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[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] npompei:
I was going to do this but I hate to say it: im staying with my preorder. The new S3 seems future proof which will serve my unlimited data plan well down the road as I cling tooth and nail to it! This damn phone took forever and while it has great specs, its just going to lose out. This phone will need to blow my doors off to mentally and physically switch.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
I want to bring up an issue with the "switch" plan.... after you return your ... S3 or whatever before the 14 days you go back to your previous contract.. great terrific wonderful right? You can go and get the Inc 4g... but guess what! Its a new purchase and its AFTER June 28th.. meaning unless you plan to pay full price for the incredible they will try to get u out of your unlimited plan and into a shared plan. Either way its a loose situation b.c your also out 35 bucks for a "restocking" fee... your contract resets if you return a phone... doubt they will let u have ur cake and eat it too, so to speak.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] nattygirl:
Can someone point me in the direction of where it says unlimited plans end June 28th. I see that shared plans start that date, and speculation that that will lead to unlimited plans being terminated, but nothing that specifically says it ends June 28th.

I've seen posting that by pre ordering the gs3 that u can secure your unlimited data, but is that not the same with any 4g device that u purchase now. Hopefully, the Inc 4g will be out June 21st and this will all be a moot point.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
Several sites quote Verizon executive about Ending the unlimited plans when the share data is given as a option.. and shared data debuts on the 28th.. so the safest conclusion is A+B=C... or The 28th is when the unlimited subsidizing of phones is terminated.... most likely the case too... when companies change the service plans they don't do it in phases usually its a flip of a switch.. So most of us expect this type of **** move from them.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
I guess I should clarify tho.. its not that unlimited ends on the 28th. Its the fact that those with unlimited can no longer sign a contract to get subsidized phones
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
OK from another thread but it goes into better detail than what I did alone
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] nattygirl:
I had not seen that article yet. Explains a lot. Thanks.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
Unlimited data was a mistake all the carriers made before anyone realized how much the use of mobile data was going to take off. As much as we would all like it to stick around, it's not a business model that can be sustained. Imho I don't think sprint will be able to maintain it for long. Just like if these smaller carriers saw a huge spike in users they wouldn't either. You may think it's a **** move but they are giving people the option to keep it. People are just going to have to pay more to play.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] mclass55:
Hoping the phone drops tomorrow! Come on Incredible 4g!!
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] HypostaticOnion:
+1
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Senryo:
Could you explain why "unlimited data" is unsustainable? I still can't find a reasoning that's logical without an attempt to make additional money. My main questions are: does data transfer cause any maintenance requirements where more data = more maintenance? Are tower connections capped below the number of people that could potentially use it anyway, making large crisis calls unreliable? What makes cell-tower internet fundamentally different than land connection (dial-up, DSL, cable, T1...)?

It just seems... maybe not rude, but teasing that a company would offer internet that is as-good-as if not better than average home connections and then suddenly cap the alloted usage for it. Why implement the system at all? I don't see a point to going 100mph if I'm only allowed to drive an hour...
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
its unsustainable because service provides do not have enough hardware installed to handle the volume of usage that unlimited brings to the table.. everyone has limits, even home providers altho its extremely high ~300 g per month. It slows down the network for everyone when people take it to the extremes, and with the fact that everything streams now, service providers do not have the hardware installed to handle 100,000 people streaming high definition t.v shows @ 7.pm lol....

What i find as a **** move tho is that they forced us to get data to start with to make money.... remember the "premium phones" a few years ago, you had to have $10 data package and it was worthless.... no apps, browsing the net was horrible, but because it had "VCast" it was premium..... B.S! the alternative was a better phone with unlimited, which at the time the usuage was so low it was no big deal. Now since everyone is hooked on mobile data, lets take it away from you and charge you more... Thats a **** move IMHO.. Sure cap me if i go above reasonable amounts of data for long periods of time, but don't force me to pay more!!
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kzoodroid:
Bandwidth is a finite resource not unlimited. One analogy used to describe it is that it's like a water line, only so much can come out of it and the more people that draw off of it the slower it gets. So if everyone was drawing 20 - 50 GB a month out it could potentially come to a crawl especially in larger metropolitan areas. This is what happened to AT&T and the iPhone where initially in large cities like New York and San Francisco the demand for bandwidth far exceed the supply. So they had to invest 10's of millions of dollars into their infrastructure to meet the demand. This isn't any different than cable or fiber optics, the line can only carry so much bandwidth and the farther you are away from the junction and the more who draw off of it the slower your speeds.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] boomn:
Each "cell" in a cellular network is pretty similar to a wifi hotspot in that everyone connected to that tower shares the bandwidth of the "backhaul" data cable connected to the internet. To increase available bandwidth per user the cell providers have to get less people on each tower which means installing more towers closer together. They already do vary the density of tower installations a lot based on population density (i.e. a big city will have a lot more towers per area than a rural town) but towers and T1 lines are expensive and increasing the tower density nationwide isn't going to happen quickly or cheaply unfortunately.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Senryo:
The bandwidth answers are very enlightening, thank you.

