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[HTC Rezound] Merdoc81:
I've asked them probably 15 times to be sure because I have unlimited data and able to get a full upgrade they have all told me that it doesn't matter weather u have a 3g or 4g phone the only way you will lose it is if you sign a new contract after the cutoff date. So if you are eligible for an upgrade than you're better off doing it now because this is the last time you will be able to get the discounted price on a phone. After that you'll still keep it as long as you don't sign a new contract which means when you want a new phone from then on you'll have to pay full price for it. Personally I'm waiting for the Incredible 4G cause I believe that will be that last new phone available before the cutoff.
[HTC Rezound] young0ne:
But what if you do a new contract with no phone upgrade?
[HTC Rezound] Merdoc81:
It would be the same thing you will still keep it, but why would u sign a new contract if u weren't upgrading the phone. If u were just going to stay with one you already have then u really don't need to renew the contract.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Well, VZW could conceivably yank the unlimited data from you without you being in a contract. I'm not saying that they will, but it is plausible. As at that point there is nothing you can do to stop it, you would be at the mercy of their current plans because you can't use the "materially adverse" clause of your contract. As I see it, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
[HTC Rezound] Merdoc81:
I suppose there's a possibility that sometime down the road they could take away our unlimited data once our contracts are up cause it only obligates them for 2 years so by signing a new one u at least guarentee yourself to have it for the next 2 years. Thats how I'm looking at it anyway.
[HTC Rezound] Merdoc81:
I agree with u. But at least if sign a new contract you know you'll have it for the next 2 years after that if they do take it away it won't really matter if you stayed with them or not cause as you nodoubt already know there may still be a few others that offer unlimited data but its not really unlimited since they throttle down your speed after u go over 2GB.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Verizon only did away with unlimited last summer, how is that a long time? Businesses change their minds all the time. As long as they honor your contract for that 2 years, that is all they have to do.

They aren't forcing you off unlimited at this time, just making it harder to keep it.

Yes they could pull unlimited out from under you once your contract expires, but that would be more detrimental to them because they could lose subscribers which would hurt their earnings and piss off the stockholders. That might be the plan in 2 years, but by then I would guess the number of people on unlimited plans to be too small to worry about. Most people will give up their unlimited for a subsidized phone, anything to save a buck now.

We can keep going round and round about this but the bottom line is that verizon is going to do what they think is in their best interest and we either stay or go.
[HTC Rezound] marblesmike:
What does Obamarama have to do with any of this?
[HTC Rezound] Evilmonstertruck:
While I think this will happen eventually, there is no plan to do it anytime soon. And if they do do it, it will be at the end of your contract and idk about you but i have extended my contract ALOT over the years and I think mine expires in 2015 :D.. Im really not to worried. They throttled the crap out of it now anyways so it doesnt really matter. And there is WIFI everywhere now. Even where i live. And thats saying alot.
[HTC Rezound] marblesmike:
I have a friend who works for Verizon and he told me that management has been telling their workers that they are getting rid of the unlimited data only temporarily. Their data infrastructure isn't strong enough to handle everyone's unlimited data on the LTE network so the tiered plans are a way to give Verizon time to build up their 4g.

FWIW.

In terms of Verizon getting rid of unlimited data:

Let the free market decide what's best. Should Verizon keep unlimited data if it is costing them extra money to keep up? They need to do what they think is best for their business. If you aren't happy with their service (including the axing of unlimited data plans) then go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to stay with them. In the free market, if a business makes a risky decision that ruins their customer base, they'll pay for it. If this is a poor decision on Verizon's part, they'll find out soon enough.

Unfortunately, this move away from unlimited data probably won't affect enough people enough to negatively impact Verizon. Most people don't need unlimited data and could actually save money by using a $20/month 2gb plan rather than a $30/month unlimited data plan.

Again, the free market will decide, unless the government comes in a forces everyone to buy a cell phone or mobile service (heck, they've already done it with another industry...). Fortunately the technology sector is one of the least affected sectors from government regulation.
[HTC Rezound] jdk2:
Good luck believing VZW will be lowering their data plan rates as you show above, I don't care who you know. If anything, they'll raise the plan fees and offer a lot less data for a lot more money. They're not in the business of making customers happy.
[HTC Rezound] marblesmike:
Not true. If their customers weren't happy they wouldn't have so many of them. The proposed tier I read about starts at 2gb for $20.
[HTC Rezound] jdk2:
i, along with many others, hope you're right.
[HTC Rezound] CharliesTheMan:
Just curious as I really dont know if this exists, is there some kind of guarantee that Sprint isnt doing away with unlimited? I know that people say thats all they have, but in my region the majority of people who buy Sprint contracts do it because they're piss poor and/or have no credit. Not all customers especially long term. But most of their new contracts are sold in local retailers and best buy to people who were rejected by Verizon and then ATT according to market research.

