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[Nexus 7 General] dellenrules:
GOOGLE has already stated that the tablet supports OTG via twitter. There is a link in a previous post in this thread.

As for TV-Out, I believe that it uses a different micro USB Pin configuration similar to the Galaxy S3 which would explain why the adapter for the S2 and Galaxy nexus didn't works. I explained that a few post back.

What would really help is if someone could post results for the S3 MHL cable when paired with the Nexus 7.

ASUS claims to have a lot of accessories for the Nexus 7 as well. Chances are that one of them might just be a MHL cable with the pin configuration needed for video out.
[Nexus 7 General] clubtech:
Tried the GS3 MHL adapter. It won't even go in.

Tried the GS2 MHL adapter and nothing happens on the TV.
[Nexus 7 General] lanwarrior:
Go to Engadget for the Nexus 7 review. They CONFIRMED there is NO HDMI out.

This made me decided NOT to buy the Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
ICS will open MHL and full USB OTG on the Nexus 7?

From the verge article:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/3127278/nexus-7-mhl-usb-otg

This is beginning to make a perverse kind of sense. Of course the Nexus 7 has MHL circuitry built in. Not including MHL would have been crippling -- taking out one of the top 4 or 5 uses of a 7-inch tablet. Ditto for USB host functionality of USB thumb drives. The hardware is ready.

But Jelly Bean isn't?

Google can't be trying to force us to use Q and the cloud exclusively instead of MHL and local storage for media. Paying $300 for an external Nexus Q to because of the lack a few dollar circuitry addition to the Nexus 7 is absurd. If the Nexus 7 had MHL, you could just use a Nexus 7 as a Nexus Q in most situations. And this can be done with the Iconia A110, I think. HDMI out, a separate micro-USB port for power, and up to 32GB on a removable micro-SD card? For anything multimedia related, the lack of MHL on the Nexus 7 is going to be severely crippling.

Ditto for using the cloud on a device that doesn't even come with cellular capability. I have a phone with WiFi tethering, so I could have always-on access, but I wouldn't want whole huge multimedia files being billed against my 7GB monthly data package. The Nexus HTPC ducks just aren't in a row. They have no coherent and realistic vision of how the Nexus 7 will be used. Even a company as flat-footed as google has been at times couldn't be seriously expecting this fubar plan to work.

I'm guessing they just have not been able to to get MHL or USB mass storage working in Jelly Bean yet, and they don't know what to say.

Can anyone install ICS on a Nexus 7 to test this?

UPDATE: I am going to wait 3-6 weeks for this to develop. I was ready to pre-order 1-3 Nexus 7s. But now I wonder.

Maybe within the next 6 weeks the android 4.1.1 update will come out with full MHL and USB-OTG supported. Then I could order.

Or maybe the near-inconceivable has happened here and MHL circuitry is absent . . . And during this time the iconia A110 may also hit the shelves. If it is is well-built, and if acer keeps the OS to a basic, then it may be fairly predictable early on the likelihood of Jelly Bean and most future updates being available for the A110.

If the A110 is positioned to be an unofficial Nexus tablet due to ROM simplicity and openness, but one with local memory, full OTG, and hdmi out, and giving allowances for slower ROM development, the A110 just looks better than the Nexus 7 as it is currently known.

In the next 6 weeks, which of the above two scenarios plays out may become clear.

(also being discussed here: MHL/OTG on Jelly Bean http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1742349 )
[Nexus 7 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
In the thread you referenced, they are using MHL just fine with JB on their GNs. So it's not a software issue at all.

The Dev boxes needed an additional physical port for HDMI out.

I think Q had something to do with it and possibly just keeping costs down to compete with Kindle Fire.
[Nexus 7 General] CreepyDroid:
No mhl support and no usb OTG : http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/29/3127278/nexus-7-mhl-usb-otg
[Nexus 7 General] Gorjess:
Meh, stop whining about N7 not having mhl and USB OTG.. your theories might be logical but it's still no surprise for a $200 tablet..

Both of it was not the main features.. read, Not The Main Features.. i had both MHL and USB OTG modules for my S2 and i rarely use it now.. you might get excited on the first day but it will get boring pretty soon.. True story..
[Nexus 7 General] pack21:
I agree about MHL concerne, but for Nexus7 8GB....OTG USB is a priority thing.
[Nexus 7 General] phil-t:
I wonder what the next 'deal breaker' will be, that it doesn't have a 10 inch screen, or that it doesn't have a 40 MP rear camera.

