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[Galaxy S III Accessories] sircodyatl:
HP didn't own Palm when the Palm Pre and TouchStone was Released. Hp had nothing to do with either, charger or phone...Palm Pre and TouchStone was released June 2009...HP bought Palm July of 2010...TouchStone isn't Qi because it didn't exist then. The Samsung isn't going to be Like what the Verizon's is and Samsung joined a Second wireless power group... a4wp... first one was....wirelesspowerconsortium.....they went to the 2nd one for a cooler Induction, can charge phone while in pocket if a transmitter is close etc......so they may change the whole Qi standard for their devices...LOL

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The ToushStone has a Big Magnet inside of it. The Little round discs in the Battery Covers are not Magnets, they are simple metal disc in a certain pattern that the Magnet in the Charger that causes it to line up. For a while I thought they were magnets also til it hit me, a magnet in the phone? won't they cling to keys etc etc.....lol...well take one and try to make it cling to metal, it only way it will cling is from the glue residue...lol...I felt dumb listening to all that started the mods and going deep into where and what magnets...lol....but it turns out that having magnets on both causes problems. These guys just aren't posting it....lol...good luck everyone......also, these palm mods will not work with the future battery doors if samsung ever gets it out to us.....
[Galaxy S III Accessories] android94301:
a) Yes, the original disks in the Palm charging covers are ferrous metal, not magnets.

b) Replacing them with magnets causes absolutely no problems whatsoever, except possibly with the compass function (who uses a compass when you have GPS?)

c) Who cares if they work with Samsung battery doors, they work now! And they work great! And the whole mod costs about $10!

See Super Simple 5 minutes Wireless Charging Mod for Samsung SG3
[Galaxy S III Accessories] qben88:
im going to say, this is not super easy and a hack at best. yes it does work for some people but not everybody, me included. i just spent the better part of my day trying to make this into a long term thing but its too flimsy with the copper tape and scotch tape holding it in. plus its a very slow charge. im not saying nobody should try yours because it is a cheap way to do it. but there are better options out there. for spending $10 on the touchstone stuff i cant complain and i would'nt hold anybody from attempting it. but for me its just not going to cut it.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] android94301:
Most folks didn't have any trouble doing it, and the charging rate is just as fast as plugged in. Sorry you had so much trouble.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] qben88:
arent you MOBNnivate seller? i see you on http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...galaxy-s3-accessories-humans-3747174-288.html as the point of contact and some other forums i cant recall?

EDIT: after a little bit more googling i can confirm you are.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] qben88:
not saying you did, just pointing out who you are. i did want to ask if you can post some more high res pictures preferably close up of the product.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] aeron16:
I have this (obtained a sample same as the pic above from Victor).

Loving it as it works great with my S3 with the carbon fiber black battery door with no gaps visible.

Charging it using my Energizer Qi pad and loving it so far.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] geolemon:
I wouldn't say all that...

The Palm option is superior in many ways.

Cost is just one way.

In my case, I've added a touchstone to my dash in my car, and now I can just place my phone there and it sticks magnetically, while charging, for me to Bluetooth connect and stream audio to my car stereo or use navigation.

With an NFC sticker on the touchstone, you can turn Bluetooth on, connect, and start a car dock app just by placing the phone into the touchstone.

No physical clipping into a car dock (after taking your phone out of its case) and plugging wires in that are ghetto-izing your car interior when there's no phone there...

In fact, I can't think of a way the Qi version would be superior...

Are you picturing some scenario where you are traveling, forgot your charger, can't locate a micro-usb cable, but have come across a Qi charger mat?

...Even if this Qi format does catch on, we're still years and years from it becoming anything close to ubiquitous.

And if it does, all I have to do is pop off my Palm-modified charger door, and pop on a Qi door (and then have to change all my charge accessories for more expensive ones).

In the meantime, the way the touchstone magnetically aligns to the phone enables NFC tag use in car and home (where the Qi benefit is letting you put your phone "anywhere" on a mat) to launch modes or apps, as well as the magnetic grip of the touchstone that's absent with a Qi.

I'm not seeing the benefit.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Jeurum_92:
Maybe in your case the Palm is better, but for others the QI us much better and simpler.

You don't need to solder or use copperpaper to get the reciever working.

Just place the reciever and up you go.

Once you got a charging pad, you don't need anything else if you switch from phone, just look at the new Lumia phones.

Same charging pad as on QI site.

