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[Galaxy S III General] hefonthefjords:
The exact thing that makes my current phone lag is ram useage. As soon as the free memory reaches less than 90mb the phone starts to chug along as though something is hogging all the cpu even when just switching between two tasks like for example calculator and gmail, neither of which are very intensive applications. As soon as i clear the ram completely (normally this leaves me with about 200 to 250mb of free ram) the phone flies again for half an hour untill all the background processes load themselves automatically into the ram again.

Very damn annoying and the exact reason i am buying a better phone.

I do not care how many times anyone says "android is different, free ram is wasted ram", it still behaves like any other computing system ive ever used, running like an old wet dog when the free ram is low, and if i want to run more stuff on it it needs more ram.

Think of it this way, if you have 780mb of ram and the operating system and stock features take up 500mb of that ram, you can never make use of that 500mb for other things, so it might as well not exist from the users perspective. So immediately you have to think as though you only have 280mb of ram to use for actual user tasks.

And another thing that annoys me, this statement everyone keeps making about "android apps are all only 20mb or so a piece so 200mb of ram is loads".

That equates to less than ten apps at once. Now think that facebook runs all the time consuming 30mb without even doing anything, along with gmail, youtube, the xda app, twitter, instagram, google play and anything else that gives you notifications all using potentially 15- 30mb ram.

Thats basically all your ram used for background processes without even leaving your desktop. Try launching firefox now with its whopping 50mb of ram useage and your phone is essentially turned into a hot brick for ten minutes while android has an internal debate about what to do.

Currently if i recieve a call when i have the browser open my phone freaks out and becomes unresponsive because most of the time there isnt enough memory left for it to open the dialer without having a low memory heart attack.

This is no good to anyone.
[Galaxy S III General] kyan~:
i dont get it either, your grammar is ****ing horrible :P
[Galaxy S III General] bkeaver:
seriously... what are you a grammar teacher... didn't realize my typing was being graded....
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
I agree, I am looking to get the 2gb Asian version as a friend of mine is always traveling

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[Galaxy S III General] JonnyFoxtrot:
Pot, kettle?
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
See, that would make sense if the OS and stock features took up 500 mb but it doesn't.

Only half of that is used for that while the other half is used for app caching so its faster to load those apps you use most.
[Galaxy S III General] puffo81:
Sure 2Gb are better than 1Gb, but honestly, how many apps do you need to run in background?

I think many of you will always fill their ram with background processes, more you have, more you use =)

so I think there is no winner:

performance = international version

(superheavy) multitiasking = S4 version
[Galaxy S III General] BladeZero:
But the real question is, why did Samsung just make a exysos quad with 2gb or 3gb ram

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[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
Because they wanted to build a phone not a PC.

The problem on the SGS1 was the poor memory bandwith and Touchwiz behind. But pure ICS on the the SGS1 runs beatifull.

Well, enjoy Adreno.

The problem is not free RAM is the footprint that programs leave behind.

^ This.
[Galaxy S III General] uf21:
Question. If I root my phone is there a way to make more free ram? Will I be able to delete useless samsung apps?

(take it easy on me, this is my first android phone. Was an iphone user for years)

I was using whatsapp before and was trying to send a picture but kept saying "try again" so I went to multitask and closed all the apps then the picture would send. So im guessing its cause of the ram.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
How many apps do you honestly need open? I haven't ran into this problem as I often only keep about 5 open and close up apps often. Well try this, go into settings, developer options and under apps try the processor limiter. Limit to about 3 or 4 processes and see if you have that problem later on. And then try putting it back and see if the problem still persist. If not, then it can just be software until Samsung releases an update.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Multitask is bad. I have spent a week with mine and it has serious issues with muktitask. Even my music quits in the midst of using the browser with just 3 tabs open. But it is not quite as bad as the htc one x ( tegra3).
[Galaxy S III General] uf21:
Actually I only had 2 apps in muktiask, hence why I ask.
[Galaxy S III General] georaldc:
Price maybe?
[Galaxy S III General] LeviathanPT:
*Bump*

