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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Worth the wait?

We will sell no Prime, before it's time? Well, it's a bit late for THAT, as there are plenty of Primes out there. I noticed a trend over the last sevearl pages of this thread, where people are growing extremely inpatient and trying to decide between unlocking and waiting longer for .28 or whatever ends up being pushed.

I never thought I'd hear myself say it, but in this scenario, I feel like I WOULD rather wait, as oppossed to another lackluster OTA that fixes a few folks issues, does nothing for others, breaks a bunch of new things and does absolutely

nothing

for the performance related issues with this tablet.

Granted Asus had their collective hands full when ICS first rolled out, with reboots etc. We are now at a point where they either make this thing work as designed, or show that they are hopeless at making that happen. I would suggest, and this is only my opinion, that those who are itching to unlock and see what custom ROMs can do for them (typically a LOT even for devices that have excellent stock firmware) that they "give ASUS this one last chance" If the reason this is taking so freaking long is because they are truly determined to get this thing working like it should, I am ALL FOR IT. I remember FW coming out every 2 weeks for a while, but they delivered the crappy results I described above.

Let's see what they come up with (again, just my opinion, I have no "inside track" into what Asus and Nvidia are doing here) but maybe... just maybe they are putting "Inspiring Innovation" on the back burner and are instead focussed on "Persistent Perfection" (heck, I will take "Persistent Very Good) LOL!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Actually there is a link to the complaint thread in the sticky roll-up...

People just need to use their eyes and read....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Its amazing that this is still even a topic...some just don't want to follow the rules, and complain in every thread.

Back to topic, I think that Asus is doing the right thing to test the next update thoroughly BEFORE releasing it. Those same ones who are being impatient now would also complain if Asus released a half-ass fix. Let it be thoroughly tested, once it is confirmed to work correctly, THEN it will be released. Simple as that. yeah it's not ideal, but this is the nature of bugs, they are never a easy thing to fix.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] 131313:
You are welcome, dude. I have posted this in the HTC1X forum, glad it helped many users even though they never gave me a hit on the thanks button. ;) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1599214
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
hello beta testers,

typically how much time are u given to report back testing results by ASUS? like a couple of days/weeks?

are u given anu specific areas to test or just adhoc testing?

just inquisitive.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
we test everything on the build. but especially the things its focused on or supposed to fix.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Hey Demndarin, has my temporary fix that you commented on on the other thread held up with the gameplay issues you had? Just wondering how it held up after a few hours/days of usage. I have not had an issue since on my end, as well as a few others. Just downloaded Demeolition Inc and it plays fast without crashing anymore.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
and how long timeframe are u required to report testing results by?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
I dont really think it matters what the testers report, it still has to be reviewed on Asus's end before it is finally approved for release. Let's not start asking a million questions for someone who doesnt have to give us this info anyway. Let them finish testing and hopefully all the bugs are addressed. Then Asus can go ahead with the final steps. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
never said it matters. i was just curious to find out typically how much time is generally planned for beta testing by a large firm.

please dont take any offense.

its ok if beta testers are not allowed to tell... i can still ask though...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tf201:
I really appreciate all the unofficial feedback but perhaps ASUS could give you rooted versions so you could check under the hood more.

I understand Google is turning into big brother with drm, but I think ASUS can only stand to gain by engaging the dev community more to solve the issues prevalent on this and the tf300t. They've had some time to do it on their own I think they could use the help...

Now to decide if I want to go out or make more money... decisions.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ex1991eric:
Can anyone confirm it are we truly getting android 4.1 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=27177880#post27177880
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jupppo:
That is never ever an email from asus :cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ylexot:
I would expect us to get 4.1...some day.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
Yeah, maybe it has better looking "X is not responding, Close/Wait" -dialog boxes when our Prime gets stuck again!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Quick update:

Stock browser and 3rd party app performance is great for me on this new build. No force close or ANR on stock browser in over 2 weeks testing this new build. Virtually lag free & smooth scrolling. Pages load up faster also. Flash videos, movie streaming, etc...performs fine on it.

For gaming issues, this build fixes it but not 100%. I still have a couple games, Shadowgun THD & Mass Effect that still like to act up. All my other THD games, like Sonic2, or regular games perform just fine with no crashes or whatever. I even tried out Mr. Cannandy new temp. Fix. With that I was able to get shadowgun to work. MASS EFFECT worked initially but resorted back to its old ways. Mass effect is a hit or miss no matter default settings or developer settings. So for the most part, my prime plays games fine on new build without changing developer settings.

