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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] limeaid:
Yes I've already tried. That's not the issue. The issue is the processing that the sense camera app does. I've already linked a review where the reviewer found the same thing as me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] alchemist316:
What I did notice was how the best shot feature sometimes by eye does not give the best shot but I guess we wait to see what devs will do without sense involved
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
Haha i love that. Whenever my wife complains about a flight I remind her of the three month long trips 160 year's ago where women gave birth along the way and you could be attacked by native Americans.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Antebios:
I know the EVO LTE isn't the perfect phone, we all know it has some drawbacks (non-removable battery). But, when I can test your methodology of testing to corroborate your findings and I find the opposite results, I am going to report back with those findings so others may see the results. I just reported back on the screen comparison, not on the camera comparison. For that, i would need to view the camera pictures on an external monitor in order to negate the phone screen quality or bias.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] alchemist316:
Limeaid I agree now looking on my pc but I also realized the EVO pic i uped is different res.

idk anything about photos I can edit them pretty good but looking at the pics once I got it to full size i see the epic when zoomed keeps its resolution more and also both cams are not perfect but very good I'm sure better things will come I don't think that its a major thing nor a deal breaker to buy this phone .

Just about everything on this phone I love.

Also I'm happy every phone I get is so heavily supported with great devs and community alike despite the bickering .

So thanks all I continue to learn a lot
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] LordLugard:
I think this is one of the "Apple Patents" brouhaha HTC had to fix in order to resolve their dispute with Apple if i'm not mistaken.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
It is but u can work around it by deleteing a file I my other post
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] manny1983nyc:
This is a great phone but barely a step up from my gs2 after some real world uses not so excited anymore after a few days but still a good phone im not the type to make something sound better cause its my current phone.

To anyone who has a gs2 and is thinking about getting this phone wait till you can see it or maybe check out a friends phone before you jump,the first evo was my favorite android phone and the gs2 was my best and even now after having the new evo i find my gs2 was faster and just much snappier.

Dont listen to quadrant scores or what some of these groupies here are saying,there almost like iphone users and instead of real responses to the topic they just say the new evo is better than a gs2 and i bet they never owned one.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
Really just a stupid comment and a stupid thread. Your basically saying sg2 is a better phone even though the sg2 specs are inferior in almost every way.

Yes don't listen to benchmark tests or that the hardware is more advanced. Just listen to me because i love my sg2.

Seriously you post this nonsense on the evo forums and when you get hit with facts you compare people to iPhone fanboys.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] louis.b:
+1

Been waiting for this !

Basically nothing is better than Samsung.

*eyes rolling like windmills*
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] alchemist316:
Ive owned three and still do if tested both side by side stock to stock Rom and one with a custom Rom obviously on the gs2.

Now I will say the gs2 is a good phone but barely a step that is just unreal to me even in mild use to which I doubt you just come on xda to see what's going on so I'm sure u will root and custom Rom it , why I say that is well look at the amount of great dev support .

Also I understand just an opinion benchmarks are kinda mines bigger than yours but it feels good to say mines one of the best .

I agree with that these types of threads are option based so when facts come up its met with opinion and we go around in circles .

Calling anyone on here anything is a waste of emotion but must say that is a rather shallow statement to make about something you research and spend 200$ on .

Edit I just saw the comment felt faster

Please point out with evidence how this is so !?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
I can say I enjoy phones for how they run but these sgsii people think that phone is number one on the planet and 3 will be the winner again due to a few gimmicks. The GN is a great phone depending on what you want so Sammy can make good products as far as a phone goes hw wise anyways but yeah. Most of these sgsii people are as bad as apple fans n they will all be waiting for the sgsiii on release week like iPhone peeps lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SinisterSamsung:
1. Hardware

2. Build Quality

3. Apple is taking stabs at top android companies to attempt to slow down or halt production, fractioning and destroying the OS. Pathetic, really...

Evo LTE: The most incredible thing about this phone isnt the seprate imaging chip... its not the 720p display.... its not even the overclocked Adreno 220 (225) GPU.... its the Krait S4 Soc. The processor. That baby has the modem directly on the cpu die. Noticing faster page loads on 3G? It probably seems like WiMax or even LTE page draw speed. Efficiency? Untouched. The biggest annoying thing about the phone is just the battery being embedded. The best diaplays are designed by LG, the retina in the apples newer devices are by LG. The NOVA displays, are crisper and brighter than Super AMOLED Plus displays. HTC has incredibly good and consistant build quality, i dont support electronics from korea as a whole now ive gone through many samsung phones, all poor hardware but its the build quality i.e. plastic cheap crap they build their devices with that i simply detest. HTC doesnt always put the best hardware into their phones but build quality is always solid.

