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[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
Blur is getting ICS soon. Moto sent out soak test emails so everyone on the razr side is expecting it next week... but moto max is 199 and a locked boot loader.... sigh
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] wpbear:
I would get the Bionic if it comes available in time. Removable battery and pretty cheap.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dLo GSR:
ugh, was really hoping it would come out today.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] enderblue:
Verizon is the Inc 4G Nazi... "No Inc 4G for You!"
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dpwhitty11:
Get the GSIII... That's what I did. Get to keep my unlimited data, and it'll be here at the latest the first/second week of July.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] eng3:
So if the Inc4g comes out on 6/28 and I buy it on that day, would I still keep my unlimited? If this is true and the Inc4g doesn't come out, it sounds like the smartest thing to do would be to buy a Samsung GS3 to hopefully extend the date. It doesnt sound like its a guarantee that it will let you hold your unlimited but it has a higher chance of working than doing nothing. It will just get interesting when the Inc4g doesnt come out til August.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dpwhitty11:
If you do it BEFORE the 28th, you WILL keep unlimited. Not sure what happens if you try it ON the 28th though.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
Now I have to decide which do I value more... Sense 4 or Unlimited Data? And I'm pretty sure I'm leaning towards Sense 4, which means I'll continue to wait for this phone to be released.

I regularly use over 2GB of data, but I suppose I can curtail my usage a little by setting my podcasts and market updates to only download over wifi. I'm pretty sure if I'm smart about my usage and keep a close eye on it with the now built-in data monitoring tools I can stay under 2GB without too much inconvenience.

I'd much rather sacrifice a little on the data front to not have to limit my ROM options to only TouchWiz or AOSP.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kg_jettaIV:
So I guess I'll be getting a Rezound or Galaxy Nexus from Best Buy in the next few days. I'm Reward Zone Premiere Silver Member and they just extended the return policy from 45 days for members to 60 days so I'll be getting one of those and hoping it comes out in the next 60 days. That way I'll get my unlimited 4G and an Inc 4G when it finally comes out.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
Will that work? People have spent the last few days arguing about whether one can keep unlimited data through a return, and it seems like the consensus is that although a few may get lucky, it won't work.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kg_jettaIV:
Best Buy works a bit differently. When you exchange a phone it does not affect your contract. They will exchange the phone using subsidized pricing and then just simply perform a hardware swap on your account. I'll double check with my wife later but that's the way it should work.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
Interesting... so then I have to consider whether the possibility of being able to get an Inc 4G with unlimited data outweighs the loss of the Verizon warranty support. As enticing as it sounds, I still think I prefer to buy direct from Verizon.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] eng3:
I know that talking to verizon reps are not very reliable, but this is what I got just now:

I think I will still go with the strategy though.

if I keep waiting I will definitely lose unlimited. If I try this, there is a non-zero chance.

Although this bestbuy thing sounds interesting
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] ohredwood:
So, right now, pretty damn bummed they are not releasing this phone yet and then try and pull the ole smoke and mirrors that starting next week, I'll have unlimited minutes, unlimited texts and share my data with those on my plan, plus as a real big bonus, I'll have mobil hotspot now.

Well Woopty damn doo. I don't use more than 500 minutes a month myself, I don't text more than 500 texts a month even though I got that 5000 for 20 bucks or something, and I got my own damn wife tether, your mobil hotspot ain't doing me a lick of good, so tell me why again, I ought to be psyched about this plan, oh that's right this is for all the unrooted, folks out there......In another 90 days, I'll be deeeeevorced, so I ain't got anyone else to share my dang minutes with, so that's a pointless addon also.

Anyway....What I do want is an upgrade, and the size of this phone just works, but I'm not paying any fool 600hundy's for it, guess I'll have to mull this over for the next 6 days big time.

Anybody know, what happens if we don't make any changes right away, they gonna phase my junk or change it or whatever anyhow? The price?
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
I think there's another thing to consider for anyone who might want to just hang onto their unlimited and buy their new phones off-contract...

If you, like me, are still on a 3G unlimited plan, there may be some issue with buying a 4G phone off-contract and just trying to activate it. Can you just walk into Verizon and ask for a sim card? I thought I recalled that there was some sort of verizon-fu they had to do on their end to change the 3G unlimited on your account to 4G unlimited... something they may not be able to do after the 28th?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

If that is correct, people may need to use their upgrade on a 4G phone NOW to get into the 4G unlimited realm, and then proceed to buy the rest of their phones off contract.

