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[HTC One X] hamdir:
N.O.V.A 3 runs on the HTC One X (Tegra3) with Full Effects

The game seems to detect the resolution and run accordingly

The official One X ROM has a 3dots menu which actually forces games to run at a slightly lower than 1280x720p resolution, in this mode the game seems to get confused and run with full effects

The new 2.17.401.2 update has the option in display settings to show or hide the 3dot menu, which gives us a way to enable/disable these effects in N.O.V.A 3 on the fly (only works for v1.0.0 and v1.0.1)

Those running old ROMs with the 3dots menu removed or using this patch runs the game in full 720p and hence no effects

Restore the 3dots menu and the effects appear, this completely unrelated to the SD files you download

Another way to run this game in full effects regardless of the 3d menu is simply to install Chainfire drivers and leave all options default (they don't seem to change anything) - this trick seem to work for other devices too

Make sure to back up first before you try Chainfire since its risky grounds, it should work fine on ICS but not JB

Here is a video of this mode running on the One X

One X: 3-Dot Menu @ under 1280x70: Full Effects, Particles falling from sky, Lens flares, Post color correction - Has some graphical glitches

One X: 3-Dot Menu Removed, Chainfire drivers @ 1280x70: Full Effects, Particles falling from sky, Lens flares, Post color correction - Has some graphical glitches

One X: 3-Dot Menu Removed, no Chainfire drivers @ 1280x720: No Effects, No Particles falling from sky, No Lens flares, No Post - Proper Tegra3 mode, no glitches

iPad2 Mode: Full Effects, Lens flares, Post color correction, Lower Resolution, Lower Textures

iPad3 Mode: No Effects, No Post, No Lens flares, Higher Resolution, Higher Textures
[HTC One X] The-Last-Hylian:
Excellent Spot Hamdir!

Well done!
[HTC One X] hamdir:
i didnt get time to play with it im sure frame rate will hit the grounds

since unlike the iPad2 this is still running @ 90% full 720p
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Looking forward tegra3 gpu overclocking
[HTC One X] hamdir:
lol its already OCed by NV

533mhz is the maximum thermal limits :D

the game needs to offload ragdoll physics and particles to the quad core, like Shadowgun THD does

so it doesnt need OC, it needs quad core optimization from GL
[HTC One X] The-Last-Hylian:
Thanks for the info :)

Installing it now, gonna take awhile! :D

Then I'll see how it's running, if it's laggy I'll try the optimizing threads tips, interactive governor etc...

But as it's running at 90% full 720p hopefully it'll be better than it was before Hamdir found out about the 3-dots fix.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes keep in mind proper Tegra 3 version is the no effects modem, the full effects actually has some glitches

its runs in no effects mode on SGS3 and Asus Prime too

anyway it all shows how stupid this whole 3dot menu thing is! and can cause incompatibility issues with apps
[HTC One X] The-Last-Hylian:
Surely that's just because it's not fully optimized for the HOX and won't be requesting full resources?
[HTC One X] Thunder07:
can anyone test it with different dp and see if u can get full effect without the 3-dot menu??

sidenote:im getting some study done now and wont be able to test it for a while
[HTC One X] hamdir:
I just played the full effect mode

dramatically more impressive, ashes in the sky, heat haze from the gun shots, colored fog and smoke everywhere and the best of all post effect, volume lights and lens flare in the indoors scene, beside the entire thing looks very different due to the difference in color treatment

seriously you havent seen this game until you play it in full mode

shocking that GL gameloft dumped this much to run it on the iPad3, its owners will be shocked when they see the difference

the good news the frame rate is almost the exact same in both modes if not a little better, using the interactive governor tip and multitasking reduce tip, very playable but not "smooth" even though, its still 720p minus few pixels

which is not really news many of these effects like the post, transparencies and heat haze are pixel shader stuff, which the T3 GPU is good at and has 8 cores for! all those effect that crippled the iPad3 actually makes no difference on the One X

The frame rate is bad during combat which means its mostly blamed on AI, ragdoll physics and particles, all the stuff that actually are a best use for a quad CPU!

the bad news in this mode there are some poly clipping glitches, i have the glitches on MC3 but not in full screen mode of Nova3

finally using Tegrastates you can see this game is only running in dual cores only, never requesting the help of the quads

so the best way to run is actually the performance governor, which turns off 2 cores and lock the clocks @ 1.4ghz

all GL has to do is clear the bugs, enable quad core use for the CPU stuff, enable full effects and this will game will easily run smooth on the One X and all T3 devices

sigh its actually a good case study why T3 is still the best gaming SOC right now quad for logic and vertex / generous pixel shader cores for effects
[HTC One X] timlambo:
Thanks again for all the game info. You really do a lot towards this phone.

