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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.

Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.

And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dante2086:
Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything :D

Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.

I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!

And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?

Sent from my wonderful Xperia S
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Lucasm93:
Not needing something now is a ridiculous excuse to say a phone is worse than the other. Please, comparing the Xperia S to the SGS3 is overkill.

The camera in the S3 is very good, and the video is extremely good, probably the best smartphone video camera out there. Battery life, not even need to go in there. More memory and SD card = much more possibilities and flexibility. You can just put anything you want in your phone. Make it your external SSD.

Removable battery is also a great pro.

The touchwiz browser is probably the best android browser out there, and the software/hardware integration that Samsung makes is only comparable to Apple's.

Keep in my mind that I'm no fanboy. I still need to make a choice between the Hayabusa and the SGS3.

You may have one (ridiculous) reason to buy the Xperia S over the S3. But there are infinite reasons to do the opposite.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
From your description, I think you should buy GSIII right now. Why wait for GX?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
You seem to have read the reviews thoroughly because the content just sounds like that. I am never talking head to head specs. It is a very easy conclusion who beats who. Speaking of which regarding TouchWiz, it's downright the ugliest skin is have ever seen and I would pay to remove it. I can't see ICS when I see the pictures of the S3. What I want to talk about is company ethos which is why we see HP going down the drain all thanks to poor manufacturing standards and bad customer support. It's what one likes. S3 size is too big to use it one handed. In terms of paper, everyone should buy the S3 or One X. But they don't. Everyone has a reason to choose something. Let no else tell you what you should buy. If the gadget you see is something you want right there, it should be yours truly :rolleyes:

Sent from my wonderful Xperia S
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Fekish:
You are talking about how good SE treats it customers :-)

I remember i was a huge fan of SE... from 2001 to 2006 i bought 4 of their phones, and on the forum Esato users were so brand loyal that we were saying that everything elsse is sh*t and we will not buy anything else again!

But in a couple of years they destroyed this loyalty unfortunately...

I am thinking of going back to Sony now, and hopefully i will feel this satisfaction again.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
I actually bought a Sony Ericsson Spiro couple of years back and using a friend's for a few days made me quite happy. It was a slider phone on a very modest budget. The phone's build quality, slider made me think it was something top notch. But the software was absolute ****e and messy. I had to reboot the phone quite a few times in a day. After that, I decided I would never buy Sony again.

But in a year, they have seemed to do some right things and correct quite a few wrongs. But even now, I can't help but feel that the guys at Sony could simply do with a better market analyst. The Japanese seem to be pretty bad when it comes to marketing and promotion skills. Koreans know how to do it. I can only hope that Sony starts pushing successful and tested marketing managers and analysts and understand the market better. A better level of communication between developers and the marketing department will also bring about some good. Hope the 'One Sony' strategy will be able to achieve this
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Lucasm93:
I indeed read a lot of reviews. But the point of this topic is why to get one over the other. Yes, personal preference is the only thing that matters actually, but it does not change the fact that one phone is better than the other. You can't use one of your personal reasons as an argument of why someone should buy that or this phone.

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Because, like I said, the GX is the competitor.

I belive the S3 will be the best phone of the year, but that's not how I'll choose my phone.

I like some things about the GX better than the S3, and the opposite is also true.

The size of the GX is better for me I belive, and the SoC in it will be enough for the next couple years I hope. Altough I would like it to have the dev support the S3 will have and the longer battery life. Plus, I need to see how both devices feel in my hand. The S3 ergonomics are being praised by many users who have it already. So it's size may not be a problem.

And finely there's price and when they'll be available. I live in Brazil, and buying any of those phones here would be a no brainer. Would pay at least US$1000.

Since I'm probably going to the US in August, I would get the phone there. so I have sometime to decide.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
Ah true mate. It is actually when I start the objective thinking (you know like a reviewer :p) that I realise the Xperia S could have been but couldn't be. I am in love with it but I understand it to be a bit of a shortcoming to many who want the latest and hottest. Though I am not sure if the GX will come internationally anytime soon. Although there have been reports of a July launch, it might not start shipping until at least September or October. Regarding dev support, the amount of quantity of ROMs for S III will be like "Whoa!". On the other hand, there will be quality developers for the Xperia S which is a good thing. Though can't help but feel that Sony need better managers to understand markets and their requirements. It has always been a Japanese shortcoming and hence the Koreans have become market leaders now. But the one thing I definitely don't trust is Samsung's doublespeak and how they consider India to be an inferior and illiterate market (things might be different in Brazil though).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lastword112:
Have you people even looked at the different benchmarks between the xperia s and s3?

