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[HTC Sensation] Diamondback:
Please stay on topic guys. The OP makes a valid point which is even talked about on the portal.

There are multiple sides to this "issue". Some might argue that XDA is site for original development, others might say that there a place in this world for every single ROM, no matter how it was created.

In the end XDA is a public forum where we will always have different opinions.

That said, please stay civil here, or the thread will be closed.
[HTC Sensation] arabology:
I might say, the sensation development section has many ROMs with similar base, but to say ROMs are identical, then no.

And to make a note that every single device is different than the other, one ROM that works perfect for me, might not work perfectly for you, and here comes the benefit of this diversity in ROMs.
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
Never noticed identical dishes! Seems to be a nice variety of menu items!
[HTC Sensation] realsis:
Dear sir, you are incorrect!

I totally disagree. If in fact you are bothered

by the options Available here at xda I suggest you FIND ANOTHER forum. I for one am grateful for the options available to me and for ALL the developers here at this forum!.

They all have a very important contribution to this forum. SHAME on you for suggesting otherwise..we are entitled to a opinion I have mine you have yours. ::mad:
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
I'm not saying they should be all closed down, I'm saying if they don't kick off within 2 weeks - month then should we have a poll to whether they stay open or even get moved to an Early development section, or at least be able to distinguish between succeeding roms and ones with 10 downloads in 2 weeks,

I agree that people need somewhere to start developing, but should there be a lower class development section, then as a Rom grows move it to main development section?

I'm sorry for the grumpy OP, it was early and I missed the days of my HTC Wildfire's development section, each Rom had huge differences and you would pick one to match your life style, now you just pick a base,

The recent post in XDA news about cyanogen wanting people to start a Rom from scratch, build it up completely different from any other, that's what I would ideally want.

I'm sorry again for the offensive OP

I didn't get my banana today...
[HTC Sensation] kgs1992:
Now, when you calm down and talk in a suggestive manner, I can understand what you mean.

But really, is there that much scope for development? How much can change today?

How ready are you to try something that you know isn't stable?

The fact is if someone were to start off with something new, they surely wouldn't get it right the first time around. Will people be willing to risk their phones to try something new?

These questions need to be answered & any good dev would of course think of these things.

Also, you base so much on visual appearances, what have you used of the ROM that you base these claims that the ROMs are the same on? Have you seen how they work on your device?

When you are talking of the Sense 4.0 ROMs I really wonder how much of a visual difference you expect to see in Sense? Why not download a new skin? It will feel like a new ROM experience if appearance is all that counts.

These are my honest opinions & being a noob, I hope that these opinions don't offend anyone.
[HTC Sensation] yahhboy:
I don't see the point in your suggestion. The forum does that by itself, the popular roms stay on the first page while those with less users end up in the pages afterwards.

As long as devs aren't kanging each other without permission I don't see a problem with new roms. Your original argument that the sense 4 roms are all the same is understandable in a way. The devs working on sense 4 are doing an amazing job and they have gotten rid of the majority of bugs. Without thr amount of devs that are working on it, there is no way sense 4 would be where its at on our phones. You seem to be basing this "lack" of variety of roms on the ui. This argument is almost completely irrelevant at this point since the fusion.apk in sense 4 is locked down, and this is the base for the majority of ui changes on sense itself. There's probably 8 sense 4 roms and the majority are made by exceptional devs who are working together on getting sense 4 to the best state possible.

Sent from my sensational sensation 4g
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
Im as cool as a cucumber all the time anyway lol

I'm using sense 4 as an example as many have been released in past 2-3 weeks.

I would just like to see more original roms on here :)
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
We have GB, ICS, Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, Sense 3.6, Sense 4.0, MIUI, AOSP, CM... Right now the devs are working with what bases they have available to them. When JB and KLP get dropped then I'm sure those will make their way here as well, but by then you'll probably have moved on to a newer device anyways.

As was already mentioned, the popular roms stay at the top so the sorting is done automatically. If people don't like a rom it will fall back in the page count and be long forgotten!

