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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
Well, after another 45 mins or so of playing Shadowgun, I got two more of the black screens and then it completely closed out on me shortly after. FWIW, this is the only game that I've had issues with so far. I'll test out the soft reset + developer option settings tomorrow and see if that helps. Then I'll start testing out Mass Effect for a while, then Mass Effect + developer settings. Until then though... Sleep :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aleandre1974:
SD to uSD transfers

Dear beta testers,

Could please one of you try what I was suggesting a few days back with a transfer from the (docked) sd card reader directly to a microSD inserted in the prime (or the other way round) ?

In my experience, any significant file transfer (say, more than a few dozens of megabytes) will end up in a failure if you're attempting to transfer from one of the SD to the microSD as soon as the file to transfer is bigger than a certain value (could be around 30 MB, but I'm not sure).

My workaround till now has been to first transfer to the internal SD card, then to the other removable device.

Also, I have noticed that putting the stock file manager in the background results in instant failure of any file operation pending.

I would very much be interested in knowing if these PRODUCTIVITY issues have been addressed in the latest build, since some of us might also want to do something else than play games :-)...

Thank you very much for your attention.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Stefan662:
I'm also interested in the results. USB <-> SD is also way to slow.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Thank you for trying my method D, I and others can confrm that it definitely works for games and the browser no lngers lags or crashesat all! I would bet that the issue with the Prime is due to the available memory diping below 400mb, for some reason, ths causes the games to freeze or just force close. Using my method,

keeps the free memory above 500mb, which seems to keep the games running smoothly.

The only flaw i that some games like Blood and Glory and Modern combat will continue to either show a black screen or continue theloading screen..this is due to the fact that they must need more than 1 background process running, which the Prime does not allow using my method...so the games continues to *loop* while trying to load the other processes to play the game.

Again, thanks for passing the info to Asus, I am close to 5 days of using my method and have not had a single lock up or reboot..Browser speeds are lso MUCH improved and the system responds muh better. Hopefully Asus can discover the cause of the memory isue and fix it

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I figured out why my method causes these games to not load, it's due to certain games needing more than i background process to run, and my method blocks more than 1 background process running at the same time...so the game will keep trying to load but it cant. Thats the only flaw in my method, but this only happens with 3 games that I have tested so far. Other than that, it works great.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jamalsid:
have you tried your method but allowing say 2 background processes, or 3 etc to see if it helps too? Just a thought.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
I needed to do this the other night to play NOVA3. I guess it spawns off another process to license verification or something. Only allowing 1 process made it hang at a black screen. I boosted it to 2 or 3 background processes and it worked.

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Well, this sure isn't stellar news. Hopefully Asus will release the new firmware, kinks and all though. It may not be perfect, but it's no worse in this regard (and therefore not worth delaying for another spin of the build I wouldn't think.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shreddintyres:
If im not mistaken the reason for the Low USB - Prime write speeds has to do with the prime using something called MTP instead of treating the prime as Mass Storage. Transferring from MicroSD to internal SD or regular SD to internal SD works pretty quickly for me. If i recall correctly transfer of 10 gb over MTP was taking hours where as transfers with the MicroSD took a substantially lower amount of time.

It might be pertinent to see if ASUS will get rid of MTP in favor of using Mass Storage, that should help to raise transfer speeds alot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
I get the same issue with the stock file manager.

I highly recommend grabbing another free file manager from the play store. I have two (their names escape me right now, but they were some of the highest rated ones) and they both work much better.

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Demandarin, can you forward this to Asus for consideration?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
I agree. I would greatly appreciate it if we can get some quantitative numbers on wifi performance compared to the previous build. That's my only real concern right now and I would love to know if the testers can predictably verify an improvement in this area. I'm about to RMA mine but I really don't want to go down that road if I can avoid it because the unit is otherwise great and the risks of RMA are a known issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mirox3m:
This has been discussed alot. MTP is part of Android since Honeycomb.

