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[Nexus 7 General] IPvFletch:
Meh on the display, Meh on the mfr, and Meh on the OS/support.. It will be worse off than any of my Samsung devices, most of which I'm STILL waiting for updates for, or having to run custom ICS roms myself.. I wouldn't buy any Tier 2 android devices, unless it was an official Google Nexus branded device which I know Google won't abandon support for anytime soon...
[Nexus 7 General] regalpimpin:
Something like bubble upnp, or iMediashare.

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And I'll repeat again since there are so many of these threads.

You can use an HTC MediaLinkHD for streaming to a tv.

Purchase and plug in medialink.

Go to the market and search for "medialink" Install an app called Wi-Fi Media by Cavium. (will not come up if you search wi-fi media)

When you open the app, you can pick any of your music or video stored on the device, and for the output renderer choose the medialinkHD.

Simple as that.

Yes, you can always do this via your ps3 or xbox, or home theater pc.. ETC. But this provides a traveling solution. That will work in more then just your own house.
[Nexus 7 General] bigbeerdrinker:
Thanks for your help!
[Nexus 7 General] Raistline:
I was really hoping the there was a way to do TV-out on this device, if paired with the Raspberri pi will work than I don't mind spending the extra 25+ for it as the raspberri pi will be a fun toy just to mess with as well.

Basically I have been looking for a cheap solution to playing NES/SNES/Sega MS/Sega Genesis on my TV. I have not been able to configure a setup to do this for under $350. I was going to go the way of Raspberri pi but so far getting this to work has been unsuccessful in most cases or only works partially. This tablet was my hope plus is a Nexus device. I know it can handle 2 BT devices at once so I can play multi-player NES games with friends using what is already available on the android platform.

Maybe there will be another Nexus out soon that can do this, or if the Raspberri Pi support for Android transport comes out on this device, I will be buying it for sure. Or as others hope, there may be a dock that has video out.
[Nexus 7 General] gagaetan10:
The mhl port work maybe because the jack and microusb is conecte it's maybe a adaptater Jack 3.5 - microusb to hdmi is maybe possible beacaus i know as a oldest device worked only with jack port 3.5 (av out)
[Nexus 7 General] Eagle1337:
You can't do hdmi out on the nexus 7 end of story
[Nexus 7 General] ckl_88:
Read This:

Short story... nvidia wireless streaming embraced with Tegra 3...

http://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-miracast-tegra-3-support-103749/

LOOK MA! NO WIRES!!! LOL.
[Nexus 7 General] krelvinaz:
I have a Warpia device connected to my TV. My son uses it to stream stuff from a notebook all the time (Youtube a lot which works better than the PS3 browser).

Warpia is supposed to have Miracast support, but I don't know if the one I have has it. Would be WAY COOL to use...

The current setup has a USB like dongle on the unit and plugs into the notebook. but it is possible that an app will enable the WiFi direct (which the Nexus 7 has) to go directly to the device.

In anycase, I think this is going to be available really soon.

Note the video shows it being used on a Playbook.
[Nexus 7 General] gagaetan10:
so the HTC MediaLinkHD work with this technologie of wifi display !?
[Nexus 7 General] xthaox:
Yes,

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/21/wi-fi-media-lets-your-nexus-7-play-movies-on-any-screen-via-htc/

But so far, not mirroring the screen yet.
[Nexus 7 General] gagaetan10:
maybe in the next custom rom if the dev would like make a mirror screen compatibility based on rom of htc one X
[Nexus 7 General] rocker292003:
Not sure if anybody else found this thing but ive been searching and the only real option to stream an HD screen is via wifi and going along with that line of thought I found a device called 4tv available on Amazon

Their app on the Google Play Store is the 4tv android controller

Contacted them through Play

and conversation as follows

me

Is this app and device compatible with mirroring display on 4.x android devices

Thanks for your time

David Liu china.david.liu@gmail.com

Yes！

me

So its fully compatible with 4.0 and 4.1 devices? May I ask which devices have been tested on and verified

David Liu china.david.liu@gmail.com

G14，9100

Let me know if anyone has used this or have heard of it
[Nexus 7 General] cryporchild:
Sweet! I'll have to check that out!
[Nexus 7 General] krelvinaz:
All of the hardware that I see for AV4 use 5GHz Wi-Fi or other (One I looked at was 60GHz).

