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[Nexus 7 General] lanwarrior:
Eeemm.. the Xbox is NOT a portable device.

The idea for MHL is that so you can have an ALL-IN-ONE-DEVICE ON THE GO:

- Presentation at client site, offices, conference, etc.

- Movies at hotel (many hotel now have HDMI and S-Video input to the TV)

- Visiting friends and family and show your pictures, videos, etc.

- Gaming on big screen TV
[Nexus 7 General] phil-t:
-Personally when in a professional capacity, I use the company hardware to give presentations and other feature rich presentations..

- If I wanted to watch a movie in my hotel room, I just watch it on the Tablet which is close to my face, so the effective size is identical

-Visiting friends/family, I just show them whatever on the tablet

-Touchscreen gaming on a big TV is rubbish, no idea where your fingers are..

At home, I have Playon HD Minis in two rooms, a uPNP phillips audio streamer in the kitchen, 6 android devices, 2 games consoles.. I store all my TB's of media on a central NAS largely using a uPNP server to share it between all devices..

I only need enough local storage for taking a 'bit' of media out of the house.. I can't fit 200Gb of music easily on microSD cards, obviously video (TV eps / BR Rips / HD-DVD Rips) takes up several TB, so I'm sunk.. I have to re-encode loads for the kids tablets, and on a small screen, it's surprising how good they look even when below 1Gb per film..

I don't dispute people would run into issues with their current usage patterns, and obviously the N7 isn't for them, but it is a minority that fit in that boat, and Google obviously want to push their platforms to them...

Just wait for the Acer A110 and get that..
[Nexus 7 General] lanwarrior:
- My company issued ipad and use that for presentation. I want to replace it with the Nexus 7.

- LOL! That close to your face? I rather NOT hold a tablet for 2 hours...seen the story about the girl falling asleep doing what you're doing and the ipad well and knocked her teeth out?

- You never tried OnLive? Connect tablet to TV, connect XBOX controller or OnLive to tablet, play FULL BLOWN console game using just tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
I very much would like video out specifically for the hotel reason. I really hope some hackers can figure out how to make it work. Even if it involves soldering on an HDMI port and cutting a hole in the bottom left corner of the device... I'm in!

But, if we can find a way to do it without voiding warranties, I'm all the more for that ;)
[Nexus 7 General] Gorjess:
- Why would you replace the best tablet for presentation??

- there is an object called a stand, and it's everywhere..

- Not all people have good internet connection..

Swyped from my GT-i9100
[Nexus 7 General] giubari:
So...

When do you guys think that we will be reasonably sure about the presence or absence of this kind of feature?

I think that we shouldn't trust anything else than photos and hardware inspections, because sales representatives or workers or whoever else could have interests in selling us wrong informations.
[Nexus 7 General] raptir:
I have to say that I'm a little torn here. On the one hand, it seems like a pretty basic feature to include that was likely only dropped for cost (I'd be interested to see what the Nexus 7 costs to build, but I imagine they don't have a huge profit margin on it). On the other hand, I owned a Transformer (original) for a while and think I used the HDMI port twice.
[Nexus 7 General] giubari:
It's not about how many times I will really use it, it's about how many times I could need that feature and I won't be able to use it.

Why wasting such a great GPU\CPU for 7'' screen?

I think that some devices are already out (check ebay) so it should'nt be that hard to open the device (or even check the voltage)
[Nexus 7 General] surfsnow:
just canceled the Nexus 7 order due to no HDMI HML support

Initially I thought it was supported from Engadget's review By Tim Stevens posted Jun 28th 2012 12:00PM:

Quoted: "(You can, of course, use an MHL adapter if you like.)"

now they crossed this statement out.

During the call to Google to cancel the order, support tech told me it will take a few days to process due to July 4th holiday, a lot of people changing their order from 8GB to 16GB, or canceling their online order and getting it at GameStop to avoid shipping.

I guess I am only the few users want the HDMI output, and clearly this is not the product for me.

Don't get me wrong, it is a great product, especially for $199 (or $249) but I wish I can see all these Tegra3 goodness on a 46" screen. :)

I will save up and get TF700 instead. ;)
[Nexus 7 General] saadi703:
I totally agree. I have so many other devices which can do whatever I want but I want this device because it is portable so what's the point of connecting it to tv again.

