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[HTC Rezound] con247:
A few extra bucks>>>>>>>something good for your country in corporate & stockholder eyes.

Maybe if phones stopped getting subsidized data prices would fall. Because:

1) Carrier isn't $300 in the hole when they start with you

2) People who can't afford smartphones (which is a large fraction of users) won't be able to purchase them. This will reduce data usage.

I wish they would stop subsidizing. Then people would learn the true value of these devices. No more 10 year olds with iPhones. (trust me, it happens more than you think)
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Right, but then that's a moral argument. And I am arguing that profit is morally problematic in certain instances. This isn't a new argument. It's as old as Aristotle.

Yeah, I agree. Death to the carrier subsidy model. I'd rather pay up front for my phone and pay less on my bill.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
But carrier subsidys are the reason that we get locked into contracts that is why they will never get rid of them
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
I'm not sure, I think carriers are starting to think of them as a liability too. Sprint could conceivably go bankrupt if they don't sell enough iPhones.
[HTC Rezound] EmerikL:
Have you ever done any 2M work? Grabbing a soldering iron and globbing solder on a board isn't soldering. It takes alot of time and patience to master that. Believe me I know. I was certified once upon a time and that was just for Micro work, never mind Mini, that is whole other ball game.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
It is an interesting idea. Flip phones and tablets, use wifi only... Maybe we are heading that way. But then of course, wifi use in public places would increase and businesses would start charging for access... A vicious cycle.

interesting idea, but pretty sure that won't work. When you sign up for that new phone, they are going to put that line on a tiered data plan. Not sure they will let that line get switched right away to a non-data line. Maybe they will.

Agree with most of this. But I do think that 10gb across the board is a more reasonable limit, even if it costs a little more.

Because if they don't turn a profit, they don't expand. Look at sprint and wimax. When was the last time they opened a new market?

Roll over would be nice. I really need to look at my plan. Might be time to drop texting and use google voice, just like alot of y'all do. Might be able to get away with 700min as well, but then I would lose the 10 free numbers...

Guess my kids and their dinc2's would irritate you then. Carriers offer subsidies to lock in subscribers which is what they are after. If you can get someone on a 2 year contract, then that is good for business.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings if this happened, but I think it would probably kill smartphones. People would get the cheap flip phones and buy 200 dollar tablets instead.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I don't know that it would kill smart phones. I think you would see a serious reduction in prices across the board for smartphones as now they will actually have to lower their prices to still move phones. You will see them drop to a 300ish price off contract IMO to match their tablet brethren. You will also see the lesser spec market increase in market share. Also, I would be willing to bet you would see a major reduction in data prices as the carriers will now have to compete on a greater level to get your business. JMO, and unverifiable.
[HTC Rezound] Caladus:
I am in favor of pay per use systems with included rollover data/time/etc. I'm a heavy (read : VERY) user of data. No, I don't replace my home internet with my phone's data. But I do use it a whole hell of a lot when out on the town (I'm a law student, so that is most of the time). This includes tethering and whatnot.

I've been a loyal Verizon customer for more than 10 years. While I am saddened by the (apparent) death of unlimited data plans. I'm not really surprised. I'm keeping my unlimited for as long as I can. I don't mind paying MSRP for a phone. That's just fine as long as I don't have a contract.

I don't see very many customers rage quitting from Verizon or any other carrier that they like over this.

All that being said : I am in favor of pay per GB use rate structures, as long as they have some sort of rollover. And as long as I deem the pricing fair. I'm fairly familiar with data access costs on the infrastructure end, so I have a good gauge on fair price.
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
No upgrade till 2013 :D

Sprint or TMobile... I'll find out in 2 years.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
not in San Antonio. Launch city. But I will probably stick out verizon for awhile.

They really shouldn't have releases like this without being ready to tell people the details.

How much will these shared data plans cost?
[HTC Rezound] krelvinaz:
That's the magic question...

