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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Has anyone actually asked Samsung why they did this and got more than the standard copy paste statement response? Because i'd really like to see them try to defend what does look suspiciously like they just doing it to sell more phones.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
I was referring to the suggestion to "download big-game.apk" on your external memory card and installing it from external SD to internal memory so you can delete "big-game-numberone.apk" before installing the game you don't have room for.

Oki bad exploitation , but to have 30 gigs of un-installed games on sd, so you can switch witch ones you have actively installed on internal memory

I know perfectly well apps \ games installed on external SD update and work fine on all devices except SGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
I called Samsung, so cannot copy/paste their reply as it's not worth the paper it's written on, but they said they were forced to remove it by Android and as such it is their (Android) problem, they (samsung) were just going along with what they were advised!!!

This has been backed up with the reply from the app2sd app devs I posted earlier in that the file system has been altered by Samsung to not allow the access needed as its built into their build of the OS :(

Also as has been mentioned by me on numerous occasions now in these forums, I have a motorola xoom on the exact same version of the OS (4.0.4) as the Samsung and the move to SD works perfectly fine on there, so it is not an android enforced issue, more an issue made by Samsung.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
The reason (from witch i understand so far) is that the internal ROM is no longer used for both android and apps , they divided the ROM and internal memory so they now have to have a third (and new) path for the external SD

If i got this wrong please enlighten me
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
All I know for certain is ICS is capable of moving Apps to external SD which has been shown on other devices and Samsung will potentially sell more 32&64gb S3s when people are forced to trade up from 16gb, and I'd love Samsung to prove me wrong but the facts are the facts.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
Whatever guys. All I'm saying is that the evil of good is better. Sure I'd like to have that feature but I'm not using it as an excuse to say the phone is bad

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omar.abbas:
sir would you please not contribute with your off topic solutions? you're fine with whats going on, then look for another thread where you can actually be of some help to someone, every post that i read from you is about the issue being not an issue for "YOU" and this thread is not about you. There are other people using the same phone with different needs. This was not expected and has effected so many apps, its not even about the games sir. i wanted to upload a file through my dropbox app which was in my external sd card and guess what? dropbox couldn't access my new external sd path and so i had to copy the file back to the internal storage just so that dropbox could reach it for an upload.. i hope you understand the problem!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
There's nothing good about removing it though because other phones run just as well with App moving allowed, so all Samsung is doing is blaming Google and really pissing off loyal customers like me because I can't use my phone how it should work and giving no explanation why.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omar.abbas:
Exactly!!!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
But I do use the feature and it has been available for 2 (nearly 3 iterations of the OS and is available on every other device) this is where we (as android users) are better off than idrone users. Whether the feature is used or not is irrelevant, it is the fact that a manufacturer has taken the feature away, and then wont admit it :( Hell I still love my S3, I'm just pissed cos I can't use it to the potential it should have without upgrading to a higher memory form :(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omar.abbas:
Totally agree with you, and the sad part is that i'm one of those people who do use this feature and the phone itself to its full potential . i have my phone all set and going, but just this issue is getting on my nerves and gettin me off my beloved new phone.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
This is not just the practical problems it causes either (and there are lots of them IMHO) but also that open Os`s like this IF-it has the known possibilities this should be available or at least "not excluded" .

This was even no problem on my n95 !!! i have never touched an iphone (honestly) and i don't like Apple ... but if Google stands by, watching and not comming down hard within max 3 months !! (or if there is a easy fix)

I will leave android (swear to god) and get one of those ridiculous clean-Linux "phones" ...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] th3g0d:
Hmm... i was abel to move nova to sd by using GL to SD o.O moved gta3 also.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Xparent ICS Blue Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omar.abbas:
same here man, i cant live with this issue at all. i need a fix or another phone. Samsung/google if you dont or can't fix this, you just suck in my eyes! creating so much hype and excluding such basic functions!

---------- Post added at 06:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:29 PM ----------

check again, it just shows you that it has moved it but it just stays right where it is ;) to confirm, just unmount and exit gl to sd and try running the game, the game will still work because nothing has moved
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
Does anyone think there is an easy fix, or for that matter a fix at all ? . If i understand right the SD card just have a different path, in that case wouldn't it just have to make a unique mapper\app2sd `ish codes for the S3 ?

