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[Windows Phone 7 General] gentry33:
I'll be eligible for upgrade at the beginning of November so if I like what I see, yes.

Curious as to how many users complaining about being dead ended went clamouring for an HP Touchpad during the barn burning sale.

Users who bought a Lumia 900 for $49 or less got a hell of a device for the money considering that just about every worthwhile Android device goes for$149 and up on contract.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pbp8ntballer:
I plan on upgrading; got a HTC Titan and it really does not bug me so much that I cannot get WP8 on my device. Why? Because I completely understand why they cannot put an OS that's optimized for an NFC chip, dual-core and above processors, and higher resolutions onto a phone that has none of those things. It's like...trying to put on human shoes on a horse. It might fit, but it just won't work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] goginho1:
First of all, sorry for my bad English, but I must say something. :D

I bought WP7 Omnia7 before cca 1 year ago. Then WP7 was very new OS with a lot of space to improve. I was really disappointed when I relized that I can't send anything over bluetooth, omnia doesn't have file manager, I can't install any XAP application over USB cable, I can't use mobile phone as USB memory stick, I can't lock rotation.

Yes, I know this OS is stable, and my opinion is that it is perfect for bussines users and people who want to have excellent mobile phone but it is not (unfortunately) for me :(

My friends who have Android can do anything with mobile phones. Android is very good OS and isn't worse than WP7. (I tried it)

I was very happy when MS released Mango, because I expected moreeeee new options like Android (at least bluetooth transfer). But I got nothing :(

Thanks to Jaxbot we got windowbreak, rotation lock and other things that Microsoft wants to lock in every new OS version. Really disappointg for me :(((

Conclusion, WP is great OS for average user, but it is very boring for young IT population that looks a smartphone like a toy.

To make matters worse, Microsoft warrants that it is because we don't install a virus into the mobile phone, but only authenticated applications from Marketplace. Microsoft things we are all stupid for technology and cares for us... ofc :D

Please don't hate me, it's only my opinion :D

If Microsoft does not change the policy, I move on to more flexible Android :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] sdkswk:
i want a wp8 device first
[Windows Phone 7 General] taruian:
finally after big struggle i'll say i never go back to Windows phone.

i was happy when i bought my first windows mobile 6.1, later when they released windows phone 7, i bought Htc Mozart 7, i was happy with the developments going on, i have waited almost 1.6 years until MS finally announced no further development on WP7 platform, what an abrupt end to windows phone platform.

i'll never buy windows phone 8 again. MS still need to learn lot in mobile platform, this is not the way to build everything from scratch, it will loose many clients n customers.

today i switched to Iphone. i'll never look back again.

Thank you MS
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
Majority of people bought those to run Android on it. Got CM9 Nightly running wonderfully on mine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deathnotice01:
i'm getting a wp8 when it comes out

but i'd always prefer to have a android phone and a wp8
[Windows Phone 7 General] AnnihilatorSC:
Will have had Omina 7 for ~2 years by the time WP8 comes out, so I'll be giving it to the cat & getting myself a Lumia 1000.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deathnotice01:
i think there will be no lumia 1000

nokia usually never lets flagships have names with numbers over 1000

like N8, Lumia 600-800, and others i forgot
[Windows Phone 7 General] shishirdbhat:
Just wanted to point out that you can enable local scout by going to settings, region+location, change browser & search locale to English(US). Now you should get local scout through Search button and pin it to your home screen. It works pretty well in India.

Also, being pedantic here. Marketing department exists only to cater to users needs ;-) despite a few shortcomings, I love the windows phone experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kamel99:
I'll wait some time, for the devices getting cheaper. The reviews will show, if there is a big improvement to WP7

I'm very happy with my WP7 2nd Gen. mobile phone, its stable and fast.
[Windows Phone 7 General] willp2:
I've been with WP7 since the beginning and am on my third phone and love it.

What kills me though is that I'm a tinkerer at hart and I want to be able to make changes to the phone like I did with my jailbroken iPhone and rooted Android devices.

