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[Nook Color General] dparrothead1:
One other downside.....no reason to root right away!!!!:laugh::D:crying:
[Nook Color General] japzone:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review

Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.
[Nook Color General] leapinlar:
The phone GUI on the Nexus is exactly the same as ICS in phone mode. Thin status bar on top and bigger, centered navbar at the bottom. Like I said earlier, I use it and like it. Google said they were trying to streamline and standardize the user experience.

Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk
[Nook Color General] fattire:
Exciting stuff.

Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.

Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.

That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere. :)
[Nook Color General] ganovim:
NC vs Nexus Etc

Hear! Hear! You Certainly have helped make the NC so great.

I would have loved to get a Nexus if it had a sd card slot
[Nook Color General] bigrat:
Would have bought a Nexus 7 today if it would have had an SD card slot. Oh well.
[Nook Color General] slack04:
Preordered 2 of the 16gb models and sold my NC for $115 (w/2g SD) just now. Sooooo.... Here's my last post in the Nook Color forum: Thanks for the fun, devs - see you in the Nexus 7 forum!
[Nook Color General] fattire:
There's a case too...

A quick tip for anyone grabbing a n7-- if you get the case, do it in the same purchase order, and you won't be charged extra for shipping.

If you already ordered before the case made its appearance in the store (as I did earlier today), you can call google, cancel the old order and do a new combined one.

$20 for a custom case is a pretty good deal i think considering that HP was charging $70 or something even AFTER they discontinued the touchpad.

As for the venerable NC-- it was introduced in 2010, remember. And its growing inexpense and SD-bootability make it, I think, still a great, fun device for learning to mess around w/Android without much risk of bricking.

(That said, keep in mind I still think the Apple II is awesome :cyclops:)
[Nook Color General] bornagainpenguin:
The lack of user loadable storage (SDCard) completely destroyed any chance of getting this on my part. I'll probably play with my Nook Color until it either goes bust or something else comes along that is the Nexus + SDCard. This is a disappointing misstep as far as I'm concerned.
[Nook Color General] noregretzzzz:
Man, Fat tire and Dalingrin getting one and who knows what other awesome devs are getting one. I have a strong feeling development on this is going to be epic!
[Nook Color General] Dj-Gutz:
I'll also be getting one as soon as I can ( probably on my trip to europe in august ) :)

Lot's of exciting things

Tho , I still hope kernel 3.x will take a giant step forward soon so I can use the nook as the CarPc replacement I intended it for and my N7 as my fun/development tablet :)

I really hope the PDK will bring some exciting times

one article said they decided to open it to all users instead of just oems - if that's true it might be one of the biggest things ever ( like all-in-all sources library , oem and developers work together )
[Nook Color General] deeper-blue:
As soon as I found a way to order a Nexus 7 from Germany including shipping to Germany I will get one too.

On a side note, I still love my Nook Color and use it more often than my HP Touchpad.

And if google hasn't changed too much of the underlying architecture I'm confident that we're able to get Jelly Bean running on the Nook Color too... in one way or the other ;)
[Nook Color General] biohazrd51:
Yet ;)

Being that ICS carries both UI (just depending on adjusting for each) wouldn't it be a matter of switching LCD density to obtain the tablet UI. Or do I have a derailed train of thought?
[Nook Color General] leapinlar:
You could be right. Jellybean may have a tablet ui built in. But, based on comments from Google, I think they removed it so there would be a streamlined and standard interface.
[Nook Color General] Dj-Gutz:
Tablet UI still exists , it's been showed using the sdk with 10.1 screen emulation

There are 3 UI's

Phone UI - Phone apps

Phone UI - Tablet apps ( N7 and probably other 7" devices)

Tablet UI - Tablet apps ( 10.1" )

We need to see how they will incorporate the new notification system to the tablet UI

For now I know that it doesn't exists there

I'm pretty sure customizations will come soon enough , if not by Google then by 3rd party devs
[Nook Color General] mateorod:
Welp, that's enough for me. I was real concerned about the lack of sdcard, but was hoping to follow fattire to his next device anyway.

I spend a bunch of time in other device forums, working with some of the little software I have put out. I don't know if people realize just how different this device forum is. I know everyone appreciates fattire, but let me tell you, it's a whole different world out there.