So when verizon completely does away with unlimited data, will it become a big enough selling point that Sprint has to keep it?
[HTC Rezound] tmach:
Maybe... Sprint's lost a lot of customers in recent years so its using unlimited everything to get them back. Once it has them though, there's nothing to keep Sprint from ditching unlimited data since no one else offers it anymore. That said, Sprint's data (at least where I live) is so much slower than VZW that I don't know if it's worth switching, unlimited or not.

Sent from my Incredib... er... Rezound
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Huh...

Take that story and inject T-Mobile instead of sprint and that is what it was like in my market. All the Mexicans loved T-Mobile because they almost always got approved....

As for the other post...are you talking about sprint LTE or Wimax? Wimax is slower and should be. It isn't as good a technology as LTE.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
i know i'm late to the party, but as an employee i can say this: i hate selling phones outright without a contract because i make little to nothing on them unless i jack up our off contract price atleast 80-90 bucks, so then we make a solid 90 flat out.

since i'm independant of verizon, it's diff....i'm sure corp verizon pays really cheap for androids because they buy them in crazy bulk...so yeah, say 400 or so, and then verizon goes around and has to sell them to us indirect guys, to which they tack the price on atleast $200 more...so a rezound could be maybe $400, we pay around $530 for it (used to be $630) but then we have to tack on atleast $90 if someone wanted to buy it off contract.....so yeah, we still kinda make some money off contract, but meh it sucks...we make some nice bank on contract plans lol

basically, what you can get from this is that verizon screws indirect agents REALLY HARD. =)
[HTC Rezound] marblesmike:
My friend that works at Verizon told me they make little money on the phones and instead make it all on contracts, accessories and various packages/plans.
[HTC Rezound] pwned3:
Watch out for sprints unlimited plan. Use too much and they may terminate your contract and service
[HTC Rezound] DroidBurgundy:
This! The look on their faces as you just purchase a phone and no $30 screen protectors which are $2 on Amazon is priceless! I couldn't believe how many people were buying it all up, car chargers, cases, you name it! The sales reps at my local VZW store are intense, I just run in/out every 2 years for a phone...
[HTC Rezound] JeramyEggs:
I have even had them try to skip it in on the bill. They ring it up, and I am like"that seems high,let me see the receipt". Bam extra screen protector. Shady....
[HTC Rezound] DaPitt84:
I'm a little confused how this is going to with exactly. If we are in the middle of a contract, can they actually change it on up? Or does it go into effect when we re-up our contracts?

Read and heard different things.

I just don't know what I'll do. I'm using close to 4GB and I'm not a heavy downloader. That's just internet, apps and games that require internet connection. I had stopped streaming Pandora and net flicks too.
[HTC Rezound] zetsumeikuro:
If you have a contact locking in the unlimited data they CANNOT change it. Once the contract is over you're at Verizon's mercy.
[HTC Rezound] stuartv:
I'm no lawyer, and I have not read my whole contract with VZW in detail (just the Terms of Service on my Unlimited Data Plan0, but I'm pretty sure you are 100% wrong.

I'm 99.9% sure they could call you up any time they want and say, "we're terminating your contract. You may now change to another carrier if you wish, with no Early Termination Fee. However, if you want to stay with us, you'll have to change to one of the data plans we are currently offering."

In other words, if they want to kick you off Unlimited Data, I absolutely believe they can - and you're only recourse would be to switch to another carrier if you want.

That said, I'll be keeping my Unlimited plan until they DO kick me off. I don't really have a problem waiting 2 or 3 months after the latest and greatest next phone comes out and then paying $200 - 300 for a "used" one off CL or eBay, so I never have to buy another phone on contract from VZW again. It's about the same money as buying one on contract from VZW - except I have no contract. And keep my Unlimited Data. That's how I got my Rezound. $250, like new, with original box and unused Beats. And even some screen protectors and a case/holster combo. And no contract.

There's nothing about any new phone coming out (at least, not any time this year, for sure) that's going to make me feel like I HAVE to have it before they start hitting the used market. And I don't feel like that's ever again likely to be the case (now that I have an LTE, world capable, SVDO phone). :D
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I agree 100%.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
Yeah Verizon can change anything at their discretion, don't be confused. They are actually being nice, in their eyes, by allowing loopholes to keep unlimited for a while longer. Plus its bad business practice to up and change a contract someone agreed to, they would lose business for that, some money is better than no money from a customer.
[HTC Rezound] silasrye:
This is almost correct, I just renewed my unlimited with a gs3 pre order. I was care full to read and they can change the contract anytime (with 1 or 2 billing periods notice, I can't remember) if you continue to use service after that, you are agreeing to the new terms. Else you're off the hook with no etf. So... Fine, you really loose nothing, and if you got a subsidized phone you can now sell it off and come out ahead.
[HTC Rezound] Cheatz:
This made me mad at first (still does really) but I have to admit I mainly use wifi anyway especially with how many free networks are floating around.
[HTC Rezound] kingofyo1:
Guess I'm one of the few who actually uses the unlimited data plan for its full potential. Last month I used over 90 gb of data through newly acquired 4g in my area over my rezound. this month I've used 45gb of data already and its only the 7th! still got another 20 days give or take to use some more data. Yes before you ask, I do tether and I am rooted and I love it and wouldnt change it for anything, because the phone is my only way of receiving internet at my home.