Like I mentioned before, Face Unlock works in this build now. I also noticed that wifi direct has more options now. So its likely working now. Need to test that feature more. The lag from playstore apps installing is not as bad but still there. Only happens for a brief moment then goes away. Battery life and standby has been great. I think they solved the wifi battery drain issue as it doesn't drain nearly as much anymore. Wifi overall(strength, range, stability) is improved but the better judgement on it will be once everyone else receives the update and judge for themselves. Everyone setup is different and you will be the better judge if it has improved for you or not. For me, it has.

I will be giving Gary an update this week on all that's going on with new build and the various threads/suggestions on gaming and I/O issues & improvements users discovered. Like Mr. Cannandy thread on temp gaming fix & Dagrim thread on his sqlite patch fix. Hopefully this info will be useful to Asus/Nvidia/Google and give them a new insight into what's going on. He should be back from Taipei after tomorrow or so.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
Thanks so much for the update, demandarin. This sounds very promising. As badly as I want this update released, I'd rather Asus take their time and perfect it. For me, the Prime has had so many annoying issues, and I view this big update as the last chance for Asus to fix them. If this update doesn't do it, I think I will have lost all hope for them getting their act together. I bet I'm not the only one who feels this way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stinebd:
Are you aware of any testers using the dock extensively? The most major issue I have in .21 is the SoD while in the dock, which has caused me to pretty much stop using my Prime for now. I'd be really interested to know if this issue is solved in the beta (and I would suspect it is fixed, as a result of the various other fixes they've done).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i use the dock extensively. I haven't experienced one SOD on this build. But i never had it on .21 also. I'm not sure if SteveG has a dock or not. if he does, he will chime in on the matter. For me though, no issues with dock, especially the SOD on this new build. What is your dock firmware version?

i can look further into it though.

off topic: did you ever work with reefermatness on Rhodium xdAndroid builds? you name looks familiar. years ago i was dual booting xdandroid on my Tilt2(Rhodium) with win mo stock. I loved the simple cab file versions of the install :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thenrz:
Here's a shutout to demandarin... thanks for the update buddy. Everytime i come to complain that the update isnt out yet, you have a post that satisfies the nerd inside... thanks for the updates asus doesnt care to give us!

Very excited for .28. I am setup for an rma, but want to wait and see what i can expect when i get it back with a new lcd.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ken830:
Wait. How do we check the dock firmware?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I have a dock and only use my prime while docked.

A few days ago I ran into some issues though; I'd grab my prime, open it up, and it'd be a black screen as if it was off and I had to hold the power button to force it to reboot. I'm not sure what SoD is or means, so this might be what you were referring to.

It happened twice that day, and hasn't happened since, so it might have just been a weird fluke.

Don't think I forgot about the gaming testing I said I'd do, I've just been somewhat busy lately. I'm gonna work on testing out the developer option tweaks + gaming tonight though, I promise!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
its in the about settings info for prime. should be a line that says mobile dock version. the same screen that shows wifi version, OS version, etc...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I believe he's referring to the dock version. It's under Settings > About tablet, and all the way at the bottom it says "MobileDock Version" (no idea why there isn't a space between mobile and dock lol :p). You have to be docked for it to display, of course.

Edit: Ninja'd lol.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] st33med:
Just figured it out. SOD means Sleep of Death, which is what you are experiencing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ken830:
That's exactly what happens to me, and I assumed that's the Sleep-of-Death. It usually happens many times in a day, and then it goes for days without ever happening again. I don't use the tablet very heavily though. This is the most annoying bug right up there with the browser "application not responding" bug.

It just says "TF201-DOCK-0207" but that doesn't "look" like a firmware version to me. Maybe a hardware model number or hardware revision number?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
Ahh, makes sense lol... Not sure why I couldn't figure that out :banghead:

I mentioned it to Gary right after they happened though (both happened pretty close to each other), so hopefully they're looking into it.

Huh, it never really was a problem for me before anyways, as it's only happened like twice before I got the beta firmware, and I've had mine since late December. Pretty odd that it comes and goes lol. But so far the browser is looking good! :thumbup:

I'm leaning towards it being like a hardware revision number too tbh. Mines 0206 lol I'd expect a higher number (or at least equal), being that I'm on the beta firmware.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stinebd:
Thanks for the feedback. SteveG's one-shot issue was not quite like what dock users have been experiencing on .21 (it happens very often for people who see it), so the fact that it's all he's seen is promising.