The Nexus 7 doesn't have 5GHz Wi-Fi.

G14，9100 are TV's with built in AV4.... so not stand alone boxes. If you already have the great...
[Nexus 7 General] dave7802:
Av spent ages reading up on TV out, and other possibility's

and was getting a bit naffed of it didnt have it.

Then i woke up one day and realised, wtf! my phone has MHL (SGS2)

So problem solved. lol
[Nexus 7 General] stezo2k:
How does one go about this? I need this adaptor :p
[Nexus 7 General] player911:
That's awesome. Just a dongle that plugs into HDMI on the TV. I wonder hoe much it'll cost and if devices like Roku are capable of receiving the signal...
[Nexus 7 General] akbar26:
wow miracast looks pretty awesome. hope it comes soon with a nice cheap dongle lol.
[Nexus 7 General] jova33:
So.... there's no way to plug in my nexus 7 and watch Netflix on the TV?
[Nexus 7 General] AraDreamer:
Read and ye shall find:

ATM, a few, but not direct mirroring yet.

Miracast will be functioning and rolled out this fall, and it'll be wireless, so if u need anything it'll be a dongle.

HTC has a device out with limited functionality.

-Ara
[Nexus 7 General] Run L1ke H3LL:
I wouldnt mind shelling up to $20 for a dongle plus an app to stream to my television. Actually i wouldnt have minded spending an extra $50 on the device to get that functionality built in.
[Nexus 7 General] krelvinaz:
$20 might be a tad bit on the light side, but a Raspberry Pi with Android Transporter might be a doable solution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyoZoNA8U24
[Nexus 7 General] jova33:
Will this be HD quality though? I gotta watch my porn in HD lol
[Nexus 7 General] krelvinaz:
there are lots of q&a on the raspberry pi forums as well as the developers website that provide more info on Android Transporter

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] player911:
This is just one reason to grab a RPi. The RPi doesn't have wireless though so it requires a lan connection into the network.

Cool thing is that any device could use it as long as it is able to broadcast video over WiFi. This is almost like reverse Splashtop. Bad thing looks like there is some lag between the device and the unit. I don't know how this will fair with gaming although they did display it playing a game. It probably wouldn't be the best for games hat require split second timing like FPS.
[Nexus 7 General] Boogie1979:
VLC Direct Pro

Check out VLC Direct Pro

Great if you have a media centre or computer/laptop hooked up to your tv.

Also Miracast coming soon :o

Looking forward to it only problem is i have to buy a new tv or if i wait long enough someone will come out with a blackbox decoder with Miracast and wifi built in, HDMI out. If anyone runs with that idea please send me a free box. Thanks.

Bogdan.
[Nexus 7 General] WarningU2:
thank you

Thank you for the information provided here ... Saved me some angst. Guess I will purchase chromecast.
[Nexus 7 General] Ineedtoys:
Such boxes are already available, e.g. Netgear Push2TV
[Nexus 7 General] AqCwW:
no.accurately i can ensure the model 2012 doesnt support the mhl
[Nexus 7 General] theniel:
It still remains to be seen if it can be implemented with a software mod. If the developer model supports video out then I'm thinking there must be a way for this to do it.

Also it's under $300, at that price it does what it was intended to do perfectly.
[Nexus 7 General] ap3604:
I might be doing the same thing soon :crying:

Not that I'm mad at Google over this, I love them for pushing the industry towards the $199 tablet with great quality, just that being able to play Netflix / Emulators on my big screen TV via MHL adapter was a pretty big feature since I was going to sell my laptop for this.
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
a dock comes to the rescue?

Keep in mind that the Nexus 7 was described (somewhere) as having contact points for a dock. If a small, cheap dock comes out, then I'm still game. If there is no way to get wired video out, then the Nexus 7 becomes a niche device for me.

Update: Oops. I see richaoj already raised the dock issue in post #17.

To animez, using DLNA is an option, but having no wired video-out prevents the Nexus 7 from being a DMR or a player when there is no DLNA-compatibility.

A mini-dock that has HDMI-out basically makes this fully functional as a personal video player again.
[Nexus 7 General] neok44:
the pogo pins basically confirm a dock that should include HDMI.
[Nexus 7 General] iJimaniac:
Wow, what a bummer, I was so excited, but TV out was one thing I really wanted! I could live with no microSD, but I desperately want a device with TV out, since my galaxy player doesn't have it. I hope you are right about the pogo TV out!

