yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Titan] drupad2drupad:
The way I am looking at this scenario is that any device was to be supported for 2 years.

I got my Titan Nov 2011 (launch was Oct 2011?)

So ideally, MSFT should support my titan till April 2013. The so called WP7.8 will add features, may be not high tech, most advanced features, but surely those that will make my Nov 2011 Titan much better than what I purchased. This WP7.8 won't actually hit our phones till Nov-Dec 2012, if that's when WP8 phones are to be in the wild.

Surely that refresh can last my phone for next 6 months. MSFT has repeatedly said they will be giving 2 major updates. Only the Lumia 900 and HTC Titan2 owners will see just one WP7.8, but all of us have seen Mango and now WP7.8

And what says, that we won't have a Tango-like minor update after WP7.8?

The fact that 7.5 is being pushed to 7.8 and not 8.0 shows that its two iterations lower than 8.0 (one being kernel change, second being ?) and THREE iterations better than 7.5. Surely a new start screen isn't worth making it 7.8. It could easily have been 7.6 unless ofcourse MSFT devs like fooling us with numbers (I don't doubt it! ;) )

Also, MSFT will support us with apps for that period too. Devs won't make apps for an OS with zero user base. They will want it to start off with 10 million of us first. At least till June-July 2013, I don't see lots of WP8 exclusive apps that are not hardware dependant. Ofcourse there will be a huge influx of apps come this Christmas that will be exclusive to WP8 to show off its hardware capapbilities.

All in all, it is an excellent thing if you want WP to succeed and want to benefit from the whole "ecosystem" experience unmatched by any other OS! I am loving my phone and won't buy a WP8 till next summer. I am in love with my Titan and the custom ROMs have just started... possibilites are endless. We might be looking at a new HTC HD2 ;)

---------- Post added at 10:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:18 AM ----------

Here found this:

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/20/new-nokia-apps-zynga-games-to-make-your-lumia-even-better/

Part that is of our interest -

"Elsewhere, you may have read about the new Windows Phone 8. How does this affect your Lumia? Well, you are not being left out. All Lumia smartphones will be getting an update to give you some of the features of Windows Phone 8, including the new Start screen, as well as a pattern of ongoing updates going forward."

When the summit was summarised, it was told that we will get continuing support from OEMs. I am inclined to believe that OEMs will dish out a range of updates for another 12-15 months or so for WP7 to bring it as close as possible to WP8. When WP8.5 is released, WP7 will truely be dead, which is OK.
[HTC Titan] Sihaz:
it's really clear to me with my ics xoom tablet that gingerbread has not been abandoned. there are still few apps in the google play store that only work on ics or honeycomb. i'm pretty sure the same will apply for wp7.5/8 - as has been said before. why limit yourself to the people with one system when most apps will work on both. the only time this will change is if wp8 is a massive runaway success, which i'd be equally happy about :-)
[HTC Titan] dragon_76:
As far as markets go, being able to use native code means an easy port of games and apps to and from Android and iOS. If you could serve 3 markets with your app or just 1, which would you choose? WP8 means the end of apps for WP7 devices.

Microsoft could have chosen to port the kernel to our devices. People are like "well, the kernel needs multicore". Bull****. Windows 8 will run on a Pentium 4. You telling me they can get their desktop OS to run on 6-8 year old hardware but mobile can't run on less than a year old? The kernel doesn't matter any goddamn way. They could choose to port native support to our device. Apple did it with 68k to PPC and PPC to Intel, and with considerably less money and human resources. Embedded NT already runs on WP7 chipsets.

