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[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
Sorry but that's a poor excuse.

Microsoft can update tens of millions of computers on a daily basis.

With service packs the file sizes are comparable.

Motorola is just a sham.

Every day I look forward to when my contract allows me to dump them forever.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] BakaPhoenix:
Are you seriusly comparing motorola and microsoft?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
No, I am comparing the ability of a large global organisation to distribute software in 2012.

---------- Post added at 05:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:20 PM ----------

Tossers just sent me this:

"Dear Motorola RAZR/RAZR MAXX user,

Thanks for volunteering for our soak test of the ICS software for the Motorola RAZR/RAZR MAXX. Unfortunately, we are not going to be able to push the software to your phone at this time. Your device needs a variation of the software currently being tested, and that variation is not yet approved.

We will certainly include you when testing for your software is conducted.

We apologize for the error that caused your RAZR/RAZR Maxx to be included in this round of testing. We greatly appreciate the time you have dedicated, and we regret any disappointment this may cause. We ask for volunteers for these tests because we know things don't always go smoothly -- your efforts help us build a better experience for all users.

We will release you from the soak community for the duration of the current test and contact you when testing begins for your device. Please remember to keep this and all Motorola Feedback Network communications confidential. "

BTW, I'm on 651.176.26.XT910.Retail.en.EU
[Motorola Droid RAZR] krissto:
And how about NonEFIGSRetail ROM? Does it matters with ICS upgrade?

I am from Poland and do not have update notification.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
no. I had nonefigsretail and I flashed this one http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1747800

works perfect. I dont understand why u guys are nagging so ****ing much when the official ICS is already out? If u dont know how to flash - learn. If u dont want to learn then wait and stop nagging
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pajo985:
this is silly..

I know from the first hand that Motorola has server capacities which can cover several times larger user base than it is as the moment

and ICS update is not in Moto hands for a good few weeks now - theirs job was done around 20.6. (for all regions)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mataraty:
Official ICS :confused:

It is just another leak, if this build of June 9 is official why is it not released yet to the mainstream? It is a nice build and runs smooth in a way, but it is not the official one yet. It could be, but also could be another version number like .34 of .35

Since the official is not released yet, stop saying that the .33 is the official one since it clearly is not sure it will be.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
It is official whether u like it or not. wasn't .211 suppose to be a leak for CDMA to? oh look it was the official ICS! well u can still wait for moto to release "the official" ics I hope u wait forever
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bric10:
Eh, no...

I payed good money for a Razr 7 months ago, expecting that Motorola would make good on their promise of the device receiving ICS early in q1...

If I what I wanted was an online self instructive course in software for smartphones I would have bought that instead.

Sendt fra min XT910 med Tapatalk2
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
Well go ahead, no one is forcing you for anything. You can wait until christmas or even next year till you get your ICS...best of luck.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bric10:
Thx...

Sendt fra min XT910 med Tapatalk2
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mataraty:
Perhaps I did not say it correctly, but I thought I did say could be.

Could be as in it can be the official one, but we will not know it for sure until the official on is released.

So if I like it or not, without the release we can't be sure it will be. Also .211 was released in Q2 and .33 is delayed so you can't compare that fact (yet).
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
You do know that Microsoft updates wp7 in batches right? Not everyone receives the updates together.. I know because I'm an ex wp7 user..

Sent from my ICS Razr XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
The official is not out for many regions. Some requires the official one because of the language supported in them. Like me for example.

Please respect others.

Sent from my ICS Razr XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] andresconde00:
I have the european version but im in colombia when will i have the update? What.can i do??
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
What official promise was that?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tooyoung:
since I just got my razr maxx on Wednesday with stock ICS, in Germany

the system version reads

"672.180.33.XT910.Retail.en.EU"
[Motorola Droid RAZR] zaneshew:
Still 2.3.6 in Bulgaria , no ICS Update at this moment :eek:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bric10:
Don't get me wrong.

