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[Galaxy Tab 2 General] miketoasty:
Eh, the better processor is debatable being that Android doesn't support multiple core CPU's all that well. Second, with us getting a CM9 port that is working and should be integrated into mainstream soon (It is currently under review), we should have no trouble getting JB whenever the CM team releases it, although it would be nice to have it built for our device straight from the manufacturer.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] nphil:
They market this tablet as a gaming device too, but no expandable storage? I don't understand. Modern games take as much as 2+gigs on my tablet.. Otherwise, it seems to be an upgrade to the tab 2, not to mention better developer support.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] vikingzou:
no microSD, no rear camera, wtf! stupid Google.

why not add these two important features and rise the price to $209?

stupid google, again.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] nam265:
I'd pay $249 for 8GB version with microSD slot. I careless about rear camera but would be nice to have.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Frankenstooge:
I was ready to return my P3113 to Costco to buy the N7, but the lack of SD will leave me frustrated.

I went through memory limit problems with the Nexus One, I won't make that mistake ever again.

However, JB has some very nice refinements... let's port that s***!
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] miketoasty:
I completely agree, the rear camera doesn't really matter to me, but the microSD slot is huge.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] nam265:
I'm sure most people are on the same boat!!!

I just need some DEVs come out and say 4.1 can be ported easily thru AOSP then I will stick with GTab 2 with my precious video collections. (32gb of it)

Really like the specs on the Nexus 7. Thank goodness they kept GPS intact. But the slot.. gee the damn slot..
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Kiersten_Kress:
with hundreds of brilliant Android engineers, I cannot believe nobody

said "hey, what about a microSD slot?" during meetings... perhaps

it was a Google Play marketing guy who said "leave out the microSD

so people will spend more money buying content from out awesome

Google Play Store!"

I forgot where I read this, but it apparently only costs $4 per tablet to

have a SD card slot.(not sure about microSD, but can't be that much

different) The decision to exclude it must be purely to extract more

money from consumers from online cloud-based content purchases.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] bark777:
My gal is going to end up with one of these. She has a hard time filling up an 8GB memory.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Ryanscool:
I'm keeping this tablet. Its the same processor as the galaxy nexus, and the galaxy is fast on jelly bean. I'm used to not having the fastest processors, I had the infuse. Its still going tp be almost as quick. With great developers making us the new update for us and themselves , it will work great.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
Since CM9 is working, I'll work on making a full AOSP build for the tablets off of the CM9 work. Shouldn't be to hard to do. As for getting the Nexus tablet, I agree with others that the deal breaker is the lack of a microSD card slot. I would have traded the IR blaster and rear camera for the screen/cpu advantage, but not without being able to have expandable storage.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] chogau1:
The lack of sd card slot is almost a deal breaker, but the 16 gb version cost 249 with much better specs than the sgt2, how much do you think I can get for the sgt2 wifi in the us.?
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] pupochek:
...not to mention the fact that Nexus 7 is ugly like hell in comparison to our device :-)
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] mrbkkt1:
More cores are actually better for battery life.

I'm happy with my gt2 though
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
Yeah... that only works to a point. There is a trade off. You get more done faster, but at the same time, you're using more cores, so you could use more power, depending on how long the multiple cores are active. I'm guessing that during gaming, it turns all of them on when they may not all be needed, and if you have idle cores, you're wasting battery. Really, the only thing the Galaxy Tab 2 could use is a better GPU IMO. I don't see a major need for quad-core cpu if games take advantage of the GPU horse power.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Hipster Dashie:
I could have dealt with the (hugely annoying) lack of Micro SD expandability, but now I've learnt that USB OTG does not work with thumbdrives.

Sorry, but I simply cannot justify purchasing a tablet with such crippled storage capabilities. Which kills me because I love everything about the Nexus 7 except that.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] tcb4:
I probably would have bought this over my tab 2, but now with all these issues Idk if I can justify buying another 7" tablet. Samsung better continue to support this device because I feel like jelly bean could fix a lot of issues this tablet has.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
CM9 fixed the issue that bothered me the most, and that was with pairing bluetooth devices.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] cenbit:
I do not think Apple will release a mini iPad before March 2013 since the mini iPad absolutely will be a competitor against the new ipad.

