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[G2 and Desire Z General] Sukhi91:
Then how come htc desire c has ice cream sandwich???
[G2 and Desire Z General] stranded.eu:
Excuse me but isn't ROM the internal memory meaning we qualify" Or is it actually RAM? I'm confused. ROM is non-writable so it's definately not RAM...?
[G2 and Desire Z General] demkantor:
Why be care so much about rom? Isn't it ram they are concerned with?

But on topic htc is making a mistake here, even if they feel sense 4.x will be too slow they could bring just an aosp ics rom in, add their bloatware and our phone should be up to par with many phones currently running stock ics, and probably better than some. The g2/dz are not dinosaurs and developers have proved the stability porting ics here, this would be a mistake especially if we don't have a g3 soon... I wouldn't ming changing to a new manufacture if this is the case...
[G2 and Desire Z General] stranded.eu:
If this is the case:

ROM is "built-in" computer memory containing data that normally can only be read, not written to. ROM contains the programming that allows your computer to be "booted up" or regenerated each time you turn it on. Unlike a computer's random access memory (RAM), the data in ROM is not lost when the computer power is turned off. The ROM is sustained by a small long-life battery in your computer.

It means we will get ICS? We have 1.5GB of internal memory.
[G2 and Desire Z General] demkantor:
This is to my first point, its as if htc didn't edit their post
[G2 and Desire Z General] xxx_1910:
ICS with Sense 4.0 works perfect on our desire z. it's extremly fast and optimized. but no camera drivers and sound drivers are not very good.

those new devices with ICS (one v and desire c) both have 512 mb RAM and desire c has 600 (!) mhz CPU, I will never ever buy HTC phone again. no support = no loyalty
[G2 and Desire Z General] VaderSKN:
U got 1.5 GB memory? I have "only" 1.1 GB, on every ROM.

EDIT: They wrote at the down: Upgrade to Android 4.0 means Sense 3.6.

And: Sense 4.0 need special hardware ****.
[G2 and Desire Z General] johrie:
You need to read better.

HTC did not say that it will stop supporting these phones. they said that they will not get there ICS upgrade.

And about the Desire C and One V. Yes they are low spec phones with ICS but they have Sense 4.0, wich runs way faster then 3.6 ( wich older phones will be updated with ).

So newer phones Sense 4.0. Older phones 3.6.
[G2 and Desire Z General] xxx_1910:
my reading is ok, don't worry dude

it doesn't matter what they say. "support" means at least time zone fix, peep updates, keyboard and other bugz fix etc. and ofcourse new OS if device is suitable. and sure it is.

so what's the point, "captain obvious"? thats what everybody was talkin about. sense 4.0 lighter, faster, better and low spec phones can easily run and use it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] terrormattie:
Mine will:cool:
[G2 and Desire Z General] craiglay:
Only our device is unique in the product lineup because it has a physical keyboard. You'll see the Mytouch 4G Slide has no ICS and it also has a keyboard and is a much more a capable device.

I'd say the actual problem is the software development required to engineer Sense 4.0 to our device. We have a very custom version of Sense 2.1 that features rotating widgets and keyboard optimisations which will be the reason our updates are out of the standard cycle, we didn't get Sense 3.x and probably won't get ICS.

Its not a matter of the device suitability, its all about the Sense interface and in all honesty its not worth HTC's development as they're reportedly not producing any more QWERTY phones.

If you want ICS, you'll be going down a ported ROM route.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
I already changed to Sony:

1.- Currently updating ALL their 2011 line to ICS

2.- Official bootloader unlocking tool (!!!)

3.- Light UX skin, not as heavy as Sense

4.- Xperia S offered 12 mpix Exmor-R cam and 1280x720 4.3" screen, I couldn't say no...

...and 5.- My DZ failed after 8 months of modrate use (capacitive buttons) and HTC refused to receive it for repair because I was not in the phone's country of origin (got it from an online retailer, the batch was from Bell Canada)
[G2 and Desire Z General] KyraOfFire:
HTC G2 HBoot? (it wouldn't run Sense though)
[G2 and Desire Z General] xxx_1910:
yes u are right but every custom interface (2.3.* or 4.0.*) has rotating rosie and rotating widgets (except MIUI may be), so I don't think that's a big problem for such a big company. they just don't give a **** about us
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
All companies are in this to make money, and no money is to be made updating a phone that is nearing it's two year anniversary and has been discontinued. I say it all the time to people about Android phones, you buy one for what it has right now, not what it might get in the future. The most you can expect an OEM to support you is one major OS version, and that's what we got. They want you to buy a new phone, and there is no incentive if they keep you updated.

