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[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
You do realize Sega is completely out of h/w market & they are in really terrible shape atm right? Sega's overall content isn't strong as it used to be anymore either...

I'm not saying Nexus 7 will be terrible device (for $200... I can even forgive Tegra 3's flaws).... & I think it will have fantastic support...

But Nexus device in general...

1. Aren't very good to Casuals

2. Typically released to be the "standard" for Android devices ... and of course, expose other Android devices...

But that $200 price.. is going to force other OEMs to either just drop out of Android tablet scene or force OEMs to just create cheap tablets. The biggest question will be how Samsung will handle this situation...

Samsung is by far the biggest contributor to Android...

I seriously do not think Samsung will create a "Kai" tablet & considering their disappointment in Android tablet sales in general.... they can just focus on smartphone sector (like LG & HTC have already decided to do).
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
So, will Google configure this thing so it uses the screen like the Galaxy Tab 2 7" and Excite 7.7, or like the Galaxy Tab 7.7? I wrote a blog post about this (http://www.thetechchat.com/2012/06/20/android-tablets-size-matters-10-1-vs-7/), but in a nutshell the Galaxy Tab 7.7 runs at an apparent resolution more like the 10.1" tablets, while the other two run with a lower apparent resolution. They show less on the screen, some apps run in a kind of mixed phone/tablet mode (like the stock email app), and some tablet apps don't seem to want to install (maybe they're confused about what the device actually is).

Since the Excite 7.7 and Galaxy Tab 7.7 have pretty much identical screens (7.7" AMOLED) running at 1280X800 (so, 196PPI), clearly they can be tweaked one way or the other. Personally, I prefer more stuff showing even if it's smaller, but perhaps screen elements will be marginally sharper the other way around (more pixels used to show an individual element).

It might seem like a small thing, but in practice it's made a pretty big difference.
[Nexus 7 General] smachine:
I personally swear by the nexus phones. They werent big sellers in the states because they were not sold everywhere and hard to buy compared to an iphone/galaxy s/droid phones. The GSM i9250 galaxy nexus is an amazing phone but it is not in stores so most common people have no idea it exists. They come with all the latest features (NFC, beam, 720p res etc) and simply run the smoothest. Dont have to deal with rooting and installing roms to get the best performance and no bloatware that comes preinstalled. The stock ICS UI is beautiful as is on the primes while the touchwize/blur/etc make android look like a me too iOS product.
[Nexus 7 General] JeanEatsWorld:
nvflash coming soon?

does someone tought that maybe this tab will bring with it more support from nvidia..? something like nvflash?? i guess that developers will not be happy if this tab will be half-locked like the prime.. so.. if the history is not liar..and like all the other nexus, this tab will become the next developing point, we are going to see something that MUST CHANGE IN THE NVIDIA POLITICS..

Hope that my english is enought to let you understand what i mean... :rolleyes:
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
There's also the issue of, e.g., how many widgets fit on a home screen, how much usable space there is when the keyboard is displayed, etc. That's significantly less on the Excite 7.7 vs. the Galaxy Tab 7.7.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>There's also the issue of, e.g., how many widgets fit on a home screen

Yes, I don't mean to say that 7" is best for everything, because it clearly isn't. I believe that 10" form will be more popular for its larger area and thus more versatile use. I view the 7" as more of a complementary/auxiliary unit, and an on-the-go device.

The issue you raise--how large should screen elements be--is another matter I've touched on elsewhere, viz. it's an inherent limitation of the direct-touch paradigm used in current touch-OS'es, due to size of one's fingers. If we can move that to an indirect-touch model, say, by working with controls on a keyboard cover aka "input panel", then such limitation would be obviated. There are pros and cons to this.
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
I think you're missing my point. The Excite and Galaxy Tab 7.7 are the same physical size but different apparent resolutions. Both are usable, and so I'm guessing would be a 7". So, it's possible to configure a smaller tablet differently.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>The Excite and Galaxy Tab 7.7 are the same physical size but different apparent resolutions. Both are usable, and so I'm guessing would be a 7". So, it's possible to configure a smaller tablet differently.

Please refer to my first response, which is that it doesn't matter wrt the Nexus 7. It's a reference device, and ISVs will tailor their apps to fit that, not some other 7" that may be configured differently. However screen elements look like on the Nexus will be the standard on the 7" form.

