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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
You admit right in your own statement "different radio", all software is written to the hardware in the device, so different radio is by default, different. ATT validated OS means there was some amount testing to ensure customer service is not inundated with help calls. Yep bloated, slow, but proper OS that can be turned into very stable custom ROM. Plus visited the Samsung Poland web site and nothing about Note receiving JB today, but all sort of news on how Note II has JB and the premium package.

However, the point of my original post was few weeks back ATT Note was on the Jelly Bean update web page and today I notice no longer listed. Which means, not good news for us.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] willmaister:
good news

Rogers still have galaxy note on their update to jelly bean list
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
Sooo flashing a different modern would keep you from installing the Canadian version of jb of it was to be released? Alrighty then.....

And I don't think that AT&T would be getting many help calls as a result of installing the Canadian variant considering that one would need to root their AT&T notes and those who do so would know better than to call up AT&T about whatever issues they encounter in the process.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
I have to say that if the removal of the Note from that site is anything more than a mistake, then I highly doubt that we will see a Canadian release of JB. Could they actually be having a problem getting the hardware for the American Note to play nice with JB?

If that is the case, and Samsung is slowly trying to lower everyone's expectation's for an update, this would be a classic way to do it - by just serepticiously updating a little read page on their site pertaining to which phones will be receiving the update...

I have a REALLY bad feeling about this....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
I'm sure a lot of people on this forum owned an Infuse. I'm really surprise as to how this device got JB 4.2 with out getting official JB before us. :crying:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1776129
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Do apologize if my statement caused confusion, was saying ATT official release would mean some sort of ATT testing occured to limit service desk calls after "the official update". Meaning what works for the Candian version is just that, works because it was vetted prior to the update for that particaular phone and carrier. Having been around IT from the punch card to the SDD today, nothing is ever as simple as "just using the correct modem" with another varient of the same OS. Too many times come into work looking at the ole blue screen of death after our IT folks pushed seemless to the user patches......

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True I get what you are saying, however BIG NEWS is Poland is getting the JB push as of today, went to the Samsung Polish site and nothing about JB it was all ICS. With same highlight that Note II has JB with premium package. Personally, think ICS is all we are going to receive for our Note II Beta model AKA ATT I717 Galaxy Note.

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Please post that link.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
yes please post the link... and i dont think that will be exscluded its just going to take a lot longer than we think given att has to add all of their crap to jb

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and just to add if the Canadian note has exactly the same hardware but different radio it should be easy enough (if need be) to flash the proper radio but that shouldnt be necessary theoretically.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
Oops
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] willmaister:
add d details to d link

communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/thread-id/355?device-view=desktop
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Ok, now go to Samsung's Canadian site, look up the JB schedule like the one I posted and link it here. Would like to see what Samsung thinks of the future of Note II Beta (AKA SGH-I717).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DARKCHYLDX101:
At&t developers keynote on Monday at noon. Maybe they'll announce jb for the Galaxy Note. Plus a few devices.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Where CES? They are not going to talk about the Galaxy Note II Beta model (AKA Note we have). They are going to talk about next gen phones beyond SIII and Note II, tablets, U-TV and 4G implemenation that will never happen.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
On the day after boxing day (Dec 27) , I visited the Bell mobility store in the Eaton center up here in Toronto. A nice young lady was showing off the note 2. She was from Samsung not Bell. When I asked her when we would be getting the JB update on our original note, she promptly pulled out her own first gen note and said " I wish...there are no plans to bring JB to our notes..."

I didn't come on here and report that conversation as , at the time, I never even gave it a scintila of credence.

I thought ....This girl is VERY young....She can't possibly know what she is talking about...She is trying to hawk the note 2...

In hindsight, I am now freaking out!

