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[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
I got a htc one s at home running cm9 and it plays it fine
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
another thing to consider.. It's been reported by US users that the system takes about a gig and there is about a gig free. On the international there is what? close to 800 free (someone with an international chime in here) So in actuality the US version only has a couple hundred MB more than the international available. Something to think about, which I'm surprised no one mentioned yet.
[Galaxy S III General] Babydollll:
*Wolfson
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
How sad, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1759695

☞ sent from my GS3
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Desperation.

I'd be sympathetic to their cause if it wasn't for one person who also has a vzw S3.

I don't think I need to name names ;) :D
[Galaxy S III General] stjs:
Noted;) Thnxs
[Galaxy S III General] Vaddy23:
Hahaha I remember you and Avetny from the G2X forums a little over a year ago. Man that seems like a long time ago already and that phone had so much potential but LG completely dropped the ball software wise. Nice to see we all have GS3's now, major upgrade to say the least. :laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
I agree. Not that my only vote will make any difference but Voldemort caused me not to do so. I really want to sign the petition for these poor guys though. I remember owning atrix and I know how painful it is.

☞ sent from my GS3
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
It will be a great device with or without your sympathy, so don't go out of your way, thanks.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
I figured you would have had something to say to rebut my post. Considering it has 2gb of ram which has been the comparison all along in actuality after the system is done eating up it's ram it only has about 200mb give or take of ram over the international that's actually usable.. So there isn't really that much of a difference :) I think that logic is pretty sound. If we talk about 1gb vs 2bg it sounds like a big difference but when we are only talking about the US only having a couple hundred megs of free ram more. The differences seem less significant
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
oh sorry, been avoiding this thread for the most part because of the members involved in very personal non-productive attacks

i know the US version uses more by default, but it still has close to a gig of free ram above and beyond what the UK version has from what I have seen. It is more than "just a couple hundred megs free" from everything I have seen. It uses a couple hundred megs more, yes, but it has a gig more memory and has been shown to allow many many more apps to stay active in the background providing for a quicker multitasking environment.

I just wish mine would freaking get here.....locked bootloader or not this phone is a beast and I will thorough-ally enjoy it. I used the Charge for the past 1yr + on stock firmware, rooted to use several apps I find essential, and using ADW EX launcher to fully customize the GUI. I will be very happy either way but I hope you guys would be offering support as a community as opposed to letting your hate towards one or two members steer you into unproductive uselessness. (no that part isn't directed at you graffix) :D
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
I am still waiting for unbiased objective comparison of gaming performance. Unfortunately there's a ton of childish fan boy comments and personal remarks that helps nothing other than get this thread locked down and turning away members with useful info to post.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
You do not sound like a multitasking person I wonder why are you so happy that it has 1 gb free;)
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Ok then it's like 300MB difference. If there is a gig free in the US and like 770ish in the international free then it's 300mb give or take a couple, even if it's 400mb free more, that's really not THAT much more.
[Galaxy S III General] knights.JayTana:
I do have the international Version (1gb of RAM) ... I can simultaneously play 2 games (Airportcity and Shadowgun) with 2tabs on my browser. Thats how far i can push my Phone without sacrificing much of smoothness and performance... If i open another tab, itll get laggy. Though i dont frequently play games, but i think its more than enough for everyone...

For rooted device.

Tip: Install EStask manager (not for killing task), go to settings and enable root enchancement then manage your start-up application.. There are many apps there that are not essential which is already open @ startup (youtube, samsung bloats, and etc), disable those which are not important to you...
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
There's 780 mb TOTAL memory on the international version. In use the free memory is mostly around 150mb. I know because I am using one right now. That's with minimal use of widgets and home screens. While the 1GB reported by US users Is FREE ram. But I really like the way you somehow spin it such that the difference is only 200mb. Also If I leave this page to read a pdf file and return my page will reload and lose my progress. Don't think this has ever been reported on the US version.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
its way more than that...not sure where you are getting your numbers from

S4 uses at most like 200MB more than the EU version from what I have seen, don't hold me to that...could be more or less.

So if the EU version has 200MB free ram out of 1GB, that leaves 1GB free ram out of 2GB if the US verison uses 200MB more at idle.......

Lots of people with both handsets have shown the difference.....like I said, I think you may be looking at the wrong things. I have seen reports of having 40+ apps open in the background on the US versions where I have seen Intl. owners saying they are already seeing apps have to reopen and reload.....because there isn't nearly as much memory available.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
My usual thing after a rom flash is to open root explorer and head to /system/app/ and delete the **** out of anything I don't like the look of.

Samsung crap especially.

The amount of bloat is unbelievable, even things like factorytest.apk are running in the background using CPU and ram.

