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[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
You are just wrong. Absolutely simply plain wrong. It costs less than a euro per gigabyte on HPSA, and the whole point of rolling out LTE was to reduce the cost of data transmission even further.

But you don't have to believe me, you can read for yourself.

http://www.ericsson.com/ericsson/co...df/209/209_BUSINESS_CASE_mobile_broadband.pdf

Title of the report?

Don’t worry – Mobile broadband is proﬁtable

Aww hell, I'll keep citing my sources. I guess you can decide whether to trust NokiaSiemens, McKinsey and SonyEricsson to know what they're talking about.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...mqTVBg&usg=AFQjCNH2INZxD16ONUJtyhI_gtKhJbftVw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNEFxHhZIwaXXN-ifWWPnwvt0JxO-w&cad=rja
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Where do you see me complaining about anything? Obviously I quoted you because you said it's because we want it. Yes I want it. You must've misquoted or something. And yes I watch netflix outside. Imma commuter. I have train rides. And I'm not always somewhere with Internet. Just because I can afford the internet it doesn't mean every person I visit can. Watching netflix on my tablet then using the hdmi cable on the tv rakes up data. It possess me to watch it on my phone because it's a convenience. :confused:

And no where did I say I wouldn't pay full price to keep my unlimited.

:confused:
[HTC Rezound] kingpin003:
And they're basing their figures off a 100,000 euro per tower investment over 20 years and assuming 1mbps transfer speeds. It costs verizon more than that to build an LTE tower(they invested $265 million in Michigan alone last year, still trying to find the quote but someone I remember seeing they invested $17 billion nationwide last year rolling out LTE) and with average speeds closer to 20mbps they are sending way more data. Hence, the burden is higher than you are comparing it to.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Yes I watch netflix outside and stream music. Downloading roms etc, racks up data. I plan on paying full price for my phones though honestly. And if they change it to if you change phones I'll be the first guy to have a phone that literally died on him. Lol
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
And you are an immature kid who doesn't know how the world works.

They have a service you want. They have the ability to raise prices or change the terms every time you renew your contract.

But please, jump over to sprint and see how long before rhey can el your contract.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Not even they're already the most expensive carrier they made 3.9 billion dollars in first quarter alone. At&t isn't making people grandfathered in switch to tiered are they? I may be an "immature kid" but they are giant corporation screwing us over and that shouldn't be justified.
[HTC Rezound] zetsumeikuro:
Well we're going to stay as long as we can keep the unlimited data. Regardless of a contract or not. I hate how greedy big red is, but they're still the best and they know it.

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I stream pandora 10 hours a day every day plus LE and vids. I work graveyard in an office... Would suck without my unlimited :(. Plus knowing Verizon it won't be cheap for those shared plans.
[HTC Rezound] dogswind:
I would not leave Verizon anytime soon, as it's the only solid company in my area. All of the other three big contenders cannot compete in both speed or coverage. Also, Sprint will eventually fall in line unless the other companies are pressured into offering unlimited again down the road. Maybe we can start a huge uproar come cutoff date? :rolleyes:

I will buy my phones off contract for as long as I have to. I also will NOT buy them from Verizon so they will get no further sales. Maybe by then Google Play will have a nice selection for purchase right in their store.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Justified or not, no one is making you stay with verizon. Dony like their plan choices, tell them by switching carriers. Obviously people are not too concerned, they keep signing up...
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Well the people who aren't concern and are still signing up are the people who don't use any data or have good wifi. Us "power users" or people with ****ty home internet are definitely concerned ny WiFi is .002-1mbs as my 4g is 14-25mbs why wouldn't I use my 4g? I can't go to sprint because I'll get booted of their network in 3 months. I can't go to at&t because of no unlimited(at least they haven't completely screwed their users out of unlimited). I may be able to go to t-mobile but they have caps then you get throttled. So the best plan is to stay with Verizon, I really like the service just hate the ethics and the way the company does business. Also I can't leave Verizon until late 2013 anyway. I blame this on apple though, once you get the iPhone unlimited dies watch that happen for sprint too.

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[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Well you can bich and moan all you want but bottom line is that all carriers understand is net subscriber gain or loss.

Mobile Internet is just not going to be a viable home internet solution. Bandwidth is limited though how limited is up for debate.

Unlimited worked for the carriers when speeds didn't push over 1mbps so there was a limit to how much could be done with it.

Now that you can use 20x that, they are of course thing to limit it.