I have never had a desire to go on Twitter, but I understand that it is the way that the young people of today get things done...If someone can point me in the direction of a concerted effort via these means whereby we can compel Samsung to do the right thing, I will look into getting an account and add my name to an online petition.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] leo5111:
dont worry doesnt mean anything for sure, some companys the employees are told anything ahead of time
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
Why do you keep referring to the SGH-I717 Galaxy Note as the Galaxy Note II Beta model? The Note 2 and our Note are two different phones with our note being a variant of the N7000 international, perhaps you could call the N7000 beta to the I717 but even that is not correct.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
lol, very true. completely different device entirely. Never would anyone at Samsung say that they are betas for another. If the canadians get the update that would be enough for me, because im sure the Devs would be able to work with it. Right now our forum is a grave yard.....little to no activity. Kind of boring honestly. Never in my right mind would I ever thought I would get bored not having something new to flash and test out. All well, Im sure it will pick up soon. ;D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Because that is what our Note is Beta of Note II, everything on our Note was testing of the Note II, tell me what the Note II has that you cannot say was first worked on the SGH-I717? So by default the SGH-I717 was the beta of SGH-I317, you can get all offended that you want, but that those are the facts. We are owners of the Beta model of Note II and until we choose to pay full price for a new phone or wait till upgrade time we are stuck with it.

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Am with you had a better time with my Dell Streak than the Note II Beta I own now. Was way more fun, flashing and almost bricking than this phone. Really at the end of the day, for the time period, should have went with SIII way more options in the custom ROM world than for the Note II beta.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
What are you talking about? The note i717 was never ever called a beta from anyone at Samsung. They are competely different hardware and everything, nothing is the same. Thats like saying the inspire was the beta for the i717, completely different devices. I work in the wireless industry and not once ever heard anyone call it that. Don't just assume, get proof.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
By your logic, most all phones are betas because there's always a newer version that is better than the last. If you don't like it, go get a iPhone. lol. I just don't get why your trying to convince everyone that our phone is a "bata".

"So by default", your point is... well,...... pointless
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jagpoag:
Just going to post this once more.............who cares if Poland got the update on any given date? The update is obviously on the way and there is nothing anyone can do but wait for it at this point. All of this going back and forth about what is a beta, when the update is coming and what country gets it first is absurd. Anyway, here is the link to Samsung's OFFICIAL website for the Galaxy Note showing what is coming in the update. When will it hit the i717? WHO KNOWS. What I do know is this thread isn't going to make it happen any faster at all.

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/benefit.html?type=find
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Since you just stopped me from continuing to disable Java with your inane comment and link to a page that is useful as pimple on my behind. I posted the "official SAMSUNG USA UPDATE ROSTER WHICH DOES NOT HAVE OUR NOTE II BETA MODEL LIST ANYMORE". Anymore means it was there, but no longer is there.

Our Note is the beta of Note II like it or not, before Sammy invested huge dollars into a very expensive 5.3" screen with quad core processor. They had to figure out what we the user wanted after the dismal sales of the 1st Phablet the mighty Dell Streak (great phone by the way). So they developed the GT-N7000 for the international community and modded it for US into the SGH-I717 to gage user opinion with limited liability to their stockholder's. "Well we were not the only fools to make a large screen device, Dell did too, we just thought ours was better." If it failed they had SIII coming so no harm, no foul. Sammy quickly dropped the Note II on the streets when they realized that we love the Phablet. Hence the lack of JB, the lack of any recognition on the any of the sites, it is SIII and Note II all day long. You can cry, you can moan, you can call me names, but you cannot say our Note was nothing more than a test of what users wanted and now we are stuck with it. By the way how many of SGH-I717 did Sammy sell? And we still are not going to get JB? Again think about it?

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No convincing on my part, I stated how I feel and must have struck a very sensitive nerve......... You can agree or disagree and I will still have my coffee and finally get around to disabling Java.... By the way a iphone is the true beta of beta, still the love commercial when guy goes Kaboom about the plug moving to the bottom, just a really great commercial.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rambo90:
vanemburghj,

Sorry me, but I think that you wrote delirium.