Apple does the same thing. Sure they update phones to a better version number, but they intentionally lock older phones out of new features to get you to upgrade. The only thing they care about is getting your $, all phone manufacturers are the same. That said, Sony has been stepping up their game lately.....
[G2 and Desire Z General] demkantor:
But if they don't make a new generation phone compareable to the one they refuse to update many will change to a new manufacture - in this case no g3 means die hard htc fans will no longer be that
[G2 and Desire Z General] steinarlundemo:
No probs with HTC here.

My Z still stands strong. Got it since release here in Norway. Just waiting for a ICS rom w/ sense 4 that support nordic HW-buttons. No need for Sony :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] xxx_1910:
my english is not good enough to write so long and correct posts, but I partially agree with u. and u have to argree that our desire z always was lagging behind. no 3.0 update, no 3.5. yes, they made 2.3.3 (2.1 Sense) update, but gingerbread release was not far away from desire z start of sales

yep. no updates cause of market reasons and no new phone of the same type
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
For me, it was hard to admit it but QWERTY phones are dead. I had to start a painful learning curve by using touch typing but after trying many brands I found the Xperia swype keyboard to be as good as it gets. Nothing replaces a real keyboard, but I had to accept the fact that the market trend decides the form factor of new phones, and I always want the best, the flagship. And this uber-retina display indeed washed my complaints away :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] craiglay:
I think you're confusing widgets with apps. Rotating rosie and HTC widgets are a feature of the DZ, HT4G and Flyer only. You'll see ports of ROMS to the DZ without rotation because HTC doesn't code it into Sense.

Nospin is right. The DZ is now 18+ Months old, has had an OS update from Froyo and is quite specialised having a physical KB. All the other 2010 handsets getting upgraded are so because Sense can just port down through the range with minimal effort.

1. The DZ is from 2010.. And Sony got a lot of bad press by refusing GB updates to many 2010 and older handsets. Without committing to an upgrade path, no-one would buy their phones.

2. HTC do this for many phones too.. Including the DZ

3. Sense has always been known for bloat but Sense 4 is changing that. There was a blog that suggested many 2011 Sony handsets were experiencing performance issues with their ICS upgrades.

4. No, I wouldn't say no that either. Specs are rather nice. Visually looks like my old HTC Touch Diamond 2 :)

5. In many countries, your retailer actually provides the warranty, not HTC, especially for customised ones like yours and the T-Mobile G2. I'm not sure that is really HTC's fault..

Now, I'd love HTC to change their tune and release ICS for the Desire Z but I can't see it happening. However, our devs are doing a great job of porting ICS so if HTC doesn't, we'll still get it. I do agree about moving to a different manufacturer if they're going to offer a QWERTY phone..
[G2 and Desire Z General] Vladimir2k9:
Interesting, what about t-mobile g2. Stock ICS for this phone will be best thing for porting.
[G2 and Desire Z General] blackknightavalon:
I'm not surprised. It's been rumored that the MyTouch 4G Slide isn't getting official ICS either, and it more than qualifies.

Sent from Spaceball One.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Oxylomorph:
I think htc does a good job with this desire z / G2 Model.

It's a pity that there will be no ICS update, but who *needs* it really? Most normal Users won't realize a big difference to GB, or they'll get a new Phone with a new contract.

The experienced Users can root the Phone and get a Mod. The Hardware is definitely good enough for ICS.

But Why, Why are there no successor models with a hardware keyboard? Well, my phone has to survive at least 1,5 more years ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] xxx_1910:
:D I hope HTC paid u at least 3.99$ for this outstanding post
[G2 and Desire Z General] miscz:
It gets mentioned way too rarely so I will repeat it.