---------- Post added at 04:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:43 AM ----------

That's great that you are very clear with what you want and what are your options. No doubt infinity is great device and can't be compared to this device. However most people who have preordered and sticking with it is because they want a good performing 7 inch tablet which can do all sorts of things beside media consumption. Jelly bean out of the box is another plus. I am not trying to convince you rather making the point that why so many people are waiting in line to get their hands on this device. This also includes me. I don't need another 10 inch device as I already have the new ipad and no other 7 inch is as good as this one.
[Nexus 7 General] savagealien:
It's noted in the tech specs for the Galaxy Nexus' on the official page that it has video out through micro-usb yet the N7's page doesn't list it. Sorry to poke a hole in your theory :(

http://www.google.com/nexus/#/galaxy/specs
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Can never forget - the Nexus and the Nexus 7 are not made by Google.

Samsung makes the Nexus - and is a MHL provider.

Asus makes the Nexus 7 - and is not a MHL provider.

I would expect each partner that Google pairs with to bring their individual strengths to the table - which is why it was no surprise that the Nexus had MHL.
[Nexus 7 General] AleT:
You could always get a raspberry pi, and run android transporter on the N7.

http://esrlabs.com/android-transporter-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[Nexus 7 General] alex980:
doesnt seems to be very smooth.

I hope for a small chance to get mhl working on nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] giubari:
I think it's just a question of time somebody will open it and check if the hardware is capable.
[Nexus 7 General] chronicle:
Hmmm - has anyone seen the Nexus 7 Teardown on iFixit?

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/1

Step 2 - and I quote - "nitially, the Nexus 7 was criticized for its lack of HDMI output. However, the included micro USB-to-HDMI cable solves that problem."

WHAT?!
[Nexus 7 General] bleclair:
I was just coming here to post that!!! :laugh:

Man, what the heck. That looks like just a normal micro to regular USB cable. Wish I could see the cable ends better.

EDIT: The comments are pretty funny clamoring for clarification/verification.
[Nexus 7 General] chronicle:
Definitely says HDMI on the other end. Must be a hoax or misunderstanding?!
[Nexus 7 General] Matt1408:
Beat me to it. Hmmm, what is going on here?
[Nexus 7 General] bleclair:
That cable definitely doesn't look like the one included with the charger...

https://play.google.com/store/devic...sMSwyLDExMSwiZGV2aWNlLW5leHVzXzdfY2hhcmdlciJd

Has anyone else ever seen a cable that goes direct from microusb to HDMI though???
[Nexus 7 General] P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
The possible micro usb end looks like a cable that you would plug into the Nexus Q, possible mix up?
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
Sounds like good news then
[Nexus 7 General] chronicle:
No, never...certainly not with a male end.

It's definitely a micro USB on one end, but the alleged HDMI end is male too? And not one I know...I mean how would that work anyway?

Even though this is the developer's version, why have a cable of that design, and wouldn't it only work if the MHL chip was present, which it isn't!?

Get the feeling that this will create a mini internet storm in a teacup, followed by let down. :laugh:
[Nexus 7 General] zinv:
I'm gonna be really skeptical about this until someone knows for certain. Don't want to get excited about something that won't be a feature. It would explain though why during I/O they were able to mirror with just the microusb and audio jack.

edit:

Could it possibly be some sort of dp cable? not really too familiar with displayport but just curious.
[Nexus 7 General] UnlikelyBarley:
It could be an MHL cable for newer TVs that have a powered MHL HDMI input. The necessary electronics could certainly be housed in the oversized plug bodies... Perhaps the HDMI end even has another micro USB power port on the hidden side... Who knows? We'll just have to wait until the production models start getting delivered.
[Nexus 7 General] rferrett:
Was just coming here to post that ifixit link.

I reckon that they have just made a mistake
[Nexus 7 General] chronicle:
OK - the above quote by Lawguy makes sense ( in this thread )
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Well if you really want to drive up the hits to your site - you make a mistake like that.
[Nexus 7 General] lawguy:
True buy ifixit does not have a reputation for doing that kind of thing, does it?
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
Just saw nexus 7 has hynix ddr3 ram also. same model as in new macbook pro w/retina display.

