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[Windows Phone 7 General] noelito:
yes only 4.5

I have had my titan for almost a year and thoroughly enjoy the big screen, also I am wary of NOKIA and Samsung phones because the hacking community has not been that successful in providing custom roms for these phones, still waiting on a 2nd gen Samsung custom rom for my friend. I think I am stuck with my titan, because I am not going to a smaller screen and no removable battery, I am a power user
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
You and I are good examples of how two people see the same thing differently. I also have the Titan and do enjoy the large screen but prefer the much smaller screen on my HTC Surround. It's more comfortable to type and swipe on though web browsing is better on the Titan, obviously.

I also could care less about custom ROMs. When I cooked a custom ROM for Windows Mobile, I usually just stripped out the bloat-ware and cooked a small, clean ROM. So the lack of custom ROMs doesn't bother me as long as Microsoft maintains that we have the ability to uninstall any/all bloatware.

Hardware-wise, the Nokia seems to be the obvious king of the hill right now. The only thing wrong is the lack of external storage. Everything else seems perfect.

BUT, each to their own. Luckily there are a few vendors out there making quality phones so we can all get something we want. I would argue that HTC's quality and support gets worse every day and Nokia's is going to be better than anyone else's for a long, long time.

-Mc
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
This is total FUD.

An old device running iOS5 will be able to run all the latest apps made for iOS. Same with iOS6. Some features maybe be missing but new apps will always work.

A WP7 phone running 7.8 will not be able to run apps compiled 8.0.

This is not a case of Microsoft being more "honest"; it's just they're dropping support for older phones, while Apple continue to support theirs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
No but a WP8 device can run ALL WP 7.8 apps. Since the SDK for 8 hasn't been released yet, guess what they are programming for - 7.8.

Now, once they start programming for 8, all they have to do is click a different check box and it will compile for 7.8. They don't have to rewrite code. You don't think they'll do that when ALL of the current Windows Phone users are currently running 7.8? Really? You're just spreading Windows Phone hatred if you say otherwise.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gilesjuk:
Will get a Lumia 920 ASAP. Moved from iOS as Apple are on the decline again. I hate Android with a passion, it seems many of its users are obnoxious and need to get a life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
I think you're confused here.

The current beta WP8 SDK doesn't include Silverlight or XDA. This is a pretty huge shift. There is no way apps written for WP8 could ever work on WP7.8.

However, if you make a 7.8 app, Microsoft say it will be possible to compile it to work on WP8. This is what you're probably referring to as the "magic check box" (however this only exists in theory; we haven't seen it work yet).

Yes maybe simple apps will still be made for 7.8, but games will quickly shift to 8.0 (native C++ is an order of magnitude faster and more importantly, easier to port from iOS), and also generally many simple apps will also start to move, to take advantage of the new OS features (the most important being the new screen resolutions).

WP7 is not going to be abandoned, but i can totally see that all the latest and greatest apps (i.e. the most wanted big sellers) will be WP8 only, which will frustrate the current userbase, and also a gradual creep of regular apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] noelito:
I see using my Titan another 6 months, and now there is rumor of a true titan successor coming later this year, I want HTC design, 4.7" screen, expandable memory, improved ffc, and removable battery
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Well I was planning on waiting some more for the next batch of WP handsets to come out next fall or so, but thinking about it my contract will be over within 6 months from now, and by that time LTE speeds will be available in my country, so I'll most likely get the 920.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dxdy:
i purchased Lumia 920 8 months ago (before have HD2 with WP7) and i never regret... work much faster and stable than any WP7....
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
I voted "No" a year and a half ago, but I was wrong.

I ended up buying a Nokia Lumia 521 last summer. It was on sale for $80 which seemed a bargain at the time. Used it for 2-weeks. Unfortunately, there just weren't any of the apps I like to use in the Windows Store and I couldn't wait to go back to Android, so I flipped the phone on eBay for almost twice what I paid.

