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[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Dammit!!
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
We close threads temporarily during investigations. Once the investigation has taken place and if the offending code is still there, we keep it closed until it is removed. Plain and simple.

As for your Recovery example.... uhmmm, no

First of, recovery is a tool developed by Google, not koush. The latter came up with an unsecured version of it called CWM. Most other recoveries out there (that are not based on CWM or are repacks of it) were coded from scratch (Amon_Ra, Ext4, TWRP, etc), so your example is completely invalid, sorry to put it this way.

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Thanks for this Russ. Haven't seen you in forever and I am glad you are still around man :) Much like FS, I had no idea you knew Sergio (and I wasn't involved in this either tbh, just read some of what happened as well as the evidence put forth, screenshots, chat logs, code comparisons, etc). You know I am not a dev either, but from the looks of it, it was a copy (not siding with anyone, just letting you know what I saw).

The following is a rant I did on this same issue, which coincidentally was being discussed among moderators for a while but it goes to the core of this matter and pretty much agrees with what Russ has expressed as well as benjamin.j.goodwin...

This is just part A of my rant about sharing in general, now onto part B

Again, sharing on this site is sharing knowledge, not just sharing finalized products. There will be a maximum/peak where if no one else develops anything new (just grab existing stuff and package it), everything will come to a stop.

Lastly, I will leave you with the original rant on this subject....

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
@egzthunder1 Your post was awesome (couldn't help but notice you have 13k posts :p:p)

I can't express how sad I am about XDA wiki dying down. I would really like to get more involved in ROM development, but i have no clue how. A simple google search can help me to make simple mods like APM and CRT Animation, but what about other, more complex mods like a transparent app drawer for Sense (really confusing stuff, since HTC changes the code in every version)? People just don't post guides on how to do stuff anymore (for HTC Sense, at least). This is probably because most users love to be spoonfed, and just care about the final product :( This would work, but the thing is, the final product isn't available to all devices. With a guide, I could easily port XYZ mod to my device, what do I do if instead of posting a guide, the dev says I just can't use that, as it would be a "copy", even though the dev doesn't (and has no plans to) support the device?
[About XDA developers] wmg316:
Does the comment by 'shrome99' not provide a perfect solution in answering the OP's comments? Over the past 2 1/2 years here on XDA, I have gained a "hobby" that I truly love. I am no developer; I am no themer. But I have been able to modify and tweak and theme what I want on my phone if the Developed ROM I load doesn't fit my taste...from hours of reading and research...and I would not have been able to do this without the spirit of sharing from the "true" developers and themers out there that take our phones to levels never imagined from a normal user like me!

I appreciate EVERYONE's work. It's been said over and over that users have different tastes; this is true...I hate the "HTC Green"! I am currently on a device that at the time I got it, was not well supported here at XDA (Vivid). So I found WildChild's site for my specific phone and haven't looked back ... for that phone. And coming from my "Energized" Fuze and Tilt 2...and my "CoreDroided" Inspire, I had to do all of my theming myself...no themed ROMs over there. But with that said, there is no way on earth I would have ever been able to do that without all of the contributions made HERE ON XDA by the "true" developers and themers...their sharing of knowledge and their willingness to help users like me understand!
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
Dear @egzthunder1

Thanks for your explanation about the recoveries, but I didn't say that exactly. It's hard for me to explain what I want to say in English.

I'm not a dev, but I try to learn about the eco-system Android, and I know that is Google who has built the first recovery and I remember Amon-Ra on my Hero also ;)

But you are better than me about this subject and I'm only an apprentice about it :cool:

I think it was for me and maybe some others members. I appreciate it.

In this case, close this thread and stay between devs and mods.

It would be better than to read such not very pleasant things for the simple mortals
[About XDA developers] :
Sergio should not have had his RD status taken.

I VERY WELL KNOW SOME KANGERS, that were reported for kanging, didn't see their status taken away.

Jan no disrespect, you do good work on tweaks, but if romanb thought like you, you wouldn't have tweaks?

Guess it's in the mods hands
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
@shaky156 - Jan already said he only used a small amount of stuff from him, rest he coded himself, but your post made me think. I hope everyone agrees that 99% of the original/innovative stuff added to stock ICS ROMs built from source is copied from the Team kang/Gummy source. Long before my device had unofficial AOKP ROMs, there was a ROM called Virtuous Quattro by m-deejay that used ROM control, and I am sure there are at least a hundred device-specific ROMs that Kang stuff from Team kang :p What if, they had decided not to allow people to copy them? What if, they said they only want their ROMs to have the epic AOKP toggles? But, the fact is, they can't do that due to GPL. If such a rule exists for open-sourced ROMs, why not for OEM Skin based ROMs??
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Actually, GPL applies only to kernels, not roms. Apache is the license governing roms, which does not require to share source.
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
Well, that just further validates my point. These guys don't have to make their source available for everyone, they just do it for the community, so that everyone can use their mods. They don't even require you to ask for permission, that's the best part.
[About XDA developers] -viperboy-:
I see the arguments in both sides but my opinion is that you still need to ask permission. I have a script in my ROMs that took me many many hours to make. I keep it in my ROM and have only ever given permission to one person to use it. That is my choice.

