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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jkrlvgn:
Gonna break this up and this'll be my last on this, because I don't think anyone is getting the message.

Keyword right there. S-Off is better. If you're not saying that it is, then that argument is null. If I were saying that we had the same cars, but I was allowed to get a red one, and you weren't, then I'd see your point. But that's not the point.

It's not ridiculous. All of your settings and information can be saved and moved. Activating a phone is less than 10 minutes, if even that. The money and time you spent on your phone is the same as if/when you flash to another ROM. Actually, I take that back, it's a little longer with the time, because of the extra steps.

If someone (which they finally did, thank you!) said a solution was being worked on, or that they needed something, or that it would be impossible, then none of this would be an issue. HTC isn't being hurt by me or what I decide. This one phone will not determine the success of their company. I don't agree with their decision, but that's their decision. Potential devs won't be swayed by anything you or I say, but what they're able to do with the device (which isn't the same if you're S-ON, I'm sorry, but it's not). If we work toward S-OFF for future versions, or a way to downgrade (which they did with the shift!) then the life span of the phone is MUCH much greater.

No one is yelling at anyone because they have S-OFF -- certainly not me. What is irritating and what I (and others) are upset about is that people are saying that

there's no difference.

There is clearly a difference. Saying there isn't is a lie, and if it wasn't, then no one would be so afraid to exchange. The difference between you and me is that I DO think that everyone deserves a chance to have S-OFF, whether you choose to or not. Why do you deserve it more than someone else? Deserve is a crappy word, and I'm sure that's not what you meant. Saying something like that implies that the people that have S-OFF are better than those that don't. You didn't do anything different than me to deserve anything. I bought the phone, same as you. I deserve the same things, just as anyone else does.

Yes. Fuses and co (not sure who else worked on it) was nice enough to share the exploit for 1.12. My real issue isn't with him, or anyone else that has worked toward S-OFF on any device. My issue is with people who sit there and say that it's the same thing, or that it doesn't matter, because it does matter. It matters more than one is willing to admit. This is proven, since every single person that I've brought it up to that HAS S-OFF isn't willing to exchange. When asked why, at least face-to-face, it's because they know that S-OFF is better. Same with you.

There's a thread with a bounty for S-OFF. Unless someone thinks that it's impossible, or that it's really not the same thing, I think that the money should be collected and given in the form of a new phone to Fuses/whomever. If they were confident that it could be done, though, all they'd have to do is undo their S-Off on the phone that they already have / take an OTA and then break it.

Just saying.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
All I have to say to you sir is why are you posting in forums and not working on an exploit for s-off? Since you deserve it, do something about it.

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
Alright so keep on asking people for them to switch phones with you, hope everything works out. Btw did you see what was posted a few pages back? That they don't have a device to work on the new hboot...so put your money were your mouth is (no disrespect intended) and help them get a newer phone so you can have s-off...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
+10000 jkrlvgn whining about it isn't going to motivate anyone and if you want it so bad donate the money the devs need to buy a new phone or give them yours thats an even better idea :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
Jesus Christ boys, let that be it for fcuks sake. People come here for help and advive
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ProcessorHog:
I tried this in June and it worked beautifully. Thanks to the original devs who wrote LazyPanda!!

Unfortunately I had to send in my damn phone for warranty and of course the lowlives "upgraded" the damn hboot to 1.15. I'm pissed. HTC and their bloody locked bootloader BS. I have to live with this damn thing for the next 21 months - my next phone is going to be one with an unlocked bootloader and something dev friendly even if it looks ugly (in my opinion) like the SGS. Having functionality is more valuable than the looks.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
btw, the sgs3 (especially with Clark44's ICS) kicks ass !

when my call speaker went on my evo 3d and i lost S-OFF,

it was a pain, but i didn't flash/change roms/kernels every few days,

so it wasn't a big deal -to me - at least.

and then the hboot downgrade was released,

which allowed for Revolutionary and S-OFF.

so, it happens. frustrating, but with the workarounds,

flash and get your setup and enjoy the awesome phone !
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ProcessorHog:
Thanks! I'm still using my evo 3d (had to dust it off when I had to send in the Evo LTE for warranty).

Btw, if Fuses sees this - I'm offering my device for the Lazypanda devs to experiment on if you still don't have access to a device with HBOOT 1.15 (also sent a PM). Please PM me back if you'd like me to send it over.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
+1000000 nice gesture :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Fuses:
PM'd
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chong67:
I almost wanted to sell my 1.12 phone bc the LTE tolerence was so bad until the OTA update. Now the LTE tolerence is better.

Next time I will just buy 2 new phones when it comes out. That way, I will always have the earliest version.