I have tried aopk 1.1 and the gaming is super bad. Tried everything, supercharger, dev options trick, interactive/performance and manually killed all tasks. Just played fruit ninja thd(my way for quick test) and as said its pretty bad. Think I'll just go back to sense for now, actually thought that smaller rom = better performance:confused:. Not always.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
same as you bro best to stick to official base its the most stable and t3 optimized (LP core usage in gallery for example)
[HTC One X] sohail2401:
help

I am not able to find the link to download N.O.V.A 3 game

Pls help.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
if someone can try this

i wasted enough time today :)
[HTC One X] timlambo:
Will definitely go back. Gonna try one last rom, which kept some sense parts. Hopefully it will be better. Will report back if its good or not. But I also got the feeling that the rom is badly optimised.

I ran some Antutu benchmarks:

On my Leedroid rom(With Supercharger @ 1000hp) I got:

CPU: 6120

GPU: 1468

RAM: 2081

I/O: 870

Total: 10536

On AOKP 1.1(With Supercharger @ 1000hp) I got:

CPU: 6461

GPU: 1369

RAM: 1839

I/O: 896

Total: 10565

As you can see the Ram and Gpu, possibly the most important(I think) is more on the sense rom. The cpu did score more on AOKP, but it's the GPU I want! I know benchmarks is not everything, but it is an indication, especially on the same rom.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
whats your total score on both?
[HTC One X] timlambo:
Just added totals to above post. It's a little higher on AOKP, but by just a little bit.
[HTC One X] forumhookersdotcom:
My benchmark in charmeleon
[HTC One X] timlambo:
Don't know whether there will be any difference, but can you try Antutu. Think it will be interesting to know.

How do you find gaming, with the Game guide? I primarily use my device for gaming and then some camera and apps.
[HTC One X] Thunder07:
i tested different dp with no difference at all
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Hi can anyone check out the following?

Is the fps the same or the less effect one gets a higher fps?

I found sometime the game is smooth some time the game is lagged at the same sense......pretty weird.......
[HTC One X] forumhookersdotcom:
Send me the fully working link of nova 3 please
[HTC One X] hello00:
warez is not tolerated here
[HTC One X] forumhookersdotcom:
Just pm me guys. As it is not available for our hox.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
actually a little smoother in the full version

yes you performance varies becoz first the game isnt using more than two cores and second your not emptying the memory like suggested

interactive governor + supercharger 1000hp + deb options gives the best u can get out of it
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Just ask questions...I know interactive governor....but what was the supercharger and dep options...can u explain a bit thx
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
After seeing all ur post....I really wanna thank u about point out the key fact is the three dot menu....

So here is my conclusion....any device go over 720p running in ipad3 mode....

Between 720p and 1024*768 running on the mode that has the smoke and flames comming out of the building.....

And the very last...the device runs at wvga and has a dual core CPU running the version with the full effect (including depth of field and motion blur)

Knowing of these I think we can change the resolution to turn the effect on and off......maybe we can modify the game and make all the effect works at any resolution.....:):eek::eek:
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Spoken to fruit ninja thd....any one who can run it in a full screen resolution? I download it and the resolution is pretty low....
[HTC One X] The-Last-Hylian:
I'm sorry, does this have anything to do with N.o.v.a 3?

