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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
downloading as we speak, and will use it for the day at work. my job is counting on your development skills ;)

booted fine, no FC on boot, Restoring things to my liking and will let you know if i encounter any issues.

Found the dialer and contacts will not load. acore process and something else

a lot of FC issues, settings wont open either, the browser and MMS worked but other than that the phone and contacts and whatnot did not work going back to .6 for the day until these can be fixed.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Ok those are easy fixes. I am rolling back the framework res and adding 2 lock screen options and APM as well.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
Cant wait for .8

yeah .6 is working fine still :)

im having a problem receiving calls, i can make calls but am not receiving them
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Sakuryu:
Little busy today so I can't flash and reflash too much, though I'll try it when .7 comes out since .6 has reported FCs
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
is anyone else running the lates release? .7

v0.0.7 RC is up... Down to 113mb

http://www.4shared.com/zip/8a2edVCB/...7_SK4G_RC.html

if more people were testing this then we could progress on the errors
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Can some one give me a screenshot of the stock pulldown and status bar. I need to see what needs to be rolled back.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
damn i went back, i need to ability to receive calls at work so i dont have that available but im pretty sure it was the same as .4 and .6
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
i need the bone stock one. That is glorious OD
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
this is what i have from a fresh flash of your rom, i didnt change anything
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Sakuryu:
Its basically the same but the top is touch to update your social network, when pulled left it shows those connction options
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] d3xtro.:
View attachment 1077374The one posted before was also stock not GO
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
That is a HORRIBLE UI. WOW
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
I actually don't mind it too much, except for the Cracker Jack Kid avatars, LOL. That's what we see when there is no contact pic.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Dr.Gonz0:
But is coming together nicely that's for sure! Can't wait to flash this bad boy!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Dr.Gonz0:
hmmm.... phone sent out two posts... that rat bastard! I'm still running B2B with FTL Launcher (FTW Launcher is more like it) for the time being until the bugs get ironed out
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wjcarpenter:
Here's where I show my ignorance a little bit, but I'm pretty clear on what things are part of the apparently-disliked TouchWiz UI. That's as opposed to things that you can change around on any Android phone. For example, AFAIK, you can easily replace the launcher and on-screen keyboard with alternatives on most every phone.

So, I guess it must be some aspects of the status bar and pulldown, and maybe the lock screen. Anything else of significance?

BTW, when this is all done, do you think we will be able to use the on-screen keyboard in landscape mode? Like everyone, I really like the physical keyboard, but sometimes I just need to type a quickie without 'kicking it out.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Unfortuately all slider phones had this same issue. I will look into it deeper.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wjcarpenter:
Do you mean the issue about the on-screen keyboard? I also have an MTC Mytouch 4G Slide. I can use the on-screen keyboard in landscape mode. It runs Gingerbread, so maybe that's the difference.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
What rom are you using???
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] mjsell2:
If I remeber correctly, when 1.6 came out on the g1 the stock keyboard worked in landscape. I know all of the cm roms I used on the g1 had this. I still have one or two on my hdd I can load to dropbox.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wjcarpenter:
I run the stock T-Mobile stuff from HTC on my MT4GS.

(I'm trying to wean myself off the physical keyboard, but the on-screen really needs to work in landscape mode for me to get over that habit.)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
The "Phone" button on the AOSP Launcher says "Application not installed on your phone." Small bug, but if you can get it ironed out, that'd be great! Keep up the good work on this project. Ill be posting bugs and whatnot for whatever I see, I flash daily anyways.

But if you're going to be ripping out the TW Phone & Contacts and replacing them with AOSP, then I guess its just a matter of time.

EDIT: Another small bug, when you get a notification from Handcent SMS (And any other Market Messaging app I'm assuming), the bottom of the lockscreen says "Unknown", and dosent go away till a reboot. Present in .4+

Sent from my SGH-T839
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
yeah im excited but with the last release i was not getting calls it went right to voice mail.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
http://www.4shared.com/zip/pl4JisJm/RubiX_Xcel_v008_SK4G_RC.html