Send from my GT-I9300 with Tapatalk
[Galaxy S III Accessories] ddurandSGS3:
thats sweet.

can this affect warranty?

probably a stupid question as i could just buy a new battery if something happened....
[Galaxy S III Accessories] winbytrick:
Big thanks to searley who raised this idea, i made one for my S3 as well. Yet since i used copper wire you will see this fits perfectly in the S3 backcover
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Mherder:
I'm totally doing this, especially since the touchstone is only 5 bucks.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
winbytrick, did you solder? If not what kind of tape did you use?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] winbytrick:
Yep I did and secured them with a tape
[Galaxy S III Accessories] N23:
hmm, i could try it - but for sure i wont! :D
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAqP3T_Mbzg
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
I have modified mine a little

I have rotated the coil by 180 degrees and lowered it so its over the sim card

This allows full use if NFC
[Galaxy S III Accessories] winbytrick:
Nice idea, i did consider this before modded my S3. Yet it seems the S3 will lose balance when charging since the magnets is quite low
[Galaxy S III Accessories] joelgrice:
I am so doing this as soon as I get my gs3. I have the hp touchpad & love the wireless charging. can someone post the part numbers or phone model numbers that I need to look for?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] winbytrick:
Either Palm Pre Plus or Palm Pixi back cover will work with the Palm touchstone
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Yaotl:
wow, this is really tempting. I noticed that the actual touchstone puck doesn't come with a charging cable, does any microUSB cable fit?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] winbytrick:
I'm afraid you need the genuine Palm cable to work with Touchstone; all 3 microUSB cable I have do not fit in the Touchstone
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
Not true... I have mine plugged into an old nokia micro usb crager that cam with a nokia N97

An old htc one works too..

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I disnt solder to the phone, i put a ball of solder on the end of the cable, then push this into the holes, and held in place with tape

This way it will remove without leaving any signs of it being there

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It still hold perfectly well, in my opinion i prefer it sat this way, and it does not interfere with nfc
[Galaxy S III Accessories] JayGoat:
First, thanks for the great pictures and post. But this copper wire you use, where did you get it? Also, is it insulated? I've been looking for a little while and haven't been able to find any that looks as thin as yours.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
I stripped some out of an old set of earphones.. Its very thin and insulated

The insulation is so thin you just burn through it with the soldering iron
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
copper tape may be the best bet
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Fornowagain:
The Pixi may be a better donor. Even has the copper contacts, may be possible to reposition them.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] JayGoat:
Ah OK. Now the final question, would this be able to charge through a thick case such as an Otterbox Defender?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] searley:
No it wont.. You would get away with one of the wet apply skins

Maybe a thin tpu case, anything thicker then it will not work
[Galaxy S III Accessories] jrdejavux:
Where did you guy purchased this kit? thanks
[Galaxy S III Accessories] lmclaurin:
Already have a qi Charger, where to buy the transmitter?

I just need the transmitter that goes in the phone, and I'm not interested in the Palm solution because I'd like to stick to the qi standard. Anyone with any answers?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
You should really look into the palm solution. Cheap, great and long lasting. Good luck
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
Whats the story with nfc and this card?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] stu5797:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ-KUgDNrwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S III Accessories] qben88:
from what i've gathered in my research it works.

EDIT and just to add, NFC works for both methods.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] geolemon:
"Simpler" is not necessarily "better".

This is the same argument you hear on android vs. iphone.

Some people are the type who want simple, they don't mind losing functionality for it. That would be the Qi route.

Some people want the additional functionality and usefulness (and in this case, cost as well) of the Palm parts.

This is all good food for thought for people thinking of going one way or the other - there's tradeoffs here, with a Qi charger.

I wouldn't give up the ability to mount a touchstone in the car - no dock, just magnetically magically held in place right below my stereo on the dash, auto-starts my bluetooth and connects via an NFC tag stuck to the touchstone... you get none of those capabilities with the Qi mat.

That's not to say you couldn't mount an NFC sticker on a Qi mat, but then you'd be in exactly the same position as having a touchstone - it's no longer just a "Drop my Qi device on the mat and it'll charge" - you lose that, since you have to place it exactly on the sticker, and you don't have magnets to guide you in that like you do with a touchstone.

Qi is a standard, but what's that good for? It's new, and it won't become ubiquitous for the 2 years of your contract, even if you got a phone now. You won't be stuck out somewhere, travelling, and the only thing you could find is a Qi charger because those have replaced traditional means of charging. :laugh:

If it does truly catch on, the cost will only go down. Buying an early-adapter Qi mat now won't really save you money in the long run, even if 2 years down the road you decide to get a new phone... AND that new phone happens to use wireless charging... that conforms to the Qi standard. All unknowns.

I wouldn't sweat it with your current phone now, for a standard that hasn't become standard yet, that's all I'm saying. You might pass up on other benefits.

