yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Rezound] metalmike6:
I haven't said boo about this whole thing despite throwing $50 bones into the pool. But if he legit sold the rezound and didn't fix ril.. idk that would really rub me the wrong way. I mean I understand devs have a life. Hence why I haven't said anything. But selling it and basically taking the money and running? Come on now. I even offered up $200 a while back to get a working port of cm7 on this phone. And yeh there's that whole we shouldn't expect an aosp rom on a sense phone thing which rest assured I will never buy a device again that doesn't either already have an aosp rom or come stock with one, but all the same people are willing to pay for these services. At least I am. If you can't deliver that's fine. Nobody is mad. I wouldnt get all huffy puffy because you have a life. I have one too and sometimes its hard to make time for things. But don't take advantage of peoples hopes for a better device experience... I understand the money is gone regardless. This post isn't about that. All I'm trying to say is practice what you preach. The devs want respect and donations for their work. And they should get it because they deserve it. And if your going to get respect and donations before your work. Then you should probably try to live up to them in at least some regard. Idk maybe I have a completely wrong perspective here because I'm not deving. So really I guess I shouldn't talk. And if everything is hunky dory and the ril IS fixed then I guess I just put myself on the devs **** list. Which would suck cause my intentions here are not to troll or offend. I'm not even sure what my intentions are.... I've been watching the drama unfold and its like a roller coaster. Just felt like it was time to at least say something.
[HTC Rezound] jazzyjames:
After one of the Rootzlive prodcasts he and a few others got into a G+ hang out and he said he got it working and he said his plan at the time was to get the Rezound to the point where he can get it good enough to hand to roman to toss into the build bot so he doesn't have to touch it again because he got sick of the Rezound users whining, then he proceded to go off on dmeadows about how he won't leave him alone.

Take it as you wish, believe me or not but that is one thing I have seen.
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
1) pretty much no overlay work done on the frameworks_base......i know just libs from device vendor will not fix rils since ur missing quite a couple binaries and libraries for ril....also VILLE does not have the same RIL as Rezound idk who told u that piece of BS..completely different phones completely different chips and radios....completely different types of 4G LTE V HSPA+

2) his last tweet doesnt seem like it
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
1.) You know those things are done ****faced right?

2.) 99.9% of cm and aokp roms are build bots.

3.) Sarcasm must be a foreign language to you...
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
and yet he remains loyal to protek if someone told me off infront of an audience of how annoying i was i would be extremely pissed......meadows had his eyes opened because of I/O to aprrently according to his last tweet even if it was sarcasm....doesnt matter dont tell me off infront of the whole internet lol
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Wanna elaborate on that? Lol
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
http://www.teambamf.net/

:)
[HTC Rezound] jazzyjames:
1. Rootzlive not Android Afterdark, so no he wasn't ****faced, he did take a few smoke breaks though.

I never said they were not done by bots, he was meaning he was going to finish it and then hand it over and not work on anymore fixes once its handed over.

3. This was not a hangout over the air hangout, it was a private one that R2Doesinc did that protekk, R2, and a few others were in about 7-8 or so and thats when he said that. So no dmeadows was not in it, so it was not said to his face.

So I ask stop reading into it more then what is said.
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
There goes $20 :) not much but it helps
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Bahaha that's all I have to say. Good night.
[HTC Rezound] Cares:
Drama mama
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Exactly. I'm done with this thread until it clears. Dont feel like dealing with it.
[HTC Rezound] nitsuj17:
i have no problem with anyone, but would like to point out he no longer supports the vivow (dropped that and a bunch of other devices) and it doesnt even have a maintainer anymore
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Yeah forgot about that one. Inc, Supersonic, and Vivow he all dropped because they were having issues with the latest builds and he didn't have the devices. I am the new inc maintainer. atyoung is the new supersonic maintainer. Vivow is still looking for a maintainer.
[HTC Rezound] times_infinity:
HP TouchPad, Protekk wouldn't have been able to port AOKP to without the work from dalingrin and co.

