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[EVO 4G General] lilajrestnom:
So I have an evo that I don't really use. Its still in excellent condition and works perfectly. I have a rubber case for it and a 16GB memory card. I'm willing to trade this with someone for a different phone that you may have and not want. Not sure exactly what I want for it but id perfer a pretty good phone since the EVO its self isn't that bad and its still in perfect condition and has a memory card and case and all I want is a phone not anything with it.

Put up ur offers or pm me them and ill see if ill do this.

And this is not a fraud or anything. My own personal phone is an Epic 4G and I'm a themer so anyone can go there and ask about me if you don't trust me...
[EVO 4G General] Captain_Throwback:
This should be posted in the Marketplace.
[EVO 4G General] lilajrestnom:
I honestly never knew there was such a thread but thanks for letting me know.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] superlungz420:
What's the differences between the 2 I heard aokp has better batt. Life both r ics right ?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kennysvgp08:
I'll just save everyone a bunch of time. Go to AOKP. Your welcome.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] superlungz420:
Is there a 4g toggle or do I have to set the widget?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikon120:
Widget

Next time SEARCH! The answers for both of your questions can easily be located. :banghead:
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xboxfanj:
Cm9 is typically more stable and includes bug fixes faster, while aokp somewhat is dependent on cm to fix bugs, so its a bit after cm. Aokp includes some extra settings options, however, IMO the extra settings aren't even noticeable. I say use cm.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Speedin07si:
I tend to get better battery life with AOKP but I haven't tried the newer CM9 builds in a while either. But one of the big reasons why I like AOKP is more custom layout.

Like this.

But really search some there have been at least 2 threads about this that either get locked or they just die off.

Sent from My Epic Ice Cream Sandwich With Sprinkles!!!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lostby78:
I've been on both. CM9 I feel is more polished at times. AOKP seems to get a little better battery life. Im on AOKP right now and loving it. Also the the teams (Epic / AOKP and CM9) are working great along side each other. Check out the blogs for both and see what you think.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] superlungz420:
I'm on aokp now got cm9 backed up and miui but was on cm9 for a long while and I was only getting 4 hours of battery life so I'll do some testing with aokp and see how long I get but I really like cm9 it runs so smooth but I am seeing aokp run a bit faster though .
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mama Luigi:
I prefer CM9 myself. They're pretty similar though. CM9's notification toggles are better IMO, more compact, and there's a 4G toggle which is missing from AOKP. Also AOKP's automatic brightness toggle doesn't work, though I think you can still enable auto brightness from the settings. Also the AOKP unicorn boot animation is pretty silly although you can always disable it.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxLostSoulxX:
But the bugs that exist in CM9 are worse then AOKP like calling issues.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Speedin07si:
AOKP auto brightness toggle works perfectly fine for me.

Sent from My Epic Ice Cream Sandwich With Sprinkles!!!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MPTonyT:
I have been on both and I prefer AOKP simply for the customization of it. I get pretty good battery life as well.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnhimm:
AOKP has a 4G toggle.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flastnoles11:
No it doesn't, it has a widget... they are talking about the toggle in the pulldown...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnhimm:
Yes it does for a long time. Pull down menu toggle LTE.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] superlungz420:
No not on the epic 4g theres no toggle
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flastnoles11:
Sorry you are mistaken... maybe you should stick to your phones forum, because this phone does not!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnhimm:
I'll post a screen shot tomorrow
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
Post all the screenies you want. The Samsung Epic GS1 with keyboard does not use LTE. Guys have been trying to tell you you are in the wrong forum.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flastnoles11:
You have fun with that! :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Temeriki:
Actually at one point did we have a 4g toggle, it wasnt LTE, and it didnt work. So we can at least give partial credit, D- AOKP itself does have a 4g toggle, just not our port, the one we're referring to built by Alias8818.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
True...ok to clarify...a working 4G toggle for WiMax.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Temeriki:
Thats why I suggested only partial credit, hence the D-
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ThrowingKs:
Thank you.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Cuppeerr:
Thank you soooo much haha so many people were confused about it...

A good example is my moms phone. She has an evo 3d and I made it s-off with eng hboot in case I sell it at a later time. Currently it's not rooted at all, but if I want to considering my bootloader's unlocked I could easily flash a recovery and then flash superuser which in turn gives me root:)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] flex360:
make the subject a bit more clearer

cuz when i saw it i thought that you had s-off for us lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regulator207:
please sticky this!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Unreasnbl:
If I may add to this discussion ...

