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[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
It has nothing to do with douchebags and everything to do with Verizon wanting more profit. For every unlimited user who downloads 20 gigs there are 5 users who use less than a gig. Like most of the people on my family plan.
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
You think Verizon really cares if you use 40GB? Hardly.

Only because someone will complain that their data is slowing because of said people and that brings bad press which no company wants.

Verizon wants tiered data so they can nickel and dime the people who go over their limits and in turn, make profit.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Yeah, the notion that I should give a **** about a corporation that's extracting cash from us at an egregious rate, and posting a $3.91 billion profit in the first quarter alone is absurd.

They want to make more money off of us. It's not like poor Verizon is going broke because us mean unlimited data users are putting them in the poor house by downloading of gigs and gigs of porn. No, they're making plenty of profit. But they want more more and more and more profit.

**** 'em.
[HTC Rezound] Cares:
Everything is about more money. They couldn't care less if you used 1TB of data as long as you paid for it (via tiered pricing).
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Yep. Verizon doesn't give a **** about me, why should I give a **** about them?

People seem to think we have some sort of ethical obligation to be temperate in our data use. Never, ever understood that.
[HTC Rezound] ilprobu2:
Anyone heard what date this all plans to start

newly rezounded idea
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
I damn sure don't. I pay for unlimited so you can bet I'm not using 8 gb a month. And I pay for unlimited 4G hot spot.
[HTC Rezound] blackhand1001:
Jeez those roms for sense are huge now. Aosp rooms for the nexus are like 100mb or less and sense roms for my incredible were like 200-300. Sense definitely has gotten bloated.
[HTC Rezound] fix-this!:
looks as ill have to weigh my options next summer when my contract is up with verizon. IF sprint fixes their **** network ill go back there. if not we will move to t-mobile.
[HTC Rezound] LunaticSerenade:
You know what I realized? On my Incredible, I used my WiFi all the time because it is waaaaaaaaaaay faster than 3G. I don't know because I'm lazy and 4G is fast enough, but my WiFi is still faster most of the time.
[HTC Rezound] Jason L:
I will miss my unlimited data :/
[HTC Rezound] jmichaels1982:
The data thing

It has been stated again and again; since the integration of 4g and 3g and smart phones that their profits have been plummeting.

Think about it. I have unlimited data and google voice, every one texts me on gvoice. I use skype and gtalk to call everyone.

I lowered my text and my minutes to the bear minimum

Add to that, the fact the we no longer buy their 2 dollar ring tones and wallpapers.

People wake up and smell coffee, use the data while you have it, stop being so naive and believe what they are saying on the media to convince people that their greed is justified.

The sad part is we have their puppets all over their forums being decent with a company that wants nothing but to nickel and dime us. So many lil puppets fal for this hypocritical bs. They are the same people that vote based on political campaigns .

My God i really do sound like a conspiracy theorist.
[HTC Rezound] LunaticSerenade:
I was going to say soothsayer lol.

Its basically true. But we have to roll with the punches, or change carriers.

Still not sure what I will do...
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I know what I'll do. I'll either pay full price for the phone, or I'll move to Tmo or a local regional carrier. (cricket or something.) If those aren't viable, then I'll just stick with dumbphones again and use my old phones as mini tabs or PMP's. I REFUSE to pay 30 dollars a month for anything less than 10-12 GB of data. That's only reasonable since I payed their for their BS 30 dollar data plan most of the others out there. Let their new turdPhone customers pay for the usage they are new screwing us for. It's not my fault they got the iTurd.
[HTC Rezound] survivalist9167:
Screw verizon. Im locked in until late 2013 and im am going to suck as much bandwidth out of them as possible. I drive all day at work.. So ill run netflix 8 hrs straight. Not watch them, just turn on a movie and put it in the cupholder and go about my day.

