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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
Help Uncle SeanZ Help You!

Note: When you donate and post your screenshot, include a simple message stating the overall amount that has been donated to SeanZ during the Unclefest.

Alright ladies, gentlemen, mofos, mofoettes, ROM flashing fiends, and fellow members of Uncle SeanZ's cult. It's time we make a concerted effort to take care of our highly talented and dedicated developer: Uncle SeanZ himself. Buy this man some beer or something!

I propose an 18 hour fundraiser for Uncle SeanZ. Simply go to the original post of this thread and click his "Donate" button to hook him up via PayPal. It doesn't matter if you've previously donated, even if it was just yesterday. Let's all come together to do something above and beyond for Uncle SeanZ, who frequently does the same for us. Yesterday was a payday for many of us, so let's pass on a little bit of love.

I propose the baseline recommended donation is $10. This could be huge for the Uncle if we all work together to take care of him. If you can do more, then feel free to do so. If finances are tight right now, simply give him whatever you can.

I've attached my initial donation to the 18 Hour Unclefest. I started with my $10, plus I threw in an extra $10 in case one of you SkyICS maniacs is in a precarious financial state right now and can't contribute.

To make the 18 Hour Unclefest interesting, I will personally fund a Bonus Payment for the Uncle under the following conditions...

-All donators post screenshots of their donations until 2pm EDT tomorrow.

-Total donations exceed $300.

-The Bonus Payment will equal 10% of the total amount donated to Uncle SeanZ by 2pm EDT tomorrow.

If this thread donates $250 to the Uncle, then he'll receive $250. If the thread donates $500 to Uncle SeanZ, then he'll receive $550 because I'm adding an extra 10%.

So PLEASE, my fellow SkyICS maniacs, click the donate button and take care of our dear comrade so that he can keep taking care of us.

Note: When you donate and post your screenshot, include a simple message stating the overall amount that has been donated to SeanZ during the Unclefest. For example, if the next donator gives $10, he will post:

because my initial $20 and the next poster's $10 equals $30. Just look at the previous donation post and add your donation to the total!

So here we go...

Uncle SeanZ's total donation count is now $20!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] skyrocketeer:
Your phone will be rooted if you flash this ROM.

But the warning says you can't flash update 16 BECAUSE most people won't have 30mbs free space. I have 59mb free space. I just need to double check.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] rkub:
Damn I really like the initiative you're taking here but unfortunately I'm currently unemployed and studying for my cpa exam which are very expensive to take... I really wish I could donate but it's gonna have to wait til I get a job... :( Hopefully others aren't in my position and sean gets a nice little gift...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
No worries man. I guess you are hereby the claimant of my extra donation. I'm confident we'll all pull together to take care of the Uncle. I encourage you to take a look at your situation and toss him a mere $2-3 if possible!

Good luck with the CPA. My wife closed it out about a year ago. It took her about two years because she was simultaneously studying and doing the NYC businesswoman thing. She's very glad to have that behind her. You'll get there.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] androidsc:
Rent and child support got me.. But when I get my taxes back for the last 3 years.... Major$$$ coming your way Seanz, sorry I couldn't make the donation fest
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Juicy92:
So is 16ish or 16 the newest version. I am going to flash this right over stock base after I finish flashing the 5base and modem.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] bahairus:
From the OP:

"SKYICS 4.2E -16ish( UPDATE nonwipe FOR FRESH BASE 5 INSTALLS )

use the xda search function to find answers they have all been answered

SKYICS 4.2E -16( UPDATE nonwipe)

(WARNING IF YOU ADDED BACK SOUNDS AND/OR NOT ON BASE 5.... DO NOT FLASH THIS BC YOUR SYSTEM/ DIRECTORY NEEDS ATLEAST 30MBS FREE)

use the xda search function to find answers they have all been answered

"

One of these is for fresh base 5 installs. Guess which one. :cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] ReedX50v:
Then you will want 16ish. If you odin flash Stock you don't have reflash the modem.

You will only want 16 if you are on Base5 Update 15 or below.

(Eh, ninja'd)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Bajanman:
Same here been with the SR since day one. And don't really need another phone because it's perfect the way it is. With Sean's excellent work on it. But will check out the S3, to c how out matches up! But please keep us informed on what phone u plan on moving to when the time comes. Because quite sure that most of us here would b willing to follow you to your next device...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] ReedX50v:
Base5 is mandatory. If you were on Base5+Update 15, then you would have to check your freespace to use Update16.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] rkub:
Thanks, it's taking me a little longer than expected but I'm trudging thru...lol

Also, thanks for the extra donation!!!lol Just kidding, took a look at my situation, and more importantly my paypal account and realized I have $5 in there so here ya go seanz!!

