yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Moving to JellyBean is easy since the source code is available, you just have to compile it. To me it's kind of waste of time as the 2 main feature of JB is Google now and Project butter.

Since we don't even have microphone working then google now is useless. Project butter uses 3 fb instead of 2, without some kernel change, it's just going to fallback to the current ics. Therefore there are no actual benefit.

The truth is I have been taking a little time off this project, I am happy to see another dev is working on the view. But so far the only thing I see is that 3g related bin were added and that seems to work which is good. That means no development is needed for 3g. We just have to add the 3g related binaries to get it working.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cfoesch:
I have to say, there are a lot of quirks with the JB rom that just rub me the wrong way... like /data/media for the internal storage? ... Sorry, but not having my internal storage "hidden away" like that, bugs me.

Also, there are apparently missing German TTS files, which is weird, because the download is MASSIVE compared to this AOKP ICS rom...

I'm playing around with the JB rom for a bit now, but so far, little impressed... forcing people to have an external sd-card is kind of the antithesis of the reason for having a built-in internal storage...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
you got a section with just about 100+ active downloads on these roms.

2 versions to choose from, and limited development activity.

2 versions cannot make all people happy, sorry, i just cannot feel bad about 1 person wanting to push others just because there exist one alternative.

encourage because of the interest in continued support, but do not encorage because you are only left with 1 alternative. it could be worse, you would only have 1, thats not fun at all.

But! Why dont you make a german alternative, that would probably make alot of others happy, and some less happy, but give it ago. (beware adding tts files will make it a MASSIVE download)

btw, google apps are included here, ync rom does not, for JB its a massive 115MB+ sized rom add-on, so you might just consider that and ask why, instead of arguing the negative. I can for sure remove it, and you get a 180MB + gapps download of 115MB on top.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cfoesch:
But this AOKP ROM has TTS for German, US English, Commonwealth English, Spanish, French, and Italian. And still only ~94 MB. gapps-ics-20120429-signed.zip is only ~49MB... So, all together, we have a 133MB rom... add in my extras (vim+syntax files for relatively common formats) at 2MB, and it still falls well short of your ROM at 320MBs...

Look, I'm not trying to dis on your ROM, it's a good alpha. A _VERY_ good alpha. And GPS is working, which is NICE. However, there are quirks in it that should be dealt with before it's primetime ready (just like this ROM), one of those is that the internal storage should be mounted the same as if the hardware had no internal storage, and an external SD card in place. Let me repeat that: internal storage should be the first sdcard. Why? Because that's how everyone else does it, and it allows tablets to use a number of utilities, games, and apps that otherwise require an SD card.

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Small bug, has been around for awhile. Attempting to use "ssh" from the command-line produces:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Its really not a competition as to which rom is better. Every one has its strengths and weaknesses. It all depends on what you use your tablet for. I use it mostly for web browsing and Netflix so that's my main thing while I could care less about GPS. To others GPS and mic are big deal.

Anyway I'm just happy someone out there is still developing for our lovable single core dinosaur :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] oldpueblo:
Personally I've had no luck getting flash to work reliably in JB.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Bump. People say it can be done but it is spotty at best.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
So far I have noticed that browsing the web is a bit faster under JB than ICS. It is very fast under JB. I wonder what they do differently?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Browsing as in loading times or scrolling? Both?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
I use Dolphin browser and it loading times seem snappier under JB. Even faster than GB which was pretty fast browsing. HC of course was a lag monster.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AuronHTC:
Thanks to the dev for all the hardwork on this rom!

Amazing that our view was DOA in development only a few months ago, and now we have two very good ics/jb roms to pick from!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] theorie:
Just wanted to thank the OP again for all his hard work. Very much enjoying ICS on my View. :good:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
next release coming soon.

Change log

Headset microphone support

GPS

Camera (preview issue)

3G?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Shelbee6479:
Can't wait! IMO I like ICS better than JB. Please keep up the good work! and let me know if I can help in anyway.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
Can you please, make the kernel source , as received originally, including all include files and changes matching your distributed binary, available.

The one provided is incomplete and cannot compile due to missing include's and changes within those.

Please follow xda guidelines as others do.

Thank You.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AuronHTC:
If you plan to use the kernel to improve your jb rom let ync know.

