious plus there are some areas where i go on a daily basis that suck
[Epic 4G General] Andy_nu:
call it in as stolen and get a free replacement. lol ill buy a bad esn from ya
[Epic 4G General] Zeinzu:
Free? No. Deductible.

Sent from my SPH-D700 CM9 4.0.4
[Epic 4G General] Andy_nu:
i can pay the $100 deductible
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
On a Verizon prl, roaming is not roaming. When you roam, you are on sprint.
[Epic 4G General] s89281b:
even if only use some time like with roam control it depends how much you use while roaming. sprint kicked me off 2 weeks ago without warning and i never tether only use on phone but i forgot and left it roaming on a trip out of town and was streaming pandora during the 12 hours in car.i didnt realize until i starting thinking about my signal never dropped, this cant be sprint. but my girlfriend is still under contract(for now) and has my epic. as soon as she gets back from atl it is getting prl 00001 and constant downloads while streaming 24/7. i am on att with a galaxy note now and paying 2 seperate bills is not cheap.
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
okay so;

Verizon PRL means Verizons 3G, but when you roam on VZW PRL your on Sprint's Network?

Sprint PRL means Sprints 3G, but when you roam on Sprint's PRL your on Verizon's Network?
[Epic 4G General] s89281b:
that is how it looks on the phone but sprint still sees it as roaming. with prl 00001 your phone will be on verizon all the time without the roaming icon and without needing to switch networks with roam control. if you want to be able to switch and use verizon 3g use prl 11115. this is still sprint but you can use roam control to switch to verizon and get 3g speeds.
[Epic 4G General] pvtjoker42:
so basically i need to go back and find the thread on manually updating PRL (as mine shouldn't auto update with CM9)
[Epic 4G General] s89281b:
yes and if on cm9 you will have to flash a temp kernel that will allow you to update. you should be able to find everything in http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=898628
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
Dang. Could've used this to get out of contract instead of paying $75 ETF to jump ship to Verizon but it was still worth it paying for Verizon's excellent LTE coverage, throughput and unlimited data.
[Epic 4G General] hayzooos:
$75 ETF? Dang, how long ago was this? I thought they were significantly more now a days...

Anyway, unlimited data is only going to be available for VZW if you start to buy all your phones off contract, so full Verizon price. Don't think they're not going to gouge the crap out of the upcoming phones because of this. I don't see it being too far off where Verizon top-tier phones are $800-900 off contract, while the same phone is still $550-600 on other carriers.

They'll get theirs, you can bet on it.

This may be bearable for a single line, but once you start adding on a line for a wife, or whoever, the cost will be way too prohibitive to retain unlimited data.
[Epic 4G General] CogDancer:
ETF depends on how long you have left on your contract. If you terminate with 2 years left, you pay a lot more than if you terminate with 2 months left.
[Epic 4G General] jeffro18:
11115 is a bit dated. I'm using 11119 these days and that may already be dated as well. I haven't searched for a newer one in a while.
[Epic 4G General] labumm:
So Sprint can tell the difference between streaming Netflix on my phone w/ the Netflix App vs watching on my laptop tethered via the hacked hotspot?
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Yes. PCs use different size packets.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Nope. Your pc routes through your phone when tethering. The same packets are sent.

The headers might be different, but I doubt sprint monitors that. They just assume that you are tethering when you use huge amounts of data.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
If that were true a lot more youtube junkies would be getting letters. Seems to center around tetherers. There was an article about how easy it was for the carrier to tell if you tethered. Will have to look for it.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Yeah, with headers that say "Internet Explorer/Windows 7"
[Epic 4G General] aamaro:
Well here's my plan. Wait till google announce the next nexus phone and if I still stock with this contract then I'll try these brilliant methods to piss off sprint and make them terminate it. And switch away

The GS3 is a beast but we all know how's the speed of software upgrades compared with the nexus line.
[Epic 4G General] Zeinzu:
Awesome. Thread has become a discussion of how to cheat the system...

And yet we wanna complain about these carriers for raising cost on this, or cutting that, for having inferior whatever, and these days the majority screw them out of phones, contracts, and services like tether.

