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[Sony Smartwatch] Stu|:
Not yet but I suspect you're right about it being firmware. This is like old Sony pushing out firmware without testing it properly.

I'm going to make a nandroid and install a stock rom as one last test tonight. At least that will rule out cm
[Sony Smartwatch] NipplesOfTheFuture:
No, this is definitely an issue with CM 10.1 R3/R4. There are other bluetooth issues with these releases.

There is no issue with R1 or R2. Flashing any other ROM even using 4.2.2 as well causes no issues.
[Sony Smartwatch] brainbeatuk:
I'm on prime runner asop 4.2.2 nexus 4
[Sony Smartwatch] bravoleader:
Well Well i tried to pair the smartwatch with my wife's galaxy s3 mini stock and it works without problems.

I can second the theory where the problem is the CM...

F
[Sony Smartwatch] :
So all the other wires are just for data?
[Sony Smartwatch] NipplesOfTheFuture:
It's not for support. These wires act as a ground, shielding the power and data lines from outside interference.

And if you sever the data lines in the USB charging cable, forget being able to install or restore the firmware in the event that your phone cannot.
[Sony Smartwatch] Torpey13:
Currently on the lookout for one in my area on craigslist.
[Sony Smartwatch] Stu|:
Cm RC5 seems to be working properly now.
[Sony Smartwatch] iNfeKTziA:
Thanks for the info! will help me
[Sony Smartwatch] hibiskus:
Hi guys need some tips, yesterday I received Smartwatch, and theres no way i can pair it with my phone. The phone itself is Alcatel ot-922d based on MT6577 chipset.

When i first tried to pair it, it just went to that endless reboot loop, so pairing was no go. I kinda got frustrated with attempting, and after some time browsing I updated smartwatch via desktop machine, and boy oh boy i managed to pair it and i saw time displayed. But, after 3 seconds watch lost connection and now there is no way to make it work.

problems look like this:

1. hard reset SW, remove smartconnect and smartwatch apps, remove paired device, reseted phone. Result: i can pair both devices, but SW hangs on that animation where it tries to connect to the phone (i installed smart connect after pairing)

2. if i just unpair device without reseting and reinstalling i dont get pair code on phone(i get it on SW) so SW stays in papiring mode 10 sec until shutdown

3. my borther also has alcatel but different model, and same issue on his phone. But my wife has some older alcatel on android 2.2, and SW on her phone works flawlessly :|

I reckon it has something to do with my BT module, so i was wondering is there any app for hardreseting BT or something like that, or any other tip will come handy. Thanks :)
[Sony Smartwatch] Neikon66:
Open SmartWatch Project

Open SmartWatch Project h ttp://developer.sonymobile.com/services/open-smartwatch-project/

Copy to Sony's web

"We are now taking the next step to open up SmartWatch. Previously, you’ve been able to create apps for SmartWatch with the Sony Add-on SDK, but now we hope to see even more innovation as we’re making it possible for advanced developers to create and flash alternative firmware, by sharing technical details and instructions.

However, before you create and flash alternative firmware to SmartWatch, it’s crucial that you read through the important information below.

Limitations

Please note that by flashing alternative firmware to SmartWatch it will no longer work as intended. You will no longer be able to use SmartConnect or any compatible SmartWatch app available on Google Play™.

Important information – read this before flashing alternative firmware

Please note that you may void the warranty of your device and/or any warranty from your operator if you flash alternative firmware to SmartWatch. See your device’s warranty statement for details. Additionally, due to the modified device software, Sony’s repair network will likely have to replace key components before it can properly test, repair and verify your device using our repair tools and software. Consequently, if Sony performs a warranty repair, Sony will likely charge you a significant service fee for the additional costs caused by your modification of the software.

Sony can no longer guarantee the full functionality of your device, and will not be responsible for any alternative firmware being put on the device. Certain functions on your device might cease to work, and performance might not be ideal. You might also damage your device permanently. In the worst case, flashing alternative firmware may cause physical injuries or material damage, for example, due to the device overheating.

With all of the above in mind, you should only flash alternative firmware to SmartWatch if you are an advanced developer with good knowledge of the technology and risks involved. We recommend standard users not to flash alternative firmware, as it is not needed. We are proud to deliver great software experiences through our rigorously tested and official software releases.

