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[Nexus 7 General] gbohm:
i think they did not give more space because they want to push their cloud services.

From an economically standpoint it does not make this much of a sense.

i am not sure that it will make 5$ of a difference between 8 and 16gb.

we need to see the numbers from isuppli (i don't really buy the story that amazon is making a loss on every fire) if you see this numbers it seems highly unlikely although i heard it too:

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/pages/New-iPad-32-GB-4G-Carries-364-35-Bill-of-Materials.aspx
[Nexus 7 General] Mikis89:
It's not only about how much storage!

Let's say i wanted to take a pic with my camera on holidays and edit it on the tablet, as it's much easier on a decent screen, with the nexus 7 i should:

1) take the pic

2) move the sd to my phone

3) send the pic to dropbox or something like that

4) download it on the tablet

5) finally edit the file

Sounds easy enough (NO)
[Nexus 7 General] Vrykyl:
I notice everyone has completely overlooked one of Jelly Bean's new features - per device encryption for purchased apps - aka preventing titanium backup etc from replicating paid apps for easy distribution elsewhere.

Removing the external memory is the next logical step in locking down a device - and the more they can 'secure' their ecosystem, the more devs etc google will bring over to android.
[Nexus 7 General] mateorod:
My Nook Color just died, and I was waiting for this release before deciding on my next tablet.

I really was excited about the tablet, I have a number of projects I can't really start until I get ahold of something with this sort of power. (I need something that can truly handle the JDK, even if we just stick with JamVM.)

The lack of microSD kills me. Everything else about this tablet (well, I could do without NVidia too, to be honest) strikes me as the perfect way to really introduce Android to the larger world.

No sdcard? For real? This is the cash grab that all the chicken littles keep squawking about. I feel like they let the air out of my balloon.

I know it was probably too much to hope for that they could have an sd slot with boot priority. But then we might be talking about a perfect XDA slab.

Now I am considering going back to the decidedly non-vanilla Nook/Kindle tablets, only to go ahead and flash the purer Android builds myself. Seems backwards, ya know?

A $250 7 inch, with decent power/display and a microSD. It's not too much to ask, since manufacturers have shown they're willing to concede the price point. It's a corporate decision, not end-user benefit/cost measure.

What maroons. Maybe I'll check out the acer from last year. (They have me considering Honeycomb?!?)

At least they're being prompt with the source.

/ stows soapbox

// learns Chicken Little secret beak-shake

/// buys it anyway (?)

Edit And just because as I was writing, I see several people declare this a cost issue. I doubt that with every fiber of my little body. That isn't why you do this. I don't buy it.
[Nexus 7 General] darcmasta:
I am not to worried about storage on the 8GB device though the idea of USB host is very intriguing. Thanks OP for that idea, you actually helped me save myself extra $$$.

Do you xda-ers know if this is confirmed? I know in most ICS devices USB host is available. After talking to Nexus support, agents were not able to confirm nor deny (50/50) that this is available.
[Nexus 7 General] darkamikaze:
ORRRRR... you can:

1)Set up automatic picture upload

2)Take picture -which automatically uploads after

3)Get your tablet and open the uploaded file

4)?????

5)Profit?
[Nexus 7 General] Tybaltus Prime:
There's always play music... meant for music on the go.........
[Nexus 7 General] Azure1203:
Like I said in the other thread, not having Google Music available in Canada is the reason I'm waiting to buy this.

Otherwise, I don't care much for external storage. I have 48GB worth of storage in my phone, and use about 4GB.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Yup, this thing does everything else I need, but I just have to have the ability to play large video files locally. If anyone gets their hands on this, PLEASE try hooking up a USB flash drive!

