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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Thx for this list!

I now know that its been exactly 100 days since i've been able to use my prime for gaming without having them crashing all the time.

I love this product but this thing was marketed as a gaming machine with tegra3.. I was thinking about using it as a gaming console with my bluetooth gamepad. It works! Its fun. I played through about half of MC3 on my TV. Had to restart the tablet like 10 times just to play the first half of the game.

Is there any improvement on this in the new betas? I really dont care about a UI lag plz let us fix these gaming issues!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] point_pt:
Any feedback on 28.5 from the new beta testers?

Since all the 30 chosen ones are from XDA, why there are any news here??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wextercz:
maybe, they are testing JB, so they cant tell us.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
I sincerely hope so, but I suspect not.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hawke84:
Yeah bit too early i think....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wextercz:
why do you think it is too soon? Nexus 7 = Asus = Tegra 3 = Asus Prime... :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ready2Mosh:
No more flash support once Jelly Bean hits. That has me torn right there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ylexot:
That's easy to overcome. Back up the app now, restore it on JB. The app works on JB (according to reports).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] st33med:
They are probably under an NDA agreement. If they talk about it they could get sued for violating a legal contract. Gary probably gave permission to demandarin to talk about it which is why we have this thread.

We shall see about the update. It COULD have Jelly Bean, but no guarantees. I'd actually bet against a JB update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vincepg13:
Of course were going to get a jelly bean update Asus aren't flipping retarded. It's just not going to be as soon as people want it to be.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] st33med:
That's what I mean. Asus will release Jelly Bean for our tablet, but it most likely won't be this update. I'd be pleasantly surprised if it is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ylexot:
If it is "28.5", it is not JB.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
This. The first number of the complete version number denotes the Android version. Which is why 8 became 9 when we got ICS. JB will be 10.x.x.x.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
This. I had 28.5 on my tablet for a while before I left to go on my vacation, it's ICS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
Adobe is no longer supporting it, but it will likely still work. I have JB on my Galaxy Nexus and flash works fine in the browser

After my experiences with the Prime, I beg to differ.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sparkym3:
The only caveat to flash working is that mobile chrome will be the pre-installed browser which does not support flash even if it is installed. So, you would have to have flash installed and install a browser that supports the use of it.

I assume you are using a browser other than chrome nyijedi.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
Correct, I'm using the old "stock" browser. On the Jelly Bean rom that leaked from Google I/O, this browser is still included. I know that Google is moving towards Chrome as the default browser with the official release of JB, but I'm wondering whether they may still leave the old stock browser installed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
1. 28.5 is an improvement but not a cure all.

2. There is no JB firmware available at this time for beta testers.

3. There is no NDA.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
Cool Gary posted again.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pbelcomp:
Gary's update for today.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I really hope it will fix the charging problem 28 did to the this prime I have. It made the tablet think its not charging and always at 0%... Im not even sure if its charging or trickle charging using the charger, but the tablet never last for more than 2-3 hours. I already have an RMA ready for the second time and want to try the new update before shipping this one...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kevinm2k:
Mine trickle charges if plugged directly in to the prime, fine through keyboard. I'm not rma'ing again after my last experience. Just hope someone finds the fix, I'll just pay to get it done
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] v1ks:
Has anyone got the link to the best testing? i sent my details to Gary but didnt get a link to download the beta.

would be interesting to know if the beta firmware has been any good.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
Gary's been managing the beta test. If he hasn't sent you a link, he doesn't want you to have one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
This. If people leak the beta build it could jeopardize the Asus/XDA communication/support we currently have.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vvveith:
Yes.

We were all told not to share our experience with anyone. So Beta testers unless otherwise informed can not share much information or lose the opportunity to remain a beta tester. I am one, but just do not use the tablet very much anymore so I will decline being involved in the future, sorry but I am disappointed that I have a buggy tablet and spent countless hours with it for months and months to no resolve and now try to enjoy testing for who knows how long. I just can't muster up the dedication needed to spend quality time on my Prime. Just wish I could get my money back but ASUS told me forget that pal, we will replace it but first RMA it and we will determine if it's acceptable according to our standards, which I imagine must be pretty low after hearing all the negative reports that resound my sentiments exactly. Sorry, and yes, no JB in this build.:eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
Well that post was a downer for many reasons :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mekrel:
Don't forget, if you live outside of the USA, Asus do not recognise you as actually existing. Hence why only Americans can beta test firmware and why only American's details were collected with the whole "GPS shipping black hole".