If you want, I can make a port of cupcake for you. How different would that be!? :D
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
If you can get it working on newest firmware then yes :)

Random things like this is what I'd like to see, even a android Linux combo, being able to install android and Linux apps to one Rom would be amazing,

I liked the times when we had things like the HQ Camera mod come out, if smalled devs could work together on projects like that then the Dev section would be filled with newer stuff :)

I'm not trying to attack devs, just try to see my point, one rom doesn't stand out from another any more
[HTC Sensation] Kevc44485:
How come nobody is allowed to state their opinion on xda without somebody getting mad? I agree most of the roms are the same. And it my opinion, none of them seem to work right. Bit again, someone will disagree and tattle tail on me to a moderator or say I need to be kicked off because they disagree with my opinion. No one ever said anyone else had to agree with anyone's opinion. If you don't agree then state your opinion and step aside. Nobody needs you spamming threads with **** like "you need to be kicked off" cause someone has an opinion. The OP did not say anything about race religion creed or sexual orientation therefore he can rightfully say whatever else he wants. Grow up. If you don't like it then you have every right to go somewhere else.
[HTC Sensation] kgs1992:
Our community is awesome only because of devs, who work really hard for us.. if they leave, our sensation forum will die down. Such threads would push devs away & that's the only reason I reported this. Also, I didn't scream ban! I just wanted the mod to take a look. I am sorry if this was wrong but I only had the best interest of the community in mind..

Also, I am sorry for this OT. I just wanted to explain what I thought, if anyone cares that is.

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with beats audio
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
Yeah I understand what your saying, everyone has an opinion and I searched and couldn't find anywhere I could express it, so created this thread :)
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I gotta agree. Aside from CM9/MIUI/AOKP/Paranoid Android, most Sense 3.6/Sense 4.0 ROMs are the same.
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
They are mostly just themed differently, why can't they just make a zip of their theme and put it in the 'themes and apps' section
[HTC Sensation] matt95:
so why htc, samsung, google, motorola, huawei makes the same phones based on android? they are just themed different...aren't they?
[HTC Sensation] atrako1973:
There are proper channels to voice any concern about any rom or dev , creating a thread like this , talking generally with no detail is not the way to go
[HTC Sensation] sshede:
I get what he's saying, and I'm not gonna act like some blind forum-goer and "praise every single rom and every single 'dev' about how shweet their rom is". Take note, one rom is updated with a fix that warrants a new version of the rom. Next two days, every other rom based on it has the same fix, crediting the same guy, in the changelog.

Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I think those roms shouldn't be allowed, but there are plenty of roms that are basically a wallpaper and a theme change. I could do that in roughly 20 minutes, and upload it within an hour. Does that mean I will? No.

Those UIs are a little more than a new theme. A new camera UI with more features, a new texting application, a totally modified web browser, etc etc. Kind of a big deal. There's a touchwiz CM9 theme in the Themes and Apps section, your logic says that that's a GSIII port - when you know it's not.
[HTC Sensation] Oomike:
Is say maybe a third could be catagorized as "similar" to Ur criteria. Mike's is different then baads. Memnocs is different then hypersensation, and cm9 is different from all those. Then u have miui, ordroid, elegencia and so on and so on. All those I've named are pretty different. The ones I can't think of are on page 3. I go to page 3 sometimes. :)

Edit: there's also some on pg 1 I forgot but u get the point...
[HTC Sensation] DonDizzurp:
you know what, i agree with you.

a lot of the android development these days is just basic ports and altered themes. everything identical to another ROM besides one or two things. yet they still whine about source codes and people using their work when their work is really of someone elses. then you hold so much pride over your wallpaper tweaks and get so upset when people use your work in accordance with FLOSS and GPL as if you dont know wtf LINUX is.. lol

like that post by cyanogen, learn the basics behind developing ROMs and working with android. learn to build from source. just because you follow a step-by-step guide doesnt make you a ROM dev or chef of any kind, it just proves youre competent enough to follow basic somewhat-vague instructions.