And FYI for all the people babbling about xps camera lol, your phone is not even able to render the image completely on the screen, if you havent noticed it yet, please zoom in some of the pictures that you take.

Please dont compare these two phones, cause gs3 will alone sell more than all the sony 2012 combined.

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are you on crack?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
I am not but you might be. Aren't you even remotely aware of the Samsung Galaxy S II I9100G model which trades the processor and graphics chipset for lower end chipsets and sells it as a Galaxy S II without saying anything to anyone? You might never have owned a dumbphone or a featurephone but a Samsung Monte I had previously was never allowed any firmware update despite having problems because it was an Indian phone. European people not only got bug fixes but a QWERTY keyboard too. Sony updated all their phones and even Nokia does good on their promise too. So before you try talking ****e, please do a market survey around you. It is in the best interests of everyone.

And if you had been smart enough sir, you wouldn't even have pointed at the benchmarks because Xperia S is not a direct competitor to the S III and not even close. I started the thread with the same (if you had been kind enough to read it). This thread is about future Android support, not hardware or benchmark flexing. There's too many reviews to state the same. The S II hasn't received the official ICS update in India yet but Sony is about to release ICS for their 2011 lower-end device line-up son.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mailtojatinder:
Nothing like Sony.Samsung phones look so cheap.Sony has a royal look and feel.I will never buy a S3 over Sony,even if they offer a 6 core processor.Moreover Sony gives Quality updates,not fast laggy ones.Sony means quality.No offence to anyone
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SEFanX10i:
Why do people that do not even own the Xperia S come here and start posting crap against Sony/Xperia S ???? :rolleyes:

If you don't own the phone, you have no right come here and post crap and praise your fav brand/phone. If you wanna do that then might as well go to the general discussion forum.

I don't go to other phone forums and talk crap against them, and nor have I seen anybody from Xperia S sub forum do the same.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
Sadly, these people are blind review readers and can do nothing better than that. Part of it is frustration because they own a lousy phone and cannot upgrade or buy one due to reasons. Constructive discussion is good but when people start flaming and write sh*t, then I hate it

Sent from my wonderful Xperia S
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lastword112:
Your logic is as flawed as sony's android phones.If you ever were an early adopter then you would have got the international I9100, which was easily available in my city back then.

And if you are talking about the wonderful ICS update that Sony will deliver, hell my arc s cant even give anything close to the performance of htc's one v that my gf uses. I need to use stripped roms and third party apps to make my phone be properly usable.

Sony uses outdated hardware, Deny as much as you want, ultimately you will realize it, fyi look at xperia play, i hope that answers your question about future android support, and it has already been stated that the 2011 lineup with ics cant even achieve the performance of the gb counterparts. Please read more before you flame next time.

I did buy the xperia S for my brother, but at the moment it has been a bad investment unless you tend to live in a world where you are still happy using windows xp and 1st generation intel dual core with a semi responsive keyboard.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SEFanX10i:
MOD, kindaly close this thread :). It's only gonna lead to fanboy wars and nothing more.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] a4rocks:
So you are suggesting that it is my fault that I didn't buy the S2 when it was released on the market? Here, this is just funny at best.

If you would have tried an AOSP ROM for the Arc S, I am sure you would never have said this. On paper, Arc S will bite the dust but when you actually install it, might even prefer it over the Galaxy Nexus.

Regarding the Play its sad but they did conduct extensive testing and it didn't work out. Many people bought the Play to play PS games so if it detracts from its true goal by giving ICS, there will be a lot of annoyed people.

At the end of the day it's your decision. Since I got it at Rs. 23000 ($415 or £265), I guess you will never get a handset like this at such a price. It makes perfect value for money sense. I would hate to shell out Rs. 36000 ($650) for One X or Rs. 34000 for the S3. Bengalis are very opinionated and you are just one. There is always a nice tone you can conduct a discussion by.