@Hamdir, I'm having a pretty good run with this so far, not too much lag, I'll have a fiddle with the govenor later and report back.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
here is everything explained http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1664391

as for fruit ninja its actually made since T2 days which was WVGA

and finally about resolutions yes...if someone can modify the game im sure it can be fixed but not me im already over my head with projects

OH one more thing, to control 3d games and try to squeeze more speed out of them and fix glitches like in Nova3 full mode, we can try chainfire

ill experiment with it today and let you know
[HTC One X] sadegh1993:
hello

how about iphone 4s ? (in full effects and resolution and texture resolution aspects)

thank you

excuse me if my question is irrelevant
[HTC One X] The-Last-Hylian:
I'm not too sure if the ip4s can hack all that? Or am I wrong?

---Edit---

Ignore me... iphone 4s version is the same as iPad 2
[HTC One X] hamdir:
ipad2 = iphone4s same

they simply run on their native res with full effects, same as the HOX with the 3d dot menu

only difference is the depth of field and motion blur effects which we lack on the HOX full version

you have to understand the full version mode isnt even supposed to run on the HOX its just the game being confused this is why we get glitches with shadows, certain polygon edges and the motion blur effect during runing is actually black screen :D

will try chainfire today
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Just ask...if no answer back ..I don't care
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Hamdir....I use chainfire but after I install the driver; the HTC gallery just display black and white....any of you guys has the same problem?
[HTC One X] The-Last-Hylian:
I wasn't being sarcastic, I'm sorry if it seemed that way, I was just wondering if there maybe some similarities in the way the games might've been processed or something silly like that, hence why you was asking. :)
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
No worries mate....I purchased fruit ninja thd for my T Prime, and the it is perfect :D, but when I play it on HOX, the resolution is not right...I think...maybe some thing to do with the 3-dot points....and after I removed the dots, nothing improved...so just ask :rolleyes:
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Speaking about the resolution....I think actually MC3 and n.o.v.a 3 work in the same way....check out Ipad2 and iPad3, pretty interesting

Surely HTC missed some of the effect on MC3 as well....GL
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes like i said with full effects its pretty playable but "smooth" no bad lagging easier

its perfectly enjoyable but we need to fix the glitches since this is not proper T3 mode haha just the game got confused

this and fruit ninja we have a pretty clear idea the 3dot menu solution by HTC is a pure mess but this time it worked for out benefit

everyone with other devices are PMing how to enable full mode on their device haha

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interesting ill check now and report
[HTC One X] ryanjsoo:
tried with chainfire noticed that with hide chainfire 3d checked the game runs without effects.... odd. using different plugins did not change the graphics but maybe others will have differing observations. would like to get the blur effect when turining quickly. have you guys had any luck running this game with msaa in chainfire, it would give full effects and higher res textures with no jagged line! also it can improve performance kinda like unroll textures, i dunno, can`t get it to run here...
[HTC One X] hamdir:
Ok so i tried MC3 with and without the 3dot menu, its the TPrime version since the One X apk never worked for me

exact same in both modes, it has the motion blur effect but not the depth of the field during scope zoom, runs at 60fps most of the time

in both modes we have the polygon clipping glitches we find in Nova3 full mode

time to test chainfire for you guys :)
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Thx for reporting back....just ask one thing...when I rush in MC3 it do not have any motion blur effect...by using T PRIME version....can you make some screen shoots of the MC3.....thx a loooooot:D:D:D:D:D
[HTC One X] hamdir:
can you try with the 3dot menu removed can we enable full effects mode :)

im using chainfire pro 3.3 and installed the drivers, the HTC gallery seems fine, and the game works normally without any mending in chainfire, ill start experimenting now

but one thing to note with the driver installed seems the GPU is running full speed all the time :) since the device is now locked warm (not hot) even on the launcher

i really think its a great tool for Gameloft games on the HOX since of the many options and game profiles :D wish he included clocks and governor

(usually the other way around people used chainfire to run THD games now we need chainfire to optimize GL games and do their job)

by the way the MSAA and depth options only appears per app on pro if you install the beta driver, so uninstall the driver and reinstall beta, it says MSAA not supported on this GPU but you get the depth options

also setting the minfrees to the max will auto kill the launcher during gameplay in nova3 so i think we dont need the dev options method

