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[HTC Rezound] xdadevnube:
It seems to me that upgrading any of the lines past the cutoff date will end unlimited on that line. You should be able to swap SIM cards with any number of phones you want without issue.

The reason I doubt Verizon would go to the extreme and disable unlimited on a line because of a SIM swap is that people swap their SIMs all the time. Get in a bind, bust your phone, and need to make a call? Put your SIM into somebody's phone. Verizon is going to be nuking the majority of network congestion by preemptively preventing iPhone 5 users from bogging the network. They also know that many of us can't afford a flagship phone at full retail cost, so many people will opt out of unlimited there. This basically leaves us die-hards who keep using the same phone, buy used, or purchase new phones at retail cost.

I would think that is a small percentage of users, especially as time passes and our once new-and-shiny-toys are rendered obsolete.

I could be wrong, but I can imagine the tech support call now:

User: "WTF, my battery died and I had to use my friend's phone with my SIM to make a call, now I only have a 2GB plan."

Agent: "Too bad, you should have thought about that before you did that SIM swap."

User: "Are you serious?"

Agent: "Don't hate me, hate the man."
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
while I agree with you, what I think they will do, is if you upgrade one line, and then within a few days move that phone to another line they will consider you cheating their system and change your plan.

This would be considered taking someone else's upgrade, and therefor upgrading yourself, which could take you right off the unlimited plan.
[HTC Rezound] Caladus:
Hmmm. Will this mean that only SIM swapping is viable after the cutoff date? Even when we buy a MSRP new phone?
[HTC Rezound] cstrife999:
I have used other lines upgrades on mine before and still have unlimited. I don't think they can take unlimited away if you upgrade a line other than your own. For instance to get my rezound I used my gf's upgrade then kept her phone on her line and switch the rezound to mine. I think/hope we can still do that.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
I think the question is on family plans. Once you upgrade 1 line, it is going to put that 1 line on a shared plan. That might mess up everyone's data.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Yeah, that's the part that seems screwy--what's the point of shared data if not all the lines on a plan are sharing data?

I just want to know the plans. We're speculating and it seems like one huge cluster**** right now. Too many questions, no answers.
[HTC Rezound] movielover76:
They said you get dropped off unlimited if you take a subsidized device and hence sign a new contract, you can buy any phone you want and swap the sim card. You probably can even buy it at the Verizon store, because you don't have to sign a new contract to pay MSRP, though I'm sure they'll try to convince you to sign a new contract.

But why would you want to buy it from the Verizon store? You can almost always find the same phone cheaper than the MSRP they charge in the store, unless your one of those people who need the newest phone on release day, I for one will simply be waiting 2 or 3 months after the phone I want is released then see if I can snag a mint used model online, I've done this for years every other year so I can get a new phone every year, the price drops are dramatic, I got a Mint condition Rezound for $275 in April.

Plus you get to find out if a device has tons of bugs before laying down cash for one by waiting. I still intend to hang onto unlimited LTE until they eliminate it from my contract, cause I'm not signing another one and agreeing to the change, or hopefully maybe Sprint or T-mobile brings LTE to my area and the terms are better.

But that's going to be hard, with FIOS bundling, a 450 minute plan, plus unlimited calling to any Verizon customer, an old grandfathered $10 texting plan with unlimited texting to any Verizon customer, and unlimited data I pay $77 a month. For me Unlimited for text and minutes to other Verizon customer's basically means unlimited, I only know 2 people who don't use Verizon and they aren't even people I call/text much.

