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[Galaxy S III General] incubus26jc:
It will be awhile before it is required to have a quad core for an Android OS. Android devs are smart enough to know that there are too many low end devices on the market with or will have ICS. Even in the future, Android will want to have low end devices running there latest OS. So, they will try to keep the requirements as low as they can.

However, in order to keep up with Apple, they will and will have to eventually raise the requirements. Apple will eventually require a quad core processor. Because Apple has only 1 phone for all. So they can put whatever they want in it.

Android however has to remember the little guy.

It's kinda like the Xbox 360 vs Playstation. PS has Bluray in every system, therefore they can make games designed to fill up a Bluray disc because everyone has one. Games like God of War can't be made or played on an xbox because there isnt room. Xbox has to only design games that can fit on a standard 8gb dvd. Even though some folks have a huge HD, not everyone does. They have to design with everyone in mind. Including the ones with just a tiny memory card for saving games. Now you will see Xbox with a Bluray drive in its 720 system because it simply cannot keep up with Playstation's quality of games if it does not.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
The least common denominator effect. True indeed. But that really only applies to stock software packages. I am looking forward to the custom stuff myself.
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
when you say you are looking forward to seeing what devs will do with the 2gb ram, can you be more specific, what do you think they do, or what do you expect them to do?
[Galaxy S III General] incubus26jc:
Well for me, there won't be anything off the table as far as porting goes. For the next 2 years.
[Galaxy S III General] ciscostud:
My quad is doing just fine. Can't wait to compare.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Everything runs faster from ram. Android has some parameters that control how aggressive it is in regards to system memory. On devices with less memory they fill up with tasks faster. When they fill up they start killing off tasks using an order of priority such as...background idle tasks are killed first, foreground active running tasks are last of course with multiple layers between. I dont know enough about the specific way Samsung has implemented those features, or how much stock ICS is there, but it is entirely possible that those values can be adjusted to increase memory performance above what a device with 1GB can.

Its all speculative of course.......right now.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
For some of us, it will take awhile, for others it's right around the corner.

In order for Ubuntu on Android to move forward and more fluidly, the team that is porting or rather merging the kernels have stressed how much they need more "cores" and better "GPUs".

That sounds like a job for both the International and US variants. But if they write it right for multi-threading you can bet the International versions Ubuntu dock will shine.

You might ask why I want to run Ubuntu, it's because I don't really want to buy a tablet right now and I'm at work most of the time on a PC. But when I want to come home and check my personal e-mails, or load up some torrents etc, it'd be nice to just dock my phone into a cradle and turn it straight into a Linux computer.

To each his own.
[Galaxy S III General] zen0s:
I went with Exynos Quad core, just because of my experience with Galaxy Note, Snapdragon processor was so laggy. I'm a heavy multimedia user on my phone; games and movies etc. On Exynos whatever I throw at it there was absolutely no lag what so ever but snapdragon was very choppy and unbearable watching some of the HD vid. I'm sure having extra ram helps multi-tasking better and prevent redrawing, but I don't think it will help process app/video/games faster.

It's not like we be able to multi-task apps side by side, so I pick Exynos. Just my personal preference :P
[Galaxy S III General] cryogenist:
I do most of my things for my international S3 in power saving mode.

Just a few hiccups and lags here and there only.

But I haven find the need to really use quad-core Exynos to full power yet.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Yeah, power saver mode often times extends battery life by %20 to %25. I've been running it for the last 2 days with no real problems. Benchmarks in power saver mode also shows it is on par or a tiny bit below the S4 which is nice. I'm sure the S4 will also come with a power saver mode.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Same goes for quad core processor. Devs program for what's available. If quad core is available they'll begin optimizing stuff for quad core.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
More likely, and i would say more intelligently, they will try to develop scalable code so that the number of cores is irrelevant. The efficiency of the cores matters more than how many you have when your code is truly scalable. You can run it on a single or a octo-core cpu. Of course it depends on if ICS handles the thread prioritization or some custom code that is tacked on. The least likely outcome would be to focus on supporting only quads since that effectively cuts them off from 95% of the community. No, they will likely try to make it all scalable.

I am still looking for a solid writeup on Android and multi core architectures and the real utilization, not the perception.
[Galaxy S III General] cryogenist:
I am really anticipating for Linaro's optimized ICS parts to be merged into CM9 or AOKP..

2x performance!!!! Haha :p:p
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
What is linaro?
[Galaxy S III General] cryogenist:
Basically, I grabbed the description from their site.

Linaro is a not-for-profit engineering organization consolidating and optimizing open source Linux software and tools for the ARM architecture.

and not so long ago, they showcased their results of their optimization for ICS.

which was a staggering 2x performance on CPU-bound benchmarks.

