yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Dude but you really have problems dont you? Go visit a doctor or something and dnt pm me I dnt want to be contacted by wtf such creep long time no seing. What part of **** off you do not understand? You are EVERYWHERE and funny thing is that you eother keep tepeating yourself or you just talk non sense
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Locked bootloader just tops it all off, regardless of what he says, he would have loved a quad exynos and the wolfson and an unlocked bootloader like the international provides.

His butthurt levels must be reaching crisis point after all the disappointments.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
I do not understand why he does not just open such thread over there and he can just copy paste the stuff he says.+ if you go there and tell those mononeurons that the intl version is better they will all get pissed and take it as a personal attack as if you offend their usa pride. Thanks god there is verizon to top it all off!
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I would choose to stay on topic and not worry about things that will resolve themselves. Are you really so immature you can't fathom how to stay on topic? Why don't you try to represent the development community with some sort of maturity? Am I giving you too much credit here?

Wow....use the ignore user feature and move on if you can't stay on topic. You need anger management help.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
The best way to compare would have the two devices set up exactly the same. the same apps installed, same accounts syncing, and also to be fair to the US version. the US bloat removed that is not present in the international. I think the pocketnow video was good, however like you mentioned it doesnt show how they perform after a few days when apps and services are running on the norm in real world use. after your assessment about the multitasking and apps being open it makes my decision on which to get a little bit harder. But then again I think Do I really want more apps open and running in the background at the expense of battery life? probably not. I also would be running all the same apps and services as I run on my GS2 now and that only has 1gb and dont feel it's too little ram for what I use it for. I would really like to see a side by side showing how much the US stutters more than the international. It's really a tough call but I will say I love eye candy and to me a more fluid smooth buttery UI is more important to me.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Yes, but the phone is bigger due to the LTE radio being separate. It'st he Thunderbolt all over again. The battery life is going to be terrible. You have a separate chip needing power and a quad core also.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
I lol'ed hard at that one!
[Galaxy S III General] kikisp:
guys main difference is mali404 vs aderno 225

mali is waay better...
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
yeah that phone will eat through battery like nobody's business....I was thinking from a power point of view a Qualcomm S4 Quad with integrated LTE would have gone a ways towards making it appealing and not such a power hog at the same time. Give the "moar corez" fanboys two more cores to rub one out over and LTE + 2GB ram all in a package that uses around the same amount of power as the US variant and then you would have something to be envious about.

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there is another thread for Mali vs Adreno, you are right, the Mali is a bit stronger for gaming.....so if you play video games on your phone, the Quad with Mali is the better choice. Always has been for gamers.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
If the s4 with 2gb of ram was so much better than the international, wouldnt samsung have made all Gs3's with the s4? They chose they exynos. They designed it, they designed the software. The software is pretty much optimized to run on their hardware. The ONLY reason why they went with the S4 in the us variants was for LTE. I would gladly take the phone designed the way it was originally designed to be than a phone that was switched up to accommodate US markets. It has also been reported by many that the S4 needs the extra ram to be able to run TW as smoothly as it does. If the US variant is stuttery with 2gb imagine how it would be with 1gb? The s4 needs the 2gb to be as fluid as it is. It's much more fluid than the HOX with the same cpu and only 1gb of ram. The international doesnt need it because it's buttery smooth to begin with and it's hardware deals with the software better because it was designed to
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Ooook we are talking 2gb is better for multitasking. How many apps I need to be using at the same time in order to call it multitasking?
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
You are absolutely correct about LTE.

It's Samsung's pride and joy. They had no choice however when it came to the US market. Well their choices were.....give it LTE capability or don't come to the US. It made more sense financially to give in and agree to use the S4 SoC and give the US LTE than to cut that part of the market off from sales.

They would have pushed it on us here if they could have obviously....being more money in their pocket. Samsung didn't want to build Samsung phones with the competition's SoC in them.....that's a bad financial move. You can bet there was a significant price difference, the Samsung Exynos equipped units were probably much much less expensive per unit.

