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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
good points in your entire post but i wanted to stress this part in bold. we already have dedicated threads to each of those issues basically. we also have a super thread with all of them in there. has links, info and everything.

point moderator and others are stressing is that a new thread doesn't need to made for an already existing issue which there's already a dedicated thread for. Plain & simple. Moderators trying to free general section from excess clutter.

You don't see people starting new threads based on get well Gary, Asus is the best, or whatever b.s. that other poster said. Keep it to the existing threads. If people would more so do that, then everything would be fine. Do like the OP said. Take the complaints to an Official Asus forum or something to be heard. Several small complaint threads wont be as powerful as a few big ones.

Complaints are completely valid and accepted BUT they need to go into the corresponding thread. which is why XDA stresses using the search function before you think of creating a new thread. because 9 times out of 10, someone has already created a thread on it. Then you can post your viewpoints in that thread. We have several complaints threads that cover all bases and haven't been closed down & left open. Use those threads unless you have something new never seen before here.

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agreed
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Eh, not exactly true. That and I personally don't see any issue with directing all "complaints" in OFFICIAL ASUS thread. If all complaints, flames & trolls are being active in one thread.. it actually helps MODS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
Issues with the Prime aside, I have personally seen threads that start with people asking for help that within two pages turn into nothing but personal attacks and comments about the other person's parentage. These kinds of posts are explicitly prohibited in the XDA rules you agree to follow when you create your account.

As for problems that don't have definitive causes or solutions, if you don't have anything really valuable you add you should not even bother to post a comment in that thread. Just like in real life some people need to learn how to filter what they chose to say in a particular conversation.

I don't think that there are many new issues coming up, at latest it doesn't seem that way from my daily reading in these forums. Most posts seem to be talking about issues that have been discussed at least once already. Another XDA rule is search before you post. It is better to revive an older post on an issue that is affecting you than to start a new one because then all the info is in one spot which makes searching easier.

If you search for info on an issue and find no previous posts regarding the same or very similar issue at that point you should enter a new topic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i see your point. If they all directed to an Official Asus complaint thread that's fine and would be welcomed. but Not their update thread on future info/products/updates/or new Asus personnel coming to help. there is a difference
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Relatively speaking, we haven't found a solution or exactly found the "cause" for all issues since launch (excluding GPS dongle). However, we have seen increase in new "issue" since launch (gaming issue.. I/O issue.. blah blah blah). At this current time, we're all relatively coming up with hypothesis to find the cause for all the issue. Can't solve an issue without knowing the cause. However, we can't find the cause without "quantitative" data .... & all the complaints in Prime's case.. is the data. Each Prime acts differently from one another and each complaint should be taken into account.... thus, they are contributing.

I do agree on the aspect of immature behavior. But that's also the nature of public forum, and that whole "immaturity" also begins with both sides of the fence trying to defend their cause & completely going off-topic. Until we actually find "cause/reason" for all the issue... my guess is that it'll only continue. We're all trying to be productive & move forward with Prime.... but it's extremely difficult with the current situation...

How so? All other OFFICIAL Asus threads are inactive & why must we care about future product news from Asus? This is a public forum, however.. Asus open the wounds by creating OFFICIAL thread (even if it is just for announcement). If other OFFICIAL threads are inactive, it's only natural & logical to go towards an active post..... I don't understand the logic of why we have to cater towards Asus. If a lack of announcement or poor customer service is being made.... I see relevancy in posting in a thread that's about Asus announcement as the person didn't receive such "update" from the announcement.

We're complaining that certain "issue" threads aren't being productive or helpful. Official announcement threads aren't exactly the thread to talk details about issues & how to solve it. Nor are the PR Asus guys from engineering/dev dept. of Asus.. thus, they aren't exactly going to be helpful in that regard. Why not just let all the "*****ing" & cat fight go into that section....... Seems like the most logical place to be.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
I am not saying people shouldn't post info or ask questions, I am just saying people shouldn't start new threads without looking for threads that might already be discussing problems similar to their own. I think we all see that this specific behavior happens a lot.

There is no excuse at all for personal attacks. NONE.

