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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, what are you expecting or hoping from Jelly? If past history is any indication, I'm very pessimistic towards Jelly.... & I have no idea what Google can really include to perk it up (while differentiating itself from iOS and metro W8).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
My real point is you can get to a low price point, but you get what you pay for. Most people that would like the Infinity or Prime would NOT like a $200 quad core. The chipset can only get you down in price so far, before you skimp in other areas.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ill1:
Wow, I'm not sure if your being serious but if you are this post is full of bad "information"

Less than 1% returned means there is no QC issue? Less than 1% of what?, how many primes were sold? 1% could be anything. What about people who like me who knows that my prime has wifi, software lag/lockup issues and reboots but mostly the unit is usable and just dont want to go through the headace of RMA?

You think we should ask early adopters if an expensive item works as it should ? I actually am partially with you on that, but if quality was what it should have been on the prime this wouldn't be such a burning question. And I mean really, isn't it a reasonable expectation that the tablet should just work?

Finally your statement on QC is simply an excuse, ICS should cover basic functions almost flawlessly. This the fourth version of Android and the second version to run on tablets. Rebooting is just unacceptable, and should have been fixed. ICS should just run in a consistent fashion on the vast majority of primes.

Basically what I'm saying is if your a prospective buyer: keep your options open. There will a lot of tablets released pretty soon.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
That 1% e.mote referenced is simply a quote from Gary Key. Gary Key stated the 1% through cnet interview. And you are right... that 1% could be anything...

Which is why e.mote advised to wait & ask "early adopters" of the QC for such expensive devices (especially from Asus).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>what are you expecting or hoping from Jelly?

Nothing is known about Jelly yet, so it's mostly hope than expectation. I'm hoping to see basic OS functionality that'll widen Android use to more than just smartphones.

A sampling: multi-user, networking, performance file-system, class drivers, an abstraction layer for better app compatibility, better connectivity. Basic plumbing stuff. Some of these can be found via add-ons, but they need to be built into the OS.

For the gee-whiz headliner needed to generate buzz, I expect (not hope) Siri-enhanced functionality aka voice search/command for Jelly. Maybe it'll tie-in with Goog's announced Knowledge Graph.

A step up from these would be a better windowing UI to allow for multitasking on large displays. The current WIMP paradigm would call for overlapping and arbitrary-sized windows--perhaps Goog can come up with something better. MS hasn't, but its 80/20 dual-window display for WinRT is arguably better than Android's single-window display on the mobile side.

Lastly, it's been said many times already, but the one thing that absolutely needs to happen is for Google to be a better steward of the platform. I'm encouraged by rumors of Google moves, so we'll see what comes out of I/O.

>My real point is you can get to a low price point, but you get what you pay for. Most people that would like the Infinity or Prime would NOT like a $200 quad core.

"You get what you pay for" is an over-used cliche that's false as oft as not. Prime's high-end price didn't shield its users from the various problems. A more applicable phrase is "know what you're buying," which isn't predicated on price. If a $200 tab can function well, then that's all that matters.

>keep your options open. There will a lot of tablets released pretty soon.

I can agree with this, although probably not in the way you meant. "Begin of June" is when Win8's beta 2 comes out, and we'll get better guidance on Win8 devices for this year (along with Jelly at end of June).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sledgie:
Yeah, I liked reading page 2 of this thread. Should have skipped page 3 especially the first post. burns me to think a whole lot of us at XDA got some of those 1%...but we all held on to it hoping that software would fix some of the wifi/bt/gps issues. Take into account the Prime + keyboard is essentially a month's mortgage (or almost/more for some) ....

Anyway, my crystal ball says release in NA (especially BB) is around that 2nd half of July date... Because of W8 tablets I think Asus needs to get a little headstart.... I almost wish Asus would surprise us this time...with something BETTER than they showed it off with. Eg: Originally the TF201 Prime dock was suppose to have sub woofer in it, never appeared. This time, perhaps, with the HD screen, they'll decide, hey, what the heck...we'll do 2GB RAM which should at least be able to run W8 (unless I'm wrong).

Now, I know Asus has skin in the game for W8 tablets...so maybe this Infinity Pad is their "pet" project... a lot of companies are doing this...putting all of their resources into W8 tablets instead of Android (mainly because of Samsung Tablets, Asus, Acer/Motorola). And of course...if that 7" T4 tab from Asus does materialize....Bam! Who buys the 1920x1080 model? Us fanboys. Not the normal users...who go purchase the great priced TF300. Who buys the 7"? Us fanboys AND the normal users/women who want something in their purse/cargo pants.

