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[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
i call it being cheap, i pay plenty for my service, but it's the best in the US and I have unlimited full speed LTE and texting, (who calls anymore?) I am rather happy with it and glad to pay it. This has nothing to do with the topic, so deal with it.

You're completely wrong and need to go read up before you make yourself out to be even more foolish. We had the same thing everyone else had then, it simply involved a kexec reboot at boot up (so you have to wait an extra few seconds when booting up once every what, few days or something unless you reboot your phone all day)...????who cares???? But yes it was not any hacked together ICS crap. There are some of those roms on the OTHER carriers I believe. But we have had full blown JB a long long time now. Like I said. You may want to go read up before saying much more on that because you are already off base.

Your statement doesn't apply. Go read or stop speaking of things you obviously don't know about. You're still holding out for official Touchwhizz junked up JB? LOL

Look at the CM10 build log for the i9300, i see a bunch of experimental CM10 builds and a few CM9 builds..... (old news)

http://get.cm/?device=i9300

compared to the solid nightly Official CM10 builds on the US versions

http://get.cm/?device=d2vzw

http://get.cm/?device=d2spr

http://get.cm/?device=d2att

http://get.cm/?device=d2tmo

We have full on, completely "unhacked" Official CM10 Nightly builds with full on JB code, Google Now, etc.......just like any other model can have. So you can stop ranting on that. lol
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
You really have no clue do you, CM10 is not pure JB, its still using ICS libs, drivers and resources, it has to, JB sources haven't been released yet, its using a hacked ICS device tree.

You are really showing your lack of knowledge.

You won't have pure JB til the sources are released.

How don't you know that? That's noob knowledge, something you would know if YOU read.

We also have Google now, what's your point? We had it on ICS too, what does that prove?

How can you have full JB without the JB kernel and rom sources specific to your device? Do you have a JB modem?? No?! Why not? Oh ya, because its not real JB.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Well you might be right about some of that. I'm not a dev. But we have had official full CM10 support for a week or more now when the bootloader got unlocked, and for a month or more before that we were still running experimental unofficial builds with kexec. As soon as official JB comes we will of course be able to rip out that JB modem, etc....

See what I did there? I admitted I don't know everything and I'm not right about everything. If that's what you need to hear, fine, you win, doesn't matter to me. Take a note. You don't have to call people names and insult them bro. It's a weakness, not a strong point. You should try being less personal when being an argumentative geek on the internet.

You win, I'm wrong, whatever you need to stuff your ego with.....get your full of it and then move on so people can discuss THE TOPIC.

Me personally. I give not even a second thought to video games or benchmarks, therefore a Quad would only unnecessarily waste my battery. But I can do things on my phone, real PRODUCTIVE things, the things that MOST PEOPLE do with their phones day to day, that you can't do with the memory gimped Intl version without dealing with launcher and app reloads. I like being able to come back to an app where I left it two days ago after opening 30 other apps and having it come right back up where it was......
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Wrong. You don't have full CM10 yet, what is it you don't understand?
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Shows over, it's been fun.

Peace! :P
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Do you need some hugs too? See above, get your full of it. And please try to stay on topic.

https://plus.google.com/117962666888533781522/posts/3gjXR6AoSa2
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
And just FYI,

The US variants have nightlies, but our CM 10 build started first and besides the memory leak is pretty much a daily driver. Dont let the buzz word "experimental" degrade the progress that has been made on our cm 10 build..

The reason why the US variants got nightlies so fast is the CM team is very familiar with qualcomm chips that and the fact that Cyanogen himself made the first build for I believe it was the Tmo or att variant and all the others are based off that code and require little changes to work on each of the carriers.

While on the CM site it might only show a few builds but we have had builds not posted on the cm website. We do pretty much get nightly builds (even though one hasnt been released in a few days) and they are always by the official GS3 maintainers. The Intl GS3 was actually one of the very first to have a "preview" build of CM 10. The US preview build was released after,

I really thought this thread was dead. Mr James. Why do you constantly feel the need to come into our forums boasting about how much better your device is? I mean seriously, cant you see that you doing that can be either seen as 1. You seriously trolling or 2. You trying so hard to convince yourself that the US GS3 is the better device so you feel better about your purchase. Or is it that your forum is so dead and boring(compared to this one) that you just come to where all the action is since it's not in your neck of the woods.

Do you see anyone of us going into the US forums and saying how much better our device is?

You constantly mention it's only good for benchmarks but I have to disagree. I love my phone, it's super fast, super fluid dont have any memory issues and am actually increasing my ram with a swap partition as well. So like ceo said, we have a solution for having a smaller amount of ram but there is no way to add a swap cpu :) Did I need to have a swap? no not at all. My phone ran fine and always had free memory even with everything I normally use open but it's nice to know that I have a little more with the swap partition.