Sent from my SPH-D700 CM9 4.0.4
[Epic 4G General] M1Quinn:
Sprint cancelled me for roaming to much. I was hoping they would wait til the gs3 was on the shelves but I'm not so lucky. So I got the gs2 with us cellular since they have the best coverage where I live. No LTE with the gs2 but I'm very happy with it and the consistent 3g network. I really wanted gs3 but when I'm due for an upgrade there will be so great Samsung LTE quadcores on the market
[Epic 4G General] :
U.S cellular have gs3
[Epic 4G General] Colt10mm:
This is not what I or where I intended this question to go when I 1st posted.... sorta took on a life of it's own in a monstrous way. But it is what it is and I learned a valuable lesson that I wont soon forget which is mainly watching what and how much I download with my phone. Wondering if anyone can PM me on a way to get drivers to read my phone and a list of how to get the info I need to to get off Prevail and move to Epic using CDMA2.7, QPST 2.7,.....etc.... (complete guide would be appreciated) as I am going to go with boost and want to move this phone to Boost and let the Samsung Prevail be the one to set in the dresser drawers as can't deal with the lack of ram, on board storage and size of the phone much less missing Ice Cream Sandwich and the general lack of available roms for new phone.
[Epic 4G General] dzl:
so here is a question that I've been curious about.

If you get a termination notice, do they give you a 10day period or something to let you move to another carrier? Could you port your exisiting number to another carrier during this time before they really terminate your account? I actually ported my number to sprint, so they don't actually "own" that number right...?
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
I don't know if I'd call it "misleading". The data is unlimited for $x. $x is the price no matter how much data you use. They also reserve the right to terminate the relationship.

An all you can eat buffet can advertise "All you can Eat: $8" and still reserve the right in the "fine print" to kick out the guy that's been there 8 hours and routinely brings the entire trough of Mac and Cheese/Potatoes/Chicken back to his table, just because "he can".

The important distinction is in the other direction. No one is going to get a surprise bill for $24 because they ate too much.
[Epic 4G General] hayzooos:
I think I read they give you 30 days to find a new carrier. I don't know if the amount of days is 100% right, but they do give you some sort of grace period. As for transferring the number, that I'm not sure of, but I would like to know this as well.
[Epic 4G General] dzl:
I really want to know if porting the number is possible during that grace period cause I'm about to flash the 00001 prl and go to town lol
[Epic 4G General] CogDancer:
Thanks for screwing Sprint out of a few extra bucks. After all, they're a big company, so going back on your word purely because it's convenient for you doesn't hurt anyone, right? Never mind the fact that Sprint is the only major provider that treats its customers with any respect, they're already struggling to maintain that level of service, and the cost will inevitably get passed on to other customers.

You are why we can't have nice things. Your morals are bad and you should feel bad.
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
so true but it is sprints fault as well its their actions and decisions that got in the spot they are.
[Epic 4G General] Zeinzu:
Eleborate.

Sent from my SPH-D700 CM9 4.0.4
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Oh...the horror...the horror!
[Epic 4G General] nvertigo:
from what OP said

"My phone has unlimited data and no roaming I explained at which point she told me that I used more than the average data user uses and Sprint has the right to cancel my contract at anytime!"

not sure about the PRL stuff, but as far as tethering or just using a ton of data until they kick you out for "using more than the average user" it's hard to feel bad about using too much data when it's their choice to cancel contract or not after advertising unlimited data. they shouldn't advertise unlimited data and then go around kicking people off for using more data than usual.

also sprint's data has gotten ridiculously ****ty (relatively) since two years ago. it's sad when your competitor's 3g rapes your 4g and your 3g is more like edge. i came here because they had the first 4g and good phones and promised a bright future but look at us now
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
What AT&T calls 4G around here is slower than Sprint's 3G so every carrier sucks in one way or another. It does not justify violating terms and conditions and then complaining when they cancel contract.
[Epic 4G General] orlzzt:
Most of you guys on this thread have obviously never dealt with a "contract", or "terms & conditions". Sprint's unlimited data plan IS unlimited; WITHIN THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT THAT YOU SIGN!!! Remember checking out at the register, and they ask you to sign the electronic pad?? That's NOT because they think you might be famous some day! You are agreeing to the T&C's of the contract!

Now,if you bring your attorney with you, and he persuades the clerk to call Dan Hesse and get the "excessive data clause" waived; more power to you. Otherwise, you are indicating that you agree with and will abide by the terms of service language in the contract. When you go to AT&T or Big Magenta or Rogers Wireless or wherever you think the grass is greener, you'll do the same thing and agree to the same terms.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Actually, I did this. I used 4G in Baltimore to download a buttload of ROMs, videos and more over several weekends, no issue at all.

That said, I made sure I didnt tether in any way, and was not roaming.

One weekend did about 15gb, the other three around 20gb.

No issues or worries, and all 100% within my TOS, I even called Sprint and checked with them, they looked over my data, and said, yup, its all good! For the most part, if it all comes via your phone, and only TO your phone, you have very little to worry about.

