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[Galaxy S III Accessories] matttye:
Any ideas anyone?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
i hate self repeating...
[Galaxy S III Accessories] mdcarter67:
Works through a TPU case.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] knarfl1:
Wondering if the magnets affect the GPS on the phone.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
just did the mod today and must say it works like a charm!

GPS, Compass, NFC - everything plays nice as the magnet holder is powerful enough for the S3. Only with a Case (hardcase and tpu) it's not strong enough, but charging works though!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
Great job. Where are the pictures or video. Please post your new mod! Does the back look fatter. Can't wait to see it
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Yaotl:
pulled the trigger on the puck, pixi back, and copper tape. Anyone used tape yet? Pictures would be great.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
pics will follow the next days

used tape to fix the wires but soldered them to the pre coil - now i have a little bulge on the back - but i wan't to use a metal bumper so that doesn't matter (because with the tpu case the magnets are to weak...)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] baublitz:
Any tuts from you or anyone else who has done it? I'm not brave enough to do it on my own... :D Any help would be greatly appreciated!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] knarfl1:
I'm still waiting for the Touchstone and cover. :(

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747
[Galaxy S III Accessories] johku12:
I ordered touchstone and back cover and waiting them to arrive maybe in a week or so. Going to make a tutorial to youtube in english :)

Edit: I'm going to use copperwire as in the picture in this tread and not going to solder to my phone. I'm also not going to use the magnets to prevent adding bulk. Instead I'm planning to make some kind of a holder wich I attatch to the touchstone dock to keep phone in right position. Just some plastic with an angle at the bottom and attatch it with hot glue.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
Its not the magnets adding the bulk

Its actually the palm circuit board and contacts.. Thin precise soldering helps keep the bulge to a minimum
[Galaxy S III Accessories] johku12:
But if I don't keep the magnets i can pull the black sticker and everything unneccesary off. Just very minor soldering to circuit board using ultra thin copper wires and tape the circuit with ultra thin tape to a place where it's most room between back cover and the device itself. Even a mill thick magnets add bulk but the circuit is really flat.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] noblewolf:
Im guessing the electromagnetic coil receives the electromagnetic field from the dock and convert it back to electricity to charge the phone.. it also doubles as securing the proper alignment of both electromagnets. So the electromagnetic coil cannot be omitted just to minimize bulging of the back cover..
[Galaxy S III Accessories] johku12:
No kidding, thats the only way and with mire powerful charger the possible distance incrases
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
You need the black backing over the coil ir it wont work as there is metal sheet on the back.. I tried without.

So in that case you just aswell keep the magnets

I did trim a bit so the black stuff does not cover the circuit board
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
Can't wait for the video
[Galaxy S III Accessories] shaitoni:
Any news on the official chrager from samsung?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Zanith:
Not really different factors increase distances like coil dimensions.

September they said, so you can probably expect it has something todo with the olympics.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] johku12:
I'm going to isolate it with really thin tape, and it will propably work without the metall sheet also, could lower the charging pover though. Anyways I'm going to take magnets away to minor the added bulk and modify the charger in to a holder so that the phone rests there securely.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Fornowagain:
All you need is the metal foil.

The back goes on better without the metal disks and plastic cover, but you can still see the circuit bulge a little. Although I think the metal bits are still a good idea. The position of the coil has to be just right to pick up the field, the magnet helps it line up a lot easier. If you could position the transmitter coil in a cradle of some sort it would be fine I guess.

True, there's a little gap above the sim card the IC's sort of fit into. The type of wire you need is called Kynar 30awg. It's well known for circuit modding, uses a solid core, is flexible, strong and great to work with. You could also remove the coil from the circuit and extend the wires. That way you could place the IC's somewhere else, but I couldn't really find anywhere suitable.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] mdcarter67:
The magnets are actually part of the base. There are steel disks in the back cover.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
The pixi's charging area is so thin wonder if thats an option
[Galaxy S III Accessories] pcyyijb:
The pixi did result in much less of a bulge. I would show photos but it turns out I am pretty terrible with a soldering iron! I somehow managed to de solder the contact pads on the coil so I have shelved this idea for the moment.

