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[HTC EVO 3D] Mexhawk06:
Also I heard from a source. Not the same super duper source but a different source that use the same source from the source that was named as the first source. AND MY SOURCE IS BETTER THAN YOUR SOURCE. TAKE THAT!!!!!!! LOL!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
More bad news\reason no ics

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=24883 no money from the builder or carrier.
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
I realize that you are just trying to have fun, but mocking a real source with an imaginary one is just a waste of everyone's time.

All I was trying to do was to help and inform... nothing more. You are just trolling.
[HTC EVO 3D] Mexhawk06:
That real source is on your head only. I understand what you were trying to do. Thank you.
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
??

Please enlighten us. What I am trying to do is inform. You are trying to troll... which actually violates the terms of use here at XDA.
[HTC EVO 3D] Mexhawk06:
When we get our official update ill make sure to remind every body of your post.

:)
[HTC EVO 3D] dfskevinohyeah:
sure hope they do! I want an LTE!
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
Again, have faith in your XDA community. Booster Shot is a fully functional port from another phone (4G works, 3D works) which is the same thing we will be getting: 4.0.3 with HTC Sense 3.5. The only thing it needs ATM is battery tweaks.

Quit waiting and worrying about Sprint and HTC and what they may or may not do because long story short, IF they release the update (which the most likely will), it is without a doubt going to be the last one they officially release.

However, XDA devs will find a way to keep this thing going. It will most likely see Android 5.0 when it comes as it already as seen 4.0.3 with Sense 4.
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
Sorry, yes, Sense 3.6. At work and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

As for the version being 4.1 or 5.0, not sure yet. I've literally only seen one source that pegged it at 5.0. However, I think the name Jellybean is the correct one, regardless of version #.

But, this is yet another thread concerned with the upgrade and all I honestly want to pass along (and for those reading this, read it as a dry comment with no emotion, not as flaming) is this: quit your worrying! All phones hit what carriers and manufacturers consider it's end of life. The same happens with operating systems and computers. It just happens quicker with phones whereas laptops and desktops (which are reaching the end of their life considering tablets and the way sales are going) can be upgraded for a while longer.

EDIT: For those worrying, let me tell you your two options:

1) Wait for XDA devs

2) Upgrade to another phone

But, just remember, this cycle never ends. The Evo 4G will never feel the love of ICS "officially."
[HTC EVO 3D] Phantomg93:
I couldn't have said it any better myself sir:) and yes you are right about the "end of life" for phones. It is a never ending cycle no matter how powerful a phone is sooner or later it will cease to receive updates by "The Man" haha. That's why we have xda so they can help keep our phones running. Shoot my HD2 before it died had ICS running on it smoothly people need to, like you stated, stop worrying
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
Glad to see someone else understand me. If you notice, most of those worrying about the update are fairly noobish.

I've skimmed through XDA stuff since a little before officially becoming a member and really started contributing and testing and yada, yada when I got this phone.

Been around a bit (not as much as some), but, usually the noobies are the most worrisome bunch. I know because I was there myself.

You had the HD2? The phone, the myth, the legend HD2? I wish I could say I rode that boat, but, unfortunately, I can only say I've heard of it...... :*(
[HTC EVO 3D] Phantomg93:
Same here. I've been with XDA since '10 but never really posted or helped because I was very noobish and asked the same questions as they did. But yes I still have the HD2 but I need to get a new screen for the poor thing. I'm proud to have a device that holds the title as"The XDA Phone" lol but back to the thread yeah....The only people who should be truly concerned about updates are the ones who do not root and stay true to what the warranty states..period
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
Noobies? Maybe just people who expect to get something in return for money spent on an initial purchase and on a monthly bill. Can we root and install roms? Absolutely. But it would be nice to see sprint/htc appear to give a hoot about the customers they have. But then again maybe we screwed-up by hooking up with two companies that are both about ready to fail.
[HTC EVO 3D] Phantomg93:
HTC is definitely not going to fail, they want all their devices to keep receiving updates and they try hard but Sprint is the only one of the 2 that seems to be failing. HTC has already stated that our device, along with others on the OTA list (some of them being over 2 years old, Desire S/HD) will get ICS. It's bad enough Sprint is loosing a lot of customers. I will say that I wish it was sense 4.0 and not 3.6, since the newer sense has less bloatware and slimmed down. And honestly in my opinion, You should of expected this after Sprint started to stop selling the phone. They are not going to care as much about this phone, not while their new flagship EVOLTE is out and thriving. I'm not trying to be "that guy" in any way lol, but what your asking has been answered many times on xda, with other phone companies as well, about phones and why they aren't getting an update. It's nothing new to hear, it's how businesses thrive. Stop supporting a phone, make their customers sink into another 2 yr with another newer phone, which will also become dated and unsupported..that's life..And idk about you but I feel my money and monthly bill is well spent with this phone. EVO3D, Unlimited, under $85 a month..yeah that's fine with me:)
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
Hey homeslice, kick it down a notch. First things first: being angry or worried about something typically doesn't resolve an issue.