Having said this, then it may be a good idea for Google to introduce a Nexus 10 as well.
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
We're going in circles here. I was presenting the rhetorical question: I wonder how Google will configure the Nexus, like Samsung did their 7.7, or like Toshiba did THEIR 7.7? Let me say, I hope they do as Samsung did, because I would rather have a higher apparent resolution and thus more items on the screen. Because, and I suppose this is my remaining point, it's not just about the apps but about how much information can be placed on the home screen, etc.
[Nexus 7 General] rcatron:
I am concerned.

What concerns me is Asus' involvement. I have been in the IT industry for 20 years now, and Asus' tablets have to be one of the worst developments, launches, actual product, and support I have ever seen. It really couldn't be any worse.

They must have made a heckuva a deal with Google...
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>I was presenting the rhetorical question: I wonder how Google will configure the Nexus, like Samsung did their 7.7, or like Toshiba did THEIR 7.7?

The notion of reference device extends to tablet vendors as well as ISVs. Once such a ref device exists, then it's up to the vendor to align their hardware (insofar as screen density is concerned) to match that of the ref device. So, it's not a matter of the Nexus being configured like another, but a matter of the other tablets (re)configuring their UI to match that of the Nexus.

It's not a rhetorical issue, because fragmentation--in multiple aspects including UI--is a real problem for Android. Having a ref dev will ameliorate the problem.

>What concerns me is Asus' involvement. I have been in the IT industry for 20 years now, and Asus' tablets have to be one of the worst developments, launches, actual product, and support I have ever seen. It really couldn't be any worse.

Not to make light of the issues presented in this forum, but there's a tendency to over-generalize--and melodramatize--especially when one has a personal stake. I think it's also made worse by the fact that official Asus representation exists here. That's the downside of having online support, that the complaints get much louder when there's an ear to bend.

I think the Prime's travails were a perfect storm of beta software meeting beta hardware, meeting beta production process. There were some bad decisions, such as launching the tablet with Honeycomb, then upgrading it to ICS to "live" devices, and before ICS was fully baked. No other vendor attempted such. But overall, I don't see Asus to be any better or worse than the next Android vendor.

Yes, I can imagine it to be much worse. Imagine the Prime situation with Acer's or Toshiba's level of support, which is to say, about zero.

In the final analysis, one should not rely on brand as the primary criterion of purchase, when other more concrete sources of info are available. A brand is a shortcut to decision-making, not a sole resource. You should not buy an Asus tab because it's from Asus, but because reviews and peer feedback says that it's good (or bad) product.
[Nexus 7 General] leppie:
Nexus devices are not 'hard' locked. In most cases, you do 'fastboot oem-unlock' or similar and you can do whatever you want.
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
I'm not ignoring Nexus 7's overall appeal due to $199 price tag. Again, I agree with everyone that it's going to be Android best seller in tablet market...

However, again... this tablet is designed to compete against Amazon Kindle & Nook Tablet. Is that what Android tablet market scene really needs? Will 3 to 4 million in sales be enough???

Also, by the latest development by OEMs.... these "low" price tablets are based on Nvidia's Kai platform. Will Samsung jump ship to "Kai"?? I really don't think so.... LG & HTC have already dropped out of Android tablet market. Hardly anything from Lenovo & Sony.......

That basically leaves Acer & Asus (to a degree.. Toshiba too)...

I for one don't have a lot of faith in either of these OEMs to continue what Nexus 7 will achieve/bolster Android tablet market scene.
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Dude, mostly you provide really good analysis and stuff, but sometimes you can be a bit obtuse. :laugh:

Seriously, you're right about reference devices and etc. However, that's entirely tangential to my post.

I was JUST saying: I hope they configure the Nexus to display more information, like Samsung did as opposed to how Toshiba did. Like, wow, the Nexus will be more useful if it shows more information on screen. That's it--nothing deeper than that.

Although at the risk of extending the tangent: to the extent that the Nexus becomes a reference (i.e., a standard), then I doubly hope they opt for a higher apparent resolution so that other smaller device makers will follow suit.

