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[Thunderbolt General] JHMerriman:
Ok, follow my logic here...

Iphone comes out. ATT has unlimited data, ATT carries Iphone, stops unlimited data.

Verizon has unlimited data, Verizon carries Iphone, stops unlimited data.

Sprint has unlimited data, Sprint carries Iphone...

It's all the damn Iphones fault!
[Thunderbolt General] watt9493:
T-Mobile never gets icrap, never gets rid of unlimited dataz :cool:

Sent from my ADR6400L
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
That is correct! It also has crappy coverage when you travel, worse than cricket!
[Thunderbolt General] watt9493:
I don't really leave my state. If its a major issue for YOU. Fine. Its not and never WILL be for me. I'm a full-time student and never go far.

Sent from my ADR6400L
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
Never is a long time, but have fun with it
[Thunderbolt General] casperi:
There have been very few times that T-mobile didn't have coverage where I was. For those places we just turn on WiFi calling something no other provider has. Problem fixed. There has been many times that VZW didn't have coverage while T-mobile did. Hell same with sprint vs att vs VZW etc. Had them all. It depends where you are so *****ing about one carrier not having it another does , really doesn't do much but knowing if I or one of my contractors run into a place that we will be working at and for whatever reason doesn't have coverage. Their ability to turn on WiFi calling is awesome option. We can do mms and sms over WiFi. With this option coverage issues have gone from being an issue with VZW-Sprint-Death Star to not with T-mobile. Their biz plans are a ton better than anything VZW-Att could ever offer.
[Thunderbolt General] mcimo88:
I just got a Galaxy Nexus and switched over to it from my Thunderbolt two days ago. I still have my grandfathered unlimited data plan, so if any of you are planning to switch, you may want to do it now.
[Thunderbolt General] CenFlo:
Not sure if it's been posted, but the logic process here with VZW and unlimited data going away is (IMO) this:

1. No more "new" unlimited data plans. If you have one you're grandfathered on the plan.

2. No more free phones will be activated on unlimited data plans, you have to buy your own phone. No worries for me there.

3. Eventually it will be (...?...) no 4G activation for unlimited plans. Want to stay on 4G no matter what? You drop the unlimited data plan and go to a tiered plan.

4. ????

That's the way I see it going. VZW has the best wireless network right now and they know it. They're running out of bandwidth (or their network is becoming saturated) and that's a fact. Forcing the data hogs off their network or to throttle themselves seems to be where this is headed.
[Thunderbolt General] wiredmonkey:
Ah, another tool that buys into that bullsh$t. This is all about greed, plain and simple.
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
What facts do you have to back this up?
[Thunderbolt General] donc113:
How much greed is involved in spending $100 BILLION or so on buying spectrum and adding LTE?
[Thunderbolt General] ishmoo21:
Double Data

Hi. I had a Unlimited 3G plan with my Samsung Fascinate but I heard about this killing of the unlimited 4G plans when you renew so I bought a Thunderbolt online and switched to the 2GB 4G plan which until the 5th is doubled to 4GB. I won't use more than 4GB so I'm happy with it.
[Thunderbolt General] CC268:
I am confused, so I have been with verizon for like 100 years so will I get to keep it or are they just doing that to grandfathered people (wth does that mean anyways?)
[Thunderbolt General] ishmoo21:
Do you have a unlimited 4G plan right now?
[Thunderbolt General] TheBeardedMann:
No one knows for sure so make sure you understand that before you read this. As long as you don't take advantage of the discounted pricing via 2 year renewal through Verizon you will keep the unlimited plan is what I believe will happen. And you must already have a 4G phone activated. Right?
[Thunderbolt General] mvh11:
I've heard that they are going to swap unlimited data for tiered on all customers by the end of the year, whether you buy a new phone or not. If that happens(and I'm sure it will), you can take advantage of a very nice contractual loophole in which you can leave without an ETF if you are on contract, and I will.

