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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Hopefully somebody here can help me with a big problem I'm having...

After hearing about people having problems with TWRP 2.4.1.0, I decided to downgrade to 2.3.3.0 using the PJ75IMG (I need to learn to let good enough be good enough...). Downgrade went fine, but then I couldn't boot into my ROM... stuck at the spinning CM logo (running CM10.1).

In recovery, I get an immediate error "Unable to mount '/cache'". Tried wiping system, data, and caches, reinstalling CM10.1, and rebooting - stuck on spinning CM logo. Tried wiping and installing MeanBean 3.0, get a failed Status 1 error.

I CAN restore a previous MeanBean 2.6 nandroid (but cannot restore a CM10.1 nandroid - just get the spinning circle). I can reinstall TWRP 2.4.1.0 with fastboot, but get the same unable to mount /cache error.

If I restore the MeanBean 2.6 nandroid, then reboot into recovery, the unable to mount /cache error no longer appears, but I still cannot flash anything (same results as above).

I am S-Off, Hboot 1.12.2222, and on the newest radio/firmware.

Anybody have any ideas on this? Google and forum searches aren't helping me...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Sometimes backups get corrupted for whatever reason and with the downgrade something could have happened to the backups. Why don't you redownload cmx.1 and mount storage in recovery , transfer and flash.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kaos420:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Ya use 2.3.1 you can get it from twrp site. Google it should come right up. I had issues on all above

Sent from magical jelly bean.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
I already tried that (with both CM10.1 and MeanBean 3.0) with no luck :( I've got my one MeanBean backup that works for some reason, while my CM10.1 backup doesn't.

Gave this a shot - still come up with the "Unable to mount /cache" error. But then I booted into my backed up MeanBean 2.6, then rebooted into recovery, and the error was gone (like I did before), but now I can flash MeanBean 3.0, so hopefully a success! Thanks for the tip :)

Edit: if I wipe system and try to flash MeanBean 3.0, I get another error Status 1. This happens at the clearing cache & dalvik step in the MeanBean installer - I'm thinking something is up with my cache partition. Is there any way to wipe/repartition my phone?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] laie1472:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Try backing up your sd and the formating it threw your pc. Also when you have your sd in your pc or laptop look for a trash folder. You might have one that's full. Last time I helped a member with that error that what was causing it.

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kaos420:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

So I figured I would share. I updated to 2.4.1 I have as getting random reboots in the middle of rom installs. It got so bad my phone stated boot lopping. Would not even load recovery. Go to splash screen and reboot then. Thankfully bootloader was still accessible. I flashed back to 2.3.1 all my issues are fixed. Be careful will 2.4.1

Sent from magical jelly bean.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
I actually just started wiping by using a Superwipe script and flashing the ROM in the same install session... for some reason, that worked. I did put in a new SD card after getting the phone up and running (32GB Class 10 :D ) and haven't had any issues since yesterday.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

I'd just like to warn anyone with wiping issues, if the recovery is acting, what I like to call "wonky", don't keep trying to wipe using it. That CM issue you were having, I had on the last recovery series 2.3.0.0) upgrade, I keep trying to wipe with the recovery (I always use a Superwipe script but thought it was causing the flash issues with CM) and as it wasn't working right, it actually wiped my ext_sd. They fixed and updated the recovery so that (hopefully) would never happen ever again but it was a mounting issue in the recovery.....

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Soundwavblike04:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Sorry for this noob question but how do you downgrade from 2.4.1.0?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Just DL an earlier version from their website linked in OP. Then fastboot flash it from PC or if you search way back in the thread (or click the paperclip icon in threads list) you can likely find a PJ75IMG of an earlier version to put on ext SD and flash thru bootloader.

From my Evo LTE, yup.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Dees_Troy:
So, I messed around a bit with a ROM that was failing to install correctly with TWRP 2.4.1.0 and it seems that our troubles lie with a combination of the new kernel and the way that zips format /system. If I revert the kernel change then touch won't work with those that have installed the latest tp.img from HTC. The other solution is to have ROM makers change their zips to use:

run_program("/sbin/mke2fs", "-t", "ext4", "-m", "0", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p35");

instead of

format("ext4", "EMMC", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p35");

I'm not really sure what the best solution is for this problem though.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Getting people to change their zips is a tall order, but if it's the only way for the recovery to work, it should be doable.