Via my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] jdk2:
Here's hoping the FCC restricts VZW's spectrum purchase to allow that very thing. If they want the spectrum, they'll have to allow customers who purchase a device from 3rd parties to activate on the network without recourse.
[HTC Rezound] Bradh024:
That's what I plan on doing. Hell I've already used 6 gigs of data listening to iheartradio, and other **** at work, and I still have a week to go on my billing cycle. I can't afford to give up my unlimited.
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
but, on the other hand, verizon loosing a bunch of customers to sprint because of unlimited data?

I only switched sprint to verizon for two reasons.

One wimax sucks, soon has LTE, problem solved.

Two, they still offered unlimited data.

no unlimited data, won't be paying your company.

i will switch in a heartbeat.

rather boycott verizon than make them think it is an ok thing to do.
[HTC Rezound] seegs11:
I wonder if the reason they won't take away our unlimited data unless u upgrade is because it'd be a breach of our original contract?
[HTC Rezound] Bradh024:
You got it
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
yeah, just looked and I used about 10gb last month, wife used 3gb, each kid about 1gb each.

If they had a shared plan of 20gb for 100/month I might go for it. Other than that, I'll just buy phones off of craigslist and go off contract unless they decide down the road to change it again at which point I'll jump carriers.
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
only scare is, the moment you are off contract...they can take unlimited from you, and you can do nothing about it.
[HTC Rezound] Bradh024:
It might be a good idea later on to just add more lines. Eat the extra $10/month, and use those upgrades from here on out.
[HTC Rezound] Bradh024:
They'd be contradicting what they clarified on. They said if you buy a phone at full price, you can keep the unlimited. But knowing Verizon, it's inevitable. Eventually everyone will get screwed into their tiered plans. Unfortunately, Verizon is the only carrier that has good reception for me. So I'm just gonna have to bend over and take it, hopefully they have the decency to give me a reach around while their putting it to me.
[HTC Rezound] Snuzzo:
I wonder when they will make this official with an invoice mailer. They have to notify to each customer, if not a breach of contract on THEIR end.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Why would they do that to an off contract customer? They take hits on their stock for reports of declining customers and that off contract customer would just go to another carrier.
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
This might be a blanket statement, but, I think those of you who are pissed off that they might lose unlimited one day are probably single line users, without family plans.

Currently, My wife, daughter, and son and myself have smart phones, and my youngest is about to get one in another year or so.

30*5 = 150 bucks.. JUST on data, let alone the minutes and text messages.

I am the only one who uses data, sure the rest of them use it, but where i am like 5 or 6 GB a month, they are maybe 500mb at most.

i would sure love to get ONE plan that we all share, just like the minutes. We currently have 1400 min shared, and its PLENTY of minutes, especially with the 10 call free numbers.

I have been waiting for something like this for a LONG time (15 year VZW customer).

Do I love my unlimited? You bet I do. I love tethering my laptop and torrenting files while at school, or uploading the entire contents of my phones 30GB sd card ever few weeks to Google Drive and Dropbox.

mostly I just love the fact that I never have to worry about data. But lets get real here...

its rare that i ever exceed 10GB a month, and I have to try to do that. I commute 45 miles one way to campus, and, in traffic, that is up to 2 hours one way, or 4 hours a day. My phone is streaming slacker and netflix the entire time, even doing that 5 days a week i STILL almost never go over 10GB a month, and most of the time its only 5 or 6GB.

I would jump on a 80 dollar a month 10GB family share data plan IN A ****ING HEARBEAT!!! Save 50% on my data plan? YES PLEASE!

for the single guys and kids out there, ya, this might suck a little, but seriously, do you really have to use 5gb+ a month? (ya, i know your going to throw a million and 1 reasons why and how you can use that much and 3x more, you sound like my kids when I ask them why they need yet another new game system :) )

I have been on unlimited data for as long as unlimited data has been available, and I have 4 lines with unlimited data, I know what is at stake here, but honestly, having unlimited data and blowing 5GB + a month is , most of the time, just pure wasteful and unnecessary.