All of that being said, Asus' new motherload baby Zenbook Prime ultrabook has one option I particularly would like to see in the new 700T dock - a thicker or raised key in the keyboard. I feel these keys are too close to the base, and either need more leverage or more...ooompf. I use this Prime all the time - and the UX31 at work. I feel the UX31 is great as an ultrabook but i hate the keys on it compared to this. From the previews/reviews I've read on the new Zenbook Prime, it would be nice to have higher raised keys on the 700t dock (since it's obviously not going to fit with out 201 dock).

Anyway, here's hoping. And for what I'm most eager to see (and the #1 reason to buy the 700T for me) is the 1920x1080 screen. More real estate. I love OverSkreen but it doesn't do it for me like it should, just because of the screen resolution we have on the Prime. 1920x1080 - I'll be able to browse, show a powerpoint/pdf, have my coordinating youtube presentation on the side, and see the time all on the same screen. That's what i'm looking forward to .

PS 2GB Ram would be great too as well as Keys raised on dock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>I'm very pessimistic towards Jelly.... & I have no idea what Google can really include to perk it up (while differentiating itself from iOS and metro W8).

Looking at this year, Android won't have competition in the $300-and-under bracket. Win8 toys will mostly be x86 (since ARM devices still lack a software base, and MS will use x86 to drive WinRT adoption), and will be relatively expensive. iPad is still $400-and-up. The rumored $300 miniPad may still happen, and would hurt, but $200-and-under segment should still see good business.

I'm actually more excited about some of the cheap computing toys coming out, like Raspberry Pi and the $49 VIA neo-ITX board. Android is great for these devices. If you believe in pervasive computing, then cheap/limited-function/connected/embedded devices are the building blocks. So, I see an upside for Android away from the traditional full-function computing devices.

Anyway, Android will be the cellar dweller this year. But next year is next year. Android has a rapid iteration cycle (looks to be annual now instead of semi-annual), and if Google gets on the ball, it could catch up with Win8 and surpass iOS in a couple of cycles. We'll see. It's not a big deal, as competition will drive all these guys to be better faster. I actually prefer this free-for-all scenario rather than having one clear winner. I'm rooting for all three OS'es, and yes, Tizen, too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
There is a problem with getting that "return" number. While very Prime I owned did work "ok" it certainly didn't work like it should have. If everyone who bought a Prime and wanted everything to work properly they most likely would have had over %90 return rate. To be honest, I can't see having purchased 5 Prime tablets from about a 4 month span all had QC issues. ALL of them had light bleed issues and all of them had wireless problems to some degree. If I was illiterate in how the tablet SHOULD work then I wouldn't return it at all, hence that "return" rate number means nothing. I just can't see me buying 5 Prime tablets all having the same issues not a QC problem. Believe Gary, but there are plenty of people here having had multiple Prime tablets all with QC issues to some degree.

If asking someone from Asus is the wrong person then I'm not sure who to ask. You say Gary is a marketing guy but has stepped in here as a technical contact. We WILL ask. These are legit, normal questions any consumer will ask. We all know Asus has a presence here, so let them read the questions and then answer.

The Prime didn't come out with ICS. It came with Gingerbread, so that first tablet stuff with ICS doesn't apply at all. Also, you speak of prices and even indicate a price drop, but never say what you think the price will be. I'm sorry, if the Prime 32GB version is $500 then a TF700 model with 32GB will be at least $75-$100 more. Unless there is something I missed here?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
First off, PRIME CAME WITH HONEYCOMB NLT GINGERBREAD. LMFAO

Second, there's also alot of us who only purchased Prime once and never had to switch. Meaning the first one worked good. I got mines back in the beginning of launch in December before Christmas. I never had to exchange.

THIRD, Prime was the first tablet to have ICS. Also for a gold while before any other tablet got it. Prime is also the first Tegra3 Quadcore(really 5 core) tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
My guess is that it could take a while for the successor of the Prime to arrive because the Tegra3+ isn't released yet.

Some time ago i read that the Tegra3 has trouble with 1080p output, and that the Tegra3+ will address these problems (memory bandwith if i remember correctly).

Unfortunally i cannot find the sources at this time , except for this link;

http://androidandme.com/2012/04/new...80p-displays-25-faster-gpu-and-lte-to-phones/

Edit: Found some more info.

I read also that there will be a tegra3 version (non-lte) and a qualcomm version (lte), altough this doesn't make sense since the Tegra3+ supports LTE ... Maybe Asus will rush the S4 version (Asus likes to rush productes :) ), and release the Tegra3 version later on!?

http://www.computer-howto.com/2012/02/asus-tf300t-tf700t-tablet-specs-no-tegra-3/

edit2: snapdragon S4 version announced for july
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you got it mixed up. tegra3 has no issues playing/outputting 1080P. the S4 is the one with that problem. several accounts of it in hTc one & one X(American version). several test/comparison threads on it.