I love the sense UI as well, VS Touchwiz its cleaner, more artistically oriented with the animationed weather clocks and sense 4's overall emphasis on the artistic elements of the framework have been greatly emphasized. Touchwiz looks cartoony and juvenile. But that is user preference. In fact everything is when it comes down to the android experience, thats why its great. The biggest problem with android is its a bit too divided, but everyone wanted a piece of the pie. If HTC teamed up with LG for a screen and the GPU was Power VR or Teg3 with somewhere near the efficiency and awesomeness that is Krait then it would be able to create a smartphone that is literally stupid to debate its hardware leverage in the market.

Wish HTC was the only smartphone manufacture, they do need to keep the hardware and software clean, specced well and efficent on their lower end models though. LG's Optimus S/V/T/U has over twice the RAM of the Samsung Droid Charge on VZW, which is ridiculous considering the way its been marketed and dropped as a flagship device at the time. Im talking about a phone you buy outright on prepaid for like 70$ brand spanking new.

I hate samsung so much i wont even go the route of their TVs. I'll try Sharp when i have the money.

Are you comparing stock ROM vs stock ROM here? Touchwiz is snappy but its cartoony and ugly and also a fair bit lighter than sense UI.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Yay another Sammy tv hater lol sorry back now back to our regular scheduled programming
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
Definitely the fail comment of the month. I wonder if you have a single idea of what nonsense you spew.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rodrigo87:
One thing u guys need to remember you cant get everything you want in one phone is always like that.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] grad20_09:
I have everything I want in a phone now :-).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Did anyone see sgs iii review on engadget lol Samsung fans where pissed it is rofl and some thought HTC paid them off as if HTC has money to pay people off lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SinisterSamsung:
am i like the only one on here that tracks down white papers to see whats actually in these phones? i bought my Evo 3D 150$ mint off ebay w/ clean ESN (gazelle, buy from him huge recommend) JUST to finally have an HTC. if you dont want to bother choosing a phone with discernment for the elements that compose it, then maybe just give up and go to apple?

only other company i know of with the level of consistant build quality is motorola, but no company stands behind their products for as long as htc.

if a company doesnt care about me, ill be damned if i give them my buisness. i want android to flourish, look at apple they are raping the market! Apples method of newest is best and the consistancy in build quality and expectation in hardware being met is getting them the buisness that i have to work to sell on android. stupid. i wish android had some benefits that closed source iOS has. HTC all the way... you see users satisfied for years with moto and htc, samsung? no. The SIII will be buried by the hardware of the preceeding HTC phone which are CAREFULLY thought-out, coded, and supported officially... and thanks to hubs like xda... unoffically.

G1-----------------→Android 4
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Really g1 has ics?

Damn it does lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SinisterSamsung:
yup haha. i wonder how many iterations of android it will be able to flash to in the future, its nuts its gone from 1 to 4. its horribly ugly by todays standards but just the fact its been the determination of our loyal devs to push it farther than the mind can believe makes android that much more epic. Imagine an iphone 1st gen getting Siri. not happening. I think g1 also has HW accel in ics as well. so far beyond its conceivable potential im just amazed.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] louis.b:
This is exactly what I have been thinking.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eman3316@optonline.net:
I haven't had the chance to play with the EVO LTE but I do not see why his comment is a fail. The GS2 was snappy as hell. Not a stutter to be found. So how much faster can something react then instant?

I can tell you while it can't be more instant then instant, it can definitely lag some which is usually the case with Sense and I do not care what version it is.

I am one that does not believe in quadrant scores either but better coding and software is what makes the difference. I do not think HTC has gotten there yet.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] devgrp:
My gf has the gs2 e4gt and I was running tests with my new evo. I can also say that the manny comment is a fail. No way is the gs2 faster than new evo. Every tests I ran had the evo doing everything faster. Now don't get me wrong sense still has some stuttering every once in a while, but nothing too noticeable. I can only imagine when there is a aosp rom and how much faster it will be
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] yourbrotherrex:
I have both. The EvoLTE is so much nicer than the ET4G it's not really even a question....You could hand them both to a 10 year old, and they could easily tell you which was better. (Now, they're both really fast phones, and the Evo is faster, but that's kind of like comparing two cars: one with a zero-to-sixty time of 4.9 seconds and a top speed of 200 mph, and another car with a sixty time of 5.1, topping out at 190.....

Sure, one is faster, but there's no way you'd be able to differentiate that by just driving in it all day.....

But as far as the devices in general?

My ET4G is on an extra line on my account right now, and either the line itself will be cancelled, or the phone will be switched to an Evo...

