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[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
You keep missing the point, I'm sorry but i have to say that :( first of all ram was just an example i used because you mentioned it. And I'm sorry but even if you were an expert authority on costs of materials, you can't convince me that a company like Samsung with all of its resources and mass production capabilities cant put in more ram because of cost considerations.

Do you realize that you are saying something that has been proven wrong since last year. The SII was released with a dual core cpu when no other phone did it before, same goes for ram, and screen, and design thickness. Were you seriously sitting around the day before the S2 was released saying that "its too early, we dont need dual core, or 1 gb of ram, and phones dont need to be ~8mm thin." :confused::mad::eek:

Seriously, stop making excuses, I admit its a nice phone, BUT it didnt destroy the competition like the SII did a year ago [for an entire year]. Its not a big enough leap IMO, and it leaves too much room for the iPhone 5 to trump it in a few months. Which is worrying because the next iPhone is a full step up, not an incremental upgrade. I've invested alot of time into android, and if i want the best [like most people do, prolly sounds weird to you] I'm going to have to jump ship to the best phone even if its an iPhone and that means the time i've invested in android was a waste.
[Galaxy S III General] skimminstones:
maybe read other parts of the forum and post in the correct sections next time
[Galaxy S III General] Kiahnlliya:
The one thing I kinda hate about the SGS3 is also one of the reasons why I bought it.

I hate the fact that Samsung gave in to Apple and made a phone that doesn't violate Apple's patents (though it's not really about patents, is it? It's more about brand recognition, whatever that means...)

It's like Apple is the bully who beats up people every day to get their lunch money, and Samsung is the cowardly kid who decides to pay his lunch money up front every month, straight into the bully's bank account to avoid getting pestered.

It really bothers me that Samsung rolled over like this. The big bad scary American with all the lawyers prevails, and Samsung cowers in the corner with its tail between its legs. That's what it looks like to me.

And that's also a big part of why I decided to buy the phone and get rid of the iPhone. I have been very satisfied with the iPhone, I really have. But I can't stand the way Apple is doling out those lawsuits, and I don't want to support their actions with my money any more. I'd rather give my 600€ to Samsung. Seems like they need it more, and I'd rather give it to them.

Of course that is not my main reason for buying the SGS3, but it is

a

reason
[Galaxy S III General] MitchAifa:
I think Apple is so desperate right now, they need to use Steve Jobs (RIP) to hype the upcoming iPhone more..
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
Its sad that you had to resort to a complaint because you missed the point of the post. its ironic that 5 mins after i replied to your Q, the post was moved to the SIII forum:confused: seriously. Oh well, there will always be people out there like you. Good luck in life buddy. :)
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
This guy gets it :D finally... thanks button to you my friend just for understanding
[Galaxy S III General] thebobp:
Samsung needed the specs last year to build a brand name for themselves - and they did. Now that they're somewhat differentiated from the rest of the android manufacturers, they don't have to worry too much about competing directly against them, only the iPhone.

As you surmise, the iPhone people who were swayed by hardware would've jumped ship last year. So, one possible rationale is that now it's time to attract those people who stayed for the software.

I see this as typical corporate behavior. Firms don't spend money innovating or bringing a better product unless they have to. There was little point in upgrading the S3 that much further due to its differentiated status, and so they didn't. There was a point, however, in taking on their remaining competitor, Apple.

It's not an ideal set of circumstances and, as usual, there's only one remedy: competition. Competition forces firms to do better no matter how stubborn they want to be. In this case, LG's 2GB RAM is a godsend; it'll guarantee that the next generation also ships with that. In an ideal world, google+motorola would start making a nexus prototype with premium specs, that the other nexii are forced to compete against, and nokia would stop being dumbly afraid of the competition and start dropping in some excellent designs. Not holding my breath on that last one, though.
[Galaxy S III General] Kiahnlliya:
Yay! I'm a part of something! :D
[Galaxy S III General] hefonthefjords:
I dont see how samsung are trying to compete with apple in any way, other than poking a bit of fun in their marketing but thats more poking fun at fanboyism when you really think about it.