Unlike Desire HD or S, Desire Z lacks RAM to run Sense 3.x well enough to release such upgrade without embarassing lag that HTC is known for. (1)

HTC like every manufacturer won't change user experience in any major way because it would cause outcry in general public that suddenly doesn't recognise their phone UI. (2)

HTC strategy in terms of ICS upgrade for existing phones was to create updated Sense 3 that doesn't differ too much from existing UI. Here comes Sense 3.6. (3)

HTC won't update DZ because (3), which won't happen because of (1) and won't push Sense 4A because of (2). You get it now?

Stop whining like babies, HTC did enough for DZ already. We do have unlocked bootloader and will get HTC ICS kernel thanks to DHD and DS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] craiglay:
And we have always have the XDA devs to provide us ICS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Dutchman01:
I still have a little hope that they will release at a later stadium the HTC ONE Z.

To bad some higher placed people from HTC think they can say to us that qwerty phones must be dead, that they like all on touc screen that's fine ok for me, bit not releasing a new qwerty yet sucks.

I think if more people will screem for it the change is high that HTC sees there is still a markt for this kind of phones. They will change strategy.

For now i will not use a other phone till they release it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stranded.eu:
Just got this from HTC Poland:

Basically means ICS won't be released for Desire Z.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Stevennnn:
Why would you want an official ICS upgrade?

There are many custom ICS roms, with or without Sense.

I'm running Andromadus B3 right now and it runs really smooth,

so even if there would be an official ICS I probably wouldn't upgrade.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stranded.eu:
I want stability, I want 100% working phone, no random reboots, working 720p camcorder, fully working tethering (over WiFi) etc etc

As far as I know all of these custom roms right now are somehow broken or have little glitches.

Besides while I still have my warranty I'd rather not play with perfectly fine phone - if it's not broken, don't fix it. However I would love to see the encryption option from ICS that's why I want Android 4.0.

There is only hope in Cyanogenmod 9 but I have no idea what's their progress on it now since there is no info on that (and I'm not talking about that custom, unofficial CM9 rom on here).
[G2 and Desire Z General] KyraOfFire:
Do you really think a stock ROM is stable and 100% working?
[G2 and Desire Z General] stranded.eu:
For me it seems like it almost is, crashed only once since I have it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SPSP:
This is clean answer - Who wants to have unknown pieces of code from unknown open people without any responsibility or agreement? With respect of all the unknown open developers, I need access to my bank account, email (company and personal), contacts, google accounts (location too) and many things that I want to keep secured.

So when you have an original ROM, you have an agreement and the known source. You know that companies like HTC, Motorola, Google, Sony-Erricsson, LG, Samsung and others doesn't need to have "big security problems" due to their existency.

You know how easy is to put some code in tcp stack, Anroid libraries and APIs and so that could send copy of some secured data to some unknown destinations...

There is very good to have top new functions but most of us need reliability not only technical but legal too.

Yes, I think that most of public rom developers have good mind but I think that we need guaranty that must be paid and must have good source.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jethro650:
Hmmmm, I believe not so long ago it was open developers that noticed and proved that certain phone companies were collecting data from phone and sending it unsecured to data collection centers to make our user experience better. Oh and that was without our knowledge or consent.....just sayin'

As far as stability, my girlfriend and I both got our Z's at the same time. She upgraded from froyo to gingerbread OTA upgrade and I upgraded from froyo to ILWT CM7. My phone works better, battery last longer and not one reboot yet. Hers lags, freezes, reboots all the time, not to mention she gets maybe 7 hours to a charge, I get 18 to 20.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stranded.eu:
Cyanogenmod is a totally different thing though, it's more reliable than random custom roms. Lets just hope cm9 comes out soon.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Stevennnn:
I understand you want a stable ROM for your phone, but why wouldn't developers be able to make such a thing? The 2.3 stock rom with sense that I used before i rooted and flashed my phone crashed more, and rebooted at random times. I have absolutely no idea why this happened, but I do know that it doesn't happen with the current custom rom I'm using. I'm not saying custom roms are better than the official ones, but saying you will only use stock roms beacuse of the stability is a but simplistic.

That is a good point, there could be a backdoor. But, even chips the american army uses has a backdoor, and the provider (KPN) that I'm using (in Holland) uses deep packet inspection so they are able to see what messages I send and how much etc (Sources at the end of this post).