It's primarily a tablet, when cutting costs, they probably decided to not pander to the hill billy crowd who really wanted a $50 media streamer.. There are a million cheap Chinese tablets for them, I'd rather they didn't the money on the nexus 7 making it the best tablet experience for the money...
[Nexus 7 General] iJimaniac:
Yes guys, please just stop going on about this little inconvenience! Last time I checked, mhl was a cool feature that wasn't android standard, but now you guys are going on as if Google was required to put it in, like they have some sorta obligation to you! The nexus is still the best piece of tablet hardware out there for the price, but apparently you guys think that is not enough. Why don't you go complain about the ipad not having nfc or something; people like you are never satisfied. Do I need to remind you that this tablet is being sold AT A LOSS by google? With that in mind, maybe you should be grateful they put a front camera on, since I could understand that being left out for cost saving. Heck, they could have given you a crappy dual core tablet for that price (amazon proved people would buy it), but they didn't! They gave you the very best tablet they could without charging you more!

Please stop complaining, or the mods will probably shut this thread down.

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[Nexus 7 General] shonangreg:
I don't want to engage in a few-person back-and-fourth argument on this, iJimaniac. MHL and OTG were expected, and google has not explained clearly their status regarding the Nexus 7. The energy that animates my worries (and complaints) are about features important enough to warrant clear answers, but we are not getting those.

If you don't like this kind of complaining, then consider keeping your complaints to yourself too. I'm trying to get answers; you're accomplishing nothing.

Phil-T, you may be right about the cheap Chinese tablets. I just ordered one a half-hour ago before reading your comment, coincidentally. It will mostly stay near the TV, though. A Nexus 7 would have travelled with me.
[Nexus 7 General] dodgypast:
With MHL you can retire the device as a media player / emulation box.

Without the long term value plummets for me.

- 1 sale for the moment.

Can see why others don't care, but they've definitely shot themselves in the foot given the target demographic.
[Nexus 7 General] MrTissues:
I was planning on loading it up with a few emulators and playing games with my six axis controller on the TV. I'm pretty disappointed by it not having TV out. Not sure if I am going to buy or wait for a similar third party device with TV out.
[Nexus 7 General] gbroon:
To be honest google/asus probably had to prioritise things to hit the price point they were looking for. I doubt that the hardware costs would have been increased much by adding MHL but there may also be licensing costs to use it that could have put the price up. HDMI would probably also have licensing fees.

I think one of the reasons they got a low price is by cutting out a lot of technologies they would need to pay to implement.

The reason its in the nexus phone is probably because Samsung are part of the MHL consortium. They probably included it in the nexus devices to promote it in the hope of it becoming a standard feature that other companies would want to licence.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
I had NO problem paying $249 for the Asus ME370T. I patiently waited to do so. Now Google has come along in hopes of promoting its Google Play Store, partnered with Asus, and removed much anticipated features from this DREAM TABLET. Now I am paying $249 for a stripped down version of this tablet so they can try to profit by pushing people to use their store. I love Google, but this has brought them down a notch in my book.

If you defend Google against this, you might as well defend Apple & Amazon as well.

Asus was going to include ALL of these features for $249! They were NOT left out to get the price cheaper. I will now pay $249 for the 16 GB version but missing from my ASUS tablet will be:

MicroSD slot

HDMI out

5 megapixel rear camera (could care less but still...)

Thanks Google, I wouldn't have even needed to root this to be happy, but now if things aren't hacked/discovered before my return window expires, I may even return this potentially wonderful device and look elsewhere. I know you won't care cause you have nothing invested selling these tablets as ASUS is the one who will suffer from your request to strip down their little gem. They made a deal to get NEXUS branding, and will probably benefit from it, but I think this tablet would've made just as big a splash without NEXUS stamped on it if they'd left in all the features they announced back at CES.

