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[Motorola Photon 4G] Toney Starks:
Can't say I'm shocked.

Lame!
[Motorola Photon 4G] alexthen:
To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..

but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
[Motorola Photon 4G] KTT16:
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
[Motorola Photon 4G] dre89:
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.

Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all

sent from deep space on a random Photon
[Motorola Photon 4G] Aquos1:
I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.

This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".

I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
[Motorola Photon 4G] findthedr:
the problem is the carrier.

That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dtaylorr:
me too

I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.

However I would never want an "I" product.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
[Motorola Photon 4G] findthedr:
I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.

Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Who have speculated that? I have never seen any speculation like that.

Link, please? TIA
[Motorola Photon 4G] moparfreak426:
actually I saw that somewhere.. Judy interest not like sending will actually do that. look how successful their android handsets have been
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Huh? Who is Judy?

Is that anything like "all your base are belong to us"? :)
[Motorola Photon 4G] moparfreak426:
supposed to bee "just" not Judy. if swipe was themable id use it. sono use slide it. it always makes just Judy. and stuff like that
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Sorry - I'm still totally confused:

"Just interest not like sending will actually do that." - still makes no sense at all to me.

"sono"???

My friend - you need to take a bit more time if you want people to understand your posts.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jungle Jack:
Hello,

Here are a few links. I think I first read about on Boy Genius Report, but have read about the possibility elsewhere as well.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/17/google-may-use-motorola-acquisition-to-emulate-apples-iphone-strategy/

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...-Mobility-Buyout-10-Possible-Outcomes-835652/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/editorial-engadget-on-googles-motorola-mobility-acquisition/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ola_deal_could_be_boost_in_rivalry_with_Apple

All I know is that it certainly makes sense with Apple being so successful and admired by the masses. It sadly makes me think of Blose. I mean Bose in that a vast segment of the population are brainwashed that it is the best when Bose is considered a joke among most serious HiFi and Home Theater enthusiasts.

Cheers,

JJ
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Thanks for the links.

Yes, Bose (and also Monster) are jokes among people with engineering experience! :) Double-blind tests show that Monster cable is equivalent to dry -cleaner hangers! :) LOL.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jungle Jack:
My pleasure amigo. Could not agree more about Monster Cable. I am a Moderator on an AV Forum and almost always advocate Monoprice and Bluejeanscable. I am using Audioquest HDMI Cables as I got them for 80% off when Sound Advice was going Out of Business. Sound Advice was part of the Tweeter/Hifi Buys Chain, but seemed to be almost exclusively in Florida. I figured at these prices, I could always flip them for more than I paid for them.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Android 17:
Seeing people buy Monster cables when they can buy cheap HDMI cables that work just as well on Amazon or Monoprice makes me want to face palm so bad.
[Motorola Photon 4G] cornelious2:
^this monoprice forever here

Sent from my mopho
[Motorola Photon 4G] giantsali:
like many, I will not be waiting for this update. Like few on here, I have no clue how to upgrade it to ICS :)

Likelihood is I brick my phone while learning how to do so

In the chance I dont brick it, I'll be back here for some more modifications to the phone.

I've been able to unlock the bootloader, flash an sbf file and all through RSD lite. Never have I flashed something like this before. Lets hope all goes well.

In case I do brick, I'll blame motorola and ship them the phone with a nasty letter (even though it would be my fault :D)
[Motorola Photon 4G] khatta:
ICS is likely a no go. Now that Photon is not listed on Sprint website anymore, why would Sprint upgrade it when they already quit selling it 6 months ago ? -- based on the ICS release schedule.

The timing of MOTO ICS release push from Q3 to Q4 nicely fits with the phone disappearing from Sprint's website. Its likely a dummy olive branch extended by Moto, which will likely never materialize.

... and dont forget Moto's worst record in upgrading any of their devices to ICS.

In a few months we will likely be ready to put the phone to rest and move on to greener pastures :-)
[Motorola Photon 4G] R2DeeTard:
Oh well, kinda sucks but whatever. I'm dissappointed in the lack of support for this phone, not from the dev community, but from the manufacturer and carrier. Its sad that this awesome device got shoved on the back burner. With JB coming out, ICS is old news. If the rumors are true and Google will be partnering with multiple carriers for the next Nexus, then i will be switching to that.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MikeyLee:
I doubt they will ever actually update it to ICS. There's no reason for them to at this point with the Next Gen Photon LTE on the horizon.
[Motorola Photon 4G] CarbolDroid:
I dont effing get it. Joker had a working ICS rom cranked out in a month* (and for the ATRIX too) limited ONLY by his lack of specific resources for the phone- namely camera and hardware acceleration.

What hamster is does moto have in charge of their updates?

