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[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Imo, Sense 4 is much prettier and much better organized than 3.0 or 3.5. Thank heaven's for ROMs being flashable. Though I saw a Sense 3.6 to Sense 4 comparison and it wasn't TOO different between the two.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45134/htc-sense-3-6-vs-sense-4
[Desire HD General] istux:
Me too!

Anyway this waiting is killing me softly :D
[Desire HD General] P00t:
I have a question.

When sense 3.6 + Android 4.0 is released for the dhd, is it possible to port sense 4 with every function working??

Sent from my Inspire 4G
[Desire HD General] [secret]:
yes, pretty sure about that.
[Desire HD General] wtr_dhd:
Kinda ridiculous though, almost 1 year after ICS comes out HTC bothers to (and we're not even sure) update their "top" devices.
[Desire HD General] t0mas_:
well that and the new version of m10 :)
[Desire HD General] callmemycool:
Great gift for my birthday :D! I hope the update will arrive on time.
[Desire HD General] gkillerx:
Dude you need to learn coding. After you did then then reply again here since then you will know how hard it is to do it. please be grateful that HTC is updating this "old" device (yes it's almost already 2 years old!)
[Desire HD General] wtr_dhd:
That's no excuse at all, they are well enough paid for it. Apple does it, and the developping teams for the Google phones do it too. If you paid a 500 €/$ phone rarely one year ago you expect at least that the coming 2 years or so you get the latest updates asap.

If you replaced your words "HTC" by XDA developping community, I would agree a 100% because those boys are doing it in their spare time, which I respect a lot, and will gladly donate to a dev if I like the rom he made for us(imho that's only fair). But big companies keeping their customers up to date with the newest software for their device is a right, not a privilige.
[Desire HD General] bosas200:
I have a idea! If the Google Nexus S will get Android 4.1 maybe we will get it officially too?:confused:
[Desire HD General] chrisund123:
Why? Different manufacturer, different hardware. May as well be chalk and cheese lol.
[Desire HD General] olyloh6696:
Wow, Jellybean is here, and still HTC haven't even rolled out ICS for their services.
[Desire HD General] lay012:
We may get an unofficial port, but no chance for an official release.
[Desire HD General] bosas200:
Why no chance? I dont know why.. but when they said that JB will be available for nexus s i thought that we will get it too..
[Desire HD General] DeXTeRrR:
27 July 2012: Further Explanation about HTC Desire HD Update

We’ve heard your feedback on our decision not to update the HTC Desire HD to Android 4.0. We completely understand that this is a controversial decision.

For more background, due to how storage on the HTC Desire HD is partitioned – and the larger size of Android 4.0 – it would require re-partitioning device storage and overwriting user data in order to install this update. While technically advanced users might find this solution acceptable, the majority of customers would not. We also considered ways to reduce the overall size of the software package, but this would impact features and functionality that customers are currently using. Even after installing the update, there were other technical limitations which we felt negatively impacted the user experience.

We believe an update should always improve the user experience and carefully evaluate each update based on this criteria. While we are very aware of the disappointment from this decision, we believe the impact to user experience was too great. We recognize this is a change from our previous statement and for that we’re truly sorry.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
link ,http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/
[Desire HD General] MohamedYousri:
HTC Straight Talk: Why No ICS For Desire HD | Pocketnow - http://goo.gl/nn67I
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
Then leak something and let the "advanced users" do their thing.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
They finally manned up. But they forget we advanced users still would like the update/kernel/drivers/whatever to be able to fix what they couldn't. After that, they are free to look at our source and make the necessary changes as to provide that user experience they say they could not achieve.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] zelendel:
Well the advanced users are not their target base and to be honest nothing we could do will help them with Sense. It is more they will have to make the update full wipe and average users don't want to have to do that

sent from the Batcave
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Why not? Just curious. Besides the obvious of sense vs. Aosp.

I meant that the release could be done over htcdev, as for it to be optional, and them then deciding what to do.