I'll hop over to sprint. I'm not a data hog, and I use 3gb a month at most, so it's not about paying overages, I don't really care about that $10 extra, but it's the principal of losing a service that we were expected to be able to keep. Tiered data was implemented by Verizon as a way to save customers money, but all I would be doing is paying more for less. Sprint is building up their LTE network(but I don't know about my area, but I was an early LTE town for verizon, so I'm not too concerned), and the Evo LTE looks like it will be a great phone, and if I've learned anything about the EVO, the developers will love it.

Is anybody else considering jumping ship because of the unlimited data issue?

Edit:

Found what I was talking about in the contract:

Can Verizon Wireless Change This Agreement or My Service?

We may change prices or any other term of your Service or this agreement at any time, but we'll provide notice first, including written notice if you have Postpay Service. If you use your Service after the change takes effect, that means you're accepting the change. If you're a Postpay customer and a change to your Plan or this agreement has a material adverse effect on you, you can cancel the line of Service that has been affected within 60 days of receiving the notice with no early termination fee.
[Thunderbolt General] CC268:
Yes I do
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
You guys keep saying "abusing it", but I don't see how using the UNLIMITED DATA you are paying for is abuse in any way. The reason to buy an unlimited plan is so you can use it as much and for whatever you want. I really like the unlimited aspect because I don't want to worry about a limit. Besides, they are going to throttle you at about 2GB anyway. This is messed up because they are selling 4GB/mo. for the same $30/mo. I am paying for unlimited. Why do I get throttled at 2gb if I even use that much?

I don't tether hardly at all. I did once or twice a week at work for a short while, but that was just to check the bank account to update the books and then look at a few blogs. I have never truly "abused" my data plan, but I don't like them allowing a "grandfather in" deal and then screwing you out of it a few months later.
[Thunderbolt General] skeet43169:
I use 5 to 35 gigs a month that's why I got unlimited in the first place, So I'm not limited to the amount of data I might use or the porn I watch or Netflix I watch or the amount of time I spend reading post's on xda.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
You only get throttled if you are using that much at one tower. Once you move from that cell the throttle goes away.
[Thunderbolt General] texazranger09:
you shouldn't get throttled for anything. We pay for a service that most certainly is starting to be not provided. For the price we pay a month we should all get our own personal cell tower on our roof. I just may jump ship to sprint, not really because they have an amazing network(where I live, they dont) but because I personally would like to do everything in my power to ef verizon. It's not like you get any loyalty perks for staying with them...so why line their pockets and get nothing in return?
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
I agree that we shouldn't get throttled for anything but they do. I have an unlimited plan as well and I don't think its fair to be throttled. They have said they only throttle something like the top 5% of people and they aren't supposed to be throttling unlimited users but they have because they have throttled me before.
[Thunderbolt General] zeeza57:
I read an article from verizon that with or with out an upgrade we will all loose our unlimited data. There is a glitch in the contract that says subject to change at any time. Also they want to force everyone to 4G service. I dont get 4G at home or most places I go. So I will end up sucking up more data using 3G connections. This will not be fun. I have 5 phones on my contract, 2 are 3G and 2 are just talk and text. My TB is the only 4G I have 2 unlimited data phones and 1 on a 2gb plan. All cost $30.00 a month. So at $90.00 a month now, how could a family plan save me any $$$, if its not unlimited? This is going to become ugly all the way around
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
Link to article?
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
Verizon's customer service is another reason I want to jump ship. I got the Tbolt on April 1st and it has been a piece of garbage. It hangs, lags, locks up and (this is my 3rd phone) has apps force close. I was trying to call my sister yesterday and the dialer app force closed on me. Naming this a thunderbolt is like calling a paraplegic Flash!

I got this p.o.s. from an "authorized dealer" and they made it next to impossible to swap it out. Went to talk to the asshats at the Verizon store and get the usual; that they can't return the "authorized dealer's" inventory. They can't do that, but they can get me a replacement under the warranty. Makes little sense to me. They could, however offer some kind of compromise to make a (I think) 8 year customer happy. My wife and I probably haven't made more than 3 or 4 payments late and not by more than 5 to 7 days late at that. This bill is one that we consider quite important.
[Thunderbolt General] idkwhothatis123:
Custom roms fix that though.
[Thunderbolt General] zeeza57:
Link to article CNET May 16th 2012
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
Custom ROMs may fix some or all of the issues, but this phone has been on the market for a while and it either should have had the problems fixed or the thing pulled from the Verizon market altogether.