You probably have noticed that you have 1 big storage place, instead of 2 separate storages (eg. Galaxy S 2gb + 5gb) and you do not need to mount/unmount back and forth. This is not possible with Mass Storage, but comes at a price :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
yes I did, and while it helps with certain games, the same crashing issues seem to crop out after a few hours of usage. I found the most stable function was to only one one background process to run in the background. It may differ for some, but only allowing one process to run has made my prime perform much better overall. Also, i noticed an additional 3-3.5 battery life when using my method, which makes sense since only one app is allowed to run, and not having multiple applications eating away at your battery.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shreddintyres:
I do recall this discussion, Personally i find it to be much more useful to have mass storage enabled, mounting and unmounting storage doesnt particulary bother me especially when you can run a script to auto mount things for you. If im not mistaken you can even use tasker (app) to do that for you. But i can definitely see where you are coming from for some it could be an overriding inconvenience. It may then be nice to have the option to enable MTP or disable it much like it was possible on the original galaxy s.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
What's so official about this thread now? I don't see any official stuff here :confused:

Changing the title to "Unofficial" ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Stefan662:
I meant the USB port at the dock when a USB drive is inserted and then data transferred to a SD card.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aleandre1974:
Yes, this is the kind of problem I was referring to, albeit between microSD in the Prime and SD card inserted in the keyboard dock.

"Nothing" to do with the internal SD storage.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
They have FaceUnlock in this build. just noticed it ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kasper31:
Thanks for trying the game out. I think that Blood and Glory must need more than 4 background process running in order to work. So until Asus gets the Prime fixed I will just have to go and change the settings when I want to play certain games then change them back when done. Other than that it does make the Prime run smother limiting the background process to just 1.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SteveG12543:
I believe I remember it in .25 as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
So, you had an RMA repair performed omn an Unlocked Prime? How'ed you manage that? Though Asus told everyone who unlocked: You are on your own. Excomunicated, Persona Non Grata, Homeless, Orphaned, Out in the cold, Flew the coop, disowned, you are no son of mine, why don't you just take your things and go?, we don't need your kind around here, there ain;t enough ROM in this town fo da both of us, you had me from hello, oh... wait, scratch that last one. But you know what I am sayin, right? What da dealio is? The scoop, the skinny.. aaaahhh, shaddap! (me, not you)

So I guess it was all Bluster on Asus' part? We can unlock, then say: I'm sorry! I was weak, okay? I needed a fix, and you guys wern't supplyin! PLEASE let me come back! I''ll be GOOD! I'll LOCK MY BOOTLOADER, and KEEP IT LOCKED. SEE? MY ZIPS ARE SEALED!!!

Okay, it's past my bedtime... kinda punchy been up for 56 hours on a tech call (could you TELL. LOL?)

Demandarin, How is the Game testing going? For me it's usually the stuttering, almost like a few frames repeating, sound cut, like that. Do you still see that in the THD titles?

Cool. and fun. I know I was looking for it when .21 rolled out. But I would trade all the fun applets in the world for some stability, and performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Demandarin,

Any ETA on when the update might drop?

I've been resisting unlocking because I was waiting for this update, but every time I turn around there's a new post about a custom rom that performs better than stock. It'd be one thing if they'd actually fixed everything, but it sounds like the game stuttering is still happening.

Kinda amazing... you'd think that between Asus, nVidia and Google they'd have some of the brightest minds around, yet they don't seem to be able to fix these damn issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
The only way I get Riptide to play well is a fresh reboot before playing, ad the "press home, then recent apps, then resume" works MOST of the time, with Riptide and with Shine Runner and even Tailfin Racers or whatever it's called. Mostly I get tired of it, and put the HDMI cable away, and put the Tablet away as well.

BUT... I am SO happy to here I am not alone in this. Thought I had either ANOTHER defect, or possibly its that "Other Tegra 3 SOC" (From an old discussion that Demandarin brought to light: There were apparently two models of Tegra 3 SOC's and BOTH are in Primes, or at least SOME are suspected to have the earlier rev.

Demandarin, Thanks so much for remaining at the forefront, and never tiring of this. I wouldn't have the energy to stay that engaged for so long. I can pop out for a month, come back, and there you are, doing all you can to make the Prime as good as it can be. But really: If Asus DOESN'T KNOW how laggy and poorly this thing runs (at times, it can certainly run well for SOME work, and then be a real drag at other times.... FOR A QUAD CORE TABLET (Always the pertinent phrase)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TechSavvy2:
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I spoke to Asus and they actually told me they could relock my bootloader for me but I'd have to send it in. They'd turn everything back to stock and if everything checked out, my warranty would still be valid. I don't even care about the warranty, just went through a very brief moment of wanting bootloader relocked. Nothing is actually wrong with my prime, fyi.

Point of the story, they said they'd do it upon user request.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
THAT IS comforting news. Unfortunately, I would bet dollars to donuts they will NEVER put THAT in writing, ANYWHERE! I would bet it's a case of as longas people do not abuse it, and as long as it does not cause them loss of revenue, they will oblige folks. Now, if someone found a way to break their chops about it, well, the candy shop would close its doors before you could say "Lock me UP!...Please?"

