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[HTC Rezound] Watercycle:
I can't see the phone being considered laggy unless you can from iphone 4S

surely there was just a tricky spot along the developmental improvements on the phone? :)

or perhaps make a video of it :eek: many people have different ideas on lag, and force closing of any kind isn't really a defective phone as much as a malfunction in the flashing I would assume
[HTC Rezound] k_flan:
No lag opening or using apps, I get a little stuttering when scrolling long lists or doing other UI interactions but it's been greatly reduced with ics.
[HTC Rezound] brisdaddy1207:
Mine is on the leak and little to no lag, only lag I ever see is on certain live wallpapers.
[HTC Rezound] blackhand1001:
Or a nexus.
[HTC Rezound] buckifvr:
I'm running CleanROM 4.5 Pro and it runs smooth and fast.. No lag at all.
[HTC Rezound] abby_nitewolf:
Because racecar
[HTC Rezound] johnwaynegacy:
Sense
[HTC Rezound] scy1192:
you don't even need to buy Vignette, the stock camera app has several filters that look just like instagrams
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
anytime you want to put your nexus up against my rezound for speed, come on over...

If you really thought your nexus was superior to the rezound, you wouldn't be over here trolling.
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
Don't exchange phones at the store........Ever

Call 611 and talk to them. Tell them you have done several factory resets and DON'T tell them u installed roms or root..

I just exchanged 2 soff rezounds.

I've exchanged soff dincs and tbolts.

I.don't even flash back to stock. Vzw does not give a f***
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
Also.. to OP.

Read here.

https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp...ity&aid=z123z1eomsqdzbexo04ccdjy2ujlhl4xmy00k

and then here

https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04

It's just the way android is built.
[HTC Rezound] derek4484:
Gotta say, I agree with you on this. I think Android is coded poorly, or its poorly designed at the root. My old iphone 2G with 128MB RAM and a 500MHz processor ran flawlessly. 2.5 years later I then went to a Galaxy S as my first Android phone and it lagged, even with top end hardware, Android lags and has bugs. You have to reboot it at least a couple times per week to clear out the memory. My old iPhone 2G only rebooted once or twice the entire time I had it (2.5 years). I like Android as an alternative to iOS but its surely not the most efficient design. I think the biggest flaw is how it handles threads and the fact that its basically just a big java virtual machine running on top of a linux kernel. That's going to be laggy inherently (java F'ing sucks). Even with 1.5GHz Dual Core superphone. iOS and WinPhone work more like a true desktop OS (executing native code in lieu of bytecode as android does).

I've read several posts on G+ from Google software engineers that states they know there are several inherent flaws in Android with the way it handles certain GUI elements and they've been there since Google acquired Android in the very beginning. They knew what they were but were in a rush to get it out the door to compete with iPhone so they left it and just assumed they could come back and fix them later. Here we are with 4.0 and still there. Now, its so far along they cant be fixed because of backwards compatibility issues.
[HTC Rezound] :
If someone has the time, can you post a video of your Rezound running ICS. I want to see how it compares to my Rezounds. I have definite lag on the one with ICS. I have tried most roms, stock ruu, factory reset, etc.

I have one s-off Rezound with the newest ICS leak.

And another that is stock unrooted on official GB.

The GB one is almost twice as fast for me. I want to see if its a software or hardware issue.
[HTC Rezound] EtherBoo:
I've only read the Page 5, so forgive me if this was said over the next 2 pages.

I know what you mean OP, and I don't know why.

Running CleanROM (4.5 I think, newest version of ICS as of 5/10), it's older ICS firmware though, Scott hasn't updated.

My definition of lag:

The ring on the lock screen lags behind my finger. It's following my finger as opposed to be "touching it" and "moving it". I think this is due to the kernel not being optimized, but since Scott includes his own kernel, I could be wrong.

My DX did the same thing with the "ball-style" lock screen, but it had a single core.

The keyboard keys flash behind my fingers as opposed to when I tap them. Installing the ICS keyboard has fixed this.