You should help each other with both the ICS and jb roms. You both are great devs, and the only reason I posted was because your request - as stated - might sound like you want the kernel for your own gain instead of mutual benefit. Remember one of ync's worries was that someone would take part of his work and not credit him for it.

Also, ync said he was willing to release the kernel or make a github repo if he saw people fixing big ticket items (camera mic etc) on his rom. Sadly, I don't think any other capable dev has contributed to the ics rom.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
If that has been said, then its not going to be on XDA, since policies apply and a release with its associated kernel source is required, and since i can see customization in that kernel, it is not following GPL rules which XDA would like to follow.

so the question is not IF he is willing, the question is more, whether he will follow guidelines or go in others footstep and call his work closed source, and steal other peoples GPL code.. it has been seen and is still quite common. Lets just hope you misunderstood that info, i really hope that is not the case, but it does follow the strange public kernel associated with his post, which is not real.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Can you be more specific about what is missing from my kernel? Just yesterday I still got a PM from you saying all looks good?

Here is your own PM.

"all looks good. no problems, i will try and make a compile with the changes i need."
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nkmhockey:
I see you are planning on introducing microphone and camera support in the next release; does the camera support include video recording?

I am more concerned with being able to use Skype than I am the actual recording - will this be possible?

These are the last 2 issues I am waiting on before installing - I can't wait! Keep up the good work and thanks for all your time and effort.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
no video yet. This is just regaining the camera functionality we lost in the last release.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
yes, all looks good, i downloaded it.

but as my second PM explained, your kernel is incomplete and cannot compile, as alot of the common things like scripts and includes are missing from your kernel source, and for the includes there exists important files, and if this was a github or vendor source, all those are included. like the official kernel is.

a list of contents of your tar ball.

# ls express-hc-2.6.35-238a0bf_bak

total 268

drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:35 arch

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 block

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18693 2012-05-30 00:34 COPYING

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 94031 2012-05-30 00:34 CREDITS

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 crypto

drwxr-xr-x 85 root root 12288 2012-05-30 00:34 Documentation

drwxr-xr-x 91 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 drivers

drwxr-xr-x 36 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 firmware

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 init

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 ipc

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2440 2012-05-30 00:34 Kbuild

drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 kernel

drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 lib

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 51383 2012-05-30 00:34 Makefile

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 mm

drwxr-xr-x 50 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 net

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17459 2012-05-30 00:34 README

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3371 2012-05-30 00:34 REPORTING-BUGS

drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:34 samples

drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 sound

drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:34 tools

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:37 usr

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2012-05-30 00:34 virt

no include folder????
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
That was the last PM I got from you so I assumed everything was fine. I tar ball the entire directory, I don't know why those directories were left out. There is no reason for me to hold back include directory
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Who are you accusing stealing? I haven't seen you contributed to this ROM in one bit. At least I have tried to help you with your rom by providing the pen related source code. From what I can see you take parts from different ROM and tried to piece them together and call them your own. Now that sounds more like stealing. What part of your ROM was actually yours? Kernel? Rom? Also next time if you want to use my kernel please have the decency to drop me a line ahead of time so I don't mistaken you for a thief.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Ok everyone, deep breath please. I was really hoping these kind of arguments would be avoided in this part of Xda, but it doesn't really look like we would be left unscathed. Dexter, I don't think Ync left it out intentionally, it looks like a simple mistake/understanding. Also Ync Dexter is a porter, he takes bits and pieces of other peoples work(I'm assuming with permission) and pieces them together to get a working ROM. So ce we just chill please? I realize toes have been stepped on but there is no need to go a each others throats.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
Let's relax guys.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
To Quote Will Smith in MIB

My attitude is: don't start nothing, won't be nothing!

I have not start anything on these boards from day 1 and have tried to help with everyone. You can ask Chaoz. I have always tried to extend the olive branch first, so yes it's pissing me off that he comes to my board to accuse me of stealing.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
I know man, I understand where you are coming from and I'm not trying to blame you, I'm just making a attempt at damage control here. I know you've been helpful, and that it was not your intent to leave anything out. Dexter maybe a apology would help here? And then we can go back to being good collaborators and friends?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
Not you. but you seen already to accuse others, thats nice... thank you for your honesty.

I will leave you alone now, and let mods decide whether you comply or not..

