yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC One X] suhiiii:
changelog is up :D ho ho ho w8ing upload to finish :D tnx to the whole team :) you are the best
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Midnight GMT looks like the earliest we're going to see the Final 1 as OP states 01/02/2013

The changelog sounds pretty amazing!

Great job team Renovate!
[HTC One X] mwilky:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE 13.2.1/Unofficial 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Them

Yup it will probably be just after midnight
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE 13.2.1/Unofficial 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Them

Ready and waiting.
[HTC One X] DeeZZ_NuuZZ:
which things makes the new 3.17 kernel better?`also better battery life? ok now my hox get every time better standby battery life and normal battery life but i don't know why it take in stándby while doing nothing so much battery -.-
[HTC One X] vonschau:
Download not up?

All three mirrors don't work for me. Cant't wait for the download:crying:

now downloading big thanks
[HTC One X] mwilky:
ROM updated to final 1!

Link and changelog in OP

Now let me sleep :p
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Downloading now can't wait to try this!
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Android file host works fine. Other two failed though.
[HTC One X] mwilky:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Yep they won't be up till tomorrow :p
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Have a good night sleep mate. Speak tomorrow
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Yippee! Time to wipe and flash :D
[HTC One X] faisaldante:
i just downloaded it will install in d morning i wanna go back to this awesome rom i miss it a lot
[HTC One X] steve1996:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Haha, nice timing to wake up lol, downloading right now
[HTC One X] Zafatron:
Installed - so tired but so excited lol. Congratulations on reaching Final guys, it's been so awesome!
[HTC One X] Drefsab:
Well installed smoothly loving the new installer everything seams good just downloading all my apps again by 3g so its taking it time but almost done.
[HTC One X] paulh1978:
Just flashed looking good so far. Only thing is the notification bar isnt transparent. Other than that loving the look and feel.
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

This thing is on fire! Absolutely blazingly fast!

Just waiting for NOVA 3 to download before I can comment on gaming.

Team Renovate you totally rock! :thumbup: :cool:
[HTC One X] dan.kels.r:
Ive been on aosp for a while, but now I'm coming back to grab some of this awesomesauce. But if you arent using the sense launcher, the status bar will not be transparent. Like with apex or nova, there will be no transparency. AFAIK anyway
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
I'm using Sense and I can confirm the status bar is NOT transparent.

But what the hell its a little tiny bit of apple sauce compared to the whole hog thats been crammed into this beast!

If the status bar bothers you that much, I do believe your just picking faults!
[HTC One X] paulh1978:
Hi thanks for reply but I didn't de-sense the Rom as I love it but still no transparency notification.

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No definitely not picking faults as I said in the original post was loving the look and feel of the Rom.
[HTC One X] Tiazi:
Phone boots up with airplane mode. Cannot turn airplane mode off.. :(

Cannot make calls or get wifi or internet.
[HTC One X] Drefsab:
try flashing trips v9 repacked kernel then the modules.
[HTC One X] cutt88:
Did you flashed boot.img?
[HTC One X] vonschau:
OTA update

ROM works fine and I donated allready.

It comes with the message OTA update is available which I think is not true:good:

Missing apps like shares, Polaris office can be installed how? Using the old bloat apps file?:confused:
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Did you full wipe? I'm not getting an OTA notification!

AFAIK the old bloat should work
[HTC One X] nashshafrulrezza:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Did you guys read changelog? It the features in this rom.. status bar solid all the time..
[HTC One X] amirage:
has anyone flashed the latest Trip's kernel on the new ROM? can we please have the repacked img? Trip has gone all technical with the repacking and I don't think doing via the online website would be the right way...
[HTC One X] shree.cse:
TripNDroid SENSE 010 repacked

If any one wants to try latest TripNDroid SENSE 010, here's the repacked version for Final1 attached to the post. Modules here
[HTC One X] amirage:
have u used the new kernel? How is it??

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A general note: The red theme looks really psychedelic...grrooooovvyy!!!

