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[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
You speak about being biased but You are very biased as well. You have done nothing but continue to claim the dual core is better and put the quad core down. You reject any claim otherwise and continue to state the s4 is better.. that sounds pretty biased to me considering you havent had either device in your hands. I for one am TRULY unbiased. I have been on the fence on which one to get for a while now. But see at least I have a choice :) I think part of you defending the s4 to it's death is because you have no choice in the matter (unless you switch carriers) So I think part of this is trying to make yourself feel like it's better so you dont regret getting the s4 model.

I am still on the fence but I am leaning more towards the Quadcore because Having a fluid UI that doesnt stutter is important to me. I like eye candy and things to be fluid. Which it seems the quadcore wins in. Also if the S4 version does not have the wolfson chip in it, it will make me lean even more towards the quadcore. I'm a musician and sound/music(especially from ear buds) is VERY important to me. LTE Is not very important to me as HSPA+ serves my needs and I'm on wifi 90% of the time anyway. I honestly REFUSE to make a final decision until I at LEAST see an in depth side by side video of the two

to me it all boils down to personal preference. Both are great devices, both are very powerful. It all comes down to your needs and preference. Arron from PD did say the s4 is faster, but the quad is more fluid and in a tweet to me said it was more "consistent" https://twitter.com/PhoneDog_Aaron/status/215307170466627584

And for me consistency is better, for others speed might be better. All I know is deciding which one to get is having my head spin, but I do think I'm leaning more toward the international
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there about being bias with James.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
no what he did was use a personal approach to address his frustrations with a non-personal comment and was long-winded in doing it.....don't take things so personally guise

I said to "take out the biased earplugs" because you either:

A. didn't even watch the video and commented anyways

or

B. watched it and heard the exact opposite of what was said, presumably because of a pre-existing bias.

So there you have it. We are all biased of course, that should not even be a topic of discussion. Accept it and move on. I know you're biased, as am I, nor do I care, nor should you.

I honestly believe after much research and past experience that today the Exynos Quad is better if you are playing games and benchmarking, but that with time the S4 will more than make up for anything you may perceive as an inadequacy with time and development. (does that make me an evil biased person?)

Personally LTE is a must have. Gaming/benchmarking performance is not. For the regular tasks of the device the minuscule benefits of the Exynos quad would not appreciably change my user experience at all and arguably would not change anyone's experience other than those obsessed with gaming performance or benchmarking their phone. Not having LTE however would have a huge impact and could potentially benefit even those who opt out of it. If they lived in a LTE area they could benefit from faster data. If they decide they don't want it fine, that doesn't change the fact they could get benefits from having it. However the same cannot be said for gaming performance or benchmarking. Being able to run AnTuTu can not in any way shape or form make my device do anything faster that matters to me, other than benchmarking of course. Benchmarking e-peen? Not sure.....

/rant
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
Pretty spot on.

Plus, if your able to turn off LTE.....hello ~30%(estimation) extra battery life.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
How are you going to deny your track record where you have actually gone out of your way to try and convince others that the S4 is better in topics where it wasn't even the point of discussion? That's pretty bias right there, and yes I admit sometimes I posted some things just because I knew if there was anything negative about the S4 you would be quick to defend it.

What the other user is pointing out that it's pretty hypocritical to call someone else bias when you obviously are.

I don't really care or need to keep making super long post which are just reiterations of my other post that regulars here have probably read 100 times already. I already know my decision works %100 for me. And if and when I transfer to OC where the LTE is 25 mbps, then I'll probably go in store and purchase the S4 version over the counter if my new work place doesn't have a wireless T1 connection or fios isn't offered at home.

Lastly, you keep talking about LTE like it's a godsend but keep forgetting that in the majority of places it's capped to 2gbs. So what? drive a ferrari in a parking lot?

Again, you're lucky James that you jumped on and have grandfathered over your unlimited plan and I envy you. It's no brainer to get LTE and unlimited data as you can tether the hell out of that. But not many have such luck, and it's just not worth driving the ferrari in a parking lot for $15 more.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I didnt call you biased. I created an inanimate thing called biased earplugs, worn by people who hear what they want to hear. I already explained that in the last post. Ironically i also flat put admitted and embraced my own and your biased ways but again you somehow didnt read it that way. Do we need unbiased glasses too? Hey nothing personal but listen and read before replying.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Lol, you do now but people don't forget. It took multiple threads, post and Mods even giving you warnings because you accused me and CEO of being homosexual to finally admit your bias. It took a lot of work for you to get at this point and you probably only did it because we all started to notice that you had a ongoing crusade against the international version. But cheers to you for opening your mind as you post a lot here and it just makes our community better.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I have no idea where the mod warnings and homosexuality parts came from......lol

Are you sure you have the right person? I know ceo called ME gay and once posted something about my penis but I have no idea how you got what you got from that....ROFL

Whatever, rawk with it.
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
*didn't follow thread closely enough to understand what is currently going on about homosexuality lulz.....
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
And I wasn't voicing frustration about your one comment... I was voicing it based on a good majority of your posts.. You have mentioned biased people in other posts as well, not just the one I responded to. After reading through numerous threads that you have posted in it's clear you are probably one of the most biased when it comes to this topic. Even going on and on about it in threads that werent anything about it. You have constantly defended the S4 and stating it's the better chip and shoot down anything anyone says to counter it.