Anyone that's S-OFF can obviously downgrade their touch panel, since that's the only way that non-Sense ROMs will be runnable at this point anyway.

But for the S-ON folks, I'm not sure the best way to go, as they have fewer options. Once we have kernel source, will this still be an issue, or will a workaround likely be possible then?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Dees_Troy:
The ROM that I was testing was MeanBean-v30-jewel-ltevo.zip. Further test reveals that this particular zip is using an older ICS-based update-binary. I built a new update-binary in CM10.0 which devs can find here. I further updated the updater-script slightly to use this:

format("ext4", "EMMC", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p35", "0", "/system");

The ROM installed fine after updating the update-binary in META-INF/com/google/android folder and making the updates to the format command that are required by the newer updater-binary. To me this is my recommended path, that developers update their updater-binary and scripts to JB methods. If you're lazy, you can use the call to mke2fs instead:

run_program("/sbin/mke2fs", "-t", "ext4", "-m", "0", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p35");

As an additional side note (and a pet peeve of mine), this ROM also does not unmount system before it performs the format command. This is unsafe and may cause problems with installing the zip. This line should come before the command to format:

unmount("/system");

So ROM devs, while you're updating things, make sure you unmount system before you format it please.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
I think this is a product of Android Kitchen using an outdated update-binary. Maybe someone can find dsixda and see if he can make that minor update to the kitchen so that all the ROMs built by it will use the latest binary and parameters.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

@Dees_Troy

I just wanna shout a real loud thanks for your work on this device and for looking into this.

Thanks!!! :thumbup:;)

From my Evo LTE, yup.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mcwups1:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Downloaded newest version and now I can't get into the recovery. It freezes at splash screen then reboots.

On Decks 10.1 and downloaded from goo manager.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Dees_Troy thanks for figuring it out.

Telling rom devs to fix this is EXACTLY the way to go.

It takes like 2 minutes to change a binary and a couple lines.

Awesome work!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] steal25:
Thank you, We will implement and test these fixes right away.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Kisakuku:
So now that the touch panel and failed install issues are squared away, any insight about the color cast in Aroma and the 5 second delay after initiating a reboot?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Color issues are because Aroma needs to be updated to run with the new HTC kernel, HTC changed color formats (now RGBX 8888 instead of RGB 565).

Not sure we have any idea about the reboot lag...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] exSD:
So I'm unable to use any of the touchscreen buttons on 2.3 in recovery. How do I downgrade my touchpanel firmware?

Edit - Nevermind. Just upgraded to 2.4 through Goo.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] thatotherguy..:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Isn't there a way to flash recovery threw bootloader?

Sent From My White cricKet LTEvo
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Yeah there there is, but it needs to have the androidinfo.txt file in the zip. Search this thread for other PJ75IMG zips, remove the included recovery IMG and replace with the version you want. At least, that's my understanding. Also, I believe their site has the PJ75IMGs available.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] volk9029:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Go to this link, scroll all the way down. There's PJ75img to flashed through recovery. I don't think it's the last one though.

http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/98

Sent from my lair.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ohmarni:
Unable to wipe using 2.4.1.0

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I did a search and didn't find anything. Wiping is simply not working for me. Well, somehow I managed to wipe out my SD card's internal files, but other than that, no wiping. I tried factory reset, wipe system, cache, dalvik-cache before installing the latest version of MeanBean and Milestone SuperJelly. Just not happening. Has anyone else had this problem? Know of a fix? I'd be very appreciative.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Nope. Weird.

From my Evo LTE, yup.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Are you getting any errors? Can you restore a nandroid?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

I don't know what is wrong with your wiping and definitely not how to get you sd contents back (I know exactly how you feel though) but to wipe, I'd just recommend this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=27166189[MOD]Superwipe as it'll work every time and never wipe something you don't want.

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
Guys really looking for some help. Was trying to flash a kernel (s-on rooted on cm10) and really the only thing I know now is I can't even get into recovery. Please-any advice would be helpful. My phone critical to my work and this is one of the few times I've gone into full panic mode on this forum in 6 years. I just don't have the time I normally do. The Cyanagonmod logo just spins forever but I get no closer to TWRP for some reason? Thanks in advance.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Battery pull reset?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, what captain said but if you don't know how, just hold the power button down for like 10sec and the phone will reset. Then (hoping you make a backup of the rom you were coming from) right away, hold the down volume and power and that'll boot you into the bootloader. From there you can go into Recovery, restore your last rom and then when it boots up, go purchase Flash Image GUI from the market and use that to flash your kernels from now on.