Now, I highlighted a few things from my original comment because apparently they weren't read correctly.

1) I commented that "most" of the peeps worrying are noobs. Most does not equate to all. You obviously fall in the category that is not "most."

2) Second noob comment pertained to a simple fact that noobs tend to be the most worrisome. Simple as that.

Now, I understand you feeling like Sprint and HTC feeling like they should give a hoot about their customers. In all reality, I've never been with a phone company who really did (been with AT&T, Metro, Nextel before it was Sprint, Sprint) and neither has my wife or family or friends (Verizon, T-Mobile, Boost).

If the update doesn't happen, then there may be grounds for a class action lawsuit. That's typically what those are for. However, this is one of those issues in life that b*tching and complaining most likely won't fix except for Sprint possibly offering you a credit on your bill or possibly discounting another phone/upgrade for you.

Just saying. There is no anger or emotion in what I'm saying here. Simply putting out the facts and telling peeps to chillax and work toward something more constructive. What will be, will be.

Also, good point made by Phantom: if you've rooted, warranty void any way. You, I, and everyone else rooted are technically stuck in "voided and unsupported" land. The rides are more fun, but, you have to ride at your own risk because there are no helmets to wear.

Personally, until something official is stated from Sprint/HTC and not a "source," the update is coming. There are "sources" all over the place; some are right, some are wrong (iPhone speculation, anyone?). Period, end of story.

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Get other peeps on your plan and bump it to a family plan. My bill comes out to $78 a month, including an insurance plan (so, if I mess up something rooting it, oops, I dropped it on the ground and ran over it by accident, twice...), and taxes.

Dude, I think the Evo 3D will go the way of the HD2. Seriously. It's beefy enough to last.
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
The problem is we are just about to the point where all of the flagship phones are pretty much identical. Yes there are certain small features that might cause a person to pick one over the other, but they can't get a lot bigger, the screen can't look much better, camera's are all great, etc. So what now is starting to come into play is the almighty customer satisfaction. So if people who are locked into a 2 year contract don't get some of the basic things that they are entitled to in a timely fashion they begin to look elsewhere to spend their dollar. We all talk about how great android is because we can customize it etc. Well those who are a little less tech savy need to get their updates handed to them in order for them to have a good experience with their phones for that two year period. Or their next purchase may just be that "other" phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] Phantomg93:
You are right and i'm sure many people on here can relate. I was on a 2 yr contract with t mobile with a Cliq xt(back then 528ghz processors were FAST!!) And I didn't know much about android. I heard about cool features my friends had that I didn't and found out I needed a newer software version. I waited patiently for an update and T Mo/ Motorola were not doing anything, I started to bash those companies for not helping my poor phone and felt I wasn't getting my moneys worth. It's just how it is

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IDK about that. You have to remember how the HD2 survived so long. Out of all the Win 6.5 phones back then it was the fastest with it's S2 Snapdragon. And utilizing dual boot via sd card made it able to have roms ported to it more easier. I'm sure if the HD2 was an android device it would sit right their with the EVO 4G in terms of development...Mabye lol
[HTC EVO 3D] G.Newton:
I've seen this thought process many times. Again, I'll say it:

WE ARE IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM ENTITLED TO OS UPGRADES.

We are entitled to security/bug fixes.

That's like buying a 2011 Subaru, and liking it. Then all of a sudden the 2012 Impreza STi comes out. Does that make your 2011 car any less? No, it's the same damn car you bought, and you KNEW that a newer version was coming out.

The bottom line: Only buy a phone if you "truly" like it, just the way it is. Rooting and custom roms are just icing on the cake. Just because ICS came out, does not make GB any less of software than when it was before. At one point and time, 2.3.4 was the bees knees.
[HTC EVO 3D] SPreston2001:
Thank you I couldn't have said it any better lol. We are not obligated to get updates. It's actually a nice gesture from carriers to even do so. Besides if your a member of xda then what's the problem?? The 3d has had ICS for quite sum time now lol. I was running MeanRom ICS when I had my 3d and it was smooth as silk! If you want the latest and greatest in terms of phone software then root your device, donate to the devs, and let xda take care of you. I'm really not sure why anyone is even upset over this....

Sent from LTEvo using XDA Premium
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
In the phone market at this time there are 2 major players. Apple and android. If company "A" releases updates for it's operating system that crosses approx. 4-5 years of it's phones it's seems only normal to expect that company "B" would do the same. Everybody complains how horrible that other company is, shouldn't we expect android manufacturers to at least update their software once during the users contract period? Maybe hardware development should slow down a little and let software update speed catch up. It's not about being entitled to anything, it's what the manufacturers should want to do in order to compete. On the topic of cars, software for all controllers, usually at least 6 small computer devices, are upgraded for free for the base warranty period. They dont change the major components of the car but they do make the overall experience of vehicle better. All auto manufacturers do this, they worry about competition and customer satisfaction. For android to continue to be successful they must do this. There was a thread on one of the other forums where people were protesting to apple about unfair blocking of htc devices. How about protesting to htc\sprint to release a software update that's already out on the virgin mobile devices. Might make a little more sense.

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The updates aren't for xda people, we will always be ahead of the curve, it's for the other 90% of those who don't root\install roms. If you keep those people happy they will buy another android phone next time and it allows the product to continue to grow and improve for all of us. In business today there is no nice gesture, you do what has to be done to compete. If you don't, you fail.
[HTC EVO 3D] Adanedhels:
Actually,if memory serves the agreement signed with google has wording in it that has the carrier tied to updating the device to the next os once per device.

So, no, people aren't being selfish and it isn't "nice" for the same companies who are illegally sitting on code to upgrade the phones. That's the deal they signed, if they aren't going to give us source code on time the LEAST they can do is provide a update themselves in a timely manner.

At the very least we have an already existing precedent that flagship phones will be updated to the newest version of android once per lifetime, which is why I have bought the EVO on the first two iterations.

Protecting a company from their own idiotic mistakes encourages them to do it over and over. They called the 3d a EVO the LEAST they can do is treat it like the flagship device they claimed when they sold it to us, instead of some red headed stepchild. I am tied to a two year contract they need to truly support the phone for two full years. Especially when virgin mobile already has said update!!!

I have been a Sprint customer for ten years so I'm not some mobile hopping idiot, I simply believe a company should be held to it's legal obligations just like they would hold us.

Nuff said,

Adan
[HTC EVO 3D] troyboytn:
While i agree with the sentiment, your info is inaccurate. Google made a verbal request to manufacturers to keep their devices update once in it's lifetime (an 18 month period from the date of device release). That was never set in stone and no contracts were signed to "require" manufacturers do so. However, I believe that for Android is to survive the long haul, this is gonna have to be required by Google to make the fragmentation minimal.

now, Android is open source, so a manufacturer could refuse to sign such a contract and use Android anyway, but Google would be perfectly within it's rights to restrict the Play Store and other Gapps in retaliation to those devices/manufacturers who balk at timely upgrades. This may have to be where this road goes in the future.
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
:D

Apple and Android: two different business models. When it comes to PC's: Microsoft and Apple, two different business models. They operate differently. Android as a whole, has a greater market than Apple. Apple as a singular device is greater. However, as you mention, updates across all of their devices, let's consider the iPhone. From what I can recall as I type this: iPhone, iPhone 2(G?), iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S. Six devices are a whole lot easier to update and maintain in comparison to Android's thousands. In terms of sheer numbers, it's too difficult and costly to keep up with.

As for the car comment, I think you missed the guys point. He wasn't talking about the car's software update during the warranty period. He's talking about models and performance specs. I think people who bought a 2010 Mustang GT probably feel pretty jaded because the next model year up saw a jump in horsepower from 315 to 412 and the new V6 released was 10 horsepower shy of their V8. Point is new models come out all of the time. You have to either get with the program or stay with what you got.

As for the 90% you speak of, the majority of those could give a rats a** about updates. Of the multiple people I talk to at work about their smartphones, half don't know what type of phone they have and even more don't even know what version of Android they run. There is a significant few that actually know and care and getting upset about the natural progression of technology is useless.

Apple geeks go through the same thing in a way and have less to go on: Apple doesn't give release dates! Just like my boss this last week: Hey Allan, do I get this iPhone 4S now, or after the iPhone 5 comes out? When does it come out? My response: I don't know, but, should be soon. See? What sucks about "i" products is you buy the latest and greatest and then BAM! The next month they release the next product, the price of yours drops by half and has less then what was just released.

Gingerbread will suffice the majority of the users in what they use their phones for: texting, phone calls, taking pictures, and sending an occasional email or two.
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
We are confusing software with hardware. No one expects the screen to get bigger with a software update, or a car to get 2 more doors with a software update. But a car will run better,shift better, get better gas milege, etc with a software update. It's the same for the phone. And no, people don't know a software update is coming and shouldn't have to. But if google has a major update ready for the phone that will make the phone less of a pos (gingerbread vs ics) they need to give it to their customers. If a company just sits around and says "well that's good enough" another company will say "we've got something better" and they get passed.
[HTC EVO 3D] Adanedhels:
The problem is that with flagship phones companies, until now it appears, followed through with the verbal commitment. I understand sprint not updating a pos phone that four people have, but if you have a "flagship" device you support it.

Hell MS supports Windows Vista still and that was a mega POS OS. And don't give me the to many different phones line. The developers I.e. HTC are doing the updates it is Sprints shovelware add-ons that keep the updates from being quick and simple. Honestly I have Google maps why do I need telnav. I have the internet why do I want Sprint news etc. I really don't need sprint zone.

The biggest complaint is that the damn upgrade is finished, now there are interesting reports that ICS and the data network aren't playing nice right now so im willing to see if that is the holdup, but as it stands virgin got our redheaded stepchild WITH the update and we get screwed. That is not how you do business, unless you want to lose ten year old subscribers to your company that is... Of course if they were to move or upgrade date forward I feel that is a completely fair tradeoff.

Just how I feel at this point,

Adan
[HTC EVO 3D] vinc3stylez:
Heck they still even update windows xp (not saying its pos. It's just old)
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
:rolleyes:

Well, not sure what more can be said. If and only if the ICS roll out doesn't happen, this won't be the first time a company has lied. However, we participate in an area of technology that not only is still developing at the speed PC's and things change faster than politicians change their underwear.

It's beyond belief everyone would be surprised that a corporate company lie about a release of something. The main focus here is Sprint at the moment. Not Google. Not HTC. If you follow the logic (ICS already released for the red-headed stepchild and releasing ICS for our phones would probably interfere with upgrading to the new flagship phone, 4G LTE, if it came out first), then you can clearly see it's Sprint.

For those who say Android should be updated like Apple products, well, like I said previously, different business models. For us to receive updates like that directly from Google, Google would need to produce their own in-house phones and control them like Apple does. That means no more Samsung or HTC. What happens is Google produces the OS, gives to the manufacturers, they remake it, give it to the carriers, then they remake it. So again, the end game is still Sprint.

Stop worrying about what may or may happen. Most of us aren't near the end of our contracts in the first place AND we already have viable options for ICS. PLUS, we've got two ports of a Sense 4.0 ROM by newtoroot and chubbzlou already out and the Evo 3D will NEVER see an official update to that. So, in a "sense" (pun intended), we are getting ahead in the game.

In all reality, if you participate on XDA, the only reason for the want of the official ICS is to get source code so the kernel devs and work their magical fingers.

So, in closing, make it easy on yourself: never trust or rely on a company to do something. Believe it will happen when it actually does. Assume that the ICS update isn't happening. Function as so. So, when it doesn't happen, you won't be disappointed. If it does, then you'll be surprised. BAM! No more wondering or arguing about it. I don't about you, but, I don't sit around waiting for someone else to tell me what my destiny is.............
[HTC EVO 3D] franciumgoesboom:
This is a bit disappointing after the announcement that ICS would be coming to the phone.

IF they don't and end up offering contract termination I would actually be pretty happy. The "HTC unlock" was poorly implemented and made it very difficult and really segmented the community. I for sure will not be getting a day 1 release of a phone again. Gotta wait to make sure that a proper unlock method is available.

PS: The captcha is starting to be super difficult even for humans. I had to refresh about 10 times before I got one I could read.
[HTC EVO 3D] Trina9:
Unless I've missed something, ICS is still coming.
[HTC EVO 3D] evomike77:
they want to get rid of as many wimax phones as they can, since they are doing away with wimax and going to lte...to save on bandwith, that said if they hold the update long enough, most users will upgrade to the shinny new lte flagship.
[HTC EVO 3D] SPreston2001:
Never thought about that! Makes sense for them to try to rid the network of Wimax devices. I think once Sprint gets the network ironed out and finally supports 3G/LTE only, it will be half way decent... Hopefully!! lol
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
Of course it is, they said so ,right?;)
[HTC EVO 3D] evomike77:
I will keep my Wimax device...because gingerbread is a beast on my 3vo, and Wimax won't be dismantled for years, so 4 g will only improve as more users jump to LTE...then once LTE is running nice I will jump aboard.
[HTC EVO 3D] Trina9:
They haven't said no either.
[HTC EVO 3D] woody296:
But when you say yes customers stay happy and then you have time to figure out how to say no.

:)
[HTC EVO 3D] jasonwojo75:
awsome signature
[HTC EVO 3D] Genjinaro:
Kinda hard with that yearly upgrade perk gone and little known EUBO program in limited areas. :p

Sent from my EVO LTE
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
Considering we are approaching Q3 and the promises were for early 2012 on ICS (usually translates to Q1), I would say it is becoming far less likely that we will have an official release. I think we will just have to rely on the devs.
[HTC EVO 3D] snoopdog:
We won't see any upgrades until new evo is out... remember last year? 4g got gingerbread when 3d came out.