This is the link to the video. Sorry can't post links yet.

ht tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQRYmYip6Q

They said they submitted the parts to CM9 and AOKP already.

Now is just waiting !! :D
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
The top 2 smart phones in Android right now both use quad and dual cores variants. 9 million of the SGS3's are the quad core versions alone as a small pool of an example. They would be stupid to not focus on writing something for both of them instead of writing something to accommodate one and then wasting time to go back and accommodate the other when the most efficient would be to do them both at the same time.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
exactly, we are saying the same thing then :p
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
IC, sorry I must have misread or read someone elses comment and replied to the wrong one. My work window is 2in X 2in to hide the window so it's hard to see sometimes.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
blah! hiding....lol, out IT admin issued top end Android handsets to the employees so we all are able to do whatever on our phones....hehe they are actually pretty lax here, they don't even care if you sit at your desk and browse as long as the milestone 6 months out gets done right and on time

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honestly i think these new 28nm A15 based dual core cpu's will be more than enough to carry us another two years, by which time the software and operating systems will have caught up to the hardware and will finally be really utilizing duals and quads well. Of course by then all of this will be slow. Point is I don't believe they are even utilizing the duals well yet. In two years (or less) I will be ready to upgrade, and maybe by then a quad will make sense. A quad based on A15 or newer architecture.

I would much rather be in a 28nm A15 based dual with higher throughput per core than older 32nm A9 based quad one year from now. If anything the Exynos Quad A9 architecture would be more likely to stifle progress in software development at least that is, if the software developers fully utilize the hardware available. Some features that can be implemented on the A15 architecture cannot be used on the A9, or it won't benefit anyways. Before you get all upset, read on.......

The Exynos Quad is a A9 Cortex derived processor. The S4 Krait in the US/CN models is a newer core based on the A15 Cortex architecture. The A15 is still in it's infancy comparatively and I would have to guess that there are many opportunities for well written software code to be further optimized for the new instruction sets and features.....instruction sets and features that cannot be had on the old architecture that the Exynos Quad is based upon.

Here is an exerpt from the white paper from Ti on the improvements the A15 has over the A9. It does refer to the 45nm manufacturing process, the Exynos is made on a more mature 32nm process which really only reduces energy usage, it doesn't add any features.

Read the full Ti A15 White Paper Here
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Supposedly it's like that here too, but when my boss has his bad days he'll start calling people into his office and giving them negative feedback. It use to be "as long as you get your work done by the end of the week."

I started to use my phone but then I started getting neck cramps. You know what they say, the office is one of the most dangerous jobs long term.
[Galaxy S III General] benefit14snake:
It really will be interesting to see how this plays out. Samsung gave us two sides of a fence to sit on. More cores or more ram haha we won't be able to convince either side which is better since they both have advantages. I was under whelmed by tegra 3 in my prime though, but I think its because nvidias kernel sucks! It will be an interesting couple of months until the next big thing comes out. Either way I will enjoy my device!

Sent from my Axiom MAXX!!
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Well if what supercurio said was true(which I wouldnt doubt) about the US variants not having the wolfson chip, that just made my decision all the more easier. Sound is a biggie for me

I too am underwhelmed with the performance of the Tegra 3 in the prime. It's not that much noticeably faster than my TF 101. Maybe you notice a difference in high end games but on daily use I really dont see too much difference. I think when the note 10.1 comes out my Prime is going to take a nasty fall down the stairs and get sent into square trade. lol
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
Well sorry to disappoint u but the intl version sound quality was horrible.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Not when supercurio releases voodoo sound for it. And yes I know it's only when you have headphones in. fortunately for me that's how I listen to my music on my phone. Plus I got a killer pair of Shure SE535 IEM. But use the Klipsch S4a's on a daily basis for the mic/call/music controls ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
Jusging sound quality is dificult but to me it still seemed awful. Whem u get the phone I hope u enjoy it
[Galaxy S III General] the2rrell:
Of th S3.......??

Once Supercurio pushes his screen tuners and sounds apps out...i think we will see and hear improvements easily
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
We are talking abiut the s3 yes
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
I thought we were talking about the S1 :D
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
no problem because this is the lg optimus zone :D
[Galaxy S III General] the2rrell:
Funny Guy.......:p

i dont think the sound is bad on the S3 though......compared to my galaxy note and Skyrocket. the sound on the S3 is way better. but im not an audio guy either.
[Galaxy S III General] jbadboy2007:
The krait s4 is actually a7 using a15 instruction sets. They really lied and marketed this processor very well. But it is one of the most powerful and efficient processors right now.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
So what you are saying is that you have used an international S3 with voodoo from supercurio and it was awful??