I never wait for 2 years to save $ on a phone just for the contract. If you want it, buy it. Who knows, tomorrow you could be run over by a milk truck!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Very, very, cool of you , sir. That is a huge contribution to the community. :thumbup:

from my flying AOKP'd Evo LTE and xda premium
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] PedroDaGr8:
Nice this is VERY promising. Maybe finally I can enter the land of the S-OFF:laugh:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] wwjoshdew:
Oh man... Sending your phone to a developer, that makes two of us! :)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27747621&postcount=861

My name used to be disturb3d1. And awesome Mod helped me change it so people would stop going, OH, I didn't know you were wwjoshdew. lol

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27742735&postcount=860
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chong67:
I am thinking of selling my 1.2 rooted phone by Lazy Panda and get the S3.

Is this sucide?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
yes - use both of them !
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chong67:
The One X+ is coming out soon. So the elite already abandon the 1.15 and 1.19. We have seen the last of this crack for this phone. Is that a pretty good wild and crazy guess?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SquireSCA:
Yup. Most devs only want to work on the latest and greatest, and no phone is the latest and greatest for more than 3 or 4 months at best, so your window to enjoy the goods on any particular phone is very short.

That's one reason that I would love to see less phones on the market. Quality over quantity, less fragmentation, longer dev cycle, etc...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
That makes no sense ...OG EVO is still getting more developement than most phones and its over 2 years old.

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SquireSCA:
That phone is the exception.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
The development on that device is probably a record, 2nd to HD2. I still go back there to say hi and check in, and our dev is 3pgs, theirs is 1178, pretty amazing.

from my flying AOKP'd Evo LTE and xda premium
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chong67:
This phone replace the EVO 3D right? and its totally abandoned.

There will come a day no phone will ever be crack. Just look at iphone 5.

Did HTC learn from this mistake with the 1.12 boot?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SquireSCA:
The problem is that the manufacturers are putting out a gazillion phones at a feverish pace that none sit at the top of the food chain, or in the public eye, for more than a couple months. And the fact that each carrier has their own version of each model of phone makes it even more fragmented for Devs.

It also makes it harder to be profitable, look at HTC. So many phones so often, doesn't leave much time to sell the phone to recover R&D costs and turn a profit.

They need to slow down, put out less phones, make them BETTER and stop worrying about having the latest and greatest on a quarterly basis.

If they focused on quality, they could have better phones, and make more money in the end.

Apple puts out a midly updated phone every 18 months, and it seems to work for them...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
I just wiped my phone with the RUU, and tried FeedPanda. It didn't work.

It hangs after

DO NOT EVEN TOUCH YOUR DEVICE!!!!
=== Waiting for device....

Now I am trying to "unbrick" with PandaFinder, and it isn't working either.

This one hangs after

Lets try unbricking once, before we run it really
Press ENTER to start test

Waiting for device..........

I didn't catch anyone on IRC (freenode network in #JuopunutBear) so I thought I'd post here :-/
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
Sounds like it could be an ADB problem. Did you check to make sure your PC could communicate with your phone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
I did get PandaFinda to lead me back out of the woods.

Then I repeated the process about 20 more times. I never made FeedPanda work.

I reflashed the whole phone with RUU (1.13.651.1)

Incidentially, that RUU uses HBOOT 1.12.0000, thought the difference in numbering boggles my mind.

That is the correct HBOOT version confirmed to work with LazyPanda

I made sure to use a USB port on the back of my tower, on the motherboard (rather than a front USB which might be through a hub)

I also made sure it was NOT a USB 3.0 port

I did the (Optional) step of confirming that adb and fastboot commands were recognizing the device

I used Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32-bit) LiveCD (and wasted time trying to find and install ia32libs when I mistakenly believed I was running the 64-bit version)

I learned how to solve the adb no permissions error

http://ptspts.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-to-fix-adb-no-permissions-error-on.html

I give up. For now I'm just going to use RegawMOD's unlock tool. Then I can flash a new radio without having to upgrade to the new HBOOT which cannot (at this point) achieve S-OFF.

UPDATE: After I used RegawMOD's unlock tool

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1690919

I thought I would give LazyPanda one more try. FAIL

So now that I have an unlocked bootloader, I can flash a new radio, which is supposed to work better with Sprint's rolled out LTE so I did

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1704612

But without S-OFF, I can't flash the damn PRI. I don't know if the radio alone will improve LTE or not.

Grrrr, I guess I still need to get this figured out
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
try using windows and following the guides in post #2. (#475)

linux guide post #1266

full wipe Fresh 5.1.1 (link in post #2). don't install/restore any apps. keep clean.

uninstall anything HTC in control panel/programs, and reboot.

download and install htc driver from lazypanda/unlimited.io link and reboot.

test connectivity. put in old sd card,

give that a try.

wait - were you trying to feed the panda using a live CD ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
Yes. Is that supposed to be a problem, for some specific reason?

