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[Nokia Lumia 900] eknutson:
Heh, I figured the flame would be for showing I'm some kind of 'Carier Fanboi' or something. An honest discussion of the pros and cons is in now way a flame, and is very welcome!

FamilyTalk Nation 700 with Rollover$60.00Family Messaging Unlimited with Mobile to Any Mobile Calling$30.00International Long Distance - Standard$0.00International Roaming - Expanded$0.00DataPro 5GB for Smartphone 4G LTE with Visual Voicemail$50.00National Account Discount−$3.30Total Monthly Charges $136.70

Considering the support of my family's usage: I use the 700 minutes (650 plus, the rollover averages out) - cheapest messaging as well, and I make use of the tethering option.

I can upgrade my phone at 18 months, so:

18 x $136.70 = 2460 + $0 (Lumia was free, but we can use $200 as that's what I'll usually pay anyway) - call it 2660 for 18 months. Compared to 18 months at $45 ($810) so the difference is even more than you calculated.

However, I'm LTE, I have to support 2 other phones in the family (soon to be more), and I use other capabilities as well - in short, it's not apples to apples. I'm buying a more delux plan, instead of the cheapest. =)
[Nokia Lumia 900] yaiba60:
AT&T and MS love you, I'm certain. Heck you could even try to grab an unlock code for the Lumia 900 and sell it to someone for maybe $50 or $100 or use it on your Lumia :victory:
[Nokia Lumia 900] tabraoui:
I agree with what you are saying.

But... I had high expectations when I got my Lumia 900. Now, I can't shake the feeling of dissapointment.

Don't get me wrong... I'm totaly with the WP8 jump. It will place MS right there at the top... And I'll certainly get a WP8 device and a surface tablet.

However, for now, my new $600 Lumia won't be able to run VOIP in the background while almost any other OS, $135 device can.

For me, this is hard to swallow :crying:

You could argue that VOIP is not important for every one... It is for me.
[Nokia Lumia 900] agp64:
It was important for me as well. And the reason I upgraded to the NL900.

Should of just kept my NL800 and waited for WP8.:silly:
[Nokia Lumia 900] hx4700 Killer:
I suspect A LOT of people are thinking just that. If they hadnt blow out hyped the hell out of this phone I wouldnt feel the same but they did. Microsoft/Nokia have pulled a real first here and lost A LOT of trust.
[Nokia Lumia 900] ragingclue:
Did they ever say it was going to get a WP8 upgrade? I can't remember if they did, or if it was just speculation.

Doesn't matter to me, I'll be grabbing a flagship WP8 device as soon as they're around. I really didn't expect the L900 to offer a premium WP8 experience anyway, due to HW "deficiencies".
[Nokia Lumia 900] hx4700 Killer:
It was always speculation based on years of history. We now know they threw out more than just CE with windows phone 8.
[Nokia Lumia 900] kwill:
I think some folks miss the point. It's not about how fast tech moves, or how other OS's don't advertise\offer upgrades after buying a phone, etc. It's plain and simple, MSFT\Nokia hyped a device that will soon be behind the times when wp8 comes out. We're talking 6 mths at most. Sure, it'll be a great device still and I love mine. HOWEVER, I also loved my Titan and would've been perfectly fine waiting for WP8 devices to drop instead of wasting an upgrade for a phone that was pretty much the same as what I had. I was depending on just mosying on along with the updates to add functionality and finally had a perfect device to which I could ignore some of the missing functionality until MSFT released updates. I'll probably buy wp8 also because I love WP in general and I've bought 3 devices (1First gen and 2 second gen), but it doesn't excuse the fact they shouldn't have hyped it up like this phone would be SOOO relevant in the movement. The only relevance it has now is that it's just a great phone, but by the end of the year, there will be better, more functional units. My Titan and HD7 are still relevant, good phones 2 yrs later and I didn't expect my Lumia to be the phone that would have future WP features that weren't dependent on particular hardware.
[Nokia Lumia 900] ragingclue:
Yeah I do understand why people who planned on keeping the phone would be upset. I get it. I guess I just saw Apollo was on the near horizon along with hardware that would actually support all of those features which the L900 can't, and knew I'd be upgrading phones for that. So even if the Lumia did support WP8, I don't think I'd be keeping it at that point anyway.