My point is that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" and Excite 7.7 are MUCH less useful because they can show a good deal less information on the screen. Perhaps on a 7" screen the interface of a 10.1" tablet would become a bit compressed, but maybe there's a happy medium.
[Nexus 7 General] beekay201:
A perfectly working "multi-function bootloader". Unlock. Relock. *bliss*

Sent from my i9250
[Nexus 7 General] hairdewx:
$200?

If it has an SD Card port and HDMI out I am a day-1 purchaser :)

EDIT*

Now I am wondering what Amazon has in store for the Kindle Fire 2...
[Nexus 7 General] qubz:
Man,it's not even released yet.. I got myself a new iPad the other day and yeh the res is great, but google apps on my prime with the 16:9 10 inch screen are a total win. I'm hanging to see what io brings for jelly. Give it time, you won't regret it that much.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>I'm worried that this tablet won't have an expansion slot for microSD

I think some are reading too much into the rumor. I don't see wifi being mentioned, but am pretty sure it'll come with the tablet. Probably not dual-band, sadly. We'll know tomorrow. Heck, maybe it's just a really late April Fools gag, eh? Haha, imagine the uproar if all this Nexus stuff was a PR stunt. Blood will run in the street!

>this tablet is designed to compete against Amazon Kindle & Nook Tablet. Is that what Android tablet market scene really needs? Will 3 to 4 million in sales be enough?

Disagree with the assertion; the first question is obvious (yes, it's really needed); the second question is rhetorical.

>I was JUST saying: I hope they configure the Nexus to display more information...That's it--nothing deeper than that.

In discussions, one point can lead to another. Tangential or not, it's useful to highlight the implications of a reference device, perhaps not to you, but to some other who may think of the Nexus 7 as being just another tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
In related matter: Congrats to Infinity fans. Transformer Infinity now has its own forum.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1661
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
good

one down, 2 more to go(windows8 tabs and nexus tab)..lol

we need things focused solely on Prime. Prime owners are special. we've been through alot ;) lol
[Nexus 7 General] farplaner:
I'm excited about this... I'm sure Google will make the OS work great on this tablet. In return I'm sure the TP and TF300T firmware would be vastly improved as well.

I'm hoping this means no more laggy browsers finally!
[Nexus 7 General] Warren_Orange:
I'm all over this. Except I've never had a 7" tab before, only 9.7".

I'm wondering if I will miss the real estate.

Either way my credit card is ready for the order.
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
I don't have the GT 7.7 to take screenshots on, but your point about it being HC and not ICS is interesting. However, imagine it this way: take your 10.1" tablet home screen with X rows of widgets, and now imagine the same home screen on a 7.7" screen. That's the GT 7.7. Now, imagine instead losing (1 or 2) rows of icons and equivalent space for widgets. That's the Excite 7.7.

If it's an ICS vs. HC thing, then will be interesting to see what the GT 7.7 looks like when it's updated to ICS. I imagine those folks won't be too happy when all of a sudden they have less room to work with and everything on the screen is larger.

An example of an app working differently is the stock email app. On the Excite 7.7, when you click on an email you're taken to the full-page view automatically. You can't click on emails in the list and see them displayed in a pane to the right. That's a bummer--you lose the ability to click around the email list to do triage. It's a heck of a lot less efficient.

We'll find out soon enough how it'll work. I'm just disappointed, because it really does impact the experience.
[Nexus 7 General] Solar.Plexus:
I just hope Asus doesn't actually undercut the Nexus 7 with their MeMO 370T. I was looking forward to a little more quality device with the MeMO 370T, not the other way around.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>I just hope Asus doesn't actually undercut the Nexus 7 with their MeMO 370T. I was looking forward to a little more quality device with the MeMO 370T, not the other way around.

The more toys, the better. If the rumored specs stand, Nexus 7 will raise the bar, just as the iPad3 did. After Nexus, 7" tabs will need to have 1280x800, Teg3 or equivalent, and $200 less. And no cut-down OS like the Kindle Fire.

So yes, I hope Asus will come out with a better/cheaper 7", and hopefully a 10" companion. Ditto for Acer. Acer A110 looks DOA since it's worse than the Nexus in every way, but A210 is a good candidate depending on price.

I'm chuckling to myself as I'm typing this out, because all these are just mere details. They seem so...trivial. Pedantic. They're beside the point, which is what a 7" tablet can do for us. It should be more than just a tech toy.

