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[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
And I don't like to point.....

But I know a Dutch Mod, I think he has humor, and might drink a lot...

:p

Via my BinDroided Hox
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Unfortunately those two are lost causes. I've spoken to them on many occasions and the only real solution is to lock them up and throw away the key. Some of us thought this was maybe a little to drastic, so we decided to leave them here so they could cause havoc on the forums. Appears to be working so far, just need to keep topping up their medication
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
You'll be the one getting sorted out laddie let me tell you...

Don't think I won't put you across my knee and... Erm.... Well, nevermind......

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[About XDA developers] Neo XL:
If you read my post you will know, that i don´t think, that all mods or developers are in the same way, i just think, there were more here in the last years....but it´s one of the less time, i saw so much prominet figures posting successively as in this thread:laugh: That´s good.

A little sorry, that no one seems to read the rest of my text. Just a sign of the times.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
err.... what? Windows CE may have existed from way back when, but the first iteration(s) of the WinCE variants were known as PocketPC and they came out at around the year 2000, later became Windows Mobile when it hit 2005 with the introduction to the market of WM5 (codename Magneto), in which the old PPC 2002 got renamed to WM2003 and WM2003SE. The iPhone didn't hit the streets until 2007. As for the closed market.... I have a feeling that you are mixing stuff up....

Anywho, gotta keep reading as I am still catching up.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
The rest of the text was very good,

To bad you had to end it that way... :p :D

But no probs...
[About XDA developers] Neo XL:
I think, the problem is, that all others feel affected, but not the ones i meant :crying: I edited the post for better understanding.

No problem at all... but the closure of CoreDroid Thread was my intention to post here, not the only reason, but the last.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
you do know it is open again:cool:
[About XDA developers] joefrank:
Im mentioning the first handhelds, which came out in the early 90-s which brought windows. This is where Htc came to be. Check even htc history and youl find that the were developing handhelds windows before 2001. And they evolved to our smart phones. Which yeah started around 2001. But my point was that windows market place. Came late in windows mobile history. And the idea of closed market came with the iphone, then android. And with its success windows decided to open a closed market. Before that you had to look all over the web.

Even so I see, that many of the people who commented. Never had winmo. Because the closed market didnt work on wm, because you could find every app on the web as on the market. And no wm was limited by windows or cariers to the market.

As for android we had to root most of the early devices to do so.

In wm, there werent souch limitations. And I can say I had three. :thumbup::D

Thats why Ive been here at xda since 2005 and counting:thumbup::D

Flashaholic Brotherhood ♛
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
I guess we have come to an end on this thread.

I'm wondering if the MODs have been discussing things written here, and if they are willing to share with us.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
I haven't looked into this in full detail, but I know there is discussion ongoing about sharing, and what is required, expected, and tolerated.

I would ask though that people don't try to pull the wool over our eyes though. This is a developer site, so many of our staff are experienced developers, and able to check things out easily.

In cases where a user tries to conceal the origin of some kind of code or tweak, through small changes, this will adversely affect them.

If they feel hard done by, please talk to us about the issue. Don't try to repost the same stuff with a few name tweaks... Talk to us, we don't bite, explain what is going on. We will then look at it, and if there's something untoward, it will get sorted out.

It's like in real life, if someone steals your phone, it's not ok to steal an identical model and write your name on the case with a sharpie! Instead you talk to the police, and they will try to recover it... but they won't be fooled by you putting your name on someone else's phone, it will just get you in more bother!

This is just a general observation that I think applies well here.
[About XDA developers] Laurentius26:
@DutchDanny,

Well said, thanks a lot. :)

To my opinion people should more appreciate each others work, not only the noobs who are just starting,

also developers among each other.

To the starting noob one advise, take your time to read and use the search button before you open a new thread.

This board has a welt on information and it's a lot of fun to read, keep in mind people here spent there time for free helping you,

a thank you is the least you can do to show your appreciation.

Also your fellow Xda'r will appreciate it if you keep the board clean from clutter and use an existing thread for your questions.

To Developers one advise, it's great if you are the best and develop kick ass apps or whatever but be yourself and enjoy,

we all started at the bottom.

Together we can move mountains. :cool:

Hopefully people understand what I'm trying to say. :good:

Grtz, Laurentius26 :)
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
OMG Laurentius is about. How's it going man?