If you are fully aware of the risks involved, and if you are an experienced developer, you can continue to the flash alternative firmware to SmartWatch by following the instructions on the pages below."

I can't wait to see the first rom to Sony smartwatch
[Sony Smartwatch] neolode:
You beat me to the punch :). Can't wait for the hack day they are organising on the 15th and see what comes out of it.

They actually have a section where you can get the current firmware as well as where they will probably publish alternative ones
[Sony Smartwatch] damngood98:
wow...really glad to see this. i was getting ready to sell this pos. probably worth holding onto for a bit longer now although i really wish sony would have done this much earlier. i wonder how many of those capable of developing for this have already moved on

Edit... just thought about the guy recommending cutting the data wires out of the charger... That sounds like a really terrible idea now, lol
[Sony Smartwatch] ScatteredHell:
Btw, how much cost this watch?
[Sony Smartwatch] :
You seriously can't look it up?
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
WooHoo ! :)

I have an MW-! Smart BT/FM/Music headset and I found similar hardware indicated in the 0.1.B.0.6 firmware file:

(Hacker guide: http://developer.sonymobile.com/services/open-smartwatch-project/smartwatch-hacker-guide/ )

- ST-Ericsson STLC2690 Bluetooth and FM chip: www.stericsson.com/products/stlc2690-bluetooth.jsp

- STMicroelectronics STM32F2xx MCU: http://www.emcu.it/STM32/STM32F2xx/STM32F2xx.html

- MicroC/OS-II RTOS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroC/OS-II

- Wolfson WM8904 CODEC: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/codecs/WM8904/

I think I'll be getting a SmartWatch now. I'm wondering if FM radio can be coaxed out of it.

Now if we could just figure out where Sony hid the code and the tools to build it...

If it's "MicroC/OS-II RTOS", then are the tools non-free ? That would stink.
[Sony Smartwatch] willfck4beer:
Red positive 5v

Black 0/gnd?

Green/white data +-

Silver shielding? Ground?

I've cut so many of these cables open this week, I'm so sick of the thin thin wires. Amperage draw seems to vary widely when I bend or flex cables. Was wondering why.

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Fyi fwiw. Just made a thin film flexible solar watch strap that will keep smartwatch 1 alive indefinitely with screen on. I know nothing about smart watch 2 yet but it may work for yall.

I'm getting about 59.6ma from watch strap. What kind of draw/load does smarter watch2 have? Anyone have details on the battery?
[Sony Smartwatch] ML417:
I wanna say the battery is like 150 or 300 mAh lasts me an entire day with always on or a week with normal watch face.
[Sony Smartwatch] brainbeatuk:
Hi Mike is that the Sony erricson BT headset with FM player 3 Bluetooth. I got same one I think. Not on me at mo. Good news about that open source goodness :)
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
No Ericsson. Just Sony "Smart Wireless Headset pro" model "MW-1" : http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/smart-wireless-headset-pro/

I imagine the older MW-600 is different hardware, but who knows.

On StackExchange, where Sony tries to provide public answers, a rep said they would NOT release a schematic. Sony tries to show open-ness, but then they put up walls. Gee, the chips are ancient technology now. Maybe ST Micro holds that up, or just the usual patent paranoia.

Sony still hasn't released source code or tools. Some indication it would be an Arduino environment, and not the commercial RTOS they've been using... (?)
[Sony Smartwatch] Blu3h4ck3r:
i bought smartwatch and display blinks (very speedy but like strobe) is that normal?
[Sony Smartwatch] TheEndGame7:
No... Try Resetting it though!
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
IMO, Once again, Sony raises hopes about it's open-ness, then dashes them with the realities.

Xperia S AOSP: Experimental and no longer supported.

Xperia Z AOSP: Helpful I guess for FreeXperia/CM, but missing stock features and will also presumably be abandoned within a year.

Opening up SmartWatch: No schematics, very limited technical info, no source or tools for the existing stock firmware, and a promise that maybe, eventually an Arduino environment will be created.