Leta see if i can go over a TB..
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Honestly, I don't see how this "i'm going to use as much data as possible" screws them? It might cost them a few more dollars a month, but you are just screwing us all over. Listen too other, call and write emails. Tell them you are leaving, as a long time customer, if they pull this garbage. that's the only thing that is going to stop, or delay this move. Not sucking down as much bandwidth as possible. I do agree, screw VZW, but screw them with your business. JMO.
[HTC Rezound] tonictonic:
Verizon couldn't give a rat's ass about heavy data users. I'm not a heavy user, but I really like unlimited because it's just one thing less to worry about. I can go as little as 200 mb one month, then hit 6 gb the next month. My average is about 2~3 gb a month and I've hit over 5 gb only three times in all of 2011, and yet with this tiered plan I would have paid more for my data than someone who consistently uses 4.9 gb a month.

If Verizon were to justify their caps with AVERAGE usage over, let's say a year, then yeah maybe I can believe them. It would also work out better for light users like me. Otherwise I don't buy the argument that heavy users are what's the problem. It's probably more to do with Verizon preparing for the iphone 5 since they know damn well that iphone fanatics will pay anything to have what has become more of a status symbol than a product of innovation.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
It costs them 5 dollars a gigabyte. They'll get the message pretty quickly.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
That's exactly what it is. If you notice, if you have been a long time customer, verizon started kneecapping us once they got the iTurd. Honestly, the long time customers, such as myself, would have been happier if they had never gotten the iPos. We've lost NE2, Unlimited data, and now they are kicking customers OFF grandfathered unlimited data to pay apples fing subsidies. I say jack the data plans up on the iphones and let the apple tards pay for the abusing of the network.

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Isn't that just Evdo? I was to the understanding that LTE was significantly cheaper per GB than 3g. I was to the understanding, IIRC, that LTE was nearing 1 dollar a GB, or something like that. Not to mention, if you rack up the data charges, IIRC, it states in your contract that they can throttle you. Again, I could be wrong, I'm just going off what I believe I read about LTE, etc.
[HTC Rezound] survivalist9167:
I hear ya, but they dont care if we leave. They want us to leave... They want to keep the highschool kids checking their Facebook like crack every 5 minutes, or people using the device for email and the occasional mms... The people like my wife that use MB's per month. Not GB's.

Im so annoyed by this i was last night considering making a switch now. Lower my account to lowest plan, and pay that with the savings from sprint.

Dont for a minute think they care about us. They are a mega corporation out for $. And thats all they want.
[HTC Rezound] Watercycle:
I must say my sentiment is this was probably brought on by that special 1/5'th category that decides to absolutely abuse their unlimited data

but also for the iPhone of course

I can't really threaten business elsewhere with 5 people on the family plan haha, so a pleading email is the only hope =o

and if not there's always the bandwidth drain(but I hope everyone who suggests that realizes to only do that once the battle is doomed)
[HTC Rezound] survivalist9167:
Sorry to say, its already doomed bro... Just a slow death.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I never said they care about us, but they do care about our dollars. As do investors, and if they have a mass exodus of customers then that will worry investors and their stock will plummet. Then we, the customer, will have VZW's attn. But it requires us as customers to act. As VZW can't survive with customers. No company could. Also, you mention kids that just check their FB. Well, my wife only uses 7-800 mb a month. I use 5-6 on average. But I refuse to worry about overages on something that I have never had to before. So for every 5-6 GB user, there is 10-12 1 gb users.
[HTC Rezound] survivalist9167:
Just out of curiosity, anyone ever heard of verizon canceling or allowing free cancelation on large data usage accounts?
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Yeah, it's lost. A pleading email isn't going to change a thing.
[HTC Rezound] survivalist9167:
I hear ya. I usually do about 5 or 6 myself. Have gone as high as 20ish and low as 2. Not having to check and worry about it is the win.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
Of course pleading emails won't. They have to be threatening. Not threats of violence, but threats of leaving for another service. And it can't be hollow threats.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
I haven't, and given the numbers people here throw around, if they were going to they'd do it to people here.
[HTC Rezound] survivalist9167:
Sprint rolling out LTE near me.. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1661158

Looking more and more like time to part ways with verizon...
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
Lol, if anything that kind of stuff will speed up the install of the tiered data.....
[HTC Rezound] Nappyloxs:
So no news on a cutoff date? I have two phones eligible for an upgrade. Depending on the new plan will need to upgrade soon. I really don't wanna give up unlimited, but maybe they will make it a fair deal. We have 4 lines with data =$120 per month.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
The wireless bandwidth you consume is more limited than a wired connection. If cable Internet needs more bandwidth they add more lines, wireless can't do that. I don't know how true the spectrum crunch is, but it is a limited resource.

