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[Xperia Play General] ClioCreslind:
If you actually own an Xperia PLAY, you'll KNOW it's a well built, well designed, and a "socially-acceptable" device which managed to have a gamepad built-in. It's stock firmware is well-optimized and stable. So a VERY-high percentage of owners actually LOVE their Xperia PLAY, it serves as a reliable smartphone and in that sense, it's not a flop.

But from "Sales", "Consumer impression", "Gaming ecosystem" perspectives and many more, I'd concur it's a flop.

Looking back, I actually think by announcing the Xperia PLAY along with the PS VITA back in Feb 2011, Sony made a lot of would-be Xperia PLAY customers waited for the "Real console" PS VITA instead. It killed the sales of Xperia PLAY right from day one. Had the PS VITA been announced in November 2011, since it's not available until 2012 anyway, MANY more people would have bought the Xperia PLAY through April-November.

Had there been more sales, the Xperia PLAY community will be a thriving one today, even with the single-core 512RAM specs.

Oh well, as it turns out, sales of BOTH the Xperia PLAY and VITA suffered (VITA suffered in this strategy because the hype has cooled down by the time it's available). All that strategy did was to block some NDS sales back in April-June2011. In hindsight, that's sacrificing two products to block one competitor's product for a couple of months... I think there are lessons to be learned here.

Lastly, by the 300+ games that are Xperia PLAY optimized, I think it testifies there are many Game developers out there who wants to make games best played with gamepad, and also likes the ease of distribution and potential audience of the smartphone ecosystems such as Android's Google Play. The idea of "Android smartphone with gaming controls" is not a flop, a real need/desire exists.

With so many gamepad accessories coming out for Android and iOS in the next few months, I think Sony is really missing the boat if they don't try to establish Playstation-Branded hardware (ie gamepad with the the iconic buttons) on the "smartphone gaming scene" now. Honestly, I have no idea what Sony is doing, it's just one mistake after another the way I see it...
[Xperia Play General] rgrover:
Couldn't agree more, been thinking the same thing myself. It seems they're doing very little/nothing to establish PlayStation Certified devices.
[Xperia Play General] sufy1000:
And another thing you've got to remember is that the Xperia Play is running Android. It's not like the PS Vita where it has its own gaming operating system.

You've got to give credit to the developers as well for optimising the games for the Xperia Play.
[Xperia Play General] UndisputedGuy:
At first, i wasn't too impressed with the play . Seemed like nothing special, bar the gamepad. However, i have grown to li in e it more and more. Its smooth and fast with a few hiccups here and there. Browsing is also quite superb and it is still able to handle quality games. What are the benefits of having more cores, seriously?
[Xperia Play General] sufy1000:
That's exactly how I see it. It has grown on me as well. It does everything for me whatsapp, Twitter, Facebook,Youtube oh, and gaming * slides out gamepad * :cool:
[Xperia Play General] mehdi.moha:
mine?!

that was exhibition's phone

that is still good , beside , i wonder how you didn't belive that ! just wanna belie sony's blahblahblah ...
[Xperia Play General] BinaryXeroMedia:
I think the only two reason for it not selling well is because of being released at the same time as the arc which had hdmi. If the play had hdmi then it MAY have done better. And also the specs. Lots of people had doubts that a low spec device would give a fun comfortable Xperia-nce (see what I did there :D) but I love my play and everyone who said it wouldn't be fun to play on were wrong IMO.

Xperia play FTW.
[Xperia Play General] Geeve:
Well most of the people nowadays tend to care more about specs then what the phone actually does and how it behaves. Let's face it, after trying both SGSII and XPlay, you would definitely choose XPlay. :)
[Xperia Play General] TLRtheory:
Pretty much.

I used to be one of 'those' guys who was ignorant enough to count worth by specs... and after hearing how low-end the specs on Xperia Play were, I expected to be totally disappointed.

Still wanted to give it a chance though, so I went to try it out at a Verizon store... and holy crap I didn't expect it to be any form of fluid, but it was fluid throughout everything gaming and otherwise.