Why does the Samsung SGH-i727 Galaxy S II Skyrocket have jelly bean leaks?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
You just don't get it. You have mistaken this thread as your own personal place to express your opinion of the device. Go start your own thread or better yet, start a BLOG outside of XDA for that. Take another look at the title of this thread to remind yourself of the purpose of this thread.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
You seem to be very confused as to what the word "Beta" means in the software/mobile Industry. The Note is no more "Beta" to the Note II than a F-16 tomcat is to a F-18. The Samsung Galaxy Note was a huge success for Samsung they released a statement about selling 10 million units worldwide that include all models and variants (GT-I9220;GT-N700;SHV-E160,s,l,k;GT-I9228;SCH-I889;SCH-I717,r,l,d;SGH-T879;GT-N7005; ect. some had different chip sets exynos or QUALCOMM, different hardware buttons, NFC or no NFC, different radios and modem for LTE GSM CDMA).You can not get sales numbers for specific models since Samsung no longer releases this info in it's quartly reports since July of 2011 and the 1st Galaxy Note was released in Oct of 2011. In the US Samsung was in talks to sell the Note on Verizon (Verizon Journal), T-Mobile (SGH-T879), and AT&T (SGH-I717). Since the Note was new type of phone and there was no real market data AT&T took a small risk and struck a deal to purchase 1 million units and have a 6 month exclusive in the US after this Verizon pulled out and after 6 months T-Mobile sold the Note. Because of the success of the Note Samsung released the Note II and would not make any exclusive deals with any carriers since there was a market and demand was high for the device. As far as JB update Samsung has to make it for that models hardware config. and then release it to the carrier who decides if they will bother to add their bloatware and release it to their customers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
While I find the repeated reference to the note as a "beta" piece of hardware a bit childish. I understand the frustration that this guy is feeling and it doesen't, in my mind, take away from an important point he illustrated in his original post.

Why has Samsung removed the Note from the list of phones to be upgraded on that site?

One has to expect that when they jump into the market for a new phone that said phone will be replaced by a "new and improved' model within six months. They should further realize that the arrival of the newer model necessarily will slow down updates for their current model so that sales of the new models are not hampered...frustrating, but understandable...that's just business.

However, competley Sh1tcanning an update of a phone that sold 10 million units (yeah, I know Samsung's numbers are a wildly inflated) in a relatively short time frame is NOT good business.

If Samsung pulls out of this, I will never buy another Samsung product again. I think as the smart phone market matures, people will have to start paying attention to how companies treat their legacy users.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zonyl:
We already got an os upgrade from ginger to ICS. Not too many US carrier models have ever gotten two and that is industry norm.

There are really two types of android phones: Nexus and not nexus. The difference should be obvious.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
Blah blah blah, get back on topic.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Sorry.....didn't mean to piss off a moderator like yourself...You , of course are right...the topic of the thread has to do with announcements pertaining to the release of JB on the note and we are here discussing a page which may be announcing that it may NOT be released...

Your mature and well thought out comments make it clear (even to a dunce like me) that this development is not relevant to the discussion... Thanks for having me on your board and I'm sorry once again for breaking your rules...will try to figure out in future what YOU may feel is appropriate before posting in the future...

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Point taken..if they would only make a nexus phone with the note's screen size, I would be in...sigh..

DOH! I think this post just broke Ltilt2's rules....sorry
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Disagree. Even my Captivate got 2 OS updates ON AT&T. Also, that phone was considered AT&T's first serious Android phone, I'd think after 3 years their Android support would only grow.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sizemore2000:
That's funny cause my old captivate is running 4.2.1 flawlessly!:eek: Our note is behind!:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Yeah, great phone but my speaker broke :( but then I upgraded to the Note :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
The thing that really worries me is there has been no leak for any I717 model, international has one and we had one for ICS a few month before official JB release.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
SamMobile posted this today, means nothing but frustration:

"- UPDATE NEWS - Just chill and be happy Samsung will update your GALAXY SII and Note to Android 4.1.2 included new Touch-Wiz Nature UX.

Samsung started since December the development of Android 4.2.1 updates Galaxy S III #SGS3 1/2.

Android 4.2.1 also for the Samsung Galaxy Note II 2/2. Release begin Q2."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] phubarr:
When Samsung says they're going to release an update, it is for the (unbranded) international model, not the branded models sold by US carriers (AT&T/T-Mobile). And, unfortunately for us, the hardware on the international model is so different than AT&T's model, the ROM is not able to be ported. Different processors completely.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
Yep, thats why I said "Frustration".
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
I say we can wait around until they suddenly announce that they are not supporting our phones and then get angry or we can mobilize now and make it known that we expect at least one more upgrade...We just need to figure out which is the most effective way to do this..ie the way to make them feel it on the bottem line...Perhaps an online petition indicating that future purchases will be made with Samsungs update track record in mind...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
wow on all the respnses

Just threw what I said as lark (and because like all of you am frustrated on the whole jelly bean thing). Did not realize I that I was affecting folks like a dentist doing a double root canal without Novocain. If it happens it happens if not bunch of custom ROMs that can scratch the itch are available for us to use.

In closing will remain serious (and on topic) in all my future postings.......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] android4545:
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...ate-supposedly-rolling-out-officially-147569/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
International version. This is a non-story for AT&T Note.