Nevertheless, MODS please lock this thread. It no longer serves a constructive purpose and has been pretty much wasted

Sent from my wonderful Xperia S
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
Did HTC update the desire? Did sony update the X10?

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While I accept that the I9100G is a big load of fail it isnt actually because of what you are saying. The performance IS similar, the galaxy S2 has 800x480 resolution you will not be able to notice any real world performance differences.

The reason why it is a fail is because none of the custom roms work on the G version.

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This thread is taking a direct jibe at the S3 and samsung, everyone has a right to post here.

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The 2011 phones HTC wont update are the wildfire S and explorer. Both phones have 100MB storage memory and 600Mhz CPU, there is no way they can be updated to ICS. Nobody complained because they are so low end phones nobody in their right minds would expect them to get ICS. Sony has by far the fastest low end phones so it was easier for them to release ICS on them. Desire HD is a 2010 phone which will be updated to ICS and to my knowledge apart from the nexus S it is the only other 2010 phone to get ICS.

Hmm no galaxy S2 was the greatest android phone for almost a year until the one X came. The galaxy nexus didnt quite dethrone it.

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So much quality you have to send the phone 3 times for some blue tint. :rolleyes:

Sorry but this thread is just stupid. The xperia S is barely better than the galaxy S2, it isnt even in the same league as the S3.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gm007:
I will donate for peoples to get S3 and f***k off from here(sure with all my respect) :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
I honestly don't know where you get that from. Android has always debuted on the Samsung before the Sony. The galaxy s was way ahead of the x10 in terms of software. The GS2 and the Arc were neck and neck. A situation that arose simply because Sony did not have to work with Froyo and so they had ample time to develop the gingerbread software.

The GS3 has ICS ahead of the Xperia S and if there is no change in the strategy and philosophy of Sony, that's the way things will stay henceforth.

Let's be honest Sony are are the bottom of the pile when it comes to android firmware. Always one of the last to join the party.

From what they've confirmed, most xperia s users will not see ICS until July/ August if as I expect they continue with their staged roll out policy. Some might not even get it until Q3. A time when the next android version would be on the horizon.

As for xperia p, u, and v users, who knows....... who knows indeed.

2011 was just a false dawn. They were on time because they skipped Froyo.

They are back to form now. Slow delivery and cancellation of updates they almost guaranteed to deliver with all the noise they made last year about timely updates.

Xperia play users, I feel for you all.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
I see this thread has remained open. The mods haven't shut this one down because it was intended against the GS3.

Tribalists.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
Firstly, July/August IS Q3 and Sony has said before end of June, which is Q2. It has been put back, but let's not try and claim it will be delayed even further. For one thing, it will be getting 4.0.4 from the start.

A lot of people are talking about Jelly Bean as being Android 5, and totally different. I can't see that since Google spent so long getting developers to adopt a certain style and adhere to important guidelines that they'll change it all over again.

In any case, the next update is likely to be 4.1, not 5. And who has said that Samsung, LG, HTC, Motorola, Sony and others won't be able to upgrade ICS handsets to this? Sony might support its devices for many more OS updates, as it seems to be keeping to the 18 month support recommendation. As you'll notice, this will mean some of the 2011 models won't be included next time around, but the Xperia P, S and U definitely will, and so might things like the ray, arc S, active etc.

I doubt the next Android update will be that significant to be honest. I think Google will now try and work more on its services like Play, Drive and Google TV (the second attempt, with Apple now entering the market).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] optik19918:
S here is what i think!!!!

Operating System - Both models rely on Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich (S available for Xperia directed, via update later, while S3 is available natively). One advantage of the Samsung phone, which in his quiver also has the TouchWiz UI, is the clever new features (voice interface S Voice, Stay Smart, Direct Call, D Beam, Pop Up Play, etc).

Camera - Given the hyper body, giving excessive importance to the camera is not a far-sighted choice. However Xperia S features a 12 Megapixel sensor well that many fans would have liked to see Samsung Galaxy S3 (which has an 8-megapixel camera).

