yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
hey captain

remind me if you would.

you had a brick because of flashing backwards or forwards,

i forget the circumstances.

but, with S-OFF and latest the firmware installed (without latest hboot and recovery)

what can and can't you do ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Funny you should mention this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=31077765#post31077765

Apparently what you can't do is downgrade the full firmware back to 1.22. I don't know about switching just the radio, but it seems that everyone that's tried to go back using the full firmware zip has bricked their device.

I have the 1.13.2222 LP HBOOT on my device now, hex-edited to show S-ON and using the parameters from the latest HBOOT (see below). I was able to flash to the new HBOOT (1.19) and back with no issues. To be honest, I really don't understand why the firmware downgrade is bricking devices, unless it has something to do with the secure element. If someone is really brave, they can try to remove the smaller bits (especially tz.img) from the 1.22 full firmware zip and try flashing it after they've upgraded, to see if their device bricks. But I've already been through 3 of these devices, and I'm out past my 30 days now. So it won't be me :rolleyes:.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
I thought you only got 14 days, I'm on day 18 ...I wanna try and take it back to get a 1.12 hboot

sent from LTEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Adebayo88:
im s-off officially :) thanks guys
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] s127.luis:
LOWETAX

Huge shouts to @Lowetax for helping me out throughout the countless emails and helping update all my firmware and helping obtain S-OFF. All is good now. Thanks a million!!!!!!!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
I got my phone without a contract from Amazon, which is why I had 30 days.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] distantneighbor:
How do I know what version of stock I am? People are talking about how I have to be either stock base 1.13 or install Fresh 1.13 (forgot the actual # but is in original thread op). I read that stock is much better than anything custom. I am HBOOT 1.12 and in About > Software Information the software version says 1.13.651.1

Is that right stock, can I start the process or do I need to install Fresh afterall?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
have you installed any mods, tweaks, themes, etc. ?

that's why a clean install (after full wipe) of Fresh 5.1.1 does the trick.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] distantneighbor:
haven't installed anything yet, just got it from best buy. just want to verify i have the right base so that if i dont have to install fresh, then all the better right?

also, I know I have to have debugging checked, and unknown sources checked, and for usb to be in charge mode only, anything else to make sure of? (that is not pointed out in the op thread, specifically things to be checked or whatever on the present rom)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
uninstall anything HTC in control panel. reboot.

install HTC drivers from lazypanda site. reboot.

test adb connectivity.

backup sd card contents.

if yer sure you are on hboot 1.12, you should be good to go
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
Nice :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JCorona:
??

Am I missing a step here? When I run panda it says its connected but needs root acces. How do I acquire temp root? I don't have adb in my computer, is that necessary for this method? I'm am running windows 64bit and following the steps on the website not xda btw.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JerryGNYC:
Not familiar with the Windows method (did it from a Linux box), but are you running it as administrator? That would be the equivalent of root.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Your device has to be rooted.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] njfoses:
Root first. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1671577
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JerryGNYC:
Damn, it's been too long a weekend... :silly:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
read post #2 a couple times.

need hboot 1.12, be rooted, have adb installed and tested, etc.

and i would do a full wipe and flash Fresh 5.1.1, just to be sure.

ask if you have questions
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JCorona:
Alright fellas thanks for the help, after rooting I ran Panda again and it worked :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] james33440:
lowetax, thank you! Your info worked!!!! No more bricked phone
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Powerbird101:
Its a sad day today.. I went from Lazy Panda S-Off hboot 1.12 to the POS 1.19 because of a hardware failure on my headphone jack.... Im so PO right now... I have a damn mamed phone... with no hopes in sight of getting root or soff in the near future. Im thinking about just dropping this phone for another one since it seems that 1.19 wont be getting any love soon (primarily since 1.15 is still in the works).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Joshnor713:
Sorry to hear dude. Your replacement phone came with 1.19? I had to get a replacement (on 1.15 though), after having s-off on my first. Almost seems better to have just settled with the problem and kept it than not have s-off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] long_tall_texan:
x2. I'm in the same boat. Kinda stinks to be handcuffed...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Keyz450:
so i manage to get s-off using unlimited.io method, but i get a bunch of small text maybe task manager logs on the upper right hand corner, can someone please tell me what the hell is that and how do i get rid of it
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] p2cactus:
I've gotta say not having s-off isn't that big of a deal right now. Wish I had it, but it only took about an hour to relock, install the newest ruu, reunlock, reroot, and get my custom Rom loaded back up. Not as easy as s-off, but really not an issue either.

Evo 4G LTE

h-boot 1.19, s-on, HTCDev unlocked
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
The only issue arises when it's time to upgrade the firmware which won't happen when your s-on :(
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] p2cactus:
Actually not true. That's what my previous post was about. It's not as easy as s-off, but it really isn't too hard or time consuming. I just upgraded from all of the hboot 1.15 firmware, radios, etc to the 1.19 hboot stuff. It was pretty painless and only took about an hour.

