yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC One S] Gambler_3:
I dont agree at all that it was in the best interest of business for HTC to take such decisions. No offense to any HTC fan but if HTC really knew how to do business then they wouldnt have lost so much marketshare to samsung, they wouldnt have made so little profit in the last quarter.

HTC is not apple people dont blindly buy their product, a company like HTC really needs hardcore users to like their devices and then spread the word.

Even apple makes 3 different storage variants of their phones, clearly there is demand for different kinds of storage or else they wont.

Even the low end one V has more storage than one S because it supports SD card pop in a 16GB card and you have total 15.5GB usable memory. OMG see how ridiculous is it?? :confused:

If HTC wasnt serious about one S they shouldnt have released it. They have essentially ruined the phone for an item that doesnt even cost $20 to manufacture.
[HTC One S] :
That's kinda radical, but there are also some good points here. About losing market share to Samsung. Why Samsung with its ugly Touchwizz and plastic handsets? What can I say? I had a HTC Legend and I fell in love with this brand. When it started to feel too laggy I replaced it with Incredible S....and it was a huge mistake. This phone was a joke, I could hardly call with that due to "echo effect" and so on, I got replacement - same ****. HTC started to spread rumors about some magic patch that was supposed to fix it....yeah right. Eventually I got my money back, and I decided not to buy HTC ever again. I bought galaxy R (i9103) - No problems at all. Everything worked as it should, no signal dropouts, perfect call quality, no problem with WIFI/GPS. (Of course, you can read about faulty batch (mostly in India) as well - problem with random reboots - not high % though) Equally reliable as my old legend with much much better performance (no **** tegra2 compared to 600 mhz qualcom ;) )....and unfortunately almost no devs support at all - completely non-understandable for me :(
[HTC One S] Gambler_3:
Samsung succeeded because their phones have the best hardware.

As for galaxy R well thats the dark side of samsung, they dont seem to support their non flag ship phones very well. The hardware isnt gimped and the galaxy R is a thoroughly great phone better than HTC sensation in my opinion but samsung just wont support it well.

The reason why their isnt much development for it is because it didnt sell well. Why it didnt sell well is because samsung didnt market it at all.
[HTC One S] aza314:
Apart from all the reasons I listed.

Apple has far fewer SKUs. The last thing that HTC should do is complicate their product range even more. The One series is a good "reset" and simplification.

I wish the One S (which i own) had 16GB. The fact that is has 10 is a drawback but not a deal killer. If so buy the V or X or some Samsung or the iPhone.

Meh, I wish HTC had spent more time working on making an efficient antenna for better reception and fired all their bloatware developers.

---------- Post added at 03:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:54 PM ----------

After dealing with Samsung SW "PC Kies" (needed for their upgrade process) and terrible homepage, which was different for every country, confusing software revision numbers (indicated no source control) I refuse to buy a Samsung phone.

Their components divisions are a similar mis-mash with non-existant datasheets for stuff they sell. I refuse to add their components into my designs if I have alternative suppliers (Micron, Atmel etc)
[HTC One S] :
You got the point! SGR was an unwanted child, with no support whatsoever. Not to mention that SGR is still non listed on most of samsung national websites. FW-update policy was also kinda sick. (While china got 2.3.6 in november, Sweden still enjiys 2.3.4 - no comments) Lack of both samsung's and devs' suport was my major reason to trade it.

aza314 KIES is really horrible. Hopefully you don't have to use it at all if you don't want it. U can upgrade by OTA instead ;) Numbers of FW are confusing....but it's easy to get used to, and flashing via Odin (bootloader is unlocked) is pretty much comfortable :)
[HTC One S] azzledazzle:
There's nothing to say that the One S XL wont be released soon is there ?

They did it with other phones including the sensation.. Maybe it will get released and with more memory too !
[HTC One S] kyuubi_ac:
OMG.. I even don't know where to start...

