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[Desire HD General] zelendel:
Look guys you can complain all you want but in the end unless it is a nexus then there are no promises of updates. And even if they do they have the right to change their minds for any reason they want. Why do you think XDA was founded. It was so people could learn to make things for their devices. Want something done right, then do it yourself.
[Desire HD General] 13770147:
Dats true.
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
Yea they had to drag their heels for 4 months checking that CarrierIQ was installed correctly on devices until Desire HD was 18 months old.

Sent from my last htc phone
[Desire HD General] K.Chan:
This is interesting, just out today:

http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-25072012/

EVO 3D	2.3.4	4.0.4	Approved by Vodafone, pending roll out by HTC. Keep an eye on our blog for further information.

Desire HD

(Vodafone and 3)	2.3.5	Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich	Awaiting submission of second round software by manufacturer to Vodafone for testing.

I wish Vodafone don't give a **** to HTC and just release their first submission of ICS :silly:

More info, it seem that it is HTC who don't give a **** to vodafone... LOL:

Kevin says:

Haven’t the ICS update for Desire HD been canceled by HTC?

Reply Wednesday, July 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm

Kieran McIlwain says:

Hi Kevin, the table above lists the most current information we have on the update and every device is checked before publication. At this stage we are still expecting HTC to deliver second round software to us shortly, however if that changes the news will be shared here.
[Desire HD General] DЯΦiDi@П:
The reason is much easier than most people think: HTC just ran out of money!

Look here

and here

and here

Any my money they will loose, too, because my next phone won't be a HTC, that's sure!

The hardware of the DHD is brilliant, and I don't give a **** about the crappy sense stuff. I fend against being told that a 2 year old 450 € device shall now be just a paper weight.
[Desire HD General] damaddy:
I got that news by news-ticker and wanted to post them, too.

I thought about the same, when I read the news.

No money for update + getting customers to buy htc one.
[Desire HD General] fizzy15:
thats what happened to branded android phone.. just get nexus or iphone
[Desire HD General] evronetwork:
Any ideas on how to create proprietary drivers for the DHD? ..I'm full of ears

P.S. I've spend quite some time with programming in the past as a university student, I'm willing to remove the "dust" out of me

if you are happy to tell me how and where to begin

P.S.2 We need these drivers from htc :}
[Desire HD General] pcusim:
That would be right if HTC had not declared they would update DHD to ICS, too.

What drives me mad is this U turn, clearly intended to push us Sense-addicts to their new One series.

These days I'm using the excellent ExistZ ICS ROM, but I miss so much all the Sense features, the real added value of HTC phones. Many little improvements that make HTC phones so user-friendly (i.e. HTC keyboard, HTC dialer, HTC contacts perfectly synced with Facebook, Viber and Whatsapp, the turn-to-silence feature, the turn-to-loudspeaker feature and all those beautiful widgets...).

That's the only thing that keeps me from switching to Nexus.

Anyway, I don't like at all the unremovable battery and the lack of a microSD slot on the One Series, so I'm very doubtful about my next phone.

The release of ICS would have given our DHD at leas one more year of life.
[Desire HD General] soleil10:
no more news
[Desire HD General] JmaSantos:
Lawsuit against HTC

Good afternoon.

I wanted to inform all of you that I'm DECO associated (Portuguese Consumer Protection), and after the participation of this situation (HTC Desire HD without upgrading to the ICS), now I have been contacted by the legal department of the DECO that it will proceed with a lawsuit against HTC.

When I have more news, I shared to all you !

:good:
[Desire HD General] Rendering:
Ahah great, thank you for the info
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
You can't be serious...

So are we going to sue everytime a company doesn't deliver?

It's a damn software upgrade people, its not the end of the world. Holy crap I'm seriously shocked some people are taking it so hard.
[Desire HD General] JmaSantos:
Sorry by shock you, but I buy my DHD two months ago and I only want the ICS update or the money I spent !

But, probably you're right ! Forget what I say !

Probably it was a mistake put this information here !