Evo 4G LTE

h-boot 1.19, s-on, HTCDev unlocked
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
took me 12 seconds to flash the new firmware :p not trying to be a richard head it's just so many people are running into problems coserning the new base when they are s-on
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
hey whatever floats your boat.

just so unlock is always available.

quick question: you can one click root.

do you skip that and decompile the app and do it manually ?

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i have no idea of what you're talking about ???

attach a picture or a better description please
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] p2cactus:
Lowe - since I don't know what you are talking about, I probably didn't do it. I manually unlocked through HTCDev this last time then flashed su. Regraw is supposed to work as a one click method for the 2.x base, but it was having trouble communicating with HTC's website a few days ago. Not sure what the problem was since to manual method worked fine...and Regraw just automates that process.

Agree, if dev unlock goes away us s-on folks are much more screwed.

Evo 4G LTE

h-boot 1.19, s-on, HTCDev unlocked
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Keyz450:
its like some debug cat log app type of reader scrolling down on the upper right hand corner of my screen like this but without the UI

but its token care of now, i just added twerp recovery and flash a few roms to clear it right up.....im good for now, just gotta activate my device :laugh:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] s4pat:
followed post #475 exactly and had success on first try! thanks to all involved.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JerryGNYC:
Sounds like one or more of the developer options was turned on.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] cherylbaker:
Seriously not having s off is not the end of the world. You can do almost everything with s on.

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Wow you went to hboot 1.19..as much as not having s off is no big deal I wouldn't have done that...

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actually you can update if you wish to take the whole thing..which means even a newer version of hboot which lowers your chance even more of getting s off.. but seriously s off is not that big a deal
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Hahahaha too funny.

Also, I Dont understand why people get so gung ho about wanting to take official updates. And updating hboots is craziness IMHO

via xda premium on my AOKP'd Evo LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Yes it definitely is! :what: Lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] p2cactus:
I'm not saying I want to be s-on - quite the opposite. However my point was that it really, in the end, doesn't limit what you can do with the phone.

And for those of us that are s-on, that is a nice thing.

Evo 4G LTE

h-boot 1.19, s-on, HTCDev unlocked
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Especially since you can't go backwards with firmware even if you are s-off...I don't see that much of an advantage

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scott_0:
Thanks! This worked the first time I tried it, I couldn't get the regawMOD to work for me. Very easy to do
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] p2cactus:
Glad you had success!

Evo 4G LTE

h-boot 1.19, s-on, HTCDev unlocked
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ahecht:
Being S-On means you can't flash new radios without reverting to stock and RUUing.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
i always figure more options are better than less options,

but whatever floats everyone's boat, eh !

so, what happens when if yer on hboot 1.19 with latest firmware

and you relock and run 1.15 RUU ...

what happens then ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NaterTots:
Lowetax going backwards on firmware has resulted in bricks.

If s-off and you update hboot you can always go back to the lazypanda 1.12.222 boot.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
i saw downgrading with S-OFF caused bricks,

don't think it was user error.

didn't know about locked S-ON 1.19 to 1.15 RUU

not that i wanted to do it - just was thinking outloud :)

thanks for reply
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] the juan juice:
So you guys are reading the post of a man who almost had a hard attack. I got s-off with no problems :) thank everyone so much for all you input :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jschill31:
Couldn't get any easier...

Thanks!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Bastafari:
Did you mean heart attack, or are you just being vulgar ? lol.

Sent from my EVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
vulgar is in the eyes of the 'beholder', no ?

oh my
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] the juan juice:
Oh sorry, yeah I ment heart (sometimes I really hate prediction text)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Well, just fed another damn Panda! 9 now :D

THANKS!!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Brick!

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Not so. You'll just get the "Main Version is Older" message, and the RUU will error out.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Good to know. I wasn't about to try it and find out, lol

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] djconundrum:
I must say thanks for this tool, but the lazy panda logo disappeared after i factory reset to the original ruu. i re-rooted and all is good. the best part s-off stayed, even after doing a factory ruu of the newest oem rom for the radios. Forgot about the hboot thing and said some mean words, then flashed the original ruu again. For some reason i can upgrade and downgrade to whatever i feel like hboot and all. s-off is so locked down i love it. Thanks for giving me a start to my super s-off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
So you can successfully load up 1.19 hboot then go back down to 1.12 or 1.15?? And remain s-off and not be bricked...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Yes. Downgrading HBOOT has never been an issue.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
ah ha.

must be one of the FEW times you didn't have to go back to sprint store with a brick, eh :)

thanks

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did ya ever figure out why, downgrade of radio/firmware is such a no no ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Fuses:
It is completely safe to upgrade and downgrade S-OFF device using RUUs.

