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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I have LTE in BFE where I'm at, no other carrier even has service where VZW has LTE. Do you know what percentage of VZW customers are covered by LTE? I would be interested in learning that figure, Im gonna try to find out..

EDIT: Three months ago only 5% of VZW customers were covered by LTE, I know they have turned the service on in allot of places since then, but cant find a current figure.

I did read what you wrote. Do you think they will stop rolling out upgrades once they raise their price? They have to make the money before they can invest it.

Nah I didn't miss the point. But I found it easier to respond in a joking way than to buy into your premise. And you have been talking in metaphors all day.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Yeah but it has never been about bytes or bandwidth, it has always been about money.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
OMG!

THIS!

Folks, read this, and forget the rest of the thread!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Lol. Hum should we close it now?

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
and they have plenty of money to do that. they are not hurting for money, and in fact are just raking it in
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Raking it in is understatement. X USA wireless store down the street is just a digital crack house. And they don't deliver.

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You have taken my crackwhore reference to a whole new level.

Bravo, sir.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Just listen to read up on all the out of pocket statements ATT Wireless' CEO has been making. He is basically saying we give users too much stuff for free and its cutting into my revenues..and once ATT makes a move VZW is following right behind them.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/att-randall-stephenson/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Funny. I am paying the same price subsidizers are paying. I feel I am giving away too much of my money and freedom to fatten up his and shareholders pockets.

Oh and let's not forget they must be giving away tethering at $20. Double dipping must really hurt their dump truck wallets.

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] danielkuhlman:
Anyone want to bet they cut the unlimited data when the iPhone 5 is released? Everyone and their mother will want to upgrade. They'll pull an at&t and once you upgrade you are forced to select one of their crappy tiered plans
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
That's almost a given, I just hope they don't give us those family shared data plans similar to the ones in Canada, where they are trying to give you 1200 shared minutes and 3GB of data for almost $100 which is like......$100 in the US...:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Verizon and atnt are collaborating at this very moment for their next Superbowl commercial. A remix of a somewhat popular song back in the day.

25 lighters on my dresser. Yessir!

Lol.

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
Posted this in the petition thread and figured it'd be relevant here.

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I just switched from T-Mobile to Verizon after being a T-Mobile customer for over 12 years (since they were VoiceStream). What did it for me was T-Mobile capping data roaming. I had an old unlimited data plan that allowed 5 GB at HSPA+ and then throttled to EDGE. It also included unlimited data roaming originally. A few months ago, T-Mobile decided to lower the price of their data plans and one of the ways they were able to do that was to cap data roaming. For my plan, they included 100 MB of data roaming per month.

I need more than that because I frequently travel to a few locales where Tmo has no service. When at those locales, my phone was forced to roam on AT&T's network with only EDGE data. The EDGE service didn't bother me, the 100 MB of data roaming didn't bother me in principle. What bothered me is that after 100 MB, Tmo cuts you off and you don't even have the option of paying for overage. That's absolutely unacceptable to me. While not frequent, there have been times in the past where I've used over 100 MB of data roaming.

Meanwhile, while they were instituting that cap, I had taken advantage of Verizon's $199 Motorola Xoom offer last November on Black Friday...so I kept noticing that every time I'd leave the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area, my phone (on Tmo) seemed to lose 3G and go to EDGE, whereas my tablet seemed to have at least 3G absolutely everywhere.

So when it came time to get a Galaxy Nexus, I decided Verizon was the best bet. My Xoom made a believer out of me when it comes to their network. They have coverage freakin' everywhere, but yes, you're going to pay top dollar for it. I couldn't care less about call quality as I don't make very many phone calls...but good data speeds everywhere I travel is priceless.

On the Xoom, I only have the 2 GB data plan since they weren't offering the double your data promo when I signed that contract. Every month, I find myself having only used like 5 or 600 MB toward the end of my billing cycle, so at the end of every month I'm always going onto YouTube and streaming HD video just to push the data up against the cap. Got to get my money's worth!

I was able to get the double-your-data promo on my Galaxy Nexus however. When I was on Tmo, I never EVER used 2 GB in a month, nevermind 4 GB. My data consumption has not gone up since moving to Verizon, so for all intents and purposes, 4 GB is as good as unlimited as far as I'm concerned.

