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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] firelightx:
At no point in time have I seen anything that suggests switching from 3G to 4G will lose your unlimited. I would call this false.

Before June 28th: you can upgrade from any smartphone to any other smartphone and keep unlimited.

After June 28th: You can no longer upgrade and keep unlimited. You can buy outright (or off craigslist, etc.) and keep unlimited that way.

3G and 4G doesn't make any difference to this, and any rep who says otherwise either doesn't know what's going on, or is lying to you.

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In other news, I thought I'd report back with a couple interesting success stories on this new plan.

I ran into a guy who rooted his phone (they're so adoreable when they're trying to hide this fact from me) to get the free hotspot. He uses 13GB in a month just on that line. He is absolutely terrified of losing his unlimited.

I sent him home with a price quote of 18GB per month. 18GB. I couldn't believe the number myself. I especially couldn't believe the part where this change was going to save him $40 a month.

Yeah. My own eyes were bugging out.

Almost every single customer I've done this sort of comparison for has been similar stories. People who were losing unlimited, but use less than 5GB combined on all lines. $30 savings. A guy I rung up for a phone last month for a $30 2GB plan. He uses 100MB. I'll be switching him to 300MB and saving him $20 a month.

I have only seen one customer so far that didn't benefit financially from this change, and that was a case where the guy got the double data feature on 2 of his lines and was actually making use of it. And you know what? I got to tell him that he didn't have to switch.

The amount of money I'm saving people over this makes me feel awesome. Like for once my company's prices are something I can be proud of.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 916Kev:
Use this calculator to see if you'll save $$$

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...culator.jsp?intcmp=VZW-VNT-SE-SHAREEVERYTHING
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
We Recommend

6GB

Shared Data

Unlimited Talk & Text

Monthly Access*

$250

Verizon Wireless data devices average between 1 and 2 GBs of data a month.

*Does not include taxes and surcharges

I pay 234 now...including taxes and surcharges. I think folks might want to consider that whole * statement before assuming these will save money (it doesn't for me, either way).

There have been a few who have mentioned that they will save money with these plans in this thread. Once you calculate taxes and surcharges, you might be surprised to find out that it ate up your savings and you are now paying more.

From my last bill:

Verizon Wireless' Surcharges

and Other Charges & Credits $29.14

This differs from state to state and number of devices I am sure.

Recommendation was crap anyway and favors less data than you use currently. I chose 5-10 per month and it chose a 6gb plan?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] copkay:
The Verge - Verizon to Kill Grandfathered Unlimited Data Plans

Now, that could just be poor wording on Shammo's part, and what he really means is if you subsidize a new 4G device and sign a contract, you'll have to come off of unlimited, but that's not how I interpret it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
yeah im kind of in the same boat as you. these new plans will cost more and i get less.

We Recommend

6GB

Shared Data

Unlimited Talk & Text

Monthly Access*

$190

i pay $160 right now after taxes... so this is just a bad deal for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
All spin aside, there's nothing adorable about it. Most will pay substantially more. The exception are those using little data which might as well buy a regular phone and avoid the $40/smartphone fee.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
I have a smartphone and a tablet and I will get an extra gig of data for $10 less per month using these shared plans. I'm happy about that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] firelightx:
Most will -not- be paying more under this system, because most people don't use very much data. You have to remember, the people who frequent a site as nerdy as XDA (no offense meant - I'm as nerdy as they come, myself) are the vast minority. Less than 1% of people with android phones even know what rooting means.

Verizon claims that 95% of it's smartphone users has never once gone over 2GB, even the unlimited customers. My own anecdotal data supports that completely. Most of the people I've spoken with so far at work will in fact be benefiting from this. I'm sorry that you're not one of them.

Copkay:

From your same source:

Update: Verizon provided some further clarification on the planned shift in policy to The New York Times. Customers that have an unlimited data plan can maintain the service by paying full retail price for future devices — essentially forfeiting the savings that usually come with an upgrade. The carrier's full statement:

– Customers will not be automatically moved to new shared data plans. If a 3G or 4G smartphone customer is on an unlimited plan now and they do not want to change their plan, they will not have to do so.

– When we introduce our new shared data plans, Unlimited Data will no longer be available to customers when purchasing handsets at discounted pricing.

– Customers who purchase phones at full retail price and are on an unlimited smartphone data plan will be able to keep that plan.

– The same pricing and policies will be applied to all 3G and 4G LTE smartphones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] copkay:
I still think it's unclear, as technically you are changing your plan to 4G instead of 3G, but that's not to say I'm doubting what you say is true. I just think it's questionably worded, but it's good to hear that it isn't as I understood it originally.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Did you factor in surcharges and taxes?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
Yeah. It still works out to roughly a $10/mo savings with an extra gig of data.