Can I ask you Mr JamesMandy,

Have you yet to see a international side by side with a US in the real world and not in videos? Like with your own eyes, and with your own hands? I have, and I can say yes, the US did have plenty of more free ram, but the international version is smoother in my opinion and that's after holding them both side by side. Am I saying the US version sucks? No, if I hadnt seen them side by side for myself I would be happier than a pig in sh*t to have a US version. But after seeing them side by side loaded with apps and in a daily use senerio My preference is for the smoother UI.

LTE really doesnt matter to me at all. I'm on wifi over 90% of the time and when I'm not HSPA+ is fast enough for what I need. My mom has the HTC Vivid which is LTE and I can say I'm glad I dont have an LTE radio eating up my battery life
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I'm not gonna bother replying to your texts anymore. You're stubborn, wrong and you say the same crap all over again.

It's easier reasoning with a brick wall.
[Galaxy S III General] jayharper08:
I think we all need a break.

---Jay--- From the GNexus™
[Galaxy S III General] mcvigo:
I honesly dont think 2gb is necesary. S4 is a good processor but quad exynos is more future proof.

Mali rapes adreno 225.

Honestly if u buy the us version you wont miss alot. Getting it for 200 bux is real good.

I live in dominican republic so lte vs 4g is pointless as i only have 3.5g.

I bought the quadcore int version for 580. Waiting for it.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
yeah it was VERY short.. It's about all we have right now though. lol I wonder if they have the two models displayed in samsung's huge showroom (where nothing is for sale) in NYC. ceo I'm definitely looking forward to that video. I dont think I can really decide on which until I see a side by side vid or get to play with each. Until then I will continue to go back and forth daily.. hahaha god it's going to be torture waiting for like the 2nd week in july
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
I think you made a good choice. I will get a us version on 21st also. I do believe that having 2 gb of ram is overkill but so is quad core. Both these phones even out and only a slight benchmark points won't make any one of them as a winner.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Exactly. I have the quad core version. But even I am sceptical how much it's taking advantage of all for cores in daily use. And it's ridiculous that people are asking for proof that more cores are useless. It should be the other way round. People who market quad core cpu in phones need to prove that having two additional cores actually help out in common tasks like loading and navigating this web page or maps not just boosting antutu scores.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
well put, the newer more efficient S4 SoC has a CPU based on the A15 ARM architecture, clock for clock it should be more efficient in performance and energy usage

besides, how much does the current GSIII use all four cores anyways? haven't seen anything that shows how much ICS actually uses a quad core cpu anyways...

i don't think they even use dual cores well yet
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Yup. I totally understand your dilemma. I can't wait to get my hands on the s4 version on 21 myself. Regardless of the configuration, both these phones will look alike and will be a great showoff.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
There are proofs that all the cores are utilized. I took a snapshot right now for you.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
well there we go guise, ceo.mtcl has a random screen shot that shows four pie charts, that's enough proof for me!:confused:
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
"the battery drain powering the other two cores is wasted battery time."

I honestly thought you knew something I didn't and was hoping to be enlightened but obviously it's another one of your opinions.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
+1
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
if one core uses x amount of energy, a dual core cpu would be represented by 2x, a quad by 4x

of course we aren't taking into account that the S4 architecture, by most accounts on the web, is more energy efficient on a per core basis, go google S4 Krait A15 architecture for yourself if you don't want to take my word for it

so overlooking the different architecture differences, if a task can be accomplished in the same amount of time using 2x cores as 4x cores, then you have 2x cores using energy without contributing anything to performance

remember, all of this is speculative because this is unreleased hardware so far, but there is plenty of documentation out there for you to read for yourself, I am in no way obligated to substantiate anything
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
So there are apps on market for showing CPU activity.

System Panel, CPU master etc.

Screenshots from them both.

System panel:

With usual operations it still uses four cores.

Screenshot from CPU master:

See the average usage times here ...
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
i found a good read for anyone looking into the dual vs. quad subject

I will hope you find your own truth, despite the fanbois

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...re-phones-smartphones-unlocked/?tag=mncol;txt
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
I agree with you. Its not a simple math.