If I am buying a new device, the development community is pretty much the most important thing to me at this point.

Pre-ording.
[Nook Color General] leapinlar:
I have to modify this statement. It is not identical. In landscape for the nook, the nav bar is down the right side. From pictures of the N7, it looks like it is still on the bottom in landscape.

Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk
[Nook Color General] Landara:
Ok so without an SD card what are the chances we eventually get this thing rooted? Slim to none?
[Nook Color General] TheValk:
The Kindle Fire has no SD slot and it's rooted and has ROMs.

I don't have any fears about the Nexus7 being unrootable.
[Nook Color General] boomn:
Extremely easy considering it's a Nexus device. In fact, it's already been accomplished
[Nook Color General] captainreynolds:
No SD card slot? Would not buy.
[Nook Color General] paulspencer2001:
At this point I will wait and see how well others are doing with the N7 before I make a change. I love my Nook and keeping it if nothing else for reading on. With out an sd slot I will most likly not get one.
[Nook Color General] Neku_Sakuraba:
Its so tempting to buy.... and the even if there is no SD card its not really an isuue. I'll just buy buy the 16g model
[Nook Color General] meteorrock:
I would not consider buying it either without the SD card slot. I am already pushing 60 GB on the 64 GB card I just got done buying for the nook color. A few movies and 10 albums and you would be maxed out on memory on that Nexus.

Now if they come out with one in that price range with a SD card slot, its game time. :p
[Nook Color General] Dj-Gutz:
I don't get why it's such a deal breaker for anyone , Isn't 8/16GB enough for your immediate needs?

Movies / Other big content can be stored on external devices using USB OTG ( SD + Card Reader / DOK / HDD )

Card-Readers/DOK's are portable enough to put in your pocket/bag and forget about it till you need it

And when you need it just hook it up and use it , nothing terrible - since you obviously will remain stationary when watching a movie

Am I missing something? I can't think of a lot of usages for SD card slots now-days , most defiantly not a deal breaker
[Nook Color General] ganovim:
otg on nexus

Makes sense. However, USB OTG on this thing has not been verified.
[Nook Color General] Dj-Gutz:
Sure it has , and I've said it on the release - It's a given in today's board design and there is no reason for Google to disconnect it

Coding/Software wise - It's a NEXUS , you really thought it won't be done? for a dev it's a piece of cake ( kernel sources already released )

Take a look at the N7 forums - there are custom roms already!

You guys are under estimating the value of this device , it's the first device that appeal both the public and the dev community - it's going to have massive development and the latest stuff from Google for a while

Google made a brilliant move with this low-price/high-enough-specs tablet IMHO ( despite dropping the Tablet UI - which is being worked on by devs as we speak )
[Nook Color General] RASTAVIPER:
The lack of SD just eliminates the will to play and swap between different roms.

If I consider the same for my Nc, probably I wouldn't have tried the CM9, if I didn't have the chance to test drive it through spare sd card. And right now, after testing ICS is my daily ROM. ;-)

Unleashed from my Revolutionized Desire HD
[Nook Color General] Dj-Gutz:
If the Android world continue the move to non-sd card times ( I certainly hope not but we need to keep it real since it's understandable ) , devs will find new ways to overcome the deficiencies

That's what's so great in Android , if there is enough interest anything can be done - Google should keep doing what their doing now , and as long as it keep caring about it's dev community , most of the features that ppl want will be coded

Like it or not ( And I do :) ) , Android is growing far beyond a mobile-os and it will keep evolving with the best things we used in desktops ( with a fresh attitude )

About your rom swapping issue

For now you can just do a Nandroid backup , test the new rom and keep it or restore to the old one

Further more , I can think of 2 viable solutions :

1.Running different roms from different partitions on the internal card ( might be already achieved on other devices , I honestly don't know )

2.USB-OTG support from the beginning of the boot process to load custom roms from external storage - If Google wants to keep Android growing as more than a mobile os , "Boot From USB" feature is essential just like on today's desktops ( we already got rid of the floppy/cdrom , USB is the best solution )

I don't know a lot on Android file-system but I'm sure it can be done , just need the interest and the right dev
[Nook Color General] mr72:
Problem with that is that the most failure-prone part on any tablet is the micro-USB port. Also, you charge through that port. So forcing you to watch movies with a cable connected, and not benefiting from power on that cable, is really far short of a usable workaround.

