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[Desire HD General] Taknarosh:
I just want to chime in here, I've followed the evolution of Android in Canada, and for all of you people who keep reiterating "Ohh TELUS is the one who cancelled it" or "TELUS is just trying to make money off new devices" or "We'll still get the upgrade only TELUS users will be left out". That isn't the case.

If you simply read the official statement from TELUS stated from this article:

http://www.androidbugle.com/2012/07/telus-response-to-htc-desire-hd-android.html

It's a fact that TELUS has been leagues better than Rogers or Bell (or any American carrier for that matter) at being transparent about their updates and taking responsibility of keeping customers in the loop about updates. I mean this entire panic attack on these forums and in the tech world originated from TELUS' OS upgrade schedule PDF which was introduced to keep power users in the loop, because we all know regular Joe doesn't give a damn about updates.

That being said, IF IN FACT, there is an upgrade for the HTC Desire HD, I for one am sure the TELUS will make sure to get that said update, ESPECIALLY after all the negative press and all the heat it has taken in the past few days.

I do think there is some merit for what marder was saying when it might be HTC's attempt in gauging the negative feedback if they focused their software efforts elsewhere. There are grounds for the same kind of mishap involving the blame game between HTC and a carrier in the past. Now I'm not saying it's HTC's fault since this is all circumstantial, but many early Android adopters in Canada on Rogers will remember getting burned when they were told their HTC Magics (myTouch 3G) and Dreams (G1) were going to stay on Android "1.5" for the "best experience".

Not unlike this situation, there was a pretty big uproar about this since the myTouch 3G and G1 in US were both upgraded to 1.6. Eventually both Rogers and HTC gave in and gave a pretty decent compromise. Dream users who were stuck on 1.5 were given a unique window of opportunity to upgrade to the HTC Magic for free and the HTC Magic was then upgraded to Android 2.1.

My 2 cents.
[Desire HD General] Pop Tarantula:
you definately watched 1 too many spy movies... talk about over-thinking!

PS.. keep wearing the tinfoil hat though... just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we're not all out to get you ;)

PPS.. anyone else thinking about posting a speculative hypothesis should probably STFU instead...
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
thats what i have wrote, and people called me idiot, but it seems i was right
[Desire HD General] flying_dutchman:
All conspiracy talk I tell ya ...... or even UFO related????

(Sorry was raised with x-files:D)

Let's just wait for the kernel and the devs!
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
According to a post I've just seen on the HTC UK Facebook page, it has been cancelled :(
[Desire HD General] nemtan:
That's a regular user posting a quote without stating any kind of source - it could be complete rubbish.
[Desire HD General] elmanortega:
This time last week, we learned that the carrier Telus had started informing its users that, despite earlier indications from HTC that it would most certainly be releasing an Ice Cream Sandwich update for the Desire HD, the manufacturer had since changed its mind on the matter, apparently dissatisfied with the operating system’s performance on the handset, and was canceling its upgrade plans. That news sounded a bit odd, so we were happy to hear HTC respond to those claims earlier this week, indicating that everything was still on-track for the Desire HD getting ICS. We thought that was the end of this misunderstanding, but now things seem to be getting even more confusing, with HTC backing-down from its earlier statement, and releasing a new one that keeps the Desire HD’s ICS fate up-in-the-air.

In just a few days, HTC’s position has gone from that it’s “still on schedule to deliver an Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade” for the Desire HD to that it’s “currently determining the ability to support Ice Cream Sandwich on the HTC Desire HD“, and it will “provide more information when we’ve completed our analysis“.

That’s a huge shift from what we once knew of the Desire HD’s update, when it was scheduled to arrive sometime in July or August. With this change in HTC’s attitude, we’re also worried for the fate of ICS on the Thunderbolt, the Desire HD’s CDMA brother, once also scheduled for a July/August release.

Source: Android Central

Via: Droid Dog
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Quite a few of the (supposed) 'experts' over there are saying it now though and it's apparently directly from HTC themselves.