Not a Verizon employee but apparently more level headed than you.

You have a choice for your wireless

Carrier. No one is making you stay.

Hope you are not a power data user. Sprint likes to terminate contracts of those people.

I'm nobody's puppet, just realistic.

T mobile has horrible building penetration, same with wimax on sprint. Last time I looked into at & t they wanted about 30 more a month than Verizon and thry had already phased out unlimited data.

No news yet, probable will be at least a month. Curious about the actual prices as well.
[HTC Rezound] jdk2:
I think you're the type of customer VZW and AT&T have in mind when they speak of data sharing. You're likely to see a reduction in your bill if you choose a plan that allows all of your lines to share an appropriate amount of data. The keyword here is appropriate. What you find acceptable may not be even remotely possible with some of the users here.

I'm on a single line plan and abhor the thought of losing unlimited data. I can't begin to think how I and the rest of us in this sinking ship will fare.
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
I have no doubt they will follow their current pricing structure, which is 2 gb for 30 bucks. They contend that only the top "1%" use more than 1 gb a month. So it will follow their current pricing structure of 30,50,80 for 2/5/10, plus knowing good ol VZW and how they have been acting as of late there will probably be a line access fee of 10 bucks for each extra line that has "access" to that data plan. I will be shock if they offer more data than this at launch of their BS "family share data".
[HTC Rezound] snowman122:
Man yall don't use bandwidth at all I used 167 gb last month and 100 before that I stream way too much YouTube and netflix to my phone I can't live without unlimited if these plans come in effect which I seriously doubt I'm switching company's
[HTC Rezound] 1454:
How do you have that much free time on your hands? I watched probably 20 hours, maybe more, of netflix/hulu last month on my phone and still only hit 5.5gb? I'm not trying to be a ****, but really? I watch two season of psych in April and only hit 7. You're obviously tethering and whatnot.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
I can't stop loling at so many of these comments.
[HTC Rezound] gal419:
That's not true at all. I recently bought a Droid X2 on ebay and Verizon gave me a warranty knowing full well where I bought it and I just recently replaced that with a Rezound from guess where and guess what the warranty carried over to that too.
[HTC Rezound] Nappyloxs:
Trust me, I much rather have unlimited, but we all knew this was coming one day. My gf has tmo and their "unlimited" plan, yet after 2gb she has no internet. Yeah technically she does but it takes forever to do anything.

I have been with Verizon for 12 years, family plan for 8 or so, I am just not into getting my own "individual plan." Like you said there shared plan needs to be appropraite. I doubt it will be. The 2gb for 30 = 8 gb for my fam of 4. I easily go over 2gb a month (not more than 3-4). May be time to consider sprint as they are really the only ones left with true unlimited.

Trust me I agree with you, it is crap, especially for individual plan. 2gb isn't enough for anyone who even just stream music at work.

You may want to upgrade to a family plan for 10 extra and chalk it as sprints 4g fee. Just a thought.

One previous post mentioned how google and apple is making everything cloud based. Screwed up thing is that they don't provide ways to access it. Cable companies and cell companies do. So they jack up the rates. Same model as tv channels. Until google (or facebook) decides it wants to get into the telecommunication business, we are subject to Verizon and comcrap. (in my case)
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
If you can still buy phones off contract and not lose unlimited data it shouldn't be a big deal. I don't get it? Or did I miss something from the OP?
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Which company are

going to? At & t unlimited is gone, t mobile throttles you at either 2 or 5gb, depending on your plan and that is dial up speed. And sprint would boot you for excessive use.

