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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
Storage us non volitile. Ram is. Ram is constantly distroyed andbcreated. Ram is also in constant use; being written to and read from millions of times a second while the storage is not, storage is also only accessed when you open an app, send a text etc. So when the phone is asleep the storage is off its in sleep as where the Ram is still running away. Why's that? Well because when the storage goes to sleep it stores everything into the ram and since ram never sleeps its there for instant wake up. The ram in most phones is DDR2 so about .8 volts. I'm just wondering since galaxy note ram is the same manufacture and type as the sgsiii if both gigs are .8 volts or 1.5volts. A battery drain test with normal use would tell me that.

Edit**

Better way to explain it. Storage is long term. Ram is in the "now". Storage houses the data sends it to ram ram then sends it to cpu then to the screen.

Because of this the storage is accessed only once and placed into ram. The ram houses the application (like all of angry birds). So, its loaded in the ram from the storage. Every next level is loaded via the ram not the storage. Faster the ram faster the loading.

In theory more ram causes more power draw. Hence why with a normal tower computer 800watt power supply is good for gaming with 8-16 gig (depends amd or Intel) but if you want 32 gig+ of ram you need a 1200 watt psu or higher. Also why better/more ram increases system response and fluidity. But also sips more power.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] droidiac13:
I agree. He should also take Archer's moderator spot!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Guster730:
I can load web pages and all my apps perfectly smooth. I really don't think it's necessary. Could you run quadrant and post a screenshot? Just curious about the phone. The one thing that is a huge turnoff for me is the screen. If it was as good as the One X's I'd probably get it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I'll be honest it is definitely not as good as OneX but its much better than Galaxy Nexus and actually pretty good. Worth taking a look yourself
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Guster730:
I'll probably check it out tomorrow if they have a demo unit at the AT&T store. If I really want I think I could still return my One X, not sure it's worth doing though.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I haven't used it enough to compare everything but performance (memory aside) is comparable. OneX seems smoother using latest RUU in some apps and GS3 in others. Its a toss up
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
For the person that asked here is Quadrant. Bone stock. Tons of crap running in the background.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Guster730:
I lost by 7 :( Although I've ranged from anywhere between 4500 and 5200.

In any case, performance is similar. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] seh6183:
Yes but the ram is all integrated. Its not like there are two separate sticks that are sucking power. Its all in one, so I doubt just increasing the size would increase power drain.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tx3kgtman:
I don't get this. Please explain. To me your telling us that multitasking is working like it is supposed to on the s3. We all know the hox has software problems that affect multitasking. Every phone I've had has been 1 gig of ram and it ran apps (multitasking) just as you described.

In the picture you show nothing special. That extra one gig is setting there. Now if you can provide a shot of it consuming 1 gig of ram or more then ill be sold.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Look at the graphic at the bottom. Where the gray area shows cached apps. Out of the 1GB, most is being used to cache apps.

Here's a screenshot from SystemPanel that shows 350MB free because the other 600MB is being used for cache. Get it now?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
Ah cool. The batt MV I should have asked just for that. For the chip with the 2gb ram is using about 150-200 more mv's to run it. So aprox eduguess 10-20 minutes faster battery drain overall.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] seh6183:
Overall as in what? Per day?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pratik5705:
I am sure when GS4 comes out with 4GB of RAM, everyone will compare and say wow 4GB of Ram is much better, and it sure will be. I remember the first week of the HOX release how people were moaning about the multitasking being so bad. After reading all those posts, I was convinced that I needed to return the phone because multi tasking was soo bad.

Thankfully I desisted, and I really love the phone. Sure 2 gb ram,micro sd would have made the phone better, no doubt. But, after 2 months with this phone, I cant say that I really need those features. So bottom line, dont let the marketting convince you that you need a phone with those extra features... Decide for your self....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rquinn19:
How did you fix the multitasking? I wouldn't call multitasking an unneeded feature. And don't tell me 1.85 fixed it. I'm not on the SGS3 bandwagon or the 2GB ram bandwagon. Just want my HOX to perform like it should and like it's capable of. ie. listen to music and and browse the web send a text or email and download an app without my music cutting off
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
Most custom roms fix it. I havent had a problem since I flashed a custom Rom. I listen to music 24/7 and have never had it stop.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
Yes. Per day. That was my big question with the SGSIII.

