yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Networking] cirian75:
protocol types I saw

DHCPv6

DNS

ICMPv6

NBNS

SSDP

TCP

WOW

see pics below
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
I've tested SIP, no TrafficSense. If it is TSL triggering it, then the version of TSL will be the key to the trigger. WoW for some reason is only using TSL v1.0. Nothing else that I'm aware of uses this now in-secure version of TSL. Except maybe Torrent Clients which I never use.

None of this matters anyway thanks to what the TrafficSense document states. No TrafficSense on anything thats time-critical. I expect now we've seen this in the document, Three will fix this issue within the next few days.
[Networking] cirian75:
Dig this for epic lag

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c...236-000002802C54559D.jpg&evt=user_media_share

Full 20 seconds world lag
[Networking] cirian75:
Better link .

Hopefully
[Networking] skezza:
**** sake, ive had no problem with this for ages, but now I have an app that simply won't work. As soon as I try to use it, my internet is cut off and I am told that I am tethering.

The app has great reviews on the Play Store so I know it's not that. ****ing right annoyed at Three, I asked them on the phone a while back how it was they filtered connections and they said it was 'fool-proof' bollocks. I'll give them a ring later.
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
Could you tell us what app this is? It sounds like you'll need to use a VPN on your phone to encrypt all your phones traffic. Three can't detect anything if you do this. Look into CyberGhost and other VPN providers. Its usually easy to get a 1-month rolling contract so could you not switch to the One Plan 1-month Rolling? This would allow Tethering.

As for World of Warcraft, we have a small update from Three
[Networking] cirian75:
One month sim only rolling contracts have tethering as no no unless you pay an extra £10
[Networking] blair287:
I just want my contract cancelled ill go with Giffgaff or they need to remove this throttle or make it fairer around 1.5-2mb/s and around 512mb between 6pm and 10pm, and reset every day.

cause at the moment say windows downloads a 1gb worth of update they will basically cut you off for a week for it even though its supposedly "Unlimited"
[Networking] swukjay:
By defining the term "large amount of data" that is admitting that there is amount of usage that will affect your service which is in breach of what the user would be expecting. Under tort expectation is a reason to end the contract as the final product does not match what the seller claimed. you will also be able to claim any costs back in putting yourself back to the position you were in before you took out the contract, that may include time and money involved in getting a new contract. wikipedia has a very good example of tort which is far more effective in resolving disputes that the crappy soga which is to far less effective especially in matters like this. misrepresentation use tort, goods that go faulty use soga and tort

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Here is a good example of tort, I sell you what i claim is a gold rolex for £100, you realise that this is far less than it should be and know its real value is more like £2000. I assure you it genuine and you buy it thinking you will make a healthy profit only to find out later its fake! You can then sue me for misrepresentation under tort not just for the £100 you paid but for the £2000 you thought you were going to make, the law is very clear on these matters and there are plenty of case precedents to back it up. Three need to be very careful as this will get serious, I see so many people on consumer forums who get stung like this because they dont know their rights and unfortunately this is what corporations and dodgy dealers know. Dont get mad get even. and in a lot of cases you can claim court fees exemption ;)
[Networking] blair287:
http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/2011/01/3_denies_throttling_one_plan_customers/

seem like it isnt the first time they have been caught throttling a "Unlimited connection"
[Networking] ste1164:
Giff gaff also throttle I have a friend who is with them and he is being throttled just as badly. They do not allow tethering on their unlimited plan.
[Networking] swukjay:
Good find that gives even more credence to court action, assuring users they dont throttle is encouraging people to join, I call that misrepresentation, especially if they have not made it clear at the time of taking out a contract.
[Networking] blair287:
anything would be better than three right now.
[Networking] swukjay:
It would appear that three have pulled that webpage! perhaps a cached copy is available somewhere?
[Networking] blair287:
I wonder why they pulled it.

http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI...t_cat=signal,varset_subcat=3804,Case=obj(4046)

http://support.three.co.uk/srvs/cgi...sername=Mobile:mobileUser?s_search=helpsearch

They still claim no fup or caps even say you could use 1000GB this has got to be false advertising
[Networking] swukjay:
Hmmm perhaps its because they are a bunch of bar stewards :D
[Networking] YOSEFE:
Perhaps they are taking advantage of ofcom's cosy relationship with telecommunications companies.