Besides, finding a really good, fast and smooth ROM isn't easy. Well, rooting isn't all that easy either.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
I asked Verizon about this phone right after I got it and they are no longer selling them. I asked a rep on the phone about the pricing and they weren't keeping them in stock anymore.
[Thunderbolt General] revaew:
Rooting is literally a 3 click process via revolutionary. And there are tons of fast smooth roms for the Thunderbolt...

Also, I don't tether at all. But back when rom development was huge on the Thunderbolt, I was flashing several roms a day. I used upwards of 2 gigs a day some days... But that's why I pay for unlimited data. That's not abusing the system
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
As an answer to mvh11, I plan to jump ship if I can financially. If not, I will probably tell them where they can shove this crappy phone. My wife is going to be a problem when it comes to jumping to Sprint. She doesn't care if they take away our unlimited data. She uses WiFi at work and home anyway. She also has a 3G phone.

I wanted to jump at the end of the year of whenever I was allowed to say goodbye without a termination fee, but she wouldn't agree. With this move from Verizon, she will have to get an account in her name because I will jump to Sprint and cancel ALL accounts in my name.

My question has always been, how are you saving customer money by eliminating the unlimited plan? They want you to pay the exact same amount for a tiered plan? WTF is the thinking there? There are people that do use a lot of data.

My issues with Verizon customer service started a few years back. I got a Samsung smart phone because it had WiFi and they said that they could do an internet block on it so I wouldn't have to pay for a data plan. I even asked about keeping my unlimited text, pix and flix service with the smart phone and was assured I would keep that. Ordered it and after I got it called to have them do the internet block and was THEN informed that I would lose my ability to use the pix and flix feature because they use the internet! Could've told me that before I ordered the phone.

An addition to the phone issue was the fact that I couldn't get the WiFi to work. That being an advertised feature through Verizon one would think they would help. NOT! Tech support said they didn't support that particular feature. So, why advertise it as a feature/benefit of the phone? BlueTooth is a feature just the same and they will support that feature.

Anyway, was a huge fight to get them to take that phone back and give me another one. Was about to have the phone turned off then. They finally relented and gave me another regular crappy phone to make me happy.

I flashed a new ROM day before yesterday that has improved the OS issues SOME, but the pgone is still slower than my OG DInc. It amazes me that it has the same processor as the DInc2 and is slower than an OG DInc. My OG DInc. never had the lag, hangs, etc., that this thing has. It still lags and hangs even with LiquidSmooth running just not as bad.
[Thunderbolt General] NewTalk:
People taking about data usage, we are all tethered up and last month my brother used 94GB of data, lol

Then again, we are on unlimited prepaid for $50 a month

Thunderbolt, evo 4g, evo 3d and rezound, so nice as prepaid phones :D

Sent from my Verizon Powered Evo 3D
[Thunderbolt General] RunNgun42:
Hilarious that Verizon can describe the "discount" offered on your phone as a subsidy when they just recover the cost by charging you more on your monthly payment. Add up the extra payments + initial phone purchase and you end up paying full retail price anyway, so what is their problem?
[Thunderbolt General] brandogg:
That's what EVERY carrier does, it's why you pay more for contract plans.
[Thunderbolt General] RunNgun42:
I know, but how the hell is this a subsidy? If anything it's more like a loan, since you end up paying it back. But they arent just GIVING away value from the phone. You still end up paying it. On top of that, there's an early termination fee which makes up the cost of the phone as well, so there is 0 risk to the carrier for giving you a phone at $200. How can they sit here and ***** and moan and act like you cant have unlimited data unless you pay full price out of pocket?
[Thunderbolt General] unctucker:
I called Verizon on this topic only. I talk to a CSR and the guy told me to write V a hand written letter and send it to the home office. He said everyone can send emails but only a few send letters. He said he knows they read these letters and said if enough people send in there comments the idea of the end of unlimited to the ones grandfathered in may end.

