yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] softkey:
Or you can look around and see who deodexed the stock rom and grab that widget.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jdbeitz:
Lol. No no. Network mode is NOT on stock att. network mode is on stock telus and rogers only. Its completely broken on any att variant. It will never work.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Did u try the new att stock?

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jdbeitz:
huh?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] softkey:
AT&T put a new rom out?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
What firmware is this from?

And yes there's a new att firmware

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] spierson1337:
Awesome ROM, had it for a couple days now, no issues so far! Couple of things I noticed:

Shutter sound option for the camera is missing, anybody else have this?

Would it be possible to go further with getting rid of the AT&T pre-installed things such as ChatON, Messages, myAT&T, and YPmobile?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Those should be removed O.o are u restoring them or something?

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] spierson1337:
I didn't restore them on purpose as far as I know. I'll wipe it in the morning and try flashing again. It got rid of the sJunk, not sure why the others didn't go. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] vlara:
I think if you've updated those apps in the playstore it wont remove them, thats probably what happened.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] spierson1337:
Yep, I think you're right. I did a system wipe, clean install. Got rid of everything, but now the Message app no longer starts, crashes every time. Not sure what's up. Also, Google Chrome doesn't seem to be installing correctly.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] kingwp1:
I'm trying to download version 1.2 currently, but the download site seems to be busted at the moment.

--Nevermind, I just had to try three times.

Downloading now, will try it out this evening. Thanks!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Chrome installs to /data not system

And messaging hopefully will be fixed soon
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] lsusparky621:
Can you remove the audio application list that appears in the notification pull-down when earphones are connected? Find it quite annoying. Great work! 5-stars!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jdbeitz:
HTM. Stock secmms.apk uses the stock csc. Copy it to the rom from DB. I forgot to mention that to you the other day.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Ahh ok.

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Go on irc i dont have folder

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
Are you gonna add back SVoice at some point or have a zip to add it ?.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
just get apk from somewhere and push it to system/apps... the reason i removed it was because its 30mb

i dont have it if i did i would get u it.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
OK thanks much will do .
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] kingwp1:
I'm not gonna post a link since it's not my download site, but in the Diet ICS thread by jdbeitz: He has a link for nearly every stock apk that you may need.

I want to say that I've tried the stock rooted rom, two AOSP based roms, and two TouchWiz based roms, and Ultimatum is my favorite experience on the GS3 so far.

Many thumbs up, howtomen!!!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mfratella:
An issue I've had. If I turn off wifi (which I need to do occasionally when I get sucked into one of those weak Starbucks networks), the mobile data does not start up. I have to restart. Also I noticed fairly quick battery burn. I just unplugged my charger at 100% before I typed this and I'm down to 95% already.

Any suggestions?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
Found a SVoice apk that i was using on my galaxy nexus in my drop box. I installed and everything looks great but my AOSP message app is force closing. I flashed the rom again and use the stock msg app and it's still force closing . Any fix for this ?.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] manny05:
Nice. I may have to root sooner than I thought. Can anyone check to see that everything is indeed working correctly?

sent from my GALAXY SIII
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] F1reEng1neRed:
Sometimes I like to flash back to bone stock for that nice fresh feeling.

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Been looking myself. No luck as of yet.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Charles::
Ok, I can only boot to the Samsung Galaxy SII screen, so how can I get this on my internal card? ADB? How do I get the phone into ADB mode?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] CZ Eddie:
This should get you started enough to find the info in a google search.

I'm not aware of any super-cool easy guides.

But it's pretty easy to piece together info here & there.

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/push-files-to-your-device-with-quick-adb-pusher/
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] F1reEng1neRed:
So what did you do that you can only get to the boot screen? And I'm assuming that when you say SII, you meant SIII and the AT&T one?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] manny05:
I usually download the rom and use xplorer to move the file to my internal.

sent from my GALAXY SIII
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jdbeitz:
Damnit htm quit breaking things
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Charles::
I've used adb before, but I can't seem to get my device recognized. I'm assuming I go into download mode (Vol down + home, then power button). I've installed the GS3 drivers (not seeing any unrecognized devices in device manager when it's plugged in in DL Mode). I also installed that ADB tool you linked too and it doesn't recognize my phone.