No excuse deserved.. i got other sections which shows how people makes hidden kernel sources and incomplete or private etc.. you just walk down the path and you will get poplular.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Sigh. I give up. Xda is truly hopeless.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
I am not here to get popular, what is this high school? Please.. I didn't accuse anyone of anything, what part of what I said is untrue?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] joytofender:
Good try

Thanks for trying to help with solving this misunderstanding. I just hope that both can work this out. It's hard when you are doing your best on aproject you love and something small, like an incomplete file or a unread messgage can create a big argument that takes down what you are building and feel proud of. Let's hope both can overcome this.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
One thing everyone needs to understand about Dexter is he is Danish. I have known quite a few Danes in my life and they have a tendency to be a bit more brusque in their communications that Americans. It's just how they are. They don't intend to be rude, they just don't filter to the level we do.

So please lets not fight over this. Simply a cultural misunderstanding. We can either be allies or enemies. Lets be allies.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
current source in post #1, seems 99% ok, still missing some bits for compiling out of the box, but at least it was an easy fix. nothing major seems to be missing.

so alert is called off :) nothing seems non-compliant anymore.

Thanks! i will still put proper credits where they belong, no problems with that, and they are already there, although without kernel source reference ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Awesome! I hope this means we can get some Netflix love :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Like I told Dexter before the Netflix fix is not in the kernel. Otherwise with my kernel his jb rom would have already work.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Backpocket718:
Love the rom. My only gripe is in apps requiring a settings button. The "back, home, and recent apps buttons shrink and drop into the corner. Makes them really really hard to use. Not sure if its only me tho. None else seem to talk about it here.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
It's a known issue. The current work-around is to add a 4th button as the menu button. Search the thread you should find the instruction to do this.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Huh. So I wonder why Netflix will work with ICS and not JB. Is it really that different?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AuronHTC:
Surprised more people aren't jumping for joy at camera support in ync's largest status update for the ROM. I like taking pictures with this tablet... its one of the perks the nexus 7 will never have.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Latest update? I see 1.2 as his latest release. Which says loses camera. I too would like camera fully working.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AuronHTC:
Look at post #466 in this thread. Ync is the man if he has those working.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Just read it but I don't think that's in the 1.2 release. I'm guessing it will be in the next release. Maybe justa side note to keep the xda community informed about his future update changelog.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cfoesch:
I'm pretty sure this is related to the JB ROM not supporting hardware accelerated video... but don't quote me on that.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Can't wait for release. Is soon today?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
It's here....

Link posted, and upload completed.

Quick summery of change logs Somebody with 3g data might want to come back to let us know if 3g works.

GPS support

Camera both front and back with preview

Fixed squeezed button when menu button is added.

3G/4G (unconfirmed)

Microphone with headset, internal is not working
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Looks great will try it out.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
hey is the kernel necessary? I cant seem to be able to install through CWM.Just got the ROM running. So far so good, will test and report back. I did run across an error from the beginning right before i added my WIFI network. It was android.phone. I just pressed "stop" and so far i see no other errors occurring. Will update my post. Thanks for the Rom

Edit: Front facing camera: picture gets distorted after taking a picture.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
I think you're referring to the kernel source. That's is not necessary. Just install the ROM and GAPP. Have you wipe before installing the ROM?

Front facing camera issue can be resolved by changing the "Picture size" under camer settings. This will be fix later.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Yea youre right I misread it. I changed the picture size and the front facing camera pictures are working as should now.

The scrolling on the tab sometimes flings back, but not a huge setback if it is able to be fixed in an update. So far the Rom is working great. if anything i will get back at you. Thanks

Edit: I noticed the Hardware Keys are functional but are not backlit. Do you have plans on enabling the back lights or adding a feature to disable/enable back light?

BTW yes I complete wiped before installing. Also when future updates are released will I have to complete wipe again before I install any updates? thanks.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AuronHTC:
I got the same android phone error on the RC 2.0. Just closed the popup and kept going with the install.

Sadly, this ROM isn't going to make the View as fast as everyone's favorite android tablet - the Nexus 7 - but its lightyears ahead of what HTC provided. I'll keep saying this because its true, but GREAT WORK!

A side note after watching Netflix on the View and Nexus 7, the speakers on the Flyer/View blow the N7's speakers out of the water.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Having some real issues here. Screen lag is pretty bad and nothing will load in the browser.

