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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
I feel I should comment on this, as I have significant experience regarding SOD and the dock/settings. When .21 first rolled out, I had no issues of note, and no SOD. I always test Wifi/Bluetooth/GPS with every new release and had reasonable performance from Wifi and Bluetooth. This particular build gave me decent GPS without the dongle (not consistent enough for navigation - but that's normal, just making the point because some builds gave me zero sats, but this build was good in that sense)

But somewhere into the first few weeks and I had a couple SOD's. It took a 2nd one before I looked it up and saw I was not alone. I tried few combinations of dock sleep mode, and "Disconnect Network during sleep" in Asus customized settings but this did not prevent SOD, but perhaps reduced the frequency? Probably not even that. Anyway, I ended up turning off the 2 I just mentioned and also under WiFi turned that off so Wifi was always on during sleep. All this did not help my battery life, I can tell ya that!

But my main point is that at some point I stopped getting and occurrences of SOD. I haven't had one in many many weeks, maybe 6-7 weeks now. Just typing this ia like ASKING to get one, LOL! I did want to mention this for what it's worth, which, without some more specific actions and settings, it isn't worth much, I realize.

We all agree that Prime tend to have a wide range of behaviors to any given update. Much more than the norm. It is strange that code that fixes one Primes reboots, CAUSES reboots for another, but in this case I had a behavior change while on the same firmware. Sigh.

The suggestion is, if you have SOD, try to toggle the settings I mentioned, and perhaps you will hit a combination that stops it at some point as I have.

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Why should we be forced to wait for YOUR birthday? Today is SOMEONES BIRTHDAY, SOMEWHERE... Lets GO, ASUS!!!

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Android Needs Rework
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stinebd:
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that your "dock battery saving" is disabled, "disconnect network during sleep" is disabled, and "wifi sleep policy" is never.

I've been running with that same configuration since I started having issues with .21 (my only change was turning off the dock battery saver, as I always keep wifi on for all my Android devices), and unfortunately it doesn't solve any problems for me. It made the SoD more sporadic for a week or two but it went back to its usual antics.

Also I eventually tried a factory reset, which also helped for a week or so and then went back to normal.

Thanks for the suggestion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theandies:
Where did Gary post this up?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
It's the title of the last post on this thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mickeylittle:
According to Google the F in FOTA = Firmware and not Forced!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theandies:
Thanks

I was looking in the product update thread not the new forum support thread. This is exciting. I should get my Prime back from RMA (Blacks on screen turned Red) Wednesday or Thursday so this will be good timing. I already did a factory wipe before sending it in and will have to install all my apps again but I'll have a clean slate to work with + new firmware (unless the repair center put .28 on it already, highly unlikely I think).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] crystalstylez:
FOTA means Firmware Over The Air
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
here is what i got after running this through terminal emulator. looks like same results as steveG, that ran it through adb on pc
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sparkym3:
That's 2 pieces of evidence that indicate Asus patched the symlink exploit, thus removing the new root method and the downgrade method.

Back to the drawing board.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mickeylittle:
That's what I said in post 375.:D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimgirl:
Thanks Demandarin..... The suspense is killing me ;-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
Maybe a new update dongle! Since when things don't work.....here's a dongle.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bahurs1:
All this **** on the forums make my think that the prime has reached its end of life span, but then I got a chance to play with a chinese tablet......can't love the prime more then ever now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
Time will tell
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
As always, thanks man..the majority here appreciate your feedback. I wonder if those who feel that your help is not reliable or up-to-date are waiting to read what you have to say also...$1,000.00 bucks says yes lol!

XDA is about those helping who have knowledge of a situation, that's one of the many things that makes XDA great..not just bashing or joining in the *bashing club* on those who are only trying to help just to boost up you your Thank You points. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
omg the suspense and I gotta go to bed now @_~

I might wake up at 3 am just to read what Demandarin posted lol!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
He might just tell us that he is actually Gary and that the update was delayed partially due to the update to android 4.1, which had to be tweaked before release, and that Asus plans on giving us a truly un-lockable option for the Prime!

Demandarin aka Gary, you can smack me later if I spoiled the surprise my friend lol :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Eddy315west:
How did u become a tester ismy ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Thanks for the update!

I hope you get a paycheque from Asus, because you're the one doing all the communication with the user base!

Do you have any idea why Asus/Gary hasn't done anything to keep the users in the loop? I realize they don't *have* to keep us updated, but when an ETA comes and goes, you'd think they'd do a little "expectation management".