Did the root process. Rebooted fine, then when I rebooted again, it won't get past the "Samsung Galaxy SIII". And yes, I have an AT&T GS3. ;)

I've tried flashing the stock kernal via ODIN, no dice.

My phone is recognized in ODIN.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
will be fixed soon enough.... xD as soon as i reupload this monster

D:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] CZ Eddie:
I haven't ADB'd the SIII yet.

But I read somewhere on this forum that the ADB for SIII needs a special google driver?

Try searching for "google" and "adb" in the Q&A or General forum maybe.

I didn't even think about that till you mentioned your problem.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] wraithdu:
Has anyone tried ADB in recovery using the Kies drivers?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] F1reEng1neRed:
You tried the restore procedures from this thread?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1726960

If so, try wiping data/factory reset.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Charles::
Yep. Numerous times on both.

If I can get a ROM that I can flash via ODIN, I'd be good (I hope). How hard would it be to make this ROM a tarball?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] drawde40599:
So the rom don't recognize sim card? I haven't installed yet but i want to, is this what I'm reading? So don't instal the 1.0 version? Or am I misunderstanding something?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] F1reEng1neRed:
Have you tried the root procedures again?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Mentalmuso:
I wouldn't install this yet. It did screw up my SIM.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MattMJB0188:
Is it possible to add a GSM network toggle under mobile networks?

Like,

GSM/HSPA/LTE (auto)

GSM/HSPA (auto)

HSPA (only)

GSM (only)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MikeyMike01:
Adorable.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Gimme 5 min and those with no sim will have new file that is working I believe. As for no boot as soon as I get device I can try a fix
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MattMJB0188:
How about a GSM toggle? Can you do that also?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mikeeey:
I LOVE the installer, definitely wasn't expecting that! Can't wait for it to finish!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] lsusparky621:
Haven't experienced either of those problems. For the battery drain, check your running processes for any apps that may be draining it.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Will be fixed sooon

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Check ur apn

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mikeeey:
This rom is great!

I did just get the phone yesterday so much of my post will be about how great this new phone is!

I'm more than amazed with the excellent battery life. On my Optimus 3D (LG Thrill) when I took my phone off the charger from 100% it would be at about 89% within 30 minutes after doing nothing, then it just sits there for a bit. At 89% I'd watch a 50 minute TV episode on Netflix, and I'd be at about 40% - 60%

On my Galaxy S3 (using this rom) I'd start the Netflix episode at about 95%, and when it was over it was only at 89%!!

As far as memory goes, I've done some browsing around on my phone and opened some apps. Set the phone down in standby for 5 minutes, then picked it back up and checked my ram, I have 1067mb available, Killing all tasks brings me to 1306mb.

So far I've had no issues with this rom, it fixed all the little things here and there I would have wanted changed in the stock rom.

I do have a couple questions though. On stock I was able to disable the shutter sound in the camera, just scroll to the very bottom when you click on the settings in the camera app. On this rom this option isn't there. Is there a way I can enable this option in the app? There are times when I want the shutter sound and times I don't want it.

Also, I just noticed that the Galaxy S-Voice is gone, atleast nothing happens when I double click the home button.

I've reinstalled voicetalk.apk, but how can I make it so she comes up when I double click home? This is actually a feature I'd feel at loss without, lol.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
There might be a lib or something with s voice ill get to you on that and the shutter sound ill upload in the morning...prob aa cwm zip.