Awaiting to be enlightened :p

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] bondocel:
First of all i think htc didn't work on ics update for dhd, because there was no leak, no wip kernel, nada, they only analised the update parameters in theoretical manner. We should carry on with the pettition, emails and bad publicity in hope that they will eventualy give the devs of xda a source code or kernel or a stripped android 4, but it will take patience and perseverence. Imo the best alternative to these money hungry corporations is for xda ( the comunity) to make their own device, a smartphone with good specs and powered by google's android os as base and with xda's devs, a huge collection of roms to choose from. Belive me with an unlocked bootloader rooted by stock there will be a very small number of bricked devices. I've seen stupid people bricking phones on stock firmware whilst the " advanced android users" with rooted phones have these devices for years squezing the performance from them. I would buy one of these devices no matter the price. But this is only my sweet dream...
[Desire HD General] kaleun:
I guess the culprit is that user data will be overwritten. For the non xda user that would be an disaster.
[Desire HD General] ROBINGAZI:
A small install script could have just moved the user data to the sdcard and restored it after upgrade. HTC just didnt want to put in the effort.
[Desire HD General] XDA_h3n:
What? User data is all-ready removed in updating (RUU, Custom Roms, not sure about OTA). This is just an excuse for not even coding ics Rom on our phone.
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
Another stupid response.
[Desire HD General] golf12:
So how big is this (nonexistent)update supposed to be 1.1gb? Even my hero has working ics without sense about 120mb I know u can't compare but even with sense I've only found about 100mb difference gb and ics for the dhd. HTC quietly ridiculous.
[Desire HD General] marsdta:
That's exactly the point. Otas don't touch user data. So for the average user it is a big deal. Personally I wouldn't care if it erased my data but let's say people like you mom,dad, less tech people having apps settings etc be deleted would be an issue.

Like others have said making it an ruu, would eliminate this as those with more knowledge would download and run it. I doubt my mom would accidently go to HTC dev and run the ruu.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Lol..... priceless.

Edit: I wonder how many average users read their blog, or even care for an update? They should care more about what we think since we are the ones reporting our experiences in forums, articles, websites and such. And from there the average user makes their decision, isn't it that the way it works?

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] XL3N7:
I was hoping for a cm phone but the way things are with litigations and intellectual properties it's impossible for someone with less than 100 billion in the bank to enter the smartphone market. These are shark infested waters. No small fish are allowed near them.
[Desire HD General] stiflingcobra:
Well Vodafone did test it so they have produced a build of ICS in one form or another. Which means they have a kernel they could release if they wanted to...
[Desire HD General] joebrit:
Exactly. If the main issue was user data, they could release a working kernel and libraries right now and let the xda devs smooth out the other "technical difficulties" if they even exist.
[Desire HD General] Penecho:
They should release what they have a s download... not as OTA, but for download for the "experienced" users...
[Desire HD General] acamarin:
I agree, I think also HTC desire's latest Rom is just RUU, not available as OTA, so that "inexperienced" users can't delete all their data with update.

Maybe I am paranoid, but not getting a leak for the Rom that ain't gonna be published officially, and all other that would got their leaks makes me think that its HTC the one making the leaks so they could test the roms using xda community, not some rogue employee of operator or good hearted HTC developer... Or I was naive before... :)
[Desire HD General] olyloh6696:
The strange thing is that the DHD has even more ROM suitable than the DS or IS.
[Desire HD General] XL3N7:
I'm a bit sceptical about their excuse as well. How can 550Mb of system partition not be enough. How big is the system partition of the other devices?
[Desire HD General] Ruthlesspookie:
Aww dude that sucks :(
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
EVERYONE

Please comment and add petition links here so world can see

www.engadget.com/2012/07/28/htc-explains-decision-to-skip-android-4-0-for-desire-hd/

Please also like good comments so they can be near the top
[Desire HD General] Enterprise-D:
Seriously, they could find a better explanation:eek:

They are just lying...I prefer that they tell us that there are marketing reasons than lying.

They are afraid that we lose some data...Wow, what a reason for not updating our DHD!

