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[Networking] MattBooth:
I'd like to address a few things here and have a bit of a moan myself.

1. I have "The One Plan" and therefore tethering. I bought this package specifically for that and the AYCE data. My previous Orange SIM was faster than my home broadband so I figured I'd use my phone as a modem to make up for my super slow home broadband and download stuff I need using it. Anyone saying that's unreasonable needs to shut up. Three advertise the functionality.

Secondly, my speed is, quite frankly, ****. A few posts up someone has a 12mbps connection. Wow. Best I get is 2mbps usually and once a blue moon is get maybe 7,for about an hour.

Is TrafficSense still ongoing? Should I complain about my poor speeds? Right now a speed test times out a few times and then eventually gives me a struggling 100kbs down and then immediately jumps to 200kbs up. I have no problem getting a good upload but my download is horrendous :(
[Networking] cirian75:
Dunno

I've not had my crazy fast 7 to 9 mbps for some time now :crying:

max I get is about 4.5mbps :)

still very fast though :)
[Networking] cirian75:
Slightly off topic

anyone here using the galaxy note in WiFi tether mode as their broadband ?
[Networking] jonmorris:
My speeds have fallen (but still too fast to be suffering Traffic Sense) and I've been told part of the problem is when using an Orange site, which wouldn't surprise me given my main phone is on Orange and the reliability of data is terrible.

That and perhaps the fact that Three is increasingly being used heavily for data, given the fact it had built up a decent HSPA+ network that offered speeds in excess of 10Mbps.
[Networking] cirian75:
I'm starting to get that "TrafficSense" feeling again

http://www.pingtest.net/result/68287379.png

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2130659515.png
[Networking] cirian75:
Ive got my reply from ASA

will post as soon as I can get it scanned

jist is

we saw what 3 did

we saw 3 customers complained loudly

3 dropped TS

We talked to 3

unless 3 reintroduced TS matter closed.
[Networking] qaz2453:
Hey I got sim 1000 with all you can eat ... they throttled mine right down to 0.10mbps

My question is, does the speed go back to normal when the next month starts?
[Networking] cirian75:
A month ??? :confused:

TrafficSense is supposed to be off

3 told ASA it is off

when it was on, it was 7 days only 15.00 to 23.59
[Networking] qaz2453:
i have got 2 days until my allowance is renewed ... does this mean the throttling will stop ?

thanks :D
[Networking] cirian75:
you shouldn't be throttled at all

they only things that are throttled are

P2P/Torrents

and using a sim only plan for tethering with out the £10 tethering addon
[Networking] qaz2453:
damn... it was my friend then... he must of downloaded the utorrent app and downloaded a film!

have to wait 2 days now for speed to be restored!

thanks :D
[Networking] mardon85:
What are you talking about?

THREE throttle the speed of torrents not all Internet access if you use torrents.

I downloaded a game off Steam which looks like torrent and I got 1.2mbps and was never throttled. I also used love film and have no problems. As long as three doesn't introduce TS again they are quality!
[Networking] DeveloprEU:
There's definitely some traffic management going on between the hours of 1500 and 0000. I'm getting capped at 70kb/s!
[Networking] jonmorris:
I doubt there's specific traffic management as such (as in TrafficSense) but merely congestion. I get some periods of slow speeds which then reverts to normal shortly after. Annoying (I rarely drop speeds on my home broadband) but sadly inevitable with so much data usage.
[Networking] qaz2453:
my speed is still horrendous, no better than 0.10mbps

unusable!! pissing me off!!!!!!!!:(:(:(

need help!!!!!!!!

@cirian75 - i used your link to watchdog, i filed a complaint as well :)

i have a "Ultimate Internet 1000" plan... not the one plan
[Networking] qaz2453:
Update , my speed seems to be going back to normal !
[Networking] jonmorris:
Until there's evidence to the contrary, I still believe the slow data is down to other issues.

With the network sharing meaning Three users are now able to use former Orange 3G sites (as against T-Mobile ones only on 3G), I've noticed a big drop in download speeds at times (to as little as 0.1Mbps) despite upload speeds remaining high. What I also noticed by doing a speed test on my Orange phone is that Orange also had the drastic drop in download speed in the same locations.

Goodness knows what has happened as Three always had its own data network and back end, or so I thought. However it is too much of a coincidence.
[Networking] otester:
I do ~500GB a month and get 8Mbps solid on a PAYG AYCE sim, tethering and using native Android P2P clients, there may be a difference between that and the contract sim since punishing a PAYG user is almost pointless since they will just leave or switch sim so might explain why I've got away with it for so long (got it as soon as it was released).

