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[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
1. We don't know

2. We don't know

Every company programs their phone differently. Like the HTC One X for ATT only has 600MB for the user and half of that is already taken. You can multitask no problem until you open up more than 4 or 6 apps. We don't know how the SGS3 is or how much RAM TW requires. We'll just have to find out.

All the Android phones have a task killer after you open a number of task and reach a certain threshold.
[Galaxy S III General] $LIm:
Is 780mb free RAM enough for heavy multi-tasking
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
yes. its perfectly enough ,but you wont be seeing ample memory sitting idle in the name of free memory.
[Galaxy S III General] hefonthefjords:
Dunno if id go as far as to say its perfectly enough. It really depends how you use the device. The system has to run in this space too remember, so really its not as much as it might seen.
[Galaxy S III General] ECrispy:
You have no idea if it is. The One X has more free memory and it isn't nearly enough. Unless we see a multitasking test done on the GS3 we don't know.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
How do you know the One X has more free memory? Did you see the images we posted? The One X only truly has about 400mb of free memory or less than that. You cannot access the other 600 mbs unless a ROM allows it.

Do you know how much actual free memory is on the SGS3?
[Galaxy S III General] ECrispy:
I am simply going by the image posted above, which shows memory available for OS and apps. Users have reported One X and GS3 have roughly the same left over after TouchWiz and Sense have loaded.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Which users and where? I'm asking because I've been trying to find hard or reliable evidence.
[Galaxy S III General] ECrispy:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26170732&postcount=4

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26224784&postcount=14

Both say <300MB is free on GS3, same as on One X.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
One of those users doesn't even know and the other one is talking about his SGS2...

I wish someone that has a review unit would just take a screenshot for us.
[Galaxy S III General] NZtechfreak:
I get hands-on in around half an hour, will take a screenshot :)

Have a One X so will take a screenshot of that too for comparison.
[Galaxy S III General] Zanr Zij:
779MB or 780MB as my testing!
[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
With respect to the ram usage to me both htc and Sgs are going to be the same.

Htc : 600mb used + 400mb free

Samsung : 220mb system used + 350mb used + 430mb free

Htc sense takes 600mb in the whole

Sgs takes 570 mb in the whole

So what's the difference here all of us blaming sense?

To my understanding the whole 780 mb is not going to be free for user apps to use in the Sgs.

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[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
Forget about Htc Sence or the Tw, finally the devices are going to have the same free memory just with stock with no apps running

Sgs 350 - 430

Htc 350 - 430

All are going to be one and the same

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[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
s3 has only 50 mb lesser than s2, so its not going to make an big difference in available free memory, sgs3 will surely have more free ram than the hox which uses almost all of the available memory for its sense 4

this is how a hox looks (pure stock with only apex installed additionally)

source
[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
Screenshot to verifiy this please.
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
Should probably close all your apps before taking that screenshot......

To actually compare, clear everything then screenshot and compare. Doesn't help when you have facebook and a bunch of things open.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
those apps are not started manually but by the sense itself as per the "original poster"
[Galaxy S III General] Reckless187:
All your screen shot proves is that the One X has a total system memory of 976mb, and that the user has a lot of apps running in the background. Not sure what you're trying to prove.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
This is the only reliable post out of all the other ones. I'm waiting on your response. Please share your experience.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
am proving nothin, am just saying hox will be using more memory than sgs3. the advantage of hox having 200 mb more memory than sgs3 is cancelled out by using sense 4.

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u r right, would be nice to see a memory usage screenshot of vanilla hox and sgs3 rather than talking with assumptions ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Reckless187:
We wont actually know that for sure til someone posts a screen shot of how much memory the SIII uses after killing all tasks. The One X and Sense, after killing all tasks uses 600mb memory.

But I kind of agree with you, I can't see TW using as much memory as Sense does.
[Galaxy S III General] ECrispy:
To the user above, forget screenshots, take a video which tests multitasking like the ones for the One X.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
I'd prefer both.
[Galaxy S III General] Reckless187:
Yeah, I suppose so, but a screen shot of how much RAM TouchWiz uses would be just as useful.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
it was shown in one of s3 hand on videos, searching and still couldnt find that yet
[Galaxy S III General] emahmood87:
Hi m posting two screenshots the first one being after a Reboot of One x and clearing all running tasks.... as can be seen about 438 MB Free Ram which is pretty good hope SGS 3 will have more....and the second screen shot is the one after regular use and whats normally available to user with 167 MB free RAM..and heres a brief video of multitaking on One X...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRIN2AkWlWQ

I hope SGS 3 has sufficent RAM available too like it was with SGS 2.
[Galaxy S III General] :
yes and of those 780 mb you will have 500-550 mb becouse system will steal another 100 mb maye even more. :mad:

correct me if im wrong.
[Galaxy S III General] NZtechfreak:
This wasn't immediately after boot, but it was only shortly after on a freshly factory reset S3:

Not as much as we'd have all hoped for, but let's see how it performs in use before we grab our pitchforks and head to Samsung HQ.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Thats still more than the Hox or just as much. Most apps are 10 to 20 mb anyways.

