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[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mikef:
So dhiru and adi were not able to make a bootable kernel until hillbeast came in. Is that incorrect?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Hetalk:
This statement is correct, unlike your earlier comment. :p

EDIT:

I understand that you are trying to protect a developer. I'm doing the same.

Again, I repeat, I've got nothing against hillbeast, and his UART knowledge was the spark that ignited this 3.x fire in our device devs. Million thanks to him. Once we had the UART ready, I didn't even care for the lost phone.

Here I'm not opposing hillbeast but explaining mf2112, where his statement is incorrect.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishal24387:
Ya...but not completely. Hillbeast told/taught us how to build uart & how to take logs. His old logs also were helpful to dhiru & adi. But after that most of the work is done by them independently. Thats why after building uart just within one month dhiru & adi able to get rid of rfs file system by implementing MTD filesystem which solved very important system partition space problem for cm9/10.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] BassBlaster:
Goodbye Hillbeast. Best of luck on your future endeavors. As for the fate of Kernel 3.0 on Galaxy SL? We're not doomed. We still have talented developers working on Kernel 3.0. Dhiru, loSconosciuto and Adi Pat, i'm sure we will get there eventually.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mdaamir1989:
Thanks for the help hillbeast. The Galaxy SL community just hopes that you don't loose your current phones :) Keep those safe at-least :) and all the best for your future endeavors :)

PS: By any chance your flatmate realizes his mistake and thinks of returning the phone back just let everyone know so that it can be made good use of :)

Peace.....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] neojith:
So HB leaves.. I think he's happy to be free from this committment.. He might hav wanted to be a good developer for SL initially, but this low dev device mite not hav held any charm for him... Even though ur carelessness hurt us a lot, thanks in earnest for the UART setup, man... :good:

@mod mf2112 : u mite hav done all the repeated warnings to stop a dev frm leaving this forum which has only a few devs... Appreciate ur goodwill for the community, dude... But dnt think We are completely lost.. :rolleyes: Dhiru is awesome.. He made all this stuff happen.. U cud hav atleast reported him as news worthy for the xda portal... He is immensely talented and cud hav been a huge name in xda if he had gone for a flagship device... Recognise his talents...

To all other devs who mite hav chanced upon this scuffle.. This forum is not a developers nightmare.. Actually, we are warm loving people who supports a dev till the end.. The only thing we expect is for the dev to return our love.. Or atleast be honest.. Dont make false promises..

@noobs : Dnt go on flaming senior members, they hav seen a lot more than u bout this fone... Kissing ass hoping to see development aint the motto of d SL forum.. U can worship those who do actually develop though... :p

@Fellow SLians : the fones we donated are lost.. Even the one we donated to codeworkx.. He confirmed it.. But we cant do anything bout it.. Its a story that has ended.. Lets let the devs leave with dignity.. And appreciate whatever THEY have actually done for us...:angel:
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] egzthunder1:
So...

Let me get this straight.

You guys donated a phone to a dev, the dev puts work on it, then claims to lose it and you stone him out of the forum because he did not put out a final product and your accusations hold more ground than his statements (ie guilty until proven otherwise).

Then, a moderator comes in (again) to warn all of you to cut it out, and you have the audacity to tell him to retract his statement??

I read the last couple of pages of this (since mf2112's post) and I can only say that you are all the reason why developers tend to leave, and you have gracefully proven this point.

Let us go through some semantics in here.... First of, you DONATED a device to the dev. You did not GIVE him a device IN LIEU of results. He likely said he was going to do his best to come up with something but you all need to understand the most basic concept of a donation... you MUST NEVER expect anything in return for a donation. Now, as for the "I lost the phone" part... can you verify that he is lying? No? Then STHU. You have no right to state whether he is lying or not based on your assumptions alone. No hard evidence means you cannot (and should not) draw conclusions like that. Accusing someone of losing something that you freely gave him and converting that into "you stole from us"... what in the world is going through your heads??

I am sorry if I am coming out pissed off but quite honestly, you guys should re-evaluate your position on this site, and in life in general if that is how you go about treating people who give you stuff for free.

Oh, and one last thing...

One more outburst towards a moderator like the fine gentleman in this post

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=35059624&postcount=330

or the one on this one

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=35058371&postcount=324

and some of you will start having a hard time trying to log on to xda. Consider this your one and final warning from me. Now, I strongly suggest you drop this matter right here, right now and continue to carry on with the topic of this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] maksimus0021:
Well said! Bad, I do not know English. :( I would say about as well! Thank you! Sorry!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishal24387:
Sorry to say but are you saying that here 100 senior member's (who were old member of SL community) opinion about hillbeast is completely wrong and only 3-4 people's opinion (who are in favour of him) are correct??????????????????