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[Nexus 7 General] Hemidroids:
What a bunch of whiners. It's a $199 tablet. The profit margins are razor thin. If you want more quit crying and go buy something else for 2 and 3 times the price.
[Nexus 7 General] iJimaniac:
Oh brother, are you saying you wouldn't like TV out? They could have put MHL in this for no extra cost, but whatever. This tablet is still the most amazing thing on the market, so don't let me get in your way. I was just saying that I only wanted a new android device with TV out, so I will have to unfortunately pass on this extraordinary device. I here Asus has something similar coming with TV out, I might see if that ever comes. I wasn't whining, I was just saying that this is to bad, because I can't get this amazing device anymore. I already have android, I just need it on my TV, lol!

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[Nexus 7 General] mymusicathome:
The lack of micro sd and apparent lack of MHL support definitely are a disappointment..... micro sd I can live without and if I want MHL support I can always jus use my phone :)

Can't wait till it's shipped

Sent from my SGH-I727R running AOKP build 40
[Nexus 7 General] SilentMobius:
Impossible over the provided 4 pogo pins, MHL needs a single differential pair and a control connector, there would also need to be power and ground. So even if MHL was possible over pogo-pins (I would guess the connection would be way too noisy) the N7 doesn't have the minimum needed 5 pins.

That said, people have illustrated that the dev versions have a HDMI port off to the side, _but_ in the keynote when they are showing the "inside" streetview, they are mirroring the display and you can clearly see that the only connected cable is micro-usb in the center and audio to the right the right, so the T3 SOC itself _must_ be capable of it
[Nexus 7 General] antwan*:
Just to clarify, DLNA streaming doesn't require anything from the hardware side? Assuming one has a DLNA capable TV (I assume most do nowadays?), what's the downside compared to MHL? Also can't we just use a dongle to connect to the micro usb in order to get MHL or something of the sort?
[Nexus 7 General] Jyveafk:
Bah, so.. How do we order the dev tablets with the hdmi outputs!
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
That doesn't mean they were using the microUSB port for mirroring, it could be just to keep it charged (really bad if it ran out of battery during a demo..)

For the mirroring they could be using something like the xBounds app via Wifi.
[Nexus 7 General] sukhman25sms:
So does this mean no USB OTG? :confused:
[Nexus 7 General] redthunda69:
I'm willing to wait for Xbox SmartGlass. Lack of MHL isn't a dealbreaker for me; I probably wouldn't use it anyways.
[Nexus 7 General] REAVER117:
Well DLNA streaming would require:

1. An app on the Nexus 7 to serve media (such as UPNPlay)

2. A wifi/ethernet network

3. A display with built-in DLNA (also needs wifi/ethernet connectivity)

4. Video/Audio codec support on the Display

And this will only work for media streaming, no screen-mirroring, no Netflix, no emulators. MHL requires an adapter to work with HDMI, you can't convert a non-MHL micro USB to an MHL port with an adapter.
[Nexus 7 General] DrunkFuX666:
USB OTG is 100% confirmed...

I think for the $199 price tag plus the $25 free apps plus subscriptions to magazines... your basically paying $175 for it... if not less... even if it doesn't have mhl screw it... as some have mentioned there are alternatives... but at that price seriously guys... really don't think its something to be so disappointed about...

Sent from my Galaxy ICSII
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
Would you mind saying where was it 100% confirmed?

Is it confirmation of 5V supply and support for mass storage devices too, or is it just about having USB-OTG in the kernel config?
[Nexus 7 General] Gorjess:
No it doesn't have mhl output capabilities, confirmed by engadget.. but for a $200 tablet it's still acceptable, if you're dealing with tablets on this price always expect something is not right even though the specs are good..

USB OTG now comes as a standard on every android 4.0+ devices CMIIW..
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
Really? But didn't Galaxy Nexus require rooting and something like the Stickmount app? Not sure it comes as standard.
[Nexus 7 General] dalkor:
OTG support and partition mounting are different things.

If Galaxy Nexus didn't have OTG support, no app would be able to mount a flash drive.

