yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[About XDA developers] Tigermoto:
Absolutely, and if one user shows their skills in one area, and another shows skills in another, wouldn't it be better for the community to, i don't know "Share" those skills with each other?

anyway, i'll get out of the thread now and just read, i've said what i feel prudent, any more will be ramblings....
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
Yes it is bro, or should be... I think that´s what most of us mean. But it seems to have gotten away from the sharing, which in my opinion through the tests of the teams, and members, makes the roms, and apps better. We need to get back to basics. This community always meant for me tests, something new, also sometimes risky... But through testing, and participating, and exchanging see what´s been achieved over the years... I remember when on Windows with the HD2, there was a lot of trading ideas, then with Android, the ideas got better, so did the developement and quality of the ROMS.

I agree with Tigermoto, when he mentioned CWM, Aroma and the other people that made it possible to achieve what we have in the ROMs today. :)
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
That's just a real nice way of saying "Get the eff off this thread and start coding."

But it works.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
If I took option 2

And wanted to learn, is it allowed to look at the original app, look in the code.

Then try it in my work.

This way the code would look the same, as I am learning howto....

But when code looks the same, they want to name it: Kang

While I did my freakin best to try and learn it.

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[About XDA developers] Goku80:
well said mr AF;) man i love your wisdom;) when you coming over to our One X side with a kernel like Red Pill with Master Pongster;)

true people can share if they want to. but it is there decision if they want to or not and there is no where on xda that states different that a developer has to share what they have developed. am not siding with anyone here but people do not tend to see the other side of the story.

i still say maybe come to an agreement were all parties are happy and get on with what you guys do best and that is create awesome stuff and make our phones better. and at the end of the day XDA is not about competition. it is about taking our handsets that extra mile and making them better.:)
[About XDA developers] RayHeath:
Danny, I think this was a great idea. It´s a great way to also hear the different opinions. I hope this leads somewhere effective. I think it´s unfair what happened to Sergio. This definately needs to change. :o :(
[About XDA developers] :
I second that m8...well said.

FYI, I started with smali about 9 month ago.

Here you can see my first sucessful smali work:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1225558

The motivation I got from my 2nd work was that I wanted to have extended quicksettings on the evo 3D gsm...and they were just available on sensation or the cdma version.

So I started to learn how in hell smali works...and sucessfully ported the quicksettings to the gsm version. tbh still without to completly understanding what happens within the smali files yet.

Then I spotted romanbbs tweaks and this is how all started... (-:

From day to day, week to week I understood more and more concerning smali.

I also got first a m8 that wrote me a java app to control that tweaks because I didnt know much about eclipse/java..but well, after leaning and messing a bit I'm able to write/maintain my tweaks app myself now.

I learned all that within nine month..well, I need to say that I'm a software developer and a few things I can understand faster than one without knowing a programming language..but its still possible for someone even without knowing one...

you just need the will, motivation and passion to do it, then you can achieve anything.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
I am a bit lost.

If this thread is going towards what happened to Sergio then i don't think it'll stay open very long.

btw @RayHeath ur signature is too big.
[About XDA developers] af974:
Ofcourse but if you know what you are doing then the code will be not 100% the same ;)

The best way, if you don't chew Java, is to dissect those files, comparing with stock files, add one at time to your files and see how they works.This way you will have an idea of how this or that works and you will be able to add a different code or something new.Obviously this practice will take a lot of time but in the end you will not have only your own file but you will learn something new and, unfortunatelly, from that moment you will be more hungry to learn again and again :D

@ Goku: Thanks but i don't think i will be on HTC train someday.....too much dramas around those forums :p
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
oh damn shame:(
[About XDA developers] Hacre:
Skipped a load of posts to answer this gem, since they all seem to be saying either this, or disagreeing with this.

Specifically this part: "If you don't want to share your work, don't publish it on XDA Cause thats what XDA is about."

No, XDA is about development and has always been about development and community collaboration. You need to understand the difference between community development and one person developing and umpteen people getting busy with winzip and notepad.

I hate the term "kang" because it sounds retarded, but if XDA don't try and keep the copy/pasters under control then the site just fills up with white noise and users don't know what project is worth using and which one is something that was thrown together in five minutes with winzip and dropped into a post that took more time to make than the ROM itself did.

This site is about collectively developing for mobile devices, as a community. The primary intent for regular users is to provide feedback that also helps further that development. XDA is a development site first and foremost, it's not a repository for people to just come and download the latest and greatest thing stamped with their phone model name.