If two people cannot agree or provide strong supportive evidence in favor of their arguments they should just agree to disagree. If they are trying to help resolve an issue their is no harm in trying multiple solutions to find one that works. If they are just trying to forward their own unsupported opinion or they just have a fanboy crush on one hardware company or another they should leave XDA unless they have something more to add to the community.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clenz:
I've seen other forums where they created an "Official RMA issues" type thread that had been successful in keeping posts consolidated. The problem is that threads in XDA seem to be "My RMA experience ..." so each is unique. If we started an "official" thread for each of the major issues it could be better controlled. May be just semantics, but we know the major topics and should establish and enforce some structure. I think the "Browser not responding" is a good example of this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ready2Mosh:
I just received the newest of the new Primes, a C4O 64gb, haven't seen anyone posting about these, but my new Prime has 2 stuck pixels, trying to unstick them now, but I'm not hopeful.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jrkart99:
I apologize for opening a new complaint thread last night. Alcohol was involved, and I'm just getting cranky. No disrespect to the mods.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flub:
As that other poster (me) didn't say new threads were being started, I said nothing was said about the get well, Asus is great etc type of posts yet complaints were a no no. Take the unofficial /official thread it was closed after 214 pages nothing was said to the glad your here gary, get well soon posts ( which was totally off topic ) infact you thanked most yet when some started to use thread to complain about lack of & quality of updates ( which to me was on topic ) thread got closed. Pro Asus or what ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Well, this thread obviously needs to be closed. But before that happens, I do wish to make few corrections.

1. We don't have a dedicated thread to all "existing" issues. Some are lumped together, some completely ignored/deleted/closed due to being a "minority" issue and etc. Issue such as WIFI performance (ahh.. the complicated & varying degree of performance with WIFI) isn't even acknowledged by Asus (as you can see, we have no Official thread from Asus for that as it works to their "standard").

2. We have seen Asus, Tegra, Nvidia and etc is the best thread & post. I don't think I have to go further into this.....

3. We have an official ASUS PR person in this forum creating official thread. I still don't see an issue to vent/voice be heard in such thread. Plus, we can take the same approach with.. "if you want to praise Asus, simply go to OFFICIAL ASUS FORUM".

Also, if GPS history is anything go by.... XDA is a powerful forum.

4. Oh, and lastly.. how nice of you to create a .gif logo/banner as a recognized contributor in your signature. Yes, you certainly aren't active in this forum to be recognized & "stamp your authority" as I have once said in the past. =P

Ahh.. and yea, this is supposed to be a joke/sarcasm.. don't take it too "LITERALLY" either.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jerdog:
Pro Asus? Really? Last time I checked we had way more threads and topics and such about other devices than Asus. But maybe I should check again....

I am correct. I used to be the forum moderator in this section, and I can tell you for a fact that plenty of junk was dealt with from the "OMG ASUS I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABY!" threads/posts to the "OMG ASUS YOU SUCK A DONKEY'S TOE!".

THIS.

You are illustrating the subjective nature of experiences. You don't like anyone talking about how great ASUS might be due to your experience, but you are ok with talking about how terrible they are. You can't have it both ways.

Realize that Moderators are to take ALL things into consideration before acting instead of looking at one post and saying "OMG THIS ID10T NEEDS TO STOP POSTING".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
No , its not.Its bravado , with some chest thumping thrown in

He got called out, and had no come back.He used the super tester in the other thread, and pulled out super poster in this one trying to intimidate, neither of the 2 makes any difference, except to him.He certainly doesn't intimidate me, and certainly doesnt change what the prime is right now in its current state.He's extremely worried about his reputation getting tarnished, as you can tell by his response.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flub:
Jerdog

If you had bothered to read my posts you will have noticed that I have stated more than once that I have had no probs with my prime. Find posts where I have been blatently anti Asus or complained about my Prime

How hard is it to grasp what I am saying....

If its ok for all the pro Asus comments then it should also be ok for the complaints

I am not asking to have it both ways...the Pro camp already has it both ways, I believe in fairness

I am not anti Asus neither Pro Asus personally I could not give a flying fig either way but I do dislike the unfairness shown to those who complain. How many threads been closed in the last couple of weeks, One thread after 214 pages probably half of them sucking up to Asus yet nothing said to them but thread closed because users complained in unofficial/official thread. If you cannot see the unfairness in that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
Lol keyboard lag,
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
Flub, you are missing the point and contributing the the kind of behavior that the mods are trying to avoid.

There are a handful of "Pro Asus" threads at most. I have personally seen over a dozen separate threads saying "My Prime won't charge/Charger broken/Can't charge from USB" etc. There was no need for that many threads, people are not using the search function before they post their problem, thus they are not following the rules of XDA.