Given the fact that Nexus 7 has already been rooted I see no problem in using Stickmount or whatever other app.
[Nexus 7 General] :
It is disappointing about the lack of MHL or video out, but not a deal breaker for me. I rarely used it on my Asus Transformer, it was more of a novelty, impress my friends sort of thing. As others have said, it's still a $199 tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
$5 for one-quarter of the functionality? I can only hope that simple, cheap cradles will make the missing video player functionality mostly a moot point.

But where are the cradles? Maybe the 4-month rush means all the ducks are not in a row. But I at least want to know before ordering that there is a straggler duck coming along some day.
[Nexus 7 General] Fall Guy:
The upcoming dock is audio/charging station NOT video

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46308/asus-nexus-7-audio-dock
[Nexus 7 General] DrunkFuX666:
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...sort=0&page=1&slug=google-nexus-7-mini-review

Sent from my Galaxy ICSII
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
antwan, if the Nexus 7 is DLNA-capable only, if that is the only way to get the video out of the box, then the video processors, I would think, are wasted on the small screen as they will never be fully utilized. DLNA is a file transfer protocol and/or video rendering control (very low data throughput, just control signals.)

DLNA absolutely needs another device, so getting a Nexus 7 for video, if it has no wired video out capability, means you will have to have another DLNA device -- a DLNA TV/screen or a renderer plus a TV/screen, etc. Most currently owned TVs and monitors do not have DLNA built into them.

If the Nexus 7 has MHL, then it could play videos directly into any (almost) TV/screen with HDMI -- or it could be the DLNA renderer playing the video to a non-DLNA TV/screen. It would be so much more flexible as a video player if it has wired capability.

I know engadget said they confirmed no MHL, but they did not say how they confirmed this.

Does no one on these boards have access to a Nexus 7 and access to MHL adapters?
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Obviously, this tablet was meant to be used in conjunction with a Nexus Q.

They could have included features to make it easier to connect to a TV but they did not do that on purpose.

This tablet was introduced by Nvidia & Asus earlier this year @ CES. It was announced to be launching at the $249 price point including the HDMI port & an SDHC slot. Then Google got involved and removed these ports purely so people would buy a Nexus Q. Now people would be more likely to stream movies from the Google Play store and output them to their HDMI equipped TV's through an unnecessary piece of hardware costing $300. Welcome to the "Applification or Amazonificaton" of Google. They could have left in these desirable features but why should they? People will buy this device even without them. Then Google will come out with Version 2 and add in these features and get people to buy another device over again.

Anyone here who defends Google for practicing these tactics is no better than the Apple Fanboy's who defend Apple for practicing the same exact tactics.

I was sold on this device the second Asus & Nvidia were on stage announcing it @ CES for $249. After waiting & waiting for months I felt so deflated when I found out what Google had done to my much anticipated tablet. I can only hope that Asus comes out with a non-Nexus version that has ALL of the specs of their Memo 370T. Or I will just have to wait for Google to announce Nexus 7 II to get my dream tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
It can't be this bad

Saving $5 on the Nexus 7 by not including MHL removes the one of the big reasons for having a Nexus 7 for many.

An acer iconia tab A110, even with ICS and no NFC, is going to to be far more useful for a quarter to over half of the potential audience. NFC is most useful in carry-always phones, not tablets. MHL, especially with extra storage, instantly makes for a full-fledged media player. You just need the video horsepower which the Nexus 7 has.

I honestly still can't believe google and ASUS left out MHL. And engadget did not reveal how they had confirmed MHL's absence.
[Nexus 7 General] ckl_88:
Maybe the email response to my question regarding MHL will confirm it?

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Device Store on Google Play googleplay-support@google.com

6:12 PM (16 hours ago)

to me

Hi ,

Sorry for the inconvenience, but no the Nexus 7 does not have any HDMI out

or MHL.

Thank you once again for contacting us at Google Play Support and if you

have any further inquiries feel free to contact us again.

Regards,

Kelly

The Google Play Team

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The demo video I watched clearly showed the device being mirrored to a larger screen. They should have at least mentioned how they were doing it and if it was through MHL, that the production model would not have this capability so we are not misled into thinking that it does (as were a lot of media sites).
[Nexus 7 General] kenyee:
+1

I think that's *EXACTLY* what happened :(

The chips generally have built-in SD card support nowadays...and HDMI out but you need some hardware buffering chips...
[Nexus 7 General] maw230:
The lack of MHL and HDMI out is indeed a shame. And I agree that it was a shady move by google. This is the beginning of their march into content-delivery and sales. A move proven to be very successful by Amazon and Apple.