now, although it would be nice to have nothing but top-notch ROMs, or even a seperate "beginner/early dev" section for phones that have a lot of 'dev', i cant really complain.. more choice is always good, i suppose
[HTC Sensation] Oomike:
Wait wat? Who r u agreeing with? The Roms I mentioned are Different from each other in important ways. Of course some people ( maybe a third I dunno) will be "similar" but when u learn to program u copy and make slightly different copies and get feedback. If u get noob feedback then u go to page 3
[HTC Sensation] DonDizzurp:
agreeing with the OP, not your post

and just because a ROM is crap doesnt mean it will automatically get pushed down the list

anyone can say anything and bump it back to the top of the first page..

you keep mentioning "page 3" as if ****ty ROMs will magically just move and get stuck in page 3
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
Has any one else got an opinion on this? Would like to hear it, thanks
[HTC Sensation] arabology:
Not to you, but in general...

If you don't like a ROM, don't use it :) no one is following us with a baseball bat in the development section :rolleyes:

And for sure, no thread will be closed down just coz its similar to other ROMs. As said before, everyone is free to post what they "made" here (without debating on that particular word, whether ported, themed, or tweaked, or really made!...) Unless a "Dev" Kangs (without debating on that word as well), the moderators are the police of XDA, they'll know what to do ;)
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Now that this thread became little bit more interesting.. I wanna give a shot

Yeah.. There are couple of roms.. Which looks like they just have the so called theme changes.. But in reality its not.. There is a difference just check the build.prop of each rom you flash .. May be on outside they look same.. But they are entirely not.. I am a tester for couple of roms/rom updates.. And I have seen the work they do.. Yeah they look same as they have taken the same base... But the way each dev cook is entirely different... And you can see the feel.. Yourself if you use the rom.. That is

(i am talking about the major popular sense rom's here)

Talking about the the comment made by cm founder.. Yeah starting from scratch is best way.. To develop some thing... But do you think this can be done in few days or weeks... You do know that ics has been launched 6 months ago.. But still sensation doesn't have a stable cm9...They are reaching the stable state now.. So it took 6 months for a big team to reach almost stable rom..

Now say every dev follow the same way...and most of the devs here don't have that big team as that of cm.. This way you can hardly see a total of 10 rom's.. And then you ppl blame on devs that the rom's are pretty buggy and the development is slow paced.. Even though they work their asses out.. And that too for free.

Regarding the fixes appearing on sense 4 roms:

You do know that there is no sense 4 for sensation.. So the devs have to literally take some other developers rom's and have to port it.. So in the process couple of devs found fixes for different basic issues.. So isn't it good to share the fixes between themselves? The end target is stable and smooth rom so to achieve that when one dev found a fix the other uses it with his permission.. I feel that is pretty great actually that devs are sharing their work.. Which ultimately results in best sense 4 rom

Don't take this sharing in wrong side.. See for instance when the hw acceleration is buggy.. Cappychimp, baadnwz, ivisack are frying their brains hard to fix this... For 2 continuous days.. I was there all the time.. Try to be a guinea pig for them.. To test their probable fixes and all.. And suddenly mdjeey came up with a fix and included it in his virtuous eclipse rom.. Then baad, Cappychimp, snhizlon took these fixes so that they can concentrate on other bugs...this ultimately saved lot of time.. And the development pace went up..

Let them fix this way ..until the ROM is stabilized ..then they can look into cool new features that can be added to it

My point is don't judge the rom's based on the change log... Each have its own flavor and has it pros and cons.. If you test the stuff deeply you'll find them.

IM GLAD THAT ALL THE DEVS HERE ARE DOING ONE HELL OF A JOB.. IN PROVIDING THE BEST ROM

EDIT : to the OP..there is already a feature to determine which ROM is good or not...that is the thread star rating ..and i believe that is enough to approximately say about the ROM

Sent from my pyramid.. Through blazing fast sonic waves
[HTC Sensation] OllieArmageddon:
Yeah that's fair enough, just the development section used to be filled with Quality, now its all Quantity, and like someone mentioned before, once a fix is found it is applied to all Roms within 2 days, we just don't have much to differ the Roms, we need things like animation over hall, iv seen a few animated themes were cool. We could do with Roms so different built from the same RUU that the RUU is unidentifiable behind modifications
[HTC Sensation] arabology:
If a fix is taken into another ROM, there's nothing else to be done, as there can only be one fix. Another Dev trying to make a different fix to use on his own while a fix is already out there is just pointless.
[HTC Sensation] sshede:
I don't care too much what special changes are being made, if they don't make a noticable difference, what's the point of them? The only one I can see is so the "new rom dev" can claim he has some kind of differentiation to justify his rom.