One more time, sorry to all !
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
The biggest thing you can do is just not buy HTC again.

No need to apologize though.
[Desire HD General] pcusim:
Jma Santos is absolutely right. When he bought his DHD he was mislead by HTC's statement that the phone would be updated to ICS and that's enaough for a lawsuit agaist HTC. Fair information would have probably oriented his choice towards other phones.
[Desire HD General] WarRaven:
I bought my dhd used based on the information that it would receive Ics. So I had no issue paying a fair price for something being supported by the manufacturer.

This kept the dhd with a higher reselling price then if it had been known of no further updates.

If they hadn't screwed around for so many months after Ics was released, they would not in this position, as well as telling us it was coming down the road. I have owned HTC phones since since wm5, now I look to Google's own manufacturer Motorola if HTC doesn't about face soon.

Sent from my Desire HD
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
My wife promised she would make me dinner and she didnt. Just gonna sue her real quick.
[Desire HD General] pcusim:
Funny, but I guess you didn't marry her expecting she would cook for you every night...

Apart from jokes, it's been an unfair commercial policy by HTC and it's against consumers' rights. I think that every person that bought a dhd after HTC's official statement that this phone would be upgraded has the right to a full refund or a compensation.
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
Didn't HP sued Oracle for Itanium server support? So in tech world, I assume suing someone for not fulfilling their promises might be legitimate. Assume all the customers who bought DHD after HTC promised ICS update.
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
Do their phones still work if its on GB?
[Desire HD General] pcusim:
You seem not to be getting to the point, Andrew.

When you choose a product to buy, you (should) consider all its features and charateristics.

In the case of DHD, many people bought it lately because HTC had officially stated that it would have been upgraded to ICS. That's a fact.

I believe you don't just consider if a phone just "works", do you?

There's plenty of low price phones working, out there, but you pay for what they're worth.

What if you bought a car with the promise of a free accessory to be delivered after some time and then they denied your accessory? That's exactly the same thing.

DHD had a price long higher than its technical specs would justify, unless you considered ICS upgrade.

Please note that I bought my DHD in december 2010, so I'm not pursuing my own interest. I'm just supporting people disappointed by HTC for not living up to their expectations.

Me and people like me might just be disappointed, but people who bought a DHD after HTC had promised the upgrade have the RIGHT to start a lawsuit. That's basic consumers' right and I'm sure they will be compensated.
[Desire HD General] rohithksaj:
hey . .

Whatz the need of this thread now. .

Its pretty sure that htc is nt gng to release ics for us . .

Thats confirmed . .

So it means that we (ppl who have rooted ) is patrly screwed . . .

But the fully screwd ones are the ppl who havent rooted . . .

Atleast we cn change the rom to sense 4 romz lyk infinity which workz g8 wid 3 kernel . .

But what abt d otherz . . .? ? ?

Go to hell htc . . .
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
If I payed for that car accesory and they promised I would have it, then I would be pissed. If people bought the phone based off the fact its getting ICS, then I would be a little annoyed, but not pissed. Why? It's a phone. Can't compare a phone to a car. Gingerbread works perfectly on our phones.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
The point is, our phones can handle it and htc says it can't. That's the problem.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] marsdta:
I somewhat agree. I think the bigger issue is how it was handled. I'm a fan of being honest and direct though that has gotten me in trouble quite a few times. They should of just said look we reevaluated ics on the dhd and we decided that it won't be upgraded. Done. Ultimately its their decision.

We here at xda are a minority. Yeah many of us have a big say in what others buy.(ie family friends) but it still doesn't compare to the size of the average consumer. That's there bread and butter. If they don't care HTC won't bother.