For the plan I have, I pay $160/mo for the 900 minutes with 5 friends/family numbers, unlimited texting, 4 GB of data on the Galaxy Nexus, and 5 GB of data on the Xoom. Add on taxes and I pay $168.92 and get 9 GB total data.

So, with the new plan, let's keep the taxes the same...$8.92 (even though it will probably be less due to being based off a lower monthly dollar figure)...

10 GB data - $100

Galaxy Nexus - $40

Xoom - $10

That works out to $150/mo + $8.92 for taxes = $158.92.

So unless the taxes go up by $10/mo, I'm saving money, going from 900 minutes to unlimited minutes, and getting an extra gig of data.

I'm in the camp that believes that most who came to Verizon post-unlimited data will either see no change or actually save money. Anyone who has an unlimited plan on even one phone on their plan stands to get screwed, which is unfortunate.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimb9:
If i had the choice of sticking with my plan and going out of contract to have more flexibility or save $10/month i would elect the former.

My gnex will be just fine. I have unlimited data and usually use 1.5-2 gigs/month. Even though some would say i could save money on a shared plan with my girlfriend, its more piece of mind knowing we dont have to worry about overages.

We all know its about profits. VZ has been new hitting 52 week highs the past two weeks. If this was to save the consumer money, then the cubs are going to win the world series this year.:cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
If the data plans were double what they are I think that would be "Fair." But to me, to pay 100 bucks for 10gb is absolutely absurd!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ashclepdia:
Problem with that is that most users had unlimited with 3g devices, i found it hard to get over much more than 2gb/month in 3g just cuz it took so long to do things in 3g that i wind up on wifi anyways.

Now that i have 4g tho, km easily breaking 10gb/ month watching movies, downloading, streaming music, playing games, etc... And i haven't even tethered ONCE.

That's my main reason why i never went over 2gb much. Whole didn't story now that network data is worth the time for me to use it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] firelightx:
What I gather from that is that you could be using wifi but choose not to. Meaning you could potentially fit onto a much lower plan if you utilized it, but choose not to.

There is nothing wrong with making a conscious choice to pay more, particularly for the peace of mind that paying more provides. That's kind of what put Verizon on top in the first place, after all. As long as you realize that's the decision you make.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ashclepdia:
I don't know about you, but when i was buying my device about a year ago, i compared plans and coverage between att, sprint, vzw. At vzw i was told i could get unlimited data with great coverage (which i do), but i was ALSO told that as long as i UPGRADED&RENEWED i could keep my unlimited. Now that's not the case, sure i can get a new device and keep my plan unlimited data, BUT it's not really "upgrading"(the way i was told about it) if I'm not getting a better price on that device when i get it.

And yes i COULD use wifi...but my 4g signal is faster, and i shouldn't need to rely on wifi since i have unlimited. So i don't. Just feels like I'm being kicked in the balls, i was told one thing, and, now not even half way through the contact i signed, based on what i was told, i won't be able to do that anymore. Oh well, looks like I'll just start saving for my off contract phone now then...lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shev7chenko:
I can confirm this I am on week two of at&t service and at 2.98gb
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimb9:
^This^
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bleach168:
That's true... today. Wait a few years when data use triples. Most people will end up paying more in the long run.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andro X:
^This^

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I think most people tread lightly when using data, or other reasons limit use. The carriers got you on the pipe and you know it. Especially the people that think they're gonna save on this in the long run. Google needs to buy tmobile already and go nuts.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KWKSLVR:
It really only benefits people with multiple devices. I'll give them credit for one thing, adding on something like an iPad for $10/month is totally reasonable and including tethering is something every carrier should be doing in the first place, so really, HUGE thumbs up to big red for that. The rest is insane in my opinion.

With my employer discount, I pay $110.XX/month for 900 minutes (I use about 300/month maximizing my 5 free number deal), unlimited texting, and 10GB's/month. Hell, one of my numbers is my GV number, so I essentially have unlimited voice. I typically use 8-10 gigs of data each month. I'm constantly on the road and I do a lot of tethering. Most of my data use is uploading stuff for work. LTE is MUCH faster than home/hotel internet and it makes my work day shorter. If I tightened the reigns and did less downloading of CM9 nightlies and streaming radio, I could probably shave 2 gigs a month.

The way I see it, these new plans hurt light data users. Verizon knows that people don't use voice that much anymore and SMS is dirt cheap. Charging $90/month for voice/sms/data is highway robbery. Unlimited isn't an appeal to most people. Come to think of it, the only person I know that affectively utilizes unlimited voice is my boss, and it's for business use. Either way, it's an unavoidable fact of life since they're gonna do this one way or another. That said, I have a feeling that Verizon will make adjustments to this or scale it back in some way seeing how response to this has been less than favorable.