Yes, I worked with him a bit. I was one of the project leads for XDAndroid (technically still am, I guess, but a fellow named arrrghhh does a lot of the leading now). He was an unofficial packager for the project, really cool guy. I'm still surprised by how many people around XDA have used it. Thanks for the kind words. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
Just FYI, the workaround for wifi battery drain, does appear to completely stop SODs altogether. It's worth checking out if your on .21 and still getting them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
Just made an account here to say a thank you to you guys relaying info about these firmware updates, I really appreciate it.

As an aside, is there a way to select separate keyboards for when the dock is connected/disconnected without rooting? I use Thumb Keyboard, but this makes certain keys on the dock change to their US counterparts (I'm English). If there isn't a way, could one of you guys pass the suggestion along to Asus? Would really appreciate it :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i think there's a thread on that. there's an app in the app store or something that can be setup to have the prime use one type of keyboard when docked, and switch to whatever you choose when in tablet mode. The thread might be in general or QnA section. i don't believe root was needed either.

Asus should set this up by default though. it'll be suggested.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
Well, I did me some gaming! I figured I'd try out playing the game (Shadowgun THD) again for a while without the developer option tweaks to see if I could get some issues to pop up again. I actually didn't have any issues arise during that whole hour, so good news there!

I'm going to test it out again tomorrow and see if I get any issues to arise. If some issues arise, I'll do the developer option tweaks and do some more testing. If no issues present themselves, then yay lol. Either way though, I'll be reporting back here to let everyone know what happened.

I'm leaning towards not testing Mass Effect though, as it seems to have issues regardless. I'm thinking it's the games issue, not our Primes. If some people really want me to test it out though, I will.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] os2baba:
How about Chrome Beta? Chrome works pretty well on my Vibrant with CM9. But it crashes, freezes, is slow on the Prime. Having said that, I don't really use the browser all that much on my phone. I do it use it a lot on the tablet though. But none of the browsers have worked well for me on the prime. I have tried Maxthon, Dolphin HD, Dolphin for tablet, all the firefox betas...

I'd love to hear from you whether Chrome Beta is stable on the new build.

BTW, I just purchased and returned FIFA 2012. That too kept freezing and crashing on the Prime. I didn't think it was worth keeping it since the Prime and the TouchPad with CM9 were the only 2 devices that it was compatible with. It couldn't run on any of my other Android devices (Vibrant, Sprint Galaxy SII, Galaxy S wifi 5")

Thanks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
Awesome, thanks.

Yeah I saw that thread a while ago but got the impression root was needed. I'll go check again, hope I'm wrong.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justcookiesncream:
I can only think of this as luck, My prime hasn't had any gaming issues since the .21 update YES honestly speaking the .21 update brought help to me to say the least, before .21 Shadowgun THD was crashing on me every single time but after the update it ran perfect so as with other THD games like Dark Meadow, Riptide, ME and other graphically intensive games but of course like everyone else I do get occasional reboots and SODs
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Its not widespread. its crazy how peoples primes react differently to updates or issues. like it has a mind/personality of its own. Lmao

Shadowgun & mass effect were the only ones giving me hassel. but I got mass effect working well yesterday. I made it to the next big boss. some giant green monster with weapons attached to him. I love that game. I may finally get nova3 this week to see how it is.

I rarely get random reboots. never any Sod.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Same here Demandarin, Mass Effect works perfectly for me. I'm at the same boss, almost beat the sucker yesterday but got too anxious an lost the fight lol. Great game once you realize that the controls are actually good the way they are ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
Its indeed very strange that all those primes behave differently... i had SOD and random reboots on every single ROM out there where other people didn't.

Now i am on androwook 1.1 with motley alpha kernel and all (except slow IO) is fine..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
@demandarin, I just PM'd you, found something interesting that you should take a look at.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] -eth-:
Guys, we have something more or less concrete about the release :)

I'm still with the update before .21, because of all the issues, so hopefully based on the user feedback, we will have a better FW this week.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tf201:
I'm sure we are getting 4.1.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
You can't toy with us like this! What'd you find? Good or bad, we're interested!

:)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Oh sorry guys lol!! I honestly didn't meant to give any false hope at all.... Just waiting on Demandarin to reply to my PM.

Just disregard this for now, If he confirms my PM message to him, then I will update.

Thanks :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] StuMcBill:
I am 99.99999999999% sure that we will not get 4.1 this week.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
We aren't lol the .28 update is coming out this week though, per Garys post. I think he meant he thinks we'll be getting it eventually.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Don't worry, it wasn't a false-hope kind of thing, I'm just nosy. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I responded to your pm cannandy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
lol

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Thanks, ttyl
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
And...?!!?