More cores may also mean lower battery drain. Two cores running at 100% will cause more battery drain as compared to four cores running at 50% each.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...re-phones-smartphones-unlocked/?tag=mncol;txt

" Quad-core chips promise dramatically faster performance and better battery life. That's because as each core works less hard to accomplish a task, it draws less battery power than if fewer cores strained with heavier workloads apiece. The higher the battery draw per core, the faster you drain your battery."
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
You wrote something about the Exynos like it's a fact and then later said you never offered any proof to back up your claim. Then you went off tangent to talk about the S4 when I was simply asking you about what you meant with the Exynos and it wasting more battery because of the other two cores, again I really thought you had something because the way you wrote it. And now you are letting your ego get the best of you instead of saying "Sorry, I don't have proof, it was just a theory." Pretty simple, and now irrelevant for us to carry on such a conversation.
[Galaxy S III General] johku12:
I read this tread and I mainly saw pointless arguing. One of few occasions where 4 cores come in handy is gps or connecting to ot as phone has to solve fourth degree linear equation group wich needs much calculation power. Reason why s4 has little bit higher clockspeed is probably that it has a little less calculation power and one core in 1,5GHz has the same performance as A9 at 1,4GHz. The reason is not to compensate less cores but to bring similar performance per core. US version has also more memory as lte and the s4 uses more memory. Not a gig more but the phone only has one memory module and there exists no 1,5 Gb memory modules. In two core use when memory needed under what international version has available for programs the phones perform equal, when memory needed more the US wins and when needed calculation the Int wins.
[Galaxy S III General] trashcan:
I will pick the quad and just hspa is fine. Super fast 4g LTE speed is useless when you have a 2Gb or 5Gb cap.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
i never said anything about the Exynos as fact

although if you do your own research you will find the A9 Exynos quad cpu uses more power than the A15 S4 Krait dual cpu

I don't have time to debate in circles with you. Find your own proof if you think you need to prove my opinion to yourself. I could care less.

So Let Me Google That for You

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so it's only useless to those with caps then...true i would say, but those other guys might ask for proof....lol
[Galaxy S III General] MouseX:
I prefer 2 gigs of memory, because very often when you get out from heavy game, you can see what touchwiz is restarting up (desktop icons appear out of nowhere) on the 1Gb version.

Also, so stupid when you minimize heavy page in a browser to write some sms and when expand it, it's gone and reloading again.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
"I would like to find an article that shows how much of what is running on the Exynos quad is actually using four cores. Actually if one could turn off two of the cores and do a head to head dual core test that would be interesting.

Honestly I would say unless you are running benchmarks and playing games all day, the battery drain powering the other two cores is wasted battery time.
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
If my experience with the Qualcomm S4 and 1gb of ram is anything to go by, a lot of people are going to be disappointed with the North American GS3. Hopefully my gut feeling is wrong though because I want Samsung to do well for the sake of Android.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Well that never happened to me but I'll make the comparison when I'll actually have the phone on 21st.

I'm switching between aokp and cm9 right now and I have about 500mb free ram. More than sufficient for me.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
TouchWiz may or may not be redrawing due to RAM. Why do I think so? Because on the Skyrocket, I still had RAM left over for Touchwiz and the "intensive" games. Not saying that having more RAM would be great though, i would take 2 over 1 any day.

Samsung may have wrote the software to close down everything except for the game, otherwise you would have the CPU and GPU running the UI and Game at the same time at maximum frequencies draining battery. That's my take on it. We'll see how it is later though.

Remember the SGS2 was very laggy when it first came out and look at it now, it's still one of the best smartphones around.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Quad core > dual core > single core for battery life.

Quad core a9 > dual core a9

Quad core a9 32nm >= dual core a15

4 cores running using more power argument is stupid.

When a core isn't in use it turns off, hotplugging.

When an intensive task needs to be done all 4 cores kick in to get it done faster and then back to idle.

The exynos 4412 is a9, sure, but its based on the 32nm manufacturing process and is highly optimised.

Jamesandmandy or whatever is getting upset and taking this as a personal attack because he too feels the intl version is better but doesn't want to admit it coz he'll be getting the us version, which personally I will be just fine, Samsung won't release a **** flagship. They want to kill the iPhone remember.

Reading material. Nvidia white paper for quad core kal-el arch.

And in case anyone is wondering why I posted the white paper for tegra well its because the first few pages are a dual core vs. Quad core discussion.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CF8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvidia.com%2Fcontent%2FPDF%2Ftegra_white_papers%2Ftegra-whitepaper-0911a.pdf&ei=urPeT8SiDsW4hAeAh4SPCg&usg=AFQjCNEMpyzd0ohoJ3m99mtn52IyOyaoLA&sig2=SsmLnYjFN38fTz7TL1TXKA
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Well said and i completely agree with you. But... there is a mathematician genius wanna-be over here who won't understand it.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
If you add up the usage of the four cores. It does not even load up 2 cores. It could be just the os doing load balancing splitting single thread task to 2 cores like what windows does all the time.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
And that's what will save the battery life. Load balancing is always good for battery.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
repeated post
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
You posted it twice and I've already replied to you.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Haha. You woke everyone up at my home while I laughed out loud reading your comment. I wish life was this simple though.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
We are talking about performance. Now you go on about battery. Only in nvidias white paper will you see claims that more cores save battery. Please find me a review where a quad core desktop cpu use less power than a dual core one of the same architecture while performing the same task.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
Intel, AMD & ARM Processors

A good read for a few here:

Intel, AMD & ARM Processors

https://kb.wisc.edu/showroom/page.php?id=4927
[Galaxy S III General] chrisd1a1:
thread cleaned, also a public warning to all

we won't tolerate personal attacks or flaming of any kind.

lets keep things nice or I'll shut the thread and start issuing infractions
[Galaxy S III General] XxAndroid:
Dual Core S4 2GB RAM
[Galaxy S III General] demo23019:
Normal use pretty much same performance .

