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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MoJoe277:
That would solve nothing. You've singed a contract with the carrier, not the manufacturer. The manufacturer is the one holding back on the update, not the carrier. Atleast in our case...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Says who?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ddochi11:
You signed a contract to buy a phone as it was sold. I am pretty sure that the contract doesn't promise OS updates. My receipt states "Galaxy Note - Gingerbread" and that is what I bought.

They do still support the phone, because they will answer questions and fix/replace the phone when something goes wrong.

"Supporting the phone" and "providing OS update" are two different matters.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Now that I caught my breath after laughing so hard...

There was never an honest attempt by Samsung nor the carriers to provide JB to the Note (SGH-I717). It was a wet dream by Note owners and further propagated by uninformed bloggers. Which was gladly eaten hook, line and sinker by us (am still an "us" since I had a Note before working a deal or two to get the Note 2). As I said before Note was a test in the big screen market after the Dell Streak fiasco. If it failed they had the SIII to fall back on, if it sold well the Note 2 was coming. You got what you got, so stop your complaining, it does you no good and at the end of the day you have ask yourself "why am I complaining" because you did get upgraded from GB to ICS as promised. As mentioned in multiple posts, oh apple did this and ms did that for their old phones, then go buy one. The way Samsung is kicking their butts am very sure apple or ms will gladly accept your money.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
This. I've said this time and time again.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
I love how fanboys can rationalize anything....

"Why should they update the phone at all? You get what you get"

LOL you are actually probably worse than the apple sheep I know, just sayin'
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
Somebody had too much sugar today. Time to come back down to reality.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
Actually it would solve things, if at&T doesn't release jelly bean then we could load tune Canadian and have the features and s-pen suite.

And I want..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
I don't think it was sugar..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
While that is true, it misses the point. By not providing even one full year of OS update support, they are failing to meet the industry standard that has been set by both Apple and MS. They need to look up the concept of "Best Practices"...

Many customers, like myself, will simply take that into serious consideration when it comes time to upgrade.

In the meantime, I'll just continue to run custom roms and hope that is enough to convince me to stick with Samsung in the future... it probably will be sufficient, and I'll probably still get the Note3 anyways, but that doesn't mean I respect what Samsung and AT&T are doing, or how they're handling device support (or the lack thereof).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
why because I don't like getting screwed for something I paid a lot of money for?

look at the charts about android upgrades or lack thereof...

sorry that you people are passive consumers but I am not. if you don't think they aren't doing this to try to force you into buying a new phone more quickly then I would say you are blind.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
"Screwed?" Does the phone not function as advertised without Jelly Bean?

..."you people?"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paulsonmcreilly:
Jellybean for the i717?

A JB release for our AT&T Note will likely look just like the ICS release.

What you REALLY want is Key Lime Pie.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SKyRocKeting727:
Samsung is NOT the bad guy. AT&T is. Trying to force us to get a new phone instead of providing us with a much needed update. There's not much we can do about it. They're in total control and we're in for a long ride. At this point, we can only hope....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PaulF8080:
Did a search on "planned obsolescence". This book review is interesting.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/Planned-obsolescence-s-unplanned-risks-2496471.php#ixzz2MBL5OtWJ
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
My phone works great! Not planning on buying a new phone. Works better than any Motorola, HTC, or windows phone I have had in the past. It was updated to ICS from gingerbread. Does everything I need and more. There is nothing in the JB release that is a "must have" to function. I am sure many will agree.

If you don't like Samsung, ATT, or Android, then go get yourself an iphone or windows phone and make yourself happy.

Waiting patiently for my JB update if it ever comes.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
getting told you are getting an update and then getting strung along and never getting the update or it getting pushed back as long ad humanly possible is not getting screwed?

believe me it isn't just the carriers either..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Where were we OFFICIALLY "told" the AT&T NOTE I717 was getting JB? Link please!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Honeybadger:
Actually the AT&T site does say "coming..."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Actually guys, this was discussed at length earlier in this thread. One of our members linked to a Samsung page that listed north american phones that would be receiving the jb update. He had been following that page and reported here when suddenly our phone was removed from the list.

As it was removed from the site, then you are correct that you can no longer see it. There is no proof that it was ever there. I guess your generation will have it easier. If it isn't youtubed, facebooked or tweeted then it never happened...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Link?