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I will keep on my eyes on if Nexus 7 is worthy to replace my Tab2 7.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
With TeamHacksung working on the Tab 2, I have no real care on if Samsung decides to update to Jelly Bean or not. I would think it would be in their best interest to update the tablet, but with only a few minor issues left to fix for the Galaxy Tab 2 for CM9 support (and likely AOSP support), we'll have Jelly Bean long before Samsung gets it to us, and likely future versions of Android as well.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] rcatron:
From my experience with the Transformer Prime, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much for the Nexus. I know for day to day tasks such as browsing and emailing, etc - my Tab 2 7.0 performs better than my Prime - especially when browsing. Hopefully, Jelly Bean will help,that, but I am not holding my breath.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] mymusicathome:
No micro SD slot...

No MHL adapter support....

No OTG USB thumbdrive support...

FAIL.

Had one on pre-order but after hearing about all the items that are not supported cancelled the order...
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
I'm sure OTG will be hacked in, but the lack of any expandable storage out of the box is a big turn off. I'm sure Google is doing it so that you use their cloud services more, but what happens when you're someplace without internet access and want to listen to music, watch a movie, or something similar?
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Metallice:
Not a big deal for my Gnex since I usually have 3g everywhere with Verizon... but on a WiFi only tablet?... that could suck. If they had a 32gb version for 249... I'd have sold this tab2 already...
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Mystic38:
the improved battery life does not come from an increased number of cores... on a like for like basis, an increase in cores would cause increased consumption due to administrative overhead required for each core..small, but its there.

The quad cores are on a smaller geometry wafer, smaller geometry means lower voltages and faster switching ..and its these two things that result in reduced battery consumption.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
quad core

For everyone saying that the tegra3 will kill the batter life please do a Google search for its product page. The tegra3 has 5 cores, a quad for when you need it and a single for when you dont. It also features many other improvements to reduce power consumption .

Brief:

Super 4-PLUS-1™ Quad Core with 5th Battery Saver Core*- Four plus one refers to Tegra 3’s quad CPU cores, plus the 5th, battery-saver CPU core. This Variable SMP architecture enables four performance cores to be used for max burst, when needed, with each core independently and automatically enabled and disabled based on workload. The single battery-saver core (or companion core) handles low-power tasks like active standby, music, and video, and is transparent to the OS and applications.NVIDIA DirectTouch™*- This is a patent-pending architecture that improves touch responsiveness and reduces power consumption by offloading a portion of the touch processing onto the NVIDIA® Tegra® 3 processor.3D Stereo Gaming*- This capability leverages NVIDIA’s award-winning NVIDIA 3D Vision® technology to automatically, and in real-time, convert OpenGL based games and apps into Stereo 3D.NVIDIA PRISM Display Technology*- PRISM (or Pixel Rendering Intensity and Saturation Management) reduces a mobile device’s backlight power while simultaneously enhancing the pixel color to deliver the same visual quality with substantially extended battery life.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
You know, cause everything works just as manufacturers say they do in real life. If you are doing something, and the system decides it needs all 4 cores when in actuality, it could get away with 2, it is going to drain the battery faster. That's like saying a V8 with cylinder deactivation gets the same fuel economy as a 4 cylinder engine since it turns off the cylinders it doesn't need. Sure, it gets better fuel economy at times, but it's significantly worse others. The same would hold true for battery life. The longer more cores are on, the faster the battery will drain.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
The real power saving comes from the display tech. Open settings on yours and click on battery, then tell me what is using all of your power.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
Welcome to every portable device out there right now...
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
This
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Metallice:
Seriously battery life is about the same give it a rest already.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Ryanscool:
Thank you lol. Anyway but from I've seen from just normal usage (not tests) this and the nexus are about the same . The omap in out devices does a great job at keeping up.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] tcb4:
I hear this companion core is active while browsing the web. People say that you have to open multiple tabs to get a decent browsing experience.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
I'll give a direct comparison as soon as the product ships.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Angultra:
Too bad they left out Micro SD and HDMI from the N7... but does GT2 7.0 even support Samsung HDMI adapter? I read it doesnt work.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
I believe it does not work because it's not a DLNA supported device.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] shinydesert:
I think that I will end up returning my Galaxy 2 7" wifi+3g if the wifi issue does not get fixed and I will wait for another Google tab wifi+3g.