But sure - if there's a Qi product that you can stick right in, that's certainly the easy way out - that's one benefit at least.

I just don't see any others.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] leonlmf:
i managed to get one of the palm mod one cost me about $20 usd. it works prefect with my 3mm thin case. The wireless charging is slow. it is like double the time for cable charging.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] lmclaurin:
Thanks, but like I said I want to stick with the standard though the Palm is tempting. I think I've found a source to secure 100 pieces and just sell them on Ebay for about 20 bucks each. Besides the Energizer 2 position charger solution only goes for 19.99 with free shipping on Amazon.com, so you'd be talking about 40 bucks plus shipping for a kit instead of 70 to 100 bucks. The only thing is it takes a few weeks to get them, and I'm afraid I'd be stuck with these things should the official Verizon kit or the Zens kit come out between now and then. I don't have $1,000 to throw away, and I'm really interested in getting people like us the solution we're looking for without paying an arm and a leg.

Edit: I paid 19.99 for my Energizer charger just a few days ago, the price is now $31.50
[Galaxy S III Accessories] axel06:
Chinese Qi transmitter

While the receiver works great, the Chinese Qi transmitter is a piece of junk. We finished testing 3 sample transmitters. They work for a charge and next test it goes on and off. The testing we did involved a total of 180-195 hrs each and not acceptable.

Buy the receiver that lays on top of the battery, but use energizer or Panasonic. Verizon is a pain because it emits alarm when charging done.

In short: skip Chinese transmitter, but do use the Receiver
[Galaxy S III Accessories] lmclaurin:
So are you saying the kit the guy is selling is not very good because of the charging pad? I thought the part that touches the battery was called the transmitter and the pad like the Energizer was called the receiver?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] mputtr:
the part that touches the battery RECEIVES the charge, while the pad it lays on TRANSMITS the charge.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] axel06:
See my post # 403

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Charging pad is always the TRANSMITTER
[Galaxy S III Accessories] lmclaurin:
I asked the question not because I didn't understand your post, but because the the place I ordered from shows a picture of the part that lays on the battery, but they refer to it a transmitter. I just hope I get the right part.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Jeurum_92:
You take as example your car set-up.

But not everyone uses their phone in their car and not at all with a wireless charger in their car!

Most people will use wireless charging at home.

Just as a charger at home, the Palm has no advantages, it is only cheaper. And NFC tags can also be put on the charger if you want, and you can lay down the phone on it, just as simple as that:)

Also changing battery with palm mod is not easy. I have 2 batteries and use them both and with the QI reciever changing battery is easy, with the palm reciever with copper to the contacts is more work...

Send from my GT-I9300 with Tapatalk
[Galaxy S III Accessories] cnewman402:
Past the argument of which method is better where can I get one of these?

For the other half of the argument it should be obvious the phone is the receiver and the pad is the inductor how else would the technology work? The phone is not providing power.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] axel06:
No, that's what is referred to as receiver. Transmitter is always the Qi part that plugs into a wall outlet and transmits to the receiver that is located inside the S3 that connects with the 2 contacts next to its battery
[Galaxy S III Accessories] cnewman402:
Found where to buy one. Just email victorlht88@gmail.com he will send you one via paypal. He also will add tracking and send which ever part you need.

:good:
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
Do you have any more info other than just a random email address to send money to? Thanks.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] cnewman402:
http://youtu.be/oKdNCiShlY0

Victor is a member here and I noticed another member named Aaron confirmed he received his and it is working with the Qi Pad by Energizer. Those pads are on sale for like $30.

I tracked him down in another forum to a twitter and facebook account. I then found his youtube video and emailed him from the description. He sent me a invoice via paypal, and is sending one to my confirmed address. I'll hide behind paypal with the money, but he seems legit.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
PM sent.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] xceebeex:
I sent you an email a little while ago inquiring about the receiver only. So hopefully you get that email.

EDIT: Thanks for the response. Let me know if you get more in where you can sell just the receiver.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] Jeurum_92:
I'm waiting on this charger, looks beautiful:

LG WCD-800
[Galaxy S III Accessories] ldub33:
sounds good i'll give it a try
[Galaxy S III Accessories] android94301:
Not true at all. If you do a neat job of installation, it doesn't impact changing batteries at all!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] geolemon:
My point is the same - you still aren't describing any advantages.

As a charger only, if used just at home, without NFC, the Touchstone and Qi are equals. I'll agree with that.

But that's a pretty big disclaimer and qualifier.

There are disadvantages with going the Qi route - no magnetism is good for more than just in-car use - for example, NFC tags...

