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[HTC One X] demajoor:
but it maybe could help with the getting s-off for the rest of us

i think you must contact xda member xmoo with youre info maybe you can help in getting s-off for all of us
[HTC One X] DakiX:
Yes I have found in the noon break if I have more time;)
[HTC One X] xmoo:
This video is from a chineese guy which s-off's ur phone in his store located in china....
[HTC One X] brizzol:
hmm

I thought that was the sticker/screenprotector that comes on a new htc one x, did with my two anyways...Just showing it's a new phone I guess? Or maybe it isn't a sticker but sure looks like it
[HTC One X] JohnCorleone:
Guys please don't kill me for this question but what is the main difference between s on and s off? Is it the fact that you have to fastboot the kernel? Also, does Flash Image GUI app work with One X? I just got mine yesterday. On my other phones that Flash Image GUI works on, it takes maybe 10 seconds to flash a recovery or kernel img

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[HTC One X] sumeshd:
When s-off u have to fastboot flash the kernel(any kernel) and recovery..

That's the difference in s-on and s-off..

Also remember to fastboot erase cache after flashing anything from fastboot otherwise u won't be able to get into recovery..
[HTC One X] feis:
Main difference probably that you cant flash kernel from recovery, only fastboot. No need to use any app, it takes like 10seconds to type 1line in cmd
[HTC One X] JohnCorleone:
Yeah and that app I mentioned works on about 6 HTCs but not this one. Good point. Doesn't hurt to learn fastboot

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[HTC One X] TG64:
Any news for S OFF.
[HTC One X] Goku80:
no news mate..probs will never happen for the one x...if it would it would of been done by now...but we still hoping well i am at least
[HTC One X] lawrence750:
one day (maybe when its not the flagship anymore, and it means less to htc) somebody will leak the files etc to s-off it. its gotta happen some day hopefully
[HTC One X] skr_xd:
HTC eventually will do this or leak some method to soff after most of its devices are out of warranty period, I hope...

But, by that time most of those who need soff now would have switched/upgraded
[HTC One X] dan281082:
so am i right in saying there are people who have s-offd there one x here on xda??
[HTC One X] rohitbalan:
Well, yes, some lucky chaps!!

ViperX Goodness
[HTC One X] dan281082:
why hasnt this info been shared on xda? thought that was the whole point of xda
[HTC One X] feis:
Not again...
[HTC One X] dan281082:
sore subject is it!
[HTC One X] bogfather:
If the files/tools get shared there's a chance people could get in trouble/lose thier jobs so it isn't worth it
[HTC One X] dan281082:
i see but isnt a small leak how things get done anyway!>?
[HTC One X] BenPope:
Well it also requires hardware, so hardly applicable to most people.
[HTC One X] xbiggyl:
I'm happy with where we're at with the HOX (we, as in xda community).

I'm not sure what would the s-off add as "advantages" besides maybe the ability of having custom splash screens (correct me if I'm wrong).

But getting s-off would be "psychologically" significant, especially for the xda Gurus who would love to have 100% access on our devices, which is what I love about this community!

Just my 2 cents worth :)
[HTC One X] schidddy:
think some of u dont really understand the use of s-off..

s-off will give u the ability to update all those firmware drivers which we wont have when just apply a custom rom because the custom ROM has no rights to update those firmware like cpu und gpu drivers and base drivers for all those hardware things on the hox. Only RUU will do and its the only way but user who are in a branding will mostly wait like months to get the advantage of those new drivers which will save batery and make the hox faster.

example u come from original rom version 1.28 and apply a custom ROM ver. 2.12 or newer. All those important drivers and changelogs from the new base wont really be applied, execept the kernel which can be installed manually but all those other changelogs which are not changed by the kernel wont be applied!
[HTC One X] MarylandCookie:
Dont forget with s-off you can have a custom rom and then revert back for warranty ;)
[HTC One X] matador_kuw:
would be great to have s-off in our mobiles

and if officially done that could lead to massive profits for htc
[HTC One X] waz000000:
Why on what basis? I would guess that about 0.1% of hox owners even know there is an s off yet alone what it does as is evident with some of the replies.