I think you're right with questioning the reliability of developers, but I don't think the big companies should be trusted at all times.

http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/05/28/1454222/backdoor-found-in-china-made-us-military-chip

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/74419/kpn-past-deep-packet-inspection-toe-op-mobiel-internetverkeer.html

http://www.hetgroenebellen.nl/kpn-admits-to-using-deep-packet-inspection/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tayida huri:
Hey guys, wanna ask ull that im getting a message "Your device does not support software upgrading via KIES" when my attempt to update my note to ICS? before this i had changed to other stock rom from other country (India) and had rooted my device. My phone originally come preloaded with GB software from other country version as im buying the AP set. Can someone help me? Im from Malaysia... :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] praetorius:
reflash with stock Malaysian GB or change your CSC as per tutorial.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tayida huri:
?

em may i know what do u mean by 'change your CSC as per tutorial.'? tq
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] GianniDPC:
My phone's battery drains really fast (didn't had this before)

Well I found these steps:

1. Fully drain your battery, play some games, music, etc.. NO PORN!!

2. Let your battery cool for atleast 2 minutes

3. Restart phone to remove residual charge( it will boot only halfway)

4. After the phone shuts down remove battery and let it cool for atleast 2 minutes.

5. Re insert battery and charge your phone in OFF mode.

6. After the phone reaches 100% charge boot into recovery (Power+Home+Volume_up button)then go int o clowckword recovery by applying skingt1980 zip

7. choose advance option .

8. Wipe battery stats

9. Press Power/Back and Reboot your phone

10. Wait till the phone reaches 100% charge and disconnect charger

11. Have a happy battery life !!!!!!!

Question is: is this safe to do without any hard bricking etc ... :o
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] anasdcool71:
It's safe...i don't think battery problems can cause hard bricking....although you need to follow each step carefully to ensure your battery dosen't screw up....

Sent from my Galaxy Young
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] Raol Emostar:
You cant brick your phone calibrating battery! Just don't do it over and over again cuz then you'll have to replace your battery.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] GianniDPC:
Ok thnx will try it out tommorow :)
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] irfanbagus:
that's safe but useless. battery calibration only useful for smart battery, like the one on notebook, but not for dumb battery, like the one in cellphone. smart battery keep battery statistic so it can provide you data like :

- how much electric charge saved in last charge and how much average power usage so you know how much time left before you need recharge

- how much actual battery capacity and initial capacity so you know when to buy new battery

cellphone don't have (and don't need) that features because it's using dumb battery. battery meter in status bar not actually represents the electric charge in battery, but electric voltage of battery.

battery stat in android phone only record power usage for every running process and don't know at all about battery capacity. and you don't need to wipe manually, it's reset every time you fully charge your phone.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] savie:
That's mean no need overclock.

:p
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] adidas123:
I don't think it safe

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S IV
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] kurotsugi:
calibrating battery means we will delete some file inside /data partition. it doesn't related to the battery itself. its save, but useless. there's no proof that this method will increase our battery life.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] noobwithgalaxyy:
Its completely useless.

It deals with batterystats.bin file in the data/system/ directory

and as a google engineer puts it..
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] spl@t:
I noticed that everytime i rebooted the phone battery level is 1% then later it will return to correct battery level?

anyone experience this? if yes, how did you fix it?
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] deathviper:
guys I gonna try this

if it works then it should Be a awesome trick for me
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] Nobuga:
This is utterly useless don't try this.
[HTC EVO 3D] ajgram:
I'm running an ics Rom right now but want something better. What are you using? Good tweaks or not? Any beats or xloud stuff you add on to it or is already with it?? Thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] Vdubtx:
Perhaps tell which ROM you are using.... I am on MeanROM ICS with stock kernel and it has been incredibly stable and has good battery life.
[HTC EVO 3D] ajgram:
Sorry, im running ICSense420
[HTC EVO 3D] coal686:
I am running Zr3dx and it is great. Custom skin, great battery, xloud and beats included.

I also like Meanrom, Nocturnal, and Mikvirgin. I recommend you go to the development forum (CDMA or GSM depending) and read about what is offered.