EDIT: This is appearing in a few other places now, so looks legit - no official ICS for the DHD!
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
If it's true that signals a change in HTC as a company. like the post above me stated ,it a complete shift from no, to yes ,to we don't know ,to no from different sources within HTC ,HTC Twitter doesn't know what HTC Facebook UK is saying and vise versa , complete communication shambles regardless if we are getting ics or not
[Desire HD General] ROBINGAZI:
The same people at HTC UK who had earlier delivered the message that it was on schedule are now saying it is cancelled. I'm not sure whether HTC would absolutely cancel the upgrade or just deliver a vanilla 4.0 for enthusiasts but I guess we will be looking up to Football now.
[Desire HD General] Quinny899:
If that's true, then the noobs can go and riot on their page
[Desire HD General] hysteresis:
I drool at the notion of a pure Android 4.0.X release for DHD from HTC.:p
[Desire HD General] nemtan:
Drool no more - official ICS for DHD is cancelled...
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Fook HTC!!!

Sent from my Desire HD charged with ICS.
[Desire HD General] Nadirchine:
it's the time to close this topic .... android 2.3.5 is the last upgrade OS for Desire HD, now let us develop our XDA kernel for DHD :crying:
[Desire HD General] dhd1802:
it would be nice if people stopped using "official update" for site like i<3android.com, htclovers.com when its just recycled ****. unless a statement can be backed up with a truly official link (htc.com) they should have posting rights in this thread disabled.
[Desire HD General] nemtan:
HTC reached out to some volunteer community managers or something to get the word out - your choice to trust them or not but here you go: facebook.com/HTC/posts/10151271766613084 (sorry it's not a link, haven't got 10 posts)
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
we should seriously write petition to htc for what they are doing, incredible s has exact same specs (it has 8mb less shared memory than desire hd) and it got update. now need to find a way to contact htc and spam them
[Desire HD General] MrKaon:
OK here is the link but still it is not official statement from HTC:

http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10151271766613084
[Desire HD General] z_sven:
Oh thank you for linking to my question and the answers of these community supporters :D...

I'm really disappointing about HTC for not giving us the information themselves :mad:...Paul Anderson-Glew wrote it already there, I hope HTC will say something to this.

Personally I think they gave a first version of the upgraded firmware to Telus, Vodafone Australia and maybe some other carriers and after they find some bugs etc, HTC decides that they don't want to spend more money for a 2 year old phone like the DHD.
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
Whatever the fate of the DHD update will be, this is the end of the route for me and HTC. I have been using HTC phones since the HTC Touch and I am very disappointed with the company I trusted before. Not just because they are provably going to cancel the update, but the lack of information with which they have approached the issue.

A company as big and importand as HTC shouldn't be treating its consumers like they are doing. This is why I am not supporting their products any longer.
[Desire HD General] animaleyes76:
canned!!
[Desire HD General] ROBINGAZI:
For those who are saying that phones with similar HW are getting ICS why not DHD...I'd like to say look at our battery. I'd put my money on the battery having something to do with ICS for DHD getting canned.
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
This is from Pocketnow

"This time last week,we learned that the carrier Telus had started informing its users that, despite earlier indications from HTC that it would most certainly be releasing an Ice Cream Sandwich update for the Desire HD,the manufacturer had since changed its mind on the matter, apparently dissatisfied with the operating system’s performance on the handset, and was canceling its upgrade plans. That news sounded a bit odd, so we were happy to hear HTC respond to those claims earlier this week,indicating that everything was still on-track for the Desire HD getting ICS. We thought that was the end of this misunderstanding, but now things seem to be getting even more confusing, with HTC backing-down from its earlier statement, and releasing a new one that keeps the Desire HD’s ICS fate up-in-the-air. In just a few days, HTC’s position has gone from that it’s “still on schedule to deliver an Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade” for the Desire HD to that it’s “currently determining the ability to support Ice Cream Sandwich on the HTC Desire HD“, and it will “provide more information when we’ve completed our analysis“. That’s a huge shift from what we once knew of the Desire HD’s update,when it was scheduled to arrive sometime in July or August. With this change in HTC’s attitude, we’re also worried for the fate of ICS on the Thunderbolt, the Desire HD’s CDMA brother, once also scheduled for a July/August release."

