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[Nokia Lumia 900] alodar1:
You know, I want to say I agree with you, but I don't. What are your choices>?>? IPhone, Android. Both do the same thing, both have the same or worse problems, both have good points and bad. Android does this so often, on dozens of devices, its not even news anymore.

So why back yourself into a philosophical cornor that you will find it hard to move away from? You'll get something new, that will run great on your device. Do you really want something that doesn't run great on your device...because of hardware spec? Maybe instead of calling it 7.8, they should have called it 8.0 lite, for 2nd gen devices only.

I'm not trying to make light of your concern. But surely you see the direction. Surely you do NOT see better options. Going to Verizon and grabbing a Razor MAXX or Galaxy blow up in your pants S, will not make you happy. Heck...the Motorola people, along with Verizon...just did this exact same thing to Bionic, then Razor customers, not 6 months ago, with the Razor MAXX. You going to trust them???

Calm down and think it through. If, IF WP8 was available for the 900, then what?

You still would not be able to use some of the features for the complete lack of hardware. Your device would still not be able to push some code, that was designed for higher processor, even dual core. The result would be lag and degraded performance. Some NFC capabilities would not be available, if not all. Many of the other 'new' features would suffer similar comparisons. Would you want that?

Many of the things that wow me about wp8 are simply updated or upgraded hardware. Its progress many of us talked about here and other places. Can we really be mad at them for drawing what many think of as a reasonable line?
[Nokia Lumia 900] hx4700 Killer:
Native Code Execution. Period. Done, nuff said. That doesnt come through then what the F**K have I been wasting my time with?
[Nokia Lumia 900] awagner:
Native code??? Doesn't that kinda go beyond the idea of I am not getting WP8 on my Lumia??? Somebody tell me does iPhone let you do that... I am pretty certain Andriod does, but I think that is why it suffers some of the same problems as Windows Mobile... one bad program... and BLAM your phone sucks!
[Nokia Lumia 900] hx4700 Killer:
Read oh uninformed one: shared native code between Windows Phone 8 and Windows

P.S... why the F**K does everyone keep bringing up the godamn iPhone? I just want what was promised when I adopted this OS. I would have gone to android had I not been led on by MS statements and promises. Im talking well over a year ago......
[Nokia Lumia 900] sitizenx:
$200 more for an iphone?!

You are going to ditch your free 4.7 inch screen, LTE wireless, brand new phone for a 3.5 inch screen nonLTE phone for $200?! Did I hear you right? :confused:
[Nokia Lumia 900] hx4700 Killer:
I don't think the CEO can fix anything for him on this one man.....

People don't like to get f**ked so soon after buying a phone and react how they will...
[Nokia Lumia 900] sitizenx:
Which CEO?!

The Lumia 900 and the iphone 4s are what they are. And neither of them is WP8 compatible. I do not understand ditching a phone you like so you can pay $200 for a phone that was your second choice anyway. Doesn't make sense to me. My Lumia 900 still turned on this morning when I woke up. Text messages, phone calls, and emails still came in. Nokia drive is still operational. What has changed? :confused:
[Nokia Lumia 900] sakenfenc:
First things first , Microsoft said it will update all phones to wp8, you just can't expect to NFC and micro sd support if you don't have it , after all Apple has been doing those updates forever nothing new ... the Apple server detects your phone and sends you the update , same thing here !!!

sounds like you have been looking for a reason to defect and now you got......
[Nokia Lumia 900] Zhariak:
Dude, I'm pissed as well. I also shelled out $600 bucks only to get a phone that as of a few days ago, is now considered old news/obsolete!

I was a hardcore WP7 guy, hardcore MS guy. I've converted tons of people to Lumia 900s, and now I'm embarrassed I mis-guided them, anddddd I'm out 600 bucks.

I cringe when I say this, but I'm probably dumping my Lumia/WP7 and going to the other side...
[Nokia Lumia 900] awagner:
I am the uninformed one? What is the title of this thread?????? Hmm Really c-mon now.
[Nokia Lumia 900] Vandam500:
Rofl so much denial hahaha.
[Nokia Lumia 900] kenikh:
If there's one immutable truth about XDA...where there's a will, there's a way. Someone will cram a custom WP8 ROM onto the Lumia 900 and not only will the performance not suck, it'll fly. So MSFT says it can't be done? Bu!!$hit.

