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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OJ77:
I'm having the exact same problem. Tried everything from pure stripped down ICS ROMS to heavily customized ones and the scrolling sucks as compared to GB. It's a shame the UI experience is worse on ICS when it is the biggest factor in user experience. The SGS2 has very powerful hardware (even by today's standards) and shouldn't stutter while simply scrolling between homescreens or app menus. It really just ruins the experience for me.

Any new on the next android update? I hope they're not stopping at 4.0.4 cus there's a lot more to be done.

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It has nothing to do with samsung. It's ICS itself. Using custom non-samsung ICS roms (even pure google ICS experience ones) stutters just as much.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pfeffernuss:
Samsung-based ICS Roms are buttery smooth. All AOxP Roms are not.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kitecarl:
Check out the aosp kernel Fluxxi, which has a setting in its xx tweaks application to mimic scrolling to the old GB way. Problem solved
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DanDroidian:
I'm on LPG with SpeedMod...
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stocovick:
I tried wanam LPG with both siyha and cf-root and they stuttered the same....maybe i'll try with speedmod.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stocovick:
Has anyone tried this???
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] legsim:
I tried, and yes, it is way better !
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gaeilge:
I'm using XX series of ROMs and with exception of the first one (LPQ) scrolling is perfect, especially on XXLPW. I read somewhere on this forum that Samsung implemented different scrolling engine on ICS ROMs so actually we shouldn't much compare these two stock ROMs families. ICS was supposed to behave a little different from the beginning. Anyway, I've noticed the differences in scrolling mechanism on ICS but cannot say single bad word about its fluency nor speed.

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kitecarl:
Glad you liked! Funny thing is I never even used GB on my S2. Brought my used one home from the shop in early Jan, flashed an early version of CM9 and never looked back :-) Now I'm a devout Slim ICS user. Highly recommended.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galmok:
I have only used official samsung roms and ICS stutters a lot. Use GB and ICS next to each other and you can't help thinking ICS is a step back when it comes to scrolling.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bam88:
My TouchWiz keeps having to redraw itself after exiting from big apps, such as Browser and Facebook. Also, I find that the browser have to reload opened tabs very frequently; sometimes just existing the browser momentarily to reply a facebook message leads to a tab refresh.

Are these signs of insufficient ram or are these problems software related? Any experts care to shed some light on this issue?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aquariuzism:
Mate same here. I have also lock ups with some apps like messaging and browser as well. Tsk!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SlimJ87D:
Go into settings, accessibility and use the process manager. Use it and see if you still have the problem. Chances are that it maybe ram or software.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tadas_max:
One x had that problem too, it has been fixed with latest ota update. Maybe samsung has this problem too
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nativestranger:
More than enough for GB not nearly enough for ICS. 2GB will be just right for an ICS phone with a custom skin. 1GB for the OS itself 512mb for TW and all the background services/ cached apps and 512mb for the user to run his desired apps.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ECrispy:
There is a simple rule in computing - more memory (more resources of any kind) never hurt. Yes, people can quote all the articles they want about mobile OS's not needing that much ram, but -

- Android is not nearly as optimized as WP7/iOS

- Android likes to keep more apps open, it was designed to multitask

- over the next 2 years, memory demands will increase. Every version of Android uses more ram

Trust me, you won't see any high end Android phones with less than 1.5GB ram very soon.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rakeshchn:
I even think Samsung will release 2 Gb ram version of international GS3 in the next six months. They should have done it at the first place and that would have made the phone more future proof.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] americasteam:
You speak the truth.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lodespawn:
I think they like selling more phones more regularly
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
How would they make money from mobile sales if you didn't "need" to buy their new phone in 6 months?

EVERY phone company would be thinking about their next model months before the latest phone has even hit the shelves.

They give you what you need not what you will need
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AMoosa:
They should develop 'virtual memory' like in windows and make use of the 16gb,
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gusta_HR:
I saw that on my friend One x... I couldnt beleive my eyes .. Top model device redraws launcher when exiting browser... Same problems like on old Desire...

sent from the other side of my galaxy :-)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hotobu:
I'm calling it now. Samsung will release the Galaxy S3D(eluxe) with 64GB of storage and 2GB of RAM.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bam88:
Same thing is happening to Galaxy S III as well! :( Not a dealbreaker, but still bothers me a bit. The thing is, I don't remember this happening to my Galaxy S II.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tectas:
To all of you, open build.prop with a root explorer and change

dalvik.vm.heapsize=256m

to

dalvik.vm.heapsize=128m

and all should be good.