For me, it finally feels like I've found the perfect Android phone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
This phone hasn't even been officially launched and its already awesome..the few bugs it has will be squashed within a few weeks..and with LTE already being lot up its gonna be awesome..if u love your gs2 then keep it...sounds to me that u just don't have an upgrade ..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ttieder:
I have them both the big difference I see is radio strength the evo blows the epic out of the water in that area GPS locks quicker on the evo and data speeds seem a lot faster
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
Hmm first time I've heard someone say Touchwiz is better then sense.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
+1 ...I stay away from most sammys bc of touchwiz more than its build..I won't deny the powerful hardware most flagship sammys have..but touchwizis no where near as capable and elegant as sense..it looks like its built with a 5 year old in mind
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
I don't think any tech writers or developers would say touchwiz is better then sense. I've never heard one reputable person say they believe Touchwiz is a better skin then sense
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eman3316@optonline.net:
Really? I have used Sense for years and currently have an HTC Rezound and Evo View in my house. I definitely prefer TW over Sense. It is less of a resource hog and does not touch everything as much as sense does.

I have heard a lot of people say they prefer TW over Sense. I used to try and get Sene off of my phones as quick as possible. Didn't have the desire when running TW. I am talking about TW from the SGS2 and on. Not sure what it was like prior to that.

I have been reading that HTC has made much needed improvements to Sense this time around so hopefully they finally got it right.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
You do not get sense off of your phone unless your running aosp. Desence scripts are misleading. You cannot Desence an htc Rom period.

It would not function. Touchwiz to me is unresponsive. You really have to press down on buttons where as with sense you just barely touch it. And no one does widgets like htc.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eman3316@optonline.net:
Everyone does widgets like HTC now. lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
I mean Samsung phones are popular for a reason. And im grateful for their success. Otherwise apple would be probably running the world by now.

Just the op saying the gs2 was a better phone is just drivel. Pure nonsense
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] RegnierD:
A big part of it for a lot of people running stock was the stupid file system Samsung invented for TouchWiz. It makes the phone laggy as hell.

Tapatalked from my shiny new HTC Evo LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] louis.b:
I'd rather have Apple run the world than have Samsung as the face of Android. Apple fanboys are proud and arrogant but they dont go around internet calling people who disagree w them "fags", "dumb", "cocksuckers" etc.

I never thought I would get to like Apple again but thanks to Samsung fanboys I actually think Apple users are not bad as humans.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eman3316@optonline.net:
And you don't think HTC has it's fanboys? HTC fanboys will knock every Samsung phone that comes out saying they suck, they are cheap and have horrible radios. The funny thing is the people making these claims have never owned or touched the device they are usually knocking.

I do not understand the loyalty that people have to these manufactures. It is not like we are getting a kickback or anything from them. Also, people usually say the phone they currently have is the best and everything else sucks to them.

I am a fanboy of the manufacturer who puts out the best device for my needs. Just because that is the device for me does not mean that it is the best device out. It does not mean every other device sucks. Each device has it's advantages and disadvantages. The first EVO was ground breaking. The EVO 3D, not so much. The SGS2 was an amazing device that more HTC fans should have tried out but were not willing to because it was not make by HTC.

I am sure the EVO LTE is a great device and I actually come to this section to see how people are enjoying their new phone. I am not on Sprint anymore so have no plans on ever getting this device but was interested to see if HTC was able to turn it around from their last EVO, the 3D. It gives us a good understanding on what to expect from the future of HTC and maybe one day I will go with an HTC device although I must say after owning my first Nexus device, it definitely is something special and who knows, maybe HTC will be making on in the near future again.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
I have had epic, epic touch sgsii and the gn ... The first two neither me nor my gf cared for and both where aweful radio wise however the gn has been nice and radio is decent but not the best ics stock is awesome :P
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Also id get the gn myself but after holding a one x I deff want the EVO LTE :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] louis.b:
I've watched a plethora of Youtube videos and read countless reviews about phones and I've never seen anyone who's defending HTC or Apple or Motorola or Sony to deploy homophobic language to address Samsung fan boys. I, on the other hand, have had the honour of being addressed as "Fag", "cocksucker", (which is not wrong lol, but srsly that's not the point) etc by multiple Samsung fan boys. I mean really? You have to feel so insecure about yourselves that you have to degrade other people like that just to praise your favourite brand? Real mature for people who claim to be smart and mentally capable.

Believe it or not some people were not born being a fan of any brand, but were driven against a particular brand because of their fans' behaviour. Just like how Apple's fan boys make a lot of people hate Apple, Samsung's fan boys have done an even more excellent job of turning others against Samsung's products.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] difrent7:
They are both great but the fact the galaxy s2 is last years technology it still isn't doing ba at all.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
Ok, I posted this in another thread but feel it's more appropriate here.