As much as I don't want a Rezound, I'm starting to feel like it may be a good temporary solution... I can get a Rezound today for pretty cheap and get the 4G turned on on my unlimited. I'll get some new headphones for free, which I needed anyway. Then, I'll put up with the Rezound for a little while until maybe January when I'll probably be able to pick up a used Inc 4G for less than $200 (and it'll probably come with accessories).

As much as I hate the Rezound, it will (or already does?) have unofficial Sense 4, which might be enough to distract me from all the things I don't like about it. And at the end of the day, I will have spent probably the same as or maybe less than I would have on the GSIII, and I will have been able to stick with HTC and unlimited data all the way though.

I guess have a lot to think about over this next week.

The way I see it, these are my options right now:

Get a GSIII and keep my unlimited. I will like the phone, but hate the OS and be stuck with it for 2 years.

Get a Rezound keep my unlimited, buy Inc 4G used in 6 months. I'll dislike the phone for the first 6 months, but at least I'll have the UI that I want, which is arguably more important than the hardware. And I get free headphones.

Get an Inc 4G on contract, lose unlimited. This plan get's me both the UI and the hardware that I want for the least money and at the earliest available time. The only downside is the loss of unlimited data.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
OR get the GS3, use it for a few days and see if you like it, then if you dont; just sell it online and use the money to buy the Dinc4G off contract. A lot of people had this idea in mind
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
Yes I suppose that is another option, but having to sell the SGSIII adds another layer of complexity, effort, and (most importantly) risk to the process.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Makaveli1490:
Still no word yet? Verizon :(
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] eng3:
If you dont like the SGIII, another option is to root it and try different ROMs. Sounds like it is a popular phone so there will prob be lots of roms. I wonder if anyone will try to create a sense-like rom.

As for unlimited, the most I've ever used is 1GB in a month (usually if I am tethering) so I'm not too concerned. Although, I dont know if my usage will go up with 4G.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] doeboy711:
edited post...wrong thread
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
Ever since someone mentioned Cosco return & exchange policy being 90 day's I've thought about other sources to purchase a handset. This is what I can decipher from best buys mobile website about returns/exchanges.

http://bestbuymobile.com/2012/05/15/your-guide-to-refunds-and-exchanges/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=your-guide-to-refunds-and-exchanges

I'm no lawyer/best buy expert.... but it seems that you the carriers still have us by the balls... If you return a device even to best buy it seems to still go through the carrier, but I'm gonna check today with a person at my local best buy. Seems like if you return your carrier could charge the 350 early termination fee
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
He was probably talking about the Inc 4G, since that's the topic of the thread.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
If my logic is correct.... the safest/cheapest way is buy a quality phone now that will resell on Craigslist/Swappa for a high enough price to cover the DInc4g at full price. :/ But Anyone with more insight on the actual process of returning a phone to BB or Costco? Anyone return a phone post the 14 days that verizon gives you? I think that situation would be best to compare to our current situation. If its during the 14 days no one would really notice the cancellation of an upgrade since nothing usually changes. If its post you would notice a difference since it usually means ETF. Thoughts?
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
It will. LTE uses a lot more data. I think this month I've used the most data, like 1.6 gbs so far, and my cycle ends in a week so ill prob get to 2 gigs. Now with LTE and a more capable phone, my usage will skyrocket up because ill be doing online gaming and video/music streaming. I expect 5 gigs a month minumum when I get the S3.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] PhillyCheez:
verizon blows.

looks like i'll be pre-ordering an S3 and just sell it BNIB. That or an iphone which should sell easily.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] mclass55:
If I buy a Rezound online to day and in lets say 13 days the Incredible comes out, can I return the Rezound at a Verizon store or do I have to ship it back through
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] KrisPeezy:
All upgrades starting on the 28th will be forced to drop their unlimited data. They have the option to either keep their current usage plan with the 2gb and so on tiered data like it's been for the past year, or to change their plan to the all share plan for a stupid amount.

if you wish to keep your unlimited data after the 28th, you either have to provide your own device or purchase it at full price from verizon.

4g sim cards are free from verizon, so upgrading from 3g to 4g unlimited shouldn't be a problem
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
You have to ship it out. They send you a prepaid return address label. You also use the box they ship it out in. So keep the FedEx box too and everything else they send. It takes about 5 business days for them to process the return (Depending on Location). They clearly state in the packing you can't return it via store.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] mclass55:
I am not so sure about that. I think moving from a 3g plan to a 4g plan would cause you to lose the unlimited after June 28
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
That (what mclass55 said) is what I'm worried about. The sim card may very well be free, but I'm pretty sure Verizon still has to do something to "turn on" the 4G on your line... and they may not be able to do that after the 28th.