I've seen it happen with every popular device. It'll happen here, too.
[Nokia Lumia 900] xsever:
No unlocked bootloader or registry tweaking yet for the Nokia Lumia 900.

I hope you are right, but things aren't looking too promising.
[Nokia Lumia 900] yaiba60:
I call this update path is big BS. For the record, I own three lumia 900s.

First off, the Lumia 900 will be six MONTHS old by the time wp8 spawns. Now what does it get? A new start screen. When the iphone 4, which is 1 year older than the 4S and has inferior specs, received the full new OS minus only Siri which is hardware related. Whoever buys android knows very well the update path is cloudy yet they are used to it, plus there are tons of developers around, PLUS the damn droid pretty much does more than every neccesary stuff since gingerbread.

WP7, on the other hand, is still incomplete compared to the other two OSes in terms of apps AND built in features (IE9 is lackluster, no forward button, really?), no complete multi-tasking like others have stated. I used to defend microsoft because I think they do something different. Now I think they simply jammed some half-assed closed system into different phones and promised uniform update, which occured ONCE (7.0 to 7.5). And no, droid phones nowadays are powerhouse with plenty of juice in them to run without noticable lag. And don't even mention iOS, each phone is at least able to run TWO major updates during its lifetime (e.g., 3GS on 4.2.1). MS said to use minimum hardware which is 2 years old, for fcking what? FOR NO UPGRADE EXCUSE!

I relate MS to GM and Apple to Japanese car makers. What GM did was to make some engines that was set to go out after 100k miles, so that people had to grab a new car. Well people got pissed and went with Japanese cars because they "run forever" and don't mind getting a newer one when they have enough money because they know japanese cars are RELIABLE. Everyone knows GM nearly got bankrupt because their products didn't last. I hate to admit but Apple did make their mobile products LAST; whereas MS brought a fcking incomplete WP7 to the table hoping to compete against two completed ones, nice move! I don't care how fast WP7 can do daily craps like fb and mails in seconds; I care about what it can and cannot do compared to others. Without a doubt, iphone and droid both outnumber wp7 in features AND form factors (in droid's case). I'm no apple guy I'll stick to my dual-core HTC Vivid.

I am sure many WP backers are pissed, only a few still feel happy. MS makes one guy happy and 8-9 others angry, how does this help with advertising, I wonder. Bad reputation is not easy to clear and wp certainly won't get the "words by mouth" priviledges like android got. I know I won't back WP any longer. I might buy desktop W8 and the Surface (because of flash integration, something Apple refused to do). For WP, well maybe enough sheeps buy into it and it becomes a well established OS, until then I will stick to droid.
[Nokia Lumia 900] C0mbe:
Not trying to stir the pot, and I for one feel like 900 users are getting the shaft, but...

There is no guarantee when you purchase a phone it will be upgraded to the latest software, you aren't entitled to an upgrade. You are entitled to support for a reasonable period of time, which MS FT is providing in the form if 7.8.

Secondly, the Lumia 900 is still a fantastic phone, but did you really think it would be upgraded to 8? We've known for months 8 was designed for dual core phones. Personally I'd rather have a piece of hardware designed to run my software. This is fully evident on iOS devices. Sure apple may upgrade older devices but it usually runs very poorly - iOS 4 on a 3GS was a nightmare of lag and Force closes.

Personally I'd rather be running a slightly less souped up version of the OS designed for my phone.

And as some have already said, someone on XDA will figure out how to cram it on and make it run better than launch devices.
[Nokia Lumia 900] momin16:
Very easy for you to say since you have a Droid Razr and all Jelly Bean/ICS apps work on your phone. Not the case with Wp8 and lumia 900
[Nokia Lumia 900] gbjohnson:
I just feel like this is their thanks for buying their best device. And there only reply is "look at the tiles! Just ignore the sudden influx of fully featured apps from windows 8. But you still have the apps you have now. So its ok? We are doing more than enough."
[Nokia Lumia 900] jbhorner:
There certainly are some frustrations listed here. I have to admit that I, too, am annoyed by the knowledge that the next Windows Phone OS will not be compatible with the handset that I purchased two months ago.