Yeah once verizon changes your contract they're legally obligated to inform you of the changes and that will allow you to non-etf out of your contract but honestly the service is amazing, data and voice. Prices are a bit high, but no one else is offering unlimited data anymore so competitive prices are relative at this point. Until they force me off the unlimited data, i'm keeping it. I'll do as the previous person and buy off contract phones like the SGS III if it turns out a hell of a lot better than my rezound, but at this point we'll see what happens :)
[HTC Rezound] DaPitt84:
So I can't get changed until then?

Do I still have to decide this summer what I want to do of those two options? Even if my contract isn't up for two years.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
And this is one of the reasons our unlimited data plans are going the way of the dodo. I don't care if it is the "only way you can receive Internet at your home."

Also, there is no way in hades that you can't get Internet at your home if you live in a 4G area. Even in the most remote areas you can get huges net. You just don't want to pay for home Internet.
[HTC Rezound] kiint:
and why should he? this is the future, not the past
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
Lol guess he's gonna have to eventually.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Exactly, and screwed us all over in the process.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
He should pay for Internet because it's not that expensive and is being childish with his usage. That not only hurts everyone's speed, but it also causes unintended side effects like costing us unlimited data.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
No. Verizon would still have killed unlimited data, irregardless.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
Actually, the future is going to be no more unlimited data plans because of users who misuse it like this.

These posters are already in danger of losing it actually because tethering is a TOS violation & cause to lose your plan.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
No, it's not because it's unenforceable due to the various clauses of the spectrum agreement Verizon signed when it purchased spectrum at auction from the FCC.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Wth is wrong with you using what you pay for?!

:mad:
[HTC Rezound] mike.s:
You really should take the time to know what you're taking about, so you don't make more incorrect claims.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Heh, k. Enlighten me then. Explain to me how the openness rules Verizon agreed when purchasing C block spectrum don't apply.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
I was wondering the same
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
If this were the case, then I highly doubt VZW would be making this move from unlimited data at all. I know they signed it, but something tells me that it is either A) unenforceable, B) The FCC won't enforce it. Either way, in the end we are losing our unlimited data plans.

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Not mad, just agitated. I don't use much over the normal 4 GB of data anyway, but because of people like him eventually I will be forced into this small little corner of hell where it does me no good to even have a smart phone. I'll admit, I tether, but only when I don't have any other option. Mainly when riding in a car on a long trip with my fiancee and I'm not driving. But someone that replaces their home internet with it is just being a jerk to the rest of us by hogging bandwidth that others of use could be using. It's jerks like him that cause sprints network to be like .3 MB down. (Obviously I'm talking about 3g) The point is, if we all did that our speeds even on LTE would be horrendous. But whatever, it's not like my comments will make the above poster grow up and get home internet. So I don't know why I bother.
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
Here's the thing, people pay per month for data, so we should be able to use it how we want, just like if we paid for home internet.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
:p i can't see why people use cellphone data as their sole internet. Just seems silly to me, at the same time I don't really care that they do either. 30+ mbps down is fine and dandy but in real use it isn't much faster than 3G on a phone, unless you are just downloading files. That's if you use your phone though and not a computer. So I don't really see how it bogs the internet. Mobile data wasn't intended for much else other than apps and communication stuff. To each their own. I givez no fuq lol :D

I also have constant access to good interwebs via WiFi so my battery doesn't die as fast either. My home internet is 30 down and 8 up and I think its like 30 a month? Don't remember last time I actually looked at my bill lol. Now if I go on a trip ill probably use a good bit of data, if I go over my 4gigs ill just pay the overage, meh :p
[HTC Rezound] dragonrazorz:
Hugesnet sucks, i had it and they slowed you down to dial up after a few hours
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Dang, I wish I had those kinda speeds at home for that amount of money. I pay 38 for 8 down 4 up. The next tier is 16 down 4 up and it costs 64. I promptly said no thanks.