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mikeeey:
OK thank you very much!!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
Ok i have a 32GB sd card in my GSlll but whatever i download or install goes on the internal sd , i can't see the external sd card in recovery . How do i get it to come in play ?.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mbc663:
sdcard/mnt/extSdCard
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
Yeah if i use a file manager i see that but not in recovery and i do a download or a backup it goes to the internal sd . Is there a recovery for this phone that let you choose from internal or external SD ? . I tried TWRP but can't even find what's on the internal sd with it .
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mbc663:
I have clock work recovery and ext is the default backup location
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
My backup is at sdcard and not mint/extsdcard, i only have a "parent" and a "data" folder at extsdcard .
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
what recovery are u using use team epics latest

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
I'm using Touch Recovery from rom manager , tried TWRP but can't fine neither internal nor external sd with it . Where can find the one from team epics ?. I'll try to search for it .
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
here ya go man:

http://www.epiccm.org/2012/06/cwm-recovery-on-all-sgs3-lte-variants.html

hit the thanks ;)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
here ya go.

http://www.mediafire.com/?7rnrm9s97n7uoma
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
Thanks much .
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jawonder:
The team epic zip was giving me an error when i tried to flash it in recovery so i restored my backup of stock flash TWRP recovery and just flash the rom over stock. I now have the option from TWRP to choose external or internal SD when backing up and restoring .
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] playboy71322:
anyone here have the stock calendar app? i can't find it anywhere in the forums...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mikeeey:
In regards to the two questions I had, s-voice home double click is now working, probably started working after a restart.

Disabling sound in camera only requires you to put the phone on silent/vibrate. But if it's easily possible to choose in the camera app that would be nice too.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Alright did the zip bring back the sound tho...

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mikeeey:
Ah I didn't notice the zip. Yes I just flashed it now and the shutter sound option is there. Thanks!

Now I have noticed one major problem. It almost seems like no notifications are working. Facebook, textfree, Google voice. These all should give notifications and I have to manually refresh them all. The only application that gives an instant notification is the Hotmail app. I may make a nandroid backup, flash a different rom, and see if it's the rom or app's incompatibility with the SGIII (if the problem persists on the new rom)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mbc663:
ive tried time and time again. the alarm clock will not go off. didnt realize it didnt work until my third night over sleeping! ive tried it several times now and it doesnt make a sound, vibrate or light up
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] wildcard30:
Alarm clock is working fine for me just tried it.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Mine just went off? Try a reflash no wipe?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mbc663:
Eh, I'm using one from the market. Easier than wiping
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] tamelion1117:
Flashed this rom last night. First rom on my sgs 3 and so far it's running smooth. I like that its debloated, but still has a lot(if not all) of the things I like about stock. Great work, man.

Sent from my Ultimatum powered SGS III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
1.3 will be dropping soon. Hopefully we can get all the mods done in the next couple updates then work on looks and other stuff.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crossover37:
How are people texting using this rom if the Messaging app doesn't work? I tried the workarounds but to no avail.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] kingwp1:
This is the first ROM I've ever kept up with and installed a subsequent version. Will I be able to simply flash a CWM zip of the new one over the old one, without going through all the steps of TiB backups, and data resets, etc?

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Download an AOSP messaging app. They're all over the boards. Search "stock google ICS mms.apk"
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crossover37:
Cool, thanks.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] tamelion1117:
I have been using handcent sms ever since I got my first Android and it works perfectly on this rom. It's free, it's customizable and you can find it in the play store. :)

Sent from my ultimatum powered SGS III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mbc663:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1697457

my favorite mms apk! transparent and clean.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Yes no wipe needed.

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] lsusparky621:
GoSMS is working great for me. I have been using it for a year and a half and love it. Faster and more options than Handcent, IMO.

If I am coming from stock (that I debloated myself), do you think it is ok to install this ROM, then do an advanced restore of /data from the stock ROM I just came from? Here's the thread that outlines this restore method: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1766443

Edit: I think the addition of these mods would be awesome. I know some of them have been mentioned before, but here it is all in one place.

1. Disable ongoing WiFi notification. Found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1784615

2. Enable native WiFi hotspot and bluetooth tethering. Found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1732262

3. Remove carrier branding in notification bar (see 1st attached photo).

4. Disable ongoing audio application list when earphones are connected (see 2nd attached photo).

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S III
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
We made the remove ongoing wifi xD vlara devs this rom and the att logo i can prob get to... ongoing wifi is already in update.