Thanks for the refs to other posts with "Instructions". I've tried this literally 100 times, I followed the instructions, about HTC Drivers and all. The steps for Linux in #1266 are exactly what I was doing, over and over.

This only really annoying because it's kind of a black box. I don't know what the problem is, no verbose mode, no logs, so I don't have any way to try to diagnose and fix it.

I may still try full wipe Fresh 5.1.1, now that I have an unlocked bootloader. But Post #2 also specifically mentions stock 1.13, which is exactly what I just did, the 1.13 RUU
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
go with Fresh 5.1.1

i seem to recall a post saying that lazypanda didn't work with ubuntu live cd. only the unbricker did.

i could be wrong, but just trying to help.

and were you using ubuntu 12.04 ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] alucke:
S-off 1.19

Was just wondering if anyone is working to get S-off on hboot 1.19?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SquireSCA:
No, and it is likely that there never will be. But to be honest, you don't really need it for anything. You can already Unlock, Root, install Custom Recovery, flash ROMs and custom Kernels with S-On...

Personally, that is all I will ever need, and keeping S-On adds a buffer of protection, making it one step harder to brick your phone...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] premo15:
Not at the moment...last I heard someone was going to lend the devs a 1.15 phone so they could begin work on it. It's possible that if 1.15 gets cracked they could upgrade to 1.19 and work on it then, but there's no way to know if/when that might happen.

Does anyone know if the devs currently have the 1.15 phone in their hands or is it still in discussion? Sorry if this has already been answered, I skimmed the thread and didn't see it...

Sent from my EVO LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
someone donated their device to them, it had hboot 1.15 on it so they are atleast working on that now. dunno about 1.19, you could go join their IRC channel and ask them if they received any more phones.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Joshnor713:
Not true for the people that don't want to void their warranty.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
Warranty?

How many people get their device repaired by HTC
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Joshnor713:
Dude, I'm on my second Evo LTE. And when I had the OG EVO 4G, I had to get a second one as well. No way I'm doing the HTCDEV unlock thing.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Kisakuku:
HTC is not Sprint, Sprint is not HTC.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] William:
I still have no friggn clue as to how I got s-off when I first rooted my phn? I did Zedomax's 1 click root and that was it. Then being the bright person I am....Got stuck in a bootloop, installed original jewel, rerooted ZM's method (had s-off) then did the dev unlock and now s-on. I read a post saying that I should dev unlock so's I did but apparently the poster was wrong according to another member they say to go with lazypanda to achieve s-off. What I'm wondering is this...Should I reflash/install the original jewel that shipped w/my phone, do ZM's one click method again to see if I get s-off again. What do you guys think?

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NinjaWolf:
+1

Sprint couldn't really give a **** if u voided htcs warranty.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE with xda premium

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Well, what does ur bootloader say?

Does it say soff or son?

Does it say unlocked, tampered, lazypanda?

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE with xda premium
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
I'm on my 3rd and unlocking it is the first thing I do
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
I disagree with this as well. I am Unlocked, but am still S-ON. I can flash the Radio, but if your phone is unlocked, there is currently no way to flash the PRI without S-OFF. Since the new PRI is related to Sprint rolling out LTE in new markets, and the ability of the phone to connect and handoff with 4G LTE, I want/"need" to update my PRI.

Yes, I am aware that just taking the OTA (or side-loading it, now that I'm unlocked) will upgrade the PRI. It will also forcefully upgrade my HBOOT to a NOT S-OFFable version, a cost which I consider too high.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] William:
Like I said in my post...I'm now (somehow) s-on. I haven't done lazypanda. Only thing Iv done IS STATED IN MY ABOVE POST. IV HBOOT 1.12 (Tampered/unlocked/s-on)

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Joshnor713:
I'm confused then. I thought if your phone goes bad and you don't have insurance with Sprint, that Sprint uses HTC's warranty on your phone to get you a new one.

My bad if I have it wrong.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
If you haven't done LazyPanda, I think the real question is how you ever got S-OFF at all. All you reported was

Which is a little suspicious.

How it is S-ON now seems obvious... it's "supposed to be" S-ON, that's the default condition from HTC, and from Sprint, and whenever you do an OTA / flash a new HBOOT
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jorgis1:
How can you update the radio with S-ON? I was under the impression that it was not possible.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] evomike77:
Hboot 1.12 can ...it's just 1.15 and 1.19 that can't

LtEVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jorgis1:
Damn HBOOT. I love my EVO but sometimes I miss my GNEX...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
Its true, as long as you have sprints insurance or best buys or whatever..HTC never sees the phone. HTC dev unlock voids a warrently you will likely never use

sent from my Mean ass EVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Yeah, warranty is something that really only matters to international users, as they don't buy phones on contract like US users.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
Flash Radio while S-ON

Follow the Downloads link in the OP of the following thread for Recovery-flashable radios

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1704612
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] cgrimm9:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1932914 accourding to this thread there is a way to downgrade from 1.15 to 1.12 hboot he mentioned We can gladly use some brave testers to craft a tighter guide and hopefully a dev can make a nice kit for this process. New LazyPanda? I to much of a noob to do this. I know I can I just don't want to risk till more confirm that its good to go.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Joshnor713:
I don't have insurance. When my phone goes bad, I show Sprint and they say my warranty covers it and charges me $35 to get the replacement.