Then 3 weeks ago there was a deal at the Microsoft Store for an Asus T100TA 64GB and I decided to buy it. It's actually a full PC, so I can run PC games and such on it. Nice tablet, but I'm still finding that using it as a tablet, the Metro apps are very sparse. Microsoft is flooding the market with cheap Windows hardware, so I'm expecting the app situation should improve in the next few months.

Also this morning got an email from Amazon that Nokia Lumia 520s are $40 and 521s are $55 brand new with no contract. Now that is cheap! I imagine sales of Microsoft hardware is going to improve considerably this season with prices like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
I voted yes but that was a long time ago, I keep trying to justify buying a Wp8 device but my Sammy Focus S 7.8 device works fine for what I need it... So given that I cant retract my vote I thought id comment instead. I doubt I will get a 8 device now, but assuming that MS continues with the trend of "phone first" priorities I will get some form of WP device in the future, the more android and iOS continue to develop the more I cringe, note that I have an android tablet which is where it shines, but as a phone it stinks. WP please!
[Windows Phone 7 General] snrnats:
I have purchased Lumis 925 a month ago only because of skype support.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
As critical as I am of WP7 on here, I actually like my phone (HTC Mozart) . It's usable, has a good web browser, great camera and excellent battery life.

However, there are still constant niggles that make me mad with frustration. I still can't back up the data on my phone (my data is *critical*, this is a SMARTPHONE - even my old 2001 Nokia I could backup contacts and SMS messages!), or jump-forward when listening to long audio books (no audio scrubbing WTF), and at least once a day I accidently exit an app by hitting the search button. Also I'm still waiting for Local Scout and Bing Maps support in Asia.

It's little things like that make me think Microsoft just don't "get" smartphones. They can add all the new features they like, and the coolest metro UI ever, but they still can't get the basics of the user experience right.

This latest move (basically sacrificing the whole WP7 user-base to bet everything on WP8) just sums it up; their marketing department is king, screw how the users feel. I have lost faith in this platform, I will keep it for another year or so (like the new 7.8 start-screen) then Android or iPhone5 for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Yes. I will see what comes out, and likely purchase one before the holidays. Hopefully around the same time I grab an Intel based Surface ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] DJRedLine:
I own an HTC Trophy and will be happy with whatever upgrade they provide. My contract will be due roughly when WP8 is released and will certainly be upgrading to a new handset.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JackFetter:
I've got a HD7 and I'll be switching over to Android (a Galaxy Note).

People say that Android doesn't get updates, when it does, infact. They just aren't official. In fact, the first Nexus is still getting supported by OFFICIAL updates. This is really a no-brainer for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Yes I will, and will be the first in the queue! Also, will tweet my photos using my Titan that would have potentially got the 7.8 which will give me the taste of WP8!

Any one who thinks 7.8 will not have more features than a new start screen must be an ex-iPhone owner or droidboy who haven't had updates with about 200 new features.

WP7 + 200 features = WP Mango aka 7.5

WP7.5 + xxx features = WP 7.8

WP7.8 + new hardware = WP8.

If like me you are happy with current hardware you paid for using your own brains knowing there will be better hardware in a few months time, then you should know that you will get all the features of WP8 that are not hardware dependent. No Skype won't come as integration to 7.8 but to WP8 but we will get equally working Skype app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
This is completely irrelevant.

1. 200+ new features introduced in Mango were 200+ features that differentiated Windows Phone (Mango release) from Zune Dumb Phone (pre-Mango WP7).

2. xxx features are still unknown in your equation, aside from the so revolutionary Start screen MSFT and Nokia stayed silent since the Summit.