That's funny, seeing as he hasn't released voodoo for the S3 yet....
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
read the whole conversation. that was a reply to him saying the intl version got the wolfson chip which is supposed to make its sound better. still funny now?
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
I did read it, the wolfson DAC is known for great quality sound, especially when used in conjunction with voodoo.

Like sgs1 and nexus s, they were amazing with wolfson + voodoo.

So you can't comment on whether the quality on the intl S3 is good or bad with voodoo because you don't know.

We'll wait til supercurio releases it and then we'll judge.

Still funny.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Your reply:
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
A statement like that deserves evidence.

** so i went and did my own research and I see what he is saying, the S4 is very much like and performs very much like the A15 based cpu's when it is not a 100% A15 cpu, but honestly, it doesn't really matter.....it's a more capable CPU than the A9 cores in the Exynos
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
Nobody judged voodoo. Congrats for Ireland btw you guys did really good yesterday;)
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Is it too late for me to disagree with this? I compared my HOX, SGS3 and iphone connected all through AUX, and the SGS3 sounds pretty darn good, the HOX was good in bass but that's due to beats. The iphone might have sounded the best but that's because it was through USB audio since my car supports it for the iphone.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
It looked like you were judging it, maybe what you were trying to say got lost in translation! ;)

Ireland always does really good, its full of Irish people.
[Galaxy S III General] benefit14snake:
Is it bad that I contemplate dropping my prime daily too? Lol it might just happen when Samsung releases their next tablet..

Sent from my Axiom MAXX!!
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
Somebody is shortsighted i guess. Pardonne moi:)
[Galaxy S III General] jbadboy2007:
At your request

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Based on arm v7 instruction set. The architecture is krait which has similarities with both A15 and A9. No where does it say A7 architecture.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
yeah, the more I read the more I learn. It appears that it fully supports the ARMv7 instruction set, but the architecture is actually A15 with some modifications that are specific to Qualcomm's own core design. So it doesn't strictly adhere to Ti's A15 specs, but if you actually read into what they did, you will find out Qualcomms tweaks appear to have taken their A15 derivative a step beyond Ti's design.

thanks, yeah I did some of my own research. it really doesn't change the fact that the S4 supports the features of the A15 architecture where the Exynos A9 based cpu does not

Virtualization appears to be one feature of the S4 that may have implications when attempting to run more than one operating system on the device. The S4/Adreno 225 combo also has Windows 8 compliant Direct X 9.3 support built in. Exynos/Mali 400 does not.

Combine virtualization support and native Windows 8/Windows 8 Phone support with the 2GB of ram and suddenly you have what very well could be the only phone so far capable of dual booting Android and Windows 8 and have a better chance at running it without starving for memory.

Even if the Exynos Quad could natively support Windows 8 and Virtualization it would starve with 1GB of ram.....my opinion, someone feel free to correct me here.....but I am fairly certain if one were to want to get into such usage they would certainly want the faster memory bus and double memory capacity of the S4 package over the Exynos Quad

Another interesting read if people want to really learn a little about the different cpu architectures instead of voting for the number of "coarez" they have.

http://highgreatworld.blogspot.com/2011/10/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait.html
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
That's a great read. Thanks!

Sent from Rooted debloated stock Galaxy S3 OG I9300
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
not nearly as great as the Ti A15 white paper and the link I provided above that actually will educate you on how Krait S4 is the superior technology and all things considered, is the more future proof architecture

moar coarez indeed.....lol
[Galaxy S III General] jbadboy2007:
The wiki says "similarities of a15 but based on a7" like I said it is the most powerful processor right now but I'm doing my part to educate others so they are not tricked as I was by initial and hyped specs.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Qualcomm has the highest ipc and memory bandwidth right now. Benchmarkpi shows single thread performance about 20% faster than tegra 3 or exynos at the same clock. However the HTC one x lte still fares poorly next to the Galaxy s3 in terms of fluidity. Which I put down to likely software optimization. Once the US lte version of galaxy s3 is released we will know just how much of that silky smooth performance is due to having 4 cores over 2.