This is driving nuts,all the freaking death grip.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] danipoak:
So what kinds of issues do you all have with the Tab 2? I was planning on buying an N7 soon but I saw the Tabs at Costco and am giving it a second thought. I am sure I will be rooting it as soon as I get it. I use CM9 on my Epic 4G right now and love that so would definitely try out CM9 on the Tab. Anyways my main use for it is for PDF reading. I am starting graduate school in a month and there are not going to be any text books in my program, just a lot of pdf reading. I figured it would be a pain in the ass to lug my computer around everywhere. I have an iPad right now that work gave me but I hate it. How many people here are thinking they might jump ship?
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] innov:
Besides the random wifi issues, everything else seems ok especially if you plan to use GSM version (P3100). as for features the lack of autofocus in rear camera is a letdown for me but then again N7 doesn't have rear camera as comparison.

if you don't require large space (microsd slot) or gsm / phone function then the n7 may be more tempting. however there's no detailed review on n7 yet so we don't know its build quality or issues with it.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] danipoak:
The Costco one is WiFi only. Since I can just setup a hotspot on my phone I could careless about having cell service on it. I assume the wifi issues are along the lines of dropped connections and/or not being able to connect at all? Might be able to deal with that depending on how frequent. Photography is my side hobby so I cannot see myself caring about a tablets camera. Makes sense though about the reviews though and I wouldn't expect anything on that yet. I'm tempted to pick it up from Costco and then just return it if I don't like it or the N7 just comes out with stellar reviews. I have to admit though I am a bit skeptical about Asus anything.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] pupochek:
I have a wifi only version, bought at BJs the first one, had to return it, wifi was dropping standing in front if the router. 2nd one from microcenter (199$) works perfectly.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] innov:
The wifi issues is having random bad reception and (random) reconnect problem which you have to turn off and turn back on.

The autofocus is necessary for some apps like google goggles (scanning 2d barcodes) and taking small item pictures using macro, so it's not because the small 3.15 mpx resolution in my opinion.

As for Asus quality, their notebook quality is very good and above HP or Acer (read in one survey about the ratio of unit sold and returned / repaired), altough I don't know about their netbook or tablet quality.

which makes me wonder if this thing hardware, software or design issues? if software is the cause I hope samsung could find the fix soon, if the design is flawed I wonder how the design test works. But if it's hardware issues it they really have bad QA because the RMA policy in here is very, very bad. based on experience they never replaced with new unit, at most just new motherboard even that only if the unit have very bad problem / cannot turned on.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] highandmighty00:
No micro SD sealed the deal for me.My gtab2 is just fine.May pick up a cpl nexus tabs to give to the kids though since they r cheap.