Dang...I thought there will be scrollable wallapers in this release...shoooot...
[HTC One X] Aniquibobo:
+1

(full wipe done + flashed boot.img)

/Ani
[HTC One X] shree.cse:
Not yet! Just flashed the Final version and first I have to check the battery life on stock, later I will try.

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Flashed the rom with a full wipe, no problems at all, UI is ultra smooth. Just a small question anyway to reorder the quick settings? And I found one small bug, may be not a bug. In the landscape mode, there's some missing theming on the Nav bar, excatly the border blue line was almost invisible. One more, the status bar is always black.
[HTC One X] TechXero:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Quick settings can only be reordered by devs via xml file... At least from what I see...

Mirror link sent to Mwilky :P
[HTC One X] alfhie:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

I could choose two themes at once in aroma installer, red and blue..but in personalize there's no blue themes..just red.(should be ok i think)

And how i disable landscape mode when phone in lockscreen?

Btw this rom is so awesome..love the red themes..speed..and pretty solid rom..thx dev

And Thx in advance.

Sent from my HTC One X
[HTC One X] tianyuhua:
RENOVATE Final 1 of gps ,positioning speed needs to be improved.
[HTC One X] doom_71:
What is your location? GPS is tweaked for Europe/England. Maybe use faster gps or something like that.
[HTC One X] nashshafrulrezza:
It the feature of the ROM.. see changelog.. -statusbar always solid-

BTW.. That a big changelog mwilky.. and the most thing I'm excited about is sound mod.. it really special tuned in this ROM.. kudos renovated team!
[HTC One X] dragonesdenano:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

1+:thumbup:

Always delivering great and amazing rom RENOVATE rulz:)

SKYDRAGON Lead Guitar
[HTC One X] tianyuhua:
my location in China,
[HTC One X] cutt88:
Chose both blue and red themes in Aroma but got only red. Is it intended?

Also, rearrange apps in draw board still not working.
[HTC One X] mwilky:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

How you supposed to have two themes at once lol? Yeah it's still not working, blame htc
[HTC One X] Drefsab:
two theme's at once?! twice the awesome what could possibly go wrong.
[HTC One X] thedan55:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Mwilky I've got to say, the unofficial 1 was so awesome for me I didn't want to upgrade, but I've just upgraded and it's is beautiful!!!

I do have some questions, as we can't rearrange the quick toggles is there a way to remove them so I can use a separate app?

Also is there a way to remap the menu button to the back button and the back button to the menu button? Call me crazy but I think the back button should be closer to your thumb when holding the device with one hand.

Thanks for an awesome rom. Sincerely
[HTC One X] cutt88:
Dunno, I thought I will be able to choose red or blue in personalization later on :cyclops:

Anyway, big thanks for your amazing work, we could not thank you enough :victory:
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
First of all, big thanks for this great ROM! It's completely awesome! ;)

But one questions, in changelog it says, we get a CRT down animation, but I miss it ?? Could not find an option to acivate it!
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

1. Why don't you want the toggles?

2. No, there is no way to remap the soft buttons.

Its only when you restart or shut down your device.

It's not effective on screen-off.

Spun out from a JELLIED and RENOVATED One X.
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
aaahh.. okay, thanks geko! :)
[HTC One X] jonas2295:
AW: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

@all who gave me some feedback on the signature banner :

Thank you :) I am not a legend (..yet lol) :P

Expect another graphic by today or next few days, it will be bigger than the signature :P
[HTC One X] sudhank:
[ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Should I charge to 100 and then flash the rom or flash the rom now? Charge is 40 now.
[HTC One X] TechXero:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

I like few others use power toggles at least we can configure them as we please not being forced by whatever layout chosen by devs...

If am forced to use something way it is with no possibility to modify I get pissed... Me no like that... So hope it is possible to disable those toggles n use a separate app where I have full control...

Sorry don't mean to nothing bad, I just love my freedom xD
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Flash at 40, you'll be fine.