You can see the similarities though, example, Ordroid 8.6.x and InsertCoin Sense 4 1.91. Flash IC 1.91 and half way through the setup wizard is a random ORDROID logo. The roms themselves are almost identical, the changelogs - identical.

Same with the Tweaks app. I don't recall who developed it, but every one slaps their name and icon on it and call it their tweaks. InsertCoin Tweaks, OrDroid Tweaks, LeeDroid Tweaks - it's all the same ****.

I mean no disrespect, but to blatantly ignore it is not the way to go about this.
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
After I gave you so much explanation as to why the sense 4 roms are identical.. You are still complaining about it..

Fine yeah they are identical... I don't mind them be until sense 4 become stable.... Then they can apply colorful themes or dpi changes to it

Sent from my pyramid.. Through blazing fast sonic waves
[HTC Sensation] Alipk52:
I Totally agree with you, just like i remember not too long ago, there was only Shinzlon who was making Sense 4.0 Development, that time only a bluetooth issue took several weeks to get fixed, and since baadnewz, cappychimp,mdeejay entered Sense 4 development, you can see we are using almost almost fully functional sense 4 ROM now, so i am sure if shinzlon would still been working on it all alone, he would still been figuring out how to fix hw acceleration, so i believe,two is always better than one, now all devs working on sense 4 ROMs have an additional time to look something else in the ROM.
[HTC Sensation] DaReDeViL:
Hello Pyramid fans.

Don't throw me in hell as I do agree with the OP. I tried every single rom available in dev section, even those on "page 3" :D but I keep on going back to stock rom as I don't feel any real advantage with custom roms. Most of the "discovered" tweaks concern build.prop which can be edited by any noob. The "new" or "ported" libs/files/apks can be flashed via cwm or pushed via abd. The majority of the scripts included in custom roms just aren't tweaking things, but enabling things while breaking others, like changing oom or vm cache or heap size or playing with voltage and frequencies...etc.

Finally, I have ONE EXPLANATION for what the OP noticed : HTC did a great job with their latest ruu. It's so perfect that all custom roms keep on turning around it but not offering its stability and quality (in long term)...

That being said, I don't say the devs work is useless. NO. They're just genious and I'll keep testing their roms as long as my pyramid can handle it.

Thank you for respecting my opinion ... Bye
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nileshwagholikar:
Is official ICS available for India for Arc LT15i?
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tarun.krthkr:
Ya its out Update it using SEUS if you did'nt unlock ur bootloader...if unlocked u can find the roms in general section download it and flash it using flashtool....

Download SEUS(Sony Update Service) from here http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/tools/update-service/
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xtacy!:
Is it? I wasn't aware of that. Can you make the .ftf for that and upload it?
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tarun.krthkr:
Since I came from Samsung phones like sl,nexus s and s2 I don't know much abt tft files...fyi I updated it through the latest SEUS...;-) and I am struggling to root it... I think .62 GB was much faster...
[Galaxy S III General] corrsea:
Thought I would start a Kiwi thread.