Inspire 4G CM9
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
I got rid of my tab 2 because it had horrendous touch lag on virtually everything from apps to the home screen. I'm hoping that i don't have the issue with the n7. Has anyone else had this issue? Was mine just a lemon?
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] D'Anklaud:
i passed on the nexus 7 for the GT-P3113,due to lack of storage options, i love this tab2,ive been getting nearly no lag
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] innov:
touchwiz (as most other custom launcher made by phone manufacturer) is the main cause, try changing custom rom or use different launcher.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] azturbomini:
I had the I/O nexus 7 model for two days. It's a great tablet but the lack of storage killed it for me. I purchased a galaxy tab 2 7" that came with a Samsung case on eBay today. I ordered a 32gb SD card and an 8400mah external battery pack all for less than the 16gb nexus 7 tablet would have cost. As long as I don't have some reported Wi-Fi issues I'll be a happy camper.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Fulaeetoy:
Same here.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
I tried several different launchers (adw,go,etc..) and that only increased the lag. It was most notable when trying to play a game on it. The first touch I made seemed to never register and when trying to drag across the screen it would stutter.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] azturbomini:
I would either start deleting apps until the issue went away or a hard reset and only load the game you are trying to play before any other apps and see if the problem goes away. Just a thought...
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] XsynthZ:
I took one look at the Nexus 7's design and was immediately relieved that I wen't ahead and got my Galaxy tab 2. I'm just not a fan of the back and I really don't like how large the screen bevel is on the top and bottom of the screen. I rooted my Galaxy tab, flashed CM9, and I am as happy as can be.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] D'Anklaud:
I have just rooted and debloated my GT-p3113,and now its even faster(free ram),I'm soo glad i bought this the same Hour it was released in Canada 07,03,2012 ,its my 6th tablet (finnaly got Exactly what I've been looking for,finally :victory: :D )
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Kiersten_Kress:
I have a new Tab 7 2.0... nearly no lag.

Strangely, when I used GO LAUNCHER, the lag becomes unbearable... with frequent FCs. :(
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] danipoak:
Ugh. Best buy needs to get pre orders up. I'm getting impatient but I have this $50 gift card I need to use. Can't think of anything else I'd ever get from there.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
Preorder from Google and use your gift card for a case and screen protector.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] danipoak:
I decided I'm going to pre order from Adorama then do what you say with the gift card. With adorama I don't have to pay sales tax and shipping is less than half of Google. Saves me about $30.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] TonyBigs:
I'm happy with the Tab 2 7.0. The lack of microSD for the Nexus was a deal breaker, as others have stated. Probably trying to encourage "cloud" storage.

While the Tab 2 may not be the latest and fastest, for me, the Tab 2 does everything well.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Ryanscool:
For most daily tasks with jellybean it will crush the nexus 7 because the nexus 7 uses the companion core too much. With this omap it will be as fast as thw galaxy nexus, which is incredibly fast.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
When the nexus 7 is in stock at a store near you go try it. I have used more Android devices than I care to list and nothing comes close to my n7. Thankfully compusa has a return policy on tabs because my gtab2 is going back Monday.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Ryanscool:
Ill try it out. May get it except I kind of bought my gtab with gift money so I have aa tpn I can use on another lol.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] manbearpig:
Wrong. It mostly uses the companion core when the screen is off. It blows my galaxy nexus out the water.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Ryanscool:
You sure? I havent actually held one and used it but from seeing others using the nexus 7 it seemed slower then my gtab. Especially browsing. The other actions the same maybe a tad bit slower, seemed even mostly.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] manbearpig:
I just came from the gtab 7.0 2 and the nexus blows it away in EVERY way . I am so happy about my purchase. It's truly a lot better.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] imnuts:
Blows it away until you use all your storage space, then you're left with hacking it to use external storage...
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] azturbomini:
Sorry it doesn't blow the Gtab away. I've owned both.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] soldeus:
Benchmarks and personal experience say otherwise.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] manbearpig:
Youre just plain wrong.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] azturbomini:
No, I'm not. Both have their short comings but both are good tablets.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Yenupuri:
Yup... as long as we have the choice to pick one...who cares :) pretty sure we will have more choices soon . For me as a tab owner ... I've spent a few minutes pondering and then realized that something new is always coming. So for me...I have CM9 on my tab 2 and am happy... if someone has a Nexus 7... let us know what is good in it and what you think can be better ...in the end ... I happy that android tabs are getting better.