3. There's more to hardware that makes WP8 from WP7.8 - there is a lot of software changes involved that put the final nail to the beta-test phase (WP7.x).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ in the video, it specifically stated "Windows Phone 7.8 Start Experience ". Then they went on to say, thats not all this update will bring, it will also bring along updated Nokia Apps. Thats it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andyl66:
I also switched to android and so far, so good. I'll be holding out for reviews of the new handsets and app availability on wp8. I have my doubts to be honest. I'm still disgruntled that I was promised Thai Lang support within six months (this was October 2010 and I still have the link to the ms statement to that promise) here we are in 2012 and even tango doesn't have it. This is also a bad reflection on Nokia because Thailand was a very strong market for them.

I also feel bad for all the new wp7 owners who bought their new device in the belief that it would be updated. Yet another promise broken by ms (they promised ALL new handsets would have 2 year min full updates).

Android isn't too bad an os to be with for a while, the odd crash here and there can be tolerated. Also its a tech heads wet dream because so much doesn't work you need to dl roms to sort out probs.

If all goes well ill get a wp8 phone within 6 months of release. If Nokia release a pureview with wp8 i'll buy it without hesitation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndyFZ1S:
I personally will wait until the OS has had the initial bugs ironed out before I make the switch, So probably 2013 when I am due an upgrade so wont pay anything for it just like I am not paying anything for the updates for WP7 :p I really don't see what all the fuss is, Surely people that bought a new Nokia or any Gen 2 WP7 and didn't know full well if they would get an upgrade to WP8 have only themselves to blame, Most people on XDA had some idea they would not get WP8 on their WP7 handsets, If you did think so then there really is no hope for you, Look at what happened to Wm6.5, MS is a business not a charity and are out to make money, The fact they have thrown users of WP7 a bone with 7.8 tells me they value their consumers to some minor degree, If you aren't happy then jump ship to Android or IOS and learn a valuable lesson in trust. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
We're all family here so please, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel about Microsoft.

---------- Post added at 01:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:28 PM ----------

The OP asks if I will buy a Windows Phone 8 device, well here goes:

Until I can attach a PDF to my email, I'll stay with WinMo. Until I have a native file browser w/ network drive mapping, I'll stay with WinMo. Until I can have a CAD viewer, I'll stay with WinMo. Until I can use my phone as a USB drive, I'll stay with WinMo. Until I can sync my tasks with Exchange, I'll stay with WinMo.

As much as I miss contact integration and SkyDrive integration, I can't see spending money on something that's missing these basic features I NEED. I was really hoping that MS would pick up the slack left from the change to WP7 but it appears I'll be waiting some more. If anybody can point to an alternative that accomplishes ALL of my requirements, feel free to chime in.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Ahn.. Why are you not on Android already? Android does all that.

I dont miss that, cause I can use a Skydrive link to send itens, and manage Skydrive files through the app. Everything I have is already in my Skydrive. So I can send files, I can file browser (didnt know about network map, this is pretty damn nice!). USB Drive is nice too, but I dont miss (Skydrive).
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Really? Map network drive - no. Sync tasks w/ Exchange - hell no. Skydrive browser for Android - useless as tits on a bull. I had a Droid Pro, the best Android for Exchange and push email and I didn't have these functions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
Leaving out a feature or two isn't as bad as not releasing a major update at all. Even the ancient iPhone 3GS will get iOS 6. Granted, it will not have Siri or turn-by-turn navigation like the 4S, but at least they will be able to run apps compiled for iOS 6. WP7 users won't be able to run WP8 apps, it'll effectively become a short-lived orphaned platform.

Android is a different story. Because it's open-source, as long as the manufacturer released kernel source according to GPL requirements, users smart enough to know how to compile a build of Android will be able to come out with updates for it long after the manufacturer has abandoned the device. Someone has Gingerbread running on a HTC Blue Angel (circa 2003) and is working on porting ICS to it as well.

Unless it turns out to be super amazingly great with features I absolutely can't live without, I'd be very leery about buying a WP8 device. Microsoft has set a precedent that with every major OS update, it completely abandons all existing devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Naah, I didnt mean Skydrive for Android. I own a Lumia. But Android fits you better nowadays. Better than iPhone or WP, at least.