I have chrome open with 3 tabs, poweramp, tweetcaster, speed test app and xda and I have 300mb free ram.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
After the system, with no running apps there is a gig of free ram on the US version, there is 770 on the international. So after the system eats up it's ram on both devices even if there is 1.1gb free on the US version that is only a 330MB difference. Where am I getting my numbers? From people in threads that have reported how much ram is available. So if there is 1.1GB free on a virgin US model and there is 770 free on a virgin international model, then yes my numbers are correct and the US version only has 330MB more in free ram. Unless 1100-770 does not equal 330...which last time I checked it did ;)

And even if we were generous and said the US had 1.2 GB free, that's still not even a 1/2gb(430mb to be exact) more than the international that is available for apps.

So yes, you will be able to open 430mb more in apps than the international without it too closing them to free up more memory
[Galaxy S III General] stjs:
You are right. I have been using both and there is a big difference when it comes to the number of apps I can have open before the device needs to reload them.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
770mb is total ram not free ram.

This is only with one app open:
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
you have both still right? do you mind posting idle memory stats of each?

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so what i see is a device with 1GB of ram, that only has 780Mb available to the user, of which 649MB is used, which leaves...ahem......131MB free, correct?

because that's what I have been seeing, reports of 150-200MB free on the Intl. variant.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Please report on gaming comparison if you still have both. Thanks.

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Yes. Both exynos and S4 do not have dedicated video ram. Samsung allocated about 100 mb more on the US version because there's more ram. But some people are just wants to believe the S4 eats up a whole GB of ram. Or that the US version allows only 2 more applications to open without quitting.
[Galaxy S III General] stjs:
Yes I still have both and will post idle memory tomorrow. I am presently camping and only have the international S3 with me.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
ok fine.. so there is 649 free.. What is free on the US with no open apps? I think I have seen people report anywhere from 1.1-1.2gb free. So even is it's 1.2 there is still only 551 more available for apps on the US version than the international. So 1/2 a gig. So the US has about 551 more. How is that wrong? yes, the US has 2GB but after only has about 1.1-1.2 free where the international has 649 free when there are no running apps, so from this we 1. can see that the US version does in fact consume more ram when not running any applications(but we knew this already) and 2. when there are no running applications the US version only has about a 1/2gb of ram free more than the international.. Of course you're going to argue that but numbers dont lie my friend.. my whole point is the 1gb vs 2gb really isnt as significant as it seems because there is only 551 available more on the US version.. after the system get's it's chunk
[Galaxy S III General] stjs:
131 free in that pic. 649 used out of 780Mb
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Again with this story of ram. The intl just needs an update that includes ram optimization. As i previouly said my buddys htc one s has 1gb ram, uses sense that eats more memory and has s4 that also uses memory. However that phone got 250mb free ram. That means that our phone which uses tw (eats less memory than sense)+has exynos that uses less memory needs some ram optimization because it is impossible that a htc device that has sense and s4 to be using less memory than the intl which got exynos+tw.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
here is the pic of my system. Free ram is about 400 with tapatalk and several apps running as services.

☞ sent from my GS3
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Reporting in after using the T mobile variant for a week. It too has some launcher redraw so it has to be programming Touchwiz... Another note is that scrolling through the home screen lagged a little bit and then my friends phone froze and rebooted. This is on stock. It only did that once though in the week. We'll my vacation is over. Waiting on my GF to get her ATT variant
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
What apk you using to show ram usage?
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
He is using the system panel app
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
You got it right there. It's the best application for this purpose.

It's a sexy app like our sexy phone.

☞ sent from my GS3
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
I get over 400mb as well after a fresh reboot or clearing the ram. After using for a while it drops to around 150-200 unless I don't use the browser ever. And I have a ton of stuff disabled already.

Ok I notice that's not the stock rom you are using. This is how it looks like on stock Rom with only the internet browser running.
[Galaxy S III General] racerex:
Dude you need to slow down and stop throwing around incorrect numbers.

International phones have ~800MB of "free" RAM after all the video/system/low level crap. US phones have 1.62GB of "free" RAM after all the video/system/low level allocation crap. These are the real numbers. From there depending on which ROM you run and how many active widgets and apps you have running at startup, you can then figure out how much extra RAM is available on a fresh boot.