It's frustrating to me that I can easily do things like side-load apps, or enable tethering on an iPhone or Android phone on my carrier but can't do the same thing on my WP7 phone.

MS got props when they welcomed the Chevron guys with open arms, gave them nifty tee-shirts and talked about supporting home brew, only later to put the screws to any further attempts to do anything interesting.

So sadly now that things are getting very interesting with WP8, I may end up jumping ship to Android just so I can get back some of the functionality I've been working around for quite awhile now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
Only posting this because I haven't seen it mention yet:

http://wmpoweruser.com/another-microsoft-product-manager-promises-more-for-windows-phone-7-8/

Another Microsoft Product Manager promises more for Windows Phone 7.8

Building some momentum behind the idea that Microsoft is intending to bring more than the start screen to Windows Phone 7.8, more than a week ago Ben Lower, Senior Product Manager, Windows Phone Developer Experience at Microsoft tweeted that ”there will be more“ when a developer complained that they wanted more from Windows Phone 7.8 than the start screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They already stated there will be more. More being updated apps, and those two games.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
No. Those are not OS updates. There will be more features added, not just the new home screen.

-Mc
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ proof or it isn't happening.

7.8 with Start experience and updated apps and Zynga games.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
Well, since one of the main guys for WP said not everything was announced (and you are pointing to things that were announced) and more is coming, I'd say that's proof. But if that logic escapes you, you'll just have to wait until you have 7.8.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Logic? Mr. Spock couldn't tell you what's coming in 7.8 or any other future update. You seem to defy your own by then suggesting to wait until it actually comes out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend. I quoted a main Windows Phone developer that said "more is coming" and not everything was announced for 7.8 yet. If you had read some articles, you'd have found they purposely left out details on updates due to competition. http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/microsoft-our-nature-makes-it-tough-to-show-all-wp8-features/

Now stop being a troll.
[Windows Phone 7 General] wardoc22:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
[Windows Phone 7 General] hellchan:
just bought a omnia i8350 aka omnia W and my contract ends in august. Feels too new to buy a new phone. I often take photos with my phone and this phones camera is....passable I suppose.

What would make me buy a windows 8 phone:

1.large storage space 32gb minimum ( my phone is 8 gb, 6.3 after system files, and 4gb is reserved for downloaded stuff-_- even if i set reserve space at 0% have about 2 gb for my own things..ridiculous)

2.expendable sd storage

3. nokia pureview tech in the camera ! I know I know its just a phone camera bla bla but its the only camera some of us have.

Other than that....no I wont buy a wp8 phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
A good read for anyone full of optimism

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/windows-phone-7-was-doomed-by-design-microsoft-admits-50008466/

And this

http://www.liveside.net/2012/07/01/windows-phone-7-8more-to-come-than-just-a-start-screen/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Raggi01:
Hope htc makes something similar to the titan for wp8!
[Windows Phone 7 General] xDomsx:
Moving on from Omnia 7 to Galaxy S.

I know that Omnia 7 has some hardware advance like flash and aluminum case, but I'm constantly being disappointed by WP7.

Piece of **** browsers (only ****ty IE works for desktop sites), no JavaScript (meaning no class schedule for me which is online),

no internet connection on college, dead Marketplace, every large company has 10x better app for Android than for WP

and after all this, I now know that my Omnia 7 is becoming worthless as soon as WP8 gets out.

What a waste of gr8 hardware of Omnia 7...
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
You quote a developer and an Engadget piece instead of a ranking Microsoft official and you call ME a troll? That's no better than me quoting an AT&T rep. Get this through your thick skull: nobody knows jack **** what's coming!
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
You don't think the Microsoft Windows Phone Product Manager doesn't know jack **** about CURRENT plans?! Seriously?
[Windows Phone 7 General] markthomson1404:
What are poeple complaining about ?