I would like to try WebOS out. Just to try. Bet it is a nice OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
webOS is divine but lacks apps big time. WinMo has everything I need but is very outdated and obviously isn't supported.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thevuman:
Look, I don't mind that the hardware issues won't be there, cause, well, they're hardware. That's expected. Not a big deal, you knew that going in when you bought your phone.

The real stinger is the fact that WP8 apps won't work. That's some cold bloodedness. There's hardly any apps on the marketplace to begin with, when Wp8 starts, there still won't be much for 1st/2nd gen users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
What I wonder (couldn't find this info anywhere), is what happens to Windows Phone Marketplace? Will WP7.x phones have a completely separate marketplace from WP8? If not then I can see eventually they might prevent older devices from using the marketplace at all, like how they quit supporting anything older than 7.5.

Assuming most developers update their apps for WP8, how would you get old WP7 versions of your apps back on the phone if you do a hard-reset?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
That's an interesting statement considering this...

So you totally ignore the end user experience and lambast MSFT. My Windows Phone is smooth and responsive... and I want to keep it that way. I would rather have a smooth end of life phone than have a corporation shoe horn some laggy software onto my handset. Anyway by the time Windows Phone 8 has the launch day kinks worked out of it and there are affordable handsets I will have less than a year left on my contract. I can wait.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
All IOS apps work on the 3GS? Thats a common misconception.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
We'll have to see what the actual device requirements are for WP8, but I have a feeling the reasons are more political, like a new set of "standards" that have more to do with things like number of buttons, minimum camera megapixels, or number of multitouch points. I can't imagine WP8 would be such a resource hog that it'd be a laggy mess on a 1GHz Cortex A8 SoC, but maybe it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vpwp:
As soon as we see devices from all manufacturers I'll get one to go with my Surface. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] sinister1:
If they got rid of that fugly start screen, yes I would consider buying one. If you are like me and think the new start screen is butt-ugly; please vote here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I'll take these new tiles way before the old ones. These actually show information, and you can size them how you want. These new tiles make the whole "Glance and Go" a reality.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thevuman:
I'm guessing they'll do what Android's marketplace does. If the app is supported on your phone, it'll show up on the marketplace on your phone. If it's not supported, you won't see the app at all on the marketplace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
So, I predict that should give WP7.x AND WP8 users near 200k apps by March of next year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RandomXIII:
If they won't work, that's because the hardware is outdated, not because it cannot run. Same as Android.

For all WP8 apps, all WP7 phones cannot run it even though they are capable of. Let's not get confused further, shall we ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Software outdated, hardware outdated - same reason. It can run, hence won't run. It is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I would consider Wp8 if:

- Office Word would be improved

- File transfer via Cable/Bluetooth would be allowed

- File Management on the device would be allowed

- Google maps, Opera would be developed for Wp - finally
[Windows Phone 7 General] schettj:
I am out of contract on AT&T, and skipped the Nokia device - got a New In Box Titan off ebay to play with while I waited for a couple hundred bux.

Looking forward to the WP8 devices...

Seriously, the rumour has been out forever that the WP7.x devices were dead-ends. Anyone who got a Nokia really should have known this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
@doministry:

I am not sure, if office gets updated. But it is quite likely. As for file transfer via cable: it may happen due to changeable microsd support. I guess file management will only be limited to supported file types inside the apps/hubs itself without having a dedicated file explorer. Well google maps is highly unlikely, if google doesn't change their attitude against MS.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] naset:
i will definitely get 1 wp8. wm is my 1st smartphone :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I do not own a WP phone right now but I was a big fan of WP 7. WP 8 is now a no-brainer for me since the app potential is tremendous.