Stuttering on some transitions (for me, most commonly when viewing all home screens at once). They should all be buttery smooth with a dual core.

I honestly think once an AOSP ROM is released it will make all the difference. Sense ROMs run around 500 - 600 MB de-bloated; AOSP ROMs run around 100 - 200 MB.

Sense has so much crap running all the time, like showing me the weather on the lock screen when I wake up. Nice but unnecessary touches that no doubt cause lag.
[HTC Rezound] kevinb721:
nexus and speed shouldnt be used in the same sentence
[HTC Rezound] blackhand1001:
Wow I am here because I have both phones but you guys are big haters.
[HTC Rezound] dvigue:
hey all...well i ran the GB RUU, and wow does my phone feel faster..no lag, nothing..do you think i had a Crappy ICS RUU that i flashed and thats why it was so laggy, and freezing up?
[HTC Rezound] :
After watching various videos of phones with Ice Cream Sandwich on youtube...it seems to me that ICS isn't as snappy as GB. Transitions between menus, apps, etc is seconds slower. This is odd though, because my Galaxy Tab 2 running official ICS stock, seems to be fast. My GB Rezound still is the fastest of all my devices.

Ran real word tests on my Rezound (ICS s-off), Rezound (GB stock), Galaxy Tab 2 (ICS stock), Girls droid Razr (GB stock).

Rezound (GB stock) - Fastest

Galaxy Tab 2 (ICS stock)

Razr (GB stock)

Rezound (ICS s-off) - Slowest

Hopefully this is just hardware issues with my ICS Rezound and not the way Sense 3.6 will run when it's official for the Rezound. Lag is unacceptable at this point in the game.
[HTC Rezound] dvigue:
great Info..and i totally agree
[HTC Rezound] rockingondrums:
Maybe I just tried much too early in the day. I even used the pname=com.___ method to search for it, and it didn't work.

It does, but the stock camera compresses the pictures too much for my liking. Vignette not only takes higher quality pictures, but it's list of effects (and number of customization options on those) rips Instagram a new one.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic so until the OP posts a vid, I'm out :D
[HTC Rezound] JeffDenver:
Not even...at least not on my phone. ICS is light years faster than GB ever was on mine. It is a night and day difference.

I don't see occasional stutters and certainly not lag, and apps launcher faster.
[HTC Rezound] jbh00jh:
+ 1
[HTC Rezound] :
Yes I remember talking with you on this over at DroidForums. I don't know what is going on. It's just weird that it ran great on GB and then after trying the ICS leak twice and factory resetting, its a lot slower. I guess I am going to have to return it to GB and see if that helps.
[HTC Rezound] JeffDenver:
I think that ICS uses hardware acceleration for the UI now...so if you have hardware problems, that might explain the difference.