Truth is the reason they didn't put a reasonable amount of storage on this is because of the iTunes model: they want to sell you all of the content you will use, and keep it for you, ensuring that you must be connected to their server to use it and therefore subjected to ads and data mining. Not to mention trying to play nice with the lobbyists for the media companies who want to monitor and control your "ownership" of media product. This is their business model. It's customer-hostile, but it's how they sell what would be a $350 standalone tablet (with SD!) for $200.

One thing that's often overlooked, which is the whole reason I bought a NC to begin with, is those of us who travel. When I am on an airplane or in China I don't have access to "the cloud" to get my media. Not to mention, I need the battery to last a LONG time and while I can watch movies for 10 hours on my NC when playing them from SD, if I have to turn on wifi and stream them I'm lucky to get through one 2-hour film on one charge. And most of the time when I am traveling, I don't have access to any internet storage of any kind. I'm offline probably 75% of the time and when I am not offline, I am in a country where you can't use streaming media or remote storage services like Netflix or Google Play.

The lack of an SD card is far from a minor inconvenience. It's a complete and total deal breaker. But of course the reason Google put out this tablet is not so we can all have an awesome useful tablet; it's so we will buy a device that they can use to sell us content. It's just like an iPad or iPhone or Kindle Fire. Same exact business model. Frankly that's the same business model as Nook Color but we all broke that by rooting the devices, putting an alternate ROM and storing our own media on SD. We cut the umbilical, got out of the walled garden. And now Google's just trying to bring us into their walled garden with a tablet that is attractive feature wise, but really impractical if you try and cut the cord. It's a good business strategy if you're Google but it sucks if you are an Android tablet hacker or hobbyist who thinks you can get a cheap but awesome device.

Makes me wonder if there's a way to do a hardware mod and add an SD. Odds are there is PCB pads for an SD socket, if not the actual socket, inside the unit. If so, I can solder really well.
[Nook Color General] DigitalMD:
Not so fast on the Nexus 7... it might get banned for patient infringements. Who knows? Everyone is on the lawsuit bandwagon.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/mobil...-nokia-patents
[Nook Color General] derekr44:
Mr72 said it best. The problem I see with devices that do not have expandable storage is that it seems to defeat the purpose of why a tablet was created in the first place. The tablet for me is a way to break away from a desktop/laptop, but I specifically do not like the iPad/iPhone iTunes model. Google has pretty much duplicated this model with a cheaper price tag. With non-expandable storage, you've sold yourself out to utilizing someone else's "pay-per-gig" storage solution.
[Nook Color General] Dj-Gutz:
Yay - someone already got the Tablet UI with Expandable Notifications working!!

Tablet UI on Nexus 7
[Nook Color General] DigitalMD:
With only 5gb available to the user on the 8GB model, the real price is $249 since the 8GB model is not even a viable device. And USB Host Mode only works for connecting devices like keyboards and game pads, not external storage.

Google just missed the mark and shafted consumers to push its "Drive" cloud. Poor... bad choice on Google's part and the IPad Mini and the Kindle Fire 2 will probably kill it . If the lawsuits don't block it entirely.

Looks like Google body slammed themselves.... LOL:rolleyes:

It's all part of a grand plan to get more money out of your pocket. Tiered data plans, and Verizon no longer subsidizing tablets on contract. The big boys are just clapping their hands waiting for you to bite the big one on data usage.
[Nook Color General] dookie23:
You might be interested in this. Now you can bring a BIG thumb drive on the plane and watch your movies.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1743052&page=2
[Nook Color General] japzone:
Well, I did it. I went and Pre-Ordered me some 16gb Nexus 7. I'm not planning on selling my Nook Color anytime soon so I'll probably still be hanging around here but most of my time will most likely be spent on the Nexus 7 forums.
[Nook Color General] envygreen:
I'll echo mr72 and some others here. At first glance, I drooled and started reaching for my wallet. It looks like a fantastic device, but the cloud reliance is going to be an issue for me. I commute taking a train underground and fly a lot for business. No network connections = no cloud. And while I can and do tether to my phone to watch Netflix fairly often, it's always when I know I'm not far from a charger.