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I don't disagree, I'm just illustrating that there is alternatives, and that person just doesn't want to explore them. Not to mention, if he is in a 4G area, there is NO WAY that he would be relegated to that. I'm fairly certain he could get DSL or cable if he wanted.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
It was only 20 but I think its gone up since then... It probably is 30 - 35 now.

Well I think it was only supposed to be 16 down and 3 up but is always been over that, I think since they upgraded to docis 3 n such. It's actually never been that slow from what I can remember. At either of my apartments actually...

Edit: 64 a month for that? Holy crap! U live in q secluded area? Like the ocean or desert or frozen tundra? Lol
[HTC Rezound] mike.s:
First off, although a complaint has been filed, the FCC has not made any ruling on the matter. Unless and until they do, in a manner which changes the status quo, the contractual obligations you agreed to when signing the service contract apply. That means no tethering unless you add that feature to your plan.

The FCC imposed basically two requirements: open devices and open applications.

VZW agreed to make their C block LTE network open to any device which was technologically able to connect, and they are. You want to put a PC on their LTE network? They'll sell you an LTE modem so you can. Or, you can get a 4G "hotspot," and share with multiple devices (they don't care what devices). If you can find a phone from some non-VZW source which works, fine. Nothing in the FCC requirement says that they must let you extend that connectivity _through_ that connected device to other devices, for the same set fee. But, if you want to, they'll let you do that (tether or hotspot), for a fee. Charging per device is not a violation of the FCC restrictions, and Verizon does nothing to prevent any particular device from communicating through their network.

Verizon also agreed not to limit applications, and they don't. They did ask Google to not distribute some tethering apps, and they've take steps to prevent those apps from using _services_ which aren't paid for, but nothing to stop those apps from running. If you pay for tethering, and can't run a third party tethering app, you have a complaint, that's all. Ultimately it's up to the FCC to explain what they meant with the rule, and I expect they'll say that it was intended to ensure an open and free market for applications (compared to the old "you can only buy apps and ringtones from the carrier" days), not as a loophole to let people share services contracted for a single device with others. Of course, VZW hasn't done anything itself to restrict any applications other than to enforce the contracted terms of service.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Nope, I just live in an area that has a government operated cable company. THE WORST CUSTOMER SERVICE EVER. http://www.mi-connection.com/

Anyway, I'm just about 20 minutes outside of charlotte. But it's this or att's crappy 6 up dsl. So I chose the 8 up. As much as I hate to say it, I wish Time Warner controlled the lines again. They controlled them while adelphia was going though bankruptcy and being chopped up, then the local government bought the rights out of bankruptcy. It's been horrible ever since. Not only are the more expensive, but they are constantly having to ask for more tax payer dollars to keep going and their customer service is only open 8-8 monday through saturday.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
That sounds disgusting. you should move immediately
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Because it's mine and I pay for unlimited. I can understand why people torrent, why they buy expensive clothes and sneakers, why the splurge on food. Choice and wanting to. It's cool that you don't do what others do but what's the confusion about? Lol
[HTC Rezound] EmerikL:
Gah! Those prices are horrible.
[HTC Rezound] dragonrazorz:
[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree, I'm just illustrating that there is alternatives, and that person just doesn't want to explore them. Not to mention, if he is in a 4G area, there is NO WAY that he would be relegated to that. I'm fairly certain he could get DSL or cable if he wanted.[/QUOTE]

Whats funny is, i live right outside the "city" n i can 4g in a certain spot in my room, but cant get dsl like people 15 mins away can -_- thats frustrating
[HTC Rezound] Cybie257:
Quit your whining. It's about money, not the amount of data people used that brought tiered plans about. All you people do is complain about those that have unlimited data because you probably don't have it.

If you want to blame ANYone for the tiered plans, blame the one's who continued to buy phone on the tiered plans. If people quit buying them when they took the unlimited plans away, guess what would've happened. OH! That's right, they would've brought unlimited plans back.

Tiered plans brings in more revenue to build the 4g infrastructure. They did it to raise money. They have no incentive to bring the unlimited plans back because people continue to buy the phones with the small amount of data they offer. Sorry, should I be forced to pay $30 for less data that a DVD holds? NO! If Verizon takes away my Unlimited plan, guess what? I leave Verizon and get some other carrier. Why? Because anything less than what I am getting now for the same or higher price is not worth the extra fees from Verizon.

My Two Cents! ;)

-Cybie
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Yep. I've done my best to ditch them. But there really isn't a better option in my case. I just wish the towns would cut then off the government teet and let them fail. Then maybe I could get twc again. Oh, and the worst part is that uverse literally stops A 1/4 mile away.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
No, I have unlimited and have had it since 08. The point is that verizon did it to both make more money and so it wouldn't cost then so much money from people like the above poster. Honestly, they probably would have never thought twice about yanking the grandfathering from us if it wasn't for people like him.