Forward to 05:15 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kylvzehJiI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.theverge.com/products/eee-pad-memo-me370t/4728

ASUS ME370T SPECS

Height	7.8 inches

Width	4.6 inches

Thickness	0.5 inches

Weight	0.89 pounds

Color	Black / Silver

Speakers	Stereo

DISPLAY

Screen size (diagonal)	7 inches

Technology	IPS LCD

Resolution (X)	800 px

Resolution (Y)	1280 px

Touchscreen type	Capacitive

Multitouch	Yes

SOFTWARE

Operating system	Android

Launch OS version	4.01

Notable apps	MyPainter, MyNet, MyCloud

PROCESSOR

CPU brand	Nvidia

CPU family	Tegra 3

Cores	4

GPU

Brand	Nvidia

Model	ULP GeForce

MEMORY

RAM size	1 GB

STORAGE

Internal size	16 GB, 32 GB

External storage	Yes

External storage support	microSD

CONNECTIVITY

Wi-Fi	Yes

Wi-Fi support	802.11n, 802.11g, 802.11b

GPS	Yes

Bluetooth	Yes

Bluetooth version	2.1 + EDR

FRONT CAMERA

Effective pixels	1.2 megapixels

REAR CAMERA

Effective pixels	5 megapixels

Focus type	Autofocus

Video resolution	1080p

PORTS

Video out	Yes

Headphone	3.5mm

Data connections	Micro USB

SENSORS

Sensors	Proximity, Ambient Light, Gyroscope, Compass / Magnetometer, Accelerometer

BATTERY

Capacity	4400 mAh

Quoted use time	8.5 hr
[Nexus 7 General] Jordanooo:
Wow, if only it had all that... :(
[Nexus 7 General] ap3604:
I'm looking at my order right now on Google Wallet deciding if I should cancel my pre-order.

I was looking to have an all in one device but that might not possible without MHL/HDMI for netflix and emulators.

Now I have to figure out if I want another additional piece of technology cluttering the house since I know the Nexus 7 won't replace my netbook and be my all in one device like I had hoped.
[Nexus 7 General] :
You have to put it in perspective. Think about what you're getting on the N7 that wouldn't be on the ME370T. You have Jelly Bean, direct updates from Google with future Android releases. And, in my opinion, a much nicer design and look.
[Nexus 7 General] lanwarrior:
That's a pretty steep price to pay just to get Jelly Bean. I rather have the extra hardware features if Asus sells the device themselves, because I am sure some smart developer will come up with some JB ports.

With the N7, you CANNOT CHANGE THE HARDWARE and it still cost the same.
[Nexus 7 General] DaveDesire:
Don't forget NFC :highfive:
[Nexus 7 General] badbeat33:
It may not matter to a lot of people and I understand that. However, the decision to leave out MHL connectivity means I will not be an owner of the Nexus 7. I'm sure this loss of sale will be negated by the extra sales of keeping the tablet under $200. I am disappointed because I really did want this tablet to replace my iPad
[Nexus 7 General] DaveDesire:
I do agree to a certain extent. Part of Androids appeal was that it was free from restrictions. Now, for the first time, you could describe an Android device as 'limited'.

Personally though, a TV-out isn't a feature I use and so I have one on pre-order. The positives far outweigh the negatives
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Can anyone explain this image from the Nexus 7 announcement. How are they mirroring the display? I've read that the GSIII is using a new pinout in a newly released MHL adapter, could ASUS also be using something similar?

Nexus 7 MHL?

Video

Forward to 10:29 for MHL proof.

They might say that MHL doesn't work to get people to purchase Nexus Q when all along it just doesn't work with older versions of MHL. However it might work with this new pinout that Samsung is using.

Hmmm... Anyone?
[Nexus 7 General] pack21:
indeed i dont see any HDMI cord, just microUSB and 3.5 jack cords.

and there is no Wifi icon on for streaming.

Strange......

how did they transfer video signal

??
[Nexus 7 General] ap3604:
The ones that google used had an HDMI port on the bottom left side. You see it in the video around the 10:40 mark.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
It is somewhat questionable demonstrating one device, but delivering something inferior. There is a name for that...

Does not matter to me, but I am a little surprised at Google.
[Nexus 7 General] pack21:
No i see, a cord on center and right.....microUSB and 3.5 jack.

If was the Nexus 7 with HDMI port, would be on left....on video isn't anything there.

10:30\40...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJGiEQgaZYs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

what i see on 10:40 is this....