So, I'm musing, what can a 7" tablet do for me? I don't have a good answer. Sure, there's the usual e-reading, browsing, social, etc. Stuff that I'm already doing on other devices. That's the problem I see for tablets, it has yet no "killer use" (I'm avoiding "killer app" because it doesn't need to be an app per se). There's no raison d'etre.

More than the pedestrian specs war, I think the tablet as a computing device will be legitimized once we identify those next-gen, must-have uses. Because right now the tablet is still in the gutter of being a simple entertainment device, wherein vendors hawk their wares and services for us to consume. It's depressing to hear of the Kindle Fire being touted for its "content ecosystem." Is our computing future doomed to be kiosks for online merchants?

I suppose I'm just not a very good consumer.
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
For me, it's not WHAT a tablet does, but HOW it does them. Light, portable, easy to use in any posture, simple touch-enabled interface, instant-on, long battery life, long standby battery life (always ready), etc. A good notebook will do all the same things a tablet can do, but not as handily or as readily.

Pulling out my notebook to check email or do a quick search is a pain. Grabbing my tablet isn't. And my phone is the real loser here--I use it but a fraction as much since getting a tablet, and have zero interest in upgrading.
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/google-tablet-asus/

I guess we'll find out...

But it seems that's how Asus is certainly approaching it...
[Nexus 7 General] Einride:
And I take it that on the GT 7.7 you get the dual-pane view in the email app? I gotta say, I was under the impression that on a display like a 7" and that high resolution you'd at least get the "tablet" version of apps. E.g. double panes/fragments in settings, when reading emails etc...

Edit: After looking at some videos of the Excite 7.7 and the app drawer, settings menu, etc, I can't say I get that same cramped feeling you're describing? You get the nice dual-pane settings/preferences screens. The app drawer shows less icons than a 10" tablet with the same resolution, but it's still slightly more than the Galaxy Nexus at least. Hopefully the Nexus 7 won't be much different from the Excite.
[Nexus 7 General] TalynOne:
If it has the same I/O performance as Asus's other recent offerings then no thanks.
[Nexus 7 General] Hawke84:
just saw this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18609969
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-shows-its-face-ahead-of-todays-announcement/

Wow.. that thing is ugly.. Look at the huge bezel around the screen...

They really did cut a lot of corner .....

And the biggest question... & I quote from the article..

"While it's nice to finally put a face to the name, this image raises some questions, like why does it have a phone interface? Surely Google wouldn't forsake its own tablet-optimized UI... would it?"

Edit: another image.. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-25-dollar-credit/

again... PHONE UI.....

WTF?? Clearly going after Amazon & Nook Tablet.... & better yet... PHONE UI... as in, blown up PHONE APPs....
[Nexus 7 General] s1lenz:
Google unveils Asus tablet at I/O... there's a bit of nerd irony for you...
[Nexus 7 General] texstar:
199 usd shipping mid July.
[Nexus 7 General] stantang:
see the full spec here: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_16gb

no SD slot...

$249 for 16GB
[Nexus 7 General] omac_ranger:
Haha! Good one!
[Nexus 7 General] funkyblue04:
Why no sdslot. Perfect device ruined again. Not everyone wants to stream everything. 16gb and is not enough on a tablet. Ffs Google.

http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7/specs
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
Already knew about the spec (well mostly... so, that's nothing new).

But overall, extremely disappointed by Nexus 7....

Jellybean & Google Now... hmm.. webOS anyone (granted.. it is a feature i like).

The design of Nexus 7 is ugly as well... look at the huge bezel on top and bottom....

But yea... Nexus 7 using Phone UI.... the whole demonstration was based on portrait mode (not landscape) is disappointing. Of course, it'll get switched to tablet UI quickly but Google choosing PHONE UI is extremely disappointing.

Oh well, time to play with Jellybean SDK once I get home.
[Nexus 7 General] 10010110:
Yeah, this thing is going to take a lot of the Kindle Fire market share away, and had they added a micro sd slot it would be perfect. Price point is great.

