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[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jessenic:
WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas :) As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.
[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.

Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ChrisKringel:
Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.

I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.

I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Yess definitely, I will be buying.

People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
[Windows Phone 7 General] freddx:
So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive... :mad: :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).

I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.

As I have more thoughts here...

I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.

I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.

As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.

If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.

After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.

I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] crav4speed:
Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!

I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.

My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.

But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.

If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mebula999:
Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality

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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] t00ny45:
I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two. :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!

The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.

MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
[Windows Phone 7 General] huckleberry2703:
I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.

Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RandomXIII:
So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.

I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.

I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.

And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.

Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RandomXIII:
Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Nokia has been leading the Windows camp.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
We still don't know ALL that we're getting with 7.8. They haven't announced everything.

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WP8 will be 4th gen.

For me on AT&T:

HTC Surround - 1st gen.

HTC Titan - 2nd gen

HTC Titan II/Nokia Lumia 900 - 3rd Gen

HTC Lumia 920 - 4th
[Windows Phone 7 General] MikeyMike01:
So you suggest buying defective Android devices on the hope that you can mangle something together after?

Brilliant plan.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Windows Phone 7 General] ctiger:
Even if I want to buy WP8 phones, I can't, because I'm with Sprint, which means I'll have to go to ATT or Tmobile to get a WP8 phone. While iPhone5 is wildly available to all GSM and CDMA, and even better, they will deliver in one week. It is interesting to see that on one side, apple zipped their lip tight while get their things done, and MS and it's affiliates opened their months so wide and tried to get everybody's attention but yeah, no phone's ready for whatever time, I don't know, when will WP8 be ready to ship? Do you know?

Personally, I got the WP7 arrive for free, HTC, after 4 months of use, has hardware problem, the up right corner stopped to respond, so I can't turn off ring by tap that ring bell when on lock screen, and can't check the cell network battery status by tap the clock on home screen. HTC asked me to send back the phone for repair, won't provide a temporary for me to use, and will not opt out the possibility that the phone's problem is not covered by warranty so if I want to repair, I need to pay a lot, if I don't, I need to pay a fee for diagnose. I had three HTC phones before, and this is the fourth, I have problems with 3 of them, one I had to exchange and I got a refurbish one with minor problem, (speaker phone weak), others have battery issues, reception issues, got complaint from family members all the time about cellphone. So I bought iPhones for them, and nobody complaint anymore. I heard samsung is no better. So only if Nokia is coming with CDMA, I think I'll just try my luck with iPhone now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PieOfJustice:
Nope. Absolutely not. The WP OS is pretty awesome. Very social. Very easy to use. However the hardware has been horrible down the line. On my fourth LG Optimus 7 The battery lasts about 2 hours as long as I don't use email. Use that and its lights out in less then a minute. Until they can get the hardware fully right and improve quality then I'm staying away.

I also don't approve of the fragmentation of 1st gen devices and the WP8 devices. No need to crap on early adopters.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
They are still supporting Gen 1 devices. MUCH longer than Android has. If you want solid hardware, Nokia is where it's at. HTC is no longer the company it once was. I was never a fan of LG. Not saying LG doesn't make good phones, just never been a fan.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ how exactly are they supporting much longer than Android? When a new version of Android is released apps aren't incompatible.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
Well, first, MOST devices never get the latest version of Android. In fact, most devices don't even SHIP with the latest version of Android. I have 4 Android devices right now... the only one that shipped with a current version is the Nexus One. And support was dropped on that in less than a year. 2 of them are less than a year old and will not get ICS or Jellybean.

But moving on...

Let me see you install Google Chrome on a Gingerbread device. I mean, Chrome is made by Google and Gingerbread is STILL the most installed version of the Android OS so surely Chrome will work on it since ALL applications work on ALL versions of the OS. Oh, it is ICS only? And there are other apps that are ICS minimum only? Wooooooops....

