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[About XDA developers] Basil3:
I actually see things differently. I have no problem with a dev calling their ROM the best, they can be proud of what they've done. A bit of competition is healthy, I would like to see devs push each other to come up with new innovations, not just rehashes of the same old stuff.

As far as being a sharing forum, that is true, but it is first and foremost a development forum (IMHO). If this sharing leads to further development/innovation, then it is a good thing. If it is only shared to be bolted onto another ROM with no further development, then it is not necessarily good.
[About XDA developers] tommytomatoe:
If someone takes my apple pie and adds ice cream to it - awesome! A new idea to an existing entity means progress, laterally or vertically.

If someone takes my apple pie and puts it in a new box, New label - not the best method. But when the pie is tasted most people will know where the pie came from originally because if the chef put enough work into it he/she should be confident that the work will stand out, regardless of how it was delivered.

If someone takes my apple pie, break it down, and turn it into cherry pie and add ice cream - super awesome. I put time in my work and present it to the community for critique, use, and above all potential improvement. If a different person has a better idea and want to improve an existing entity, for the community's sake and for the sake of betterment I can't stand to say no or deny.

I think more or less one of these three situations describe what most of us here call "development". The apple pie in my examples are often Aosp's open source files, HTC Sense roms, and Samsung roms. It can also mean custom roms, mods, and/or apps.

These examples apply in the scope of community betterment. I don't wish to apply these to developers who write apps for a living. Their code is their code. Much like HTC sense and other proprietary OS. No one has the right to make them share.

But if the end goal is to simply make a better user experience and push the envelope, then by all means take the existing product (be it a mod, Rom, app, so long as it isn't restricted via money or copyright licenses) and do your best to make it better. If you follow developer etiquette then no one has anything on you. By this I mean credits and props. I try to be an example for this in everyone one of my posts and projects.

Sorry for long extended metaphor. Perhaps ketchup or tomatoe juice would have been the better analogy :-)
[About XDA developers] joefrank:
I for my part, have been here since xda started. When there was no portal. Only a few wm forums,. You didnt have to be a member to download. And the text were all CENTERED.

I placed big words in centered because of two reasons. Xda had a centered text format..all yellow screen with brown buttons. But secondly. We as wm users knew the true meaning of open source. No device has been as opensource as winmo.

From the device to the people open source was something to respect. Everyone had to share, and everyone was learning. Yes, at times injustice came. Then came the members lock, and the form of moderators to keep the growing forums aligned. By 2006. This forums were awesome, but simple. Not many devices and many of them didnt reach the USA. But we learned. We were amased with the coming of tf3d on the diamond to the 1ghz device. Now I know we have grown but I asure you xda needs people to be unselfish, and work together. I have to say that I miss the days were you could mix and match themes and mods by posting in gratitude and giving a recognition, was the only thing needed.

I would like to finish saying. I could make a awesome mod. And keep it one way. But If I open to new ideas maybe someone could take it to a next step. And make it even better! Thats the history of android and Xda.

Joefrank sinse 2005

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[About XDA developers] NeoS:
I think you're mistaken. Windows Mobile was never open source. The only open source OS here is Android, to a certain degree.

In reply to this thread: Sharing is what made XDA the great place it is today. But somehow people thought "hey, I hacked/modded/made this, and it's MINE, so other people are not allowed to use it." This is the wrong mindset on a development forum like XDA, as we can only get new and better development if be build on current achievements. Just make sure you credit the original developer on their code/hack/mod and make your sources and code know to the community.
[About XDA developers] joefrank:
Dont want to come out too strong, but dude......:banghead:

We aint here discousing software, were on a situation. That has draimned the live of a big part of xda. This is why other forums were started. And xda has been devided.

Ive seen this too mutch. Disputes over software/mods/hacks. Has weaked the force of development. One of the best sample. Would be the Dhd thread. People there were on one thought to make it great. And developers reached a amasing level of sucsses. And look at it now. Many have left because of this. Do you think the the htc Hd2 would be still alive if developers were on each other?

Many threads closed because of lack of agreement. ::D

And I used Wm as example because it was the backbone of xda. Its roots were founded on the dream of making the software ops. And here is were htc and others come to take knowledge. And im aware of what I just said. And its true!

Many of what you see today started as mod here.

Android if you like, was something we discused here before it even came out. The new look of sense in android came with the mods of manilla sense tf3D. Made here. Like cookie monster did withe diamond, and other. Here we reached highs that cant be compromised by thoughts of superiority.

Xda changed mobile software. Like everytime htc came and said that we couldnt hack their phones. And each time came a group of people here and proofed them wrong!

