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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ShelW:
I happen to play Zen Pinball THD every day, and I'm not a gamer, but I LOVE this game, and I've had zero issues with it! Very weird!

I play it now, more then ever, since purchasing a PS3 wireless controller. Absolutely love playing this game, and GTA3 wirelessly! As far as I know, you can't do that with an iPad.

I'm on a stock Transformer Prime. Strange that you have problems with Zen Pinball, and it's absolutely stable for me. Do other people also have issues with Zen Pinball?

Don't want to jinx anything, but in the two months I've had my Prime and dock, it's been very stable. It will suddenly reboot, on rare occasion, but that happens only about once ever five, six days, and the TP reboots amazingly fast, compared to my Thunderbolt (my car actually depreciates in the time it takes my Thunderbolt to reboot! :eek:)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
Someone needs to see about getting the .28 kernel to motley or the core rom to the Virtuous team or AndroWook, and sharpish, the chances are they'll be able to fix most of the remaining gremlins once they've got their hands on the newest stock builds.

ASUS really need to hurry this along now, we've seen updates fly past for the 300 and 101 and we're now essentially on the "oldest" build despite being on the premier tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ThiaiZ:
Hi guys. What is wrong with Mass effect? Have it installed on my prime and it plays just amazingly well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
People here have reported bugs, and EA modified the play store to make it incompatible with Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
The game crashes for some. works great for others.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
I don't know whether it's relevant or not, but I had very few problems with my Prime until I did a cold boot on it a week or so ago. Since then I've pretty much been unable to play any graphics-intensive games.

On a slightly different note, do we have any idea if there's an ETA for this update yet?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
No exact date yet, the official said he's gone to taipai (is that right?), to "finalize" the new firmware as well as other things?, but thats no guarantee that its anytime soon, although it may very well be, just dont get your hopes up incase
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
He's in Taipei for computex & finalizing firmware.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
The only problem I have with Mass Effect is that EA changed the compatibility setting so that it no longer shows as compatible on the Prime meaning I can't install it. The game plays fine on my GS2, but it rapes the phones battery, as in nearly 40% an hour.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sparkym3:
I don't think the kernel will help since based on this post by demandarin, the kernel is the same as the .21 build.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26819697&postcount=68

Not that they wouldn't be able to find something useful in the ROM, just not the kernel.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tf201:
Not to disagree but I think the number one issue moving forward has to be I/O performance. It affects everything not just a game crash here and there which could be caused by a nearly unlimited combination of variables with current user config.

The I/O performance issue is universal and handicaps every single thing you do on the prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Shinare:
+1 in this but still anxiously awaiting the next update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
My thinking precisely, might even be lucky, and find out that fixing (hopefully) the i/o might fix up other issues aswell, one can hope

In regards to beta testers, ideally asus should have gone for users who were more vocal about their issues, best way to know if somethings been fixed is if the person HAS the issue and is AWARE of it, it would be a bit redundant to give to users who have "perfect" primes, saying that, information about the new firmware, provided by the current beta testers is very much appreciated
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Not another one of these, "Asus should of picked another beta-tester" comments again...Asus has far more testers than we know of, some with major issues, some with minor. So can we please stop repeating this same thing over and over again, it's getting as old. Demandarin is NOT the only tester, he is one of the more helpful/vocal ones though. Do we need an official post from Asus to confirm this too..come on people ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
It might be 2.6 based like .21, but I'd be willing to wager some elements have been updated from the .21 variant, especially if fixes are being implemented in regards to the teg 3 chipset, that usually requires fiddling with kernel modules or similar levels of muckiness. Thus my immediate guess is that the .28 kernel will be one Motley and Roach and co can dig into and yield some solid results from.

It's worth considering the concept of compiling the rom with fsync off in the sql libraries as per one of the suggestions on forum, as that may yield some definite wins in regards to i/o. Do remember that most of the kernels are derived from the .21 base, and no surprises, they suffer on 3D tasks in much the same ways the stock ROM suffers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
That's interesting. A few of the CM9 nightlies a month or so ago were using the the 3.1 kernel (that kernel was eventually pulled because of buggy wifi issues). First, I wonder if any of the things you mention were different in 3.1? Second, I am wondering whether it would be worth reflashing one of them to see if there is a difference in i/o performance?

Just a thought. Sorry if this is a little off topic...