If ofcom were on the side of the consumer, to make sure we get a good deal, the telecom companies would behave and respect their terms and conditions, and would not hide some limiting information or suddenly point you to their websites which they did not make aware to you at contract signing time.
[Networking] swukjay:
I prefer the term "misrepresentation" :)

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The problem is nobody has tested this sort of misrepresentaion in court yet which is why they get away with it, laws and disputes are settled in court, ofcom is put here to encourage you to use them thus signing away your real "rights". In the states they would have slapped a class action on them even though in reality class actions suck as the level of compo is shared between all the claimants, but at least its better than nothing though really you are better of doing your own claim.
[Networking] cirian75:
I bet it's not the 7 day 15.00 to 23.59 at a real world 20kbps three are doing.

Draconian is the way three have just behaved.

Just ran speed test, 8.09Mbps vs my as far as I'm concerned cut off sub 56k modem 20kbps
[Networking] blair287:
Will see what Ofcom say today
[Networking] cirian75:
Off to ring ofcom now
[Networking] ToyGun123:
Guys, Crap speed for five days now 3pm till 12am

After midnight back to full speed.
[Networking] cirian75:
Thats a pathetic gesture, should be

The day only.

1 to 1.5mbps throttle

and they need to tell us the level it triggers at within the 15.00 to 23.59 window

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Chatted to OfCom

complaint registered

He told me that could be considered a major change in the T&C's and that I could go for section 9.6 of OfCom's code that would get me out without penalty, if I went that way, and after 8 weeks if Three failed to respond or responded negatively that I should go to the Communication's ombudsman.

Their number is 0330 440 1614

He agreed that 20kbps I was getting was very very poor.
[Networking] Hands0n:
Giffgaff do not allow tethering on their "unlimited" plan. Furthermore, they are not unlimited in the same way as Three and T-Mobile (Full Monty) are marketed.

The giffgaff "unlimited" limits are obscure but there has been media attention plus lots of forum chat. http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/01/giffgaff-introduces-data-bars-to-limit-internet-hogs/
[Networking] drachers:
This is a major tangent but Stephen Fry has just tweeted angrily about ThreeUK on twitter:

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/207026650788016128

Bless 'im, he's not fond.
[Networking] cirian75:
Everyone tweet his this thread.
[Networking] drachers:
Between yours and Blair's keeping up awareness in various forums and on twitter, I think come 3pm this will have hit the news sites. Nice job chaps/chapesses. Pity it had to happen at the weekend.
[Networking] skezza:
But i'm not tethering that's the point. It's a video viewing app downloadable from the Play Store. VideoMix it's called. It pulls videos from YouTube, DailyMotion, etc it's got 4 stars in the Play Store
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
VideoMix Web Play Store Link

The application only streams URL's in its database and seems to have a fair few recent reviews saying streams aren't working. (One person includes saying they tried WiFi as well)

Are you able to screengrab on your phone (Requires Root I believe but Google may be able to give you specific instructions for your phone) so you can show us exactly what's happening on your phone.
[Networking] nrd\:
As i said above, i'm on monthly rolling, ive hammered three data network 90gb+ over 5 days, utorrent client running on my laptop downloading any large iso I can grab day and night, browsing using chrome/firefox, streaming youtube set to 1080p videos, streaming from bbc iplayer HD content and havent noticed any slow down....am I doing something your not?? Ive got the standard ayce add on, £3 extra.

Maybe its the phone / rom your using..

I love Three, thumbs up :victory:
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
We've been specifically referring to World of Warcraft, an online MMO in the past few pages. Three admit they are TrafficSense-ing the game, which results in huge latency. Not bandwidth issues. The first 70 pages are very old, referring to when Three did the 5% TrafficSense which no longer applies. You're also clearly in a area with no congestion, like I was a couple months ago (I had the mast pretty much to myself and got 10+Mbps 24/7, unfortunately I now reside in a very congested area, meaning 1Mbps in the evening. Only so much bandwidth available on Radio Spectrum)
[Networking] swukjay:
Try changing your apn from three.co.UK to 3internet and see if it cures it!
[Networking] nrd\:
:eek:...I was wondering why all the talk about WOW...makes sense..maybe someone should edit the title as when I came across the thread "google search" it could be misleading to new member wanting to join 3uk and true unltd data. Just a thought..hope it gets sorted soon for the WOW fans.