So the developers that do all this work do not get paid, sans mediocre donations, hence all that is left is credit, props and ego. People who take someone's actual work, **** about with it in winzip for a couple of minutes and then release it to the cavalcade of brainless morons who hoop and holler about how it's the greatest thing yet, have no place on XDA and if you think they do, you don't understand the site or the nature of development and should stop posting in a debate on such a topic.
[About XDA developers] Basil3:
Just a couple of points:

If devs had immediate access to the latest version of work done by another dev, would they have the motivation to innovate themselves?

If a dev was constantly pushing the envelope with new and innovative features, only for them to be thrown straight into other ROMs, would they be able to maintain their own motivation to keep doing this?

I've owned half a dozen HTC phones, with the One X right now. To me, there is currently one dev that stands out head and shoulders above the rest with regards to innovative features being brought to the phone. This is not to say that other devs don't contribute, but I can also understand why someone would want to hold back some of their latest work for a period of time. If doing this, and receiving recognition in their own ROM's thread gives them enough incentive to continue their work, then I'm all for it.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Only getting back to this now. I'm reading my way through the thread and noticed your post. Long time mate, hope all is well :D. As for character reference, I was not aware you knew Sergio, so I'm assuming others didn't aswell......but it was a DC (Developer Committee) decision regarding Sergio anyway, and I am not a member of the DC. I have seen some of the evidence and from what I saw and understood, it looked pretty clear what happened, but as I do not know the full details, and I am not a developer, I did not understand everything :o, so I will not comment.

I'll continue to read this thread and catch up
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Collective Development it should be.

But there are to many that don't think that way.

They develop, but no Collective Development can be found.

I would never state my Rom as "The best Rom"

I did not try them all...

That's where ego's kick in.

I like I hear from users that they like my Rom.

And I don't want to promote CopyPaste...

But we could be more human towards each other. And see if we can help.

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
This is correct, if we get a report of kanging or stealing, we close thread until we investigate and sort out the claims
[About XDA developers] Hacre:
There's a lot of "not getting it" in this thread. Posting work on XDA doesn't mean it isn't your work anymore. Otherwise there'd be no GPL enforcement, for example.

"Sorry Linus, since the kernel was posted on XDA it's no longer under GPL!"

See how well that would go down. It's polite and the right thing to do, if you take someone's work here on XDA and make use of it, to give credit/thanks to the person that made that project. Because most of my work is kernel related, I don't expect people to ask me every time they want to use my kernels in a project/ROM or take code from it, because it's completely open sourced, so I'm not going to start banging a drum to PM a dev and ask permission whenever you want to use something that's posted here on XDA.

It is however, important to understand the licensing of the software which gets posted here. For Android it's either GPL or Apache licensed. The former means anyone can distribute it, modify it and must provide source code, the latter means anyone can distribute it and modify it. You must also remember, however, that XDA is a privately owned site and if you don't like the rules, don't come here. XDA cannot force you to breach licenses but they can completely and reasonably prevent you from using this site anymore if you don't adhere to their rules in regards to community development. One of those rules is you don't get to pinch someone else's work and pass it off as your own without so much as a thanks to the original developer.

Taking someone's work and passing it off as your own, does absolutely nothing for development and thus absolutely nothing for the foundation of XDA, therefore it has no place here.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
even great Fergie knows what you are saying is bang on..well said sir
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
Then why you haven't closed this two threads temporarily to hurt anyone.

The accusation and the accused.

Because in this case, the charge may argue, eventually counterattack, then the accused can do nothing. It would been more fair

I would like to take an another example about share code or tweaks, etc...

You take the most of recoveries, almost they have the same base which is built by @Koush.

it's a share (maybe after different exchanges between dev), but if you want to build your recovery tomorrow, it's without problem.

I don't understand how we can accept to share code and after some different developments by others devs, the dev who's share his base, he can said: stop it "you kang me".

It's the basis of sharing. I can give you something, I share with you.

But at any rate, if I share or give something, I don't come to recover it.

(My english isn't very good, but I have never hear this word "kang". Someone can explain for all what exactly do you mean by this term. Thanks by advance)
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
I just wish every dev licensed their work under WTFPL just like koush.

Or GPL.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Kang

The process of creating a code based of someone else's code or reapplying code that someone else created into your own code (e.g. git cherry-pick)

taken from here

there you can read up more on word definition for android:)
[About XDA developers] Tigermoto:
Hey Fallen Spartan, not seen you since my Blackstone days, good to see you are still around.

At least with you watching this thread, we can be safe in the knowledge that it'll be looked after and kept clean from the unwanted.