If you use a Three phone (with their firmware), then they can track, throttle etc.
[Networking] qaz2453:
Edit: plz delete
[Networking] Unvoicedmercy:
I have my views on this matter, and believe some sort of fair usage cap is still live. Have a look at what i found on the Three one plan contract terms and conditions;

If your smartphone plan includes all you can eat data, then this is for data consumption actually on your smartphone. It does not include using your smartphone as a modem to connect other devices such as laptops and tablets – also known as “Tethering”. Tethering is included in (i) The One Plan; (ii) the One Plan SIM only; or (iii) By purchasing an Ultimate Internet Plan with the Tethering Add on. The add-on can be purchased via My3 on your handset and is also available to customers on our Talk and Text plans.

so really all you can eat data is true, but only if you use youre phone, and not if you use youre phone as a modem or for tethering.

They neglected to enlighten me in the shop about this... Since the sales person told me he uses his phone as wireless network hot spot, and connects his laptop to the phones connection and uses 64gb a month without a problem. I used his words as a guideline and ive used 17gb through tethering over 2 weeks, and recently ive been struggling to play 'League of legends'. That game harldy requires a fast connection, limits of atleast 0.30 mbps download and 0.30 upload, or less but mainly relies on ping.

I've speed tested many times, and sometimes it looks promising then i play a game, and my pings constantly fuctuating up and down. I cant even play properly, youtube video's have stopped loading properly, web pages time out, or take forever to load. I doubt its the connection since my orange phones speed test is higher and it only uses 3G not hspa+.

I'm going to investigate this further before i decide enough is enough and terminate my contract. I've only been with Three 2 or 3 weeks, and my connection over that time was awesome, now its suddenly so bad i can barley do simple tasks. Theres something very fishy about that, I left orange just to waste time with Three and their false promises.
[Networking] otester:
Did you buy the phone from Three? And has it been modified firmware-wise?

Also it seems League of Legends uses regional servers so you will be connecting to a foreign service, further increasing your ping and apparently you may need up to 4.5Mbps for smooth play.
[Networking] cirian75:
mega bad WoW lag

good speed and ping tests
[Networking] otester:
None of those images work.

Edit: Hmm, refreshed and the worked, weird, anyways I'll go tether and power up WoW and post my screenie.
[Networking] cirian75:
How about the attachments at the bottom?
[Networking] cirian75:
did you test your WoW install ?
[Networking] otester:
Sorry, had tethering issues so forgot.

I got 169ms ping although that was only on H not H+ (speed was like 6/7Mbps).
[Networking] cirian75:
So wow was fully playable ?
[Networking] otester:
Yes, although it would have been better if it was H+, my phones been acting weird lately.
[Networking] cirian75:
how about now ? we're well into peak time
[Networking] otester:
Yeh it works fine, I sometimes play FPS's when my DSL is down, works fine anytime.
[Networking] cirian75:
Some element of Traffic Sense at bang on 15.01 is clashing directly with WoW

see the attached pics below.
[Networking] otester:
Could try running it via a UK VPN, I know that works for torrents.
[Networking] cirian75:
It is strange ping and speed test show all is ok post 15.00
[Networking] cirian75:
This beyond a bloody joke !
[Networking] otester:
What phone are you tethering with?
[Networking] cirian75:
Galaxy S3 and iPhone 4s

Results are identical on both phones'

---------- Post added at 03:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:15 PM ----------

There is some new news though

I found out Blizzard (maker of WoW) has moved to a new way of connecting to their game servers

It apparently uses P2P.

So when the part of TrafficSense that only throttles P2P and torrents kicks in (but not speeds any more) in at 15.00 to 00.00

It ruins the connection to the WoW game servers

I would say its 10% Blizzs fault and 90% Three's fault for no adjusting their systems.
[Networking] otester:
Use a VPN.

I don't see why people are complaining, Three is open about how it operates, if people don't like it, don't sign up.
[Networking] cirian75:
They brought all this crap in after Id been on contract with them for 6 months

and 2.5 years on a Three Dongle

playing WoW all that time with zero issues.
[Networking] otester:
I think you can cancel, just use a VPN though for P2P related stuff though, cost about £6 a month.
[Networking] cirian75:
It is pretty crap currently you can't play the most popular online game in the world (10 million players) with 6 times more than the next most popular at peak times on Three UK.
[Networking] cirian75:
36 minutes on the phone to the Three Technical team.