Probably why Gary hasn't bothered to reply to my 3+ week old PM either, or he's following his employers attitude to its consumers and just ignoring me until time brushes me under the carpet.

Oh look, as I type this, my status bar is doing a little jump up and down dance. How lovely of it to throw some dance moves for me.....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
Given that the United States is the only true positive contributor to the world economy, it makes sense.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
Damn. I'm gonna miss this thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordwolden:
Have you tried the 30 sec reset button trick yet? I had to open mine to fix it but some claim 30 sec reset button will do.

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That's by far the funniest post I've ever read! LOL
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] djmcnz:
Lol

"Subprime mortgage" anyone?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
Another week to get this beta out and then more weeks of testing then a final while the rest of the world is moving to Jelly Bean? :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
Stay classy :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
Hmmm, Gary never told me to keep my experience with 28.5 secret, just not to leak the build, like he always says.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Naoy:
He didn't hear about it, the cause of crisis... People talking about economy without knowledge are funny.

To get back to the main topic, I don't understand why the beta are still private... It should be public with a warning.

Envoyé depuis mon Transformer Prime TF201 avec Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Restorer:
So c'mon then. How are you finding it? Let's have a report ;).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
When I was running it (which was from June 13th up until last Monday) I didn't have any problems with it. Then again I didn't have significant problems with .28 either, which I also beta tested.

I'm away on a vacation staying with my friends in Erie, PA and decided to leave my tablet at home to keep it safe, which is why I said up until last Monday earlier.

Not a whole lot to really report though. ANRs in the browser were almost completely taken care of, I only had maybe one or two of them in my time using it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoMagus:
Beta testers,

Please let Gary or whoever know about the Left side tearing/artifacts issue that popped up for us in .28. Also seen here. Whether its a driver issue or whatever it needs addressed
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Restorer:
Did you ever try browser2ram before? If so how does the beta compare? Is it anything like as fast and smooth?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
Okie Dokie will do. Seems to happen more often for me when playing back flash content.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] effezie:
Can the artifacts or maybe it's screen tearing be caused by the app? I ask that because I installed text maker and immediately after the install, I got the 1/2" wide, thin black lines from top to bottom on the left side. Rebooted and they went away. Haven't had a problem since and didn't have any before.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoMagus:
Happens to me on the homescreen not in an app usually after I pick it up after not using it awhile..only way to stop it is to reboot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I've never tried it, so I'm not sure how it compares.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
Hey SteveG12543, is SQLite any better on 28.5?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I don't know, I didn't test it while running 28.5. I'll be out of town until early August, so I can't exactly test it anytime soon lol. :o
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
A little patience would help - the Nexus 7 hasn't even begun being shipped yet!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
So what does Gary's latest post mean exactly?

Another beta based on the results of 28.5? Huh?

The worst part of all this is that, from what I can tell, they're doing months of work and testing (from .21 up to and including .28.5) to try to fix problems with what is more or less a single app... the browser (I realize the multithreaded aspects, but Gary keeps saying the builds are targeting browser fixes.)

When you think about it, that's pretty painful. And, from early reports, it seems 28.5 doesn't even 100% fix it (testers have reported ANRs with 28.5)...

So, a single problem, and they can't fix it.

I really wish Asus would come clean. It feels as if they're just stalling at this point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] djmcnz:
Since the N7 has similar hardware you might thing the effort to roll JB out to the Prime would be less than fixing ICS.

I bet JB on the N7 has been rigorously tested by Google and doesn't have these problems.

Having said that, I put money now on it being a hardware limitation. Cheep NAND.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Agreed, and that's what I mean by "come clean".

If they really have resources working on it and can't even get the browser running properly, it definitely points to much bigger problems.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bjfrank:
I thought Chrome is replacing the browser in JB? Wouldn't this pretty much fix the browser issues if it isn't an option anymore? I don't see why they are spending so much time on the browser if they will eventually upgrade us to JB. I would rather see them work on resolution of me having to restart my prime everytime I want to play several of the games I have. It is embarassing when others are watching and I have to restart just to get a game to work.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rebelwithoutacause:
That's why I rarely use the stock web browser and prefer Google Chrome. With Chrome I am able to browse the web without experiencing any issues. The only "downside" is that it doesn't support Flash, but that's not really a big deal. Especially with the ever growing popularity of HTML5.

It would be great if Gary could push ASUS towards working on releasing Jellybean to our Prime tablets. I think that with Jellybean the Prime will finally be able to truly demonstrate its performance. :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ratman6161:
If it's mainly browser fixes, then what would be the point since in 4.1 the browser is replaced with Chrome. If this is the case then stalling actually makes sense. Why waste a lot of time fixing something that will be going away in another month or two? And we can all fix it ourselves right now by just installing chrome.

