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[Windows Phone 7 General] emdzej:
Still we don't know if current devices are upgradable.

It was just an example, there are a lot of devices that can be connected via bluetooth. Maybe this is not common but to give you example: lego mindstorms nxt :)

Yep... and with Tango and restrictions for 256MB devices, possible WP8 not for current devices it will begin to be the same with WP... sadly :(

In general.. it depends what you use your phone for and what you expect.

In my opinion WP is perfect for someone that just uses it call, text, share photos on facebook, but it lacks serious features, and it's API... gosh... it is so limited.

If everyone could use interop, not only "trusted" partners. This could change everything.

I really like WP... but it is not that kind of device I need to use every day.

3rd party apps can not integrate with the phone. I know that Microsoft dosn't want to promote google.. but wouldn't it be nice if someone could write an app that would provide google talk integration in message hub?

I need VOIP... real one, not some ****ty skype that dosn't run in the background, but real SIP. No luck.

WP reminds me times when phones had their own "OS" (not symbian) and apps were j2me...
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
I don't know your particular needs and what you may be missing as a result, but I can tell you that Office integration via SkyDrive is pretty sweet. Now that SD has a desktop client that syncs a folder (like Dropbox but 7GB for free), I can manage my simple spreadsheets from my phone. I'm in the process now of moving some trackings that I did on paper at a few stores to excel files that I can manage on my phone as needed, or from my computer. This is very handy as far as I'm concerned.

There's a lot to lose going to WP7, depending on your needs, but a lot to gain as well. WP7 makes the perfect "starter" smart phone. I like to geek out on my phones, like any Fandroid, but WP7 just makes me happy to use. I think it's the scrolling. :P

Good luck in whatever you decide!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Is there a comic book reader yet?

Also its not just the missing apps, the apps that are available are missing key features ie Game Time is missing the stream live games feature. Score Center doesnt have the Watch app to go with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Really? That's all Windows Phone is good for? What about the FREE GPS app that comes with every Lumia 900 with up to date downloadable maps? That one app is worth far more to me than 100,000 Andriod apps.

I use adobe reader, amazon kindle, a weather app, ebay, whatsapp, check three different email accounts and surf the web on my LTE phone. That's a pretty robust experience. The only thing that really irks me is the lack of good multitasking with whatsapp. I use skype for video calls and it works fine. I have unlimited mobile to mobile minutes so I can call anyone for free in the United States so there is little need for a VOIP service.

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You may find this hard to believe but I haven't checked.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
The funny thing is, I wish the multitasking on my Transformer was more like WP7 with saving the state.

To each their own...
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoorCollegeGuy:
Android has free GPS navigation, it's called Google Maps

Android is open source, so you can see how your phone is running (WP7 does not run on open source).

Android has a much larger development community.

Chevron can't touch our unlocked phones.

Live tiles, while cool, are extremely restrictive. If you don't want Metro UI then you're screwed. In Android, you can run iOS style if you want, or Metro UI or Android UI...your choice.

That's off the top of my head. Windows Phones are fine for people who only want a smartphone for the sake of saying they own a smartphone (much the same demographic as iOS). However, for serious tech enthusiasts and people who just want more out of their device, Android is the way to go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Thanks.

To the one mentioning bluetooth file transfer, come on man its 2012. Wifi direct is far superior.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Unfortunately as I understand it you can't download whole states or countries to use offline. Big limitation.

Average user doesn't care. As long as my phone works I have no desire to "see how your phone is running." I also never lift the hood of my car.

Neither I nor the majority of users care. As long as we get the apps we need we are happy.

Most phone users don't know what Chevron is or what a developer unlocked phone is.

Most users don't care. As long as they do their jobs well I don't even notice them.

If you don't like Metro then you also don't own a Windows Phone.