Apple havent brought out a new phone so i doubt samsung gives a crap about trying to compete with a generation ago's devices.
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
YES! this is the logic behind their strategy, now what do you think about it, its understandable, but is it acceptable/worth it for you as a consumer, in terms of why u have an s2 and whether you'd want the s3?

btw thank buttoned you ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
I don't see any reason to doubt that this is actually the most advanced phone that Samsung can put out at this price point today. I mean what more can we really expect from them considering that they can't do magic? They put out the best phone on the market once again.
[Galaxy S III General] bumsock:
I believe in magic. :(
[Galaxy S III General] thebobp:
Er, no; it's only once in a giant, giant haystack that a company's strategy coincides precisely with consumer interests, and it's usually an accidental and temporary phenomenon.

The explanation doesn't affect how much I want the s3 in any way. I reserve my rage for the egregious crimes against consumers like the patent trolling instigated by Apple and Microsoft; those do nothing except to seek rents for themselves out of the consumers' pockets.
[Galaxy S III General] rovex:
Im not worried in the least by the iPhone 5. Samsung know what will be in it because they will be making half of it. iphones are not about hardware, they are about software and user experience, the hardware is just there to make it happen. It doesnt matter to me and many others if the iP5 has a supercomputer powering it, we wont be buying one regardless. Even if it did have the best CPU it would be wasted because its in an iPhone!

If you actually look at the iPhones history it only ever had incremental upgrades, nothing revolutionary, even going from the 3 to the 4 all the change was the better screen and the new back cover, plus some software changes that introduces thing it should always have had. Nothing Apple do with the iPhone interests me at all because its still a closed, limited system thats impersonal and boring.
[Galaxy S III General] Isadora:
Samsung, like all other companies, is in it to make money - that's the bottom line. Of course they want to attract more customers, be it from Apple or anyone else. Rightly or wrongly, people care about the *numbers*

I've got better things to do than going round bragging about what my phone can do, or berate people over their choice of device - people are free to buy whatever they think is best for them.

Well you've still got the fanboy mentality... Albeit a different brand. How is that any better?

I don't like iStuff because it just doesn't suit me, and I really can't understand all the hype about it but I won't say it's cr*p or whatever - what isn't right for one person might be perfect for someone else.
[Galaxy S III General] rovex:
Samsung are cleaning up in the Android world, but there are only so many people in that world, it needs to actually hurt iPhone sales and the S3 is an attempt to do that.

I dont have a problem with that because unlike HTC who are also trying, they haven't forgotten those that made them popular, the technology fans. It has all the features and ease of use that iPhone fans need, but it has all the thing we want as well. SD cards, removable batteries, unlocked bootloaders. Its the best of both worlds.
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
I respect that, well put and everything, but as a consumer were you happy with what we got, didnt you kinda expect more? Samsung is thinking of itself, and your thinking of it too.
[Galaxy S III General] rovex:
What 'more' is there to expect?

Clearly a non-pentile HD screen is not yet viable.

The Quad -Exynos is much faster than anything else right now and has some A15 features. Just like the dual Exynos its more than enough for at least a year or 2 to keep up with software demands.

The design, while not especially attractive is actually very ergonomic, i think a lot of you will be surprised when you actually get to handle one. It makes the HOX seem very big and uncomfortable.

The camera is better than the HOX and beats the iP4s most of the time, especially for video. Its the only thing i think they could have done better, but the proof is in the images it produces and we havent seen many yet, and the software will improve in time making them better.

It has the features we all said we wanted, the SD card, the removable battery and the ease of development.

Its actually quite a step up from the S2, but people dont seem to be able to see it because they had unrealistic expectations. Samsung knew that in order to win customers it needed features. Powerful hardware is nothing without software.
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
More comments like this, it sounds like you've handled one? This is beneficial
[Galaxy S III General] Mopral:
Yes, some peoples (mainly tech fans...) expect more from SIII on the hardware side

Why? Because these peoples know what is the next step of hardware evolution!