I can't find ANYTHING and I mean anything solid. What I CAN find is a lot of discussion about international/other carriers Notes. Blogs can say whatever they want, but I can't find anything with Sammy or AT&T's name on it. Hearsay. I even searched the archives..

Also, I said press release. That is a completely legitimate Avenue for information as well as emails and change logs l.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
I'm Canadian, check the Rogers or telus coming update pages...

it is listed but the date keeps shifting
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
That is not the AT&T Note. I guess we all need to start clarifying what we've got (this is the AT&T section.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] scottj437:
For the people supporting the vendors and suggesting they even charge for updates, I'm curious what's behind your motivation to post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
Exact same hardware.....

when/if we get it so will you

This is the i717 section btw, there is no Canadian specific section
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
I'm sure this won't change anything in your mind...but if you'd like to get up to speed on this discussion check out post 318 of this thread (page 32)...You can choose to believe the poster's assertion that our phone was listed on the official Samsung page that he links to or not...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Jesus... whether or not it was ever listed anywhere is completely irrelevant. Samsung and AT&T will either meet the industry best practices by providing device update support for a period of 2-3 years, or they won't.

If they fall to meet the well established standard, that fact will simply be taken into consideration when many of us shop for our next device...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
2-3 years has never been the industry practice for update support for Android phones. It is more like 1 year, if that. Can't compare what apple or MS does. It's apples and oranges. Hell 3 years ago I don't even believe we had a 1GHZ Android phone yet. Certainly none with the physical capabilities of running today's Android OS. Just not going to happen with the way Android is evolving and it's market is growing. And it is not just ATT and samsung. It is ALL the North American cellular carriers and ALL the makers of Android phones. Get real and get used to it or go buy your iphone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Correct, but that desperately needs to change, regardless of our prior complacency.

Google is actually making changes to their code that will speed up the entire update process. They're making it so that OEM skins become more like themes that can easily be updated since they will no longer be hooked so deeply within the kernel itself. Granted, the changes probably won't show up until KLP hits, but it's coming. Why? Because they too know that they need to make the update process more efficient, more frequent, and less painful for everyone involved. In other words, they know that they desperately need to match the industry best practices...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Alofile:
My friend N7000 has new update

I just tried my friend N7000 with new Jelly Bean update. It is super fast and smooth. He bought the phone from Hong Kong. Has phone still can got the update in Canada at last week.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crutzulee:
Yeah, even I don't expect 2-3 years (though that would be nice). I don't see how they could possibly turn a profit AND keep churning out the diversity of offerings that they do with that business model.

As I've said, the industry standard and business model for android is evolving as we speak. It will be different then that of any consumer electronics to this point as the product cycle is so rapid.

Apple started this ride by convincing young people that an incremental change in their offering year over year renders last years product "less cool"...still good mind you....good enough for your parents, or those late to the party.

Android on the other hand, is wide open...it's the wild west. The product offerings are wide and varied and google, along with the harrdware manufacturers have to entice us with their new offerings with some kind of real wow factor.

For me, the note's size is a wow factor...but so is JB's fully functioning Google Now.

The point is that a manufacturer's track record will and should be one of the factors that a customer uses in determining their next purchase. The Note was introduced less than a year ago in Canada. If they don't provide a JB update, then I will feel that their support is lacking and will seek out another manufacturer for my next purchase. If I find a manufacturer that provides better long term support (via OS upgrades) but the hardware is lacking then I will have a decision to make.

Most likely scenario is that I will probably , grudgingly buy a Note 3 as form factor will win out over longtime support. For others, the decision will be different. But make no mistake about it....As the market evolves, consumers will take into account and manucturers will have to balance OS support windows vs product cycle...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] memo80:
Found This Today, interesting how they think ATT might update in March

http://www.pc-tablet.com/19064-roge...laxy-note-android-jelly-bean-update-in-march/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
This. Very well stated.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zancro:
Where did that come from?

I didn't say I quit using "it" whatever "it" is. If you are referring to the Dell Streak, I used that device for three years before retiring it and moving on to Samsung. I did so because of their superior reputation for product support. Now I am questioning whether or not that reputation is founded.

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Yes sir, I don't think anyone expects a manufacturer to support a product indefinitely, but Dell never really got behind the Streak, and gave up on all support after less than two years. I'm just hoping Samsung does better by the Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
If it's really out there, just wait a day or two for the flashable version... MUCH easier. Good things come to those who wait...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
Considering there is nothing on the T-Mobile note forums I highly doubt it is true
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
There's nothing in the T-Mobile forum because very few people aren't hang there lol.