I would rather Verizon keep us unlimited and boot subscribers who abuse it like sprint does. There are already fair use rules in the contract.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
I don't abuse it I actually use it like I said it's impossible for me to do anything on my WiFi so why use? And when it's soooooo much easier use data why should they throttle us now? What's the point in having a ridiculously fast network if you can't use it? I used 2.5gbs today easy, and all I've done is tapatalk facebook,Twitter and a little YouTube.
[HTC Rezound] liqwidzero:
I hate to say it, but with the pricing of data and no other worthy unlimited data plans, I'm almost ready to go back to a flip phone and just cutting out that extra money.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
I think I'm just gonna buy phones off contract for forever
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Exactly. It's like having a Ferrari and not being able to afford the gas. Might as well just downgrade back to dumbphone status if you don't get enough data to actually use your phone the way it was intended. I would be ok with like 10gb caps, that's reasonable. That way these people who actually abuse the service, like some of the above posters that replace their home service with their phone. I've never come close to using 10 gbs, and I consider myself in every way a heavy user. I watch hours of netflix, hulu, etc, and stream music all the time. But the most I have ever used, and that was tethering for a week while out of town in a house that didn't have wifi, is just a hair over 8 gb. Other than that, I have no incentive to continue my smartphone services. Or even start throttling over 10Gb for those that use more than that. I would rather that than be forced onto a limited "tiered" plan.
[HTC Rezound] MotoDj:
i wonder what kind of loop holes we'll find...

i think i could upgrade other lines, then switch the sims out - 2 lines on my account dont want smartphones, only downside is the ETF fees, which is fine, i plan on using verizon for more than 2 years...

im usually use under a gig, but 3 months i've been over 10 from roms and watching tv shows... (3 months out of 3 years! under .5gig almost every other month, hell, last month i hit 2.8 gig without downloading anything at all, just words with friends almost non stop :) and maybe 5 apps

i dont consider myself a power user, nor do i abuse any data - but losing unlimited is one more straw thats gonna break my camels back

lol

i agree, i miss my flip phone, if i lose unlimited, i'll give up my smartphone no problem -

but leaving verizon??? heck, i might as well buy a CB radio, other providers here are junk outside of city limits
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
If they offer us 40gb plans will you consider it abusing? Or is it only because we're using a lot on unlimited? Because im actually paying for both services. It would be Verizon is just making more off me with one.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
That 3.9 billion is $10/line/month in profit since they have 95 million customers. And that is from voice and texting costs.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I disagree con. I can't find anything stating that doesn't include data costs.

And using this math, which is correct, they make ~$40 a month off of me, which is a 40/205= a 19.2% profit. Which again, I don't have a problem with profits, I do however have a problem with screwing those customers that helped to build your company. And if they love their low churn rate, then this coercion off of unlimited data isn't a way to accomplish that number not changing. As they are touting in this press release. Although, I do find it interesting that they mention in the press release that the iphone makes them almost no profit. Honestly, I say kick the iphone users off unlimited and leave the rest of us alone. As they are the ones costing us(non iphone households) more money.

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I'm confused by what you're saying here. I am saying that based off of my extremely heavy usage, those that are using more than 10-20 gb a month on one line are clearly abusing it. I'm not saying that to be a ****, just my honest feelings. As I stream video etc, allllll the time, along with tethering when I need it, and I have never used more than 10 gb. I use my phone enough to the point that I can almost never make it a full day on my extended battery. Nor could I on my TB, or Bionic with extended batteries. So that being said, I don't see how people can use these exorbitant amounts of data without using it as a replacement for their home internet. I'm not saying that there aren't rare instances where you might not tether at all and use 20 gb, but I just can't see it. And before I get jumped on, I will be paying more for the same service on my bill with tiered BS data. Bandwidth is truly limited and those that are racking up 40+ gb a month in data usage are hurting things for all of us. Honestly, I feel if we are going to go to a usage based system it should be a true usage based system. If I don't use 4 gb one month, then it should either A) rollover or B) a flat rate per GB just like we pay for electricity. As I shouldn't have to pay more one month just for going over when my "normal" usage is below that cap. As I'm paying for usage I'm not receiving.
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
I'll probably leave Verizon as I've said when my contract expires in early 2014.

I just can't afford paying $600+ for a phone.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
So you're saying because you don't use more than 10-20 gb you feel those of us that do are abusers? That's what I just got from that. And if that's true... Then you're an abuser in the eyes of someone who only uses 5gb then right?
[HTC Rezound] con247:
$10/month/line is per line on average. That includes data, texts, voice, etc. However, the profit margin on texts is extremely high (it costs them almost nothing) and the profit margin on voice is also very high. The price of voice/texting hasn't changed much recently, but the prices for data is skyrocketing.

The people who "abuse" data by using more than 2gb over the average amount are costing verizon money, especially if they use google voice for texting and/or have a low # of voice minutes.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I guess you could say that, but I usually only use 5-6. My three month average right now is 4.7 gb, IIRC. I even admit I slightly abuse the system, as I do use as much a 8 gb at one point in time. My view of abuse the maximum reasonable amount of data that can be in one month without tethering more than 5-10 hours. I guess theoretically you could use 10 gb in 10 hours of Tethering, but that seems like its abusive. I get it's unlimited, and I'm not saying that my views are everyones, but this is how I feel. As I feel that I am an extremely heavy user, but I don't use more than 10 gb in a 1 month period.