So, HTC, why Incredible S has the ICS update? Maybe you are going to say that incredible user have less family photos than us?:D
[Desire HD General] d3sperad0:
So far I've been running v2.4 of this [ROM][07-11-2012] UNOFFICIAL Cyanogenmod 9|ICS 4.0.4|HTC Ace] for a few days now and I'm not having any issues. It's not perfect, but it's better than no ICS imho. At the end of the thread the dev is asking for some help, so if anyone is capable speak up!
[Desire HD General] saad_81:
No, that's not the case. Sony xperia arc s came with gingerbread and no front facing camera and it has received an ics update although Sony is saying it won't get jelly bean.
[Desire HD General] doliver911:
Was just browsing through Engadget and was really surprised to see the DHD article as most commented, keep up the exposure guys.
[Desire HD General] olyloh6696:
Why are you posting this here?! What relevance does it have to the ICS update?

Personally, I'm hoping they do the desire stunt and give it via RUU, because either way you will have to lose data to use the RUU.

All they need is huge backlash them. Keep spamming them.

I don't own a DHD, but I want you guys to get the update so that DS users benefit as you have good devs making ICS ROMs.

In reality. All you need is the kernel 3 source. From there if you want to use Sense 3.6, use IS or DS port.
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
Can't tell if sarcasm or not :confused:
[Desire HD General] Hunt3r.j2:
HTC has no excuse if they've gotten far enough to be able to send it to carriers. They should just release the RUU and source, and let the people who are willing to S-OFF to get the ICS update.
[Desire HD General] scaryshark:
Well, this is interesting. HTC said that phones with less than 250mb of ROM won't get the update. Which is quite reasonable and so they listed phones such as Wildfire and Chacha as incompatible.

Then why did they just drop the Android 4.0 source code for the Chacha!

edit:

i guess i spoke too soon! Looking at the download its called:

chacha-gb-mr-2.6.35-blahblah.zip

I take it the gb bit means gingerbread and it's just labelled wrongly as ICS. :D

Keep calm and carry on hating HTC!
[Desire HD General] doliver911:
Surely it's simply a ploy to encourage DHD users to upgrade to a new model, thus more money for HTC? I'm sure most users would stick with their DHD's for atleast a few months longer (I would) if they were upgraded to 4.0.
[Desire HD General] Hunt3r.j2:
I'm not really concerned by this point though, I figure as soon as one of it's stablemates (Incredible S, Desire S), gets kernel source, we will get fully working ICS ROMs, and with a little more effort, fully working JB AOSP ROMs.
[Desire HD General] d3sperad0:
Well this is the Android 4.0 ICS Discussion and the I was discussing the fact that I find this RlICS ROM fairly stable and functional for a pre release build and I wanted to share that experience. I've signed the petition and am choked as the next guy but I'm not sure what you are implying with your question...
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
HI DEAR ,

this is the answer :

i got it 2h ago .

Dear amir,

Thank you for your reply.

I ran your serial number in our data base and I see that the device came from United Arab Emirates. This being said Amir, you should be receiving the ICS update. I don't have an actual date for the release, but keep an eye on our websites and your device will get a notification when the update is released.

I do apologize for all the misunderstanding and you have a great weekend!!

Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.

To send a reply to this message, please click here.

Sincerely,

Barbara

HTC

they say only in the north america ics not released !!
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
no man !

i think that can used in the ics rom cause in the search of v. 2.3

there are many kernel and named gb .

then whats that v.4 ?
[Desire HD General] scaryshark:
2.3 is gingerbread, it goes

1.6 Donut

2.0 eclair

2.1 froyo

2.3 gingerbread

3.x honeycomb

4.0 ice cream sandwich

4.1 jellybean

(I nay of got the numbering of Donut and eclair wrong, but but you get the point!)
[Desire HD General] hendrixus:
The reason not getting ICS for the DHD is meanwhile explained.

http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/#update6
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
We already know. Because we actually. Read before we post
[Desire HD General] val4o88:
I'm trying to post on the blog - htc but........Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here. :laugh:
[Desire HD General] GimliDk:
So it is better to set a other non HTC phone up from scratch then reinstall DHD!!
[Desire HD General] shithead:
Almost right haha :P

People who wants to see the correct versions list:

1.0 Android

1.5 Cupcake

1.6 Donut

2.0 / 2.1 Eclair

2.2 Froyo

2.3 Gingerbread

3.0 Honeycomb

4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich

4.1 Jelly Bean

Back on topic:

Weird that HTC will release ICS for Arabic DHD's :-/
[Desire HD General] mushtafa:
I know we are off topic, but what was between android and cupcake? Seems weird to miss the 'B' out :)
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
the first version was "Alpha"

the second "Beta"

then "Cupcake" ecc.