Well then you're gonna have to ask wilky very very nicely to make a mod that disables them.

Spun out from a JELLIED and RENOVATED One X.
[HTC One X] ExoticMe:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Sadly i found a bug if i turn of screen rotation and i am on the lockscreen it rotates even when its of...

Very annoying.. Can anyone confirm
[HTC One X] Phantom_11:
absolutely awesome work!!

I think he means can we have both red, blue and htc stock themes in the "personalize" option at the same time? so we may switch between them. Currently, the only option to change theme is to reflash the rom ASAFIK.

I meet a weird problem: when click the "Phone", there is much lag. And then I scroll the "Contacts" list, again much lag. I know this may happen the first time you press "Phone", but it happened almost every time you switch from another app. (I mean if you press "Phone", then back to home screen, and then back to "Phone" again, this problems doesn't happen) And I checked, it's only with the HTC stock theme, not if you choose Renovate theme. Could you fix it please? (And by comparison, it seems that in general, the HTC stock theme is not as fluent as customized theme)
[HTC One X] gacon1000:
How can I turn off auto rotate in lockscreen?
[HTC One X] TechXero:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Sure is annoying...

@Mwilky

Hey sir,

Awesome release, just a few tiny requests, can you implement a way to disable Lock screen rotation and an option in installer to not install lyaopta toggles?

Pretty please?

Thanks for listening bro.
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
now waiting for Zero's conversion kit! :D

everything fine! Just ran Antutu Benchmark and I was like "WTF?" Never saw OpenGL so smooth!!

EDIT: First, I'm using this one!

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37154061&postcount=586
[HTC One X] Sckank:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Mwilky awesome work!!!! :D But one request for you, guess its asking to much but here we go: theming on the sms/mms app in the same style as the rest, can you do it? That would be epic :thumbup: :D
[HTC One X] Goku80:
sound is amazing on this build....well done Zero mate...build is fast really really fast...volume skipping tracks button does not work on spotify though:( damn but hey not a big issue.....apart from that great rom and very fast thank you guys....
[HTC One X] galaxys2Tav:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Been running final 1 for about half an hour and I must say..... Fantastic job guys.

I will say tho red theme isn't for me but I do like it just gunna have to stick to my guns with renovate blue ;)

Sent From My JB Renovated HOX
[HTC One X] tianyuhua:
I want to recorder:(
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Right now i am happy...Really freaking happy....

For those who use spotify and want to use the volume button to skip tracks you will notice it does not work out of the box....if you only use Spotify or any other similar service or player simple thing to do is go into TB and uninstall the stock music player and widget...come out and then voila it works..Simple as that...Awesome rom and now i am happy:D
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
All you have done is moan.

Download a recorder from play store and use it.
[HTC One X] galaxys2Tav:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Trololololol

Sent From My JB Renovated HOX
[HTC One X] Goku80:
what? that is my happy face:D
[HTC One X] sudhank:
i like the eqs settings without using a third party app, these toggles are what i would need.

thanks RENOVATE Team.
[HTC One X] Sebby:
nice work you renovate guys

keep it up:good::cool:
[HTC One X] sudhank:
whenever i reboot my phone , the OTA updater says update available which is final 1 even though i'm in final 1.
[HTC One X] mwilky:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Will have a look at the stock issues, it is a problem it was reported during testing I just thought I'd fixed it.

Also the requests for all the mods, if someone wants to get a list together, next week I'm off all week so I'll get an aroma together with loads of stuff in
[HTC One X] Goku80:
i want a mod were my phone can transform to Megan Fox:p:D

but two mods that you can add are these:

make wallpaper scroll when you are scrolling through homescreens.

do not know if this already in your rom mate but make sms screen on....what i mean is to be able to receive picture messages while there is no data on..
[HTC One X] ilamaan:
Any screenies of the new theme and lockscreen ? Awesome changelog. It would be great if screenshots were uploaded with the huge visual changes of the final 1.
[HTC One X] M@c|-|oR:
Great job guys! :good:

I flashed Final 1 this morning, and still am collecting impressions. But, in first 30 minutes, it looks amazing. Speed, smoothness, accuracy... Everything. I doubt I will flash anything else soon (unless you make me do that with something new :) ).