If you do not already know these terms and what they mean you should probably not be attempting to root your phone yet

You should instead invest some time reading and learning first.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SilverZero:
Or, rather, you should not be attempting to gain access to the root user / superuser account and privileges on your phone. ;)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
Updated the title just for clarity. If there's anything someone disagrees with or would like to add to the OP, let me know here and I'll see what I can do. And I definitely agree with Unreasnbl. It may be a pain in the a$$ to read before jumping into things, but seriously, it will help so much when it comes understanding.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arozer:
I rooted, with S-off, and flashed my phone before I understood any of these terms lol. Just by following instructions clearly.

But then later I learned all of these things.

But yes, you are absolutely correct.

edit: this is a good, valuable post op. Thank you.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mswlogo:
I think you just prooved the OP correct, you shouldn't have S-OFF, because it doesn't exist yet and you don't need it and that's probably good for person that thinks they rooted with S-off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] dongarritas:
Thank you

Thank you for the great info! While not a noob(have had rooted, s-off OG 4G, and 3D, just rooted EVO LTE), I don't understand, nor want to, at an advanced level, Linux, ADB,FASTBOOT, etc. I like making my phone my own, and like flashing ROM's. I tried to use the HTC method of unlocking, but am just not comfortable with my skills to try and use SDK/ADB/FASTBOOT. Perhaps I can find someone in San Antonio to show me, but unless/until, I'll wait for someone such as yourself to provide a "dumbed-down" method. Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise.:)

Update: Couldn't stand it..went ahead, carefully reading and following instructions, and did HTC unlock. Had a few issues with TWRP, and flashing ViperROM, due to internal/sd configuration, but moved things to their proper place with ROM toolbox. Everything in it's place, and my phone running like I like it for almost 24 hours with no issues, other than the hilarious HTC warning at boot screen.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Thanks regaw for taking your time with this. If you don't end up with 500 thanks ill be shocked lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mswlogo:
I personally want S-Off.

Mainly because I prefer not notify HTC that I'm unlocked.

Occasionally it's fun to dabble in trying newer radios and is sometimes required for later releases of the OS. Radio firmware can add or take away some functionality as well (like VPN).

Yes, we know it's dangerous, it's pretty rare folks dork their phones because they had s-off. But one of the worst examples is the flash happy folks on the EVO 3D that flashed Virgin Mobile firmware and should not have (myself included).

---------- Post added at 10:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 PM ----------

It's really not that hard. No harder than figuring out how to use recovery, bootloader etc.. The current root procedure you just did on the LTE used ADB !! Just follow procedures.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] funcrusher:
Maybe you could direct them to some good reading material -- like the first post. :P
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] funcrusher:
Great thread, Daniel. ;)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arozer:
Nice try at being a smart ass bro, but I was talking about when I first started, on the htc Evo 4G.

Before that I had the incredible and droid 1 and I just used the one click roots.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Great post. I don't like it when people use the incorrect terms either, and have made similar posts on other forums, specifically relating to the OG. I usually recommend that noobs that "want to root" use the HTC unlocker because, as you pointed out, it's a safer solution for those that don't really know what they're doing.

Unfortunately, because that process is somewhat involved, many users new to Android or just not technically inclined prefer to use what this community has to offer. That's good, I suppose, as that's one of the reasons this community exists, but I strongly feel like it takes away some user responsibility to get to know their device. If people would take the time to learn about adb and fastboot and find out what an RUU is and what the /misc partition is, I feel like there would a lot more contributors on this forum than whining leechers.

I've personally never been one to follow instructions without first at least trying to understand what I'm doing, but I guess not everyone is like that.

At any rate, thanks for the post, and I'm sure I'll see everyone around a bit more once Amazon finally delivers my phone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] johamsandwich:
Very informational.But just to clarify:

If I were to have S-OFF, I can repartition the onboard storage so that instead of having 2gb of app storage, I can have say 6 or 10gb? That's what I really want to do.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] wileout:
Thanks for clarifying this OP. I personally knew what S-OFF meant but alot of folks on this phone are obviously new to roooting and had no idea about any of this.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] trriley5:
Thank you for the clarification
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Bachatu:
Thanks, this was a great explanation.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] notsointeresting:
Thank you for clearing this up for average users a bit. There have been numerous posts about this and often getting terms crossed. I'm sure this will prove very handy. :beer:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] KaptainOblivious:
thank you. i have a greater understanding now. means a bit more research but will help alot when i finally get my new phone
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
Thanks guys for all of your comments and "Thanks". Hope this stays around for a while for newer members to read as this forum grows.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Mathman85:
Quick question (great post, btw). Suppose we unlock via HTCDev and install a rooted ROM, but then Sprint does a radio update. Since we'll [currently] still be S-ON, and we obviously won't want to lose root or have them re-lock the bootloader, we can't do the OTA update; and since we're S-OFF, we can't flash a radio update. What do we do then? Is the solution to simply perform a nandroid backup, accept the OTA, and the restore (re-unlocking and re-rooting if necessary)?