Don't forget to reboot afterwards, otherwise the setting won't be applied.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tobanezam:
my S2 hang when open game that use feint.. i think i doesn't support so many app to be open frequently.. or maybe i used gb4.03 and used so many flash app
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrdeepakbajaj:
Guys I'm facing the same problem. When I received my new phone, it was working beautifully. During the next 2-3 days, I tired using all the features and apps like drop box, ChatOn, S Voice, Voice cmds and all other frills. Then I downloaded few apps like Ultra Keyboard, SwiftKeyboard Trial, Ex Dialer, Dolphin Browser HD. Done some heavy surfing, downloaded mails and stuff like that and my phone started to lag heavily. TouchWiz started to redraw every time. Then I had a look at the available RAM. First of all it was only 780 out of 1GB and then free was only 23 MB. Then I looked into the list of cached processes and it was a long list. I restarted my phone, disabled most of the apps, downloaded Apex launcher, set the debugging option to limit background processes to 4 and my RAM is normally around 150-200 MB free. But I can see that it is depleting. Also on the Apex launcher, it happened that while returning from my G Talk, then screen went black for almost 5-7 seconds as if the phone froze. But it came out. I re-checked the memory and it was around 158MB. So I don't know why this happened but it is frustrating to have a top notch device and this kind of experience. Any suggestions?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tobanezam:
i dont think so... if it does then the phone will reach the price of 3k:D
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bungknees:
I was just about to type the exact same thing. I'm in the process of trying it out, seems to be working.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hotobu:
That makes no ****ing sense.

(I only "thanked" you by accident. If I could unthank you twice and leave you at -1 I would)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
He's saying the original sgs3 would drop in price to 3000 (like Swedish kronor) if Samsung released a device this near with better specs . Makes more sense for you now?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tatsuya79:
1GB ram is greedy on a 650€ phone, 16GB internal storage is greedy, asking for +100€ to get 32GB is shameful, quality check on the amoled screen is nowhere.

That's the best phone on the market though, I don't buy. :(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hotobu:
I forgot that Sweeds have their own currency. I thought he was saying a phone like that would cost 3000$/€ which made no sense.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
I'm starting to think Samsung's been taking lessons from Apple and only giving the phone just enough so you likely to buy another one next year, I mean screen isn't Amoled plus, no 4g as standard, 1gb ram, absolutely no accessories in the box and the USB cable is about a third shorter than older ones, plus their phones always feel cheap and rattley compared to Nokia and HTC,
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bala_gamer:
yeah, it did work :) TFS

people do try this.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hotobu:
Um, hello? Welcome to the world. Every company that releases products on short time scales has been doing this for decades if for no other reason that there becomes a point when the cost to benefit ratio no longer makes sense. Someone COULD make a phone with a 4.8" ips screen at 1080 p with 4 gigs of ram and a 4000 maH battery, but it would be so expensive that no one would buy it.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tectas:
Played a bit with the values to check, you can try to raise it back to 192, works also flawless for me, but can be different for you (depending on how much bloat you got running in background), just to tell it.

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Reviewers:
It's the least Samsung could do.

International has Quad-core and 1GB RAM

At least we have 2GB RAM.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdlopez83:
Isn't Bell in Canada getting the SIII with the 2gb o' ram?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] behelit:
From what I understand..

Linux does not need a virtual memory/paging file.

Android will use up most of the ram to hold previously opened apps. This is done to speed up returning / opening apps and they are not in a running state so they do not use up cpu.

No app needs the whole 1gb.

Your redraw problems are most likely something else and like it has already been suggested try reducing dalvik cache size.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avetny:
cell your phone and get usa version
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mize:
Rather frustrating you can only have *either* quad-core *or* 2GB.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Phone your cell!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bloosteak:
Ram has nothing to do with your redrawing problem. You are rationalizing your purchase of the American version of the SGS3 right now.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SlimJ87D:
Agreed, to add to your post. Everything you are using was funded by research and development. As an engineer, we take a big gamble by using a lot of funds to research and develop. And one thing leads to another. So even if the company is 2 generations ahead right now, are they suppose to just release what they have now and loose all the money spent to develop 2 generations worth of tech?