When it comes to other people modifying things that we, the public, don't have source access to, should they have to share it? No, I don't think so. If you manually make smali changes to an HTC framework or jar file, I feel it is your right to keep it and not share. On the other hand, would it be nice to share it for other devs to use? Sure, but it, in my opinion, is up to the person who made those changes.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Yes, but asking for permission ensures that you are not breaching whatever distribution license the dev had in his mind at the time, plus.... it is common courtesy :)

I agree though, we cannot and should not force people to share anything, but the ones who want something, if they have the ability to understand the technical aspects, should be able/encouraged to ask questions/tips or maybe even ask for some help on coming up with their own/improve the existing one.... (build upon it)
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
This.

Having said that, say you made your own mod for your rom. If someone was to come and ask you for help in devving their own, would you help? In other words, would you share your knowledge with that other "aspiring" dev?
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Yes I would, have done, and always will.

Anybody can ask me anything, i think I anwserd 99% of my PM's no matter what the question.

It's nice to see people grow on development, feels like your offspring.
[About XDA developers] ShyamSasi:
I may not have developer title here at XDA but I do write small programs for Windows. IMO it's up to developer if he wants to share his work with other developer or not. But it's would be nice and make the community a better place if he or she did. I personally think wearing a Recognized Developer title he/she should have a responsibilty to share his work and help fellow Developer because most of us are here to learn something new. If everyone stop sharing thier work then there won't be lot of MODs, Ports, Tweaks it will be very limited to the devices that developer own. No one can force to share the work but it would be a nice gesture and 1000s of people will be grateful.

My 2 cents
[About XDA developers] Quercus1:
I hope there is a next world, because I need a lifetime to understand this discussion.

there are only 2 simple ways to make it better:

1) delete this blameful DONATE-BUTTON for all!

2) @XDA - remember your forgotten roots: Create & Share to come to fame!

Honour to whom honour is due - thats the way back to a sharing community without money-minds - the one and only reason why the spirit here is really gone!
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Precisely my point. A lot of the xda user base is in it to be spoon fed and not for the learning trip itself (as kyphur said in the post I linked to). They are not here to learn. This is what a lot of devs get pissed off at (and mostly why they don't want to share their final work). If their work goes mainstream, there is a very slim chance that it will get better by hand of anyone other than themselves as, again, most people only care about the end product.

All in all, while the devs cannot be forced to share their work, it would be nice if they at least are willing to help those willing to learn, that is what the spirit of the site is all about.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
uhmmm, sorry but I think you are off in your assessment:

1. Donations have always been part of this site (more so as of late). If someone wants to provide a nice gesture to someone else, why not? Asking for donations in advanced is what we do not condone (in fact it is clearly stated in the rules). Having said this, it makes my blood boil to see "Donate to me/my team" buttons in the OP. We added the Donate button on the user profile to ensure that this is no longer the case, but it seems to be only mildly effective as there are those who still feel the necessity to slap one in every post in their threads on big red font size 10. I partially agree with this point because the money does have a tendency to go to people's heads unfortunately.

2. Forgotten roots yes, but what you are stating are not the roots of the site, not by a long shot. Your statement implies that any creation should be shared as a final product for all to use. As I really don't want to retype that epitaph from the last post, please read what I wrote again as to what is the point of this site. Share the knowledge and improve it for others to keep building on it. Help it evolve...

Honor where honor is due.... totally agree... again, this is also known as common courtesy (to say thanks).
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.

Thank you all for your participation.

You took the time to read this and give your opinion.

You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit :p ;)

What did it bring me:

Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)

I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.

HIS POST

Good explanation on how the staff thinks

Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words

HIS POST - HIS POST

What is reasonable and what not.

Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well

HIS POST - HIS POST

What am I gonna do now

beside building a rom and a kernel....

Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)

HIS POST - HIS POST

For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...

If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.

Cheers
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
Guys, calm down. Jan, think of this - how would you have felt if Roman just flat-out denied you the permission to use his work? Wouldn't that have de-motivated you? Do you think you could have designed something this big despite that? Think about it.

