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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TechSavvy2:
Read Gary Key's update status that he posted "yesterday". And seems it was just posted yesterday, I'd say it'll be a bit still. Yes he did say the same thing about a different update a few weeks back, but if you notice what the new one contains (quoted from himself and demanderin) I'd say its well worth the wait.

And that's how you know we're spoiled with the amount of updates we get is when two months is no longer frequent enough. Its been 8 months since my phone got an update. And that's a Nexus device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
Well, remember, some of us are waiting for fixes, not features, hopefully asus can do us proud
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] riyatch:
But your Nexus is working properly. Many of our TFP are not functioning properly and we need an update to hopefully fix the numerous problems with this $500 slab of glass and metal. Its sad that my 2 year old phone runs faster than the 'mighty quad core prime'.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LNJ:
I'll be happy when it performs like a quad core device or at least as smooth as my SGS2. Don't care about GPS.

Better battery consumption overall especially while on wifi will be great.

But based on reports of the new build, I'm optimistic!

Just fix bugs for now....new features can come later!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ranwanimator:
Can you comment at all on whether or not the wavy line issue has been addressed in this update?

One (of many) references for the issue.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1440092&highlight=wavy

Thanks in advance!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I still get the wavy lines. :o
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I dont care about the android version as long as everythings working and sstable :-)

Omg can't wait!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
The fact that the prior unreleased update was said to be working well, but was scrapped by Asus says that they are really trying to fix ALL of their fixable software issues. They could of easily just released the previously tested firmware which fixed the gaming issues etc and had us wait. The speed at which they are releasing updates speak volumes! Some android devices have to wait for about 5-8 months before any updates are released to fix numerous bugs.

Good job Asus!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gene_wildhart:
Happened to be browsing this forum (even though I dont have a Prime). Noticed some users complaining about lack of speed/performance on the Quad Core Prime.

What is interesting to note is, Android (4.0.1-4.0.3) has a major (in my opinion) bug that will cause a large majority of Software written using the Android C/C++ NDK to use the slower ARM5 instructions vs. the much faster ARM7 instructions.

What happens is in 4.0.3 when an APK is loaded, the OS selects wrong library, resulting in unoptimized and slower code being run. There exists a work-around (used in my DosBox Turbo emulator), but its a bit cumbersome to implement and furthermore, many developers aren't even aware of this issue... I'm wondering if the slowness that some users are complaining about may have something to do with this bug.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cenonmin:
+++1 Here ! all I want is a fast, smooth and stable Prime the way it should have been. Don't care about new features. I shelled out some good money on this and so far it has been very disappointing. ASUS please fix it!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
if true, if that is indeed whats causing prime issues, would'nt other phones/tabs be experiencing similar problems across all devices using said firmware

As far as im aware, theres no wide spread discussions on it, and i doubt something like that would be kept a secret, someone correct me if im wrong

Then again there can be lots of variables, i suppose its likely a device manufacturer, when testing the new firmware, may have discovered the issue, and fixed it for their own devices, would explain the "only happens on certain devices" scenario, in a "bugs found in firmware 4.0.3" scenario

Either way, thanks for the info
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
4.04 has same issuss..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
actually other phones and tablets have the same ICS issues. its well documented throughout xda. I already proved it before but lets not open up THST can of worms again..lmao. focus is prime unless another device found a solution and we can implement it. gene_wildcat has been revealing some great info lately. which I did pass on to Asus to take a look at.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
Any chance you know of any devices other then the prime that has the issues? If so could you post it please, probably be worth reading up on it

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Thats a damn shame :(

Save us gene_wildcat-kinobi, your our only hope :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bedoig:
I have three other devices running ICS and none experience frequent activity not responding errors. One device officially runs ICS (Galaxy Nexus), the other two are non-OEM builds.

I'm not complaining about the Prime (I love it), just saying this is not a general ICS issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Off the top of your head could you list a few of these devices. Wondering of there's any thing the devices have in common because the two devices I have other than the prime are blazing fast and mostly bug free.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gene_wildhart:
Yes, it is an Android OS bug and exists on all ICS Platform releases (4.0.1 to 4.0.3), not specific to any particular hardware; though, as I understand it, the Galaxy Nexus is now at ICS 4.0.4, which has supposedly fixed this bug.

I only noticed the bug after running the DOOM Timedemo benchmark on my app with my Transformer TF101 and realizing that performance wasn't where it should be (~20% slower). After a marathon debugging session, I learned that whenever native code was being executed, the OS would execute the wrong native code path (in this case ARM5 instead of ARM7). In all honesty, had I not been running benchmarks (in an effort to get every last bit of speed out of my app), and known what those benchmark numbers were on the old Honeycomb OS, I probably would have never even noticed this bug. Users are going to have an even more difficult time deducing if the wrong native code path is being executed, as the app should continue to run just fine, albeit with reduced performance.