When ever i buy a phone or upgrade on contract i always do some research on it. I now have a Titan 1 and it is the same phone i bought 6 months ago perhaps a bit better it has not suddenly lost any of the features i bought it for due to any anouncements by Microsoft so as i have my phone that works just fine i am wondering what everyone else is so upset about

Mark :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Mark, that kind of attitude is not welcome here. You're supposed to be writing letters to Microsoft, signing petitions and sobbing uncontrollably about this situation. How dare you say your phone is working fine? How dare you suggest you take the time to research a purchase? You CANNOT be happy! Please take your rosary and give me 100 Hail Marys until you repent! How's that for sarcasm? Excellent post, I wish I would have thought of that.

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No. Leaks are an integral part of this industry and if he had any concrete knowledge it would have been out or a phone with 7.8 left at a bar. Seriously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
LOL
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmuntean2:
RE:

WP7 was dead from the start, but everyone thought I was an idiot saying that. Now just look at what will happen.Idiots like all of us who have a wp7 device will be left over just because MS was too lazy to add support for current hardware.

Let's be serious and I would like some opinions on this one:

The new WP8 supports multi-core CPUs but cannot be installed on single core devices. Come on!!! this is the most dumb idea ever.

There is no reason why MS hasn't added the current devices to support WP8. No real reason! It's was not impossible to add current WP devices to WP8 support list, MS just seems to like screwing users up.

I am wondering after a year maybe when WP9 will come out or WP8.5 if the WP8 devices will be able to update, sorry but I strongly believe will NOT.

Any programmer or IT professional knows very well that it's the most idiotic reason, MS gave when announced that current devices will not be updatable to WP8 because of the new OS architecture. MS did not wanted these devices updated to WP8, not that they couldn't do it.

Come on...makes me laugh an os supporting multi-core cpus but not supporting single core... what a joke
[Windows Phone 7 General] yaiba60:
You know you'll get yelled at "YOUR 6 MONTH OLD LUMIA 900 DOESN'T HAVE NFC, HIGHER RES, DUAL-CORE, ETC HARDWARE FOR ALL NEW WP8!!!" :angel:

Really? 480x800 is still on the list of supported display (ain't no cheap version of wp8 carrying higher res, 480x800 will be for the new Lumia 6xx and budget phone). Dual core? What's the point of having the Lumia 900 clocked @ 1.4mhz then?

MS called every bits of the all new software wp8 hardware dependent and Nokia bitterly released the Lumia 900 to take on all the blame. I call Ballmer x Elop conspiracy :silly:
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
Because native code requires dualcore and new GPU. Oh wait!

Don't give me NFC since my phone doesn't have it, but give me new kernel that can run all the new apps.

The problem I see is this:

They talked that "it will be easier to port games from/to WP8 since it will support native code from 3rd parties". Those will work only on WP8, not on WP7. And we are often talking about apps that run on 1GHz/256MB RAM Android phones => they would run even on Lumia 610! And we won't get it.

It is just upto the developer(s) to think whether they want to support even old phones. Or just they don't give a f..k.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
I read an article quoting someone from MS that said it simply was not cost-effective to offer a WP8 upgrade. I didn't save the link, but I'm sure cost is what it came down to.

I think there are other political reasons as well. Old devices do not have UEFI, SecureBoot, DX10, and the newly decided allowable number of buttons. To support multiple hardware configurations would require them to dedicate additional staff to legacy devices. They probably just didn't see the point considering the high turnover rate of smartphones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weatherx:
i will only consider it after seeing OTA update being pushed out by mfr's (not just nokia).
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
I'm with you brother. AT&T has royally ****ed up the Windows Phone experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IvanTurbinca:
I'm undecided if I should get a Nexus, stick with my Amaze, get a 900, or wait for WP8. :laugh:
[Windows Phone 7 General] finalzero:
I will probably switch phones for a while, I have become disillusioned with what Microsoft are doing with the platform and it is still way behind the other smart phones out there (the hardware is lacklustre for instance).

I am a Windows Developer by trade so I will be keeping my old WP7.5 device on hand to experiment with, and maybe consider WP8 when I have my Windows 8 system running but that's a while off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dbernoulli:
It's ok, at least I know what I'm buying into. Plus, I get to let go of some compromises. (i.e. non-available apps) Worst case, I can load a custom ROM since developer support for Android is good.