And Sergio76, i agree that your title shouldn't have been taken away and your thread shouldn't have been closed, but it would be better if you don't get personal in this thread, as a mod pointed out. *Sigh*, I guess the partnership idea is out of question, considering there is no love lost between you two :(

Sent from a device waiting for the Kernel 3 source code. WAKE UP HTC !!!!!
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Sorry Benjamin (one of your posts got caught in the blast since you quoted Sergio)....

@Jan and Sergio,

This thread is NOT about the quarrel between the two of you, the OP has stated this already multiple times. It is more of a general view on what xda is supposed to stand on, our goals as a site, and what we can do to improve things. Unless you want to comment on the subject at hand, I strongly suggest that both of you stop posting accusations about kanging right now. This is the final warning on the matter....
[About XDA developers] onyx234:
I was wondering where i had seen that before
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
I still don't understand your point...

Why should someone who is going about their "lawful" business have their thread closed when it is not breaking any rule? Closing a thread is done to prevent "OMG WHY IS DOWNLOAD REMOVED???" posts. It's closed until it complies with the policy (all of which available at time of registration and thereafter to all) it was breaking.

If you report someone stole your wallet, and someone else is found with a wallet matching the description, containing your ID, that person will be arrested. But you're not arrested too for reporting the crime.

That seems to be what you are asking to happen... I honestly can't understand why you think someone reporting a breach of the rules should have their thread closed WITHOUT REASON...
[About XDA developers] phikal:
Just a tought, how about a "hall of fame"

Every dev. can list his work there and agrees it can be used if given proper credits.

Work that isnt listed cant be used but will also not be listed.

That way sharing is encouraged but still leaving room not to share.

Also other devs. can track down the list looking for new stuff and its easy to see who created something and give credits.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Nice thoughts

+1
[About XDA developers] shrome99:
Nice idea :) If this is to be implenented, it should be encouraged (but not mandatory) to post some kind of guide to the work. Considering the number of moderators monitoring this thread, it may actually come to life, I don't really see any sort of downside to this :)

Sent from a device waiting for the Kernel 3 source code. WAKE UP HTC !!!!!
[About XDA developers] broncogr:
Once again, please stay on topic.

This is not the place to discuss personal vendettas
[About XDA developers] :
How very mature of someone reporting my post when its clearly making a valid point?

Someone obviously reported it cause its true lol

Jan its the principle that matters, kanging is kanging at the end of the day, may it be big or small.

I get that stealing someones work is wrong, it happens to me alot, but rd status taken away was too extreme imo

I stated its not a personal vendetta, if it was i wouldve reported him to mods long ago (which i havent and dont plan to)

Jan like i said in that post, it makes you hyptocrytical and you should practice what you preach :)

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Sorry Shaky

There are to many mods on this thread reading/listening to what we have to say...

You where gone before you knew it.

and as long as you get personal, you will see your posts fly away.
[About XDA developers] :
Good idea.

+1
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
No one reported your post. There are at least 6 other moderators watching this thread right now, and that is without including me. One of them removed it, but if he wouldn't have done it, I would have....

Last time I ask... No more talking about Jan vs Sergio or "a" kanging "b" or any of that stuff. Do I make myself clear?
[About XDA developers] :
I apologise, i thought this thread was discussing that matter, guess i was wrong :/

+1 to hall of fame idea

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
Thank you Shaky! I, and I know the team appreciates your imput.... :)

Danny, he didn´t get personnal.... He just stated his experience, and the first that I see that supports our thoughts.

Thanks Shaky! :D

And BTW egzthunder1.... Thanks for hiding my banners, but is it possible for you to multi-quote instead of quoting every post seperately... you know ;) to save space? :D
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Smartass :p
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Sorry Ray,

This thread is about Community Engagement.

Not about taking sides, on what has happend.

I would like this thread to stay clean about that subject.

and try to discuss what we can do to prevent things like that to happen

I don't have to take a side on what happend... Do I ?

Most know where I stand
[About XDA developers] af974:
I don't know, I would use another bit of polish. :D

Sorry, a little OT to break the tension, feel free to delete it :highfive:

Mod Edit:

huh? New bb smileys?....

I gotta try this...

:facepalm: : popcorn:

didn't work :(

^ Epic FAIL!! haha
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
You didn't notice the new editor yet?

you where not informed about the improvements on the site ? :D ;)
[About XDA developers] af974:
Even Admins often fails! :silly:
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
So we all must be Humans after all
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
I knew that they were going to be implemented before it was mainstream.... /hipster :D :cool:

Edit: I had suggested those two and wanted to see if they were added as well...
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Now, what where we talking about....