How many WiFi related posts were created? How many of them actually contained people actively exchanging ideas to rectify the problem, vs people complaining that Asus sucks and the Prime sucks, go buy an iPad, etc?

Most of the threads that were closed were closed because they were issues that were duplicates of other threads, many of which already had solutions posted in them. Again people were not following the rules of XDA.

The Unofficial/Official thread was a thread where Gary could share information with Prime enthusiasts. Some amount of dialogue about the information Gary shared was acceptable, however if you had actually read all 100+ pages of that thread you will have seen that half of the posts were people flaming each other, or posting problems which were discussed in their own thread. Again, both of which are against the rules of XDA.

As a side note: XDA and its representatives don't have to live up to your idea of "fairness." XDA is not a public service, XDA is privately owned and the fact that you can post here is a privilege not a right. The mods don't really want to control the userbase, but at the same time they need to make sure that everyone is following the rules so that XDA doesn't turn into a cesspit that drives away people who are really looking to share information about their devices, or looking for help with an issue.

I am sure the mods wish they never had to delete a thread, because I know they don't want to create the feeling that they are on the opposite side from the "userbase" and everyone can help them in this regard simply by following the rules and by treating each other with respect. Its not that hard.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flub:
we will have to disagree

we have a "The Positive Transformer Prime Thread" going strong so surely in all fairness you should be able to have a The Negative Transformer Prime Thread or in this case "Complaints about Asus and their Transformer Prime" thread but no that was closed within a few hours

I cannot see how I am contributing to "the the kind of behavior that the mods are trying to avoid"

Find my posts complaining about prime/asus all I have done is stated my opinion on fairness yet no one seems to agree. I am no youngster stiring trouble infact Iam 45 years old married with 3 boys 19, 17 & 10 years old .
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
I make no comment regarding your age or maturity, I simply point out that you have derailed the original topic of this thread with your own agenda. FWIW I am also not a child, I am a 32 years old. I have a job that pays me enough to buy toys like the Prime and I am in the process of buying a house for myself and my girlfriend of nearly 7 years.

I also I wanted to point out that most of the threads that were closed were done because the posters participating in those threads were not following the rules of the XDA forums found here:

http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?a=81

There is one 'official' positive Transformer thread which was started because of all of the negative threads regarding the Prime. Each thread that details a specific problem that is happening with the Prime satisfies the need for 'negative' Prime threads. If people just want to ***** and complain, this is not the place for that kind of behavior.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flub:
Please please tell me how I "have derailed the original topic of this thread with your own agenda" did you read thread title

Complaint Threads getting closed

therefore I am 100% on topic
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I actually made the suggestion for Unofficial Thread to be closed if Mods goal is simply for ASUS rep. to post on Prime updates. That whole thread, if you aren't GARY KEY or ASUS_USA posting... basically means you are off-topic. Being off-topic being in just about every sense.... It's only fair to both side that neither have the ability to post.

However, this is where I have an issue.

> The Unofficial/Official thread was a thread where Gary could share information with Prime enthusiasts

Eh, really. For Prime enthusiasts?? Gary Key or Asus is openly marketing their product in PUBLIC FORUM that isn't owned by Asus. Also, Gary Key even accused the general public (basically random individuals without actually calling them out) in this forum that they are either working for rival company of Asus, or just for greed and whatnot. It's a general statement to protect their own property, but one can also take offense to such accusation if the person isn't receiving such customer service.

In the end, even on their own OFFICIAL THREAD.. few announcement basically went off-topic of is original purpose. So, if the general public in this forum is being censored, I expect the same action towards Asus Representatives.. as ultimately, they are just another participant in public forum.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
By Prime enthusiasts I meant people in this forum who are genuinely interested in information regarding the Prime, which would be most but not all of the people who are regular visitors to the Transformer Prime section of XDA.

As for Gary or Asus_USA "marketing" their product here, I don't believe that is actually the case (and I am a Senior Designer in a marketing company). They were supporting the device their company makes by helping to resolve the problems of their customers, releasing information about updates and putting people in touch with Asus customer service, but I never noticed them actively encouraging people to go out and buy the Prime.

If Gary or Asus_USA did make a sales oriented post that is still very different than people flaming each other over a difference if opinion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. I guess that's where you and I differ in perspective. I have seen some "sales" pitch for Prime, but other Asus products as well. Also, the constant "tease" of such and such will be released & etc is a form of marketing strategy in my opinion.