There isn't a single Windows Phone app right now that doesn't work on EVERY device. Also, ALL Windows Phones that have been sold up to this point will get the latest version of the OS - 7.8. Find me a SINGLE Android device that continued to receive the latest version of the OS officially after 18 months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eddy4823:
Will use 7.8 for few months and will then see how much feature rich is Windows Phone 8. I have my eyes on Lumia 820 at the moment. If I buy, it will be Nokia for sure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
1 chrome, the operating system, or chrome, the beta mobile browser?

2 aren't Nokia applications starting the fragmentation on wp? do those Nokia apps works on all other devices? I ask because I do not know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] wessyh0:
Nexus S, now find me a WP with that support.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
Easy. The HTC Surround. In fact, ALL 1st Gen devices are still being supported (provided you're not on AT&T who made a conscious effort to prohibit users from getting the updates).

So, 1 android device is getting support at around the 18 month point and ALL Windows Phone devices in the future are guaranteed 18 month support while all 1st gen devices are still support after 18 months. To me, it's a no brainer because the Nexus s is a rarity that it's still being supported. Google can call it what it wants but their fragmentation issue is ridiculously bad and their free and loose policies are making it worse.

I won't get into the "Google is Evil" scenario but I have talked to a few people who will not use Android simply because of that fact. It was one of the reasons I won't buy another Android product.
[Windows Phone 7 General] wessyh0:
Yeah, and so is Microsoft and Apple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Name 5 ICS only apps... chrome is one, I'll wait on the others. Chrome requires ICS for security reasons only.

Your 7.8 device will be moot if Windows Phone 8 takes off, as literarily no new apps will work. No in app purchasing? What's up with that?

Hello I'm using a two year old Nexus S, jelly bean, new kernel and all.

However keep talking about Android in a Windows Phone forum, its the only thing keeping this place alive.

⚡sent from my Nexus S ?

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This forum is the most ironic on the whole XDA site. Just go back as far as possible and pick a thread, and read all the crazy stuff.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
that was sooo wrong to do, but I laughed anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MikeyMike01:
Yes. I'm jettisoning Google services as fast as I can because of their mortifying business strategy.

Not to mention, all of Google's services are mediocre at best anyway.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
Coding for 8 vs. 7.8 is identical. It's just the "pick which OS to compile for" option that makes the difference. I highly doubt that app makers will NOT support the millions of 7.8 customers when all they have to do is recompile. In fact, many will compile ONLY for 7.x as that will work in both 7.8 and 8. I'm not worried.

Android is such a mess of an OS, I'm amazed it hasn't imploded yet.

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I'm doing the same. There are a couple Google services I use (or used). But their "ability" to just cancel a service that people are using at the drop of a hat should worry anyone that depends on them.

I've been keeping an eye on Google's tracking and how it's being used and I'm planning on closing all of my Google accounts and stop using them all together. Too invasive. And they are WAY too shady.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
my kids made a tin can phone yesterday. if you're interested....
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Come on McHale , do you seriously think developers will code for Windows phone 7/7.8? Seriously, are they doing it now? Not at all. Even Red Bull is waiting to build their Lumia exclusive app. Let's not even mention games.

As far as removing yourself from online services, just remember your hard drive never forgets anything. Your ISP doesn't forget anything either. Might as well throw away your cellphone too.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] lrhage:
You really don't?

Win7.8 = more users than Win8

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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ seriously? Mark this post and comeback next year. Current users are miniscule.

Kinda funny you havent heard of any big name apps being released, and no major app updates. Absolutely no real games being made for WP7.

Microsoft is trying to curb this by holding the WP8 SDK for top developers only.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] eddy4823:
I dont think anybody here is interested in iPhone 5.