Yeah, just going to buy my phones on CL or ebay.
[HTC Rezound] Caladus:
What about phones that are already paid for? As in my Rezound is subsidized at the moment, but if I upgrade and gift my phone to someone who has 3G right now but wants to go to 4G will they keep their unlimited data?

EDIT : Oh, and I used 250 Gigs plus last month. And for several months prior. Just sayin'.
[HTC Rezound] Watercycle:
dang haha, 3 people with smartphones on 5 person family plan and we don't even go over a GB on almost every occasion (excluding this time since I downloaded the ruu and pokemon rom on 4g hehe)

heck if we can get a shared 4gb plan for the same price or cheaper tiered data is fine by me; how the **** do people go over 5gb or 20gb, that's outrageous :eek:

me and my brother are on youtube/the browser quite a bit to...

i was frightful at first because i've seen quite a few overage bills and they aren't pretty
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
What if I get an upgrade on someone's line that doesn't have unlimited would I still be able to just transfer over and still have unlimited on my line
[HTC Rezound] voxigenboy:
im assuming you mean to 'upgrade' his line, as in, getting a new phone?

if so... and you 2 were to simply "swap" phones, then yes, you would still keep your unlimited.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Yeah I don't know though then that line would be locked in for another 2 years crap I think I'm just gonna buy phones out right until I can afford it then go to a cheeper carrier with better plans. I'm really hoping google rehashes that idea to launch there own network I would love them forever (I already do but I would love them more)
[HTC Rezound] graymonkey44:
What I wanna know is if Verizon is going to give long time customers or people losing their unlimited data an incentive. I don't know if they're still offering the 4 GB plan, but we better at least get 4 GB, if not more for the same price. I wanna know how people on individual plans will be affected by this, too.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
The 4gig plan is still in effect.
[HTC Rezound] :
To go from unlimited data to 4gb would be an incentive? HaHa!!!!

No way, an incentive would be 10gb......
[HTC Rezound] graymonkey44:
I'm pretty sure I never said that.
[HTC Rezound] kodiak799:
They just want to eliminate the subsidies. It takes them almost a year to make their money back on the phone subsidy (just using the data portion of the bill).

They're banking on people eating $350 over 2 yrs to hang on to their unlimited plans. And for 95% of users that's probably an irrational choice because 4gigs is plenty if you're not stupid about it (i.e. you don't actually have to d/l a 600meg Sense rom directly to your phone).

The Rezound is a beast. Once we get the RIL nailed down I'm not sure I'll really need a new phone any time soon. At least not until they come out with one that really and truly can replace my laptop.

I lmao at people using ridiculous amounts of data. How in the world did you survive without your smartphone even just 2 years ago? You use that data because you can, not because you need to. It's MOBILE data, not broadband replacement.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
So a lot of you guys don't have internet access other than your phone?
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Yep pretty much here's some speed test of my WiFi vs 4G
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
Dang that's dial up. I'd use data too lol
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I agree 100%.

This is the first phone I have ever been 100% happy with. I recently bought two spare rezounds to keep me going a while.
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Or we're outside. I'm using my phone with high speed on the go. It's a convenience I pay for. :D

Of course we use it because we can. Wth are we paying for it for then? Did I miss a memo when I was told use data only when needed? Or did I buy a plan called unlimited access to my data? I swear some of you people say the oddest things on xda.

"Hahaha, you using the data you pay for? Don't you know all the cool kids are using 2gb of their unlimited? Frikking losers. "

:confused:
[HTC Rezound] tonictonic:
Yeah that's the real kicker right there, the push to use more data by relying on the cloud. It's partly the reason why Google is pushing for devices to NOT use microSD cards. Now my DSL has a cap, and possibly my wireless, and I'm thinking, WTF??? I have a 30 GB dropbox account and I only keep my school work on there which comes out to < 1gb. Like hell I'm going to waste my bandwidth when it's become way more important to me than cloud services.
[HTC Rezound] kodiak799:
No, you're getting a good deal and now you're complaining the free ride is coming to an end. I'm not faulting you for using your data, but I think there's a large novelty effect that won't be missed. When I'm at home, I'm on my laptop on broadband. I really don't get what possesses people to want to watch hours of video on a tiny 4.5" screen, but to each their own.

