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[Desire HD General] Nece228:
well we need to wait a little bit more to see if desire s will receive ota or ruu update, if its gonna be ruu which will also destroy the data during the update (the htc excuse for dhd) then its very possible that dhd will also get update, but not ota:

http://twitter.com/Football4PDA/status/236357152455946240/photo/1
[Desire HD General] MoveJockey:
works fine
[Desire HD General] AgentCain:
First time HTC user, first time android user, hell first time touch-phone user! :p (previously a NokiaOS user)

Gotta admit, a lot of ROMs out there but I chose the Revolution one by mike (cheers to him!)

What I would like to see is an ICS (or even better JB, but ICS is good enough I suppose) Revolution ROM (being the most stock looking and energy efficient I think) complete with HTC Sense 4.0. I mean, that would be an enormous update since HTC sense is so much better than 3, 3.5 or 3.6

Its a pity that I didnt get into this (using android and eventually developing) earlier
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Keep pushing guys, we definitely are making an impact. Don't let it fall off. Resign the petition, encourage others to sign, and keep emailing!
[Desire HD General] p4n6:
Why not flash to new ROM? There are few ROMs for DHD running ICS that work like a charm.

I believe HTC refuses to upgrade the DHD to ICS is because they want to reduce their development operational cost instead of the device not able to support it. XDA developers can do it and HTC developers can't? Sounds ridiculous to me.
[Desire HD General] gtramt1:
xda is popular even in slovenian press :) good work blackout team! :)

http://www.siol.net/novice/tehnologija/telekomunikacije/2012/08/htc_desire_hd.aspx
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
Nice choice... After trying several releases, such as Sense 3.5 or even Sense 4 (full and lite), I keep coming back to Revolution ROM 6.3.3 by mike, it is simply the best ROM for DHD. I am mainly use my DHD for its core function (sms, internet, camera) so I need ROM that really stable and have all features working as expected, other experimental ROM simply just can't gave that.
[Desire HD General] torpedrolx:
just for fun i wrote this is htc facebook page, just waiting if they answer lol :

«i have a BIG problem!! with gingerbread official rom, my desire hd is very laggy and slow, but with unnoficial ICS rom the phone is very fast.

how can i solve this?? my phone is new!

awaiting feedback.

thank you »
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Probably this-

Lol

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[Desire HD General] gtramt1:
hilarious answer by HTC

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
[Desire HD General] torpedrolx:
Lol funny night :D
[Desire HD General] tonylee000:
I agree that ARHD6.3.2/3 is the most complete and rock solid rom for the DHD, its been my "fallback" rom for over a year now. Started using the blackout Rom a week ago in my quest to have ICS and I'm not upset!! I use the camera and video recorder a lot which has always been an issue with all ICS Rom I've tried before it. The blackout v3.0.0 Rom is awesome but does have different problems such as an sms bug that restricts sms to 160 chars but will appear to send anyway, this is fixed in the next update but as of writing, hasn't been released yet. Apparently tethering doesn't work properly yet but haven't checked that yet. I'm more than happy with this Rom and even happier knowing that its being activily worked on and updated.
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
I don't think they have humans responding questions. All of their answers are generic.
[Desire HD General] mustafa76:
Hi

Thunderbolt is going to get his official ics.

I want to ask the developer here can make this ruu work for us or not?
[Desire HD General] coolexe:
Hi,

HTC replied to my Email...so don't stop pushing HTC for ICS
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Keep at it!! Kernel source is of utmost importance. Even with the 3.0 kernels out there!

Sent from my Cellular Telephone, which can do magic things over the internet.
[Desire HD General] minhnq2911:
waiting to upgrade from mike, hope to have ics rom.
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
it look like desire s is now also removed from sfr france:

http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/328/5243/original.jpg

and since we already see evidence of desire s wont releasing ota, but releasing ruu, im pretty sure that desire hd will have same thing and will get ruu.
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
LOL, that was/is expected...