Vivow, wouldn't have really gotten anywhere without aeroevan.

Plain and simple.

Anyone can cherry-pick commits get an AOSP build going on a device that someone's done the hardwork for already.

It doesn't take a genius to be able to do that.
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
Dalingrin is the father of the Touchpad, PT has no claim to fame on it.
[HTC Rezound] luis86dr:
Since when did XDA turn into a soap opera?

HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] jmichaels1982:
I wonder

Ok so if protekk hates the rezound community so much for whatever reasons.

Can he give the donated phone to a team bamf member and be done with the community?

He has been done with us for a long time, all his tweets are just curses and there are willing members on teambamf.

So we can just raise money for one phone then have protekk give the donated phone and voila they all have rezounds.

I find it funny that the developers that hate us the most are the ones that did very lil progress if any at all.

Teambamf does have a phenomenal support record.
[HTC Rezound] Jmrwbilly:
Well this seems more and more like its not going to happen... Kinda brings back the age old of building off of GB source...or will this still not matter with RIL? correct me if I'm wrong but with past phones the radio changes with upgrages to HC to GB.. is this the case to ICS? And at this point we only really have GB to work off of...
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
I was really happy when Protekk came in to get it working. In the donate thread, a couple of people warned him about the complainers and everything to which he replied to the effect that he could handle it and looked forwrd to putting them in their place. Not exact words, but that was the sentiment. Turns out that all he did was go all raged up on twitter and some here. I mean, i get it, its really screwed up if impatient people were being retarded, but you could just ignore them and delete their pm's.

I read somewhere that he has already sold the rezound. Im still trying to figure out how i feel about that, if true. I guess if it turns out he did what he said he was going to, then cool. But if he really didnt do that work and just sold it, that is really messed up. Especially to the people that donated to get him that device. Shouldnt screw those guys just because other people are jerks and are bugging you. Not saying its true, just IF?

I like the idea of him sending the device to team bamf to people willing to work on it, but if he sold it, then it aint gonna happen.

At this point, im just going to keep being patient and see what happens. I hope others do the same.
[HTC Rezound] jmichaels1982:
My understanding

He sold one of his rezounds, he had two , one donated and am not sure where the other one came from.

I would gladly pay for shipping and handeling and insurance costs for him to send his rezound to a team bamf
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
The other was his work phone
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
He probably didnt sell his work phone, right?
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
It baffles me why people continue to lick Protekk's boots, much less defend him. He's very clearly a classless douche. He has some talent, obviously, but he's so childish and splenetic that he's just a joke. Just give up on AOSP on the Rezound and move on.
[HTC Rezound] jimbo.levy:
This.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
I dont see it that way, people are just anxious about AOSP and a lot of hope and faith were put in to him. We shouldnt give up on AOSP either, it would run fantastic on this device, especially if it meant JB and butter. Why give up?
[HTC Rezound] jmichaels1982:
its not about protekk

can we just move on form this whole protekk hate ordeal?

Ok the idea is to push forward in development, whether its AOSP or not, I think protekk had the phone long enough, nothing happened with it, lets move it along to another dev team and see what they have in store, aosp or not.

P.S. Trust I am too also very tired of being a part of a community thats is constantly being ridiculed and cursed out. But lets be bigger here and forget the past.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
haha i'm sure if our community didn't deal with emotionally unstable children, we wouldn't have that problem :p
[HTC Rezound] jaysckap:
Protekk is a joke, it sucks that so many people had faith in him.
[HTC Rezound] lreyes:
Unofficial cm9 nightlies
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
I'm sorry man I've just been going through some thing :'(
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
But maybe the era of AOSP on non-Nexus devices is over. The only LTE phone with AOSP is the Thunderbolt, and that's GB. No one has had any success with any other device and ICS (or JB now).

The Charge, Bionic, Revolution, Rhyme, Razr, Rezound, Razr Maxx, and Spectrum never received AOSP in any form. The Thunderbolt only GB. And I would bet they never will.