For example, if you did LazyPanda S-OFF on 1.12 hboot you can upgrade firmware using RUU to 2.13.651.1 (1.19 hboot) and remain S-OFF. LazyPanda hboot gets overwritten in process, but device remains S-OFF. And if you want you can safely downgrade to 1.12.651.2 rom (1.12 hboot) using RUU.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
I didn't. I speculate it's because the Trust Zone was updated in the latest firmware, and the tz.img was not upgraded in the previous version, so it may be a version mismatch thing for the Secure Element causing bricks. I could add the tz.IMG from the 1.22 RUU to the older firmware zip and test that theory, but unfortunately (for everyone else, I guess) I'm not willing to brick this EVO (just yet).

This being the case, I really don't understand the bricks caused by downgrading the firmware to an older version. If the full RUU works, then you'd think the individual firmware pieces could be downgraded as well. I really believe the bricking is some sort of failsafe caused by the secure element.

Has anyone actually tried to downgrade using an older RUU after upgrading to the latest firmware version?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] shellguy:
I have a feeling I am fubar. Can someone tell me what the heck to do. I tried to use the RUU.exe from Unlimited and now my phone is stopped @ the black HTC. HELP.. =(
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
yea i dont know who is going to want to try that haha, we will just have to be more careful and make sure we have the correct version when updating the firmware.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] p2cactus:
Did you try holding the power button down for 10 seconds to restart the phone?

Evo 4G LTE

h-boot 1.19, s-on, HTCDev unlocked
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] shellguy:
Yep, it just sits at the HTC logo on a black background. I can't get this thing to do anything.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
power and volume down = no boot into recovery ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] shellguy:
Lowetax i think i owe you a beer. IDK what the hell is wrong with me. I was so scared I had fubard this thing i was rushing. Does anyone know if the OMJ 2.1 rom will work to get s-off?

Will
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
do yourself a favor

full wipe clean install of Fresh 5.1.1 post #2

btw many of us have been there -

with the scared, uncertainty, etc.

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hhhhmmm

i'll fly my flat bottom Jersey Speed Skiff 75 mph, bouncing all over the place,

(Get In, Sit Down, Shut Up, and Hold On while Pedal to the Metal and Balls to the Wall)

but i ain't trying that firmware downgrade and bricking my evo lte :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] TimidRat:
i get verifyfailed every damn time, tryed everything, those drivers just aint working
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
in windows, control panel, programs, you delete all HTC items. reboot.

then download htc driver from lazypanda. install. reboot.

plug in and test adb connectivity.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Have you done this?

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Fuses:
Yes, on evo 4g lte and on many other devices.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Yea I've done it on others just wasn't sure about this one

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] TimidRat:
Done it about 40 times now, only have access to a netbook... adb is fine..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
check your pm.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] beerbq:
I have a question for the people that bricked. When you got new phones did you have sprint or best buy warranty or was is it covered under the standard htc warranty.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
Sprint insurance for me. Free replacement
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
you bricked before unbricker was available ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] e1ement08:
Why is it telling me I HAVE to have a MicroSD card?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Um, because you do :confused:?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Kalvan:
Finally took the plunge to get S-OFF, followed all the instructions in post #2 (thanks to all the original authors) and everything went fine. My phone did the hands free activation while still being fed bamboo, was really tempted to hit OK on the phone screen once it finished but I successfully resisted and the script eventually rebooted the phone to the bootloader. Now for a stiff drink before installing TWRP and a new ROM...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] e1ement08:
Hmm, ok. It doesn't say that in the prerequisites or on LazyPanda's website.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
I didn't brick using lazypanda, it ran smoothly for me. I probably should have said so although I did take the question about insurance and bricks as a kinda generic brick/insurance question
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
thanks for clarification.

just wanted anybody seeing that to understand it wasn't from using the current lazypanda routine for S-OFF.

i think there were 5 people that swapped out their phone with sprint

BEFORE the unbricker and revised lazypanda routine was released.

that was way back when first available.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] zmag:
Just curious, I used a previous regaw-mod root to achieve HTCDev "S-Off" and root. Worked like a charm. At the time, I only cared about gaining root access (mainly to use Titanium Backup etc.) - now, I'm still on 1.13.651.1 and shut off OTA updates since then. I have TWRP recovery, and my phone reads **tampered** **locked** S-ON (I believe) - but I can still boot to TWRP fine.

My question: Can I still run Backup from TWRP (which is a NAND correct?) and have it save to the "sdcard"? (I say "sdcard" because I'm talking about the stock internal sdcard that came with the phone - I don't have an extra sdcard installed, as I haven't opened/don't plan on opening my phone unless I seriously need to.) But I do have my sdcard from my OG Evo just in case.