Sent from my SOAB running Thunder.
[Thunderbolt General] brandogg:
I'm not looking forward to buying a full priced phone any more than you are - but I think when Verizon does actually announce their shared data plans...they will be pretty reasonable.
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
I don't care if their "shared data" plans are reasonable or not. I bought into an unlimited data plan and should be allowed to keep it. Should never have started them if they didn't want to use them.
[Thunderbolt General] simp dogg:
That's why I'm holding on as long as I can with my trusted Thunderbolt. Hell with the most recent ROM I feel like I have a new phone anyway lol
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
What ROM and kernel are you running? I'm playing with Thunderstick ATM and it is a good bit better than stock. But, I will be trying some of the others.
[Thunderbolt General] flooritnfly:
which rom is that?
[Thunderbolt General] Stratejaket:
Officially starts June 28th! http://solutions.vzwshop.com/shareeverything/?intcmp=VZW-VNT-SE-PLANRECMND

The bottom of the page has a small FAQ with one of the questions being about unlimited. "If keeping unlimited is important to you, you can choose to upgrade and pay full retail price for the phone."
[Thunderbolt General] ToddL:
I'm probably in the minority here, but sign me up! Currently paying $165+taxes for 2 phones 1400 shared, $30 data, and $5/$10 text plans. I could go to 2GB plan with unlimited voice & text for $140+taxes. Both phones combined we currently use about 1GB per month.
[Thunderbolt General] djsnake210:
Yeah I'm with ya... Right now me and my wife pay 189... She only has 450 min, I gave unlimited voice, we both only have 500 text, and unlimited data. Combined the most we have ever used is 1.75 gig.

On the new plan we can both have unlimited voice and text, and have 4 gig data to be safe for only 150... It'll save me 40 a month.

I heard it'll suck for single lines though... That's crappy.
[Thunderbolt General] mvh11:
I've got three smartphones on a plan, and I alone use over 2 gigabytes each month, so I would actually have to pay more to get less on shared data. That's not the point though, I signed up for unlimited, that's what I should get. I personally hope verizon loses a lot of business over this. I'm not a heavy user and I do not abuse the system. I use my data for reasonable things, I don't tether or anything. I just use my phone often.

Their phones at this point look sort of lacking anyway, I think Verizon isn't the way to go this time around.

Honestly, most users don't need unlimited data, the users on this forum are the minority. You're just some of the few that have shown up. I don't really need it, but I don't trust open wifi networks so I use my data instead. Verizon recommends you use wifi whenever and wherever possible, which is not a smart idea. Personal info can be taken very easily.
[Thunderbolt General] ToddL:
Correction: Just learned that there's a new $15 fee for using Good Messaging. That plus corporate discount applied to a smaller portion of the bill means I'm actually at about break even.:(
[Thunderbolt General] sgtguthrie:
Do you pay for tethering then if it's for work and you're using 24gb/month?
[Thunderbolt General] dizzyman1180:
Most of us will be paying a lot more because of the users who feel it necessary to tether multiple devices, use it as their home or work network, and use 20+ gb's a month for one phone. Sucks that we are all getting screwed because some cannot be honest and pay for the hotspot that they should be paying for.
[Thunderbolt General] deno24:
I spoke to a Verizon rep about this and was told that as long as I don't upgrade my phone I would stay with unlimited. He said I average 20gigs a month ;0

So I guess ill pay full retail or buy used equipment.
[Thunderbolt General] wiredmonkey:
I can't believe people still fall for that "data hog" crap. Price increases / loss of unlimited data plans are all about carrier greed, nothing more.
[Thunderbolt General] idkwhothatis123:
I'm a firm believer of the term "oh well". Most are not going to jump ship because the cell service is phenomenal. And those that do switch Congrats to your ballsy-ness. I am going to pay more, upgrade for a cheaper price, and get switched to a tiered data plan. Oh well. We're in this thing called life, and it sucks. But deal with it. Will I switch to sprint and attempt to download something at 1kb per second, no. Will I switch to T-Mobile and have to stand outside of my house to make a call? No. Will I go to att and deal with the same **** as vzw for less service? No. So vzw aligned fees and plans with other providers. Oh Well.
[Thunderbolt General] BeefJerky9:
VZW is a business, and business exist to make money. They are not a charity, so like it or not, this is the reason they are doing what they are doing. The reality is, the abusers of the unlimited plan were costing VZW money. I consider those people a liability, not a customer; it seems VZW is starting to see that as well. Of course, I would have rather them kicked the abusers off the network rather than going the route they are, but oh well.