Also T30L tegra3. Same as in 300 but recent benches show nexus 7 scoring higher.
[Nexus 7 General] xthaox:
Looking at the 2 images of both sides of the motherboard, we don't see any MHL chip neither, which means the cable shouldn't work (but of course I really really hope it does, somehow I don't care lol).

I wonder if Google mixed up in packaging their free units to the I/O attendees, and this cable is only supposed to go with the custom unit they have, not the consumer unit that ifixit receives.

Dang it Google, you keep trolling us :rolleyes:

First the ME307t with announced HDMI support,

then the Nexus 7 display unit with the HDMI port,

then the Nexus 7 demo on stage with the cable connecting to the center micro-USB port, mirroring its screen.

then saying it won't support MHL and USB OTG

while we found out that USB OTG still works, making us hopeful for the possibility of MHL.

and now a unit with an HDMI cable!
[Nexus 7 General] rferrett:
Pah willing to bet folding money that they have made a mistake. I'm leaving work soon and I bet that by the time I get home they will have released a retraction or update
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
The cable shown in iFixit is not a microUSB to HDMI cable, it's a microHDMI to HDMI (see how it says HDMI on the "micro" side)

It's the same cable included with the Nexus Q for microHDMI, see unboxing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knk8gQ7dBOo&t=4m3s
[Nexus 7 General] zinv:
damn ifixit and its misinformation
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Ifixit did one super job with the teardown - one mistake can be forgiven.

Highly recommended read!
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Unfortunately, I believe you are EXACTLY right. I can't believe iFixit made an error like that.
[Nexus 7 General] xthaox:
Yeah you guys are correct. :(

Well I had so much hope for a while

This other video shows cable very clearly, it's included in the Accessory box for the Nexus Q.

Forward to minute 1:45

[YOUTUBE]ovYCo_4rq44[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
Yep sorry to say, really.

The shape of the connector tipped me off, didn't make much sense unless it was meant for the Q moulded plugs.

HDMI Licensing also doesn't allow cables that go straight from male in one protocol to male in another, there has to be a socket plus a standard M-M HDMI cable. This was raised some time ago re some Displayport to HDMI cables.
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
Pitchforks ready. :crying:
[Nexus 7 General] bleclair:
iFixit removed it and made the following comment:

"Sorry guys, we got our wires crossed. The cable belongs to the Nexus Q, not the Nexus 7. We removed that picture from the step."
[Nexus 7 General] CiDhed:
Maybe there will be something in the source.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Definitely only a 5-pin microUSB port shown though.
[Nexus 7 General] Matt1408:
Scumbag ifixit, mixing up accessories.
[Nexus 7 General] clubtech:
Yea that cable is definitely not in the box of my IO tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] brokentoaster24:
While disappointing, I'm still super excited for the 7

sent from my evo 3d
[Nexus 7 General] joelee100:
Sorry, I'm no expert but from what I have read...A 5 pin micro usb port...as opposed to a 4 pin port which I have also seen reported... would still hold out hope that MHL could be an option on rooted phones with custom roms?
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Yeah but knowing that it IS a 5-pin micro USB port should rule out the idea of there being an adapter of some sort plugged in-line with a standard MHL adapter similar to what Samsung is doing with the GSIII. (The new microUSB port on the GSIII is an 11-pin port & requires an adapter.)
[Nexus 7 General] pokey9000:
There is no such thing as 4 pin microUSB.
[Nexus 7 General] giubari:
So Do we have any clear ideas about MHL yet?
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
Yes, it is a thing.
[Nexus 7 General] giubari:
We can clearly say now that:

Jeally Bean Stock ROM (

Software

) on Nexus 7:

1. No OTG

2. No MHL

Hardware

on Nexus 7:

1. Yes OTG

2. No MHL.

Possible way to make things work in future:

1. OTG = Custom Rom\Patch\Rooting = Software Fix

2. MHL = Soldering = Hardware FIx

Thank you guys.
[Nexus 7 General] jtc276:
How hard would say soldering would be? Could someone with minimal hardware experience (me) be able to do it with a walk through? Also, would it change anything about the tablet size-wise?
[Nexus 7 General] Arkish:
Might be some hope here for a few bucks more than a MHL cable:

http://esrlabs.com/android-transporter-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[Nexus 7 General] jtc276:
Wow. $25 for the Raspberry Pi and then the software is free. Not bad at all.