All said and done though, for my $228 I don't really care. This is a fantastic piece of hardware and software and with the massive developer community I'm sure it will be hacked to no end. Good things will come.

If you have to have video out, buy something else. Pretty simple really.
[Nexus 7 General] antwan*:
It's also been confirmed by an email exchance between someone from Reddit and Google.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/vs2yt/nexus_7_official_google_response_no_mhl_yes_usb/

Ok so now that we know there is no MHL how do we get video out? I've heard people mention some video out that connects to the 3.5mm headphone hole?

EDIT: Nvm, I just read somewhere that the hardware would have to support that.

What about just through the usb with some sort of application?
[Nexus 7 General] DrunkFuX666:
Haha... this just made me laugh... you headphone hole :D

Sent from my Galaxy ICSII
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
Video out through the headphone jack also requires extra physical hardware (and analog video) which I doubt very much this will have.

Given that the developer units had miniHDMI maybe the solder pads are still on the PCB? A connector could be soldered?

Now to wait and see how easy those things are to open..
[Nexus 7 General] jtc276:
Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If there is 5v of power at the charging port, USB and MHL should be able to be enabled through a hack that will definitely be posted on XDA days after the tablet gets into developers hands. I'm sure after I/O is over and developers are bored they'll figure out the voltage and, if we're lucky, get us USB OTG support and MHL. And, with that, this tablet will officially be perfection.
[Nexus 7 General] XZ3R0:
Yes it [the galaxy nexus] does. I've mounted it before. I can send you pics of it if you'd like. Also read the description on StickMount in the playstore.
[Nexus 7 General] 3dawg:
I had 2 ordered. Cancelled both, for exactly the same reasons you gave.
[Nexus 7 General] dalkor:
I think you didn't quite understand what I have written. In simple words:

It's not Stickmount that enables OTG functionality, on the contrary, OTG is required for Stickmount to work.
[Nexus 7 General] slack04:
Video out on a tablet is a deal-breaker? You know there's $50 android HDMI sticks with remote controls, right? Video-out on a tablet is a gimmick IMO (unless your TV has touch input).
[Nexus 7 General] gkpm:
Unfortunately no. MHL is never going to work without hardware support.

Anandtech confirms this: "In addition, MHL is not supported on the Nexus 7, which isn't very surprising since adding MHL requires another package and would increase BOM cost."
[Nexus 7 General] icoman:
I own a T-mob mytouch 4g slide and it does not have the MHL hardware inside of it like the HTC Sensation does. Devs have confirmed, as another poster already said, there is no way to get HDMI out on it without the proper hardware inside the phone. It does support video out through the headphone jack though so there are android devices that do analog video out. However, I think all hope is lost on any type of video out with the Nexus 7 except for DLNA which doesn't even work on my PS3 with my phone.

Playing android games with a PS3 controller on your big screen TV is a lot of fun, it's too bad this feature is all too often overlooked by hardware designers.
[Nexus 7 General] jtc276:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't know if it has the hardware to support it yet, do we? We know that Google isn't allowing us to use it as is, but possibly with a hack it can be fixed. And, also, does there need to be hardware support for USB OTG or will it just work if there's 5v of power at the charging port?
[Nexus 7 General] dellenrules:
I think is that the NEXUS 7 does have MHL support.

My reasoning you ask...

If you were to use the MHL adapter from the S2/Galaxy Nexus on the S3. It wouldn't work either. You had to use a special MHL adapter for the S3 if you wanted video out.

The article posted earlier said the MHL adapter for the S2/ Galaxy Nexus didn't work. That doesn't mean it's not MHL compatible because it doesn't work for the S3 either.
[Nexus 7 General] SilentMobius:
There is no way that wi-fi streaming would be that low-latency and high quality, they were doing full-page animation there.
[Nexus 7 General] lanwarrior:
AFAIK, all Google I/O attendees received a Nexus 7 tablets, this includes the many bloggers who attended it.

Those who have the Nexus tablet already, I am curious why they won't test TV OUT via MHL or USB OTG...