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[HTC Sensation] ddsepillo:
wow thank you sir hehe im back online in my phone from the beginning 6hrs ago hehe. at least i have learned a lot from you..

i have a question.what happens when the phone bricks and what causes it..

what do you i should do next and what did go wrong last 6hrs ago.and do you think i continue it?

many many thanks hehe all of your thread i hit the thanks button
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Glad everything got sorted out.

When phone hard bricks ..you can't even turn on the phone ..any soft brick can be fixed ;)

what causes it ..there are several ways that might happen...more generic one is ..like especially when flashing firmwares.

You can simply root/flash ROMs while being SON ..check for asskickars guide on "flashing ROMs with SON" in sensation general section and follow that to the letter ..you will come out fine.
[HTC Sensation] ddsepillo:
sir do you think i should now continue this wire thing??

---------- Post added at 01:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:02 PM ----------

then i will skip the rooting part??or the over clocking part?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
You always have bit he the ways... you can start fresh with SOFF again...but you need to flash custom recovery and root then should try wire trick ..or if you are scared of wire trick you can do just flash ROMs with SON ..just check the guide I've linked and choose what you want
[HTC Sensation] sorceforge:
Hi, I am here to ask you guys a question.

Before getting started, actually, I have to say that I am using Sensation, without S-OFF, but I do know how to perform the trick, so, this is the story of one of my friends.

His previous Sensation has problem on too much battery drainage, so, he recently got exchanged to new one. This new Sensation made in Aug 2012, so we can consider this one has new mainboard.

As you know, because the token from new mainboard is not accepted in HTCDEV, so, he decided to do S-OFF, however, he was stuck from the very beginning. He did wire-trick with his UTP cable, but, his Sensation turned off right after. Thus, he failed to achieve successful S-OFF due to this problem. Well, he attempted many times, but the result was the same. Consequently, he stopped doing S-OFF and thinking of selling the device.

Is there any advice? I keep thinking of the solution, but I can't.

I attached the evidence which he sent to me.

p.s. : I already read the tip, but, it is said that '1.5 seconds is the ideal pause time,' but, as I said, his phone just turns off right after doing the trick.
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
What I would say is.. Try the wire trick.. It definitely works.. But it has only small margin of success for wire trick... that's why you might need more tries

What all i can say is reduce the pause time and see

0.5 sec tap - - 1.5 sec pause - - 0.5 sec tap

It is really a wonderful device for the price once you got soff and flash custom roms :)

Also look at troubleshoot point #3

It has general tips for wire trick
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Also it is turning off right after first tap means.. He is tapping for longer duration or pause time between two taps is too high

He simply needs to try proper tapping.. There are couple of videos for this (the troubleshoot shoot point #3 also has one) ask him to follow that
[HTC Sensation] sorceforge:
As I said, right after he taps with the cable, his phone gets rebooted, so, I asked him once again, and he said it happens after 0.03 seconds.

To be added, before he exchanged the phone, he had been using Sensation that was successfully S-OFFed, which means that he has experience.

That's why I think either phone, a sdcard, or, maybe, the program itself is the origin.

EDIT : He told me that he succeeded. I told your solution, so, he just tapped once again even though it reboots, and it is now S-OFFed.

Thank you. :D
[HTC Sensation] randras83:
That's right, keep on tryin, when I tried to S-OFF it succeed for the fourth time, its not impossible It's about perfect timing.

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[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Well ask him to ignore the reboot and complete the wire trick (two taps completely) .. For some devices it reboots just after first tap too..
[HTC Sensation] witchyu:
I have stuck here :

On my Sensation is stock rom( android 4.0.3) and software 3.33.401.6

Pleas help
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Uninstall htc sync on your pc and try again...

Also please read pre-requisites in the OP and make sure you met all of them
[HTC Sensation] witchyu:
Thanks for the replay.

I do not have HTC sync on my LapTop, i gonna try it on a another desktop PC.