On the other hand, if you use the "hacked" hotspot more than a VERY little amount, dont be surprised Sprint drops you a line, after all, the "hacked" version is correctly, and legally, considered "stealing" from Sprint, as you are pirating a paid service for free.

The hotspot is a seperate service NOT included in the basic phone plan, so it is not part of the "unlimited" contract you agree to when you sign up with Sprint for your phone.

If you use the "hacked" hotspot, no matter for how little data, Sprint is 100% within their rights to cancel your contract, as you have legally broken the TOS you agreed to, when you signed up for your phone's plan with Sprint.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
it is totally sprint's fault you use hacked hotspots and prl's
[Epic 4G General] hayzooos:
Sprint has been the number one (of the big four at least) in customer service the past few years I believe. It's for good reason. Sure, they made a judgement call picking Wimax over LTE a few years back and we know now it was the wrong call. I'm sure they made the best call they could with the data they had at that point in time. As they say, hindsight is always 20/20.

If Network Vision pans out the way the plan on it, assuming they market it well and have data to prove it, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sprint becomes the #2 nationwide carrier, if not #1.

If they can keep their rate plans where they are (and that's a big 'if' considering the massive cost this Network Vision deployment must be costing them) and keep truly unlimited data, there should be no reason for anyone to stick with AT&T or Verizon if you ask me...
[Epic 4G General] Solandri:
Technically, they did provide you with unlimited service -- you were not charged extra for your >90 GB that month. They just opted to discontinue your contract.

The car dealer analogy would be offering unlimited coffee whenever you get your oil changed at the dealer. They would be well within their rights to refuse to change your oil anymore if you "abused" the unlimited coffee offer in their opinion.

I agree it's sleazy advertising, but as long as they don't charge you any extra for your data usage, they've fulfilled their "unlimited" obligation. Whether either party chooses to renew/continue the contract is a separate matter.
[Epic 4G General] orlzzt:
See, that's where I have a problem...it is NOT "sleazy"! Sleazy would be for AT&T to say "come to us, and we'll continue your unlimited data!" And thben when you got there said "psych!! Pay $10 a gig, like everyone else!"

When you go on their website, read their newspaper ads, what do you see at the end of the "unlimited data" ad??

This-> *

The asterisk means a footnote. The footnote will explain the conditions and/or limitations. ALL advertisements have it. Phones. Cars. TV's. Houses.

We just don't take time to read "the fine print". Its why God (or Satan depending on who you ask) made lawyers. They read that crap and make sense of it.
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
I was only 7 months into my Sprint contract since I bought Epic 4G on release day 8/31/2010 then switched to Verizon HTC Thunderbolt on release day 3/17/2011. I negotiated with them because WIMAX was weak where it would continually connect/disconnect even near an upper floor window at work and at home they stated that I would have to stand outside my house to get signal. Like I mentioned it was worth the $75 ETF to jump to Verizon LTE because I get much better download and upload throughput and latency than best case on Sprint WIMAX, coverage pretty everywhere even inside buildings, unlimited data and a total monthly bill of $60. As for upgrading phones on Verizon without losing grandfathered unlimited data I always see good deals on Craigslist so that's a non-issue for now. Actually, someone local is selling a pebble blue and also a white Verizon Galaxy S III 32GB but I think I'll wait towards end of year for the big phone announcements especially more Nexus Jelly Bean phones with preferably Exynos or Tegra over Snapdragon.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
And these are all perfect reasons for locking bootloaders and closing source? Having this ability is a privilege.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
A result from people tethering too much: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1756483
[Epic 4G General] dzl:
boo hoo get your panties out of the bunch theyre in.

tell me you've never used the hotspot/usb tethering in CM, or the hacked hotspot that comes with pretty much every other rom thats made for the E4G.

christ, you act like you never played the game of getting a little extra because you know how.
[Epic 4G General] flastnoles11:
Not a big deal to use it once in a while... but over 20 gigs a month tethering is ridiculous and should get you canceled from contract imo....

Sent from my SPH-D700 using Xparent ICS Blue Tapatalk 2
[Epic 4G General] dzl:
duh...kind of the point. sprints 3g is so slow in 90% of cases, I don't think I'd ever be able to rack up 20G/mo on their network, hence the need to roam to get it done. currently sprint's 3g is currently not worth $90/mo IMO, and don't even talk about their nonexistant 4g network (yet), even though I pay an extra $10/mo for "premium data". don't say I "should have known" either. They advertise they have ulimited data, yet its so paintfully slow to do anything meaningful with...
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
I guess I am in that 10% area then where my Sprint 3G is much faster than what AT&T calls 4G. My guess is Sprint will LTE in this area way before AT&T does. And good luck for anyone doing 20GB a month on those other capped networks...what would that be? An extra $100 per month in overages?
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
Umm.... no, this simply isn't true.