Microsoft is telling too many partners too many different things. First they say they are changing the OS to run on lower spec hardware, now they are saying the higher-end hardware can't run the next OS.
[HTC Titan] drupad2drupad:
I don't think it is about hardware at all and MSFT never suggested so either. What they've said is the whole WP8 which can be scaled up and down is a big task and effort. From update point of view, packaging this whole new kernel update via Zune to us also means, that the noob on the other hand (not you and me) needs to know what to do. To wipe devices, to get the new drivers on, the new ROM and radio - not a normal update. I think MSFT could have spent a few months trying and testing things so that current gen phones can get this new kernel with "super update". But frankly, only a few thousand of us out of the suspected 12 million are tech-savvy for such an update. The bricks, the admin to support bricks would be an endless affair.

Also, OEMs. Convincing them to make new drivers to update current hardware would mean they can't sell more phones. OEMs want to sell phones. They want money, they will never choose update v/s new hardware. OEMs would also have to have support channels open for such bricks etc - again not good enough reason to put that effort on negligible number of users of this platform.

Above all, what I think the real, REAL reason is: Hardware. Current hardware although not outdate by any means isn't good enough to "exploit" WP8 kernel that powers a PC. The choice was:

Should we have a PC software run by mediocre hardware or should we launch it with awesome hardware that will exploit the new kernel? From business point of view, new hardware, new software = more attention grabbing.

My 2p :)
[HTC Titan] dragon_76:
Then by your logic, Microsoft should never release anything but bug fixes. In fact, the opposite is happening. Microsoft is planning on bypassing vendors and carriers starting with Windows 8. As far as hardware goes, no ATT rep is going to push Windows Phone now, and it is already well-known that has been a problem as it is.

In fact, it would behoove vendors if Microsoft supported current generation phones because they could work on streamlining current production instead of spending the money on new designs. Do you think the most valuable company in the world (Apple) doesn't understand this? The 3GS will run iOS 6! Other smartphone platforms are basically saying if you want your hardware supported the life if your contract, you need to buy an iPhone...

Also, just an FYI, windows phones are all the same. They all use 100% identical chipsets and have almost no custom hardware. The only difference they have is in the camera and those are high-level drivers. Microsoft was notoriously strict with their hardware spec. Hardware partners did not write any drivers, the same way PC vendors do not write any drivers. It is all a partnership between MS and chipset manufacturers.
[HTC Titan] fallenmonk:
I recieved an e.mail from Microsoft stating my titan will be able to recieve the window 8 update. What's that about?.
[HTC Titan] Finalforce1111:
According to the site where I got that info, all currently devices which run WP7 wont get the update, so we should wait and see...
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Hello Guys,

Before few days i bought samsung galaxy tab2 p3100. P3100 is the asian version of tab2 which also include 3g+wifi+gsm.

After much searching and testing i managed to flash a cwm and was able to root my Tab.

A BIG FAT WARNING, I MAKE NO GUARANTEES THIS WILL NOT BRICK YOUR TAB, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

So i thought that many p3100 users are still waiting for a proper guide so here it is:

HOW TO FLASH CWM :

First of all download the odin attached and extract it to a folder on your pc/laptop where you can find it.

Now download the expresso_recovery.tar file from the below mentioned link and also download the update.zip file attached.

Put your tab in to download mode[Volume down+power on button]

Start odin by clicking odin.exe.

In odin just tick on auto reboot and thats all. If you see any ticks in any boxes except this just untick it.

Now connect your tab via usb and the odin will detect your tab. It will be in yellow colour when it is detected.

Now in odin in pda select the expresso_recovery.tar file.

After that just press start.

When the flashing is done you will see a green colour and it will be saying pass this means the cwm has been flashed.

Just check if the cwm is working by putting your tab in to recovery mode[volume up+power on button]

Update : Guys you can also use the TWRP TOUCH RECOVERY by "teamw" & ClockworkMod Recovery 5.5.0.4 by "codeworkx".

ScreenShots, Cwm File & the original thread link posted below.

HOW TO ROOT

For rooting just put the update.zip file in your external sd card of your tab.

After that just put your tab in custom recovery mode.

You will get an option to select the file from external sd card.

Than select the update.zip file and you tab will be rooted and will reboot.