2. I agree, but you also have to realize that Asus did contribute & I can even say participated in flaming war as well (by going off-topic or making accusations). So, in retrospect.. if all form of flaming is not tolerated (& shouldn't be).... appropriate action should be taken for everyone with consistency. Treat each individual ... yes, including Asus representatives ... as public forum participant.

Edit: Btw, to mods... I do appreciate your attempts to at least clean up the forum. Much of this forum is trivial & extremely subjective.... not exactly an easy job.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
Because you have failed to note why those threads were closed, which had more to do with forum members violating the rules of XDA rather than the moderators having pro/anti Asus view points. You use the existence of single semi-official Pro-Asus thread as justification for dozens of threads that break the rules of XDA.

The "get well soon" and "positive Transformer Prime" threads which you are using as the basis for why the thread deletion is unfair do not break the rules. They aren't full of flames and there aren't 10 or more separate threads expressing those same sentiments.

You have argued that point across a half dozen comments. Everyone knows how you feel in the subject. However that doesn't change the fact that the Mods are supposed to weed out threads that violate the rules in order to keep XDA a decent place to find and share information, which was the topic of the original post in this thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] graffixnyc:
Wow I didnt think me starting this thread would cause WW3.. lol like sands though the hour glass...so are the days of XDA... lol

I think on that note I will close this thread myself :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Okay guys, here's the usual warning: Please stay on topic (actually I am quite suprised that there seems to be some real discussion going on here, not too much flaming yet)

If you keep that level the thread can stay open. However, I cleaned the personal attacks...

To make one thing clear once and for all: The "I hope you are well again" posts in the official thread were as offtopic as the other posts. There's a reason I deleted every single post in there.

The point is just that there are a lot more complaint threads (all dealing with mostly the same stuff) as there are "I love Asus" threads.

I really don't care for either point. My isn't perfect, its Wifi sucks and it gets destroyed by my One X performance wise.

But that's still not a reason to flood the fora with duplicate threads or to flame/troll other members.

Even if you create 1000 threads about these issues, it won't make you get your answers any time sooner.

Another point: Some of you might expect that the mods are watching every single thread here 24/7, but please realize that we have our own lifes besides XDA too.

If you have an issue with a post/member, just use the "report" button and the mod team will deal with it.

However do NOT expect that we can check every single post in here on our own for compliance with our rules.

As a member of XDA it's also your liability to report bad posts. The mods are not here to play kindergarden teacher.

Edit: Huh, thread being ghost locked? :confused: Well open again now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] graffixnyc:
I locked it myself because of all the arguing. That was not my intention when I started the thread so when I saw it getting out of hand I closed it myself.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Oh okay, seems I can't track that then... :mad:

Feel free to close it again :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jerdog:
No this is good, civil conversation. Keep it that way and the thread can stay.

To the posters: Help us help you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] graffixnyc:
They would be able to do their jobs better if they constantly didnt have to close down duplicate threads. Maybe you as a Jr member(who has only been registered for a month) dont mind seeing tons of the same thread over and over and over again but most of us who have been around for a while do get sick of it. All I was doing was just asking people to think about it from a different angle instead of *****ing right away that their thread was closed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] EldonP:
My problem with deleting the negative threads without deleting the positive is it skews a potential purchasers opinion of a device. I came to XDA before buying my prime to see if what I was hearing about it was as bad is it sounded. I saw a few threads pointing to a few issues with older hardware, and a lot of positive positive posts. Now after having owned one and frequenting this forum, I don't think is the true picture of the general consensus on the device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] drherron:
I think there are reviews at many sites where you can purchase a prime that will give you an unofficial sense of the devices performance. Coming to a site like this the level of minutia (IMHO) would tend to skew complaints. For example, I am more likely to find posts with 10 people complaining about minor light bleed, because they are looking for a solution, than I am to find 10 people posting I have no light bleed. No problem, no complaint.

the point of this site is to make the device work in better and different ways. Purchase decisions are probably better considered using other sources of information.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Like both moderators stated, its easy to see there are far more negative threads than positive ones. the negative ones are mostly repeated or duplicate ones on same subject. there are no positive threads to delete. the view is severely skewed to negative. there are countless negative ones. MOSTLY repeating same thing.

THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE THREAD, & THATS THE OFFICIAL POSITIVE THREAD. ITS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.