Sure it's marketing but it's also survival.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrewVL:
Mine too., and One gb of ram is definitely more than enough. I would think it's software related just like someone mentioned OneX has the same problem and fixed by update
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johku12:
Browse forums. What you describe is related to s voice. You must disable some option wich I don't remember now but something related to homebutton. After done that the redraw problen disappears.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrewVL:
Disable S Voice on home screen button?

Nope I didn't and also tried disable S Voice it still has the same problem
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ASD007:
Do you need to root?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spyrale:
sure.

Tapatalked.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spyrale:
seems this trick is working, thanks.

Tapatalked.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pruhster:
Then why does every desktop distribution make a separate partition for that?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
Is that what "swap" is?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
system/ build.prop tweaks - Force Launcher to stay in memory

This did the trick for me for TW Launcher redraw

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27203065&postcount=12
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdhommert:
Can you tell me what this does? Looks like it decreases the size of the DalviK cache to take up less ram I would presume? What specifically does the Dalvik cache do? Any cons of decreasin it?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ceo.mtcl:
+1 really interested in knowing this.

Sent from Rooted debloated stock Galaxy S3 OG I9300
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ronj1986:
Me also

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] member68:
Dalvik cache does not equal heap size.

The heap size refers to the amount of RAM that is allocated for an app when it starts. Hardly any well designed apps use more than 64 GB of RAM, and even if they do, Dalvik will just allocate more RAM for them (at a certain performance loss though).

The Dalvik cache on the other hand refers to optimized app binaries which improve application loading speeds. Unlike the Dalvik heap size, they are saved even if the phone is turned off.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tectas:
Not completely true, the heapsize is the max memory one instance of a dalvik vm (application) can use, but the initial value is the heapstartsize (by default set to 8), if an application needs more space than it will be allocated according to the heapgrowthlimit, but never exceeds the heapsize.

If the heapsize is reached old data will be removed from memory to make space and the new data will be loaded into memory, to accomplish that the instance does not need more than the heapsize defines.

This needs more cpu cycles than just loading new data into memory, but at our cpu monster it isn't noticeable.

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
i have esfile explorer but and stock everything, but it doesnt allow me to change that to 128. do i have to root the phone first?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tectas:
Yes, you need to root and mount the system as rw (there is an option for it at es).

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theonlyanil:
I think samsung should have considered 2 GB RAM instead of 1 GB. :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Notor1ouS-:
1gb are far enough.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Minoza:
Again and again... So, what makes you think 2GB would help? What would happen when those 2 gigs get filled? What makes you think they wouldn't get filled? Instead of having xy gigs of RAM, force launcher to stay within available memory, problem solved...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tectas:
The current problem we are facing isn't related to not enough space, it's under the hood of android. The dalvik vm is causing it, and it's also present at aokp for different devices (aokp uses the pure google dalvik vm code, cyanogen got not such problems, because they use their own fork).

This will be fixed soon i guess, so calm down and pls stop the 1gb 2gb war, 2gb would be nice, yes, but 1gb is far enough and more space won't help to solve the issue.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdlopez83:
I have an atrix with a gig and 300 apps. Most I regulate through from toolbox but others I do not. I am left with 300mb unused at times with apps running in the background alone. Why would I not want 2 gigs.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tectas:
I'm not sure what you want to say with this, sry.

But read my previous post once again, i said it would be nice to have 2gb, but it isn't needed and won't solve problem.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norpan111:
You don't even fill up your 1gb, you have 300mg left you say? Why do you want so much ram that just gonna sit unused?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matttye:
I think its wallpaper related. I was initially using the static puddle wallpaper and touchwiz kept redrawing itself when I went back to home screen.

It hasn't done it once since I switched to the phase beam live wallpaper.

Please try this and report back!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matttye:
More memory = more power required and higher cost. Its not as simple as adding more memory. If it was, companies would be selling them with 4GB RAM as they know that specs sell... :p
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
It's not as simple as saying "Specs sell" though, because the phone industry works by giving you just enough specs so they can add a little bit more to next years model, and right now phones have reached that tipping point between 1&2gb but the S3 lost out, because I reckon next year phones will start to step up to the next Ram level.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4fseeker:
You can rest assured they would sell it with 4GB or 4TB RAM if they could.

But they can't, ARM SoC's with such high specs and die size (4 cores and including all integrated peripherie components) just doesn't allow them.... yet.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matttye:
If they gave this s3 4GB RAM and the s4 8GB RAM, people would buy them both whether its overkill or not. Some people spend thousands of pounds on gaming rigs that will play games for the next five years lol...