I am very fond of my Razr and think you guys at Motorola has made a brilliant phone, but you did announce on both your homepage and in all the media in dec/Jan that the device would be one of the first to recieve ICS and that it would do so early in q1.. Didn't happen did it?

And we're not talking about something depending on the wind, tidal water or cycles of the moon.

When ICS gets ready for Razr is solely a matter of the time and resources (=money) Motorola has been willing to use on the product.

I don't know how large that commitment has been, but clearly not large enough.

Sendt fra min XT910 med Tapatalk2
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
good to know then, it is the official ICS :victory:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Newbieshwa:
I got ICS for the Razr XT910 through OTA
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Alfonso13:
In Serbia is the same.... no update !!!!

I'm still under 2.3.5.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Ajoli:
What country did you get the ota in?

Sent from my XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
I'll assume there's some language barrier here, since I am not Motorola, nor a representative thereof.

But as for this "promise", please link me to any official statement from Motorola that they promised ICS for the Razr in Q1, 2012.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] milesg:
Why is the word "promise" in quotes, when it doesn't appear in the post you were replying to?

The RAZR was launched in the shadow of the Galaxy Nexus, and clearly the press and customers were asking about the availability of ICS on the RAZR.

Motorola told at least some members of the press that ICS would be arriving in Q1, 2012:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2132011/motorola-razr-android-ice-cream-sandwich

Or did they? They kept it nice and vague and responded to questions about ICS with a response saying there would be an OS upgrade in Q1 2012... little did we know that would be a small patch to Gingerbread :rolleyes:

It's Q3 now and there is still no official release for most European RAZR users. Great device, ****ty support, and the locked bootloader (on a SIM-free device not supplied by a network) just makes their lack of progress even more of a pain.

Motorola won't be getting any more of my money. They remind me a lot of Nokia circa 2007 - a few good guys and good ideas, being crushed by everyone else around them. I can't imagine Google bought them for anything other than the patents, they certainly didn't buy them for their firmware development skills of customer relations expertise. :laugh:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
It's pretty simple... he was responding to my post where I said this:

Well, following the links back, The website you linked said Motorola said they'd update the OS. And, as you noted, they did not specifically say ICS. And that's just what some site said... it is not official word from Motorola.

Sorry you haven't gotten it yet. Some have, you know. Apparently, there was some problem that delayed the release. Want it now, or want it done right?

So... do you have anything official from Motorola promising they were going to deliver ICS in Q1, 2012?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] milesg:
Did I say I had? :eek::rolleyes:

I think everyone gave them more credit than it turns out they deserved, and thought that they would want to get their brand new flagship smartphone onto ICS.

As it turns out, they were left trailing behind Samsung and HTC, their two biggest competitors, who managed to get ICS onto older handsets.

The best thing Google could do would be to send the hardware team home for the day then sack everyone else at Motorola. Great hardware... shame about everything else.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
90% of Android devices still do not have ICS. Saying one company is worse with updates than another is a bit disingenuous.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] milesg:
:laugh: 90% of Android devices - I'll bet a big chunk of those are Motorola handsets that have been cut loose by Motorola support ;)

You need only look at the facts; Samsung updated the SGSII, knowing they would be releasing the SGSIII only a month after the II had it's update. If that was Motorola, they would have left the earlier phone languishing on GB so there was a unique selling point for the new model.

Can you tell me any other volume Android handset manufacturer whose flagship phone doesn't have ICS?