Sorry, what means OP ?:o

Thank you ganeshp
[HTC Sensation] malybru:
Hi,

Original Poster

Opening Post

:)
[HTC Sensation] matekaneve:
Original Poster -> First post in this thread
[HTC Sensation] ddsepillo:
should be really need to S-OFF or not??

sir ganeshp i have a question.. was is the difference between S-OFF and S-ON.. PROS and CONS of both?.. difference in perfomance.. do you think to maximize the performance should really get S-OFF if it really need to be.may i should study the process more to understand it..thanks regards:D
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
SOFF -> Unlock of all partitions ..thus you can modify any part of software of your Phone

PROS:

1. gives you complete freedom ..you can literally tinker with any thing

2. Its like a door to Heaven ..i mean you can enter the custom ROM world ..and by flashing a good custom rom ..you will indeed have

performance improvements

CONS:

1. Easier to brick ..as you have unlock on every partition ..one wrong step in firmware flashing (low level drivers )..you might potentially

have a brick in your Hand ..but this can be easily prevented ..by being careful while flashing firmwares(verifying md5's before hand )

..and following the instructions properly

SON -> completely LOCKED ..you cant even root and will be stuck with stock ROM

SON with HTC-DEV unlocked bootloader -> unlocks system,boot,recovery and data partitions

PROS:

1. Gives you the ability to flash custom roms of same version

meaning ..if you do HTC-DEV unlock over stock ICS then you can flash any ICS/JB custom ROMS

and if you did HTC-DE unlock over stock GB (2.3.x) then you can flash custom stock GB ROMS

2. Little bit secure i would say ..so hard to hard brick this one ..as all the important low level software partitions are locked

CONS:

1. The Custom ROM flashing process is little bit different for this case (check asskickars guide on "flashing ROMS with SON " in

sensation general section )..and some times you might need to do some extra steps to boot the custom ROM

2. You cant change the RADIO and also cant flash firmwares ..which might help in getting better signal (not always true )

hope this covers up your questions :)
[HTC Sensation] ddsepillo:
sir ganeshp thanks :)

just one more question. as i understand in the s-on flashing roms.. you can only flash roms with the same firmware.. on me may xe run at 3.33.707.151.. i can flash roms 3.33.4xx?

can you game me some list of roms that can be run on the same firm.as i search on net andrdcndy site type on google.. one 4 roms are compatible in my firm... as i see on the site??..

and one more thing..

what specifically can hard brick the phone on s-off?? worng process or flash wrong roms??.thanks again
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
When flashing roms while being SON

If you have 3.32.xx/3.33.xx then you can flash any roms which asks for 3.32.xx/3.33.xx so typically all ics/jellybean roms :)

Hard brick... Can happen

1.If you flashed corrupted firmwares/radio

2. Or Roms of other devices (most this won't happen.. As there will be device checks before flashing the roms )
[HTC Sensation] ddsepillo:
would it be possible for rom manager for me for easy change of rom?like shown on youtube..
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Nope iirc rom manager won't work over ics/jb roms
[HTC Sensation] ddsepillo:
while flashing new roms. will always need super wipe before flashing roms on 4EXT?
[HTC Sensation] witchyu:
Thanks, for the answears, guys :)
[HTC Sensation] haifish9999:
I've a question: do everything from your advice but when I 've started Juopunutbear it's always said: device need to be unlock bootloader by HTCDEV.( You said here : NO HTCDEV UNLOCK). What's wrong with me and how can I do that again( s-off with Hboot 1.29)???
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
you downloaded the wrong version of juopunutbear ..check the steps again ..ive given you the link where to download the correct version one
[HTC Sensation] haifish9999:
I has the newest version of Juopunutbear( v 0.8). But I've got s-off my brother's device now with HTCDEV unlock bootloader( maybe it's eseay with this). Thanks again
[HTC Sensation] mrhao:
WOW,tks you very much

I worked with your guide and I was successfully

My phone: LOCKED HBOOT 1.29.0000 S-On :D
[HTC Sensation] HaYaHa:
Thank you for making this guide.

With the help of this guide, i rooted my phone. At the moment i am runing CM10 from Bruce.
[HTC Sensation] Pyromancer:
By doing this we can install another rom and still have warranty. Am i correct?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Nope.. Having SOFF means you voided the warranty.. But the catch here is.. This method makes your phone SOFF in safe way and you can completely restore to stock easily (there are lots of guides for it).

