yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Where was I ripping AOKP....?? Lol

And it is just my opinion. And I will share it.

Simply facts of life, not everything can be learned from just trying things yourself. It's not coincidence people like famous quotes, music, and things that they can learn experiences from, without having been exposed to those things themselves. Although we're talking about simple roms here, same deal applies to life. I like to think big :D

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It's unnecessary but I wanted my phone to go through the same experience as those who were just upgrading would. I reflashed stock, ran it for an hour or so before upgrading. Also, pretty sure the flashable UCLE5 has a custom kernel in it. So that's not the same experience as stock.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] tylerdurdin:
What you experience on a Rom others may never see....it is all random. If you flashed Tasks Rom then you have read the thread.....half the bugs or any other glitch no one else experiences. Same with battery life I know people who get 3 hours screen on from the same Rom and kernel.....as I am running and I can get 5 hours screen on consistently.

Nobody's phone runs the same therefore your input will hardly be helpful and not to mention Rom comparison threads get locked in two seconds because of this.

And if you read my post you would have seen that I wrote that "I didn't necessarily think you were going to rip AOKP"....in no way was I accusing you of anything.

Your comparison will only make noobs think they will have the same experience you did....which is highly unlikely.....

Edit: just read that you are relatively new here....don't start off on the wrong foot with bad nOOb food....spend more time reading....it will serve you way better.

Sent from........Somewhere In Time
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Oh yeah my B, I completely misread that haha, I'm really tired from work.

I appreciate the comments, but I like to feed the hungry. And I'm also impatient hah. I could sit here and observe the forum (I had for a little while) for a couple years before starting to post things. But I see no point in that since I never plan to start programming (anything worth considering programming), which means I'll never truly be able to contribute "worthy" things to the thread. So might as well give the best opinions I can, cus it may help some. I most definitely probably shouldn't post the review I'm going to on this thread, for the "not to mention Rom comparison threads get locked in two seconds because of this." reason you mentioned above (although I won't necessarily be comparing it to other roms...sorta), but I feel like it will hold some value, and I feel like that's more important. If it's of use, and holds value, I should be able to post it. So I wills.

Btw I disagree with you on the every rom runs completely differently for everyone. Yeah certain people have certain kinks of their own, just like people do with cars...and such. But generally (probably 85%+) of the things are actual problems with the rom/kernel, not just person specific. This is assuming full wipe and stuff has been done (as lack there of is what 75% of the problems mentioned in beginning rom threads are caused by). I'm not planning on mentioning that my email causes FC, lol, just gonna give a good overall analysis of the product.

But yeah completely disagree that everything is random. Nothing is random. Things are caused by everything you do. Not all processors are the same, but 10 factory reset galaxy s 2's are probably gonna run very similar benchmark tests, cus they're basically the same. Same goes for running a rom. Every possible change (98%+) would probably be due to the variation of apps you have installed, and various data differences between users. That's not random. I'm keeping my phone relatively clean for a reason too, only installing facebook and sms backup to keep the influence low. Just my 2c, not trying to start a tift. Thanks a lot for comments though
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Brazu:
As I said before, 4.0.3 for me is total deception....a lot of crashes, baterry life is awful an lags!

I saw this on twitter.....

http://freedownloadbuzz.org/how-to-...s-custom-rom-on-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-sgh-i777/

Anyone know something about this 4.0.4??????
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pirateghost:
read the dev section...its not official, and AOKP is better....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] marcocore:
I've been running F1 GalaxyNexus for about a month now and I LOVE IT! Pure ICS as designed by Google is so much better than any skinned ROM, in my opinion. Here's a link to the thread if you're interested!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
Potential Brick Warning!!!

As many of you know, it has been considered possible that the dangerous eMMC brick bug which was present in several of the I777 leaks may also be present in the official UCLE5 stock ICS release. However, up to this time, there had been no reports of damage.

Recently, someone seems to have damaged their phone by doing a wipe data/factory reset from a phone with UCLE5 installed and the stock kernel still installed on the phone. Please see this thread. Read the whole thread, but especially pay attention to post #12 by Entropy512, one of our elite developers who is very knowledgable about this phone.

For those who have assumed that the bug must have been fixed in the official UCLE5 release, and still have the stock kernel on their phone, do not do a wipe data/factory reset. You should strongly consider either replacing the kernel with a known safe kernel, or flash the phone to another firmware. For those who prefer to remain on straight stock, it would be best to flash back to Gingerbread UCKH7. Whatever you do, do not do a wipe data/factory reset until after you have flashed to a different firmware.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Slavestate:
Well hopefully more then 5 of us will read that creepy! We should get that stickied for sure since there's so many running stock now that DIDNT use AJs already fixed version (and don't seem to notice that whole dev forum around here).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
The person whose device was bricked has confirmed through testing that a portion of eMMC memory block mmcblk0p10 was damaged, thus giving us confirmation that the emmc brick bug is present in UCLE5.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] BROKKANIC:
Read the bolded red parts, stock ics fans
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Slavestate:
Just curious, I wonder if the brick bug is something that can be fixed with flashing the stock .pit file? Anyone tried it yet?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] powruser:
Crazy that Samsung would release a flawed kernel, especially since XDA has known about it since the leaks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
Did you read the thread I referenced above? In it, Entropy 512 says:

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I think the partitions are fixed, but just different sizes for different phones. I don't believe there is anything like scandisc on windows where the bad sectors can be marked and skipped.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Skv012a:
Sucks to have att sgs2s, huh? Sadly you can seldom beat the discounts they give us for contracts...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] powruser:
Or you can buy the phone outright and get a Straight Talk SIM and pay 45 per month for what postpaid people pay 115 per month for.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captpt:
You mean you don't have to unroot to update to the official ics?

I can update with SHOstock and it's kernel running?

Sent from my GSII w/ICS SHOstock2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pirateghost:
Root and running a custom rom are not synonymous
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
I wish people would understand that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pirateghost:
they wont.

i keep seeing posts start with:

User A:

the only thing i did was root my phone and now this is broken

User B:

root wouldnt cause that

User A:

like i said all i did was root, i mean, i am running customrom_alpha_beta16, but all i did was root
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
User C:

I want to root my phone to the ics.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] f4remix:
i m planning to update mine too~ currently running on AOKP , wanna see how the official look like
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pirateghost:
take a look at stock gingerbread

make some buttons bigger

remove wallpaper scrolling and change recent apps menu

done
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Slavestate:
Don't forget for awhile we had User D:

Help I just flashed this rom on my i727 how come it doesn't boot anymore??

Edit: nvm they're still here! One tried to flash Mystics Pride rom today and bricked his Skyrocket hah..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
The SGS2 is $650 retail, and I pay $60 a month. Not exactly cheaper your way...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] sajp:
I had a similar problem. Tried reinstalling etc. Didn't work.

I eventually left Kies 'hanging' at 100% trying to download the MAC_KIESAGENT.12.06.21.01. overnight. When I got up in the morning it had updated at some point during the night.

Connected my Galaxy Note and it connected to Kies easily.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Decoid:
My Kies finished the update after about one and a half hour.. And it seems to run better now. Before the update I could only synchronize 40-50 songs per time i tried, before the program crashed..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] powruser:
I paid $425 new. I doubt most people pay $60 a month on postpaid AT&T... It's $60 for just the voice part of the plan, LOL.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Slavestate:
$60 is not the cheapest voice plan at all. I pay about 70 a month total for the 450 minute plan AND the old $35 unlimited data with 200 text message plan.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] powruser:
I'm talking about current plans. 450 minutes and 200 texts is a joke. I get unlimited minutes and texts for $45...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] BROKKANIC:
Flash back to stock gb using he return to stock guide. Then follow cc's guide to root with cwm. Preferably step 3a. Mobile Odin or lite is by far the easiest way. From there you'll be in a great place to start flashing custom roms
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
If you want to get off that kernel without going all the way back to stock follow this post. It will allow you to skip flashing all the way back to stock gingerbread and you can then flash anything you want. Safely.http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28763740
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] snipe2nite:
@wgoldfarb This link is your best bet since your already on it...Just make sure you follow Creepys instructions you will be fine Very good to see you like to understand everything before doing anything!!! 2 thumbs uP :good::good: Lots to read stay on top of your game.....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1746181
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] wgoldfarb:
@BROKKANIC: Thanks for the suggestion! I assume you mean the "Return/Unbrick to Stock" guide posted by Entropy512 here? (or the similar guide posted by creepyncrawly here) The instructions say "you might need to wipe data depending on what ROM you were coming from". Since those instructions are to flash UCKH7 (or UCKK6) and I am coming from UCLE5, won't I need to do a wipe and, if so, wouldn't that expose me to the eMMC bug? I am afraid of having to do a wipe in the middle of the process for whatever reason, and bricking my phone... or is this not an issue? As you can tell, I am deathly afraid of the eMMC bug! Also, i assume since I am coming from UCLE5, that I would need to also flash the modem, correct?