I'd have to the screen before I decide anything but sounds good so far.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rquinn19:
I know and I'm happy with my One X now, but it shouldn't be necessary for such a basic feature. My dad doesn't want a custom rom and a lot of people feel that way. I'm just playing devils advocate with a lot of this because people just don't seem to admit that HTC has some work to do. First on the list would be releasing source. Not sure why that's always so difficult for them especially with ATT phones.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
Yeah, I understand my wife hates when I root her phone, not to mention custom Rom it(not that I blame her, it always causes problems for her).

I think at&t has a lot to due with holding out source as long as possible. They hate the costomer having any form of control.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ErikWithNoC:
Multitasking was a bit of a bother when I was running the stock 1.82 RUU, but since I've unlocked, rooted, and updated to CleanROM 3.0 SE my multitasking has been working extremely well. I can leave games, send a text, come back to see it right where I left off, Chrome doesn't reload everytime I come back to it, etc. I'm sure 1gig of extra RAM will improve multitasking, but I haven't seen a need for it really in my use. I never find myself wishing I could run more apps in the background, but I haven't used the GSIII yet. I do know that I dislike SAMOLED screens though, too much saturation for me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Quit actin like me bro... :cowboy: Op said he was having a hard time deciding. Have you thought anymore about it? :highfive:

And by the way the OP is completely correct about the more ram being extremely helpful. especially if you are multitasking... And everybody multitasks, just some not as intense as others. 2gb would fix all of our (multitasking) problems. Heres hoping for a hox2 with 64gb storage and 2+gb ram :) :victory:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] designgears:
I dont think it will fix the s-off issues ;)

lol @ who ever posted that android central ram article, don't think he read it, or the op.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
No no maybe not. But we wouldnt worry about it as much..:cyclops:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rquinn19:
I said the same thing about ATT and source before. It's either ATT or Apple they're scared of. Not sure what's holding HTC back, but Samsung doesn't seem to care about unlocked bootloaders or releasing source. I think they really got it right with how they're releasing a corporate friendly sgs3 (forget what their actual term for it was)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
True, but at least we know that they have to give us source within 90 days of launch, or is it 120.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
90.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
3 months is a long time for source. This is my first ATT android. it is taking the longest by far...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
3 months is a long time, we are almost there. Motorola also waits as long as possible, I have had the matrix, and atrix 2 both had the same issue.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Yes, GS3 has 2 gigs of RAM, but the One X (according to Anandtech, which is pretty scientific about this stuff), has better battery life in every dimension, better camera for low light, AWB, and sharpness, better calibrated screen with better white point with higher white brightness.

The big advantage the GS3 has, stock to stock, is better video recording, removable battery and microSD, generally smoother stock ROM (yes, TW may not be beautiful aesthetically but under the hood it is incredibly optimized), and 2 GB of RAM.

Really, the two big things that the One X misses is just microSD expansion and 2 GB of RAM. More RAM would mean that no one would ever complain about multitasking, but 4.0 and 1 GB of RAM seems to mean that it will just end up having to suspend apps to RAM/storage more often.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] the_scotsman:
If people are buying one phone over another simply because it has more RAM, then the world has really gone mad :silly:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Perhaps, but HTC next year needs 2 GB of RAM or more, and at least 16 GB internal and microSD with UHS-1 and exFAT support. Allocating something like 8 gigs to the system would be okay if there's microSD, I'd rather ensure that there is plenty of space for the OS and applications rather than more internal storage, as long as I can move everything to a microSD if it doesn't need to have fast access.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
I know this doesn't really apply to this 2gb aspect but I just got back from s friends and he had the sgsIII. He's returning it for the one x now after he compared both side by side. My is a custom rom, nocturnal. The blacks in his SGSIII suffer from the black crush. Movies weren't as bright as they were on the one x. Multitasking the sgsIII won it hands down. But he compared my battery 19 hours on with 4 hours screen on time 1 hour phone calls and 34% battery left. He had about an hour screen on time 1:30 hour phone call and 27% battery left. So the multitasking does destroy the battery. Also the screen does dim when he looks at it. Also won't call the contact when he puts it to his ear. It has bugs software will fix. But I think the battery drain comes from the sensors always having to be on like with the iPhone 4s and siri issue.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Yeah you're right because everyone uses their phone the same way and having choices is bad. :rolleyes:

I don't get why people always run to the defence of their phone like its their kid or something. Lol.

If you are happy with your HOX then awesome its an amazing phone. Its just not for me. The better design, camera and battery are overshadowed by the poor memory management. Its not just multitasking. Some apps don't work properly because they keep getting terminated in the background. One of my biggest annoyances is I'd be using Flip board on the OneX and click on something to launch the browser. Many times when I'd back out the browser Flip board would have been killed so it would take a while to load and it would have forgotten which articles I had read or not. This never happens on GS3.