Plus, since what you're saying is good news from a quality perspective, I don't understand why they wouldn't want to be the ones to deliver the message...

Anyways, again, thanks!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arby80:
You can never have enough dongles. I am waiting, on my 3rd. lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimgirl:
Thanks Demandarin for the update on your testing, yet another interesting and informed post from you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Thx for testing and answering demandarin :) Good to have people like you on board, no matter what trollz may say!

I also think its a good move from ASUS to wait and release a good build instead of trying to rush and hotfix stuff, which will only end up in more problems. Thats all i wanted to know btw :) Now i know why there is a delay and i dont care about waiting as long as i know they're still working on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dagrim1:
And we wait some more...

*Sigh* But I must admit that at least asus releases updates. Too bad it takes this long.

I wonder how many tablets asus would sell if others also had this sweet keyboard dock. For me it's the reason why I'm sticking with asus but otherwise the tablet is quite dissappointing... Feels like it should be able to perform tons better.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I was just chosen by them. I guess based on my forum activity and in depth use & frequency of my prime. We became cool through several initial email exchanges and they see I try to help people the best I can I here.

I feel what you're saying. I seriously doubt its anything intentional on their part. We all know the prime situation has been a handful. They are consumed trying to get things right with prime and they still have their other products to tend to also. Plus Gary not being in good health lately affects the updates coming from him. He has really been sick lately. Even me getting responses back from them has been long. So its not like I always get immediate replies or answers to questions I ask that alot up here looking for answers to. I'm sure they will get on the ball more shortly.

They will likely update their Official thread once update ready to go live. I've just been giving updates based on what I know and from my testing. I originally wasn't going to reveal anymore info up here due to a select few who has an issue with others helping out anyway they can. That's why I initially said to just pm me. but looking at how many messages, emails, or whatever I received shows that alot more people are appreciative of the info or my insight. So I won't deny these people the info they want to know based on the negative actions/posts of a select few. I'm not here to argue with people back in forth one their doubts of what I know or what I'm testing. No one forces you to read my posts. You don't like what I have to say, keep it moving. I've been an avid prime user since the beginning. The negativity of a few won't scare me away..lol. Its already a shame I had to recently put one guy on ignore because he came out of now where trying to tell me about things he has no clue of. Especially when it came to these beta builds.

Anyways, your welcome and glad to spread the word on what's been going on, from my viewpoint.

As for the paycheck thing, ;) Trust me, it has its perks and appreciative of it. But I'm Crossing my fingers & hoping they let me test padfone or infinity pad..lol

I know right..lmfao. I already have 3. SMH. They Dongling us to death...lol. no more Dongs ...lmfao

no problem. just trying to help out anyway I can.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
BOTH sides need to stop "trolling"

BOTH sides have valid points

We all want the prime to do well, (even ones who are "complaining"), to gain support, and have a thriving active dev forum, but thats not gonna happen untill asus makes the prime experience reliable and consistant

Demandrin's info is something asus could have provided very easilly, and i guarantee you if they had, it would have alleviated some of this tension. Just a simple "were experimenting with something, sorry for short delay, we will keep you updated" is better then nothing, especially when the supposed deadline has come and gone (demandrin, you seem like a nice enough fella, but you probably should have kept silent on tha one)

Everyone has a right to complain as long as their complaint is a valid one

Ive been frustrated a few times to write as some of you like to name"troll" posts, but i restrain myself, want to give asus a chance to fix things, but nearly 2 months plus, without so much as a howdy do on how things are progressing.

This trolling on BOTH sides aint gonna stop, untill both sides stop, otherwise both sides will just keep setting off the other, and then were back back in the cycle

Ceasefire, positive side, acknowledge that the prime has issues, and negative side, at least wait until the new firmwares released before ripping a new one

or not *shrugs
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LNJ:
How about the wifi battery drain issue?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hellalucard:
One thing I really like to know is if the prime still bugs out every now and then on youtube videos?!?

I normally only get reboots right after youtube videos start to glitch.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I see your point and agree. But based on 50+ pm's I received asking about it, people are tired of waiting. Asus will release their own official update when they ready. this was just something till then. who knows when they will come up here n update. Based on feedback here, alot seem happy to know some kind of progress made. regardless if its from Asus themselves or not.

in my case, I've been acknowledged prime has some issues. I'm dealing with a gaming issue myself. so I'm part of those with an issue.