This is where the

"International GS III (GT-I9300) not so powerfull we could think?[disappointed on RAM]"

will continue!
[Galaxy S III General] giftedgiggsy11:
Can anyone confirm that the solution posted here works to help multitasking?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27045272&postcount=15
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
Ok closing the thread but patethic reading people doesn't want accept that GS III is not still able to have great performance in heavy multitasking.. 2 GB of Ram in that case are a MUST! Payed 700€ and not enthusiast at all... time to use changing in the kernel and os.
[Galaxy S III General] XpLoDWilD:
This is unrelated. You'd get a different message, or some Force Close if there wasn't enough memory.

Android KNOWS how to manage memory. It keeps automatically apps open, cached, and clear up the one really not used. So if you have issues, then it's either TouchWiz fault or your own fault.

As said, once more, SGS1 doesn't have any memory issue, SGS2 neither, Nexus neither. Both last got 1GB memory. I can play a 3D game, switch back and forth to angry birds, all of this while listening music, without any issue. Stop complaining about RAM. If there wasn't any 2GB model available on the market (and let me remember you that this is the FIRST device with 2GB RAM, is anyone complaining on other devices with 1GB or less RAM? No!) then you wouldn't even complain!

Tweaking VM heap size and few bits will help, once again to me it's just misconfiguration somewhere if apps are killed by system, but there are no reasons system doesn't perform well with 1GB. Even Samsung's "Task killer" functions are totally useless, as mentioned by a Google engineer itself.

If you're still concerned about memory usage, read this: http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care

An Android Phone isn't a PC. It's not windows where each process active use a certain amount of RAM that is (normally) freed once the app is closed. There's caching, swapping, and much more going on in the Linux kernel and Android OS Activities lifecycle.

End of the debate.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
I don't have this settings written in the build.prop... suggest? Need to force writing by myself?
[Galaxy S III General] Ancifad:
You are right next flagship smartphone this year will released with 2 GB of RAM and Samsung will do it with GS III with S4 LTE version and NOTE 2 coming this Autumn/Fall winter... it's important people know if they want to use massive their galaxy s III should not be satisfied as they hope... i will make a video to show what it's been proved and tested is the truth
[Galaxy S III General] Tectas:
It still has great performance (also with redraws) and is good at multitasking when you know what to change.

Think about how young the device is, it is common that devices got some glitches straight after release and don't blame the device, because of some OS bugs, it still is great, if you want something working perfect out of the box, don't buy it straight after release.
[Galaxy S III General] Ancifad:
hi bro you are right device is "Young" but it's really expansive and someone who buy it want to have the BEST it can offer even on hard usage of it. I've seen people changed their "old" SG II because want extreme performance on extreme usage but now they complain on the real value of this GS III.. this is just to clarify experience and the grade of satisfaction
[Galaxy S III General] XpLoDWilD:
In a few hours when I get home, I'll make a video of my Galaxy Nexus, showing how great it performs with "only" 1GB RAM.

I'm curious to see those "people" not satisfied with their device performance.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
Don't worry i will make it too because ,maybe, it seems it's not been understood what is the problem..
[Galaxy S III General] kickassdave:
Couldn't agree more. I've had the SGS1/2/3 and haven't once encountered an issue pertaining to lack of RAM. This is an obsession with numbers where there is no issue, just folk wanting to see a higher no. of megabytes free when they check their ram usage widgets.

Indeed (although it seems it isnt) end of discussion!
[Galaxy S III General] Ancifad:
Omg do you really think if there will be any ISSUES we were argueing this here? Pls stop say End of discussion, bla bla without any support!
[Galaxy S III General] LeviathanPT:
In the Indian thread brar.arsh posted this :
[Galaxy S III General] Ancifad:
Levi i care if my device has some strange laggs, reboot on home screen, reloading widget and not showing video on flashplayer mode in the window (not in full screen i mean liek youtube).. if there are some apps running in the background like skype, messenger, music etc... :rolleyes: it's easy say "do a reset, format your device, etc.." the fact is i want my gs III capable to do whatever i want with a lot of apps installed inside...
[Galaxy S III General] LeviathanPT:
That will never happen, not with the GS3 nor any other smartphone that may come out soon, people want more and keep adding more without noticing how much it gone since the old days with symbian phones, they will always go beyond the threshold of their equipment and thats what makes the industry move.