That s4 release isnt official. it'll be a long time before that version releases. Manufacturing delays on that chip.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
That's my biggest issue with Android & Google. The rapid iteration cycle ....

In terms of hardware, I understand your perspective & viewpoint in inexpensive devices...

But as an OS, it is annoying. There's absolutely no maturation process & ruins the user experience. Google is basically asking "us" to purchase new device each year, or go to custom ROM route. This tactic only favors the "hardcore" gadget collectors.... It's going the same way as Linux in PC (too many distros) except in Android... the problem is greater.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>That's my biggest issue with Android & Google. The rapid iteration cycle ....

An annual rev wouldn't be bad, since hardware has the same cycle. What's bad is that Google didn't sync its releases to the shopping season. HW vendors need time to ramp up, and for Android, they need even more time to port the new code to their particular architecture, since many of them don't have advance access.

Both HC and ICS were released in Q4, which meant they can only show up in devices the following year. It's been 7+ months since ICS release, and Nvidia still can't get Teg3 to run with many of the games. TF300 has same compat problems as the Prime. It's not good when a device with the latest OS can only run some of the apps--and we're not even touching the fragmentation issue.

The good news is that all of these are fixable by Google. If rumors are true, viz Jelly shows up in toys in summer, and Goog brings more HW vendors onboard, then it's a step in the right direction. OTOH, I can't imagine vendors being too happy that Goog is directly involved in the HW biz. It's a balancing act.

>Google is basically asking "us" to purchase new device each year, or go to custom ROM route. This tactic only favors the "hardcore" gadget collectors

I think the "OS-upgradable" paradigm is untenable outside of traditional x86 PCs, because x86 is a single architecture, whereas ARM has multiple architectures, and upgrades get hairy real fast.

Another factor is that it costs money to accomodate backward compatibility. For PCs that costs hundreds and thousands of dollars, the upgrade cost can be subsumed in the price. For cheap tablets, that isn't feasible. Perhaps for more expensive tablets, the vendor can guarantee a round of major upgrades.

This scenario is already happening to varying degree, depending on vendors' discretion. The majority of 1st-gen (Teg2) tabs are getting the ICS upgrade. But if Android tablets get more plentiful, and vendors have to juggle more of them, then such "complementary" service will likely be pared back.

A more likely approach is the appliance model, where the FW is baked into the product, and only minor (point) upgrades will be possible. MS looks to be going with this model for ARM devices.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Majority of your viewpoint is based on tablet PC perspective. Considering that "smartphone" market is the bread & butter of Android, I'm still very pessimistic towards Jelly Bean & Android as a whole.

If tablets are on 1 yr life cycle, smart phones (to avg. user) are on 2 yr life cycle due to carrier contract. Until Google figures out a balancing act between smart phone & tablet.... this 1 yr OS iteration cycle only favors hardcore gadget collectors.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>Majority of your viewpoint is based on tablet PC perspective.

Sure, because tablets are where I see the explosion in mobiles will take place, not phones--no, that's not yet indicative from current trends. The reason being that phones will always be gated by carriers and the lack of cheap bandwidth. Most users will likely have only one phone (or one data plan), but they can have multiple tablets. Tablets have a much higher upside than smartphones--if nothing else than because they aren't limited to pocketable sizes.

>Considering that "smartphone" market is the bread & butter of Android, I'm still very pessimistic towards Jelly Bean & Android as a whole.

Yes, Android is still very phone-centric, and HC/ICS was an underwhelming foray into tablets. But it doesn't take a genius to see tablets' increasing prominence, and importance, in the overall scheme of mobile computing. The parameters are becoming more clear, and missteps as with RIM and HP are more unlikely. The rational projection is that Google will make appropriate adjustments to be competitive in the new market, as will Apple and MS.

>this 1 yr OS iteration cycle only favors hardcore gadget collectors.

Yours is based on the traditional PC model where the OS is uncoupled from the device. It's not cast in stone.

I think your worry is unfounded, as it's an extreme notion to expect users to buy new, say, $500 tablets every year. But new $200 tabs every year doesn't sound so bad. So, it's a function of price, among other things.

It's also a function of platform maturity. Tablet buyers now should realize they're buying a developing product with rapid obsolescence. As platforms mature, obsolescence will be less of a factor. Windows is a good example.

This is an involved topic with many variables in the mix. Suffice it to say that vendors will map out some sort of upgrade path to keep users happy, so they can continue to sell their wares. I don't think the current situation with Android tablets count as representative.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, I have to disagree on my worry or pessimism towards Jelly Bean & Android is unfounded. You make an argument as to current situation with Android tablets should be discounted, however, majority of your points and arguments are based on forecast & projection of overall tablet PC market. If current situation should be discounted, what else should I base it upon??

