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[Motorola Droid 3] tcrews:
I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.

So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.

This applies to any device at any update/upgrade point. Minimal cost additions (case, dock, etc..) and can be sold with the older device to increase its sale potential/price.

There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.

None of any manufactures lineups have intel chipsets and only a few are quad core...and 99% of all the LTE devices are being stepped down to dual core vs. their quad core counterparts (3G/GSM) variants.

I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.

I paid full retail, if an upgrade was available...I'd have done it the day my upgrade was available.

Tom

(Just my opinions...)
[Motorola Droid 3] koftheworld:
how long until vzw sends the d4 as a warranty replacement for dead d3's? :)
[Motorola Droid 3] ratman6161:
OK, ratman's theory of phone purchases: Never spend more than $50 on a phone. That's why I, like you, got a D3 not long before the D4 release. My wife actually got her D3 for free AFTER the D4 release. when you only spend $50 or less on it then you don't feel so bad when it becomes obsolete a couple of months later (as they almost always do). We got our D1's when they were two for $99 with renewal BTW.

So, since you have an upgrade coming, I'd say wait. Unless you are just pining away for 4G, a D4 isn't all that big an upgrade compared to a D3 until ICS comes out for it. On that it depends if you insist on the VZW official release or are willing to accept a leaked variant. By the time an official VZW release comes out, there will be new phones out and the D4 will become the $50 bargain basement phone...but still a great phone..and that's the time to make the move. It will probably be a long time before something faster than 4G comes along and I think a D4 with ICS is going to have about as much "staying power" as any phone on the market.

Of course then, people will be whining about "why can't I get Android 5.0, or 6.0 or 27.6 etc, etc.
[Motorola Droid 3] danifunker:
Will you risk having your phone on an unsupported update path? If you do, that's fine, go with the D4 now, hashcode and crew will sure have vanilla ICS running with hwcomposer as soon as he gets his D4.

I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).

In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.

Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.

Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.
[Motorola Droid 3] tcrews:
No, no intention of getting off the official update path. Just pointing out how complete the "leaked" ICS build is....that I expect the official release closer to a 3 month max time frame and not six months later.

The OP is on Verizon, so will have to worry about their data package plans/changes.
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
What world do you live in that you dont think 512mb of ram is enough...
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.

Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.
[Motorola Droid 3] The_Joe:
Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.

(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)

I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.

RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....

So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?

-A quad core proccesor

-A removable battery

-Unlocked bootloader

-2 gigs of ram

-Higher clock speed (Of course)

I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/

Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
[Motorola Droid 3] savedR:
What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.

I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.

AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.

See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.
[Motorola Droid 3] The_Joe:
I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.

Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.

What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
I meant to say Moto over HTC. And 512 is fine for me, I have no problems at all with my phone. Never use any more than 300mb of ram. But yeah, moto is dumb. Phones out with 720p screens a year before moto can do it.. but at least they can get a battery right
[Motorola Droid 3] danifunker:
Who knows what's really in the works now, but there haven't been many 2012 phones announced yet this year other than the HTC one series, a couple of LG phones and the galaxy S3. Motorola did say that they will be partnering up with Intel, with their medfield architecture earlier this year. I'm just saying, we don't know what's coming this year.
[Motorola Droid 3] ratman6161:
Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.

When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.

That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
I dont expect every release to be a breakthrough, but at least significantly better, if its not going to be they should stop coming out with so many new devices. D2 was what the droid 3 should have been, droid 4 should have been droid 3. X2 should have been bionic, bionic should have been razr, razr should have been what this new upcoming fighter should be. Motorola sucks.
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
To answer someone whose name i just forgot but tried to remember lol, i like htc&samsung over moto because their dev communtiy doesnt have to jump through as many hurdles to get a full functional rom. Htc began unlocking their bootloader like they said, which shows the company actually gives a f*** about their word (i hate when companies just say things but never do them). And their lines are mainly updated yearly, like most logical phone lines. Whats not great about those two lol

About quadcore.. thats a gimmick, you guys will never NEED quad core on your phone. Well not for some years actually, its a nice feature that if the OS is built from source on would be worth it. But no OS will as that will limit what phones can run it, jellybean will not me min spec quad core. Tegra3 may be worth it cause i mean lik cmon, nvidia knows what there doing, but thats just for those of you looking for the best game apps. Thats it. Dual core has the processing power you will need. But quad core just sounds soooo much better lol
[Motorola Droid 3] danifunker:
Hehe, after all my back and forth about the same issue, I just found a uses D4 for a little more than 300. I should be able to get at least 200 for my XT860, so for me, a 100 dollars upgrade is worth it.