I am as free spirited as the next guy, but there comes a time when you really have to look at the situation with some perspective and ask yourself if you REALLY need to stream pandora 24/7 while downloading pr0n, and tethering 2 laptops....
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
I don't even stream and I hit 40gb a month easy my dad would be pissed at me every month sake with my bro
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
I think you guys are forgetting the trend. Look at Minutes, Texts, MMS, Data. All of these "features" went through a period of unlimited to capped to unlimited again in some way shape or form. LTE is an "evolving" network. The capacity for data speeds is GREATLY higher than what we actually experience right now, I think it is something like 105mb/s. But they have to update servers, fiber, etc etc... We are just seeing updated towers right now, they are just trying to get their upfront cost back down to something manageable. They are going to basically take it out on NEW customers who are coming from lesser networks. Look how far ahead we are of even AT&T. ****, I got LTE here in October, and AT&T isn't slated until early to mid 2013, when you buy a phone and you compare networks you are probably going to make the switch to Verizon, bite the unlimited bullet and count your data, unless you are not a hog. Give it another 3 or 4 and we will all be *****ing about 5G not being 1GB/s lol.

However, I am NOT saying we shouldn't find a way to petition this, because activism is the only way they wont just completely walk all over us.
[HTC Rezound] ksizzle9:
Not calling u out, or a liar(lol really just lucky). I bought my rezound from a guy who had it for 2 days and was dying for my.GNex, we traded then I had a faulty GPS the only way I could actually get them to.give me a new one is simply call him back, trade phones for long enough for him to order replacement and then switch back. They will only warranty phones that YOU buy directly from them. So even.tho my rezound was originally purchased there, and I knew/know most workers and manager by first name they simply could not or would not do that. So it may happen occasionally but I wouldn't.plan for it.
[HTC Rezound] blackhand1001:
Do you have wifi at home. Please use it. 40gb is beyond ridiculous.
[HTC Rezound] LunaticSerenade:
I hate to say this, but this is a valid point. I've begun examining my data use in an effort to see what the impact to me will be.

Because lets be honest, switching to another carrier is not an attractive idea.

I've got three lines, usually the other two users pay their own bill (but I have to pick it up now and then, oh well), so I can see the cost savings.

I just hate changes man! Ugh.
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
I have a super computer(look on G+ Koush has commented on my setup), literally, lol. I barely use 2GB on my phone and I stream music CONSTANTLY on my phone every time I am in one of my cars. I can't stand the radio.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
A). I do have a family plan with two dTa packages, and I wouldn't switch for anything. For me to even consider it I would have to get at least 12gb of data for 60 a month. And I know they won't do that.

B) I almost never tether and I regularly use 6 a Month. So, yes, I do need at least 5gb a month.

C)vzw will charge you 30 for 2 50 for 5 and 80 for 10. Plus I'm sure they will charge a line usage fee, so for you you'll get 10 gb of data on 5 lines for 120 dollars, is 30 dollars worth losing unlimited to you? It's not for me. Heck, I'll end up paying more for less data and I have 4 lines. 2 of which are dumb phones. As I'm not paying for my mother to have data and the forth line will probably go away at then end of its term.

I just really think you are oversimplifying it. If the deal was going to be that good you wouldn't have to worry about forcing people on to tiered data, as the plans would sell themselves. When coercion has to be used there is a reason behind it. That reason will be the lack of benefit of the new plans. If vzw offered me 5 gb of data for 20 a month, I would gladly drop my unlimited data. But I'm not doing it for them same money, that's where the coercion comes in.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
It's not ridiculous anymore! **** 'em, I'm using as much data as I want until they take it away from me.
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
I don't blame you, unless you are bogging down the network near me, lol.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Heh, nah, I'm pretty far from Michigan. I use about 5-6gb a month, never really abused it. Best believe I'm abusing it now!
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
I don't understand what you guys do to use so much. I stream so much music, I am literally in one of my vehicles at least 1-2 hours everyday. I use it on WiFi at home, but when I am out I am always on 4G. I read almost every CNET article every day on my phone, I am always on Facebook/G+/Twitter posting update pics of my basement which I do with WiFi off since I only get 25mb/s on WiFi and 60 on LTE.