Personally I have never really used the built in browser. By the time I got my TP, the chrome beta was already available so I've been using that from the beginning and have found it to be great - as long as you can live without flash.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cenonmin:
IMO forget about trying to fix the browser and fix speed and stability! Fix this and browser will go away.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
when I was stock setup, I only got ANR with stock browser. never had that issue with opera mobile. but for me, .28.5 did improve stock browser.

I think the root of the problem is finding out why everyone's prime doesn't behave the same after an update. some take well to it. some show no changes. for others the experience gets worse.

@Shinzz lol. you funny. it was just the way you posted that that came off the wrong way. your second response, clarifying your intentions, was much better. should've went with that first ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mekrel:
Users and Asus discussing the browser are barking up the wrong tree in my opinion. I don't understand all the noise around thread priority changes because a thread can only process as quickly as the slowest point in the system and for the Prime, that's the I/O (if the thread includes data being written to the disk, which of course does happen with web browsing cache).

My guess is that maybe the thread priority changes are actually a cover up by Asus rather than fixing the real issue. It's entirely possible to have an application be unresponsive without the Android system knowing about it and triggering the Wait/Kill option dialogue.

Until Gary Key announces that they're aware of the I/O issues and have found the root cause, I'll continue to be sceptical about these firmware fixes that are being beta tested. I just don't see how Asus can't spot the Elephant in the room that is the fact they're using very old MMC drivers and code in their kernel.

If I had to use an analogy, it's like a very obvious dam breaking and causing mass flooding and rather than combating the source of the problem by lining the river banks with sand bags and anti flood defences; Asus are plugging up their doors and windows with kitchen roll....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Browser fixes? :( i use ics+/chrome and never have issues...

I thought they would fix my games finally... guess it won't happen until JB.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Peter Galbavy:
Exactly. But the problem in this forum is the large population of, for want of a better word, "wannabes" who find a cargo-cult style "fix" that they are positive is correct, declare it to the world and that must have been it. No kids, this stuff is complicated and takes quite a lot of knowledge, experience and analytical skill to deal with and giving Asus an out by pretending you know how to shake some sticks, twirl a crystal and magically makes things better is not helping with the pressure that we should be bring to bear on the shoddy QA and maintenance by Asus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cenonmin:
I agree on the I/O issues. There are other threads that already show the IO to be a bottleneck. The ASUS should stop ignoring this and FIX IT! then I think we will see the Prime perform as it should have been ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Stay on topic guys! This is about beta testing and not about complaints, rants, trolling or flaming!!

Thread cleaned.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
its been a month since .28

would asus be releasing .28.5? or are we looking to skip .28.5 and have a new beta to test?

how is the beta testing coming along?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] edster00:
I don't think ASUS has a clue; I think they are shooting in the dark...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
Unlock or wait?

Do we know anything about the new firmware? Any ETAs maybe?

I'm really thinking about unlocking my Prime and going custom rom, but I kinda want to give a last chance to Asus to put together a decent rom. So what do the beta testers say, should I wait more?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shreddintyres:
Save yourself the wait, go ahead and unlock and flash any aokp based rom or wookie and you will be much happier
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tlbradshaw:
.28.5 Beta Tester

Hey guys,

I've been running the .28.5 beta for a little over a week now. I am happy to report that I have not had a single ANR in the stock browser. The first time I tried to play Shadowgun, it did lock up right after I started shooting, but after a reboot it now plays fine. I thought maybe it was a memory issue and it would crop back up, but after several days it still plays fine. Quadrant kept crashing on my too, but after clearing the cache it now runs fine.

It also seems like the Chrome browser is running a little faster, but maybe that's just me.

Take this all with a grain of salt as I've never had most of the problems most of you have reported. I have a Stock Prime with most of the major apps installed. I have mainly been plauged with browser ANR's, and Dark Meadows not displaying (which is working fine now).

I'll try to keep you updated if there are any new beta's or if I find anything that doesn't seem to work in this build.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] valentinrascu:
I don't eat this. Is imposibile to run stock browser perfecly

Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 con Tapatalk 2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] svladimir:
Second that. Unlocked couple of day ago, can't be happier with my Prime now. Fast and stable, which means it's issues are not of a hardware nature. Why can't Asus 'borrow' xda developers achievements ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pileot:
Most of the "fixes" i have seen have reduced or alltogether eliminated many checks to make sure data is not lost. This could mean that potentially very important information could be lost, storage corruption, lots of bad things. Doesnt mean it WILL happen, just means it COULD. Think CRC on a harddrive.