First of all:

That. 1+

The reason for those bad numbers in last two quarters of 2011 was a simple one: Their devices weren't as good as Samsungs.. Samsung have blown away all other producers with two devices:

SGS2 - It simply was faster than the Sensation. But it was not as much about the hardware as you state than about the software... HTC has Sense, the strongest modification of the Android GUI which on the one hand offers a totally different user experiece than this crappy TW, but on the other hand means a tradeoff regarding performance. Flash a Stock Android ROM on Sensation and the difference it almost not existent.

SGN - C'mon, they developed together with Google their new official system and the appropriate device for it. It's only natural that this is a reason for tons of people to buy this device since they can assume that software and hardware are working quit e perfectly together (best example for this is Apple). Furthermore the cooperation with Google of course had influence on the SGS2 of course.

The SGS2 war everywhere known as the fastest Android device, so it's just normal that it sells the best. That has nothing to do with business decisions..

Honestly, you're now comparing HTC with Apple? You compare the set of a producer with.. ehhm.. let me think.. ah yeah: one device with another producer with different types of devices, even different operating systems.. Of course Apple offers more storage for more money. That's easy and eerybody can decide how much he wants to pay for storage. But you can't expect HTC with their several devices to split up their produt line even further in three versions for each device. People are already now complaining about those tons of different devices, specially from Samsung and HTC. Apple don't offer to choose between different displays, CPUs etc. You can't compare apples and pears..

I think the pros and cons of SD cards have been mentioned already.

I think there's no doubt about HTC beeing serious about the One S.. And if they ruined it or not: We will see how it sells. Until now, I don't know anyone in person who denied buying this device specially because of the storage.

Edit: Had to erase a nonsense passage of me regarding the S3 ^^ Sorry for that.
[HTC One S] MadJoe:
The GS3 does have a microSD slot, so I not sure what you're getting at here except that it is a dying tech (agreed, but it's still relevant for now).

The rest of your post I agree mostly with, especially that Samsung was/is/will continue to be killing HTC because of inferior hardware. To an extent HTC has done a decent job catching up with the One series, and I love that they are simplifying by offering just 3 phones. But they're not going to catch up, or ever pass Samsung by leaving out key options like expandable memory, or handicapping a phone simply because they don't consider it Top Tier. Giving us the option of an S with 16GB, upgradable to 32GB for $50 (or whatever they think we'll pay) I think would sell a hell of a lot more phone, especially on T-Mobile US where this is the top dog phone. But, it is what it is for now, and I bought it knowing this. I like the One S, but unless things change, I don't see my next upgrade being an HTC. I'm already tired of carrying a charger around...and I'm 2GB deep in my data plan 9 days into my month.
[HTC One S] kyuubi_ac:
Yeah I recognized this slip myself immediately and erased it. ^^

Most probably you're right and HTC would sell more devices if there was a possibility for more storage (an additional 32gb-version). And I don't want to argue about that point. But as mentioned, I really believe they made this decision to push the One X. Was this clever? I for sure don't know and I don't want to make the impression, that I like that decision at all since I own the One S. :cool:
[HTC One S] :
Yayy me!!! Bought my one s today :D

But storage Doesn't bother me. I have never filled a 16gb ad card up. Maxes out at around 8.

---------- Post added at 06:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:41 PM ----------

Build in storage will perform wayyy better than any plug and play sd.