If it is an ICS issue at all it might be how it is interacting with an app or something. This is not the official release after all, so there may be some bugs we don't know about. Everyone I have talked to who has used the leak (including family members) has reported speed gains and no losses.
[HTC Rezound] :
Thanks. I am going to return it to GB firmware tonight and see how it compares to my stock GB Rezound. I have a feeling I may have done something to it hardware wise, or that the previous owner messed it up.
[HTC Rezound] JeffDenver:
Maybe check your RAM and CPU and run diagnostics or something. From what I understand, if the previous owner overheated it, it could have damaged the RAM or whatever...running at half RAM would explain the slowdown.
[HTC Rezound] :
Yea good idea. I am going to compare stats between the two Rezounds. It has gotten really hot at times.
[HTC Rezound] mikion123:
no lag on ineffibilis dues
[HTC Rezound] bigillz:
Well, you're both s-off and experiencing slowdowns that the rest of us aren't. I don't see that s-off itself could be causing any issues, but it's a likely indication you've messed with a lot of other things - possibly overclocked kernels, etc. It's definitely not normal, I've been running the latest ics cleanroms with zero issues on 2 rezounds, all extremely fast. The only thing I'm ever waiting for is network.
[HTC Rezound] :
I didn't use any overclock kernels and memory is fine, but the processor is definitely take some weird choppy steps. Something is making it work hard. It's rarely dropping below 1.1ghz with nothing running. I am on latest leak kernel on a clean install Rom with only elixir as added app. Idk I probably overheated the processor somehow.
[HTC Rezound] mikion123:
The kernel is known to spike something we will have to deal with til we get the ota
[HTC Rezound] :
Oh I thought the kernel was fixed in the latest leak. Maybe that's why official hasn't been released yet.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
Hmm I enabled animations and everything seems really fast. i can see if you don't have animations enabled that it might look laggy. But there are supposed to be animations on the stock Rom and there aren't. You can re-enable them in Ineffabilis GB version. And you can set the speed. My phone isn't laggy at all. It doesn't even taken a second to open a huge app that isn't cached. By the time the animation fads in and out whatever I'm looking at is loaded already.
[HTC Rezound] :
I may just have the wrong animation settings. What are they suppose to be set at?
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
I have mine on fast now. But standard is probably normal
[HTC Rezound] tCizler:
+2
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
I'm on Chingys 3.6 Rom and I'm seeing no slow downs, ever.
[HTC Rezound] :
But what is the animation scale and transition suppose to be set to. 1.5? .5? Also should I use force gpu on ICS?
[HTC Rezound] JeffDenver:
You can force the GPU on ICS? How do you do that?
[HTC Rezound] :
Settings>Developer Options>Force GPU Rendering
[HTC Rezound] Jason L:
I would tend to agree Mine has been laggy from day 1.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
Does that make any noticeable difference??
[HTC Rezound] :
I think it does with graphically intense rendering, like games or in the web browser. It doesn't with transitions really between menus and what not. It just forces the GPU to do the graphics rendering instead of sometimes using the processor I think.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
No idea as mine aren't point values. It's not super slow but its not really snappy either. It's just a normal animation time. Idk how else to explain it lol.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
Forcing the GPU can really mess up applications that haven't been written to take advantage of forced GPU. For example, Fruit Ninja won't even open if you force GPU.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
to the op. have you tried to update firmware with the latest ruu and a fresh install of a rom with not app data restored at all. even data/data ?
[HTC Rezound] :
okay my s off rezound is fine I just had my animation transitions all messed up. Seems okay now.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] billebob:
There's at least 20-30 dust particles (very small though) near the bottom left that just showed up within the last few days.

I went to a Rogers store and they said it's not covered by the warranty. They also said that if I were to open it up and clean it then I void my warranty.

What are my options now? I've only had the Raider for about half a year.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Sector51:
Hi to all!

I'm having camera issues especially when making night pictures. The pics are very blurry and dark. And it seems like auto focus is not working.

You can see some examples on the site below, seems I'm not the only one having it:

http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/34345

I'm on .73 FW.

Will flashing a new rom solve my problem (because i think it's sofware related).

Please share your opinion.

Thanks!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Scratchling:
Try a third party app with good camera drivers.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] adsada arc:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=25202932#post25202932
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
When in low light the AF will be slower and hesitating. This is not unique to Xperia S. Any digital camera using AF(either phase detection or contrast detection) are like this.

This is also why on most digital cameras there is a "AF assist lamp" to help the low-light AF situations.

Try turn the video recording light on and make it the "AF assist lamp".
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] GT35pro:
The focusing capability of the built in app is not that good especially in low light. Scratchling is correct. Use a good third party app and you will see your focusing in low light improve.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] joaonds:
LGCamera is very good.

FX Camera Zoom, too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] uie:
Shutter sound of camera

I have lost my camera shutter sound eversince updated to .73 FW. I even tried re-installed rom via repair mode when connected to PC companion. After re-installed rom, shutter sound still not working. (Shutter sound "on" option was turned on).

Can anybody help?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sagr_ved:
Guys just tell me one thing

Is it hardware problem??

