yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
to port sense 4 for the .35 kernel and the 3.xx one is different do to libs/bins needed

so to port for the .35 (which you guys have) it would be a decent amount of work and camera/camcorder wont work at all

best to wait for an ics leak, because i can most likely get lte working between that and the inc 4g stuff (not a guarantee but a good chance)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonah1234:
Twistedunbrella and protekk were working on ics and couldn't get anything related to the radio working but everything else is working. Would u happen to know any reason why or if u could help?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
The reason why is because we don't have ics ril source yet.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
getting lte working on a sense port is much different than aosp

once ics is out u can decompile the framework.jar and pull libs from it for sense

aosp is programmed in java, whereas decompiling produces smali....java to smali is as simple as building and deocmpiling

going smali to java is a herculian task that requires a romanbb, sbrissen, jt1134
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonah1234:
They promised to have it finished by latest next month so hopefully they keep that promise.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
It sucks that it's taking so long because we are losing a lot of devs. Its great that we have gained nitsuj.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liquid0624:
Working on something top secret can't reveal any details but all i know its going to take some time...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santod040:
Sounds exciting, thanks a lot man!!

I know for a fact you will have better luck then I have had so far.

Been making efforts on and off for a bit now and have not gotten very far. :eek:

With the work I have seen come from you in the past, I'm sure whatever you are able to provide us with will be much appreciated.

Calls, no calls, whatever.

Right now a bootable Sense 4 rom that doesn't just keep force closing would be a treat! :)

Anyway, just wanted to thank you for your efforts!! Regardless of the outcome.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bond32:
Wow, some really good news here. Thanks to all the devs!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonah1234:
I just got sfk's sense 4.0 look a like ROM and its really nice and u should all try it out. I found It at rootzwiki. Really nice and smooth, loaded with awesome animations, and it looks almost exactly like sense 4.0!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Newt:
Well I know for a fact you guys are getting ics when that happens if someone wants to shoot me an old device ill hook you guys up
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
This guy is an awesome dev and we should help him.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donnyp1:
Im gunna do an insurance claim, will tell them its lost. Only got ceacked screen. You can have mine, will be a few weeks. Its rooted and runs great
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
lets not advocate fraud :p
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
Yea you will get into trouble for it. I was temp banned for it once.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RBarnett09:
Dude, thank you!

You're awesome!

I seriously hope that guy gives you his phone!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donnyp1:
Me n newt go back, ill do my best to hook him up. No fraud, i can lose it
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] quickdraw86:
+1, awesome and highly respected.

*Thunderbolt 4G*
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
It would be awesome if he and nitsuj teamed up.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
since the inc2 and tbolt are both wvga and similar in a lot of ways sans radio, i was just gonna port UKB from the inc2 once you guys have an ics leak
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Newt:
That would be fine but I seen where you said using inc4g parts would fix data like I did for rezound and it very likely might but tbolt tbolt doesn't have qmi like rez and inc4g, so it would take alil more work to get data to function but when the time comes we can see what we can do ;)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dizzyman1180:
I have a bolt with cracked screen I'd give for the sake of development. Please, anything to breathe some new life into our tbolt's would be amazing. Any dev interested let me know.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
I had a booting port from the inc2 but I couldn't get data working. Not ics btw.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
yeah most things will work phone to phone, just not data
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disconnecktie:
I learned a lot about porting though. I wish I knew more about getting the rest working.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reggietothemax:
If this goes, I might be able to put off buying a new phone. I'm not a huge Samsung fan, but that s3 has been tempting me. Hopefully HTC and Verizon drop an update/leak soon.

Also, appreciate all the work all the devs do here!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] quickdraw86:
I don't like Samsung's build quality. The only phone that can replace my bolt is the rumored vzw HTC one variant or another future vzw HTC.

*Thunderbolt 4G*
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unctucker:
I am happy with the builds we have now and look forward to the release of ics for future roms. I also have been looking for a replacement but none have the feel of the T-bolt. I'll hold onto this and continue to donate to the dev. for future work until an HTC upgrade is available. Thanks again to all the Dev. and the hard work put into the Roms we use and for future work that will keep this phone rolling.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RBarnett09:
I feel the same way. I love my friends One X, but I HATE that it doesn't have an SD card slot for extra memory. =l

I'd probably still give in though.

Until then, I'm sticking with the tbolt.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] quickdraw86:
Yeah, agreed. I thought about the rezound, but that's an older one now too. Waiting for sure.

