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[Desire HD General] hamdir:
i have insider access now and im telling you all "HOLD ON"

i wrote like tens posts before condemning HTC about their DHD decisions, but now I "know" better, i still think its a stupid mistake given that the exact same thing happened with the classic desire

they are listening and not at all happy with how things ended up, there is a very high chance good news is coming, its not all dark and evil like you assume at first

sorry i can't say more for now, more info in the coming days

by the way they have over a million Desire HD user :)
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
If that's true then... :good:
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
i think what proves that they are not BSing is the virtuous rom

you can see random it is for the camera, for some it works, for other it doesn't

they seem to have many vendors for the camera on the DHD and if one of those vendors failed to supply ICS drivers it means the entire update is impossible, they can't issue the update

anyway all we know for now, something is cooking

so cross your fingers
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Your post, sir, made curious about what is happening next. More two weeks i´m left in the dark, since the telus thing happened. They should hurry up with new news. The longer it last, the more damage is done. I hope you understand that i don`t want to offend you, but a user claiming that he has "insider news", whilst htc is silent, doesn`t change a thing for me. What`s the point in telling you and not everyone, if you don`t work for htc, what makes you more trusty for them, than me or everyone else? ;)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
its pretty established that there are selected HTC customers (regulars and people who proved their loyalty) that receive HTC elevate memebership, a kind of insider club with HTC and they are pretty transparent with them

look it up "htc elevate"

anyway i just meant to tell you hold on, all is not lost yet

they can't make anything public until they are 100% sure especially after all this mess
[Desire HD General] Madaz2:
good news Hamdir

i cant believe they outsourced so many different hardware components, how did they think that wasn't going to bite them in the ass
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Doesn`t make this better for me, either ^^. I don`t want to get a membership on htc elevate, to get a transparent view on things, whilst official statements are squishy or wrong. They are not sure, so why officially cancel an update and not delay it, until things are sure :confused:.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
you are right about this one

this relates to the volume of sale on the DHD but yea its the one with most variations

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yea good point, mistakes....

cancelled when they gave up and now reacted after the social media disaster and the PR team got hell

exact same story with the classic desire GB cancellation
[Desire HD General] Madaz2:
hense why other models are easier to update

they quickly learned not to use so many different parts plus by then all other models after the DHD weren't so sought after
[Desire HD General] walent:
If you haven't seen my thread, i got info that we will get an update.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1806817
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
hmm, strange, now even Vodafone have changed their ICS upgrade path information (TBA) regarding to DHD - blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-01082012/ and are pointing it to the htc blog...

so, what happened to the software piece that they got from HTC for the testing ???
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
be patient guys
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Should they release a half cooked rom? Man that would be epic. HTC not releasing ics and vodafone throwing out a half cooked bugged rom, as if the situation is not messed up enough, lol. HTC is holding information back or vodafone isn`t allowed to say something, so vodafone can only refer to official announcement of htc.

Sigh, i wish i could have a talk to peter chou and darren krape, what their roadmap for the next two years is, and saying them, if they,

in my opinion

, are heading the wrong or right way, with this company.
[Desire HD General] d3sperad0:
I'd like to believe you. Taking a strangers word on the internet for it seems silly. I guess time will tell.
[Desire HD General] cyablo:
The "to be announced" in the Vodafone Weekly Wrap is indeed a little strange but I think it means nothing :(
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
Things like this (social media disaster, petitions, angry customers, etc) will not happens if it is happened to less-popular models such as Rhyme or Desire Z, but this mess is occured to Desire HD, one of the most popular and once the most expensive HTC phones ever! So no wonder a lot of people is angry and swear not to buy HTC phones again (that's include me). So if Hamdir insider informations is legit, let see what decisions they gonna take to fix their ridiculous mistakes.
[Desire HD General] riahc3:
Why was my thread merged? This is a thread about ICS...My thread was encouraging users to email HTC/Qualcomm (which Qualcomm isnt even mentioned in this thread) for their promise.
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
got this reply from HTC this evening:

"Your case has been raised to a higher level for further investigation.

