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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
It's not written anywhere and in the past, with consumer electronics, that has always been the business model. This year's model of a certain TV, car, etc had features that were a spec bump from the previous years model. Companies were under no obligation to provide a software upgrade for the new features and weren't expected to.

My position is that the smart phone industry represents something of a paradigm shift. The fact that virtually EVERY smart phone receives at least one android upgrade from the version it starts out with is proof that even the manufacturers recognize this. The fact that the first company to really catapult and blow the doors off this market ( the one that rhymes with Snapple) puts out an upgrade to its os every year to great fanfare is a recognition that companies see some indirect monetary return on upgrading legacy devices.

IMHO, the degree to which consumers weigh this variable in their future purchases will have an effect on how much emphasis manufacturers place on future proofing their devices.

To the person who feels that the average consumer doesn't care about upgrades, I feel that you are grossly misjudging the market. The first time somebody saw the gee whiz factor of siri..Google had to ramp up development of google now..The product cycle is getting shorter and shorter and the kids that these products are geared towards will always want the latest and greatest...I'm not tied to android, I'm not a fanboy so I have no problem admitting that in this respect (and maybe only this respect) Apple may have the right idea....flame suit on...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
Couldn't agree more

+1 100% agree. :good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] M.Barakat:
Well people will never be happy, until they choose to do so.

And it is good advice to stick to mainstream products non of the AT&T any more for me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
ATT? Has your N7000 received an OFFICIAL JB update yet?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] taz44410:
All this wineing about updates but did you all expect Microsoft to just give you windows 8

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I'm guessing not

I want jb just as much as the next guy but I also realise that companies are driven by profit

Having said that they should at least offer it for a price
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
While it would piss off many, I would pay for an update...I mean, we all make contributions to our devs when we use their work....RIGHT?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] geekygirl74:
I do see how the manufacturers and telcos depend on profits and I see their point of view. However as most of us are in 2 year contracts and they don't want handsets unlocked I feel that a product should receive the most current updates in the 2 year agreement. I mean really just because a new device is in already on the drawing board when they release one doesn't mean you don't take care of those customers. This was my first time on a contract in about 10 years because I wanted the note, but after this whole song and dance I'm getting off the roller coaster. I'm no longer up in arms, just resolved.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
Agree, It's already calculated in the price of the handset.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] pbk105:
I don't know what you're talking about. Android 5.0 is Key Lime pie and Pi lasts to infinity. Obviously, 5.0 will be the last OS you will ever need.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
with that logic the Asus Transformer Infinity is the best tablet EVAR! :laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
agreed fully...

In Canada our contracts are generally three years at that.

People act like as if you are "giving it new features", but it is no different then getting windows 7 and getting os updates (which you frequently do) with bugfixes and stuff.

A major one being project butter.

People are consumer whores though, so things will never change.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
The fact is if this phone is still being sold at face value there is no reason y it shudnt get an upgrade I'd understand if the value dropped but obviously Samsung thinks its a good enough phone to have not have a drastic price change
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] captmiddy:
While I can certainly appreciate how some people see a difference in business model, but it is actually the manufacturers fault for not sticking to a hardware model long enough to be able to maintain upgrades with their older designs. Not that I want an iPhone in fact I just bought a Nexus 4 so i can stop complaining about Samsung's updates, but look at the iPhone model. They still give upgrades to the iPhone 3GS, a 4 year old phone. These are extremely expensive devices, buying into a brand and continuing to upgrade in that brand depends on that brand standing behind their products.

And to say that the average user doesn't want upgrades probably isn't true, many people who use smartphones want to connect up to their office systems and use these to keep in touch with work in a way that may help them to not be at work all the time. Many corporations are not going to be happy with you running 3 year old software on your phone that hasn't seen a security update in almost as long. By the time the Galaxy Note reaches that 2 year block where most people can get an upgrade again, the software on it will be 3 years old for people who acquired the phone just before the Notes II came out. In security sense that is way too long. So while yes, the individual doesn't necessarily directly care if it is JB or ICS, they do care that their phones remain viable tools for use where they want to.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 21productionz:
Those people are not average users. A majority of android owners use android because their phone was free or cheap with their contract.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] pbk105:
I disagree with that unless you can back up that statement with numbers. We've all seen cell phones from other brands on for sale at the low end. It was never just Android.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] geekygirl74:
This is my point exactly, you don't go out and replace your computer when each update comes out, you just download the update and keep moving on. Seriously Microsoft still supported XP for around 10 yrs.