Some how all that you said there was what I said. Xda is an open source place. If you dont want your mods to be used by someone else dont post. Xda is read in many contries. All over the world.

I think here we made Android a true open source:thumbup::D

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[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Windows mobile was as open source as the files in the Pentagon are accessible by the outside world. The fact that we had devs who could reverse engineer the hell out of it is a different story, but if you can find the source code for windows mobile, I would love to see it as would most developers.
[About XDA developers] af974:
I guess you are confused, wm was never been an open source Os, in fact it comes from mother Microsoft = closed market.

Uh??

back in WM days if you wanted to build a Rom you needed to work a bit and every rom was unique.

Kanging a wm rom wasn't easy because winzip was not used in development.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=612
[About XDA developers] :
It sounds like you guys are confusing what he meant. Which is although windows mobile was super closed source. The reverse engineering and developing on xda developers was super open sourced, and everyone was sharing

When the mods/admins have time, can you jump in the RC private chat forum, theres a thread there named rudeness that has a few ideas that could address noob/flaming/trolling problems :)

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[About XDA developers] joefrank:
Wm existed since 1989, and had a closed market at 2005 after the iphone

No thats not real closed market came after the iphone and android. There was no real market on this phones

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[About XDA developers] joefrank:
Thanks Shaky. Youre one of the people I support. On this, working for xda. And yes we made every os open source.

We hack them and take out the consumer injustice in every os. Thats what were here????

No?

Arent we here because we loved to see our phones do more????

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[About XDA developers] af974:
Dude, i don't mean to be rude but can you use the "multi-quote" ? It is kinda boring to see your big signature duplicated everytime.

Thank you ;)
[About XDA developers] joefrank:
Let me get my self clear here. Winmo, as android where made true opensource os. Here, anyone says android is open source I respect that. But I would much rather give the applause to the developers here that through often in history in this almost 10 years of xda. Have defided every company which tells us that their products are the best. And always keep on asking us what were they thinking?

Why cant they give us every part of tech they can bring?

Well. Thats what we stand for. Each developer making a new stand. For as simple or small step taken. Is a great step. What we reached here is incomparable to most of what we expected. And yes we have influenced the market. Didnt att and other carriers banned the thetering.

Didnt we add it to unsopported devices. And they add it again. Didnt we discovered ways of sending free texts. And companies started giving unlimited texts.

Thats what were here for stand in the way of the big companies. And we cant reach every step of greatness alone. We need all our heads toghether to take each step forward and none back. To keep prooving that we as consumers have to be respected. And that we want them to know that we paid full for devices, which we expect the most from them. And technology isnt only for the rich and features are not to be stuck in one device. As we could all have them. Thats what xda is about. Telling thanks HTC, samsung, lg, nokia, motorola and specially apple. Thanks for what you didnt give me, but I still have from XDA. That what its xda to me.

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[About XDA developers] Steve0007:
Xda "sharing" Chart/Policy ?

I guess everyone here in this community has his words to say on this matter, because all together we are this community.

We can see many different opinions on the way forward about sharing work, end "products" made by developers, themers or users. And the different points of view are seen at all xda levels, some admin./mods/dev./users say as long as this is posted in xda it should be sharable, others saying it shouldn't as it doesn't stimulate developments. Mod., developers, users, all have different view also on this matter.

Android is open source, does it mean that everything is free to use and share, obviously not, this is why GooglePlay is there. Now to come back to xda, as far as I can see there isn't any clear picture on the way forward about sharing...

Admin., mods, dev., themers and users have different points of view and all are respectable but I believe xda admin. Committee should decide on the xda sharing policy. Today is everything but clear.

Hereafter, is just my point of view on this matter on sharing app.

I believe as long as the dev./themer clearly states on the thread that this app. is coming from Mr X developper and that there is a direct link to the original thread, I would think that should be acceptable. To ensure that the original developer has time to support properly the app. he has developed, he should only share the app. with others dev. after a certain time (something like a week or 2), if he wish to share it immediately that should be also possible.

The users can clearly see that this app. was originally made by Mr X developer, and there shouldn't be any confusion on this.

At the contrary, using someone work/app., modifying the name to make it his and not crediting the original dev. should not be accepted as it is nothing but taking somebody else work/app w/o proper credit.