Confirmation number: 6EC57189JP049373H

Thanks for all the hard work!! Hope we can keep this train going!!

I think we have $25 now, or is it $35??

Nm, donation pot is at $25 now, cmon ppl let's show sean our appreciation and keep this goin!! I'm broke and I still sent him a beer that I could have been drinking...lol :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Locoman_:
Yeah, I'd follow Sean to another device but id have crappy convos with the wife explaining why..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] fwdkiller:
Never mind my previous post I got touch recoverery from Odin and it works great also I would like to get social hub to work.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
Also, if you lack the required 30MB free space, just use Titanium Backup to delete the apps you don't require (like AllShare or visual voicemail, for example) to free up some space. From there you can use Update16.

Sweet! Thanks for taking care of the Uncle that takes care of us. Total donation amount is now at $25. Keep it flowing! If we break $300, then I'm adding a 10% bonus.

Original Unclefest post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] seanzscreams:
Donation fest that is simply amazing beers and green always fuel the fire it is very time consuming for sure.. But i wouldnt do it if i wasnt addicted and for the love

But thanks everyone for being so cool ill gladly continue to make roms and updates and you know as soon as the next build drops ill be on it asap porting all of these tweaks to it

as far as the next phone ill def let you guys know

Thanks to all

Especially if youve donated today or overall

Edit**

datron absolutely amazing of you brother
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] androidsc:
Ok. Semi dev question here, how or can change the clock color on the PIN lock screen or Face Unlock? Would Decompiling the apks for face unlock and editing the xml work as well? Not even sure where to start with the PIN one. Would like to change colors of buttons too :D

All IcS zexy blue. can this be done?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] bigTINY779:
Donated two bucks... Sorry its all I can do right now. But know that I appreciate you making my phone as badass as it should be out of the box!

Now at $27
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] androidsc:
Me and my girl might have to come to Atl and light a few personal donations :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Nightimarez:
How do we use Xloud?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
Dig deep my man. See if you can toss in just a few bucks for our comrade like the last few guys. If not, no worries! SeanZ said it himself: he'll keep developing.

Excellent!!! 18 Hour Unclefest grand total now sits at $27. Keep donating to reach $300+ so the 10% bonus gets applied.

Original Unclefest post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] bahairus:
Unclefest!

Great idea with the Unclefest! I had donated before, but nothing wrong with doing it again. I am a sucker for a matching donation.

Total was at $27. Now we are at $47! :)

Let's keep it going!

Original Unclefest post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] seanci:
Thanks sean for the recent updates couldn't have asked for a better dev.

Sent from my SGH-i727 using Sky-ICS build 4.2e-16
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] brookfield:
Donation sent $20.00

PayPal 91S49937PF1224327

Love this ROM...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] eachitandi:
Is the "donate button" visible from the xda app? I'm not seeing it :( I have $20 with his name on it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] bahairus:
Nope. Try this link: http://xdaforums.com/donatetome.php?u=2783804
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
I've never seen it within the XDA app. Just open the thread via browser. Uncle SeanZ's donate link is right under his screen name in the OP. Give it a shot. Or you can use the direct donation paypal address: meshuggah1234@hotmail.com

Please post a screenshot of the donation if you can so that I can accurately calculate the bonus (because I KNOW we'll get there).

Total 18 Hour Unclefest tally is $67 thanks to Brookfield. Keep it up folks!

Original Unclefest post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148

**Brookfield, please post screenshot if possible bro!**
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] eachitandi:
$20
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
Unclefest

Cheers to eachitandi and treystegall (attached) for bumping up the Unclefest mania!

Total Unclefest tally to support Uncle SeanZ is at $107! Keep the cash flowing so we can break $300 and incur the 10% bonus.

Original Unclefest post here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148

To the many generous donators: please post a screenshot of your donation to ensure I can get an accurate tally for the Uncle's bonus payment. Thanks in advance!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] rob1216:
0VM36782KN674784H $10.00 Thanks Sean

Screenshot won't upload in app sorry

edit:Ok uploaded pic used Pc
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] bigTINY779:
+1. Tried to upload but said it was wrong format or something...idk.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
Unclefest reaches $117!! Keep it flowing! Uncle SeanZ deserves the bonus!

Using Uncle SeanZ's SkyICS R5 / XDA Premium
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] TheRomMistress:
Nevernind :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] peaster3:
Paul, please review your donation

To complete your payment, review the details below and click Donate. Visit Funding Sources to learn more about PayPal policies and your payment source rights and remedies, or to change debit card processing options.

Purpose	Donation amount	Total

Donation XDA Forums	$10.00	$10.00

Add special instructions to recipient

Total:	$10.00	USD

Payment Method:

PayPal Balance

Thanks Sean for all you do for the community.