Try this v
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Downloading, will edit with results.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Its only 111mb
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
not booting for me, is the update script corrupt?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
THATS What I was afraid of....sh*ttttttt :(
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Updater is fine. I modded the framework.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Just as Hewett said, constant bootloops. Don't know if its the script, but if it FCs at Bootscreen dosent that mean the framework is crashing?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
i replaced to framework to get it to boot but still no dialer or contacts they FC mms is the only app that works.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Go away JiN. These mods must be MIA today.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
have you figured out where these problems may be?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
I believe so uploading one more.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
well that sounds splendid sir thanks
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
For some stupid reason the contacts and phone apk are all Touchwiz. Its looking for the setup wizard. With out it it causes it to FC. I had a same issue with my epic touch 4G when i was messing with the stock rom. Samsung really really screwed this device. Im still cleaning up a lot of code. Who ever was the software engineer for this device needs to be fired. He or she was drunk or high during some of the coding. Its really no wonder this device runs sh*tty on the bone stock rom.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
yeah ive noticed its a pain in the ass to alter anything on the stock rom, everything is tied together and its bull
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
EXactly. HTC Sense is way worse...trust me. Touchwiz is much easier.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Try this...everything should work.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
http://www.4shared.com/zip/I9oepkBo/RubiX_Xcel_v009_SK4G_RC.html
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
it boots, more info to come

phone and contacts still FC
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
It will boot.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
also cannot open settings it FC, has same issues as .7
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Ill be downloading and flashing too within 10 minutes or so. Will edit with my results. Is there anyone that wants me to check an app for them for compatibility? Im about to run it through Handcent, FB, Twitter, TiBu, the usuals.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Settings is FCing??? It shouldnt be.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
sorry, manage applications fc's and the phone and the contacts browser worked but fc'ed once and mms worked fine
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Im starting to hate froyo touchwiz.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
So phone and contacts work now???
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
no sorry im cant structure a sentence phone contacts and manage apps all kicked a FC

only the browser and mms worked
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Settings is running fine for me, i went through everything, found a couple problems.

From Settings:

1) Applications->Manage Applications makes Settings FC.

2) The Lockscreen choice is available at the bottom of Display, but does nothing (Sidekick Lockscreen still present after changes)

Overall:

1) Trying to open Phone or Contacts causes an FC. (EDIT: Can download GO Contacts EX as a workaround)

2) "Phone" Icon on AOSP Launcher still displays "Application is not installed on your phone." -- Dont know if this is a bug but should be listed

3) (Was present in all versions of RubiX) - Android keyboard vibration dosent work, even when clicked to on (Under Locale & Text)

4) LEDs dont work for New SMS Messages (For AOSP, LEDs work with Handcent SMS)

5) White-on-White textboxes in some apps (Messaging, for example)

I came from a fresh install (Wiped Data/Factory Reset, Wiped Cache, Wiped Dalvik).

I must say though, you're doing an AMAZING job ReActive! AOSP Messaging, Web, Gallery and others.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
yes same issues i had, thanks for making more sense than me :)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
No problem, haha :) I just want development for this ROM to proceed as easy as it can go. Also, you can go ahead and download a 3rd-Party Dialer from the Play Store to compensate for the apps right now (Im enjoying the AOSP goodness). I downloaded "exDialer & Contacts", try it out.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Sakuryu:
Starting to!?!? You have much more tolerance than myself
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
have you confirmed calls can be received? earlier i was running .6 and i could make calls but no one could call me
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] The Pope of Dope:
Mr. Dev man. Could we please make Twicca work? That would be awesome =]
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
I was able to receive calls. Even without the 3rd party dialer app.

EDIT: Even with the 3rd-Party Dialer, whenever I try to edit a contact, the android process "acore" FCs, same error that pops up as trying to open contacts. You can make and receive calls fine though.

EDIT 2: Everything works when using "Go Contacts EX". Temporary workaround until the next version, but whoever wants to flash this amazing goodness and can't wait but need their phone, its possible.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Gonna post a picture of what apps are changed. The ones listed in the picture are ACTUAL AOSP Apps (DeTouchWiz'd)

Proof of the CM6 code is in the Home Screen Tips.

Also, found another thing. Inside the "Calendar" app, maybe its just me but there's a huge stretched out "G" Data thing. Check it out if you know what I mean, or if you need a snapshot.

This is RubiX Xcel v0.0.9 RC.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] nxd:
At some point, someone should probably also arrange to test 911, especially since many of us are using a non-standard modem image these days.

I guess the way to do this is to call the local police department on their normal land line (NOT on 911) first, and ask them to schedule a time when you can place a test call to 911. That way you don't risk getting in trouble for misuse of emergency services.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Sakuryu:
How stable is this? Id like to flash but don't have time to tweak stuff right now, lots of cleaning and junk going on
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
.9 is not really stable. Usable, but yeah. Phone and Contacts give FCs, though you can get GO Contacts EX for that. I posted something a couple posts ago, I listed the bugs I saw in this v0.0.9.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wolfepakt:
Glad to see some dev work on the side kick. It is one of the best keyboard phones anywhere! Once reactive gets this stable, my wife may finally be able to leave stock!