Anyone able to solder one for me if I sent a charging cover to them?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Michael_P:
Anyone got a clue if it's possible to butcher the Nintendo DS wireless charger to do this? Because Home Bargains sells the battery and charging mat for £2.99 but not gonna waste even that if it's not possible.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] d16turbo:
You can still solder onto the metal area were the pads were. I just done this mod with the pixi guts and there is hardly any bulge on the back.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] johku12:
Did you read the voltage without the metal sheet just the coil?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
can you post some pictures of the pixi coil? would be interesting to see the differences between that one and the one from the pre...!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] As2O:
wireless charging

everyone loves the wireless charging, it was a great idea to begin with.

the idea of just placing it on a mat and with no cables or plugs it charges,amazing...

cant wait for this!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Fornowagain:
You see some transient spikes, my DMM couldn't keep up. To all intents and purposes there is no voltage induced without the metal foil.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] danwooller:
I've done mine with the Pixi cover and it's a lot more fiddly (I'd tried with the other cover first of all and broke the board peeling it off). My contact pads came away as well, they seem to be soldered on, so detach as soon as you apply heat.

I would take a picture, but it was so fiddly getting the wires right I don't want to risk taking the cover off again until I have to.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
I am looking at the pixi now and see a huge bulge. How is this better?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
This is what im talking about.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] baublitz:
Can we get a decent tutorial please? lots of noobs on here (including yours truly) who are looking forward to this mod!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] downwiththebanksters:
I saw someone do this for the S2, but it was serious surgery. I want to throw in here that Dieter Bohn mentioned doing this to his Gnex, and I believe he said he also "upgraded" the 4 steel disks in the TS cover to magnets to improve the grip due to the weight and length of the GNex.

IF

(and I read this over 6 months ago so my memory is perhaps not clear) he did this, and the correct size of magnets could be obtained it might allow cases to be used on the slanted touchstone and still grip well enough to not slip or fall.

I'm curious for someone to speak to the mechanics of why an early poster said the charge rate was lower than the 1000ma max when on USB (450ma?)? Is that a limit imposed in software by Samsung, in hardware (the pins under the battery cover allowing less charge than the regular USB charging) by Samsung, in the output of the Palm PCB lifted from Pre and Pixi battery covers (did anyone try to rip apart a Veer??), or in whatever the Touchstone itself puts out?

I had given up on upgrading to the S3, but eventual buttery Jelly Bean and 64GB with inductive charging that I can somehow slap on my Touchstone has got my juices flowing again. I get the feeling that the Samsung solution will be a mat as it says something like "you are within range and charging has started". This wasn't needed with the Touchstone as you knew it was seated correctly, and also got an audio duh duh confirmation. The Touchstone is a much more elegant and compact solution to a mat. Many folks modded them into cars and in this application "sticking" the phone to something is an absolute must. I hope this adds a new dimension to try. Thanks to everyone here! Keep documenting your progress, including specific sources for parts!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
It stays pretty solid on the touchstone until you don't have a case on the S3, will try a bumper to protected the S3 without a TPU case or something like that...
[Galaxy S III Accessories] baublitz:
Sorry to be a pest... but any tutorials please? I have copper tape and the pre kit.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
Tut:

1. Stick the pre back on the touchstone charger to make sure it works and measure where the + and - pins are, touchstone is picky about the chargers it will work with

2. Remove the Coil with the black tape from the Pre

3. Put in somewhere in the backcase of the S3 (you have to try out where it fits best and doesn't affect NFC etc.)

4. solder the cabels on the coil or use copper tape to make a connection to the wireless charging pins of the S3 (+ is the one near to the camera)

5. put it together and hopefully it works :D
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
Hi

I stated that i was getting a lower charger rate.. I dont think its due to any imposed limits..

This is probably due to the fact that the touchstone is designed for a smaller phone, with a smaller battery so its a limitation of the current hardware

Dont forget there is no physical cable connection.