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trying to push through HTC support the same and your response from them is the best one yet!
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
If people stop hammering at HTC, nothing will happen. Make as much noise as possible on the HTC & HTC Facebook pages - render them next to unusable, IMHO.
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
Incredible S source code at htcdev.com just got released. For some reason im really positive that its gonna be our phone next.
[Desire HD General] rohithksaj:
may be :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops:
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
I really hope so.
[Desire HD General] synergydevelopment:
I think virtuous may be what you're looking for.
[Desire HD General] 160bpm:
HTC Netherlands and a reseller company "Belcompany" confirmed that they going to start a action.

Dutch HTC Desire HD owners can swap there old phone for the new HTC One X.

Now waiting for the rules etc...

HTC has listen to lot of complaining people and has decide to doing this action.
[Desire HD General] DЯΦiDi@П:
Rules are easy: just send your DHD and € 500 and you get an One X.
[Desire HD General] 160bpm:
I'll wait... HTC NL has said we will give later on more details ... so it is not sure what the rules will be
[Desire HD General] robinmobile:
other question is, will they accept a rooted device.
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Just ruu it first.

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[Desire HD General] Rendering:
Don't stop pushing HTC for ICS sources, let's make them see that we are a lot and we are very angry
[Desire HD General] Dbugger:
I installed ICS finally from the Blackout Team, and it works like a charm :) Totally recommended!
[Desire HD General] Roberto_Lim:
The Incredible S ICS ROM is what is being used in the Blackout ICS and the NERO 2.0 ROM's. Both very promising, with just a few bugs left.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[Desire HD General] riahc3:
Im seeing you guys just bending over and lettings yourselfs get ****ed by HTC in the ass.....

DO NOT STOP COMPLAINING. SEND EMAILS.

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(This is a cross thread from this one: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1425324 as we needed that update that you guys were going to recieve Mostly will be copy-pasted)

Hey

Are all of you just going to bend over and let HTC **** you in the ass like this? Hell no.

They announced the update for HTC Desire HD. We could care less about the "customer expirence" we just want the damn source to the drivers.

If you want Ice Cream Sandwich on your HTC Desire HD device, you must email HTC and Qualcomm:

http://www.htc.com/us/about/contact-by-email

http://www.qualcomm.com/connect/contact

Another intresting link: http://www.qualcomm.com/about/businesses/qct?sid=3076

Hey, the HTC Desire guys pleaded, complained, moaned, *****ed, etc about it and it was released.

(Reply to all the emails they send you: If you don't, they will simply discard your query)

The biggest "problem" right now is drivers for the GPU as the framework has changed. The source code for that driver must be given so it can be adapted to work for HTC Desire HD.

Ive communicated with HTC several times on this (for my Desire Z) and they have replied basically that if there is enough demand, they will comply. They do have to communicate with other driver venders.

If they dont want to release the update then fine: we are just asking that they release the source code for the drivers (even "as-is") This way the community can work on it and release updates by its own without having to wait on HTC or Qualcomm.

I repeat: EMAIL HTC AND QUALCOMM FOR ICE CREAM SANDWICH SUPPORT: RELEASING THE SOURCE CODE TO DRIVERS Together, we can make it happen and help developers of ROMs

The actual "enemy" may be Qualcomm as I emailed them and have yet to even recieve a "Thank you for contacting us" email.

The chipset used is the Qualcomm MSM7230. From what I gather from this page: http://www.qualcomm.com/connect/contact their email is qctweb.inquiry@qualcomm.com

Try to write them as well. If they see there is demand, they might release the driver as is (it is worth a shot)

Thanks
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
I haven't stopped emailing HTC about the ICS but I only get automated replies :'(

I will email qualcomm and HTC.
[Desire HD General] -SmOgER:
hm, dont quite get ///