For 99.9% of us it's a phone. It's not an item to gain techy bragging rights. My Lumia 900 is faster on wireless internet than 99% of Andriod phones out there. So Andriod owners can sit around talking about the number of cores in their phones and meanwhile I'm getting my work done and I'm on my way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Orange_furball:
What I have noticed is the lack of apps. Also the lack of phones. The lack of developers. Multitasking is a joke.

What wp7 has that's good? UI, smooth system, its always vanilla (as it should be)

When talking about wp7 vs android vs IPhone android is the the clear winner. Followed by wp7 and iPhone. My first smartphone was an iPhone, then I went to wp7, then android, then iPhone and now I'm android for life.

But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the Metro UI on my Galaxy Note...

I also run a zune themed music player, wp7 email, and more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Thats a bold statement. Maybe a tattoo of 'Android for Life' to prove your allegiance? ;p
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoorCollegeGuy:
Answers are in red.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Orange_furball:
Maybe someday :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] swbf2lord:
Please understand this is only how I understand things to be. I can't be 100% certain.

Android:

Easier use (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=context-gfa

I don't think WP7 has all the usability features of Android mentioned in the series, and don't hate on that until you've seen the entire series)

Amazing customization

More Apps (some are LQ admittedly, but Android also had more HQ apps than WP7)

Faster Emulators (because Android is coded in Java)

Larger Variety of devices (love or hate it)

Better Google service integration

Apps interact with each other better

Open development

Better multi-tasking (honestly there are times I want it to be like WP7 or iOS, but when I start downloading stuff in apps, I'm really grateful for it like it is. Any Android user would miss that feature if they switched)

Flash Player (it is a plus, even if you don't like it, because you don't have to use it if you don't want to; it works great on my Galaxy Nexus)

WP7:

Better UI

Lower resource consumption (provides a smooth feel, even on older device, a great thing)

Better support

More carefully scanned App Store (cuts down on malware, increases minimum app quality)

Great Cloud integration (I really like what I've seen with the SkyDrive integration in apps)

Smaller community (not sure on this one being positive, but usually small communites are more close-knit)

I'm sure there are more, those are just all I can think of
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
The iphone is the number one selling smartphone. So what does that tell you? Does that tell you the average consumer really values "open source, so you can see how your phone is running?" I don't need to do a big research study. I can just use common sense. Take that answer and extrapolate it out for most of your comments about Android. Done. Apple did your market research for you. As far as the Android install base is concerned there are probably a lot of people that really don't feel like paying $200 for an iphone 4s and want more apps than are on WP. Actually I'm sure there were a lot of people that weren't even aware of WP when they bought their Android. I think the assumption that the majority of the Andriod install base actively hacks their phone and installs ROMs is the one that needs to be proven. Not the other way around.

I used to have a windows mobile device years ago. I got a Lumia 900 and just came back to see if there are any developments. Is it a crime to look? It doesn't mean I'm obsessed. I would like a hack to activate tethering. Beyond that I haven't really thought of much else I desire. If someone figures it out great. If not it's not the end of the world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Orange_furball:
Just one thing I disagree with. Most people don't care about dropping $200 on an iPhone. Look at the amount of android phones out there and how much they cost. Also, you could get a 3gs for $0 a few months back. It's not price.

sent from me TouchPad. ICS of course.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
Android is kinda laggy sometimes. I say this after using Galaxy in Korea for two months last year. I also say this as a galaxy tab 10.1 owner.

Android has more apps.

Android is a Google phone and the integration is something that is awesome.

Unfortunately, the integration is something that is done badly as well. It's like they're separate apps in Android.

Android has all the hot hardware. A lot of people in the geeky community seem to care about this.

Unfortunately, Android is also home to some of the most generic, hideous looking phones. HTC One X is the first truly sleek phone IMO. Maybe the new Razer as well but something seems off about that one, so maybe just the One X.

The Android community is extremely hard working so even if there isn't an app out there, it'll be there soon enough.

WP is slick. The UI is extremely unifying, right down to the apps made for WP. Nothing feels out of place.