Maybe someone will fix it, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'd just get a Nexus and be done with it. I'm not going to be one of those Sense douchenozzles who say sanctimoniously "ZOMG what were you thinking buying a Rezound if you wanted AOSP??!!??" but maybe with the emergence of LTE, writing RILs is just too difficult, and simply won't happen.

I want AOSP just as much as the next guy, but at this point I'm past caring.
[HTC Rezound] jal3223:
Can someone create a thread devoted to donations for teambamf. I'd be happy to donate if I was sure it would go to getting a rezound. Its time to stop bashing, and just create a new strategy of obtaining an ril fix.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Wth is going on in here? Joel in here throwing jabs, dmeadows bobbing and weaving, Protekk on twitter gloating and running his mouth.

I've never been so entertained.

*popcorn gif*

And oh yeah I remember some members caping up for Protekk in the donation thread. Shame on you.

ReZound
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
not jabs friendly nudges :P
[HTC Rezound] evilstewie23:
Developmently, constructive nudges lol

Sent from my Rezound
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
I stand corrected then, friendly taps.

:p

ReZound
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
well protekk MUST have done something with the rezound at IO. he posted a pic of all the tech he had at IO and he had 2 rezound. no idea why he would carry around 2 rezounds to do no work at all....
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Yeah exactly what I was thinking don't count him out just yet
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
im not. but with that much dev power, they could have done something.
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
Too late for that. Its been awhile since I stopped having faith in him

---------- Post added at 05:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:39 PM ----------

That's true
[HTC Rezound] Po1soNNN:
Somethings definitely up.
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
i doubt he took it to i/o and if he did probably just for "work" i doubt he took all of those other devices to i/o too...i think its more of like "hey look at all of the devices i have and u dont" pic
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
You can't talk, you have galaxy nexus now
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
That's how much faith I lost in him
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
This thread needs to be closed...
[HTC Rezound] Po1soNNN:
I swear I've reported it at least three times.
[HTC Rezound] wildstang83:
Love nuzzles
[HTC Rezound] jaysckap:
And people need to realize protekk got his free rezound from people that had faith in him and basically said f*** you to those people and the community as a whole. I stay quiet on here I've been around along time and all that dude does is talk ****. I don't understand how anybody thinks he is a Dev, he hasint done anything for any device worth mentioning why would he be able to fix RIL. Also godforbid you ask him a question or report a bug about something he built from someone else's source, know one derserves to be treated the way he treats people. sorry for the rant and I'm sure I'm gonna piss some people off but I've been waiting for the rite time to express my feelings
[HTC Rezound] luis86dr:
Actually it should be left open and renamed to "The official ***** about AOSP thread". That way the Rezound forums aren't so cluttered with this bs.

HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
what u really mean is "the truth needs to be hidden"
[HTC Rezound] jimbo.levy:
This.

(Unnecessary bump)
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
well it was already bumped..so i just bumped it again..and then u kinda bumped it again
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Then I bumped about you say that he was bumping but it wad already bumped
[HTC Rezound] luis86dr:
That's a lot of bumpin'. I feel a that's what she said coming......

HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] tynan:
Hey Joel, you working on an RIL/AOSP at all... or any updates to your current roms planned in the near-future?
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
with all the trolling going on in my thread ive concidered just not updating at all..but yes there will be an update
[HTC Rezound] luis86dr:
I can't blame you for that one boss. I'm surprised of how much tolerance you have as a developer. Major respect from me bro.

HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Friendship and caring all the way.
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
Agreed 100% protekk is as someone once called him, a classless douche. Really not trying to be a troll but he really ****ed over the whole rezound community with his crap
[HTC Rezound] tynan:
Didn't mean it to troll, just wanted to know if a real dev was going to take a swing at it.
[HTC Rezound] renzo.olivares:
didnt say u trolled?
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
YZ slacking.

ReZound
[HTC Rezound] jazzyjames:
It depends on what you define as a real dev........

I say we pile enough money together to send dmeadows to his house and he hold him hostage until we get working build of AOKP with RIL.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
How about Android 5.0

That might take A LOT of money.