Am I a little disappointed? Yes but that's it. Am I still going to recommend HTC to others? Yes
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
+1

Even if they would have said - shucks, we can't afford it or whatever other honest reason, I could live with that. Until then, they will feel my wrath until I find something else better to do :D

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] dh.harald:
I don't know, is it matter or not, but some comments like this from HTC FB:

"We are sorry hear that you feel frustrated. Please know that you are being heard, and we are passing this feedback along internally. As new information becomes available we will be sure to keep you updated here and on our ICS blog: http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/."
[Desire HD General] ensassin:
Andrew, How much did you get paid from HTC for saying peoples shouldn't take serious on this? They broke their promise and they dont even satisfied of breaking peomise to customers DesireC and OneV rrunning sense4 smoothly when DesireHd is poor performance even for sense 3.6

If you are not interested in this petition at all. Stop talking like PeterChou is your step father :cool

Sent from my last HTC phone.
[Desire HD General] Bendolfc:
Disappointing but can sort of see where they are coming from, my work Sensation (which I can't root due to it being work property nor can I be bothered to) is absolutly ****e since the ICS update, most of the time it runs slow and is just frustrating to use. HTC certainly ballsed that update up.
[Desire HD General] clouds5:
They should just release all the stuff we need to build ics custom Roms that are fully working with camera and everything. No one around here uses stock Rom on dhd anyway :) at least I think so.
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
I love your response. Promises? I see that you are a student. Once you get out of school, you can't rely on promises in the real world. That won't get you anywhere.

Yes I signed the petition. Only because its going to help in the future, I hope. Maybe HTC will see it and realize that they goofed and will take some measure next time to not let it happen. But as it stands right now, it won't help our situation now, only the future.

We aren't going to get ICS, face it. In an industry where its trendy and cool to have the latest gadget, they aren't going to focus on older tech. The money is in the new stuff and they know people will upgrade and or buy the latest.

Trust me, don't rely on promises, you are only going to get burned. Blame the huge money making selfish corporations, not me.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
That is why we ought to see this to the end. It is up to us, the consumers to tell them what we want. (Keep in mind my previous posts).

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
I'm just never going to buy a HTC product again. That's my role in all this.
[Desire HD General] bluizzo:
okay out of curiosity, i was looking up the chip set for the dhd on wiki and ive noticed that a few of the htc phones that has the similar chip are updated to ics. (for example the sensation xl & the one V(almost similar specs) and non htc devices like sony's xperia and the at&t version of the Gnote and the epic 2 4g) with the same chip and similar or close to similar specs, why is it a problem for htc to release ics? i mean if a good line up of their phones are using chips that where created 2yrs back when the DHD got it, then why are they wasting time and money on something thats "obsolete"? i know its been discussed billions of times on here, but i have to ask, Really!? the sensation XL's little brother cant handle the heat? and thats the same that goes with the MT4GS. if the sensatin can handle ics with sense 3.6 or 4.0, then why no ics for 4g Slide?(unless tmoblie deals with the OTAs for the mytouch line)
[Desire HD General] Dredead:
I allude to my previous post

The timing is undeniable. The phone is almost two years old... Contracts are almost up. HTC profits have been documented to be down something insane and they need us to upgrade.

Unfortunately though this little maneuver is causing most to upgrade to a different brand as they don't want to have to experience this again in the future.

I have watched this update schedule go from the end of Jan, to Feb, to march, to April, to Jully/August and finally, to cancellation. The saddest part is that the majority of the company doesn't even seem to be aware
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
I have to give you credit for keeping this thread alive. Without your negativism (which doesn't make it less true) the discussions wouldn't have been so interesting.

However right you may be, it does, in a way, could persuade others to deter their efforts. On the other hand it could give them the proper motivation. Who knows what your intention was. Perhaps it was even just to express an opinion.

Oh, and to give the previous member some credit, it did also cross my mind that you were an htc employee. After checking your profile, it seemed unlickly.

Have a good one.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
I don't really see negativism in my posts. Reality is a better word.

Like I said before, I signed the petition. But if everyone of us that signed the petition never bought HTC again, it would make a MUCH bigger impact.

Yup, it sucks the Desire isnt getting ICS (officially). I even have my doubts about my Atrix getting it. But hit them where it hurts more, in the wallet.

I'm never buying HTC again and I'm telling all my friends not to either due to poor software support.
[Desire HD General] Quinny899:
Second one is IMO. Even references your name in lower case, just as you typed it.
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
I think I have to agree with Andrew in this case. People are going too far about all this ICS update for DHD.