[/QUOTE]
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
In the video I linked to there clearly isn't anything plugged in to the lower left of the Nexus 7. I have watched it repeatedly and have seen absolutely no indication of an HDMI cable, only a center micro USB and a 3.5mm headphone style cable. Clearly ASUS has a way of mirroring video between the use of these two cables. We just have to investigate & find out how.
[Nexus 7 General] pack21:
If Google said Nx7 didn't supports MHL & OTG.....and now we have proofs there is OTG on N7 and works....maybe MHL is there too, hidden ...looool

Devs, go get it!
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Engadget post about new style MHL adapter.

An similar article on the Verge.

Might Asus be using some new tech such as this to fool us into thinking we NEED a Nexus Q. So we spend $300 on their new technology that we didn't really need, in order to get video out to our TV's/monitors?

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Improved MHL standard charges mobile devices faster
[Nexus 7 General] Locklear308:
I would love to see this function added via rooting/hacking. It would become the ultimate 7 inch tablet. :D
[Nexus 7 General] ap3604:
I saw the first photo (with the HDMI port) above in another thread once before but couldn't find it again before I replied so I assumed that what it was in the video :o

My apologies, yeah I'm not sure how they got video out then with just the USB and audio jack cables hooked up :eek:

WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT!!!
[Nexus 7 General] sahaskatta:
I was at Google I/O and had a chance to chat with Hugo Barra at a press reception event. He said that they did not include HDMI over MHL since they saw this device as a portable one meant for being on the go. He said the number of people who plug it in would be extremely low percentage.

Also, I asked about how the demo units were able to support mirroring to displays and he said it was custom units made only for Google so they could demo the tablet easily on screens at I/O.
[Nexus 7 General] 3dawg:
Well, that's that. A huge disappointment personally, I've cancelled my 2 orders. This, along with no expandable memory has sealed the deal.

Such a shame really, micro sd port would have cost approx. 50p and mhl compatibility (or even a hdmi port) a couple of pounds at most. I would have paid another 20 for the features.
[Nexus 7 General] pack21:
If they make custom units to use in I|O and like we saw, they are using the same microUSB port for that, I assume that a custom mod will be relatively easy to do, welding 1-2 wires or changing the microUSB port for another with more pins

This if will be easy to open NX7, lets wait ifixs vids and opinions.

btw, if we dont see wifi icon signal, maybe they are using too, USb tethering data via microUSB port.

Note: HDMI is not important for me, i have a media center, just desire OTG.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Well USB-OTG works! Proven to work on unit from Google I/O.

Just need root & stickmount app. See here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28114537&postcount=94

Of course they will maintain that MHL functionality isn't there even if it is. It is in there best interest for people to think there isn't any other way to get video out besides the Nexus Q. If it comes out that MHL is present and usable on the Nexus. 7, their Nexus Q product will be flushed down the tubes as it NEEDS the Nexus 7 to function because it won't work as a standalone unit. I wouldn't take anyones word on this, I will be trying everything possible to figure out how to make it work because I can't believe they'd leave out such functionality completely. They may have made it hard to figure out how it works, but I believe it's in there.
[Nexus 7 General] bleclair:
Hope you're right!

That Nexus Q is just a huge misstep anyway. $300? I don't care if it's lovingly made by Unicorns, that is just too much for the functionality provided. :laugh:
[Nexus 7 General] Psipherious:
But but... the Q has a speaker and fancy colored LED lights in it.
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
You mean Google's "Death Star"?

:D
[Nexus 7 General] zomdroidz:
I was really looking forward to some type of Display mirroring...

I was really looking forward to some type of display mirroring...be it an HDMI/MHL jack, pricey dock(would pay up to $60 for one,) or even a wireless display module. I am still keeping my pre-order and really am jazzed about the Nexus 7, especially due to it being a Nexus device! Maybe I am not getting it, but it seems that many people think Google wanting to sell more Nexus Qs, is the main reason behind the lack of an HDMI port. Realistically, the Nexus Q is its own Android Device, and only syncs content from the cloud. From what I have read, you cannot stream your personal pics, or do any sort of DLNA-type of things with it. It(the Nexus 7) is a sort of over-glorified remote in relation to the Nexus Q. I would have loved to have this thing docked and connected to my receiver, and use that handy "Tablet remote app" and play some good old NES ROMs using my old captivate as the controller. Or just stream movies or shows purchased from the Google Play Store!, or even Netflix. I just dont see why they wouldn't offer it on the step-up 16GB model for an extra $10. It seems it is such a waste of potential for that Tegra3 goodness! What do you guys think ? :confused:
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
My sentiments exactly! If they kept the microSD & HDMI ports, I'd have paid up to $50 more than I am now and been extremely happy to do it. I'd have been praising the device nonstop and telling everyone to buy one. But instead I am going to pay $286.33 for a device that I believe got features pulled out for Google's ulterior motives. Now when someone asks if they should buy one, my standard response will start with "It depends what you want to do with it..."
[Nexus 7 General] dellenrules:
I thought I would note this quote in another thread.