I'm coming from an EVO 4G, on which I swapped radios a few times until I found the best combo for my data speeds... never had to worry about not being able to update my radios.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
We'll (most likely with Sprint) always have the option to unlock the bootloader, because they allow their phones to do that through HTC. Even if you do accept an update and it locks the bootloader again for some reason, you should just be able to re-unlock it on HTCdev.com and then flash a recovery, in turn flashing your custom rom/nandroid backup again. It just seems too easy haha, but that's where we're at right now.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fachadick:
There's a thread in the themes and apps section on an app called voodoo ota rootkeeper (or something like that) that can temporary unroot your phone to accept those updates. Never used it myself, but will probably get it for exactly this scenario.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ahernandez4110:
Thank You so much for this Explanation, Im on Hboot 1.5 unlock with S-ON and have tried every cdma EVO 3d ROM out there with out any issues. But have to installed flash GUI in every flash to revert back to any past flashed roms.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
Good to hear. You getting an EVO 4G LTE?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] USMC retired:
rooting

When I was a noob, I got my first phone home, couldn't wait to root it, didn't read a thing, just went "balls to the wall" so to speak, one hour later I had a paper weight, now at first that might tickle your funny bone, it tickled mine to the tune of about $500.00 to by a new one. Read forum after forum after that, took my time, asked people for help, an hour later that time I had complete success.

Moral of the story, if your in doubt DONT, DONT.

Good luck and happy ROMMING lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rezo609:
sorry people, remember when i said i was working on and s-off eploit, well it failed because bootloader failed to update its firmware
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
Ah man, that's too bad. I agree with reading before doing, but sometimes you just go for it, I'm guilty of that too haha.

That's too bad :( Keep up the work!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] shadowhawk2020:
Dumb question, if we use HTCDev, and something goes wrong with the phone but the issue has nothing to do with the unlock/root, will sprint keep us from using the insurance?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] dsEVOlve:
If unlocked via HTCdev and no S-off, are flashing custom kernels still a possibility or ROMs only? I've read that kernels are out until we get S- off but maybe that was misinformation too.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
I'm not actually 100% sure, I haven't messed around with flashing any boot images yet. BUT, all of the roms in this forum DO contain a boot.img, which is where the kernel is compiled into, and there are no errors upon flashing. That being said, we don't have the kernel source yet, so you won't be seeing much in terms of custom kernels until we get it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
http://teamw.in/project/htcdumlock

If that works we can flash kernels
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] regaw_leinad:
Wow, thanks a lot you guys, over 100 thanks in the OP. I really appreciate it and glad I could help out so much! Thanks everyone :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kevinsturf:
thank you very much for that clarification! I was aware that it meant security on or off but had no clue what it protected.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] alexwick:
Great thread...

Would love to see more threads like this, that can break down KEY-PARTS of this "business" in easy words... Often people are good in the tech part but not good in explaning it.

You did a GREAT JOB looking for more threads like this one !!!!

keep them coming! :)

actually I think its a awsome question...

before you jump in the deep... shouldn't we know what the implications, as far as worst case sceneario are...

I dont know if there exists a good thread for this, but here my question

When will I loose factory warrenty? (techincally and in real life)

if I root?

If find a way to S-off?

If i flash a custom rom?

if i unlock the bootloader?

if I use htcdev?

Now what I mean with technically and in real life is... lets say I would loos my warrenty when I root my phone... than technically I have lost my warrenty doing so... but if I can unroot my phone, with NO evidence left behind that I ever did, than I technically lost it, but in real life... no one will be able to proof it, without extensive time and rescources...