Or one time I was buying something on my phone and was on checkout page but needed to look up CC info in 1Password. Had spent time filling out all this info and I hit home went to 1Password and came back to browser and boom reload. Lost everything because the refresh broke the session. Super annoying. Again. Doesn't happen on GS3.

Also playing a game and you get a phone call or text message so I want to answer and come right back. Many times on HOX (even with custom ROM) the game will restart. GS3 is no problem.

So these are examples of day to day cases where it makes a difference to me. There are many others I could list.

Its not the HOX fault or even HTC, for most people the HOX is fantastic but for how I use my phone the GS3 does a better job.

I'm selling my HOX so if you know anyone who's interested have them check it out. Its sim unlocked and BL unlocked.

Thanks.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dkirchik:
All completely valid and true. I'm not much of a phone gamer. There's a few games. I'm waiting for kernel to come out for the HOX and att because of a certain issue I'm having may have me exchange to the SGS III. I just know one forum member who wouldn't be able to stand the SGSIII. Sorry MetalHead it does 'clicky'.

But a question how are the blacks on yours? Do the grey out/crush?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
By clicky you mean it makes a noise when pressed? I must be lucky mine doesn't do that at all. The build quality is superb but maybe I just got a good one :D

Blacks and color saturation are great, no issues for me personally. Whites however look terrible compared to HOX but I already knew that would happen.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
The One X(L) is on multiple GLOBAL carriers not just AT&T and source isn't out for any of them. just sayin'

This is typical HTC foot dragging.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nikorette:
Don't you have the overpriced Qualcomm LTE Korean sgs3? Sorry but if I need to have 20 apps cached ill take a laptop. How could someone need 20 processes cached. At the speed which the t3 currently runs it takes 0.8 seconds longer to open a non cached prossess. Like I said its a phone not a laptop
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] live4nyy:
I'm glad someone said it because I was thinking it had no relevance to the discussion here.

Just got done reading the entire thread and I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation that can be insisted in just one day. Of all the "claims" people are making, that was the only link(evidence) that was given, and yet, it was not pertinent to the conversation.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ChongoDroid:
Y'all posting in a troll thread

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
How is it a troll thread? This is valid for any phone with 1GB...including the International GS3. As you can see from this thread, the international GS3 with 1GB of RAM has the SAME issues as HOX with mutlitasking,etc. 2GB > 1GB no matter what phone.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=27782857#post27782857
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] whodat006:
http://phandroid.com/2012/06/22/htc...mor/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Maybe HTC is listening....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Yeah exactly. Watch all the people in this thread saying I'm trolling and are fine with 1GB will all buy their next phone with 2GB and rave about how much better it is then. :rolleyes:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] aimetti:
Some serious hox fanoyism in this thread.

On that note my free memory hardly goes lower than 200 mb. However I'd gladly take 2 gb.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Saneless One:
You realize it doesn't go below 200 because HTC kills off everything aggressively, right? It also means barely anything gets to stay in memory.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] corythug:
Mine stays around there with adjusted minfrees and doesn't kill everything anymore on cleanROM. pretty stoked on that.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Not to derail this thread but I think the hox multitasking is fine on cleanrom 3.0. Ive been playing Pandora while reading xda and clicking on YouTube links. Pandora pauses, YouTube plays, I click back and xda is right where I left it and Pandora resumes exactly where it left off. The reason I brought this up is because the phone just went flying accidentally and smacked against my knee, pulling out the headphones and my knee closed Pandora most likely. I restarted Pandora and it resumed playing. So its not like the memory management is killing everything (assuming cleanrom is installed).
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
Fanboyism? Well no ****.. You posted in..... HTC One X forums. This thread is more of a f u guys, my sgs3 is better. This thread should move to the sgs3 forums
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jtwlbz:
Samsung is a lot better build quality than HTC in general.