DHD has Qualcomm MSM8255.
[Desire HD General] Quinny899:
Its a 7x30 device, look in your build.prop
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Keep emailing, posting, and signing the petition! Don't let up until they deliver.
[Desire HD General] Kaducey:
Is there any chance HTC would do something good after all this. It already lost our trust and plenty of customers
[Desire HD General] lswai:
Seriously need to reconsider whether to buy HTC handset in the future.... they don't keep their promise....
[Desire HD General] ylorak:
I fully support nagging HTC until they release the kernel sources and drivers, I also mailed them myself. But I wonder, is it still the GPU drivers that are problematic at the moment? Because current ICS roms already claim to have full video hw acceleration and graphics-wise they do seem to work fine (no glitches, fast, video playback ok etc.). Some JB rom even claims it managed to enabled JB's triple buffering, something which I doubted the community will succeed in without an official release (congrats to the devs!). I get the impression, instead of GPU we have problems with

- Some app specific code (ICS/JB being all new, permissions, framework...)

- Bluetooth drivers (BT or thethering not working...)

- Audio drivers (FM jack detection, headset control, volume problems, muted sounds...)

- Minor camera problems

... at least these are problems that current state-of-the-art DHD roms seem to be having in common.

Some random crashes also seem to be occuring for people, but I'm not an Android dev and I cannot tell if it is because of video drivers, OC, one of the above or something else. Anyway, I get the impression video drivers are not our greatest concern anymore.

Video or not, I guess we should not be asking for some drivers in specific, but instead for all drivers and kernel sources.

Also, even if it IS the GPU driver, I doubt that Qualcomm is the "enemy" (I wouldn't even classify HTC as one), if HTC decides to release the drivers, they'll get them from Qualcomm. Qualcomm will give HTC anything if HTC pays for it. On a side note, I highly suspect that HTC already has the ICS drivers for the Snapdragon in question, but this is only a wild guess.
[Desire HD General] blackwolfsa:
Thats odd, because gsmarena says its the 8255...
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
Desire S and Rhyme ICS updates are available as RUUs on the HTC dev website

http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads

This is the proof that HTC's official statement is BS!

wipe is never a reason to cancel update, since you can always release it as a standalone installer package and they shot themselves in the foot by releasing it for the twin Desire S as standalone, now we know the cancellation is purely commercial

we've been nagging on HTC elevate regarding this but so far no response
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
yeah, this is getting on my nerves, those bastards better have explanation for this
[Desire HD General] zelendel:
OK besides lol at people still getting upset about what someone does with THEIR company the childish swearing stops now or I will close this thread and infract/ban people that keep it up.

Sent from the Bat Cave
[Desire HD General] shithead:
It is MSM8255 Snapdragon. I'm not 100% sure about this, but I thought the MSM72xx is just slower than the Snapdragon, but almost the same chip. The Snapdragon name is only used for high performance chips, so Snapdragon chips are clocked at 1Ghz or faster.

So the Desire Z doesn't have a Snapdragon, because the chip is clocked at 800Mhz.

Back on topic: I hope they will release the ICS source this week - the end of August, but I have my doubts :-/

*Fingers crossed*
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
its democracy, freedom of speech please. this thread should still be open to make more people see it and more people will contact htc, so hopefully we will get our update.
[Desire HD General] zelendel:
Who ever said xda was a democracy? This is a developers site. Made by and for developers. I have allowed this to remain open so people have a place to complain about it so I don't have to close dozens of threads everyday. If it gets out of hand then I will close it. XDA doesn't allow swearing nor does it condone spamming anyone for any reason.

As for the update you can keep hoping all you want. But things like this are something that you will have to get used to. OEM are in the business to make money. That is their bottom line and we are the 1% of their profit margin.

Sent from the Bat Cave
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Still HTC have a lot to explain
[Desire HD General] walent:
HTCDEV is not working/very slow
[Desire HD General] coolexe:
plz guys no childish things otherwise mods close this thread...
[Desire HD General] Kapok3:
wisely said

we still need to contiunie spamming HTC and Qualcom :D
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Not spamming but complaining
[Desire HD General] trackattaker:
Probably because they're uploading the DHD upgrade:victory:
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Only if that where true :'(
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
actually they pulled the Desire S and Rhyme files :D
[Desire HD General] bdjam2:
I remember someone making a good point on HTC Elevate about the DHD ICS cancellation. A guy from HTC replied saying if they kept updating old phones such as the DHD with or without HTC Sense, they wouldn't be making as money as they would since people will stick with their older phones and not upgrade.