Again, I don't pretend to know if this is the real cause of the perceived slow performance that some of you guys have written about... but is certainly seems plausible... also, who knows, perhaps ASUS is aware of this bug and may have fixed it in their build of 4.0.3... I suppose that would be easy enough to test though...

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In order to clarify things a bit. In my opinion, the perceived performance issues and the stability/crash issues are two separate problems.

Certainly bug 25321 has to be causing some slowdown of applications with native code that pack both ARM5 and ARM7 binaries (unless Asus backported the fix from 4.0.4), but it shouldn't affect stability.

The stability issues, in my opinion, are not related to this bug. I recently wrote a separate post detailing some of my findings regarding stability issues with native code utilizing ARM7 instructions + high cpu/memory loads.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
Dude, you're awesome. I'm just even more happy I purchased your app some days ago and supported you! :-D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] woodsonmh:
I do have two ics tablets. I do get browser waits on both, more so on prime. I no longer have the shut down poblems I started out with. I recently read on another thread about ticking "don't keep activities" in developer sstrings, some say by ticking this and exiting then going back to settings and untick improves profomance. Playing around i had done this a while back. The action i think helps most is shutting down backgound apps. Particularly those that access the internet. I have found apps running in the background using large amunts of cpu time. This is not a memory issue but a cpu issue. I wonder how well ics handles apps tuning in the background. I use watchdog on both tablets and I'm fairly aggresive shutting down backgound apps

I do not have shut down issues like i had. I have less browsing issues, but still have them. Other apps run like expected without the delays i oringinally had. I have no problems streaming, and often stream on one tablet while browsing on the other.

Even whith prime issues the tablet i enjoy using the most is my prime. Its a great tablet. I look forward to improvements. It took microsoft couple of years and two service paks to get xp working like it should. We are just over six months with ics. The first android with tablets as a focus. Were at the begining of the life cycle and major improvements should come down the pike. I would hope we see at least two major updates get the tablet i hope it will be.

Woody
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ill1:
My prime ran perfect for about a month after I got. After that I started getting reboots when playing video. I tried the above and have played video for the past 3 hours non stop with no problems or reboots. It seems like the overall stability is better. It's still too soon to call it a fix but this tip needs to be tried by all with reboot issues. Thanks to whomever came up with this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] valentinrascu:
Asus drivers ics -tegra 3 is verry instable. The samsung galaxy nexus running fine the 4.0.3 android. My sgs2, is perfect with ics...and id a lot faster!!,no browser slowdown...

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rcatron:
I am with you - I have multiple ICS devices, and my Prime is by the poorest performing in the browser (wait-closes, pauses, hard crashes).

What made me realize it the most was my recent purchase of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 - it is almost a de-tuned device, and by all accounts, should be slower than the Prime, but browsing is much better. Same goes for my Kindle Fire flashed with gedeROM - amazing speed.

I kind of summarize it layman's terms like this - when the Prime is on, it is on - very fast, but too many issues, while browsing, negate that speed to where it seems actually slower than my other devices.

This leads me to think that it is chip specific - if XDA developers can get ICS 4.x running that smooth, Asus should be able to.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
I have a GTab2 7",SII and EVO LTE that run great on ICS. When I got the GTab is when I knew the Prime had major issues. I think Nvidia should be the company taking the heat for this not Asus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
Sometimes I think with the Prime as the leading Tegra 3 device, Nvidia/Asus optimized and tuned the unit so much for benchmarks that it ended up degrading real world experience.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Restorer:
I have now come to the sad conclusion that the smoothest way to surf the net on the TF201 is via Slashtop Remote THD!

There has to be something seriously wrong here when this third party app can deliver internet content through IE9 from another computer via wifi and display it almost without fault while the native browser is full of stutters and stalls.

Still hoping for big improvment though with the new update :D.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] s1lenz:
tmobiles galaxy s2 browser is amazing.

just throwing it out there. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
So is my Primes browser. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kngyr:
Well I hope we can say the same when this update releases :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
After 2 days with my new sgs3 i have to conclude that the transformer prime is nowhere near the sgs in terms of performance.. asus fix the i/o troubles! Pls!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dagrim1:
I second that.

The SGS3 is so incredibly smooth, with everything. But even my SGS2 did already beat the prime in overall experience.

But I'm very afraid that the issue is a hardware issue (crappy internal storage) so I wonder if there's anything they can do on the software side. Surely hope so, but am quite pessimistic about it.