If only Google had included a micro-sd slot, I would have ordered 2 already!
[Nexus 7 General] ryhamster:
well tbh coming from a creative ziio 7 (dare you to look it up trust me you will be horrified) this is a huge step up for me tbh i never store much on the devices and im always changing sd slot would be nice but beggars cant be choosers like come on quad core jelly bean and a epic sceen with a/b/g networking im sure am guna buy one and if otg does work then a win for me
[Nexus 7 General] RoboWarriorSr:
Micro sd card slots are cheap but they take up space. That's not the main reason. Google did say about killing off the ad card slot because they didn't want to worry about all the apps2sd problems that come with it. Simply they are lazy to program and are using the same reason apple decided to not use as card slots. Some companies (Samsung) added support for this. This applies to ICS and up.
[Nexus 7 General] RoboWarriorSr:
And also I believe the motherboard that the current Nvidia Tegra is being used doesn't have a sd card slot. This would explain why a majority of devices using this specific motherboard wouldn't have a sd card( eg. Nexus 7 and HTC One X international)
[Nexus 7 General] AznDud333:
while it might not be that big of an issue..it is a question of morals..google is charging people 50bucks for an extra 8 gigs with no easy way to upgrade storage..i'm personally boycotting this tablet just for that..plus asus will push out a similar tablet within a month without the google branding.. at a lower price..so no reason to get this at all
[Nexus 7 General] Mikis89:
Not using a phone to take pics, when i need them to be really great :-)
[Nexus 7 General] aaronpoweruser:
that is the typical mark up on storage look at other android devices or even apple products where its 100. I think you are wrong asus will not be releasing another 7 inch tablet as it makes no sense to compete with themselves.

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I agree on the space but not on the lazy as sd cards are supported in ics and its really simple to enable
[Nexus 7 General] darkamikaze:
If you're doing nice photos... why would you use a tablet to edit them.. D:
[Nexus 7 General] AznDud333:
they will..and if they won't i'll just have to opt for a kindle fire 2
[Nexus 7 General] Mikis89:
Cause i'm often outside of my country and i need to do some cropping, adjust a bit lights, contrast and saturation. So, basic stuff.

Don't want to bring a laptop and a smartphone is just too small, i was waiting for a cheap tablet with a decent resolution for this reason.

Oh well, a couple of months and we'll se dozen i think.
[Nexus 7 General] aaronpoweruser:
Fire 1 doesnt support micro sd cards so i doubt fire 2 will but only time will tell
[Nexus 7 General] digital_pro:
In my case I found Root Explorer (name of app) works fine for OTG attached (and Stickmounted) flash drives, but ES File Explorer does not. Haven't tried Astro. I'm hopeful that whatever the issue is gets fixed by an update to the ROM or the file browsers, but for now I just use Root Explorer.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
This here?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.speedsoftware.rootexplorer&feature=search_result
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
A few problems with that method.

1) slow

2) battery drain for both devices

3) you still have to use your memory
[Nexus 7 General] digital_pro:
That's the one, although weirdly I'm not seeing it in Play Store on my 7 (I restored it from my other tablet using Titanium). I'd also forgotten it cost $4. I'll definitely see if Astro works for me as well, although still not sure why different file managers see the directories differently.
[Nexus 7 General] adiliyo:
It is odd since stick mount places the mount point inside of /sdcard you would think any file manager would be able to read from it
[Nexus 7 General] Mischaseb:
I like this file manager, give that a try

https://play.google.com/store/apps/..._result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm5leHRhcHAuZngiXQ..
[Nexus 7 General] WinDroidGuy:
This is what I use and Root Browser also works.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Good call - thanks for the suggestions and confirmation on which browsers work. Astro is my personal favorite so I'm anxious to hear if that works as well. :good:
[Nexus 7 General] tthaz777:
I think Nexus 7 should have 32gb storage at least.

8gb or 16gb is not enough.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
While I would like to have more storage, keep in mind... that costs money, and each leg up of storage sends the Nexus 7 into a different cost bracket.

For day to day stuff, 16GB is going to be decent for me, and I'm even a tech geek who works in IT and plans to use this thing at work. That being said, I'm also a media junkie when I'm on long trips and whatnot, so having USB OTG capability is a must.