You also said we are all biased, but I'm not. I'm still in the fence even though I'm leaning more towards the international. One is better at some things and the other is better at others.. that's the true unbiased way to look at it.

And why haven't they created a Verizon GS3 forum yet? They have one for the other carriers.. I hope soon so you can leave this forum and go where you belong. Maybe your propaganda will be better accepted there

And I mentioned nothing about it getting better benchmarks.. there you go putting it down yet again. to me it's about the UI being smooth, fluid and consistent and the quadcore wins at that so it seems
[Galaxy S III General] RMXO:
Some of you folks are funny in expressing your opinions on which one is better & long winded in your explanation. With that said, to each their own.

Here's one of many very short ways in deciding which one is better for you (of course these ideas have already been stated many times over).

If you are into Productivity then stick with the S4 w/ 2 GB RAM & LTE.

If you are into games, unbranded & faster dev support then stick with the Int i9300.

Can't we all get a long w/o the name callings & gotta love when sexual preferences is thrown in a debate. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] lude219:
Never seen someone so entrenched in LTE that they had to troll a thread that's not even ABOUT LTE. :D

Not everyone gives a **** about LTE for 1) im not torrenting or watching netflix on every waking bit of my life, 2) LTE is crap if you're not on Verizon or located in a major metropolitan area, 3) DAT PRICE GOUGING for LTE :D

Anywho, to answer this thread, I opted for the QC+1gb of ram. The totality of the overall performance puts the exynos QC over the S4 DC, and being that i only use a handful of much needed apps, the 1gb of ram will be aplenty. Another deal breaker for ME would be the ~24mos ownership cost of this phone:

((30 3gb data + 20 text) x 24) + 200 = $1400/2yr if i sign a contract with AT&T

((15 unlim data + 5 text) x 24) + 670 = 1150/2yr if I keep the plan I currently have.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Well I think you are great. Thanks for the insight.
[Galaxy S III General] alex13809:
Korean

I'm waiting for news about the korean version, it's supposed to have quad core + the 2GB of ram + the LTE. If its true than definitely that one, but otherwise I'm really torn between the faster CPU+GPU or 2GB of ram.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Which quad core though? If its the Exynos with LTE on top thats going to be a power hog. Dont get upset Exynos fans, thats just plain true. If there is a Qualcomm quad coming it will be less so based on the numbers.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
No that's not true, the S4 was only picked for the US because of convenience.

Because the LTE chip is integrated, but that's only necessary because of the LTE frequencies in America, but that's not the situation in Korea.

But I suppose someone as arrogant as you would think that Samsung are idiots and they don't know what they are doing when it comes to building products and they would release a terrible, battery eating version in Korea but that they would look after the US and give them a "better" version. No. Samsung are Korean, they are up against LG in Korea and they are major rivals there. Its their home market and they wouldn't release a bad version there.

You don't like the exynos version, we get it, now grow up and let it go because you are making a fool of yourself.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
So you are telling me the Exynos with an additional LTE radio is going to use less power than a Krait Quad with integrated LTE radio? The Korean version would have to have an LTE radio either way if it supports LTE at all and everything I have seen has the S4 being more efficient all things equal being comparing both with LTE or without.

This is basic stuff man. No spin, no BS. You can drop all the personal remarks anytime. I am purely on topic, please reign it in yourself.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Let's just put it this way, you don't even have the phone.

You shouldn't be here singing the praises of a chip in a phone you don't even have.

You are reading stuff from the internet and basing your views on that.

Time for you to be quiet now and stop trolling.

I for one am going to ignore everything you post from now on.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
Thanks for staying on topic and answering the question. Now that he's done venting would someone else like to take their own guess at which quad it would be?
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/06/ko...-packs-a-quad-core-processor-with-2gb-of-ram/
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I never said it wouldnt use the Exynos by the way....i speculated that it would be a power hog if they did compared to the same setup with a quad krait. Nobody was ever debating what you seem to be wanting to prove. Your ignore feature is broken too btw. :)
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
My bad, I was still on the power topic, I assumed you were unable to answer since you ignored.
[Galaxy S III General] ceo.mtcl:
I really wish us version has good development community... one of my colleagues is waiting for the us version and he's already jealous of CM9 and AOKP that I've got running on international version.