Here is safe way means a way where htc can't trace that you have done SOFF on the device ;)
[HTC Sensation] ahmedrzvi:
will this work with HTC Desire Z 2.3.3? thanks :cowboy:
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
No... This is for sensation.. Search in your respective device thread
[HTC Sensation] JG:
WOW I wish I seen this when I was setting up my device a few days ago!could of saved me some frustration!:good:
[HTC Sensation] rojovilla:
I agree! About to root my wife's phone and noticed she had 1.2x bootloader :D

Subscribed and will be back! Thanks ganesh!
[HTC Sensation] brightfame:
Hi, I was able to get S-OFF using the temp root method and followed the instructions for the one click root after that. install was successful but I did not get root. I couldn't update superuser because root access failed and when using root checker, it tells my device is not rooted. Any ideas what else I can do?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Run the root again.. Sometimes you need to run the root more than one time (max 3 times) to get proper root
[HTC Sensation] brightfame:
I have done it for the third time and each time it shows success in the command prompt, but still no root.

Question, do I also need to be connected to HTC SYNC while doing this? I did that for the temproot part of the guide, but for the one click root I am just connected as charging w/ usb debugging ON.
[HTC Sensation] sbraiala:
hopeness going out

And with this, i lost every my hopeness.. i ll really sell my mobile....

Starting up......

Connecting to device...

Searching device.....

Found device.....Board not detected!!, please report this error!!

Unknow board detected, cannot continue

Press ENTER to exit.....
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
You sure you are not getting any errors shown in the command prompt when running the one-click-root?

Anyways the charging mode will do.. Something is not right here.. Root the bother way then.. Flash a custom recovery and flash su zip :/
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Wow that's new... Is it sensation device? Also which hboot?
[HTC Sensation] rojovilla:
SMH...Please don't waste our forum space :D
[HTC Sensation] brightfame:
Ok so I was able to get root but not by flashing su zip from recovery. I tried that at first several times with no luck. So I thought since I was doing all this in preparation of flashing a custom rom, I'll just go ahead and try that and it worked. I have root now with ARHD.

Thanks for your help and assistance! The S-OFF part was the toughest thing and your guide really helped me do it finally.
[HTC Sensation] theeddy42:
for those having issues with one-click temproot for s-off:

remember that the touchscreen is very unstable. be sure not to touch it until you run joupunutbear.
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
ok my sensation is turned back from warranty...

I want return to s-off i see the first post. I have the 100% stock rom what's the fast method for this operation? I think is with temproot tool right?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
the fastest method is ..HTC-DEV unlock and Juopunutbear SOFF as wire trick is much easier there
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
the winner is kekkojoker90 :D and now have s-off (1 hour of try) and after s-off the big problem is the failing of recovery flash i need to flash universal firmware first of other operation.
[HTC Sensation] TommyBeretta:
Anyone knows how to S-ON it back again ?!
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
read this guide
[HTC Sensation] paupaix:
i followed the instructions for no wire trick but control bear is asking me

i followed the instructions for no wire trick but control bear is asking me to wire trick and i have not opened the back cover of my phone. please help
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Controlbear means wire trick

Now disconnect the phone... Remove the back cover.. Then do the wire trick then connect the phone back again
[HTC Sensation] paupaix:
re

Can i still do the no wire trick thing?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
1.2x hboot? Then no way without wire trick
[HTC Sensation] paupaix:
re

its counting to 45 and not detecting device
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Un install htc sync if installed

Also power on the phone manually if the phone is powered off
[HTC Sensation] paupaix:
re

BTW, i followed the wrong instruction. i used the cmd and typed

adb shell mv /data/local/tmp /data/local/tmp.orig

adb shell ln -s /data /data/local/tmp

adb reboot

adb shell echo "ro.kernel.qemu=1" > /data/local.prop

adb reboot

what will that do?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
That will give temp root to the device.. During which you will have black screen with just status bar on the top.. To remove it type the other set of instructions which were mentioned after controlbear
[HTC Sensation] paupaix:
re

should i run the temp_root_remove.bat when my phone is on the white screen with s-off?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Read the instructions as to when to run the bat file
[HTC Sensation] paupaix:
SUCCESS!!!