Attn Google: For the sake of decision making on future devices, having USB OTG possible (even though root is required) is the reason I'm not returning my Nexus 7. This feature = absolute requirement on any/all models, regardless of their internal storage space. Period. :good:
[Nexus 7 General] mike216:
I just ordered a San disc cruzer 64GB from Amazon. anyone know if this will work or not? I would certainly appreciate any help. It was cheap to,like 40 bucks

sent from my precious nexus
[Nexus 7 General] mike216:
This is the 64GB flash drive I bought for 4$. I haven't found a better deal. I hope I can use it

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LFT37U/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M2T1_ST1_3p_dp_1

sent from my precious nexus
[Nexus 7 General] ghost-5:
I don't think it does not does the nexus support usb 3 speeds?

Also can you use ex fat file format?

Cheers
[Nexus 7 General] Crafty77:
Will stickmount let you mount an MTP device ? is that covered by OTG ?

What I'm aiming for is to plug in a camera to pull the images down to the N7 so I can review whilst out shooting.

The camera mounts as an MTP device in windows.

Apologies if this is covered, I did search but couldn't find any info.
[Nexus 7 General] Maitzzz:
I use it with my smartphone hotspot. I can stream videos and music trough internet everywhere i want
[Nexus 7 General] Glod:
Just Did some USB-OTG Tests along with the newest StickMount. Rooted of course :)

1. Reads my keyboard and mouse fine separate, i tried an unpowered hub and it didn't work with both though i think its because my keyboard and mouse are razer ones with led lights and stuff. Dont have a powered hub to test

I may actually cary around a little mouse, i love it for logmein

2. With Stickmount for root users, Reads FAT32 formatted 8 GB stick i had laying around, i imagine it can handle larger

- Tested a 1.7 GB XVID avi file with "MX Player" and the thing was playing flawless!!!!!

its my understanding that it wont read NTFS though i havent tested (please correct me if i am wrong); so i guess that means reading even larger files wont be possible copying from windows.

- Tested Editing text files, works fine

my mistake though was buying a horrible OTG/HOST Adapter on ebay, the thing is 6 inches long! it looks absolutely stupid hanging off my nexus. My wfie couldnt stop laughing.

Edit: One note though to add is that it has a habit of "unmounting" when the screen turns off, not sure if that is usual or just me.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Does this happen when you manually hit the button to black the screen or when it goes to sleep on its own, or both?

I assume the N7 doesn't do this when actually watching a video??
[Nexus 7 General] Glod:
nah it looks like it may be crappy OTG-HOST adapter after all

i sat it on a table and it never unmounted once even after leaving off for an hour
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Pardon my ignorance, but are you referring to the cable when you say the adapter, or perhaps the OTG internals of the tablet?
[Nexus 7 General] Glod:
ouch well i mean the little cable may not have good construction, maybe....i dont know, im going to assume its not the tablet internals and be optimistic.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Glod, just curious where did you get that cable?
[Nexus 7 General] mewantnexus7:
Do you mean $40? Not 4
[Nexus 7 General] pclov3r:
Anybody confirmed if keyboard support works as well?

Also this OTG adapter looks much better then a cable http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280920792795&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160 However, You have to try and search for one and find it.

I know this sounds stupid but is it possible to get a USB Ethernet adapter working on it? The only way I think of is if you wrote a driver and loaded it as a kernel module. Does android have loadable kernel modules like modprobe or insmod on Linux systems?
[Nexus 7 General] Crafty77:
Keyboards, mice and ethernet all work according to this thread/other stuff I have read.

You need root & stickmount for usb flash drives.
[Nexus 7 General] pclov3r:
That's good to know!

Looks like I need to find an Ethernet adapter.
[Nexus 7 General] el56:
USB Ethernet

I've purchased this one for $3, but haven't tested it yet (neither it nor my N7 are here yet).

I'll report when I have them.
[Nexus 7 General] digital_pro:
I just tried Astro File Manager and it works fine (as does Root Explorer). ES File Manager doesn't (at least for me with flash drives on 4.1.1 with Stickmount)
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Rooted stickmount users: Anybody having the USB disk unmount when the screen goes black or anything like that? Getting a little nervous about how I wanted to utilize it based on an above post (but could have been bad cable).