I'm also curious how that will work for people who currently have a 3G phone and have preordered the SGSIII. Yes, the order date will be before the deadline, but it seems they'd run into trouble with activation. Surely they've though of this though... so I'm not really worried about that, just a little curious.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] wpbear:
I gave up and Pre-Ordered a SGS3. The pre-order site for Verizon is weird compared to the regular order process. I don't have a warm and fuzzy that something wont get messed up, either my unlim data or my $20 Talk/Text + Data Discount......crossing fingers!
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] KrisPeezy:
Wouldn't this be a perfect example of why it shouldn't be a problem going from 3g to 4g after the 28th?
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] demarcmj:
Yes, but it's not enough to make me feel 100% confident.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] oluchika:
Just saw this post regarding additional info about its possible release date.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/21/incredible-4g-lte-pushed-back-to-july/
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
Maybe July 5th
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] KrisPeezy:
this might help a little. I just came back from the verizon store and explained the possible situation. Bringing in a phone, and having to transfer from a 3g phone to 4g after the 28th.

she said that what they would do is an ESN change, so it shouldn't affect anything in your contract or data plans.

I did my best to explain it to her clearly so she wouldn't get confused, and I'm pretty sure she got what i was trying to tell her.

and then I asked about the Dinc 4g LTE, and there was nothing but bad news... as someone else posted above, it's been delayed yet again. I've given up all hope on this phone now. Keeping it from mid april release till now is ridiculous unless they've been busy upgrading the RAM and installing the HTC image chip, but who am i kidding?
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] mclass55:
You can't do just a simple ECN swap going from a 3G phone to a 4g phone, it takes a different data plan, 4g plan and that is how they will get you after June 28
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kg_jettaIV:
Just confirmed this with my wife, when you exchange a phone within return policy at Best Buy all Verizon sees it as is a hardware swap.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] oluchika:
I went by the store today to activate my Rezound from the Incredible 2 and they did swap the ESNs and give me a new SIM card, however I also had to acknowledge/sign some agreement. Probably for the 4G plan. I was planning on holding out, however I decided that it would be best to activate the phone before the 28th. I got it used and was told by a rep when I visited the store 2 days ago that swapping from 3G to 4G after the 28th would not affect my unlimited data, but seeing as I had to sign the agreement, I'm starting to think otherwise.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kzoodroid:
I just recieved my Rezound yesterday and activated the 4g sim card over the phone following the directions that came with it. There was something I had to agree to by saying yes but didn't really pay attention to what it was. I'm almost certain that it said by activating the card I was agreeing to the terms and conditions of my new 2 year contract. That would make sense since I had not signed one in person.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] oluchika:
Mine was activated under my same contract as I did not buy it from Verizon, which is why I am thinking that whatever I signed was regarding the switch from a 3g to 4g unlimited plan.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] qbnlykwhoa:
I called verizon customer service today and was told that unless I use my upgrade ,which renews the 2 year contract, then I can swap any phone I like even if it is from 3G to 4G and my unlimited data will not be affected.

My only dilemma now is which phone to buy before the 28th. I'm thinking of getting the 64GB iphone since it holds it value very well. Make more money down the road when I sell it.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] mclass55:
So now the release date is set at July5. My question is do all new Verizon phone have a pre order day? I know most high end phones do. But since the Increible is listed as a mid level phone, I am not sure if this one will. And any chance that day would be before a Thursday?
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] eng3:
So if I understand correctly, if one wishes to keep their unlimited and also get the inc4g (or any phone that won't be released til next month), they should just goto bestbuy and purchase a 3g/4g phone now then exchange it next month.

I've been waiting so long for this phone, I keep forgetting it isnt really THAT great. The main reason I want it is because of its size and that its HTC. Otherwise I'd prob get a SGIII. Maybe I'll goto best buy and pick up a Galaxy Nexus to try out for a month. Then exchange it for a SGIII or Inc4g. Assuming Best Buy will carry either of those in a month.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] HypostaticOnion:
At this point it almost looks like the inc2 will get ICS before the inc4gLTE hits lol.

Sent from my KangBang'd out vivow
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dLo GSR:
verizon destroyed this phone's viability before it even had a chance.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
July 5TH
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] ohredwood:
I guess that's the cover for the Inc 4g? But it really doesn't matter if it's July 29th or Jul 5th, or Dec 2014. Their ultimate goal is do away with unlimited data, and unless you are willing to pay full off contract price for a new phone, I just don't really see how any of us are going to get around this.