My own actions againt this arrogant and horrible company like HTC Corporation will be abandon their products in the future and never recommended it to my friend and family.
[Desire HD General] omario8484:
Haha I do agree with this man ...unless there's an enourmous amount of people more than 10 grand HTC could care less...I just feel the sad part is that half of their company doesn't know what the hells going on...they.changed their story and than finall they cancelled it....poor by them but to be honest I will buy another htc phone once my contract is out because for me I don't want just vanilla amdroid or etc...I bought the I4g because sense makes it unique..I can't stay on a non sense Rom for a while before flashing back to a sense one and we have a fully working sense 4 Rom which I'm using....kinda don't see the reason of.this thread anymore tbh

---------- Post added at 03:20 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:15 AM ----------

Thats just my opinion!
[Desire HD General] zelendel:
3 years ago and i would have agreed with you completely, I used to buy HTC partly due to Sense. I loved it. But they killed it with Android. Mix that with carriers blocking updates and OEM changing their story I have had it. I love HTC hardware so if they ever make another Nexus I will first in line but when it comes to android which is mostly about the coding ill stick to the developers device. What ever OEM makes it.
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
The point is they lied. Period. They lied about it getting ICS, and they lied when TELUS pulled ICS 2 days before it was supposed to roll out after TELUS moved the date up because ICS is complete, then HTC states that they are still going forward with ICS for DHD only to cancel it a few days later. They have it, it works, it is complete. Collusion on both parties, same interests, obvious lies. This is an illegal business practice in the majority of countries.

How does TELUS move up the date because they are ready and then magically discover they aren't ready due to poor performance? LIES!

How does HTC state that they are still on track with ICS regardless of TELUS decision only to then cancel it several days later citing the same rhetoric and lies that TELUS just spit out? COLLUSION!

We know for a fact they are lying.

Bring this to court. This is just one battle of many, on many different fronts we need to start winning.
[Desire HD General] trh1341:
Please continue to sue! Some people don't realize what impact this has because HTC lied!
[Desire HD General] pcusim:
I believe a man has to fight for his rights. I don't kow if HTC will give up, but I sure know that its customers who bought the phone after their statement have the right to be refunded. That's it.

It was official. It was positive. So they just HAD to upgrade.

I'm not going to stay on this subject anymore.

I work with law, so I should know smething about it...
[Desire HD General] imprashast:
Virtuous Team is working hard...im about to test the rom for my inspire
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
+1
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
Well said. There definitely is some conspiracy with the cancellation of this update. Someone should bring them to court so that we can get to know the actual facts.
[Desire HD General] bogddy87:
in my oppinion it's not a conspiracy. HTC have so f...ing many problems due the last update for some devices. Now i have a HTC Sensation ( sold my old DHD :D ), but i have so many problems after official ICS update. That update had screwed up my wifi, bluetooth an fmradio. I've had a conversation last week with HTC and they told me " we will not relese any other updates untill ours engineers will fix whole problems with last ICS upgrade". Now, i don't know if that's only for Sensation devices or for any HTC device...But at this moment, HTC have hard job to do cause all their repairing services ar busy with HTC Sensation devices :))

In some way, that lastes update, affect Broadcom chipset and it's stop to working...
[Desire HD General] sonnysoul:
Well 11,000 people have signed the petition; let's see what they decide to do, although I expect it will be nothing.
[Desire HD General] dhd1802:
you think people signing a petition is going to far :confused: do you think we should do something less extreme like burning their local offices down :laugh:
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
I think he's talking about the law suits.
[Desire HD General] alge30:
After gingerbread update(long time ago), I have a lot of problems with my dhd, but still, they released update, some users have problems some don't, after all discussion with HTC(and no problem solved), I decided to root my phone, and I'm not regret! :)
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
ass*holes !!

Thank you for taking the time to contact us here at HTC email tech support. I will be more than happy to provide you some information regarding this matter.