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I understand that, but IMO, they should have accounted for this from the beginning. Something with the margins they were making on texts never lasts forever, as people will always find a way around something that is over priced, like those texts. I'm not mad about tiered data in general, I'm just pissed that I, you, and anyone else who has been on VZW for more than 5+ years(7 here, I believe) is getting screwed for the sake of a few more pennies. I mean without us referring our friends and family, and being loyal customers, they wouldn't be in a position right now to screw us. I understand that I may cost them a little bit on my data package, but they more than make it up on my fiancees. As she might use 5-700 mb a month. Not to mention, my lines also have unlimited texting, and 1400 minutes. Along with the waste that is VVM on her line because I can't convince her to use GV. I say give me a reason to switch to tiered data, but charging me the same for less usage isn't going to get me on it. And they know that. If I could get 12 gb a month on all of my lines for 50 a month, I would seriously consider dumping my unlimited to save a few pennies. But we all know they won't do that.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
It would be difficult to predict the exponential growth of data use on mobile devices. I am on a 4GB tiered plan. Since I pay $7.50/GB for 4GB and then $10/GB after that, I wish others would pay the same. Someone who pays $30 an d uses 95GB is costing verizon money and I am the one paying for that. I think the data should cost a set amount per GB and you pay for what you use. It isn't my problem that Verizon 4G is the only way to get internet at your house. That is fine if you need to use it, but pay for it.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
I'm still confused as to why we as customers give a **** about whether Verizon makes a profit or not.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
1. They are a business. Become a stockholder and you will want businesses to make money.

2. Profits allow them to invest in expanding infrastructure

3. If they are making huge profits they might reduce prices

4. If they are making profits it means that they are running the business efficiently.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Ok, this part we agree on. No one *should* be using that much data. And I don't care how some here justify it, that is ridiculous. As I said above, I think anything over 10gb for one line is outrageous. And *if* verizon would go to a purely per GB/Min/Text basis, I would be fine with that. As that is how we pay for power etc. But I am not ok with paying for 4 gb and using 3, then using 5 the next month and being hit with overages. Does that make sense? I carry double the minutes I actually use because VZW doesn't offer an in between plan and it costs me 20 extra a month because of this. I use right at 700 a month, usually less, but I have to pay for 1400 because their overages are out of line with their "normal" pricing structure. I'm getting tired of paying for stuff I don't need or use for fear of "overages".

I appreciate your work in the community BTW.

I also have no problem with throttling because of this. Honestly, if you use more than 10gb in a month, they should knock your speed down to 500k or so. But I feel like my longevity as a customer, and my 2400*5ish years plus another 1200 for another 2 years before that, along with the 5 or so people that I have referred to VZW, has earned me at least that much leeway. Can you give me that much credit?

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Uhhhhh, because if they go out of business due to a lack of funding, etc., we no longer get these services and have to move elsewhere. Comprende?
[HTC Rezound] con247:
That is why it needs to pay per use per GB. Or, have rollover on the tiered plan.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
1. The concept of shareholder value is destroying our economy. Apple could move every single job related to the production of the iPhone to the US and make more than 50% profit, but they don't because they have to appease their shareholders.

2. No, breaking even allows you to expand infrastructure.

3. Prices don't fall, you know that.

4. Efficiency is a means, not an end. Don't confuse means and ends.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
You're mistaking breaking even and making profit.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Don't think for a second that prices of products wouldn't rise if manufacturing jobs were moved here. That is my main concern. If someone is willing to work for $2/hour assembling iPhones, it is stupid not to use them instead of someone @ $8.25+ /hour doing the same exact job. Plus, pollution requirements, overtime, unions, etc are all other things that increase costs if you move manufacturing here.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
But the thing is they are still making a profit and their profits are still going up so why would they need to screw us? They don't,they're just greedy bastard why make it easier to go over our caps by increasing speeds then limiting it
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
1. No it's not. It allows expansion by companies that otherwise, in most cases, would be able to afford it. Someone needs to quit listening to the media and pick up an econ book. Not trying to be a ****, but I'm sure it's going to come off that way. This "profits are evil" mentality needs to go. If you think they are so bad move to china and let me know how that works for you?

2. Umm, if net income=net liabilities you don't get network expansion. Unless you put in on the proverbial "credit card" then you still end up in the red at the end of the year. Ask sprint.

3. Prices fall where there is a lack of demand. Currently there isn't a lack of demand in the data market.

4. Uh?
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Of course. No question. But Apple could absorb all of those costs and still make piles and piles of money with their phones priced as they are now, and do something good for our country.