EDIT: I just looked back at the CM9 thread - it was the screen rotation/magnetometer that did not work. Some were actually seeing better wifi performance with 3.1
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
That would be dependent on the wifi drivers compiled in, that's wandering out of my reach, but perhaps worth poking motley, he's alpha'ing a new kernel and this sounds like the kind of thing that'd be up his alley. I'm doing some looking at the repercussions of turning fsync off and whether there's other things perhaps to attack in regards to SQLite performance.

My gut feeling is however that we'll not see much more progress on the issue until either ASUS hand over an Nvflash that works for unlocked devices or pull their fingers out and get us the update (and from there, into the hands of the dev teams).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] prettyboy85712:
I would love to see some sort of voting system for users that ASUS would use to prioritize fixes/new features. Something similar to what Dropbox does in their online forums.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JamesRC:
Why not post the poll here!?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Agreed. I mean, no guarantee Asus will take it into account, but it sure can't hurt. When we've got a decent amount of feedback, we could send it to Gary and co.

The alternative would be suggesting it to them and hoping/waiting for them to implement it....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
Simply pointing out that, if i was a dev for a problamatic app on the the market, and im picking beta testers to help me test the fixes i implemented, it would be prudent of me to give the app to those who have actually confirmed to me that they have the issue, otherwise i might end up giving it to someone who doesnt have the issue, which would kinda defeat the purpose in finding out whether my fixes work

Please dont put words in my mouth, at no point was i whining, and as far as im conserned "everyone" has a right to an opinion, i might not like some of the more negative posts on the prime the ones that deteriorate into who gets the last word (by all means your more then welcome to it), but i can understand it and accept it

Please respect that everyones entitled to an opinion, good or bad, and hopefully the forum will clean itself up once a few of those issues have been sorted out

Go in peace

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Nice idea

Another bonus is it would show everyone what issues the prime currently has, and an idea of what to search for within the forum, would have to be a sticky though
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
So whats the update on the update? Was the previous .28 update not satisfactory?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
Isn't there already a thread on known issues at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1444084? In fact, a basic search for "known issues transformer prime" brings that up as the first result. I guess the mods have decided it wasn't worth making into a sticky.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Exactly :)

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Again, I stated that Asus has multiple types of Beta testers both in-house and external, how did I misquote you? There will never be a fix all release for any device, you can fix one issue, and another crops up that was never found during testing phases..it happens unfortunately.

Be free, be happy
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
Perhaps if possible, the poll should be started on that thread, certainly would be nice to a have a quick way to view a list of the current issues, , plus thread to talk about it

I agree with the sticky, im surprised there is'nt one for issues already, surely that would decrease the amount of venting on other threads???

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Fair enough

Dont let the bed bugs bite
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
lol!!! thanks man, too late though :)

My spider sense is telling me that the new firmware will be released late next week, unless more issues crop up during the testing phases. I really don't care at this point, as long as they fix as much as possible now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Should be Unofficial f/w beta testing and update discussion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
-for starters, update on update is we are still testing it. give it time. only been in testing phase over a week to 2 weeks now. feedback on it has been great so far so they close to finalizing it, as gary mentioned in his official post. So no i dont know the ETA. build is satisfactory, "so far", based on testing.

-there is a already a well known thread for issues. its called What you should know about Prime before Complaining thread...lol

- please drop the b.s. on who should or shouldn't be a beta tester or whatever. This isn't the first build I've tested as I've tested several others also. so this is not new to me and others. Just be grateful I'm even relaying info/updates, as I'm not obligated to do so. So in other words, i can completely shut down info, coming from me, on it. I'm trying to help you all out by at least keeping you in the loop on what's going on. Or at least the best i can with what I'm allowed to do. Don't mess it up for others by continuing the frivolous talk on who you think deserves to be a tester or not. its off topic and unneccessary. Asus has their reasons for choosing who they choose. leave it at that. Because they technically can cut us all off and no one here will be testing anything. then we all be in the dark at mercy of update releasing whenever it does and knowing nothing about it previously. If someone doesn't like my info or posts, DONT read it or ignore it. then just wait till Asus themselves update the official thread. which we all know is spread out sporadically because they are so busy. So just take my information as is and with a grain of salt if you want. I'm only trying to help and contribute to this prime forum. AND NO WE DONT JUST REPORT THE GOOD STUFF ABOUT THE BUILD. WE REPORT ANY BUGS OR PROBLEMS THERE ARE. AND IF ANY PROBLEMS STILL HAVENT BEEN FIXED YET. ALOT MORE GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES THAN WHAT IS POSTED AND SAID IN THIS FORUM
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] copc:
Thank you and to the other testers for working with Asus to get us these. There are those of us who do appreciate it and you know that. Keep up the good work!!! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
lucky for you, you OK with me ;)

-to answer your questions, yes i know exactly the gaming issue you describe. As i experienced the same thing also with the same solutions temporarily fixing them. Yes , the new build is supposed to address this. Still need to thoroughly test it out more as I've been having mixed results so far. But I've been more focused on stock browser testing so.