** OOPs, I take it back. Everything suddenly working fine. Weird.

* Nope, now back to super laggy. Weird.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cfoesch:
I've been having these problems as well. It's like, something just totally hogs up the CPU or something randomly, and everything lags... then "poof" it works fine again...

As an odd note, under battery it shows that the screen is using up 60% of my cpu time, whereas before it was always mobile radio standby....
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Yeah something is messed up. This thing is lagging badly. Browsing in the last version was superfast but this version takes like 10 seconds to load a page if it loads at all.

Who knows. Something is broken.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
i think i know what the problem is. will push a fix soon.

Also I think I solved the scrolling issue. But then again I have thought that b4. So I will u be the judge of that.

I am going to see a movie so don't expect the new version until late tonight or tomorrow.

Sent from my HTC EXPRESS on CG ROM
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] true_animal:
ROM installed 3g is still a no go for me. Still a great ROM though.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Send me log cat related to 3g I will take a look.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] true_animal:
View attachment 2012-08-10-19-22-50.txt

Here you go, I'm not sure if it has all the info you need, I had it filtered for errors.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Thanks. Really want to be able to use this. The JB version hasn't solved Netflix so I really don't want to go there.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GoodVibrant-ions:
Few questions.....been watching this ROM for months. I flashed HC on it but honestly hate it. I really want hardware buttons but don't have them working.

Does this ROM have working hw buttons and does pen input work?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Hardware buttons work but are not back lit. I haven't tested my pen yet since I haven't been feeling the need to lately.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Anyone having any luck with the latest RC version? I was having quite a few lag issues.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] j510:
Temporary Fix for UI Only:

A minor fix for user interface, NOT hardware lag within games or apps.. ect..

BTW only applies if you're using Apex launcher. Go to apex settings. Homescreen >minimum scrolling> adjust. Then drawer setting> minimum scrolling>adjust. Mine is currently set to 22 on both. Adjust to your liking.

Edit: For a little more smoother transition appearance, under apex homescreen setting change transition effect to "None"
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
It seems like there is a memory leak somewhere which is causing the slowness which is different than what I originally thought was the issue. This is going to take a little more time.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Yes I noticed a puddle of memory on my floor. I think the o-rings are cracked. :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cfoesch:
There... fixed that for you...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Switching to JB

I believe the memory leak has to do with the last update to AOKP rom source, but trying to find the source of the leak is like finding needles in a haystack....so instead of wasting time on this, I decided to switch to JB instead, hopefully there wouldn't be too much difference that everything that was currently working will still work. Downloading the source now, so hopefully we'll know by the end of the day if this works?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] geek wana-b:
cypherrom is hc and has hardware buttons working
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Compiling now...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
JB huh? Will Netflix work?

** I really miss the screen resolutions that good ole GB used. Somehow my icons all looks smaller and crisper. I know the DI is 160 on all, but just seems like icons size differently.

P.S., The best way to find a needle in a haystack is not to look for it. Just play in the haystack and it's sure to poke you in the eye :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Not sure, the code is quite different. I guess we'll just have to wait to find out.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Weird that a .1 release would be so different.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
How'd it turn out?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
More painful than I imaginged. It seems that in JB they change the file structure a bit in the source so vendor config needs to be change. Also the compilation of new repo takes about 15 hours without any issues, but because the file structure change it would compile for 20 minutes and break. So it's taking a long time to correct all the issues.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Worth it or should we just go with the existing JB rom?

Looks like Netflix on JB is doomed.

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Honestly right now I am just running GB. I think people have forgotten.how well GB runs on this tablet. Browsing is fast, Netflix plays in HD, the notes app works, colors look good.

Browsing may be slightly faster in JB.but is it different enough to give up Netflix or the notes app? No don't think so.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] joytofender:
Worth it

We will patiently wait. I know it will be worht it. Thanks for your hard work.:D
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Its up and running. No video yet.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
So everything works as it did on ICS except video at this point? Is the new version uploaded?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
more or less, I haven't really play with it yet. It's not stable yet.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
Well guys, good luck in here. Looks like I am buying a new Galaxy Note 10.1 today and selling the View to my sis.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] yncconsulting:
Still in the family and knowing sisters, I am sure you're not off the hook yet.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] henningspruth:
Truer words never have been spoken ;)