Nowadays, I've had Atrix users, G2x users, iPhone users, SGS2 users and even a few GNoters with Xperia Play envy (and even a couple offers to trade). I can get a monster phone anytime if I want smoothness... but Xperia Play's already smooth, and has better gamepad integration than any other phone on the market.
[Xperia Play General] zackspeed:
Funny to see how everyone feels about this device. Is it a flop?? Well yes and no. I really like my play even with it being the bastard X version. I got the device for the sole reason of being able to play the games I had as a kid and the ones I could not afford to have. Just put the Neodroid on mine and man there are some really great fighting games on that console. I have had or been able to play with most of the Android devices and must say hands down this has been the most stable and reliable of them all. 2.3.4 has been so butter smooth and its a real shame VZW messed it up the way they did with the hole Google servers issue. But again I still like it more than my Inc 2.

Now I see everyone bashing the Ion and do agree its set to fail with a locked bootloader and being ATT only but must say knowing what I do about the play I am all for getting a Ion. The screen quality makes the Samy phones look like crap. Yes even the SGS 3. Super Amoled is just to dark and grainy for my liking. Kinda like plasma vs lcd or led. With the Ion I could play my EMU's on my TV with a controller and yes I could do the same with allot of other devices but no other company has dock integration like the S and Ion do.
[Xperia Play General] Strife182:
Quick answer: Yes it bombed.

Long answer:The phone had a serious potential to be the start of the flagship phone line for android gaming.

- Being able to play android games with a gamepad

- Being able to play those console games better with the emulators

- Sony's own line of PSOne, PSP titles

But one year later what do we really have?

- We basically have to hope/beg developers to include Xplay controls in their games where this should be the norm.

- Emulators are played best in the Xplay as we thought.

- Sony has not been consistent in their released games, some markets has them and other don't have anything but Crash Bandicoot, we had to figure out ways to port them over because they clearly aren't interested.

The phone bombed, developers mostly have it as an after thought when making a game for Android and Sony is trying to act like it was a bastard child. Not getting the ICS upgrade is the final nail in its coffin. Users appreciate the phone for its gaming capabilities but that doesn't mean the xperia play was a commercial success.
[Xperia Play General] shakalek:
I have Play since release day in UK and i've been thinking lately, which mobile will be next. To be honest, i can't see Play 2, so will stay with my play. Seriously, i have hundreds of games on it (95 percent are emulators like Atari800, Amiga, PS1 and NEOGEO) and some dedicated games. All I do is making calls and playing games.

When i do nightshifts (12 hrs -.-), my Play is the only thing that keeps me 'alive' with music player and battery lasting more than these 12 hours!

I had the feeling to go iPHONE and stop with modding and playing, but every time I have a think about it there are way too many negatives (touchscreen is good for Angry Birds only and some point and click adventure games from Amiga eg. Beneath a Steel Sky or Monkey's Island).

Best phone ever. For now.
[Xperia Play General] IanPPK:
Hmm.. Cool concept, but Im a little skeptical on whethwr or not theyll actually do it, matbe with Nokia or Samsung under windows phone. Im also skeptical on what experience it would provide in gaming. I say this because many devs are aimed at android right now, next to iOS, and android only keeps growing stronger and more diverse. Would be cool if it were to become a reality, maybe someone would figure out how to flash android onto it. Im not big on Microsoft right now though.
[Xperia Play General] sufy1000:
If you sell the Xperia Play you will regret it ! especially if you hate gaming on a touchscreen.
[Xperia Play General] mustbepbs:
My only complaint is the crap ass touch screen. Typing is an absolute nightmare as it doesn't let me type fast at all without missing many strokes. Landscape or portrait. I've tried stock keyboard, slideit, and SwiftKey. All the same.
[Xperia Play General] sufy1000:
It's not that bad. Gets the job done.

For me personally I haven't had any problems with the touchscreen. It's very responsive.
[Xperia Play General] solomon4400:
Yo we should form a group(handy men and devs), come up with our own play 2 and present it to Sony.