The hackers view of android is far smaller than the consumer view
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
Erm, no, precisely the opposite....

Having a S-ON helps HTC (and carriers) to determine if you've been flashing custom ROMs, and if so they may choose to void your warranty (there's a whole other subject there).

Also, some carriers may mandate S-ON (or similar technologies) before they'll purchase handsets from the manufacturer. Not only do they not like having to pay for warranty returns, they don't like people fooling around flashing Radio files and potentially causing performance issues on their network.
[HTC One X] Azurael:
Which is a pretty crap excuse given that people are entirely entitled to bring their own devices to most networks, and they don't have 'sanctioned' firmware.
[HTC One X] lawrence750:
the network should have measures in place to protect it against this sort of failure. if it wasn't protected against this there would be mayhem. it wouldn't be dodgy radios causing the problem either, it would be hackers
[HTC One X] f4flake:
lmao. performance issues on a network from flashing a radio. as if.
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
If I'm not wrong, we'd have the ability of "locking" the bootloader back instead of "relocking" it by S-OFF, am I right?

Just to mention; I'm not asking if locking the Bootloader will be useful or comprehensible in any way...

thought I should write this, before someone starts with philosophize about my "possibly wrong" or "pointless" question.

Thanks ;)
[HTC One X] crossmission:
really need it

Of course warranty is one of the main issues especially for us who unlocked the bootloader with HTCDev and started having the WiFi issue months later and HTC just sent an invoice for their mistake :p :crying:
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
Happens often, it's why they spend months going through field testing and gaining carrier approval.

The issue isn't with one rogue handset, of course the networks are robust enough to withstand such things, it's when there's a wider issue with range of devices, or a very popular handset (like iPhone). When that happens, the network DOES have an issue:

1) Dropped calls = lost revenue

2) Network degradation due to lots of errant devices = lost revenue

As for hacking attempts? erm it's relatively easy today to bring interrupt a cell!, but an interrupted cell isn't going to bring down an entire network.

500,000 handsets with a radio bug COULD cause enough of a problem to start costing the operator money.

In addition to operator approval, this is why every single handset MUST be tested and approved by the FCC (in the US) or equivalent bodies on other countries.

Again, it's not about 1 rogue handset, it's about them being worried about a wave of handsets with the same problem.

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Being able to restore the lock status would be a huge benefit to avoid the warranty problem (which in itself is highly questionable on HTC's part).

Even if you've registered on HTCDev and requested an unlock code, they'd (in theory) have to prove that you actually unlocked the bootloader.

It's hard to know if HTC will claim merely requesting the unlock key constitutes risking your warranty. Only time will tell.

Plus, we don't know for certain what other counter measures they've employed in order to record any unlocking / re-locking (outside of the visible status).
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
Yeah, if you have an unlocked HBOOT, setting S-OFF returns it to LOCKED.
[HTC One X] Ruudfood:
How many OXs have HTC sold in say, the UK? I can't imagine that it's more than 250k. Given the percentage of enthusiasts who would understand what S-OFF is and be prepared to do it is very small (>0.5) we're talking a few hundred handsets. How much is that going to affect a network provider in terms of signal quality and thus, potentially, cost?

Also consider than only a small percentage of those users who do S-OFF their devices will have problems that require them to take their device back to the manufacturer, the total number of warranty returns will be practically insignificant.

Don't see what the fuss is all about.
[HTC One X] Hunt3r.j2:
The main point of closing S-OFF loopholes is to keep idiots from bricking their devices and to have a reason to deny warranty. No more, no less.
[HTC One X] dibdab214:
I ran this through google translate. Chinese to English.

http://sjbbs.pchome.net/thread-15529-1-1.html

It seems to point at ruu and eng hboot as giving superCid. Worth a read maybe xmoo or football could look.