We're all use to PCs, maybe. We're approaching this wrong and don't really understand the difference between the android system and a pc system.

The HOX has multitasking issues due to HTC programming an aggressive task killer. Maybe sense crashes if it doesnt have reserves or something.

How was the multitasking on the sgs3?
[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
789 - 469 = 320mb of free space in Sgs3 :( that's pretty bad.

So in the whole sgs3 takes 680 mb for system and tw and graphics.

And the htc one x uses close to 580 mb for system, sense and graphics.

Never mind I will still buy..... Sgs3
[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
I still don't see the issue here. Remember that in Android, "free" RAM is wasted RAM.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
its not 1gb vs 1gb its 976 mb vs 779 mb.

so we are having 320 + mb for usage which is good.

exactly
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
When it comes to android, we have to STOP thinking like a PC user. Android opens up programs we use often to set up a cache for us. FREE RAM is actually wasted RAM like someone else posted.

http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
[Galaxy S III General] Wond3r:
^^

That should be the first post in this topic
[Galaxy S III General] ECrispy:
The real question is did Samsung make the same changes to TW as Sense which broke multitasking? And of course more ram would be better as it allows more tasks to stay in memory.
[Galaxy S III General] Wond3r:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26297386&postcount=35
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Yeah, is OP still around here?

As Wond3r posted, no they did not. This is proven by AlexiDmi's videos, aka MisterDumi.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
confirmed !! no such problems in sgs3 like hox in multitasking

here is the source

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26297386&postcount=35
[Galaxy S III General] emahmood87:
Galaxy s 2 had brilliant multi tasking better than galaxy nexus or htc one x ... have used all these mobiles... i expect galaxy s 3 to be just as good as its predecessor.
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
I never thought about viewing ram like that, u can see I am a windows user. Wow, now I have to reconfigure my phone

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[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Yeah. The only apps that should be closed are the one in the multitasking button. Never kill apps with a task manager killer because you're kill it caches that your Android made for other apps that need to run and grab sync data from the web, or they are the apps you open often, etc.
[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
Lol. It is 1 gb vs 1 gb for your info and it's advertised, it's just that in the task managers of both devices shows things in a different way, Samsung excludes the graphics memory allocation in the task manager and htc doesn't.

I am not sure in htc if the whole 1gb is android manageable or not but if it is, then its much better in the ram department than Sgs as its only 779 as android manageable. Yes I know there is a bug in the multitasking in the AT&T one x which devs can handle after all the community is for that.

I am not overly obsessed or inclined with Sgs even though I use Sgs 2 and have never owned a htc phone myself and not to forget, I am buying sgs3 as well.

To me wrt ram, both devices are one and the same. Sgs 3 = Htc One X, tie.

I know that android handles memory in a different way than windows very well and I am a Mac user, just saying for the records.

To all that saying 1gb is more than enough, I have been using Sgs 2 with Sygic running foreground + a Dvr app running in the background recording my driving and the Tasker has always been notifying me that the device running out of memory and asks me to clear open apps or reboot device. Few times the dvr that has been running in the background has been killed by the system automatically because of insufficient memory. So to me I would still say 1gb is on the lower side with the current trend and the device will be outdated very soon unlike the Sgs 2 which was released a year back wit 1gb ram which still holds the crown.

Sgs3 will surely outsell Sgs2 but that doesn't mean it's a better device than the predecessor and the same goes to apple as well.

Sgs2 rocks....Still.
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
How easy would it to get the versions with 2gb of ram, mainly Asia, out side of the areas that getting it

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[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
I honestly don't understand the whining. I never had any memory issues on SGS1. And i'm talking about jumping between chrome with 3 tabs open and tower defense. And remember that the Galaxy S 1 "only" have 370 usable RAM. If you go see the RAM manager in ICS you will see that the RAM if is not used on a program is caching another.