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mikeeey:
So are notifications working for you guys? Try facebook for example, I'm not getting pop notifications for anything at all. If this was fixed I'd use this Rom, and it would be my favorite.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
They all work for me O.o try waiting for update or check app settings

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] kingwp1:
Is anyone having problems with notification vibrations? I've turned vibrations on everywhere I know where to look, but when I get an email either from the stock email app or gmail, it doesn't vibrate. Both are set to vibrate always. I just had a test text sent, and it didn't vibrate either.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Actually i dont think i get a vibration from gmail... ive never had it vibrate before tho

Is it supposed to?

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] kingwp1:
It should. I've got my phone on silent nearly all day at work, and I've always had my phones vibrate when silent. I never know when I get gmail when my phone is in my pocket if it doesn vibrate.

An update- the stock email decided to start vibrating again. I guess it got tired of me toggling the settings off and on trying to test it
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Set in vibrate not silent

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] kingwp1:
Yep, I had them set that way. No luck.

I just found that by having a profile manager app like Llama installed, everything vibrates like it should. Weird. I don't know whats wrong, but I'll just leave it like this from now on until I flash something and wipe everything again
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Might push out update today! like always remember that that this rom is no wipe... since we only have to firmwares the wipe is only required if ur coming from aosp. in which case i suggest trying stock first.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] :
Hi,

Just flashed, very nice with all the bloatware removed.

Noticed that during the install it asked if I wanted the AOSP SMS or the stock samsung one. I picked the AOSP one but

upon reboot could only see the stock samsung SMS.

Thanks,

Snorkel
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
you should have both O.o
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mbc663:
Really looking forward to this update. Only Samsung rom i really like and i wanna stay TW
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] :
hmm. I can't find the icon for the ASOP one. oh well maybe I thought I selected it but didn't

Not a big deal will just make sure to select it next time
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] :
Hi, any way to get the camera to work while in a call?

Just wondering as I discovered today that if you are on a call and wanted to mms a picture to someone it won't allow the camera to start.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
No idea id have to look into it

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] flammingcamel:
so i flashed ultimatum and im not sure what happened but i got a total blackout and i couldnt access cwm or download. BUT i got er fixed so if anyone else has this problem do not just send in for warranty or call att. try this first.

remove battery

hold power button for ten seconds w/ battery removed

release then repeat

then reinsert battery and hold vol dwn+home+power for download mode

that is all i tried then i went and reflashed att stock so anything else after that is on you

i really wanted to try ultimatum :eek:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] lineux:
ROM status

Reporting in with a week of testing.

Heavily used for calling/texting/browsing web/youtube. Didn't have ANY issues.

Love the stock look and feel of the rom.

With slight CPU optimization using smokin1337's CPU editor I'm able to get an amazing battery life. At 25% of battery still there I was at 1day 18hrs. 3-4 hours of screen usage with youtube/chrome.

Very satisfied.

Thank you Howtomen and Vlara! =D
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
what were u coming from O.o and theres no way it should touch cwm or dl mode it would have u be a user error.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] flammingcamel:
Came from tasks aokp jb Rom running ktoonsez aosp kernel. Like I said I have no idea how this happened I ran ultimatum on my s2 and loved it. Also ran tasks aokp. I switched between them all the time with no problem. I believe it was just a bad flash because once I drained the board of power dl mode came up like it never happened. I was just simply posting to help others if the same happens to them.;)

And by the way I love your Rom howto. Your 2.2 for the s2 started me on flashing custom roms
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] :
Question, how do I get the camera shutter sound back? It takes a pic so fast it hard to tell if it worked, at least that's what the wife says when she used my phone.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
Ahhh u need to flash to stock on odin and then flash rom xD

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
There's a flashble zip a couple pages back like 1-2 so search bar should find it ;)

im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] flammingcamel:
Thanks bro that's what I'm running right now I just downloaded root injected stock and will use mobile Odin from now on lol
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
im unsure if mobile odin works atm or not....
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] :
How can I uninstall apex launcher? I use nova and was just wondering why I could not uninstall it.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] howtomen:
you have to get es file explorer give it root rights and delete it from /system/app
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] flammingcamel:
Chainfires site says it does. I guess next time I need an Odin flash I'll find out.;)