For example my US phone after a fresh boot uses 521MB and therefore has 1.1GB left over. See attached screen shot. And this is on the STOCK ROM which explains the great multi-tasking capabilities out of the box. This isn't a pissing contest but at the same time you need to get your facts straight.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Our phone is sexy and has a BIG problem...
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Haha yeah I agree. Biiiiig problems.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I was staring at that screenshot showing 780Mb available but 649Mb used and absolutely dumbfounded as to how he was coming up with anything BUT 131Mb free memory......where does over 700Mb come from because the International version only starts with 780Mb total available ram after boot.
[Galaxy S III General] LondonLion:
I think the quad core as this is a 'new' fature on phones and will get support for longer
[Galaxy S III General] sids911:
RAM, RAM and some moar RAM!~

There is absolutely nothing that kills off a system quicker than lack of RAM.

But really, 2 GB RAM is something that notebooks/laptops used to come not a very long ago. And for usual surfing and office apps, that was good enough.

But now, I think its not only the OS which is (mis)managing the memory, its also the memory hungry apps which are just going to increase their appetite as days pass by.

I would have loved to get a 2GB S3, but in my country the only option that I get is exynos with 1 GB RAM. duh Samsung!
[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
Not only do the dual core SGS3's have twice the ram, the also don't have any wake up lag. It's just a better device. Period. We have two more cores, but they don't make any real world difference.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
I would like to believe the quad core version is much smoother in operation because of the extra 2 cores. I hope someone can objectively prove that. Like running 2 devices side by side with one of them with 2 cores disabled and comparing them in real world tasks like internet, maps, Facebook, gaming.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
If more apps were written to run on those cores efficiently it could be much better but I haven't seen anything beyond anecdotal and inconsistent user "findings" that show anything otherwise.
[Galaxy S III General] locoboi187:
Incorrect. GS3 has a memory management issue and lots of S App bloatware. Other than that a nexus runs smooth under heavy multitasking. Overall, quad is better and I'm in America where there are dual cores so I'm not biased. Everyone can keep saying dual core is better to make themselves believe that their product is better but that is not the case.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Is the internet browser multi threaded? Can rendering, javascript and multiple flash objects load up different cores? Anyone has conclusive answer for this?
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I think its more of that they are equivalent give or take a few milliseconds and useless benchmarks. So as it pertains to the topic, if the dual and quad perform roughly the same, and it has been shown that they do, then naturally you compare the next inequality which is memory, and the dual with 2Gb of memory clearly is the better solution when you take that into account. The bigger picture if you will.

Consider that the benefit of more memory will be evident far before the benefit of two more cores. I think that by the time the software is challenging enough to need two more cores it will most likely need more than a couple hundred megabytes of additional memory.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
The ICS stock browser is Chrome mobile yes?
[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
There are many videos on Youtube comparing S3 to S2. You can see that S3 is not smoother than S2. S2 was already very smooth with 2 cores.

Extra 2 cores can only bring speed difference in extremely heavy games optimized for multiple cores, but there are not many such games.

In comparison to that, extra RAM brings a noticable difference in almost everything.
[Galaxy S III General] anthropolyte:
No. Chrome was still in beta when ICS was released, so the stock browser is not Chrome.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
wow! ever thought about screen resolution which on the gs3 is much higher and of course that has some effect on what you call "smoothness"? ;)
[Galaxy S III General] cyrexking:
Im very happy with the performance of my international s3 considering i came from iphone 4s. The LTE is not an option here in the uk so why bother :-)
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
I totally agree with you mate. Since I'm owning both quad and dual core gs3 I can definitely recommend quad core one. I've also owned galaxy nexus and I understand what you are taking about.

Apart from the performance issues dual core suffers from major other issues. Some of the ****ty providers in USA are having it's boot loader locked. They are making android as iPhone. Shame on them and shame on people who still support these providers and pay them money to keep their business running. I prefer AT&T in the sense that it is free from all these locks. In my opinion AT&T 's gs3 is the best USA gs3 that I know right now.

☞ sent from my GS3
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Why is it the best usa gs3?
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
It has LTE and the bootloader isn't protected.

The T-Mobile one isn't protected either but it has no LTE.

VZW is the worst as it has a protected bootloader and it's CDMA.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
let me clarify in case I conveyed some wrong meaning....

For me international is the best over all.

While comparing USA models and service, AT&T is better, reasons...

AT&T has

-boot loader unlocked

-LTE

-GSM

☞ sent from my GS3
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I am so happy we can have this thread to discuss the technical aspects of these wonderful devices. May whichever one you choose bring you great joy! We are a community, lets act like it.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
In case I had to choose among usa versions I would go with the tmobile one because for a person like me that goes to europe very often, the tmobile version works with most of the high speed networks in europe. Bootloader unlocked+gsm. And yeah no lte but still hspa+ is fine. Aaaand the tmobile logo looks better on the backcover than the att logo lol
[Galaxy S III General] radeon_x:
The difference between 4 cores and 2 is minimal the the moment. That might change in the future. But for the time being it's very difficult to discern the difference between the two.