But they forgot that there is a difference between two type of hardware:

-the one that has been fully tested and is ready for mass production

-the one that still need research and test before it can really hit the market
[Galaxy S III General] rovex:
I have handled one. Its better than people think and im willing to bet Samsung are somewhat confused why some people are disappointed, because its a killer device. Its quite impressive and imposing in real life, if you can ignore the 'cheap, but not cheap' battery cover.

Ignore the technology sites like Engadget, The Verge and Gizmondo, they are all Apple fanbois and only picked on what they considered weaknesses.

If you liked the S2 think of it this way. Its an S2 that can no longer be confused with an iPhone, has more than double the computing power, a larger screen with better colour balance and double the pixels, a camera that works in low light and has more features and a longer lasting battery.

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I agree, but what use is a quad A15 right now (or even a dual, or even a quad A9?!) How exactly is the user experience made better by that amount of power when we have software that cant make much use of it? I dare say Jellybean will make better use, but most of that will be improved multi-threading and better use of memory bandwidth, something the Quad Exynos already has (along with the S4). The REAL let down lately has been the Tegra 3, a powerful CPU with poor memory bandwidth, poor support from nVidia (which wont improve as history has told us with the T2) and an overall poor user experience.
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
nice, thanked
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
i like what you said there, we need more people who have experienced it to say something here. I am becoming excited abot getting one. thnks alot man. youve been thank buttoned:p
[Galaxy S III General] ky0nkyon:
I'm worried about iPhone 5 as rumor has it it's going to become more like Android. Bigger screen (when jobs said 3.5 is the God given size for humans), probably better hardware, perhaps that flex screen Samsung made, a better version of retina display, bigger battery, etc. the sheep will follow...
[Galaxy S III General] MrPhilo:
I disagree that your saying that we advertised Samsung Galaxy SII to be popular. I can guarantee that XDA or other community don't have over 20 Million users combined together, even over 2 million that be surprising.

Nothing wrong with a Quad-Core, especially when its built on a 32nm. It's marketing, 'More cores the better etc'. Consumers don't know about architecture like Cortex A-15 and Krait as we do. They just buy it due to popularity (e.g. iPhone).

And the design is personal preference at the end, because I actually like it. People at GSMarena don't mind it either.

I doubt iPhone 5 will have anything revolution. I just think it'd have improved battery life and better screen maybe. There already testing 32nm A5 chip in newer iPad 2.
[Galaxy S III General] rovex:
Sheep will follow anyway, i dont care what the iPhone has because 1) it will be Apple, and 2) it will run iOS. For me thats 2 critical fails.
[Galaxy S III General] ph00ny:
Whole not much difference from s2 comment is hilariously wrong

S1 to S2

5MP camera to 8MP camera

Single core to dual core

Same resolution display but upgraded to RGB

512mb to 1GB of RAM

S2 to S3

8MP but upgraded camera sensor and slightly better aperture

Dual to Quad Core

Upgraded to 720P resolution

GLONASS/Bluetooth4.0/WIFI bonding capability
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
You make some really good points, i used up all my thanks for today, but ill get back to you for sure ;)
[Galaxy S III General] leftheodo:
Well said my friend. Everyone ( even us, the so called "geeks" ) would rather have a smartphone that provides a smooth experience,optimized software, a lot of features and a great ecosystem than a smartphone equipped with an i7 @ 4ghz, 8 gb ram and a GPU clocked @2 Ghz but a buggy,not optimized and laggy software and UX. And it's not like the GS3 has an outdated hardware. It's the most powerful smartphone to date!
[Galaxy S III General] thebobp:
If you read carefully, these aren't the same thing. He's talking about branding, product differentiation, and the resulting ecosystem monopoly, being the rationale behind Samsung's software sales pitch. You're talking about optimization and lagginess.
[Galaxy S III General] SiNJiN76:
Samsung doesn't want to be like Apple. They just want to hold Apple's Eye wide Open and spit in it! That's all. :D And I think it's working.
[Galaxy S III General] NIK516:
This is the exact the way I feel, Samsung is finally getting the point people don't care about specs they just want ease of use. This is why Samsung is bringing out the face tagging feature, smart stay.... and so on.