If a perfect smartphone ever came out the industry would stop, because you cant beat perfection.
[Galaxy S III General] XpLoDWilD:
http://ompldr.org/vZTRudw/Screenshot_2012-06-06-15-29-51.png

http://ompldr.org/vZTRudQ/Screenshot_2012-06-06-15-30-08.png

eBuddy connected, Skype connected, GameBoid with a game running, Apollo playing, SMS pending, Voodoo FreeOrNot tracking.

Can switch between them without any issue, they doesn't get killed.

Want me to play a Flash video with those open?

(And yes, I have many apps installed)
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
I have:

1. Netflix with a video loaded

2. Browser with 3 tabs

3. Facebook (multiple picture previews)

4. Google Voice

5. Bank of America

6. XDA

Still have a little more than 150 mb of ram free. no app takes more than 40 mb and I have no refresh problems in any of them whatsoever.

When I open 4 more apps (gallery, and others) the last 3 on the Task Manager will begin to refresh.

I don't think I'll ever really have these many apps open. The RAM is fine in my book.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
in one of those tab browser open try to play a flashplayer video for some minutes...
[Galaxy S III General] bam88:
Opening a few heavy websites, such as anandtech, Engadget, gsmarena, the verge, usually results in Touchwiz redraw for me. Opening other apps like Facebook, etc will cause the browser memory cache to be cleared. :(

Ironically, my iPad 3rd Gen does not seem to have a problem keeping all 9 browser tabs in memory for days even though both the iPad and the S3 have the same amount of ram.

Hopefully this ram/memory issue is software side and can be fixed by an update. The phone is perfect otherwise.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
I've pointed this out before and I'll point this out again. The problem seems to stem from Flash itself. SGS2 doesn't have too much of a problem playing Flash and Multitasking in ICS.

I believe there needs to be an update. There are too many factors to put all the blame on RAM. It could be anything hiccuping, the CPU, GPU, etc.

Flash based apps, games (Kongergate), and videos are causing hiccups. Even when open by themselves. This is probably why Apple is skipping Flash and supporting HTML5. Maybe an update to the Kernel from Samsung will fix things. What we're forgetting is that we're all early adapters and Samsung still needs to fix things.

Example, my HOX does not multitask nearly as well as my SGS3, it can't even open up 4 of those apps without my google voice and messenger app being left in suspended animation. Yet it handled Flash better than my SGS3 and it has 189 mb of ram less due to the Adreno.

So what's the real problem here? Poor software optimization for Flash because this is a new SoC? Exynos not optimized? Mali not optimized to run at 720P? Or is it the RAM?

Sit tight and wait it out till people can get to the bottom of this. I was one of the people that figured out the problem with the HOX multitasking issues being due to the Adreno sucking up a lot of RAM. I started by not making assumptions.

What I do know right now is that the HOX S4 handles Flash better than the SGS3 and it has less RAM. This is both of them just running Flash by themselves. This is the only fact that I can go by because I've seen it before my eyes. Blaming the ram is just speculation right now.
[Galaxy S III General] varunkumars:
I am a little surprised here i tried to open multiple applications likePower amp, converteripad, Chrome Beta, Internet Browser........................etc and then i would open Active application tab to my surprise i see only the last two opened applications rest all are closed. I am on XXALEF. Is this happening only for me ??