The SGS3 has the double of usable RAM that the 1. Unless you wanna play three games, surfing the web while listing FLAC music at the same, 1Gb is more than Enough.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
sgs1 was not running touchwiz ics and it was running cm9 ics which uses lower memory footprint. anyway 779 is enough for multitasking.
[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
That is way i'm gonna count the days to CM9 officially hits the SGS 3. ;)

All doubts about RAM and Multitasking are gonna be answered next. Stay tuned....
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
All the whining is from people use to pc gaming.
[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
Lol, I sense you saying like "Hold it right" or "don't use it" to full its potential.
[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
What would it be to use it to it "full potential"?
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
Having no free ram

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[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
Is that i really want to know what "full potential" means to people.

I as stated before. I have a SGS1 and never had any RAM or multitasking issues with 370 MB of RAM.

Meh, maybe i should stop here......
[Galaxy S III General] ky0nkyon:
I don't know, but i do dislike how when i go back to an application like a browser after stepping out to do something else like text, that app would reset to homepage and I'd have to navigate my way back. I'm not sure if it's a lack of ram or just the way it is, but i wish it wouldn't do that when i was multitasking for less than five minutes.
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
Its bad ram management, I don't get that

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[Galaxy S III General] sak500:
There is good multitasking in SIII. In settings / dev/ you have option to not keep any activities as soon as user leaves. If unchecked then the MT works great.

Also have an option of limiting BG activities. Standard limit, No BG processes then goes from 1 till 4 process at the most.

Dont know yet how to capture desktop image yet as home+power doesn't capture image.

Edit: tnx for the tip, i had missed it in the motion menu.
[Galaxy S III General] LeviathanPT:
Pass your hand on the screen to take screenshot, like scanning with your hand.
[Galaxy S III General] Sc0rp10:
I have around a 100 mb of ram available out of the 780. My phone has been up since I got it 2 days ago and it has been used heavily. Now when using an app when I press the home button I experience stone lag and the home screen takes s second or two to load up. Similarly this happens with the app drawer as well.
[Galaxy S III General] emahmood87:
That's not good news m really looking forward to sgs 3 but just 100 mb free that's too low..r u using a live wallpaper?
[Galaxy S III General] Sc0rp10:
Yes I'm using the phase beam live wallpaper and I also have almost all gestures and features enabled like smart stay, s voice, turn away to silence, shake to sync etc. I think it's mainly touchwiz that's eating up the ram.

Edit: I just removed the live wallpaper and it only freed up 4 mb of ram.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
The OP updated his post with an article explaining RAM. It is not the same as a PC. Please feel free to read it.
[Galaxy S III General] lysergic:
Actually the HTC Sensation has exactly the same problem :( It bugs me to no end!
[Galaxy S III General] ECrispy:
This myth of Android behaves differently than a pc has to stop. Windows does the exact same thing, it will cache frequently used programs in memory.

The issue is how much ram is available to Android for this after it has finished loading the OS and oem skins and bloatware. If that no. is low, then the phone will suffer. This is what happens on the One X. Android will also discard parts of the launcher, that's why when you press home there's a delay as it has to load them again. This leads to bad user experience, and more ram fixes the problem. Just like in Windows, it will reduce paging.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
No one ever said "more ram" wouldn't be nice. But with 1gb of ram, and android apps at most taking only 20mb of the ram why would we honestly need 2gb of ram right now? What if 2gb of ram would drive the phones cost up more?

The One X does it because the Adreno does not have dedicated video ram. Therefore the One X's ram gets taken up by the Adreno itself to power the display and the 720P screen.

The OEM task killers that come with the phones are showing you what is taking up user ram. When you use a task killer and you kill apps you are killing the cache of those apps. Your phone has to reopen all of them all over again. So there is no point in killing those apps for free ram.
[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
Why would not Samsung cache another 20mb for the launcher dedicated to give a good reasonable user experience ? After all that's what is expected right.

2gb driving costs up must be a joke, another 20 - 40$ isn't going bring us back to stone age when we are able to spend 800$ on a device. The more appropriate reason should have been like not able to complete mass production or Samsung has taken it for granted. I would go with the second one.

Ohhhh and please do not start telling me that android memory management is different... Blah blah blah. Everyone knows it and I have issues with my sgs2's 1gb ram with basically running 1. Tasker 2. Sygic 3. Driving recorder. The master device runs out of memory and stats to kill the background running driving recorder.

If I am not wrong, the next nexus device will have more memory and sgs3 will be outdated faster than the lifespan of the sgs2.

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[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
So suddenly everyone is a computer expert here. If the phone can run one of the most intensive graphical games while playing a movie at the same time with android and touchwiz running in the background I'm sure Samsung knows what they are doing more than some guy on a thread with a wishlist.