...as I mentioned: with the Touchstone, it self-aligns to the NFC tag. With a Qi pad, it doesn't, in fact you'd have to specifically set the phone down on a precise spot on the pad, then wait for some confirmation that you did get it - and that actually removes the "drop it anywhere" advantage which is actually the crux of the 'big benefit' of the Qi system.

And the magnetism IS good for in-car use, if you want to stream audio and use navigation in-car. Cool that it just magnetically sticks to your dash, no dock, mount, plugs required... and an NFC tag even can automate the Bluetooth connection.

Like I said, it's food for thought on comparing the two systems, and worth considering.

You simply declared Qi being a standard as "an advantage", which I think is misleading:

Qi hasn't become ubiquitous, and has no other intrinsic advantage. Two, three years down the road? Maybe like WiFi, you'll start seeing Qi mats in coffee shops and hotel rooms and places where you aren't using your own equipment. But not today.

And maybe then, they will have advanced the standard to some 2.0 version, such that there will be in-car applicability as well - you never know. Investing in Qi 1.0 today might even be an expensive and future-obsolete route. We don't know where it's going.

My point is, you can have all advantages OF today, today, by going the Touchstone route. There isn't a disadvantage today.

Worry about tomorrow when it comes and you can invest in tomorrow's version then. It'll be cheaper then, too. ;)

I think that clarifies my two cents.

(PS. It doesn't complicate battery removal, all parts are contained in the battery door, it's removed just like a battery door without the charger parts. This is true of both the Qi and Palm parts.)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] garyd9:
I don't know about the Qi solutions, but the Palm solution seems to cause problems with the devices magnetic sensor (and therefore the compass.) I tried the compass (via smart tools) with the palm coil and without, and the compass is extremely unreliable with the coil against the phone. I'd guess (but am unable to verify) that the Qi solutions might have the same issue.

I don't know where the magnetic sensor is located on the i9300, but I'm wondering if there should be some type of shielding between that part of the phone and the induction coil.

Can someone who has the verizon inductive charging back please use some compass app with and without the back cover attached to see what impact it has with the magnetic sensor? I seem to remember that the verizon cover has some additional shielding - which might be to deal with this very issue.

Thanks

Gary
[Galaxy S III Accessories] eatonjb:
if you want a good car charger thats Qi., just make a charger that has a 4 post with rubber ! that will keep it secure and charge it, add an NFC tag to it, and boom!

thats my next retrofit.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
Do you have a pic of this 4 post rubber thing you speak of? Cant visualize what you mean.

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I have the vz one in my phone. It doesnt affect the compass.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] garyd9:
I really need to get a hold of one of the verizon inductive backs... It's really sad that they aren't available in any stores near me or online.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
I just returned an extra one to the store today. I knew i should have posted it for sale. I would just wait for the new one to come out now. The vz one has a thicker back and wont fit any cases. You can rip it apart and fit it in though.

Edit : your store should be able to order one for you if they dont have ir in stock.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] eatonjb:
just modify something like that

and the Verizon QI charger wont mess with anything 1. cause it's made for it. 2. because as already discussed, Qi does not have magnets.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
So im guessing youd have to rip a qi mat apart to get the size down. Then what do you do about it needing an ac input? Do the energizer ones use usb power in?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] eatonjb:
AC? 99.999% of consumer electrons like this use a AC to DC converter with a barrel connector on it. right now, it is a 12V 1.0A adapter that it comes with, I can just wire that right into the car with a relay, or a cigirate ligter adapter.

I am going to start tearing it down as soon as i find a sutiable bracket for my car.

my other option (since I dont have people in my car most of the time) is intergrate it into the seat so i can just toss it on there.. just an idea in my head. prob wont happen.

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thats all the Energizer pad is. all i have to do is fold it over and i will be set!
[Galaxy S III Accessories] lmclaurin:
Maybe THAT'S the issue; it seems that many people on this forum set up everything as an argument, or respond with crappy attitudes. There was no argument; I was simply trying to get clarification. It is not "obvious" which is which to someone like me who has no familiarity with these things or qi charging in general. Furthermore, as I said before, the company supplying the part that touches the back is referring to it as a transmitter, so I started using their term and asking the clarifying question.

I have ordered some of these things, and if they send me the correct parts, I will put them on Ebay at cost plus shipping. I'm not trying to make money off these things. They should be here in a week.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] maniac2k:
Thats true on the ac/dc converter! Keep us updated on your progress. It just seems that a magnetic car dock would be nicer because you dont have to mess with the arms of a non magnetic mount. Just pop your phone on and pop it off.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] eatonjb:
I gotta figure out how to go about it. magnets would be nice, but the way I drive, it will still end up falling off!