Thanks man! you're the best!
[HTC Sensation] ifti_a:
awesome guide

works excellent, i had to search for the no htc dev unlock method on the unlimited.io webpage which took a while....

i recently read that the htc dev unlock method void warranty ? so this is why i had to do the no htc dev method.

but this works perfectly. after the wire trick you my need to press power button cause the wire trick turns off the device.

also i did this the whole precess without the back cover and always connected to the computer.

hope this helps
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
glad everything got sorted :D

PS: in XDA you say thanks via thank button :P :D

1.Ive linked the page right..is the link broken ?

2. HTC-DEV unlock might void the warranty ..not will :) also ..they havent denied warranty until now ..even after when some people send the phone back with UNLOCKED status ..this method is just a precaution ..and mainly this process is for people who cant UNLOCK their device when the device came back from service center with motherboard replacement :)

3. the exact process of the wire trick will cause the phone to reboot ..but for some people it switches off even though it went success ..so you fell in the later category

and njoy SOFF :) ..welcome to the free(dom) world :D
[HTC Sensation] tekken1972:
Temproot zip

will temproot zip work on the evo 3d the same way it works on sensation, than can we use this method without unlocking evo 3d using Juopunutbear corresponding files for evo 3d?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Nope won't work

Temp root after modding to support your device might work

But at the end juopuntbear should release the supported tool for your device
[HTC Sensation] anthonyly:
I will try this method as soon as i get some wires... where can i get them LOL

Since

ahah i was frustrated with my phone since i just got it back then just found out that htc dev will not work with shipped back sensations..
[HTC Sensation] jbl0ggs:
Ok, I have a "virgin" HTC Sensation, that is, never been rooted/modified. I'm a little confused as every S-OFF / Rooting thread I visit is pointing me to other threads, including this one pointing to HTCDev and Auggie2K threads. All I'm looking for is a noob guide that tells me in ordered steps what I need to do. My understanding generally is that first I need to get S-OFF, then ROOT, then Load Recoveries. After this I should be able to load custom roms and unlock my phone. But this pointing and re-pointing in all the threads is sooo confusing to a noob like me. So for someone with a HTC Sensation phone that has never been rooted/modified, what steps do I follow?

Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks !!!
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Well the reason I've linked Auggue2k thread is.. Coz the process is same at the end.. And literally speaking its just one step.. "Wire trick" (I think I said to start from step #5 in Auggue2k guide) that's all there is to it :)

All the initial steps I've mentioned is to make the phone ready for the wire trick.. If you follow it properly/orderly it is indeed noob guide I believe

And read it properly the steps are all there and proper (also not confusing I hope) :)
[HTC Sensation] Uri1234:
Warranty

Hi

I have a Sensation with stock 1.27 hboot

My warranty is for more 1 year.

Not really sure about something:

On juopunutbear official website it says that devices that can go htcdev bootloader unlock (like mine) will not use this no unlocking method.

My question is, can I do this without unlocking my bootloder via htcdev?

Also, if lets say I want to ship my device for warranty repair, can I undo this process? (s-on)

Thanks in advance

Uri
[HTC Sensation] malybru:
Hi,

No HTCDEV unlock is HERE

S-on again is HERE

:)
[HTC Sensation] Uri1234:
Is it safe to do this on a device that can go htcdev unlock?

Overall, is that process hard?

Uri
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
It is completely safe and

Yes the wire trick is bit hard here when compared to the htc-Dev unlock way..
[HTC Sensation] gongonzales:
Hello. I am little confused because point 6. (6.get the latest control bear...). On linked web page it is written that "These instructions are NOT for devices that are capable of achieving HTC Dev Unlock but you just don't want to." Can you explain please? Many thanks for this thread and sorry about my english. :confused:
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
That is because.. The htcdev unlock one is easier in wire trick part... When there is easier way.. Why go for tough one? ;)
[HTC Sensation] gongonzales:
Thanks. Now i understand ;)

One another question. Am I right when I say - if I skip Wire Trick step and use 4ext smartflash, then I will be able flash any custom rom with S-ON. Thanks.
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
yes ..if you have HTC-DEV unlock and ics stock rom already then ....you can flash any custom ICS/Jelly Bean roms with 4EXT smartflash :)
[HTC Sensation] adv392:
Trust me took like 3 hours to get the timing right, better to go the HTC unlock way.

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
[HTC Sensation] gongonzales:
I'm thinking about it, but my phone is still under warranty, so I'm afraid to use HTCdev.