[YOUTUBE]eAs3ZiPQl-U?t=22m13s[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S III General] <<Raj$>>:
Ignorance and blind folded is all that I can say.

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[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
*shows a video of the phone displaying a 720 screen, playing a Tegra 3 based game, playing a video, running an OS and touchwiz in the background and gets called ignorant*

Ouch. Nice come back. Try again.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
I never ran out of memory in sgs2 it always had 200 to 250 free regardless of the app I load, so if you had issues with sgs2 memory then its your issue and you need to sort it out.

And again 1.5 gb of memory would have been nice, saying android memory management bla bla bla and comparing it with windows memory management is pure rubbish

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[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
So go to Japan, buy the 2GB version and stop ranting.

Oh and you didn't answer my question:

I can't even imaging running out of memory with 780 available RAM. No even when i never had that problem with 370...
[Galaxy S III General] radeonxt:
lols

leave him be.

the evidence speaks for itself.

he's clearly talking about himself.:D

all those tasks on a stock unit, meanwhile the other has already been tweaked by the users has the "no multi-tasking" as a feature and lags on just simple browsing.

maybe that's what he wants.

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word.

cba pwns raj.:D:D:D

checkmate.

honestly, 1gb is enough if only they had optimized the ui's.

not optimizing programs like ui's is not an excuse to expand memory for them to prioritize eye-candy rather than balancing eye-candy and user-experience.
[Galaxy S III General] rchtk:
Free ram is wasted ram actually comes from the linux kernel memory handler, not from PC/Tablet differences. And it is very efficient.

On my laptop:

me@localhost:~$ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 4006680 2528348 1478332 0 255804 1476796
-/+ buffers/cache: 795748 3210932
Swap: 4193276 0 4193276

The important line is the -/+ buffers/cache.

The graphical display 'Free RAM' is fooling you. It is showing you the Mem line. That's a huge difference: 1.4GB Free Ram but in reality I have 3.2GB Free Ram if the buffers/cache would be flushed for other things.

It's a matter of which line is display in your UI.

So the answer to this thread is 780MB. More than enough.
[Galaxy S III General] vasra:
This an issue with ICS by Google.

The UI for the launcher is not given higher absolute priority over other threads all the time, like it is done on WP by MS.

Now, we all know that WP the OS is not blazingly fast. We all know the hw on those phone is sucky old stuff.

However, the UI remains almost always fluid and responsive, because the OS UI thread has absolute priority over 3rd party running apps. They can never stall the UI interactions.

On ICS this issue - for some curious reason - hasn't been solved.

And, when Android hits one of it's bottlenecks, the UI crawls done. Even on a 1.4Ghz dual-channel memory quad-core SoC.

I really hope some of the ROM/kernel tweakers will fix this eventually.
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
Me to, I have to use task manager to clear my ram constantly so that my UI has enough to operate, all my other apps are lag free except for my UI

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[Galaxy S III General] :
I don't think that's absolutely true. This has been discussed at length in past:

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC

I quote : One issue that has been raised is that Android doesn’t use thread priorities to reduce how much background work interrupts the user interface. This is outright wrong. It actually uses a number of priorities, which you can even find defined right here http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Process.html#THREAD_PRIORITY_AUDIO in the SDK.

The most important of these are the background and default priorities. User interface threads normally run at the default priority; background threads run in the background priority. Application processes that are in the background have all of their threads forced to the background priority.
[Galaxy S III General] Hawkery:
So after reading all of this i came to this conclusion:

My SGS3 RAM Status is now 384MB/780MB

I will not be able to get it lower and this is normal.

right?
[Galaxy S III General] daTranquil:
For all of you who are complaining about to less free memory pls keep in mind:

Unused memory is wasted memory. Android has a good memory management. I saw this discussion very often after Microsoft released windows 7.

It is good if an OS is using as much as memory possible and only free it up when needed. This gives in most cases an extra performance boost.

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[Galaxy S III General] bkeaver:
so is everyone whining about memory cause of the 2GB variants that they are releasing and trying to figure out of theirs will run better than the i9300?? i dont get it.
[Galaxy S III General] DaveBG:
YES, and I do not understand all those people that say it is enough...

I am multitasking heavily and often hit the limit of my Galaxy S 1. Most complains about lag came from the little memory.

All those people that say 780 is more than enough will be looking for kernels supporting swaps next year... (in case they do not change the phone)
[Galaxy S III General] kyan~:
i am really glad i am getting the better us variant instead of the worse int. version :)
[Galaxy S III General] bkeaver:
at this point that remains to be seen...why don't we wait for it to actually appear and do some real life comparisons before one starts trashing the other...