I've priced individual plans on all 4 major carriers, based on my normal usage and no one can match it, though I admit it's a very special circumstance that Verizon is cheaper than everyone else, practically unheard of.
[HTC Rezound] DroidBurgundy:
*whew* I couldn't stand the unknown anymore! I broke down and drove to my local Verizon store and upgraded to a Galaxy Nexus, and on the bill I kept my unlimited data, I highlighted it and scanned it as a g'damn PDF file for me to take with me to small claims court next year just in case it ninja vanishes from my plan.... IN any case, I asked some of the people who work in the stores (just for fun because IMHO most people who work in the customer service positions at cell stores are retarded). NO ONE who worked there claimed to know when the date of the shared data plans would begin and the grandfathered unlimited data plans would not be available with subsidized pricing. I bought the phone subsidized, there's no way I would pay $649 for a phone that only works on one carrier. I was kinda sad though because I didn't want a Gnexus, but it seemed like the lesser of all available evils and I don't like playing the waiting game for the GSIII vs Big Red axing my data plan.
[HTC Rezound] smoqueedallday:
Wow. I thought I'd be grandfathered in forever..
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Buy some tinfoil too? :)

Not that your idea is bad, but you could have waited...or saved your money so in 6 months when that phone you want comes out you can buy it full price :)
[HTC Rezound] DroidBurgundy:
True, this had crossed my mind, but the idea of a virgin Nexus device did get me a bit excited. After 2 years of owning a locked down blured Droid 2, the software of the Gnex is music to my ears. THe only complaint I have is I really don't like how cheap the phone feels or the batt life but I knew all that going in, and have spare batts en route from amazon. I guess my best bet would be to rock the Gnex until the next super amazing quad core jelly nexus drops :D
[HTC Rezound] googlelover:
You do know that verizon already said they would announce when they were cutting off the unlimited data ahead of time, so you could have just waited, then bought the phone you wanted when they announced the cutoff date..

Edit: and even if the GS3 didn't come out by then the Gnexus price would probably have dropped a lot.
[HTC Rezound] zounduser:
signed
[HTC Rezound] movielover76:
Yea, I would have waited too, the Gnex has horrid radio reception, which is why I have a Rezound, buy it at the last second in case a better device comes out, at this point the Rezound is still the best phone on Verizon imo.

Unfortunately my upgrade comes in November, so I won't be getting one last subsidized phone :(
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Well I don't know about you, but my upgrade is in November too, and ill be calling the moment they announce the unlimited data removal and demanding my upgrade or leave for sprint come November.
[HTC Rezound] movielover76:
The threatening to leave sounds like a plan I may do that myself, but I won't we leaving for sprint, their 3G network is just too slow, Sprint's 3G service is effectively throttled at least in my area, because they oversubscribe the service and it has every bandwidth hog (who doesn't care about the speed of the data, just that it's unlimited) on it.

I don't even live in a wimax area and even if I did I wouldn't be getting any upgrades on that, Sprint LTE will take a long time to get to me, Verizon took a year and 3 months, I can't imagine sprint being any faster at deploying it.

If you live in one of the LTE launch cities or somewhere that will be upgraded soon I understand, If Sprint gets around to my area with LTE and they still have unlimited or even a more reasonable LTE pricing structure and good speeds I'll consider switching then.

Unfortunately options for switching are very slim if you don't live in a big city and want fast 4G, AT&T and Verizon's prices for current plans are virtually identical, Verizon is actually a little better if you get in on a double data deal, but that's a promotion.

T-mobile's Faux-G would be perfectly acceptable, the speeds are good and their prices are reasonable, I could live on one of their 5GB plans, if the coverage didn't suck, and Sprint 3G is too slow.
[HTC Rezound] DroidBurgundy:
THis wasn't an issue for me really, I have read people's complaints about it, but have yet to experiance any negative experiance other than lack of batt life, besides I had hoped that through some reading here in XDA I could find and flash a better radio/kernel anyways. THe rezound's screen looked odd to me in sunlight, but I do love HTC's form factor on their devices.