Dual Core Krait, FFC, 4.3" Samsung/HTC Windows Phone please. An HTC One S WP equivalent would be perfect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lyc0525:
I am disappointed with Microsoft. I bought WP7.5 phone only one month ago.Now, I cannot upgrade my phone to WP8. No, I won't buy Windows Phone anymore.:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Totally gonna upgrade to a Windows Phone 8 device. Regardless of how Microsoft may have handled Windows Phone 7, it was no doubt an awesome platform and operating system. Windows Phone 8 is an obvious upgrade, and while some of the 1st/2nd gen WP7 devices might benefit from some of the functionality of Windows Phone 8, that it would still eventually require some kind of hardware upgrade to take advantage of all the new goodness coming.

Plus it gives me an excuse to get a fancy new phone.

Can't wait.

And for the record, I've owned 5 different Windows Phone 7/7.1/7.5 devices. I'm heavily invested in the platform, so Windows Phone 7 and 8 make total sense to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hackarchive:
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lumia guys just got me laughing to death whenever I see windows phone 8.Come on! They had the new sexy generation,laughed at my Sammy Focus and called me together with everyone else beta testers!Who's laughing now?We were all into the beta test for microsoft and the lumia even more(even during windows phone 8 presentation).I'm switching to android ics with this beast[pantech skyracer vega2].Keeping grandma focus though!She just some how still looks sexy.Whoooo:highfive:

NB//dont get me wrong microsoft is coming up but not windows phone for now,wait for a year more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
I feel the same. I have been using Microsoft PDAs from the start. I even have my NEC Mobile Pro 400 here (PocketPC 1.0, still have it because they dont have a lot of value right now) and have used every version till 5.0 before upgrading to my first 6.0 device with a phone. I just sold off my old HP HX4705 (the best WM PDAs that was made)

I still have a 6.5 device as a backup but, I love WP7 and I look forward to WP8...

And for the people who hate the new look of the tiles.

... You dont have to use it that way ! The tiles can be re-sized. You can make your phone look like it does right now (WP7.5)or fill it with everything you like.

I always kept my tile limit down, just my main important things because I didn't want to scroll all the time to get basic info but, with this I will even add every account that I dont even monitor on my phone now and even have a few shortcuts to games on the home page. With out having to scroll up and down a lot...

This will be the flexablity that I was looking for....

I still wish we could do transparent tiles (just for the static color ones) and do a background image. to get a extra level of customization... Come on Microsoft...it's not too late !!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vicious2500:
Getting an HTC Zenith or whatever flagship Nokia comes out with.
[Windows Phone 7 General] McHale:
I don't get why you're mad. Windows Phone 8 revolves around hardware you don't have. Did you expect them to upgrade your phone to have removable SD or a dual core processor?

7.8 may contain all of the 8.0 features that will work on your hardware. It's a much more truthful approach than Apple's EVERYBODY GETS iOS 5 (though many features will not be available on older devices BUT WE WILL STILL CALL IT iOS 5!!!).

-Mc
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
its reasonable to expect a device sold as new, today, to have an os update. Of course there is no hardware update (as you suggested). The planning seems fairly obvious that wp7 folks were going to be unsupported, and 7.8 was only a crumb to pacify and appear responsible.

M$ made a LOT of noise about being in control of the update process, and not being fragmented like android. This is where the resentment comes from.

Personally, I could care less. When I buy a phone, remote, or anything I expect it to be no more than the day I bought it. Ever. Anything after that (IMHO) is gravvvvvvy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
So if the brand new car you buy today gets a heavy upgrade with more powerful engines and SAT/NAV packages in the fall when the new cars come out are you going to moan and complain as well? C'mon man! You knew that WP7 devices were single-core and, except the Focus, have non-removable SD cards. If you didn't know that, shame on you for not doing your proper research. You can't make Chicken Salad out of Chicken Sh!t.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GnatGoSplat:
That analogy doesn't work. Powerful engine is more like a faster CPU and sat/nav is just another feature. Even an old car is always useful because it's compatible with any roads that are built next year and the next after that irregardless of the power of the engine or SAT/NAV features.

WP7 device would be like a car that can only be used on existing roads and can't work on any new roads that are built next year because you need a newer car to drive on them.