But yes I got a software update reminder this morning. I'll be patient.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was your IMEI code that determined the carrier software update and not the firmware that is on the phone. So if you have an I717 then you won't get a T-mobile software update. Only one from ATT.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Sounds like the T Mobile update is LTE related.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
Dunno but I do know I got a software update this morning that would not install after it restarted in CWM. Ill take a screen shot next time it clear up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kidpaddle45:
I'd like to see that screenshot xD
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rogsoccerman:
Here are some tweets from design gears yesterday. He is the one who brought us all the ICS leaks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JamieD81:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4531

its just 4.0.4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
he always posts so long before rootzwiki actually updates lol

To build suspense I suppose
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] cityhunterxyz:
They are both i717 the only difference other than branding and bloatware is NFC is disabled in software on the AT&T model arguing that they are not the same is semantics.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
^He was just trying to be childish about it...

on other news, I asked designgears if the i717 was one of the leaks and he replied no
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
Thank you for clarifying that Jamie. Back to the wait. Is there ANY way to get WiFi Calling baked into CM10? if That could happen them I would be all over that rather than running Stock T-Mo.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rogsoccerman:
It looks like he wasn't telling you if it was for i717 or not. And he put a smile so it still might be for us.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
It popped up again. Here's the screenshot lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] taz44410:
Got my n7100 yesterday i717 will sit in my drawer until it gets jb if it ever happens until then im thankfull i no longer have to listen to the petty fighting on here
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Adonisd:
I have that very same update popping up on my i717 with tmobile rom as well. I can't find information on that push anywhere.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mahgninnuc93:
This is what Jamie said earlier. I was just posting the screenie to satisfy those folks who said they would like to see it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] redneck_666:
For those that complain about updates, just remember that either OEMs are wore than Samsung.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deron37129:
Yea it just 4.0.4 from the looks of it t-mobile ia on 4.0.3
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
I see, everything you want has to be Free, the option to purchase what you want is never a consideration. The I717 came with Ginger Bread and was update once for Free to Ice Cream Sandwich. As I said in one of my earlier posts, if available I would just purchase Jelly Bean, like I did when I went from Windows XP to Windows 7? Assuming since you expect all your upgrades for Free, you are still on DOS 3.0, correct?

Plus there are options, I did not just pull money out of the air when I did my bartering to get a Note II. Couple of less restaurant lunches, a few less 6 packs of beer, not buying the impulse purchases and some trading of cell phones. Next thing you know you have a Note 2 in your hand for less than $200 (including my initial upgrade fee for the Note 1 and the less than $200 I paid during my bartering, I got a brand new Note 2 for less than $400 total. About half price of buying one new off ebay, amazon, etc. Was able to register it on Samsung web page as well, just ensure the folks you are dealing with are on the up and up.)

Am with most of the other adults here, complaining and threating to go with another vendor are empty threats. Who are going to go with BlackBerry, iPhone or a Windows based device? Nope, and Samsung knows that, but again, still don't understand the complaining, we went from GB to ICS as promised, what else do you want? (Yes I am still a "we" since I was a Note 1 owner and got tried of waiting on JB)

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Dude, respect your rating and everything, but what makes you think ATT and Samsung have to update their products once they have meet all their obligations as stated in the contract between you and them (or vendor ATT, T-Mobile, etc.)? Outside of security updates they don't owe the consumer squat, other than what was promised in that contract. Am almost positive free upgrades are not promised items in the contract.

So, have to ask what is the point of your post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 21productionz:
I understand what you are trying to say, but you're comparing a paid for desktop OS to an open source mobile OS. This OS IS free.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Clark Joseph Kent:
Members please keep it to "All JB related" posts/topics, or this thread will be closed and those not adhering will be dealt with...

Thank You
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
not to mention comparing incremental updates to an entire OS change lol...

Microsoft don't release xp/7/etc.. then stop updating it completely.

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Economics dictate that it is 5 times as hard to gain a new customer then it is to retain an existing one.

Placating customers is important, hence why apple and windows phone have been taking the upgrade stance they have been. Sooner or later this WILL hurt android if no change is made, I guarantee it..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] vanemburghj:
Ok that does make sense however, would pay a nomial fee for JB software for the time and effort the company put in to developing it. Their employees are not free and I would not expect a free market company with share holders, overhead to run the company, etc to continue to provide upgrades from now to the end of time for free. They have to draw the line somewhere and for the Note it was at ICS.