To check if its rooted just see in the applications menu if you are getting superuser app.

Enjoyyyy...

Cwm File v4.0.3 : Download

Cwm file for ICS v4.0.4 : Download

TWRP TOUCH RECOVERY : Download

Twrp Touch Recovery Original Thread : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1696176

ClockworkMod Recovery 5.5.0.4 " By codeworkx"

P3100 - 5.5.0.4: Download

P3110 - 5.5.0.4: Download

P3113 - 5.5.0.4: Download

P3100 Touch Recovery - 6.0.1.2: Download

Original thread by Codeworkx : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=27812563

Note : All the cwm's and rooting zips are not my work and i take no credits for this. I have just put this things in one post & have tried to make it as simple as i can for all the users. :)

Thanks

Teammw

Codeworkx
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nfribeiro:
Will this increase flash binary counter?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Ofcourse yes
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] xperia ray:
Post on which firmware version you tested this.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nfribeiro:
And until today there is no way to reset it, right?

So we lose warranty...
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
On indian rom le1 which i updated via ota
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Haha no u dont loose any warranty my tab just came from the service center and my flash cout was 7
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] abinbasu:
do you have any custom rom for tab 2 p3100?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
No custom rom has been made yet for p3100. I am making one for myself. Surely if the users want i will post it
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] abinbasu:
surely u r most welcome.. i think many 3100 users like myself r searching for a good custom rom based on aokp or cyanogenmod.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] incredible.razz:
Simple Way to Root

Hi Guys,

Thanks tapan15in for giving us the the detailed Guide for CWM flash and Rootin GT-P3100

here is my 2 paise(aka 2cent) Guide for rooting the GT-P3100 with latest ROM and CWM

Step -1: :cyclops: Download the latest Android 4.0.4 ROM[P3100DDBLF2] from SamFirmware.com

[Good if u register]P3100DDBLF2.

Step 0: Download ODIN 1.85 and cwm recovery and root flash (attached)

ODIN N CWM

Step 1: Copy the attached zip file to external microsd card and load it into your device (Keep in mind external SD not internal memory)

Now Boot your Device in Download Mode and Flash The P3100DDBLF2 ROM using ODIN (for instructions on ODIN read first POST)

Step 2: Once the New ROM(Andoid 4.0.4) is Installed and rebooted... boot your device again into Download Mode. Now in this time use ODIN to flash the downloaded CWM Recovery(recovery.tar.md5) (IN PDA)

Step 3: Now Boot your Device to Recovery:fingers-crossed: CWM will be loaded. In CWM select install zip from sdcard --> select the copied zip file --> reboot

STEP 4: :D ENJOY your ROOTED Android 4.0.4 Device :D

P.S: :rolleyes: Since CWM is flashed Software Update though downloads any new update but will fail to install...

FIX: Look for Updated ROM from samfirmware.com regularly and flash it in ODIN. Now ROM flashes will only update the existing installation (Ain't NO affects)
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Okay the recovery works i will update the post now. Thanx Incredible:)

Nice buddy i flashed the new 4.0.4 but the old cwm which i have given didnt work now trying the cwm you have posted lets see if it works. And than will try to root it.

If it works than will update it in the first post :)

Thanx
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
My tab2 is already android 4.0.4 ( by OTA update ) .

Which method should i use?? THte first one ?

Thanks
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Firs flash the cwm from the first post as says cwm file for ics 4.0.4. Than root your device by the update.zip i have attached:) This will solve your problem.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
i followed the steps .. used thte CMW recovery file for 4.0.4

odin turned green ( pass) ... i put the update.zip.zip in external card.

started the tab in recovery mode

and selected apply update from the external storage

it says

" E: signature verification failed "
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
which firmware are you using ???? please write the version
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
Build number

IMM76D.P3100DDBLF2

Kernel version

3.0.8
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Okay use the cwm posted by codeworkx
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
thanks ...

sorry for bugging you but can you give me the link ?

and one last question .. after i flash CMW , will i be able to use samsung s OTA updates ?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
I will post the cwm by codeworkx in this post.