*Thunderbolt 4G*
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unctucker:
Any updates here? What's been going on?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMace23:
Still waiting on an update from htc so we can get the radios working in custom roms... Hopefully we'll get the update or at least a leak in the next couple weeks
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
i have no plans to do anything until an ics leak drops....too much to rework if using a gb kernel (and less functional)

but now that m10 tools are out and virtuous has a modded wvga base of a villec2 rom i will work on bringing team venom's viper rom to wvga devices (inc2, bolt if possible)

first priority is getting it up and going on the inc 4g first though
[Thunderbolt General] unctucker:
Are there any sense 4.0 roms available?
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Yes but only for the one series. Ours will never have sense 4 as its a pain to get 3.5. O won't use any 3.5 as it requires flashing radios that are not tbolt
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Huh? We will see sense 4 once we have an official t bolt ics leak or ota. The problem is atm that we dont have a ril to use with ics roms so data will not work. As far as 3.5 goes.... Eternity works just fine. I dont have a clue what you are talking about with the radios coming from a different phone.
[Thunderbolt General] quickdraw86:
Totally agree. We have 3 sense 3.5 roms, all run fine and NONE require non thunderbolt radios. ICS will have sense 3.6 when it comes, but devs will likely be able to port as much of sense 4 as the thunderbolt's hardware allows when our ICS source is published.

Sent from my highly tweaked and customized Thunderbolt 4g!
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Read any faq on a 3.5 sense.Rom and it.says.you.must have this.radio or.that radio.....
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Only HTC promised ice,,,, but will vzw allow it.to be realesed.or.force.us To buy a new phone to get.ice
[Thunderbolt General] stanlalee:
Wrong, uses the same radios as ANY GB thunderbolt ROM. We don't have 4.0 because we don't have a working ICS ril yet. We won't have anything ICS with working data until we get one
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Believe what you want but their are clear warnings on the faq on how to install and that not flashing the correct radio for a sense 3.5 Rom will brick it.... So no sense 3.5 should be used.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
It says nothing of the sort in the eternity faq.... It says any gingerbread radio will work. Which makes sense because you could brick by flashing a froyo radio to a gb rom anyway.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Send a link to that rom for me please.
[Thunderbolt General] bpyazel:
You can't brick this phone flashing any radio made for it, as long as the download isn't corrupt. Worse case using the wrong radio with a rom is a boot loop or no working data.
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
I will look tomorrow for that Rom that says to use a specific radio.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
Just in case anyone missed it, ICS will probably NOT have Sense 4.0, the OTA version will most likely drop with an earlier version and update to Sense 4.x in a few months or so. At least that's what's happened with other phones that got OTA ICS updates.

One other note: Some folks on other HTC phones have expressed disappointment with ICS because with sense 3.x it looks/acts very much like Gingerbread.

The key is patience.

I'm sure that ICS with Sense 4.0 WILL be coming to the T'bolt and, if you're under 25, possibly within your lifetime! :)
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
I only see sense 4 on this phone through rom development. I don't think htc sees it functioning well enough to please their pallette. We didn't even see an official sense 3.5 so I don't expect there to ever be an official sense 4.
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
HTC has said that current models will only get sense 3.6 such as the ego 3d that came.with. sense 3.0. So no official sense 4 as our phone goes not have the.memory for it.
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
You are wrong I read must use a specific radio or it will brick.
[Thunderbolt General] nitsuj17:
just used my last pre data share upgrade for my wife to get an iphone 4s and im getting her tbolt as a junk phone basically

ill working on porting my inc2 sense4 roms to the tbolt, though until you guys get an ics leak (inc2 had a china one) and get the 3.0.16 kernel camera isnt happening (rom will work sans camera w/ .35 kernel and hacked ramdisk)

and lte is no guarantee, but i have some experience editing RIL (got cdma working on inc2 miui4) so we ll see :o

my inc2 thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1553357
[Thunderbolt General] nitsuj17:
memory doesnt make a difference...the sensation and rezound have a gig of ram and they only get sense 3.6...sense4 (full) is reserved for the one series and inc 4g currently and sense4a for the one v

all phones that werent native ics that are getting upgraded are getting the same sense 3.6...although the rhyme/bliss is getting a version of 3.6 similar to their previous 3.5 (ive seen the screenshots)
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
So you read that on eternity faq? Because what I read gingerbread radios only. Please post a link to the forum you got this info from for future reference. Oh and nitsuj you are an awesome dev maybe you could help get data working on our ics roms. From what I've read about our ril is that it's tricky because we have svdo which allows for simultaneous voice and data and it makes the ril more complicated than others.
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Adont all lte phones have simultaneously. Voice data
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
All LTE phones can but they dont use svdo which allows simultaneous voice and data over 3g as well. The others with the exception of the rezound use voLTE which only works over 4g. When are you going to post up the sources for the roms that brick your device if you flash a radio other than mr4?
[Thunderbolt General] Boostjunky:
@ Google_Nexus:

You are spreading a lot of nonsense in regards to Sense 3.5 ROMs and radios.