I think the comparisons with iOS and Android are very relevant here, so I'm not sure why people think they are not. The reality is that people who bought the Lumia 900 are going to be stuck in time. I'm sure that Nokia will have bug fixes, etc. for the current OS, above and beyond 7.8 (which I agree is little more than a bad joke). But, in terms of new application support, and better OS features--it's just not going to happen for the Lumia 900. Most application developers will be writing software to utilize APIs that are unique to the newer operating system, and will not likely focus much/any attention on legacy devices for backwards compatibility. They have finite resources, and would be silly to write software that is compatible with both WP8 and WP7, as WP7's installed base isn't going to be formidable when compared to WP8. So, not only will Lumia 900s not have access to the latest OS features, the software titles available for them will shrink on a percentage basis as software publishers write software for WP8.

Comparing this with iOS and Android, I cannot think of a situation that I've seen where a phone has been completely orphaned within the span of six months (roughly). When Apple released iOS versions alongside newer hardware, only certain features were slated as incompatible with older versions of hardware. (3GS had some unique features that weren't available on the 3G, 4S had some unique features that the 4 did not, etc.). On Android phones, the later versions could work on earlier hardware--but was often delayed due to manufacturer and/or carrier inefficiencies. But, the later stuff could be used on the earlier hardware. Not so with the WP8 and Lumia. So, I have to side with the folks that feel peeved about this.

Someone mentioned that they wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't file a legal action as a result of that. I can totally seeing that happen. Microsoft knew this limitation a LONG time ago. Microsoft and Nokia have worked hand in hand a LONG, LONG time ago. It would be foolish for anyone to think this caught Nokia by surprise. This said, Nokia acted less than ethically by not squashing any thought that there might be an upgrade path. There simply isn't.

Joel
[Nokia Lumia 900] aquanaut88:
+1

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...s-office-on-ipad-windows-phone-upgrades/12101

This was posted 05-March. I've found a new respect for those who came out early and stated it wasn't happening. The last comment in that blog by windowseat nails it perfectly...
[Nokia Lumia 900] makark:
I started with a palm pre as my first smartphone, and for a few months it was the coolest thing I had ever seen - nothing else compared. Until I met the iPhone 4 , it was my moms and it was completely smashed but I bought a new screen and replaced it myself, it finally died a year later ad I bought the galaxy s2 skyrocket a week before the note came out so I traded back up and bought the note. THEN I saw the Nokia lumia 900 the coolest smartphone I had ever seen and I bought it off contract and I've enjoyed it for the last month and a half. I don't regret it even after the windows phone 8 announcement . I bought into windows phone 7 knowing it was only the beginning and I fully knew I wouldn't be getting all the apps I did on ios but I loved the phone because of how beautiful and simple it is. Im excited for the new skin because I never planned on having the same media on windows I love this phone because its a smartphone and the release of winded phone 8 didn't make it any less of one . You all bought the Nokia lumia 900 and windows phone 8 doesn't take it away so why are you upset . Your phones still new , its not outdated and it won't be "obsolete" it was released this year . Its simply a different phone not a predecessor .
[Nokia Lumia 900] awagner:
Updates today

With the new cam updates and the fully released play to app, it really doesn't bother me. Nokia has shown commitment to the phone like no other company. After all I have been through with my HD7 (Pretty much an HD2 clone) to my Radar, the best part of that was the camera oddly enough... in low light I could out perform any Andriod or iPhone on the market without constant toying with settings. I could shoot ridiculous panaramas with ease. Nokia is starting to make the phone really fun to have. To me that is what should matter. Start enjoying what is and let go of what will be.
[Nokia Lumia 900] makark:
^agreed
[Nokia Lumia 900] mike21pr:
Even though I understand why Microsoft broke compatibility for WP8, gotta admit that the 'Beta Tester' marketing really bit Nokia in the ass lol
[Nokia Lumia 900] tai4de2:
You bought a phone and by your own admission loved it for 2 months. Then you hear RUMORS about upgrades... which eventuate as your device getting a new start menu, a raft of Nokia apps, and who knows what else -- you know, ACTUAL SUPPORT from Nokia.