The Galaxy Nexus isn't advertised as MHL, but we all know it has it. This would shed light on the errors people were getting on their Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Wikipedia, as usual, has a good writeup on MHL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link

Asus is not one of the companies with MHL devices listed,

but MHL can use micro USB ports - so who knows...
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Samsung has made an adapter available so new Galaxy S III owners can use existing MHL adapters with the new standard they are incorporating in this latest device. Apparently it converts 5-pin Micro USB of the older style MHL adapters to 11-pin Micro USB for use in the GSIII's Micro USB port.

Check it out here.

Maybe, just maybe something like this is needed for our new Nexus 7. One could only hope it'd be that easy.

Reason for Samsung's adapter:

Samsung Galaxy S® III uses an 11-pin micro USB input, which allows it to support MHL output and USB on-the-go input simultaneously – an improvement over 5-pin capability. This means that customers can take advantage of new functions for accessories that are not supported by a 5-pin micro USB connector, allowing a deeper convergence between the Galaxy S III smartphone and a HDTV.

To ease this transition and to allow for greater innovation with Samsung accessories, Samsung Mobile will offer a 5-pin to 11-pin MHL Cable Adapter that will allow the original Samsung HDTV Smart Adapter to function properly with U.S. models of the Galaxy S III, as well as future Samsung premium smartphones. In addition, Samsung is offering consumers the ability to purchase the new adapter separately, or to bundle it with the original HDTV Smart Adapter. Our goal in offering these MHL adapter solutions is to provide consumers with the newest accessory technology while ensuring the highest level of device compatibility.

The adapter is now available for $9.99 directly from Samsung and will also be offering a bundle with an old cable and an adapter, which should be perfect if you have an older Galaxy phone or tablet that use the 5-pin cable.

Found another style 12-pin MHL adapter for HTC tablets on eBay here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-AC-M500-12-PIN-MHL-HDMI-Adapter-For-Evo-View-4G-/120941873023?pt=US_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item1c28b2877f#ht_3920wt_902
[Nexus 7 General] xthaox:
Has anyone tried to open up the Nexus 7 yet ?

Since MHL needs both hardware and software supports, I guess we're looking for something like the Silicon Image 9244 MHL transmitter on the board, same thing that appears on the ifixit Galaxy Nexus teardown images.

And it's quite confusing, since according to this:

Then do they have 2 types of custom units? the one with the HDMI port on the left, and the one without it (used for demo on stage). Or could it be that they're the same custom unit, but on stage at I/O, they were just using a Micro USB to VGA adapter instead of directly using the HDMI port.

Plus The Verge's article is not clear to me: is Asus saying that it was Google's call not to support MHL on the Nexus 7 at the software level? (I know people have reported that Jelly Bean does support MHL on their GNex, is there such thing that Android MHL support differs for specific devices?), or was it Google's call not to include MHL chip on the device?

I hope we can find this out soon, even though I'm not intending to use this to stream movies on TV. I would really like to be able to mirror screen for presentation, as I rather carry the Nexus 7 to group meetings than my clunky laptop.

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Looks like that adapter doesn't work : (
[Nexus 7 General] drvsbsm:
Honestly If you really want to use a device for emulating get a modded original Xbox 1st generation, a Cheap $40 device that will emulate almost anything. Or better yet a modded 360. I still use my first gen Xbox with a 500gb HDD and it works with almost any emullator except ps2. The emus work just as well on my original Xbox as my 360/PS3 like I said I'm sure $40 is all Xbox1 cost anymore get wireless remote 40 gig HDD mod it and your set. I got the nexus 7 16gb it would.be nice to have the extra features but for the price, can't beat it. Who knows what will happen once the hacking starts. I got.mine mainly for surfing and handheld gaming it fits between my Prime and One X.