The ONLY stipulation in regards to Radios on the Thunderbolt and the hundereds of ROMs available is that if you are running a Gingerbread ROM, you must run a radio that was meant for Gingerbread. If you're running a Froyo ROM, you must run a radio that was meant for Froyo.

Has nothing to do with the Sense version. And even if you were to run a Froyo Radio on a Gingerbread ROM (or vice versa), chances are you simply wouldn't have working data. You're not likely to brick anything.

Please stop spreading misinformation and educate yourself on these matters before trying to convince the masses of something that is incorrect.
[Thunderbolt General] nitsuj17:
once we get a sense 3.6 ics rom im sure we can get data working on sense 4, although im not saying we can't without it

as for aosp RIL? beyond my capablities to fix it in java source :o

whats the most functional aosp ics rom you guys have now? data aside (ill grab the zimage from it for sense4)
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
That would be playground ics over at rootzwiki. You will have to get a copy from twistedumbrella. He removed it so people wouldn't ask when data would start working.
[Thunderbolt General] androidsupra:
I just downloaded his 6/5 build. He may have taken links down over at rootz but the link to his site is still live in the development thread here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1347066
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
What I read is the Hboot will be different.
[Thunderbolt General] nitsuj17:
the ics sense kernels mount a new partition /lib (actually 2.3.6 + kernels do as well) that older hboots dont recognize, so kernels flashed wont boot

its an easy workaround, the ramdisk just has to be tweaked
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
No real surprise is a major update, can't wait for ota to jelly bean may skip all else.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Who said we are getting a jb ota?
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
Well why would we not its just a small .1 release not much different then how 2.0 is.different from. 2.1 2.2 or even 2.3.... We are entitled to it if we get 4.0
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Omg not you again. Mods this guy is the Google_Nexus fool. Make this dude stop please.
[Thunderbolt General] nitsuj17:
you are an idiot
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
Even less intelligent then I thought, and I thought that was impossible.

Reported yet again.......:eek:
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
How could anyone even think to expect a jb update when htc doesn't even have a jb sense rom created yet? Idiots....
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
Yes they do its called ice.cream sandwich and jb is only a dot release like vista 6.0 to 7 which is 6.1 and 8 is 6.2 type cmd and then get into windows.... So jb is just bug fixes and app updates like chrome and newer search to pies off apple.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Still doesn't mean htc made a 4.1 rom.
[Thunderbolt General] dizzyman1180:
Why is there such an influx of morons in our forums lately that feel Google owes us, with over a year and half old device, anything, including jb. We will be lucky enough to see ics with the frankenstein radio we have. And all this demanding of stuff is ridiculous. If you don't like what we have and the hard work our devs have done for us, go buy a nexus or some other device and mtfo
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
Apple has the iphone 3gs which is like several years old so we should also be entitled to jelly bean and.key lime pie as well. But updates should be more common and faster.
[Thunderbolt General] nitsuj17:
ics and jellybean may be closely related, but given that ics came out in december and only a few htc phones have ics sense officially...do the math on when to expect jb (if ever)

once this phone has ics it will have 2 major os upgrades from htc (gb and ics) and i think thats more than fair for a phone approaching a year and a half old

if you want to use the apple comparison, great...we could also have completely locked down phones that can barely be modded at all

and please go into your lair under the bridge, your trolling is annoying
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
What Apple does, has nothing to do with what we are "entitled" to.

You aren't entitled to diddly man!

The Thunderbolt came with Froyo, we have seen an upgrade to Gingerbread and if we are lucky, we will still see ICS as slated by HTC's schedule.

No amount of your childish whining about what you think we are entitled to is gonna change anything. All it is gonna do is make you look like someone who should have been disciplined more as a kid and taught the word "no".

You have already been asked by Mods/Admin to stop your rants, buy a Nexus, start developing your own ICS/JB rom, buy an iPhone, or take a nice vacation from these forums.

At this point, I'm hoping you get yourself a vacation, we could use it...

As for your Apples to Oranges comparison:

Apple makes iOS

Apple makes the UI

Apple makes the iPhone

Apple has 5 devices in the wild to make the update work on

Google makes the Android OS

HTC, Samsung, Moto, LG, etc,.. make their proprietary UI for the OS

HTC, Samsung, Moto, LG, etc,.. make the handsets

Each of those manufacturers has to have time after the Android OS update to make the new version work on their various different handsets with various hardware and abilities.

It's just not the same and I am tired of you comparing the two.