@snipe2nite: thanks, trying to read as much as I can, but the problem is that the information i find is sometimes contradictory. Hard to tell what to trust... I am leaning towards using the method you pointed me to, as it seems to minimize the likelihood of forcing me to do a wipe with the unsafe kernel in place. Am I correct?

Thanks everyone for the great and quick feedback. Hopefully my next "problem" will be deciding which ROM to install on my newly rooted phone!

EDIT: Since I cannot yet post on the development forums, i will ask here: If I follow Creepy's instructions to install a stock rooted UCLE5 (the ones suggested by snipe2nite above), is there anything I can do to minimize or eliminate the chances of having to do a wipe mid-process? Any tips or suggestions will be welcome! For example, are there any Apps that might somehow interfere with the flash process, and that would be better removed before starting?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
You should be relatively safe with either option.

If you flash UCLE5 to UCLE5, it is almost fool proof since it is the same base.

If you flash UCLE5 to UCKH7 or UCKK6, in the extremely rare case you got a bootloop, you would already have the Gingerbread firmware, and thus the gingerbread kernel, and you would be safe to do a wipe. If it boots successfully on the first go round, then you can do the wipe after flashing, when you already have the Gingerbread kernel.

You don't need to delete any apps. As far as I can remember, the only folks that have problems with the flash of UCLE5 were coming from an AOSP rom.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] wgoldfarb:
Thank you for the info -- also, in the time I have been reading and lurking here at XDA, I have seen countless threads and posts by you which are always extremely helpful and easy to understand. So, thank you for everything you do to help educate those of us who have lots of learning to do! :good:

Edit: after some more reading I successfully flashed creepycrawly's stock rooted UCLE5 and then replaced the unsafe kernel with siyah kernel. All without having to wipe. What a relief to no longer have the eMMC bug on my device. Now I'm off to learn about all the ICS ROMs out there, and to continue flashing and learning. Thanks to creepyncrawly for the great guides.:thumbup:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Lol good job being the most educated/professional noob I've encountered on this site. Hit me up with a PM if you need any help. I'm not a pro but I've been in the flashing game for a half a year now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
I read this with a wary eye, but kind of went from stock (upgraded, then erased data so that it would even boot to begin with), then erased data again before rooting again and everything's been fine for me. I've flashed serveral roms since the whole experience. No brick, or semi brick or anything close to it. I did the official ICS obviously, not the leak. Just sayin
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
Then your phone doesn't have the bug, other people's phones might though. You never know until you hardbrick

Sent from my Sony Xperia Ion
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Yeah I know, I'm sure other's may have had problems. But no need to scare people away from EVERYTHING SAMSUNG released haha. I'm sure there are problems with the flashable leak, and there may have even been problems with the official samsung ics at first, but if there was at all, they fixed it pretty quick. Just saying, I was technically an "unknowing participent" and I didn't brick my phone by being unaware of the bug. Granted, I don't see why people would flash the leak, when they can get the official one with an extra half hour of work, because of reasons like these, where bricking bugs become a problem...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bdpyo:
What happened to mah colours?

Used kies for official ics update and I don't remember the background being white. I hate it.

Plz halp
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Wasn't it always a white background? Pretty sure on GB before I rooted it was white background with blue messages sent and white messages received. Still miss that design, it's sooo HD looking. Closest thing to Iphone bubbles. Miss it. :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bdpyo:
When I first got the phone it was a black background. :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Hmm, well then I think ICS they changed it to white? I thought it was always white, but I do remember it being a little different when I switched to ICS. I thought it'd been since I hadn't been on stock in so long.

EDIT: If you get Go SMS, you can change the entire theme of messaging. You definitely find a black one there. Just an option
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Slavestate:
In GB the message list was white but the actual conversation window is the same way I remember it..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
Ok yeah that's what I thought. So bdpyo, it was always white :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Out of curiosity, how many people upgraded to the official ics over kies, then rooted anyway? Just wondering.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bdpyo:
I will most likely go this route. Lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bdpyo:
So weird I could have sworn it was black then again I could have been high. Although I don't get high or wait, do I? I can't remember....lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VFT:
I did :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Well, if people are gonna root anyway, why not just download the pre rooted version from the development section? Its the exact same thing, with a safe kernel already installed so you can wipe if you need to. Just thought I'd ask, for curiosity sake. Good luck all, happy flashing !
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Slavestate:
That's exactly how I did it. Didn't even bother with Kies or ATT heh.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
I explained my reason a few pages back. I reverted to stock expecting to re-root after. It's not like rooting is such a big hassle. Takes 15 minutes to re-root. Didn't have to deal with any bricking problem that way either. That was before I realized it was a factor
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] wgoldfarb:
I ended up rooting my phone BECAUSE of the ICS update. I had happily used my phone without rooting until i installed the official ICS upgrade. Never had planned to root, but I disliked AT&T/Samsung's version of ICS so much that decided to root just to get a better ICS ROM. After lots of study and reading I finally rooted and will never look back. In hindsight, if I had known, I would have rooted without doing the official upgrade. Would have been simpler and avoided installing the eMMC bug on my phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] krisqo:
curious