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haha i think we figured out how to lock the GPU @ its max 533mhz :D

just by installing chainfire driver and leaving all settings default

i think we are actually locking the GPU, the device gets locked at a certain temp, i just tired ripetide with interactive governor, the frame rate seems a lot more stable now

:D ill try to confirm this

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i have the 3dot menu, for now different plugins make no difference in Nova3 as well as hide chainfire, it does nothing not even disable the effects unlike what ryanjsoo reported
[HTC One X] Arthas92:
so is there a way to low down GPU clock without uninstall chainfire?

if it allway clock at highest may give low battery
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes most likely battery consumer, no you cant control this, its there as long as chainfire is running, but no risk this is its just a bit raise in temp so heating worries

with chainfire installed and 3dot menu, all the options on chainfire driver and experimental drivers are making no difference what so ever

only differences like i said the wamrness of the devices and i rebooted with stock reduce texture quality option selected so the entire sense launcher reduce in quality

trying without the 3d menu

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so now we have a new way to run the game in full mode :D

just install chainfire drivers regardless of the 3dot menu :D

yup confirmed just install chainfire drivers and the game will run in full effects ;)
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Chainfire did work!!!!!!! Much more smoothly than before

Trying supercharge:D
[HTC One X] hamdir:
do you mean supercharger? and what chainfire settings did u you use?
[HTC One X] Arthas92:
Full effects on N.O.V.A 3 and other game?

that is great new
[HTC One X] hamdir:
what other games should i try?

screenshot of NOVA full screen

sadly all the options of chainfire are doing nothing for NOVA3 i kinda hoped to improve frame rates even more
[HTC One X] Arthas92:
lol i just mean if they exist :D:D:D:D

so after all, can we run N.O.V.A 3 smoothly with full effect?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
lol the trick is working for everyone now :D

yes full effects or not, no difference on the frame rate, maybe a little smoother with full mode too! lol screw GL

having the chainfire drivers installed seems to make no difference on THD games :)
[HTC One X] Sramie:
your device is not compatibile with this game (lol)
[HTC One X] Arthas92:
you need hack ver
[HTC One X] Thunder07:
i'm just after installing chainfire....

and there is a really annoying problem,

have u tried running yet, the screen either freeze until u stop running or it goes black
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes one of the glitches of full screen mode unrelated to chainfire, not freeze just black stop running and it goes away

dont run lol :D
[HTC One X] Thunder07:
i sometimes get a freeze.....

but the game doesnt freeze, you can think of it as a lag

nothing changes on the screen until u stop running
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Yes supercharger....I enabled 'Unroll the

Texture' in chainfire the others remain the same, and lock the CPU at maximum clock (not charging) and the fps go higher as I can feel it....

And btw when I am playing MC3, using your apk...I found out that the game runs on the same effect as Desire hd:(....no hdr sky...no motion blur...no lighting... any suggestion ?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
well maybe buy it from gameloft? regarding MC3

as for nova dont unroll texture it will slow it down lol if anything you can try lower quality texture and or lower resolution texture but they dont work

if you lock the minimum CPU to 1.5ghz it will run in single core mode

lock it to 1.2ghz to still get other cores

i really dont know how MC3 looks otherwise
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Thanks for telling me......I try to lock the CPU to 1.2ghz
[HTC One X] hamdir:
its all explained in my gaming guide :)
[HTC One X] hamdir:
I just had a great time playing on the hox, definitely high temps reduces frame rates since im in cold room with the AC on

anyway tomorrow ill update my gaming guide I reached few conclusions

nova 3 can actually use 3 cores with on-demand governor

so here the very best settings for gaming

- best not to go with chainfire n use 3 dot menu instead

- supercharger or system tuner in most agressive minfrees

- Dont touch the developer options, I concluded this method is causing issues of its own including lag and heat from constant sense reloading, as well as extra battery drain

- turn off auto sync in accounts

- keep on-demand governor, it's the governor that uses quad the most, interactive governor sometimes get stuck in dual core

- instead raise the minimum clock to 1.2ghz don't go higher or some cores will be turned off

- kill all tasks

- run game

nova3 is quiet enjoyable, ripetide ran faster and sonic is actually quiet faster too

really this the best way to stabilize frame rates since ondemand works well for all game and uses the quad more often and we r disallowing it to dip down by raising the min clocks, 1.2ghz being thmax of quad mode

the only issue of course would be heat but this depends on your ambience and varies between games, for example mass effect almost burns it while sonic n nova are quiet ok

anyway as usual milage will vary, but people saying the have no frame rate issues must be in a cool enviroment
[HTC One X] timlambo:
Again thank you. Glad to have you here putting in so much effort towards the guide. Things are developing nicely in the gaming and not to long we will have the best possible settings for games, then someone should only put that in an app an off we go.