For example, my in progress Man Cave:
[HTC Rezound] eriscat:
They replaced my Rezound

I purchased my Rezound on contract from a 3rd party seller. I needed it replaced a couple of months ago and went in to one of the local stores and they had one sent me a new one overnight, no muss no fuss.

It is of course possible I found someone who just listened but I know this particular location has said that if you are within the warranty period, they will still abide by the warranty.

I am thinking that the warranty is actually provided by the phone maker (HTC in the case of the Rezound). So maybe it will be fine to buy 3rd party at least during the warranty period.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
It's pretty easy to burn data. Sense 4 ROM? 600 MB. Crack flash another Sense 4 ROM? You're at 1.2GB already without even thinking about it.
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
See, I DL my roms on my computer and transfer to my phone via usb.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Meh, why bother? Just another step!
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
I double back everything up. I hate losing anything on my phone, lol.
[HTC Rezound] dlochinski:
It was because he wasn't the original purchaser. If you can't proof you bought from an official source i.e. Verizon, Amazon, etc. then all bets are off. Switching back with the guy was the only logical way to circumvent that. It sucks, but that is how warranties work, unless you get the double life-time warranties, which they don't do with phones I believe.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
if you really hit 40gb a month, then what are you doing? Either streaming or tethering (which you should pay extra for if using that much).

I think you just had bad luck. Once the phone is on your acct, I'm not sure they can tell where it came from. I would raise hell, considering I pay for the extra warranty/ insurance if they tried that. I know I've never had problems getting phones exchanged and I haven't bought phones from a carrier in a long time.

It all depends on cost vs benefit. I pay 120/month for data for 4 phones, my wife and I use a good amount of data, the kids barely hit a gb. But if they are going to charge me 100 to share data, might as well keep the unlimited.

Just need to see the prices...
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
I have wifi but 0.02 mbs compared to 20-25mbps I don't like using it
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
No barely any streaming maybe just YouTube and I barely tether only if I really have to.
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
Lol...
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Why is that funny?
[HTC Rezound] tpulu:
It may seem unlikely that you could hit 40 gb "barely streaming" ... 40 gb in a month is a bit excessive....

Edit: after thinking about it, if you download a crapload of Roms to flash, redownload apps,etc.... you could hit 40 gbs lol
[HTC Rezound] Morpheus991:
I just don't want another thing to have to stress about...I average about 7gb a month with barely any streaming and no tethering. I do have about 400 apps though and I'm sure just keeping those updated eats up a lot of it. The ease of mind that comes along with being unlimited is pretty valuable to me. Luckily I love reading the small print on everything (I think of it as a game...). A few years ago I actually got verizon to give me there best phone for free because I wouldn't let up on a defective model. I started out with that stainless steel flip phone (the shine?) and the bluetooth was just faulty in all of them. They gave me an lg dare (big deal at the time) with no strings attached. You just have to be calm, patient, and persistent.

How about the ever elusive hard copy of the Rezounds user guide? HTC said that verizon had it and verizon said that HTC had it. Now I have it. These companies have no morals and need us to keep them in check. Bottom line is that they're usually thinking about short term profits but not long term consequences IMHO. Whatever happened to earning customer loyalty as a means of profit? I know, a rant, I digress.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
I'm happy for you family guys but I pay for unlimited 4G and 4G hot spot. Never giving it up, ever.
[HTC Rezound] WookieFan:
This is my feeling as well. My wife is always pitching for me to move to her unlimited business account and I've always said "no way, I'm not losing my VZW unlimited plan."

I guess Verizon will be making that choice for me.

If I can't activate a 3rd party device on my account after my contract ends and keep unlimited, AT&T here I come.

EDIT: Most importantly, you guys are missing a big reason why VZW is doing this. Each year we are using MUCH more data than the year before. My first unlimited plan was with AT&T with an iPhone and it was a joke how little data I used. That was about 3 years ago. I can now stream HD YouTube videos to my HD phone. My data consumption has increased geometrically.

What happens with these tiered plans two years down the road? Will 5 GB a month be even close to enough data for the average user?