Both cameras are great, however: that of S counts on technology Sony Xperia (Sony Exmor R for mobile and 3D Sweep Panorama in particular) and a higher resolution sensor, but its part of the Galaxy S3 provides functions such as intelligent "Burst Shot" and "Best Photo". The point this time she could give the phone in Japanese society.

Screen - What's graphical quality is another good battle: Although Galaxy S3 has a large 4.8-inch screen with Super AMOLED technology, the one to 4.3 inches Xperia S is a Reality Display with Mobile Bravia Engine Engine, HD resolution and density of pixels greater even than that of the much-celebrated iPhone Retina Display 4S (342 dpi against 326).

Battery - Here come the less pleasant news, at least for Xperia S. If the phone is used quite intensively does not hold a full day. For heavy use of the solution would be: buy a second battery. Too bad that Sony has decided to make a product with a battery set and therefore not replaceable.

The autonomy of Galaxy S3 is rather better. It 'true that the smartphone uses a more powerful battery (2100 mAh against 1750) of 20% compared to the challenger, however, has a quad core CPU (which is probably capable of more efficient energy use) against a dual core.

Multimedia and Connectivity - In terms of multimedia performance is useless to deny that the quad core CPU provides an edge to Galaxy S3. The processors, in case of particularly heavy use of applications, ranging less stress, and provide better autonomy. But we must also say that I always spend the whole day playing video games.

What Xperia S loses in terms of graphics power the connectivity recovers however. In fact, the feature 3D Sweep Panorama, for example, allows you to view 3D images on compatible TV. The smartphone can be connected wirelessly to the TV (with wireless DLNA), or with the HDMI cable.

For its part, S3, as well as DLNA, boasts "AllShare Cast" and "Play AllShare", two intelligent features that allow the connection of TV and other compatible products. Both allow you to leverage the mobile hotspot feature Wi-Fi and make available to the NFC.

Conclusions - We can say that the comparison of some general characteristics of both finished in a tie. S3 has advantages with regard to the graphics processing power, battery and software, while Xperia S retrieves the photo industry, connectivity, and in probably the design. It 'hard to declare a winner!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
Yes the 2012 line up will be upgraded beyond ICS. That's true just as it is with other manufactures. My problem is with the timing of the releases. Sony are always later than others.

The roll out will begin they say at the end of June but that's probably in the Nordic regions. The roll out will continue for weeks and quite possibly months after that to other parts of the globe.

There is a distinct possibility that some kits will not arive until September.

In the game as it is now, that's way too late.

Flashers will through XDA flash their way around this by using whatever's available first until their regions get updated but normal folk will just sit there waiting like the normal folks who are still waiting for .73 firmware.

The Xperia S is becoming very reminiscent of the X10. A tale of what might have been "had this been included" or "had that been done properly".

Look at it this way it will have taken Sony or SonyEricsson, whatever you want to call them, well over a year from February of 2011 to June of 2012 to fully upgrade their software. I say that because the ICS we see on the 2011 line up is not the full update.

Now that's just not competitive enough. Not as things stand nowadays.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dante2086:
What do you mean not the full update? What's wrong with releasing 4.0.3 then 4.04. What do you mean later than others. The update for Sony's device are within May and June. HTC for instance quotes July and August. What about Samsung. They launched so many phones last year. And so far only Note and S2 have been updated. In the tablets space. No HTC tab is getting ICS. Galaxy tabs, still nowhere to be found. In my region, we don't even have the 3.2 update yet. (Thank God for Xda). But tablets S and P, updates have started rolling out. So sorry, what you're saying doesn't make sense to me.

Sent from my super powered calculator.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] optik19918:
i don't understand whi the people go so crazy about ics! is not this big deal!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Fekish:
Shall i send you my bank account? :-) hahaha...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kitsVA:
Agree. At least with SE phones I went from Gingerbread to ICS on Arc and didn't find anything except smart dialing for stock dialer that 'wow'd me about the update.

There are some free good apps and launchers that can get us ICS features on GB.

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Very well said. I personally think both are great phones which appeal to different class of people. GS III might have a little advantage as it specs might make it fool proof for couple of Android upgrades and still run smooth. At this time you can buy XS for $500 on amazon which is almost $200 less than GS III. That is lot of savings to most of us.