Sent from my PG86100
[HTC EVO 3D] troyboytn:
MikVirgin can't be beat!
[HTC EVO 3D] jstn76rs:
+1 MikVirgin has been running really smooth...
[Thunderbolt General] Tiezane:
Found this on HTC's side, it's being reported on Droid-life, as well:

http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog

They are claiming July-August for ICS. I'll believe it when I see it.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
They did say earlier this year it would be near the end of q3 when they pushed the ota out. I would say if they are honestly trying to get the update out then it will be at the end of august or later. They almost always delay by 2 months usually.
[Thunderbolt General] dreitzell78:
I know there is no actual for this, but, is there an about time frame for leaks before they release official? I guess I mean, is it feasible to say that there may be a leak by the end of June? I know, purely speculation. But fun to guess.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
There is no way to know that because if we get a leak then we get a leak. The only way we can get a leak is if someone puts it out there for us.
[Thunderbolt General] gammaxgoblin:
Awesome, only four months before I get a new phone lol....better late than never I suppose.....praying for leaks with working ril that's all the devs need!
[Thunderbolt General] Tiezane:
That's what I'm waiting for, the leaks to start rolling out. All it takes is one good one!
[Thunderbolt General] emptyshell:
I've accepted it will never be here. Same with my SGT10.1
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
It will be here, but stock 4.0 aosp just aint that great imo. With sense, maybe
[Thunderbolt General] teddyastuffed:
I played around with sense 3.6 and ics on a tmobile phone (sensation maybe?? Lol I dont remember -_-) and it wasn't much different than sense 3.5 with a couple additions. Althoigh I do like how the folders open :)))
[Thunderbolt General] SubliminalME:
Man, I disagree wholeheartedly. Stock ICS blows any of our roms out of the water...in power management and usability. Add in the features in, say, AOKP and wrap it up in Apex Launcher and it's pretty much the best mobile experience I can imagine.

If only that Nexus I had for a month got better reception...loved the software.
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
How do you get that with no ril? Been runnin it on wifes dinc for 5 months, it all works, pretty smooth, but not fantastic
[Desire General] pwatk:
I'm posting this here because I'm not allowed to post in the relevant thread in the development forum yet.

Increased read ahead buffer size to improve SD R/W performance("sdfix")-256kb (Switchable easily)
Option to allow manual switching of Readahead value by user without need of any additional apps

Above is a quote from the list of features for Droidzone's Supernova ROM. Could someone please tell me how to altering this value.

Thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] thesabri:
Hi I'm prepping my phone for a non tech person to purchase. Need help determining the best/ most stable Ics rom

Any help is appreciated
[HTC EVO 3D] sitlet:
Honestly, I wouldn't give a rooted phone to a non tech person. They won't know what to do if problems arise, and they could take an update or do something that could permanently brick the phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] lbhocky19:
i just want an ICS rom that doesn't randomly reboot on me
[HTC EVO 3D] metalfan78:
I agree with sitlet. Put a stock rom on it, sell it, call it good. If they want ICS let them flash it. Its better to sell an up-to-date stable phone than something that hasn't even been released yet.

"We're coming from a pure power source."
[HTC EVO 3D] coal686:
If you want to still install a custom Rom, I recommend either MeanRom or Viperrom (for CDMA). Remember though that although these work well, they are based on a non Sprint leak, so there could be issues for a non tech person.

Sent from my PG86100
[HTC EVO 3D] Alpine-:
As of Today, Sprint has announced that the official ICS build will be out in June/July.

http://www.goodandevo.net/2012/05/htc-posts-faq-about-ics-update-for-current-htc-evo-devices.html

Personally, I would give them a FULLY functional, stable ROM. The ICS leak roms have a lot of issues right now. Major functionality is being made to work (wifi, timestamps in sms, etc.). I prefer a very stable, functional MeanRom 2.17 OTA base until we see some custom roms/kernels on the ICS Sprint OTA release.

You dont want to give them a ICS rom that has issues bc they wont be able to update and flash new version of the ROM. Have you looked at the changelog for some ICS roms? Check out ICS MeanRom for example. It has a lot of major fixes applied in the last few releases. IMO, ICS is not ready for prime time and especially not for a newb who cant properly troubleshoot and flash new roms.