Also I assume you have to unmount the disk like normal?
[Nexus 7 General] barrmulio:
es file manager works fine for me w/4.1.1 & stickmount

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no issues here with it unmounting by itself...stickmount will have an icon in notification to unmount when you're ready
[Nexus 7 General] digital_pro:
I haven't had an unmount issue, but a few times when I've taken the OTG cable out with a flash drive mounted, the 7 has died/hung/goneblack, requiring a power cycle. Obviously I realize that in a perfect world unmounting should come first, but sometimes I've needed to quickly pull the OTG cord off to stick the tablet into a pocket and this has happened.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
While it's undoubtedly a bummer it hangs up sometimes like that, I can't say I'm too surprised. Dropping the connection on a dime with external devices to my Linux systems hasn't always been flawless. Same goes for my Mac as well. The real key is whether it spontaneously unmounts on its own, or whether it unmounts when the screen blacks out or anything like that. If it's okay there, I'll accept the extra few seconds it takes to unmount the device in a happy fashion.

Truth be told, I doubt I'll utilize USB OTG that much during typical day to day use around home, work, etc, however with a few trips I'm planning on taking, I DO want to make sure it works flawlessly if I'm going to be relying on the tablet alone for my travels. But based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like a single fluke case where the "unmount when screen is black" scenario took place.
[Nexus 7 General] darthchilli:
Anyone know if the this Samsung thing will work?

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69083&vpn=ET-R205UBEGCAN&manufacture=Samsung
[Nexus 7 General] Mischaseb:
just looks like an overpriced otg cable to me...
[Nexus 7 General] theoneofgod:
I use a 32GB flash stick with an OTG cable, playing 1080 movies with mxPlayer works fine. Just make sure they don't use DTS audio.
[Nexus 7 General] david279:
Also remember that FAT32 has that 4 GB file limit so your gonna need NTFS(read only) or EXT3/EXT4(Read/Write) formatted drive for files bigger than 4 GB.
[Nexus 7 General] theoneofgod:
Yeah, my flash stick is formatted with FAT32. Just use a tool to split them. Takes a minute.
[Nexus 7 General] Mischaseb:
make sure its an otg cable
[Nexus 7 General] Hemidroids:
There have been a few complaints about that adapter. Too flimsy and wobbles.
[Nexus 7 General] Outrager:
The issue digital_pro is talking about is pulling out the cable before unmounting the drive through the Android software.

Power cycle means to reboot the device. Hold the power button down until it turns off then press the power button to turn it back on.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
I wonder if that's the adapter that Glod was using when he was experiencing unmounting issues? I'm still curious to hear what users are saying in regard to their USB OTG support. I've heard a couple people say it's rock solid, no random unmounting, etc., which makes me feel better about how things will be when I get my N7.

You could always scroll down within the product page and past the product number over to us. Then if we search for it in Amazon, that exact product comes up. I tried searching based on your title you pasted but I saw too many possibiities in the search.
[Nexus 7 General] superflysocal:
slightly off topic, but is there an Android app that turns your android phone (and its microSd card) into a wifi hard drive which would then be used to stream videos to the N7? Like turning it into a Kingston wi-drive

I know iOS has one but Android version would be better.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
At first I thought there was a problem searching for it, but I found it on the Amazon.co.uk site (I'm in the US). That adapter looks identical to one I picked up on NewEgg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG0BN6621
[Nexus 7 General] adiliyo:
to unmount there will be a notification for stickmount that you can click on to unmount the drive
[Nexus 7 General] mrfahrenheit94:
How about this? First link when I googled for "android phone as wifi drive"

http://www.howtogeek.com/?post_type=post&p=95009

This might be my solution as well.

Hope it works!

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Actually this might be better

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.ovengamedia.SDCardWifiAccess&hl=en

EDIT: I just realized that you can do it with ES File Explorer under settings, then remote settings. I was able to stream a 720p video to my laptop with this method without stuttering. Not sure with tablet, as I do not have my Nexus 7 yet to test.
[Nexus 7 General] fleshdeep:
Anybody think there will ever be a device for android similar to this??

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Wi-D...269936&sr=8-1&keywords=32gb+kingston+wi-drive
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
The description says "Android support coming Dec '11". I'd be curious to look further into it to see if support isn't already there. Likewise, it says it supports the Kindle Fire in the description, which has me curious...