Can admit thought, three speeds are amazin when in no congestion area, much better than O2 :rolleyes:
[Networking] cirian75:
The plot thickens

wow is sometimes playable 15.00 to 00.00, its still sketchy and random

but VPN is being reported as messed up now

common three, you need more than just one box to run TrafficSense properly so it does not mess up WoW and VPN, that poor solo box is hopeless.
[Networking] otester:
What? :confused:
[Networking] cirian75:
http://www.facebook.com/AllYouCanNibble/posts/358969750860942?notif_t=feed_comment
[Networking] otester:
lol well you guys are screwed then.

That's what you get for signing the dotted line with a **** company... :cowboy:
[Networking] skezza:
I'll get a screengrab for you later. I used it through WiFi yesterday and it was great. It just pulls videos from stuff like zvideo, sockshare and what not, really useful for watching TV shows and stuff because lots of people upload them too upload services in their entirety and basically call the names like "zxczdas" so people can't find them from the search but tag them so apps like this can find them from web crawler searches.

I'm using an i9000 with a Jelly Bean Custom ROM. I might reflash a GB ROM later and try it on that. I'm growing tired of Jelly Bean anyway.
[Networking] AjunNg:
Can someone quickly summarise 3's TrafficSense policy as of today?

I know it was on trial, or so they claim back in May til the start of June.

Is this still enforced? Is it still possible to early terminate a 3 contract given that I took it out before TrafficSense was introduced?

Beamed from Jupiter on my Galaxy Note II
[Networking] jonmorris:
Now that EE has published its prices, which seems to be more about voice/text (does anyone use either so much that they're more interested in unlimited minutes than unlimited data?), I definitely think Three is going to remain the best choice for mobile data.
[Networking] skezza:
Three are investigating my complaint. Lets see what they say
[Networking] swukjay:
The reason they are called three is because after three pm the network is completely useless. I cannot watch any video or browse the internet on my phone, it becomes totally unusable. I just hope that ofcom or somebody sorts this shower of con artists out eventually but in the banana Republic of Britain I find that highly improbable. This country is like the politicians run by corporations so don't hold your breath.

Sent using a poor old pigeon who needs to retire!
[Networking] joynul007:
don't think so

I have had a htc desire s on the one plan contract since July last year. I have never used less than 50GB data in any month because I dont have home broadband so watch everything using my phone internet. During my use I have always received high speeds and still do on a daily basis. So i dont think three is throttling data
[Networking] otester:
Basically they can throttle what they like whenever they like, they left the wording, not just on their site but in the "fact" sheet purposely vague.

Don't sign contracts with dodgy companies then, buy the phone outright then go PAYG.
[Networking] swukjay:
I am on payg!

Sent using a poor old pigeon who needs to retire!
[Networking] cirian75:
the WoW saga seems to be nearing its end

we still get crushed at 15.00 sharp

but a short while later its about 50/50 if its playable or not

apparently 1 of the 2 data centres has had the mods done to allow WoW past traffic sense

the other gets fixed at the end of the week.

time will tell though.
[Networking] otester:
Sounds like they might be doing this per mast.
[Networking] cirian75:
Blizzard have finally decided to take notice !

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5683348437

Looking at the fact 3 UK have been talking to a fellow WoW'er who is on 3 UK to do some testing, I'm assuming Blizzard and 3 UK have been talking to each other finally
[Networking] DarkyHero:
On the Trafficsense policy it states:

A small number of users try to tether outside of their terms and conditions. When this happens, TrafficSense™ either blocks their tethering completely or restricts it to a very small allocation of our network.

