yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
For whatever reason when I go to recoveries, in TWRP looking at the external SD card, it never loads and is always blank. However, it functions fine when looking at the internal sdcard. In addition, when I go to install within TWARP, I can see both the internal and external sd cards just fine. The problem only exist when I'm in recovery trying to look at my external sd card. Does anyone have any suggestions. I recently upgraded my HTC EVO LTE to TWRP 2.2.2.0 hoping it would fix my problem, however, no such luck. I've also when to settings and when to reset all defaults with no luck. Any other suggestions?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Don't choose ext-sd but sdcard2. You should be able to see them there.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
No, if I selected Recovery in TWRP then select "Use external SD" nothing comes up on the list. The list is completely blank, there are no folders to select or anything. However, if I click "Use internal storage" all my internal recoveries are right there. In addition, if I click on Install from the main screen of TWARP, I can click on "Use internal storage" and "Use external SD" and they both bring up all the folders no problem for both methods. Let me know if anyone has any ideas? Thanks.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] EVOuser94:
Hmmm maybe mount your external and then try again??
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
I've tried that. Like I said, the phone has no problem seeing the external from the "Install" window, only from the recovery window. So I'm not sure what is going on.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Exiled44:
I'm having the same problem while trying to install this recovery from in app.

Kept trying to do it & it finally installed the recov. I got it installed, it looks & works great. I love it. I just flashed the twinturbo rom for the Evo 4G witch i couldn't flash without getting caught in a bootloop on 4 different recoveries. About time i finally have a recovery that will flash this rom. Thank you.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] pbedard:
I have problems after using a superwipe when I do a restore it says no os installed after restoration completes
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
The superwipe scripts are notorious for not always working like they should. It's best just to do it yourself. Not to bash the maker but just my opinion and observation.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JerryGNYC:
Make sure the checkbox for "system" is in fact, checked...

---------- Post added at 08:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:20 AM ----------

+1

Hi, fredgar!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kellybrf:
so ive got a strange problem. just d/l cm 10/10 and went to do a clean install. i rebooted into twrp and did a backup which took like 5s, i knew that shouldnt be right so i did another one and same result. i had just backed up yesterday, so i didnt really care and went ahead and flashed the rom. factory reset thru twrp, flashed superwipe, flashed rom and gapps (same process ive used 100 times before.) rebooted and nothing happened, i was still on 10/8 with all my data. tried it all again, same result. i was using 2.2.0, so i upgraded to 2.3.0 and just tried to do a dirty flash over my current rom and still nothing took. i noticed that when a file went to flash it said "simulating actions" where it would normally be walking through all of the steps of the flash or backup. any thoughts?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
2 posts above yours. Try it without the superwipe script. I know it shouldn't make a difference. You might want to backup all your data from your card and reformat that aswell.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kellybrf:
after i installed 2.3.0 i did a dirty flash and still nothing took
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
You did a full wipe? Both cache's, data, and system the first time that is.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kellybrf:
the fist time i did a twrp factory reset, like i always have done. same with the second time, both with v2.2.0. when that didnt work i checked for an update, installed v2.3.0 and simply tried a dirty flash to see if it would take. it did not. like i said the "backup" only took a few seconds as well (and there was no actual file saved.) the issue is not just with flashing roms; twrp cant backup, wipe or write data.

literally yesterday everything was working fine, and i made no changes to the phone from when i did a backup yesterday until i went into recovery again today.

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something i just noticed. when in recovery, at the top under the twrp banner and version number, the second line reads "simulating actions"
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Look in the advanced settings in TWRP. Make sure 'simulate actions' isn't checked. I'd go into recovery right now to check exact name and location, but my battery is almost dead and I Dont like going into recovery with dying battery, sorry.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kellybrf:
there it is. i looked for something like that but i was looking in advanced, not settings (because im retarded and didnt see settings, haha.) i have no idea how that got checked since i didnt even realize there was a settings menu, but the setting even survived me installing cwm then reinstalling twrp.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Well, what happens if you just uncheck it? It won't uncheck?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] teamrealtree:
Installed 2.3 via goo manager. Nothing will work now except restores. Says that the file fails as soon as it starts. How can I get back to 2.2.2 ? I'm s-on hboot 2.12.0000. Ive never used adb or fastboot.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
2.3 is broke. Just reporting what I'm reading, and.bumping.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] wwjoshdew:
A factory reset failed for me, so I "thunk" outside the box... I ran the superwipe thing, which did the trick. THEN I flashed the latest CM10 nightly, and that worked fine. I had been on MeanROM ICS before doing that. Yes it's broken ATM, but you can do some things.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kellybrf:
It let me uncheck. All is fine now
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
What HBOOT are you?