EDIT: Is there any reason that this wouldn't work on the Nexus 7? If not, then I'm seriously going to go out and buy the materials to go towards it now. I'm really bored at the moment.
[Nexus 7 General] xthaox:
Except at the moment it seems really hard to get the Raspberry Pi, I heard that the order queue is like several months waiting.

And the price on Ebay is way higher than $25.

This seems to be a similar solution to using the HTC Media Link HD, but not sure if anyone has made it works with other Android devices yet beside the One X, One S, and it's expensive too.
[Nexus 7 General] jtc276:
I noticed that it was unavailable on the sites it was being sold on. Oh, well. I'm sure some other solution will come around.
[Nexus 7 General] biggiestuff:
Does the nexus 7 have wi-fi direct support like the galaxy nexus? I saw some video of the VIA wondermedia smartstream that supports wifi direct. Probably won't be available for a while though :(.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
From what I have read - Android Beam on the Nexus 7 uses NFC to do WIFI pairing, then uses WIFI Direct for data transfer.

Should make for some cool games...
[Nexus 7 General] Samiad:
So if it's looking more and more likely that MHL is not possible, can anyone suggest the next best alternative for a similar tablet that can? I was looking at the Samsung Galaxy 7.7 but it's such a jump in price when all I need is just a simple HDMI output :(
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
The ACER Iconia Tab A110 is everything the Nexus 7 is not, also $200, but the screen is not as good (and no NFC built in). If you can wait a month, we may know exactly when the A110 will be available. ASUS might also release its original, non-crippled $250 7" tablet, as well as other manufacturers releasing products to compete.

Since the Nexus 7 is in pre-order stage only now, there is little drawback in waiting till the end of July.
[Nexus 7 General] MWBehr:
The whole $25 thing was a bit of a farce. It actually ended up being $40 + local sales tax. That, and like mentioned above they're on eternal back order.

As for will it work....absolutely no reason why not, it's just a wifi connection. Plenty of other devices that would stream through wifi though.
[Nexus 7 General] tsruggles:
So, I didn't care about TV out capabilities before reading this thread. I preordered without even a whispering thought about TV out. Now, after reading this ENTIRE thread non-stop, I have gone from:

Not caring - Interested in the possibility

Interested in the possibility - Getting pissed that it doesn't have it

Getting pissed it doesn't have it - Clinging to the hope it can be worked out

Clinging to the hope it can be worked out - Crushed by the probability it will never work

Crushed by the probability it will never work - Attempting to cancel my preorder

Attempting to cancel my preorder - Realizing I forgot to take my meds and taking them

Realizing I forgot to take my meds and taking them - Not caring anymore.

After this emotional roller coaster I made a surprising discovery. You too can test this method.

1-Sit in front of the TV you wish to display your handheld device on.

2-Take ANY handheld device and hold it about a 18 inches from your face, make sure that you can see both the TV and the handheld device in the same view.

3-Observe that with only minor adjustments, your handheld device will appear to be EXACTLY the same size as your TV, no matter what size your TV happens to be.

(I figured that my reply to this thread would be infinitely more helpful than some of the replies that I have read.)

Tapped from my rooted LTE Galaxy Nexus running any variant of the 4.1 port using Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
Yeah, great idea, Mr. Gorilla Arm. And this works out great to watch a video with a wife or girlfriend or with a class or in a meeting too. Just bring enough 7" tablets for everyone to hold at arm's length ;-)

Who needs freaking $3 MHL when you can just buy another $200 device?
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>So, I didn't care about TV out capabilities before reading this thread

It's a normal mob tendency (no negative connotation). You find there's a missing feature X. You're not sure you need it, but the group sure does, and hey, if they do then you want it too! People feed off each other, so as the consternation rises, they go into a raging mob. It becomes a wrong that must be righted.