And as much as I'm anti-Apple, my 3G iPod touch has the same OS as the newest one, for free, that's what I expect when I invest over 200.00 of my hard earned money.

I love Andoid, and as soon as a Nexus device with over a 5 inch screen comes out, I'm going that way. But after these 2 years are up with AT&T no more contracts for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
Damn! this thread is still open?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
Yep, and has nothing to do with its original intent. Now it's just a debate thread. How unfortunate...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Logic717:
SII just got JB roll out from Bell today... Praying we get the same soon...

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/14...ly-bean-update-for-the-galaxy-s-ii-gt-i9100m/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Daman09:
Just to clarify something, the perhaps earliest release for the i717's JB update will be later this month from Telus? If so, that's fantastic. Hopefully the Jellybean source for the i717 helps fix a bunch of the problems present in CM10 and 10.1.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
I completely agree with you, when I sink my cash on a device I expect it to last the contract. I find it silly that manufactures aren't supporting their devices for much longer than 6 months. I recall in the past google issued a statement saying they wanted manufacturers to support their devices for at least a year, but I don't see that happening.

Wouldn't it be grand if google started unifying the design of android? What I mean is, one kernel allowing the loading of multiple different drivers depending on the hardware basically giving manufactures the ability to write drivers for their hardware and not having to focus on building entire kernels. Allow their users to decide if they want to run a modified kernel on their hardware or use the whatever they come up with. A modular design allowing for higher customization while still being functional and allowing manufactures to have their little tweaks and bloatware. Ahh I can dream right?

Also I'm not 100% with you when it comes to jumping to a Nexus, I still want a phone with an SD slot but from the looks what the engineers are cooking up that isn't going to happen with a Nexus:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/

It's the internet, rabbit holes are bound to occur. But I also agree we should get back on topic. so to attempt to contribute I searched the web for any news on a JB OTA. nadda, so here's something completely unrelated. Enjoy :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXN-1DUd3Q
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Left the Note (also known as B4) for Note 2 (or as I like to call the device B4 always wants to be). However, do hope the B4 community does receive your OTA to JB at the end of the month.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
?

So long, still not sure what you are referring to.:confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
I like the star trek reference if thats wat u were going for
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] chunsaa:
N7000 finally just got their 4.1.2 update starting today so hopefully we will get ours soon. Check sammobile for reference.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] happy2000hk:
Yeah we will get it eventually. Be patient. Can't wait for multi Window and the cool things our community will do with it once released.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] scoutsdoitbetter:
Yep it's official! Just a matter of our stupid phone companies pushing it out to us after they do what they want with it first.

http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...ficially-rolling-out-Android-4-1-2-Jelly-Bean
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Once again, people need to take these latest announcements for what they are. That is that jellybean is finally rolling out on a completely different phone months after it was announced.

This news is as signifigant to us as the announcement that an HTC x1 or Sony xperia phone is getting the update as the international version of the note is A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PHONE! It has a different chip set , modem and radio.

We, on the other hasnd , do not even have an official announcement from Samsung that we will be getting the update.

Just to recap...what we have is Samsung PULLING THE NORTH AMERICAN NOTE OFF OF THEIR LIST OF PHONES TO RECEIVE JELLYBEAN and two Canadian carriers listing it as coming...

While we would all love to see the canucks pull through, it is unlikely....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Shagerty:
As sad as it is. Its not an N7000, it is an SGH-I717. Completely different phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
We have JB 4.2 on our i717 without any major issues or bugs whatsoever -- it's called CM10.1. Waiting or worrying about an official release from AT&T has become entirely pointless...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
not for people that want the full stock spen functionality.

I love how people can speak for everyone

also possibly multi window and other goodies.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] leo5111:
thanks i ALLMOST died laughing, i respect what the rom cooks have been able to do with no source but their roms will get ALOT better with source drivers :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Wow..man, as much as I appreciate the work of the devs, including your own, I gotta say your kinda way off base here bro..lol my phone just randomly rebooted as I was getting ready to post...

If your saying its pointless to wait because Samsung will not come through for us then sadly...you may have a point.. but if you are saying its pointless because the devs already have us there...then I think you'd be hard pressed to even have THEM agree with you..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Of course source would help... I just hope you all aren't waiting for full Spen just to enjoy JB. There are plenty of market apps that duplicate nearly full Spen functionality, including gestures, screenshot doodling, notes, etc.