Live tiles are extremely informative. That being said, only OS apps are allowed to show up in the notifications on the lock screen. All other apps get toast notifications so if you miss them, unless they're on the homescreen, you wouldn't know something happened.

UI is always smooth.

If you used one WP, you've used them all as far as basic OS operations go. No stupid skins by manufacturers who think they're making it look 'better'.

WP is lacking apps in terms of numbers, but as I write this, there are over 90,000 apps, so it's not like WP isn't catching up.

WP is the Microsoft phone. Office and Skydrive integration are unparalleled. And this is more useful than Google integration for most people as these are the applications most people use at work.

Xbox Live is a gimmick. It is also fun to get the achievements and you will kill many an evening trying to be World Champ in Wordament ;)

The social networking integration is just awesome. Truly awesome.Unfortunately, in some places, it was rather half-assed IMO. Do these things all the way or not at all MS!

The search app destroys the Google search with the exception of universal search.

Otherwise, no need for Shazam, QR scanner, Voice search or any of that stuff. In WP, it's baked into the OS.

The Nokia Lumia 900 is the most beautiful on the planet right now, even SIRI thinks so :).

The main difference between the 2 OSes is this:

WP just works.

Android can also just work, but if it doesn't, you can do something about it. And unfortunately, you usually do have to do something about it, which is why my Tab is running another ROM right now.

I could've gone another route but man, these things are just phones when it comes down to it and when you look at it that way, what would you rather have?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoorCollegeGuy:
The iPhone is the top selling phone, but I didn't say top selling phone, I said top selling Operating Systems. iPhone outsells any one Android phone, but Android itself outsells iPhone by a very wide margin. That stat in and of itself proves the power of customization and "getting exactly what you want". While open source isn't the biggest reason to buy Android, you'll notice that after market Android development is much healthier and much more active than aftermarket development of other smartphone operating systems so for at least a few million people, open source actually does matter quite a bit.

It's not a crime to look here, but you're proposing an argument that aftermarket development of mobile phones doesn't matter on a website with 4.5 million users (30k of which are constantly active) that specializes solely in the aftermarket development of mobile phones. It's like walking into a bar and going on a tirade about how horrible alcohol is. This is the "home turf" of aftermarket development, so to make the statement that "most users don't care about aftermarket development" on a website that specialized specifically in that area just doesn't make sense.

All in all it's about the opinion of the user, but in terms of sheer features and the power of choice, no one can beat Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
The iphone 3gs is at least three generations behind modern technology. That is not comparable to selling NEW Andriod phones at a cut rate price. If you are price sensitive and want a current generation phone you are NOT buying apple.

A quick look at the at&t site only shows one Andriod phone that is more expensive than the iphone 4s, the Galaxy Note. And I have NEVER seen one of those in the wild. And believe me if I saw someone holding a phone booth up to their head I would remember. The HTC one is comparable in price to the iphone 4s but there is no way on earth they sold anywhere as many as the iphone. After that the next popular price point for Andriod is half the price of the iphone. There is simply no way the average cost of the Android install base is anywhere near the cost of the iphone install base. The at&t website is littered with free and .99 Andriod phones.

Link.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Orange_furball:
I have seen ~25 galaxy notes (not including my own) Also, what about Verizon, sprint, T-Mobile, the low-cost plan companies? They have android too. Its not only at&t.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
laggy, bugly ugly copy or the real deal? I know where my money is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Define "very wide margin?"

Android fanboys keep saying that but when you look at current generation smartphones Android rules the low end. iphone and Windows phone have hard nonnegotiable minimum standards. Android doesn't. Cupertino and Redmond have ceded the low end to Andriod. That doesn't mean people buy Andriod because they want "customization." Some do but the value motive is pretty strong as well. Observe...
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoorCollegeGuy:
Those numbers are wildly out of date. The current share is Android 48% and iOS 32%. 16% difference is a pretty damn wide margin when you're basing it on all of the smartphones on the planet earth. 16% is 10s, if not hundreds, of millions of people.