We never said that he lie to us about device lost. We are just saying that one should have moral responsibily about donated device.

Here buisiness is straight forward. People donate device because they want some development for device & developer take device because he promise to deliver output to people. If developer is not able to keep his promise since 7-8 months then what people's reaction should be??? Should they praise developer or should they ask developer about what happened about promise???? And come on...our top developer dhiru has done every every everything for this device. He has galaxy s3 device. If he decide to work on it then he can easily become one of the top developer of xda. But he made us promise of giving stable ICS, JB for our device & for that he is working day & night ONLY on our device. In such situation if mf2112 is comparing dhiru with hillbeast then sorry to say that it would be the one of the worst comparison in opinion.

Just by reading our opinion you are pissed off then imagine how much we are pissed off for waiting some good output from hillbeast nearly 7-8 months....!!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Under03Ground:
Sir Good day. I think you should see the whole story from the start, from how people find hillbeast and chooses him as the one who will dev the kernel 3.x (I hope the thread is still there the "Looking for kernel 3.x developer") by that sir you would understand why senior members and other people in the community with the outrage reaction of the lost phone and everything.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Gondya bhau:
you must have missed out on this post

when we donate we expect the dev to put in his efforts to make something happen....in this case, yeah he was a bit busy but he did try all the methods he could to get kernel booting.....fine.....he then lost the phone too....well seeing we got it from fuss where it was lying waste anyway...it was real careless on his part but fine.....he then helped dhiru and adi setup UART....credit to him for that....and thats why i didnt have any prob with him till now.....but LYING and taking credit of the kernel they developed is not cool......that basically sparked the war.....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mikef:
So the devs have been working together, but you somehow interpreted that as hillbeast "LYING and taking credit" for a kernel which is not yet fully developed and won't be ready for weeks if not longer and it is worth a "war". Seriously? How many commits have you have contributed to this not yet finished kernel for your share of credit in this "war"? I don't see your name in the github?

Look guys, I understand why you are upset and I get exactly why, but you just don't have the right to rage here on XDA that you seem to think you do. Things will be done civilly here or they won't be done.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] imjustafq:
"you MUST NEVER expect anything in return for a donation".. quite true..

but anyways... dhiru have replace HB's job for free.. FREE! unless you've donated unlike the rest..

so the development didn't stop. DIDN'T!... the kernel is coming.. i think that is enough to close the entire "lost phone" story..

and HB is helping dhiru to STILL make the dream of having 3.0 kernel come true..

have some patience... even if the people who donated swore to kill HB in anyway if they get him.. that wouldn't change the fact that the phone is lost and HB has already admitted that.. this is not gonna go anywhere and just wasting time to just post and post and continue to post sarcastic stuffs.. the end? the mighty MOD would might close this thread.. i don't think people would want that.. a waste that would be.. the kernel development is running.. what more?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
There's a term for this, "Good Business Ethics"

All I ask is the moderators see this from our point of view, better yet how you would feel if you had trusted giving a man the keys to your car when few people have vouched saying "This man can customize your ride, trust him" and when you do, you hear "Sir it will take a few weeks", a very common statement and one day come back to find out "I'm sorry sir, I lost your car, blame the mechanics"

Now what are you do to? Ignore the fact the guy you trusted lost your car and leave it be? Or would you trust this man with another car?

The big deal is, this will pass but the manner at which this was handled, will not. Sure he will move on to greener pastures, but I assure you, at this rate? How many future devices would you think the community will donate to him?

So you lost your car, your hard earned blood money, in a third world country where 20k for a phone is 1 months food allowance for your wife and kids? And we're supposed to ignore it? If you were in my shoes, infact if anyone else was, don't you think you'd want to tell others "He lost my car" or would you wait for others to make the same complaint?

As much as possible XDA is a place for GOOD Business Ethics, you trust people to carry out something, when people sell their phones on XDA, you trust they tell the truth, that when something is advertised that the good name of XDA is at stake. I'm sorry if this comes off blunt but this is just how harsh reality is, served on a plate. Either we take it or leave it.

Phone is lost, that matter has ended. Newbies have pushed their limits, this is their loss. I thank HB for his contributions no doubt, but none the less, this matter was handled poorly.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Hetalk:
@egzthunder1

It's saddening that you consider my post an outburst. I'll help you read my conversation with mf2112 by posting it below so you can take better judgement.

Original post by mf2112

My response

mf2112's post where he questions capability of 2 top devs for this device

mf2112's next post, not directed to me

My last response to him

Please note, I was having this discussion with a fellow member(who happens to be a mod) mf2112 as I felt, by my past interactions with him, that he was a reasonable guy who'd love to hear both sides of an argument.

Another thing I've seen is that mods normally come in always pissed off. Is is something happening behind the scenes? XDA top brass need to work on this. :silly:

Now, please don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to lighten up things, not trying to be condescending.