We are currently investigating this issue as a matter of urgency.

Thank you for your patience.

Best regards,

HTC Technical Supervisor"
[Desire HD General] val4o88:
Got this reply from HTC this evening:

Dear V........ V.........,

Thank you for contacting HTC.

Dear Valentin, we do apologize but kindly be informed that unfortunately HTC Desire HD will not receive ICS 4.0 update. After extensive testing, we've determined that the current version of HTC Sense with Android provides customers with the best experience on the HTC Desire HD. When we consider new versions of software, we weigh up a number of factors, but ultimately the customer experience on the product is the deciding factor.

Regarding your request, kindly note that we at HTC take customer comments and suggestion very seriously. We can assure you that we will send your comments and complain to our engineers and technicians to investigate. In turn, they will contact HTC Global,hoping that they will take it into their consideration as soon as possible.

Once again, we do apologize for any confusion this change may have caused our customer.

Respect & Regards,

HTC Technical Support Team
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Its was merged as your thread was about getting ICS support for the Desire HD. Therefore it belongs with the rest of the ICS discussion.

With the announcement of no ICS for the Desire HD this place filled up with duplicate threads telling the same old story that had been posted 15 times that day.

So now everything ICS related gets put in here. If you honestly believe it does not belong with the rest of the ICS discussion, feel free to recreate it.
[Desire HD General] bogduke:
There are plenty ICS ROMs in beta right now. Soon they'll evolve into stable releases and everyone will be happy. HTC made it clear: no ICS. Just wait and support devs. End of story. This thread should be close.
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Ah how easy it is, don`t blame a company for broken promises, just keep your mouth shut and wait someone else doing their job, for free...

At least they should release kernel sources htcdev.

So for me this isn´t over yet, but maybe i`m just too idealistic.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
HTC never promised anything. They confirmed that the DHD was on the upgrade list, but after testing they felt it would negatively impact user experience.

Read into that what you will, I never bought the phone expecting to get endless software updates, the handset (for me) is almost 2 years old.

HTC have not remotely "shut down" our handsets, they still work, very well. The possible update could have jeopardised that for over 95% of the normal users who don't root nor know what XDA is.

Now, I wholeheartedly agree HTC should offer source code for the kernel they wished to use for any future update to the developer community.
[Desire HD General] gtramt1:
+1
[Desire HD General] okyereemma:
It will be better if HTC release the RUU or even just the kernel to development team at XDA so we can work on it.

Cause we all know ICS works just fine on Desire HD
[Desire HD General] gtramt1:
guys, HTC wont release ICS for DHD because they are developing JB for our devices....:silly::silly::silly::silly:
[Desire HD General] Venom0642:
The B should of been Beer lol.:laugh:
[Desire HD General] Floep:
OK "promised" was the wrong word for that. Maybe i should call it misleading marketing? And yet the sources of ics were released 12/13 month after dhd was released, the announcment for upgrade were in February(6 Months no dementi, 6 Month a plus argument on lately saled DHD devices). That the handset is now about 18 month old is no excuse. The whole user expirience thing is to squishy for me, while seeing desire s upgrade not being cancelled. And yet the vendors announced 18 month updates on android google IO 2011(Yes i know, dhd was released before).

So ok no official ics, but a release on htcdev and downloadable ruu, would be not an act of kindness, it would be more like a excuse for this mess.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
You sure? Unless you have access to an elevated part of Elevate, HTC pretty solidly confirm that it aint coming.
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
But this kind of whispering is the reason I wont recommend HTC devices for people looking for a future proof device, HTC's PR department should have learnt from the Desire debacle and kept stumm until they have something definite. If, as your suggesting, they cant get ICS drivers for some of the HW modules for ****sake tell us it would shift some of the ire away from HTC. If they have something then they should man up and release the kernel source ASAP that would placate us techies and shut us up for a while and stop most of the negative PR, I know any official update will impact my user experience as it will give me SENSE :crying:
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
LIKE:good:

:laugh:
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
HTC has teams dedicated to different devices the Desire HD is a snapdraon2 platform, the update is already 90% finished

just the technical issues that stopped it, a workaround is being contemplated

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im no stranger

im HamdiR :D an XDA RC and now an HTC elevate

you can be sure i'll help you guys where i can
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
DEAR HAMDIR ,

CAN YOU EXPLAIN ABOUT CONtemplated A LITLE MORE ?:)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
i said it all yesterday, can't say more for now
[Desire HD General] Mustaavalkosta:
This is what I just got after 2 weeks of teasing Finnish customer service with questions about technical inconsistencies in their PR talk. Yesterday they finally got fed up with me and forwarded my enquiry to higher level which will contact me in English (by their own words). And this is the result.

Seems to be at least inline with hamdir's claims that they're reacting to this public outcry, but I can't really tell anymore as the trust is already gone.

Edit: Their "higher level" appears to be this (as it states the replier was in their reply form): HTC Customer Care (UK - Ireland Support (Tech))
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
YEA I SAW THAT YESTERDAY:good:
[Desire HD General] sonnysoul:
To be fair mate, the device was only 12 months old when ICS was released. The DHD was released October 19th 2010, and ICS released October 19th 2011. The ICS source code was released less than a month later, so DHD owners should be forgiven for expecting an update.

Jelly Bean has since been released, when the DHD was 21 months old so you could argue DHD owners shouldn't expect to get JB but in all fairness, there aren't any technical limitations. All we need are the drivers and the kernel.

I for one have given up on Android after being such a loyal fan. The OS fragmentation is just ridiculous. Manufacturers need to learn from Apple and stop releasing so many devices each year and cut down to just a couple. We wouldn't have this issue now if HTC had released only 2 Android devices each year. However, since the DHD was released, they have released a staggering 31 Android phones! 31 from November 2010 to June 2012. That's 31 Android phones in 19 months. Is there any wonder why they are doing badly financially? It is ridiculous. If you don't believe me just check out the list I've attached. I'm so fed up with this model that I moved to iPhones earlier this year, and I haven't yet regretted it. It just doesn't add up. Why on Earth release so many devices knowing very well that Android updates will be released. It's just daft.
[Desire HD General] pcusim:
I can understand you, but I wouldn't go back to iPhone in any case. Much too closed, much too limited, much too boring...

Thay say it's safe, well, it's as safe as never exiting your bedroom. You bet it's safe!

I'd rather choose a Nexus phone, instead, giving me almost immediate updates.

Anyway, I hope Hamdir's news is true and we'll have a surprise, but I have to say that my DHD is the best phone I ever owned and, ICS or not, I don't regret chosing it.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
I see your point and its perfectly reasonable that DHD owners could expect the update. HTC never said we were not getting an update, just that the update they proposed impacted on user experience after testing. Slightly difference I feel from just ignoring the update, they tried, but failed.

Personally I don't buy a (any) handset based on the Android version it supports, nor do I buy one just for the OS. For me its the feature-set that handset offers me.

I wanted a larger screen for my next handset, so I was tempted by the GNote. Then the One X is officially announced and it has a 4.7 + Tegra 3. Those are the features I wanted.

Not the manufacturer, although my last 5-6 devices were HTC's. That's purely because at the time of purchase they offered the features I wanted.

I have nothing against Apple, nor iPhones. They offer an experience (IMO) unparralled to Android, the very fact that the OS & the hardware are designed to work together perfectly all the time. They just do not have the features I want.

TL;DR - Buy a handset based on the features it has, not the OS you think it should run.
[Desire HD General] zelendel:
Couldn't have put it better myself.
[Desire HD General] sonnysoul:
I do agree with you, but what I've found in the past is if you don't have the newer version of Android OS, it's not just OS updates you're missing but also many app updates. Many developers simply stop supporting the older OS versions.