I don't mind paying more per month because I'm getting a far better quality product with Verizon than I did with T-Mobile. Value isn't just about price. It's about what you get for the price you pay. With Verizon, I feel that I'm getting a great value, even if the price is higher per month than other carriers. If being connected at a reasonable speed damn near everywhere you go is important to you, Verizon really does have it all over all the other carriers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
I gots to get paid!!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Yep seems like I will be buying full retail from here on out...which is actually not that bad. Just sell your old Nexus with accessories on eBay and you usually end up having to pay maybe 100.00 more for a new phone when all is said and done.

http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-clarifies-new-data-plan-policies
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phoenixs4r:
Interesting. I wonder what's to stop them from just plain canceling the unlimited data when the plan is up? I have no problems buying a device at full retail if I keep my data, but something tells me when the contract expires they won't allow the user to stay month to month with unlimited data.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gahh Its Lee:
As long as they do what they are saying that's not too bad actually.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
This is how I see it for someone who uses more than 5GB of data a month

What it is if you renew your contract

299.99 For Subsidized Phone

+ 20.00 a month for 2GB of extra data

= 539.00 over the course of a year

= 779.00 over the course of 2 years

What you pay if you buy full retail

650 for new full retail phone

-300 profit off of selling 1 year old phone on ebay

=350 for new phone with unlimited data.

We need to start thinking like companies, looking at our cell phone cost over the course of a year, not what it cost now. That's how we get screwed by the carriers. They take advantage of the fact we only pay attention to what it is costing us now, not over the course of that contract.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I don't think that is what will happen.

Chances are, they won't even activate a new phone on Verizon without the plan change, full retail or not. They might even make it so your data plan is converted to something else when you put your sim into another device.

I don't see this boding well for anyone, retail purchased devices or not.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
idk

"Customers who choose to purchase phones at full retail price and are currently on an unlimited smartphone data plan will be able to keep that plan."

seems pretty clear to me... Hilarious how many people will buy phones full price from Verizon now. Just give them another $400 they'll appreciate it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Sadly statements are not binding contracts, and I am sure what has already been said is subject to change.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Noted, but they pretty clearly laid it out there. They didn't exactly try to mask their intentions with the statement. If they were expecting to change their policy sharply, they'd leave that sentence out.

Of course, even if this is the policy, some people will still get burned upgrading phones and getting their plans changed "accidentally".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
No, but it sure is enough to go to court and force the issue.

I actually think they will honor it though. The how purpose of contracts is to keep customers on Verizon. The more people who go month to month the harder it is to forecast revenue for any given quarter because people can just up and leave whenever they feel like it.

Like we all said before its not a bandwidth issue its a money thing. So Verizon has to think about whats going to cost more, losing a month to month customer, who is paying about 100.00 a month to them, because they killed their unlimited data. Or keeping them on unlimited data and also not having to pay for subsidizing their phone, since they are paying full retail.

It cost Verizon $0 dollars to let you keep your unlimited and you go month to month.

But Verizon risk losing about $100.00/month per user if they kill the unlimited on month to month users and they jump ship. Plus they start losing their precious market share of subscribers. Just think if just 50,000 of like over 50 million users users left because of this, that could be a loss of $5 Million a month.

It's funny how in the end its all still about the dollar bills.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I hope this is how it ends. Watch they raise the retail prices of devices.

They are dicks, after all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
Greed. Humans' greatest weakness.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Hahaha this is the beauty of Google getting into the game. But it only works if they also sell CDMA devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Character Zero:
Still wonder how it works when someone on a family plan upgrades. Does that kick everyone into the data pool? If one phone is 3G and I buy a 4G phone full price does that mean that i am "changing the data plan" and its not unlimited and throws everyone in the pool.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-05-17/family-data-sharing/55046704/1

Just read the last sentence. Is that supposed to be a nice way of saying the carriers have you where they want you? Addicted?

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tkuligowski:
My guess is they will start throttling unlimited 4g users when they roll these new plans out due to "network congestion" in an attempt to get the remainder of people on unlimited to switch to a tiered plan. Kind of like what they did, and still do, with unlimited 3g users.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Im not sure if they can throttle 4G.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tkuligowski:
Well if that's true that would certainly be a sigh of relief
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I read something, somewhere. Take it with a mountain of salt.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
I heard this as well that in order for Verizon to get the 4G spectrum they needed from the government, in return they are not allowed to throttle it.

How true that it is, I do not know but have read it posted in a lot of places.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Redline32:
Ever heard the phrase "just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true"?

We all know this is coming back to the power of money. A lot of us here on XDA use incredibly large amounts of data (some of which brag about it incessantly) and expect to get it for next to nothing. I don't mind paying for what I'm getting, but I also want GOOD choices when it comes time for me to evaluate the cost of what I need. If all the major carriers are doing the same dance, what kind of options does that leave us other than going with whoever has the devices we want?