It makes sense but it's obvious now that they care more about money in their pockets rather than their loyal customers.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
That was me, I reposted some of the replies that a HTC rep posted, you can see them here --> http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29820854&postcount=623
[Desire HD General] Floken:
you moderators keep spitting on xda users, then someday there will be no users to moderate :good:
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Pics or it didn't happen. ;)

Seriously, where have you seen, heard or read that? XDA has a committee that oversees moderator behaviour & misuse. You can contact them privately here --> Moderator Committee

I seriously doubt there will be a shortage of users. XDA is about to hit 4.6 million. And the day everyone follows the rules is the day XDA does not need moderators.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
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[Desire HD General] killersRquiet:
I can't believe some of the childish bickering in this thread. HTC are a company and they exist to make money. Given HTC sales/performance isn't stellar at present then I kinda doubt updating an old phone ( by lifecycle) is a priority.

Also having a go at xda and mods isn't going to win you any fans or plaudits.

If you wanna guarantee constant upgrade buy a nexus.
[Desire HD General] recolor-shrink-spool:
The point is that HTC told us that they would be delivering the update and are now backing down for fague reasons and don't release the RUU or the kernel. It isn't strange that we're complaining then the.
[Desire HD General] dh.harald:
Hmm?

http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10151368416848084
[Desire HD General] robinmobile:
now they are just joking with us. feeling like a circus clown
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Happy happy joy joy!

Sent from my Cellular Telephone, which can do magic things over the internet.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
rejoyce real ics is back!!!!!!!!!!
[Desire HD General] riahc3:
Further confirmation is needed....

Email HTC about this Facebook post.
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
+1

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[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Did someone downloaded them before they pulled it?

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We need to download the RUU immediately when its available. Mabye someone manage to download it before they pull it again.
[Desire HD General] coolexe:
i have DesireS ruu...DesireS forum also have alternative link...:D

Lol...maybe just a typo mistake...!!! Need confirmation...but thx bro
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
pretty sure the facebook guy just made a fatal mistake, he misunderstood the question
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
probably :( but one can only hope...
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
If this HTC facebook guy made a fatal mistake as hamdir likes to think, than he should be sacked and comunication is not his thing ,this means this HTC guy can't read or is stupid enough not to understand a simple question or he was high,or may be he was joking ,because to think of it the guy asked the question and the HTC guy took 8 hours to reply you'd think that the question sank in his head or may be the answer means that a desire hd ruu is coming can't see why not since desire s and HTC rhyme got it
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
If you want to ask for further information, here is the post :)

edit: THEY CANCELLED THE POST GUYS!! IT WAS A MISTAKE :(
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
their facebook team are not really tech savvy
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
If this is not true ,HTC should sack the comunication manager ,HTC cannot afford another pr disaster,@hamdir ,they work for HTC they need to be tech savvy otherwise go do netting at home
[Desire HD General] dh.harald:
My post disappeared from FB... Maybe it was a mistake by HTC guy :(
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
When it comes to HTC ,the right hand literally doesn't know what the left hand is doing
[Desire HD General] killersRquiet:
More like the right eye doesn't see what the left eye does:)

Communication and accuracy are two things HTC dint excel at
[Desire HD General] riahc3:
Like I ntioned, further confirmation was needed.........

Maybe we can get 4chan to do something in protest of the DHD/ICS update...(anything goes and is worth a shot at this point)
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
This is very curious.

Sent from my Cellular Telephone, which can do magic things over the internet.
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
The left arm of HTC have no idea what the right one is doing...
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
Indeed! But the post was deleted, wrong info or info that was not yet public or not meant to be.