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Laurentius26:
@Fallan Spartan, sorry removed my post as it's a bit off topic isn't? Thanks ;)
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
This thread has gone off topic a few times...

This is also fun...

Via my BinDroided HOX
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Bump!

http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...addition-to-sharing-policy-on-xda-developers/

Apache?

So, If a dev shares a rom with someone on xda...with the new rules Apache becomes GPL? (of course not literally, i mean the sharing)

Mr.X shares a mod which Mr.M uses and improves it in his rom(which is publicly released)...now with the new rules Mr.M is forced to share the source right?
[About XDA developers] mikef:
I don't see where Apache figures into this. The way I read it, Mr X cannot share his mod "only" with Mr M. If Mr X shares with Mr M then he must share with Mr A, Mr B, etc...Mr X would also need to define his sharing and exclusivity policy. Is it free for all with proper attribution? Does permission need to be asked/granted first? If Mr M has updated the code then he would also need to define his policies for this.

One possible loophole, is Mr M allowed to define a tighter or more restrictive sharing policy than Mr X on which his work was based? Can Mr M decide that his version, which is say 80% Mr X's code and 20% Mr M's code, is going to be exclusive where Mr X has freely shared with all?
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Hmm..lets just deal with it when one such issue arises.

Till then, peace out brotha. :)
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
I will come in later but this is the most accurate post in the entire thread so far. Thank you.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Sorry Ben, but here we disagree.

If you don't want to share your work, don't publish it on XDA

Cause thats what XDA is about.

Example:

I did share my knowledge with you, because I like to share, I never kept secrets on what I do.

This might not be code, but it took me hours to get me where I am now.

If Sergio did not share his knowledge with me, I would not be here writing this post.

SHARING > > SHARING

Is that so hard, if so.... xda is not the place to be
[About XDA developers] jotha:
As you might be right in many cases, there are a lot of situtions where that falls short. There are a lot of things that can be done only in one way. So that reminds me of the apple-samsung-fight. I mean having a tablet with round corners and prohibiting others from making their tablet similar is ridiculous imho.

But let's transport it to xda and android development:

Wouldn't it be ridiculous if the first guy that made battery%-mods possible by enhancing the corresponding xml's with a lot of rather similar code-lines would prohibit all others from making battery%-mods just because they have to use that xml's the same way? There wouldn't be any other (intelligent) way to do it. So there wouldn't be any other battery-mods.

That is one very primitive example, and there are certainly much more sophisticated things copied and kanged, but you might get the point.

I think a way to get that thing into a frame could be that RD's could use everything from other RD's (with proper crediting). All other users need permissions and can be denied. This would include ofc that the RD-Selection would ensure that a RD is really capable of "developing" and not only of rearranging existing things.
[About XDA developers] :
Spot on. Well said. That's exactly what's gone down this week.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Originally Posted by jotha

Wouldn't it be ridiculous if the first guy that made battery%-mods possible by enhancing the corresponding xml's with a lot of rather similar code-lines would prohibit all others from making battery%-mods just because they have to use that xml's the same way?

To get something to work, you have to write code.

If you change that code, it would not work.

If 2 xml files or 2 smali files look the same...

It's because it works that way...

If I change that code, it don't work...

What file is the original?

what file is the Kang?

I can't tell the difference, can you?

They look the same... Because the hack works that way..

Hmmmm :rolleyes:
[About XDA developers] benjamin.j.goodwin:
Jotha, I agree with your solution but think my point was missed.

With your example I am not stating that we couldn't do it at all just that we should not simply take. I understand that sometimes doing something may result in you using the exact same method but if you are able to develop and have been recognised as such, then you should. Quite often though, there are many ways to do things and sometimes other methods are better.

I do also agree that by submitting something on this site you are letting it be shared however, I do not think this should mean any old person taking and claiming it. We talk of a community but behaviour like that is far from what should be seen in a community (& I would like to add here that doesn't mean I show any alliance to some behaviour shown in any retaliations).