;)
[Desire HD General] hendrixus:
Really? Well I am not gonna go thru 160+ pages to find just one message which isn't very important.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
Ya if you bothered. To Look at the post before yours
[Desire HD General] zelendel:
So you say your not gonna follow XDA rules?:eek:

sent from the Batcave
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Do you have any idea how long it will take to read 160 pages? I usually read the 10 last pages. Besides that is what the search funktion is for, so you don't have to go trought a lot of pages.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
Move on dude ,you don't have to nagg ,obey the rules, that's it
[Desire HD General] judodave:
good luck man!
[Desire HD General] ljnecesito:
Htc dont care about their costumers. They dont listen better buy android from motorola or samsung.
[Desire HD General] estremodesign:
Htc Turkey :(

https://www.facebook.com/htctr/posts/369377033130853
[Desire HD General] Raistlin1158:
DESCRIPTION of the HTC Desire HD model for Android 4.0 software update take all feedback about our last Studio and I understand completely that this kararımızın discussed. To give you more information about the reasons behind this decision, if necessary; HTC Desire HD's have a partitioned memory and higher dimensions of Android 4.0 update to install due to the device's memory needs to be overwritten repartitioning and personal. Technically advanced users for this solution is not acceptable to the vast majority, although such. Reducing the size of the software package as a way for the second solution, but in this case, the değerlendirdik also currently our users is using would be inevitable exploitation of properties and functions. Although the update will affect negatively the user experience even we believe other technical restrictions arise. We believe you should always update the software user experience optimization and always updates according to this criterion. We are aware of this, but we were spared of the imagination born of kararımızdan update, surely the user experience much more effect, we have taken this decision to believe. This change means a change previously issued update calendar to do this and are aware of the coming releases really very sorry. (Translated by Bing)
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
do guys live under a ROCK , this information has been out for almost a week ,the reason you posted this ,is you dont read ,SO NEXT TIME READ BEFORE YOU POST OR AT LEAST READ THE POST BEFORE YOURS
[Desire HD General] matt_tang:
I guess you will have the same situation when you switch. I admit that I'm disappointed but I guess it normal that they ditch older phones. I still hope they'll drop the kernel on HTC Dev site
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Sometimes I feel like a shipwreck survivor, listening to people arguing that we shouldn't leave the beach as rescue will be here soon, I think we have to face facts, rescue ain't coming we've been given up for dead by HTC, we have to move on and find a way forward ourselves. The DHD is dead long live the DHD.
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
Yeah, you're right. DHD has reached the end of its life according to HTC decisions. But at least now I have a fully working Sense 3.5 ROM as a refreshment over out-of-date but stable ARHD 6.3.3, so I still can enjoy my DHD before I have to spend my hard-earned money for my next smartphone upgrade (unfortunately my next smartphone definitely not from HTC or Motorola) :D
[Desire HD General] riahc3:
Ice Cream Sandwich for the HTC Desire HD? Email HTC and Qualcomm!

(This is a cross thread from this one: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1425324 as we needed that update that you guys were going to recieve Mostly will be copy-pasted)

Hey

Are all of you just going to bend over and let HTC **** you in the ass like this? Hell no.

They announced the update for HTC Desire HD. We could care less about the "customer expirence" we just want the damn source to the drivers.

If you want Ice Cream Sandwich on your HTC Desire HD device, you must email HTC and Qualcomm:

http://www.htc.com/us/about/contact-by-email

http://www.qualcomm.com/connect/contact

Another intresting link: http://www.qualcomm.com/about/businesses/qct?sid=3076

Hey, the HTC Desire guys pleaded, complained, moaned, *****ed, etc about it and it was released.