We should all have a pretty good grip on the fact that CDMA devices are going to be headed in the same direction as the old TDMA devices over the course of the next 5 or so years. LTE has been designed and implemented on the GSM structure alone, and the hardware to operate such a network definitely isn't being given out cheap. Personally, I have a feeling the cost of changing the structure of their networks entirely fairly quickly may have a small part in the price hikes, but like many articles have already stated, they really just want to increase their profit margins.

Okay I'm done now. Carry on.

Sent from my brain to yours via the internet
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nosit1:
I have always paid off contract for devices; nothing new. As long as this is true, this makes my week
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jjhiza:
This point is, inherently correct, but I feel you hit the nail on the head with you last sentence. This is a money grab, pure and simple; It's about exploiting a new revenue stream (LTE data consumption) to raise profit margins, and increase shareholder equity, nothing more. This is NOT about pure data consumption, otherwise they would cap and raise prices on Verizon internet users as well (on average, they MUST consume more data than cellular).

GOOD choices, as you point out, is all any of us want, and I believe the outrage is due to the fact that the general consumer feels that choice is being taken away. It isn't JUST VZW though...the loss of real choice is a much broader issue, that isn't really suited to this forum, but the Verizon model does fall in line with what we've been seeing from banking institutions and petroleum distributors over the last 5 or 6 years. Greed is not our great folly...it's consumption and codependency. Our codependency on cellular communication is what allows things like this to happen, and there's very little we can (read: are willing to) do about it. Consumerism, to put it in economic terms, is the disease that allows big companies, like Verizon to manipulate the process, and the stranglehold will only get tighter, unless we are willing to let our dollars do the talking.

Dollar vote people....that's the only thing big companies "listen" to. Talk is cheap. If you have a real problem with VZW's policy, then bail...find something better for you and your family. My contract is up in November, and I'll be jumping ship unless Verizon gives my family and I a good reason to stick around. Think about it....

/rant
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ckoadiyn:
Arnt they raising the prices fios.as well..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
Here is your questions answered from Verizon. No one will currently be kicked off of it and if you purchase your phone at full price you can also keep it.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/verizon-clarifies-shared-data-plans/

Hasn't anyone ever heard the expression that all good things come to an end! The only problem with this though is Verizon is making so much money already that now it just looks greedy.

At least they should counter it with something that might benefit the people! Like everyone on a tired data plan can get a new device every 15 months or something. Companies just keep taking away but never seem to offer anything in return.

I was with Sprint for almost 15 years and that is because they were always offering something new and better then the competition to keep customers around. Their premier program of upgrading your phone every year was simply amazing!

Then about a year or so ago, they started taking away everything from their premier program, to discounts on any of your lines above the first, ETF's almost doubled, and some other things as well. They still offer unlimited data but their data network is so bad unlimited of crap was not enough to keep me.

Verizon can still putt this crap because they have the best data network in the US. If Sprint ever reaches anywhere near Verizon with their LTE, you can bet they will be tiering their data as well if not sooner.

I have 10 gigs of data right now and pay $39. I can't complain because that is to me pretty much the same as unlimited. For people who do not get discounts and also are not on the double data promotion, Verizon's data prices are absurd. $30 for 2 gigs of data is ridiculous!

What Verizon needs to do with their shared data plans is come out with affordable options they actually give people enough data to use on a monthly basis. People should not have to watch their data each month and then stop using their phone because they hit their limit. Can you imagine if cable companies started to tier how much TV you could watch a month. What makes it okay and even gave them the idea for this. Do people even talk on their phones anymore? It is all about data using apps.

Man, it was so much better before the iPhone came along and ruined everything. These issues would have never come up if we still had Windows Mobile phones only with our small group of people using them while everyone else still used their dumb phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] davidstech11:
The problem with your “it was so much better before the iPhone came along..." is there was no Android how you like before it. It took the iPhone's success to have these devices. Not talking about “well this could have or would have happened anyway" stuff because it didn't happen. It took the iPhone's touch screen success and set up to get the devices we all love and enjoy. Verizon wouldn't have been pushing Android so hard and spending so much if it didn't have to compete with AT&T's exclusive iPhone contract. It would be nice if we could just take the good and not the bad but that's not how it works.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
I would be okay with no Android. I did most of the same things we can do today on Android with WM.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phaze one:
Time to get a flip phone.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joshnichols189:
At least they gave you guys this long.. AT&T threw unlimited data out the door so fast..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] frankdeale:
My wife upgraded today in New York City from a 3G Palm Pre + to a 4G Droid 4. She was unlimited and they “grandfathered” her into the new contract notwithstanding what Verizon has been saying.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well Verizon clearly stated that this doesn't go into effect until they are launching their "shared data plans".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NuclearEMP:
Not sure if it has been said but if and when anyone is to activate a full retail phone and Verizon does change the plan "accidentally" you have 3 days to cancel.