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However, ms did stop supporting all of their os's except for the most current version. With that logic ICS will be updated till a certain date and after that they will solely focus on JB and next version and so on. To get continous support, at some point, you must upgrade your OS and there are costs when you do that. I bought XP, when I wanted 7 I paid for it, when I wanted a different phone I paid for it, etc. Now do understand the Android OS is free but, there are costs incurred by the company for them to make the latest version work on a particluar device. That is what I am willing to pay for as I cannot force a company to eat those costs for as long as I own the device.

As for people leaving maybe for different producer of Android device but, I would never go to an Apple product because Sammy is not giving me free upgrades.

Ok guess we are done having non-Note/Jelly Bean discussions still hope it does work out for the Note and the community of users.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
Once again, I consider it more of an incremental update to an existing os then an entirely new os.

The leap from gb to ics was much larger than the leap from ics to jb imo.

I agree though, and am done with this conversation.

I will add in final though that I am surprised as many people feel this way about android and don't care about support at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] littlewierdo:
I wish people would stop making this claim. A LARGE part of Android is not only NOT open source but also costs money. Android without the market (which is closed source AND costs money to license for a device) is pretty useless and thats only one small example of the plethora of apps on Android that make the OS functional and usable. Install cyanigen WITHOUT Gapps and youll begin to see what im talking about.

Yes, technically, Android is free and open source but much of what makes Android a viable OS in todays market is NOT.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lastdeadmouse:
Do keep in mind that the play store is not part of the OS.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BiscuitBee:
On topic:

Rogers updated their os upgrade page due to the release of Sony Xperia T update. Looks like we are the scheduled next as there is nothing else on that list.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
Here is the link: http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/thread-id/355
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Clark Joseph Kent:
2nd Warning....I will ask, that Members NOT test me, you will lose.

Thread Cleaned, Thank You.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smokinmoses:
Please respect the mods and keep on subject here i like this thread and would hate to see it closed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] oka1:
From the moderator/OP

To all in this thread...... stay on topic........ post respectfully

.......do not post personal attacks or others off topic commentary

FOLLOW THE REQUEST OF THE MODERATORS.........

~~~ Thank you ......... ~~~ oka1
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jmelendez1:
Not for nothing bigjoe, thats one mean avatar :cool:

Ok, back to business...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] OPGT:
It seems we will be getting update soon. This is what it says for when we get update: Pending software submission from device manufacturer. Can't wait for multi Window ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] marcelomanzo:
I'm not so sure about that... Never saw this status before...

It seems that Samsung didn't released the firmware for them yet... so they can't commit on a date...

just ridiculous... Time to switch for a Nexus 4...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Donjuanal:
do you have a source for this information?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] marcelomanzo:
http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/thread-id/355
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] OPGT:
The Rogers community forum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
Good News?

Sounds more like bad news if the carrier still hasn't gotten JB update from Samsung yet how can they tweek (add bloat) the rom and test it that alone is a few months? Perhaps Samsung does not intend to support our hardware version very disappointing. Going Nexus from now on.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crixley:
Yep so much for mid march...

every time it gets close they just change it again. Before it was January, then feb, then mid march and now this
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Jellybean ROMs for the win.

ROM: Jamie's 4.2.2. Preview 7\Jellybam v6.4.0

Kernel: 4ges Feb.29th

Recovery: TWRP

:thumb up: Give Thanks! :thumb up:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] memo80:
Now it's april

http://www.pc-tablet.com/19420-sams...roid-jelly-bean-41-update-delayed-april-2013/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Then in April it will be may...

ROM: Jamie's 4.2.2. Preview 7\Jellybam v6.4.0

Kernel: 4ges Feb.29th

Recovery: TWRP

:thumb up: Give Thanks! :thumb up:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Adonisd:
Check this out

Saw this and thought I should post it.

http://www.sidhtech.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s2-jelly-bean-update-3/100291/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Agoattamer:
Old news. Many of the S2's have already been updated.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
It's worth mentioning again that the Skyrocket (I727 Galaxy S2 LTE) which is mostly the same as our I717 Note LTE has received the JB update.

But the date when we actually get the update is unknown of course =(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Adonisd:
Did you read the bit about the galaxy note receiving another update to 4.2 as well?