-no reboots being experienced so far on this build. as its very stable. it improved on the previous test build, which was .25.

-keyboard goofiness, it seems improved to me. as I'm typing with the dock now and its going fine.

-IMO, the ANR with stock browser has improved greatly. Haven't had any crashes/reboots/freeze/or ANR on stock browser so far. alot more stable and pleasing browsing experience from my end. plays flash videos fine also. This is a completely new stock browser app. along with thread priority changes.

the not so good info

-my mixed results on game testing so far but i will focus more on that now. I've already relayed back to them my mixed results so far. with gary being in Taipei for computex and finalizing build, responses are delayed.

bonus tip: Battery life is greatly improved, especially standby time. there are battery life enhancements in this build. I believe they eliminated the wifi battery drain issue. Battery life has improved even with me having wifi on all the time. even when not plugged in and in deep sleep.

theres a new wifi firmware version with new drivers. Ive noticed my wifi seems improved. Getting stronger signals and its more stable. meaning its holding the stronger signals longer. my range increased as i pick up my network from farther away now with a stronger signal. we will see how this affects other peoples primes. this is how its affecting my prime so far. Will do more quantitative testing on it for more precise results, like speed tests from various distances, signal strength in db from various distances, etc...

that's all i have for now ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Can you be more specific? What do you mean by "mixed results"? Same issues as with .21? If so, this is pretty discouraging.

Not trying to start any trolling and not trying to be negative, but given the development time for this update, plus the delays I was really hoping they'd have this ironed out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
thanks. We(testers) know most do appreciate it. ;)

i didnt mean to be so blunt but get tired of seeing that random comment always pop up every now and then..lol

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basically i need to focus more on game testing before saying whether its ultimately fixed or not. I will test all my thd games, which i have almost all of them, and other graphic intense games. It seems like its only Mass effect so far that likes to act up everynow and then. i heard they pulled it from the store, as far as prime compatibility, so it may be issue with game itself. I just need to thoroughly play more games before jumping to a conclusion. so i was just being honest in saying mixed results so far. at times, from limited testing on it so far, it seems improved. at others, i still have the issue. so more testing on games need to be done. i will go through all of mines. which is alot.

i can understand you feeling it should be ironed out already. At least they are working on it and its too early to say whether its fixed or not. Maybe SteveG can post his findings on game testing so far also. so i wouldnt jump to conclusion just yet. game testing is still going on. everyone wanted to know about browser at first. so intial testing involved alot of that. so im moving onto gaming. which is important to me also because i paid money for this great games and want to be able to play them without issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dvickers79:
Demandarin,

Thank you so much for passing on what information that you have. It is much appreciated. Now, if we can just get Asus to check out the I/O issues. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Thanks for the update.

As I said in my previous message (which I updated while you were replying :), I'm not trying to get people going, and I hope I don't sound like I'm complaining. I'm a software developer by trade, and can appreciate the complexities of what they're trying to fix, but I'm truly blown away by this. Can't believe Asus is letting this drag out the way it is. Given that a good portion of their user base is experiencing crashes and slowdowns, this classifies as a priority 2 issue... one step below total outage. Taking a few months to resolve a widespread P2 issue is crazy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i promise i will stress this to them, if they dont know already, to show this underlying issue needs addressing immediately as it possibly affects everything. They will know we are unsatisfied with poor I/O performance and lag on a quad core tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
The only games that I have had a problem with are Riptide 3d will stop and shutter everytime about 30 seconds into playing making it useless and Order and Chaos will just close as soon as it loads up. A simple reboot fixes Order and Chaos, but Riptide has been unplayable for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
So far I haven't had any issues with Riptide, so *hopefully* you'll be able to play it with no problems when the build gets released!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
Come on guys.....this is why we can't have nice things. Without Demandarin, we wouldn't know anything about the update at all. Demandarin was the one that let us all know about the update when it had been 2 months of waiting and complaint threads were popping up and getting closed on an hourly basis. He was also the one that got to test the gps dongle and was first to share pictures of it when we were in the dark. So lets just chill before another informative thread gets closed.:D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
In the pimpin world, they call people who do that playa haters! lol..Funny but it's oh so true sometimes. :p

Seriously, you said it perfectly. No company has to give ANY info on the status of their beta-testing. The fact that Demandarin is the ONLY one here giving us VALID info and not just spreading the usual negative comments, means a lot to people who actually own Primes and want it to perform at its best.