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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
Thanks-but that is what I've been trying to do. I should have mentioned I was flashing through the flash app when this happened. The phone finally booted on again but I still cant get into recovery and my memory card "sdcard" says blank and I can't read or write from it when trying to get recovery back through goo-getting download errored every time. Really confused. I think I can figure this out but what could have happened when I pulled my sd card? I pulled it-booted it-phone finally got back into rom-but now even in storage settings its acting real weird with the card back in. It asks me to mount-then immediately unmounts. It doesn't say any errors on card. Any way to just rename or partition the card properly??
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Have you tried fastboot flashing the recovery?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
No and very unfamiliar with flashing from fastboot. Especially when my card so jacked up IDK if I can even put anything on the root of the card right now. I think I realized what happened-I must have factory reset from fastboot. Everthing on "external storage device" is gone. I must have done that in panic and that is by far the dumbest thing I've ever done. Most of important stuff was on SDcard2 though luckily. Can anyone explain how I can get my phone to let me write on the card again? Or at least see it? I was never comfortable with the way they named the storages on the lte and now its biting me. Once it will let me write on the card I can fix this easily.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Fastboot flash doesn't require the sdcard, it uses the computer (command prompt with the phone plugged in). If you go here http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/98 the Download: Fastboot Method has the instructions for you.

It sounds like your partitions may have gotten screwed up somehow, but I'm not sure you can tell this until you get recovery reinstalled. (After seeing your edit to your post, this might not be the case) Can you access either sdcard (internal or external)?

Perhaps you need to just unmount the sdcard (in Settings/Storage) and format it from within Android?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
Sorry for mixing up fastoot but I did mean "factory reset" from bootloader/fastboot menu. PLease , yes, tell me how do I reformat without losing anymore data on the card? Once I can do that I'll just get recovery back on using goomanager (easiest for me) and I'll be off to races again. Thank you SO much for your help. Oh-yes-in storage it lets me mount/unmount storage card but is so GD confusing because internal storage is inaccessible
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Well there's no way to reformat without losing all data on the card... but if you can't see the card, what's the point of having the corrupt data? You could try removing the card from your phone, putting it in your computer, and seeing if you can pull anything off it before reformatting it.

I'm currently on CM10.1, and as it turns out it doesn't look like you can format the SD card from within Android (you can on Sense, though, I'm pretty sure). You may need to get recovery going before you can reformat.

Can you access your internal storage?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
I'll try and do it through fastboot. Its not letting me download anything probably because there is so little internal storage space im guessing. cante even take a picure but yes I can see internal storage.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Well if you can clear out some space you can change the download directory in GooManager (in the app's Settings).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
internal storage is empty for some reason and sdcard1 has all my stuff. Is there an easy way to just create an "internalstorage" partition on the card without wiping it? All my spares are at my office or id just pop another one in
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Socrguru:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.1.0 with on-screen keyboard! [2013-2-1]

Internal storage is not part of your sd card, it's internal to your phone.

---------- Post added at 10:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ----------

Hey, let's move this to PM's. Although I'd like others to chip in and make sure I'm telling you the right info, we're kinda spamming the crap outta this thread lol.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ipclark1:
"Storage card" is empty. sdcard1 has data on it. How can I get a storage card partition back on the card if anyone knows?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] travisw0204:
I know this is off topic for this thread but for those interested....

If you wiped out your SD Card use a program called Wondershare Data Recovery. Your files on the SD card aren't lost completely as long as you do not...I repeat DO NOT reformat the card. You wipe your information out on the surface but it's still there the same way it is if you delete something on your computer. As long as you don't reformat the card or drive on your PC, your information can be recovered. Trust me I did the same thing one day in TWRP by accident and thought all was lost until I found this program. It got back every single file I thought was lost and even recovered them in the same folders they were in on my SD card so all I had to do was transfer them back to my card and it was set the same way I had it. After you get all your info back, then you can reformat your card and dump all your files back on. Trust me this program was a LIFE SAVER for me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Updated OP with 2.4.2.0
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] saco274:
Hey guys is there a zip file for the new recovery. I'm not that tech savvy, easy enough for me to flash through the bootloader
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Nooblube:
all u do is use goo manager to flash.. super easy.. go in goo manager app menu.. then install script.. it will download the new recovery to your phone and flash for you.. :good:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Why not just use GooManager?