Sorry if this was posted before, I just got home from work :)
[Desire HD General] animaleyes76:
It's canned 100% for all DHD's.
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
My battery's fine on aospX, so it'd have to be Sense causing any problems.

Time to hound the hell out of HTC methinks...
[Desire HD General] nemtan:
But there are ICS ROMs with Sense that run just fine, aren't there? Haven't used Sense since I rooted, but I've seen plenty of threads for them in the dev category.
[Desire HD General] ROBINGAZI:
Mine too...I get over a day on AOSP and 15-16 hours on stock rooted GB.
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
I don't use Sense ROMs either, but I note that those that do, do notice increased battery drain.

What we need now is a leak of the HTC test ROMs...

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+1

:good:

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Unfortunately, I have to agree. And I've had HTC phones for many years.
[Desire HD General] lrm537:
I feel the same way entirely. Although my DHD is only my second HTC phone, it will be my last. I was considering the One X, after this and some of the reported issues concerning the One x, but it's going to have to be a Nexus phone i think. I'm fed up with waiting for updates to months old OS's.
[Desire HD General] animaleyes76:
Keep your eyes on http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/

It will be updated shortly.

(UPDATED)
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
it shows it wont get update
[Desire HD General] animaleyes76:
exactly

* After extensive testing, we’ve determined that the current version of HTC Sense with Android provides customers with the best experience on the HTC Desire HD. When we consider new versions of software, we weigh a number of factors, but ultimately the customer experience on the product is the deciding factor. We apologize for any confusion this change may have caused our customers.
[Desire HD General] stiflingcobra:
Oh well I'm stuck with this phone until April next year but I'm dissapointed I won't be getting official ICS.

However the phone still works just fine tbh and it still does what I want. Sure its disappointing but it's not the end of the world.
[Desire HD General] shithead:
Quite sad ...

Now is the perfect time to pressure HTC for this. At least they can give us the kernel source code, right?
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Or quietly leak it...
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
its so stupid HTC , they anounce the isc list of phones getting ics which DHD WAS ON ; THEY UPADTE THE LIST WHICH dhd was still ON after 6 F::CKING months later they come up with this bul**** of weighing up stuff, I THINK THIS IS A WARNING SHOT FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GO THE HTC WAY PHONE WISE.
[Desire HD General] kb997:
Look at official HTC website

w w w.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/
[Desire HD General] animaleyes76:
trust me it's not getting it. that page will be updated shortly too...
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
+1

Sent from my Desire HD charged with ICS.
[Desire HD General] IMAGin_lv:
Ok... it's officially sad now. Would the Desire S kernel be usable to be ported for DHD? As that device is still on the list...
[Desire HD General] Djsam92:
i can't figure why desire s and incredible s will get the update while dhd won't..
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Because HTC hates us. I'm done with branded phones. I don't care if I'm sacrificing 3 MP in the camera, I will shortly be purchasing a Galaxy Nexus.

Sent from my Inspire 4G Tablet Mode
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Me neither...
[Desire HD General] shithead:
Me neither. Maybe HTC should hire some chefs from XDA here who could make ICS with Sense on our DHD (hint)
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
Can't believe this is true :eek:

Nauseating is the less I can say about HTC.

I think they have done the most ****ty decision of their life. I strongly hope they'll be paying their high price for fooling us all around and telling lies about our experience bla bla bla : they are selling many "newer and better" devices with the same or even minor technical specs with ICS already on board or already/going to be upgraded. They proved to think customers are just plain stupid. Reality is they just knew HTC is in this case, and the fact we are paying this on our own skill makes it the worst thing it happened to me as an experience with a company's support for a device. I had always chosen my buyings wisely enough, now I understand the feeling of being cheated in a very bad manner.

Also I'd like to say that since this is the most incredible decision for them, I guess they were just relying on this community to release upgrades. Think about it, how the hell could they do this wisely instead? We still have some bugs with camera and developers at xda/around don't seem to find a solution in the planned timeline so...let's just tag it as dropped. God bless me for all the times I adviced friends and parents to buy HTC, fool me.