At least a rooted phone should be able to gain read\write to sd card and then just make some .lnk file . I make it sound easy because i am biased

I hope i wake up tomorrow and see this implemented inn all (most) custom roms :cyclops:

Edit: tonight's special !! I will thank everyone that would make a constructive (to this topic) post for as long as i am awake the next 24 hours
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] th3g0d:
Hmm... in that case it just copys useless stuff to ur ext sd :D since there was the gln3 folder in my ext sd with all the game files :/ did not check if the orginal game folder was deleted from internal sd tho :/ gotta test again. Have uninstalled gl to sd but gonna install and try moving nova again. Dam it takes long o.O last time it took like 15min :D

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Xparent ICS Blue Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Well I'm using an App called directory bind and it actually does work to move SD data and most folders you choose, but obviously can't move Apps yet, and someone said yesterday they downloaded Real Racing 2 from the Samsung store and it automatically downloaded the SD data to external so at least people are finding a way around Samsung's restrictions.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
Well this is wonderful news! i can move sd data with several of my file explorers (r\rw) , but it does not help as long as the program cant find the files.

I will have to try downloading real racing 2 right away. But DO NOT mistake "having "some programs" from the Samsung store that can bypass this" for a FIX or even solution !

Its really more like a slap in the face imho. :eek:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Yeah that's what I meant, at least developers are finding a way around it while we find our own way around it, and what are Samsung doing? Blaming everyone else while every bit of evidence proves they wrong.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
I hope you understand i was talking in general, not meant directly at you my previous post, in short no offence meant with the

( But DO NOT mistake "having "some programs" from the Samsung store that can bypass this" for a FIX or even solution ! ) part .. i don't dictate what you think

For me Real Raising 2 installed on "SD card" and asked me to wipe some data from my "SD card" .. but that is still my main internal memory !!

So i guess it was too good too be true ;)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Having tried installing Real Racing 2 myself so maybe if the person who said it did was being honest then maybe if you don't have enough space on internal it automatically installs on external. But Directory Bind does work though.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
I would rather imagine that android is not that random and don't give different customers different experiences (huhu)

But if this really was the case i want to see screenshot and the nandriod backup sent to developers asap ! I know there is a solution , i just dont know how complicated it is.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funb0b:
Yeah using this too, it's funny as on 16gb sgs3 my storage says I have 16.2GB used in just app's with still 7.8gb free :)

With about 10gb on the 64gb card:thumbup:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
I will agree with you on this fully esp. If this is NOT what samsung meant to have in the first place. If this is correct then I would expect samsung to correct it soon. Afterall it seems that this is a software rather than a hardware issue.

No offence to anyone, but i will simply disregard the posts that have no real depth to them from members. My point was not meant to the thread title and samsung's fault but to some users needing more space for games. When it comes to utilities, im all for it.

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aznmode:
Thank you! will have to give this a try when I get my phone.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
By the way, I am able to download- export files directly to my external sd card without problems from dropbox. Just gave it a go. So if samsung hopefully just allows what every1 wants to be able to choose where we want to save our apps, that would be ideal.

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funb0b:
You do the math!!! :cyclops:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
So what happens \ how do you get those stats ? my internal memory stats dont match up with yours at all, i have 90 + gb on dropbox and i have a 64GB externalSD card.

Here is my screenie :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o2d35nbr6q1tyl6/2012-06-25 20.09.29.png

I HAD TO partition my external SD card to gain access to it,

So if you have a sd card witch you can not access , try partitioning a small amount ( in cm recovery mode) and see if you have SU permissions on all /mnt devices ( i have 11++ /mnt sub-paths like /mnt/obb /mnt/extSDCard /mnt/sdcard /mnt/UsbDrive* and so on

please confirm if you can read\edit the EXTERNALsd catlouge after mounting any small amount of external sd card in CM recovery

i think i may be on to something if this is the case

Edit:

Back to thanking _everybody_ for constructoism !!?! (as i promised 2 pages back) i like the way this thread FINALLY moved past!:O!! public criticism. and towards a solution.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omar.abbas:
Use the dropbox app (not browser because browser supports the external sd for downloads., open the APP, then on the top you'll see three tabs, click the middle one which is for the upload, at the bottom right you'll find "other files" select that and you will get two options to choose from 1.internal storage 2. sdcard. select sdcard and you'll then wana say that finger dipping line to yourself :D
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caitho:
Moving data between internal SD and external SD have never been a problem for me (maybe because i rooted my s3 before i booted stock?) but once you encounter apps like Spotify and HUGE games, the desire to install a theme on SDCARD instead of internal memory so you can boot without SD card -ergo without the theme (fail safe install)

the least we can figure out is how to link those paths . /mnt/sdcard and /mnt/extsdcard my internal storage would be 75gb (appro 11int+60ext gb) and no external sd, or the same value on both
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ricky babalu:
This does not affect me as I do not play games on my phone. That said, it pisses me off that Samsung is not acknowledging the problem and not taking responsibility. It's a page right out of Apple's playbook: Saying it is Google's fault ie., "It is not our doing it is Google". So if this is the path that Samsung is taking in its quest to become the top dog, then I for one will think twice before purchasing another Samsung phone. What is to say they will not do some other "Applesque" sneaky, conniving, backhanded thing in order to sell more phones? This affects all of us!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
I just think it's all too much together to possibly be a coincidence, because they release their next possibly best selling phone with the first time they offered Apple-esque memory choices at the same time blocking App moving, now to me it seems plainly obvious they not allowing you to move your Apps to external simply so people will buy the more profitable bigger memory S3 instead, and the fact they trying to blame Google and not give any explanation at all just further proves it to me, and I think the only way to make Samsung backtrack on this is to at least make sure they know we know what they doing.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lgkahn:
Re directory bind..

Can you post it or a link to it as it is not coming up with a market search.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aznmode:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=20668905
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
I went to my drop box app, and I selected everything you just said, instead of uploading to drop box I downloaded a file from my account to my sd card which was directly to the external one. So again look what you are doing wrong before making remarks that may make you look awkward...sir

Edit: drop box names the ext. SD card as plain sd card, which is why you may get the impression that you can only access the internal sd card. My directory of sd card is actually my external. I did the same with uploading a file to drop box and again had instant access to my external sd card.

My phone is NOT rooted as I have no idea how to do these things and everything works from stock kernel and launcher.

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omar.abbas:
You're making yourself look like a total noob with quite some effort i see.. dude this is a problem whether its about dropbox or games or not and it needs to be fixed period.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
Either make that video or explain it better to me then.

You said you cannot access the ext. Card yo upload or download a file to drop box. Did I understand wrong then?

I would appreciate you didn't use remarks as I would have to rely in reporting you. Just a simple explanation would suffice.

Thanks

sent with WSGS3

EDIT:

i see you changed your reply. Id still like an explanation about drop box. I agree this is a problem that samsung needs to solve. Exploring things that people say do not work is something i do, just to see if they are the same in my handset or not, so please excuse me if i dont just accept what i see written.

you can always pm me with more explanation if this is getting off topic. ;)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lgkahn:
Thank you directory bind works. I now have about 5gig off of the internal and onto the external as it should be. The sugic snf navigon maps which are huge. I wonder how directory bind works..after more research it does mount commands on boot. You can see them by going in terminal and issuing mount.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
Just to keep it fresh in everyone's mind....Has there been any movement on this? Samsung or Android willing to admit either way?

Is there even a possibility to fix this issue?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
It would seem there is nothing we can do about it, I called Samsung again and as far as they are concerned its a non-issue :(Wish I'd have gone with the HTC One X now :(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
See this is the thing. I am within the 30 days return option on my plan should I want to do that. If there is no indication they are going to fix it I might as well plump for the HTC One X. At least they are sending them on with 32gb as standard.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BuddyJoe83:
Ofcourse facing the same problem but:

I also have the Samsung Galaxy Note, official ICS 4.0.3 (non-root) and can easily move all my apps to SD. Game data AND apps are easily stored there.

I also have the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" official ICS 4.0.4 (non-root) and on that device I am facing the same problem as on the SGS III.

So ICS 4.0.3 + Samsung = Ok

And ICS 4.0.4 + Samsung = not Ok

:(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funb0b:
Ok so if we down grade to 4.0.3, would this make the problem go away?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
Could there be a fix on 4.1?

