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[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
I agree with your first point being arc's hardware limiting what it could do. Let's hope Sony Odin would introduce things that are up to par with the future releases of other companies as Sony's shown quite a lot of innovation in terms of hardware aesthetics.
[Xperia Arc General] iridaki:
Nobody promised a JB update for the 2011 Xperias. :confused:

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[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/2...handsets-will-not-get-android-4-1-jelly-bean/

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/what-happened-to-the-android-update-alliance/
[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
well sony did say 18 months of support....whether that means JB update or not, I guessed :)
[Xperia Arc General] iridaki:
There's a loophole to the infamous "Android Update Alliance"

(which is a policy Google tried to enforce to manufacturers, yet somewhat unofficially, as there is no relevant documentation),

that being if the hardware supports it.

So nobody promised anyone anything, really.

Sure, we can argue whether the Arc supports JB or not, but at the end of the day, Sony gets the last word, no matter how much we whine and cry about it. :p :D
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
Well I've got Cm10 on my arc s and it runs ten times better than stock ICS. Hopefully Sony will just copy of cm10 a bit if they think its too hard. :p:o

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] drali500:
Let's have faith in our favorite company let's give them time may be they can do it but even most of 2012 phones weren't announced to have jb or not so we won't lose a thing waiting it's really annoying to wait for a thing having 50%- 50% chance so let's hope for the best.

I won't unlock my bl till know it's officially confirmed we won't have it :(

Sent from My Xperia U_R_J_I_B_S
[Xperia Arc General] dagustl:
Don´t think that there will be a official JB, but i hope they SONY will give the driver-sources to the community. :fingers crossed:

Please sign the petition for the hdmi-drivers from heinrichkaiser http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1776024

:)
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
After the 2012 phones updated, they have to work on 2013 software. Time doesn't stop.
[Xperia Arc General] Overdose1986:
Can you pls add the link to that "super fast" CM10 or which version are you using? FXP141? FXP140? FXP139? FXP138? FXP137? FXP136? FXP135??? :confused:
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
I use fxp141. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1780316 Also, the stock kernel is bad so I use Arc Fusion v3.3 (v3.4 doesn't support OC!) My device flys! 5300 in Antutu on a single core phone! I highly recommend. Btw, i take NO credit for these, I'm just giving download links. Credits go to Mechmental, besttt and fxp.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] berturion:
Hey guys, did you see that ?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/android-4-2-shows-up-in-our-server-logs-shocks-no-one/

You will read this :

"Like others, we're seeing reports of the Arc S running 4.2 as well, but upon further investigation it seems more likely that this is a beta of Jelly Bean 4.1 currently being tested by Sony."
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/11/android-4-2-being-tested-on-the-xperia-arc-s/

From the comments:

Artem Russakovskii, owner of AndroidPolice:

There you have it, I ruined your hopes.
[Xperia Arc General] berturion:
other needed stuff else than hdmi from Sony

Yes of course, I didn't think about changing user agent string. Perhaps I was too naive to believe what this blog said.

I signed the Sony hdmi petititon, I wonder what else can be done... :crying:

The only reason I don't install JB on my xperia is that there is no HDMI support.

Do you know if there is other blocked functionnality but HDMI ?
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApcKycw0qEVodFBvcGFVYTJPY0ZJdWtpZTB1NVJwX2c#gid=0 Left column

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[Xperia Arc General] drali500:
That's a new hope.... I think.... May be fake but If there's a 1% chance let's take it and never lose hope.

Sent from My Xperia U_R_J_I_B_S
[Xperia Arc General] berturion:
Yes it seems that a lot of things work, devs are often amazing. As I regularly use Torch and HDMI, this ROM isn't for me yet.
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Torch is temporarily, only for this build, and third party torch apps do work. But HDMI will probably never work as long as Sony doesn't release the sources.
[Xperia Arc General] bane.twit:
guys still nothing!
[Xperia Arc General] imugur:
Installing JB on Arc