With out that though, prolly stick with a 10" tab w/ 32Gb+ for now.
[Nexus 7 General] MrGarak:
Hmm, looks like I'll have to turn to eBay if I want one? Shame they only ship it to so few countries.
[Nexus 7 General] solidmac:
The UI is the same as in the phone... no big clock on the bottom or quick power access.. I guess i will leave it up to the devs
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
Just realized that Google Chrome has left the beta tag...
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Yep, not sure how I feel about the UI at all. But, I ordered one anyways. I mean, it's $249 for 16GB, right? If the screen's decent enough for ebook reading, and it plays Tegra games, that's like an impulse purchase.
[Nexus 7 General] todorcim:
Where can i order one of these bad boys?
[Nexus 7 General] texstar:
It is showing in the play store now for US shoppers.

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_8gb
[Nexus 7 General] killermojo:
Aren't you fellas a little wary with asus making the hardware? I'm certainly not going anywhere near early adopter again if asus is anywhere in sight.
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Not at all concerned, because there's another layer of quality control--Google. They need this thing to be well done, and I'm sure they've been involved every step of the way. Also, I have no doubt that Google's been willing to spend some money making sure the right components are sourced, etc.

I'm actually more excited about this than I was previously. Google is taking this more seriously than I expected (e.mote should chime in here), and just the fact that it has an apparently nice IPS panel is very encouraging.
[Nexus 7 General] jyan_osu:
I'm not ordering one, but no.. I've gone through ups and downs with every single company big and small.. Some bigger than others. One thing isn't going to turn me off a company.. multiple items do though..

ASUS hasn't been one that has disappointed me multiple times. I have plenty of other products they've produced that are working solid.
[Nexus 7 General] UndisputedGuy:
Surely $199 is too cheap? Even with a smaller screen and storage, it has everything the transformer 300 has, bar the dock. The transformer 300 cost me £400! This is less than half!
[Nexus 7 General] todorcim:
Awesome thanks :)
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
Not amazed by the overall spec. Most were already leaked so hardly any surprise.. including the price.

Def. impressed by IPS display though...

But again, Nexus 7 is using Phone UI...

Google current that was demoed for Nexus 7 is designed for NEXUS 7...

(Btw, I think this device will sell extremely well)...

Project Butter & Improved Siri (Google Now + a lot of features from webOS)....

I didn't see much from Google I/O that I liked. Phone UI as the default UI in Nexus 7 is the biggest annoyance....
[Nexus 7 General] Jordanooo:
Does it have a micro sd slot?
[Nexus 7 General] Rytkonen:
Most importantly, Nexus 7 will probably run butter smooth even on web browsing unlike the Prime.
[Nexus 7 General] NeoMagus:
Looks good but im not buying

Can't wait to see what issues people find with this... Im totally pro-Nexus and it does look good but theres no way I'd ever buy another ASUS product after my 201 and dealing with the company still can't believe Google went with them.. just my opinion

No. Don't believe any other Nexus device had one either
[Nexus 7 General] thekillingtree:
i am pretty pumped for this. i still have my hp touchpad w/cm9 on it but i have a feeling this will work out much better. i have to try hard (put movies/shows on it) to even hit 8gb on my 32gb version. the one thing i'm worried about is how much i'm going to miss those extra 3 inches (lol). the one thing i do know is that as much as i love my touchpad, it's too heavy and too big for practical use. after reading/playing on it for 1 1/2 hours my wrist hurts from holding it. it's nice for viewing netflix, but oh well.
[Nexus 7 General] hairdewx:
Well no Micro SD slot has me now looking forward to what the Kindle Fire 2 has ;)
[Nexus 7 General] snapplex:
The only way I'm buying this tablet is if Google takes over the customer support; specifically RMAs.

However it does look nice!
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
Hands on Videos of Nexus 7 & Unboxing

This is actually a very nice tablet. it has a really good display and everything moves really fast on it. as far as UI, swiping, opening up apps etc.. very portable for on the go.

check out these videos. I will be getting one. probably will preorder on Friday ;)

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[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
I take it you're looking at it live? If so, a question: when you say it's a good display, how are the whites? Like, are they white, or bluish, or yellowish, or greenish? That seems to be difficult for Android tablet makers to get right lately.

And, contrast? Like, black text on a white background?
[Nexus 7 General] Solar.Plexus:
I'm patiently waiting for the MeMO 370T. Still.