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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fix-this!:
to anyone considering going to sprint id advise you check out coverage and data issues in your area first. i left them a year ago and the service here is still terrible from what i understand. they may have unlimited everything but it's useless if you cannot utilize it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Its a common misconception that Sprint has "unlimited everything", they throttle too, and then lie on their commercials and say they dont. Plus they charge a "4G" fee if you have a "4G" phone regardless of if you are in a "4G" area, and I'm not talking about LTE, I'm talking about HSPA. My first Android was the Evo right when it came out and I took it back after a couple days. Sprint was more expensive than Att with less reception. VZW is no doubt more expensive than Att but they have immaculate reception.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cipherfx:
Look everyone's situation is different. Some need more data than others. This should be respected. Lets try and stay on topic. This thread is intended for those who want to support the petition and want to stop Verizon from Killing the unlimited data plans, and solutions to this problem. If you don't need that much data then great, this thread probably isn't for you and you shouldn't be trolling in it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
You mean some need more data but dont want to pay for it? For the most part the posts I have seen have been on topic. Just because some of our opinions are different than yours does not mean anybody is trolling. We are discussing the unlimited data possibly going away and how that will affect us and what we can/can't/should/shouldn't do - solutions to this problem.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rboone18:
I would probably make sure everyone has upgraded to lte phones and have their unlimited data might take longer before vz kills it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
....what?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I think he is saying that because some sites are speculating you will have to ditch unlimited only when upgrading to an LTE device, that if you upgrade to LTE before the change is put into place that you wont lose unlimited this time around.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
In your posts before, I would have said "I'd love to agree with you, but then we would both be wrong." You're more reasonable in this statement, though. Earlier, you adamantly claimed that VZW was not in the wrong here. Service has only gotten better and the poor telecom company is not making that much money and is the victim of unreasonable demands. Well, service has actually gotten worse in the DC metro area even with their expansions. I'm only going to take the easy swipe at VZW by going so far as to say that 'it is absolute **** on my Nexus and they need to refund some of my data plan if they are going to be like this' for grins.

I'm more than happy to pay for the data I use but when I signed on, it was unlimited or nothing. Do I think it's reasonable for my husband to have to pay $30 for his plan when he barely breaks a gig? No, but that's what he signed on for. I looked at their tiered data plans and they still screw people who don't use that much data. I thought the promotion for 4gb was a decent deal. If I can't come to terms with them on the price I pay for the (dis)service that I get, I'll dump them. If another carrier can't make it happen, this isn't something I can't live without.

For those of you laughing "go to At&t, they suck anyway." VZW sucks for me and if I can pay less to be just as annoyed, guess who's getting kicked to the curb?

I'm not signing the petition, I'm writing their management a letter detailing everything they've done to tell me that they don't want my business anymore from the launch and support of the Xoom to the issues with the Nexus (yeah, I get it about those who make ROMs and kernels but I gave VZW my money for a phone that could keep a sustained data connection. Hell, if they couldn't do it, they should have just said so given me bigger discount on the phone and I would have given the rest to Adrenalyne for what I wanted because it looks like he made something that fits the bill.

Bottom line is that I don't mind paying for stuff. I just hate getting ripped off.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GoogleAndroid:
Exactly. They are not hurting for money, they are being greedy and demanding more of it. I used 11 gigs of data just last month. I just bought my mom the Razr for mother's day, and she's already using a good bit of data. A shared data plan wouldn't work for us. We've been loyal Verizon customers for years, and it feels like Verizon is giving all of their customers a gigantic middle finger. None of the other carriers are that much better. Carriers in the US are getting out of control.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I dont think they are in the wrong, but that is a pretty dramatic interpretation, I definitively dont feel like "the poor telecom company is not making that much money and is the victim of unreasonable demands." I'm empathetic to your story, regretful that your service is not satisfactory, and hopeful that you will find a better option on your area. I agree you should send a letter, a letter will get you farther than an email, but how far is to be determined. Who knows though, between you and your husband and your tablet you may come out ahead with the data share plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
This.

Also, data rates are so high because of Unlimited users. I have unlimited, but I use somewhere around 1GB a month on a strong month. The problem is there are Unlimited users using 50-300GB per month, ruining the curve. Data costs are so high for consumers because of people like that screwing up the average.

Moving to a tiered plan could actually bring us savings. Plus, I'd love to pay for a 5GB plan and share it between my phone, tablet, and WiFi hotspot - All for $50/month.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
So far the lowest level tiered plan brings no price savings. I don't expect that to change. It doesn't take extravagant use to jump over their lowest tier as well. You can use upwards of 80+mb for an hour of streaming. I go for a walk/jog each morning. I do this 5 days a week. Look how it adds up, and I am only using Google Music. God forbid I watch a single Netflix movie, browse the web, or use YouTube in addition to that.

I think you are mislead with the reason data prices are high. Data prices are high, because companies know people will pay for their crack. Providers are the dealers, and we are the little crackwhores.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
And we love being crack whores but don't want to admit how much we suck for digital crack. :banghead:

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] FruitBowlMafia:
Epic Fail

Epic Fail
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] danielkuhlman:
I won't sign the petition. More than likely, it'll solve nothing. At&t customers had a petition, that got them real far. Like arbiter said, you've got to hit them where it hurts. That is, you've got to hit them in their dump truck wallets. Here I come, prepay.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
It will definitely do nothing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diver47591:
Spoken like a true company man.

---------- Post added at 05:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:19 PM ----------

Spoken like a true company man.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
its not a 4g fee, its a you want a cool phone fee, I used to love sprint would get a steady 1mpbs from them and that was good enough for my needs, but that god damn ten dollar fee plus they charge you forty bucks to activate phones. I was rather confused since best buy activated it and did not see a forty dollar value from that, plus since Hesse been all like " in the future we will make more money off iphone customers" has me done

The only draw back from verizon is Everyone uses it. I couldnt count the times tailgating at an eagles game and my buddy on verizon couldnt do a god damn thing since so many verizon users were in the area.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] danielkuhlman:
I've got it. I'm going to build a portable cell tower that I can carry on my back. Perfect signal wherever I go, unlimited everything, and moderate-severe scoliosis.

Backs are for ******* anyways.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
I hope so, but someone mentioned earlier that there really hasn't been much of savings on the lowest end of the tier. Their prices for MIFI and USB adapters are pretty bad. I thought the letter might be better, too. Who knows? Maybe a wireless timeout might keep me from getting sunburned again this summer (spf 70 doesn't do much good when you have extra batteries.) :o
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kichard:
f@ck the petition. My 2 years will lead to unlocked, cheaper, faster, thinner phones.

Its been a bad relationship vzw.

Can't wait to say goodbye.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] M3TR1C:
Signed. If it helps.

Since like mentioned its a breach of contract I might as well head over to T-Mobile if all else fails. I use my phone for everything. Living out in the country you don't get high speed so no way am i getting away from a unlimited plan
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] msedek:
+ 500 :D

Galaxy Nexus AOKP m5 Franco kernel m3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] razgriz08:
Signed. People need to take a stand.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Then leave Verizon. Signing this petition really isn't going to do anything.

As I noted in the other thread, Verizon has yet to implement this policy. They clearly stated several times that they won't start doing this until they begin offering their "shared data plans". It is not at all surprising that they allowed this, as I suspect they will all the way up to the day they implement the new plans.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chaotic Peace:
I doubt this petition will help much but I signed it anyway. Never hurts :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JoeSyr:
Personally I'm in favor of grandfathered anything getting nixed, so long as it gets people voting with their wallets and not just ponying up and complaining about how expensive service is.

These pricing structures strike me as ridiculous on all fronts and having a large portion of the consumer base sitting on a deal is probably nice for Verizon retaining customers, but maybe having more people actually choosing from their offerings will lead to more sensible ones. It's the high floor that bothers me personally, I'd rather pay less and use less, since right now I'm paying more and never in danger of hitting my cap.

I'm inclined to think this is all marketing, and Verizon's operating costs aren't really in danger of bringing them down. But if the provider actually needs to balance their operating costs then I'm all for kicking out the heavy users who abuse their bandwidth at the same price they're currently charging me with a cap.

Until I see some activism to bring back unlimited data at the same price for the rest of us, I have no sympathy for you greedy unlimited squatters ;) Out with the lot of you, bah.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] masully84:
Not signing, this thread should be closed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SocialReject:
Perfect time to get out of your contract.

Sent from the future.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bobsbbq:
Many people in America are blind to the rising cost and contracts. If people would just open there eyes and see the way to make a difference is to walk your business over to a prepaid account. And if enough people do it you can bet you will get the attention of even the big guys.

I lived in Asia for 9 years and everybody has prepaid and believe it or not you get used to it after a while and you know when you get a new device you have to pay for it out right. But you also know there is no contract and that you can stop paying tomorrow if you want.

I had a Verizon Nexus, my wife bought it for me for Christmas but due to me being out of town I was out of the 14 day return period. I kept it a few months then when the google Play Nexus came out I sold it in one day and switched to prepaid. I will never go back. My wife also is on prepaid and we love it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iBustCh3rries:
Petitions almost never work, but good luck to you guys
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] h2bmess:
signed..this is bs
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Panzerapple:
I have had unlimited data for five years it was customers like me that paid our bills each month to help build the network up. It sucks that you did not get on the smartphone bandwagon earlier or chose not to pay the premium price of Vzw sooner. Yes I do feel a little sense of entitlement. At the end of the day a customer of twelve years should be treated differently.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Lol. I bet you're serious too.