They have passed it to the network team who are supposed to ring me back with in 48hrs.
[Networking] otester:
From what I've read so far the throttling is limited to contract customers, PAYG customers are untouched.
[Networking] cirian75:
You can't use VPN, blizzard are detecting that as its a common ploy used by gold seller and scammers, it gets you account banned.

= screwed

I have had the Three Technical and Network team both lie to me over the phone claiming there is no P2P throttling

How ever the nice chaps over on their twitter @ThreeUKSupport confirm in fact they do.

New news is that Three is not the only ISP having the issues, those people with their screaming fast 100mbps virgin media connections are having similar issues with Virgins P2P blocking.
[Networking] jonmorris:
Doesn't Three use Virgin for its backhaul data network? I wonder if that's part of the problem?
[Networking] otester:
Apparently it's only an issue if you use a VPN a region which is not allowed and you use RMAH via the VPN.

Speeds are VM regardless of P2P are hit and miss, worst areas are urban, lots of users, not enough back-haul, sub -10Mbps speeds on 100Mbps package.

VM covers ~50% of mast sites according to their business website.

VM isn't the issue, Three would be renting a lease line, most probably with an SLA, so it'd be separate from VM's residential customers.

The problem is Three and their poor data management, they don't need such a hard line usage policy.
[Networking] cirian75:
Confirmed!

Blizzards use of P2P in connecting to the servers

Does indeed clash with Three UK's P2P throttling P2P 15.00 to 00.00

‏@ThreeUKSupport

@cirian75 Just had it confirmed that if they choose to use P2P file sharing then you will be traffic managed. You'd need to confirm with

‏@ThreeUKSupport

@cirian75 them what they use but if it is P2P then this is what'll be causing you issues.

Both to blame

1st Blizzard for not talking to the ISP's before rolling out this new method

2nd Three UK for being so harsh on P2P

But mainly Blizzard for being so arrogant
[Networking] otester:
This is entirely Threes fault, not their fault that some ISPs throttle.
[Networking] 3473:
Signed up to the one plan last week, used about 4gb of data so far. During the day at work I get around 3.5mbps which I'm fine with

I get back to my hotel around 6pm. Here, the max transfer rate is 30kb/s. It's pretty much unusable. Moreover it is just down the road from work, so I don't know why the data is so slow? According to my S3, I have HSDPA, and full bars

Moreover if I put the postcode of my hotel CR0 1TS, into here: http://www.three.co.uk/Support/Coverage

It tells me I have Indoor & outdoor coverage.For your Mobile Broadband.

Is there any way I can make my data from three faster? I have tried placing my phone in different areas of the hotel room, but can't get much more than 30kb/s
[Networking] otester:
This is how you get treated if you sign a contract, with PAYG I get full speed all the time, got my highest speed today as well, 13.5Mbps down.
[Networking] 3473:
Interesting. It's a one month rolling contract, so I may switch to payg
[Networking] backfromthestorm:
Well I just bought a payg SIM, added all you can eat, and get 8 to 12 mb at day, after about 5 I get 20kb. Useless. Then after midnight its back to normal. Should just spend all night dl films.
[Networking] swukjay:
Yes trafficsence throttling is definitely active between 3pm and midnight. no matter what 3 tell ofcom they are lying .
[Networking] cirian75:
Well my WoW issue continues.

Three have at least stopped lying about the 15.00 to 00.00 P2P throttle.

Three call centre

Refuse to admit that it is the issue ruining WoW that now uses P2P in its server connection now and it must be Blizzard fault.

@threeUKsupport

Admit the P2P throttle is affecting the game, but can't/won't do owt about it.

It took all my will power not to start swearing at the nice girl on the phone or the twitter team.

There appears to be nothing happening on the WoW battlenet forums to suggest Blizzard is going to revert to the old pre 5.04 system that work so well.

I'm out of ideas :(
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
Agreed, and to make it worse, I see no difference in the Connection IP's from before Mists of Pandaria. I've had to switch to Orange to play.

195.12.244.0/24 is EU Servers (Realms, the game will maintain 2 connections to 2 different IP's. 4 if your in a instance)

213.248.127.0/24 is Battle.net for RealID chat and authentication.