About the only thing I can imagine waiting for its the multi-window functionality, but that isn't even confirmed for our official versions of JB.

As for CM10.1 being ready, the ONLY problem I still have is broken hotspot. Using Jamie's latest builds, I'm not experiencing ANY other major bugs or reboots of any sort...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
What about mp3 ringtones and alarms on first playback after reboot?

The first playback will simply not play after a reboot. Really bad if the phone spontaneously reboots overnight (and then I don't wake up on time).

Sometimes it only happens with the alarms and other times it happens with both alarms and ringtones for me on pretty much every JB ROM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SKyRocKeting727:
Way to kick us while we are down. Anyways, saying that Samsung is pulling the i717 off the jellybean list without any credited source MAKES YOUR STATEMENT INVALID and more of an opinion. The whole point of the announcement is now there's a "possibility"of getting official Jellybean 4.1.2 for the i717 Note. In the past, there were people like you doubting that we wouldn't get official 4.0 Ice cream sandwich...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Fappa:
This might solve your problem btw

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2145252

Edit the build.prop with those two changes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Yep, I was going to respond with the same thing. That will fix the initial playback issue for any of your audio apps.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
Gotcha...didn't know that.

Dream Team would be awesome!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zer0nine:
Samsung will be soon announcing which of their devices will be receiving the 4.1 Jelly Bean update.

Article here: http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...statement-on-android-4-1-jelly-bean-upgrades/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] theROMinator:
Damn, you beat me to it lol. I was just about to post this. As of now, the Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note are Samsung's flagship devices. We may see official JB, which would explain the delay for ICS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
That would be awesome!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] slowpc:
Yes I would love it if in July when the nexus and others get released we get it as well right away at least on the n7000
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] babymatteo:
The Note won't get Jellybean until the Note 2 is out. Which is around October or atleast q4. Marketing strategy...its always been like that.

sent from my sexyGnexy with jellybeans
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] theROMinator:
Explains why the Galaxy Tab 10.1 hasn't gotten ICS. Even then, the Tab 2 is already out O_o.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DAGr8:
exatly dont expect the note2 to have jb out of the box

why woudl sammy rush the s3 if jb was comin out soon ..

just so everyone cant wait for the update that will take months to arrive .. just in time for the new device .. and the new os and you can spin the wheel ... unles syou have the mean for your hobby to buy anew phone every 6 months , pick the device you buy carefully , i know all im 'theoretically missing on my note' is more ram ... and that alone aint enoug to justify another device .. the rest of the specs are gonna have to be much much better ...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] theROMinator:
+1 would you recommend the Note now? It has great potential, at least I believe so.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
I was referring to a port not an actually release. Doubt Sammys will release it on the Note any time soon, but on the other hand if enough Devs put the work in to it I could see a port within the next two months. Im ready to donate if thats saying anything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Android The Greek:
I would not be surprised if the galaxy update is dropped mid to end July answer it is the 4.1 update. They still have a let of explaining to do after the whole end of q2 announcement and the problems with the n7000 ics update. If Samsung want to redeem themselves it would make sense that they waited this long to give out 4.1. Not sure if much work would need to be done to get the spent framework to function on 4.1 seeing how its mostly an improvement on ics instead if a full blown redesign

"Since God created man, and man created the Galaxy Note, the Galaxy Note are like a gift from God, Randal!"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
Who knows, I can only hope.

P.S. did you guys hear that Apple has banned the Galaxy Nexus? Its all over the web. I don't know all the details, but it makes me so mad...http://phandroid.com/2012/06/29/gal...on/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] COA4178:
lol a bored conversation

as i said i was bored and decided to go to the samsung page and lived chat with a representative and obviously asked about ics for i717 they said what they say all the time. Att will push it on the upcomming months or so but they got no info or date still. I aswell asked then about JB and they said if anything they will be putting any info in the galaxy note when is available; if is going to be available of course, who knows so dear Sammy and Att! YOU SUCK! lol back to eveyrybody hates chris lol:cyclops:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] xsessive:
is it possible to put flash on jb know that adobe has stop working on it...are they even needed?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
That's a tough call. Depends on if you like being bleeding edge or not. The note will definitely see jellybean, if not key lime pie even if only unofficially. My captivate saw 2.1 (stock, original), 2.2, 2.3, and 4.0. However, the Note 2 will be here within a year, so if you can wait 6 months or so, I would wait for that. The Note definitely has great potential, but if you can wait, the Note 2 will last longer, obviously. The way I see it though, the Note will probably have key lime pie eventually, and by the time the next version of Android after that is out, you would be eligible for upgrade again anyways. If you buy your devices off contract anyways though, it really doesn't matter. The Note is still the best phone out there imho, so it's really up to you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mejori:
hey apple!!! go F^$@ your mother!!