(ps this post is partially to add this thread in my participated topics in tapatalk)

Will drop a thanks or two on reactive!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wolfepakt:
At least sense comes with eye candy! All the tw I have seen is ugly, and the sk4g is extra ugly!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Sakuryu:
The keyboard is one reason I love this phone and don't anticipate leaving it until the next side kick comes out. And with the removal of TW added with the keyboard the sk4g will be one of the best phones I've seen even if we do lack gb and ics
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Word. I've always loved the stock android look... and last time I had a keyboard phone was the G1 2 years ago. Plus, the development for this phone hit a burst when I just got my SK (:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Can someone reporting these FCs fix permissions inside rom manager and reboot.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
when i flashed it i did a fix permissions through recovery and it didnt fix anything for me :(
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Do it through rom manager
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
no change after running it through rom manager :( im going to keep running this version with another dealer for now just to see if anything else comes up
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Hewett's right, both yielded the same results
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Try this. Newest version.

http://www.4shared.com/zip/gd07W7NM/CM-Merge_v100_SK4G_Stable.html
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
looks good but still having the same issues with the manage apps and dialer and contacts android.acore
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Im at a loss then. Cause nothing i removed woulda cause the acore to fail. Get me a logcat cause im at my wits end playing the guessing game.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
also i cannot receive calls again sends right to my voice mail
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
WTF.....I fixed that last build. Ugh....*sigh*
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
yeah :( i cant pull a log cat at work unless you have suggestions on how to do so
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] afr33sl4ve:
Patience man. I'm waiting for a good build, as I need my phone right now (using GOv2). Once, you've got it. I'll try it out.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
App called "alogat" in the market. I need you to pull a log when you attempt to open the contacts. I need to see what process is failing.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
its not pulling anything, ive pulled logs before but for some reason it will not pull any information
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
Here is a error i get with .4 that may give you a hint reactive to the issue of no logcats showing up.

* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *

* daemon started successfully *

Unable to open log device '/dev/log/main': No such file or directory
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Thank you soooooooooooo much....I know EXACTLY what the issue is now.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
happy to be of assistance:D
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
I Can not believe a simple one line script "echo rm/dev/line/main caused this whole FC sh*t
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
man! haha im sorry i couldnt be of more help :(
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
You can be...using a root file explorer go into /system/etc/initd and delete "15logger" and reboot twice. That should solve the FC issues :)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
tried what you said on v.4 an I can now get logcats \o/
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
http://www.4shared.com/zip/KMgmnD79/CM-Merge_v101_SK4G_Stable.html

Everything should work now. 116mb
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Well well well......I can not believe that tiny script caused me this huge head. WOW.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
im sorry, but im still having the same issues :(
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
After flashing v1.0.1 or after deleting the script??
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
1.0.1 wont boot think the tw framework was named wrong and i changed that it booted but the mms would crash and still couldn't receive calls
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
anyone else getting FCing hell an the phone bootlooping an buzzing like a angry bee? I'm trying downloading the rom again an use a different usb cable

edit-----

well..... tried all my cables an even put the memory card directly into the computer and still getting a huge amounts of FCs before the screen even loads up dah hell x.x
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
theres an issue but its getting better progress is being made :)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] LinuxAssailant:
Unlock screen whacking out (only on down slide, not up) whenever the display is turned back on.

Contact access starts buzzing... FCs galore.

I need a functional phone right now, but will test and give dumps in the future... if need be.

Looks promising, but Cyanogen I believe it is not... :)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
Well he is merging stuff from cm6 to our wonky lil sidekick cm7 is out of our grasp at this time an cm6 all the source is out if mem serves me right.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Dr.Gonz0:
Gotta work backwards before moving foward
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
exactly!!!! now if only i could figure how to get a logs off the phone to figure why its bootlooping x.x an I can't use my backups now due to md5mismatch >.<
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] LinuxAssailant:
I am aware, just thought I list my issues why it wasn't at all useable so if anyone is heat-seeking issues this would be a starting point. :)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
This happened to me before on stock kj2 when i deleted the setup wizard. Only way to bypass FC upon cunlocking, is to open the keyboard.

I am having trouble downloading from 4 shared....
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
Should I make logcats? I just came back from school.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
the tw framework in 1.0.1 i named wrong cause the bootloop if you rename it it will boot but still has issues, but then you can ppull the logs
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
you are right, also framework1.jar should be twframework.jar

I managed to get a logcat, i opened every app i could.

just remove .zip from the filename.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
were you able to receive calls because im not

i can make them but not receive them
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
That's a negative, my dialer opens, as you said i can make calls, but not receive them.

mms and camera do not work.

after renaming framework1.jar manage applications does not force close.

contacts app works aswell.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
nice i think this will really help re out
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
How retarded of samsung. Holy cow. Ok bringing out one more update for the night.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] orange808:
Download a program called "Android Commander".