Did I miss something in previous 10.000+ posts that says something about missing Google apps.

I had to install Gmail and Maps manually. Was it meant this way, or what?

And, I also got OTA update info upon restart, but I don't mind it at all ;).

Next thing I'm gonna be testing is - of course - battery life :cool:

EDIT: Oh, yes, almost forgot it - is it possible to set 6*5 matrix in app drawer? All I need is Suite Tools to do that?
[HTC One X] paulh1978:
My bad I've just seen about solid notification bar,shouldn't have really flashed without reading change log but was too impatient and tired. Should have waited till morning.

Loving the Rom wilky was well worth the wait.
[HTC One X] galaxys2Tav:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

I have these 2 bud :)

Sent From My JB Renovated HOX
[HTC One X] Phantom_11:
stock issue? do you mean the "Phone" app lag problem? Hope so. I think the stock theme needs some optimization, currently there might be some incompatibility.

I read most responses since the Final 1. I try to make a summary here:

wrong notification about OTA update

some may prefer a transparent status bar for the customized theme.

freely switch btween different themes (red, blue and HTC stock)

allow to trun off the toggles or even rearrange it

allow to turn off the lockscreen rotation

non-fluency with the stock theme (reported by me:silly:)

GPS positioning outside Europe. (case report from China)

Again, thanks mate.
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
using new version since today morning.. battery life seems great, anyone tested FINAL 1 with the new Kernel from Trip v010 ???

With repack or without ?
[HTC One X] ExoticMe:
mwilky

if your free for mods there is a mod called DNA widgets i think its gr8 hope you take a look

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2100491
[HTC One X] TechXero:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Yep, that pretty much sums it up...
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed
[HTC One X] refedit:
looks great!

think this weekend I'll switch to FINAL 1 to test it :good:
[HTC One X] SickL1408:
What a beauty! After being on a certain ROM for a long time, I was very much tempted by the changelog and gave it a go. My first impressions just astonished me tbh. Buttery smooth, a pure pleasure, never knew my beloved HOX could be this silky. And the battery life seems good as well although havent tested it that much. And the sound quality, oh God! Being a music lover, this seemed to be the strongest point for making the move to this rom.

I think I am settling here ;) Fantastic job. A big thanks to everyone who were behind this beautiful rom :D
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

FINAL 1 is amazing, of course its not to everyones exact taste but thats what I love about Android, you can really make it yours, just takes a nice, solid and fast ROM like this one and its like your handset has found a fresh burst of youthfulness! This with a little research can go a long way, gives me something to do and amuses the real devs around here :p

Once again team Renovate I thank-you.

Sent from my Renovated H3G One X.
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Trust me. This by far Zero's best work.
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
RenovateROM Final 1 mirror!

Here you go guys!

RenovateROM Final 1 mirror (Dev-Host)

Have fun, and hit Thanks! :D :D

Hope you're all enjoying the ROM.
[HTC One X] timmygadget:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Tried all your mirrors and the downloads are crawling or stopping completely, anyone got a torrent?
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Look at the keyboard
[HTC One X] SickL1408:
Pardon my ignorance but what keyboard is that? Looks good.
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
looks like SwiftKey :)
[HTC One X] Goku80:
swiftkey3 and choose berry theme from the keyboard settings.:D
[HTC One X] tonypello:
R: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

SwiftKey

Inviato dal mio HTC One X con Tapatalk 2
[HTC One X] cutt88:
Toggles are awesome, Mwilki, don't listen to anyone. Thank's god I don't have to install that laggy Power Toggles which flicker everytime you use it when there is a notification.