So I would love to get some answers to these questions...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Evo_Shift:
Why don't system apps come back after a reboot if I haven't unlocked my bootloader if you cannot permanently alter /system with a locked phone? Or are apps at not at as deep of a level as the OP is talking about? Like I screwed up an app so bad I had to RUU to get it back because none of my backups seemed to work even after rebooting many times. I would continue to get a forced close message every time. Swype is the app I messed up.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Vancer:
Are u rooted? You can get root without unlocking the bootloader ... in which case you can write to the system partition and permanently change things
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Evo_Shift:
I have used it on two tablets and it worked both times. I also have it installed. Just have to remember to actually open the app and protect the root. Just installing it won't help.

---------- Post added at 11:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:50 AM ----------

Yes I am rooted, but I was wondering what he meant in his third paragraph where he said the partitions cannot be altered. He was talking about s-on which I am. I am assuming making changes to system apps and files isn't altering the actual partition but that's what I was confused about. I thought by deleting a system app I was altering the partition but I must not be. I must be altering an item on the partition which is allowed with root.

Thanks :) Just typing it helped me understand it a bit more.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mswlogo:
It might be helpful to add this to the Opening Post

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24931225&postcount=3
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
That post isn't completely accurate for our device, as we're able to flash splash screens and radios directly to the partitions with S-ON and UNLOCKED.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hell_lock:
How to achieve s-off?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Check the stickies in the original dev section. I believe there are links there to dirty racun.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Duce HD2:
So if you want to have any sort of fun with the phone, s-off is pretty much mandatory ...otherwise mods, etc won't stick. Good to know, was just going to ask about this. New to HTC, coming from the whole Galaxy line. Thanks for the info.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] acorreapr:
S-on

Thanks for explain S-ON S-OFF

OK .....I have a EVO 4G LTE after run to root ....said "tampered" but security in ON ....I can run tether without problem...the phone are rooted I tested with root cheker...I want to flash a custom rom with TWR but I cant all time fails ...what I need to put S-OFF? Thanks

HBOOT 2.09.00 ....Radio 1.13.11.0830 .......android 4.1.1
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] gstanke:
Try Rumrunner. It should get s-off for you
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] theob_gyn88:
This noob needs a lifeline!!

WOW, excellent explanation!!

I have a Sprint HTC Evo 4G LTE, I'd like to make S-OFF. Currently, the bootloader is HTCDev unlocked and I already have TWRP 2.5, Titanium Backup, GooManager, ES File Explorer, MSL Reader, SetCPU, and SuperSU. But I'm really not sure exactly which CustomROM is best for me, or even how to flash it.

I've already made two Nandroid Backups and a few TB's, as well.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Magnum_Enforcer:
The best ROM is the one that works best for you. If you ask ten people here which ROM is best, you're likely to get ten different answers. Hit up the two development forums and start reading, and go from there. Once you find a ROM, download it to your phone. Reboot to recovery and do a full wipe (system, data), then flash the ROM zip. This is the typical procedure for flashing Sense ROM's. If you want to flash AOSP ROM's you also have to flash the applicable Gapps package that goes with the ROM. Once you've done this, you can reboot to the OS and begin setting up your phone to your liking. Try a few different ROM's until you find one you really like.

Sent from my HTC device
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] theob_gyn88:
Another question from an enlightened one: I want to unlock the bootloader on another Evo 4G LTE, but make it S-ON. What apps would YOU recommend I use, to prevent the loss of all the data(apps, system data, photos, movies, etc.) I defer to your best choices.:cool:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] HTC Sensation:
i have a question. if i have s-off. after update i lost o-off or not ??
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fizbanrapper:
Depends on what you mean by update. If you mean ruu to new partitions, then yes. As far as I know, ruu is the only way one can get back to s-on. So if you're talking about just flashing a ROM zip from twrp, then the answer is no.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Um, RUU doesn't change a device to S-ON.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fizbanrapper:
Only ever had to get s-off a handful of times. Thanks for the correction. Can you get s-on again?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Yes, but it must be done manually, and only after a full RUU has been run. Trying to set S-ON on a modified HBOOT will brick the device into Qualcomm Download mode.

That's why it's never recommended to set S-ON once S-OFF is achieved.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] HTC Sensation:
Ok, thnak you guys.

If i have s-off on kitkat and hboot 3.19 can i update it to lolipop (custom, android revolution hd ) without loosing it ?

Thnak you !
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Sloth:
You should be asking this in your device specific Q&A section.

And if you look up a few posts your question is answered.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] bigp951:
just wondering , with s-off could someone flash additional bands into their radio?

EDIT- the answer is yes
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mr.armbar90:
Awesome explanation,, thanks!