Clutching at straws :(
[HTC One X] Ruudfood:
So what's your point? If during the process of applying S-OFF to a device it is made clear that doing so will invalidate the warranty, then everyone has a clear warning in advance and if they brick their device they are already aware of the consequences. They've made their choice to go down that route.
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
That's part of the point, S-OFF is completely reversible, leaving no trace. They wouldn't be able to prove you did it.
[HTC One X] Ruudfood:
Yes, but if you've bricked your device trying to get S-OFF or you bricked your device after you'd got S-OFF they it would be clear for all to see!
[HTC One X] ste1164:
No it wouldn't I have bricked an S-OFF device before when I wasnt sure what I was doing. Sent it to HTC and they repaired it for me without question.
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
Because having attempted it and failed, people will STILL try and return the phones which will impact operator stores, and repair centers.

It's more than just warranty issues though. There are issues with grey imports, and security too.

Remember, a few years ago, DRM was the issue, and content providers were worried that delivering content to cell phones might be an issue. That was effectively quashed when it became apparent that PC DRM was doing a lousy job too.

Now they want to use NFC for contactless payments, so banks are 'worried' about the security of the devices (partly why Google Wallet doesn't like working on rooted devices).

There's a LOT of reasons why secure bootloaders exist. Most are historical, and some are simply 'fear' of exploits in a handset that COULD tarnish technology like NFC.

I can remember working at Motorola and pleading for the Bootloader to be updatable by FOTA, but some sections of Motorola just flatly refused to allow the bootloader to be updatable OTA. Paranoia and 'we just don't' still abound.

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A lot of that depends on the repair center or carrier you're with.

Some carriers will use their own repair centers and then charge HTC, some will send to HTC repair centers, some will send to a mutually agreed independent 'approved' repair center.

Once it gets the repair center, things can get weird... It may not be in the repair center's interest to decline a fix. They may choose to just fix the issue and charge HTC accordingly. Or it may even be that the engineer just fixes the issue... esp if it's a software update issue and no disassembly required.

Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't... depending on the path your phone takes!

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Whilst I believe that to be true, it's not certain.

There's nothing to say that achieving S-OFF isn't recorded in some inaccessible (to the outside world) manner.

However, if such a flag / log existed, you'd expect news of it to leak from a repair center, and it hasn't.
[HTC One X] dibdab214:
http://www.52sjwx.com/read.php?tid=80083

Seems to have a pj46diag clean s58 file for s-off. Can't download tho. If someone could get it and xmoo could work his magic and compare it against the ones he has
[HTC One X] xmoo:
Not the correct diag. This is de ASP Diag.
[HTC One X] JaxzTReaper:
Really sorry to be dim guys but if it's 'S-ON' that means I can't just flash a rom .zip ? What does the 'S' stand for?

Currently have unlocked bootloader (what really is this good for?) CWM, root. Thought that was all that was needed and I could just flash away like previous devices. Not that I'm keen to do so (scared of damaging it!) but ultimately I would really love AOSP throughout (4.1.2 with double notification bar would be ideal!).

Starting to think I should of held off and got a Nexus 4 I really am.
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
S stands for Security, and it stops you doing a bunch of things, most annoyingly, flashing a boot image from recovery.
[HTC One X] JaxzTReaper:
Ok thanks great info, so now could you say what happens if I just flash a rom .zip from recovery? I mean am I looking at a brick? Man am I glad I asked about this stuff its twisting me melon! :confused:

It seems alot like Unlocking the bootloader serves little or no purpose? I saw htc assist with this process so I did it. Have no clue what it actually does but I thought it needed to be done for CWM install. Guess wrong again lol.
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
It will half install, the system part will be OK, but you have to flash the boot image via fastboot else it will just get stuck in a bootloop.
[HTC One X] JaxzTReaper:
Bootloop would give me alot of trouble cos I never experienced it I don't think. Now I'm just gonna wait for official JB I think much safer all round for a simple flasher like me. Sooooo glad I asked you have saved me thanks Rusty!
[HTC One X] TheBrilliantMistake:
no no no.... start over:

1) Unlocking the bootloader isn't the same as S-Off

2) Unlocking the bootloader lets you reflash 95% of your phone... you can install a new ROM no problem, but it's slightly more complicated than normal.... still pretty easy though.

3) S-On / S-Off unlocks the remaining 5% of the phone. Basically the 'security' elements.

The security elements exist for many reasons, but one key part is that HTC can 'record' if you've unlocked the bootloader, so when you try to get your phone repaired under warranty, they can detect that you've flashed custom ROMS (or had the potential to do so).