I don't see this as problem though. I have been using this phone for a day now and i don't have any problems.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
I was thinking even just a 2nd option : problem of flashplayer itself yeah
[Galaxy S III General] Tectas:
Tap on cached processes ;)
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
That's exactly my issue. Those people who said the memory and multi-task are fine probably open a couple of tabs of mobile pages or mainly using light apps like tapatalk. Once I hit anandtech, engadget or other desktop page with a few tabs open, switching to other tasks quits the browser. If I have more than 3 tabs open the rest of the tabs in background exits from memory. If I play a flash video in browser it stop halfway and hangs there. Sometimes a heavy page stops loading completely when low on RAM. Very annoying. Why do we even talk about wanting quad cores and more desktop like experience when even simple tasks like this fails terribly.

I don't care about how this is not caused by not having enough memory or how its not ICS's fault or how other devices can cope with the same memory. It could be due to a whole lot of reasons but I only care about the end result and this phone in its current state with 1GB RAM performs poorly at muti tasking and memory heavy applications.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
+1

The reasons as sayed just 2 minutes ago should be those 3 :

Flashplayer

Gs3 Firmware

Lack of RAM
[Galaxy S III General] Alex Charles:
Of course. If that's what you say so. Go ahead tell everyone. I can do many things at once (GTA3 / music / text / email / tapatalk ) and none of them get killed in the background and I can switch between them easily.

Honestly do you need to do more multitasking than that...
[Galaxy S III General] Tectas:
Just to keep you updated, raised the heapsize up to 192, still no redraws, seems like a good value to stay with, but sure depends how much bloat you got running, could be at complete stock with root only 128 fits better.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9300 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
We are not speaking about that...in fact.. i don't have problems too

read carefully which is the problem of people complain about some strange issues on the phone...
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Almost all those sites have Flash in them, whether they be ads or preview videos. Do people forget to switch their browser to display Flash only when tapped on?

That's one of the first things I do when I get a new phone, I make sure Flash doesn't play unless if I tell it to animate Flash.

Android has that option in the stock browsers for a reason, Flash is primitive and was written for computers and is quite old now. It's being preceded by many new languages like HTML 5. But yeah, it can be Flash and it being a ram hog.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
I leave flash off most of the time unless I want to display a video. Then again the SGS 2 on Gingerbread runs flash perfectly even up 1080p videos not a hiccup from start to end. It has 1GB ram as well as the memory hogging touchwiz. But yeah when all fails, blaming flash seems the easiest way out. Strangely my ancient windows netbook with only 512mb ram and a measely single core atom cpu runs multiple tabs with flash videos fine.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
I can see the problem here. Opening multiple tabs and having all those websites display in full desktop mode does take up a lot more ram.

I guess if you do want to load multiple tabs (3 or more) in desktop view and be able to switch to Facebook, XDA and the gallery you probably need more RAM.

Someone mentioned the iPad3 and having 7 tabs open. The iPad actually doesn't keep those tabs open, they are refreshed as I can see on my sister's ipad.

So perhaps the RAM isn't enough for intense desktop browsing.
[Galaxy S III General] XpLoDWilD:
If you get these issues with 1GB ram, you'll get them too with 2GB RAM. It's a software issue and what you describes uses WAY LESS than 1GB RAM.
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
You know it's funny. Having Chrome open with 6 tabs is around 140 mb, but in the android it takes up more ram having the same tabs open.