I m scared

Replaced my xperia s 3 times

God not again!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] joaonds:
Downgrade to 0.63 and re install 0.73, with FlashTools.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] adamtan:
try holding the shutter button down like how u will do it with a digital camera for it to focus
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sagr_ved:
The problem only occurs in low light!

In day time the phone camera is working like a charm

No problems during the day!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dgattenb:
Get camera zoom fx, loads better then the built in camera
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Scratchling:
Similar issues. Stock camera app is a bit dud.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] smallz2k:
Really..I find the stock camera awesome the only complaint really is the time it can take to focus sometimes but will give that app mentioned a try :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] smallz2k:
Does anyone know if it's possible to get real night vision on a mobile cam?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] adsada arc:
Can anyone report that this issue doesn't exist using third party apps? So it is just software related then? (hoping!):rolleyes:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Scratchling:
Its an interesting idea, maybe with an IR illuminator, but somebody would probably need to write custom drivers for each ccd.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Probably an IR light and a massive driver hack, assuming that our sensor reads IR levels. Still a crazy hack and will probably be hard to switch back and forth.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Scratchling:
Is the exact sensor listed in the white papers?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sagr_ved:
its happening in every camera app in night!!

in day its all fine!!

hope this is a software problem!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SEFanX10i:
Guys, you need calm down. Remember this is a smartphone with a tiny sensor and not a DSLR :)

As for the focus going off issue - DO NOT USE SCN Auto Mode !

I suggest don't use night scene mode in low light situations (Scene Mode - OFF) Get the EV to say + 0.5-0.7 and choose ISO 100 or 200 (200 will have more noise though). You can use touch focus or infinity focus and hold the phone steady and let it focus for about 10-15 seconds.

Also I tried third party camera apps and though the file sizes are definitely bigger, I don't see any difference in quality ( though third party apps focus quicker they don't focus quite as well as the stock app)

So I would say play around with the stock camera app and give the sensor some time to focus. If you notice that the camera is not focusing at all even after 15-20 seconds, exit the app and open the app again.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
As a amateur photographer, I would say the op seems to have too much hope on a smart phone camera. AF never works good in low light condition, even on mid high range DC and DSLR. That's why we have AF assist lamp or we use flashlight.

Sensor size is one thing, the size of lens is also another problem with this camera. These are not hardware defects, but hardware limitations.

If you really want to take night photo, it would be unwise to rely on your phone.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
Apart from not using the auto scene detection camera, also try to play around with the metering mode and focusing mode in stock camera app. Spot metering and multi auto focus help improve my photo shooting on this phone. Exposure setting is also another thing to improve the brightness of photos in low light condition.

As for ISO, this phone have horrible ISO noise if set above ISO 200. So I would suggest to use exposure setting instead of setting ISO value for low light shooting.

Still, I don't suggest using this phone for night shooting.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pezo:
Considering it has a sensor the size of a pinhead I'm surprised about the noise performance at ISO higher than 100 ;-)

But of course nothing compared to a decent camera.

Sent from the Delta Quadrant using a transwarp conduit.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lal pradeep:
Don't repair your firmware try to update your phones software using SEUS I had problem with camera which popups unknown error when I try to capture stills this problem was found now and then but after updating my phones software its gone

I love the camera and music player of my phone to the most:-)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] newdon07:
camera in our SXS is not that good i think arc s can click better images in low light!! m also facing focusing issues and low light images are just disgusting, whenever i try to click image in low light condition with flash it produces a yellowish image!!! anybody else facing this issue???
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Hermantje:
The camera is really not that bad, for a phone. However, one thing that did (and still does) annoy me is the level of colored noise in auto-mode.

Coming from a Nokia N8 I might just expect too much of its camera, But still I do think Sony could've made it a little better. As far as I've heard Sony also supplied the iPhone 4s' camera module, yet that one takes better pictures (in my opinion) with less noise. I haven't exactly noticed any focus failures except when I try to shoot pictures in the middle of the night. I've never found myself struggling in that case, since I don't regularly want to take pictures of something my eyes can't even see :P

It is weird though, that when I set the camera to night mode without flash, the images actually turn out quite good, even showing natural colours compared to my previous Nokia N8 which would've made the picture yellow..