SGSIII - ICS

Samsung Galaxy Note - ICS

Galaxy Nexus - ICS

HTC One (all variants) - ICS

Sony Xperia S - ICS

LG Optimus L5 & L7 - ICS

LG Optimus 4X - ICS

Motorola RAZR - GB

You sir, are either a Motorola employee, or the saddest fanboi I've had the misfortune to come across. You are making yourself look ridiculous try to defend what is indefensible and at the same time, feebly attempting to make it look like Motorola's customers (who've been waiting for 7+ months so far) are the ones being unreasonable.

sRDennyCrane is on ignore.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
Well said Sir!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
lol, that's terrific. Ignore all you want. 90% of ALL Android devices still don't have ICS. Those numbers come from Android.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] gigi_77:
Even the SE /Sony Arc / ArcS / NeoV / LivewitWalkman ics have official 4.0.4. Shame. But today the World League volleyball match between Poland and United States and revenge for earlier versions of the ICS for the US..:D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
*google*
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
No, if I'd meant Google, I'd have said that:

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Actually the number is 89.1% of Android devices still do not have ICS. So sorry for the error.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
I don't understand why there are duo many trolls here. Most of those in the 90% list are obsolete phones.. Some even running cupcakes for crying out loud.

If you want a fair comparison, compare those that can actually update to ice cream and not include those that cannot..

Join the rant, or stay clear of this thread.

Sent from my ICS Razr XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
No, the biggest majority is Gingerbread at 64%, and GB phones can't really be considered obsolete.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] akaSlack:
The problem is that ppl need to activate google play before they get registered with android 4.0 - 4.0.4 so number there are maybe wrong. (as you can use your phone without activate google play)

But never the less.. it is poor work from Motorola that top phone still dont been upgraded to ICS yet, when other brands have multiple phone on ICS (my gf have a HTC incredible s thats upgraded to ICS 4.0.4

Why is Motorola so late with the update? do they care about ther customers?

I live in Norway and is it only recent they came back to our market because there support and care for customers was too bad that no one bought there phones
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
U do know a lot of gb devices cannot be upgraded to ics right?

Sent from my ICS Razr XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bric10:
My bad, don`t know how I got that idea.....:silly:

http://www.mobilsiden.dk/nyheder/mo...e-cream-sandwich-i-starten-af-2012,lid.17594/
[Motorola Droid RAZR] BakaPhoenix:
Actually the gs2 is still owing the razr in the 3d, but ok is obsolete.

Btw is funny how the people whining didn't have ics(europe) and the people who already have ics are whining that the people that don't have ics are whining(sentece made confusionary on purpose xD).

Seriusly, the european owner have all the right to complain, asia and us already have ics, why eu should stay behind?

People who are happy with gingebread can just ignore this post. If they don't care about ics they can even don0t care about the people complaing.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Ajoli:
So you people think that motorola are delaying the eu update on purpose and are being lazy about it? You seriously think that they think they will gain customers by not releasing ics on time for the eu users?

... Are you stupid or trolls? Maybe both.

Of course they are doing everything they can to get it done as fast as they can. If you guys think you could be doing it better, go do it better, start your own phone company.

Honestly though. I could care less, as long as you STOP SPAMMING this forum with complaints! There are topics where you can discuss this.

This is not one of them.

Yes it sucks to wait, but nothing gets solved by cluttering a forum with complaints and acting stupid online.

Sent from my XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kulek:
Maybe we will get 4.1 (JB) =]. It would be mega surprise and BIG plus for motorola.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
They're referencing an Engadget article that referenced a statement from Motorola that within 6 weeks of the release of ICS source to manufacturers, they'd have devices that were ICS-ready. That's entirely different than promising ICS Q1, 2012.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Fekish:
it all depends to how much money a company has spent to recruit people or buy hardware in order to work on introducing the ics... Most probably Motorola management was more focus on the takeover rather than allocating the correct resources. now they have lost goodwill and reputation after the delay...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Angulardragon03:
can i just say, custom roms account for some of that 64%, and i know for certain that there are phones out there which perform so well on 2.3.x and so badly on 4.0.x that there would be no point in updating them, as it would be unusable anyways. And also, a large cause of upgrade issues: carriers *cough* AT&T *cough*

The amount of gingerbread users will be higher than the amount of ics users for the foreseeable future, as carriers and manufacturers are lazy and seek profit. Like apple, if a company drops upgrade support for your device, youre gonna have to upgrade sooner or later...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Gazblade:
Received this from Moto earlier

Thanks for taking part in this test of software for the RAZR/RAZR MAXX ICS. We would like your complete feedback via this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=_ 2bvVJEiBA6g7EWenZUS49_2bA_3d_3d . Please complete as soon as possible so we can quickly make an evaluation of the software quality by 9/7/2012 by 12:00 PM GMT
[Motorola Droid RAZR] milesg:
This.