I quite like the slower charge, as i can be quite anal about having higher charge levels, so my phone does spend a lot of time on the touchstone, there is less risk of battery damage with lower charge rates.

Also because the way i use the touchstone im only ever doing little top ups, so slower rates dont matter to me. If i was in a hurry and had to get as much charge in, in a short period i would use my 1.2a nokia charger

I would think the genuine samsung kit when/if it arrives will pump more juice in..

In the mean time the touchstone is good if you dont want to be constantly using cables
[Galaxy S III Accessories] downwiththebanksters:
Yes, I want to highlight to anyone doing a drive by on this how good the Touchstone/wireless charging is. I know saying things like this truly shows us that human society is in it's last throws, but it is just such a burden to search for and plug in a cable. You wind up scratching the material around the hole, or plugging it in the wrong way. Sometimes you will trip over the cable violently ripping it out of the phone and sending your precious handset crashing to the ground. Just the act of spending the few seconds required to plug in is often a deterrence to me charging my phone now, whereas I would almost obsessively plop my Pre on the charger whenever it was near. I'm totally surprised why more companies haven't gone with wireless charging for it's wow factor, convenience, as well as juicy accessory revenue.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
I think we will see more

Once the official S3 kit is out, if its popular im sure they will add it to more hansets

Then other manufacturers will follow

Shame palm never took off more.. It was a promising start
[Galaxy S III Accessories] noblewolf:
Because Apple didn't dive in yet.. once apple does, most, if not everybody follows..

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
The touchstone charges with only 450 mAh, but for overnight charging that's more than enough!

I like the idea with the magnets, so the original charger from samsung won't suit my needs because it's only a bowl ;)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] baublitz:
Thanks! Clear and concise. For step 4, can you post a picture? I got some copper tape from Ebay and I'm not confident in how to use it. Should the two strips touch, is the bottom side conductive, should we use extra adhesive to make it stick to the leads better, etc etc....

Thank you man.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
i can't answer that because i used the wires from a usb cable instead of copper tape...

so has anyone used copper tape and can answer this question?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] baublitz:
How do I know if the touchstone dock is on? I have a cable that sorta fits in the back but is there a light to make sure it is getting power? Thanks.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
Put the coil on it and measure the current...

not all chargers are working with the touchstone, mine just liked the original pre charger and the charger of the S3 - with all others there were problems to get a constant charging experience.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Yuri-CooL:
Hi,

I mentioned some curious things.

If your Palm Cover+Touchstone does not work: Check the USB Cable, connected to the Touchstone!

- The Touchstone requires an USB Cable with shortened USB D+ and D- (The 2 center pins) - else it doesnt start.

- For good/fair charging speed - u need a supply with 1000mA, so it can charge with ~800mA

More Tips:

- Dont use the magnets - ur compass wont work anymore

- place the coil in the bottom of the case (microsd, SIM, batteryconnectors) and rotate it by 180° (connectors top, not bottom like in the palm case) - so you wont have problems with NFC

I have a different CURIOUS thing...

After charging my S3 on the Touchstone (it works!) - and 10min with screen-off, I cant turn on my Screen again - it doesnt respont.

The Notificaion LED still works - but nothing else.

Device: German Galaxy S3 16GB Pebble Blue - free

ROM: Omega V6 - XXALF6

Baseband: I9300XXLEF

SD-Card: Samung 32GB Class 10

Any ideas? Do you think its a problem with the Rom?

Do
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Atarii:
I have this same issue (tested with Omega V6 and V7). Only way to solve it is with a hard reset from battery pull. Which is rather annoying as my charging coil is delicately held on with sellotape! Hope this can be resolved and isn't a hardware issue
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Yuri-CooL:
- The Notification LED is flashing (when there is a notify BEFORE hangup), it continues flashing, but the device does not respond (so hang up) to phone calls, sms, etc...