"Topic Loss"
[About XDA developers] Whiskey103:
Where is M_T_M when we need him huh :D
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Sorry

Back
[About XDA developers] M_T_M:
I heard me name. How may I be of any service to any of you fine gentlemen? :confused: :cool:
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
Bro, didn´t mean anythng but fun with my post... ;)

MTM... finally good to see ya bro! :D
[About XDA developers] M_T_M:
Long time no see mate. How've you been? :laugh:
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
M_T_M looks like a funny guy..:D and loving the love now between the mods in this thread. ahh can you feel the love guys:o:o:D
[About XDA developers] af974:
i'll take a coffee thanks.....but hurry plz, i want it naw! :cyclops:
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Isn't your banner just a little bit on the large side? ;) :D
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
it is yeah....do not know how to downsize it though:o
[About XDA developers] af974:
also.....

Perhaps you have your eyes closed?? :confused:

Ops....failed to edit, i quoted myself......me n00b :p
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
I can help you with that... I seem to have some design skills :p
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
want me to send you the link then for it?
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Here it is

http://files.bindroidroms.com/xda/XDA Banner Goku80s.png
[About XDA developers] Whiskey103:
Did you try to wash it real hot. It could shrink. But that's just what she said ;)
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
ok cool thanks be best bit smaller:D

LOL. made me spit my tea all over the computer screen:laugh:
[About XDA developers] Tigermoto:
"Offtopic" Isn't there only 1 P in developers though

Love the banner but :Facepalm:

Sorry, "ontopic"

This seems to be a genuine moderator thread right now.So...... Can a moderator PM me how to make the buttons forced on Ray? I'd like to do my own...:angel::fingers-crossed:

Edit: we need a facepalm smiley
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
I have been asking for that and a popcorn one for 2 years now... (not exaggerating btw)
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
LMAO! MTM joins, then all is loose.! Bro, I really do miss ya! Good to see ya again! :mad:

Let´s have some fun now! I could be doin better if this stuff didn´t happen of course...., but it sometimes has to right?

Thanks MTM, you really just made my day just showin up! :highfive:
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
hehe no worries a friend did it for me...not worried as i love the banner myself. and yeah this seems to be a genuine moderator thread.

@Danny thanks again man for downsizing it for me:D:p
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Downsizing is 1 thing... Hosting it is an other :silly:

But I'll leave it on the server
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Valitri:
So I've been reading these forums for days on end now before I touch my phone again. Is my order of things to do correct? (HTC One XL (AT&T))

1. Root

2. Supercid

3. Unlock bootloader

---Currently here---

4. Install CWM/make a backup

5. Relock bootloader

6. Flash a RUU (1.88?)

7. Unlock bootloader

8. Flash a rom

9. Enjoy :)

As shown above, I rooted, have su on my screen and I can get into the bootloader by vol down+power. I had a scare trying to install RUU 1.85 but I think it failed because my bootloader is unlocked?

Basically everything I do on my phone scares me now. I opened my bootloader today so I can see what stock recovery looked like. I got some weird icons that scared me. I cannot stay where I am because I cannot get OTA updates, and I cannot flash updates myself. HELP!

Thanks, people on this forum are awesome, but you all know too much to be able to write a proper noobs guide.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] stnguyen09:
Those steps are correct EXCEPT for 5, 6 and 7. You don't need those if you're flashing a custom rom, only if you're staying official and using an RUU. We can flash insecure boot.img files now which allow us to jump around firmware versions without blowing up. Just make sure you do a factory reset from recovery before flashing a new custom rom to prevent any weird bugs (you can use Titanium Backup to backup all your apps). Also, I would personally recommend flashing TWRP over CWM. It's a little more friendly in terms of UI and has a bit more functionality baked in.

Edit: And just FYI, the RUU did fail because your bootloader was unlocked. And now you know.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Lilshaun:
Are you on 1.85 already? If so you are set. But if you aren't, relock the downloader by connecting your phone to your computer via USB in fastboot and typing fastboot OEM lock, upgrade to 1.85 and then unlock the bootloader once again.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Valitri:
Thanks for confirming why the RUU failed. I was scared because it never said it failed or errored. I let it run for 90+ minutes and finally did a hard reset on my phone.

I downloaded Titanium but I don't understand where the backups go. How to save them or how to use them for recovery. I also don't understand how people talk about this phone having an SD card when it doesn't.

I saw TWRP and it looked like the better option but I thought a lot of the roms needed CWM to flash from. I guess I really don't fully understand how to flash a rom then.

This is so weird because I jailbroke my iPhone 3g, and tried multiple roms on my cousins Droid X a long time ago.

Easy question. If you stick with roms, any reason to ever relock the bootloader?

Thanks
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Valitri:
I'm on 1.73

As the previous poster said, if I want custom roms I shouldn't even bother with the RUU? Is the RUU just a way to get the most updated factory settings because of root? Also do RUUs cancel root?