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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] btravis.elm:
With the release of the S!!! im finally hoping to see my dream come true of having google navigation in a floating window so i can see the nav and pandora/other apps at the same time, anyone have any idea if this will be a possiblity (since it seems that it will initially only support playing videos from the media player :? ) Any ideas?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ma$etas:
theres apps available already i believe that allow you to do this

ill do a quick search and link them on here.

EDIT: heres one

STICK IT (Pop up Player

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sImNvbS5teWJveWZyaWVuZGlzYWdlZWsuc3RpY2tpdCJd

THis one helps as well

Overskreen Browser

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myboyfriendisageek.airbrowser&hl=en
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jpkelly05:
Sounds like this app is for people with ADD. Or is it the Stick It video.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ma$etas:
why would this app be for people with ADD...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] btravis.elm:
Im aware of the ability to watch video on the s3 and the apps that attempt to replicate that currently available, but my question was if the s3 software would be able to be modified to open other types of content (ie google nav) in a window, and not just video from the media player. any idea?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] btravis.elm:
bump, got to activate a couple s3's at work (sprint rep/tech) and the windowing feature is really smooth but is only available to video opened from the media player any idea of theres/ will be a way to open other apps to that feature?
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Community Engagement on xda developers

Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.

We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.

But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share

Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to

claim

or

Copyright

.

Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...

Has the spirit here really gone?

And do we just want FAME ! !

If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.

If this took me hours to do,

this is still "Open Source"

and people can copy my code in to their work.

The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.

Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.

It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...

I don't think so ! !

HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?

I don't think so...

So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?

Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?

We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?

I don't get this!

I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.

My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.

This also not directed to anybody in person

I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.

My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
[About XDA developers] Russ741:
The ETHOS of XDA-Developers

Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).

It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.

I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.
[About XDA developers] Franzferdinan51:
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.

android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.

now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.

but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.

at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other
[About XDA developers] DaDoctor:
Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)

btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love ;)

There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.

Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.

OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.

But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Thats an other part of the discussion...

Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...

And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.

And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...

and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda

And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff ;))
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.

And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.

And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
[About XDA developers] MadCobbler:
Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.

If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.

Just my opinion :p
[About XDA developers] ShyamSasi:
One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.
[About XDA developers] jotha:
DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.

So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.

My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.

just my 2ct.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
[About XDA developers] af974:
In part i agree but in part nope.

The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:

User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.

It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"

So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....

And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.

Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.

Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
[About XDA developers] r0cafella:
I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.

It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?

We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
I think you have a real good point there.

All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.

And not to be claimed.

Credits are the least we could do...

btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks

Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.
[About XDA developers] jotha:
Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?

You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ;)). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.

Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.

And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?

Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.

I am here because I want to share and help other members.

But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.

Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.

If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.

Thanks for your listening
[About XDA developers] Deleted member 2496007:
Here are my feelings on it.

What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.

So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.

Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.

Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?

I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
[About XDA developers] benjamin.j.goodwin:
There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.

That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.

Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.

Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.

If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.

That's my input.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
At least it isn't a Spiderman thread....

Oh no no no... What have I done!!!!1!!!!?!1
[About XDA developers] :
I had an idea, what if when creating a thread, you require to fill out what license the work is on? And if you would like to share it/require permissions from op? Etc just an idea

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Nothing wrong with Spidey:p now can we get back on topic please;):D
[About XDA developers] Whiskey103:
Yeah. I thought after a day of serious discussion and debate let's bring in a little fun.

I mean, at the end of the day we are all just a buch of crazy geeks playing with expensive toys right?!

And when having fun, the M_T_M card must be played ;)

Goodnight to all of you. I go standing on my back for a while, see ya.
[About XDA developers] benjamin.j.goodwin:
@ Tribulattifatherove your avatar mate. Sick! :) completely off topic!
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Thank you...

Now I see the difference between native english people and me...

You know so good how to put words to thoughts....

I think you just put all my thoughts in the correct words...

Benjamin, isn't it your bed time
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Night friend and yeah nothing wrong with a bit of banter..Love your username by the way:D
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
I think Carl Sagan said it better...

"if you truly want to make an apple pie from scratch, then you must first create the universe".
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Slaap lekker

(sleep well)

I'm out to....
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
Nice try bro, but... :D

Bro perfectly put!!!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Stick around please. :)

Nite Whiskey! Thanks for your input today! Sleep well bro! :)

Come on bro.... let everyone have their say without personally taken them down... ;) Luv ya by the way! I mean it. :)

And... me too... Good Night All! Sleep good. Don´t let the bed bugs bite! :)
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Lol...

I am out as well... Good night people...
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
LMAO

Nite bro!
[About XDA developers] M_T_M:
Nighty night :D

Pfft......haterz gonna hate :cool:
[About XDA developers] veyka:
:silly:
[About XDA developers] Tigermoto:
Goodnight everyone, :angel:

I'm happy this thread is still open, and even more overjoyed that so many people haven't been banned or censored.

It's like going back in time.

See you all tomorrow
[About XDA developers] Scabes24:
Lol.. always glad to see you M_T_M :)

Sent from my HTC One X
[About XDA developers] DanteGR:
Tbh when this thread was started i was pretty sure that at some point users would come ranting in and bans would fly all over the place.

But after 20+ pages i'm so happy to see the civilized way this discussion was conducted in with no major disputes.

So as a small, un-important senior user i would like to thank you all for ur input and great ideas.

I've learned a lot and in my opinion this is by far the best thread in these forums until the next :)

As a final thought on the whole subject at hand i would like to express what the ideal situation would be for me (and many others i hope)

All content on xda should be shared given that permission is taken and all credit given.

Those who do not want to share should face the criticism of the users and only history will tell who is truly a "users'" dev and who is a dev for just himself and seeks fame above everything else..

Thank you again all for the time, effort and above all great ideas that you put in this thread.

Extremely appreciated :)

Sent from my Renovated HTC One X Quad-Core Beast
[About XDA developers] hotrodwinston:
just my two cents as a user:

Most code on xda is open source or at least open for use.

But a dev who puts his own time to create something great has every right to deny ppl rights to use his code.

Notice - his( or her) code - as in code they wrote not htc or samsung or google code they slightly modify.

But if they deny permission and someone else makes thier own code that does the same thing or something similar a determination has to be made if they truly 'kanged' the code or not.

If a dev made a mod that could send a text message to a predefined list of ppl and said no one else could use it and another dev decides to make his own the two sets of code will be very similar.

I think on xda that code should be left to the control of the dev but ideas should be the property of everybody on the forums or open source if you will.
[About XDA developers] Gandicela:
Good day everyone. I am extremely grateful of this thread, especially for DutchDanny's initiative.

I am not a developer/themer, just merely a user here on XDA.

I fully understand Devs sometimes being "irked" by requests from users, I mean they share their work for free and it's not their only job or commitment. But sometimes fellow users feel otherwise and they miss to understand it thinking that Devs should be there to answer requests almost all the time. When I read users comparing ROM within the thread of another ROm, I also feel for the Devs. I believe it is rude and not helping at all.

But on the other hand, when someone within his/their own thread claims that theirs is the best and will exclusively have these and those features because they are the winners, etc., then myself as merely a user see boundaries created due to a "not-so-humble" character. While others may not see as I do, but after reading it further, the more I would rather follow and use ROM that from a Modest Developer. It's meant to be a sharing forum, isn't it? We shouldn't see competition apparently coming from the Devs themselves.

Sent from my HTC One X on CoreDroid ROM V3.5