I know my imagination is big but honestly I had this thing since it came out in Canada and I can't picture myself with any other phone!!!!
[Xperia Play General] DD-Ripper:
Looooool.....the devs here can make the OS for it...but who will create the Hardware..? I mean the Screen, CPU, GPU, RAM, Design...etc..hahahHAhaha..! People are not engineers here :D :p

You made my day..! :D :D :D

Sent from my GT-i9100 equipped with Grenade Launcher and Remote Explosives :D
[Xperia Play General] solomon4400:
like I said bro I have a big imagination I may have made your day but I doubt you even made the 2nd grade if you can't read and comprehend
[Xperia Play General] mustbepbs:
... Huh?
[Xperia Play General] solomon4400:
Nvm
[Xperia Play General] kelvenha55:
All we would need to make our own phone is a design of the phone( the looks and what not) patent it, take it to china to make a prototype for cheap. Then contract the CPU ram and all hardware from third party groups in china (which phone companies are doing ) and there u go. Prototype will cost like 1000-2000US then can be mass produced for like $50-$100 each at like I'm guessing 100,000 copies minimum.
[Xperia Play General] sufy1000:
Same here I can't picture myself also with another smartphone that doesn't have a gamepad.
[Xperia Play General] bangawasawa:
I must agree. I would not call it crap, I'd say it's decent.

But I too have had many problems typing fluidly on it.

I especially hate how I often type "i" instead of "o".

I hate to admit it here, but iPhone 4's touch screen is miles better for typing even with its smaller size.
[Xperia Play General] - Swift -:
This might mean something for the future!

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/item/27986-sony-appoints-kazuo-hirai-a

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- Swift -, formerly known as IrishStuff09
[Xperia Play General] swebosdev:
The long and short of it is most of us will still be using our plays in some form or another 5 years from now

Even if its only to just play some super mario while sitting on the crapper.

Not many devices have that protential longevity
[Xperia Play General] Miles Wolf:
+1

Just take a look to all the mobiles I have had:

- Nokia 3330, wich was a revision of the famous 3310 but with the game "Space Impact" preinstalled.

- Nokia 3300, with the look of a portable console, you can play java games more comfortably. It played MP3 music too! xD

- Nokia N-Gage, the first real attempt to mix a console and a phone.

- Nokia N81 8GB, the second gaming phone form Nokia. On top of the screen there are two action buttons so you can play with it as a mini console when you have it in horizontal position. It was great to play GameBoy Advance games on it.

- Xperia Play. What can I say about it that you don't already know? ;) In my opinion it's a very very good mobile. Its screen, its well made gaming controls, Android... There are some things I would like to be better (CPU, more slim look...) but I still love it.

I'm sure that a lot of super-powerfull phones will appear these years, but I won't change my Xperia Play until I see another one with gaming controls. Hum! ù__ú

PD: yes, I am a Sonic fan. xD
[Xperia Play General] VergiL09:
The Xperia Play is my first phone with gaming buttons, and now I also can't imagine having a phone a gamepad. We really need a successor for the Xperia Play, since those third party detachable gamepads for other android devices are not good enough in my opinion (I prefer built-in)
[Xperia Play General] Strife182:
What? 5 years?? I highly highly doubt that because it would mean you will have to stick with a 5 year obsolete phone. Remember it won't have anymore updates since it's not getting ICS, Sony basically killed the smartphone part of this device with that. The gaming part will remain a little bit more thanks to the gamepad and it's ability to run retro emulators but what if next year phones can run psp, ps2, dreamcast emulators?

Who will stick with a gaming smartphone that long when the smartphone part will be dead and the gaming part obsolete?
[Xperia Play General] solomon4400:
I think he meant as a secondary device just to run emus
[Xperia Play General] swebosdev:
yes that is what i mean, personally when i replace an aging device, i pass it down to a family member or i keep it. i never throw old tech in the trash
[Xperia Play General] bangawasawa:
I think you're being over-enthusiastic about advances in mobile technology. Do you know how much processing power would be needed to run a DC or PS2 emulator? What I mean to say is that I doubt it.
[Xperia Play General] HumveeRuin:
But the Xperia Play is like a psp controller, we like the shoulder buttons (and the analog pads?)
[Xperia Play General] Strife182:
Yeah you're right, we might wait 2 - 3 years for those emulators to run in smartphones. Keeping an xperia play just for the emulators seems like a bad investment in my opinion, support for this device has its days counted and it won't take too long before most game developers move to full ICS, JB or whatever new Android update is released. I was hoping for this to have the same fate as an IPhone 3GS where it's tech is outdated but it's still being supported thanks to the iOS updates, instead it's going the IPhone 3G route where it will just be a glorified emulator phone.
[Xperia Play General] abstractbeats:
obsolete

Meh. I'm perfectly okay with the idea of using this phone, as a phone, for 5 years. People keep their phones if they like them, I know that's a shocking concept.