Anyway, I GOTTA get some rest.... I can only say this: I am weary, not just from being up over 2 days, but from this darn Tablet that I LOVE/HATE. It

IS

a potentially fantastic device, and in many ways it is just NOT fulfilling it's potential. I hate to say it, but I fear that there is some underlying issue, a major one that we will not know about until the cookie crumbles, meaning the TF700 ships, and Primes get sunset (I know, I know... and I do NOT want to argue the point.) Maybe I am wrong. I PRAY that I am TOTALLY wrong. But ask yourselves THIS: we are now over 6 MONTHS from release, and they are no closer to fixing the BASIC performance of this tablet. The stuff that was crappy about it in January? STILL CRAPPY. Going to bed now. Maybe I will dream of a Prime that works the way it did in my dreams last December... when I was selling my OG Transformer (that NEVER was a disappointment, even if it had half the sophisticated hardware of the Prime) . sigh!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
custom roms are always better than stock roms. Honestly if you that interested in unlocking and going custom, go for it. we have some great devs. and roms here. i don't know when update is supposed to release. I know people are tired of hearing the word soon, so i don't know. I know feedback on build has been really good so far so it could be really close to releasing finally.

I'd say go on and unlock. they custom roms will be updated once update comes out so nothing to really worry about. that's the thing about going custom, you don't worry or care about OTA updates anymore.

best case scenario, it wont be much longer for update to release, IMO, based on the build performance so far. Things will come together for prime. I'm optimistic about. Even if it doesn't, I'm not worried. Thats why we have this great forum for. But i do think this will be the first of some big updates to come. Maybe next update they can address the I/O issues. i will make sure to send all info and threads ive seen on this to them. Along with workarounds/solutions some members recently found. Im always amazed at how smart alot of our fellow members are.

p.s. ive been resisting unlocking also. i want to very badly. Testing these builds and other factors have kept me from doing it so far. I dont know how much longer i will be able to hold out when we have so many great roms and sick custom kernels to use.

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i agree. I bet you as soon as too many people start requesting it, they will stop it. But this is when people are unlocked and prime still working well. I doubt they will just fix everyone unlocked brick tablet and put it back to stock and still allow you to keep warranty. i did read some stories here of people who asus relocked their tablet and now the cant even unlock anymore if they wanted to.

well now I'm about to watch Prometheus on my Prime ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Thanks (as always) for the advice.

To be honest, it's not so much that I'm interested in the aspect of custom roms (never tried them, so I don't really know), I'm just interested in getting my Prime to perform more like it should.

I fully expected there to be problems with the Prime (1st quad tablet), but I never imagined that after 6 months Asus would still be struggling to get it in shape. It seems like they're *maybe* starting to get a handle on it, but it's no-where near where it should be.

I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but as I've said in other posts, I'm a software developer, and the **** would hit the fan if we left our customers in the dark like this (lets be honest, the problems aren't trivial, they're causing FCs and reboots.) Delaying a release without providing an updated ETA would not fly.

I know, I know, Gary is in a far off distant land where they don't have internet access. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Demandarin, Quick question: I saw that you are using a custom Build.Prop from Seanzscreams (My man man, he builds the SKYICS ROM I run on My Samsung Galaxy SII Skyrocket, so that got my attention fast. How has it helped in your honest opinion? I mean, if it only adds a bit of snappiness, and/or smoothness, thats fine. I am not expecting miracles from a tweaked build.prop, but I value your thoughts on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Glad to hear that its working for you. Just be mindful that switching the processes may bring back the gaming crashes/browsing issues. Which you will then have to do a soft reset/settings again to fix. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that build prop from my thread in developement currently is for .21 firmware only. it really brought that build alive. it worked great for me. improved overall performance and snappiness of prime on .21. meant for real world results, not higher benchmark scores. it got great feedback as others applied it. it also improved battery life with tablet hitting deep sleep faster and staying there longer. A better deep sleep. other things it improves is in my thread there also.

I'm not running it now because I lost root when I loaded this .28 build. you need root access to apply the modded build.prop. maybe down the road once I'm able to root again, I will get the. 28 build.prop modded with added tweaks and see how it performs.

there might be a slight problem though. a developer told me he saw in Android new coding that they basically blocked or patched up the ability to downgrade firmwares. we aren't sure yet if Asus has applied that patch also. if so, then likely no more downgrading to gain root. We would need a completely new root method. hopefully it'll come soon as i miss root access and my overclocking stuff. I guess we will see how it pans out. hopefully for the best.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
I could live with never gaining root or unlocking if the OTA's were stable. I had good experiences with Honeycomb and the first few ICS OTA's, however .21 has introduced some very horrible problems for my prime and I am very near unlocking my device to put on a safer (yes, safer) build of android.