Not factoring in my current discount, the new plan would cost me $140/month with 10 gigs. After my discount, it would be close to the same amount, $112/month + taxes with the only "benefit" being unlimited voice, something that I do NOT need. I could live with that, I suppose. But for the average person that wants 2GB's a month with no employer discounts, $100/month is insane IMO.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
I know that I've said this many times before but I just want to remind you all that 3 months after they introduced tiered data plans, they started throttling unlimited 3g users that they considered to be "high bandwidth" users. They did not throttle LTE users at the time. LTE is live in more places and all new smartphones are LTE (unless you insist on getting the lonely little Win7 phone they carry.) Do not be surprised if they start throttling us as well. I would like to see the VZW employees spin that. Lots of music streaming and an unhealthy addiction to YouTube can put you in the "high bandwidth" category without tethering. I will also remind any "you should be using wifi" apologists that for the time being, VZW's network is more secure than wifi that you have no control over. Sure there are security precautions you can take and the chances of you being afflicted are very low, it's still not the same.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] byrds8:
Its very few that will/could benefit from these new plans. I would almost pay what I am paying right now if I chose to switch. Right now I have 2 smartphones and 1 dumb phone with 8G of data between the two smartphones. I pay about $197 now. If I added a new line now though its only $10 more but after the switch its $30. There seems to be a sweet spot for if you could actually benefit or not. Im going with the vast majority will be paying more for this new crap they choose to ram down our throats. Sad thing is on top of it is ATT already stated they are going this route too. Being we all know they price the same there is no hope to switch to have a cheaper plan. Just my 2c
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kyrumo71:
So if I have 1 unlimited data line and 3 regular lines and I decide to close 2 of my regular lines I will lose my unlimited data?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] T-Keith:
Can you switch data plans after the new ones are out or will we have to change both our lines over?

We pay $120 after taxes and fees. We have the 550 minute plan with one phone on unlimited data and the 200 text option ($5), and one phone with a 300mb data($20) and 400 text messages (20). Yes we don't make a lot of calls or texts, and my wife is in wifi all day. With the new plan the cheapest we could pay is $140 before taxes and fees and we would be way over is minutes.

However right now we could upgrade her data plan to 2gb for $10 more. Will we be able to do that after the switch.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] UrbanConquest:
No real savings. Not really sure what Verizon is thinking with it's service restructuring.

While they consistently have the best service...they also consistently have the highest fees.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
If everybody really wants to make a statement on the new plans, just get the talk and text. No data.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LaserChicken:
I have unlimited data. If keeping it means I buy my next phone off eBay or CL, so be it. In less than 6 months, some bleeding-edger is going sell his S3 for 300 bucks...I'll score it and continue on with my unlimited data.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] firelightx:
Technically your current plan is a grandfather grandfather plan already. It hasn't been offered in almost 2 years. You'e kept it so far, you will continue to keep it, can you can switch the features on it (amount of minutes, texting, or data, etc) without having to switch to the new plans. I have proven this time and time again personally when helping customers keep their 8+ year old Alltel plans. I see no reason for it to change.

The only people being forced onto the new plans are the new customers who've never had a taste of the old plans before.

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You will not lose your unlimited for making changes to other lines. You can even add new lines, set them up with $30 for 2GB, if you like, and your line with unlimited will remain unaffected.

My calculations put your setup under the new plan at an even $200.

$90 for 8GB

$40

$40

$30= $110

$200, for those three phones. Almost exactly the same bill. If you have a standard discount, verizon's system has quoted $200 plans as low as $174 after discounts. So where's the benefit?

It's only $10 more to turn that 1 dumbphone into a smartphone, where as it used to be $30 more. The other benefit? I would wager you don't really need the full 8 GB. You might get away with 6, or even 4. That's $10-$20 more in savings. You can't base the new plans on what you have currently. The new plans are designed to save you money by setting them up only with what you need. If you don't need 8GB between the two, why in god's name would you pay for it? That's like paying for 2000 minutes when you only use 100. No brainer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afma_afma:
nope u will not .....as long as ur unlimited line doesn't get upgraded..it will b untouched....
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WhiteHartMart:
Set up my works Exchange account on the S3 and suspected it was causing high battery drain.

Selected some 'sleep time' from within the application and then also selected Manual Update so I could save battery. It appears manual doesn't change anything though as my mail still comes through unless I deactivated the account completely?

Anyone else have this issue.?

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ftanner:
That wouldn't be a bug in Exchange causing the issue.

It is, most likely, because ActiveSync, which is what Exchange uses to communicate with your phone, is a server-side "push" technology. This means that your phone, most likely, has WiFi and/or your Internet services "always on" to accommodate ActiveSync. ActiveSync doesn't work like Blackberry where the client-side does all of the control/communication (pull technology). It is all done server-side, which means that the phone has to always have an Internet connection, either through WiFi or the phone Internet services, to be ready to accept incoming information from ActiveSync.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WhiteHartMart:
Thanks for the reply - so the option to manually retrieve mail is pointless then as it going to get pushed whether I want it or not?