Packet sizes are driven by the application itself (doesn't matter if the app is running on an android, i-thing, pc, mac, etc...) up to the maximum allowed governed by the limitations of the layer 2 and layer 3 technologies being used, hence MTU.... Then comes fragmentation, window size, and other **** of that nature which I don't have time to go into right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit

Packet size doesn't mean anything in this scenario. Having an app tweak packet size is handy in tuning applications for best performance based on individual needs, but for identifying what your doing, its fairly useless. However, providers can very easily capture packet headers and know what your doing and with a little more hard drive space, they can just as easily capture the whole payload and have that much more detail (within reason - I won't get into encryption here).

^^ This is more likely... If you use a ton of data, they'll just boot ya... However, I do think they watch some amount of headers to know what's going on within their network - I know I do on the networks I manage.
[Epic 4G General] danipoak:
Can they tell what browser you are using?
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
Yes, has nothing to do with packet size though. Very easily found by sucking packet headers down and parsing them.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Ok, just googled and read 10 articles on how carriers can tell and you are correct in it being packet content. If a user shows above average usage, they may start inspecting the packets for content and then they would know the difference between a tetherer and a cell phone youtube junkie.
[Epic 4G General] Speedin07si:
Did you not have 30 days to try sprint risk free? If the data is so slow where you are you should of left within the 30 days of your contract.

Also there has been a couple times sprint has changed their tos and people could cut bake and leave.

Sent from My Epic Ice Cream Sandwich With Sprinkles!!!
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
The only viable counter point I can think of is that big businesses will often lie about the cause of problems to delay their customers from jumping ship - Sprint may have had some believable explanation (tower maintenance, anyone?) to convince him that the poor reception was a transient issue rather than the norm

Not that the tower maintenance claim is always BS, mind you - but if it was true as often as they made that claim, the network should be a beast by now ;)
[Epic 4G General] dzl:
oh i'm sorry, I had a sliver of hope that Sprint might actually build out their network to benefit the increased amount of customers and/or increased amount of smartphones... you know - like maybe putting up more towers, or *gasp* upgrading their backbone links between the towers and the internet WAN.

sorry for having a little faith.
[Epic 4G General] retailguy:
So, the next logical question then, is, can you disguise the packet headers in some way that it wouldn't be obvious that you were tethering?

Sounds like a good idea for an app...
[Epic 4G General] dzl:
not unless you want to see the cell phone version of websites all the time lol.

packet inspection is very easy.
[Epic 4G General] danipoak:
What about those who opt for the full version sites on their phones? I'm one of them. I hate hate hate mobile sites.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Bottom line is don't go crazy with tethering. If you are not consistently going over like 5 GB tethering every month they won't have a reason to look closely at your account.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Nicely put!! :good:
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
Maybe with ssh tunneling from the phone to a server that is outside of Sprint's network... but the tradeoffs may make that somewhat pointless...
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Agreed, but even then I don't know if they'd make a stink. I don't know if the OP ever copped to his usage, but I think you guys would be appalled at what some people use. I worked on the network at my college, and did lots of p2p research to try and solve our issues. Almost everything I read, and in our findings, there's a handful of people who used as much traffic as the rest of campus combined.

5 gigs is probably nothing. I'm willing to bet the top 5-10% of Sprint customers on these forums outdo the rest of us combined. Some of us got in an argument once with a guy who was bragging about routinely going over 100 gigs. (Basically our point was "you're the reason we can't have nice things," and his was "deeeeeeerp unlimited means I can deeeeeeeeerp," which, to be fair, as far as the internet is concerned, was a fairly well thought out response.)
[Epic 4G General] orlzzt:
I think Sprint is well within their rights to cancel anyone who abuses the privilege. Let them go to AT&T and see their bill. Or better yet, go to Verizon and get one of their crap-ass locked bootloader phones. My friends on AT&T routinely pay $100+ per month in data overages, especially with all the stupid iPhones they have on their plan.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Yeah, I don't really see it as misleading at all. The difference is fairly obvious, even if not agreed to in the fine print. We pay for unlimited data, and we get unlimited data. There is no amount of data we can use where we'll incur additional charges. That's what's unlimited. Sprint, however, isn't therefor obliged to take it up the keister from people that are abusing it. They aren't sending any of these people extra bills, they're just telling them to take their business elsewhere.