Cloud is the future.
[HTC One S] :
@kyuubi_ac

I've got few comments. TW is certainly very ugly but definitely not crappy. Sensation wasn't really the best HTC's flagship product. It's not even the fact that Mali 400 was more than slightly faster GPU than Adreno 220. As far as I remember it was Iphone 4S that was first released with more powerful GPU. (I am not talking about quadrant or even gl bench... but more professional tests, even snapdragon clocked to 1,5 ghz that you can find in S2 LTE is not equally snappy as 1.2 ghz Samsung Exynos.) Sensation was encumbered with few really annoying issues. There was a problem with CPU (it wasn't coded correctly and hung quite often) with connectivity (signal drops, calls cut very often). Its LCD screen was worse then Galaxy R's (a poorer brother of S2 with tegra2 and Super Clear LCD) even despite higher resolution. Sensation wasn't even a solid opponent for S2. Year 2011 was in general very bad for HTC. According to my and my friends experiences with both brands Samsung devices from that period were much more reliable than those from HTC (I don't know anything about EVO 3D though). In my opinion the Desire line has been relatively the best and most solid HTC products so far.
[HTC One S] kyuubi_ac:
Two point on this:

1. Yah I know, the Sensation wasn't that good at all. What I meant was only that the peformance in terms of speed was not that big difference. I like Samsungs devices (despite TW) and I told everybody in 2011 who asked me for an advice regarding his decision for a mobile to take the SGS2. 2 months ago I almost bought it myself, but then read about the One S. ^^

2. Desire was legendary. I'm coming from a Desire and I don't know how to explain, but the One S kind of reminds me of the first impression I had with my Desire. :D
[HTC One S] azzledazzle:
I love samsung products, I still use my SGS1 and thats perfect, running ICS and never let me down, Never got a scratch on it either.......until i gave it my misses :(

However, Build quality isnt great, I didnt realise how bad it was till i got an HTC..

Samsung devices are (IMO) made to run AOSP - Sticking on useless crap like TW ruins the phone...

Give me a Samsung in an HTC body and i will be a very happy man !!!
[HTC One S] :
As I said before my first smartphone was a Legend and I must say it was a legendary phone as well. I'll never forget how proud I was when I managed to root it. That really meant something ;) 1)Creating a gold card 2)Downgrading bootloader 3-4)Two steps rooting procedure. Two hours of sweat and stress :D

---------- Post added at 07:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 PM ----------

Amen!

BTW. After few days of heavy considerations I decided to apologize my SGS2 and stick with it this year. I chose between One S, S2, and Xperia S and I think S2 still offers me the most features I need.

Anyway...It was really nice to have a conversation with open minded people :) I wish all htc/samsung/etc users were on equal level as you guys. Cheers!
[HTC One S] kyuubi_ac:
One more: Amen! :D

Dito! Honestly, to keep with your SGS2 is good choice, it really is a nice phone! So enjoy! :cool:
[HTC One S] jmitr:
North America, a fairly large market where the vast majority of users are on contract do not have 32gb as an option at all. Both the One S and X (S4 LTE version) have only 16 gb

The at&t One X forum (and Rogers for Canada) have a few "why only 16gb for the One XL" threads.

It sucks, if the S4 is really so expensive that the One S and XL could only have 16gb, make and charge more for a 32gb version.

The attraction to Android is being able to use your phone as you want, being told "just embrace the cloud" really smacks of an Apple attitude. Don't want to build a phone with enough storage HTC? Fine, Samsung can have my money instead.
[HTC One S] AndroidBlizzard:
16GB for me is fine. I'm glad that there's no 32GB version since I would not have been able to buy the one s.

That being said, I have music and movies on my phone and I still have 5GB left for pictures and video. Still 1.9GB left for games, I can live comfortably with 16GB of storage, many users can do the same thing just by managing their media.
[HTC One S] :
like it or not, cloud storage is here to stay and i think no sdcards is also the future. i am fine with the storage. yes i would like a little more, but can live with it. I have recently experimented with google drive and have been using dropbox. i have all my music and a 1.3gb movie on the phone with 5gb left. I kinda like not messing with the sdcard and battery pulls with my N1 and really like 13 to 18mb read speeds. i can see where heavy media users may be strapped. but the overall quality and performanxe of this phone makes up for it imho. it does so much so well i may not need to flash roms anymore--just happy being rooted--well maybe i will flash a rom or two--can't stop cold turkey--:)

ken
[HTC One S] O0cynix0o:
Agree completely. I have an iPod for my entire music collection. And an iPad for my movies. For a phone that takes awesome pics and 1080p video I got what I paid for...just north of $130.00. I can stream with an old school android unlimited plan, never throttled, ill just use the 25Gb's of dropbox I got with the phone and thank my lucky stars I don't still have my MyTouch 4G.