...of the people, by the people, for the people...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well tough ****. They don't owe you anything lol. You're a customer, not a shareholder. They had plenty of money to build their network without you.

Sorry to come off kinda rude but really, you're not entitled to anything just because you've been a customer for a long time. Sure, it'd be a nice gesture for them to reward your (pretty much forced) loyalty, but when it comes down to it they can change their plans and service any time, regardless of what long-time customers think.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] evolving:
Verizon ain't gonna budge on this,signing a petition for a 2 dollar fee is worlds apart from data and how they disperse it.I do agree it's not ideal but what is anymore..sprint is but look up all the gripes for bad service and their upcoming revisions have yet to be seen as far as first hand goes.there is no win win.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
That or you could turn homeless people into 4g hotspots.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/12/technology/homeless-hotspots/index.htm

Sent via Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
That is American ingenuity at its finest!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iGoogleNexus:
Verizon wireless says you can keep your Unlimited data BUT you will have to pay full price for your phones

http://androinica.com/2012/05/verizon-unlimited-data-plan/

- Google
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
Seems like a fair trade to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] masully84:
Yes it is, no matter what, people will still ***** about it. Entitled to this or that blah blah blah. Hey I wanted the Galaxy Nexus but I wasn't paying full price for it, so I upgraded after 20 months. So I got a tiered plan now. My line is only $45 a month with the shared plan I'm on. If you know how to work the bill tiered plans aren't bad folks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] WookieFan:
Signed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] a.mcdear:
Signed. I'm a Rezound user but thanks for organizing this petition for all us VZW Unlimited customers!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iGoogleNexus:
e.e u can stop the petition signing.... they aren't taking Unlimited away from customers...

- Google
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] masully84:
VZW isn't stupid, it would cost consumers more money to buy full price phones to keep the unlimited data plan. The joke is on them
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xplanowestx:
Signed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ickwonder:
I'm not on the unlimited plan....but F this....signed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xclusiv8:
Wow, I feel sorry for you Americans and the weird system over there. Here in Sweden i pay 15usd for unlimited data, 3000 sms and 3000 minutes /month. I also understand you guys have to pay for receiving sms. That's just crazy.

Skickat från min Galaxy Nexus via Tapatalk 2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
Going to sign for what's its worth. This isn't a question of greed necessarily, but rather spectrum control. Don't forget, Verizon is a business. If they are losing money because unlimited users (like myself) are living the high life using up all the interwebs than this is perfectly justified. I'd rather be on tiered 4gb than throttled to hell.

And personally, I'm barely using a gb/month.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yep. Our carriers are retarded.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
They aren't losing money though. They just want...more.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cybie257:
The BEST action people can take is to QUIT buying phones when they bring out plans people don't want. Yeah, the $2.00 fee was won over by making noise. But, that was a $2 , Not worth the time, fee.

Tiered plans are around because people still flock to the stores and buy phones with the tiered plans. They will never go away until people quit buying and even cancel any and all tiered data plans.

This new thing will stick around. Why? It make money for Verizon, and people will still flock to the stores and buy buy buy....

That's all their really is to it, unfortunately.

-Cybie
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] danielkuhlman:
I read a couple days ago that they throttle the top 5% of data users. Like AT&T, however at&t throttles after 2 gigs for the rest of the bill cycle, no matter if their network is "congested" or not.

Verizon supposedly only throttles when their network is being slammed and stops once their network clears up.

Throttling is kind of a joke regardless, but at least big red customers aren't getting ****ed as hard as AT&T customers (if this is all true. Need to look into it more to be sure)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] idkwhothatis123:
The petition had absolutely nothing to do with why vzw dropped the $2 fee. The FCC was breathing down there necks about it and vzw backed off. Upgrade fees are at least charged everywhere. Nothing for the FCC to get pissed about. Same with the data plan. Everyone minus sprint. Petition won't help. Have fun hippies.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I doubt the petition will work, but I will stand with the hippies before I join those who bend over and grab their ankles.

Just sayin'.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kratz17:
SIGNED. :eek:

Sent From My Sense ? Business ReZound:cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kratz17:
Lol but true story my friend a 100% with you.