I do agree with many of your points. Such as platform maturity but you are also making my point. Android as a whole needs to mature & but with current iteration cycle, I simply don't see the maturity that comes with Android (or time to mature). Again, sorry to bring up Linux but Linux went through the same in PC & it simply did not mature as a platform.

> But new $200 tabs every year doesn't sound so bad.

$200 a yr isn't so bad, but this is only from GOOGLE atm. Can other OEMs follow suit & compete in price? Possibly, but more likely scenario in price is $300 to $400 imo. So, Google tablet can be the oddity instead of the majority....

Edit: Btw, we are being extremely generous with Android having 1 yr iteration cycle. It is closer to 6 to 8 month at best...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>If current situation should be discounted, what else should I base it upon??

If you take the current picture as gospel, then it's simple: There is no Android tablet market going forward. It will be permanently marginalized by iOS (and possibly Windows). For you, the patient has died, and you shouldn't buy another Android tablet, ever.

Do you think Windows 8 will have a picture-perfect launch? Have you ever used an MS v1.0 product?

>Android as a whole needs to mature

There is no mature tablet OS.

>$200 a yr isn't so bad, but this is only from GOOGLE atm

That new devices come out every year doesn't mean you have to upgrade every year. Most people upgrade every other year.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Now you are taking my approach to the extreme. The current situation is an indication that you cannot ignore. Majority of your perspective and points are based on future projection and forecast of overall PC tablet market. I agree, the growth in tablet PC market is greater over smart phone. But if we simply discuss software & interpret many of Andy Rubin's quote for future of Android (such as his perspective on smartphone & tablet apps being one).... Android tablet will play second fiddle to smart phone. Until proven otherwise by Google, I think it is wise to be pessimistic... and take the "wait" and "see" approach.

Also, with the current Android iteration cycle.. it is close to 6 to 8 month of actual utilization (by very limited devices might I add). Samsung is releasing SGSIII at the end of this month & sometime in summer.... a flagship smartphone for Samsung & Android. Jelly Bean.. if we are to believe all the rumors is expected to be released with Google's Android tablet.. which is expected to be launched at the same time as SGSIII in North America. We're looking at flagship smart phone (that has done so much for Android's growth) being outdated as soon as it gets released. Look at tablet market, only a handful are actually using ICS & previous generation of devices (selected few) will be upgraded at the time Jelly Bean will launch.

Yes, I have owned every single MS launch product. There's not a single picture perfect launch product. I do not believe Windows 8 will have perfect launch either. However, I expect Win 8 will at least last for 2+ yrs (along with service pack updates) ... & let it at least grow & mature. While I do dislike iOS, even iOS is simply growing & maturing from generation to generation. You simply cannot say that about Android as a whole & 6 to 8 month iteration cycle is just too damn short to even galvanize/judge the OS.

Again, unless you wish to obtain & use the latest Android OS offered by Google... one most purchase "launch" product of each OS upgrade from Google. It only favors the hardcore gadget collectors, early adopters who simply switch when new devices are launched & custom ROM enthusiasts.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
with Apple, I've already been there, done that. over 2 years with my Ipad. To me,Ipad can't compare to "MY" PRIME. leaps and bounds better. Then keyboard dock adds a whole other dimension to it. ill stick with Android. I might check out windows tablets if they looking really good. I have no plans to go back to Apple lockdown OS. Although I know my way around the barriers, just too much hassle.

glad you enjoying your new Ipad, but I like freedom of Android OS and the developement scene. Ipad has no developement scene. So to me, Android is far more advanced in what you able to do with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I'm not debating what's best for any given individual. I agree, there are things you can do on an Android tablet that you can't do on an iPad, and of course the opposite is true as well. I'd argue, there are more things you can do on an iPad that you literally can't do on an Android tablet because of the apps (e.g., watch HBO shows via the HBO Go app), but that's not a debate I want to get into.

What I was saying is: until Google and Android tablet makers fix these extant issues, the iPad will continue eating their lunch. I would much rather be using an Android tablet exclusively. At this point, though, I'd be giving up too much, and that's why the iPad has such a dominant position in the market. It's also, not coincidentally, why Android smartphones have a dominant position.

See where I'm going there?

Oh, and: the new iPad's screen looks like a quality printed magazine. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face that every Android tablet on the market (with the exception maybe of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7) looks like something printed with a dot matrix printer by comparison. Come on, Android tablet makers. Surely you can do better than this...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
aren't there enough threads about iOS versus android? why clutter this thread, that is meant to track infinity's release date.