I normally like to see a phone come out for a month or two and then see how the users like it, but this one, I was willing to race in before the 28th and just buy the darn thing to get it and keep unlimited intact.

I honestly feel now if it's past the 28th, which I know it will be, then there is no longer a panic, I'll use my unlimited currently see how folks shake out and the phone itself, then get screwed into the shared plan a month or two down the road, I guess. :(
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] PhillyCheez:
well... this sucks and so does verizon.

such bull**** what they are pulling right now.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] itsmefu:
Agreed. I'm sure HTC isn't happy either.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dbrits:
So I visited both Sam's Club and Best Buy today to see what information I could get from the employees and I ended up with two very different stories.*

Once I explained my situation to the Sam's Club employee and asked him if I would be able to keep my unlimited data if I upgrade to a Rezound and exchanged it for an Inc4G within 30 days, he said it wouldn't be a problem. He said all they would do is call Verizon and do an ESN swap. However, he was under the impression that if anyone on my family plan upgrades then we'd all be forced onto a Share Anything plan. From all that I've read, this isn't the case, so I left feeling like the employee really didn't know what he was talking about.

The two Best Buy employees said they were just informed today that they wouldn't be able to do a hardware swap like they have in the past. They were going to be "very strict" about it and would be required to upgrade the plan at the time of the hardware swap. So, if I upgraded to a Rezound before the 28th and tried to exchange it within 30 days for an Inc4G, I'd still lose my unlimited data. That being said, one of the employees said they already have the Invisible Shields in stock and that the updated release date in their system is July 5. There's also a picture of the Inc4G in their June buyer's guide.

I plan on visiting a different Best Buy on Sunday afternoon and making the same inquiry. We'll see if I get the same story because I'll have to upgrade from my original Inc by Wednesday.

I swear, I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship with Verizon. I hate all this crap.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] eng3:
for what its worth, I was thinking of doing a similar thing with costco. I wanted to pre-order a samsung galaxy sIII, then exchange afterwards. Plus costco gives me a $25 rebate and some accessories.

I "verified" with verizon that if I preorder through costco, I'd be able to keep my unlimited.

I was at costco today and asked the guy at the kiosk about this. I first asked him if I could keep my unlimited and he said he has no idea and they have given him no info regarding that. Then, regarding exchanging the phone, he said I can only exchange within 14days per verizon's policy. He said the 90 day policy is a "warranty" where if there is a problem with the phone, they agree to exchange with a brand new phone (versus a refurbished one).
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] polarimetric:
You would all be forced onto a data share plan if the person that upgrades on your family plan chooses to go with the data share plan, but the person that upgrades can choose one of Verizon's individual tiered plans (the ones they offer now/before June 28th) to avoid that.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kg_jettaIV:
When you exchange a phone at Best Buy under return policy there are two separate steps. First they exchange the phone in Best Buy's point of sale system. Second they use their activations system to do a hardware swap. All Verizon sees is that you're swapping phones, it doesn't matter how or when this happens, especially a 4G phone to a 4G phone. It does not affect your contract in any way, it would be just as if you had bought a phone outright and had it activated on your account.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] polarimetric:
But I think dbrits's point is that they are no longer going to be able to do it that way, probably because Verizon was privy to the fact that people would use it to keep unlimited. Unless, of course, the employees are just misinformed.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Div033:
I just pre-ordered a GS3 today. Sorry HTC, verizon apparently does not like you.

Maybe ill exchange it for a Dinc 4G. If they say I'll lose my unlimited data then I'll go the ebay route.

Sent from my Droid Incredible using the XDA app.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] loonix:
Just did the same. Have had the Inc since Day 1 :(
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dbrits:
Yes, exactly. The information on this forum has been extremely helpful, and I visited Best Buy hoping to get confirmation that returning a Rezound after June 28th within a 30-day window would be a hardware exchange and thus allow me to keep my unlimited. I sincerely hope that the employees were simply misinformed, and in part that's why I plan on visiting a different Best Buy on Sunday to see if I'm given the same story. The only thing which makes me believe that this might be a new development is that the employees said they learned of this just this morning.

If Best Buy won't allow a hardware exchange after the 28th without upgrading my data plan, I may try my luck with Sam's Club. I suppose I can live with a Rezound until the Inc4G shows up on Craigslist or Swappa at a reasonable price.

Yes, and I started to explain this to the Sam's Club employee but stopped short because I figured it would be a waste of breath.