As far as the extra memory is concerned, I am not convinced it was needed just because of the S4 SoC. Yes the Qualcomm needs more memory because of the way it has integrated hardware like the Adreno GPU...so it eats more memory. But it's not THAT much more memory. They could have gone much cheaper and went with an extra 256MB of memory and the two devices from a memory point of view would have been pretty much equal in terms of free available memory. There has already been lots of people, even in this thread, that are saying there is not stuttering.....I haven't seen the first stuttering US GS3. That doesn't mean there isn't one. Sure you can force conditions, but I can also force the International version to run out of free available memory based on all the user reviews I have seen. I would really rather not be looking at a year or more of use on a device that is already memory light. Much like the HOX.

Thanks for the insight and level attitude. :cowboy:
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
the only reason they gave more memory to usgs3 is to make ppl like you stop whinning. it is just a marketing crap. no phone needs 2gb ram. you have phones that have .5gb ram and run just fine with ics. the intl version uses so much memory because there is a bug which soon will hopefully be fixed. go look at the htc one s, it uses s4 and has 1gb ram. it has 200mb free ram all the time and it runs sense which we know uses more memory. + whoever uses facebook, it takes 100mb ram just because fcbk dev team sucks.
[Galaxy S III General] erto90:
Guys im an italian blogger, writing for the first italian's blog

I had got the occasion to try both of them ( maybe also the corean one is arriving:p)

I must say the international version feel more smoother in any occasion

Dont forget that the 2gb ram of the usa version are wayyy slower than the 1gb internation ( i don't have under hand value, but mhz differes and you can cleary feel them if you got both phone) is like to have 2gb ddr vs 1gb ddr2..

Ok with USA version you got more free ram, but remeber when they will be all used, for sure that app(s) will be bottlenck by the cpu..

Honestly havent tried the LTE thing because here we are capped at hsdpa+.. I honestly prefer a lot internation version also for - great community support ( obv lot of devs got the international version due to their origin country) and be sure samsung will more and better support their exynos! This my opionion, can t prove to have both now because they ahve been resent back:crying:
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Yeah but honestly I'm quite lazy now. To factory reset and delete all my stuff just to use each phone for an hour. :-P
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
yeah I totally hear ya. lol
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Whoever told you about the memory didn't know what they were talking about. Hopefully your Italian blog isn't going around spewing misinformation based on hearsay. I just did this very quick google search myself for both teardowns and looked up the model numbers and found out this wasn't true and much more in less time than it took you to come to that conclusion.

UK spec ram is the K3PE7E700M-XGC2

2CH x32/ch,

216-FBGA

,

12x12 PoP

,

DDP

, 128Mx32*2 1.2V

US spec ram is the K3PE0E000A-XGC2

2CH x32/ch,

220-FBGA

,

14x14 PoP

,

QDP

, 128Mx32*4 1.2V

See page 9 of THIS DOCUMENT for the Samsung documentation on the matter.

You know how much different they are? None other than 4 pins which are obviously there to accomodate the extra memory power/signaling and the fact there are two 1GB modules stacked in the US version and only one single 1GB IC on the EU version. In fact if you go research the two SoC's I believe the S4 has a more capable advance memory controller and bus.....but you have exhausted my internet research for the time being....so you'll have to prove me wrong on that one :)
[Galaxy S III General] Vaddy23:
Anyone who has the North American S4 GS3 that has NOVA 3 on their phone should let me know if there is any lag during gameplay. Please and thanks in advance.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
I believer soc memory follows a standard of 256, 512, 1gig, 2 gig, 4gig, 8 gig, 16gig etc.
[Galaxy S III General] racerex:
A few HTC phones including HTC Sensation had 768MB of RAM. If Samsung had really just wanted to compensate the S4 chipset for being a memory hog they would have just given the GSIII an extra 512MB. Every half a penny counts to these guys.