VZW will lose their shirts if they let us keep our unlimited plans...
[HTC Rezound] tCizler:
Also, good luck with their "truly" unlimited plan! A friend I work with has an SG2 and he almost NEVER gets 4G. It's soooo slow. But here's the real kicker, he got a letter in the mail saying Sprint is releasing him from their contract as of May 31st. Reason being - He used too much data!!!! 14GB on 3G and 200MB on 4G. He called Sprint Corporate and they said it's not negotiable. He's done. No warning, just done.

Sounds like a great way to run a phone company...
[HTC Rezound] Marcismo55:
That's a bit scary they can just up and do that. Was his contract almost over?
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
So I've just read that you only lose your unlimited data from now on period if you want to use your upgrade and get your phone discounted.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Never heard of them doing that. I knew they booted people for racking up roaming though.
[HTC Rezound] tCizler:
That's bs too. If they can boot you for too much roaming, then it's not "truly" unlimited. Just because they don't have enough towers to provide reliable service and coverage, it becomes your fault and they can break contact?? Sprint sucks.
[HTC Rezound] Cerealkillah:
The grass will only be greener on another carrier as long as they don't have too many people walking on the lawn (terrible, I know).

The US Cell Carriers have a history of luring people in with pricing/unlimited data plans and once they reach their goal, they have to move to tiered pricing.

I suppose one could keep jumping ship in order to hang on to unlimited data plans, but at some point, you are going to run out of places to jump to.
[HTC Rezound] dragonrazorz:
Only dial up or satelite internet out here...so no wifi, only decent internet is through my cell phone
[HTC Rezound] tCizler:
Not even close, he said he was about 8 months into a 2 year contract

Oh wait, it's worse. He said he has had Sprint for 11 years, he just renewed his contract 8 months ago
[HTC Rezound] chaos254:
Sprint canceled my brother in laws contact for using too much data. Sprint is garbage
[HTC Rezound] Snuzzo:
What if a person has DSL over WiFi and 4G is faster than it by 6 times..... Not so ridiculous then is it. My average has been 30GB on 3G and 60GB on 4G per month ever since getting a data plan/android smartphone.
[HTC Rezound] jmichaels1982:
sometimes

I think that verizon reps are spaming the boards to make sure Protekk, Demadows get so mad and leave so we will never have AOKP

I think they do this because they know once we get it, we will not get suckered into upgrading into their tiered data bull**** and never upgrade again. It will be like the phone for life.

Keeping our unlimited datas is something they hate.

Have you every noticed the absurd amounts of ppl trying to annoy developers on the rezound. every day a new thread about why we dont have cm9 and til working... and protekk gets madder and madder..

It hands down the best hardware, you attach the best software with unlimited 4g and you gotta a device that will bankrupt them.

no really i think that ...
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
One of my coworkers had the same thing happen with Sprint.

They just cancelled him out of the blue, no warning or grace period etc.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
yes it's completely ridiculous to use your smartphone as a home internet connection. But since people can do it, they will do it until no one offers unlimited anymore. Abuse of data is a big reason why this is happening.

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dude, take off the tinfoil hat and put down the bong. Verizon never even tried to sell this phone. There are not a enough rezound users for verizon to care.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
LOL, I was thinking the exact same thing.

I totally agree that data abuse (IE: using your phone for your home internet connection) is what is causing this whole situation. When DB's started posting things like "LOL I used 80 gigs of DATA last month" I knew it was only a matter of time before VZ shut that down.
[HTC Rezound] ruet:
Why is it ridiculous? Is it any more ridiculous than buying a 4G hotspot and using it as a home internet connection? It doesn't matter if your using cable/DSL over wi-fi or 4G straight to your phone; the data you consume is the data you consume. Why is somehow more fair to use your slow and inexpensive DSL connection rather than your fast and expensive 4G connection for the bulk of your data consumption? is that fair to the DSL provider?
[HTC Rezound] jmichaels1982:
What's your Verizon employee Id?

Since when would a company as big as Verizon care for its users to sell them phones that function flawlessly and turn up the least amount of profits ?

And seriously , you need a bong. Chilllll . I'll loan you mine.

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