Motorola under-resourced the ICS upgrade.

Which is why it is late.

And why it is buggy.

This is also why every other major handset maker beat them to the punch and released ICS for their flagship phone.

You're right, they've lost goodwill and their reputation has suffered.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
Are they low on budget as well? Using a free online survey? The is a first coming from a large corporation such as Motorola.. I expect this from a college student but not large corporations

Sent from my ICS Razr XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Fekish:
Survey monkey was bought by someone recently right? Was it google or Microsoft?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Fekish:
By the way the releases of ICS.are for soak tests ? They are not stable versions yet?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Vatazhka:
Market Segment: EuropeAustraliaEMEA

Version: 672.180.33

Android Version: 4.0.4

SPU: 19 TA-11.2

There's a statement on Motorola's website that official OTA will bring update to the same version as the leaked SBF (Polish version / German version). There's an OTA update to this SBF available, but it looks more or less incomplete.

Version strings for the soak tests (version string the same as leaked SBF, but with regional variations like TIM, ME etc.) were given in the customer satisfaction survey which was mentioned above but seems to be no longer available.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sRDennyCrane:
It would be interesting to see what the actual percentages are, but I believe that people like us who use custom ROMs represent the small, lunatic fringe of the group... i.e. <1%. It's easy to think there are more of us, simply because we constantly talk to other people here who flash ROMs, too. But taken as a whole, the Android users are mostly people who just buy phones and use them. Most probably don't even know a modder community exists, let alone would have any inclination to participate.

And for the record, ALL companies seek a profit. It's how they keep the lights on. If they did not, no one would risk their money investing in the companies. Look at Nokia- they're not profitable and haven't been in over 6 months. They're a sinking ship. Would YOU invest a few thousand in them... or maybe in Google, Motorola, and/or your carrier of choice?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] dangherciu:
OTA in Italy??

Hi,

I'm from Italy, still no update here ... I own a RAZR unbranded with Wind ... Is there anybody in Italy that actually received the update???

:(

Thank you!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Vatazhka:
I'm afraid that the survey only mentioned TIM-branded firmware, so "Italy" in the Motorola statement should be read as "TIM subscribers" (or, more correctly, those who own device distributed by TIM).
[Motorola Droid RAZR] htcmodteam:
Just clear everything up you need to be on one of 4. Versions of s/w

As long as it says IT on the end of your sw eg 651.47.23IT then it will work if you are in eu retail thus being g France uk German then it wont they have delayed it..... Sony know why as no one at Motorola will tell me.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] lowlow2:
As it is rolling out in India, it should be right around the corner right?!!

Since when are countries like India getting priority over the old continent... Europe?! Motorola, make it happen FGS

Nothing yet in Belgium / the Netherlands
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Hakun:
The core of OS should be same for all regions. Telephony, radio part could be different to meet EU operators requirement. Seems complex requirement??? and that causes delay due to buggy.

nonEFGIS, nonICS too :D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Vatazhka:
Please stop this imperialist nonsense.

Did you notice that Europe consists of many countries with many carriers? The number of sign offs is significantly bigger than in case of other regions.

Sent from my XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mavican:
Nothing here in England yet.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] daudus:
Nothing here in the Czech Republic yet.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] aaatoel:
Nothing in Greece as well... Let's hope it will come soon and not have the same issues as the Indian update which seems that for many people stopped in the middle of it and never came back.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] iSilens:
Motorola's Support reply to me said "a few weeks delay".
[Motorola Droid RAZR] WillKennerley:
Yeah, I can't believe there has been nothing for the UK yet :/...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bric10:
Nothing in Denmark.