& Danny, you know I am more than thankful for your knowledge and would be very much still stuck at being scared to post on XDA for fear of sounding like a n00b. You made that choice and it is in your personality to be open and welcoming; much like BinDroid as a team (I can only comment on BD). However, if you had spent countless hours/weeks/days doing something I wouldn't just take I would ask and if you said no I would then enquire as to why and if you would be able to help direct me. That way I learn and maybe discover ways to improve (or not ;)) I would also be mighty annoyed for you if someone had done the same. I know how much time and effort you put into your builds and I am quite sure should someone just take and rip yours off as theirs you would be a little pee'd. (I am allowed though ;))

As jotha has said RD/RT's should work together and publish get our stuff amazing. If you want to learn and don't have the ability then you should have to ask. If it's a no then you've got to learn but that way you will be able to get those lovely titles yourself. Communicate.
[About XDA developers] Pfaffinator:
You don't get it. You don't want to share, don't post. You want it to be all yours? Then post it where they don't share, and then you can sit around in your basement all by yourself saying " look at me, look what I did!" Or start your own company and get all the patents and copyrights to keep people from using it.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
So if a user creates an app from scratch,spending many hours, days or weeks working on it, then posts it on XDA, it's okay for somebody else to simply take it, change something minor, and post it off as their own?

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
This
[About XDA developers] Pfaffinator:
Better yet, **** you goku, **** xda, and all you ****ing babies on here. Peace to the few of you I actually liked. **** you mods!!!!!!! Happy trails mother****ers!!!!!!
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Wow. First class jack. Bravo sir bravo. Very nice attitude indeed. :rolleyes:
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
He is now banned

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
When someone write this :

What do you think of that. If you share your stuff with the community, that's means that you allow the community to use your stuff, with the possibilty to edit them to improve them.

Then this member write: people that kang my stuff.

If he shared his job with others, once this has been improved, tested, why telling them to stop the use.

If the dev gave his agreement for use he didn't return for saying "don't use it now".

Sorry, but for me it's seems logical
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Thanks...

This is not what this discussion is about

EDIT: I will read up on this tomorrow, bed time now.

Love the discussion so far... Hope you 2

Cheers
[About XDA developers] Sergio76:
Well i did get a answer to that. " I developer time is very expensive i will make the quick settings toggles donate me One dollar every time its used"

I few screens proving that conversation should clarefy things.

Not mentioning that was also said " No one can make a tweaks app like me on XDA" or "Mode Smali files like me on XDA".

Saying such things looks like we all NOOBS at XDA and only this guys is a real Dev around here.

Does it make you fell good...guess not

Well i proven him wrong once and what i got was punishment from some Moderators at XDA. After so long sharing and people using my stuff when you get something like this just makes you fell sad, Its ALL about Making MONEY this days.

Thinking taking my title makes me fell bad ...

Thinking anything people say makes me fell bad...

Thinking about all whats been going on around here on the last 2 years makes me fell bad...

Well i dont really care.

What i do CARE is make sure what ever i do i make people happy with what i do and share all else for me is rubish.

Im not here to be the ONE or the BEST.

Im here cause the comunity (YOU) deverve choices. Or we all add same exact phone, software even figthing for the same women :) i do like the choises :)
[About XDA developers] benjamin.j.goodwin:
I completely agree that some reactions seen where not right and the attitude also wasn't so I am not agreeing with this.

I just think that at the end of the day there needs to be clear guidelines stated with which we can move on and hopefully return XDA to apparently what it once was (something I don't know, being a n00b ;))
[About XDA developers] :
I think that the issue arises from what constitutes unfair advantage taken of another's work, passed off as your own.

I'm not saying that any work put up on XDA is fair game for anyone to take, re-badge, and then pass off as his or her own work. Far from it. Respect should be given to the hard work put in by the original author, and permission should always be sought and appropriate credit given if that is what is to happen.

But if there is only one way source code can be modified to carry out certain commands or changes, then can a developer who first wrote those changes, claim sole ownership of those command lines?

If a developer asks permission to use someone else's work, and permission is denied, fair enough. That developer has then to carry the work out himself. To put the time and the effort in to code his own version, instead of getting a free ride from another developer's hard work by employing the crtl+C & ctrl+V approach.

If that is then done, what if the original author goes to the moderators and says, "Look, his changes to the source code match mine here and here!"

Well of course they will.

And without proper appreciation of the abilities of the accused, it could easily be presented as a Kang. That does not, in my opinion, necessarily constitute one.