With S-Off, it's possible to 100% wipe the phone, and remove any trace of unlocking.

S-On also does security checks on 100% ROM files, and will prevent them from being flashed unless 'signed' by HTC (but it will allow the 95% ones). With S-Off, this restriction is removed.

For all intents and purposes, the only REAL pain in the ass with S-On is the warranty issue - which is another debate all on its own. According to HTC's disclaimer, unlocking the bootloader MAY limit your warranty claim, but in seems in practice, MAY is being interpreted as WILL by some HTC service centers.
[HTC One X] JaxzTReaper:
Thanks to those responses things are a lot clearer now, I am now sure I won't be messing with it anymore than I have already lol :D

Unless the "S-off is feasible" becomes "S-off is a piece of p**s" I'll stick to flashing mods only with this phone.

Thanks again guys.
[HTC One X] cfs9805804:
So anyone has idea to s-off our hox?
[HTC One X] mickfitz:
Search the forum.
[HTC One X] Nebell:
I came here by searching the forum, and I can't find any updated thread on if S-OFF is possible on not. And you have to agree that searching through a bunch of pages for an answer is tedious.

"Search the forum." takes a lot more time to type than "yes" or "no".
[HTC One X] Sentinel196:
No.... 10 CHARS
[HTC One X] shiningarmor:
s-off benefits chefs more, as for users, a few benefits are open to us

such as:

1: super cid

2: freely flashing radios and kernel

3: access to even deeper fastboot commands (eg: fastboot oem write secureflag x , fastboot oem writecid, etc)

4: freely apply ota from any region, rom from any region etc

5: most importantly, whatever flashed from recovery, does not need to be flashed in fastboot. (eg : roms, dont nid to fastboot flash boot, the boot.img is flashed in recovery together with the rom)

^ reason for this is because s-on limits what u can do in recovery, one of them is boot partition

as for chefs, well, an abundance of tweaks can be made possible.
[HTC One X] *elmo*:
Here You can fine something --> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1774195

Sent from HOX with ARHD 14.2
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
What are the risks for someone to release the Diag file(s)? I mean, for someone who does not work for HTC, just a regular guy who got the files somehow. Should this person expect a lawsuit from HTC and could this person find an absolutely, totally anonymus way to release them? Do they even give a damn?
[HTC One X] xmoo:
It is not a problem for me to leak it, but then it would easily be traced back to couple of htc workers who have access to the diag, and they will be in more trouble.
[HTC One X] skr_xd:
So, whom do you think might be behind the soff solutions available as paid services right now?:confused:

Do you think somebody might have cracked the security in One X and latest devices?:confused:
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
Good question. As postet in another thread, there's this russian shop in moskow where they can s-off the one X. I think it was 4pda or something like that and football did even confirmed it.

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[HTC One X] Vcek:
I don't think paid services are traceable unless HTC intentionally searches through an S-OFFed device.

I thought of a new(not really) way of avoiding the S-ON limitations by making a recovery that acts as a kernel/2ndboot.(will be ugly for normal users)

This idea I got from the original TWRP project called HTCdumlock I tried it on my HOX and it didnt turn out well.
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
Yes, thought of this method, too. This method (2ndboot, kexec) is still used on several Motorola devices. I don't get why we can't have something like this. The moto devices don't even have unlocked bootloaders, they're locked down really hard but for the users its isn't a problem to flash boot from recovery. Is someone already looking at 2ndinit for HTC one X?

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[HTC One X] Sentinel196:
That's the same method that was used on the HD2 to run Android as well. Wouldn't you need an unlocked bootloader in order to run a 2nd boot ROM anyway though?
[HTC One X] Vcek:
my Defy's bootloader is/was locked and is not unlockable(operation MOSH) and yet they managed to make 2ndinit for it. Still if they manage 2ndinit for HOX we will still have to flash boot.img from bootloader i guess.