Nevertheless the camera is great for a phone, even superb for Android (no offense to Android though). Such a shame being unable to play with my Xperia S because of the yellow tint issue... That's the only thing I dislike about this particular phone D:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] GT35pro:
All cmos sensors do not work well in low light. Only the older ccd sensors in prosumer camcorders perform adequately ( not excellent) in low light. Camcorders like the old Sony PD170 and the big Z1 performs great but they have manual gain control. Most consumer cameras have auto gain and will bump up the bringtness in low light causing the visible grain/noise. Some cameras shoot in low light but the pictures that look like daylight with lots of noise. For the price, this camera is already very good.

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The iphone4 probably has superior noise reduction processing built in.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
I am having this issue to.. and I come from a Satio and it really didn't have any problems in low light with the focus except it sometimes gets few little bubles.. the xperia s camera is great but i thinks they should somehow improve this.. via software updates perhaps? or ICS?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Hermantje:
You're saying it could all be solved with a firmware update? I definitely want to believe you right now, but I just think that noise is because of the camera module rather than some software not being optimised.

Sure, it could be improved a little bit, but going as far as the iPhone 4s regarding color noise... Meh, I don't think that's possible. I'm not saying the iPhone 4s is the best though, just the camera is, well, quite good actually.

I had the Satio before my Nokia N8, and I must say that the night mode of the Satio was superb, even now compared with modern cameraphones.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
I agree with you Satio camera is great but I really don't think 4s's is beteer.. xperia s has deffinitely better camera than iphone

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i actually can manage to take better photos with these tricks.. but their still noisy at low light

but i really don't get it cause a lot of time the green focus box show but the picture its blurry or it not iluminated(despite the flash did shoot) it is very disturbing look http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/34345 and still no solution or improvement
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
I really guest it could be a flash problem rather than a slow focus or maybe both cause the flash just doesn't illuminate well.. The video is great just a bit noisy.. Is it a extended problem like screen issue? I guest all of the S users experienced this I am on .73 12w16
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gm007:
Try to use those settings:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
Are you also having issues?

What other free camera app can do the job better? And please is it SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE PROBLEM? Thanks
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
Like I said in previous post, it's not a software or hardware problem, but a hardware limitation. Granted, u don't have large lens and sensor, u will never get good result in night photography. I think the One X has a better sensor, and I know the iPhone 4S has better lens. That's why they score *slightly* better than the XS. Still, they are not even close to some entry level prosumer digital cameras like the Canon S series or the G series, which sometimes cost less than your phone.

Using other camera application might help a bit, but fundamentally the change will be insignificant. I myself did try a few apps only to return to the stock app, because some of them may have faster focus but the focusing quality is more often hit and miss. Some of them also add saturation onto photos to improve the colours but they are not that accurate.

So let me repeat myself, If you want good night photos, go get a proper digital camera. :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
Ok but 2010 Satio had better quality at night and this is a 2012 flagship so I really don't get it
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
Stock camera app. Auto focus works like a charm. Unless you are focusing on things that are pitch dark, the auto focus is not bad at all.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
Another one. Still using stock camera app.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] GT35pro:
Here's what I know from many years of shooting videos. If you want to shoot low light, you will need to go full manual, or as manual as you can get. Usually with consumer camcorders, there is auto gain which tries to brighten the entire picture causing grain. Try setting exposure to negative so blacks remain black and dark colours remain dark. Only the higher end prosumer camcorders have manual gain so you can lock it down. If only sony includes a manual gain setting in the new update. It will produce much better less noisy low light pictures. The settings shown on the previous page are pretty good and as manual as you can get.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
I found good results with ics camera in low light but I guest that it is apart from the autofocus mostly a flash one that doesn't illuminate well