Source:

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire...phones-dominate-new-phone-purchases-in-the-us

And, while I was finding that, I found another interesting tidbit. Turns out Apple isn't even king of the cell phone hill anymore, Samsung took over the number 1 post with the "most cell phones sold" in Q1 2012. While the iPhone may be the most sold single phone, Apple is no longer first in any category.

Source:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...le_to_claim_smartphone_market_share_lead.html

So Android rules the market in market share and in phones sold. And keep in mind that WP isn't even represented by Nielsen Scans. It's still part of the "other" category because it isn't even big enough to compete with Blackberry yet.

/pwned :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] emdzej:
Exaclty... Nokia has it.. only Nokia. It is not available for other WP7 phones. Also some usefull apps are available only in US (at least not in EU) (kindle for example, xbox companion).

But you cant use Skype for all the time, so anyone could call you whenever he wants..

I often use VOIP for cheap international calls, and no - I will not use skype - it's very exepnsive compared to my SIP provider and for the reason above.

Don't get me wrong. I like WP... it has nice user experience, but some things are so ****ed up.

But it's something common in Microsoft. On one hand they do something cool (.NET) but on the other they develop annoying, slow, fat-ass Visual Studio...

Wish them all the best, competition is always good for users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Just because you edit articles, I don't think that makes you any more credible than the poster. I can see your Android fanboyism on this thread when clearly OP just asked no flames. I wonder if you do this everywhere!

BTW, on one hand you talk about using your phone being a "tech-savvy" and on the other you want to play with your phone and change how it looks all the time?!

Also, what makes you think that XDA represents any fraction of people using smartphones at all? It will be extremely interesting to see how many ACTIVE XDA users actually exist. I don't need the stats, but you could come along with some and tell me. The point being, those who visit XDA aren't the only ones who own a smartphone. Yes Android is a perfect playground for someone who doesn't have a family, friends, a real job and life outside the laptop. The real people with real life generally use a phone for what it's meant to be. I've spent my lifetime talking and doing Android but I know that I din't need it and I don't want it. Because the real world is where people live.

...and that is where I am off to!

PS: I am utterly sad to see a so called XDA writer indulging in flaming. But this isn't the first time I've seen it. Good luck!
[Windows Phone 7 General] neo.ank:
And I don't care what MOST USERS care for.

Its about my personal opinion.

We might indulge in an endless debate,trying to prove the piece of OS owned by one being superior.

Difference in WP7 & Android.

For me its one word, Customization ..'nuff said.

Doesn't matter from where I send it, what matters is written above
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Pretty customized phone that has bugs, freezes, force closes, own a fragmented OS AND needs plenty of cores V/S Locked down, non-customizable phone, that is bug-free, virus-free, force close-free, isn't fragmented, doesn't need more than one core, needs more features.

I think we know what the fanboys will say and what a sane man will say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] neo.ank:
Well looks like WP users take every comment against their phone personally..

I've always preferred it this way been its the older p2k phones or ezx phones or Android.

And FYI I'm running a fully customized phone totally bug-free, never froze(ever), virus- what is that!! And performs to my expectations..And I'm happy to run it..if that makes me a 'fanboy' according to a WP fan, I don't mind.

Doesn't matter from where I send it, what matters is written above
[Windows Phone 7 General] emdzej:
Yep... I also think so.

I have single core Nexus S that is very smooth, runs stock google prepared rom and doesn't freeze.

As one said the worst in Android are cheep phones that destroy its image, and expensive phones with crap and bloatware added by their manufacturers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spaqin:
PSX emulator.

/thread
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Never taken anything personally. However, if facts are to be laid, they better be laid out fairly.

People want customization on Android v/s People need customization on Android?

In order to run a ZTE branded low-end Android lag-free, bug-free, force-close-free you will probably need a CM7 stable build.