Unfortunately I was one of these users, and I have been throttled, do any of you happen to know when I will get my speeds back?
[Networking] cirian75:
you tethered on a sim only plan without paying the extra £10 for tethering ?
[Networking] DarkyHero:
Yes, but it has been fine in the past, I have used tethering on it since July, when I got the Ultimate Internet 500 plan. Do you know when I will be unthrottled?
[Networking] cirian75:
in the past it was 7 days 15.00 to 00.00
[Networking] DarkyHero:
Ok thanks :) When u say 15.00 to 00.00, do you also mean people that have tethered outside their allowance on the Ultimate Internet plan? By the way, when I do a speedtest, my download speed is much slower than my upload speed; my download has many peaks and troughs, whereas my upload is more or less a straight line.
[Networking] otester:
Also I think it can be Three's backhaul as well or if there is a fault, as my speeds during peak times can drop to 1/2Mbps (6pm to 10pm usually).
[Networking] Paul_P1:
Has anyone had any issues with Three on a AYC plan using ttorrent Pro? From Friday morning whenever I start ttorrent and try to surf I get the three "are you tethering" Web Page. I have to restart my phone to surf normally. Is this traffic sense?
[Networking] cirian75:
Tethering is only allowed on pay monthly contracts that came with a phone

For sim only you need to pay an extra £10 to allow tethering otherwise 3 warn and stop you

TrafficSense is active and throttles P2P (Torrents) 15.00 to 00.00

and some times false flags Blizzard games as P2P, but 3UK seem to be genuinely fixing this issue.
[Networking] otester:
I am getting throttled now during 3pm-midnight, was running a download, 8Mbps, 3pm, 0.1Mbps :crying:

Considering I can manage a home network of heavy users dynamically via ping times with a measly 3Mbps of bandwidth and everyone gets enough to do what they want (VOIP/Gaming/YouTube/Torrent etc.) without effecting anyone else, this is unnecessary.

I use a VPN while torrenting on my phone.

Three throttles P2P 24/7 iirc.
[Networking] cirian75:
So its back ?
[Networking] otester:
It's not allowed but they can't stop you unless you are using their phone/firmware.

First time I've been hit.

Luckily I have DSL to fall back on, so it just means I can't leave it downloading 3pm-12am (use virtual machine so I can use both connections at the same time xD).
[Networking] Paul_P1:
I'm aware of that, I'm not tethering, I'm merely starting the ttorrent Pro app. I have no issues with throttling the traffic.
[Networking] otester:
Done some reading, it appears if you use two SIMs you can get around this.

When the 7 days kicks in (after 30 days), switch SIM :laugh:

(Will cost £30 p/m though).
[Networking] bulanula:
So then it is worth to get the one plan sim only at 25 / month and tethering is allowed on that by default ?
[Networking] cirian75:
on non "the one plan" plans with AYCE data, tethering is now a £5 option

24m contract with phone or sim only

"The One Plan" still has tether included.
[Networking] otester:
Not exactly, since you can still be classed as a heavy user and have anything but HTTP browsing/downloads throttled to death.

Instead of the two sim idea I am just making sure I download via port 80 which is always unthrottled on PAYG/One Plan and then copy to my PC.
[Networking] asdrewq:
Hi everyone,

It appears throttling is back.

As of 3 days ago I too have started having my connection throttled. Simple web browsing is now barely possible. I have tried getting in touch with three UK support but have just had the generic 'you have poor signal - go outside' BS. Strange that when I have had a consistent 10mbit+ HSDPA connection for a month now, with a signal strength of dBm-73 and line-of-sight to base station.

I am on the standard one plan, and tether via my Galaxy S3.

I am yet to test whether I am only getting throttled during certain times, but I definitely am between 5pm - 10pm
[Networking] cirian75:
install speed test

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...edtest&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd

screenshot your results

screenshot on the S3 is power and home key held together for a second

do a just before and after 15.00 test
[Networking] asdrewq:
I already have the speedtest app, and have 116 tests saved in it from the past month or so (I got a bit obsessed with testing out the speed all the time :p)

Current results: 210kb/s down, 1.4mbit/s up

Historically it as been: ~9mbit/s down, 1.5mbit/s up from the exact same location.

Unfortunately I am in work at 3pm and have very poor coverage in the office, so a back to back test will have to wait until the weekend.
[Networking] cirian75:
mmm, my results a pretty poor, not as poor as your, but also have clean line of sight to the mast 120 meters away

I get 7 to 10mbps

barely cracking 1.5mbps right now
[Networking] asdrewq:
Just hit a new record low:

165ms, 54kbps downstream, 1228kbps upstream.
[Networking] cirian75:
sounds like classic traffic sense

poor download and latency

but good upload

please do a ping test

http://www.pingtest.net/

I bet its poor, and you can't do the packet part of the test.
[Networking] asdrewq:
Pingtest results:

578ms :(

pingtest.net/result/72615276.png

To be honest, the packetloss test has never worked for me on pingtest.net. I assumed it was some sort of limitation with mobile broadband, as even when I had a good connection it did not work.