i just don't like their amoled screen...that was the only reason i went with one x.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Yeah.. uh... Ima have to go ahead and disagree with you there.. and if you could come in on Sunday that'd be great...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
I would disagree also, most HTC phones are sturdy, don't feel cheap and a lot are made out of metal. Most Samsung's I have used are cheap and plastic feeling, example, SGS 2, not lte version, the captivate glide is all cheap plastic. Generally HTC phones are sturdy.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
This is a joke, right?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanbmw51:
I'm sorry if I'm being retarded here and I didn't read the whole thread but does anyone see anything weird about this screenshot from my one x?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
What do I win if I get the answer correct?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanbmw51:
Yellow highlighter in the shape of a miniature penguin...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
That's internal storage, not ram.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Deal! The ramz is too dam high.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
Are you confusing your internal storage with your SD storage perhaps?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanbmw51:
Yeah. Um an idiot. Thought I was looking at this lol. I'll go away now. See ya when there's an updated aokp...where are you team insomnia?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nuwayman:
just might get what your asking for. Just read about a rumor of a possible HTC xxl. 4.7 HD screen with quad core krait CPU. 2gb ram and adreno 320. Read it at gsmarena.com. if this is true then that phone could kick some serious butt with the competition.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Maybe next year.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
And I will be purchasing that bad boy at the full unsubsidized price as soon as it's available.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
we can pray that this is the HTC Nexus One X and buy it from Google in November :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
icwutudidthar :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] live4nyy:
You guys have one heck of a "Bro-mance" going on... :laugh:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
lol well there's a few of us that seem to spend practically every waking moment on xda...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tehdef:
Stop posting on xda right now.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
I know, right?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] andyl66:
How much screen on time do you get with the s3 before you need a recharge?

I keep reading reports about battery life but no reports on screen on hours.

My one x can do 3 days without a recharge but I only ever get 4 hours screen on time. If gaming this is reduced.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Meh, both are pretty much a wash. Samsung might be better this generation in terms of defective phones, as they played it safe and basically are doing nothing new in terms of production, while HTC had a radical change, so they're still dealing with that.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tx3kgtman:
Sense > touch pos
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tehdef:
You stop posting too, because to made no point in your run-on sentence.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maverick_John:
Im not sure what everyone in this thread is going on about it seemed derailed from Ram to hardware comparisons in every other department but the RAM.

All i have to say is, if the extra 1g of RAM means my One XL stops switching off my apps in the multi tasking menu, i'll gladly accept it. People should not have to resort to Custom Roms to get the proper android experience.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CZ Eddie:
I've got the HOX and SIII also.

I'm seeing real-world noticeable differences with the 2GB RAM in several applications.

It's also why the HOX is getting 2GB later this year with the HOX-XXL version.

No BS, 2GB RAM actually made a real difference.

I'll take it over a 1GB quad-core any day.

Really do like the screen & beauty of the One X though. :good:

---------- Post added at 04:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:25 AM ----------

Btw, I have a torture test for cellphones.

The One-X, Skyrocket and Quad-Core SIII all failed it.

The 2GB SIII aced it.

The torture test is a forum thread with 50 posts and each post contains a GIF.

The 2GB SIII flies through the GIF's without any studdering.

The 1GB quad core SIII, HOX and Skyrocket all studder a little bit here and there.

But a CM9 quad-core SIII also aced it (from what someone told me).

So a quality ROM can make all the difference in the world.

So don't give up your HOX just yet.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I used it pretty hard yesterday and I've only had it since Friday so battery hasn't had time to optimize yet. I got 4.5 hrs of screen time and 16hrs total of battery use. I think I can get more in normal use. I had been installing apps and trying a lot of games.

I'm happy with 4hrs of screen time. That's what I could squeeze out on my HOX. Although obviously more is better.

I haven't tried the power saving mode yet either. Heard that could really extend things.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ASavva:
Feels better because its slimmer? Please elaborate on the "slimmer".

As I'm aware there is basically no difference in the thickness of the phone?

Unless you can "somehow" tell the difference between 8.9mm vs 8.6mm (0.3mm)

Sent from my HOX using my fingers
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I meant width. The OneX is wider and boxier. The GS3 is not as wide and rounded so it feels better in your hand.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] robstunner:
The only reason the S3 feels better at hand is be cause it's got a softer feel with a much more rounded design. It doesn't look as good as the One X because of this but it is nice to hold.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ASavva:
Wrong again I'm afraid.

HTC One X - 69.9mm

Sammy galaxy S3 - 70.7mm

Galaxy is yet bigger again. Your imagination is playing up :rolleyes:

Sent from my HOX using my fingers
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Dude. I don't give a **** what the numbers say. I'm telling you how it feels in my hand and the Gs3 feels much more comfortable to hold than the OneX for me. :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ASavva:
Samsung fanboy club is that way ---->

Sent from my HOX using my fingers
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Lol. Grow up. Because I prefer one phone over another, both of which I own I'm a fan boy?

Really? :rolleyes:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ASavva:
No, because you're quoting that the galaxy s3 feels better because it is slimmer/thinner when it isn't.

Just say that you prefer the feel of the galaxy S3 in general, not because It's thinner.

Sent from my HOX using my fingers