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btw, there is no way Windows 7.8 won't get new apps and updates. Every Windows 7.8 app will run on Windows 8. Why won't the developer make an app for 7.8 ?? It will work on Windows 8 as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
best comeback ever!

if you're an ostrich!
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Until 7.8 user base ceases to exist in any form that's profitible then it would be stupid of developers to make wp8 apps only, especially since 7.8 apps will run on 8, so unless 8 apps have specific hardware requirements that only 8 devices can for fill developers will target the widest range of users, which ideally would be tango made WP 7 devices. Given the cost of development isn't an issues at this moment in time ANY developer who will drop WP7 would have no economic understanding at all, or let me put this another way. If I make a generic app that can target all hardware devices from low end tango devices to high end Apollo devices I have a significant advantage in making a lot more money. The ONLY apps that should be wp8 specific are ones needing the obvious hardware improvments. To think otherwise would be stupid given that its almost identical to develop for 7 or 8
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ name one developer who is profiting on WP7....I rest my case.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
Here you go, troll.

Elbert Perez has made over $30,000 in one year on just ad revenue alone.

http://www.wpcentral.com/occasionalgamers-elbert-perez-brings-nearly-30k-game-dev-wp7
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
Isn't Taptitude over $100,000 now? Two indie brothers doing this in thier spare time? Something like that, iirc (and without Binging it...).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Wow. Did you read that's from a dozen games?

Now do you think he'll code WP7 games or the easier native WP8 games?

Great for him , good to see any developer make money.

............edit..... ..

Upon further review see my next post.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
I think he will do exactly what he needs to do to make as much money as possible, that is after all is primary concern, ruling out an entire userbase when you don't need to is not how you go about doing that.

Just curious, since you dont like WP, why do you spend so much time here? Id rather have fewer posts to read then to continue to have you belittling our choice of OS at every opportunity.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Who sad I didn't like it? Don't assume, please don't.

Also before posting links research it. Dude isn't producing...well you read it http://www.occasionalgamer.com/

⚡sent from my Nexus S

Objective viewing is never bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Objective viewing isn't bad, but also remember perception is us often more important than the truth an the perception my friend is that you always seem to be very critical of it...and that is growing tiresome whi h leads us to ask questions such as I had asked
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
What have I said wrong or negative? Point it out and I will respectfully take it back.

I'll talk about any platform objectively. Sorry if I don't pretend everything is great.

I haven't called anyone a name , I haven't said this sucks or that sucks or that's terrible. People do that when they cant contribute anything else constructively.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
Actually, I think the economics points the other way in many cases. Specifically:

- Windows store apps. Windows 8 and Windows RT can run these = market of around 400 million devices within one year.

- Android / iOS apps.

If it's easier to convert your app from Win RT / Android / iOS to WP8, then you probably wouldn't worry too much about WP7 compatibility. Obviously, if you've already built a WP7 app, then the economics are different.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MikeyMike01:
Android people have to defend their choice because their choice wasn't a great one.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Windows Phone 7 General] AnT0:
I will definitely buy a WP8 device!
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
best reply award goes too .... Lol love it
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.8820:
Now that the smoke has cleared and everyone (except ZTE, 9/25/12) has shown what they're offering...it looks like either the L820 or Samsung Ativ for me. The 8X looks very good, but so do the new Kia Optimas.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The 8x is sweet.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] noelito:
I'm not happy with the current wp8 line up from any OEM, although Samsung Ativ has the biggest screen with expandable storage, I don't like their design and never have, the lumia line is nice but 920 looks bulky and only 4.5" and no expndable storage or removable battery and then HTC although the 8x design is fantastic the screen is 4.3" and no removable battery as well as storage either, if I pick one of these phones im seriously giving up a hardware feature that I need, I may just stick with my titan a little longer, I anticipate some sweet 7.8 custom roms on the horizon
[Windows Phone 7 General] MikeyMike01:
Only?!

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[Windows Phone 7 General] ctiger:
If I have to pay $200 with a two year contract, there's not too much incentive for me to get WP8, I'll just jump on the iPhone 5, because for Sprint, the monthly will be the same for the iPhone 5 and the WP8 if there's any after all for me, all at $50/m. Only if they come out at free with contract will I consider the WP8.

More likely, Sprint won't even catch the first WP8 wave at all.