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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4fseeker:
Do you know why they left mass storage aside?

Four reasons:

- larger system partition without loosing space on the internal storage partition. Both are very important.

Imho they made a very good choice.

- The filesystem has journal support and as such prevents data loss from power loss or system/hardware crashes. They are more common than you might think and several people I know have had data screwed up due to that.

Actually it's possible to hack Journaling support into Fat32 (Samsung called it RFS on the S1), however that will that brings me to point3

- FAT32 and it's derivates are neither designed for nor really good at running on SSD drives. The performance is terrible.

EXT4 is a brand-new stable and feature-rich filesystem with very good capabilities e.g. online TRIM support (FAT32 neither has online nor offline)

- Mounting a storage partition on the computer removes it for access from the phone. A lot of apps don't like having their storage removed without prior notice and will crash or misbehave.

Not fit for what purpose? It can run games as advertised, play music, go on the internet and even make calls or send texts.

Please tell me how the ability to move an app to your external storage is relevant to your and other people's safety?

(This does not include damage or injuries caused by you throwing the phone out of the window in frustration due to it not having the feature you want)

Incorrect.You ASSUMED the feature would be present since your old device had it. That doesn't make it an universally accepted feature all smartphones have.

I feel like you mislead me into this discussion to steal my time and by consequence will now sue you for any damage or costs I may have incurred due to the time spent in this topic. Including of course costs for power, chips and coffee.

Their loyal customers have since long realized that Samsung has excellent hardware but terrible software. That's why the loyal customers have come up with and use alternative solutions to the problem.

Samsung in turn is loyal enough to their userbase not to make flashing Rom's hard or complicated. It would not be hard for them to include an e-fuse which is burned when flashing non-stock Rom's (like Motorola does) so they can immediatly refuse warranty claims with no way to restore it. But they don't, they use a software partition even if they know it's easy to bypass.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Yes there's a technical reason why they did it and I'm sure the phone runs slightly better because of it, but at what cost? Well now it's easy to look at the purely technical side of this and say it's for the best but me and almost every other Android user would rather have these major features back and for Samsung to actually do their job properly and find a way around these problems, and it's easy for you to say just Root your phone and get these back when other manufacturers give you it as standard and Samsung refuse to answer customers questions about it, so you really do have to realise that Samsung are very much in the wrong here and if they were simply trying to make the phones run better why don't they just say that instead of hiding from the subject, so all I'm basically saying is most people just don't give a s**t why Samsung does it they just want the features back.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4fseeker:
Because they support dude has absolutely no clue why. All he does is lookup the issue on his cheat-sheet and give you the corresponding reply.

That's how all major support centers do it (Dell being a notable exception... however it's very difficult to understand their indian supports on the phone)

I'm pretty sure you could've just written "Android sucks" in the email and still gotten the same or a very similar reply =)

As said, Samsung has terrible software support. Don't expect them to rectify the issue.

In conclusion you can either pointlessly continue to make yourself feel in the right or root your device.

Of course it's easy to say. My S3 didn't last 10 minutes on stock after I got it near a computer. I own the old S1 and maintain my father's Acer Liquid A so I simply expect to have to do all the dirty work myself. (Or in most cases use the result of the work the community produced)

But you know what? It would've been easier and faster for you to root your device than to write the rant to Samsung :D
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
It's not fit for the purpose I reasonably expected it to be fit for. I can install less apps on it than the S2, their previous flagship model. It is is a regressive model in this area, not progressive, and I thought I was buying the S3 as an upgrade to the S2, not a downgrade. It might fit your purpose, but it certainly does not fit mine.

Under the Sale of Goods Act 1979, all products must be "fit for purpose", be of satisfactory quality and fit its description. This means that your products must fulfil the purpose the customer has been led to expect and the reasons that led them to buy it. http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1074440874&type=RESOURCES

Additionally, most suppliers are aware that sale of goods legislation protects a purchaser where he has made the supplier aware of the purpose for which he will be using the goods supplied and the goods are not fit for that purpose.

However, recently, the High Court has extended this protection in a case where the purchaser had not explicitly made this purpose known to the supplier. The Court said that a business regularly supplying the goods in question to purchasers in the industry should be taken to know the purpose for which the goods were required and therefore the goods should be fit for this purpose. http://www.georgegreen.co.uk/news/45 Samsung regularly supply mobile phones with the option to move apps to user-mounted SD cards and should know that consumers of their goods would want to use the user-mounted SD card for this purpose

Nowhere did I read that the S3 would have user-mounted SD card changed to photos/music only from the previous S2 functionality which allowed some apps to be put on the user-mounted SD card. I expect an upgrade (S2 -> S3) to be an upgrade, not a regression, which I consider this restriction on app moving, to be.