Sent from my Clean ROM DE 1.4 Rezound
[HTC Rezound] johnwaynegacy:
How does protekk even know ril is fixed if it doesn't boot? If it does boot, and have data, but is unstable, why has nobody ever seen it?
[HTC Rezound] luis86dr:
Because it doesn't exist. If it did we would have seen it by now, the announcement of a ril fix was ages ago. When will people stop believing its fixed and move on? If it was fixed, I'm sure this much secrecy wouldn't go on. Getting the RIL to work wouldn't just benefit us, but possibly many other devices out there. LTE and AOSP don't mix, so if a developer did figure it out I'm sure he would have worked his ass off to be one of the few who made it happen. Just my opinion, take it for what it is..

HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
thanks for explaining it for everyone. You are someone the community respects. Sorry dmeadows, but you followed the wrong guy. I'm not even sure why you have rec. dev status. Nothing for the resound has worked. Not trying to be an azz, just saying.

With tweaks and basic customizations that everyone wants. He was the first to get a real desensed rom working, where everything actually worked. That is more than just deleting some apks.

Prove to us that its not fake. The onus is on you, young one. You are the one that wanted Protekk, cheerleading for the donations and then promising aosp, defending him when he's cussing out the community. People have told you, he's even bashed you, and yet you still defend him.

as joel has pointed out, he cuts and runs and leaves a lot of unfinished development. I seriously doubt he's been the main contributor on any aosp ROM.

sad...

truth hurts sometimes. Since you think you have some pull with Protekk, why not ask him to donate the resound back to the community to give to a dev that will actually work on it.

this

all the forums have been like this on xda, since android came out, and also on the wp7 threads as well. Too many immature people these days on here.

why? Its a valid discussion.
[HTC Rezound] YZ:
Another question that at the end turn into something so different...I had warned you before about this RIL discussions.

Thread closed.
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
It really doesn't have much to do with the kernel, although everyone seems to believe it does. ICS kernel source isn't going to make much difference and a 3.0 kernel isn't required for ICS. I did a 3.0 kernel and the source has been on my git for a month. It's unstable but anyone could have pulled the source and done as they pleased with it.

Someone claimed to have working ril but considering they haven't posted anything the claims are unfounded. As a result I stopped working on the kernel to get it stable or make changes for aosp since I'm not going to switch back and forth to a rom without any radio function every time I want to work just for a kernel that isn't going to suddenly make aosp work.

It's a shame either individuals don't want to collaborate or aren't being truthful as it only hurts the community. Especially since you gain nothing by withholding information.
[HTC Rezound] luis86dr:
According to protekk, he has ril working but after reading this post I'm starting to think otherwise. Thanks for clearing things up.

Sent from my Htc Rezound

Follow me on twitter @lmrtech
[HTC Rezound] pwned3:
I've already accepted that he probably didn't figure out ril and have begun to like sense again anyway. Pm'd you. Wanting to learn kernel development and was hoping you could point me toward some good reads.
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
Yea I'm rather disappointed, and the fact that he blows up on us for wanting aosp after saying he would actually develop for us

I said one that if he gave a refund that I would give it back, I wouldn't at this point because I was lied to
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Guys, please don't start more stuff. Its not like he said that he didn't. As for the pmem stuff, its on dmeadows goo.im
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
@everyone:

Let's not turn this into a bashing thread or make any accusations, as that doesn't help the cause either.

I just wanted to clarify some things about the kernel.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Delete
[HTC Rezound] jimbo.levy:
Pics or BS :D
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Really we are just waiting for a PMEM fix. I don't know how to fix it. I messed with it some and got it to boot, but the pmem is still unstable.
[HTC Rezound] pwned3:
data was working?
[HTC Rezound] Bensky91:
Do you have the latest kernel source up on goo.im? I see you have a May build but I'm not sure if that's current. If it's not current, would you mind posting it per the PM I sent you? Would really like to try my hand at this and I'm sure others would as well
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
With data? Like I said, if someone had a working build with data and has been withholding it from other devs (even if its unstable as hell), that's just as bad as not being truthful. Both only hurt the community.