@ fellow SLians

Please refrain from posting anything against hillbeast.

Please understand, he's done a very big favor for us by teaching our devs about UART.

He's taught us fishing, rather than provide us fish. Now we've got the whole oceans to explore.

Please leave him and the lost phone alone. UART is worth lot more than a lost phone.

EDIT: This is my final post on this offtopic, unless I see a healthy discussion. Reason: I love to be a part of this wonderful community and don't want to risk access to it.

EDIT2: Audacity? wth
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] neojith:
I think the thing the mods are missing here is that it is not noobs that are raging against HB.. It is senior members who have seen this forum from its humble beginnings.. Why wud ppl who know about xda, how to behave in xda do all this ?? Ppl who have been ghost "moderating" the forums, warning noobs and helping them out... It is people like this who participated in the outburst.. We were pissed off by ur statements that we act without thinking.. Have u ppl actually seen members elsewhere lashing out at the mods ?? Wud we hav done that in a normal situation?? Just think instead of blindly judging us.. And again i say this with all due respect...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] wardfan220:
noobs or senior members, it's irrelevant. Everyone has been told to chill out multiple times, and now it's gotten to the point that thunder is in here. We mods (and hopefully mf doesn't get mad that I'm speaking for him) do not care if it's a noob, a senior, a recognized contributor, or another mod, if the situation gets out of control it's all handled the same way, except the mod maybe the mod committee would intervene at some point, but I'm saying is that everyone gets treated the same.

I would like to point out that there have been way more warnings than there ever should have been. I suggest we all heed thunder's warnings and relax a little.

Oh and for those who publicly taunt thunder, that's probably not a wise move. As with myself and all of the moderator crew, if you feel it important to question our motives, or our posts in any way, please pm us instead of replying on an open forum, it will yield much better results.

-ward
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] pulser_g2:
Mods are probably ending up pissed off due to people sh1t-stirring, causing issues, and generally causing havoc in here...

Is there something happening behind the scenes? Nope... And I'd know...

XDA top brass need to work on this? Yeah... Done... The site has rules about donations. Don't donate up front. If you give money into the internet, you should do so without expectations of anything... We advise users not to, and if we're made aware of anything like this it will be shut down.

Now he lost the phone (let's face it, accidents happen). Unless someone wishes to provide CREDIBLE evidence (not suspicion, I mean evidence I'd accept in court), then all this is just spam and butthurt annoying end users venting their spleens onto the internet.

@All. This is a developer forum. If you're that butthurt and upset, get working on that kernel yourselves, guys.

It's quite simple... Redevelop site, please go develop. The kernel is open source due to the GPL, which ensures anyone can start from that work if a maintainer is no longer able to (IRL commitments, or no device etc).

By choosing to be a user and not a developer in this respect, you give up any right to whinge, and any recourse you may feel you have. So knock it off guys, and get learning about kernels. Put your anger into something constructive, like sorting your kernel out!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] egzthunder1:
I was going to reply to all of the ones who replied earlier but I decided not to because, well... how many times do you need to get a warning, right?

Next up on the plate trying to argue with either pulser's statement (or mine for that matter) can expect heavy thunder storms with high chance of hammers.

Back on topic, folks... now bang out that kernel and stop the chit chat.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
I have never seen so many mods crowd around in one thread thanking posts. Does this mean an XDA BBQ party is near? :P

If anything the heated discussion here makes it seem like there is one going on. Please tell me I'm getting a shirt this time.

Well anyways, throwing this here, credits for hardwork goes to Hetalk, Adit and Dhiru on this. Since what goes on Facebook never get's shared here, well this is good enough proof to show progress is actually going on. 2 working UART's. This one's Adi's assembled by Hetalk

This one's so beautiful, I just might cry popcorn.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishal24387:
Thanx buddy ( Even I pressed thanks button :D). More than xda more activity are going on galaxy SL facebook group. And I agree with misleadz that many xda moderators are showing interest & great unity (among each other) especially in this thread which ultimately making our small forum famous. Really someone has said correctly that 'publicity is always necessary whether it come from good way or bad way' ;)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] silentcontrole:
should we say thanks to hill...t to make our forum famous ??

i think he deserve it till now this is the only positive thing that he did :laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Hetalk:
True that Vishal. As long as a discussion is done in good faith, and people are having fun, "Aal Iz Well".

And , thanks Misledz for posting UART update.