The galaxy s 3 is a great phone and if they keep it updated and supported will leave a good taste in new users mouths.
[Galaxy S III General] :
It's all about identity and uniqueness..

Absolutely, I think the faster other Android manufacturers understand this, better for them and Android system as a whole.

If you check the basic specs comparison between SGS3 and HOX - there is hardly any difference from a common man's perspective. They are both quad core (they don't care about Exynos or Tegra), same HD display (PenTile/bathroom tile is irrelevant), both 8MP camera, both use same version Android. Where is the difference?

These features is what separates SGS3 from HOX or any other Android. I can guarantee that even if some vendor releases a quad core A15 SoC with 2GB RAM, but without some eye-catching features like SGS3, they won't sell well. Forget about small details, what's biggest USP for HOX over SGS3? (IMO) only the design looks better. That's it. There is nothing else in HOX that will attract the customer over SGS3.

Now consider SGS3, I can imagine some really cool commercial that they can make with

photo social tag

feature. iPhone had Siri. They ensured that iPhone don't have that

exclusivity

in voice commands anymore.

Yes, I very well know that it's a re-skinned Vlingo and I know Android had voice commands since a long time. I know it's not very useful just like Siri. But what it did is massively reduce one of the core advantages of iPhone when it comes to marketing.

People will now compare -

+ whether other phones can transfer large video files like in S Beam

+ Whether your phone can do pop-up video (not considering apps in Google Play)

+ when you open a video gallery, it's actually playing the videos instead of being static images. Really simple, but an eye-catching feature.

+ Endless gesture commands

There are tons of more features. Other vendors needs to show something

different or unique

, else SGS3 will again be the

best selling

Android device in 2012.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
samsungs strategy for s3 is the perfect combination of marketing and software its not hardware this time. ultimately they know the pulse of the people and current market. if they launched s3 without all those additional software features it would have simply fired back at them. And moreover they also have changed the design and now its completely free of lawsuits.

One more unique thing about samsung is the consistency of their user interface, people here in xda will always complain about it being same for GB/ics. But about the common people who are updating their phone from lower end models??? they will feel like home when they see the similar interface. Out of 20 million sgs2 sold, how many people had custom roms in it? 1 lakh or 2 lakhs?

like @rd_nest said if we watch out on public opinions in blogs/sites there are many who dosent know about pentile/exynos/wolfson/ etc , but still they intend to buy the phone.

Regardless of the software/hardware spec samsung will always go one step higher than their competitors to make themselves unique. And we can expect the same in the future.
[Galaxy S III General] Erahgon:
The is a really interesting thread in terms of perspectives:

On one hand we have the regular consumers, who are looking for a great out-of-the-box experience, and on the other hand we've got power users (the kind who like to tinker with their phone). I firmly belong in the second camp and my immediate friends and family will firmly attest to that ;) !

I looked over the OP and saw very interesting points which made me think about Samsung's shift in focus. It didn't really occur to me as I was very narrow sighted and looking at the specs (in my mind, I had already flashed CM9 over the stock firmware). What your post made me realize is that Samsung had altered their course, heading more strongly in a "Samsung Experience" rather than just an "Android Experience", to put it in a different way, but as @rd-nest mentioned. I do hope I am coming across as intended!

However, I do really believe that Samsung has tried to appeal to Power Users as well. For me, the most apparent evidence to this case is the re-introduction of the Wolfson DAC (now a lower power footprint - 1811) into this flagship device. The other advancements I see as imperative involve the 32nm process for its SoC, its GPU, Camera with "Zero Shutter Lag" additional connectivity features (apt-X, Wi-Fi direct, Bluetooth 4.0, etc), as well as the RGB notification LED and the GPS chip with GLONASS (I wrote this in the spur of the moment so forgive me if I forgot something here). It shows that Samsung have kept a eye out in the developer community.