Verizon cannot switch your plan without telling you first. They need your permission to change your plan or you are granted 60 days to terminate you contact without penalty.

Verizon does this because they know they are the "better" option

Its tough to know who to switch to because all of the carriers have issues one way or another.

The only way I will accept an unlimited termination is if it was replaced by a 10-20GB plan :)

I have always wanted to leave Verizon just can never seem to do it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] exzacklyright:
This is exactly why i paid 380 for this phone

Mandated from Stannis Baratheon
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dynamicpda:
I have the same deal, a discount on top of the double promotion, though I am hard pressed to use more than 1-2 gig a month.

What bothers me--and what bothered me about grandfathered unlimited plans--is that you have have the right timing. I get 10G for $40 and somebody after the promo ends gets 2G for $30. I'd be pissed if I got the latter deal.

At least anyone on a contract can take advantage of any such promo when they come around again. The problem is knowing about since we tend to tune out marketing once we are on a plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cameron_S:
I am on a family plan and have a unlimited data plan on my HTC incredible. Planning on purchasing a Galaxy Nexus through Amazon Wireless as its $50 cheaper than Verizon but am wondering if I will loose my unlimited data. I have heard different things.

Going through the ordering process on Amazon Wireless there is a data plan option to "Keep my existing unlimited data plan".

Any idea if I will loose it or not?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kvirus11:
While I can't confirm or deny that you will lose your current unlimited plan if purchasing a GN from Amazon, I would have to believe if it is a dime cheaper than Verizon, there will be consequences somewhere down the road.

I also would hate to buy a phone from anyone other than the carrier and have it die or be in some way defective. Mind you I cannot stand the "certified like-new" junk verizon replaces brand new units with either.

I would not personally trust anyone other than the carrier to accurately adjust your contract after purchasing a new phone as I could see verizon using that as a way to somehow rope you into a much less lucrative plan.

Just my two coppers,

Cheers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ihavenewnike:
I will miss it. I use it for home internet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cameron_S:
I ended up talking with a Verizon rep and they told me so long I have the unlimited data option in checkout then it will work, so I went ahead and ordered it through them.

Can't wait for it to arrive :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kvirus11:
That's awesome! I'm glad someone from Verizon could confirm that for you.

I'd hate to try to save a few bucks on this phone to lose out later on a ridiculous data plan.

And you'll love the things this phone can do.

I'm a senior member of flash-a-holics myself and learning how to develop my own kernel.

:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] evilssj4:
if Verizon takes away my unlimited data plan I will be pissed! and I would just go to spring I guess...I got the 4G plan when they were barely rolling it out with the HTC Thunderbolt so they better not screw my plan over and I still kept my unlimited data plan when I got my GN.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sirgoob:
Get it in writing from them prior to upgrading. Or at least get the employees name and #, and tell them they are being recorded during the matter
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] evilssj4:
have some kind of back up proof because verizon employees say one thing and then another employee says another thing and it goes on and on, then you will just be screwed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gahh Its Lee:
I've done the whole get proof thing. A higher higher up came and told me sucks to be you I couldn't care less what they say its always our call not theirs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zeke1988:
i dont even use more than 1.5GB on my unlimited plan, so, this change wont effect me haha

is it just for upgrade only? what about i buying the phone full price?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AngryGibson:
I totally agree because it makes no sense to go from an unlimited "grandfathered" account to a minimal 2GB account. I'll play it by ear when they try to throw this option on me. As mentioned, you said that they have to contact you about this correct?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
Last fall the announced that they would start throttling 3g unlimited users who use a certain amount of data. I took my phone on vacation and used a ton of data in July. They started throttling me in September (and while they claim that your in data speed timeout until the month after your usage goes down or until you go to an LTE or metered plan. I picked up my Nexus in late December and I was still being throttled. If you use the phone out in BFE, it isn't a problem but if you are in a populated area and they throttle you, you won't be happy. It was pretty painful this fall (I didn't even use a lot of data when I returned.)

They had also been exploring options of providing apps that would make your data traffic a higher priority if you pay them more.