Problem is the prime is doing a CRC like, 50 times a second or something. Im not really technical, i dont know the details, but basically thats it in a nutshell. Asus wants to keep reliability up while finding that happy medium to increase speed. Since updates are slowing im guessing they are getting closer and closer to their objective. That or testing better :)

Now the question is: will they bother continuing ICS updates or start working on JB updates? hmmmmmm....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shreddintyres:
you are specifically referring to the changes in the IO performance from the sqlite mod, most of these roms do not incorporate this as a standard feature because, as you pointed out, it has the potential to completely wreck your data. All the other mods, to the wifi modules, framework, kernel are generally safe unless you screw something up. That said, dont flash "experimental" or nightly builds if you arent 100% confident in what you are doing. read read read search and read some more before you go around messing with system files. if you are smart about it you wont corrupt your data or damage your prime
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jballz0682:
I agree. This whole process had been a pain. I unlocked because I got tired of waiting for fixes and I could not be happier with my Prime. Btw, I know; I'm off topic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] misterwal10:
Which rom are you running?

sent from my galaxy s3
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] svladimir:
The last AndroWook with motley kernel 3.0.5, but this's probably a topic for another thread :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tlbradshaw:
Ok, so last night I had my first ANR since upgrading to. 28.5, and also the first time shadow gun has got jumpy (memory issue?). I went to the home screen and back to the game and it played fine again.

Any tests anyone wants to see?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] 7786:
28.5 beta tester

I guess I'll chip in with my experience. I've been testing 28.5 for a week or so now. Unfortunately I still get a couple browser ANRs here and there, as well as gmail/launcher that I've noticed. Of course it seems to get better with every update, but its definitely not fixed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sulfobus:
How's Google Earth behaving in 28.5?

Thanks
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
Not really tests per se, but:

When you say Shadowgun went 'jumpy', do you mean where it loops between displaying 2 frames pretty quickly? Has it happened for anything else?

Have you ever / do you still get graphics corruption on the desktop, where icons/widgets disappear, but remain active?

Does Google Earth work well for new 3D cities (San Fransisco for example)?

Any sleep of death issues?

Do you find that in some programs (VNC Viewer, PS Touch, etc.), when entering a single capital letter by holding shift, the next character is also capitalised?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tlbradshaw:
I'll see if I can answer your questions.

Shadowgun seemed to studder or jump frames. It wasn't unplayable, but it would quickly hang on one frame, then quickly move a few ahead. I didn't really stay in the game very long at that point, b/c I wanted to see if it would resolve itself. I have not noticed this issue with anything else.

I have never gotten corruption graphics, but I did have a jumpy bar at the bottom of the screen. A couple of reboots seemed to clear this up.

I don't have Google Earth on my Prime, I'll download it tonight.

I haven't had the sleep of death since before .28. Of course, I haven't had my tablet docked at all for about the last month...

I use SwiftKey for my keyboard. I have had many input issues, but they always seem to be on websites and mainly using Chrome. Mostly the issues are things like the input boxes getting prepopulated with what was in the input box just previous to it, and then not being able to delete it out. I had some capitalization errors with my dock, by not in the last couple of releases (and always on the web).

I did have issues with GMAIL crashing in .28, but I don't seem to have that issue now, and I had issues with Google Maps crashing, especially when using Latitude. Google Maps seems much more stable now, but I'm not sure if it was an ASUS update that fixed it, or a Google Map update. Any time I have random crashes (especially after a new upgrade) I clear the cache and things seem to work better.

Hope this helps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
Have you fed back that you need to restart / clear cache for things to work properly? Considering how stable custom ROMs have run for me on a variety of other hardware in comparison, it seems like there must be something fundamental which Asus are missing.

I don't particularly want to start another session of blaming Asus for everything though! Thanks for your help :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Is the latest beta on 4.03 or 4.04?

Considering that majority of the ICS devices are now on 4.04.... would love to see this change before the long & tenuous wait for Jelly Bean update.e,

Edit: Yup.. most.. except.. of course, Asus Transformer line...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
well, you are mistaken i guess. not that much of devices. the One X is on 4.0.3, we're waiting for 4.0.4. (and other HTC devices too.) anyway, the HOX is still a lot smoother than the Prime.

plus, if Asus couldn't manage to make a decent .3 version, i don't think they start with a .4 version. i'm not sure though...