Also, really? That's a story? One guy says it's rolling out, then a bunch say it isn't, so they write a story about it? Terrible report.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MercilessLTD:
I normally don't reply about such stories negatively, but I agree. The biggest issue I have with the article is that the title is a bit misleading, since when you read the article, it's clear that one man allegedly received the update versus the rest of the country that is still waiting.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 1tontomato:
I got curious about when jelly bean might be coming to our phones and read the last five pages, and this is how I feel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
Glimmer of Hope

So the Samsung Galaxy S 2 is in the same boat we are (it's update was also taken down from the Samsung JB update page) but it looks like next month it will get it official through Samsung Kies. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-to-be-Jelly-Beaned-next-month_id38750
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
So you are saying a phone released roughly four months before our Note will receive JB before we do? So does that mean we will receive JB update roughly four months after the S 2? Meaning if the article you linked is correct, we could be seeing something soon about a May/June release date......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vpkb:
Just root and flash jb thats been out for a while now. No TW if you really want that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
he said she said

No you said that, what I said was in my post. I'm thinking that if they release the S2 update in Singapore next month perhaps along with that they will release the Note update along with it hopefully. At the very least I hope they make an update for the Hong Kong variant N7005 (since that was launched in Sept 2012) from there we can use that rom for TWJB or most stable JB (well no working NFC) on our Note I717 but that is just my little dream. Trying really hard to keep hope alive.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
This is wat sammy told me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rambo90:
Can you ask them about N7005
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
You'll get the same response no matter what.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
That is why I asked, am with you, trying to keep hope alive is getting to be difficult. Don't understand the close hold, but guess that is normal business practice.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jamesyboy:
First, thank you--and your family for your service.

The update will come. The posturing from folks here, as well as from Samsung is par for the course. Tight hold is as good as it gets. Things were similarly murky for the ICS release; the difference being that we had someone leaking the development builds. The official information was almost exactly similar to what we've seen for this update as well. I haven't seen numbers, but the North American variants sold well. If the international device, and other devices, like the Note 10.1 are getting the update, it's Highly (with a capital H) likely we'll see it on our device as well.

Hold tight, it will be here when it gets here.

Note: in the chat that the user here posted , Sammy says they won't speculate on "when" the device will get the update...if you're looking for every bit of detail, we should look at past behavior as well. And the talk sounds like the talk we get for an updatable device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] drousseau:
Rogers update to 4.1 delayed late feb.

As much as I like my GNote this is probably my last non-nexus device. :(

http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/thread-id/355
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BiscuitBee:
Late Feb? Doh. I was hoping they would just change it to late January, then early Feb, then late Feb.

You know, to keep stringing us along.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
I actually view this as somewhat positive news...at least they didn't remove the note from the list altogether like on the American site...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mark_20:
I agree 100%, this is probably my last non-Nexus device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rambo90:
I keep your mind too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PaulF8080:
I'm thinking of not doing JB because it removes USB mass storage mode. Any news of an alternative to mass storage mode on JB?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] fguerra024:
Looks like jumping ship to the GT-N7000 was a fantastic decision! Keeping my hopes up you guys actually get JB sometime down the line, I learned alot around the the i717 parts of this forum. In case you have the option, the International Note has a pretty awesome development backing and the numerous amounts of official stock JB leaks means there are many great roms running multiwindow and all that jazz. I am loving it :laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DARKCHYLDX101:
Jellybean for Rogers galaxy note i717r coming Febuary . Supposed to be January but pushed to next month.

Edit..Oh someone posted it before I did.:)

http://www.androidauthority.com/rogers-jelly-bean-update-razr-hd-galaxy-note-others-148648/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mejori:
pardon my ignorance as i was not aware that it was in JB..thanks for trying ...soon....sooooon!!!!:eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
No worries, all I have done so far is try to install if from my sd card, but I know with system apps I can put it in to my systems/apps folder in my root internal memory and refresh cache/permissions and reboot to get new system apps. I was just wondering if anyone has tried it yet to see if they work before I try doing that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Won't work. Track this thread for progress:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28018494
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
Just found this thread, thought I would share not sure if it helps.

Assist porting of Android 4.1 (Jellybean) to ICS devices

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28022460#post28022460
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DarknessTM:
What if they new jb was coming all this time...and instead of ICS...we get bumped to JB...would be nice.