And where is this 2.3? Has the thread just not been update yet?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Looks like it was released yesterday http://teamw.in/project/twrp2

I haven't updated yet but was going to send the guys a question (somewhat of a request) to see about adding some sort of one click "Superwipe" replacement for teh scripts we have been so accustomed to using. (*or manually doing it in the recovery)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] teamrealtree:
2.12.0000

I updated it through goo manager.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Um, there is no HBOOT 2.12 for the EVO, as far as I know.

I only know of 1.12, 1.15 & 1.19. Where did this 2.12 come from?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Thread updates are coming today (hopefully) - it's becoming increasingly difficult to maintain so many threads. But yes 2.3 went live last night. For anyone having issues please post a recovery log - 'adb pull /tmp/recovery.log'

You can find previous builds here: http://techerrata.com/browse/twrp2/jewel and just fastboot flash them.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] teamrealtree:
Wow I even typed it twice haha 1.12 I mean my mistake
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
Are current skins compatible with the new version? Or will they have to be modified?

Is there a list of new features on the TWRP site?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] MassStash:
1) Idk. 2) yea, a lot of code C++ rework for future proofing

~Viper4G 2.0.2 LTEvo; Stuck on Stock for now, phone doesn't like any of 'em yet
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] teamrealtree:
Delete
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Captain_Throwback:
I was using Rydah's HTC skin (Red), and it looks like it'll need to be updated. The "Reload Theme" and "ADB Sideload" buttons were missing in the theme. Not sure if the same will apply for any other themes, but probably so.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
sweet!! thanks eyeballer :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
TWRP themers!

there's 2 new images, ui.xml is a LOT changed, and fonts changed.

when in recovery do:

adb pull /res/fonts

adb pull /res/images

adb pull /res/ui.xml

:D

updated my "faded sense" theme ready for DL >>> HERE

@ teamwin thank you yet again!

and please, for the love of screenshots and other valuable tools, fix ddms in recovery.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Anyone try a Factory reset wipe yet and get a "Failed" message? It fails on the .android_secure wipe and says, E: Unable to wipe '/sd-ext'. Using rm -rf on .android_secure.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] phillymade:
Just updated to twrp 2.3, and it gives me a failed message when performing a back up
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Please see my post a page or so back about pulling a recovery log. It's basically useless to post a problem without it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mrrogers1:
Will post up. I was asking a question though, thought I might be on my own but I hear ya.

Thanks man, will add a log later.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Mystery drop of 2.3.0.1 :)

I assume bug fixes?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] officiallytook:
Always best to wait a few huh...lol

Sent From a Super E4GLE

latest everything...waiting on an awesome 2.3l and we're talking purple on a Red Xparent TapaTalk
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] MassStash:
And wait we will...

~Viper4G 2.0.2 LTEvo; Stuck on Stock for now, phone doesn't like any of 'em yet
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Bunch of wimps =P

The .1 solves an issue where some people's external sdcard wasn't mounting correctly - it didn't affect everyone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
OP updated for 2.3.0.1
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
I flashed it before I posted :p

2.3.0....0?

/troll
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Haha yes, 2.3.0.1 - that's what I get for trying to update 7-8 threads in one shot :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] P.Mobile:
good stuff!! thanks boss.. that was fast :good:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rydah:
still mounting sdcard instead of sdcard2 for me. :(
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Cool...

Log?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Hopefully it can be explained what exactly the issue was.

I flashed a kernel *from* sd2 and was successful, I've copied the recovery log and can post if needed.

@rydah after failed session copy log and post it here.

@team win, can you elaborate for us n00bs? :D

Edit here's my log, not sure if there's anything of value but take a look? There's some error things...

http://db.tt/Z7dTF43E
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
I've posted about this before, but haven't gotten a response. When I boot up in recovery, and click restore and choose external sd card I nothing comes up, no folders to click or anything to view. However, if I choose internal sd card everything works fine and I see my restore files located there. In addition, if I choose install from the main window, I can view the files on both my internal and external sd card fine with no problems. Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions. I also attached the log file to this message in hopes that might help. Let me know if you need any other information.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Well if your backups are located on your internal sd then that's where you restore from? It sounds like you don't have any backups on your external sdcard.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
Oh, no, I have several back ups located on my external sd card, this is actually where I had them all and I had to make copies of them in order to transfer them to my internal sd card in order to restore from them as a work around for this problem.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Does this folder exist?

I:Unable to open '/sdcard2/TWRP/BACKUPS/HT27KS400593'
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
Here is the file path that I have for my restore folders.

/sdcard/ext_sd/TWRP/BACKUPS/HT24YS401886/
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Dees_Troy:
Android mounts devices on different paths than TWRP, so your external sdcard might be mounted to /sdcard/ext_sd in Android. In TWRP we always mount it to /sdcard2... Anyway, that's besides the point, your problem is that you changed devices recently and the serial number of your new device doesn't match your old device.