Whatever is decided by the Admin. Committee on the xda sharing Chart/policy, it should be clearly stated and communicated and as such we will all know what we have to expect in that regards. Today, as said earlier depending on whom you ask on the xda sharing policy you don't get the same reply and admin./mods do not all demonstrate the same philosophy on this matter. So the remaining question is what's next ?
[About XDA developers] hotrodwinston:
i keep reading of problems on xda and it just dont go with how i see this place.

mods/admin/user experience please take note of this thread and change things accordingly before this ship sinks!
[About XDA developers] Scabes24:
Steve I couldn't agree with you more. The line between kanging and not kanging is too thin. Another issue is that some devs, that prefer not to share their work with everyone, aren't very clear about who can and who can't use their work, and on top of that, they aren't very clear about how much of their work is actually theirs. But let's say a dev created an app 100% himself, then gave permission to another dev to use it in his ROM.. should the creator be allowed to revoke permission later down the road whenever he pleases? Lastly, when someone is accused of kanging I think they deserve the right to defend themselves directly with the mod committee. These are just my thoughts, but like Steve mentioned a solid sharing policy must be first priority. With all the great posts in this thread so far I think we should be able to come up with at least one possible solution.

Possible solution - Create two types of sharing policies:

1. Standard XDA Sharing Policy - This would be the default when sharing, anyone may use your work but they must give proper credit to you. If you'd like to keep track of who is using your work you can request that everyone that uses your work must PM you just to notify. NOTE: this does NOT mean users can simply stamp their name on it, call it their own, and then give you credit.

2. Custom Sharing Policy - You would have to apply for this one, applications would be reviewed by the Elite RDs maybe..? If granted, you'd be allowed to write up your own policy with a stamp of approval from the mods to be placed in your first post. If you're limiting permission you must state who can use your work in the first post. (I know this sounds like a lot of work, but XDA is based on sharing, so if you don't want to share then you should have to earn that right)

I'm aware this solution has many holes and doesn't even cover everything. Just my attempt to get the brainstorming started for the committee while I'm sitting in traffic. :)

Sent from my HTC Flyer
[About XDA developers] :
I miss the old xda days, development on there was thee best!

Thanks mods for looking into the rc forum, hope the new solution works good

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[About XDA developers] henk2484:
I couldn't agree more. Instead of discussing what the sharing policy is and if there even is one, we need to move foreward and take a lesson learned of what has been discussed here.

Let's not talk about how it is now or how or was in the past. Let's talk about how we can do it from now on.

I couldn't have put it in better words than Scabes24 did. You got my thanks :thumbup:

Sent from my CoreDroid powered One X using Satellite Beams
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
That was the whole idea of this thread.

Get opinions, and maybe even ideas like Scabes.

There are enough mods on this thread, and I think they are talking about what's been said here.

Let's wait and see if they can come up with something, or propose something here.

Send via my BinDroid XTC One X
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
@Scabes24 Excellent, just what I was thinking. If someone shares something on the internet, they shouldn't get too possessive and keep it to themselves, especially on a site like XDA. The "Standard XDA Sharing Policy" you talked about seems perfect to me :)

Small question to the mods here - is anyone thinking of actually implementing the Hall Of Fame idea posted a while ago? Seems to be the best idea around this thread, there is practically no disadvantage to it
[About XDA developers] mvisions:
Thanks you

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[About XDA developers] dondavis007:
Great post. I have great hope for CM/AOxx and if there where a thing like open source hardware to motor my phone I prefered that....

Sent from a gadget...
[About XDA developers] williamyi:
I'm not a developer, and I'm not siding any one and would just like to share my point of view here.

I know Android is an open source work, but as a user, we always wanted more and more choice. For example, HTC has Sense, Samsung has TW & Sony has their own skinned UI although all are based on Android. It is good that if they can share each of their great piece of work and combined everything in a single package and it will benefit the users. However, to each of its own, all of them have their own uniqueness that attract different category of users

Just same as the ROM. If for any phone, there is 20 custom ROMs available for users to flash but if they have no any distinctive uniqueness, it just seems like they are the same and just like a duplication of work. If user find ROM A has what they need then they will stick with ROM A even thou ROM B or ROM C has been published. If a developer find some features from other ROM is great or benefiting to the users, they should maybe come out with something that could benefit their users as well.

I'm working as a trainer. I have quite a good knowledge in powerpoint. I don't mind to share my knowledge in how to use the software to enhance your presentation. I also share the source with my colleagues on where can we find information on topics that we need to present. This is what we call fair and healthy competition (like a developer pm another developer asking for guidance how to create or write some code so we can learn from each other and pass the knowledge down). But to be honest, I really hate when someone copy work by just changing the arrangement of points, changing the way of animation but the content is exactly the same.

As I said, I'm not a developer and not siding anyone. I respect each and every developer out there who spent time develop great ROM for us. This is just my 2 cents
[About XDA developers] Basil3:
@k2trill

Good comment, particularly regarding what may seem epic today may not seem so epic tomorrow.