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BuddyJoe83:
There is no downgrade possible for the SIII and the Tab 2.

Both came with 4.0.4 stock.

Besides I can't be sure it is down to 4.0.3 and 4.0.4, just stating what I experienced :(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
Not on stock, if it's Samsung's policy, as they make their own build to use touchwiz etc, so if they see it as a non-issue now, that wont change. The only hope I can see is rooting and possibly getting a modded rom with the functionality put back in.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
If Samsung decides they want to invalidate warranties for Rooting or make it even harder to Root then they really f**king over their customers because now you have to Root just to get features back that Google said is in Android but Samsung removes, and I am more convinced than ever this is about Samsung wanting to sell more phones, and if people don't complain they'll just keep doing it.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
What is the best means of complaint then?

Wouldn't it be easier for a developer to make an app to allow this to happen? Ie people not into rooting their phones would also have the benefit.

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
If Google allows an App moving App without needing to Root i'll be happy but I don't think that's gonna happen unless they decide manufacturers are really taking liberties and removing too many essential features, and I honestly wouldn't know the best way to complain because most people just seem to be shrugging their shoulders and don't seem that bothered that this could be the start of Samsung trying to turn into Apple with massive restrictions to make them more money.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
How about a petition?

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BuddyJoe83:
Just checked, and I was under the impression my tab had 4.0.4 but it's running 4.0.3....

But it still can't move apps to sd.

Is it a problem with the latest samsung devices then?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
Yeah Google confirmed Android can move Apps but Samsung's blocking their phones from doing it and blaming Google with no explanation, which does look suspiciously like Samsung is blocking people doing this so you'll have to buy the S3 with 32 or 64gb instead.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daelyn:
Reading through this thread has been a pain. All this whining and blaming.

I guess nobody even cared to read Mr Chainfires article on the matter that explains some of the issues faced with multiple "external" storage.

http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/113/Is_Google_blocking_apps_writing_to_SD_cards_/

Samsung did a hack/workaround on the SGS2 and are aware of the issue, but still, the issue is basically Android itself.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BuddyJoe83:
My thoughts exactly.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glasairmell:
If a custom Rom is installed does this fix the "move app to sdcard" problem?

In other words is this only an un rooted stock rom issue?

Thanks!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
I was unaware of the article which is why I didn't read it. It's a good article which makes the situation understandable even for a nOOb like myself.

However, the long and short of it is that one of the SGS3's selling points (at least for me - and I suspect many others) is it's expandable memory. Not being able to fully use that functionality is something that many of us want rectified. If Samsung managed it on the SGS2 is it then physically possible for them to do it on the SGS3. Is there someone far more adept at these things that could answer this question?

And if so where do we go to, or what do we do, to get this rectified?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michael_P:
I've heard about the technical reasons explaining why it's a problem using external SD but any amount of phones have proved it can be done with no performance problems so it really is no excuse for Samsung to leave it out, and if there is a genuine issue why don't Samsung just say it because this is a major Android feature they trying to leave out, so until Samsung gives some explanation I will continue with "All this whining and blaming" because this flimsy excuse Samsung has seems more of a cop out excuse to change the phone to make more money.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NiggZ:
so cut tried to move apps with zdbox but nothing comes up to move :(

so there are no apps on the market which will allow you to do this ???
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadram:
Nope... nothing at all on the market

Sent from my SGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
Yet????? (hoping)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glasairmell:
Has anyone tried this to help with the problem of moving galaxy internal data to the external sd card?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1410262
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funb0b:
Yeah works well been using it for about 2 weeks :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vasp3690:
Yes. For those who don't root the phones we will have to wait...!

sent with WSGS3
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
It seems a good workaround for now (I could really use some advice on using it however as I am not sure I am using it right) BUT.....As you know you still can't move the actual app and that is, at the end of the day, the issue here.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leguyanais:
I'm using App 2 Sd to move my application to the SD card, It's working good.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
Unfortunately it isn't though. Check the storage and file locations of the apps. They are still on your internal SD and still taking up memory... Or this is what I am lead to believe and has been discussed in this thread.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeLGaRaTh67:
It will be, this thread is for the i9300 (S3) not the i9100 (S2)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greedyfly:
Good spot ;)