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Reading comprehension failed. Please read again carefully.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
you should read further than you did......between the Ti White paper link and this link you should have a lot more to talk about than how the S4 supports the ARMv7 instruction set. It is based on the Cortex A15 cpu architecture and fully supports the ARMv7 instruction set. The Exynos is based on the Cortex A9 architecture which is last years technology. Of course they both fully support the ARMv7 instruction set. That's a given.
[Galaxy S III General] blunted09:
I think I'll take samsungs own processor to go with their hardware and software. All the way back to the hummingbird, it has always proven best. Just my view on it.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
it wont be about four or two cores though. It will be about which hardware the software is better optimized on. I think it should be obvious that a package built on last years technology will be easier to get to perform better. The S4 A15 based hardware will likely take more time to mature. It still isn't a good comparison though. two different architectures, two different SoC's, and obviously as you have noted, the software makes the difference which I know to be true.......overall when one takes the time to actually read about the technologies in question here in the " how meny coarez is bettar" question posed, the number of cores suddenly becomes irrelevant

I agree, the overall user experience may actually feel smoother to the end user on the quad, but this is early release code running on, in the case of the S4, early silicon that could easily be updated to properly use the hardware and the S4 could with proper software become the faster experience.

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all this data and you fall back to brand name loyalty....lol:p

interesting approach. Samsungs software is notoriously ****ty if you spend any time following devs that have worked on Samsung development projects. If you use a stock experience on your device, they have one of the better ones no doubt. Most of us here are buying the hardware expecting to never run stock software though.
[Galaxy S III General] jbadboy2007:
That's good info but does not dis credit what I've been saying. If you look back at my link the table in the wiki shows what instruction set each processor was built on says a7 for krait s4
[Galaxy S III General] blunted09:
I don't intend on running stock either. As for the loyalty, I thinks definitely deserving. I have heard many of the same battles last year and have seen the performance differences with my own eyes.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Link for benchmarks on the quad core S4 with adreno 320 vs exynos 4412 vs T3 etc....

It beats the exynos but remember that its the quad core version with a better gpu.http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...reno-320-benched-beats-tegra3-and-exynos-4412

More benchmarks.

http://www.careace.net/2012/05/31/w...r-than-exynos-quad-and-why-you-shouldnt-mind/
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Actually the more you repeat that the more discredit you do to yourself bro. It says the same thing for the Exynos.....it's not what you think it is. It doesn't say "built on"...you said that. It shows they both support ARMv7 instruction sets. But Exynos was built on A9 architecture, Krait was built on A15 architecture. The architecture has nothing to do with the instruction set support other than the fact they all support it......so you have not really made any point at all. No offense. Go read some more. I am by no means the authority but I have read up enough to understand the difference.
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
:D
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
the S4 is expected by all accounts I have seen to beat the Exynos when the playing field is level....well....when it's as much of an apples to apples comparison as you can get when comparing two different CPU architectures and SoC's.....more like comparing apples to pears, they are similar but not quite the same. The apple could be the best apple ever grown but it will never completely replace the pear....
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Ya my bad, this is probably more relevant.

http://www.careace.net/2012/05/31/w...r-than-exynos-quad-and-why-you-shouldnt-mind/
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
That's not worth waiting for at this point... Because the Exynos 5 will come sharply around the corner.
[Galaxy S III General] jbadboy2007:
This link is comparing the s4 against an a15 processor why because the s4 is not an a15 but is as efficient.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
direct from ARM, I was somewhat wrong in the way I stated something earlier, there is such a thing as ARMv7 architecture in the way ARM describes things.....but there is a distinct difference between a CPU that is built around the A9 and the A15

Click here for ARM A9 Info

Click here for ARM A15 Info

There is a lot of info out there but you have to take the time to read it. I am learning myself.....but so far the S4 Krait is in my opinion easily the best option.

If nothing else I would like to have the chance to dual boot Windows Phone 8 and Android and perhaps Backtrack or Ubuntu linux. From my research the S4 Krait with 2GB of ram is the only one of the two choices that will actually be able to do such a thing.
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
guys can you please in a very few words summarize what is the conclusion of all the articles you read ?
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
the Krait is not an A15 any less than the Exynos is not an A9.....

see my links above to ARM's info. They license the technology to Samsung and Qualcomm and others, who take the liberty to make various changes and make their own derivatives of the original architecture. Qualcomms A15 implementation is not pure ARM architecture, but from what I can tell neither is Samsung's A9 based core. They use ARM's design as a starting point and go from there. They all support ARMv7 instruction sets by default. But the S4 is for all intents and purposes an improved A15 architecture where the Exynos is older techology based on A9 that has gone through a process shrink helping power usage and yields and temperatures and what not. But it's a different piece of silicon.

This is truly not a core to core comparison.

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I was actually going to try to compile some information on the two cpu architectures and create a informative post. Not about which is better. Let people decide for themselves, but just so we don't have people blindly voting for more cores or brand names.......that is, if people want to actually educate themselves about what they are talking about.

I love to educate myself all the time.