Too bad asus/prime is the only serious tablet/netbook solution for me atm :/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
aaand the wining begins again. it would be really nice to make a useful thread like this getting closed!

but to make a statement: crappy speeds can depend on software. the otherwise really good cyanogenmod had a problem like that on the htc desire. a simple and small (like 10k) patch solved the problem. so no worries.

worry if asus admits: dudes, we f-d this up. as they kinda did with the gps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TechSavvy2:
So what about the update?........lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dagrim1:
Partly whining yeah, but also just observing and drawing conclusions.

Doing benchmarks it shows that the io performance of the prime is pretty bad and the thing is that with AOKP (being android 4.0.4) the issue isn't solved either. Thus I doubt it's a specific 4.0.3 issue (let alone ICS issue, considering experiences with other ICS devices).

I think something is going on with the SQLite area.

Take a look at RL Benchmark which specifically tests SQLite performance.

The SGS2 completed it in 23 secs, the SGS3 in little over 20. The HTC One X tegra3 version, 35secs.

The transformer prime? About 115 to 120 seconds!

The main extreme is the 1000 INSERTS test. Takes 0.7 secs on the SGS3, 70 secs on the prime (yes, you read it right... same results showed for sgs2 vs prime).

Another test, delete without an index: 6 secs for the prime, 1 sec for the sgs3.

Drop table? 9 seconds for the prime, 0.3 for the sgs3.

Other tests are quite even between prime and sgs2/3 so there's a few which are the main dealbreakers. So if SQLite is messed up this will cause performance issues, hopefully fixable by software but the fact that it hasn't been despite of quite a number of updates and custom (AOKP) roms I start to doubt that.

@Demandarin: Can you give any comments on these suspisions or do some testing with RL Benchmark?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leppie:
Software can't speed up slow hardware (eMMC) magically. Maybe squeeze out a 5% here or there, but nothing noticeable.

Sent from my $600 paperweight
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
okay, it seems you really digged into this. i didn't. but i don't really do benchmarks. i've used custom roms loads of times, and they didn't give me trustworthy results. there are custom roms that do benchmarks like crazy, but they suck in everyday use. so, what i care about is day-to-day usage.

i personally am loving my prime. yes, i'm waiting for the update too, it could be smoother, there's always room for improvement, but in general, i'm satisfied. (i don't have bad reboots, i can play games, and browser is also okay with browser2ram fix.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gt2000gt:
Is browsertoram fix a program ????
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] valentinrascu:
Browser2ram fix!!??

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
yes, you can find it in the browser errors thread. I'm not sure if this is the link for the newest version, but you can look around.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25286407&postcount=61

It pretty much fixes the lags and waiting errors, there are some FCs though. Not as often as before! It makes browsing a lot better. And you need root to use it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aleandre1974:
IO issues

I don't know if this slow IO could also be the reason for the incredibly weak SD-card / microSD performance, not to mention its stability : try to copy a file using the standard file manager (say, more than 30 MB to ensure any buffer is full) from a SD card in the keyboard dock directly to a microSD card inserted in the Prime. In almost all cases, the copy will fail with a error message, the bigger the file the higher the likelihood of the failure.

My workaround is to copy these big files first from the SD to the internal storage, then to the microSD... Amazing. Also, going back to the home screen file such a copy operation is taking place crashes the standard file manager.

For me this kind of issues are unacceptable at that price point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Einride:
Database access tends to have a high amount of syncs. I assume the Prime is using ext4 file system on all partitions? Unless Asus have gone with a custom ext 4 implementation in their kernel and it has a major bug regarding sync() speed, I'd say it's a hardware or firmware issue. That would make it harder to work around. If it's a firmware issue in the eMMC/flash memory controller used they might be able to update that through a regular OTA update. Not sure what they can and can't update through OTA updates.

The first Galaxy S had major issues due to Samsung going for their own custom (and at first, extremely buggy) file system, RFS, which lagged like crazy due to slow sync() speeds. Custom ROMs and kernels alleviated this issue somewhat by switching to ext4, but the flash hardware itself was not the fastest for writing, so the problem never fully went away.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
What is Rl benchmark and that other one? Link me to them and ill test when I get off work.

This isn't a complaint thread. if you concerned about prime I/o, which everyone is, just ask if update improves this. off topic complaints will get thread shut down. I can test for different things to see if its improved yet or not. constant comparisons to other devices is off topic and not needed & doesn't provide a solution for our primes.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dagrim1:
Thanks for the response, I am talking about RL Benchmark: SQLite

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...mNvbS5yZWRsaWNlbnNlLmJlbmNobWFyay5zcWxpdGUiXQ..