That answers that question and the previous question to it. Basically they have more users on their network than they can actually host and hope that most of them won't need to use the service at the same time. And now that more are using the service at the same time, they're caught with their pants down by not adapting to a new average case.

Thanks for my little jaunt off topic.

Seems this will be my last Verizon phone. I'm starting to think pre-pay is a better option, but it could be these silly rose-colored glasses. The most reliable network doesn't seem so reliable anymore haha. Come on Inc4g! I don't really want a GSIII.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
Also the bandwidth is only as much as the backhaul can handle. I just got LTE out at my house. Which is the North side of the Denver metro area, kinda in the boonies. The reason we didn't have it sooner? Centrylink just finished up running their fiber lines out here. I'm sure they provide the backhaul in this area. Which means Verizon is using the same fiber line Centrylink is using for their home internet. So you can see how bandwidth quickly becomes finite.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kzoodroid:
I'm thinking of switching too as the cheapest plan I can get with my upgrade in July will be for $90 a month, a $10 per month increase and only 1 GB of data. If this phone comes out on the 28th or later I'm going to keep my Inc and stick with my old unlimited plan and just suck it up that I'll never get a new phone on Verizon. I'm even seriously considering T-Mobile and the One S even though TMo blows.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
Verizon is keeping it's individual plans along with the tiered data plans starting at 2GB.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] boomn:
I wish they would officially and clearly state that then! Unfortunately they haven't that I've seen. Yesterday they let the whole world of tech journalists fill the internet with articles about affordable individual smartphone plans going away and haven't released any correction or comment on these articles, and before that we had quotes like this from their CFO at an investor's meeting less than a month ago:
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kzoodroid:
From what I've read they are pushing everyone who signs up for new service or upgrades into shared data plans and eliminating everything else. Shared data is for 1 to 10 lines. For one phone its $40 for unlinited text and minutes + $50 for 1GB of data = $90. Cheapest plan under the new formula. My old plan, $40 for 450 minutes + $10 for 1000 texts + $30 for unlimited data will no longer exist, you will not have the option to pick and choose details of an individual plan anymore. Its a flat rate $40 per phone fro everyone then data starts at $50 for 1 GB and goes up. Thats all you can choose from.

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/55028254

Fran Shammo, CFO of Verizon Communications, which owns a controlling share of Verizon Wireless, first revealed the change Wednesday at an industry conference and it was first reported by Fierce Wireless, an online publication.

Verizon is expanding the latest generation of its wireless network, called 4G LTE. Customers wanting to upgrade phones from their current 3G data plan to use 4G LTE will be required to sign on to Verizon's new data-share plan to be introduced this summer, Shammo said.

The data-share plan, whose pricing hasn't been announced, will provide a limited bucket of data that can be shared among family members or devices.

"As you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto the data-share plan," Shammo said. "A lot of our 3G base is unlimited. As they start to migrate into 4G, they will have to … go into the data-share plan. And that is beneficial for us."
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
Here is a link to the article Verizon linked to on its Facebook page. Its on Droid life and I know how people feel about them... And I have a reliable source that tells me the same.

Edit: link

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/1...w-share-everything-data-plans/?cmp=SOC-000679
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] LyndenP:
That's the important part of the article.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kzoodroid:
Still not much of a bargain if its true as it would mean I will be reduced to 2GB of data for the same price I pay now for unlimited. I wish they'd just put out a pricing structure for everything and get it done with. If they keep the $40 flat rate for unlimited talk and text as an indivdual option then it would be worth it. I thought this was all about simplifying their plan structure?
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
I think the unlimited talk and text is just wool to cover our eyes. I already have both with my unlimited data thanks to Google voice.. I'll never give up my unlimited.. never I say!
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] cac2us:
Whet about OFF Peak Data???

It seems to simplify things for VZW. $$$$

It still punishes the user that want's upgrade at a discount and keep unlimited.

If peak bandwidth is what's causing all the pain, why not offer OFF peak data rate?

There can't too much going on at 03:00.

Here at the RV park when all the "Visitors" go to bed I do all my downloads.

At 6:00 to 10:00 PM, forget it. I have to use my unlimited data plan.

I still use only 700 mb. a month.

When I was with QWest I got "Notified" when I got up to 12 GB. LOL

There is just NO excuse for gouging the end user to cover the perks that are being offered to the corporate world.