My Radar is only ~3 months old, & even if I knew Android was more flexible in terms of what I could do, I looked the other way because apart from WP being a more stable mobile OS, I had this notion that MS was better at support. Maybe I'm spoiled by Apple, but given WP's poor market share, MS should have invested more on customers who bit the bullet despite the fact that its offering is a distant 3rd.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Cough

7.

7.5

7.8 maybe

8.0

8.5 maybe

Etc
[Windows Phone 7 General] Guy4Tech:
I think WP8 is going in the right direction, but I wouldn't give up my Android for it. Not yet anyways...

Mike@guy4tech.com
[Windows Phone 7 General] jamzc92:
Well when I first found out that old Windows Phones wouldn't be getting the full update to WP8, I was quite annoyed like I'm sure many other users were. Especially those who started up a 24 month contract with Nokia Lumia phones who are now stuck with a phone that's going to just die out very soon, even though it's hardware and software were already far outdated from release.

But after calming down a bit, I really like the new features in Windows Phone 8 and it's been an update I've been looking forward to for some time, so getting a new phone just to have it is definitely worth it. Along with that I will probably get one of the Surface Pro devices in January as they are expected to be released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DaemonMX:
I just moved to WP7 (Omnia W, locked with 8107) from an HTC HD2 (Android MIUI based).

Probably I'm just a bit confused since I was able to modify everything in my old phone, and nothing on this one, but I still love WP7 (smooth, nice, simple).

What I'm going to do? I'll wait until someone will be able to unlock my i8350 Omnia W, I'll wait for an unofficial porting of a WP8 Rom (i KNOW that everything is possible, right?) then I'll move to WP8 only for an unlockable device. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] coolypf:
I will just keep with 7.8
[Windows Phone 7 General] poyensa:
I really do not ubderstand why bring discussion about android to a WP7 section. This is a breach of the forum rules and infraction will be issued accordingly. Please collaborate to keep the forums clean and ordered, and focused in development. Best regards,
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
did you clean the thread of offending material?

who were you speaking to?
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
There is still a lot of resentment toward MS regarding their decision to not bring W8 to legacy devices. As such, people are blowing off steam by "threatening" to go to Android or spouting off about how much better Android is because of customization, etc. Those who appreciate WP7 for what it is and how much better it will become can't resist telling these people where to go. Guilty as charged!
[Windows Phone 7 General] pampaygm:
maybe i'm waiting to see the next iphone to decide
[Windows Phone 7 General] lrhage:
iOS 4 drop support for first and second gen iPhones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zort70:
I voted yes.

I got a Samsung Omnia 7 and it developed a hardware problem, Samsung refunded the original price and I managed to borrow another from a friend who doesn't want his free upgrade.

So I have money in the bank waiting, assuming my friend doesn't want to sell this one !
[Windows Phone 7 General] atom0s:
Personally, probably not since I bought my current phone off-contract. Wont need an upgrade til this one kicks the bucket.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
ill drink to that ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Glasgow, I thought you guys would drink to passing gas. LOL.
[Windows Phone 7 General] redmatt:
I will definitely buy a WP8 device. The second VZW gets one. I have had my Trophy since launch on VZ and have been 100% satisfied. The only thing I even miss from my Android device was using the swype keyboard, and swype is already on W7 tablets; here's hoping it comes to W(P)8 I will upgrade this to WP7.8 and give it to my wife, sell her Rezound that is flakey at best because of android instabilities. she doesn't have my patience to keep hacking the phone just so it will work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] redmatt:
And on a side note. If Verizon had the Titan II or Lumia 900 I would still buy it right now for my wife. Not everyone needs their phone to do everything. She needs email, camera, browser and Facebook. No phone does Facebook better and easier, still. Camera on those phones are still amazing. And email on WP7.5 still beats Android ad iOS hands down. And IE9 mobile is amazing for rendering pages. It doesn't do virus-ridden flash, so who cares, HTML5 is replacing flash's niche anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
just read a review of the rezound since I'm not familiar with VW things. the only negative found was the beats audio, and that lte eats batteries. I havent used Facebook since 2010 , sooooo I have no idea what it requires to be "good" either.