- After restart, battery lost much charge. - 20min = 10%

-> Other way to restart w/o pulling battery: Press and hold: Home+Power for 10s

Checking Kernel right now:

- Stock Omega V7 Kernel: - FAIL

- Stock Insecure XXALEF Kernel: - FAIL

- Abyss S3 1,2F Kernel: - FAIL

- franco.Kernel R6: - FAIL

- ninphetamin3 - 1.1.0 Kernel: - FAIL

- SiyahKernel S3 v1.2.6 - FAIL

So there is no Kernel for Omega to solve this issue.

Now flashing back to Stock Firmware w/o root

UPDATE:Original/Stock Firmware: - FAIL

Build: IMM76D.I9300XXALEF

BBand: I9300DDLE9

Kernel:

3.0.15-611327-user

se.infra@SEP-71 #1

SMP PREEMPT Tue May 22 21:54:17 KST

2012

After Samsung OTA Update: - FAIL!

Build: IMM76D.I9300XXALF2

BBand: I9300DDLEA

Kernel:

3.0.15.671647-user

se.infra@SEP-74 #1

SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 5 04:08:30 KST

2012

Now try to root device with insecure Kernel.

-> Back to Original/Stock Firmware

--> Root with boot-insecure-xxale8-cwmtouch-gsm.tar (Odin3, GS3 Toolkit)

AGAIN UNSTABLE - FAIL

Original/Stock Firmware is also unstable.

So for me, its NOT possibe to use wireless charging w/o rebooting the phone after wireless charging :(

Software fault? Is there any one else where this absolutely doesnt work?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
It works perfect with mit S3 (German, blue, Stock ROM, LF6, Root)!

Which charger do you use with the touchstone? My S3, at the beginning as i used a cheap & bad charger, crashed because the charging current wasn't stable... Since I switched to the original S3 charger (with a LED charging cable :D ) at the office and the original palm pre charger at home I never noticed such failures again!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Atarii:
I'm using a Nokia USB cable with the same original S3 charger. I wonder if it is the unstable current; something I noticed when taking a voltmeter reading, before I put the circuit in my phone, was the reading seemed to jump about.

The blank screen issue occurs occasionally for me, once last night and once today at lunch. Might see if I can pick up an original HP cable from somewhere.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
Mine charges perfect with the original S3 charger from samsung, perhaps try that first?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Atarii:
I use the original charger, just not the cable (doesn't fit in the touchstone dock)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
okay, thats strange! i only tried it with the original touchstone cable and the glowing cable ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370618084850&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:DE:3160 ) and it's working flawlessly...
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Zabalba:
What kind of charge ratings are you guys getting while it is plug into usb on a computer?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] johku12:
The reason why the phone crashes in some cases is the non stabile current wich the touchstone provides with bad charger. Same thing happends with faulty wall charger if current is not stable
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Yuri-CooL:
The phone is absolutely stable while charging!

When I take it away from the stone, its also stable until the screen turns off for more than 5s. (Auto screen off or i turn it off by power key)

So I cant believe that its a faulty charger.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] fylim:
Folks, does the palm pre charger accept AC input of 110v - 220v auto ? I am from Malaysia which power outlets uses 220v.

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Hi,

Regarding the USB Cable and touchstone dock.

Does it mean if I just use a standard USB cable + the Galaxy S3 ori charger, it will not charge ?

I must find a USB cable that is shorted with the said pins ? If so, what type of USB cables are these called ? Is there a name ?

Best Regards
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Yuri-CooL:
For the Touchstone, you need a Micro-USB to USB cable. - BUT: You need one with a very very small micro usb plug-housing, because the hole in the touchstone is very small.

- Original S3 MicroUSB Cable is too thick

- HTC HD2 Original Cable: Fits in, but its very loose

- Nokia MicroUSB Cable: Fits perfectly!

But those Cables are not charging, because the Touchstone needs D+ and D- shortened (connected to each other).

So I took my HTC HD2 Cable and opened the Housing of the USB (not Microusb) and connected D+ and D- (The two middle Pins). - Then u can use EVERY USB Charger. (Tested with normal PC USB Port, Macbook USB Port, iPhone 4 Charger, iPad Charger, and so on)

But I recommend a charger with at least 1000mA (instead of 500mA in the official USB Specs).