Donation total should be $127.00
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
bigTINY, were you able to donate $10 but simply can't post a screenshot? I'm trying to keep an accurate tab on the total donations in order to calculate the Uncle's final bonus (because I KNOW we'll get there).

Incredible! Thanks peaster for tossing some cash into the pot for our comrade. Your Unclefest total appears accurate by my books (pending input from bigtiny above, which would increase it further).

Total Unclefest tally is $127! Keep it up so we can hit the $300 mark and incur a bonus for the honorable Uncle SeanZ.

Original Unclefest post located here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nrhpd527:
Add another $10 to the tally!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] neptronix:
100 percent amazing. Any known issues with the wifi tethering. Will insecure kernel work on this.?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] hitekredneck:
That's gotta be like driving a Ferrari on a dirt road.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] boobah204:
Set ultracfg to always on, reboot, and tethering is perfect. No freeze, no reboot, turns on and off and can be configured without flaw. Only issue is no shortcut. I have my fingers crossed that a 14 toggle will not disrupt its current functionality. (The zmods widget did not work for me, best left uninstalled I think)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] hitekredneck:
That's gotta be like Usian Bolt sprinting the 100 meters in a barnyard.

How many times you gotta put this out there dude, you trying to pump up your post count or sumpin? :rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] mrandygets:
Fixing permissions gives me a error

When I try and run the fix permissions through rom manager. It gives me a error " And error occurer while attempting to run privileged commands " Can you very smart peeps help me with this?

Thanks Andy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] neptronix:
Tried that but it kept turning off. I'm testing again it might have been an app that I had closing it. seems to stick now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] slam666:
Install busybox
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] mrandygets:
Dam that worked. Thank you very much. I saw it was in the apps list. But didnt realise it was not installed.

Thanks

Andy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] robin48:
Didn't work for me either.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] marshrunner757:
Install question

I'm new to all this. In the op it says to flash ODIN ONE CLICK. I'm assuming that the the file from the ODIN post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] rdavidowski:
Hello

I just tried to enter my passcode for AT&T Visual Voicemail app and it did not accept my code. It keeps saying that is an invalid code even though I am sure that I typed the correct one. I read somebody in a previous post asked for the VVM .apk; did you have this same problem or does anybody else tried using this. Any help will be appreciated.

Also can anyone post the VVM .apk to try an reinstall the app. to see if this works.

Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Dirtburgler:
Get the oneclick from kennethpenns post that he has on his site briefmoblile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] brookfield:
I have the same issue. I hope it gets fixed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] marshrunner757:
Couldn't find it. I think the ODIN link here on XDA is it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] pro_b:
Re: The Wallpaper issue people are having. I didn't see the resolution posted so forgive me if I overlooked it. But, I pulled the gallery3d.apk from system/app folder on the SkyICS rom where it was working and it works just fine. I'll post it if anyone want it.

I decided to post it anyway just in case.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] bobfin:
I know this is not good practice! But I had the same issues as a lot of you. But this work for me so far!. First flashed Waffleized UCLE2 Radio, then I installed the ROM over 4d with out wiping anything. Then I fixed permissions, Wiped Cache and Dalvik. Everything is working perfectly. Voice Mail GPS, Email. No lags no issues. Running for 23 plus hours so far.. I know you always wipe but foe it is working great did not have to set APN either.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] treadlightly:
Hey Folks,

I'm not totally new, but still lack a little confidence in the effing with my phone world. Sean's instructions say to ODIN one click. If I am already rooted using one click (GB) do I need to redo this? If so could someone explain why so I don't have to ask dumb questions anymore..

I was up on D-10 before and loved it, but didn't have to redo ODIN to get there.. wondering why..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] WheresWaldo:
This only works if your setup is new, If it's existing you still get the error forwarding message.

BTW it behaves exactly the same in the odin-one-click, so it really isn't skyics specific, there will probably be a new leak out shortly to squash the remaining bugs in 4.0.4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] iceman4357:
The ODIN Sean was making reference to was the leaked 4.04 posted by Designgears. Its an ODIN one click that flashes the entire leaked ROM. The ODIN you used is for gaining root. If you are already rooted, you don't have to use the one click ODIN ROM. You should be able to flash seans new ROM over top of your old one. People just like to flash the leaked ODIN ROM because it could help minimize bugs.

Hope this helps.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Steviemac12:
Hi Iceman,

Just a quick question. If he is coming from Gingerbread though, doesn't he have to do a full wipe etc, even to get from Gingerbread to 4.2E-1?

Steviemac
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Jrockttu:
Cmon dude. We already answered this for you this morning and I even made a freaking flowchart. Use your brain so we don't have to baby-bird everything to you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] NYFan:
I'm on update 11. I forget what BASE version I'm on. Do i need to wipe with 5 or can I go right to update 16?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Zinger17:
guys, i got through flashing the rom and the modem....i did all the data wipes as usual...but when i reboot, my screen gets stuck (freezes) on the ICS animation and keeps rebooting over and over and over! i cant even boot into CWM again!