If you really like Apples ways, GO BUY AN iPHONE!!! (and don't tell me they are too expensive again, as it sounds like software revisions are more important to you)
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
We have locked down phones but I would take that for the latest os. We need to pass a law to make sure our phones always have the latest android.
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
I've been trying to be somewhat civil, but you really are a f__king idiot!!! :good:

Here, let me give you a link to a working JB rom for the Thunderbolt, so then you can spam me to death telling me how slow it is and why does it eat batteries for lunch.

No thanks!!

"Pass a law...." :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
Speaking of lockdown, id just about pay for the mods to lock this idiot out!
[Thunderbolt General] dizzyman1180:
+1 on that ^
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
its about being fair. you would not give one of your children a bag of chips and not the other kid.. thats not fair. Its the same thing here. why should one phone such as the evo3d get the ics update but not another phone such as the samsung epic 4g? Apple and microsoft does it with windows phone 7.x. We need to have a common set of hardware for all devices which will make upgrades faster. Also the carriers should have less say in updates,, verizon on cdma has the iphone and the vzw cdma iphone gets all the ios updates. We need to also get rid of low end phones on android and only have the high end mid range to high end phones. all phones should come with sd card support, and then we will be off to a good start.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Screw the update. The way you're talking they should just provide us with the damn phone that is capable of taking the updates. Just STFU already. Take your entitlement mentality somewhere else already. The updates that Google and verizon provide for us cost a lot of money to do. I'm sure that you don't give a **** about that though because the way you sound when you talk I bet that you are on just about every type of government assistance available.
[Thunderbolt General] entitled:
No govt assistance for me. We are entitled read the us constitution, freedom of liberty, and such...
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
So, I'm guessing you work for Verizon, or another carrier....

Because so far, you have made me either wanna upgrade my device so I don't have to read anymore from you here, or I wanna get as far away as possible from Verizon and any phone you might get your hands on in the near future.

You are the most annoying, uneducated fool that I have had the displeasure of meeting in any forum, EVER....and believe me, I've run across some real winners.

WTF does the US Constitution have to do with smartphones?

Wait, let me answer this myself before you grace me with any more of your wisdom about entitlement.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!

I am truthfully shocked by your persistent ignorance.

Have you not woken up yet and realized that you have annoyed anyone and everyone that has happened to run across any of your posts on this site?:confused:

GET A CLUE!

As for your potato chip analogy, if one kid has teeth and the other one doesn't, you still gonna feed them both chips and watch as one of them chokes and dies?

Nevermind, given your display of intellect, you probably would...

(and yes, my analogy holds water, since not all children/devices are equal and therefore cannot all handle the same food/software)
[Thunderbolt General] quickdraw86:
i too am annoyed. i came to xda to exchange ideas with other users, both about my device in particular and about android in general. so far, i've seen just about every thread here polluted with whining, entitlement, trolling, and misinformation. i'm no mod, but i believe the ban was introduced to remedy exactly this. .02 of the day.

Sent from my highly tweaked and customized Thunderbolt 4G!
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
Awesome post dude, i believe i was ENTITLED to that kind of response. Lol. Fwiw, u nailed it
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
Finally.....some PEACE!

Thank you mods/admin.

The community is very grateful.

Now, if anyone wants to talk about Sense 4.0 without whining, or demanding it, or saying we are entitled to it, so be it.

I for one would love to see a Sense 4.0 rom for the Tbolt, even without working data.

I would just like to play around with the new Sense and check it out.

I had ported Sense 3.6 at one point just to try that out.

But haven't yet tried my hand at porting Sense 4.0, not that it would be a DD or anything if I did.
[Thunderbolt General] timmymarsh:
Thanks,

Dealt with, thread cleaned.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Port it and ill try it
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
Assuming I find time here real soon to do so, and it at least boots stable enough to check out the UI and such, I will send you something via PM to play around with.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Nice sounds good.
[Thunderbolt General] htcdemand:
Cleaned from what... Your distorted view of the truth? Fact is that we should get android

4.1 directly from Google as we are also told that we will get 4.0 so why not skip 4.0 and just give us 4.1 now... Android method to get updates should be like on the.pc. my laptop can handle windows 8 so I have windows 8 rc. If pc can have billions of configurations and we don't even come close to to that so why can't we do it as well.... So Google stop the excuses and just release 4.1. To all devices....
[Thunderbolt General] bond32:
Haha this guy doesn't quit...

As for the testers, I will happily test anything and report my findings.
[Thunderbolt General] brandogg:
What does Google have to do with anything? They made the OS open source (not yet JB, since it isn't available officially for anything yet...but the SDK is there)...it's up to HTC to make the new build specifically for the T'bolt. This thread just got cleaned, and now you're crapping all over it. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, or you are just purposely trolling.
[Thunderbolt General] quickdraw86:
so... when is this guy going to be permabanned so we can actually talk about sense 4 for thunderbolt?