Don't get me wrong though, I've said many times during the lead up to this ICS update farce, that we shouldn't really expect ICS as we bought the device as is, so HTC don't really have to give us any updates. I just feel for the customers out there who went out and bought the device after HTC said it would be getting the ICS update. The whole situation doesn't really matter too much to me, because as I said, I'm now an iPhone user, but I imagine many new DHD owners feel they have been misled.

Here's hoping Hamdir's information is correct. The strange bit is though, that HTC never said anything about different Camera components, there reason was the partitioning of the disk which would need a full wipe. Only time will tell, I guess.

If one thing's for sure, it's that this whole drama really does make one hot topic for discussion! Lol!
[Desire HD General] Andy:
If you bought a phone that was released over a year ago, you shouldn't expect too much.

If you bought it on the premise of a future update then maybe you have a valid case for a refund, I guess that may not hold much weight as HTC do not sell handsets, even the "official" HTC Shop is not operated by them.

As a member of HTC elevate also, I wouldn't read into too much about HTC reversing their decision. At best maybe kernel source code.

What I gather from the official response by HTC is that disk-partitioning aside the experience users will receive would be sub-par. I've not seen anything official about the cameras. As a consumer I understand why they would not want to piss off 95%+ of users to appease the 5% that want the update.
[Desire HD General] geko1966:
+1 :victory:

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I do think that the pressure is on HTC right now..... petitions hitting them hard, bad publicity on the android forums and news portals about DHD!!!

Sooner ore later i think, that we will have a clean ICS version for the DHD without the sense.... pardon me...CRAP!! on HTC dev and from there xda devs will take over and give us some ultra great Roms!!

Check out if U haven´t already...... the Jelly thread, Virtuous, Blackout and last but not least the Ice cold....until the Lord closed it down a few days ago...witch is understandable....since He does not have a DHD to work on....but what a great ROM....used it for nearly a year.....now i am on the Jelly by randomblame.....with Grand names like LorD ClockaN, existz, synergye, paulb_nl, and last but not least CyanogenMod....as it is an unofficial CM ROM, to back up around the project!!!!

Now to make things easier.....HTC just have to release a clean ICS version for DHD, like they did with GB for desire....if my brain serves me right......Sheeit.....getting older!!!.....:cyclops:
[Desire HD General] abzza:
I really hope that hadimir is right.

In my own opinion it sounds like very plausible issue - taking into consideration that unofficial releases are struggling with this and also that HTC chooses multiple camera vendors could indicate strategic business decision which have backfired now.

Anyways still optimistic otherwise I must consider One X.
[Desire HD General] Floep:
First user-experience,

second partition and user experience,

then camera?

They should better be working on that update, rather than searching for an bullet-proof excuse.

Would be a nice game though: XDA-Mythbusters for update cancelation: confirmed/plausible/busted

It looks like they are scratching on that egde in development forum already. If someone solves cam prob what would come next?

With ics, the relative humidity in european states, are effecting flux-capacitor, so interaction with screen can break 0,0000005 percent of devices, while the user is hearing fm-radio and dancing at the same time? ;) Just kidding
[Desire HD General] geko1966:
Well.... I will wait for a while....but after what they pulled with the DHD....I think HTC is no go for me next time....perhaps only if it is a Nexus...and again...once U get rooting into Ure system....U just cannot let go........so I will probably root even if it is a Nexus! :D
[Desire HD General] mehrshadkh:
I bought the phone more than one year ago and my brother bought Galaxy S at the same time. At that time Desire HD was the best sold phone on HTC and Galaxy S for Samsung. As each 4 update on Galaxy S we earned only one update. Htc is realy bad company on device supports. You may say that now Desire HD is old but look at the time wich icecream sandwich released not now that we passed 6 month. I'm sure with my experience on two devices and their support my next phone would be samsung for sure. Samsumg said that galaxy s is not capable of icecreamsandwich but they release their pack on time... HTC is too slow and their support is realy bad or I can say it's the worst...!
[Desire HD General] Floep:
New bad news from HTC, shares dropped by another 3.65% recently and Smartphone maker HTC posts 58 percent profit drop

New good news on ics blog, but not for DHD users :rolleyes:

2 August 2012: ICS for Verizon Wireless HTC Rezound, and Sprint HTC EVO 3d and HTC EVO Design

We are pleased to announce that the Android 4.0 update is now available for three more devices. The Verizon Wireless HTC Rezound Android 4.0 update is now available (additional details). The Ice Cream Sandwhich update for the Sprint HTC EVO 3D and HTC EVO Design has also started rolling out (additional details).