The benefits of 2GB RAM and LTE are huge right now.

Having tried both, the international version felt a bit more "familiar". The North American LTE phone feels like a true next gen phone to me. But that's just my opinion.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
No its the at&t one that will work in Europe, the intl version only gets 2g on tmo.

Full hspa+ on at&t.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
I thought the tmobile one has more chances to work with fast speed bands in europe. And yes iknow the intl version only gets 2g with tmo right now
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
The dual core s4 makes me feel im paying 500 for an old ass phone i have been using last year
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Tbh when they came out I thought the same because of the way the nexus s worked with the i9020a (at&t) and the i9020t (tmo) where the tmo version was the exact same as the i9023 (world version) when it came to radio frequencies and the at&t version wasn't compatible with world 3g frequencies but this time around it doesn't seem to be the case.

Although when tmo roll out the 1900mhz frequency for 3g then the international one will work on tmo just fine.

The intl version will work on all us 3g networks then.

But obviously not sprint or vzw for obvious reasons.
[Galaxy S III General] teatime0315:
So if I'm reading this correctly.... 3g for tmobile should work in the future for the intl. version right?
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
When they roll out the 1900mhz frequency, they are already testing it in some coastal areas.

Hopefully by the end of this year.
[Galaxy S III General] teatime0315:
This is sweet. Edge is horribly slow. Haha. How much faster is 3g compared to edge? I'm using a $5 data plan unlimited. So if they switch over to 3g that'd be winning.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Well on average I get 4 or 5mbps down and around 2 up on hspa+.

Dunno bout edge, but I do know that its slow as ****.
[Galaxy S III General] teatime0315:
Once the new frequency rolls out. Would I need to do amything on my side? Or would it automatically switch over to 3g?
[Galaxy S III General] drdax:
I'm in the UK. I get up to 3.5Mbps down and 2.5Mbps up. On H+

Normal 3g lucky to get 1mbps

Edge don't even bother. 2kbps
[Galaxy S III General] SubZero5:
Why not quad core with 2Gb of RAM? :)

Search for Korean SGS III (SHW-M440S/LTE) ;)
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
The latest lg will have quad core s4+2gb
[Galaxy S III General] locoboi187:
We already discussed that. It's thicker than our GS3 so not a lot of cases lol
[Galaxy S III General] racerex:
Quad core with 2GB of RAM and LTE would be awesome. In fact it would be the best of all worlds if the quad core was Cortex A15 based.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
yeah that's a better quad + 2GB combo than exynos + 2GB which will be a bit hard on the battery I think
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Good luck with that miss troll of the year;)
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
well what's even more ironic is when I last mentioned the S4 Quad being the better Quad to use over Exynos with 2Gb of ram you guys kinda blew up like the Hindenburg, lol

lol, all in good clean fun :)
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Sooooo glad got rid of the tmo gs3 for $600!
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Ordered my 32gb international today. I hated waiting for my student loan check to hit so my ex gf.. Yes my ex.. Lol laid out the cash until I get my $. I guess I can say I have the best ex gf in the world.. Lol
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Make sure to fulfill her needs or u will be in debt woth her for the rest of ur life lol
[Galaxy S III General] locoboi187:
I got my international today lol...too bad I don't go home until the weekend to un box it
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
LMAO.. If I got her to lay out the cash and she is my ex.. imagine if she was my GF.. hmm maybe I should re evaluate getting back with her.. lol
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Oh that sucks! lol I'm going out of town wed. I ordered it from Negri and it was 4pm their time and got two day shipping. I hope I made it in time for it to ship today so I get it Wed, if not I'm delaying my trip until thursday hahaha
[Galaxy S III General] knights.JayTana:
Amount of RAM on internationl version which is 1gig is more than enough for most of us... Processor horsepower is beastly on both, and Android cant even take full advantage of it... What counts most for me is development support which is very rich with international version...
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Nah there are 3.3billion women in this world:p ebay has a good deal for 32gb white version $641.00. It might be a good idea for those who can, to return their 16gb versions and get the 32gb one. Just saying
[Galaxy S III General] locoboi187:
Funny thing is that it's for my GF as a gift haha. I myself will be sticking to my S2 as I am pretty satisfied with CM9 ;)
[Galaxy S III General] qwer777:
I've been reading through this thread(just got to comment 351 at the top of page 7), and I want to see if I understand this right.

INT beats US in GPU, so pick it if you intend to game or do gpu intensive stuff.

US wins in RAM so pick it if multitasking with a BUNCH of apps at once is important to you.

Is that accurate? I'm not touching on LTE, because if thats important to you you don't have a choice.