Aosp runs like butter on it. It beats my wife's iPhone 4S in fluidity.

Also one more point to consider... I've already owned this phone for just under three weeks now... in terms of technology I'm (and many others in this forum) very impatient and holding this beast early means a lot to me. For those who are not technology early adopters and don't mind waiting for a month or so, should actually wait for at least a week now ... see actual reviews and then buy international version... errr... I mean then make their choice.
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
If you don't need LTE it is definitely better to get the international version IMO. In theory, the S4 is gold but that is just theory and no one knows if the stutter will ever be removed. Also if you do not plan to route, the carrier bloat ware and branding looks terrible.

I think battery life(if you disable LTE) will be better on the S4 though and it probably runs cooler.

The battery life is sick on the international though. I am impressed.
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
nobody should even worry about carrier bloat though

root + TiBu + custom roms/kernels = no carrier bloat and increased performance :D

i never consider any stock features in software good bad or indifferent
[Galaxy S III General] ferris2375:
What the hell stutter are you guys talking about?

First of all he is comparing a phone that has NO carrier software on it to a phone that has at least 10 apps installed AND RUNNING by AT&T. Disable those programs then compare. I did and but even when I didn't there was no stutter.

Ridiculous.

Think about benchmarking 2 PC's, except on one you load up 10 applications before you benchmark. Seem like a fair start for that PC? No.
[Galaxy S III General] Hunt3r.j2:
Snapdragon S4 variant will be better for multitasking and CPU-bound tasks, Exynos wins pretty hard on the GPU-bound tasks and for heavily threaded CPU usage situations.
[Galaxy S III General] kotaro_14:
The difference in speed is almost not noticeable I've used The One X S4 and it's speed is really fast. You must remember that the design of the S4 is based on the A-15 architecture, so that's why it is fast for even a dual-core, Exynos 4412 is still using the same design as the Exynos 4210, just a Quad-core. The 2GB of RAM will probably futureproof yourself a bit more.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Its not the same design as the 4210.

Its am optimised version of the A-9 arch.

With HKMG (high k metal gate)

And its not 45nm its 32nm.

Its a big difference.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Definitely dual with 2gb ram for now. See my thread over at the At&T GS3 forum. The US version does not have this issue. Multitasking is also significantly better.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1727034

---------- Post added at 09:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:10 AM ----------

It's still the same old A9 architecture but manufactured on a smaller process to improve power efficiency. Please show us the source of information where it says the 4412 is an optimized version of the A9.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Taken from phonearena.com (will get better source later on laptop)

"Moreover, the power consumption advantage of Cortex-A15 vs A9 comes for a large part from the die shrink, and the Exynos 4412 is already shrunk to 32nm, plus it actually sports some A15 features like internal 128-bit instructions support, and has a proprietary ISP like*HTC's ImageChip, for all those camera and motion sensing shenanigans of the Galaxy S III."

So as it says there it is not the standard A-9.

Link:http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-specs-review_id30043/page/3
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
It's pretty close to the standard a9. The cores are still virtually the same.

The krait is a hybrid of the a15 and a9 but shares more with the a15.

There's a lot more that goes into power saving than a die shrink and hkmg.

A simple way to put it is the two krait cores are basically just as fast as four exynos cores and in every day use only two cores are used unless benchmarking or playing games.

With 3g only use. Expect around 2 hours extra display time web browsing.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Care to back that up?

I'd like to see your source.

Hkmg reduces power leakage by 30-100%
[Galaxy S III General] schiphol:
My i7 and i3 notebooks are equally fast in daily use, yet the i7 costs around 2.5 times more. Fact is, the quad core is almost twice as fast in most benchmarking tests, meaning it simply is faster. The (in my view useless) 2 vs 1 gb upgrade is only there to keep american customers, in the midst of dirty ecosystem games between qualcomm and carriers, happy with an otherwise inferior (sound chip, speed) phone.

I'm consistently getting 6.2 hrs of display time on my international sgs3. So I assume the Krait is doing 8.2?
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
That's good to know. But support for 128 bit internal bus by itself doesn't mean much unless they can specifically state that it improves performance/ IPC or even memory bandwidth. Anyway looking at single threaded cpu benchmark like benchmarkpi doesn't show the 4412 as anything special over the standard A9. My one xl is always 25%-30% faster at 270ms compared to 350ms on the sgs3 which actually lower than on the one x tegra 3.
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
The stutter was still there on my HTC One XL, no matter what I cleaned up and no matter what launcher I used. Not ridiculous at all. Calm down buddy, just because you can't notice it, it doesn't mean that it isn't there. Hahaha
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
how about lets see a list of A9 features and A15 features and see which one checks more of the boxes. because from what I have read the Krait is far closer to the original Cortex A15 design than the Exynos ever thought about being......because the Exynos 4412 is a die-shrunken tweaked A9 for the most part.