Now AOSP 4.1.2 is released for Defy im missing it ;) (stupid motorola stopped at gingerbread)
[HTC One X] xmoo:
Maybe they got it from him. As far as I know, he and me are the only one here on XDA with the DIAG.
[HTC One X] alexdiaz:
Anyway, the diag file is useless without the magic javacard, no?
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
Anyway, here are some links regarding 2ndinit. Acutally it's for the Moto Defy but it's just supposed to give you some basic info about it:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1026853

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1028427

TWRP's "HTCDumlock"

http://teamw.in/project/htcdumlock
[HTC One X] xmoo:
Indeed, without a javacard you can't use it.
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
Could it be useful to open a new thread for "2ndinit and similar methods" at the moment?

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[HTC One X] sabret00the:
Any new methods are worth looking into.
[HTC One X] walaway:
Since it's dangerous for those workers in HTC might as well think of them before ranting about not having S-OFF.

The chefs would benefit more from it as stated on an earlier post and the users in general would benefit only around like 2-3 minutes of the whole process and nothing more than that, other than the radios off course(which is highly unlikely and probably just a select few).

If you really want that S-OFF ship it to the German guy or to the Chinese to get it S-OFF'd and once you make a wrong move you'll S-ON it again and cry :D

I'm just a user and those S-OFF ENG-OFF back in DHD days were awesome!

And now on HOX there are definitely a more limited tweaks but we can live by it. IT CAN WAIT imho
[HTC One X] SolidR53:
I found chinese website claiming tutorial to s-off an One X device.

Can anyone translate?

w w w [dot] shendu [dot] com/android/tutorial-7983.html
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
Chinese sites have been lying about getting S-OFF since the phone came out, the picture they've used isn't new.
[HTC One X] neuTrue:
I doubt it is going to work, they are now mentioning you will need to download 3.14 OTA (at least they updated their tutorial, which I am sure they didn't mention this before).
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
The author is simply an idiot, not knowing what flashing means. He says, that upgrading (or maybe unlocking) the Bootloader will result in S-Off...please don't waste your time on chinese/japanese/taiwanese etc websites searching for Diag files or S-Off tutorials!! Why?!

Well here's why:

1. They'll never publish any Diag file, because it would be an economically disaster

2. IF they have one of the Diag files, they're going to, and I'm positive of that, demand money for it...a lot of money

3. Almost 99,95% of all chinese Diag files, S-Off tutorials, claimings that having achieved S-Off in some way and so on, will and going to be fakes

Sry if it sounds a little racist, but that's DEFINITELY not my intention!!! Be aware that I'm a foreigner in the country I was born and I'm living though. So don't even start such a discussion becuase; 1. Off-Topic, 2nd: You're wrong
[HTC One X] Vcek:
4. Diag file is useless without the java card

Sent from my EndeavorU
[HTC One X] jimmy2027:
Please excuse me for adding a bit more to it. From most chinese "s-off tutorials" site, they simply teach you how to "unlock" the bootloader. I even tried one of their so called "s-off" programs and in the end it was simply unlocking and relocking. I guess they actually confused S-off with rooting. They probably thought s-off means "the ability to flash custom roms." That was actually what I thought at first since I used to be new to those android terminology, but after doing some researches I finally realize those are related but different. The bottom line is, I do not agree with someone teaching something that he has not even the least idea what he is talking about.
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
Correct, but my opinion is to subordinate the lack of a javacard. Instead we should focus on other methods flashing boot from recovery. Maybe we can still look for the diag file. Ways of flashing boot on locked bootloaders are available. Just look at all those Motorola forums. Almost non of them have got an unlocked bootloader but they can flash complete Roms without fastboot (mainly because some of the devices don't have fastboot).

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[HTC One X] Orong89:
i will cheak

i will cheak it
[HTC One X] Electronic Punk:
cheak what?
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
This your first HTC?
[HTC One X] nitrous²:
Had a HTC Leo/hd2. After that a milestone 1&2 and the defy. Than an I9000 and finally the hox. Why do you ask? Am I naive believing there could be other methods to flash boot?

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[HTC One X] SolidR53:
Okay thanks. I just thought it would not hurt to ask.

I knew of that guy who sells S-OFF, he was from somewhere around china/taiwan.

I was pretty sure this would be bull****.
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
Given that you're a veteran, I'd say you're being ignorant in saying that any particular method is impossible.