That is something I will test out on this new build once I get it installed. As I know this was a big issue also. if it doesn't improve it, ill make sure to relay That back. thanks for the reminder on that issue.

I never had that happen on 21 or .25. ill let you know how prime acts on .28 after a while.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flewpastu:
Thanks for your feedback i love my prime although i may have been expecting a little snappier being a quad but it's great had virtuous Rom and now Andrew wook custom but I know what it's like being a beta tester I had been a SWAT team software beta tester for PCpitstop.com still a mod there i just don't do as much computer work any more

I'll patiently await the release ...... :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hellalucard:
Asus should look at this for a future update (So sooner so better hehe)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1702569
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
damn....noooooooo...lmfao damn that sux. They are on top of things it seems..lol people better have their root backed up with voodoo or be caught like me with no more root until new method is found. if infinity pad ships with .28 then they will be outback also.

i miss overclocking and adfree :( but this build has been running really good though. i was just so used to being overclocked previously. Seems like no loss in overall speed going back to stock speeds though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Moist:
Seems as though ASUS are more interested in stopping people root their devices than actually fixing the device. lol...

So, we need to work on more ways to get root, then ASUS will be on the case again, and release a patch to fix the exploit, and then a few other bits("features") to make it look like that's what the patch was really for...

The more we can get root, the more patches we get!

:P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TechSavvy2:
Maybe someone with better knowledge than myself can help me figure out my wonderment. Why would Asus give us unlock tool, then try to block root method?? I realize all oem suppliers do this, but why? What is unlocking without root? I'm actually asking this literally, what can you do being unlocked that you can't do rooted? Isn't it like giving you a working engine but locking the transmission?

Like I said though, I literally have no clue about that aspect.....(I do realize you can still do some stuff with just root and no unlock though)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] YoMarK:
TechSavvy2: I think the whole idea is that only the stock Prime firmware is(going to be?) certified for Google Play Movies.

Google Play Movies is not supposed to be working on rooted devices(although sometimes it works or you could just unroot your device and re-root it after playing a movie ). Also: Google Play Movies isn't supposed to work on custom firmware's, and by default it doesn't.

Because you know: if you root or have a custom firmware running, you're automatically a pirate, and should not be allowed to actually buy a movie from the play store(A movie you could get from a 100 other sources without paying). I also fail to understand this logic, but this seems to be the case. ;)

So ASUS is making it difficult to root your device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] djmcnz:
No, confused logic guys.

ASUS 'allows' rooted devices if they're unlocked. What they want to prevent is rooting a locked device which is the same for all manufacturers. They don't want root apps running on platforms that they need to provide a warranty for. Since there's no way of only allowing "safe" root apps they need to block them all.

Rooting a locked device is an exploit.

Rooting an unlocked device is a trivial exercise and ASUS are not preventing this in any way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
But that's still not the full story. Please keep in mind that rooting on android is similar to having admin rights on windows.

If there are root exploits, pretty much every app could use that exploit on a non rooted device and therefore get root rights.

You might not really care but keep in mind that this can be used by malicious code ti be executed.

Root exploits are security holes, just like on windows. That's why they get fixed.

Sent from my HTC One X
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tf201:
Let's be clear Asus has stated publicly that they are attempting to block root and locked the boot loader at Google's request and by contractual agreement.

The warranty and security stuff makes sense its just not 100% accurate. This is about Google being able to track you (can't freeze apps and block auto starts without root) and DRM for their third tier media delivery services.

Please excuse my tone but Google forgot some of its tenants and it pisses me off.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
Source? Not doubting you, just want to see more info/context.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Gremlin001:
+1
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tf201:
I can try to find some links and post later. I know its a legal contract though something along the lines of "manufacture needs to try to secure the device to the best of their ability". I wouldn't be surprised if all major device manufactures with play movies (or whatever terrible branding they used) has been roped into such a contract.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] djmcnz:
Sorry but that's rubbish. If this was their philosophy then the Nexus range wouldn't exist. Google doesn't give a **** if you do either.