GREED_GREED_GREED:eek:

Unfortunately, I see that this might go the way of the Lexicon, They will support it "IF you can find one...Ha Ha.

I would love to have one If I didn't have to bow down so far and hop all the hoops.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] ohredwood:
I don't want to get too far off topic but part of my post deals with that as well. I personally don't get a warm and fuzzy with an upgrade before June 28th. I was eligible like Apr 3 or something but was really kinda eyeing this new Inc 4G.

I don't think the greedy sob's over at Verizon are stupid, I'm sure it comes down to they see a huge demand for data, surfing, whatever, and they want in on it. The date of release on this phone has been so stupidly silent, it's frustrating. My gut tells me that it's gonna get released about the 28th of June, coincidentally the same time as their stupid new plans, that we wanted so bad, (yea right). Which means guess what, you will be paying 4-6 franklins for this phone if you want your unlimited data unscathed.

I also gotta say for one, I remain skeptical on the posts of folks preordering the GSIII, and looking to return it so they can get a Inc 4G, I just don't see that Verizon would be that stupid to allow the flood gates open for unlimited data on the 21st or by a loophole preorder, to allow the very thing they want to squash. My guess is when those folks return those GSIII's they will be paying not only a restock fee but their contract date will roll forward, which means shared data or full price of phone.

Not looking to get flamed and I don't work for Verizon, and I really hope to hell I'm wrong, but I really think they are delaying this for more than Apples bs.

On a side note, I do have the orig Inc, with unlimited data, stbxw has a stupid phone, and I think she is wanting to get on of those lame iphones. My question is, I would like to get the inc 4G, and hopefully before the 28th. Am I in a time crunch here to get us off this shared family plan now?? I don't want to possibly end up getting the Inc 4g, and somehow keep my unlimited data, only to have a divorce final in 6 weeks, and walk into Verizon store and find my individual plan now will be a shared data or lose my unlimited data process. Anybody have any thoughts on this, just wondering if the pressure is on to get on individual plans now or before the 28th that is...

Appreciate it...
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
If you sell the GS3, you're not returning it. You can then purchase the Dinc4g off contract with the money you made off selling the Galaxy S3. I'm not going to go through all that hastle though. Today I'm preordering the GS3 so I can lock into my unlimited data and will cancel my preorder next week if the Dinc4G comes out (which I don't think it will). However if it does not come out next week, I'll stick with the GS3.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dLo GSR:
ugh, when the F is this coming out...
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
Never. Ever.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] polarimetric:
That's pretty much everyone's attitude by now, I think. God, Verizon knows how to flub a launch like no other. I'm still loyal to my intent to purchase this phone, but if I was HTC, I'd be fuming from the likely lost sales their silence on this phone has caused. The SGS3 has completely eclipsed the spotlight.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kg_jettaIV:
I agree completely. Unless I hate this phone after I get it, it will be the one I go with, but I really hope that dev support is not harmed by this crap.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] polarimetric:
The only reason I don't think the dev support will suffer too much is the price tag. If it indeed launches at $199 with a $50 rebate, the unsubsidized price can't be that high (I'd expect $550 at launch), so resale prices (eBay, etc.) won't be too high. Many current devs for the Incredible use other phones as daily drivers and just use the Inc as an experimental dev phone--I could see some SGS3 developers picking up an Inc 4G for that same purpose. Only problem with that is that the development will be slow and delayed, but that's alright with me. I'll be satisfied with ICS/Sense 4.0 until the next big thing comes out, which probably won't be for another year anyway. The dev support will suffer some, but I don't think it's going to be fatal.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] sgt. slaughter:
This is getting ridiculous, imho.......I keep telling the wife to wait as this is the phone I was going to have her get for her upgrade....ish keeps taking longer and longer.....the woman does not like waiting. Lol.

The phone should of come out first of this month imho....makes no sense to release it in fall when they supposedly have a super HTC phone in the works....even august would be pushing it imho....
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] polarimetric:
The only diamond in the rough of this phone's release is if the rumored June 21 release date is true, this phone will be the designated upgrade-to-keep-unlimited phone you can walk away with rather than just preorder. However, knowing Verizon... well, I don't have to say it.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] cac2us:
I bet HTC is going to surprise us with a slider Merge 4G, YEA.

And the SG3 needs all the head start it can get.