Help! Am i bricked?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Juicy92:
Did you wipe cache after the installs?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Zinger17:
Yes i did!

I just got into CWM again....re flashed and re did the steps...same result though
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] RaudelJr:
Hi,

Does anyone know the best way to backup my droid's apps? I have a few applications that I want to make sure I do not miss my entered data, as well as my progress on some games.

Which is the best app for this, paid or free?

I want to do this backup before flashing the latest base 5 and 16ish update.

Thanks in advance.

Raudel
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Bone_Enterprise:
While this is quickly resolved by doing a web search.

Use Titanium Backup, and do yourself a favor and buy a pro key.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Jrockttu:
Read the change log. Sean posts the bases and updates in order.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Juicy92:
are you sure you flashed the base and not say update 16? the one you need is the first link
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nrhpd527:
Titanium Backup Pro....WAY worth the money if you want in on the "ROM Flashing" craze like most of us here...

Get the regular version first here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&feature

Get the pro key here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackupPro&hl=en <-- $6.58
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] RaudelJr:
Thanks a bunch,

I'll check it out.

Raudel
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Juicy92:
Flash base 5, it will wipe. I wanna say anything under 15 is an old base, but I am new to this subsection and rimming samsung in general. Im gonna say if you are 11 you need to get the new base
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Zinger17:
has no one had this freezing and resetting during reboot issue???
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] ReedX50v:
One-Click back to the Stock 4.0.4 leak.

Flash a Touch Recovery.

Start over.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Zinger17:
Thanks, trying it as we speak! Will report back with results

---------- Post added at 03:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:06 AM ----------

Ok i flashed the ROM with clockword touch and all was well..

But i then tried to install busy box (not successful)

i rebooted in cwm to install the update zip...

and now ive been stuck on the "S" for a good 5 minutes..normal??

Stuck for 20 mins...pulled out batter because it wouldnt reboot with the buttons...

Now im stuck at the "SAMSUNG" in the boot screen...what the hell!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] stoopendis:
I does take a while to reboot. Is it taking longer than 4 minutes?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] fongz27:
I bet zinger doesn't have a skyrocket.

Sent from my I727 rocket on Marz! @_@
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nap286:
Where else can I dl touch* recovery? From the playstore it says incompatible with device.

-4.2e16
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] sparker366:
You have Rom Manager on your phone. Rom Manager allows you to install that. I: am not sure if its in the free version or not. I have the premium and used that to install touch cwm and have never had any issues. If not there is an odin flashable in this post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1340526
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] cubanghost:
guys is there a way to fix the keyboard lag when selecting text or anything that tequires input it takes awhile to show.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nap286:
I was looking for something other than the Odin method..but I'll just do it..

Ncm found it here. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1704630
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] skyrockets:
CM9 now has BLN, any ETA when this ROM will?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] robin48:
Great work as always Sean.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] hitekredneck:
How many times must you all be spoon fed information? The touch CWM is right here -> http://sk8erwitskil.com/guest/skyrocket/CWMRT/ICS%20background-all/4.1/CWMR5504B14_INSTALL-4.1.zip which can be located in this thread ->http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1704630! Coincidentally, both of the above can be located in the forum ->http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1383. No Odin required, it is a CWM flashable zip file. This has been posted more than once in the thread you are currently reading.

C'mon, how hard is it folks?!?!?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Zinger17:
Hey guys, so I was up til 5 am working on this and I finally got it... My problem was mainly due to not using cwm touch...

Seanzcreams... Long live the king! Ics is fantastic!

Only thing is I has a bit of battery drain...

Also, what launcher are you guys using? I find go launcher has become laggy.

Thanks again to those that replied and helped me out last night! This forum truly rocks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Datron:
18 Hour Unclefest!

Awesome work from nrhpd527 and raythn!

18 Hour Unclefest total donation amount is now $157!

Keep donating more to Uncle SeanZ to break the $300 mark and enable the 10% bonus for the honorable Uncle SeanZ. Unclefest ends in 2 hours and 52 minutes. Let's pull it together to take care of the awesome developer that takes care of us. Dig deep in the pockets to express your support for SeanZ!!

Original Unclefest post found here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27501525&postcount=4148
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] phr0zen:
Yeah, Sean advised:

"-removed launcher from memory (helped tw ux but hurt all other launchers)"

I personally prefer the stock launcher over any others... call me simple :P. I just have no need for the gadgetry of the other ones, and the ones that are supposed to be slimmed down for speed just seem too squirrely to me