Interesting read:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=18898&news=kingston+wi+drive+available+android+devices
[Nexus 7 General] tjupille:
I just got a 32GB WiDrive and it works fine with my Nook Color (CM 7.2).
[Nexus 7 General] fleshdeep:
Seems it said support came in November of 11. I missed that the first time.
[Nexus 7 General] superflysocal:
Do any of the above methods actually create a private wifi network with a unique SSID, or does it work through your pre-existing home wifi network and SSID. If the latter (which is what I suspect) then what's the point (in regards to our current discussion) when it comes to alternative storage methods. When at home just stream from your home PC (with much larger storage), why stream from phone? I was thinking away from home when travelling, to be able to access your phone storage as a wifi hard drive would be awesome.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Ha, imagine that. A LifeHacker story about "are we paying for space we'll never need in our mobile devices?"

http://lifehacker.com/5926259/youre-probably-paying-too-much-for-storage-space-you-dont-need

The article seems pretty unbiased, as it definitely dances around the idea that some peope could manage to crush a 1TB tablet if they had it in their hands. That said, the majority very well may be overpaying. I certainly don't think I'll ever max out the onboard 16GB memory, but I also full well know a root + stickmount install later I could be hooked up to external media to upload/download content that I may not have a network connection (or a fast enough connection) to achieve otherwise, which is likely to happen for those that may travel a lot.
[Nexus 7 General] barrmulio:
why in the world would you get this this though?

you can get a otg cable for <$5 and 32gb microsd+adapter for $20, and not have to deal with power running out on two devices

for the KF i can understand since it the microsd port can't power otg devices properly w/o an additional power source
[Nexus 7 General] micks_address:
can you use usb memory sticks without rooting for read access?
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
USB OTG (on the go) for storage media does not fully work out of the box. USB OTG however does work out of the box for certain peripherals, such as keyboard, mice, etc.

Storage media - External hard drives, flash drives, SD card readers/SD cards. They all fall under the same category. Note that some devices (like bigger external hard drives) tend to be more power hungry, and may not be able to obtain full power from the USB port on the Nexus 7. Initial reports so far from users testing this have been positive on that front, though, but throwing that out there in case you try a flash drive and it works whereas your external hard drive does not.

While USB OTG storage does not work out of the box, it at least has the support integrated into the kernel. What's missing is the software to mount the device. That's where StickMount (free on app store) comes in, as it's basically a USB device mounter. If you've used Linux before, you might have noticed that in order to mount a device at a specific location, you need to be root (sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/storage, for example). Sudo = root... so of course, StickMount needs root access in order to complete this task.

TL;DR - Yes, you need root + StickMount for USB storage devices. Based on what I read though, rooting sounds rather easy (as expected) on this device. I remember rooting my LG Optimus T cell phone (super low end Android phone) that it was a one click root process with the use of a rooting app. I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true for the Nexus 7.

(the above is based entirely on the extensive googling I've done on the subject. I don't have a Nexus 7 in hand to further confirm what other users have reported)
[Nexus 7 General] stuntdouble:
Anyone know if using (or maybe already tried) the usb cable that comes with the Nexus 7 coupled with a female A to female A usb adapter will allow the OTG connection to work with a flash memory stick please?
[Nexus 7 General] mathufu:
My 8gb is on the way and I doubt I will even use all of that with everything connected to the cloud (Google Music, Google Drive, Etc.)

Anytime I need a connection I can use my rooted phone to tether and BAM!... connection to the cloud.

Don't over-think it.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
That works for some people, but not all. I barely have a usable data connection (2G so I can receive emails), and of course wifi isn't everywhere. I'll sure love having an external HDD on me if I ever go on a long trip - lots of offine media ready to be played!
[Nexus 7 General] Nexcellent:
Just tested:

1. Card reader (WORKS!) :good:

2. Flash drive (WORKS!) :good:

3. 3.5" External HDD with external power (WORKS!) :good:

4. 2.5" External HDD without external power (DOESN'T WORK!) :(

The 2.5" USB drive without it's own power cable is not receiving enough power from the N7 to spin up.