For video apps no root is a studio requirement, not a Google one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nickedynick:
That would make sense from an "as shipped" point of view, since it would make the devices would be secure by default, but I can't see that it would affect matters if the user specifically chooses to use an unlocking method.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] st33med:
No, Google doesn't make businesses lock bootloaders at all, that's the manufacturer's decision. If anything, carriers do a lot of forcing manufacturers to lock bootloaders, which helps make the devices more secure. I do wish they would allow the bootloader to be unlocked though, even if it is partially unlocked. And no, you can tell Google to not track you from your Android and they most likely won't (not to mention there are privacy policies that Google heavily enforces with collecting such data). And don't get started on DRM, that's just to protect IP heavy content and allow app developers to have the profit for the price they ask for.

The reason for a void warranty on unlock is not only to deter people from doing it but also that if you do manage to screw up your device, Asus isn't liable for what you did to it and most likely will not repair it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
Nope. You're wrong on this. Google doesn't request any of what you're saying. Perhaps you're confusing the issue of U.S. cell phone carriers requesting that these things be blocked. Verizon and AT&T particularly have a history of doing this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
Source = BS
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Yeah, unfortunately as with most things in the Prime world what works for me may or may not work for you. I was suggesting that

possibly

toggling these setting may have a positive effect or even stop SOD entirely. The primary reason that I cannot provide an "exact sequence" or group of workable settings is that my Prime stopped doing SOD about a week AFTER I chose my current settings, throwing a couple pissy last SODs before deciding to behave. Really, it's more luck than science that resolved my SOD issue... for now (disclaimer to prevent spiteful return of SOD by my Prime, which I have to keep an eye on every second, really!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JamesRC:
@AsusUK have announced the update will be available "soon".

(I'm mobile, see twitter for the tweet!)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MadmanJay:
I am surprised that no one has commented on the fact that Gary said that. 28 was coming this week and that he was going to start testing the next beta firmware this week which addresses browser issues. Do you think we will be getting two updates close together?

Or did I misunderstand his comment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] st33med:
No you didn't misunderstand, however, I don't think any beta testers here have it yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thenrz:
With all the input they are getting from xda, i hope its safe to assume i/o and sqlite et all...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Actually, any moment(was supposed to get it this morning) i should be receiving .29 to install and test out. I'm not sure if these two updates will be close together or not. seems likely since the next test build is .29 build. it could change, which has happened before, and i receive an even newer build.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TechSavvy2:
a

I was actually wondering this too...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mopar400:
It's here!!

Available in Wisconsin

Who is going to install first!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ylexot:
Updated and restored root with no problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ramis:
@demandarin

i was wondering if you could ask gary to implement unlocking using the tablet with the dock lock button.

i think cm9 already has this function.

currently you can only lock using the lock button.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bugblatter:
I'm installing the update so I can't check, but I think you just need to enable the 'Allow keyboard dock to wake tablet" option in the Asus settings. My dock wakes the tablet if I press any key, including the lock key. I think this drains a little extra battery as the keyboard's powered even while the tablet's asleep.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ramis:
oh awesome, didn't know this option existed. although i would still prefer just the lock button waking it up, rather than any button
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] davetwin:
Update received

Just downloaded update here in england, root access restored no problems
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arcangel1:
Battery problems?

Does anyone else have trouble charging their prime? Mine can't seem to hold its charge. I was able to charge it quickly before the update
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
D:

Im going to try to postpone the update for as long as possible I think.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
mine charges just fine. try a rebiot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
Anybody with DE German fw who received the OTA 28?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jake Y. Tweet:
Nope, my Prime can't find a DE update either. I guess it'll be out a little later.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
Probably in a week or 10 days like always :(

I really hope to be wrong tho hehe.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] drvsbsm:
By the way things are going you might be glad you didn't get the update. A lot of Primes have been messed up with this update.

If anyone can help me out with my problem on post 101 in this thread thanks!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1707362&page=11
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
I think its just a glitch, my friend had the same error on his prime a couple of weeks ago.

It sorted itself out, not sure if he had to reboot or not though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Not really. just slot having update fail. take a look at .28 review/poll thread & alot ate happy so far with it.

Ill take a look at your post to see if I can help.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
So far the problems I have seen is people who either messed with System files or the Build.prop and tried to updated with a modified System.

User error, not Asus imo.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gatville:
.28 update bad news for wifi

I have suffered with weak and stuttering wifi on my Prime since January, hoping that updates would improve it. I finally RMA`d it three weeks ago and to my surprise it was returned, fixed, after ten days and the wifi performance has since been much improved. That is, until I downloaded update .28! Now it`s worse than before. And that, in my opinion, is the reason Gary K mentioned they are working on update .29, because they realised they`d made a right pigs ear of the wifi in .28.