And so you know I'm not full of it, here's my citation.

http://www.cresc.ac.uk/publications/apple-business-model-financialization-across-the-pacific

Abstract:

This paper argues that thirty years ago, favourable cost conditions built productive power in Asia, whereas now US financial power drives and benefits from favourable conditions in China as well as the USA. It considers the changing business models within the complexities of a globalised and financialized world since the 1970s and combines the literatures on financialization and on global supply chains to present an alternative view of the dual pressures and its outcomes. It then adds a temporal dimension through the use of macro evidence on cost ratios and labour share of value added in low wage Asia to compare new entrants into the industrial world order since the 1970s. A third section presents a case study which deconstruct Apple Inc.’s financial success and its trans-Pacific relations with its handset supplier Foxconn International Holdings (FIH). The paper concludes by observing that the rise of the post national corporate player changes the alignment between large corporate interests and the US economy where Apple hoards its cash surplus and the success for the stockholders does not align with the broader needs of the US economy and society.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Profit isn't evil. Profit at the expense of real people is.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Yep, labor costs are *typically* a companies biggest liability. Not to mention, half of our fellow americans have the typical "I'm to good to do that" mentality. Or "I'm worth more than that". Each equally as bad. If you are assembling hardware, you shouldn't make more than 2/hr, and you can practically train a monkey to do that. And eventually the tech that you are assembling will take your job anyway.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Bradl79:
is there a longpress cancel for ICS, i loved that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] KillaHurtz:
I believe on CyanogenMod has that.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cjreyes666:
Does anybody know if any of the current devs are going to work or port any of the current roms and/or kernels to the Boost version of the phone.
[EVO Shift 4G General] strapped365:
Wheres the spec sheet for it? Is it a shift, or merge, if so nothing at all needs ported post a link for it
[EVO Shift 4G General] cjreyes666:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/carriers/Boost-Mobile/upcoming
[EVO Shift 4G General] warstoke:
thats the design not the shift
[EVO Shift 4G General] warstoke:
while i would probably be in line to pick one up if it came to boost but yeah boost is getting the htc evo design while virgin is getting the evo
[HTC Wildfire S] SargentRudy:
So i noticed theres 2 kinds of memory for my wildfire s cdma? Theres internal memory and internal storage...theres a HUGE difference between them since i uninstall things with link2sd. Is there a way i can re allocate them?
[HTC Wildfire S] Gloris:
i think you're talking about changing the partitions on the internal storage? to make ROM partition smaller and internal storage larger? so far as i know you can only do with if you are s-off....

see this link for more info

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1456498
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ovojan:
Dear

I have a problem with software for measuring the speed and time in training( endomondo,sportypal),I have used Igo and gps worked fine but these aps doesn't.Does anyone have an idea ,or similar problem with these?Thanks in advance and sorry for bad english.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chelseainspire:
Can anyone confirm 100% that the new 1.82 update fixes the multitasking problem?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
No it does not.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mendezj666:
Hi everyone,

I just picked up a GS4G and want it to work with my Tmobile web2go account but am having some trouble. Some people simply delete the EFS folder but that doesnt work and I have been able to reset the IMEI to all 0's but that gives me problems too.

I have read some people that have a generic IMEI number (004999010640000) or something like that and was wondering how can I get that on my phone. From what I have seen, it is due to flashing a certain rom or messing with the nv_data file. So which rom can I flash to get a generic IMEI or anything else I can do?

Thanks for any help anyone can offer as I would really like to save a few bucks and keep my data plan as it is. Thanks again
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] Fluidification:
the generic actually doesn't work. It won't give you service.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mendezj666:
Ive been playing around with it but after 2 days, I am still able to make calls and connect to tmobiles 4g service with the all zero imei.

For anyone wondering, I first deleted the efs folder (dont recommend unless you have 2 backups), restarted and then it came back with a weird imei of weird characters. I was able to make calls but couldnt connect to 4g which is my primary reason of doing this. So I edited my original bin file with microsoft word and changed a few numbers around, replaced it into my efs folder, then got the all zeroes imei. Then I flashed it back to stock via odin and after this, is connected with my internet plan just fine and could make calls fine as well. I thought about leaving it like this but then flashed it with valhalla black edition and it still connects just fine with an all zero IMEI. I still would like to try it with a bin file that gives an IMEI of 004999010640000 but for now, it works for me just fine.

I pay $5 a month for data from Tmobile (Web2go/Tzones) and didnt want to upgrade and am glad I finally got it to work after a few hours of messing around. If anyone has any questions, let me know. I look forward to poking around the SGS4 threads for awhile until my next phone.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] pwong9:
Hi mendezj666,

I just got my SGS4G today and I also have the $5 a month data plan from tmobile. Can you please share where to change on the nv_data.bin to do the trick? I appreciate that.

Thanks:)