Good to see you.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Because, as I said, I was not involved in that case, the DC was.....and the fsm's for that area where at hand to remove any unwanted posts which arose.
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
Sorry, @Fallen Spartan

You were not involved in my sentence ;)

I thought at the DC, more particularly.
[About XDA developers] :
If someone shoots at someone, the one who shot is put into jail not and not the other one.

The documents I handed over seemed obvious for he mod that was responsible for it and closed the thread then.

The issue was handed over to the DC and they took further action and made the final decision.
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
Sorry, it's not a shot or a murder, not compare please.

I think that we are civilized people. It's just site, which a lot of people coming for sharing, finding something and talking about something.

I was talking about in terms of equity and justice.

In addition, at any time, I can have named you, or talk about your case.

We're not here to talking about your different, the Committee is here for this.

But to find a solution to the issue raised by @danny

And finally, I don't like your "way of doing". I cannot or don't judge you, cause I don't know you, but I respect the dev (who you are) and your stuff which it's really good.

Thanks
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
No problem. Just, if I make a post and you reply with a question....I am naturally thinking the question is directed towards me ;)
[About XDA developers] Whiskey103:
Oké, not good for the global issues we are discussing here. But let's stop this derailing.

Since ppl love examples, let's use them.

It's not about murder indeed.

Let's say, person Y is acused for stealing a car from person X.

We take the car and do a quick investigation of the ownership of the car yes. After we find out who is the legal owner we give him the car back.

The decision on how to deal with person Y can take a little bit longer, but person X don't have to suffer from that.

We will watch the car for a while to see nobody comes back to throw stones trough the windows because a relative is in jail.

Now let's go back on topic please ;)

And I prefer if we talk in X Y Z person and not using names in a actual case.

Keep it xda wide, not case based.
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Please stay on topic.

The reason why I started this is clear... Period

What I want with this thread, is get some more opinions but my own.

I have my thoughts on what happend, and want to see if other people can help me, and clear this up for me.

So don't discuss the reason.

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[About XDA developers] nitsuj17:
im sure my opinion will differ with many in this thread, but here it goes:

if someone spends hours creating something, or modding something for their rom or otherwise...they feel protective of it or that they are entitled to some form of ownership, regardless of the actual licenses or otherwise that things fall under (or in whatever gray area they fall)

i personally dont see anything particularly wrong with wanting some exclusivity for that work...for say a certain time frame like 2/3 weeks after release and informing the creator of your desire to use their mod

if xda could set some kind of guideline for fair usage, it would probably help things though...obviously working on oem skin roms is a weird area since its not open source code we are working with, but hacking up proprietary works, maybe something along the lines of

if requested in the rom/mod/theme op, devs are allowed up to 2 weeks of exclusivity for certain work

those using another persons specific work (in this case tweaks) must link back to the original thread in a prominent position in their op (not on post 4 of an 8 post op hidden somewhere in a changelog like some do)

if you make modifications to the work of the creator/person you got it from, you need to notify them and let them know what it is

i think too often the spirit of "sharing" is a mask for the take, take, take mentality that many people have across xda and other forums.
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
Sorry for the little "off topic" :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 03:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:10 PM ----------

I agree with @nitsuji.

For some jobs, it would be good to have a guideline which to be drafted, in such a way as to determine the duration of exclusivity for these specific works.

At the end of this period determined, the code, the tool, the application falls in the area of share, with the agreement of the dev and clearly pointed out in the OP of the user.

And always with the respect of the "SHARING"
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
ok here is my little point i would like to put forward. not been a htc user till now but from following threads Coredroid have been one of well known teams around. Now i would like to point out it would be a damn shame if they do not continue that work for the One X as well.

now i do not the whole story but if Sergio is guilty by taking away his RD status is that not a good enough punishment in his own right? why close a thread of one of the top roms around. now if so and proven guilty then ban the user. but the rest of the team is not to be at fault and still should be allowed to carry on the work which made Coredroid the known rom that it is today.

For the whole team to not be able to share there work on XDA would be a loss to the community. Just look at AdamG with his rom. He does not bother no longer with XDA even though those are for different reasons.

What i am trying to say is if one person is at fault do not punish the others.

Probably going to get laughed at here for what i am about to say but why not release the framework and then let the rest to work upon that framework as long as the proper credits are given.That way is it not that the tweaks stay for the creator and then anyone can use the framework and work upon their own tweaks? sorry not a dev so do not have a clue what i am talking about but hope someone gets what i am trying to say. Something like Jkay from the s2 forums that he has done with his app.
[About XDA developers] Hacre:
Has anyone else noticed the majority of posts in this thread aren't from developers or moderators?
[About XDA developers] mikef:
Perhaps it shouldn't have been posted in the XDA-developers.com general forum then if no other input was desired, but in the RD forum.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
That would be ridiculous in my opinion - when someone breaks a rule, why should the REPORTER be penalised?