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ftanner:
After posting my response, I decided that it could be a little bit clearer, so here goes.

Blackberry (BES specifically), IMAP, POP3, SMTP, etc, the client side, in this case the phone, is in control of all of the message synchronization. Meaning that every n number of minutes/hours/days it opens up an Internet connection and says, "Do you have anything for me? If so, send it now." That's client-side pull technology.

ActiveSync, on the other hand, the server (in this case the Exchange Client Access Server), sends out the info, via AvtiveSync, every time something new comes in to your Exchange mailbox. This happens "real-time" rather than every n number of minutes. This means that the client side, in this case the phone, must have an "always on" Internet connection, either via WiFi or the phone's Internet service, to accept these "real-time" updates. This is server-side push technology.

Server-side push technology, by its very nature, causes the client-side, in this case the phone, to consume more battery since the WiFi and Internet "radios" must always be on.

I hope that this makes more sense than my last post.

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Correct. The server is the controlling "party" in the paired relationship.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frav:
I ran the same tests on the S3. I'm syncing 3 exchange accounts.

Email exchange service drains the battery really fast ...

Nearly half of the battery is used (battery stats) for this process only [47%].

My battery cannot last:

- on 3G networks, more than 5 hours.

- on WiFi, it goes up to 8 hours.

I used to sync the same exchange accounts on 2 other Samsung devices: Captivate Glide and Galaxy Note - both running Android 2.3.5/2.3.6

=> no issues with the sync services draining the battery.

IMHO, this is not only linked to the Activesync technology, it is also linked android release and the way email exchange service is made/configured (or runs).

There might be some tweaks or possible patch for this service...

But don't know what or where, yet ...

My 2 cents ...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4fseeker:
The phone keeps at least one connection to Google open at all times (C2DM push) when it has a network connection.

Open and half-open connections do not really cause high battery drain since your device can (and will) go to lower power states and switch the network to fast dormancy which is a sort of periodic polling for new data.

A scientific article about the topic can be found here: Link (PDF)

The relevant part is in footnote 4 of paragraph 4.1.2

Additionally that IMAP is poll-only is not entirely correct. While IMAP itself is usually only used as PULL (client requests, receives, closes connection) many servers support the IMAP IDLE mode (client requests, receives, waits for new data, receives, waits, ...) which is a real push technology.

(Technically it differs from Google's C2DM which in fact is HTTP (Comet) long-polling and not true pushing)

I've noticed a high battery drain on Exchange too, even if the account was disabled. It's unrelated to how the phone is connected (Wifi,3G,2G) and _seems_ to get lower when no data connection is open.

It will only go away if the account is removed and seems to caused by the app waking up all the time even if not needed. Thirdparty apps and stock Android do not seem to have this issue - at least my S1 did not.

(I haven't tested on the S3 with a non-stock app yet)

Btw my Exchange server is a patched Z-Push IMAP/SMTP<->Activesync converter from their trunk with Exchange2007 capabilities.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oyvindpe:
Yes, there HAS to be a bug in the exchange app on this phone.

I got my phone a month ago, and have had no issues with battery drain and high data usage with Exchange what so ever. Until this weekend.

All of a sudden,

with no change in the settings at all

, my battery all of a sudden just lasted 5-6 hours. It got really warm too. Then after a day or so, I got a message that my monthly limit of data was reached. I didn´t believe this at all since I had more than 500 MB left on my limit the day before.

But when I checked the settings, I was shocked to see that this was true indeed. And it was "exchange services" that caused this. It had downloaded about 600-700 MBs over this short period, thus (of course) causing my battery to drain quickly, and I will now get a nice bill from my phone company for over use of data :(

As I said. No changes to the settings were done. This happened over night. And of course this has to be a bug in the app, not a server-issue. No one else in my company, as far as I have heard, had had this issue (yet), but after googling I can see that this actually is a problem for many, with different phone brands.

It seems like google has got complains about this, but there has not been released a fix, which is totally unacceptable. I now have had to turn of my mail sync to prevent the data usage to go insane, and my phone to get warm, slow and quick battery drain.

If this isn´t fixed quickly, I will uninstall Exchange services from my phone (have root), and install Touchdown instead.

Here is the problem discussed:

productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/tCA92MdBTmc

- but with no solution.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oyvindpe:
Issue was resolved by deleting account and reinstalling it. But I had to do it twice before it worked.

I also cleand the Exchange Services App with the tool SD Maid before I reinstalled my account the second time.

My battery is back to normal, and no more crazy data usage.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Rikul:
I am on tiramislim with devil 3 and suddenly my hd videos does not play with mx player as the hw decoding does not work... help please

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Rikul:
and also youtube hd videos r not working