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Imagine if you bought a car/trailer combo upgrade to the manufacturers previous car/trailer combo model, and when you got it home you found that instead of being able to fill the trailer up with whatever you wanted, the new trailer had a lid welded on it with a slit that only allowed photo's and CD's to be placed in it, unlike the previous model which did not and you could store a load more of your stuff in it.

Granted, you could un-weld the lid, but if un-welding the lid voided the warranty on your new car/trailer combo, I'd say you had a reasonable case for the car/trailer combo being not fit for the purpose you could reasonably have expected it to be fit for (based on your experience of the previous model of car/trailer combo, which you could).

Loving analogies since 1985 .... ;)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
Missing the point, but I like your effort to use poor off topic analogues

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
I Rooted within 20 minutes of getting it and managed to bodge it up to do most of what I need and I planned to Root before I even got the phone, but the problem I have is that Samsung leave out features without telling anyone so when people get the phone they forced to Root and potentially lose their warranty just to get those features back, so just telling people Samsung have bad customer support and should just Root isn't gonna help anything so Samsung needs to know that people aren't happy about what they've done because if everyone Roots Samsung will just keep removing more and more features if it suits them.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4fseeker:
Well you don't exactly have much alternative.

There are 3 other devices I know of with somewhat comparable power, however:

- Galaxy Nexus devices: no external SD card

- HTC One X: no external SD card

- iPhone 4S: no external SD card

So Samsung being the only one that even features a microSD reader, it's hard to say this would be "standard".

Samsung also knows people aren't happy they don't give a **** about OS upgrades. Doesn't change anything

They only changed the statement that the S1 is incapable of running ICS to it being incapable of running ICS with Touchwiz.

Not surprising, seeing how much of a system hog Touchwiz actually is
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keytor69:
Just looked on http://skp.samsungcsportal.com/integrated/popup/FaqDetailPopup3.jsp?cdsite=uk&seq=434550 and nearly PMSL.

Samsung say that their is no move app 2 sd option on phones on android 3.0 and above because you will never need to move apps as the phone has so much memory.

REALLY.

Remember whe the first PC`s came out and it was said nobody would ever need more than 640k memory....... oh how wrong they were.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ReaperX21:
Bulls**t! :mad:

They just want to sell the 32gb version,that's why..

Only thing we can do,I suppose,is to start sending emails to Samsung to make them understand we are frustrated and hope they release a future update unlocking the option..
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
That's what I was thinking but they only sell 32gb on certain networks so most people just can't get them and would have to go for a completely different phone if they want more memory, and I think most people are just too lazy to complain to Samsung about it and have a whine on the forums instead, I mean I sent an email and just got the standard non reply they give to almost everyone.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
I've been moaning like a mother f' on their Facebook page(s) (in the UK) and on their support site.

I got my S3 on 5th July from Amazon UK. I'm very close to returning it within the 30 days Amazon give for returns. :(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ReaperX21:
I have also emailed the support in my country and they replied that the apps are stored only in the phone's memory (really?) and they haven't heard of a future update according to this issue but I should keep checking for updates..:(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
Added to all of this there was an update yesterday to the OS that removed the ability to do a local search on the phone, they are taking away features regularly now it seems!! There was also another update a few weeks back which no-one seems to be able to confirm what it was for, but it was probably deletion of other features, after all of this the OS version number has not changed at all :(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
Woohoo!!! It's coming back say Sammy

From Samsung on their Samsung Mobile UK Facebook page. They tell me it's coming back in the next few days!!!

"Samsung Mobile UK Hi Andy, Howard - the most recent software upgrade for the GALAXY S III in the UK included the inadvertent removal of the universal search function. Samsung will provide the correct software upgrade within the next few days. Thanks ^George"

https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/347306052014807?notif_t=share_comment

Woo-the-****-hoo!!! In ya face Apple maggots!!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ascariz:
it's new android policy that cant move app to sd. samsung respond. not mine.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Google say it can be done, but Samsung have proved on other phones it can be done but it is difficult, and it's Samsung selling me the phone not Google so they should be putting the effort into making it work.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
Added a post to the Facebook post outlining the SD card issue, hopefully that will be picked up on?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
An earlier reply I got from them said:

"Samsung Mobile UK Hey again Andy, as the ICS Build is a unified system meaning the internal memory can be used purely for applications rather than previous Android builds (Gingerbread etc) where the data was partitioned in to two file structures; one for applications only, and the rest for media etc. But with ICS the internel memory is unified meaning you have full control over internal memory for applications. Prior to ICS the partitions allowed a % of total internal memory to be used on applications, and the rest for media etc which was why move to SD had to be implemented since the hevier users would have far more applications than a average user. But with the unified system ~11GB is a lot of room for applications only meaning the feature to move to SD was removed in ICS. The internal memory can be fully loaded with applications with no restrictions now. Hope this clears it up for you, and please come back if you have any other questions etc. ^George"
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadram:
Some slightly disturbing news: I'm on my Asus infinity now and... same sh!t... no app to sd

I know the HTC OneX can do it though...

I can't figure out where they're going with this trend

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Another answer from Samsung that answers nothing
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ReaperX21:
Tell him other phones run ICS too,and you can move apps to sd!And 11gb is nothing when most new games need about 1gb for their installation.

HOX doesn't have micro sd slot.It has 32gb rom-about 29gb user available.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadram:
Hmmm.

Read it more than once somewhere in these forums....

Thx though

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gma388124:
That's the reply i got from Samsung usa, still waiting for a response from Samsung UK.

Doesn't really answer much and not sure how accurate it is
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
N.O.V.A 3 is larger than 1Gb (near 2Gb), but I cannot see a way of moving them to the SD card. Could you ask Samsung?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aimara:
not only nova 3 , most of game loft game require huge space , well my friend on htc evo 3d just ota upgraded to ics , his ics have the function of apps to sd , lets not talk about old gingerbread which was two years ago
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ReaperX21:
I have 3 games 800+mb and 1 game 1,2gb and no move option is available.

Seems like Samsung thinks we are stupid...One says it has enough space,the other says it's a google issue,the other says large files can be moved.

I am starting to get pissed off..
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadram:
Search for an app called folder binding or something similar.

That's the closest thing we have now.

Short of nagging Samsung to death, there's not much we can do...... Facebook spam sessions!

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
Nagging Samsung to death sounds good to me :victory:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aimara:
lol , share the link ? actually cant blame those techs working for samsung , we got to reach the top dogs where our money goes..
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gma388124:
Its called directory binding or directory bind if i remember correctly but it only works for rooted devices
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ReaperX21:
There are other ways too to do it,but as you said you have to root your device,so that's a different story.

The thing is to have the option available like all the other devices with the official stock device,as it is when you open the box.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badaeng:
There you go:

[TOOL] DirectoryBind - move data to external_sd (GameLoft, Shadowgun etc.) ROOT req.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
Any update on this issue?

Indeed, any other updates on this issue (for non-rooted S3's)?

I've got 10 days left to return my 16Gb S3 to Amazon as "unfit for my intended purpose". I think over the 2 years I think I'd be wanting to keep it, 11Gb for Apps will not be enough so I'd need at least the 32Gb version
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
Sadly I don't think the issue is going to be fixed, I call Samsung every other day and they keep saying the same thing thats its down to Google. Sadly I am tending to agree now as I have just had my Motorola Xoom update to 4.1 (JB) and the function has been removed from that, rendering it uselss to me as I had my movies/TV purchased from the marketplace on there moved over to the external SD, and now they cannot be played :( Moto are using vanilla JB with no additions of their own, so it does seem like Google forcing them to remove the features :(

Off topic slightly, the promise of adding the search functionality back to UK phones has not materialised :(

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29356650&postcount=261

I think the only way around the problem is to root, but I am not very competent/confident, I would need an idiots guide to rooting the phone, that even an n00b like me can follow :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
??

When I long press the left button it brings up Search, and when I enter "kat" it brings up contacts that are stored internally and music that is only stored on the external microSD card. Did it previously search other places as well?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mariachi84:
Quick Root guide for beginners :

- Install Kies on pc

- Download latest Odin

- Download latest cf root kernel

- stop Kies process

- Start odin and Phone in downloadmode

- make sure odin recognize your Phone via usb

- Flash Kernel via pda in odin

- let it reboot connected to usb

- CWM and superuser apps should be present

- if not, try again

- if not, try again after toggeling usb debugging

Only works on international Version of the Phone I believe
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] P_Jazzy:
I've got the search functionality back on my phone. Its an unlocked international model.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yasmin21:
Can moves apps!!!!