For those interested I wrote a step-by-step guide for the begginers (in Romanian but Google translate works) on how to install Jelly Bean on your Xperia Arc here:

http://wp.me/paRuR-2vm

Mugur
[Xperia Arc General] bane.twit:
Yes, of course I've tried 5-6 times, AOKP rom 4, 4_R1, with kernel fusion 3.5, 3.4, and it didnt work. Message of instalation zip: ERROR!
[Xperia Arc General] kypss:
Lol its amazing
[Xperia Arc General] Candy[MAN]:
No Jelly Bean for 2011 devices confirmed:

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/product...rades-jelly-bean-for-2012-xperia-smartphones/
[Xperia Arc General] guille26:
Time to get LG Nexus in a couple of months. I'm never gonna buy another non-nexus phone and, at least for now, I won't buy another Sony phone again even if it's a Nexus.
[Xperia Arc General] justkiddinghere:
This is not fair
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Performance issues. Lol

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[Xperia Arc General] wth_is_life:
Nothing has ever been fair guys, deal with it
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
For my first android I had the choice between a galaxy nexus and an arc s (both same price) I had no idea, but I liked the look of the arc s and bought it on a contract. After a couple of months I realised just what an idiot I'd been. :mad: As my contract will end around June 2013 I reckon the lg nexus will be cheapish but still good and I'll get that. :cool:

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] justkiddinghere:
Sony just kicked all 2011 devices

I wont buy sony at all we just have a slow laggy official ics only by sony
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Maybe my next phone will be LG, they don't have updates either, but great hardware for a small price. Latest Sony phones are ugly anyway and LG's designs are getting better. LG 4x Hd with quad core and 720p screen costs the same as Xperia S with a ancient cpu. First I need to do some research if their bootloaders are unlockable.

But I would recommend phones with Qualcomm SoC's They release sources, without those sources our Jelly Bean roms would be much slower and unstable.

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Hey Sony, can you accidentally leak a Jelly Bean build?

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[Xperia Arc General] Bhambya:
Just one major update for a flagship phone?? WTF! At least they should release the sources! NEVER buying any Xperia again
[Xperia Arc General] berturion:
You're right, I am so disappointed by Sony. It's a shame. The only hope we have is that they release ALL the missing sources... But I do not have a good feeling about this... :(
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
They probably can't. Some are under license by them.

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[Xperia Arc General] pavel_rx8:
never again SONY
[Xperia Arc General] zed011:
I'm not surprised one bit. Given their previous history with the X10, some part of me was hoping they would prove me wrong. Looks like they haven't change a thing on their software since they split from Ericsson. They really have no excuse by saying the performance is poor when everyone knows cyanogenmod with jellybean runs perfectly.

Move to CM10 if you haven't already.
[Xperia Arc General] Leizar84:
My next phone will be a G Nexus for sure.

I loved sony and i had 2 SE phones, but this is enough for me. First a very bad ics release with lot of lags and bugs. Then we cannot have JB on a 2011 device that could run it just better than ics.

Do you prefer to not update your old phones so you can sell your new ones? Haha!

Never sony again!
[Xperia Arc General] quera:
I'm with you, Sony never ever again. And to support my decision, I will neither buy TVs, notebooks, blu-rays and any other device from Sony.
[Xperia Arc General] karlis383:
same here, dunno what's next though.

performance issues?

give me a break, xperia J is getting it with A5 @ 1 ghz & adreno 200.
[Xperia Arc General] Prider555:
I think the 2011/2012 Xperia devices will not have the JB update because they are not "STRONG" enough,No 2012 has even the JB,only the NEXUS.Sorry for my bad englisch!!! :p
[Xperia Arc General] theanelfro:
they have luck :(
[Xperia Arc General] tajimura:
No JB for 2011. "we're not pleased by how it performs", damn that bastard liars.

Sent from nowhere
[Xperia Arc General] KevinEricsson:
Nexus s already updated to 4.1,does it stronger then arc?

weak Sony.
[Xperia Arc General] Trevor868:
Funny guys @ Sony mobile. JB has performance issues yet ics was ok to release?
[Xperia Arc General] pmdisawesome:
It's a Nexus, powered by Google, with Google the more people uses their software the more profit they make. So releasing software updates actually bring profit to Google

Sony on the other hand makes profit by selling their devices, which mean releasing software updates only costs them money, doesn't make them money

That's the main difference

And, always buy a Nexus when you're buying Android. 100% Google experience
[Xperia Arc General] pavel_rx8:
I don't care how they make their money, all I want is to be happy to give them my money and now I don't feel myself satisfied, I had X10 now ARC S I like them but I will never again buy a SONY
[Xperia Arc General] progosu:
flagship model from 2011 got only one major update, pathetic, bye, bye sony
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
Try the arc fusion kernel v3.4 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32521144 and make sure your CPU scaler is a v2 (eg ondemandx, interactivex, smartass v2). Bam! Only goes down about 1% every two hours in sleep mode.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] MrL1:
Sony said that they UPDATE 2011 phones for 18Months, 4months remaining till the 18months update ends for ARC S. Sony SUCKS NOW i use Sony mobiles since 2002, if this doesn't change i will NEVER buy another Sony mobile AGAIN.
[Xperia Arc General] toncata:
Me too. I am using Sony since 2002. Now they drop strong enough phones like Neo, Arc/S. Jelly Bean can be handled on less powerful phones like Xperia J. Samsung will release JB for Galaxy Mini which is with Cortex-A5 processor :S

Bye bye Sony. If I buy another Android phone it will be Nexus.
[Xperia Arc General] justkiddinghere:
After this disappointment even i won't buy Sony phone
[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
sony didn't say they would update operating systems for 18 months, but said they would support the phone

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Sony doesn't want people to focus on 2011 models despite apparently being better than xperia J because xperia J is their new replacement of arc (basically). both arc and J are in the same price range and essentially the same spec range therefore it's of higher priority for sony to market and support the J even more than the arc. It's nothing personal, just business.

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Well you are using a 2011 phone. there's been how many? 8 or 9 new xperia phones that have been released so far this year alone? You're not being very rational.
[Xperia Arc General] yagami:
So basicly ... I have to buy all the phones they release ?

If they release a phone i have to buy it ?

You could say that other companies do the same, but to support this ? wow ...

I just bought their phone , i didnt told that i would give them all my money. Sony doesnt have to support their phones if they dont want to, but then again, nor do or will i ever buy another Sony phone, nor will my friends if i am persuasive enough.

My Arc S is still a great piece of hardware. Thank god for cyanogenmod.

Bottom line ? Want android ? buy Nexus's phone line.
[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
Nope you don't have to buy all the phones they release. that would be absurd wouldn't it? I'm saying, they have set their priorities based on rational strategic business goals. Buying one of their 2011 phones couldn't be blamed on anyone but yourself, who should've considered the fact that it may not be receiving 4.2 because it's a phone from last year. You based your whole argument on the fact that someone told you that you have to buy every single one of their phones, and since no one has actually told you that and you just conjured that up in your mind, your whole post is invalid

:)
[Xperia Arc General] yagami:
Could be invalid, but its actually very valid.

Because Sony ( and others , its the way world is ) doesnt update their 2011 phones not because any technical problem but because of marketing.

So, its actually so i have to buy every single one of their phones , one phone every year or two ( so , 2011 i buy arc s, 2012 i buy xperia T, 2013 ? what would i buy ? )

Hope i explained the message i wanted to transmit correctly
[Xperia Arc General] Freeeeeeeee:
the 2012 devices xperia s, t...will not taste the Key Lime Pie either....sony will ask you to buy their new xperia a,b....damn
[Xperia Arc General] justkiddinghere:
Arc s was released aug 2011so i bought it in june or july 2012 and in few months its outdated like this that no jb just because sony released so many phones he dont have much dev

This all is just crap from their side if they can stop support like this

I dont wana buy sony now

They should have removed all 2011 devices but they didnt it was in market in even 2012 dunno why they sold outdated phone in high prices

I should have bought s2 instead

S2 came in april 2011 and getting update to jb

i thought to chose sony company my misteck
[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
The amount of phones you buy in a certain time period depends only on what you expect from Sony and what Sony actually gives. You expected an update from GB to ICS, and then an update from ICS to JB. Unfortunately, Sony didn't live up to

your

expectations, so because of this disappointment, you believe that you have to purchase a phone every year (or however many you actually thought).

Your argument was invalid when you said that you had to buy every single phone that was released (which is false), but I understand your viewpoint once you've made your actual point clearer. In my opinion, a phone every 2 years is fine and typical of our time. With the accelerated advancements in technology, some would even say a phone every year is to be expected.

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Well you did buy the phone 10/11 months after the phone was released. That's 2 months short of a year. By then, the whole nxt range was already released and I guess 2011 xperias were still high enough in the priorities list to get the ICS update (and which many praised Sony for because not many companies actually brought ICS to their 2011 phones).

Also Sony isn't actually stopping support for the phone. They just didn't upgrade the operating system. There's a difference.

You believe that Sony should have removed all 2011 devices from the market in 2012 because of your own moral and ethical beliefs (beliefs many I observe on this forum share), but from a business point of view, that would be against their strategic goals and goals of every other business which is to generate more and more profit.
[Xperia Arc General] justkiddinghere:
You maybe right but still i dont like ics and os speed stability i have with this price phone jb is more smoother thats why everyone want that

It isnt our responsiblity that we buy a phone of this price range and its latest os lag like hell nd slow and have bugs and games dont even try to play

And Samsung is still updating s2 so i should have bought that i thought sony has quality but after seeing sony's this kindof ics

Sony is worst ;)

They shouldnt have done whatever they did costumers does matter
[Xperia Arc General] toncata:
3GS is 3-years-old phone but still upgraded to the new OS. But people hate that company.
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
Whether a phone is upgraded to the latest update of its OS doesn't mean that its good quality. That's like saying an up to date PS2 is better than an Xbox 360 that's still on its factory OS. Or the latest BlackBerry is better than a old GS2. I'd pick a ICS phone over a iOS 6 phone any day.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] toncata:
When we receive an updated OS it means that the companies didn't forget us - customers. They respect us and give us something new and fresh. We can taste as an example JB. But when they abandoned 1 years-old phone this means that they don't respect us. Yes, that is marketing but thousands of people will change the brand. This year I will graduated and when I begin to work I will save money to buy iPhone or Nexus. Sony, HTC, Samsung, LG are the same idiotic companies. My previous phone - HTC Desire was still with GB 2.3. Desire C which is with less powerful chipset and the same amount of memory is with 4.0. Yes it is laggy but it's with Android 4.0.
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
If there's one company that should have provided updates, it's Sony. Read the comments at The Verge and other blogs: people are drooling over Sony hardware and their skin. A couple of months ago, it Sony was the worst OEM, everyone *****ed about Sony phones. They were well on the way to be the most loved OEM. But apparently the marketing team is out of touch with the public.

Their hardware is mediocre, so the only way to differentiate is by software. It's not that hard to make a Jelly Bean update, if our developers had all the data Sony has, I'm sure we would have fully functional Jelly Bean within half a month. Add some testing, and it's a month work for a team of maybe 5 developers. If they don't have the developers, they can outsource it. A developer probably earns €3500 a month in Sweden (at Sony mobile development HQ, Lund). 5*3500=17500 Let's say they make €20 profit per sold handset: 17500/20=900 handsets. That's peanuts.

I also hear many people say that the average consumer doesn't care about updates. That's not true. Watch/read reviews: reviewers always say warn you for updates if they review an LG phone. The next Sony flagship (clever Sony marketing boys timed this just after the Xperia T reviews) will probably be accompained in reviews by: 'This phone will only receive one mayor update, if you want more updates go for the Galaxy S4'.

I won't exclude Xperia's as my next phone, but hardware is the only consideration I'll make. Protip from me: buy a phone with Quallcomm SoC, porting CM ROMs without OEM sources will be much easier.
[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
Not really. Sony's other way to differentiate their xperia phones is through innovative and pretty aesthetics
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Well, their designs are above average, but innovate...?

They gave the Xperia T a 13MP camera that can't even beat a Samsung camera (galaxy s3). The phone isn't good at anything. Camera was Sony's pro, they ****ed up. Design was a pro, the thing looks dull. How do they think to sell it. It will probably get Jelly Bean somewhere next summer.