Thus, I'm assuming they mean the phone's warranty (HTC).

Thus, I'm not doing htcdev unlock.

Thus, I need S-off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
that is sprint covering your phone not HTC. if you were using HTC's warranty you would be dealing with them directly and not going through sprint.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
I'm pretty sure you can't s-off without being unlocked because you have to be rooted :p
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] 27s:
The 35$ charge is the Sprint standard charge for non esrp/tep equipped devices. It is 35$ inside or outside of warranty. The year warranty only matters to Sprint for warranty battery replacement, and since Sprint tech's "can't open" the LTE....

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On that same vein: The M&P states that we have to fix/replace devices that have been "factory unlocked , 'rooted' , 'jail broken', etc." If I remember I will grab the M&P and post the quote.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
that is true, i believe the only way to root is to unlock, and without root you cant s-off :silly:, vicious cycle hehe
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
Anyone tried downgrading your 1.15 or even 1.19?

Curious to see for many do it and achieve s off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ScottHW:
No, you are both incorrect. Please make sure you know what you're saying before posting.

Attempting to get S-OFF with LazyPanda does require root, as stated directly on the LazyPanda page

However, from the same page, you can be unlocked, but it is not required

http://unlimited.io/lazypanda.htm

Additionally, you can get root access without being unlocked.

HTCEvoHacks

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1671577

Root and Unlock

RegawMOD

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1690919
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
sweet yea i would love to see that...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jsonger121:
I dont really see what the big deal about unlocking your phone and getting s-off is in the first place. If your on xda that means you like to root, install roms etc....SO WHY NOT JUST DO IT!! You bought your phone so its YOURS. Tell me how many times you have had to use your warranty, because ive had phones since i was 15 and im 24 now and have never used it. I had to use a claim one time and they just strait up gave me a new phone. In my OPINION, dont let your warranty stop you from having fun and doing cool things with your phone...just my .02

by the way i was in sprint 2 weeks ago running viper 4g asking about a service problem and had 2 ppl look at my phone and they didnt even notice i was on a custom rom lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eurominican:
It works 100%

Just wanted to say thanks and testify this works perfect. I simply followed all the steps outlined. I used a 32bit WinXPPro desktop, the OEM HTC micro-USB cable, Sandisk 16GB sdcard and flashed flipz 5.1.1 as guided. Worked as advertised. THANKS AGAIN!!!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] _tru_:
they didn't have cell phones when i was 15. but when i go into my local sprint store (3rd party) we compare roms, rooting processes and kernels all while they're filling out the forms to get me a new phone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] William:
Recently my phone was stuck in a boot loop. I had s-off and have yet to find out how I got s-off in the first place. I originally rooted Zedomaxs one click root method and that's the only thing I had done. I had to reinstall the jewel that shipped with my phone and once again rooted Zedomaxs one click root method. When I went into bootloader I was now s-on. Anyways, I never done lazypanda so after some advice from other helpful members I decided to try lazypanda. I now have s-off but when I try to make a call I get an error 16 message. I can't make/rcv calls but I can browse the Internet? Anyone else have this issue?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Call sprint and have them reprovision your phone. It happened to most of us.

Edit: when you try to make a call, it should route you thru to sprint.

hurled from my AOKP'd Evo LTE. Enjoy.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] William:
I'll go ahead not gv em a call. When I make a call it tells me error 16 sumn sumn else then tells me to call # that was given to me then hangs up. I'll give the screen bandit techies (sprint) a call. Thanks again.

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bog3nator:
Happened to alot of people who had s-off in the future hope you get it fixed. But you could have left out the middle part of your post. What happened in the other forumn is over and done with no need to bring it back up. That part was not needed to describe your problem. Happy s-off!

sent from my Mean ass EVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] William:
Edited. I'm just blunt n honest. Maybe a lil too much. Lol! But thanks for the help guys! I really appreciate it:)

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fuzzynutz09:
what's the word on getting s-off with hboot 1.15? not not nagging, just wanting to know whats goin on with it!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
Search original android development :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fuzzynutz09:
sweet! ****in a! might just try and attempt it! :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
And check the stickies if using xda app.

hurled from my AOKP'd Evo LTE. Enjoy.