I think we should have our standard "Idli slumber party" at the regular place now that we are famous. What say amigos?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] neojith:
This thread should be featured in the portal... For most number of guest mods in a legacy device forum... :silly::p
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] silentcontrole:
just for the mods:

can we know what did you guys developped or created for the galaxy SL ?

i think nothing.....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] silentcontrole:
servers can i have some tea with some cakes and 2 spoons of sugar :3 View attachment 1544183
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] neojith:
Damn... Mebbe we should control ourselves or this is gonna be the situation here...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jan3586:
Kinda sad that this device's forum is becoming more and more exclusive to the members of the SL facebook group. And then people wonder why devs doesn't even consider working for this device(outside the ones we currently have) and rant all the time about the lack of development other phones have. I hope the flaming stops from now on especially to the mods where it is becoming personal. I thought people here are a bunch of grown ups.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] neojith:
Dude, u & everyone else will know why this all happened in a few days when it is time.. till then go on and make HB a martyr...

Devs wer never interested in this phone at all... Face it.. All we hav is Dhiru, Adi, losconscuito... And modders like lolation, frank, topdroid.. And two awesome themers ammar & androman... Till they move on to another fone, we hav them.. No one else is going to be here..

EDIT : oops.. i forgot our kernel master BAM...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
Please help me understand this. If this is becoming purely Facebook exclusive it is only because any discussions regarding 3.0 is heavily moderated over here that it's not a place we can openly discuss or post without drawing some attention, that too on a legacy device section is insane. Maybe you haven't opened your eyes and looked up, but can you not see how many mods are involved here? Believe it or not, kernel 3.0 is what's keeping the phone alive. Before you assume I ask you, what have you contributed my 'matured' friend? Let's leave the development to the ones who actually do something and keep your thoughts in a nice little box with a ribbon attached shall we, maybe then you'll see why it's turned Facebook exclusive, to avoid sarcasm like yours :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishal24387:
Ouch....!! Dont be personal buddy. That will be a big mess here. Its my friendly suggestion to you.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] chongns:
1. a highly recommended RD intro :angel:

2. a highly expectation from community :good:

3. a very careful and deep consideration from team members. :fingers-crossed:

4. a very high rise of celebration happenning to welcome :highfive:

5. a very long time of waiting :fingers-crossed:

6. a sudden disappearing happened :confused:

7. a good explanation for the disappearing.:cool:(yeah personal life that is)

8. still, a very long time of waiting.:(

9. still, nothing is happening.:confused: (even the legendary K kernel are not happened)

10. this time, phone is disappeared :crying:

11. this time, members are angry :mad:

this phone is from Fuss132, which are donated by a group of members of SL community.

members are not angry about the phone lost, (the donator should be)

Therefore, "expectation" and "responsibility" are the root cause here.

so grown up or non grown up are not the case.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Hetalk:
Hey bro, I'd agree with you being sad, if Dhiru/Adi/etc would be releasing stuff to the facebook page only. But, that is not the case, they release everything here, exclusively.

FB group was created solely so that these devs and their testers can do their beta test communication without ETAs/rants from other people.

Another reason, you see a lot of posts from people from FB group, is because most senior members and devs are a part of that group. And these senior members are the ones who are most active(helping new members and having fun) on forums.

Just my humble opinion. No offense. :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jan3586:
Obviously I'm not referring to the hill beast issue anymore but to the personal attacks to the mods. The mods doesn't know a thing about the happenings in the Facebook group so they judge the things as they see here. Yes I don't have any contributions here. But the personal attacks are uncalled for.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] chongns:
XDA rules 11

Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.

that's why we try to avoid FB information here.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
Excuse me, personal attacks to the mods? Bro, did you even graduate elementary, have you read the posts from the one's that actually count than the one's who don't know what they're talking about? There are no attacks to the mods from the Senior side, it's called "Letting them know".

Either you are biased or unbiased, just remember there is this story, there is that story, then there is true story. Where we are wrong they will do their job and guide us and implement infractions, where they are misguided with information it is our job to let them know the

-What happened

-Who's involved

-Our side

-Let them evaluate

-Last but not least, proof.

If they are led to believe that from a long quote not too long ago that the credits solely belong to one person only, one who has not delivered results, then it is the job of the community and mine to speak out on that, who have sat down, watched and seen through the ACTUAL progress, call me a camper but I have sat down and watched Adi and Dhiru post results, pictures, githubs, logs, whatever is required and being the group admin to the SL Facebook side I have explained along with the other admins ETA's are strictly prohibited, if they know, they shall contribute, and on a productive scale those 2 brilliant devs have posted progression logs and I have posted proof that this is all not a hoax but rather credit given where it is due. If the mods are led to believe HillBeast was our only shot at this, then I don't see what is wrong with us showing proof that production is still on schedule.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] neojith:
Dude, u r pathetically misinformed.. These are not personal attack on mods.. We are just correcting them.. Even the mods can be wrong sometimes.. If ur govt does something wrong, u do hav the right to protest against the ministry.. Xda is governed by mods, for the members.. Thats all the members are doing.. And i believe xda is a free community , not a dictatorship..