Fair enough, didn't realise there was a hardware limitation.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freddee:
Dude this fixed everything ...... if you think is the ram .....well try this settings even if it needs root .....i have been running ..shadow gun,fruit,ninja,facebook,twitter,busted!......and it multi tasked like a pro ...and safe return home thanks.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ceo.mtcl:
I don't understand this one gb myth...

2 gb won't increase the performance but it may kill the battery.

I always have about 200 MB available.

Sent from Rooted debloated stock Galaxy S3 OG I9300
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sun-drop:
it's clearly a sw thing.

i have been noticing the same thing , last night ..going from video ..to chrome browsing www.stuff.co.nz ...back to home = nova having to redraw.

something my S2 never struggled with at all ...i just put it down to a more mature rom from samsung, XWLP3

but in saying that ...today ... my S3 is running awesomly ... maybe i was just fiddling around with too many launchers last night.

haven't been able to make it redraw all after noon :/

i've been on mobile data all day ..only difference from last night where i was on wifi ..
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] conectix:
is it possible to fix the dalvik for the redraw issue without rooting? or are they anyway ways to root the device without voiding the warranty? warranty is just one of my concern why i dont want to root my device as of this moment yet. help! thanks
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SkillfulMmd:
Quick question I believe its related, if im using the default lock screen (water motion one) when I push the power button there is around a 3-5 second delay on the phone responding?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
No and no.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SkillfulMmd:
there are ways to root your device and then un-root and revert to stock if something goes wrong now so you could root it fix it and when you need to take it back use triangle away and un-root (when method exists)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
He only asked if it voids warranty > yes

Flashing stock firmware will unroot. Just Triangle Away app before to ensure a zero flash counter. Flashing stock anything via Odin will not increase the counter, and none would be the wiser. ;)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SkillfulMmd:
Yeah that was the point I was trying to push.

also sorry if it made it sound like I was making your answer look irrelevant :p
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
No problem. Didn't take it that way.

I'm sure conectix appreciates additional input related to his question. Thanks :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] conectix:
thank you so much guys. :) so triangle away works on SGS3. i was worried at first for the flash counter, that's why. hehe. will root the phone later tonight. thank you!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SkillfulMmd:
Yup, I <3 Chainfire :)

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...nd-international-note-possibly-final-release/
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] conectix:
one of my worries, what if there would be an official update release of firmware from samsung? is it safe to update straight from kies using chainfires rooted kernel? the thing is, i have no plans of using custom rom on my SGS3 as i find everything to be perfect already. the only reason why i use custom roms is because of the battery life and bloatwares. hmm..
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SkillfulMmd:
The root method that ChainFire has created is pretty much exactly what you want, it keeps the phone as close to stock as possible and also keeps the stock kernel so even if sammy did release updated kernels you should be safe, of course make sure to check before updating.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1695238
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigmille:
The worst that will happen is the phone will lose root, so you will need to rooted it again. That is way it is best to wait for developer to publish root method for the new firmware before you update.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slight22:
More RAM is always a good thing in ANY system.

Whats kind of interesting is that companies like samsung and google release these powerful devices and yet won't warranty the hardware if you have unlocked / rooted your phone. They should really be designing these phones for people like us who have no intention of going with their flow. It would really show just how far Android is from iOS in usability scale esp for people like us.

And there is no need to try and tell me that they won't because people like us are only the 1% i'm well aware of that. But it's the 1% that has more fun lol and lets face it, make far more use out of the phone.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sun-drop:
k after the edit , and a reboot ...instant improvement.

video - to video inset mode ...to chrome with 5 tabs incl stuff.co.nz full site - home button and a rock solid transition back to home and the video never skipped a beat.

will let you know if it keeps it up

just FYI - my S2 on stock XWLP3 (ICS) has by default

heapstartsize=5m

heapgrothlimit=128m

heapsize=128

and that would fly through chrome to home transitions, on the same 1GB of ram
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShiroEd:
Frankly I'm just a little worried that this issue isn't getting enough exposure. If Samsung are to do something about it then they need to understand that everybody using the phone are unhappy with this failing.

FYI I have changed the Dalvik heap size to 128 and it still does this reload. It *is* less frequent but it still does happen.

:(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bernard134:
do also mind that rooting , even reset counter and triangle. Under setting > about phone > device status will still show "modified" instead of "normal". Chainfire also stated that in his post in the TriangleAway thread and how to set it back.