(Reply to all the emails they send you: If you don't, they will simply discard your query)

The biggest "problem" right now is camera as the framework has changed. The source code for that driver must be given so it can be adapted to work for HTC Desire HD.

Ive communicated with HTC several times on this (for my Desire Z) and they have replied basically that if there is enough demand, they will comply. They do have to communicate with other venders, specifically the one that makes the camera.

If they dont want to release the update then fine: we are just asking that they release the source code for the drivers (even "as-is") This way the community can work on it and release updates by its own without having to wait on HTC or Qualcomm.

I repeat: EMAIL HTC AND QUALCOMM FOR ICE CREAM SANDWICH SUPPORT: RELEASING THE SOURCE CODE TO DRIVERS Together, we can make it happen and help developers of ROMs

The actual "enemy" may be Qualcomm as I emailed them and have yet to even recieve a "Thank you for contacting us" email.

The chipset used is the Qualcomm MSM7230. From what I gather from this page: http://www.qualcomm.com/connect/contact their email is qctweb.inquiry@qualcomm.com

Try to write them as well. If they see there is demand, they might release the driver as is (it is worth a shot)

Thanks
[Desire HD General] dhd1802:
some of us cant move on for 6+ months, so are stuck with htc for now.

even if we dont get anything ics related for the dhd... hopefully they, and any other phone manufacturer, will learn a lesson and not repeat the same mistake with future phones.

i say keep giving them some on facebook / twitter /etc, and hopefully they realise you dont f*ck with your customers :D
[Desire HD General] pappas99:
I also emailed HTC, basically stating that they will be losing alot of fans/business with this decision. I also said they can keep most people happy if they release the update or at least relevant things needed to the dev community so that we can do it ourselves

If we keep pushing something will happen
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
We need to face facts, releasing the source code will keep a minor, albeit vocal, section of their fan base happy. To be honest the vast majority of DHD users probably don't give a **** an HTC know it.
[Desire HD General] stecklars:
The biggest german IT news page released an article about it today:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HTC-streicht-Android-4-0-fuer-Desire-HD-1656604.html

Over 200 comments and counting!
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
Everyone please comment here:

Sony backpedals on Android 4.1 upgrade statement, is now 'actively investigating' all Xperia updates

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/sony-backpedals-on-android-4-1-upgrade-statement-is-now-active/

tell everyone of petition and htc not listening to their costumers as Sony does

we need to keep the pressure on htc - please comment! :D

---------- Post added at 06:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:18 AM ----------

Vodafone update: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-01082012/

one before was: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-25072012/ (Awaiting submission of second round software by manufacturer to Vodafone for testing.)

before that was: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-11072012/ (Currently in testing.)

and first one mention

where they had 1st ICS fersion for Desire HD

: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-

update-weekly-wrap-04072012/ (Software received from manufacturer, testing scheduled to begin shortly.)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
guys guys

all i can say is hold tight :)

wish them luck, they are really upset with the situation and they are not BSing they have a technical issue at hand but they didn't give up yet
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Funny that their blog pronounces that they have given up. They are BSing, totally. They have no technical issue, they have a managment and financel issue, a reaaaaaaally big one. If they had a technical issue, the desire s update would be cancelt either. Their efford went in the wrong direction.

Dropping DHD to gently move users to buy a One x obviously didn`t work. I think they thought this step would affect a large userbase, and a small amount of resistance. DHD was a big hit for HTC back then, most DHD users were satisfied with their handset until this small step of canceling the update. Funny how things can turn against them. Building a good device=profit, dropping device support before most users are out of their contract=a no go.

Maybe only a small Userbase is pissed of, but holy moly, it is the the wrong one. Early adopter and technical interested people are so importent for this company. I don`t know how many people asked me what brand and device i would recommand, a htc device won`t be in that list in future, until this company overthinks the philosophy and strategy.

Aside the DHD-Mess there is is a lot more of work for them, i wish they will get back on their feet, but lost hope and trust into them.