As far as calling and threatening to leave goes, it can often be quite effective seeing how they stand to make much more money long term off of a customer on contract, but given that they said they were killing subsidized phones/unlimited data "this summer" and the only 2 major phones enroute to Verizon atm seem to be the Incredible 4g, and GSIII, I don't I would have gained very much by waiting much longer. It will be interesting to see however in the coming months how verizon will react to cranky pissed off grandfathered customers.... perhaps if they are really loosing so much profit from us they will tell us to piss off and leave anyways. I wish I had the luxury, but where I live it's either Verizon LTE, AT&T, or crap 3g/2g on sprint/tmob
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Interesting. Sprint in Cincinnati on 3G is much faster than Verizon's. We have wimax here but it has terrible wall penetration. Reason I left sprint actually. Got out etf free because there coverage map showed I'd have wimax and you had to walk a mile down my street either way to get it. Tech said it was because of the location and xoyldnt be fixed. Noticed they changed their coverage map after that.

I have had Verizon LTE since the tbolt was launched. Benefit to being in a big city I guess. I was just surprised not to see us on a first launch for sprint LTE.

T-Mobile had always had bad coverage in Cincinnati. I always hear such good things elsewhere so it must just be here lol.
[HTC Rezound] marblesmike:
I literally went out and upgraded to 4g and got the Rezound this week instead of waiting for the S3 so I wouldn't lose unlimited data.
[HTC Rezound] DroidBurgundy:
The last customer with unlimited data WINS!!! :D

Would make for a cheeky post apocalyptic comic book... the dust settles... from the ashes one man remains with his unlimited data intact.. can he watch netflix? No. His battery is dead -.-
[HTC Rezound] marblesmike:
Haha...dead battery on a Rezound? Nah, never.
[HTC Rezound] fix-this!:
you won't loose unlimited if you buy your phone full retail or buy a used one and activate it. it's only when your contract is up and you renew or upgrade through them. bottom line is when my contract is up next summer i just won't renew and ill move to another carrier. you won't loose anything if you just activate a phone you bought off of craigslist or ebay.

all of the carriers including sprint will axe unlimited data eventually. the goal is to find a a plan/network that is worthwhile and doesn't empty your wallet paying for it like on verizon.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
This is the only thing that pisses me off about the msrp deal. If it were a pentaband phone that I can take to sprint, tmo, att, or whoever, then fine. But being stuck with vzw on one phone and having nothing else I can do with it is bs.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
then change carriers...

No one is forcing you to be on verizon. Most gsm phones work on at&t. Seems like that is the carrier for you.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Go back and reread what I wrote. Damn. I fully underf---instant that most gsm phones work on tmo/att. I'm saying that if vzw is refusing to allow subsidized phones on unlimited plans then they need more global phones that can be transported to other carriers. As I shouldn't have to buy another new phone to leave the carrier. They are essentially locking us into a contract buy making us buy a phone at msrp that can't be used anywhere outside of vzw. Does that make it clear enough for you.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
I think its pretty clear that you don't like verizon's business practices and as such should change carriers...

What's so hard to understand? They are number 1, so as such they feel they can do pretty much whatever they want and get away with it. Its worked in the past and will probably continue to work. You can either piss and moan on a forum they could care less about or take your money elsewhere which if enough people do, maybe they will change.

No one says that have to subsidize your phone for you. They are not FORCING you to do anything. You are making an informed decision. Either leave, stay and don't buy subsidized phones or go to a tiered shared data plan.

Is that clear enough for you???
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
So your grand wonderful advice is to leave and go to att? Wow, what would I ever do without you? I never said anyone was forcing me to do anything. Just like no one forces you to read my posts. I simply agreed with an above poster about buying phones that are locked to a Damn carrier. Sorry that shot right over your head. It's no different than buying a car and only being limited to side roads. Either way I'm losing money if I leave vzw after paying msrp for a phone, because I have to then sell that phone at a loss. Whereas you can leave att for tmo and take your phone with you. It would be NICE if the manufacturers would take care of us and make phones compatible on more networks. Like the rezound. It's one of the few phones from vzw that work outside of CDMA. But I don't know if it is fully functional on the other carriers as I haven't tried it. But generally speaking even paying msrp for a phone on vzw I'm going to pay more for leaving. Then there is other perks for being a gsm customer, like retail phones even being less expensive. If you can't see those sunk costs, well I can help you. How about do everyone a favor and put me on your ignore list. Thanks in advance.
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Verizon doesn't have to provide you with phones that work on other carriers. Why do you think you are owed this? They can do whatever they want. They could decide to only carry the iPhone from tomorrow onward and you could do nothing about it.