Everyone who finds my post useful -> There is a Thanks-Button ;) :cyclops:

HTC HD2 Cable looks like this:

This one fits *PERFECTLY*:

Nokia CA-101:
[Galaxy S III Accessories] holyprot:
anyone know anything about release time of s3 wireless charging device ?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Motogp1:
Interested in this too, think it's a long way off,

To unroot and return to stock for warranty watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Tga_yKywc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S III Accessories] ericlmccormick:
Quick tips and correction to misconceptions about TouchStone

I have yet to receive my SIII as I pre-ordered it through Verizon and it won't ship till Monday but I have learned a few things about the TouchStone base and pickup coil which I wanted to share. Most of this is for breaking the misconceptions that are out there about how it works.

As pretty much everyone has said, you need to short the data pins together for the thing to work if using pretty much any charger that is not for the Palm Pre/Pixi. I have a Samsung charger that follows a similar charging standard but doesn't work because there are resistors inline. Any 5V source should work as long as the data lines are crossed. This can be done inside the unit but really is not worth the effort and risk of soldering the wrong stuff together. My recommendation is cut some of the plastic around the cable away, cut the green and white wire and solder them together.

The plug is a microUSB but needs a small casing around the plug. Since you already need to splice the cables to twist the white and green wire together, keep your blade out and shave off the plastic around the plug. Some metal from the shield might get exposed but there is nothing for this to short on so just trim the plastic away until it fits.

The magnets are in the base. The four circles around the pickup coil is just a piece of metal. If this were a magnet, you would probably have issues with positioning when you turn the device 90deg. You might have issues with star mapping and compass apps while docked but when will you use them when docked? GPS apps generally use change in GPS position and not the digital compass to see which way you are pointing.

If you are removing the pickup coil from the plastic in order to save room, you must also transfer the small piece of foil that is there too. With it you should see about 5.5V and hear a slight hum from the pickup coil. Without the foil you will get about 0.04V and hear a loud pulsed hum. Not sure exactly what it does, but I do know that it is required. I expect that I get the humming because I removed it from the plastic. If you don't remove it from the plastic or glue it down well to the new cover, I expect the humming will go away.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
Here is my modded s3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ-KUgDNrwM

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1 more video showing the whole phone

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWgaSfwSrI
[Galaxy S III Accessories] winbytrick:
did someone manage to get Palm wireless charger working with Aluminum battery cover? :(
[Galaxy S III Accessories] perissatto:
@ stu5797

Brother, great video.... as i can see i did not touch on S3 ? Only on back cover ?

How you did it ?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
Thanks, there are 2 charging points on the s3. On the bcck cover he made 2 perfectly placed protruding spots so it touched the 2 charging points on the s3. The protruding spots consist of copper tape and a little perfectly placed cushion. The cushion is needed for the back cover to protrude (or buldge) perfectly into the s3. Once the buldge is complete you can then cut 2 pieces of copper tape to go from the buldge to the pixi inductive charging points. The 2 points on the pixi back must be soldered to get the correct amount of charge.

Modded S3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ-KUgDNrwM

Whole phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWgaSfwSrI
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Atarii:
Have you not read any of the previous posts? That's kind of the point of this whole thread ;)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
atarri please don't ruin this thread. Your post was not needed.

Modded S3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ-KUgDNrwM

Whole phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWgaSfwSrI
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Atarii:
I was hinting for him to read through some of the thread for the answer, rather than re-posting the same information again...

Anyway, back on topic:

Has anyone been able to confirm whether using the Palm cable/charger gives a stable voltage reading, over using other compatible cables i.e. the Nokia CA-101?

For example, has anyone taken a reading with the official cable/charger, then swapped for a different cable/charger (without changing anything else)? This would allow us to see if the unstable voltages (possibly causing the screen off issue) is caused by not using the official Palm cables/chargers.