I used to like Xperia's but things have been going downhill pretty fast.
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
I gotta agree. The 2011 (especially arc/s) lineup is heaps better looking than 2012.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Xperia NXT series looks great to me, but problem is:

-Xperia U has a slow dual-core, 512MB ram is not enough, camera is mediocre, and only 4GB of internal storage, no jelly bean. The size is perfect though

-Xperia P has a slow dual-core, no expandable storage, 16GB is not so much. Great camera and build.

-Xperia S has a slow dual-core, it's very big for a 4.3"handset though. No updates after Jelly Bean. Great screen and a good camera.

I really want to have the Xperia SX, but the for the western markets they only release slow phones or huge phones. Seriously, I'm considering to import it. It's a unique device.
[Xperia Arc General] leetzMKD:
How can you support this nonsense jman2131

Xperia Arc S was a flagship phone, Jelly bean was released less than a year after Arc S, and you say it's totally fine not to receive that upgrade. And what i hate especially are those official statements that our device is not powerful enough to handle JB :eek:

And Xperia J is powerful enough with its outdated hardware...

What's even worse for Sony's reputation as good OEM is that even Xperia U is not getting update, while Xperia P with same hardware is getting one. And here we are talking about 2012 phone, not receiving a 2012 version of Android.

And i almost forgot to mention. Releasing a JB update in mid Q1 2013, "well done" Sony.

This is just pathetic from Sony...
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Arc S can be seen as the normal Arc, that's understandable. 2011 Xperia's were the first non-nexus phones with Gingerbread. Still, our phones can run Jelly Bean, and Sony proves with this that they are as bad as as Samsung.

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[Xperia Arc General] Vuja1:
CM10

Does somebody know how is now CM10 142 fxp ? because i don't know if there is point to install it...
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Only bugs are tethering and HDMI, rest is working fine. If you come from ICS; it's extremely smooth.
[Xperia Arc General] Morodo:
Does the video buffering and playback work on cm10? I had the paranoid android + cm10 rom and the video playback didn't work on youtube and on the device itself.
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
YouTube can cause soft reboot sometimes, but not frequently.

Afaik there are no problems with video playing (use S/W decoder instead of H/W in MX Player)
[Xperia Arc General] Bhambya:
I am loving vanilla Android and CM10 right now.. So surely my next phone will be a Nexus. Besides it has so many roms that I will flash a different rom on day 1.
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
I think stock android still looks ugly. The blacks make me depressed :D.

Anyway, MIUI will be out sooner for the Nexus too. Maybe I should also consider importing a Xiami phone if it isn't sold out in 5 minutes next time.

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[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
Just trying to put some rationality in here. Too many posts are being muddled by the disappointment of people's high expectations
[Xperia Arc General] darthpnoy88:
At least the consolation prize Sony can do is provide us the drivers so that folks from CM team and other developers can make JB ROMS and for Sony to show there sincerity towards the developer community.
[Xperia Arc General] Iqbal Ansari:
I'm on FXP 142 everything is working flawlessly on my pro. including USB tether.

I have not tested HDMI though.
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
Yeah HDMI is the only problem. But the 2012 xperias have it! :mad:

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] berturion:
That said, isn't it possible to use HDMI JB Driver from an Xperia S for example in our Xperia Arc S ?

I guess it requires that Xperia Arc S and Xperia S uses the same HDMI hardware.

This could be a way to get a fully functionnal JB ROM for our Arc S...

Any dev know the answer ?
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
So true...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com..._live_photo_of_sony_xperia_odin_c650x/c6q21t5
[Xperia Arc General] Trevor868:
2 different OS per phone? That's crap! Why spend hundreds of £/$/€ on a phone with such a poor life span?
[Xperia Arc General] SammiSaysHello:
because the operating system doesn't determine the life span of a phone
[Xperia Arc General] Nooby Arc S User:
It does for Android enthusiasms. But hell, what does it matter of we get a jelly bean update - CM10 is perfect :cool:

Sent from my Jellybeaned Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] tinyXperia:
Unless you need HDMI.
[Xperia Arc General] am2222:
Whaaaat??

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/product...rades-jelly-bean-for-2012-xperia-smartphones/

I hate SONY :(