Tired of waiting :( next handset will be definetly a nexus, regardless they are changing their mind on DHD upgrade.
[Desire HD General] kalbasnik:
Really strange decision from HTC indeed, since Google's previos phone Nexus S (December 2010) got the upgrade from 2.3 to 4.1.1??? Of course it does not have the bloated Sense...
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
The DHD is capable of running vanilla ICS, so would have received it as a Nexus device it would've got it.
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
GUYS ! WHER ARE YOU ?

ANYBODY THERE ?

GUYS !

DISTURB THEM , ASK THEM FOR UPDATE OR ICS RUU OR KERNEL SOURCES .

WHY THIS THREAD IS SO SILENT ?

DONT GET OUT OF HERE TILL VIICTORY !:highfive:
[Desire HD General] brada1983:
yeah thats right wooohooo email spaaaaaaam!!!!!
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
:good:

LIKE THAT SIGNATURE:laugh:
[Desire HD General] q:):
Winnie Churchill: "never give up!"
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
We've all moved on to JB Roms now we know the official ICS isn't coming, 3.X kernel development is gathering pace and I don't doubt we'll soon be miles ahead of wherever HTC got to in development.
[Desire HD General] tammohawk:
I don't think this has been mentioned/caught yet, but I was just checking HTCDev's site today and just noticed that there are downloads available for the ChaCha with Android 4.0. I'm a bit confused and somewhat disappointed, as I believe they had previously said the ChaCha was among the devices that would NOT be getting 4.0.

If HTC is willing to update the ChaCha, I feel that they should put even more effort in the DHD, which is their flagship phone. At the very least, as repeated by many of us in the forums, release the kernel/sourcecode on HTCdev in lieu of a proper OTA update.

I was going to post links in this post, but since I'm a relatively new user, I'm unable to do so at the moment. If I can send the screenshots to someone else, or someone else takes screenshots, that'd be great!
[Desire HD General] dazzasky:
People are already aware. It's old news.
[Desire HD General] KriwilAbiz:
They miss labeled it. If you look the detail of the file, it's named chacha-gb-mr-2.6.35-18246ee.zip. I assume that you know what GB stands for. ;)
[Desire HD General] snak3ater:
So far JB is working great for the dhd..
[Desire HD General] riahc3:
So basically you just bent over and let HTC anally rape you, right?

You were promised a ICS update. FIGHT FOR IT DAMN IT........I cant stand it.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
No need to be offensive !
[Desire HD General] stiflingcobra:
Why bother with ICS if we can get a fully working JB Rom??
[Desire HD General] KriwilAbiz:
You seem very confident using "fully working" words. There are something that require official source in order to properly work, camera for example. Current camera can't do touch for focus and can't record 720p video both in ICS or JB. If HTC release the DHD source code for ICS, JB will give even more delighting experience. That source is what we struggling for.
[Desire HD General] snak3ater:
Seriously who cares now if htc promised an ics update for the dhd..LC rom is running great so to hell with HTC..JB is also on its way but not fully stable yet.so lets see fingers crossed :)
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Jelly time has touch focus
[Desire HD General] Durandil:
Is there anyone with omnivision sensor who can use an ICS rom with a working camera ?

Every ROM thread has a "patch" (virtuous infinity for example) but it doesn't work.

As I can't read 170+ pages, can anyone explain me why it's so hard to make a working driver for the camera ?

Thanks
[Desire HD General] robinmobile:
I wonder what we gonna do when key pure lime arrives... LOL.
[Desire HD General] Dredead:
We'll probably be in another thread, crying over our One X's not being updated almost 12 months after it does lol
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Lol......

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