It's rough nowadays with 2-year contracts and the progress of hardware and software in the cell phone arena. There's not much out there that has seemed non-obsolete after two years in circulation. You just can't really buy a phone these days without it feeling obsolete or inadequate within a few months or maybe even a year, but I think the industry has designed it that way. $$

However, one thing I've really really learned through all the phones I've owned is that speculation is as good as moot. I've learned the hard way a few times, and it did seem that the speculation this time was driven by what may have been somewhat credible sources, but it was still speculation.

And in the end, we're all human and we're all here to make a buck. Sometimes that buck is at the expense of others. M$ and Nokia are in the business of making money, so they'll go ahead and do whatever they think gives them the best shot. They don't care about L900 owners and whether or not they even should I guess is a bit of an ethics debate, but in the end I don't think there's a single phone manufacturer that would stand by their end users in this situation as opposed to doing what makes the most sense in their .xls spreadsheets and .ppt presentations.

They obviously feel like giving L900 users the feeling of alienation is worth it to move ahead with the game plan they have in place. Sucks for a lot of people.

Uhh have you rode the Android merry-go-round yet? What you are describing is not isolated to what M$ is doing here. And Apple gives you a whole 12 months of feeling like you drew the long straw. Better but still not great. Fortunately for iPhone people though, you don't lose your ass when you turn phones over. That's one MAJOR thing they've got going for them. The same does not apply to the Android or other devices I've owned. It just is what it is.

6 months at most though? When is the first flagship WP8 device going to drop? I'm not poking at you, I was just wondering for my own information because I do not know.
[Nokia Lumia 900] eknutson:
*shrug* even with the moniker 'flagship' the data would suggest better phones would be here in the fall. I'm not aware of a release date for WP8 other than 'Q4 2012' but speculation is November for Win8 so... just whipping out some quick dates here (sorry EU folks, I'm not familiar with release dates over there):

Nov 2010 Samsung Focus / HTC Surround

Mar 2011 HTC HD7s (AT&T)

Oct 2011 HTC Titan

Mar 2012 Lumia 900

May 2012 Samsung focus 2

Nov 2012 "WP8"

But the moniker sticks for me. Best. Phone. Ever. So even though I'll pass on an upgrade this fall, the phone is flippin' fantastic for me so I don't see any evidence of Nokia or Microsoft misleading me here at all... This isn't all that dissimilar to the late 90s / early 00s with PC hardware. It was obsolete in weeks. Now that it has leveled off, people have come to expect similar in the cell phone world, but developments are coming fast and furious, just like the early PC days. It really isn't a shocker at all IMHO.

Again, I feel for those who feel like they've been screwed and nobody cares. But I don't feel screwed, and I don't feel like nobody cares (not the way Nokia is pumping out the goodies for me!). I hope you can understand my position and not feel the need to convince me that I'm wrong - I'll do the same for you ;)
[Nokia Lumia 900] ragingclue:
Well I was hoping there'd be a Nokia offering similar to the L900. Although I have not written either off, both HTC and Samsung have had major failures and issues which have pissed me off. My Nokia isn't perfect either, but as of right now, they've got a long way to go to piss me off to a level that would rival HTC and Samsung.

And even though the first WP8 phones are pretty much guaranteed to have better specs than the Lumia, I'd still like to go ahead and wait for a flagship. Sometimes this can also mean certain gamebreaking bugs have been addressed at that point, which is also pretty good.

AFAIK, the Lumia 900 launched on AT$T on April 8th, so April to at least November is at least seven months. Still not great but if a flagship is still a couple months behind that, I'll get decent life span out of the Lumia. In fact, it would be a longer run than any of the phones I can remember having since smartphones hit the market. Not too shabby IMO. But again, that's JMO.
[Nokia Lumia 900] efektos:
Spot on ragingclue. People tend to forget how often they replace their smartphones (I think I won't be mistaken if I assume that most people will replace their smartphone once a year, and some even more frequently).

In addition, Nokia's phones - even the esoteric ones - tend to have a very large lifespan, due to building quality, hardware and of course Nokia's and the community's support (i.e., the N900, N800/810 etc.) - so having a truly great device such as the Lumia 900 has a very good 'maximal utilization' potential, plus I'm pretty sure that when Nokia would decrease its support to the device, the community would gladly fill the gap.
[Nokia Lumia 900] bigwavesurfer4:
I get it. My lumia 900 is a great phone. Solidly built; fluid; great. United States? 2 year contract...i get it, but that's how it works here; it sucks. If this event was...6 or 7 months down the road...i'd say ok so we didn't get the update, i'll wait out anaother year and get a new phone. What's frustrating is that Nokia and Microsoft knew this was going to happen and basically said sorry guys we fooled ya. I don't care if the iphone did it or if android did it, that's why i didn't pick android or the iphone. I was expecting a phone that was top of its class for more than 2 months. Even after two months I was hoping there'd be some sort of chevron-like root capability so we could get more colors, access to more information like a battery widget etc...nope nothing...Nokia wrote the other day something like..."In addition, an exciting new partnership with Zynga is announced that will make hit games like Words With Friends and Draw Something available for Lumia smartphone owners for a couple of months"...i was questioning why they added "for a few months" at the end...as if to say...updates available for windows 7.8 for a few months till we abandon you guys and only support windows 8...who in this forum can honestly say that they would not be upset if in 7 or 8 months they started seeing apps on their phone with a description that said "built for WP8 only." Oh whoops...i still have a year left...it's a great phone...but i can't download any apps...better yet what if microsoft did what it did with older outdated phones earlier this year and says that if you don't update to WP8, you won't have access to the app store anymore (they did this with people who didn't update to WP 7.5)...who here honestly would not be upset...microsoft and nokia are claiming that they will continue to support the device etc etc...they also told us the lumia would not be "beta-testers"...are you guys really saying that that doesn't bother you that just because it's a solid phone, it doesn't need WP8? Still love the phone now...can't say i will when wp8 takes over.
[Nokia Lumia 900] efektos:
You say Nokia/MS would cease supporting the WP7.8 Lumias, I say they won't (at least, not so fast) - your speculation is as good as mine.
[Nokia Lumia 900] truffle1234:
how did you know for sure??? steve must have called you...

Lumina 900 do not have the screen reselution and and NO NFC, so its already below par to the WP8 devices... Skype do not run on cheaper nokia devices as well so what???

tell me one thing... right now your Lumina does what it should do???? you are *****ing about things which are on the way and right now everyone is spaculating... even the MS people are not giving firm answers...

i think what you are going to do with your lumia 900 is your choice, and what phone you want to buy as well depends on you...

i will wait till wp8 is launched and see what wp7.8 will brings to lumia 900, but till then i am very happy with the lumia 900....

BEST phone ever... and getting better every day... cant wait for the camera improvments...
[Nokia Lumia 900] xsever:
I like the phone don't get me wrong but when are these coming? Next year or the year after? Shame for a flagship phone to launch with such a bad camera performance especially not being able to focus on further targets due to software.
[Nokia Lumia 900] eknutson:
We have them in the US, and as I understand it, the entire Lumia line gets them after Tango - sometime in July in all countries.
[Nokia Lumia 900] xsever:
I am talking about specific firmware updates for the camera and not the Nokia Camera Extras app.

You guys in the US did not receive such firmware update yet.
[Nokia Lumia 900] ckeledjian:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have the Lumia 900 and Nokia updated me last week with DLNA Play to, Camera extras and this is not even Tango or 7.8, just the Nokia Update. And ATT last week updated my city to LTE speeds, so now I have LTE while my iPhone 4S friends can't, because it is not LTE. You sold it already? Oh, well....:silly:
[Nokia Lumia 900] denispage:
I have both (lumia 900 and iphone 4s). Sorry, but I can´t see a reason to use an iphone after a WP...
[Nokia Lumia 900] kenikh:
Ditto. Even rooted, I am more and more convinced that iOS sucks. Love my Lumia and even if there's no official support for WP8, things have a funny way of working out.

I am running ICS on my Kindle after all.

Sent from my Kindle Fire running ICS
[Nokia Lumia 900] underground9:
I got rid of my Lumia 900 for ios not because it is not a valid phone or because i stand on Apples side, instead i think WP is growing up really fast and is getting a pretty much competitor on the todays market. It was just because its impossible to sim unlock it.
[Nokia Lumia 900] efektos:
Why didn't you buy an unlocked version in the first place?
[Nokia Lumia 900] underground9:
Because its much more expensive.
[Nokia Lumia 900] efektos:
...And now you know why :)
[Nokia Lumia 900] extreme11191986:
Yeah I recently switched from verizon to at&t and I decided on going with the lumia 900. I was coming from a cheap android phone called the "droid citrus" which was garbage. I loved the lumia 900, but a few things really annoyed me about it. No setting to prevent it from going into landscape mode made reading in bed a pita. No choice to import my facebook contacts into the phonebook when I logged into facebook through the phones application. Did not want 500 people in my contact list when I only call about 1% of them.

The last real annoyance was having to download the zune software to get the new update that came out in June right after I got my phone. Why can't I just download it over wifi? So I go to download the zune software and guess what? It will not install on my windows vista laptop? LOL wtf is that? So now I have to download this software on someone elses computer just to update my phone? Ridiculous.

The final straw is finding out that it will not be upgraded to windows phone 8. I still had 2 weeks left where I could return the phone and went with the Galaxy s3.

I really, really would have liked to keep my lumia 900 but it just wasn't happening with these stupid choices microsoft made in regards to updates & limited setting choices.

I am very happy with my s3 but feel microsoft made some huge errors which could have been remedied easily but were not.

Maybe when it is time for a new phone I will consider whatever windows phone is out that time if they have gotten their act together..
[Nokia Lumia 900] tequeterequeteque:
Stop Crying

Stop crying like babys, hold on to you Lumia 900 until december, then sell it through ebay, loosing not even 100 USD (There are millions of people all around the world that doesn't even know what OS their phones have, 7.5, 7.8, etc and dont even care, everithing is about looks) and buy a new one. Maybe the first lumia with WP 8 and pureview technology.
[Nokia Lumia 900] detox8907:
The iPhone lost me at Mango. I've had an HTC Radar since it's debut. I had an HD7 and an HD2 running Windows Phone 7 before that. I don't think I can go back to iOS and feel good about making the change. It seems too outdated... Same thing since 2007. I just bought an unlocked Lumia 900 on ebay from Canada :-) I should be getting it any day now. I can't wait. I don't care if I don't get Windows Phone 8. I'll get the next Nokia phone when that's out. Now I just want the coolest Nokia out. I'm so psyched about it I even bought Nokia stock now that it's at 1.79 a share! You can get more than 500 shares for under a grand! The beta test is over; Windows Phone 8 is almost out. I am one happy Windows Phone user. :-)
[Nokia Lumia 900] pistol44:
I for one couldn't care less about what this phone is or isn't getting. I'm one of those people that like many others just want the latest and greatest anyway. So when the next flagship WP8 device drops I'll simply sell my L900 and use the money towards the newer, shinier device. Simple. For now I'll hold on to my beautiful cyan L900 and flaunt it till Nov or Dec and see what comes around. I also couldn't care less about the quickly aging iOS and their 0.5" larger screened iPhone 4S aka iPhone5.

As for those that were hoping to hold onto their L900 for another 4 yrs well you may be out of luck to an extend as you can't add a higher res screen, quad core processor or NFC yourself lol. Obviously you can't add software features related to hardware that doesn't exist.. however, I'd be shocked if WP7.8 was really only a new start screen in the end. I know that's all they confirmed but that doesn't mean MS can't change that between now and then.

Besides, xda's always great at finding a way to bring whatever they can to the L900 through some type of hack, rom or cab anyway. So I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch.
[Nexus S Themes and Apps] hungmung:
I strongly suggest people go check out the new Swype beta. You can go download it from the Swype site, it is a different app than the regular Swype. It uses the same Swype method but now uses your Facebook Twitter Gmail and texts like swiftkey to improv the predictive text. I've been using it most of today and it is much more accurate.