If anything, why don't HTC, Motorola, etc. Make phones that work on other providors and work on Verizon too?

Oh and another thing. They don't make any money off the phones sold out right. A Verizon employee can correct me if I am wrong, but it is usually why they don't like selling them as they don't make anything. This being the case why would Verizon go out of its way to get a phone exclusive that people will buy and not make them money cause they go use them on other carriers.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Because Verizon only allows phones that have been "verified" by them to be used on their network
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Wasn't my point...
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I never said I was owed anything. But as a loyal customer who has referred 5 of my friends and family over to them, the least VZW could do is allow us to have phones that aren't carrier locked if they are going to bend us over for an extra 400 dollars per phone every 2 years. (in my case it would be 800 dollars or 33 extra dollars a month)

Obviously it's because VZW doesn't want it. Why would they? It's an indirect way to keep you from leaving. Usually if you just shelled out 600+ dollars for a device no matter how crappy VZW treats you, you will probably stay for at least a year so you can feel like you got something out of your 600 dollars in sunk cost.

This is just naive. VZW pays ~400 for an android device. I don't know how much they make on iOS devices, nor do I car. But they do make money on phones at full retail. Why do you think the CEO of Tmo would come out and say he rathers the unsubsidized business model? However, most carriers would rather lock you into a contract because it is more guaranteed money over the next two years, than a owner that is not locked into a contract. They ultimately make more money on a owner that isn't locked into a contract over two years, than one that is, because they didn't subsidize the device. Also, the only other reason they don't want you not in a contract is because off contract sub's look worse to investors because it is not guaranteed income over the next quarter, year, whatever.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
I just want to know the most efficient way to use piles of data. Anyone got a good suggestion for HD video to stream?
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Torrent. Just download multiple versions of W7 and Vista. That's like 10-20 GB a pop right there. Then just delete when done.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Manufacturers are beholden to the carriers more than the consumers. They need the carriers to sell subsidized phones to folk like you who think they are owed a discount on their phone.

Please try and take that at&t phone over to t-mobile and let me know how that edge data works for you. US carriers are pretty good at keeping their bands separate so you can't jump to other carriers.

You do realize that you can get only so many bands on a radio chipset currently right? I think pentaband is as far as they go and for a phone headed to verizon, I'm sure verizon told htc to use their cdma bands and then global bands to prevent people from jumping with their subsidized phones to another network.

You seem to think that verizon should make it easy for you to jump carriers when you get pissed at them. Why would they do that?

One thing you did get right is that I will add you to my ignore list.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Reread what I wrote, respond without such condescension, and I might take the time to respond with an actual response.
[HTC Rezound] SigmunDroid:
(Read very slowly, k?) First off: The definition of "Owed:"

"Having an obligation to pay or repay (something,) for something received."

Whether you spend 1,000,000 dollar (or pesos) -Verizon does not correlate

how much you spend with how loyal of a consumer (under contract) that you ARE. I would be inclined to agree with your highly opinionated supposition. There is no right or wrong here. Only ethical and unethical behavior from a PRIVATE company that has a service that *you* agreed to pay for (without such selfish, butt-hurt albeit reasonably sound demands penciled in prior to you having signed your one-sided contract with a corporate giant)

In the end the *only* way Verizon would ever consider such a money-losing endeavor (being able to use free and clear unlocked phones from other carriers) is if:

(1) Obama doesn't get reelected and

(2) If Every consumer bands together as a collective and puts their proverbial .....foot up inside Verizon's rosey red ass and makes them *FEEL* the consumer's wrath.