And you start crying about having been short-changed when that reality doesn't live up to RUMORS you heard after you already had been loving your device for months.

I don't get it.
[Nokia Lumia 900] jbhorner:
Shown commitment to the phone like no other company? Because they added functionality to the camera on a phone that has been out for three months? Look at this a year from now, see what they're doing, then make a claim that they are making a commitment.

Taking panoramas with either built-in capabilities (Android 4) or third-party software (iOS) is already there; Nokia is catching up. I don't personally find their low-light camera performance to be any better than other phone vendors. (Take a look at the N8 with it's xenon flash--now that is a low-light monster.)

The point is that many people probably used an upgrade to get this phone, and therefore are going to need to use it for another 1.5 years. There would certainly be an inherent hope that the maturity of the software would certainly follow the maturity of the phone. That hope is dashed when compared to updates that will surely come with WP8.

Joel

---------- Post added at 08:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 PM ----------

Stating the obvious.
[Nokia Lumia 900] xsever:
Another simple fact guys: People buying Windows 7 now can upgrade to Windows 8 in the future for $14.99 only!

No one will rant about this because it's fair!
[Nokia Lumia 900] awagner:
Funny thing happens when you assume.... figure it out. I am sorry, but my Radar was what I was talking about..... not the Lumia when I was talking about the cam. I mentioned HTC (HD7, Radar), and comparing them to their commitment. Nokia has a high commitment to the platform how could you argue that?... another assumption, all I was talking about is a few apps added but you couldn't stop there... no to go full on, you had to assume I bought the phone on a contract.... ever heard of craigslist before? Should check it out sometime. I keep phones as long as I feel like keeping them thank you very much. You flaunt that assumption stick like a half naked prostitute with double D's.
[Nokia Lumia 900] go0gle:
the 808s xenon is twice as powerful + oversampling.. a very adequate set-up overall. Click for full size/original file

n8

808
[Nokia Lumia 900] awagner:
I'm sorry what???
[Nokia Lumia 900] bigwavesurfer4:
Sent Nokia a message telling them how disappointed I was with their decision to lead on their customers...got this reply:

Thank you for emailing the Nokia USA Careline.

"In response to your concern about your Nokia Lumia 900, we are very sorry but we are unable to comment about future software updates for Windows Phones.

We are focused on rolling out our existing range of award-winning Lumia smartphones and having nothing further to announce at present related to future versions of Windows Phone.

We apologize for the inconvenience and we are hoping for your patience and understanding on this matter.

If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. To ensure proper handling of your case, kindly continue using the current subject line."

The way I see it...WP8 is said to be released in the fall. I bet they'll release it in the fall, and the Lumia won't be upgraded till after the holidays. Then they'll give us the response that, "we've supported your device for an entire year!" then send us the same e-mail above saying that they've done mooore than enough for us by giving us half baked software. Brutal
[Nokia Lumia 900] tai4de2:
Nice, except that I still don't see an explanation for why someone who already loved his phone for months was suddenly upset with not getting something he never knew or cared about in the first place.

By his own admission the 7.8 update actually *exceeds* his own expectations.

The whining and dumbassery on the part of the suddenly jilted is comical.
[Nokia Lumia 900] jr97ai:
I wrote them too and received the same response. The funny part is according to this they are not even commenting on the 7.8 update that everyone is talking about. I also wrote Microsoft the same day last week and have yet to receive a response from them.

Finally, an earlier post said it above... 14.99 for upgrade to Windows 8. Why doesn't Microsoft just make people who buy a new PC stick it out with Windows 7 or pay to upgrade... Oh yeah... they know it would slow PC sales until its release....