These idle threats over leaving the "greedy" VZW have been going on for at least the few years I've owned a smartphone. Hardly anybody leaves, because VZW is the best game in town and still the best value.

When push comes to shove, most of these people will easily just shift usage back to laptops and broadband without hardly any inconvenience. Like I said, everyone managed just fine without only a few years ago. Gee, leave VZW....or pay an extra $300 for a new phone...or just stop downloading torrents on your phone. It will be neither a difficult nor painful choice to make for 99% of customers.
[HTC Rezound] dragonrazorz:
Nope, no internet besides on my phone :( unless we want dial up 0_0
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
So you watch movies outside on your phone? To each their own.

It doesn't sound like Verizon is forcing people off of unlimited yet, just making it difficult too keep it. Hopefully they won't ever charge for streaming like some other service providers I know. They give a 30 minute allowance and to get unlimited stream it costs an extra 20 or 30 a month. And the network down here that does it is COMPLETE trash now lol.
[HTC Rezound] kingpin003:
This x1000.

When I used to do CS for Verizon, I would bring this up constantly after unlimited was grandfathered. When the unlimited plans were offered it was because there were no services to abuse it to the tune of 10+ gigs. It didn't financially hurt Verizon because blackberries were the thing and they used hardly any data. Look back even 2 years ago. No popular streaming music, no mobile netflix, no facebook apps, no dropbox or cloud services. These are all mainstream now and though usage has increased drastically, the cost of the plan has not changed. It was a great deal but data usage is increasing too quickly for it to be offered profitably. And it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that VZW it attempting to make changes to be more profitable- that's what corporations do.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Wrong. A consumer has to use 6+ gigabytes for Verizon to come close to losing money, something the majority of unlimited users don't do.
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
They want to get rid of unlimited data? Fine.

But make prices for data more acceptable.

I won't be sticking around with Verizon in 2 years when my current contract expires unless no one else by then steps up their game or the above happens.

Because if people are only costing money if they go over 6GB+ according to the above poster, then Verizon should have no reason to lose their unlimited data, just a way to get more overage fees because I have to imagine no more than 1/100 probably go anywhere near 5GB.
[HTC Rezound] kingpin003:
And you know this how? If it wasn't costing them money, unlimited would still be available on at least one of the major carriers. AT&T eliminated it before VZW did, Tmo throttles, sprint has overage on data usage over 350MB while roaming and if you read quotes from their CEO they may not offer it much longer either. I'm suspecting it'll happen within the next year. They already eliminated it for their Mobile broadband without grandfathering it.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Because we know it costs them 5 dollars or less per gigabyte transmitted, and we know, because Verizon says so, that only the top 5% use more than 2 gigabytes. Do the math. It's not very difficult math. If it takes 6 gigabytes for them to incur a loss (30 dollars for data/5 dollars/gb=6gb), and 95% of users use 2gb or less, well, I'll let you work it out.

They're raking in cash on unlimited plans, but they know they can make even more profit on tiered plans.

Think about it like this--if you are on a 2GB plan, which they charge you 30 dollars for, they are making a profit of 20 dollars, just on data. That's obscene. But if you're on unlimited, there's a chance you'll use more, which might mean they only make 15 dollars profit on you that month. So they want to ensure they make 20 dollars per user, per month. Pretty straight forward.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
anyone who thinks its justified for verizon to screw their loyal customers out of unlimited is insanely stupid
[HTC Rezound] kingpin003:
I wish the math was that simple... And that's ignoring the assumption that it's <$5 per gigabyte.

Also, VZW only claims 5% of data users(that includes Blackberries and people with basic phone data plans) use more than 2gb. The percentage of unlimited plan users who use enough to cost VZW money is higher.

So yeah, they do make more profit on tiered data plans, because it keeps everyone and their brother from streaming netflix to their phone constantly because they're paying for it instead of verizon.