Sendt fra min XT910 med Tapatalk2
[Motorola Droid RAZR] derLichtschalter:
Here in Germany: Last week I got my Razr Maxx preinstalled with Android 4.0.4, but my brother, who bought his Razr a few months ago, did not get his update yet.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] malgis:
Nothing in Lithuania as well. While Nexus is already getting 4.1!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sh4itan:
german support chat told me the update is already rolling out, so i think you might get it soon?

but who believe's a moto supporter? ;)

i'm happy with Arctic ICS, it's build on an update newer than the official ICS ;)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mrAdvo:
I have German version - but it`s still not updated... Waiting...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sh4itan:
jeah i know... they told me that the big roll out just started and it could be possible that everyone will have to wait around about 3 weeks to get the upgrade message...

but i don't really believe them... since 672.180.3 is leaked it's possible to check for updates without third party apps or mothercloudpicker... so this seems to be the official shi- stuff ;)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mrAdvo:
Yeah, I hope they will update my phone before end of July (:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mavican:
Its not a surprise, I've just come over from a Desire HD, and I got that in November 2010, every update HTC brought out I think I was one of the last in England to receive it. Given that to my Dad. I did use Ice Cold Sandwich for a bit, so I know what to expect.

I'm just getting used to it right now and I'm happy to wait for it. But I hope Google send some of their engineers in to Motorola and give them a couple lessons!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] aaatoel:
According to Motorola, the ICS rollout has also started in Japan (not China as Android Central wrote)! I believe that we are getting closer every day!!!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] baxtex:
No, nothing (Sweden)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] marinos35:
Still nothing here (Greece), and I'm afraid that my frequent checks are not far from being falsely considered as a dos attack to their server. :-P

Still, I'll keep waiting and I won't complain because even with the leaks people reported great performance and I have high hopes for the quality of the final update.

Sent from my XT910
[Motorola Droid RAZR] BakaPhoenix:
Still no new about the ota?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] aaatoel:
In the Moto Europe fb page, there are comments from them stating that they are trying to have the update available by the end of the month.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] BakaPhoenix:
WTF are they joking? <.<
[Motorola Droid RAZR] htcmodteam:
It was mentioned to be out but they have had issues on the update due to the registration of handsets for ota. This has slowed it all to a standstill. It will be with us soon.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
According to who?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] james_b:
Anyway, still nothing in france on retail...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] zwirek75:
I have just received a brand new XT910 Razr Maxx, it has ICS preinstalled 4.0.4, 672.180.33.XT910.Retail.EU
[Motorola Droid RAZR] aaatoel:
So this means that this one is official? Could you please post a couple of screenshots?

Edit: I just noticed that you wrote Maxx...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
It doesn't matter, maxxx and razr is the same phone... and yes it's that one and it is official
[Motorola Droid RAZR] powercozmic:
Yawn... Nothing here in the UK. Retail. Anyone got any clues as to when this is gonna happen ?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] geemacd:
I have sent motorola numerous tweets separately and in reply to tweets they have made, just asking to keep us informed of progress but as you would expect ....... No replies to any of them

The lack of service for the customers is terrible.

how hard is it just to give people a progress update that would take less than 30secs to write????? Is that too much to ask for from this organisation?

Personally I don't think it is
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ryhamster:
moto euro's facebook wall:

We wanted to give you an update on when you can expect to have the ICS upgrade delivered to your RAZR and RAZR MAXX phones. We are in the process of putting the final touches on the software so the end experience is the best we can make it. We expect the roll out to recommence in August. We appreciate that this delay is frustrating but want to assure you we're working hard to bring the best ICS experience to you as quickly as we can.

tbh im starting hate this phone now
[Motorola Droid RAZR] derLichtschalter:
If they want to bring the best ICS experience to our phones... why do I already have ICS on my Maxx? It came here preinstalled on my retail GSM/EU device... bought at amazon.de
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
At least they are trying :trollface::D