But then, abusers usually do manage to ruin it for everybody. Too bad they are too self-centered and egotistical to ever comprehend or admit that they really are a major problem with society.
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
And your proof is? If people want to tether multiple items and not pay for hotspot, that is stealing. If everyone paid for hotspot, i doubt they would change their plans.
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
I am switching to shared data with 10gits like 2 cents more...
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Ignite sign up for an unlimited plan that means I can use an unlimited amount. I usually use about 5terabytes of sTay on just my laptop with tv viewing alone like hulu netflixs, and others.
[Thunderbolt General] BeefJerky9:
As long as that "unlimited data" is used solely via your phone. However, we have users here are using large amounts of data due to unauthorized tethering. That is not only against the TOS, but absolutely falls under the category of abuse. However, even putting that aside, VZW does have a clause in their TOS to cover cases where people use excessive data on the phone only. That is the problem with calling something "unlimited," self-entitled and abusive people will come along and ruin it for everybody.

Oh, and in your case, I'm assuming you are talking about home internet service based on your mention of TB's of data. I bet if you look in the fine print, abuse is mentioned as well. If you cause problems for other users due to your levels of usage, you can be sure that they will throttle you or kick you off.
[Thunderbolt General] brandogg:
Verizon will lose no one from this. They might lose 1% of the .001% of the users that go on XDA, etc. I actually predict business increasing from this.
[Thunderbolt General] BeefJerky9:
Agreed. For all the threats I've seen that people will be leaving over this, the vast majority won't ever act on it. In addition, I suspect some of that miniscule loss VZW will "suffer" will be from them being more aggressive in removing repeated abusers from their networks (or forcing them off of "unlimited" plans). But that won't really be a loss for them.

As for me, I don't plan on leaving. In my experience, they have the best coverage, and I don't want to give that up. You know the old saying, "you get what you pay for," and it certainly applies here (IMO).
[Thunderbolt General] BuffaloChips:
I take issue with that part of TOS AND your categorizing anyone under an unlimited plan as abusing or ruining it for others. Normal people understand the definition of UNLIMITED. If you or anyone else doesn't understand the term, here is the definition for you ....

[uhn-lim-i-tid]

adjective

1. not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.

2. boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.

3. without any qualification or exception; unconditional.

As I said earlier, I RARELY tether so I really don't "abuse" that for anything worth anyone fighting over. But, I absolutely WILL NOT pay more for less data. This **** about saving people money is a scam. How is it saving me money? I used their tool and I would be paying more for their service BEFORE taxes, fees and my insurance plan and be limited to 2GB/mo. Where is my savings!!!!

SCREW THAT IDEA!!!!
[Thunderbolt General] Google_Nexus:
Unlimited is unlimited. So how can you abuse something that is unlimited?
[Thunderbolt General] skeet43169:
I pay for unlimited use so I get unlimited use
[Thunderbolt General] Nefariouss:
You guys who think the small percentage of people who use large amounts of unlimited data ruining it are funny. For every person who used abnormally large amounts of data I'd bet there's 10 who use less then 500mb of data.
[Thunderbolt General] Baconrules21:
Understandable. But in that unlimited, tethering is not allowed unless you have a different plan for it. (Not saying you do)

Most people abuse that in their homes and elsewhere and that's where all the data is going. Other than that, it's super hard to use that much data in a month otherwise.

People tend to forget that when they talk about unlimited.
[Thunderbolt General] yelow79:
There's nothing on the internet that I can do tethered that i can't do using just my phone. Acception being xbox live or something along those lines. Which I can match with streaming. So please explain to me how it is abuse to tether? It's just one more way for Verizon to milk more money out of people.
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
Thats a great point, you nailed i.