Gaming the exynos is hands down best and future proof for more advance games.

2gb is pointless this isn't windows

1Gb is more than enough for android

Don't care about LTE I'm not downloading torrent, Usenet on my phone I have a PC with tons of storage space for that.

Browsing web, texting,p email, YouTube...ect. lte is overkill especially when I have a 5 gig monthly cap not to mention I won't get these speeds everywhere.

Advertisements advertise high speed internet not hardware that's why its in demand.. I'm a PC hardware enthusiast at heart
[Galaxy S III General] Khizar:
I think i am gonna with till the 21st when i see both compared side by side.. but i am leaning towards the quad core i think 1gb ram is enough
[Galaxy S III General] Totòòò:
The whole point is out of 2gb ram available, how much will actually be available for use by apps
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
For games, the Exynos hands down, I dont play games on my phone, nuff said there.

I would like to be able to load other OSes myself, perhaps play around with some Backtrack/Ubuntu/WindowsRT. Would also like to see what some of the devs might be able to do with custom memory profiles that may be able to get extra performance by using more ram. Out of the box, sure, the benefits are probably limited to an extra app or two running but we all know stock setups blow compared to custom kernels and i think people are downplaying it more than they should. Anytime you have more memory available its a good thing as long as the memory is being used well. I will trust our devs to do that far better than Samsung.

Ill take LTE over any other data though after having it since it began, and switching back temporarily to a 3G device.....its almost like going back to dialup. I have unlimited data and plan to keep it as long as possible. Not because i use a bunch, but because I dont want to waste time tracking usage. I would give up uber gaming performance in exchange for LTE anyday.
[Galaxy S III General] incubus26jc:
Its not about what Android needs now for ram. Its about what it needs 2 years from now when I'm trying to flash the latest and greatest OS. On my current OG INC, ram is what holds me back when i try to flash Sense 4 roms etc...

Same with my Nook Color. Ram is what holds me back from using cm9. As long as I keep clearing memory, it runs smooth. So, I'm stuck with cm7.

This device will have very nice longevity because of the ram.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Good point.

I still havent seen any decent write up by an android authority discussing the application of multi core ARM packages in the current or even speculative Android environment. Screen shots of four cores being pinged is not what i am looking for. Anyone remember Pentium 4 processors with HyperThreading? What a piece those were. The architecture was inferior to AMD at the time because of the much longer instruction pipeline to name one. Clock for clock they would get creamed by the competition and all the Intel fanboys were running around screaming about "moar corez".

Also running Windows XP didnt help much with its crappy memory management, constantly thrashing your hard drive, the bottleneck of any system, while it had a couple gigs of free ram sitting idle.

I know this is all X86 talk but the ideas remain the same. I havent seen anything to say a quad core Arm 9 soc with 1Gb memory is truly going to have more legs than a dual core A15 soc with 2GB ram in a properly tweaked environment. I personally think in six months when dev work is in full gear we will see benefits only available to those with the extra memory.
[Galaxy S III General] benefit14snake:
App devs program around what's available. Didn't we have this same conversation when 1gb phones came out? And when dual cores came out? And when lte came out? And when 720p screens came out? You get my point. It may not be needed yet but soon.

Sent from my Axiom MAXX!!
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
After seeing some of the creative kernel work, especially with some MTD kernels for CM on old hardware, I am holding out to see what may come.
[Galaxy S III General] imnothimm:
I agree with pretty much everything you said except for the LTE part. I love T-mobile's HSPA+ in my area. when the SGS2 originally came out on Magenta I was getting 19mb's down consistently. if the International could be used on T-mobile's HSPA+ Network right now and not "Sometime" next year (and ideally if it would have had HSPA+ 42mb's theoretical" it would have been a no-brainer for me.

Dual core vs. Quadcore They are going to be pretty much the same on just about every level. As I said earlier I just wish the S4 would have came packaged with a better GPU (although I'm sure it will suffice for the current generation and some of the next gen games we'll be seeing shortly.

2gig's of ram will be icing on the cake for better performance and future proofing it for Later releases of Android OS.