A lot of devs who were doing some pretty groundbreaking stuff on previous phones I owned now seem one step behind the game. Maybe they have too many devices to maintain now, maybe they have too much going on in the real world, maybe they've lost their drive to create and innovate. I dunno.

Hopefully the new kids on the block, who are truly offering something new at the moment, inspire them to once again come up with something epic.
[About XDA developers] k2trill:
I can't stress enough that what REALLY matters is HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE on whatever site and in whatever forum you are in. People's ROMs and devices change daily but you can make FRIENDS (or sadly, enemies) that can outlast the afformentioned. Luckily I have made more friends here and on other sites than enemies but I still TRY to squash the BS and move on. Case in point: I talk to Scabes24 all the time. I met him when I was running the CD ROM on my Inspire a couple of years ago. I haven't even had at&t let alone an Inspire in still that long but he is still MY FRIEND! I met NilsP when I got my Rezound using his Business Sense ROMs. Again, I consider him a friend. I haven't run his ROMs in a couple of months (waitin on his Sense 4 ha ha ha) but nevertheless, I drop in his thread and help people from time to time to this day and I do minor modding for members who know just a little less than myself. My VERY LIMITED abilities I learned from Scabes24, pendo, NilsP and some others. Through this learning and helping cycle I feel I am giving back to the communities. I may NEVER be able to create tweaks or even understand how they work BUT I appreciate everyone that does JUST AS MUCH as I appreciate the people who sit at their machines and churn out custom .png images for hours, weeks, and months so that again everyone has a myriad of CHOICES.
[About XDA developers] Basil3:
You speak the truth, my friend. We are blessed with a lot of talented individuals who devote their spare time to giving us some pretty amazing stuff.

I know some very friendly, helpful individuals on here who other people might have another view of. You have the right attitude. Squash the BS and move on. Don't let other people's opinions or hearsay affect your views on people. Only when you deal with someone first hand can you form an opinion.

You are also completely right when you say we want choices. Variety is the spice of life. I'm not just talking skinning and repackaging. True choice comes from inspiration and innovation. That is what I love about xda.
[About XDA developers] Neo XL:
I remember the time of HTC Diamond, when the run for donation began. At this time i created many themes for the Diamond, later for the HD2 and some roms for the HTC Herald. I never had the idea, that i want to earn donations, because it´s fun to create something and share it with the community here. Today the most threads have big donation buttons and this is one of the reasons, why the idea of sharing and working together fades into background.

One other reason is, that teamwork has no longer the great appreciation as it has had in the earlier years of XDA. The Mods could promote this, but still less do. If someone creates something new and others want to use some of his elements, decency requires them to mention the creator. But if someone won´t share his work, i think, he is not right on XDA, because all work here is based on "kanging" Sense, Android, Windows Phone, HTC drivers and more. Don´t forget this.

In some thread the developers really are heating, ever to be honored and loved. They obviously need a lot of credit. Some days they write: "Don´t ask about the new release", next day - if there are a little less posts, they write" In the next release you can expect extremely hot things", so the questions about the release and the wishes were pushed again. This is an ambivalent behavior.

It´s the decision of the mods, but also of the community, to where XDA will evolve in the future. I hope, the idea of sharing will come back in the foreground and also the humor and lightness of the earlier times. Today a funny joke mostly will not be understould, ends in a fight, or is deleted immediately, rather than thinking about the reason it was posted.... no sense for humor and satire...at least happened to me in the PKMN Thread, which was the base to these posts here. I really respect the great power of the Pokémon team, but their attitude should change.

Edit for better understanding: (Some)Mods without humor, (some)developers without the feeling for real teamwork in a community....bad times ??? I hope, not really.
[About XDA developers] :
Any chance rc can get an option to lock the thread/lock thread for temps? Ofcourse giving a valid reason, mods can review it then and grant or decline it?

Sent from my Desire HD
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Sorry, but I know mods with humor. And even devs are humans and have feeling.

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Mods with humour on XDA? Seriously? Damn........a few must have slipped through the net.........Point them out to me so I can sort them out :D
[About XDA developers] Whiskey103:
He must be joking :D

Ow and don't worry guys, when you see Fallen, there's Whiskey :p

/me crawls back under his rock again ;)
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Never thought of you that way... :cool:

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
errrrr, awkward :cowboy: :o............I hope he means the drink :fingers-crossed:
[About XDA developers] mikef:
Sir, if you would sort M_T_M out we would be most grateful. And that ctm guy.....Thank you!