Secondly no uou will not be anle to update via ota after this. You will have to ipdate manually via odin.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Mighty:
Do u have gapps? and cwm is old, use twrp
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
I have updated the post by including the CWM by codeworkx..
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
same problem .

for some reason i cant load CWM.

Odin shows pass ( green) but dont see CWM when i boot in recovery mode .
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
Buddy you from which country?? Flash indian stock rom first and than try
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
India ..

i did OTA update twice . May be that is why the current methods dont work
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] mrigoo:
It worked

I did a factory reset .

flashed the firmware ( i already had the same firmware installed ... dont know why but it worked )

Loaded CWM and rooted

Thanks for patiently helping me :good::cyclops:
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Tsjoklat:
When I look inside "update.zip" from the first page, there is a file called "default.prop" that seems to get installed.

#
# ADDITIONAL_DEFAULT_PROPERTIES
#
ro.secure=0
ro.allow.mock.location=0
ro.debuggable=1
persist.sys.usb.config=mtp,adb

Do I have to worry about default.prop overwriting a pre-existing file? What is the reason for adding this? Is it for busybox?

Edit: Also, why is update.zip not signed? Do we not have to sign zip files anymore?

Edit2: I signed "update.zip.zip" from the first page and made two versions, one with Superuser and one with SuperSu.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] miketoasty:
I believe this is just there to add items into the build.prop file that aren't allowable when first building it. Nothing here looks to be of any importance as they are all items that can be enabled and disabled in the system itself.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Tsjoklat:
Here is a newer version of the root package with SuperSu (0.92). Also, the su binary is now installed to /system/xbin by default for the SuperSU package.

Note: default.prop has also been removed from the root packages because it was not being installed anyway.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] prdepune:
Hey folks,

I am observing the same error " E: signature verification failed ".

I have tried with update.zip & cwm.....zip files. Same error appeared every time.

I just want to root my tab (P3100) & don't want to flash the ROM. Is it possible by any chance?

Android 4.0.3

Kernel 3.0.8-486861

Build IML74K.P3100DDALE1

Any help is appreciated.

Regards

Paresh
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Tsjoklat:
Try one of the versions I just posted. I signed it so you don't get the verification failed message. Either one should be ok. I made one with Superuser and one with SuperSU.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] prdepune:
I believe you are referring to 0.92 & 3.0.7 versions. I posted after checking them out too. I could see you have added signature files & its not working for me.:crying:

Paresh
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Tsjoklat:
Hmm. I tested both files on my device without problems, but if you are still having trouble, there is also an option in the recovery to turn off signature verification.

Edit: I think the signature verification problem is happening because your recovery is not properly flashed. Make sure you use the codeworkx recovery mod.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] prdepune:
Yes, I know. Thanks.

But as I mentioned in my earlier post, I don't want to flash the ROM. And original ROM e3 doesn't have option to turn off sign verification.

Any other alternative?

-Paresh
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Tsjoklat:
Root Package w/ Superuser 3.1

I have updated and signed the root package again with Superuser 3.1.3
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] prdepune:
No luck dear ... it seems I HAVE TO flash the ROM, only then I can get root access.

Thanks for your help.

-Paresh
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] enjoycool:
This fix your problem?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nfribeiro:
I think not. All rooting processes that I found will increase flash binary counter and there is no way to reset it, so far...

Correct me if I'm wrong.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] Pekedel:
Try to flash cwm but no luck. Stuck at Galaxy Tab 2 screen then it reboot again and again. Had to reflash stock rom. Btw I'm using P3100XXLE3. Any ideas?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
bro, try method from this post http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27792825&postcount=11

work for me :good:
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] kwbr:
Stock recovery

Hi tapan15in. Did you dump /dev/block/mmcblk0p6 to be able to restore stock recovery for the p3110?