I wonder if it's just the browser. Hopefully Chrome Android works out after it goes past BETA phase. It will have to.
[Galaxy S III General] nativestranger:
Yeah I noticed that too. The browser that's supposed to be optimized for mobile use consuming more memory as well as having worse text formatting than desktop version.
[Galaxy S III General] duowing:
I'm by no means an expert on any of this, but people comparing webpages and such I've noticed the Nexus does not keep the pages open and loaded, it will refresh them when you jump back to that tab. Although I believe you can make it keep pages open in the browser settings. So browsing with multiple tabs doesn't seem to be as heavy on the system where Samsung's browser seems to keep the tabs active in the background. Anyway for everyone talking about the 2gb in the US version I've heard it mentioned the main reason for this would be the Adreno. SGS3 seems to be much more GPU intensive with the way it has more animations everywhere, the way the video player shows mini moving clips of videos stored, etc. So with something like the S4 which doesn't quite have the same gpu ability as the exynos, it would make sense to add more ram to give to the processor as dedicated video ram so it can live up to the performance of the International S3. I saw many people complaining about the video performance of the US Galaxy Note that had the Snapdragon vs. the international with the Exynos. As it doesn't seem to have the dedicated GPU memory or the same performance as the Mali. So in actual usage just because the US version has 2GB we may not end up seeing that much more free/available ram to our devices. Again I'm just repeating what I've heard/noticed. I'm by no means any kind of expert or authority. I'll probably be picking up the US Galaxy S III simply as it will be much cheaper for me to get a hold of. If I should eventually decide to ditch it and go for the international at least by that point I should be able to sell the US variant and pick up the International one for a good bit cheaper.
[Galaxy S III General] monoespacial:
Are you opening the sites with Flash enabled? I'm jumping to an S3 from an S but I'm worried that the multitasking won't be better or as good as it is on the S2 or 4s.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sachin sharma:
can any 1 give me the development tool used to modify n app according to the framework-res.apk n systemui.apk

i used it before but accidentaly deleted it n forgot its name!!!

plz help devs
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Taraen:
You want to decompile the apk? Well, it is APK Manager, that's it's name.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
Hi!

Is It possible to hide the button bar during watching a video ?

Thanks in advice!

*Excuse me for my english...
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] rendler:
This is what I use: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goodmooddroid.gesturecontrol

Along with: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smart.swkey
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
ok :D

i will try (but I don't want root my device! )

I try the second... but I can't understand how I can hide the button bar!!
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] rendler:
The second app (Button Savior) is to toggle show/hide a set of unofficial soft keys, it's used after you've hidden the bar already with the first app (GestureControl).

What you wanted was to hide the bar, which is done with GestureControl and requires root. I suggested the second because it makes things a lot more fluid to use than the unhiding, pressing the needed button, re-hiding cycle.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
Thanks!

So... i need to wait for ICS ?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] zetajunkie:
If you aren't going to root and use rendler's GestureControl/Button Savoir method or install Honeybar (it's great for hiding the bottom bar for movies, books, comics) you can hold your breathe for ICS, but who knows when that will drop. Rooting isn't the end of the world if you don't start installing a bunch of stuff you don't need or editing files you don't understand (that end up causing system instablility/boot loops). Just my 2 cents though.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
thanks,

But I wait ICS (official=> *cry*)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Vivified:
Honeybar is totally worth the 99 cents! Thanks bud!
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
The problem is "root" ... and not the 99cent!!:)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] zetajunkie:
If you aren't comfortable with rooting your device, you may well never get rid of the bottom bar, even with ICS. It seems that only certain custom ROMs/firmwares have the ability to hide the bar in ICS (the framework changed from HC to ICS where Honeybar or Hidebar do not work, rooted or not).

So, good luck with finding a better solution than the ones already mentioned. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] WangChung81:
I would suggest just making the jump and root the darn thing. I edited my gps.conf with the standard server upgrades plus a few other tweaks, totally worth it. Even if you don't delve that far into the guts, it's totally worth being able to make proper backups however you'd like.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
Thanks.... but I prefer not to Root (now ) my device... So I will wait ICS and, after that, I will root my gtab!
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] mad.green.robot:
I don't understand people and their ultra-paranoia sometimes. Are they afraid once they root their device, an alarm will sound off in Samsung HQ in Korea, and a massive Samsung satellite will fire a laser beam to vaporise their Android tablet, or what?

Please, enlighten me.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] santomarco:
I prefer to wait ICS with the "stock" firm & no root device... It's simple :)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Vivified:
Rooting for Voodoo and Honeybar make it totally worth it.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] b3ltazar:
bar wont come back

I tried gesture control and honey bar. I can hide my taskbar w no issues but it won't come back any suggestions rooted galaxy rom HD. 6210
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] CrisisCorE:
You can go back to stock android 3.2 unrooted at any time when ICS gets out