Won't putting the min core to 1.2ghz heat the device real quickly? Is there a way to enable that 3dot menu? I'm on a rom which don't have that option, it's just turned off by default
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
So we better uninstall the chainfire? I thought it can lock my gpu to 533mhz, a little bit confused :confused::confused:
[HTC One X] hamdir:
there is really no way to confirm if chainfire really locks the gpu it was just an assumption on my part, I adviced not to use since its an old app now and the NV drivers are newer but if you have a ROM without the 3dot menu or want to play nova in full screen here is no other option right now

so yea use chainfire only if u need it

as for the min 1.2ghz it all depends on the app if its CPU heavy we get extra heat, also if you are in warm environment

for example mass effect needs a UC since it gets so hot on this game also shadowgun but sonic and nova don't really heat up much since they don't use the quads enough

u can always set ur min to 1.0ghz or lock both min and max to 1.2ghz

you will have to find the best for ur use I guess

sorry guys all I'm doing here us sharing my observations but really its all up to ur usage and ofcourse this a problem HTC n NV should address
[HTC One X] himmatsj:
Can anyone think of any way to get the full game with max graphics running on my Acer A510 Tegra 3?

Will be very appreciative. I am unrooted btw. TQ!
[HTC One X] ryanjsoo:
can we get full effects on mc3 because i can`t and all the vids on youtube are using low graphics too. with the chainfire drivers installed is the battery life much worse, if it is then it probably is affecting the gpu throttling if not then its placebo. also i read in the megathread that someone overclocked their gpu to 600mhz and scored 80fps in the glbench 720p egypt test! normal scores are around 65fps at the most. this means that the gpu can`t be clocked at 533mhz or the throttling is very conservative.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes its already been said simply install chainfire drivers! u need to be rooted

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the battery is still not a good sign of GPU throttling, anyway i played some THD and actually noticed worse frame rates in THD games this is why i conlcuded chainfire especially since it hasnt been updated in ages is no way better than the latest stock drivers

in the megathread never seen this! how to OC the GPU? :eek:

i have the TPrime version of MC3 since the One X apk gave me me boot loop, i tried everything and MC3 never runs at full effects
[HTC One X] ryanjsoo:
thanks for your quick response, he doesn`t actually say how to do it but maybe a sign of good things to come, actually the tegra 3 may not be at its thermal limit because the heat is generated by the cpu which is adequate for any gaming and can be underclocked whilst maintaining great performance. The gpu however is still discovering its true potential. the new tegra 3 + is probably using the same 40nm architecture but is clock at 1.7ghz with a 25

% gpu boost(probably clocked at 600mhz or similar). it kind of like comparing the one x tegra 3 to the transformer prime tegra 3 chip, the one x chip has higher quality silicon yet the old transformer prime has kernels overclocking to 1.8ghz with some users reporting stable. anyways here is the link if you want more info:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=24951364&highlight=600mhz#post24951364
[HTC One X] hamdir:
oh this is shaky lol cant believe i missed this post!

ill give him a pm

im with you 100% if we can decouple the GPU from the CPU it would be awesome

we dont need more than 1.2ghz for the CPU
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Yes mate, 600mhz that's what I am talking about.

Hamdir you are professional so is there any possible way to locked the HOX gpu at 600mhz ?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
ill discuss this with shaky he is a kernel dev and researcher but doesnt have a HOX

maybe he can write a guide for our kernel devs

i will also test this ROM with linaro integrated and see if it has effect on gaming performance http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1692415
[HTC One X] k2mno5:
Thx man, you ve done a lot:D how I wish I can help....