LOL, I just found this page saying the same thing: http://projectgus.com/2013/06/sonys-open-source-smartwatch/

Here's the quote from Jerker Lindgren Götsten here: http://developer.sonymobile.com/201...twatch-create-and-flash-alternative-firmware/

I'm not sure what they added to the Hackers page, but the link for the Bluetooth chip is merely a single web page with a general feature description; nowhere near a useful data sheet.

So I guess this Arduino build, when it arrives, will be rather limited and won't support any of the Android connectivity features.

So no SmartWatch for me, I think.
[Sony Smartwatch] techker:
Hey guys my smart watch doesn't want to boot...

i can charge it and when i release the cable it vibs and i see the sony logo but that's it...it there a way to like hard reset..

even when i press on the power button for like 20 sec..nothing happens..
[Sony Smartwatch] darren1:
Try cleaning the contacts on the charging cable and watch with a clean dry cloth and charging again.
[Sony Smartwatch] techker:
cool i tried..seems better to charge but the watch does not load still..i see it charging and when i remove it the sony txt and vib but nothing else..
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
Sony's next-generation SmartWatch will include NFC: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-34900_...-next-generation-smartwatch-will-include-nfc/

Sony teases new smartwatch announcement for next week: http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/21/sony-teases-new-smartwatch/

LOL: Sony is re-launching its SmartWatch, but consumers will probably continue to ignore it: http://qz.com/96892/sony-is-re-laun...onsumers-will-probably-continue-to-ignore-it/
[Sony Smartwatch] JHilderbrando:
Thanks!

Really exciting, I hope they keep the price low too!

And unlike the suggestions by the writer of the last article I hope it doesn't work with non android devices which would simply limit the functionality and development.

Also can I suggest that anyone ever who writes an article complaining that current wearable tech is not stand alone and needs a smart phone be publicly shamed. Absolutely moronic, its like reviewing a car and saying they should of made it hover, or reviewing a door and saying well I don't like that it doesn't instantly transport me to my intended destination.

Rant over :)
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
If Sony added SmartWatch support for WinPhone and/or iPhone, I don't think that necessarily means Android development would slow. In fact it could mean a larger budget and other improvements for the SmartWatch products.

I'm a big Android fan and an Android focused developer, but competition is good, be it smartphones, smartphone OS's or smart peripherals like watches. Having a healthy "eco-system" of devices, OS's and apps is IMO a good thing.

I respectfully disagree. The Sony BT/FM/MP3 smart headsets work fine, for FM and MP3, when my phone is off or far away. IMO that's a good thing.

I would also prefer that a SmartWatch also be as independent as is reasonable. I'm not even sure, but can Sony SmartWatch even show time when there is no phone nearby ? Or is it just the smartphone based apps that won't work ?

This SmartWatch dependence on a nearby connected phone is one of the reasons I'm not too thrilled with Sony's watch. I'd like to be able to run apps on it standalone, as well as connected. Ideally those apps would be actual Android apps I can build with the usual app tools, albeit likely specially adapted small apps. But this has issues too, as we've seen on some other watches with small Android 2.1 or whatever ROMs, at least with current technology.
[Sony Smartwatch] JHilderbrando:
Look at the pebble as evidence. I wouldn't mind if it worked with other OS but if it did the platform would either be significantly more complex or have to limit functionality. Ideally a device that could do more when connected to a phone would work with all manor of OS but let's be realistic if you take dev time x for android and x for iOS for example your looking at 2x for the same function and 2x times the support when it changes. Its not viable without limiting function. Much rather have an apple watch for iOS and a Google / Sony watch for android that can do more!

Secondly yes the smart watch still tells the time disconnected. I'm not contesting and saying more functionality would be bad, if I could perform some more tasks great but that's not what reviewers write. Constantly I see a negative point as "it has to connect to a phone", not "it doesn't have a wide range of function when not connected to a phone" which are two very different things. The former suggests you want 3/4g, storage, audio, GSM, apps etc basically a phone which to fit in a watch or glass for example is utterly ridiculous and to which my metaphor was aimed. The latter is quite reasonable although some specifics would be more responsible e.g I would like it to allow me to use as a calculator stand alone or connect to WiFi and use some apps.