I'm trying to decide if I should use my wife's upgrade on the Evo LTE & then endure the 3g speeds until (if??) LTE makes it here, or use it on another wimax phone since we already have wimax service here. I am divided between getting her this or the SGS2 which I currently have & has been my favorite phone coming from OG Evo & Evo 3D (No fanboy, I loved my OG). She currently has the OG Evo which is still an awesome phone but the charging port just broke.

Anyone specifically coming from the SGS2 to the Evo LTE with thoughts on this that can weigh in?

Any/all thoughts or considerations would be appreciated.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
My only q is what city/ state do u live in and also the gn is nice as well. If u want go check out the 4g LTE site s4gru I believe and see the running list of sites going to be first and second rounds
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
Boise, Idaho which isn't slated for first or second round according to s4gru. I've seen a few 3g speed tests w/the Evo LTE that give me hope that Sprint or HTC did something specific to improve this phone's 3g data speeds. We got wimax here early on during its rollout. Maybe we'll get lucky with LTE too, but not counting on it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Hmm then id say its up to you can you deal w the 3g if not id say just get the EVO4g fixed if they can or they might replace it w something for free... And save the upgrade
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Nvm
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
Yeah was thinking about this too & save her upgrade for maybe the SGS3?? :confused: But then I'd be left wondering about the Evo LTE, lol.

Hoping someone can chime in with some more info about the data speeds.:D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
True that but depending on gs3 if u don't like it rock the.same phone a hair longer nbsee what else is is comin that's the crappy thing and good thing about this market its hit or miss and hard to say what's going to happen as new phones are pumped out non stop lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] coffeehandle:
I think the phone doesn't decide data speeds. Sprint does. I love this phone and I'd suggest to get it and wait till they roll out more radios and prl
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
I agree with you but some Evo LTE owners are saying they have seen significant increases in 3g speeds since they got it. I have it preordered @ BB so chances are I will end up getting it (eventually ;)) & trying it out since they have the 30 day exchange policy.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
Get it you will not be disappointed
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
Pretty nice eh?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] xenokc:
I had original EVO then went to Epic Touch and can't stand the awful radios on ET. Is good to see SGIII will have Qualcomm radio but am leaning going back to HTC. Will wait til LTE comes to my area (expected in June/July) and for SGIII to come out before deciding. HTC seems to have better history with radios though.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] devgrp:
The EVO LTE is a better phone than the Epic Touch 4G. My GF has the epic with just the basics. Not rooted or anything, and my EVO LTE run circles around it. And for those saying the camera on the epic is better are just plain clueless. Tonight when I get home I will do some tests and post pics straight from the camera for both phones.

The EvoLTE is just in another league. The phone is very fast and does everything fast. I was comparing it to my 3d running MIUI and it starts everything faster on the LTE. The only thing I dont really like about sense is the stutter when launching the app draw if you havent used it in a while. But once it opens, its much faster the other times.

The phone is not without its fair share of little problems but so far I'm loving it
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] manny1983nyc:
Do you wear glasses?the pics on the gs2 are much sharper and if u take the same pic on both and veiw them side by side the gs2 will be cleaner and closer to real life colors than the evo lte and if you do this in the dark it would be even more clear that the gs2 is better cause on the gs2 if its black its black on evo lte its more of a dark grey and gives off light.this needs to be done side by side if you just have a evo lte and take pics you will think its the best cause it is great but when side by side the gs2 is just better im not a fan boy just wish people knew what they were talking about.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] coffeehandle:
Well let's see his tests and be fair
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] devgrp:
Yes I wear glasses and contacts if thats important. The pics may look sharper on the phones screen, but if you want a true representation of the pics, open them on monitor thats properly color calibrated and you will see. And trust me I know what I'm talking about since all my monitors are calibrated for my photography. And a good calibrated monitor is very important in the photography and graphic design world. My GF has the GSII so I will be doing some photo test later for all you uninformed who is just looking at the phone screen and think that is accurate. I can guarantee that if you take on of those pics from the GSII and send it get printed without opening on a color calibrated monitor, your colors would not be accurate
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
Would be interested in seeing those comparison pics.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] limeaid:
This test has already been done ad nauseum. I've linked to quite a few of these tests... Most notably on gsmarena who tested the one x, the gs2, and the gs3

The results have been consistent:

The gs2 and gs3 perform better under normal lighting, in a wider range of situations. The gs2 and gs3 images are more accurate, far less processed and not as grainy. The evo lte performs better in low light as expected due to its faster lens. That's the summary, folks.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] sgt. slaughter:
Troll feeding going on?........lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chconser:
Appreciate that, but maybe we wanna see devgrp's own personal, real world tests? :D:p
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] limeaid:
Knock yourself out.

I'm already more than a little skeptical of his objectivity given that he has already stated his opinion about the two phones...

Just make sure you take a close look at the exif data on the pics. Though that may be hard to do on the evo since it doesn't seem to capture much.