80.239.186.0/24 also appears to be used for authentication. (Run's a HTTP server, possibly used as well for patch information/scheduled downtime alerts at login screen)

Just like 3 months ago, my firewall is showing the same IP ranges and amount of connections. I can't see anything different.

Three know full-well that TrafficSense causes huge latency, the one thing that destroys the ability to play World of Warcraft. Call me paranoid, but this looks intentional. Even if WoW was Peer 2 Peer (Which would not work, no MMO could do this) the fact it uses such a small amount of bandwidth would never justify what Three are doing

It should be Whitelisted from TrafficSense (Traffic Shaping) immediately. Alternatively, I'm sure Blizzard (Did you know they are the richest game company in the world?) will send their brilliant Legal Team in to visit Three to resolve the amount of complaints Blizzard are most likely getting from Three UK Mobile Broadband players. (And One Plan Tethering users)
[Networking] cirian75:
But Blizzard state quite clearly they don't support play over mobile broadband

That's a cop out, I've been playing WoW over three for 3.5 years zero issues

Then there's the LTE roll that will complete this time next year

Shame on both blizzard and three, but mainly three.
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
Mobile Broadband at first used to have huge latency. I believe T-Mobile and o2 still do. Also Mobile Broadband can include 2G connections which have high latency. This is why I believe Blizzard state this. Now aday's we've got 50-60ms Latency on HSPA+ but Blizzard still have to cover every angle on Disclaimers.

The thing that matters here, is nothing is different connection's wise. At least not for me (I have P2P disabled in the downloader)

Is there any official information about the connection method changing from Blizzard?

I wonder, have Three killed Skype with TrafficSense as well? Throttling P2P like Torrents is acceptable in my books during peak time, but causing huge latency on things that require low latency isn't just unacceptable, its disgraceful. So shame on Three.

I still can not figure out why TrafficSense creates such a high amount of latency either, this shouldn't happen with Throttling connections unless they are trying to exceed the amount of bandwidth the throttle is set to.
[Networking] cirian75:
I'll ask about Skype on the Facebook allyoucannibble page
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
Just been playing WoW on Three with only 200ms latency (High, but extremely low compared to what its like with Traffic Sense)

I did not use a VPN

I did use something similar however, but its free for a start. Its a simple solution, just setup IPv6 on your machine. I used GoGo6 as my Tunnel Broker. They are free, and WoW will then connect through the tunnel (Which is like a VPN) once it detects you can use IPv6 on your machine.

Worked Perfectly for WoW, but this option will only work for applications that support IPv6.
[Networking] cirian75:
Omg, pm me a how to

Laymans style

Ps drunk right now

http://www.warringtonrotary.org.uk/content/2012_beers
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
No need for a How-To, very simple, just visit GoGo6, register, download the Freenet6 client and then let it login as Anonymous. Just make sure you've connected to their Amsterdamn End-point and not the USA ones.
[Networking] cirian75:
Does that not run the risk of blizzard blocking your account for using a VPN ?
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
Right now most people can only connect to IPv6 with Tunnel Brokers like GoGo6. So I'd be shocked if Blizzard banned you for using it. I'm sure their team than ban VPN's are fully aware of IPv6 Tunnel Brokers and if they suspected you of anything they'd just block the IPv6 so you connect via IPv4 again via your ISP (The disgraceful Threee)
[Networking] otester:
From what I've heard it's only if you use the auction house with a VPN that you get fudged.
[Networking] cirian75:
I'll give it go tomorrow evening :)

I'm out tonight.
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
Nice, Three have decided to completely TrafficSense me. Just like the Heavy Usage was, page time outs, about 3-4KB/s if I'm lucky, etc.

So I asked someone else's whos on Three (PAYG) to try Speedtest.net on their iPhone. 6Mbps result. On my phone, Speedtest.net can not even do the test! (I've tried my SIM in their phone as well, same effect)

I honestly do not know what to make of this. Contracts up for renewal, could this be a reason for all the hassle I've had in the past month? (Including WoW, TrafficSense being applied on Tethering despite One Plan 24-month contract which Three admitted and fixed)
[Networking] otester:
Just go PAYG...
[Networking] cirian75:
Sounds like post trafficsense debacle new customers are getting throttled

Is this statement accurate ?
[Networking] LoneFlac:
Everything going on in this thread should not be happening. This makes me furious.
[Networking] nrd\:
I just joined 3uk last week to test there ayce, im on 200 Ultimate internet with AYCE add on, so far ive hammered the net, 3 days and 55gb, im on a rolling month contract, so far so good I cant see any slow downs inc 3pm - 12am.