It will still emulate the game systems it emulates, go on the internet, play music and some vids and take calls. Handy to have that all in a pocket and all in one. If some interesting new technology comes out that trumps that, or a pocketable Vita phone, then I'll be excited and get that. But that's not yet. Plus we can flash ICS roms thanks to XDA if our bootloaders are unlocked and still keep some level of tactile gaming, which no other phone offers.

My friend has a Samsung S3 and it is lovely, but would I watch enough video on that nice screen to enter into a contract and pay 3 times more a month for my telephony and data to fund it? No. I'd rather spend the money on more fun things instead, particularly as I just happen to like the Play more.
[Xperia Play General] UndisputedGuy:
What ARE the benefits of more cores???
[Xperia Play General] swebosdev:
Bigger epeen
[Xperia Play General] ChaosDimension:
I think with the PSVita not doing so well, Sony doesn't care much about its PSPlay platform.
[Xperia Play General] johnylim:
Just hope Sony responded and hear us. Give us latest gingerbread update and quickly boost Playstation Suite/mobile game development. We only need real "Playstation" xperience, because, this is the main point which make us buying this phone
[Xperia Play General] WebNavigator77:
For me xperia play was my dream come true. One pocket device just to make phone calls, listen music, see movies, navigate on web, and finally play my favorite old games like a gamer should play. With physical controls.

For me, the minus of xperia play is the lack of hdmi connection.

For me, this phone will last for ages.
[Xperia Play General] UndisputedGuy:
Epeen?
[Xperia Play General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Err.... Phones can already handle DC games. People are already working on them. They have been for the past 2 yrs. Also it don't need that much processing power. The graphics were never all that great. And it was a low bit device. I think 128bit? PS2 is a different thing all together. The games are just too big. But DC is possible. Just be ready to install a HUGE INSANELY HUGE amount of data to your SD. If I remember there was a version made but it was unstable. So the dev gave up and released his DCEmu SCode onto git.
[Xperia Play General] BinaryXeroMedia:
I agree. Sony (E) promised us the PlayStation suite which we never got. I managed ti use the (American version?) to download wipeout. The most hardest race game ever. But just as I wanted to dl another game (medievil) and (python filter?) I cant remember they made it so it wouldn't work in the UK. Why I don't know. I am starting to feel more and more like they used the play to scam people of their hard earned cash. Make a load of promises get people to buy then give the middle finger and say fuuuuu we got you money we lied mwhahahaha. But I'm happy I got my arc s. Ray an play. And my nexus s. The only game I don't play with control is Order and chaos not because of the pad but Gameloft making the controls hard to use in dungeons.
[Xperia Play General] Sythedragon:
PS2 games, just look at GTA 3 (Which runs on the Play) (Obviously it's not the PS2 version or emulated)

PS Vita runs the same type of CPU's as the Galaxy S3 Quad core (As in an ARM quadcore)
[Xperia Play General] LordBattleBeard:
GTA 3 is ported and so shouldn't be used as a direct comparison of how PS2 games could run on smartphones. Without porting a game to run natively on the system, it has to emulate the original system which requires at least 10x the original processing power to do so.

What with advances in technology, I could see smartphones being able to emulate Dreamcast and DS systems efficiently, in a year or two. In fact I think the DS could be emulated efficiently on high-end phones now if they were coded properly to take advantage of the GPU, but don't see it happening for some time because of legal issues (you can still buy DS games on the high-street).

I don't personally see proper PS2 emulation coming for at least another 5 years, and even then would take many more years of development to make it stable with the huge game library. This is easy enough know just by looking at how PS2 emulation on desktop PCs, which are far more capable than smartphones, isn't particularly stable yet with much support for games. At least in 5 years time, micro storage could have evolved further to allow us to store more than 4 PS2 games without running out of memory, and at an affordable price.
[Xperia Play General] mehdi.moha:
i'm playing with my xperia play more that my PSVITA :good:, i hope someday sony week up from foolish sleep and make the powerful xperia play 2 , that can support psp games , even ps2 , who knows...

*but about current xperia play , i think that is our right to have update , not ICS ? ok , even a 2.3.7 or 2.3.9 with an updaate on PS suite and game can make us happy .