HT27KS400593 != HT24YS401886

You are welcome to rename the old folder if you like and attempt restoring your old backups, however, your milage may vary. Some users report no problems restoring backups from different devices, but when I did it once on an EVO 3D, I suffered from daily random reboots and other weirdness.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] misfit0313:
http://db.tt/8WBrlcAk

Recovery log, failed to wipe cache after flashing kernel. After recovery reboot caches wiped fine.

Sentfrom my EVO using xda premium
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] NoClemency:
Okay, thanks I will give that a try a let you know shortly if that works. As for the back ups, they are all HTC EVO LTE back ups, yes from a different phone, but it was also an HTC EVO LTE phone. The backups have been working fine without any problems for me, I simply could never see them on my external sd card.

Just tried it and it worked. Thanks for all your help.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
My log had the error message about inaccessible sd2, same issues as posted above.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] chessmyantidrug:
I tried flashing Stock with Goodies 2.15 last night and I kept getting error status 7.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SteelH:
Rolling back to 2.2..... The sdcard/sdcard2 handling is too funky in 2.3
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Can someone test: http://techerrata.com/file/eyeballer/twrp/openrecovery-twrp-2.3.0.2-jewel.img
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Put into pj zip, went to flash, apparently I'm low on battery. Bootloader said "battery to low, please change a battery"... Lol sure lemme just grab my spare bat... Oh yeah...

Anyway, anyone who has a charge, here's the zip, bootloader flash s-off only.

http://db.tt/q4kmLk7T

I'll try again in the morning if nobody reports back.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
Damn you....I guess I will give it a go in a few min:D. If you're going to be a bear, you might as well be a grizzly. Isn't a TWRP2.3.0.2.img possible to flash with Flash Image GUI? Edit...derp ....2 posts above. Which should I try first the Flash Image GUI route or bootloader flash?

Sent from my EVO using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
I would think so.

May just try it. :)

I am so off but I dig the tool anyway. :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
Eyeballer's post has the. .img version. You try one, I will try the other. Which do you want to try?

Sent from my EVO using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
Doesn't matter to me brother.

Downloading both as I type. :)

You tell me.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] MassStash:
I used the .IMG n made my own zip, bootloader flashed and things seem fine. Fix permissions is no lie like 2-3 seconds now haha friggin nuts. Was just backup not working? Think someone said something else but I must be looking over it now. Going to try a backup now

~Viper4G 2.0.2 LTEvo; Stuck on Stock for now, phone doesn't like any of 'em yet
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
I copied eyeballer's to sdcard/download and used Flash Image GUI. It was done in 10 seconds. Let me test some stuff..edit..and yes fix permissions was like 2-3 seconds. Testing backup/restore myself

Sent from my HTC One X using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
I will flash duce's zip then. :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
Named and backed up current ROM with no issues. Then I restored a backup from old TWRP...wow! Finished in 36 seconds! Now to get into the new goodies but so far everything working great! Flashed zip from internal and external SD And no issues. As,of now, its issue free...

Sent from my HTC One X using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jbermi:
How about mounting and flashing?

Sent from my EVO LTE under your mom's bed.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
You beat my edit. Flashed from internal and external SD and it worked great. About to test the mount and such but have to use old laptop. Have S3 ROM in the middle of download (takes 4 hours) so I don't want that to accidentally stop but that's next

Sent from my HTC One X using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
I don't believe it! Mounted so fast in recovery! I was shocked! Posting pics because, well, they don't lie. Love the delete and rename backup option! I always thought that would be useful. Sense ROM restored in 98 seconds. The 36 second one was a CM10 so much smaller.

Sent from my HTC One X using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
Made backup, did full wipe, restored nand and fixed perms ( which took like two seconds) not sure if it worked or not as I didn't need perms fixed. Lol

So far it is looking good.

Will test more as well.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
Did your full wipe include a factory reset? I forgot to check that. Did system, cache, dalvik

Sent from my HTC One X using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Thanks guys, for testing. I'm S-off, but really not sure about greeting out of having a borked recovery, so I way appreciate what you guys are doing.

I'll probably run the pj75 hboot version tomorrow. Sounds like all is good.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
Yes.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JohnCorleone:
Yeah, it feels solid. I already used the delete and rename features in nandroid restore. I flashed Kush's irc build of CM10, made a quick nand of that, restored my Sense setup.