Plus less RAM ussage.
[HTC One X] Reload147:
Just installed final 1 with blue theme. I think renovate is the future :D

Also I was thinking about going for AOKP but I also like sense. And after this theme it is in the middle. So, I am really happy :D
[HTC One X] shtipu1111:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

same here..i am on red now.how do i get the blue? lockscreen landscape disable option needed for me as well.
[HTC One X] SickL1408:
oopsie. Thanks for pointing out, didnt notice the icon in the corner.
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
I downloaded here within 15 mins from my Dev-Host link.

Something tells me you need faster internet lol

Reflash the ROM with blue theme selected. :)
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
I really love the blue theme.. But only thing I would change is, the blue icons in status bar like battery and signal.. I like that on stock look, but I don't want to miss the cool features coming with the Renovate theme.. is it possible to have it combined ?
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
Why don't you just choose the stock look then?

It's gonna look rather weird if we combine green battery with white network icons, while the rest is blue. Don't ya think?
[HTC One X] Phantom_11:
There is a app called "ROM Toolbox Pro" in play store, it allows you to choose status bar icons. Also, there is a website that can help you work your own theme, http://uot.dakra.lt/ (XDA thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=990829). I didn't use this on HOX, but you may give a try.
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
Thanks, will test it.

And geko: no, I don't think so. ;)
[HTC One X] uggies:
Hi,

I love everything about this ROM but one thing... Is there anyway to apply 13.2.1 blue theme instead of this final one?

I personally prefer 13.2.1 version...

Thanks in advance :)
[HTC One X] shtipu1111:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Reflash the ROM with blue theme selected. :)[/QUOTE]

nooooo i want the red as well..will be switching blue & red whnever i feel :(
[HTC One X] MacSeoin:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Is this repack OK? I mean, doesn't Trip remove/add certain things to his kernels, sure I saw Geks asking him about this in his thread :confused:

Edit: might of been Goku lol I get confused between those 2 :p
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
Don't know.. I just tested the new kernel and everything worked, without repacking!

But there are still audio issues in call. so I reverted to stock Renovate again, because I get a lot of calls..
[HTC One X] ilamaan:
May i know what is the CRT down animation is what exactly?
[HTC One X] Tiazi:
OK! Everthing working fine now. Thanks for the fine gentleman earlier who pointed me out to flash boot.img... :highfive:

The rom is amazing just a few points I love:

- the wallpaper and design of the lockscreen!

- smooooooothness

- the music is amazing. It is much better than than my pc now.. :o

- the toggles are definitely working for me :)

thanks renovate team!
[HTC One X] young_fresh:
When you shutdown your smartphone ;)

I would love an CRT animation when hitting the button or icon in notifications.
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

Not me friend.
[HTC One X] mwilky:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

It's impossible, there's around 15 themed apks, you can't just switch them when you like that's why you have to reflash and choose which one you want.

Takes 3 minutes at most
[HTC One X] theDroidfanatic:
WOW.

Sweet Mother of Huge Changelogs :eek:

Amazing Work Wilky :thumbup:
[HTC One X] CamoGeko:
Re: [ROM] RENOVATE Final 1 | JellyBean | .31 | Sense 4+ | Stock look/Themed

It's not possible due to sense framework.

Many have already tried.

Spun out from a JELLIED and RENOVATED One X.
[HTC One X] jonas2295:
Last part of my work for Final 1

Refreshed OP-banner for Team Renovate

[click the picture to see full size]

As always feedback is highly welcomed and a thanks button pressed means a lot to me :o​

@mwilky you might want to add it to the OP when you are back at home :)
[HTC One X] cutt88:
OMG, mwilky add this please! That's awesome!
[HTC One X] jonas2295:
Final thing: an inverted signature for you guys who use the red theme ;)

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Enjoy and have a nice weekend !:D

I am glad about every feedback from you guys and every "thanks" button pressed means a lot to me .
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[HTC One X] Xphoid:
luved it, but can not we users use it also? :D