As with the Desire S OTA update. No official comment on that either from HTC why RUU was released first or should it be this way?
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
And I don't think it makes a good long term business plan, I would have considered a HTC device over the SGS3 had they been a little more customer focused.
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Any further updates on that Facebook post?

Sent from my Cellular Telephone, which can do magic things over the internet.
[Desire HD General] MadssiDK:
Delete plz
[Desire HD General] dh.harald:
HTC Hello Aleks, unfortunately this was an error on our part. Due to technical limitations on the Desire HD, we are unable to issue an update.
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
what kind of technical limitations????
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
Limitation as in ,go get x one ,we need the money .but my advice is don't ,I went through 4 none of them worth 600€ all of them had hardware and software issues
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
exactly! :D
[Desire HD General] leopardtag:
DHD was the last device I bought from HTC. I really hope they learn the lesson and start to respect their costumers.
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
same here, probably Samsung or Sony is the next wave to go...
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Go for Samsung or nexus :thumbup:
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
launch issues, the One X is flying now
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
hamdir, do you think that we can still have some hope to see

kernel 3.0 sources

for dhd released?

you from htc elevate surely have more information than us... :D
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
:( means no? :(

can't we do nothing?

we need just kernel sources, not OTA/RUU...
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
i thought all the issues are solved? in terms of kernel?

and to answer, the logic seems to be no more than 2 generations of OS per device (not counting sub OS/Sense updates)
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
an official kernel would be better that a cooked one...

now yes, everithing works, but not perfectly... even the blackout ics rom has her bugs (here)...

imho, to tell the truth, by now gb with sense 3.5 works better than ICS with sense 3.6/4.0!!

if htc doesn't release the kernel sources many developers won't continue to support dhd, and we will always have roms not really 100% perfect :mad:

if you elevate members can do anything for us, please do it. we have no power!

In this month I contacted htc and htc italia many many times asking for kernel sources (I did it also yesterday), but they always responded with the same answers. if i responded again, they said that they would have forwarded my requests to higher people from htc.

but I'm starting to think that all my work didn't help anybody, because htc is still silent and more than a month has passed since the news of the cancellation :(

PS: I understand htc logic, but they promised the update, and, as we all know, dhd could easily support ics!

the problem of system repartitioning is just a stupid excuse :(
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Honestly many members of HTC Elevate, including hamdir, have voiced very sound counter arguments to HTC's decision. They have gone largely unanswered, or told the same things. At this point, we know no more than you guys, nor is there anything more we can do via HTC Elevate.
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
so sorry to hear this :(

there must be something we can still do!!

at least I hope that max63094 of the petition is still working on it! (he is!!! :D)

however, andy, why don't they release kernel sources on htcdev.com like they did for desire s (only kernel, not the full update)?

and, why isn't there any leak of the update? did they really test it? I remember that vodafone australia for example, was in possess of a testing build, wasn't she? :)
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
So they say... but where that update is, we may never know.

Sent from my Cellular Telephone, which can do magic things over the internet.
[Desire HD General] ylorak:
Probably because they didn't want it released. I suspect HTC leaks are not accidential, but leaked by HTC on purpose so they can use the fans for testing. This time the ROM was not to be released -> no leak.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
Or may be they didn't actually work on it so that's why there was no leak may be.....
[Desire HD General] ylorak:
That is also a possibility, but since they did officially announce ICS for DHD, and then cancelled it about the same time as news about HTC's bad financial situation were rolling out, I find it more likely that they actually worked on it and then went back on their plans to cut budget (and to force flashaholics to buy a newer model).
[Desire HD General] genab.de:
Hope HTC will do anything - -

Deutsche Bahn canceld now all HTC Phones... or dont buy any new HTc Devices

i think only in Germany, its more than 10 000 Smartphones less, what HTC sells.

if you say 500e per phone, HTC loose around 5 Million €
[Desire HD General] iluatutu:
I doubt that there will be official ics update for desire HD in Australia
[Desire HD General] Mucchan:
Considering that the kernel is under GPL, surely HTC is bound to release it to the public at some point.