Samsung didn't go that route and instead opted to give it an extra 1GB. In addition, for the Exynos based GSIII targeting the LTE Korean market they are also providing 2GB. Can anyone explain that one? My theory is that given the speeds of LTE and how quickly HEAVY web pages can download they wanted to ensure a no excuses multi-tasking experience.

I'm running the S4 w/ stock ROM on AT&T's LTE network and I have yet to have a single app force close on me because of RAM. This in itself is an amazing feat as I have NEVER seen an Android device pull this off before. Bottom line is that 1GB is what 512MB used to be and that flagship smartphones in 2013 will increasingly be sporting 2GB RAM. Samsung and LG have already demonstrated this and I'm sure HTC is kicking themselves in the butt for not shipping the One X w/ 2GB.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Mandynjames u still think the s4 processor blows the exynos?
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Which?
[Galaxy S III General] stjs:
After using both phones and having them both set up identical to each other.. I would agree that the S4 does use more ram but it also has a lot more ram in reserve (500-600mb at most times in my experience) . It doesn't need to reload apps as often as the international. I haven't used the S4 hox but I would say that it wouldn't be a good experience with only 1gb of ram. It is clear to me that Samsung included the extra ram for the S4 because it needs over 1gb to run smoothly. Also keep in mind that Samsung hasn't updated the S4 software yet, as far as I know. Give it a couple of updates and let them tweek it.
[Galaxy S III General] Tsukurimashou:
I own the gs3 int and a friend own the us one, the 1st thing I noticed is on us version when you enable power saving the phone lags! On the int version it's just a bit less smooth but wow I was supprised, also the us version heats a lot, and people were saying redraw issues are caused by not enough ram? the us version does this too with 1.6gb free, so yeah I'm happy to own the int version.

Sent from my beautiful GS3 int unlocked, rooted and beloved.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
At this point I think the decision should be made based on which version you can get for cheaper+which one is covered by the one year warranty samsung provides. If one lives in the usa maybe it would be smarter to get the usa version since usa samsung covers it, while if you get the intl version the one year warranty of the intl version would not count because basically you bought the phone in the grey market. Another thing people should keep in mind is the korean version which got quad core+2gb ram. Maybe would be better to get the phone through your carrier, pay $200 for it then sell it for $500 or so and just get the korean version instead of spending now $650 on the intl version.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
I just switched to miui rom. Enjoying it right now. And this post is completely on topic if you get it :P
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
Easy. They are a manufacturer and what guides their product designs is obviously their yields. A recent example of this is their factory transition from 45nm to 32nm. The newer A5 chips are 32nm and the older ones are 45nm. Now, I don't totally understand what kind of contract Apple has with Samsung but I highly doubt that Apple can snap their fingers and force them to make them 32nm A5's when they are contracted for 45nm ones. So unless their contract is super flexible and Apple can boss them around, Samsung will gladly give them better A5's because that is what their factories are geared towards and that is where they invested money. Since in this case, it would cost more money to change their factories back to 45nm processes, so they just give Apple 32nm A5's at no extra cost. They also get free marketing by showing off their 32nm process in a flagship product so the costs are mitigated by free advertising. Ie. if Apple and another company likes the new and improved A5, then the A6 for the ipad 4 is most likely Samsung's instead of say Qualcomm. It is a lost short term but also a long term gain.

I am pretty sure that this ram situation is similar. They want all mobile phones companies to buy 2gb chips from them by 2013 so they have to start now. I think that it just so happens, the international GS3 was designed when their factories were still cranking out massive amounts of 1gb chips to their customers. Then when that allotment of 1gb chips ran out, it is 2gb for everyone because that is what they want to market and sell.

Now this is just a guess since I don't work for Samsung. But it makes too much sense from a business standpoint and a marketing standpoint.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Doubt it honestly. Samsung just took more time in RND than HTC and avoided the multitasking issue. The HOX S4, can't even open 3 programs without them closing and freezing. It's the Adreno being a memory hog.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Screw htc I hope they go bankrupt!
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Well I think the problem is that the Verizon version always got the worse and most poorest support from Samsung and development. The fascinate and charge being the two most neglected.

Even if the bootloader can be solved, it's a major turn of for development and you need to interest customers right now before they jump ship to another device and get locked in a contract. I see development dropping on the Verizon version.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I completely agree with you there. I owned both of them too. The Fascinate, thanks to jt and other devs finally got CM support but right at that time I was offered a free upgrade to the Charge. Was able to get a better screen and 4G LTE support in exchange for pretty much starting over in the development cycle. I took it and I am glad I did.

The Charge while it still hasn't caught up to the Fascinate due to the LTE RIL issue so no CM or AOSP/AOKP BUT there have been some really awesome custom roms and kernels built around the Touchwiz base code that really have made the Charge a wonderfully customize-able and great phone with LTE all in one package. Not having AOSP/CM support is not the end game condition for a phone contrary to popular belief.

I feel that now that we have root and custom recovery support, we have enough even if we don't get a fully unlocked bootloader, to have some serious good custom work done. Lets face it, the stock experience on the GSIII is already beast compared to everything else out there. Honestly I would be content with where they are now for a year or so but would sell it for something more open later on down the line. So not a big deal either way as long as I have that unlimited LTE goodness. The extra memory to allow better multitasking is just icing on the cake.
[Galaxy S III General] veyka:
I would like to remind everyone to stay on topic, and to keep your posts respectful and useful.

Thank you.
[Galaxy S III General] dasistsparta:
Soon I will let you know
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
Nothing to doubt about it. That is how manufacturing businesses work. If you are a supplier and you want to prove to the buyers that you have some good pure white powdered level merchandise, you put it in your flagship product to show them how good that your 2gb chips are. That is the business.

That theory doesn't work because even though HTC kind of suck, their software engineers are still masters or PHD level engineers and they would have caught that for sure. They genuinely think 1gb is enough and Qualcomm would even tell HTC that if they needed more than 1gb because they don't want their S4 to look bad either.
[Galaxy S III General] racerex:
I have to disagree with you because if you what you said was true all phones would be shipping with 2GB now. Your logic is flawed.
[Galaxy S III General] avetny:
What ????

funny people.

How you can compare GOD LIKE with FAKE LIKE ???

-Galaxy s III with Dual-core Adreno 225 GPU ! Do you catch the meaning ?!!!

Let me open your eyes like this ":eek:"

-Adreno 225. Do you know WTF is this, kid? Let me show you.

OPEN Browser go to Youtube.com >>>> DESKTOP view>>>> and type "High definition 1080p video".

Now PLAY it in 1080p.....YOU SEE you ****ty phone can't do this !

Now take your girlfriend's Galaxy S II and do the same thing.....YES now go and cry because old phone just OWNED your new one.

Some benchmarks on galaxy s II will be higher than in yours HTC phone !!! Why HTC ?? Because you just bought HTC One S he got same processor with the most CRAPPY GPU.....adreno 225.

How you can COMPARE: "BMW-5 with BODYKIT of M" with the real "BMW M5" ????

WE GOT "FAKE AND ORIGINAL".....and is nothing to compare here son.

-They can say and show that it is fast but

[YOUTUBE]K00RVERwaj8&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

they are deceiving

Oh yea 2GB of ram:o:angel::laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
I have the S4 HTC one x with adreno 225 and it plays every 1080p video smoothly with flash player. Over at the US GS3 forum. People are reporting butter smooth frame rates in the latest titles. Once they sort out the smoothness on the UI. The S4 will be as good or better than exynos quad. 2GB is absolutely necessary of you want a proper multitasking experience as multiple members with both devices have already mentioned.
[Galaxy S III General] avetny:
I got also and it's not playing...don't bull**** me here

Lagging/Performance issues - International version better for me

Fgocards

2nd July 2012, 11:57 PM

As you can see, very new to these forums but looks to be a friendly community and I look forward to settling in.

Any who, onto why I made this thread. I received my Galaxy S3 last Friday from AT&T, I paid $573 for no commitment because I'm canceling service with them and using Straight Talk. It started off all good, booted up the phone and had no problems with set up.

However, this soon changed after I got over the initial joy of having a new phone and started to look at it more closely. The home screens stutter when sliding them across, and the app drawer is really not a whole lot better. I'm not talking like freezing lag, but definitely not something you'd want to see on a sub $600 phone...

I ran a few benchmarks and my fears were confirmed.

Antutu: Highest - 5543 on a fresh wipe, 4900 on average. My girlfriend gets 6300 on her SGS2 Looks like the SGS3 should be around 8-10k.

Quadrant Standard - 3273 on mine with a fresh wipe, girlfriend getting 3900 on her S2. Looks like it should be getting about 5000 on average.

So obviously something is wrong with my phone, as even temple run stutters every now and then. I blame bloatware, and AT&T, may not be AT&Ts fault but I hate them. If it matters my CPU seems to be the only thing that isn't scoring as it should, usually it says it is clocked around .9-1.1GHZ, no where near the 1.5 it should. I've tried factory resetting, wiping the cache, soft resetting, and trying to use no sim card at all to see if it made a difference.

Anyway, I'm sorry if you're still reading this, but I'm frustrated, so I'll just ask my questions..
Should I return it, or is there someway I can fix this besides what I've tried?

Is the international version better suited for me because I won't even be using LTE on Straight Talk?

Would the international version have firmware updates a lot quicker than the AT&T version?

Yes return.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
your nick and avatar look familar..Did you ever own a G2X or sensation? I think I remember you from those forums
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Then it's a software bug. Samsung's problem not the adreno 225. It played everything perfect over here. Maybe Samsung did not allocate enough video memory.
[Galaxy S III General] avetny:
;)I am changing my phones every month. Yes we know each other from "G2X" (Crappy "LG" G2X with restarting issue and did it still get 2.3 yet? lol don't remind me please man ! or Sensation with Wifi problems...daaaamn)

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Im talking about HTC one S.

1080P in desktop mod !! It can't play it ! Same **** will be with fake Galaxy s III
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
who could forget such an intelligent and informative contributor.....:laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
hahaha Yeah that G2x was ****. I stopped over in the G2X forums the other day just to see what was going on there. I'm surprised people still actually have that phone. I think you and I moved over to the Sensation at the same time too. I was the one that started the 2 different LCD manufacturers thread. Sharp or AUO. LOL
[Galaxy S III General] racerex:
Dude you're funny but unfortunately wrong on this one. I just went to Youtube and played 1080p videos with no problem on the GS3 w/ S4.

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I just played this through the stock browser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=YW8p8JO2hQw&vq=hd1080
[Galaxy S III General] avetny:
put it in desktop mod...and change to 1080p

Antutu: Highest - 5543 on a fresh wipe, 4900 on average. My girlfriend gets 6300 on her SGS2 Looks like the SGS3 should be around 8-10k.

Quadrant Standard - 3273 on mine with a fresh wipe, girlfriend getting 3900 on her S2. Looks like it should be getting about 5000 on average.

yes I am funny :laugh:

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baaahahahah yes I like that time. But the most crazy thing people still using that phone !
[Galaxy S III General] locoboi187:
Dude you guys need a hobby. Getting out of hand now.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Android IS my hobby ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Skizzy034:
I've hit 5500+ on my s4 One X.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
HTC one s can't play 1080p flash for some reasons. The one x is completely different. I was surprised that it play 1080p flash vids that made the tegra 3 one x stutter. The exynos sgs3 on the other hand has a bug that will cause 360p and 480p videos to freeze a few minutes into the video.

But who plays there video using YouTube desktop with flash anyway. Other than slightly better quality and more resolutions choices there's no reason to use the desktop view in browser over the YouTube app