whoa!!!! i f#@&Ing hate apple!!! i bought my step son a friggin iphone only at his request .we have 3 android phones and one apple in my house !!!!i think i shall make it disappear and talk him into a gs3!!! i dont want to sell it and support apple ... i think i will smash it to smithereens!!!damn thats the first time i have ever written/text the word smithereens lol...kinda fun SMITHEREENS!!! :laugh:

sorry i got carried away:D:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mchahn:
> i dont want to sell it and support apple

Selling it would hurt Apple, not help them, because it would possibly rob them of a customer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DesignGrits:
Google Ears ported to all ICS roms

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1742652

JB System Dump

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=27963070#post27963070
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rayandreas:
you rock!!! do your thing, man! smash that thing to smithereenzzzz!!!!Hulk smash it!!! but do it...oh the satisfaction. and then you tube the video of you doing it. make some idrones cry...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mejori:
he is sold!! he wants the galaxy s3 now!!!! :D:D

dont know how reliable this website is but it appears that google is backing samsung in the legal battle !!!

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/07/133_114203.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
Excellent, along with the build.prop MHL output fix if everything works and it stops rebooting every couple of days, I can start using JB haha :good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Yeah.....if you've been following this thread, you'd find that there was a rather large back and forth discussion when one of our members posted the link to samsung's official north american upgrade page. What was notable about his post was that the i717 had been REMOVED from the list where it had previously been counted among the phones that were scheduled to receive jb.

If you choose to go back and find it, the post was made by a guy whose avatar and post script indicates an military affiliation... he has recently left us in favour of the note 2....I think he speaks Klingon...

If you find it then I guess my statement will have a credited source AND THEN IT WILL BE VALID and less of an opinion.

As far as kicking anyone when they're down....We're all in the same boat man...We all want the update but spreading misinformation or believing in fairy tales isn't going to bring it to us...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] TechGoon954:
Samsung rolls out Jelly Bean to original Galaxy Note via Kies and OTA

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/18/galaxy-note-jellybean/

Does this put us any closer?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
nope

Not really for a good TW JB rom we need the source code for our Devices (SCH-I717,r,l,d;SGH-T879;GT-N7005) the code from any of these devices would help us get that although the N7005 you loose NFC since that device does not have the hardware for that so Samsung would not bother including that in software for that model. We do have JB already in CM10.1 but you loose all TW, premium suite, and Spen with that. So any Samsung JB update for SCH-I717,r,l,d;SGH-T879;GT-N7005 will work on all these phones and get us what we want. :cyclops:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
On target it was the Star Trek reference I was going for....B4 Data!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Daman09:
I think it puts us closer. Every major Galaxy Note varient now has 4.1.2 except the i717. That means that their development team can focus on our device. This is definitely good news, my only hope is the gap between international and the AT&T varient isn't two months like it was for ICS. If that leaked telus roadmap is accurate, we will probably have some nice TW JB roms by the end of this month, and possibly the source code for 4.1.2, even if the AT&T version doesn't come out until later.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SKyRocKeting727:
I could not find it. If you happen to find it, please post the link.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
You'd make a great motivational speaker. I mean it. I am going to use this line on my son of he is ever the last person to be picked between two teams to play a game. " Son, being the last one isn't a bad thing, it just means that the teams can now focus on you now that everyone else has been picked". lol

Sent from my Gnote

FJ's CM10.1

Android 4.2.2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jshinn1:
lol it is really convincing until you actually think about then it's like wait a minute...... but I do hope that its true that we can get some focus on our device. Because while I love the JB 4.2 roms Id like to use Sammy's touchwiz 4.2 just for the extra features and then I guess with source when it comes it'll make the AOSP ROMs that much better
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Daman09:
Oh please, there are three main variants of this phone, the North American variant (i717), the international variant (n7000) and the South Korean varient (e160)

The e160 of course got JB first, because Samsung is a Korean company, then the international version got it because its such a LARGE audience. Of course the North American varient is going to get it last, we are a smaller segment of the market than the international segment and North America is probably a lower priority for a South Korean company than South Korea.

I'm not at all surprised at how things turned out, and everyone here needs to stop the whining, seriously.