This is where judgement needs to be taken using Moderation. Hence moderators are sometimes required to step in. Moderation for me would mean not just comparing changes, but assessing if the accused has the ability to have made those himself. Was there another way to have made them? To what degree can one person claim sole ownership to an idea? Where do XDA draw the line that best respects both the hard work of the developers as individuals, and the benefit of the community as a whole.

If a developer does the work himself, then perhaps credit should be given to the original author for the 'inspiration' or 'original concept' maybe. But not be accused of plagiarism. Then as long as that stays on XDA where that inspiration was taken from, so everyone can benefit from it, then isn't that in the best interests of this community?
[About XDA developers] mikef:
Excellent points Russ, I agree with all, but the last one could be expanded more accurately by replacing "XDA" with "Internet". This is going on everywhere. No respect, no common decency, no manners. People feel free to say things they would NEVER say to someones face.
[About XDA developers] scifitrekkie:
One thing amazes me, is how fast Moderators act to close threads because someone says he "kanged me"..

In New Zealand we have a law "innocent until proven guilty" (probably applies to numerous other countries as well).

Should threads not remain open to the "Community" until this is either proven or disproved one way or the other!!!!

Hang in there CoreDroid :D
[About XDA developers] Russ741:
XDA follows the same dogma and just as the police in NZ, UK, USA or any other rational nation would do, if you were accused of committing crimes you would be locked up (closed)until the authorities sorted it out.

---------- Post added at 10:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:36 PM ----------

You are of course correct, except I have no personal connection to the internet. What people say to each other there is only a sad reflection of where our civilization is going. I have a personal vested interest in XDA, part of what XDA is are the rules I wrote so when I see out of control self empowered teens taking advantage of XDA I am personally offended. What people say or do on the rest of the internet is what it is.
[About XDA developers] DanteGR:
Russ said it better than anyone I believe.

Well the thing is this.

Permission to use another dev's work should always be asked. Period.

But does that mean that u cannot develop the work that u have borrowed from another dev?

Is there a contract or a law somewhere that states "you can use another dev's work by getting permission first but you cannot develop on it"?

This is what real development is imho.

To put it in the specific situation now.

Sergio asked Jan's permission and included the tweaks in the CD rom. Then he developped the tweaks and (maybe?) made a better tweaks mod.

Now Jan could develop from there and make even better tweaks and so forth.

I understand and fully respect that Jan was the first one making the tweaks. I had praised him in the past and of course rated his thread with 5* (btw what is this obssession with rating i cannot understand but still..)

What is beyond me is the fact that no-one can build on the tweaks to make them better other than Jan.

I love Jan's work and I love Sergio's work and Lee's and Mike's and every single dev's here. After all they do this in their free time with no great benefit for them. Just the love of the users here. And they ALL deserve it.

First time I came on these forums about 18 months ago the thing that stood out to me most was the great sharing going on. And to tell u the truth right now I am dumbfounded about this whole situation.

Come on people the purpose here is sharing, sharing and more sharing (with credit given to everyone involved ofcourse)!

And that's what is all about!

Sharing with the man next to you :)

Just my 2c :)
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
After reading the entire thread, this was exactly what was on my mind, couldn't have said it better myself. Take this thread for example - http://bit.ly/KkFyFc (quote from the OP) -

When was the last time you read something like this on XDA? In the one year i spent here, I haven't. scrosler said he thinks that if you don't want people to use your work, why share it on the internet?

Granted, it isn't possible to make all the stuff on XDA free to copy by anyone who wants to do so, mostly because of the fact that many people would just make minor changes to some files, and advertise it as their own. In this case, the users can't differentiate between the two ROMs, and may end up with the copied version.

Another case is that a dev actually makes good use of others' work. He, may theme every single aspect of the ROM, change the green color in Sense to blue, and end up with a completely different version. This ROM for example is based off capychimp's RcMix 4.0, which is clear from the thread title. The original dev wouldn't mind something like this, and it would benefit the end users by providing them choice. Those who like blue can use the themed ROM, and those who don't, can use the stock version. Shouldn't such work be promoted??

Instead, we see stuff like what happened last week, the CoreDroid thread was closed, and Sergio's well-deserved title RD was taken away, and for what, because something they made was similar to that made by someone else. It would be justified to take action against someone who blatantly copied one's work, disregarding all the rules, but doing this just because they "stole someone's ideas"?