I installed the stock thinking it was amazing, then didnt like it installed root and CWM and got the eMMC bug also. Best and easiest fix I found was the Siyah kernal the used the duel boot option installed the MIUI on seconded rom and it works great, a little bit buggy but I'm unbricked none the less. MIUI is the only rom I can seem to get to work now tho.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VFT:
I was afraid I would screw up my phone...only reason I did it when I did was ny S3 was on its way...that said I wish I would have rooted the S2 a ling time ago and waited on the S3.

I rooted my S3 the second day I owned it :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] VanillaCracker:
You should be able to flash any rom, just make sure you're flashing a equivalent kernel. If you're using siyah it should work with either AOSP/MIUI or Samsung builds.

P.S. Your reason to edit: "bad grammer" is grammatically incorrect. *grammar* :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] krisqo:
Thanks

Thanks I have been playing around and have been able to install different roms today, currently running the phone-bricker 2.5. It runs a little bit smoother, seems to be a little more stable since the EMMC lockup. Also bad grammar give me a little credit I am from WV :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mcclausky:
How's battery life? Any improvements?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] gibby_:
I found it to be a little better, but still not as good as some of the debloated roms.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] damngood98:
ok...i've scanned over the last few pages of this thread, not really sure i like wtf i'm seeing......is it my understanding there's a possible emmc bug when upgrading to the official ice cream? is that why the upgrade currently only available through kies? i'm trying to help someone from work upgrade their phone to ice cream but is it even worth it? don't suggest rooting, it's not an option. but any suggests/tips would be apprecitated, thank you!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Best option is this ROM which is stock UCLE5 from Samsung with a safe kernel without emmc brick bug:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1650948
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Yeah I linked to that thread when this one first started. And most people that did do the official update just ended up flashing something else neway. Darn u

Official updates! !:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
Read this for general information, and here is my considered opinion on the matter.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] wgoldfarb:
If rooting is not an option, and your only choices are between not upgrading our upgrading to AT&T's official ICS, i would probably not do the upgrade. I was very happy with my stock unrooted phone on gingerbread until i did the upgrade to ics. I found AT&T's upgrade to be laggy and disliked it a lot. I don't think you will notice any benefits from upgrading. The upgrade is, in fact, what prompted me to come here and root my phone so i could get rid of it and install something else.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] damngood98:
that's pretty much what i was coming up with.....the phone is a co-workers who's never owned an android before.....she's had it for a couple of months and i only realized the other day she hadn't even started a google account. honestly, i don't think she'll be any less happy staying on gingerbread. i would guess this is why at&t stores won't update your phone then? anyways, thanks for the help all!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nash2018:
Screenshots please!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AJ Newkirk:
I would not trust the stock kernel until source is released (which is not likely to happen) and it has been verified that the bug has been fixed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jack man:
So, does anyone know if Samsung learned their lesson with the Captivate and NOT include bootloaders in this update?

Just curious. I want to see this update, but also want to be able to go back to GB with the noBL version of the return to stock package.

I don't know enough about bootloaders - are GB and ICS bootloaders interchangeable?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] selw0nk:
It got pulled back just like the GB update for the Infuse. I guess we have to wait again.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] thegoob:
okay so i downloaded the file from samsung officially, and its a md5 file, so can i just flash this via odin? im not 100% familiar with odin, but i do know how to work it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] burton813:
i wonder if we will get any custom rom with this firmware :confused::)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] blackplague1347:
Oh, well that's good, I guess. Since Kies refuses to connect to my phone for some damn reason.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] j510:
No one asked. You never had to view this thread let alone comment.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] j510:
You must not know the new features in ics. You can disable or uninstall if allowed the bloatware. It is pretty much no more bloat. If you want to customize the look use Nova. Not everyone dislikes touchwiz. My phone is even faster. How would you know about battery life if it hasn't been available for more than 24 hours. WOW