Sent from my HTC One X using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] MassStash:
Alllll good over here too

~Viper4G 2.0.2 LTEvo; Stuck on Stock for now, phone doesn't like any of 'em yet
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Lololololol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] miguelfp1:
I'm testing the 2.3.0.2 img Eyeballer posted, everything seems to be working except I simply cannot mount the external SD card for USB use, having it selected mounts the internal one instead.

anything specific I should be looking for in the logs to help?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
ok running 2.3.0.2, flashed same kernel (flashed ok)

but still same errors listed in recovery log...

oddly even though it said it can't access in the log, I *can* see/access my backups in that listed directory.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Here's that log ^

http://db.tt/Z7dTF43E
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Looks fine to me. Is the sdcard issue fixed? Can see both internal/external sd?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Yeah it's all working properly, and according to the recent posts seems a few folks are all good. I was only posting due to the line in the log where it said it couldn't access my twrp backups folder on sd2 (even though it actually could).

Good work :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] miguelfp1:
I can see it on the phone, install zips, backup and restore fine, but cannot mount the external one over USB, it only mounts internal SD, regardless of which one is selected.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Do you have usb debugging turned on? And fastboot checked in power settings.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] corcgaigh:
Thanks. i made backup of viper and it shows up in the restore folder just the first backup i made of the stock rom rooted isn't there. Hope i can move it to that recovery folder jut to have it
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Yes you should be able to. But I would have done a noncompressed backup first just to make sure its not corrupted. But it is too late now.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Tazmandeux:
Yes I do.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Try putting the files you are using in the same folder as the android sdk. Thats how i got it to work. And you did unzip them correct? Sorry if the questions sound stupid but just covering the bases. Also unplug and replug the usb.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Tazmandeux:
Thanks Fredgar - I installed Sync after previously loading just the drivers for the root process. Did the trick. Got unlocked. Now on to TWRP.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Awesome glad you got it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Vancer:
Don't you have to have fast boot UNchecked ? ... Or do I have that bass akwards ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
Not if hes trying to flash in fastboot.

Edit: not flash but get the identifier token from fastboot. Sorry had to clarify that.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] smw6180:
You need to have /settings/power/fast boot turned off.

That has nothing to do with fastboot flash etc etc...that simply means that it puts the phone into hibernation rather than shutting it down so that it boots faster.

A lot of people will have problems getting into recovery/hboot/fastboot if fast boot is turned on from the power menu. This is why it's recommended to turn it off.

Please note: The fastboot related to flashing img's and such is called 'fastboot' (all one word).

The power setting is called 'fast boot' (two words).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fredgar75:
I do apologize then. I was mistaken. Terribly sorry for that!:o
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] smw6180:
Easy mistake to make, don't sweat it. :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jspsuperman:
just making sure, but if I flashed cwm and then flashed twrp, will that fix the misc folder? I did the check in vipers rom thread and it said there was a problem :( Im confused if all is well again?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] smw6180:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26663638&postcount=45

Follow those instructions to check if your misc partition is messed up, then either flash the zip, or extract the viperROM directory from the rom zip file and follow the instructions to fix it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Spyderekz:
can you post the file to fix? downloading 570mb to fix this issue seems like a bit much. thanks!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jspsuperman:
Ok dont mean to be a pain but where do we put the file at once weve downloaded it?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Spyderekz:
to you can put it where ever you want. i put it on the SD card and took out the /viperRom part out of the command. make sure its the PHONE sdcard not the external Sdcard..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] thecubed:
Just posted a fix for ADB in recovery here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=26702109#post26702109

This will not fix usb storage mounting in recovery though, that needs a recompile of TWRP to fix.

Hopefully this helps someone :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fachadick:
Whenever I reboot with this, I get a message once the phone is rebooted that says "Error report - send system report to HTC". Is that supposed to happen?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Spyderekz:
not sure why it does that, but its actually normal. although you might check the /misc partition make sure it isnt corrupted.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] reverepats:
So i updated to 2.3.0.1 from Goo Mnaager.....SHould i be using the 2.3.0.2 that was posting a few pages back? havent kept up with what has been going on, so im j/c

Things got messed up for me as well after the initial update
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Yes, use the latest.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fgr:
Same problem here using 2.3.0.2.

If I choose internal, internal shows up (HTC STORAGE). Unmount, switch to external and mount, HTC STORAGE shows up again.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Restore defaults in settings.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rydah:
didn't work. im having the same issue as well.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eyeballer:
Need a log then..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] il Duce:
Y U ppl no post logs!

Everyone going back to 2220... So much fail.

This new recovery is downright amazing. Fixed permissions in like 3 seconds, no joke. It boots faster (between hboot/recovery/time to bootani).

You can frigging adb push a rom! Or an update zip, or a theme, or whatever!

Please can we all try helping out team win to work out the kinks? Rather than freaking out and reverting?

/end rant.

@teamwin I've got some rom stuff that needs done, and if nobody else helps out, I'll hop in #twrp in a couple hours. Anyone gonna be around? Thanks again, seriously these new features and enhancements are awesome!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rootlinux:
Agree with that.

Test this stuff out and post what is going on to help make this better for everyone.

The more users helping the better this stuff gets.