I read a lot of reviews of wearable tech, I've been an early adopter for a good few years even molding my own forearm bracer with a slot for my old desire (barely used it in the end) and rarely do I see a rational review of the connected to a phone "issue" I would love to see some long term study of how far away our devices ever are from us anyway I found my phone is rarely out of reach and as a phone is big and basically acts as a central core for my wearable tech I think the issue is overrated anyway.

Its all subjective anyway and I respect your point of view while still disagreeing largely :)
[Sony Smartwatch] :
Wow. You people have alot of free time
[Sony Smartwatch] JHilderbrando:
I type while on the **** box, it all adds up you should try it...
[Sony Smartwatch] :
Haha. Remind me not to borrow your tablet.
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
:)

My perspective may be different because I don't usually walk around with a phone in my pocket. I'm much more likely to leave it on a table or counter when walking around in my house or around my yard, unlike a watch I might expect to wear more consistently.

And that's largely due to the fact that I rarely use my phones as phones, and use "Pay as you Go" because it's cheaper for me. I'm from a "long lost generation" that remembers the great expense and excitement of long distance calls handled by human operators, LOL.
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
Most door-knobs and light switches have just as many germs as toilet surfaces, especially if you have kids or don't wash with soap vigorously afterwards.

It's not like we run a virtual toilet paper app and wipe/swipe with the tablet...
[Sony Smartwatch] JHilderbrando:
I can understand from that perspective how independent functionality would be more important.

I'm maybe part of what we would consider the in between generation, I remember VHS only movie rentals, Windows 3.11 and BBC Micro's. I, and most I know, always have the phone within reach, furthest away when on charge in the bedroom for example. And as I'm sure we are all aware the current, and up and coming, generations are always glued to their devices.

I've always imagined the wearable tech concept to go one of two ways. Distributed functionality and computing e.g. my watch does a bit my shoes another, my glass unit another etc. All building to offer the same stuff a phone can do. But that is a long way off, so at the moment I see the phone as a central computing core like the dwindling days of the tower unit and a watch, glass, Nike fuel+, smart socks, smart shoes (and so on) as input / output devices for that core.

I'm ideally hoping for a slicker, better quality device that's more stable and reliable with contactless charge, NFC and maybe a bit more excitement and dev investment. I think as a poc the MN2 proved its market, now Sony please capitalise!

Enjoyed debating with you :)
[Sony Smartwatch] udit.kumar:
There we go ! Smart Watch v2 .. guess i should have waited to buy this watch instead the old version!

http://mashable.com/2013/06/25/sony-smartwatch-2-android/
[Sony Smartwatch] anubius:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_announces_the_waterresistant_smartwatch_2-news-6270.php

Yes it on. Finally water resistant. Just don't understand why couldn't they done it form the beginning.
[Sony Smartwatch] udit.kumar:
can we use our watch in the rain?
[Sony Smartwatch] anubius:
You can. I think it is splash resistent but not water resistant so you can not submerge it into water.
[Sony Smartwatch] aka_sirok:
nope it is semi-water resistant I mean in the sony's webpage

says not to bath or do water active activities with it, so its not really "water resistant"...

Im really thinking about buying it just because of the battery and the better visibility with sun (I live in a city which in summer is mostly sunny and about 40C degrees) it alsp have solved the matter with the charger (now its micro USB)
[Sony Smartwatch] anubius:
Ok it looks like the new watch will be 200 Euro. Sony is really crazy. There is no way in the world it should be that expensive. With this money I can make a descent phone upgrade so I'm am buying this for sure. My old watch still can do the job.
[Sony Smartwatch] NapalmDawn:
I wonder. Has anybody ever coded a remote camera app? IE-an app for the smartwatches that allowed you to flip between front/rear cameras and then have it trigger the shutter.

Oops spoke too soon.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.cameraclick.com&hl=en

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmail.nagamatu.liveware.shutterwatch&hl=en
[Sony Smartwatch] pixel7474:
appreciate the vid!