Yeah, I remember that... I also know in the past (android 2.3) quite a bit of patching was done the the sqlite library (libsqlite.so) in order to force fsync to be disabled which improved things a ton.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=903507

Looking into that option now but it's pretty tough to find the right things to adjust (and how to adjust them). But just wondering how much disabling syncin will improve things (and yeah, I know of the risks).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Einride:
The thing is, turning off fsync is a workaround, and a very unsafe and ugly one at that, but you already know that :)

If other devices can do 1000 inserts in <1 sec, why can't the Prime? It would be interesting to see if fsync really is the culprit here, though. It sure seems like it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dagrim1:
Hehe, I know... Ugly indeed but even if it's just to see how much it helps.

But for example the 1000 inserts is 70 vs 0.7 secs (TF201 vs SGS3)

The 25000 inserts in a transaction is 6.5 vs 3.2 (still difference, but tons better)

The 25k inserts into indexed table in a transaction: 4.1 vs 3.2

So yeah, I'm really feeling it as at least part of the problem. (Slow IO, fsync taking it's toll on that slow IO). Hope I can find out how to patch this ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aleandre1974:
With all the respect for you and for your contribution to this forum, Demandarin, we were precisely talking I/O. That said, yes, although I can see you've been burdened with a lot of similar requests, I would (and probably others too) appreciate if you could find the time to see if what I describe happens with the latest build.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
I disagree in respects to software not slowing down at the very least the performance aspect of hardware

You can have the most powerfull machine invented today, but you wont benefit from any performance if there is an artificial bottleneck caused by badly written or overlooked code, in that respects, thats what im hoping the problem with my prime is

Otherwise, yes, $600 paperweight
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leppie:
That is true, but for ASUS/NVidia to take over 6 months to even pin point these supposed software issues is just making it look more like a hardware design flaw.

For us the user, it is impossible to track these issues down. You need hardware/kernel debugger/profiler/tracers. ASUS surely have them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
Agreed, even for me the threshold is nearing its limit, but have decided to wait just at least untill i can try the new firmware or a Devved up version, Androwook in the dev section is getting allot of possitive feedback in respects to performance, would like to see what MrWookie can do with the new firmware if he has a mind too.

"For us the user, it is impossible to track these issues down. You need hardware/kernel debugger/profiler/tracers. ASUS surely have them."

Thanks for that little titbit :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
No problem

I will run the test when I get off work. I already remotely installed the test app to my prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leppie:
See here for benchmarks against my 2 year old Desire HD.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26963075&postcount=12
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
On the RL Benchmark, my single core Thunderbolt Vs. Quad core TFP.

TFP:

http://i.imgur.com/nfB3U.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/52LUW.jpg

Thunderbolt:

http://i.imgur.com/O9ExJ.png

http://i.imgur.com/vWsQY.png
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Remember this also. As far as I know, asus/nvidia never really got to address i/o issues yet. wasn't at top of list of things to take care of. most complaints publicly came from gps n wifi. then sod, reboots, lockups, etc.. They've been busy addressing other issues first. they will address i/o soon.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] omac_ranger:
My results, a good bit faster.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leppie:
Besides not really having to suppose to have issues in a released product, do you think it is acceptable to have to wait 6-12 months for a possible solution? To be honest, I dont see these performance issues ever being solved with software alone. By the time they get this thing stable, we are going to be running at 600Mhz! ;p

And with what was that? TFP? Custom ROM? ICS/firmware version? Speed?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Have any of you seen my thread, the temporary *fix* seems to help with the slow browser speeds, constant game crashes. Today is day 3 that I have not experienced any game crashes, browser stuttering or system reboots. My FPS in heavy 3d games are much better also.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1690619
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
Gimme a bit, I'll test out the app and see what I get.

EDIT: Once I get around to testing and posting results, I'll be posting them here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1595531 in an effort to stop clogging up this thread.

EDIT again: Posted screen shots of results in the above thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] omac_ranger:
TFP, AOKP build 37 , Default clock
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
Would be very nice!

IO performance is part of the problem ( as seen on the browser lock workarounds)

My old desire hd outperforms the prime on sdcard performance... pretty strange!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] valentinrascu:
Kingston and hynix is the nand on prime

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
Oh come on with the update already. The longer the wait, the higher the expectation and the bigger the disappointment. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
so how do the numbers look like on .28 firmware?

also had a few queries regarding the upcoming firmware

- is support for external wifi dongles included ?

- did wifi/bt combination get any better?

meanwhile appreciate the work your doing on behalf for the prime community... wonder how would things be if we had no asus info coming our way.

i sure hope u get a padfone/infinity tab for ur efforts!