In terms of RAM being only 1GB : I saw a heated argument over it. The point about how "sufficient" is not what we have to look at for a "next-gen" device made me understand why I was a bit let-down by the device to begin with - the fact that it seemed to just push itself past the competition, and that was all (I have definitely warmed up to it now though).I agreed with the fact that we should strive for more, but I believe here that Samsung weighed in the costs vs projected growth, and the RAM came up short. They wanted to give us the best, without making this an ultra-premium device.

On the flipside: we now have storage of upto 64GB internal and support for exFAT along with 64GB external. This is forward thinking. With the onset of 1080p recordings and the ability to play a variety of content, as well as the ability to connect to a variety of devices (such as HDTVs), this is most definitively a very next-gen spec.

What I'm trying to say is: Samsung did a great job in making a "Samsung Experience" for the everyday consumers, but I really don't think they shortchanged us power users as a result. They have spurned innovations in the software field as well as hardware to weather through the onslaught of time and the progress it brings.

Even teamhacksung have opened up a website dedicated to software innovations after seeing what Samsung had to offer. Check: http://opendesign.bbqdroid.org/

Cheers!
[Galaxy S III General] Sir-Awesome:
Buy it through Handtec.co.uk

It will cost around 440 pounds including shipping.
[Galaxy S III General] harise100:
The title annoys me somewhat, but in a sense it's correct.

I write application software in a big oem company for the people at the production line. And it drives me crazy time and again, when I deliver my program, the custormers will clap and cheer about the nice icon set I had chosen and the blicking button at the botton, which took me 5 min of work. Nobody of these non-it-folks recognizes the blood, sweat and tears I put into the algorithms to realize the functions they need to to their work. :mad:

From my daily experience, I can say, it's the cheap effects and gimmicks that sell, everything else is taken for granted by the vast majority of people.

As much as I hate Apple, I can only lift my hat and bow my head, they are the undisputed champions in this regard.
[Galaxy S III General] NIK516:
Its hard to be disappointed with Samsung after you notice the benefits of these new features. Honestly I always thought sir I was a joke but you know I would love to just say snooze when my alarm is ringing.

And the smart stay feature is great , I read lengthy reviews and hate it when my phone dims but I like the comport of the 30 second dim time.

Is Samsung appealing to iPhone users ? Maybe they are just appealing to all users.

Thanks Samsung I get it..
[Galaxy S III General] :
Just to show how these software feature can be a huge deal, just look at the SGS3 apps making rounds in the internet/blogsphere. So many blogs have already done a review of S Voice running on

non-SGS3

devices!

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/05/20/full-hands-on-with-samsungs-s-voice-for-the-galaxy-s-iii/

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/2...iii-ready-for-download-we-take-it-for-a-spin/

That's the impact of a software when the device is not being

officially

sold. I had a check around the XDA. Looking at HOX threads, look what I found:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1663124

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1664220

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1662322

This is just from 1st page of HOX Apps and Themes section. There are similar threads in SGS2 section too. HOX fans (not all, but a sizeable number) who don't like Samsung/TW software are eagerly waiting to port all the features now. If it appeals to geeks and fanboys like us, just imagine the impact on normal customers. What Samsung has to do is to ensure that customers get the message properly. Use the commercials clearly showing what they can do with the phone -- and not the specs.
[Galaxy S III General] s.alkari:
Actually, SGS3 is pentile, HOX is IPS LCD2.

and BTW S Beam is a nice feature on SGS3, but in reality it uses the tech to open a wifi connection and send files through that. Thats how they get those speeds.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
only few xda ians and some others know it uses wifi/nfc, but common user dont even bother about the technology under , all they need is to transfer the file.

pentile/lcd2,3,4/ as long as it is in same resolution (again) common people will never bother.