:)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justcookiesncream:
.28 Will be available this week, New update post by Gary
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
You're funny..here it is: Below is the fix for the Prime's wifi/bluetooth combo issue:

DON'T USE THEM AT THE SAME TIME :p

Sorry guys, just some Monday humor!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
demandarin and SteveG12543, will you both continue to comment on future unreleased firmwares or being to step back a bit?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tf201:
We will get 4.1 but not this week or in .2x. Its not even out yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I'll continue to give a bit of feedback. I'll mostly be commenting on what the build will be fixing, like with this one. If it says it fixes "x," I'll mainly be reporting on my experience with "x", not really my experience with "y" or "z."

Just a heads up though, I'll be going away for a month in about a week or so, and during that time I won't have my tablet with me, so I won't be able to provide much feedback during that month.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jordanmw:
From the sounds of demandarin's game freeze posts, it looks like the .28 that we will be getting does not fix that specific issue. Are any of the .28 users still getting browser and input hangs? I have seen some report that they have not had any issues but I would love to know if there is anyone out there testing that did see those issues still.

Are we still having wifi/bt issues with .28? Seems like I saw a post where someone said it was still an issue. Can someone besides our 2 most frequent posting beta testers(steve, demandarin) chime in with their experiences?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TechSavvy2:
Should I assume that when .28 drops that the unlocked/rooted users (mainly unlocked) probably have to wait for Virtuous to be updated to see any of these changes? Now is that one time where I wish I weren't unlocked.....(and Hulu+)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
yes. developers will update once source available after .28 releases.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Dude, where on EARTH is it that you are going where you can't take your Prime? I shudder to think :) If I couldn't have my tablet with me, I wouldn't go. I had lans to join an ancient order of Monks in Tibet, but then I found out the WiFi was really slow, and that ruined it for me. :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
There is currently no working electricity on the planet Mars, also the current firmware does not support inter-galactic travel :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Subsonic44:
Shouldn't take too long, though. When. 21 dropped, I downloaded Virtuous update before I saw a notification from ASUS!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Supersaiyan.IV:
Will .28 remedy any "s/n unknown" issues?

Being stuck in a limbo where neither OTA or Unlock Tool V6 works induces some gray hairs.

Thanks to all posting fixes appearing in the upcoming rom!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mopar400:
From Gary's post this morning he is calling it:

Tf201 .28 fota

Am I reading this right its a forced over the air update?

If thats the case make sure your root is backed up!! :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I'm going to Erie, PA (where I lived a few months ago) to hang with my friends. Trust me, I really want to take my Prime with me but I'm sure it'd get messed up somehow lol. My friends aren't the most delicate people, and since I'll be staying at multiple places throughout my visit I won't have a consistent place to leave it and keep an eye on it. Carrying it around would just be a hassle as we'll be going out fishing a lot, having bonfires and doing other outdoorsy stuff. I don't want to risk my Primes well-being at all lol. She's already got a scratch, I don't want any more :eek: Idk, I might be a bit overprotective, but this is the most expensive thing I have besides my car :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sparkym3:
Not necessarily, it probably just stands for firmware over-the-air rather than forced over-the-air.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] st33med:
I have two light scratches on my screen too and some scratches on the aluminum back. Aluminum is so hard to keep clean and scuff free!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yvrAndroidNut:
What does the 3 letter acronym "ANR" stand for that 0.28 fixes?

Sorry for being a dumb Canadian but I don't feel like browsing all the old posts trying to find out :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Application Not Responding
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robertg9:
You're not the only one who was wondering that...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jazzy__b:
There's a mod for that. :)

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TransformerPrime:
So ANR is a separate issue from the Browser wait issue?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
exactly..use voodoo to backup. I bet there will still be some who don't. lol. there always is. you all are lucky. you will still have root. I lost mines.

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same thing. that's what they call those pop up messages. it can be applied to any app that crashes or gives you pop up message.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sparkym3:
Demandarin or SteveG12543, have either of you had any time to check if the symlink exploit still exists in the .28 rom?

Now that there is a direct root method for .21 it will be interesting to see if it will be possible on the .28 rom.

Following these steps we would want to see is the output for the last step showing the permissions, after it has been rebooted:

cd /data/local/

mv /data/local/tmp /data/local/tmp.bak

ln -s /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 /data/local/tmp

REBOOT DEVICE

ls –l /dev/block

Here is a link to the direct root method http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=27275621
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] indie13:
Fyi its my birthday on Wednesday so that would be a great day to drop the update.....just so you know :)