Not only will it give you the ability to interact with the OS when the boot hangs up, it will also give you the ability to debug and identify what may be causing the problem.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
a few of the jar files in the framework are wrong, i renamed them and have it booting with contacts and everything working need to test a call in now

no calls in working :( everything else seems to be though

messenging is FC in
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
Got a logcat that captures the missed call twice, also unlockscreen failing to switch.

same deal, just remove .zip from the filename.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Ok I did the same in v1.0.2
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
have you identified why the calls cannot be received?

thats the only thing stopping me from using this
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
The logs are clean....at least in that aspect. Ive looked at two logcats posted here i skimmed through both and didnt see any errors on that aspect.

Heres v1.0.2

http://www.4shared.com/zip/RLsRYOc3/CM-Merge_v102_SK4G_Stable.html
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Also in v1.0.2 there are two different updater scripts. One is a full wipe script which is named updater-script.bak and a no wipe updater-script named updater-script. The no wipe is the default script so if you want the rom to auto wipe everything then delete updater-script and then rename updater-script.bak to updater-script. ENJOY
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
look at the log on post 376 might be something in that one
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] rpmccormick:
How do we change the default then? Also, our phone is 1ghz stock (not 600-800)

FYI: I just overclocked for the first time using Tegrek free. 1.3 works for about 5min, then phone reboots. 1.1 works great always. That is all I have tried thus far.

Thanks for getting something out quick ReActive. I hope it works as well as IB4.5 for me.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
600-800mhz is the sweet spot for battery life and it wont ruin performance.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Ok im going to upload a test rom tonight. I just got back from disneyland CA and I finally got AWESOME WiMax 4G to upload this puppy.

Totally not related to development but I got a horrible sunburn on my neck and a farmers tan Like no other :D

Doesnt it look HORRIBLE :eek:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Jax184:
Now there's a first. Never before on XDA have I asked myself "What body part is that?"
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yoyowhatup22:
:eek:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Lol. horrible self pic i know....Its my neck and back.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Link is up...Enjoy.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HeavyYeti:
I was thinking of flashing back to a stock rom....but then I see this. Soon as I get home ill flash and test it out. Very excited for this
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
Could it be possible for someone to mirror this on a file sharing site that doesn't need a account to download? would really like to try this out
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
http://www.mediafire.com/?xmx8f25ml6foh1g
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
thankyou!!!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] The Pope of Dope:
So a couple of things.

1. Choose one boot anim. I would suggest using stock.

2. PLEASE FIX BUG IN ATTACHEMENT FOR twicca app. There isn't a single rom I've tried so far that actually works. It makes me very sad.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] pintek:
first thing i noticed as soon as i installed this was wow this feels stock but holy crap soo much better responsiveness (will set it through hell tomorrow with my work) an atm what grabs my eye quickly is boot animation an power off anim seam abit wonky don't know whats going on there atm other then that I'll post more info on my experiance after a full day of work.

edit---

had to manually enter in the apn for tmobile to get data to work (don't know why it didn't auto make a apn) also had to toggle the data things a few times (forgot the order sorry >.<)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Jax184:
I haven't installed it myself, but I have a feeling the problem the others have described with the boot animation is that two different animations are playing overtop each other. I've seen this on nearly every Sidekick ROM for some reason. I don't know what the actual root cause is, but some change that most modders make to the stock ROM causes both the custom Sidekick logo and the default shiny Android logo to be displayed at the same time. The easiest solution I've found is to delete one or the other.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Actually there is a very good reason for it. When I updated the rom to 2.2.2 system patch I also updated the APNs for ALL GSM Providers. So basically anyone from any gsm network can use this without issue. I didnt forsee anyone having to enter an APN though :P
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Twicca??? Never heard of it.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] orange808:
To fix the boot animation, navigate to system/media/ and rename bootsamsung.qmg and bootsamsungloop.qmg to bootsamsung.qmg.bak and bootsamsungloop.qmg.bak.

Rename system/media/video/shutdown to put a stop to the shutdown animation.

Easily done.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Already working on v0.0.2
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
Great progress man.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] The Pope of Dope:
Is that you way of saying "I'm not helping because **** you?"
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kideskimo:
I have "Unknown" over baseband version, even after flashing the Blaze 4G Modem. "Status" under About Phone makes Settings FC, Messaging app FCs. Mind you, im on AT&T though. Dont know if that should make a difference though.