Sure they both have things in common, but the IPC on a core to core comparison shows the tweaked A15 architecture that is Krait being superior to the tweaked die shrunken A9 in the Exynos. Which one would you want to have a year from now? I think both will fare well but there are features that the A15 architecture brings to the Qualcomm Krait S4 that the Samsung Exynos 4412 will never be able to duplicate. Throwing more cores at Android from my reading is going to have little benefit. Dual core is barely being utilized as it is.

Name how many apps for Android actually utilize dual cores and then imagine how many use four cores......so unless your idea of fun is sitting and running AnTuTu benchmarks....the "moar corez is bettar" approach is one of dimishing returns where the higher efficieny per clock of the A15 based technology is sure to have legs no matter how many cores are there further into the devices life.

If the Exynos was a dual, the Krait would be faster by a decent margin.....to put it another way, it takes four older tech based A9 Exynos cores with a die shrink to keep close to the tweaked A15 Krait with two cores.

I collected a lot of A9/A15 info in

this thread

for anyone who wants to really begin to learn about the differences.

The fact that you can have dual Krait cores and LTE radio in one package and get similar battery life as the Exynos quad without LTE, and get roughly the same performance in anything that matters is no small feat. (this excludes synthetic benchmarks, because they don't matter)
[Galaxy S III General] schiphol:
+1. But then, there is hardly any activity in those forums so Qcom fanboys come here to defend their purchase. Enjoying my crystal clear sound on wolfson dac while looking at Mali-powered 3d animations. WOW!
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
I don't think Android Jelly bean 4.1 is going to come anywhere close to taxing either a suped up A9 or a gimped A15. So I think the performance you get now is what you are going to get. Yes the krait is better per core but it is not per core, it is 4 against 2 and so far, it seems like the 4 tigers can take the two Grizzly bears no problem even if one Grizzly can probably beat one tiger. And since the krait isn't even a real A15, it is more like a really strong black bear rather than a grizzly.

These are the only real facts or really loose facts, besides the ARM comments which is legit because they are the highest source.

- ARM and software engineers say the A15 smokes A9.

- Qualcomm claims the Krait is basically an A15 for marketing purposes.

- HTC and Samsung might suck with this new A15 architecture.

- According to some reviewers, the international GS3 is smoother.

What people want to make out of this is up to them.
[Galaxy S III General] Vibrant03:
ICS ,the ui is gpu accelerated,s4 krait with weak gpu... The outcome? Stutters...

I saw some reviews of the us versions , yes they don't look smooth.. The software doesn't seem optimize for s4...

Am no expert.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Actually, the reviews all said the international one is better.

Which is to be expected given wolfsons stellar record.

Glad we can get voodoo, its gonna be magic! ;)
[Galaxy S III General] schiphol:
I was just listing things you can't do on your prize dual core phone that I can. Hey guess what's making looking at those animations so exciting. Oh wait that's another thing you cannot do, legally that is ;-). Take care buddy.
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
Its only 4 tigers vs 2 grizzly bears in benchmarks and games. Otherwise everything else is 2 vs 2.

As for the weak gpu...nothing is really taxing the adreno, ui acceleration is hardly maxing it out if at all so its not a reason for stuttering. I've read the exynos quad stutters must mean it's a weak gpu......the galaxy nexus doesn't stutter with an sgx 535?? It's far behind the adreno also
[Galaxy S III General] LNJ:
You personally choose?

You mean you had no option cause you needed LTE!

I bet you would have chosen the Exynos if the Krait had no LTE!
[Galaxy S III General] neyenlives:
I could have purchased the Intl/ variant or one of the other US variants without LTE and used HSPA+ data instead on the ATT network or similar here in the states. So yes, I did have a choice. I have unlimited 4G LTE broadband service that I pay for and am very happy with and use endlessly. So my choice needed to align with how I intend to use it. I have no intention of playing games on my phone and every intention of running multiple web/internet based applications at the same time. So the choice was clear. After doing some research and finding out the S4 Krait was actually just as capable and was the more advanced technology all things considered, it became even easier to make that choice.
[Galaxy S III General] LNJ:
So again, you had no choice cause you had unlimited LTE plan that would have gone to waste if you had gotten the quad core!

End of story bro....no need to keep justifying how your S4 is better than the Exynos!

It's better for you cause you had no choice!