Sent via semaphore...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StillTheWatcher:
Is it normal that the home button doesn't always make a clicking feeling if you press it off centre? Like if you press in the centre it clicks nicely, but on the sides of the button it pushes in and out without making a little click. Is my home button faulty? It always works, just doesn't feel very nice to push, anyone else comment on this...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yusei:
Same here.

Don't worry :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NatTheCat:
Yh same here. Its just the same way a Pc Keyboard operates.

My name is Optimus Prime and I send this message..
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scared27:
Same here, although I never hit it off centre.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ceo.mtcl:
Haha nice find. Never noticed it though.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yusei:
Actually i find it in first day but seems normal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Mike:
Today, as I'm sure you are all well aware of, official ics 4.0.4 made it way to the Rodgers version of the Skyrocket via Samsung Kies. My question is, couldn't devs take the update and remove the CIQ thus allowing its use for ATT / Unlocked users?

Sent from my soon to be rooted I727
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] xcrazydx:
Yes, all we need is cwm zip
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] polish_pat:
why would devs waste their time when att update is also out???

P.S. RoDgers???? its actually Rogers

trolololololol:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Mike:
What do u mean att update is out. I am of the understanding a new leak is to be unveiled by design gears but that isn't the official "Final" build from Samsung

Sent from my soon to be rooted I727
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] xcrazydx:
Right, there is no official att ics yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] unibombz:
Give it time, things take time. The as the new update showed it is a newer baseband for rogers as well. The att and rogers are close to the same (radio is not) it just released today give the devs some time to cook things up
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] pixelens:
CIQ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] unibombz:
Try some google, but here is a link to assist you

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] polish_pat:
The officiel att update it out...google it

Edit: my bad its the 777
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] WWill MM:
looking for an update to gingerbread 2.3.6 , i went back to stock and it gave me version 2.3.5 , i used the stock tar from sammobile, and now it wont update to 2.3.6 for som reason and i dont see it on sammobile?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] mr_clean5953:
Rogers doesn't have ciq.

Sent from my SGS 2 LTE running SkyICS
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Suminderji:
Second. Only US carriers have CIQ.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] awarbrick89:
Well, that's true and it isn't at the same time, Rogers has it installed (can't speak for all phones), its just not activated.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] unibombz:
Run LogCat you can see CIQ instances all over rogers phones

Where did you see rogers does not have CIQ ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] vampyre730:
love ics

i love ics im on SKYICS 4.2E-17(ULCE2) 6/18/12 want to try his new one
[Motorola Droid X2] unknownuseraccount:
Ok I recently installed Eclipse ROM on my MMX2 phone hoping it would increase the speed and extend the battery life, but no noticeable change in either of those categories. I use my phone alot and understand that is part of my battery drain, but I have noticed when using my phone to either surf the www or play a game or even talk on it, the heat is almost too much where I can barely hold the phone without thinking i am going to burn my hands.

Today I actually paid more attention to it and took the back battery cover off and it was surprisingly cool to the touch, even the battery wasn't hot, but below that it was scorching!! The heat is radiating from near the speaker cover (my speaker isn't near as loud as my friends Droid-X but that's a different issue for a different topic).

Does anyone else experience this issue with either the MMX2 or the DX2? I assume they are very similar phones.

Thanks!

Lee
[Motorola Droid X2] twobrare:
I have a Milestone X2 and my phone has never gotten hot where I can't touch it. It gets warm when i am playing a game or something. You might have a bad connection with your speaker. Take notice if it gets warm when you listen to something? While charge or only if you are using your phone with a game.

But generally I have not experienced this with my phone. I would let someone take a look at it! I work at a Cell phone store and I have heard of devices getting so hot that it physically did burn an individual. The phone itself did this because one of the servos where not attached properly.

I would also try a different charger...
[Motorola Droid X2] 754boy:
The only time mine gets really warm is when I'm constantly using wifi. Other than that its cool.
[Motorola Droid X2] coolpoete:
A big culprit of the DX2 overheating is the Flash software. Check to see if you have Flash 11 installed. Others who have had this issue have either removed it or used a previous version of Flash.