You've hit the cycle pretty much spot on. It's happened before in other forums, and IRL as well (take any social wedge issue). HDMI-out isn't that big of a deal, but it does have some use. Big-screen gaming is more attractive, say.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I remember using doubleTwist to stream video wirelessly to my Apple TV from a cheap Coby tablet about a year ago. I remember it working pretty well actually, but I didn't have that tablet for very long. Anyone else have any experience with this app or apps like it to get video out to a TV?
[Nexus 7 General] Kuroemondora:
So it will not have MHL but still OTG right? with this tablet i will only care about the otg :D
[Nexus 7 General] alex980:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/1

Here are a lot of inside pics ...

one of the interesting ones:

http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/cXraFOHXUWIItNnO.huge
[Nexus 7 General] phil-t:
That was yesterdays news and if anything it shows now Physical driver MHL IC.
[Nexus 7 General] NamenIos:
Crosspost from the teardown thread, maybe there is hope for an easy hardware mod.
[Nexus 7 General] rferrett:
I thought the status quo was that MHL was a definite no, but usb OTG was possible but we are not yet syre.

My understanding was if it is a software limitation will be sorted but it might be that the micro usb is not 5v and therefore USB OTG would never happen either.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] halfcab123:
(SOMEONE PLEASE PROVIDE PATH TO STOCK BOOT ANIMATION SO I CAN UPDATE THE CORRECT PATH) AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT CORRECT)

Here is a ported Jelly Bean boot animation. Had to port it over Because the OTA file actually had the resolution set at 640 x 640... not sure if that would have worked, but there was also some incorrect characters in the desc.txt. So I fixed all that and booted it up on my Galaxy Nexus, no problems. Should work on any 720p phone period, but here it is.

Taken from this file

5a07884d325c.signed-takju-JRN84D-from-IMM30D.5a07884d.zip

Here is the bootanimation, its a flaming nexus symbol basically.

>>>>>>>>> HERE <<<<<<<<<<<

1. rename to bootanimation.zip

2. mount system r/w in root explorer

3. move to /system/media

4. change permissions to rw-r--r-- or chmod 644 if using adb

5. boot and enjoy
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Tiffany84:
Looks Great!! Thanks:D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] brandontrout:
Looks cool, can anyone confirm working on one x?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanbmw51:
I followed steps and it didn't work. Just rebooted normally.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Oli1122:
That means you didn't over write the file correctly. Try again but delete or rename the existing bootanimation.zip in /system/media before copying the new one, and be sure you are using root access. :laugh:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Artood2s:
Our boot animation is in /system/customize/resource

Folder is named boot.zip or "ATT boot something" depending on the ROM you are running. Just back up the right file and rename it.

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanbmw51:
That worked! Looks good. Thanks fellas and ladies.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] stnguyen09:
Seems stretched vertically?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phertiker:
Mine too, but still looks pretty great.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] signati:
And to anyone with a stretched animation, try this one out.

Changed the resolution to 512,512 (the image size) and fixed desc.txt

Works well on my SGS1/CM9
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] abombletap:
I cannot even paste the .zip anywhere by using root explorer cause the file error says. "Cannot move file cause it read only" I have it renamed
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mcmb03:
click the button that says "Mount R/W" and try again
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kinglau719:
not work for me :crying:

but i am trying
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] wongSlam:
Thanks, fixed the stretched resolution for me! Simply renamed the original one and copied and pasted the new on using ES File Explorer. Hope that helps!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nasir javed:
HY every one i need your help to edit a application . actually i want to create just a application in which i put some good wallpapers. but i dont know how to do . then i think editing a application is easy then making a new application . on google play there are different applications which contain only wallpapers like glaxy s2 wallpapers etc. so i want to edit it just want to changey its name and all of its wallpaper with wallpaper of my choice. so if any one know how to edit application please help me or redirect me to a thread. in way if making new application is easy then plz help me to make this type of aaplication................. thanks to all Members
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jiffer1991:
There is a program called apk manager

it decompiles the apk so that u can edit it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1664292
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nasir javed:
thanks its helpful..........
[Samsung Infuse 4G] slider2828:
Is there a way to extract it? I want it for a boot up screen... hahaha

Just go to about phone | tap on android version. Then hold down on the ice cream sandwich man and they start flying.......
[Samsung Infuse 4G] xIC-MACIx:
There are several pieces that go into it. Ranging from from animations & images in framework-res, systemUI, and pretty sure I've seen pieces elsewhere too.

If anything you could find an app that records the phone screen like system tuner & and let it play for a while, save and go from there