Feel me? ;)

---------- Post added at 05:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:52 PM ----------

I am more than willing to concede that each carrier needs to make money.

Giving away the farm so that every Tom, **** and Harry can smile while holding their Evos and Nexus skipping hand in hand while eating skittles that fall from the sky is sopha king ridiculous I'm sure even the most novice of businessman would concur.

Your position is very concise and is right on the money.

Whether or not it is what they choose to follow as a business model (or not)

is within our logical (or irrational) selves to pontificate upon the merits of such action(s) taken by such savvy Conglomerates of Corporate America...

To have such a personal disdain (in my highly respectable opinion) is laughable at best and just moronically asinine at worst.

I surmise that 1454's personal feelings are clouding his judgment.

Moreover I can only hope that such emotionally fueled vendettas waged

by Mr. 1454 will dissipate as time and healing of his senses aid in his understanding so that he can grow and develop from this experience, just as many of us have already learned and dealt with (in our early adolescence) no less...

"You can't always get what you want."

"You cannot control what is *out* of your control."

And, My personal favorite: Self Entitlement (when measured up against the kind of consumer that drops hundreds of $$$ each and every month on their 5-10 + line family share plans, who don't refer "people" but refer Businesses that yield thousands of dollars in additional revenue for Verizon) Yet ask for nothing in return but for Verizon to provide a fast, and stable connection for their devices, offer up and honor technical and warranty support services and to pick up the phone when dialing *611 (maybe even going as far as to say that THEY appreciate the fact that whenever they dial *611 we get English speaking individuals NOT outsourced to another 2nd or 3rd world country...) -No names... -Dish Network!!- ;)

Peace- :cool:
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I understand fully the definition of owed. As I stated in the quote, of course they don't "owe" me anything. Just like I don't owe them my continued business. Am I pissed about this reversal of what they have told us all along, of course. We, or at least I, were told that if we had unlimited data it wouldn't be taken away. But, here's how i see this going down. Either you voluntarily sign a new subsidized contract with the new sh-tty pricing, or you keep your old phone etc. However, when your contract is up they are no longer obligated to uphold anything in that contract. So they will just force you off of unlimited data anyway when your contract is up. Honestly, this wouldn't be as big of a deal if the data caps were reasonable, 2GB is in no way, shape, or form reasonable. 5 or 7gb would be "reasonable". But as I see it, they want me to cut my usage in half

or less for the same amount of money as I am currently paying. When this happens I will just go back to a dumbphone. As I can't justify paying 30 dollars a month for barely being able to use my phone the way I have since I originally bought a smart phone in 07. Honestly, I fully believe it VZW hadn't get the stupid iphone then none of these things would have happened. But, VZW knows the typical iphone customer will just pay it an move on. I won't, as it will not be worth the extremely limited service I receive in that case.

Last, I have no idea what that obama comment was about. And 2 will never happen, as people are addicted to technology.

Again, you are also making assumptions here about me. I never once said that VZW shouldn't, or can't make money. I have no problems with that. However, (as I stated above)VZW said for a very long time that those of us with unlimited plans wouldn't be forced to change. This is a reversal on their previous statements. This is where my problem lies. Next, if you would bother to read the previous posts of mine, I was just agreeing with an above post about phones being carrier locked and having to buy straight from the carrier. I have no problem at all buying a phone off contract, as I wish more people would(and I did with my thunderbolt). And I think if the Nexii being sold on the play store is any indication, it would be cheaper overall for the end consumer(us). Carrier locked phones, shouldn't cost 600+ dollars, as if I want to leave that carrier there isn't crap I can do with it other than lose my butt trying to sell it because of subsidization. Also, I would like to know what is with the condescension here? What makes your opinion > than mine, or anyone elses? Seriously? Do you really have that much of an over inflated self worth? If VZW wants to rely solely on business customers, be my guest. But their margins will tank with business customer as they do actually have bargaining power.