Had one on pre order from Warehouse Stationary @ $949 but cancelled today as Noel Leeming are selling them @ $839.20. Marble White 16.gb. In theory it's a Vodafone device but there is no branding of any sort. Device is sim free. Manufactured in Vietnam. Still finding my way with it. First impressions all good. What has impressed me most so far is the Gps. Cold start, out of the box, indoors and 2-3 seconds 16/17 fixed sats!
[Galaxy S III General] signzero:
Got mine from 2degrees today on contract with $0 up front. Very happy with it. Upgraded from a Galaxy Nexus. Wish I waited for the Pebble Blue but the launch promo ended today :mad:
[Galaxy S III General] jstockda:
I had the white on order with warehouse stationery but for the last 2 days they have said it is with the courier. Ended up cancelling and went elsewhere. Voda firmware but no branding on the phone. Enjoying it so far:)
[Galaxy S III General] NZtechfreak:
Hi chaps! I was the first in NZ to get one at the Voda midnight release sale, loving it so far!

Cheap plug: Make sure to check out AndroidNZ.net for great locally produced content on Android and the S3.
[Galaxy S III General] P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
Wasn't going to pick one up until I noticed the same $840 Noel Leeming deal. I think I might have got the last one in stock across the country - was walking out of the store empty handed until the retail assistant called us back saying that another guy that was meant to pick it up wasn't going to afterall

Oh, the phone itself... It will be the first Samsung smartphone, no actually first non-HTC smartphone I've used for more than a few weeks. Should be interesting to say the least - oh and TouchWiz isn't a hunk of junk, might stay stock for a little while
[Galaxy S III General] NZtechfreak:
Yep, this iteration of TouchWiz is very usable, I'm not feeling any particular pressure to install an alternate launcher just not either.

Be interested to know your thoughts, in particular in comparison to the One X.
[Galaxy S III General] P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
Currently writing a short piece on the comparison for TelecomTech, updated with everything I've learnt since the time I wrote the last one and 24 hours with the S3
[Galaxy S III General] corrsea:
First impressions on battery life are very good. I've not gone through a full charge discharge cycle yet and have been using it heavily last night and lightly this morning. Basically everything on except haptic feedback.
[Galaxy S III General] corrsea:
And just before it finally died
[Galaxy S III General] mp3geek:
I sold my S2 for $550, paid $944 at jb's... now I'm waiting for more custom roms
[Galaxy S III General] P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
30% left on first full discharge, 17.5 hours, just over 4 hours of display time so far

Idle time is very impressive or is that just me?

Where are the lockscreen options and how do I make the notification area accessible from the lockscreen?
[Galaxy S III General] jstockda:
From the standard lock screen you should be able to just swipe down as you would from the home screen to get into the notification bar.
[Galaxy S III General] Wadelo:
Well after 4 days of ownership I am absolutely loving this phone, the battery life, the slickness of the included apps, and TW5. Samsung have ventured into a new territory which whilst not perfect TW5 includes enough tweaks and options to suggest that not only are listening to their consumers and adapting to suit but they have come up with a UI that imho offers a better experience than AOSP, I think they have actually added value to AOS and put an almost iOS-que polish over top
[Galaxy S III General] and1nz:
Got New S3

just got mine a few days ago from JB Hifi for $988 with 16gb micro sd

and just putting it through its paces installing apps and games

The GPS on the S3 is amazing compared to other s's a had a location within 8 seconds and i turn off all data and WiFi capabilities

the big games on s3 like GTA3 run smoothly (bringing back memories of playing this game on my Win ME PC)

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what i normally do when a get a battery type device (phone, laptop, etc) is to charge it till it says 100% then discharge it fully to 0% then charge it up again. This will ensure you have a long battery capacity in the future
[Galaxy S III General] corrsea:
Got to agree that battery life, GPS, screen, sound etc are all great. The only thing I don't like is touchwiz so I have gone back to Go launcher, which by the way really flies on this.

Picked up a nice mercury clip on case today plus screen protector from the telecom shop. Must say both actually add to the look and feel of the phone rather than take away from it.

I've not rooted yet but but probably will by the weekend. I'm enjoying the stock Rom but am definitely looking forward to cm9 and aokp roms to see what this baby can really do :-)

I'm not impressed with the 'sticky' horizontal scrolling which I believe is an ICS feature. Other than that everything's good.
[Galaxy S III General] 0semaj0:
can anyone confirm that inital stocks are manufactured in Vietnam?
[Galaxy S III General] corrsea:
Yes mine is.