I run with an SD in the device and another in my bag, giving me a little over 20 gigs storage if you include the onboard. More than enough to keep me entertained and have options for whatever strikes my fancy on any one trip. If my travel goes up as it probably will, I'll probably expand that, not reduce it. I don't want to have to take the time to decide on the 4 movies I have room for each time I get a call and have to fly two days later.

I know we're not the typical users, but we do exist. Niche markets are still markets.

I might still get one, but it will probably go to my wife since she's always around wifi and power. That way I still get to check it out at least. :)
[Nook Color General] sark666:
The lack of an sdcard slot and an hdmi slot really put me off. Especially when most suspect it wasn't a cost cutting measure but rather a push towards their other products/services.

Why do you want an sd slot? Use the cloud.

Why do you want hdmi output? Buy a Nexus Q.

I feel pretty safe the Nexus Q is going to bomb. They are pushing too hard for their services with this. You can't even play local content that's on your tablet/phone, only from the cloud and can't use any other service.

Read this review of the Q. Yesh.... what a stinker...

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/05/the-google-nexus-q-is-baffling/

Even if google gives in and updates the Q to play local content and use other services (like netflix etc) what's the point of paying $300.00?! For additional outputs and the queue features? So when your friends come over with their devices they can also queue up music they 'own' (it may be on their device but it's still going to get it from the cloud obviously).

Just scrap this device and give me hdmi.

This was so close to being the perfect tablet....

I may still get a nexus 7 anyway, knowing of the above shortcomings, but I'll keep looking for a bit.
[Nook Color General] bigrat:
Has anyone tried Samba Filesharing?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funkyfresh.samba&rdid=com.funkyfresh.samba&rdot=1

I'll note that it works great on my Nook Color. Maybe installing this on your phone plus a samba client on the N7 will be good enough? No ugly dongles, though I can't speak for the performance and/or battery drain.
[Nook Color General] jamesbra:
Smb. Shares require a network connection. If one has that they'll be able to use the ridiculous cloud. Or maybe. I'm misunderstanding you? Either way USB org card reader/USB drive is the way to go IMO
[Nook Color General] Captain DH:
This is my take. By not including the SD card reader Google has made the decision for me that I don't want or need it. Even though I do, heck give me two of them. I won't be buying a Nexxus 7 as that would be sending the wrong message to Google.

I guess now I need to figure out what is going to replace my Color as I promised it to my daughter for potty training (she's almost there). I've been happy with the Color maybe I will get another one.
[Nook Color General] harryzee:
Looks great, but...

When, oh when will some company start listening to the wailing in the wilderness of those of us pleading for a unit speced like this but with an 8.9" screen at a 299. or less price point?

I simply have no use for or desire to schlep around a 9.7-10.1 inch unit and my original 7" NC (while sufficent) simply doesn't cut it when trying to effectively use a browser!

The 8.9 has always been my hoped for sweet spot as it replicates the reading page size of a "trade paperback" and would certainly enhance movie viewing along with allowing a decent and useful browser experience.

I currently have my NC dual configured on a split eMMc with CM 7.2.0 RC3 Kang as the primary and BN 1.4.2 as the alternate boot and it has never worked better.

Hearing a few weeks ago that Amazon was possibly holding off on an 8.9 in favor of going directly to a 10.1 was very discouraging.

Also, whats the deal as to no sd card slot which certainly enhances the utility of any unit?

Thanks for my allowing my mini rant!
[Nook Color General] DigitalMD:
SAMSUNG
[Nook Color General] harryzee:
Thought of that but due to mixed reviews/user commentaries and NO sd card slot (also no direct USB connection) have passed on it.

Have had one in hand and it is a perfect size with great screen resolution.

I just did a new search on it and NewEgg has a refurbished 16 Gig for 319.99, though.