Thanks for posting this vid. I've been interested in the SmartWatch!
[Sony Smartwatch] IceDevil2k:
this looks like a crappy UI :eek:

like a mixture of old sony ericsson, android and iphone :confused: i would love a innovative Swype-UI

there are menu buttons like on android - come on sony! this looks a quick build to attract some customers just before apple will release their smartwatch
[Sony Smartwatch] pismycop:
Very good

Very good
[Sony Smartwatch] FC1032:
Looking at the new smart watch, I'm happy with this one.

I think it'd absurd people demand a smart watch to have full fledged phone capabilities. I would have liked the watch to be able to have normal digital watch functions like timer, stop watch and alarm capability without the phone, but as it stands it's not bad.
[Sony Smartwatch] anubius:
Couldn't agree more
[Sony Smartwatch] Asiansniper911:
It's too small to be useful as a full fledged device, people just want way too much.
[Sony Smartwatch] thearif:
At the moment I am using the Sony's first smart watch (MN2) and I am quite happy with it and the new one looks great with standalone watch alarm etc. and I may consider upgrading. However the thing that I don't like the most is the absence of an always on watch display with erratic double tap feature. I know it drains the battery but why not use e-ink kind of display. Pebble can do it, metawatch can do it and with always on displays they can get a week of battery runtime. Having a color screen on a watch is kind of a waste if you ask me and kind of an overkill. I just need a watch with notifications and maybe music control. I won't ever use it to look at pictures for sure. I guess the new Sony smartwatch also is similar to the old one with some sort of waking mechanism to see the time :( . I will wait for metwatch and pebbles prices to go down a bit further and then decide whether to buy the new Sony after I see a bit more detail on the Sony sw2.
[Sony Smartwatch] shinji21:
I agreed on using the eink for time displaying. But I also think the potential of having a color display is great. Its not only about color but also the refresh rate. Imagine if u are using the map app or video app with eink.

My personal take is to use the eink for normal time displaying and notification. And then put the samsung transparent lcd display on top for more function and disable the eink underneath. Battery and function, best of both world.
[Sony Smartwatch] brie987:
Most ideal.
[Sony Smartwatch] yong_ys:
MN2 (0.1.B.1.3) Battery Draining Fast

Just got my MN2 last 2 days, firmware immediately updated to 0.1.B.1.3 while first connecting to Smart Connect on my S3. The battery can only last 6 to 8 hours on typical use with the default max-battery clock face plus only 4 apps (Miss Call, Call Handling, Messaging and Weather) installed, 3 to 7 days battery life sounds impossible to me. The double tap doesn't function at all after a new event triggered, only can use button to turn it on, what's a stupid and noticeable error, seems like Sony engineer is at bottleneck to support this watch, that's why they started the Open Firmware Project on MN2. Hope that there will be new custom firmware release that could removes all these bugs. :rolleyes:
[Sony Smartwatch] thearif:
Well one should not expect a map app that is as feature rich as the phone version. I think a better version for the watch is some kind of navigation. Like turn left, right here and there with a less graphic intensity and it can be done on a monochrome screen.

To me, watching videos is useless on a watch. However, camera preview can be useful feature.

I don't know. Today, yet another smart watch is introduced through crowd funding. See http://www.smartwatchnews.org. It has voice and gesture input and sounds great. Smart watches are maturing for sure.
[Sony Smartwatch] mikereidis:
AFAICT, whenever they release whatever they release (and they haven't yet), it will be standalone.

IE, the Arduino firmware will not have the features that allow current smartwatch apps on a phone to do stuff on the watch.

I'm not Googling every day for new news, so I presume nothing new has happened in the last week.
[Sony Smartwatch] maximo86:
Its so beautifull

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[Sony Smartwatch] tanguita:
I have an s3 an suffer from constant disconnects when using any cm10.1 or aosp ROM. On any stock based ROM it works flawlessly... Anyone with the same issue or, better yet, that has solved the issue?

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[Sony Smartwatch] darren1:
Could be phone going to sleep. Have a look at my previous post

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37016878&postcount=353
[Sony Smartwatch] Stu|:
I also get this issue on CM10.1 It doesn't happen all the time and I seem to solve it by turning off bluetooth on the phone and turning it back on, while turning the watch off and on again.

It doesn't happen all the time though, but happens at least once per day and that's very annoying and it sucks the watch battery no end.