Sent from my XT860 running ICS
[Motorola Droid 3] ratman6161:
Yup, that proves my point exactly. We have already hit the point where there just are not going to be any significant improvements for a long time. Onec you have a dual core cpu and 4G, it just isn't going to be any better than that for a at least a couple of years.

Check out the discussion elsewhere in this thread about quad core cpu's. It's just like the desktop PC market where for the vast majority of people a dual core i3 is more than good enough for anything they might do. Yet we continue to see Intel releasing new generations of i7 hyper-threaded quad cores - 8 total threads when much of the software people use can barely take advantage of 2.

Why do they keep coming out with new phones anyway? Because people keep buying them, that's why. Jut because they make them doesn't mean we have to buy them. They will stop coming out with 50 zillion new phones every year when it stops making money for them - which is to say when people stop buying them. As I keep saying, get off the upgrade treadmill.
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
Ratman got it spot on. Especially since moto updates dont even bring better displays or other technology. Its just usually a different processor...

Although i7's are meant to be targeted to people who can handle an i3. Those have a point, its just the consumers who are wasting there money when they dont need them. But there meant for people using programs extensive like Maya and such. Those have a point lol. Rendering a 2hour maya movie woulkd take days on an i3.
[Motorola Droid 3] slayer621:
I agree with the people saying quadcore is unnecessary. My flipping laptop is a dual core (i5 2.3ghz) and it runs smooth as butter. Until we are running games with console/pc quality graphics and performance on our phones, then we will not need quad core. Hell, my laptop can run Skyrim with ultra graphic settings.
[Motorola Droid 3] tcrews:
I just did the "upgrade" from D3 to D4 yesterday.

Similar to when I upgraded from the Original Droid to the D3 (the OG Droid felt more comfortable in my hand and use experience was more familiar) the D3 still has that slight pull over the D4 in familiarity/comfort.

Other than that...

4G vs. 3G

2.3.6 OS vs. 2.3.4 OS

ICS coming

1.2 Ghz vs. 1.0 Ghz

1 Gb ram vs. 512 Mb ram

Improved keyboard

I've configured the D4 to how I setup my phone and it's starting to "feel familiar" as I'm adjusting to the slightly different form factor/size. I definitely like the 4G speeds, can't really say the memory difference is noticeable yet...though I just finished "de-bloating" it last night like I did my D3.

The keyboard is noticeably better than the D3. Much easier to see in the dark, better spacing feel between keys, much closer to a standard keyboard layout for symbols and such....

So now I'm locked in on a 4G plan/unlimited.....if when they officially start the Family Shared Data Plans and stop allowing 3G to 4G unlimited changes (if...haven't seen anything official on self-upgrading from 3G to 4G...only on renewing/discounted 3G to 4G).
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
Just bought a Droid 4. Can't wait to get it. I have a Droid 3 right now. Not a big update but its better. I love this Droid 3. Can't wait to compare.
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
Question? Are these your upgrades or are you guys going retail fort he phone?
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
XDA marketplace fool
[Motorola Droid 3] tcrews:
I went full retail. My upgrade isn't due until 3/08/2013. Plus upgrading then will kill the unlimited data package...so I just bit the bullet now.
[Motorola Droid 3] mtva24:
I just moved from the Droid 3 to the Galaxy Nexus....I just added a line and got the GNEX for $199, then switched the GNEX to my primary, and reactivated my old LG dumb phone on my new secondary line (to avoid a data plan). I think my bill will go up $20 a month, but oh well...
[Motorola Droid 3] AragornPE:
For me, I'm done with Motorola. Warranty in Brazil is simply terrible, no updates, perfectly fine phones being forgotten. Also, I found out that I no longer miss the physical keyboard. Virtual keyboard now is faster and more comfortable for me to use than the physical, and the physical is starting to show the same defects D2 keyboard had (double letters, dead keys). My next phone will be a Samsung without keyboard.