* IN HIS FREE TIME.
[Motorola Photon 4G] deciplesteve:
Do you guys buy cars and expect the manufacturer to upgrade various parts on a yearly basis?

Do you buy a house and expect the seller to build a guest house for it as well?

No, you don't (unless you're an idiot). You bought the phone as it was. You didn't buy (or at least shouldn't have bought) the phone as "Upgradeable to X.X". I know for a fact the tag in the store doesn't say that as I sell cell phone for a major retailer. Motorola even attempting to update the phone while making new ones should only be looked at as a courtesy, not a necessity. The phone doesn't have NFC, so what the hell do you absolutely need 4.x for?

Don't get me wrong, I hope we get it, but honestly, I really couldn't care less. My phone, stock rooted, does everything I need it to and wouldn't be able to do the things I would want 4.x for...
[Motorola Photon 4G] CarbolDroid:
If the manufacturer of my vehicle told me it would receive upgrades when I bought the car for 18 months after purchase, then yes, I would expect them too. Many actually do offer similar incentives for purchase- IE free oil changes, tire rotation and other general maintenance.

Likewise, if a Moto says "We're going to support our phones with advanced software for 18 months" then I expect them to do it. Whatsmore, saying this to make the sale then backing out on the promise?... I'm rightfully pissed. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/what-happened-to-the-android-update-alliance/

Same with unlocking the bootloader.

Needless to say, Motorola is gonna have to give me one hell of a reach-around if they plan on getting me back as a customer.
[Motorola Photon 4G] deciplesteve:
Ah, that's different though. There have been maintenance releases.

The bootloader would be akin to the manufacturer offering a tuner with the purchase of your car, and they could, but why the hell would they want you tooling around with your car's cpu?
[Motorola Photon 4G] srkelley:
Why should our use of the phone matter to the manufacturer? Smart Phones are more like Laptops/desktop pc's. When I by any pc running Windows, I expect security patches, service packs and major updates. Same thing happens with desktop linux os's and even Apple supports their hardware well.

Now the manufacturers could charge for the updates, that has always been an option. They usually hand them out for free. Whether free or paid, we expect them to support the hardware sold to us.

I'll be getting a PadFone or a Nexus when I buy my next phone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] retailguy:
You have way too much time on your hands if you've got time to be pissed about this. It is a $200 phone, you don't like it? Buy another one, sell this and move on. Life is too short to be "pissed" about a phone.

These people who bought with 2.3.4 and then OTA'd to 2.3.5 have a legitimate gripe, but the solution is the same.

Your one phone purchase won't make a difference. Motorola will tell you to enjoy your Nexus and wish you good luck. You won't get their attention until there are another 25k of you, if then....
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kevets:
Funny, my phone works fine, as it has ever since I brought it home.
[Motorola Photon 4G] CarbolDroid:
What dream world are you living in that a phone only costs $200? Not counting the $1723 over two years? Forgiving me for expecting companies to fulfill their promises and provide products of value. If you're satisfied with the status quo, fine, thats your business. I'm simply saying that I'm not. I am willing to vote with my dollars and reward companies who value their customers enough to not snub them on simple updates.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/comscore-may-2012-smartphone/

Well, Looks like it is making a difference.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
@CarbolDroid, Wrong! $637.00 OTD + $94.00 ($69.99+$10.00 Data +$8.00 TEP + Tax) monthly for however long! So............$2893? Either way, your correct, not $200.00! (I did get $300.00 for my EVO, so subtract that!)
[Motorola Photon 4G] frogman74:
So by your math I have to add the cost of cable to my television?

What about my PS3 or Xbox?

I paid $100 for my phone, I pay my Sprint bill for service. The phone can be replaced and I still pay for service not the Phone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
No, you don't have to, but it would be highly suggested that you do if you want to watch TV? Same with PS# and Xbox, HDMI Cables are $29.99! lol JK

You missed the point I think? TOTALLY, no matter how you break it down, our Photons will cost more than the $200.00 originally stated. Even my quote was over priced. I have no contract, hence the $637.00. I will likely ditch Photon sometime this year and resell it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] frogman74:
I didn't miss the point.

The phone costs you only what you paid for it. That's it.

The extra you are throwing around is for your service.

Is the phone subsidized by Sprint, yes. Did someone pay more for it, yes.

Does Sprint sell it to you cheap so they can ream you on service, yup.

What you are saying is more like this.

I drove my car 1 mile it cost me $26,990.

Car ($26,000) + 4 tires (4x210) + tags (150).

$1723 for the photon? NO. $1723 for the photon and TWO years of service, yes.

Sorry for the rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.:silly:

Warning cuss words ahead.:p

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2676/
[Motorola Photon 4G] kingsway8605:
If I bought a Ford and didn't get updates, but people who bought Chevy's, Hyundai's, Toyota's, Honda's, etc all got updates, yes, I would be pissed. Obviously though, your analogy does not make sense because cars don't get updates and phones do...
[Motorola Photon 4G] fester30:
I think one thing that is telling about this ICS update problem is the fact that Samsung has released updates for UNLOCKED Galaxy S II devices. However, carrier-specific devices are being held up by carrier-specific crap at this point. I have seen many debates on what holds up the updates longer, whether it's the phone manufacturer or the carrier's requirements. This seems to suggest that the carriers' requirements are a very big part of it, perhaps the biggest hurdle, especially as the carrier-specific Galaxy S II variants continue to be held up.
[Motorola Photon 4G] moneymakes:
Time to flash a Verizon PRL so i can break contract without getting cancellation fee
[Motorola Photon 4G] retailguy:
I can use any phone that I want on my account. Sprint will switch it anytime I choose as long as the ESN is good.

You bought a phone from motorola (through sprint), and then bought sprint network coverage - SEPARATELY. Sprint paid for a small part of your phone to bind you to their network for 2 years.

Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp?

Good luck with that. The locked bootloader is absolutely irrelevant to the majority of smartphone users.

One final point - You purchased your phone with FULL understanding that the bootloader was locked. You chose to purchase it anyway. If you believed rumors, or verbal promises from the salesman that sold it to you that they would "unlock" it, then you made a bad decision.

Sell the phone. Move on. You'll find that you're happier in the end.

I bought my photon for one reason and one reason only. The quality of the radios and the reception that I can get. I want the thing to work. I unlocked the bootloader and run AOKP. It works just fine for me. When it stops, I'll ebay or CL the thing and get something else, and not think twice about it with juvenile threats and complaining. It's a TOOL to get a job done. Nothing more.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Uh60m Pilot:
While Motorola is still not listing the photon 4g by name as a device they guarantee they are updating.... As of the 2 July 2012 revision the Photon is still listed for Q4.

Who knows what will happen. I bought a Nexus 7 to cure my current gadget fix till then.

:D
[Motorola Photon 4G] twaffle:
Your wrong there. An unlocked bootloader is *different* then an oem unlockable bootloader. Which it did ship with.

The reason why many people are miffed is because the most recent soak test *actively* asked for people who have modified their phones, and 'We understand that you have the right to do what you wish with your own phones, and we respect that'. Seriously, that was the actual text they used.

Then they push an update with an unlockable bootloader, which obviously is counter to what moto had said. Not just counter, but a quite literal slap in the face.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ericdabbs:
I am confused, does the latest soak test update from 7/5 contain an unlockable bootloader or is it locked still?

I thought the 2.3.5 update was suppose to remove the loophole to unlock your bootloader which is why a lot of people hate it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kevets:
Locked.
[Motorola Photon 4G] :
Well, right now I am running a beta version of ICS from Jokersax. But I will definitely switch over to the official build from it when it is released.

I think it was a great idea to push it back though, I would rather wait to install a stable version then to install a version from Motorola if there are bugs and glitches.
[Motorola Photon 4G] XxCE0xX:
I've read through this thread a bit and,

Cmon guys don't bash on the MoPho. U all know its a great phone. Bash on Google or someone else.

Sent from my CND'd MoPho
[Motorola Photon 4G] iStayHigh:
this is why this will be my last android,**** google

im going back to beepers lamo.....
[Motorola Photon 4G] twaffle:
My bad, the soak is a locked and not oem unlockable. The original and and all subsequent releases where oem unlockable in the same manner as the xoom. It was not a hack to do it at all. You just issued an unlock.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hirent:
Why bash Google?

Google has a hands-off policy with Motorola; they have made it clear time and again that they acquired Motorola Mobility for no reason other than patents.

Well, at least they have made it clear that there will be no preference given to MM. They have gone with HTC, Samsung & now ASUS for their Nexus devices and steered clear of MM so far. They will spread the love evenly amongst all their OEM partners....that is the message.

The blame for this mess resides solely with Motorola and possibly with Sprint. B!oody B@$t@rd$!

Don't know what they gain by doing so. Does it make them more money? Who knows.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Very dumb move
[Motorola Photon 4G] Puzzlegal:
Yes, that was really obnoxious.

On a related note, I have not loaded the "upgrade", but it asks me to do so every 4 hours or something. Is there some way to make that go away?

I am still hoping to get a stock upgrade to ICS, but I want to preserve the option of using Joker's stuff if/when I give up on that.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FC809:
I'm pretty sure you can delete a file, so you don't keep seeing that. Don't remember exactly where it's though.
[Motorola Photon 4G] 98Slowstang:
if you have titanium backup or any other app that you can see all of your applications. You can go in and freeze the one called updater 2.3.4 which will stop it from coming up.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FC809:
That's it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Puzzlegal:
What directory is that in? I tried searching with my file utility, and it took forever, and found a bunch of irrelevant updaters.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FC809:
System/app

I'm pretty sure.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Puzzlegal:
No, I looked there.

Thanks anyway.

I had actually signed up for the soak test and then got child feet and didn't do it, if that makes a difference.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FC809:
Are you rooted by any chance? If you are use no bloat free, and you will easily find it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
Not sure what it's worth, but a rep at US Cellular seems to believe that the Electrify will get ICS 'in the next 3 months'. And you know if the Electrify gets it… well, I give the Electrify a 0% chance of getting ICS before the Photon.

I only want it so my wife can get it and of course the devs can make their ROMs better.

Posted from my Paranoid Jelly Electrify using Tapatalk.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Omar04:
Reps say anything to get anyone out of their way. They know nothing most of the time.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
Oh, I agree. I've met some really dumb ones who said Samsung Galaxy S II and Electrify both support 4G. Wish I would have taken down their name, ask them for that 4G upgrade and see what they say.

Then again I also talked to a few who actually knew what they were talking about and seemed to appreciate that I did too. Because you gotta realize, the average cell customer is dumb as a rock. They either want an iPhone because they're popular or 'one with a camera'. Those of us who know the difference between iPhone and Android are one in a million and they know it. Enthusiasts are rarer still (aside from Sheeple that is).

Posted from my Paranoid Jelly Electrify using Tapatalk.
[Motorola Photon 4G] R2DeeTard:
On that same note, I once went in to the vzw store and asked a clerk what the battery size of a particular phone was. He didn't even check, looked at me and said, I don't know man, I just sell phones... I would think someone who SELLS PHONES for a living would know that answer. They are idiots for the most part.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
Smartphone knowledge isn't even a requirement for their jobs. Looks and salesmanship are the two big things for them. A good friend of mine has those plus he knows a lot about phones. Except he had nothing good to say about the Photon (he works for Sprint, too). I think he's disappointed I got one (well, Electrify) but I couldn't be happier with it.

Posted from my Paranoid Jelly Electrify using Tapatalk.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
I actually find that honesty to be refreshing. How in the world can you expect a retail sales rep to remember the battery capacity of each of the 20 (30?) phones in his store.

Granted, though, that he should have volunteered to get a box/manual out for you...

But, OTOH, is battery capacity a real differentiator today - I think not.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jeff_in_LA:
I agree. I have a Sprint Galaxy Nexus now and I have never been happier!
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
Funny, I said 3 times in 3 different threads, each one I got flamed on! I just quit posting them. Look who's laughing now!
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
rather saddening to hear so many bashing a company over 3 months.

the samsung epic shipped with 2.1 on august 31st 2010 and was promised 2.2 within 2 months, it got 2.2 march 2011, and finally got an upgrade to 2.3 the day the galaxy nexus was unveiled. other companies have put out otas that have bricked phones, some refuse because well the "phone cant handle it"

the turth of the matter is 2.2 was very similar to 2.3 while the jump to 4.0 is a VERY big change (see what i did there? 2.x to 2.x vs 2.x to 4.x >.> ). you want further confirmation of that go ask any developer whos worked on cm7/cm9. and thats hackery of the highest caliber, people here ported ics to the g1 just cuz.

now you have a multibillion dollar corporation like moto and sprint who have to have this software update and have EVERYTHING working on it perfectly (including dual cell radios). the razr has had a few leaks to prove my point, the first ics leak barely anything worked.. its not the horrible software by moto its because ICS is designed to run on hardware google wants. if you want it on other stuff then you had better start from scratch and add in your own code. go download motos source for 154_5 look at the platform source and see how many changes you have to make to aosp to even get the phone to boot (that will get you a barebones aosp setup... no blur or any sprint apps etc... JUST enough to get booted... and look to see how much you had to add in, now imagine doing it line by line PER model

moto has been nothing but upfront about it all, on the e4gt we have had too many ics leaks to even count and yet after 4 months there seems to be no end in sight. no word on oh yea its coming at some point guys (to the people going HUUUR YOU HAVE ICS WHY DO YOU CARE?!!?!? kernel source is a nice thing to have, especially when samsung has a bug in theirs that formats emmc causing hard bricks that cant even be jtag'd). they have a well written post explaining why it takes so long and have a chart to say ok look guys this is our best guess. chances are due to them realizing with the razr how much harder ics is they had to take a step back...

the part that irks me is to see the atrix get it in q3 yet the photon has to wait til q4...
[Motorola Photon 4G] Eguy:
I was trying to hold out until the ICS update hits but with the word of the bad 2.3.5 update and ICS delays I finally broke down and installed a custom rom and what a good decision that was! Other than a few small bugs, the phone runs better than ever. It's great not having all that moto crapware installed anymore! Great job to the photon dev crew for their hard work.