Almost everything else would likely be relatively easy fixes. Especially considering multiple 8x60 devices have AOSP builds and the hardware between 8x60 devices (other than the radio) are 90% the same. You might have a camera here and there that you can't get working etc, but in general if it works on one you can get it booting and the majority of the hardware working on the others. If someone pushed up some source with a working RIL, we'd have an almost completely functioning build by now... I would have finished all the kernel stuff myself.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
he said there are pmem issues. Isn't that enough to fix it? And maybe the ril fix broke the pmem. That's why it isn't as easy as other devices, because the radios ARE different which you even said. Look, I'm not trying to start a fight, just I don't see why he should release it if it isn't stable?
[HTC Rezound] bluetooth_decay:
Never tried slimrom, but CleanRom DE kept prompting me to set the clock (even though it was right), and when I clicked on that notification, some HTC Sense applet that tried to run force closed. Same with a couple of other settings in it that ran (apparently missing) HTC Sense applets, or applets that relied on missing Sense components. Not showstoppers by any means, but not completely functional after being de-Sensed. Maybe it was just my install/phone, but Nils' Biz Sense hasn't given me any problems whatsoever.
[HTC Rezound] pwned3:
To give others the chance to play with it? Maybe even help in his efforts to fix it?
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
Because there are other people who can fix pmem issue, or are at least willing to try, but have no motivation to do so if the phone functionality of the phone doesn't work. Also the pmem errors are extremely common and I've seen them even in the factory build. Many people, myself included, require a functioning phone at all times because of work etc, I can dev on a phone that doesn't have camera, wifi, gsensor, compass, flashlight, 3d accel etc. I can't dev on a phone that can't receive calls.

An unstable build with working RIL does nothing for the end users, it does everything for devs who can work on everything else.

Like I said, I already made a 90% working ICS kernel and the source has been on my github for a month:

https://github.com/Chad0989/vigor-ics-kernel

Its unstable, but I had no qualms about posting it to help others who want to work on it.
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
The RIL is in the AOKP source. Not in the device tree. It was fixed in the HTC Ville. If you want, I can send you a build, but ProTekk doesn't want the build released to public until it is working and stable.
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
Link me to a source tree I can build from (without having to figure out what I need to pull from the ville tree) that has a working RIL and I'll gladly work on fixing the kernel issues. Collaboration is key.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
So why call him out in a forum? Why not go to pm s or maybe twitter? It just starts flame wars and fights like this one. In all honesty I'm not out to start one, I just want answers...
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
I wouldn't say this is a fight, and i kinda like knowing whats going on lol ;)
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
I'm not calling out nor arguing with anyone. I'm mostly commenting on the state of the rezound community (and in reality the android community as a whole as of late)

I simply stated that the real problem seems to be the RIL and that there's a real good chance the kernel end of things could have been fixed long ago; provided that everyone were willing to collaborate, not withhold information, and made it readily accessible for the individuals who can and are willing to help.

When I first got into android everything was about collaboration and problems were solved quickly. Now everyone is only concerned about getting praise from kids on the internet by being the first one to release something. They withhold any work they do from everyone else in hopes that they will be the first to finish. In the end it only hinders progress. It's not like there is some huge monetary incentive to be the first to release so it really makes no sense.

This isn't even rezound specific. It's all over everywhere as of late and is starting to be common practice.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Yeah its not that bad... Not like the Great Scott incident of '12...
[HTC Rezound] Gorilla*:
well im glad my thread has kicked people into action... I just ordered my rezound for 80.00 so I can keep the unlimited data..

until then i guess ill be using the RUU for ICS
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
That was ridiculous there was so much flaming and hate going around
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Lol sorry your thread got jacked. Welcome. To our thread! We aren't ALWAYS like this... Just aosp is a touchy word here. We do have some good roms tho so you would be disappointed:)
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
And memeing..... I remember it like it was yesterday..