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[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
Dude... I have access to 4G in my office. I can use it all day, every day. Why would I want to unlock and lose that so why should I stop talking about it.

For some of us, 4G is important.

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Whatever, dude.. its a good thing I dont give a crap what you think then, huh.

Im calling it like it is and you fan boys just cant admit it. I havent said anything that isnt true.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Truth is sprint has dropped all support for wimax 4G they have no need to unlock the bootloader for the photon. Complaining about it isn't going to change anything. All I'm saying is pick another topic to complain about.

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[Motorola Photon 4G] frogman74:
MadFlava are you from or do you live in California?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Eguy:
I fit in that d category. I have 4G coverage where I live but it is so crappy with the 2500mhz band that having 4G on while moving for 5 minutes would kill the battery. Wimax is only good stationary and with a wide open clear signal. Good concept, bad execution.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
But Wimax isnt going away.. so then they SHOULD unlock it....

Youre right.. theyre not going to unlock it and I probably wont have the phone another couple of weeks so might as well put it to rest at this point. Trying to decide between TMobile or Credo now.

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I am from North Carolina and have lived here most of my 46 years.
[Motorola Photon 4G] thefsfempire:
I was contemplating unlocking my bootloader or staying legit and waiting it out. This forced my hand. Hopefully a leak will come out with some needed drivers in the mean time.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ericdabbs:
My goodness. Were you trying to write a novel? I completely disagree with you about a Wimax/LTE/CDMA phone. It will be so confusing with the handoffs between Wimax, LTE, and CDMA. Not to mention that the Wimax chips are not battery efficient and would put more stress on the phone.

LTE is the future so there is no reason to have Wimax on the phones when the transition is only temporary. While you laugh at the $10 bucks that Sprint will save by not having Wimax on the phone since they won't have to pay Clearwire, it would be more devastating when Sprint has to pay Clearwire for LTE usage and Wimax usage. Sprint needs to be saving as much money as it can and I don't want to see the premium data fee increased from $10 to $15/month just to have Wimax for a year.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Eguy:
Same here. The current ICS roms are stable enough now so I decided to get it over with and install AOKP which I have wanted for a while. It's great but the Moto ICS drivers are needed, especially for the camera and bluetooth!
[Motorola Photon 4G] na7q:
Good luck with crapple. You'll be even more locked down than any locked moto device. Google is doing everything right. It's 100% the manufacturers fault things don't get updated efficiently.

Crapple is pure trash because they have no variety for iOS devices. That's the biggest problem. It's all the same. Wow! How awesome. Not! Not to mention a billion more problems. I hope that hipster company dies!
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
Yea.. I had one of the first gen iPhones and I generally liked it but its a constant cat and mouse game with Apple if you want to have control of your own device. I think my wife will like hers when she gets it even tho she is an Android girl.. I think what she's going to hate tho is the tiny screen.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
I'm waiting for official ICS.

I continue to be very puzzled by people who say the beta ROMs are great - except for the camera and BT. How can they be great if 2 important features don't work correctly?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Toney Starks:
bravoooo
[Motorola Photon 4G] bitbang3r:
@Ericdabbs:

Obviously *this year's* LTE radios are more efficient than last year's wimax radios. Compare a pair of new LTE and Wimax chips from the same mfr & series, and they're almost indistinguishable in use.

LTE might be the future, but the barebones skeletal subset of it being deployed by Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T isn't it. Ever wonder why no European LTE phone can work with American LTE? It's because American LTE is basically "wimax 1.2a" -- a few evolutionary improvements & tweaks, but NOWHERE close to what you'd have to deploy to legally call it "LTE" in any other country.

For a good metaphor, look at "h.264". In theory, you could encode a video that referenced vector-transformed fragments of arbitrary frames. In reality, h.264 AVCHD can barely deal with encoding scenarios some aggressive non-realtime MPEG-2 encoders can handle without breaking a sweat (long GOPs, in particular).

American "lte" is like what $10 Chinese keyfob media players and $7.99 USB capture cards call "MP4". European LTE is like offline Hollywood-grade H.264 encoding software that costs $25,000/year to license (or x264 for free), played back with a recent Blu-Ray player capable of 1080p60 and 3D.

Put more succinctly, "LTE" as deployed by Sprint/AT&T/Verizon is as ghetto & barebones as you can possibly get and still legally call it "LTE". It was grafted onto the original standard (over protest) as an optional subpart by American carriers who want to sell sizzle instead of steak. AFAIK, compliant LTE devices aren't even required to support American LTE as a legacy fallback mode. Put another way, American "LTE" is only "LTE" because American carriers unilaterally say it is. Nobody else regards it as real LTE.

Is it an improvement over wimax? Basically, yes. But it's not a paradigm-shifting, earth-shaking leap ahead. It's a minor refinement to Wimax, and that's all.

As far as wimax-LTE mode-shifting goes, there's no need to shift modes. At the "modulated radio carrier conveying a raw bitstream" level, they're as identical as 1080i and 720p. The differences are *downstream* from the air interface. A "dual-mode" LTE/Wimax chip is basically the same SOC as a single-mode chip, with double the flash so it can deal with both protocols. You can have LTE & Wimax literally coexisting in the same spectrum, transmitted by the same radio at the same time, as long both use the same modulation scheme.

There's no reason why a phone would thrash between LTE & wimax, because both signals would come from the same radio at the same tower... so LTE would be somewhere between "no worse" and "a tiny bit better". They'd just program logic to refrain from wimax if viable LTE were seen within the past 3-5 minutes.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
My camera and Bluetooth work just fine... running cm9 0.6.0.... probably the best ics experience out of all other phones I have with ported ics. Never once had a random reboot. Don't use any kind of task killer and never had a terrible battery issue. Other than the video recording being kinda laggy and rigged drivers I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to flash any of the available ics builds on their photon. 98% of the people having real issues with the roms are mostly due to user error

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[Motorola Photon 4G] halfdriven:
ericdabbs, interesting read but not very factual. Big differences between EVDO, WiMax and LTE, specturm, band and equiptment wise. and a EVDO, WiMax, LTE device? How many antennas do you think can be crammed into a device?
[Motorola Photon 4G] ericdabbs:
I never advocated a EVDO/Wimax/LTE device...not sure if you meant to refer to bitbang3r. Sprint from this point forward should only make EVDO/LTE devices and Sprint officially agrees with that. Why complicate the phone with 3 different types of technology when EVDO and LTE will be the most dominant technologies in the future?

You bring up a good point that bitbang3r hasn't thought of which is fitting all the antennas into the phone and having all the correct band classes supported. Not to mention that LTE is being deployed by Sprint and Wimax is deployed by Clearwire so handoffs are not going to be as easy as you think it will be due to the incompatible technologies. Also to add insult to injury, Sprint LTE is going to be FDD based while Clearwire Wimax is TDD based. In my experience with the Photon 4G, the handoff between EVDO and Wimax is not seamless at all. I know this because there is a route I take that when I lose Wimax connectivity over a hill, the 3G does not kick in automatically.

Think about this, Sprint and Clearwire are currently taking about a 1.5 years just to get Sprint FDD LTE and Clearwire TDD LTE to work together and handoff each other seamlessly and all of a sudden we think that Sprint FDD LTE and Clearwire TDD Wimax will handoff seamlessly like a breeze as if a bunch of other wireless companies have done this already. Puhleeze it ain't gonna happen. Put that pipe dream to rest.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Clearwire just filed for bankruptcy
[Motorola Photon 4G] ericdabbs:
No they didn't. Stop making false rumors. You should be warned for this. Post a link if you have proof...otherwise it didn't happen.
[Motorola Photon 4G] wardfan220:
As far as I know they haven't filed yet, although they are very close as is sprint.

Although it is a rumor at this point I don't see how it's that big of a deal. People should know that without a link proving a statement on the interwebs that it isn't true. Screenshots or it didn't happen, everyone knows that, so if they believe something blindly like this rumor then they need to see a doctor about a brain-ectomy.
[Motorola Photon 4G] xpainkillerx:
You do know Google just bought Motorola right? Big mergers like that cause delays! Everyone in this thread seems very pissed off about a simple push back! Updates will come! Straight facts! Apple released the iPhone in 2007, it has been the building block of ALL smartphones since. Android launched the EVO which put Android on the map. Since 2009 Android has spread quicker and is more popular then the iPhone in a 2:3 ratio. The iPhone had more time then Android but Android has dominated the market at 65% of the worlds smartphone users are using an Android powered device. So when you look at the facts Android is more popular among smartphone users. I personally see the 2:3 ratio even at a dealer level! For every iPhone I sell I sell 2 more Androids. And when you want to talk about reliability, I see more iPhone users having their software crashed, signal strength poor, and devices failing in one way or another; then I do to Android devices. And only apple can work on their devices! How many apple stores are there compared to sprint, Verizon, and att stores? Take what I have to say or don't, I only work in the cell phone industry and am relaying the straight facts back to you with an unbiased opinion!
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
I completely agree. I worked for radio shack for 2 years at 6 different locations and the ratio was much wider. I may have sold one iPhone a month with about 5+ Android phones a day. Android phones are also a lot easier to maintain and repair(software) than the iPhone. Before Android came out I was huge into iPhone. Jailbreaking and repairing(screens mostly). When it came to software and a iTunes restore wouldn't cut it the only option you had was to send it in for repair and that took forever and the apple care service plan was lame. It used to be $20 a month just for apple care and att didn't have insurance for the iPhone.

One thing I loved about android was if you didn't like your android device or had an issue (like locked bootloaders or hard to code components) you had several other devices to chose from. With iPhone your only options were to either upgrade to S or downgrade from S. If you held it in your left hand expect dropped calls. But that was never really the issue we had with most iPhone returns.. it was their software. Even with their "multitasking" feature the phone still became buggy after long periods of use and always had people coming in complaining about their phone locking up, crashing, spazzing out, ect.

I'm an android fan because It was my job to learn each and every device and after 2 years of dealing with both android and iPhone, I wouldn't recommend iPhone for anyone unless they were teen girls or children.

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[Motorola Photon 4G] wardfan220:
As much as most of us here dislike Apple, this thread is not about them. Let's try to stay on topic please.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
We kinda are lol. Ics was pushed back for obvious reasons expressed in mr. Pains post. and we all would hate to see someone go to apple because an update was delayed or a bootloader is still locked.

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[Motorola Photon 4G] Android 17:
Going to Apple because of the locked bootloader is like convincing yourself that throwing yourself into a pool of poop is OK simply because you've already stepped on some with your shoes.
[Motorola Photon 4G] wardfan220:
Ok, you might be right.

Now that's funny.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
I want to laugh really hard at this but I don't seem to understand the connection lol. Sorry a little under the influence atm lol

^that's off topic :P

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[Motorola Photon 4G] wardfan220:
Because the iPhone is locked down tighter than Fort Knox, so if your android is bootlocked and you go to an iPhone because of it, you're just making your bootlock issue 100 times worse. Much like the analogy of rolling in poo just because you have a little on your shoe.

Hope that helps.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Lol thanks. I'll feel stupid about this tomorrow

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[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Apple has not been the building block of anything, android had video calling and front facing camera before iphone
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
Don't forget notifications. It was kind of a big deal when iOS 5 got the feature. Also widescreen -- iPhone 5 is rumored to have it, but it isn't confirmed. And breaking the 512MB RAM barrier. And a bunch of other hardware issues, I'm sure. Spec-wise, even the iPhone 4S is not impressive in the least. It just gets a break because Apple makes the software specifically for that hardware platform, and the software is completely unimpressive. There are a few Android launchers that take the same shortcuts. Somebody could make a ROM that takes the iPhone approach, I suppose. It would not be a fun phone to use, but it would be faster.

But hey, we don't need to knock the iPhone. The specs and screen size/aspect ratio speak for themselves. Plus, iPhone 4S comes in 64GB. Is there an Android phone that can put 64GB on the device (internal usable space + microSD)? I actually don't know. Not that's available on my carrier, I'm sure. iPhone is just an iPod Touch with a phone app. It's good for music, if you don't mind being tied to that abomination, iTunes. And for pictures. I hear it has a great camera. Maybe just a good one.

Although business practices and fanboys (& fangirls) across the Internet clearly say otherwise, I don't think the iPhone is a competitor to Android. It can't keep up and its best features are pale copies. It's like the Wii wasn't a competitor to the Xbox and PlayStation (until it beat them badly and they brought out Kinect and Move). It scratches a different itch. An iPhone is a media device that has a phone in it. An Android phone is a pocket computer that has a phone in it. An iPhone can do some things an Android can do, but not as well. Android can do media but that isn't its primary purpose (the wide screen does make it more ideal for video content, though).

Sorry, it's a little off topic, I just feel the need to separate the two when the opportunity presents itself. I think Android users who go to iPhone will be at least a little disappointed. And iPhone users who go to Android might be a little overwhelmed (I recommend they start with HTC, for Sense.)
[Motorola Photon 4G] FC809:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDE56gDYb1o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Looks like they aren't going to skin ics to much. Thank God.
[Motorola Photon 4G] bitbang3r:
Actually, as evil as Apple might be... as far as I know, there's nothing to stop you from taking a jailbroken iPhone and reflashing it to Ubuntu (besides lack of driver support), and their main weapon against modification is making IOS itself nearly impossible to extract, and heavily encrypted prior to being flashed to an iPhone. So, you can totally throw the baby out with the bathwater and reduce an iPhone to a generic ARM device that runs Ubuntu badly, but you can't build a working altered iPhone.

This is actually the opposite of Motorola's strategy, which is to lock down the hardware itself so that you never even get the CHANCE to blow everything away. An iPhone is shackled, but Motorola Android phones are completely TIVO-ized, just like a satellite box.

We'd be lucky if we were in the position of iPhone owners, because we DO have access to our phone's source through back-channel means, and Motorola itself is required to release the source. iPhone owners rarely blow away everything because then they end up with an expensive phone that can't do much besides display a penguin on the screen. Motorola owners don't blow away everything because we physically can't.

Apple doesn't really *care* if you erase everything on your iPhone and replace it with somthing else. Motorola *does*. It's like the difference between China and former East Germany. If you're unhappy in China, want to leave, and can find some other country that will take you, China's attitude is "don't let the door hit you on the way out". In contrast, East Germany would shoot you in the back as you tried to crawl under the barbed wire across the border.

As terrible as it is to say, "We are Berliners", and Motorola's locked bootloader is the grim, cheerless Stasi agent who interrogates our phones every time they boot up.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Android 17:
Apple doesn't care? Is that why they sued jailbreakers years back and tried to make jailbreaking iphones illegal? It took a ruling from a court that jailbraking and modding was indeed legal to get them to stop.

Is that why they almost immediately neuter any sort of workarounds or apps that allow jailbreaking in their market? At least the android market has fully legit apps like superuser and rom manager still in the market.

Not that Motorola is doing much better, but to say that Apple doesn't care is foolish in itself.
[Motorola Photon 4G] kingsway8605:
Can't believe I almost bought this phone. The epic 4g was just so big that I didn't want it. But then I thought about how Motorola was releasing phone after phone (something like 5 on Verizon alone last year), and I knew that updates on a Motorola phone was a roll of the dice. That with a locked bootloader to make it extremely difficult to flash my own ICS on it, I am so glad I went with the ET4G instead.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Congrats?..

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[Motorola Photon 4G] Shad0wguy:
You clearly haven't seen how many galaxy s2 variants Samsung had released then.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Glad you're happy with your choice. That's all that really matters today since all these phones are so similar. They all have pros and cons. The ET4g huge low-res over-saturated unreadable-outdoors screen was the show stopper for me.

Glad you're happy with your stock ICS on ET4G. I'm sure I'll be happy with stock ICS on the Photon later this year. We both win - we're happy.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
I had an E4GT. The radio in that phone is terrible. Thats the one thing the Photon has over that phone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
That phone still sucks
[Motorola Photon 4G] foxsdaddy67:
enjoy that scamsung POS. they tried to get me to take one during my upgrade. I told them they can take their samsung and shove it after the whole Moment debacle. I'd take a locked down Moto over a unlocked samsung any day
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
So are we lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] donsh00tmesanta:
Lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] donsh00tmesanta:
Hows the weather up there
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jaemostoriginal:
I was def gonna wait it out but once i read this i started flashing the ICS rom lol luckily i didn't get that update that locks the boot loader
[Motorola Photon 4G] alexpkeaton:
I also had a Samsung Moment... Photon is crazy better. Samsung has too many devices to support and it makes them slow to update. Hopefully the Moto-Google sale will help us out.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
What Moment debacle? I had an Acclaim which I understand is similar. Didn't the Moment start with Eclair, then get Froyo, then Gingerbread? Or is that another Sprint phone?

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[Motorola Photon 4G] rbeavers:
I never saw GB. I used it as a android touch till I bricked it, not bad though.
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
the epic 4g and the evo started on 2.1 then got an upgrade to 2.2 and then finally 2.3
[Motorola Photon 4G] foxsdaddy67:
the data kept locking up so you were constantly having to reboot, dropped calls all the time. their radios suck
[Motorola Photon 4G] scoobdude:
I left sprint and am now on a GSM carrier. Photon is my backup phone. Let me see your epic do that?
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
The Acclaim didn't have those problems but it had enough of its own. I think it was newer though. I had to use the Moment updater from Sprint to flash CM recovery to it. That was awkward. The worst thing about Acclaim's radio was weak reception compared with that of Photon/Electrify.

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[Motorola Photon 4G] Omar04:
At least Samsung doesn't lock bootloader. :p

BTW I have both Photon and E4GT.
[Motorola Photon 4G] my2cents:
My moment came with cupcake, then an official update to eclair. SDX did some good work to get it to Froyo and then to gingerbread. However, I don't miss that phone. The photon is 10 times the phone.

Back on topic, I hope that the photon gets ICS eventually, but I have a feeling we are going to get left behind. :(
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
Photon has a better chance than Electrify, at least. ;-)

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[Motorola Photon 4G] Equalizir:
If they do push an update in the fourth quarter when will the source code be leaked? Assuming it gets leaked at all...
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
here is a funny video to hold you over til ics :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4awVqRr1eCo