Actually I am looking for temp root to dump the stock partitions.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nfribeiro:
Hi Guys,

Did anyone find a way to root this tab without increase flash binary counter?

Don't want to avoid warranty...
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] innov:
currently I think there's no other way, on a side note have anyone try "triangle away" apps that can remove binary flash counter? will this work with GT2? or do we have to use the USB JIG?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
So far as i know, triangle away is for Exynos based processors & chainfire himself stated not to try it on the non listed devices... but i also hope chainfire will include support for p31xx in the future :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] innov:
Thanks, I managed to root my P3100 at last after several previous attempt failed (due to update via OTA to 4.0.4 prior installing CWM Recovery).
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
tapan15in should update the single post link by incredible.razz to OP, should help those who have troubles(i was one of them:o) odin flashing cwm & rooting their p3100 device :)
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] tapan15in:
I have already updated the files on the original post. Please see
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] shinydesert:
Thanks a lot for all your time and effort to keep this updated. I was able to instal CWM and root in 5 minutes.It worked very well on my P-3100

Thanks again.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] ze0:
did your flash counter increased ??
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
good news (i think :p)! Chainfire is currently looking for Mobile Odin testers for GT-P31xx http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28450507&postcount=1538 :D
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nfribeiro:
I am also interested in finding a way to reset flash binary counter but it seams nobody cares around here.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
no offense but there are no solution for it so far, not that nobody care... we have no usb jig support, no triangleaway support(yet)... only mobile odin is on the way, i know the app cannot reset binary counter but atleast it won't increase flash binary counter... :)
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nfribeiro:
I think we willl never get usb jig support and triangleaway support, so forget it

What I am trying to find is a way of only rooting and then I can use mobile Odin (Chainfire already developing for GT-P31XX) to flash custom kernels without increase flash binary counter.

Things that already exists for:

- Galaxy SII -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1501719

- Galaxy Note -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1329360

But I am not a developer... :crying:
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
great findings :good: ! hope to see any generous devs out there willing to port the methods to be used for our device... :D
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
Good news! Mobile Odin support for P31XX now official :D
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] nohctis:
will this steps still applicable for the new update (4.0.4 IMMP76D.P3313UEBLG2) ?

EDIT: to answer my own question.. Yes, my updated tab is rooted using the same steps and files (use 4.0.4).
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] r3drogo:
just to add that you must have installed the SAMSUNG_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones.exe

you can find it here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1564104
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] balliboxer:
How can we unroot our device gt-p3100?
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
If your device currently rooted, just flash official stock firmware using mobile odin without everroot option ticked... :)

Can use desktop odin too if you wish, but flash binary counter will be increased... :(
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] azturbomini:
Help please

Guys, I received my 3113 yesterday and attemped to Root?Flash CWM this morning. I went step by step even making sure I downloaded the correct CWM for 4.4. I was able to flash CWM, ran the update file to root and it all went perfectly until I rebooted the tablet. I am now stuck in a bootloop but can get into CWM and the download area on the tablet. I tried to do a CWM backup but there was an issue backing up data. The backup did finish just the data issue. I don't know what to do or try next! Any ideas as Im totally lost... :confused:

I also tried a factory reset from CWM but still getting the bootloop.
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] baliriot:
try download [GT-P3113][4.0.3] - Stock Rooted De-Odexed - Base: IML74K.P3113UEALD3, transfer to your sdcard, then flash in CWM

or

download stock firmware P3113 of your choice or here, boot to download mode, then flash firmware via Odin

all the best :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Tab 2 7" Android Development] azturbomini:
I would like to try Scotts rom but he lost the roms for the Gtab due to a website crash. :crying: Ill try the stock rom from Samsung and let you know what happens.

Thank you!

---------- Post added at 03:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:11 PM ----------

In ODIN desktop... What do I Check/Uncheck and do I use PDA to update the firmware?

Thanks