Is it because im on a monthly contract ive not been throttled so far? Im going in to my 2nd week of joining Three.
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
I'm thinking of trying to get media attention now, a likely headline will be "UK ISP Blocks World of Warcraft"

I'm getting no where productive with Three, I've already provided them the IP Ranges they should Whitelist from TrafficSense to solve this issue quickly and easily.

I've ran Wireshark on World of Warcraft, it recongised the standard Battle.net and World of Warcraft protocols. It did however also show a extra connection (Going to Telia) that was TSL Encrypted. I believe this is the Encryption Protocol that Torrents use, as well as some E-Mail Servers and FTP Servers. I encourage anyone else that can to run Wireshark and have a look for themselves, their is no real sign of Peer to Peer or anything that should cause a false positive. Bearing in mind Wireshark is a Packet Inspection Tool that is way beyond what the average ISP can run in Realtime for their TrafficShaping (TrafficSense) policies.

If the TSL connection is flagging as Peer to Peer then Three have done a very brute force method of throttling Encrypted Torrents and caused problems for every services that use this encryption protocol.

Here's the latest from the Social Media Team

Here's the 91 pages of complaints most all from people on Three UK on the World of Warcraft Forum

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5207772710?page=91

I can start firing off e-mails to the media, hoping they'll bite and write about this. Do people here agree this is now a appropriate course of action?
[Networking] otester:
Doubt Three will do anything, I have little sympathy either, the T&C is pretty clear.
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
As it stands, The T&C allows World of Warcraft, the only exception is the Installer/Patcher (Seperate program from the game obviously) that can if you enable the option use Torrents to speed up download.

Here's a image from Wireshark, showing the TSL negotiation.

And Here's my List of E-mail Addresses to contact the Media

news@sky.com, yourpics@bbc.co.uk, news@bbc.co.uk, letters@guardian.co.uk, letters@observer.co.uk, national@guardian.co.uk, tech@guardian.co.uk, news@observer.co.uk, editorial@dailymailonline.co.uk, Danny.Wheeler@dailymailonline.co.uk, news@dailymail.co.uk, dtletters@telegraph.co.uk, dtnews@telegraph.co.uk, stnews@telegraph.co.uk, mirrornews@mirror.co.uk, picturedesk@mirror.co.uk, newseditor@independent.co.uk, features@independent.co.uk, m.king@independent.co.uk, talkback@the-sun.co.uk, pictures@the-sun.co.uk

And Here's a Image Showing How Bad the Latency Is

NOTE: Latency gets worse than indicated in this image, it is random but never below 3 seconds (3000ms), I've had upwards of 10 seconds.
[Networking] cirian75:
Go for it

the "UK ISP Blocks World of Warcraft" title is correct

what other legit things does the TSL connection use?
[Networking] otester:
Just read their Traffic Sense "fact document", it's description of Traffic Sense is pretty vague.

Also with all the reviews on Three, going contract could be considered suicide.
[Networking] jonmorris:
I've been doing speed tests today and getting speeds of 18-21 megabits. No evidence of throttling for me!

Slowest speeds were 2-3Mbps, with upload speeds ranging from 1.5-3Mbps, and sub 50ms ping times.
[Networking] HarrowingLife:
A lot which makes it easy to find out if thats what Three are using to decide to TrafficSense something.

SMTP (Sending e-mail), IMAP and POP3 if you select TSL instead of SSL, FTP sites, SIP (VoIP) are but a few. Of these SIP is the one that will reveal high latency. The others problem perform fine under TrafficSense as to my understanding a fair amount of Bandwidth is still available.

Its extremely vague in my opinion, I expect to be informed exactly on how the Throttling System works, what it aims for, and what the end result should be.

It does however specifically say this, which proves World of Warcraft shouldn't be TrafficSense'd Link to TrafficSense Facts Document

World of Warcraft is time critical, you can't play at all with TrafficSense affecting it, because it requires low latency (300ms is about the upper limit I'm comfortable with when playing)

They are no longer specifying a speed that traffic will be slowed down by, it used to be 100Kbps which is plenty for World of Warcraft. I use about 2KB/s on average.

Some little information, they do specify they are not slowing down VoIP/SIP so Skype must be Whitelisted in their eyes. Its a shame they haven't Prioritised Video Streaming.
[Networking] cirian75:
just did wireshark

zero P2P activity, nana, zero, zilch