How does this help, given the evidence IS looked at before any action is taken? If you report a member for spamming, should we ban you while we investigate? IMO this is just strange...
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Typically, a thread is closed due to non compliance with rules....

A user loses their status for misconduct. The thread would then be reopened once the original issue was resolved. Per the current rules, there was a breach, and when a user admits they did it, then it's quite clear what has to happen per our own rules...

One thing I absolutely cannot stand is someone who will try to "rename" something to prevent others telling whose it is...

Just throwing it out there :)
[About XDA developers] broncogr:
Goes without saying that if / when the material that was found "illegal"(in XDA terms) is removed then the thread will be reopened.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Fair point thank you for explaining. Like i said hope it gets re-opened cause it would be a shame on the rest of the team if the thread gets closed down and for them not to be able to carry on working upon that rom. Like i said i do not know the whole story but if one is at stake, the rest should not get punished due to the mistake of others.

And also maybe this is a good point to re-think the whole sharing between developers issues and come up with something so this from now can be avoided.

Cheers:)

EDIT: Thanks BroncoGr...
[About XDA developers] Sib64:
Sorry Sir, for taking one opinion from user, and if you prefer I can leave the thread :cool:

It's true, I'm not a dev, just a little user who has a bad english.

Thanks for ridiculous

Why spamming?

It would be better to closed both threads for the spirit, which now is bad.

Thanks for all and your comprehension, I go away.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Initially i did not know this thread was fueled by a particular situation in One X forum.

Obviously i have nothing to do with it so i stay out of it.

My point was against devs who don't share their device source, kernel included because they spent days/months hacking the kernel.

GPL is GPL.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
well maybe this should not have been made so public and maybe moved in the section were only you guys could have your input and that way you will not get us humble users to give our opinion in the matter:rolleyes:
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
I posted it on general xda forum, because it is not related to a device, but to xda it self.

And I wanted it to be an open discussion, from xda staff too the end user.

That's why here.

I will evaluate the whole thread tonight, and sum it up.

On my final post, I will close it and leave it as it is.

I got more response then I thought....

Real Community Engagement...

Tnx so far

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[About XDA developers] shrome99:
I still don't understand one thing, the PKMN and CoreDroid teams are very different, and appeal to very different kind of users, why both teams can't work out some kind of a partnership is beyond me. The CoreDroid team can make a ROM like "

CoreDroid for HTC One X - PMKN Blue edition

", and whatever extra tweaks they add (and I know for sure they will) can be used by Team PKMN as it is. I have seen this happen before. This would make both teams happy.

One thing everyone needs to understand is, A DEVELOPER/TEAM LOSES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IF THEIR THREAD IS CLOSED. Granted, they are demoralized, since they did it for the community in the first place, but apart from that, they lose nothing. They can still use the work themselves, and NO ONE can stop them from doing so, do you think the CoreDroid team stopped using/working on the ROM after their thread was closed? Of course not. What they can't do, is share it with the community on XDA. They may make threads on other forums. So, who ends up losing? The people who loved and followed the ROMs i.e. the XDA community.
[About XDA developers] mikef:
I am not a dev so please forgive this question if it seems foolish or just incorrect. I mean no disrespect by this. Am I wrong in thinking that 95+% of basically any ROM here for any phone is manufacturer written code that is not changed by a dev? Thank you.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
I know Danny mate it is just some people tend to forget that this is a community which involves normal users as well now instead of just RD's and Mods and that us non-dev members can share an opinion to. And to sum it up this thread was very informative to say the least and actually learned a thing or two about things here... Thank you.:)
[About XDA developers] DutchDanny:
Same here Goku....

My intention was to learn from other opinions.

I might not like all opinions, but everybody counts here on xda... I think

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[About XDA developers] Sib64:
I agree with you @Goku80 - @shrome99 too

Thanks again for all @danny

And this was a wise decision, this post .

You're welcome. Cheers Mate
[About XDA developers] Hacre:
My point was that the majority of the posts in this thread are white noise from people who obviously don't understand what XDA is about, or how community development works. If people want to comment, by all means, but it'd further the discussion along if people educated themselves about the topic beforehand.
[About XDA developers] af974:
In part this is true and.....wait, omg, i can't believe that, in part, i agree with you and the funny thing is that i only drink water

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