Peace!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus i9250.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
I'm not sure where to start... this thing does everything that I ask it to and project butter was an absolute success. From the home screen, to web browsing, to gaming everything is smooth. I tried 1080p streaming from my home server and that had a bit of stutter, but if the video is stored locally there is no problem. If there is anything specific you would like a comparison/review of let me know.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Rambytes:
I can play MKV (ex.: Lord of the Ring) at 1080P using MxPlayer on my Tab2, run smoooooooth! Each file is around 20Gb... play without a glitch (over my wifi network!)
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] wowmail:
Same here. I'm using an old machine as a Linux server, and I can stream Avatar, full 1080p , blue ray source - and it is smooth as silk.

I'm running CM 9 (7/17) and Metallikernel a6

Also just ordered a 64 GB Micro SD card :)
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Rambytes:
Be carefull, the Tab2 cannot have bigger than 32Gb microSD...
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
The same video file that I used is not watchable on my tab2 when streamed or on the SD.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] raziel73:
Running a custom ROM invalidates the comparison. I am doing a side by side of the stock devices. Its pointless to run the comparison with a modified device because 90+ % of consumers are not going to go through all that just to get their device to work the way that they wanted it to when they bought it.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Yenupuri:
Alright! Your toy is newer and nicer... happy? :)
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Ryanscool:
+1. To the guy who keeps on argueing seriously your choice we all have our opinions. For me my gtab is good enough, on jellybean it will be great.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Redleg02:
Not true, I've got a 64Gb in with more than 32Gb on it. Works with no issues.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] wowmail:
Hi, I wasn't comparing, I was discussing streaming video performance. BTW none of us in this forum are "90%" so any ROM we want, even Ubunto is fair game :)

Both machines are great, I'm excited to see advancement in this form factor. ( It's perfect size for me because I am a book fanatic)
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] levi_jm:
Stutter may be down to your router rather than your tab. Is your router a/b/g/n? If os, then disregard my post...obviously :cyclops:
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] manbearpig:
N7 ftw. I came from grab. Couldn't be happier!
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] CXENTE:
64GB ? Can you send and use your apps on it? With programs like droidsail super app2sd (root) i want too know before i buy one
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] innov:
Speaking of galaxy nexus comparison, I just found out that the Gtab 2 uses the same Wolfsen 1811 HD audio chipset as Samsung Galaxy S III, which explain why the audio quality is superb, as compared to tegra 3 powered nexus 7 which I heard use the same realtek chipset as ipad (I never quite like the audio quality in ipod nano / touch, they feel very flat compared to even the most standard mp3 players).
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] savagehax:
I have both tablets and I use my tab2 more. I won the nexus7 from a local bar raffle . While it is pretty and snappy it's just not what I thought it would be. The quad core is great for about 7 games but in everyday tasks seems real sluggish believe it or not .also no rear camera is unjustifiable. It's 2012!!! The lack of external storage for a "gaming" tablet is beyond crazy . Honestly way happier with tab 2 with cm9 or cm10. But this is just my opinion .
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] Mike02z:
I have both and the 7 blows away the tab 2 in my opinion. The thing the Tab 2 has going for it is the on board micro USB and the rear camera. If you want to stay stock, like the rear camera and want the storage, go with the Tab 2.

If you plan to root and don't need the rear camera. go with the 7. Once rooted you can buy a 4 dollar OTG to usb cable and by a cheap usb micro sd reader and you're set. I think I paid a total of 10 bucks at Amazon for these. The screen on the 7 is far superior to the Tab 2 as is the memory and processing power. I also don't like the Samsung spin on ICS. Some like it, I do not.

My Tab 2 died and came back from repair still broken but Samsung has decided to give me a brand new one. I'm happy with their customer support now but may be selling the Tab 2 as I just think the 7 is the superior device. Of course, YMMV.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] jtskier11:
I had a Nexus......... Although it was a steamy pile of dog turds as far as build was concerned (dead pixels, creaky bezel, lifting LCD). It was snappy and JB was cool. After getting my hands on 4 crap devices..... Sent the Nexus back, got a Tab2 and much happier with the coin I spent as its not falling apart before I took even it out of the box.
[Galaxy Tab 2 General] :
You know we have Jellybean on the tab 2 7.0 via the latest aokp and cm10. I am running aokp and its pretty fast.

sent from my tab 2