Rocking with my M3 and XDA app
[Motorola Droid 3] mtva24:
Amen to the highlighted...I barely used the physical keyboard on my D3
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
I rarely will use it too, but its always nice to have :)
[Motorola Droid 3] cappysw10:
Love the physical kb, that's why I got the phone. Back to Samsuck, at least you get unlocked bootloaders. Bye Moto!
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
Got my droid 4 today, Everything about this phone is better than the droid 3, even the screen! The screens use the same technology, but I **** you not, the screen on the droid 4 is much much better, for some odd reason. Keyboard too.
[Motorola Droid 3] jediman:
After checking out the Droid 4, I can safely conclude it's just a droid 3.5. Slightly oc'd proc really, some extra ram (gobbled up by bloat by default), and 4g..woo.

I'm gonna just say it...goodbye moto!
[Motorola Droid 3] The_Joe:
I made my decision, I am going to wait till custom ICS roms for the Droid 4 are released that use the new kernel, featuring Video Camera and such, as well as volume button music control. Till then, I'll stick with my D3. If a new phone is released that is gooder before then, great. If it drops in price, awesome.

Thanks for all the input y'all!
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
thats probably the smarter thing to do.
[Motorola Droid 3] TheMuffStuff:
Doesnt the droid 4 leak have all of that?
[Motorola Droid 3] tcrews:
Close...but the Droid 3's less ram is also "gobbled up by bloat by default" and you have less of it to start. And you forgot two other things......a better physical keyboard with a better lighting design (edge lit around the keys, easier to see) and Ice Cream Sandwich is coming. Those should take it up to a Droid 3.75 maybe???

Owning both...the Droid 3 should have never been released. The Droid 4 is the right device if you want the best keyboard Android phone.

I still prefer Motorola's radios over the other brands....I hear more complaints of cell call issues from Samsung, HTC, etc....then from Motorola devices.

(trying to put both phones in the dark at work isn't easy....Droid 3 in front, Droid 4 in rear.....or D4 on left and D3 on right the way it shows up...)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mattlgroff:
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http://bbs.gfan.com/android-4093649-1-1.html

Original:

Translated (badly, by google translate.):

I don't want to cause a stir unneeded, but what it sounds like is this release-keys FB files unlocked the bootloader of this phone.... Someone correct me if I am wrong.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
That's basically what it's saying.....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Will try improve this text.

Edit:

He got the OTA file.

Fashed the .sbf leak into a Razr Maxx.

Phone did not started at the first time, he got stuck in M logo.

So started ap fastboot mode and wiped user data/ cache twice.

Then phone started normally and it have unlocked bootloader. (

>>> He didn't unlocked bootloader, just figure out after flashing and phone reboots <<<

The 'Andrews' proceed he followed with photos:

http://www.2zj.com/news/2012/0429/142/67.html
[Motorola Droid RAZR] darkavenger_u2:
Pedro Link doesnt work
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
Why dont we extract his BL n try flashing?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] theZest:
Gotta same firmware onboard and cannot understand how he got his BL unlocked. Some kind of magic? :D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Skrilax_CZ:
"AP Fastboot Flash Mode (SE)"

SE -> Secure Engineering; same bootlodaer, different eFuses blown.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] luizfilipel:
Anybody know if the verizon version was really released yesterday?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] nischalnischal:
this mean that Bootloader unlock is not possible isnt it?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
I totally quote Skrilax_CZ. He've got an unlocked device because of different eFuses blown.

It's like having a RAZR Developer Edition.

BL Unlock isn't possible on RAZR, otherwise I wouldn't have put any effort on kexec... :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Btw. The firmware he used to flash is the same chinese leak. Had you guys noticed that?

Cheers
[Motorola Droid RAZR] farhanito:
Indeed.

And it didn't unlock mine :D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cellzealot:
There are 3 types of Motorola OMAP devices.

S= Secured : a stock production locked bootloader

SE= Secure Engineering : an engineering model that has a signed and secure bootloader that does not perform any other checks on kernel or other components above the bootloader.

For all intents and purposes this is the same as an unlocked bootloader. The OG Droid is an SE device.

NS= Non Secured: a fully open device with no checks performed and no eFuses set or blown on the OMAP chip itself.

It is the mbmloader that contains the encrypted signatures, not the bootloader itself. On dual core devices, the bootloader is the same for all three types and the firmware files contain both NS and HS versions of the mbmloader. There is a separate bootloader that allows flashing of the mbmloader and that checks the ro.secure status of the device and flashes the right mbmloader. Then the bootloader is flashed and the rest of the partitions are subsequently flashed.