To Demandarin, remember the old saying, "Haters are going to hate, but if they stop, that means that you're doing something wrong bro" lol. Keep up the good work man.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
"Getting stronger signals and its more stable. meaning its holding the stronger signals longer. my range increased as i pick up my network from farther away now with a stronger signal"

If you get time, could you expand on your testing method if thats cool, i.e. router and prime location? number of walls? How much of an improvement in range are we talking about, a few feet, a few meters?

Thanks
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
And not to mention..............HE LOST ROOT FOR US.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pbelcomp:
Also, thanks to SteveG12543, who is answering questions on the beta, too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
No problem!

I've been playing Shadowgun THD for about half an hour now. The only odd behavior I've noticed so far was the screen going black randomly for like 7 seconds. It's happened three times in the last like 10 minutes of me playing, one of those was during a quick pause. While typing this (leaving it paused, of course), it hasn't happened again though. I'm gonna keep playing and see if anything else pops up.

It's a fun game though! I needed to use a controller to truly start enjoying it though. On screen controls bug me lol.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Yes, sorry..Thanks SteveG12543!!! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Tested more games and kept having mixed results. So i decided to try out Mr. CANNANDY method. Haven't had a single gaming issue since..lol. I've played like over 8-10 games. Kept playing them for a while and switching in between them and going back to previous ones. Especially the ones that crashed for me before. No matter what game I play or how many times I switched between them, all games played just fine. No slowdown, crashes, or anything at all. Mass effect played fine(which previously loved to act up every other time), my shadowgun THD played fine again(which kept crashing no matter what build), Zen ball played good, Riptide go was fine, dark meadows didn't crash, NBA jams played great.

SO I'm thinking what the hell is it about that method that's making games play so well. His method says soft reset prime, then immediately go into developer options and kill background processes upon leaving and limit background processes to no more than 1. Well this does limit Multitasking. I have a widget, elixir, that displays my Real-time RAM readings as it changes every few seconds. I have noticed after that mod, no matter what I'm doing and go back to home screen, I have no less than 550-650mb of free ram. Where before the mode, I would always dip low in the RAM. So I'm thinking its the ram for sure that's causing game crashes. I will test some more with Mrcannandy method. Then I will revert it back to normal settings again then reset. Then base that against the new build performance with games. If I go back to regular settings and mixed results continue, I will forward this new method and findings to Asus. AS its looking like background processes either crashing in background or using up ram, which the games need, are causing the gaming issues. Very interesting find. But will make sure to test these results against the beta build on normal settings again. This is just to be for sure and that this wasn't some kind of luck up or just because I soft reset. Although soft resetting on regular settings didn't always clear up issues. Especially with shadowgun THD and mass effect.

Remember this is my initial impression and will keep testing this vs. Regular settings. So nothing is concrete yet. This has no bearing on stock browsing experience as it works great on beta build on regular settings.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kasper31:
Demandarin can you please try the Deer Hunter Reloaded and Blood and Glory games by Glu cause after trying Mr.CANNANDY fix it will not work until I change the setting back to normal. But the other game are working fine. I still get the anr message when browsing but that might be due to the 6 tabs I have open.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
man..lol. here was my dedication to your request. I installed blood n glory NR blood n gore version. you know after initial install, once you start game up, it prepares and unpacks the downloaded files from install. well this crashed like a million times. I kept restarting it, like a million times, until it finally finished. it finished and guess what happens. it goes to first boot screen of game then crashes back to preparing files. it kept doing this like it was in some kind of boot loop or something. so i uninstalled THST mofo. don't have time for deer hunter but likely ill get same results if you said that wouldn't work on new method also. remwber though, this was with beta build and mrcannady method. didn't test it on beta build alone. I may try it again down the road. lol