* sony said that they care about our satisfaction , so they canceled ICS ...

beside , what is next step to to make us satisfy ??? update ? new PS suite ? promised games ? answer us sony ??:mad:

i'm sorry guys , i can remember that last year , i've downloaded a game play of Devil May Cry on xperia play ( live ) , does anybody knows any news about that ?
[Xperia Play General] jamesc760:
Absolutely. Our xperia play phone is considered to have bombed. Not enough people bought it due probably to sony's indifference in marketing and the phone's underwhelming hardware.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great phone and I love mine. But it's been deliberately obsoleted by the manufacturer since its debut.
[Xperia Play General] Timbob11:
Modern Combat 4 has support for Xperia Play controls.
[Xperia Play General] mmm273:
if someone try playing games on our XP, then never play games on touchscreen... no matter graphics, no matter HW ... games run best on XP...
[Xperia Play General] legacygt777:
play me on mortal or street fighter and i'll kick ur butt....lol
[Xperia Play General] Thaevil0ne:
Yet another one.

Best phone ever, just bought my 2nd play.

(First one is almost 2 years old now, and I dropped it has a small scratch in the screen.)

Before the play I used to use Nokia N-gage.

Gamepad > Anything else.
[Xperia Play General] TLRtheory:
Fun fact... I let all the steroid phone hype tempt me into a new phone.

Fun fact #2... I'm extremely close to selling it and going back to my Xperia Play.

All these processor cores and brag-worthy specs... doesn't seem like it's worth much more than **** measuring. I already had a completely fluid experience with my Xperia Play... so all I really did was sacrifice the best implementation of physical controls ever featured in a smartphone -_-

I'm just sayin'... new guys close to being sold. I'd be better off using my upgrade to pocket some cash and swapping out my black R800a for a white one.
[Xperia Play General] sufy1000:
Agreed man! :highfive:
[Xperia Play General] VergiL09:
I agree on this, I tried my friends' One X and Galaxy S3, I didn't care about the graphics, the controls on the touchscreen are simply no match for hardware controls.

Even though the XPlay only has a single core cpu the UI experience is very smooth. Many people in our country own dual-core and quad-core smartphones but only use them for SMS, Calls, and casual gaming LOL
[Xperia Play General] DD-Ripper:
Really..?

Anyways those games don't support my Galaxy S2 officially..:/

So try me on Modern Combat 4..it will be me kicking ur butt. Lol..xD
[Xperia Play General] powerfull777:
I must say the xperia play is an exceptional phone best for gaming the only downside to me is that I like a wider screen but I use my play as a psp(apart from its awesome) the play is amazing for gaming but we WILL need to make an amazing UI to seperate it and to prove its significants.

Would someone be willing to join me on this ?
[Xperia Play General] DD-Ripper:
Agree...But its hardware needs to be updated in order to run the latest HD games without lags or issues.

If it had at least a dual core CPU...then it would still be the king of gaming phones this year too..
[Xperia Play General] legacygt777:
street fighter 4 on-live is great on my play and you can play it too. nba jam is another game i'd kick your on screen controls. my brother has the samsung g 3 and we've actually versed on nba jam and he gets totally schooled. my brother also is on-live and has inconsistent tries pulling of combos and fireballs on street fighter. it's not even a comparison.

as far as modern combat, yeah you'd kick my butt. i don't play 1st persons that well. i'm sure the guy on xperia gamer would put a great match on you on his play :)
[Xperia Play General] CyberScopes:
Or me.

:D

/==(CyberScopes)==\
[Xperia Play General] DD-Ripper:
I'm on 4th prestige in Modern combat 4..so I will be a challenge for anyone...;)

Yeah..I heard about onlive ...but problem is I don't have a credit card to buy those games and their price rates are freakingly high...!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] singh_dd93:
Can someone help me in extracting Xperia S system from system.sin

I get page size error when ever I tried to extract it using ftf extractor.

I have tried 2048,4096,8192 but always get page size error.

Some one plz tell me what to do???

Thanks
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] 0nyx7:
hey, i'm on it!

you need SIN2IMG, i can't provide you a link just google it :)

much luck!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Bin4ry:
Just download my prerooted image and mount it as ext4 to a folder of your choice -> easy ;)

Regards
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] 0nyx7:
Hey Bin4ry i just registered myself to xda just to thank you!

Thank you for helping us to get root access on a fuc**** locked bootloader :D

Danke