In order to run a ZTE branded low-end WP lag-free, bug-free, force-close-free you will NOT need anything extra.

This takes me to the below quote:

There is probably NO arguement about those high-end Android phones with single, dual, quad-core. They sure perform excellent and how Android was dreamt of by it's birth mother.

However, Android thrives also on the low-end market. If I was to compare OS V/S OS - It shouldn't matter if I pick up a high-end phone or a low-end phone. I should ideally have the same experience. Pick up a Nokia Lumia 900, 800 or 610 - you will have the same experience. No freeze, No lag, No bug, No force closes. Unless you are a hard core fan boy, you would agree with me that you can't say the same for Androids. Yes, ofcourse you see the difference in storage capacity or camera or anything hardware related. The OS performance is still identical when you go high-end to low-end in WP.

So at the end of the day like you said: "As one said the worst in Android are cheep phones that destroy its image, and expensive phones with crap and bloatware added by their manufacturers"
[Windows Phone 7 General] neo.ank:
Agree.. and that could be thought as the price of being open source..

But as far as WP & Android or any other OS is considered, none is absolute, every OS incorporate features differently. And what allures the user is entirely a matter of personal choice..

For me, its customization thats most important. Not as a necessity to run my phone, but as the assurance that I have the options to change what n when I want/need.

PS: Personally I've seen some low-end Android phones running better on stock ROM's than modded one's

Doesn't matter from where I send it, what matters is written above
[Windows Phone 7 General] htc9420:
+1 this could be on the menu at every tattoo saloon

1.Open source:

It all comes down to how you value yourself and how you value your time/skills. Customizing the OPEN source Android comes at a huge price, regardless of how many praise it, userland chaos is the b*tch as every manufacturer has its own framework. Time spent to read,learn,understand, write and so on. If your time is plenty and you have a great knowledge,it's ok. If that's your main job then you're at the mercy of DONATE TO ME button. Not to mention that you get stuck and you're at the mercy of other more experienced devs...after all,Google support is the open source community support. Most bugs are hardware related and really hard to deal with since some drivers are closed source. Either way, being open doesn't necessary make it better and some kernel/framework related bugs are still present.

Being unified as a platform and hardware,WP is more straightforward to develop for and the bugs are discovered fast and an update is delivered for the whole platform( carriers could delay one step, not the case for security patches).

Apps.

How many is enough? Apple market is full of fart, whip, draw, photoshopping, funny lists...and they all came to Android.

What do you really need? Decent photo app- WP check, decent social apps- WP check, decent cloud services- WP rules, decent satnav- somehow check, decent UI- WP rules.

Bluetooth

Can't remember last time someone asked me to share a file trough BT...maybe 2002...External GPS sensor:eek: OMG

File management/usb storage mount/ hot swappable sd card.

The one and only true missing feature. Not a deal breaker though. It's the sand boxed platform policy. Also, I'm not used to carry an USB cable with me since Skydrive/Dropbox/Email features were discovered by mankind.

UI and app integration

This is the strong point for WP. It is the one of the best UI developed 'till now. If you need a device as a smartphone, the WP approach is the way to go. I can't argue that some more polishing is welcome.

Switching an Android device is a PIA (HTC to Sammy, SONY to LG). Each comes with proprietary launcher.

Hardware.

WP runs and runs. Reboots and freezes are rare. One core, 512 Mb, 5 Mpix camera. Battery lasts.

Android runs, stumbles, runs, walks. Sometimes is wish I'd carry a car battery with me. QUAD CORE:eek: 2300mA battery=24H charge. High end device 8Mpix camera= pink spot, no remedy since driver is closed source.

Reading all arguments here only brings back the taste of the early Android days and IOS/Android trolls. It is funny how the IPhone arguments that were used in IOS-->Android war ( apps, marketshare, etc.) are now used by "Android for life" bearers.