I'm going to get on the phone to 3 tomorrow. Any tips of cutting through the callcenter BS and talking to someone who a) may know what's going on and b) is in a position to fix it?
[Networking] cirian75:
ping test packets work for me on my 4s on three when not TrafficSensed, they don't when I was

call centre will lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

they will not admit fault, I think anyone who does there, gets fired before the end of the day

tweet the twitter teams @ThreeUK and ThreeUKsupport
[Networking] otester:
Also guys if you rely on 3G for internet (no/poor landline) then go with VirginMobile, they allow tethering and usage is unlimited, apparently speeds are capped at 3.8Mbps down, ~500Kbps up, though.
[Networking] ahmadcentral:
Guys you do realise traffic sense hasn't be on for ages now. Its over and not coming back. if it does come back i will be the first complaining about it. Now can we move on.

There is a reason for a lot of the outages/mast maintenance going on. There are a huge number of mass mast upgrades going on so the masts will be able to support HSPA+ and DC-HSPA+. The same has been going on this month for Orange and T-Mobile customers. In other words customers part of MBNL. These upgrades will go on for a while around the country. It is not traffic sense.

And hey the guy called asdrewq could just have a fault with his local mast. I bet he hasn't tested it elsewhere. At least get some evidence or research what is going on with the network before you post mate.

I know a couple of contractors working for mbnl, thats my source.
[Networking] cirian75:
Yes I know.

But his slowdown is behaving exactly like TS

We'll know on Saturday afternoon when he does and before and after 1500 test
[Networking] asdrewq:
The first thing I did was tweet three regarding a possible mast fault. They replied it was fine and not undergoing maintenance and that the slowdown must be on my end. What other conclusion could in draw from that?
[Networking] otester:
Do you work for Three or something?

As long as TS remains on their site, it exists, if it did not, they'd remove it.
[Networking] asdrewq:
You will all be glad to hear I won't be going away until this is resolved :cyclops:

Todays updates:

I did some speed tests during my lunchbreak. This is 15 miles from my house, different base station, which I walked to within 50m of.

133kb/s down, 1667kb/s up.

Same slow results, so that rules out a local mast problem imo. However this was at ~12:15 today - a time I assumed any traffic sense would definitely NOT be working? Perhaps that cell site was overloaded.

Phone ran out of battery in the day, so when I got home I put it on charge and booted up. The second I had full HSPA+ connection I did a speed test:

9798kb/s down, 1685kb/s up!

Wooo, I thought. it's fixed at last. Back to its old speedy self.

Literally ONE MINUTE later I test again:

87kb/s down, 1405kb/s up.

Can anyone hypothesize an explanation for that?
[Networking] otester:
Maybe go to a Three shop and see what they have to say.
[Networking] cirian75:
Also at the three shop you can test your Internet speed against the Display phones
[Networking] ahmadcentral:
No i do not.

It;s just annoying reading the same complaints over and over again when the throttling aspect of TS was axed ages ago. Trust me, i'd be the first one complaining on here as i regularly tether and use 40GB+ most months.

I find it weird how people just jump to conclusions without doing any research itself. For example when T-Mobile was capping plans at 1.8mbps and 3.8mbps people did loads of tests to see if it was a cap or mast restriction. Then they contacted ofcom/asa etc.. together and that is why now you can get much faster speeds on T-Mo/Orange. If no one had complained we'd all be stuck on 3.8mbps. So trust me i'm against Mobile companies throttling and capping when they say something else. But it has to be done right. No point shouting if there's nothing to shout about.

I suggest changing the thread title to solved or something. It's quite misleading for myself as it gets me worried every time i see it pop up here.
[Networking] otester:
If what you say is true then why is it at exactly 3pm my tethering/anything other than HTTP traffic on my phone drops from 8Mbps to 0.1Mbps and returns to normal speed at midnight?