Apparently, you

CAN

move apps to the Micro SD Card on the Samsung S3

Before you ALL get excited.... only apps that are bigger than 100mb can be moved to the Micro SD CARD. (thus the functionality, only appears, when the app is bigger than 100mb)

PLEASE NOTE: this was someone elses find (dmarko on XDA-Devlopers), so credit to him/her (am only passing on the information)

I would have posted the link, put haven't got the facility on XDA as have not had enough posts, but this directly from Samsung

Go to Samsungs Us Support sight, and look under Support Owners and the FAQ

Alternatively, the link can be found on the XDA devlopers bit

xda-developers > T-Mobile, Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron Samsung Galaxy S III > T-Mobile Galaxy S III Q&A > move apps to SD card

Then general belief is that this is a Samsung limitation, and not neccessarily something to do with Android. ICS has change made the internal/external memory a little more complicated (note: I would have tried to explain it but a bit technical for me) The final implementation of the actual feature is down to the hardware makers, who need to configure these features of ICS to work with their hardware. Some hardware makers, just haven't pulled their finger out, thus why he are hearing stories of some ICS phones having the feature and some not.

So I can only assume its a matter of time, (with a little bit of encouragemetn) for Samsung to finally get around to working out how they can do this as its not apparently an easy thing to do, with the new ICS memory configuration.

NOTE: Current prices for 64GB Micro SD Cards (Speed Rating 10) is around £43, and dropping very fast, every day! (so wait a little if you can!)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aimara:
still waiting
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
The option is not there EVER, The Dark Knight Returns is just under 2GB and the option does not show, it's Bull Crap from Samsung on their webpage ...

http://m.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00048674&fm_seq=53149
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ReaperX21:
Give negative feedback on the page and write a repsonse!

I just did,I advise everyone to do so,to wake them up!!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
Latest response from Samsung

Having been told that apps could not be moved to SD card, then point out:

"Thanks for your reply. I am confused. This link specifically states that

Apps can be moved to SD card: http://m.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00048674&fm_seq=53149

So, can Apps be moved to SD card or not?"

They've replied:

"Thank you for contacting Samsung.

I am sorry to hear you are having trouble moving applications to your

MicroSD card.

This facility is no longer available due to how Android 4.0 reads

storage. The Android 4.0 OS now operates on a unified system meaning it

will read one data partition rather than 2. The reason why on previous

phones the facility was possible was because the phones memory was

partitioned in to two partitions; one USB storage, and one internal.

Now with the unified storage all applications can be stored completely

on the internal memory of the phone, previously it was partitioned to

only allow a % of the total memory to be used as application storage

which was why move2SD was pretty much a requirement since 2GB was

usually not enough for the average user. But with unified storage on

Android 4.0 the full internal memory of the phone can be used for

applications which allows ~11GB of room for applications on their own

which Google felt is more than enough as their operating system (4.0)

was designed for phones without external memory.

Any extra data (media, etc.) can be stored on the MicroSD – so you can

store all applications and data to the internal memory, and anything

else on to the MicroSD.

I am sorry for any inconvenience but move2SD is not available on default

Android 4.0. Any methods to enable a similar function will void your

manufactures warranty.

If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and

we will be more than happy to help.

Kind regards,

Cara

Online Support Team

SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre

My current reply is:

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

As the link I provided states, "The Samsung Galaxy S III

is equipped with either 16 or 32 GBs of internal memory, allowing enough

space to save all applications that are under 100 MB (1 GB) to the

internal storage. Applications over 100 MB (1 GB) can be moved to the

microSD™ card, provided the customer has an SD card inserted."

I am not aware that the Samsung Galaxy S III came with any previous

version of Android than 4.0. So when you say the facility is "no longer available", was it ever available

on the Samsung Galaxy S III as the link I provided says it was? http://m

.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00048674<(>&<)>amp;fm_seq=53149 )
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaggydabbydo:
Final reply

"Thank you for contacting Samsung.

Seems you may have been given some misleading information and i

apologise for that. The internal memory is for photos, videos, music

etc. Your applications go in to a different segment of memory that does

have a limit. Most applications can not be moved to the SD card. This is

not a new thing. Please got to menu>settings>applications>manage

applications> and then individually clear data from all apps. This

should free up quite a lot of new memory allowing you to download extra

apps.

If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and

we will be more than happy to help.

Kind regards,

Gareth

Online Support Team

SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre"