[Galaxy S III Original Android Development] Zeuszoos:
3) The problem is people like you, who do not answer the questions, but instead give rude remarks. This is what gives XDA such a bad reputation amongst people who are not developers and are not experts. Certain senior members who think that their job consists of beinng rude to other people who aren't experts, while telling people who aren';t experts not to be rude to other members, when all they did was object to being treated rudely.

You people say; "Read, read, read!". But every "help" doc is written as if you already know the answers and you're just reviewing!

Nowhere, not once, have I seen the simple sentence;

"A CWM version consists of a Zip file that you would install by going into the Recovery menu and selecting that Zip and telling it to install it."

Now what the F is so hard about someone writing that somewhere?! And the real question is; Why does it bother you if someone does?!

I have asked that question a multitude of times and all I have gotten, is people like you, being rude to me!

And FYI, I have been a technician for 30 years. I've taught everything from sub-atomic theory, to global wireless networking. I edited and corrected college level texts for major publishers, who sell to the schools, the books they are required to buy for their courses. After doing one, I was sought after for this purpose. The school I taught at also had me rewrite their course material that they gave out and rewrite their tests, because I can write thinking not of what I already know, but what the person reading this stuff doesn't. So if I tell you that a written doc sucks, then you can rest assured that it sucks!

I spent days reading docs about this stuff. And what I found, is that they were not learning tools and I was still in the dark and unlike you, I have no desire to spend months learning something that someone at my level should be able to pick up in a matter of minutes. And that is the problem with the reading material. You are expected to spend days reading, trying to figure out what someone is getting at and you then have to start searching for help understanding the help docs!

What I don't understand, is why people like you think that just because you had it tough, that means everyone should and why it is that you get so pissed off when someone asks a question that would get right to the point! I guess you're not happy if someone else might not have to suffer like you did.

As for me, I simply followed instructions. But no one called it the; "CWM Method". I assumed that's what it was, but I like to be sure. Why do you have a problem with that?

I have taken it upon myself to offer to rewrite a bunch of help docs for various apps. I'm sure you'll see some of my work out there, in some app that you end up using. It'll be the docs that you easily understood. :)

But the difference is, that the authors acknowdledged that their help docs sucked and then took the time to explain to me exactly what each item is for and is supposed to accomplish and what they meant by this and that and then when I have an understanding that was not possible to gain through their docs, I then rewrite them for the author and send them to them and they are very grateful for that, because they state that they did not have the time to do it properly. Or their English isn't so good and they were glad to have someone willing to do it in English for them. And I was happy to help and built relationships with a number of developers this way.

Unlike you, I then help people out whenever I can with it. Because unlike you, I feel a responsibility.

But the guys who write the stuff we keep getting told to read, seem to have an ego problem. "Don't you dare question our work!".

Just like those who tell people to read the thread first. But who is going to read 85 pages of posts each time, before asking a question?! If you can do that, you have too much time on your hands! Get a job! Hahaha! :)

I'm just kidding. I am disabled with an injury right now. So I threw a bunch of time into this while I could, so I'm not putting anybody down. :)

I do review a thread first, but 85 pages of posts? No thank you. :)

But here's something you and many others obviously don't know... When you create docs (whomever) that make people also have to go out and scour Google looking for more help to understand what they just read, that's not something to be proud of, sir! What that means, is that your docs suck!

And when people get all proud because they spent weeks, or months learning something, I don't understand that either. Having to do all of that work is not something to be proud of (although bully for you!), it's something to be pissed about!

The idea of a help doc, is as follows;

"You don't have to look anywhere else to understand this subject, because that's what this doc is for and we have written it in an easy to understand fashion."

If your docs (whomever's) are anything other than that, then you had the wrong goal in mind!

As a writer, I know what I'm talking about. I have had to write too many things that had to be readily understood, to think anything else. Imaginne if I wrote the book I'm working on like your (not you personally) docs are written? Or even a novel? No one would ever understand the story and it'd be on the "Worst 100 Books Ever!" list forever! :)

Sorry I went into so much detail and I'm sure I'll be the one they come down on here, because the rule here is that the "experts" get to be rude and those who question them, instead of worship them (since this is a place to build your own ego), get cut down for it quick!

Of course, next time, you could just answer the question and think to yourself; "Yea, I wonder why it is that no one just tells you what method you're using?".

---------- Post added at 04:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:30 PM ----------

Here's an example of what I was talking about in the Android world...

I just found a web site that lists "The Peoples ROM" for my wife's S3. I'm not looking to do a whole ROM, but it mention something about being factory, with some stuff added and it has a kernel, so I am looking into it.

However, if you have a question, you can write to them all day and you'll never get a response, so that's out.

But why mention it here? Because, it spec ifically says that it is for the U.S. Sprint S3 SPH-L710.

But... When you go to download it, it shows two files with the exact same name, except one ends with a "S310" and one ends with a "S314".

Now normally, one would think these are version numbers. But both files have the exact same date. So, is it that...

One is a newer version than the other and the author was too lazy to remove the "S310" file?

Or is it that since they are the same date, they are for two different phones, the L710 and the L714?

Now of course I can go and scour for versions of this phone. Of course I can. But why doesn't it say right there? I mean, is there something wrong with telling people this?

Why do people have to go out and figure this crap out? The author couldn't take the whole 22 seconds it would have took him to note it right there and so, it's okay to cause people to spend a lot longer than that figuring this out, because he'll never answer an email? C'mon, dude! We all know better than that! :)

No, people don't want to be bothered with a ton of emails. I get that. What I don't get, is why, after the first one, the author doesn't think to himself;

Yea, I should note what's what there and that would stop all of the emails and help people out".

Instead, the favored choice seems to be; "I'll just ignore the emails and people should be grateful just to have it!".

Wanting one single sentence added to a page does not mean people aren't grateful! Even the Catholic nuns figured out that you don't have to flog yourself to be grateful to God for what you have! You can still ask God for a little understanding and it doesn't mean you're being ungrateful to Him! :)

Anyway, in the Comments section below, someone asked this question and got no answer.

So tell me, what should I think given this scenario?

That it's a newer version and the author couldn't be bothered to remove the old one from the same day?

Or that it's for a different phone, even though the web page says it's for the L710?

You see, if you're honest about it, then you know that both scenarios are not just possible, but the norm in the Android world and so, it really could be either one! Now how is that okay? Personally, maybe it's my OCD, but I could never leave anything like that!!! :(