Please guys, shout the word around. The (other) world must know.
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
+1 :good:
[Desire HD General] Rodix85:
Desire S is getting the update and DHD not!?!

Sorry HTC but this can't be true.

Now my biggest Problem is that Samsung phones are crap. Don't know what phone to buy. Definitely not an One X :-/
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Make everyone stop buying from HTC! Send HTC to thier own destruction! :mad:

Sent from my Desire HD charged with ICS.
[Desire HD General] shithead:
Exactly the same thoughts ...
[Desire HD General] cdordon:
Agreed. I wanted a One X for the longest time, but now that I see how easily HTC is willing to retract such a huge update, I will certainly not set myself up for this again. Samsung Galaxy Nexus, here I come.

Sent from my Inspire 4G Tablet Mode
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
We should really start posting our thoughts on HTC's Facebook Page. No one from HTC will read our hatred comments in this thread. Please post the same on their wall and let them know that we are not happy with the way they screwed us.

http://m.facebook.com/HTC?v=feed&ref=stream
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
it doesnt matter now, we need to move on and think which phone we will have next ;)
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
There's also their page I've posted those to some minutes ago here http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/

Others are doing it as well.
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
Yeah, true that it doesn't matter but at least we should tell them that we are not fools to believe what they just said about DHD. If we keep quiet it might mean that we agree to what they say.

Just my 2 cents.
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Nope. IMHO, unless we make our opinion heard, they'll think it's ok to treat their customers like idiots.
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
I feel having in my hands something that constantly makes fun of me.

Also, how can we advice others from HTC having an HTC? Good point. Not good for my wallet. I will catch the opportunity to answer the frequent question..."how do you feel with an HTC phone"...with my new feelings.
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
Exactly.. Unless we express our thoughts they won't realise that they are going to lose many customers. And posting on their Facebook wall will warn new HTC customers to think about their decision of buying another HTC mobile.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
i think they want a certain percentage of DHD user to get htc one x or s ,thats why they kilLed the update , they had a look at this from all corners before they cancelled , and decided not update , because the update is there; they worked on it for at least a good 6 months ,dont believe that the performance of dhd was bad, i believe that since desire s can run ics , htc granma can run ics so our DHD WILL FLY WITH IT
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
ok, it looks like it's been cancelled for real now. I cant say it's entirely unexpected and what really enjoys me about HTC is the debacle over these updates, first the desire will it wont it GB update and now this fiasco. The only real way out is to by a nexus device but I cant bring myself to buy the Galaxy Nexus so here's hoping for the next nexus and that its not manufactured by Samsung or HTC.
[Desire HD General] polar775:
sigh..
[Desire HD General] Nadirchine:
anyway thanks to Mike1986, LORD, CM team, Virtuous team, Primos, and all Rom developers which they made efforts ... but now , i am sorry ... it is the time to wake up and change......................... bye bye HTC
[Desire HD General] Gradjevinac:
Well this is just...sad :/

Why dont you HTC ask or give something to the devs on XDA, they are obviosly more capable then you are.... give them ICS kernel,drivers etc.. give them somthing 4 our DHD and they will make it GREAT for us.

Shame on you.

Its the best thing to buy NEXUS serias, they are allways up to date.

I realy loved HTC, and my Desire HD, but this is... uhhh

So, next phone is not gonna be HTC that is sure!

But its funny, they are hoping that all DHD users are going to BUY HTC One serias... thats main reason for this canceling...

BUT the are going to lose all DHD costumers now...
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
Sure but...well, I will not buy another device anytime soon.

Most of the devices out now are way similar to DHD.

They are selling us dual quad cores as they are going to change our lives. They could be a bit more snappy and good-looking, a bit, ok. But apart from little aspects, that's not true, imo, compared to DHD. It will be great enough, thanks to devs here, to "survive" almost another 6 months / an year :)

There's still many juice to drink...for example here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1778202&page=80 with JB, Google Now working and so on :D

It is just one of the many proves they are insulting us so badly. Shame on them. If they approved and took this decision, I think they are just getting nearer and nearer the "game over".
[Desire HD General] shithead:
Tbh.. i really hate they cancelled it.

But im not going to say i will never buy an HTC phone.