Anyone know if this guide is possible with 32GB SD card? Unlimited.io web says (2GB - 16GB) but I have 32GB only. :eek:
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Yes it will work.. But be sure to back up the card before hand
[HTC Sensation] gongonzales:
I really appreciate your quick response and thank you very much for all the advice. :good:
[HTC Sensation] gongonzales:
I have a problem in step 7.

Can you help what is wrong, please?

[EDIT] When I try to start ControlBear again is needed to run temproot again too? Thans.
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
No need to do temp root again... But did the temp root ran properly at first?
[HTC Sensation] :
Can someone please help me? I'm trying to s-off the phone without htc dev unlock. I run temproot successfully and then run CB and do the wire trick. At this point it says waiting for device and starts counting to 45 but the phone has been powered off. So I press the power button once, and CB finds the device. However, it is not successful, and gives me error code 66732337/ Any advice?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
check the troubleshoot point #3 ...the wire trick tips mentioned there

the device powering off means ..the pause time is too high ..or the second tap is not proper ..reduce the pause time

i.e.

0.5 sec tap ---- 1.5 sec pause ------0.5 sec tap
[HTC Sensation] masterchief456:
Hi

I was using the paperclip method as described in the opening post. But while i was doing this my phone just died.

I can't reboot it, the led light won't go on even as it's charging. So i'm guessing it has a short circuit. Is there anything I can do to fix it, or should I send it back under warranty?

regard
[HTC Sensation] kgs1992:
Read the post linked to in troubleshooting point 3.
[HTC Sensation] Skeltenaer:
Juopunutbear stuck at waiting ADB

I have the exact same problem and can confirm the temp root ran properly. I tried running controllbear severall times with the same results every time. My phone has Hboot 1.27.0000 and has a new mobo (htc-dev unluck doesnt work).

Is there anything I can try?
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Those are some new steps introduced... In the tool it seems.. (testing adb/fastboot... I think these are not really required)

Anyways did the phone switched off after this process

When that thing failed?

Edit: are you using the right tool?

The correct file should have NOHTCDEV in the zip file name..iirc
[HTC Sensation] Skeltenaer:
How stupid... Tried all kinds of things but I just had the wrong files -_-

The NOHTCDEV files worked immediately (even the wire trick worked first time round :D)

Tnx and sorry for my stupidity :p
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
1.brick wont be possible if you follow steps carefully ...during in the middle of wire trick (i.e after you started doing wire trick but didnt completed 2 taps yet )..if the phone got disconnected..the phone might get bricked

2. if you use this way ..there wont be any juopunutbear screen ....for how to recover it ... read troubleshoot guide

3.CWM flashing is OT here :) ...anyways of course if you have done JB soff and JB hboot (also just HTC_DEV unlock will suffice) you can use the fastboot command you have mentioned for flashing CWM recovery
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
1. read troubleshoot point #3 ..there couple of recovery steps mentioned ..when phone got disconnected

2. you can flash CWM via PG58IMG way ..once you attain SOFF (with stock hboot )
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
for both the questions ..check the video present in the troubleshoot point #3 ;)
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
Yes that way you can get rid of static in your fingers
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
As long as the phone meet the pre-requisites mentioned in the OP

It is safe to run the tool
[HTC Sensation] NanTosh:
Hi Ganesh,

I did the temproot successfully, then I followed the steps to run control bear, did the wire trick but I got this error

Then i closed the window and tried to remove the temp root by the script provided by you but didn't get any success and now i can't use my phone.:crying: Is there any way to remove the temp root and make my cell phone usable/normal? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks

I did this on Sensation 4G and this was the first time I attempted any kind of hacking on Android.

Edit: Got the temp root removed! I turned off the phone manually and then turned it ON again and tried the same temp root remove script provided by you and it worked. Android hacking seems to be very complicated process and I think I should better leave it to the expert hackers like you. Thanks though! :)
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
well I'm glad that it got sorted :)

and sorry ..i was afk for past few hours so was unable to reply promptly :)
[HTC Sensation] gongonzales:
Wire Trick method is the hell for me, maybe bad sd card, dont know. Finaly I used HTCdev and have S-ON. Anyway, many thanks for all information here, very usefull thread.
[HTC Sensation] ganeshp:
There ate couple of tips for wire trick... Check the troubleshoot point #3