I'm curious, with your statements about virus ridden flash and android instability... is it just resentment or is there really a reason you don't like them? the only html5 website I've noticed (optional) is youtube so far. what sites do you frequent that have switched completely?

ill take that rezound and let the kids use it as an awesome kid sized tablet if you're really sick of it... today!
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Aye, that's true enough! an what fun we have doing it too! lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
I was convinced to buy a WP8 until today. No changes at multitasking? So still not resuming from start screen icon?

Bye, WP. It was good but now its over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dreamcaster012:
1. I would be angry as a Lumia owner as well, only because the 2 year contracts make it difficult to upgrade without spending a LOT of money if you just got one and now your device is essentially abandoned halfway through its contract. However, lets be honest here: you probably got more support (and a more concrete update timeline) than any Android device rather than Nexus devices. That was my frustration with Android, you literally don't know if your phone will EVER see an update. If it does, its generally one version behind the most current, too. Its also loaded with tons of additional "features" (aka bloatware) that slow the phone down.

2. WP7 is fast. Its smooth. Its responsive. The last Android device I used was on 2.3 Gingerbread, and that experience was far from smooth most of the time. If I installed a new ROM with a faster OC kernel, yeah sometimes it was faster to start. Then a few days in it would slow down, and Android is the greatest battery hog I've ever seen. Ever.

3. Android also relies heavily on custom ROMs and user effort to keep up to date. Verizon and other carriers have done an increasingly good job at locking these devices down and making root even harder. There is an inherent risk in rooting, and it takes a lot of time to keep up with the root/ROM scene, time that I don't have any longer. I want a device that just works, and that I don't have to tinker with. A few years ago I loved that, and was full on Android, but not anymore.

4. My contract runs out in early 2013, and if Verizon has decent WP8 devices (ones with a 4.0" > screen, good features, 4G LTE etc.) I will make the switch. If not I will consider the next iPhone or some Android devices. My Trophy was nice, but I do want something with a bigger screen and more power next time. My Droid 1 was also at a 3.7" size, and I think 4.0"-4.3" is the sweet spot after playing with some other phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chrisz5z:
Will I buy a WP8 device?.....no. I'm not impressed with the features that have been leaked from the SDK...so unless something revolutionary gets leaked before release day....no

Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
Interesting comment on Hal B's blog. It seems that the WP team originally expected WP8 to run on WP7 hardware. However, the Windows 8 team subsequently imposed the new hardware requirements.

You can read the article and comments here:

http://hal2020.com/2012/08/13/a-data-point-on-the-lack-of-windows-phone-8-upgrades/
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
That was VERY early in the planning phase though. Don't forget, they also had plans for backwards compatibility with WM6 apps as well. They could have but decided the time was better spent elsewhere.

7.8 for legacy hardware is more than adequate IF they bring every feature that isn't dependent on hardware changes. It looks like that's not the case though and we're only getting a subset of those features. I planned on buying whatever high end Nokia is first released anyway so...
[Windows Phone 7 General] noelito:
I can't afford to get a new wp8 device until next year :( I will have to stay with my titan and wait for some kind of custom wp7 rom with wp8 goodies and on top of that too I want my future wp8 to be jailbroken by the time I get it so I can get custom notification tones everything else that I have hacked onto my titan is now a native feature wp8 such as screen shot, bt transfer
[Windows Phone 7 General] amir-m89:
WP7 devices has been released from October 2010 and less than 2years we heard it will not be updated (after 7.8). so we must buy a WP8 device if we want the newest OS. so is it proven that MS will support new devices for longtime (not only 2years)?!! although iOS and Android OS devices will get newest updates even with 1Ghz processors. no I would never buy a WP8 device.