AND, I want to install CM10 at some point soon. Is there a need for me to run LazyPanda S-OFF if I'm HTCDev Unlocked? I really don't care about a red message in my splash screen, and I would really rather not touch anything if I don't have to. (If it ain't broke don't fix it, being my motto here...)

I'm coming from an OG Evo, and with all the horror-stories I've read, I realize how delicate the internals are in the LTEvo. I'd really like to hear I don't have to use LazyPanda S-OFF :) - zmag
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
If you have twrp, you can flash any Rom u want, however you must flash boot image through fastboot prior to flashing Rom zip in recovery

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
if he is on hboot 1.12 then the kernel will install fine through the recovery...its only on hboot 1.15 and beyond you have to fastboot the kernel
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Just covering the bases since he said he used regwad method to get "s-off"? And wasn't sure what his bootloader said ...lol

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
OH how I love this message! Just did the 10th device this morning. :) Oddly enough, had 2 buddy's get phones from 2 different Best Buys and both had the original software revision on them.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] zmag:
Thanks for the response guys! Good news, just checked and I have HBoot 1.12. So, it should be "easier" to flash a new rom if i choose? ("Easier" meaning I can just select "Install .zip from sdcard" and choose my rom's .zip?)

I ask because I'm used to my OG Evo, and I could just clear cache/dalvik and Update .zip from sd - and I was all done. Same with new kernels. I'm really wary about everything I do with this phone until I get more comfortable/familiar with it. I'm glad I asked too before installing any OTA updates, because I'm lazy and the less work I havta do the better. :p

So, the proper way for me to say my phones status, is that I'm HTCDev Unlocked and not S-OFF - but in my case due to HBoot being 1.12, it's the same thing?

I just wanna know if there's any added benefit to me trying to run LazyPanda. My understanding is that because of my HBoot being v1.12, it's potentially the same as if I were LazyPanda S-OFF? (Besides the red text splash message and HBoot saying **tampered** etc., which doesn't bother me at all) - zmag
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] premo15:
You should go run lazy panda as soon as possible. 1.12 is the ONLY hboot version it will work on, so once you update you are stuck with all the stuff you mentioned. 1.12 does allow you flash kernels and radios, but s-off is always better because you get unrestricted access to the entire nand memory. That means you can flash anything you want (literally, so be careful). So far, s-off has proven to be permanent even if you update the bootloader...so in my opinion, if you're lucky enough to be on the original version there's no reason not to do it. There are tons of people right now who would kill to have 1.12 for that reason :)

Sent from my EVO LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ahecht:
I came across this in the thread at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1875777 :

If the adb restore function can change the boot screen, is it possible to exploit this to "restore" an exploitable hboot?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] premo15:
That's the million dollar question...honestly I would be surprised if it worked, but if anyone feels like risking a brick I would love to know...

Sent from my EVO LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
yes with hboot 1.12 you can just flash roms like normal and all will be fine...you can even flash new radios through the recovery..only thing you cant do is flash PRI and the other firmware stuff that captain throwback makes.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arozer:
Is there any solution for the HBOOT 1.15 people yet?

I knew I shouldn't have broken my old phone. =[
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
No

Not yet
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] BUBBA DUB'S:
So after reading and reading and reading i just realized I should have tried for S-off when i first started the HTC unlock process. Can anyone lend advice for one who is running the 1.22 base/hboot 1.12 (MeanRom3.4):confused::confused::confused:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] volk9029:
Just flash the rom as stated in second post and you are good to go.

Sent from my lair.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] BUBBA DUB'S:
Word!!! so i shouldn't have a problem going from base 1.22 to 1.13? my first guess was to install the stock RUU 1.13 but i didnt know if i could go backwards per-say with software... thanks again!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arozer:
Make sure to Wipe to factory reset though.

Other than that, while flashing only the roms, you can go back and forth however as many times as you'd like.

(FYI, I always keep a copy of an older version on my SD Card, so that in case something goes wrong with my phone and I need to take it back to Sprint, I'll flash the older software, then take the OTA pop-up message and install it while I'm on my way to Sprint.)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] leerage:
Try going into settings and then select activate this device
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
i did that didnt work.. after it says the error 16 switch thing i stayed on the line and it connects me rite to sprint and they refreshed it and its fine now :good: thanks
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] frankt2012:
This worked great. Was going to do the HTC dev unlock then read this. I rather have s-off. Thanks.

-Frank
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
that happened to me.i reinstalled the drivers. took a minute for my phone to turn on and when it did i reran the program and acheived s off
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jrmatics:
Yeah had to stay on line till I was transferred to Sprint to get my calls and text working again,, took about 5 minutes and everything is awesome
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
The error I was getting in windows when I saw the device name in my device manager that everyone is saying means your bricked, was my driver wasn't installed. I just installed the driver from the device manager and it worked perfectly