One final note that I am assuming most people know... In the end remember Microsoft still makes money off every Android handset sold by Samsung and other manufacturers so a phone sold with Android is still money in their pocket.
[Nokia Lumia 900] ballanda123:
All these "open letter" threads are getting a bit dumb. You're gonna go buy an Android, where the new latest and greatest phone (with 6 hour battery life) comes out every 6 weeks?! Or an iPhone, where you'll just be in the same boat again when the iPhne 5 comes out later this year?!

We're living in a era of increasing change in mobile technology. Roll with it or get the hell out of the way.

Why don't you get mad at the real culprit... mobile carriers. The end of the age of the 2-year contract is beyond overdue. They're the ones who have you over a barrel. To me, there's nothing wrong with paying full price for a device that is my daily lifeline to the world. You can always recover a good enough chunk of the old device on eBay to make it worth it.
[Nokia Lumia 900] woodbane:
:good::good:

You sir, speaketh the truth. A voice of reason in the sea of dischord.

All you folks who are whining need to realize you are in the minority. 70%+ of people who are buying Windows phones don't give a rats ass about OS versions, upgrades or any of that - they just want a phone that works and isn't Android or iPhone. A recent survey showed 50% of smartphone owners had never downloaded an app and 20% had downloaded less than 5. So that's 70% of smartphone owners that are non-technical users - unlike just about EVERYONE ON THIS SITE!

To the more technically inclined of y'all that are whining - you get no sympathy from me. The writing on the wall about the move from WP7.5 to WP8 has been there for months, far before the release of the Titan II & L900 - it should have fairly obvious that there was going to be no upgrade path to WP8 for current hardware.

It's not like your TII / L900 just stopped working is it? Get the most out of the device until WP8 comes out and then either sell it and get a WP8 device off contract or bottle it and wait until your upgrade is next due.

Honestly - all the petulant open threaded whining needs to stop. Get over it already!

The point above about 2 year contracts is probably the most relevant I've seen since the whining began. If carriers weren't so busy raping Joe Public for two years then we'd all be able to upgrade a little more often at the cost of slightly higher initial purchase price.
[Nokia Lumia 900] agp64:
Think it’s about time you Americans stop signing 2 year contracts it’s the only way the Telco companies are going to change the way they get you.

Glad I am living in Thailand at the moment where all options are open to us. :)

I paid $530 us for my 900 and can upgrade whenever I want.:D
[Nokia Lumia 900] eknutson:
I'll probably get flamed for this statement too, but I actually benefit from the contract price of phones. I upgrade roughly every 18 months which is when I'm eligible with AT&T anyway, I don't see me going to a different carrier since AT&T meets my needs, and I can upgrade in the middle by paying full price for a phone anyway. In the end, I get the phone I want when I want, the carrier I've already chosen, and I get a price break for my phones. So I actually end up on top ;)
[Nokia Lumia 900] hvbelton:
:good:

Amen. A voice of reason in an otherwise totally useless thread :laugh:
[Nokia Lumia 900] efektos:
While this is true (I myself ordered my Lumia 900 from the UK and payed a total sum equivalent to 940$ USD), the US cellular market is different from most countries, as some people can't choose whichever carrier they want but are forced to choose between 2 carriers at most, as their area (living/working) doesn't have any cellular-network coverage at all other than the one supplied by those 2 carriers...

You can sometimes subscribe to one carrier and while you have coverage at home - when you go to work you don't...

But I agree in general - buying a cell-phone from a carrier is BAD. Here in Israel most of the people don't do that anymore, and we have laws and regulations to support us with it (carriers are allowed to sell cell-phones but they have to sell them unlocked, and they're not allowed to sell you plans on contracts, etc.).
[Nokia Lumia 900] AnyMal:
Simple math will show that you actually lose money, lot's of money, by overpaying significantly for your service. I am not going to flame you, you'r free to ake your own choices, but I'll show you how I approach this. This is based on cheapest individual voice account.

Post-paid: New GS3 $230 (199 + tax + activation) + $2160 (450 min/unl text/3GB data X 24 months) = $2,390 which does not include all the taxes and fees you'll pay each month.

Straigh Talk pre-paid: New GS3 $585 ($550 + tax) + $1080 ($45 unl plan x 24 months) = $1,665 and there are no additional fees each month

So, as you can see the difference is more then significant.