Interesting in that most of the comments were very positive regarding the size vs the larger units.
[Xoom General] oldblue910:
The Android 4.1.1/Jelly Bean OTA update for the US WiFi Xoom is now rolling out. Verizon to follow in the next month hopefully. If by the grace of God any International Xoom variants ever get Jelly Bean (don't count on it), I can post those links here too if someone provides them.

US WiFi-only Xoom (MZ604): OTA Link from Google

US Verizon 3/4G Xoom (MZ600/MZ602): Waiting on link.
[Xoom General] alex94kumar:
Makes me glad I went with the wifi only model that very first day the Xoom came out :D
[Xoom General] oldblue910:
In hind sight, I wish I had gone with a WiFi-only model too. Alas, it is damn nice having an Internet connection on that tablet even when I'm in the middle of east bum****. hahaha It's alright though, I'll have Jelly Bean in mid July on the 8 GB Nexus 7 I just preordered. ;)
[Xoom General] alex94kumar:
See, I was even thinking about going with Verizon for the Xoom, but I then realized I wouldn't need to, as I could just tether it to my Droid 2 (at the time) for free, since I was rooted and got free tethering.

It's even better now, since I have 4G tethering on an unlimited data plan :D
[Xoom General] Cubanluke88:
Exactly why I got a wifi Xoom. I'm not paying for two data plans.
[Xoom General] oldblue910:
Starting tomorrow, when Verizon introduces those new Share Everything plans, I'll only be paying for one data plan, getting an extra gig of data per month, and paying $10 less per month for it. I'm a happy camper about that. :D
[Xoom General] Cubanluke88:
Yeah, my buddy is doing that (he has a razr maxx + verizon xoom).

I'm on Sprint, off contract, hoping that their LTE implementation is ~decent~.

Else I'll be jumping ship to Verizon and probably swap out to a Verizon Xoom as well and do the share everything plan.
[Xoom General] gmanunited:
Oh yes we will get jellybean. Glad they are keeping the Xoom alive.
[Xoom General] yxcv99:
If I only had known of this android experience thing three weeks earlier I wouldnt have bought a Xoom 2 :(.
[Xoom General] rvbarton:
where is the link that confirms the Xoom will receive Jelly Bean? its cool, but it really surprises me as we just received the ICS update (talking about my VzW LTE Xoom)
[Xoom General] oldblue910:
It was announced on stage at Google I/O. Go find the YouTube video of the keynote.
[Xoom General] matticala:
Can't agree more. Xoom 2 lags, freezes, reboots and has still an ugly honeycomb....
[Xoom General] oldblue910:
Something else interesting...even though they unveiled the Nexus 7 tablet at I/O, I don't really think it's a true successor to the Xoom. It's a 7" tablet that runs in portrait orientation by default, and the stock ROM runs in phone mode, not tablet mode.

Don't be surprised if early next year we see a real, honest Google Experience successor to the Xoom with a 10.1-inch screen and the OS running in landscape tablet mode. Until that happens, I'd expect to see future Android versions on the Xoom as well as the Nexus 7.
[Xoom General] alex94kumar:
I wonder how much of the UI they will change....
[Xoom General] Casey Rain:
Utterly ridiculous that the original Xoom will now likely see Jelly Bean before the Xoom 2 even gets ICS.

Motorola will be lucky to get another dime from me ever again, and I used to have a lot of goodwill for the company.

I'll also only be purchasing Google Experience devices in the future.
[Xoom General] oldblue910:
The original Xoom is a Google Experience device (in the US anyway). The Xoom 2 is not. That's why the Xoom is getting the update and the Xoom 2 probably won't. It's no more or less complicated than that.

The international Xoom models (which are not GEDs) probably won't see an update to Jellybean either.
[Xoom General] feffe73:
anyone wonts my european 3g+wifi xoom???

i'll change with US wifi only version :-)
[Xoom General] callsignapollo:
Why? Just like with ICS, there will be an unofficial (think EOS etc), 3G+WiFi build not long after.
[Xoom General] chiggerfruit:
I wish I had a WiFi xoom as well, but hey, I got this Verizon one for $20 so I'm not gonna complain! It's effectively a WiFi xoom since I don't have service, but I still have to wait that extra Verizon time.

I've always wondered why Google/Motorola/Verizon never pushed the Google Android Experience in their ads. It probably would've helped sales.