Since .21 I have gotten a gradual degrading GPU problems (several kinds, flickering, corrpution, etc) immediately had very severe i/o performance (sure it was never great but far far worse on .21) and SODs (:mad: SODS FOR SERIOUS W.T.F asus guys?!)

I apologise for the rant, and also if the question has been done to death but, do these problems get fixed with .28 thus far?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Laurentwb:
Do we know why publishing the new firmware (.28) takes so long ?

I was left with the impression that it was imminent. This was maybe 2 weeks ago.

Thx
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
+1 can't wait any longer :-) have restarted enough now to be able to play my games... I only use my prime for browsing (ICS+ browser) and movies everything else basically is bugged. Even video playback sometimes causes problems.

Also most of my music that i copy to the prime just won't show up in any player. Any idea what's causing that? Tried several methods of copying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
Agreed,

I got extremely sick and tired of waiting, after 3 reboots in a row last night, I unlocked, Flashed CWM, flashed wookieprime 1.1, and my TFP is.1000% better, I know I voided my warranty, but, a 500 dollar paperweight outwieghed the warranty issue, if Asus would have not put me in this situation, I wouldn't of even done it.Wookie is far better than .21, Asus should be ashamed
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
My guess is that the asus devs found something new, or are investigating new issues (for instance; i/o problems)?

Problem is; not enough feedback.

If we knew what asus was doing, we would 've been happy to wait for some days.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skyterrier:
There isn't anything I can say to express my frustration that hasn't already been said; I just can't help but feel that Asus' development resources are getting spread very thin. They seem to be announcing a new Tegra based tablet, that they are developing for someone, every other week. I sure hope they are starting to get them right.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Couldn't agree more. The Prime doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near the support it should. Obviously it's a business decision, and the Prime doesn't fall under their new "Happiness 2.0" slogan.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
What happened when I asked Asus about it. :O

I suspect once they wrap up their work on the Google/Asus Nexus 7 tablet they will get back to us Prime owners.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
We really don't need to turn this into a complaint thread. You all know we have dedicated threads for this!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kasper31:
Yep here it is.

Complaints about Asus and their Transformer Prime

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1673742

Would you consider unlocking it so people can go there and complain. As it is the only thread I see with a clear name that says come here to complain about Asus and their Prime.

That link is 21 when doing a search of threads using Complaints as the search word. This thread here is number 1 on the list of results so please

list the dedicated threads for complaints so we can go to them and complain there.

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Well the images is hard to read but you get the point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
That, or start a new sticky thread, with a no nonsene heading, like "ISSUES/COMPLAINTS", admittedly, it might not stop it, but surely it'll lessen it in other threads
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That thread is OK. But an even better one is the thread called WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT PRIME BEFORE COMPLAINING

That thread is well put together on issues. Actually the best one ever made. It has links to threads with listed issues and everything. Very clean and to the point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kasper31:
What I get from that is what you should know about the Prime before buying one. As most of us here own one we already know of the gps wifi issues. The problem most of us that are complaining about the lack of response from Asus or the lack of performance for a $500 dollar top of the line piece of hardware.

Or like banderos101 said

You are correct in that thread is well put together on issues and has links to threads with listed issues and everything but the problem is we need a thread where people can go and complain and blow of steam while waiting for Asus to get the Prime to perform as the advertisements said it would.

That's the end of it for me don't want to have this thread locked down due to going of topic so back to the .28 release date Soon or Very Soon?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
"You are correct in that thread is well put together on issues and has links to threads with listed issues and everything but the problem is we need a thread where people can go and complain and blow of steam while waiting for Asus to get the Prime to perform as the advertisements said it would."

Sorry Diamondblack last off topic post from me today i promise

Just to add

I dont think a sticky like this would be as redundant as some might think, i wouldnt be surprised to hear the next big issues being identified in threads like these, which at the end of the day, benefits us all, once asus is made aware of it and then fixes it.

Once the prime runs well and stable, out of the box, complaints will eventually go down

Also i agree with the fella above, the title of some threads could use some change, just my opinion

Again sorry, no more off topic, my mouth....well ...and trully..... shut:D