I do apologize Amir, but the HTC Desire HD is not scheduled to receive this update to the Ice Cream Sandwich. Our technicians test the update with each device and only release it for the devices that will benefit from the update. If the update is not released for your device, then HTC has decided that it may cause more issues rather than improve the performance of the phone.
[Desire HD General] alge30:
Now we have more stuff on our side: security stuff :)

Please read the article :)

Hacking Conference Exposes Multiple Android Security Holes – Play Store, NFC and Old Versions of Android Vulnerable

PHANDROID | JULY 26, 2012

http://pulse.me/s/bBzo1

Last night, we told you guys about a security hole in Android that was to be revealed at a security conference called Black Hat 2012. Well today, corp... read more

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http://pulse.me
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
That's interesting.
[Desire HD General] alge30:
Exactly, this is the only chance for us, "give us what we want or else" :))
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Probably this could turn things to our side.

Reciting from http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/

Upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.0 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support as needed.

At least they have to do something about it, either 2.3 fix for that or by going to 4.0 on DHD
[Desire HD General] alge30:
Maybe, but I doubt that they gonna release any fix, if Google hasn't. Or maybe they will?
[Desire HD General] Ruthlesspookie:
Wait , Okay so Were nit getting the Android 4.0 update for DHD? Which means no stable sense 4.0 ROMs? :mad::confused:
[Desire HD General] iluatutu:
The official ics for desire HD would be laggy that's why custom roms are more smoother and stable
[Desire HD General] Kuzzy81:
Virtuous team are already on the verge of making a stable sense 4.0 rom.. They have an alpha release atm which looks quite impressive..
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
GO TO engadget.com/ 2012/07/27/htc-one-x-might-drop-to-100-on-contract-at-att/#comments

And say how you feel about DHD and ICS In comments and 11000signitures

GO NOW
[Desire HD General] evronetwork:
+1

Left my message there too
[Desire HD General] Ruthlesspookie:
Oh really? That's Great :D any screen shots of anything? Lol
[Desire HD General] bobyracer2:
i think its only a marketing plan... they should (at least i hope) "release" a leak or a pure android RUU for us but later not this summer.. they did the same thing with the Desire...

also there are still on the update list the Desire S, incredible S , Rhyme (that have exactly the same hardware) and even thunderbolt that is the same phone as the desire hd.. only front camera that dhd dosent have... so the fact is that our phone is still the best as price/quality ratio... if they were upgrading our phones they could loose a lot of moneys not selling thei ****ty HOS and HOX... this is how i see it.. :P troll
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Bad mistake if it is, a lot of us here won't be buying non nexus HTC devices in future and certainly won't be recommending family or friends purchase them either.
[Desire HD General] littleluke79:
Come on - tried it - there's no chance for normal use yet. The phone i s so laggy, that you have to wait for anything you touch. Besides that, camera doesn't work anyway
[Desire HD General] RedDevil46:
Sensation XL, Incredible s and desire S receve ICS. Why not DHD?! Desire C have ics and it is a very crap smartphone. I hope that HTC will update Desire HD and Inspire 4G becouse they can handle Ice Cream Sandwich with no problems. That it!

This is a dejavu for who had a Desire.

Inviato dal mio GT-I9300 con Tapatalk 2
[Desire HD General] bosas200:
You are from Sweden? Maybe you can contact them and ask? ;) That would be very helpful for us :)
[Desire HD General] commando0:
if its july then leak should have hit by now .........

at least some sort of beta leak .....
[Desire HD General] chrisund123:
It's not impossible that no-one has been bothered to leak it, but it's not too likely.

The info on the 3 website does look legit, but I'm not too hopeful that it'll be released then...
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Yeah I could do that :)
[Desire HD General] BigMango:
No not because of hardware. HTC said we will get sense 3.6 because too many users would complain if the update makes the phone look & behave too different.

The lambda user doesn't like change.
[Desire HD General] 13770147:
Well...I dont like sense 4.0 UI actually.

I prefer sense 3.5 look.

:good: