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[Motorola Photon 4G] Lancerz:
I don't see why people are so upset like Motorola has to do everything the way that one particular person likes it. I personally could care less about the locked bootloader, I mean the photon is better stock than most phones are with unlocked bootloaders and custom roms. The photon is a great device even if they don't unlock the bootloader and them pushing ICS back to a Q4 release doesn't mean a thing...it's still a great phone. My upgrade is in November so if Motorola comes out with another high end device by then i will definitely upgrade to it, locked bootloader or not. When I look around my house I have Motorola cable boxes, motorola modems etc...which lets me know they make dam good products. :D
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
These phones have finally hit the size / capacity / functionality sweet spot for me that I don't much care when the new one comes out. I got to this point a couple years ago with my Sony SSD laptop, realized that my Xoom tablet (though a bit heavy) does everything I want it to do. And my Photon now is mostly just for phone calls, pics and texts. Oh well ..... :)
[Motorola Photon 4G] Dsparil:
The only thing I care about is for them to leak it so that we have drivers for CM9.
[Motorola Photon 4G] sjamie:
Which ROM did you install?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Eguy:
AOKP build 36
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
My first android phone was the Motorola cliq(dext) and the phone was amazing. For the time it was fluent and very well designed. Every Motorola device I have seen has been the same. Very well designed. The phone shipped with 1.5 which at the time 2.0/2.1 (something in the lower 2's) was already out but on a very limited amount of devices and it was the same situation we have with the photon. People complained about how all other phones were getting 2.x but the cliq still didn't have 1.6. The update was announced to come out a few quarters later but didn't come out till over a year after it was originally posted to release. But guess what. Other than the phone status saying it was 2.x nothing else changed. The phone performed and looked exactly the same.

Motorola has been doing this sense they entered the Android world. I knew this before buying the photon and I expected this setback. I love my phone!! Its extremely smooth on both stock and jokersax's cm9. If you want the power of tegra then stay on gingerbread. If you want the feel of ics then flash any of the millionkazillionbajillion ics roms we have on xda. People have had ics on the e4gt for several months now and they still complain worse than preteens after a breakup. I own a e4gt but have stopped flashing it after fc27ish because I got tired of everyone's immaturity. Please don't go down that path.. enjoy what you have. Don't like it buy something else and complain. Samsung and HTC are no different. Btw I also own an HTC thunderbolt and they don't even have one ics port. Nothing. Zip. The HTC inspire is a bit older than the photon and they don't have an official ics release date.

Anyways I'm smoking have gone blank on where I was going with this lol anyways. Point is. Stop *****ing please... this a great phone. The best of its generation. Stop hatin' :P

Sent from my Photon Q using ultramegaextremeXDA
[Motorola Photon 4G] Shad0wguy:
It wouldn't be such a big deal if they weren't about to push an update that relocks the bootloader. Until someone finds a workaround I'm stuck on gingerbread til moto gives us ics or upgrade time rolls around. At this point I'm thinking the later with come first.
[Motorola Photon 4G] CCallahan:
My opinion but it seems Moto is putting priority on devices by how many product has been sold. Which would explain why Photon is on the end of the list even though it has superior hardware compared to some of the other devices.

I do agree with the rest of the comments as well. Just seems odd that a company like Motorola with all the devices out there have only released ICS for one device. Either Motorola is draggin or Google needs to make the transition from one major version to the other easier for the manufacturer to deploy. Not sure how, but if they are going to compete with Apple/Microsoft then they need to do a better job of getting the latest releases to the consumer to improve the overall experience (realize MS isn't a big contender yet but they will keep pushing their weight until they are relevant).
[Motorola Photon 4G] bitbang3r:
> It wouldn't be such a big deal if they weren't about to push an update that relocks the bootloader.

I'm sure they have the ability, and long-term plans, to eventually force the update to go through... but for now, at least, just having your phone rooted will probably be good enough to postpone it until you can get your phone more durably-protected from them.

As far as the ICS delay goes, my guess is that it comes down to manpower. Moto probably has just a few people working on backports, and they probably do one family at a time, and release one phone within that family at a time.

My beef with pretty much all three of them (Moto, HTC, and Samsung) is that they release literally nothing (voluntarily) until the bitter end, and Linux's lack of a stable ABI means that pretty much every new release of Android breaks every kernel module that came before it. If they'd just spend a few days building ICS-compatible kernels and recompiling the proprietary kernel modules for which source can't be released, then dump it out and say "have fun, this is all 100% unsupported, the real version is coming in 6 months", nobody here would have any reason to complain... and they'd have an army of unpaid beta testers giving those new kernel modules a major workout.
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
you mean like sony does? :P

its not hard, as soon as someone has teh ics stuff cwm flashable zips can be made to update people minus the bootloader...
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
Its not the 3 months.. its that everything Motorola says, they backpedal on. Where the unlocked bootloaders? Now this ICS crap.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Well said.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
Add to that, I thought 2.3.5 was to originally be last Q1? To be honest, I love my Photon, but I don't trust Motorola PERIOD!

WillySP and Mad, your missing the point. If they tell me "June of 2015" and you deliver June of 2015, I'm cool with that. Then if we get to April of 2015 and you tell me September of 2015, yea, its only 3 months, but you made a promise (that I wanted 3 years for) and did not keep it!
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Nope - not missing the point at all.

I agreed with the previous poster's comment: "....its that everything Motorola says, they backpedal on". I'm agreeing they need to meet their commitments.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
Honestly, born and raised in the USA, 8 years in the U.S.M.C. I try to show love for home BUT..........The South Koreans and the Chinese look pretty damm good at the moment!!! Just saying, if they want to show me love, I will take my $$$ to them! Business is business!
[Motorola Photon 4G] DualSportDad:
I for one am sick of it. I really like my photon but all this unlocked boot loader BS and just lack of support.

I moved on to the nexus line..... so nice not having to deal with BS or worry about it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
Thats probably where Im heading too except I may jump to TMobile. My contract is up in 2 weeks.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
My first (corporate) cell phone was a Moto which I loved.

But have used all HTC since then.

Thought I'd try the Photon ....

I will most likely go back to HTC as my next phone. Moto can still save me as a customer by getting ICS out in Q3 per their commitment, and unlocking bootloader.

But I expect them to renege on both.

And that's not the end of the world - HTC, I'm coming back soon!
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jungle Jack:
Hello,

While I know many have serious doubts that Motorola is ever going to release ICS for the Photon, I honestly believe it will see the light of day. As it is Sprint's first Flagship Android Handset and any sort of Flagship in many years, Motorola not releasing ICS would truly alienate all Photon Owners as they did announce they were going to do so. I know I would never buy another Motorola Handset if they do end up not releasing it and I have said multiple times this is the best Handset I have ever owned,

Cheers,

JJ
[Motorola Photon 4G] DualSportDad:
I don't think your missing much by not having a HTC right now..... I can honestly say the 3d was the worst phone I've ever had..... I really think they should have never sold that phone to anyone. The new HTC 1x has serious multi tasking problems that I could never live with.

The photon is a great phone but Motorola did its owners wrong.

I hate samsung phones but atkeast with the nexus line you don't have to worry about updates and locking bootloaders etc. I really hope that in the future Motorola builds the nexus line..... a full open vanilla android photon would be tits.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
Good good people. Kiss Motorola's ass on forums and get what? Accessories? Inclusion in a beta test? You already bought their device, that's all you owe them.

I'll be the first to agree, Moto makes great hardware. But this locked bootloader crap is just that. As for the ICS delay, they made that bed. Here's a fresh idea: make all the phones of a generation mostly the same. Use the same CPU, same RAM, same GPU, same radios with minor differences by carrier but with a universal driver that supports all models, etc. Then when one gets updated, it's a quick copy and paste job to do them all.

I think it's safe to say that Moto gives not two fresh poops for Android as a platform. What they care about is making a good cell phone. They don't see them as handheld computers like we do, handheld computers to support with timely updates, they just want you to buy the next one, and the next... And you know what, it's not that bad for what we pay. I paid $150 for mine. Still, they should at least give us the option to unlock. That's my position. I really couldn't care much less that they don't support their phones, but they shouldn't hinder XDA's efforts. That's all.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Shad0wguy:
That's one of the things that annoys me about this whole situation. The atrix and atrix2 still are slated for q3, and the photon is the same hardware with a different set of radios. If it takes a whole quarter to get new radios in what will be an existing ics upgrade they need better programmers.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jungle Jack:
Hello,

Not to be paranoid, but I hope those comments do not apply to me as I said I am done with Moto if they do not follow through on ICS. Anyway, after late last night's announcement that the Droid 2 and Droid X3 which are both similarly less than a year old and both use the same Tegra 2 SOC does make me pause for concern. That being said, both have far less RAM than the Photon.

Cheers,

JJ
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
For what you said, "First Flagship Android Handset" is why I don't see it coming. There are at least 3 current handsets the will leave Photon in its dust and the Evo and SIII coming soon. From a business side, If I were Motorola, I would set my sights on them! And even if they did release a new handset to deal with them, eventually, they would screw them too!
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jungle Jack:
I meant to write it was Motorola's first Android Flagship for Sprint after Dan Hesse and Moto's CEO had that Press Conference announcing a revitalized relationship between the two companies.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
Look how that marriage worked out, my marriage to my ex-wife was better than theirs and I can prove it! I was with my ex-wife for 6 years, actually living together for 4 of them. Hess and Moto technically got married August 1, 2011. Have you seen a Photon Commercial after August 31, 2011? I arrest my case, I lasted 4 years, that marriage lasted 30 days!!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jungle Jack:
I agree about the Sprint part, but it would alienate all Photon Owners and likely cause them to pause before purchasing another Motorola when/if they switch Carriers or Sprint goes Out of Business due to the Billions of Dollars they had to guarantee Apple just for the honor of selling the all knowing and dancing iPhone 4S.

Sprint sold their soul to get the damned phone. Right before its release, the Premier Program went away which meant no more Annual Upgrades for us former Gold Members, no more Billing to the Account of Handsets, the Retention Department developing a Stick like object protruding proximal to the Prostate, etc,,,
[Motorola Photon 4G] xpainkillerx:
How many of you actually have hard facts or expertise in this field, and how many of you are just spewing bull? Firstly, know the process that it takes to update to ics when you are not on a straight Google phone. Secondly, understand "the man isn't out to get you" Motorola and Sprint aren't sitting in back room somewhere plotting how to scam their customers, pissing off their customers drops their overall satisfaction, which in case you didn't know is sprint's only edge on competition right now! They have been restructuring there csat for over 3 years now! Thirdly, I am just as upset as you are! But know the facts before spewing out useless, opinionated, and misguided information! While it is true that companies like Motorola, Sprint, Samsung, Verizon, HTC, ATT all focus on pushing updates on their new handsets before their old ones, they continue to push updates on there older devices because fyi if your not happy with your phone and you blame sprint you will switch carriers!
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
Google said all phones would be supported for 18 months. Thats not the case.

Motorola said they would unlock the bootloaders. That hasnt been the case.

The Photon ICS date has slipped. I really dont think we'll ever see it.

Bottom line, Motorola sucks. My wife has a Droid 2 and its a POS too. Motorola is losing her to an iPhone (Her work doesnt even offer Android devices any more) and Im going elsewhere as well.
[Motorola Photon 4G] five40:
I will never buy another Motorola device unless it's a Nexus device

This has been the worse Android experience I've ever had!! Piss poor customer service on Motorola's part.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
"Worst ever" - but no supporting info offered. I had a 3D that my wife now uses. I loved it and see nothing wrong with it except the silly 3D pic/video feature which I ignored.

In your opinion, what is so bad about the 3D? Just curious.

tnx

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OK, I'll bite. Another "worst ever" post with no supporting info offered. I see no real difference in usability between my (wife's) 3D and my Photon. So just like I asked about the 3D:

In your opinion, what is so bad about the Photon? Just curious
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Facts!
[Motorola Photon 4G] DualSportDad:
the whole phone.... it's a total piece of ****. the camera is useless..... takes ****ed up color pictures.... seriously... useless pictures. the radios..... are they even in there... because i never had signal and i live in a tourist city. that damn carousel..... don't even get me started on that bull****. and the build quality.... cheap as all hell..... by buddy dropped the phone on the floor of my jeep one time (i have no carpet) and when he picked it up it looked like it was drug across a street or something. the side where all peeled up and dented showing the aluminum underneath. i mean i know it was a drop onto the florr of a truck from maybe 2 feet but i'm always dropping my phones on the floor on my jeep when i pick them up out of the cup holdr and they look fine. ah... and that speaker.... what the hell were they thinking there? i had to go out and buy earbuds so i could watch the green hornet and be able to hear it in my quit ass house.... did i mention i didn't like that phone? seriously... garbage. and that's coming from a person that loved his evo 4g.

i did my research before buying another phone. i had a very, very bad experience with samsaung in the past as well as htc. one thing i was happy about with the 3d is that htc did unlock the bootloader.. or atleast when i had it it was easily done without htc. so i did research on the htc 1 and the nexus. the htc one has some serious problem with multitasking that i could't overlook so i chanced it with the nexus. it's a nice phone so far but it's far from great.... hardware could be better. i would really like to see a motorola nexus phone.... i think i'd be in heaven. a droid razor with removable battery as a nexus phone and i'd be smitten. a photon/ nexus version would be awesome as well.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Ok sounds like you had a bad experience with a great phone. I have thrown my phone by accident, flew about 20 feet. Bounced off my pavement driveway and then landed on gravel. Happened two days ago. The screen still looks brand new and the only physical damage I see is a scratch on the top left corner from hitting the pavement. The rest of the phone looks fine. The camera is one of the best I've seen on a 2011 device (3rd party apps make a difference) the battery is still amazing compared to most, with the right tweaks. The radio is one of the best I've experienced. I have 6 (2011) active android phones in my house right now and the photon gets the best reception. I live 20 minutes out of town. And you are completely wrong about hardware, also misguided. This is a mid 2011 device. At the time when it came out it was literally one of the best androids you could by. Came with a processor made for gaming, extremely smooth and I don't even use a task killer. Came with tons of ram, the most a phone had at time of release. This was and still is one of the best androids out to date with the exception of the phones released late last quarter.

Most of you complaining about this phone complain mainly for one or both of two reasons. One, you did not unlock or root, or flash a rom correctly. And/or two, you have too high of an expectation of your phone and supposed super powers it may or may not contain.

And please people stop complaining about the ics update. Its not just the photon its also 80% of the 2011 device line. A lot of them don't even have an ics release date. We are lucky we got an estimated release date. It will come out. Motorola has always been terrible at predicting an update. The bootloader is the only legit plausible excuse for a reason to be upset with this device and even then it still isn't that important for us because some great dev here has unlocked it for us with the exception of 4G which isn't important to 90% of sprint users because wimax sucks ass anyway!! Its rare for American users and sucks ass for the few fortunate enough to have access to it.

Sent from my Photon Q using ultramegaextremeXDA
[Motorola Photon 4G] Shad0wguy:
I believe that rant was towards his evo 3d, not the photon.
[Motorola Photon 4G] bitbang3r:
I'd like to see a poll someday of individuals who didn't think giving up 4G was a big deal, along the lines of...

"The need to sacrifice 4G in order to unlock the bootloader..."

a) Was a deal-killing requirement, and stopped me from doing it.

b) Didn't stop me from doing it once or twice, but I eventually relocked it so I could have 4G.

c) Didn't stop me from doing it and never looking back, even though my area has solid 4G coverage.

d) Didn't stop me from doing it and never looking back, but 4G coverage in my area was so spotty and poor, it almost more of a nuisance than anything because most of the time, all my phone did was thrash between 3G and 4G & leave me with no data service at all for 20-30 seconds at a time.

e) Didn't stop me from doing it and never looking back... but my area had no 4G coverage, and about a year ago we figured out it never WAS going to have wimax coverage anytime in the next year or two.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the overwhelming majority of "I unlocked and don't miss 4g" crowd basically fell into 'd' or 'e'. The fact is, Sprint's 4G through Clear Wimax sucked, but especially after "i-day", Sprint's 3G went completely down the ****hole in terms of usability (in South Florida, at least), and actually managed to make Clear's miserable & spotty 4G look *good* by comparison. In most places where I've checked around South Florida, we're lucky to sustain 300kbit/sec with 3G, but areas inside the coverage zone can usually get 2-3mbit/sec with 4G as long as you aren't in a moving vehicle. That's a huge difference.

Personally, I think Moto's determination to get the pudding hole paved over *now* was due to the fact that a few developers are (or at least, were) on the verge of getting 4G to work and eliminating that last objection. Had the 4G problem been solved before 2.3.5, the Photon board would have looked like the Evo.*? and Epic.*? boards within a month.

If Google acts quickly and promises an official bootloader unlock as quickly as they can muster the resources to get the code written and out (even if it ultimately delays ICS by a week or three by reallocating the developers to the "get the bootloader unlockers written NOW" task), I believe the Photon will enjoy a major surge in popularity and clear out Sprint's remaining inventory within a couple of weeks. Why? Because right now, in 95% of America with 4G service, buying a Galaxy Nexus (or any new phone) means giving up 4G for at least 3-9 months. I personally know two people who *almost* pulled the trigger and bought a gNex, then decided to hold off until we at least have a reasonably firm date within 3 months when LTE is supposed to arrive here. And *we're* near the top of Sprint's list. I suspect Sprint users elsewhere in the country are even less enthused about buying a new phone *right this second* unless they're totally and completely unhappy with their current one.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
You either work for Motorola or are tea bagging them. Either way, nice try.

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Yea.. if they would unlock the bootloaders, they could right the ship but that aint gonna happen. Even if they wanted to unlock them, Im sure it would take months to do so and its obvious Motorola never even considered it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Lol no I don't work for Motorola. I'm an optimist. I also know a good phone when I see one. My girlfriend dropped her Motorola atrix 2 last week from barely 2 feet. Shattered the screen. Also that phone does not have an unlocked bootloader or a working ics rom. The phone is one of the most neglected Android devices on the market and ironically its a Motorola. These factors don't make this a terrible phone. It has a nice feel to it and uses the same glass that most smart phones use, so it was out of her misfortune the glass shattered not Motorola's. The hardware used in the phone are rare but nice. The CPU is only in a select few devices. With the Atrix 2 being the only gsm device to use this hardware. I understand the difficulties and so do 99% of the community on that portion of xda. They have every reason to cry like you but they are mature and understanding.

And please stop with the damn bootloader thing. It has been unlocked for several months now with the lack of 4G but like many have said "sprints 4G sucks anyway" why the hell would Motorola spend the time to unlock our bootloader when they don't even support the 4G our phone is designed for?? I'm sure they know we have already unlocked it ourselves. Sounds like they are spending time on things that matter rather than a project that will see no benefit.

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[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
@madflava

Please leave xda and join the preteen and house wife community of the iPhone. I have seen you on several threads and if your not trolling then your complaining. Its really annoying. We have understood your misfortune, and have for awhile now. Your arguments are irrelevant.

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