This device will spank it raw.:eek:
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] dpwhitty11:
Oh God, yes please.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kg_jettaIV:
My wife just sent me a picture of Invisible Shields they just received at her store tonight. No sign of the phones yet, but this has to be a good sign.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
I heard some Best Buy stores received accessories at the beginning of the month, and cases started showing up two months ago. But I guess its good news anyways. I have my S3 preordered as of now though. I really want a smaller phone though... Seriously, Verizon release this phone next week! I don't want a giant S3!
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] kzoodroid:
I got Verizon to do my early upgrade 3 weeks sooner, instead of July 3rd, so I could keep my unlimited data plan. I just told them I don't want to lose my unlimited data and will you please see if I can move up my upgrade date. She checked with a manager and they said yes, apparently they can move it up 30 days. I had to order a phone right then and there so I went with the Rezound. If the Inc4g comes out before the 28th, which I seriously doubt now, I may switch once I see it. I do like the Rezounds 4.3 inch screen and it has a well developed community with a lot of ex-Inc owners in there. I really wanted this phone though and wish it had already come out but its not worth losing unlimited data over.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] wpbear:
Decided if no Inc 4G by 26 JUN then I am going with Razr or Bionic if they ever get more in stock online.

HTC will loose a long time customer. I have had only HTC smartphones since switching from a razr flip phone when those were first popular. Rest of the family went Moto this round and I may be forced to follow. Many satisfied HTC years but unlimited data is way more important.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] itsmefu:
Same with me, really wanted another HTC phone but I pre-ordered the GS3. Sucks that HTC will lose customers because Verizon is holding it so long.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
There's a lot of confusion going around so I'm not sure, but you may be able to return the GS3 within the 14 day return period and exchange for the Dinc4G and keep your unlimited data. I might try to do this if the GS3 is too big. If it comes out on the 21st though, you may be able to cancel your preorder.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] itsmefu:
Yeah that's what I'm worried about, I'll get the GS3 and won't like the 4.8" screen. I think 4.3" is perfect. I was driving by my local Verizon store today so I decided to stop and ask about exchanging and keeping my unlimited data. First thing I asked about though was the Incredible 4G and the guy waiting on me said I was mistaken, there wasn't such a phone. He said I was thinking of either the Incredible 2 or Rezound. After that I just said ok thanks and didn't even ask about exchanging and keeping my unlimited data, I don't think they would be able to help me. Doesn't Verizon make their employee's learn about phones that are going to be released? I was surprised they didn't even know what the Incredible 4G was.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] polarimetric:
I think that's just an employee overreacting to the suggestion that they keep new product info secret until official word comes from corporate HQ. Most tech companies don't want their employees running their mouths before an official announcement (Apple is undeniably the strictest when it comes to this, but it applies to all of them generally) and some employees take that to mean that they cannot even acknowledge the existence of a new product, even though it's been all over the internet and had a demo at CTIA. Either that or the employee really was that dense/disinterested in the products of his employer, which is possible, but I think it's more likely that it's just keeping things quiet.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Batttie:
[QUOTE ]some employees take that to mean that they cannot even acknowledge the existence of a new product, even though it's been all over the internet and had a demo at CTIA.[/QUOTE]

if its on the internet it must be true...

Seriously tho I don't think taking ur S3 back in 14 days will keep your unlimited.. I also fear Verizon will hold Inc 4g till June 28. :(
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] L0c0:
FWIW ...i stopped into a vzw store to see if they'd hint at the release date for inc4g and the guy said it was delayed because of the patent infringement lawsuit until DECEMBER!!!

SMH x[
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
You know you've given up on this phone when you read this and laugh. I doubt its delayed until December, and the reasoning of the patent infringement lawsuit is BS. The Evo released just a few days after the whole patent issue. But I bet they'll delay it as long as they can. The design of the S3 is growing on me... however I much prefer the Inc4G still. I wonder when they'll release this phone, and that's me wondering out of pure curiosity even if I can't get the phone.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] thatexan:
i think ive gota great idea about the dinc4g,, if it comes out on the 21st great we can all get it and keep our unlimited data and be happy,, if it doesnt come out by the day/day before they change to the all share plan then I'M guna preorder the GS3 just to keep unlimited and get a cheap price--- then whenever MY DINc 4G LTE comes out and is released ill just sell my brand new GS3 on ebay for 600.00 or more(the going rate on ebay now) then just buy the DINC 4G with that money from the SG3 out right from verizon or on ebay for most likely less,, so actually i might make extra money out of the deal and still get the DINC and get to play with the GS3 for a week or two whenever the DINC gets released! plus no restocking fee ;))

doesnt this sound like a plan????!!?! im surprised no one else has thought of this :))
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] NightxFall:
Many have thought of this lol. I just think its a hastle to sell stuff online. I may do this. I believe you have to activate the phone to fulfill the terms of your contract though, so you won't be able to sell it unopened. I plan to use the S3 as my phone until the Dinc4G comes out, and then I'll sell it for around 500$. I'll care for it extremely carefully though so I can sell it "like new." But if I actually like the S3, I'll keep it. Just the release the damn phone already Verizon and make my options easy.