That doesn't require you to be tech-savvy at all.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Godfatherkm94:
Are there any themes for TWRP 2.4.2.0 that anyone could link me?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] saco274:
Oops, I meant 2.4.1, sorry? I have the 2.4.2 img in the goomanager folder and i just downloaded 2..4.1 img as well. Can I add that img to the goo folder, will it give me the option?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Why would you flash an older version?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] saco274:
Well, I'm trying to flash the new viper rom and everyone is using 2.4.1. I tried flashing on 2.4.2 but I got a failed error. Am I doing something wrong?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Possibly. Let me try flashing it and see if it fails on me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] saco274:
Thanks, I'll be checking for your reply.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Just installed Viper4G 3.1.2 with TWRP 2.4.2.0 with no problem.

Looks like you're doing something wrong. To be fair, the reason everyone in the thread is using 2.4.1.0 is because that was the latest version until today.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] saco274:
I'll give it another shot. Again, thanks for the help.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Sounds like you got a bad dl. Try a fresh one and check the md5 sum.

Gotta say thanks to teamwin. I love the brightness option, it was the one thing I didn't like about twrp.

Sent from my anonymously driven EVO
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

GlAd you mentioned screen brightness or I probably wouldn't have jumped to check changelog. :thumbup:

Changelog looks awesome, thanks TeamWin! But why remove the image backup size check?

From my Evo LTE, yup.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Godfatherkm94:
Hey, are there any themes for TWRP 2.4.2.0 someone can link me?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

From the changelog it sounds like resources updated. I'll try to update my theme if I get time tonight.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] MassStash:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

God dang you're frickin every where...... amazing

~ TF101 on K900's AOKP

Currently OC'ed to 1.4, KatKernel 70
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
updated :)

thanks teamWIN !!!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1775280
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] buzzwyzr:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Question: once the screen times out, how do we get it to come back on?

I've had to hold down power for 15 seconds and reboot into boot loader to get back into recovery.

Am I missing something?

Thanks.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chriswbush:
everytime i try wiping cache it just reboots and bootloops
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Tap the screen or the power button. Works fine for me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] njfoses:
Looks like viper is having issues as well. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=38492539&postcount=2373
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

I've wiped caches and flashed a full rom and a few different update zips, wiped caches only, etc. Turned screen on and off a few times, adjusted my screen brightness and screen timeout settings, literally not one hiccup.

If people get issues get a recovery log for teamwin, that's the only way for them to know what's going on.

As an important note, the layout of the buttons on recovery changed, so if you're running a theme that's not up to date it might have a button that says "wipe cache" and actually is set to "reboot phone". Not that I think anything would be that off on a theme, but it's possible. So if you're using things out make sure you're running the stock twrp look (or my theme lol).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lido:
having the same problem and when i finally rebooted into my current rom the screen wont go on unless i hold the power button down for about ten seconds.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] drlzanej:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

Latest working fine here, wiped with no problems, flashed a couple of different roms with no issues. Dont know about the problem reverting back that was mentioned in the viper thread. Will try it when I get home. But all else is great

Sent from my Htc EVO 4g LTE, because I threw that f***in iPhone out the window on the freeway
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] MikeC84:
I updated to the latest last night then tried flashing newts new rom, infobar port. From there it rebooted while flashing the rom and then any other rom I tried after. Then it started rebooting when doing a factory wipe until I went back to 2.4.1.0. Any thing I would wipe the log would say unable to mount "...." I have a recovery log for you!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6rysj3sgvzd1j7/recovery.log
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Nooblube:
yea im having problems on 2.4.2.0 also.. same here its rebooting when flashing roms and when doin a wipe data factory reset
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] drlzanej:
Anyone having trouble reverting back to an earlier TWRP, Heres a copy of 2.3.3.0 I used to get back with no issues, Hope it helps somehow
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] strive53:
Re: [RECOVERY][EVO4GLTE] TWRP 2.4.2.0 Touch Recovery! [2013-2-25]

2.4.2.0 running fine for me...I installed using terminal emulator maybe goo manager has something to do with the problems ppl r having....?