Sent From My Sense ? Business ReZound:cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jbadboy2007:
Good luck with this. That's why sprint exists.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CharliesTheMan:
I signed it for adrynalyne, he's actually the only reason I have a Verizon phone, him and Team BAMF. I already had another phone with another carrier, I signed up with Verizon for the sole purpose of having the baddest software around on my phone and being part of the BAMF atmosphere. They made me fall in love with android, and I think carriers should find another solution than taking unlimited from everyone that's closer to reasonable data usage for the Android developers who tether to upload roms which sell Verizon phones to people like me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chancy319:
Want to protest Verizon? Stop buying into contracts. Go prepaid. Make the carriers a dumb pipe.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tehgyb:
Who uses more than 4GB anyway? And if you do, then you should pay for the extra you use, lte build out isn't cheap... 50k per tower to outfit it with lte, that doesn't include operating costs, and there are a s***

Ton of towers

Btw, the family share tiered data will be awesome ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mayban00b:
The Reality

Yes, I use a lot of data, around 20GB+ per month. But if I want to stream Netflix, Google Music, Navigation, and articles on Pulse, I will. Unlimited data was meant to bring people in temporarily, but never thought of as a permanent solution, right now at least.

Here's the real reason why Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile (1G after 7GB), want to tier plans. The infrastructure is simply not there to support unlimited data plans on mobile devices for everybody. Unfortunately, each company has a Shaffsmo of their own who earns a large sum from stocks, options, payroll, etc. But at the same time, each and every network has not distributed a fully functional network of antennas and towers.

This all means that there may, at times, be hundreds - thousands of people connecting to the same tower/antenna as opposed to them connecting to a more distributed network of antennas and towers. My area alone has just 1 tower that I have clocked to see more than 2,000 people connect to at once. Thankfully, mostly 3G phones.

If the cell carriers can deploy more infrastructure, ie more antennas and towers connected to their hubs via fiber, unlimited can indeed be offered again. As opposed to creating a single centralized antenna/tower location, carriers would need to put up antennas on streetlights and buildings to provide for the customers needs.

They have been using 2G standards for data usage and are now in the "4G" era. I put in quotes because real 4G is 1GBps stationary, 100MBps in transit. even though we are in a 3.3G era for distributed data networks, carriers have been reluctant to deploy their ipv6 networks "until further testing" which honestly, from a VZ tech's inside view was "figuring out how to give them more than what they originally had, but well below our capacity". Yeah. From the mouth of a Verizon network engineer re-wiring an antenna by my house.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
The thing is, currently Verizon is not being 'hurt' by unlimited data users. There can never be any more than there currently is, so it doesn't really make sense for anyone to think that it will become a problem in the future if it isn't one already.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shahm0nsterr:
I watched a single movie on Netflix last night on my Nexus. It ate up 2.5gb of data. Verizon touts streaming music and video in their ads, and preinstalls apps that do so on their phones. (not the Nexus, but all other Droid devices) 4gb is going to be a joke in the years to come, especially when Verizon advertises "stream hd anywhere!" in their ads.

I'm all for family plans, I think they're a great idea. I just hope Verizon will increase their data limits to keep up with the times.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PatrickVas:
Agreed with something that was said above. If you're gonna make streaming so difficult on your data plan, you should stop advertising it all over the place. It's ridiculous, that's why from now on (with the recent help of the Play Store) I'm staying away from contracts! So not worth it anymore, we get more to choose from with prepaid. Hopefully google keeps offering Nexuses unlocked for good!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
Are you saying that because you plan on bogarting your spouse's data?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sbrownla:
So you unlimited folks can continue to brag about how grandfathered in you are, and how much it sucks that the rest of us have to pay for the small pittance of data we use?

Nah. You guys have got this one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kane5581:
Go ahead tier the data, but if I am paying for 4gb I want 4gb if I use 3.5 in a month I expect to have 4.5 next month. This way the people who actually do abuse it pay more while the people that don't abuse it do not, and they can still enjoy a little extra banked data when they go on a trip or something.

Verizon has 2 options to continue my business, keep it as it is with such subsidized phones and unlimited or actually give me the data I pay for and roll it over to the next month. Oh yeah and 4gb minimum for the same price or less im not going from unlimited to 2gb and paying the same amount.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MarkGbe:
eh.. who cares... I love Verizon.... ill gladly pay a bit of a premium for excellent service. If they get too expensive, ill move to another carrier. Stop the whining!

I created a petition to STOP THE WHINING. Anyone care to sign?

http://www.change.org/petitions/whining-stop-the-whining

:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] khukman:
I spoke with a Verizon CSR. The way that it looks, once the "Shared Data Plans" come out this summer, unlimited data plans will go away. However, there is a caveat, if you either keep the same phone that you currently have, or buy a used phone, or pay full retail for your phone, you can keep your unlimited data. It is ONLY if you get a SUBSIDIZED phone that they will put you on a limited plan. So, if you use Craigslist or eBay to get your phone, and pay a little more, you can still keep your unlimited data. I am actually shocked that they are keeping this going at all...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wyattyoss:
I need to drive to the city to get connected to LTE so I can download THE WHOLE INTERNET while I have unlimited...no, but Verizon has already cut off new unlimited users, so why does it bother VZW? We're already being charged ridiculously, we deserve to at least keep this.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
signed.