I really like their phones and gonna see what they will have in the future if im going to get a new phone
[Desire HD General] [secret]:
Seruously, give us kernel source or at least a leak with kernel 3 and **** off HTC. My apologize go to Telus, who was right all the time.

Its right that its actually not needed for HTC to release ICS for the DHD. Its almost 2 years old and no other company even tried updating their 2y old phones to ICS.

But to pretend to be the good-guy-company and say yes, than having trouble, than saying no... Thats just not acceptable.

But the fact which annoys me the most is actually that the Desire S and the Inc S still seem to get it. What the hell, these 3 devices are almost the same, isnt even the DHD the best one out of them? Noone can tell me to believe their bullsh... saying "poor performance blabla"

I know i might be overdoing all this... But its just that they seemed to be the good one in this chaos of "updating or not updating" story... Looks like i was wrong
[Desire HD General] trh1341:
Okay just stop now. Thus thread should be closed now...its going to be filled with useless comments and name calling
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
I made my father buy an Inc S just some time after I bought DHD myself. He got it refurbished, less then half the price of the DHD I paid, with full warranty. He got ICS more than a month ago, almost two if I don't remember bad. HTC is fooling us, full stop.
[Desire HD General] Gradjevinac:
trh1341 is working for htc :D
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
Will have to work hard to restrain the bad words floating around here, in other threads, on htc blogs, pages, fb, twitter etc etc etc :silly:
[Desire HD General] Gradjevinac:
I will quote my good frined Morpheus :D

"

Believe me when I say we have a difficult time ahead of us. But if we are to be prepared for it, we must first shed our fear of it. I stand here, before you now, truthfully unafraid. Why? Because I believe something you do not? No, I stand here without fear because I remember. I remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me but because of the path that lies behind me. I remember that for 100 years we have fought these machines. I remember that for 100 years they have sent their armies to destroy us, and after a century of war I remember that which matters most... We are still here! Today, let us send a message to that HTC company. Tonight, let us shake this cave. Tonight, let us tremble these halls of earth, steel, and stone, let us be heard from red core to black sky. Tonight, let us make them remember, this is XDA and we are not afraid"

:D
[Desire HD General] al2052:
Obviuosly performance cannot be the reason, the HTC Desire C is sold with Oficial Ice Cream Sandwich with Sense 4 and performs quite well at 600mzh compared to my Desire Hd and to be honest cant see any difference so for me i willnot lose any sleep apart from not having the late(est) release.
[Desire HD General] andalism:
This officially cements my decision to never buying another HTC phone again. The hell, it runs fine on the Inc s and desire s but not DHD?
[Desire HD General] estremodesign:
operation guys spam mail and other method ?
[Desire HD General] Enterprise-D:
Like everybody, I'm very disappointed...I think that my next phone will be probably a nexus...

And I hate their explanation wich doesn't explain anything. When I see the reason in HTC blog, I've the impression that they are mocking us with their "best experience"...
[Desire HD General] scaryshark:
That's because they want to give us crappy sense 3.6 because they thought the change from 3.x to 4.0 would be too confusing. Well... The nexus s guys who went from gb to ics didn't suddenly start exploding with confusion after the update. HTC is clearly just too lazy to bother with maintaing their "old" devices. Only that it's only as old as an iphone 4.
[Desire HD General] olyloh6696:
Yeah, unfortunately, that is the sad truth :(
[Desire HD General] Roby72:
That's why my next phone will be a nexus.... Even though I'm extremely happy with my DHD and I don't think I'll sell it too soon :-)
[Desire HD General] nikola92:
nah I don't know I am happy the way it is custom roms are pretty fast cammera isn'tmy priority on a phone, speed it is
[Desire HD General] z_sven:
This site was updated. Now they say that we will get ics on 9 July
[Desire HD General] olyloh6696:
Link please
[Desire HD General] irshansk:
http://www.tre.se/Privat/Kundservice/Mobilguider/Android-40-uppdateringar/
[Desire HD General] val4o88:
I hope so!
[Desire HD General] P00t:
Its almost July :))
[Desire HD General] robinmobile:
and still no leak?