Sent from my rooted and debloated T Mobile HTC One S
[HTC One S] jmitr:
Geeez, to both of you, and androidblizzard

Most of us complaining about the storage are asking for choice, as in offer multiple storage options for different prices. Apple does it, samsung is starting, and they are the top two mobile companies.

All we are asking for is HTC to offer storage choices, I would gladly pay more for 32gb of internal like the international One X. There could still be a 16gb version for those who want to save some $$$.

Managing your space is all fine and dandy, some of us would rather not have to carry around an ipod or mp3 player when our phone says "beats audio" on the back and is made for listening to media, upload photos to the cloud? For backup sure. Have a camera capable of shooting hd video, that takes up space. Then there's HTC media link, share photos and videos on your TV screen, be nice if you could keep them on your phone. And last but not least.....Games. Several games have large "sd" files to download.

Guys, some people like using there smartphones for everything they are capable of, camera, video, music, gaming, business......etc. If everyone was fine with 9.8gb of user storage then apple and samsung would never sell 32gb phones, or other vendors would never sell larger microsd cards.

I personally don't care about the lack of sd, I have never removed mine from my previous phones. Give me enough storage for everyone's needs by offering at least 2 storage options (16gb and 32gb), or whatever combination.
[HTC One S] O0cynix0o:
I can see this point as well. Wasn't trying to say that the 9.6 Gb's should be fine for everyone. Because it's not. I just think for my needs the 9.6Gb's suits me fine.

The One S is a mid level Android from all I've read and seen. Isn't the One X supposed to be the "Beast" of the One line up?

Either way nothing is perfect we all have our likes and dislikes about the phone.

Storage space being one of them.

Sent from my rooted and debloated T Mobile HTC One S
[HTC One S] jmitr:
Thanks man,

Problem in North America is 9.8gb of user storage is as good as it gets as both the One S and One XL (been marketed by at&t and Rogers as the One X) are 16gb beasts.

In North America, because both use the S4, and both have 16gb, the only difference is screen tech. I think most would argue the S has better build quality despite being "midrange"

That brings me back to choice, why does the 4.3 inch phone have to be midrange? Christ, make the One V, S, and X all beasts processor wise (S4 with LTE), great cameras, beats, storage options, etc. Then people really have choice, 3.7 / 4.3 / 4.7 inch screens in various storage sizes. The entire One series should be their Top line. If not, wtf is with the golf and such?

So, I'm hoping HTC's fall line, or the next series offers more storage choice or the fugly galaxy SIII it is.
[HTC One S] O0cynix0o:
All good points.

I for one am glad HTC kept it simple this time around. But don't like the fact that the One X is exclusive to the top to carriers. That makes three really good phones that T-Mobile has been left out in the rain for. The One X, Google Nexus, and the iPhone 4. But I digress.

As was mentioned earlier maybe HTC will release an HTC One S XL. Although the names here stand to get abosluty crazy.

Sent from my rooted and debloated T Mobile HTC One S
[HTC One S] Gambler_3:
The 1.9GB is not actually going to be used with big games, the 5GB you have left is going to be used by games as well. A good HD game can take as much as 1GB.

Have you guys seen the sprint one X?

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_evo_4g_lte-4665.php

It has SD card slot.

To all those saying SD card is ancient and that internal is faster, well I was never asking for SD card to begin with just more internal. I have nexus S with 13.5GB internal USB space which is enough for a phone that only does 480p video recording.

HTC makes so many different phones, dont tell me they cant just make different storage variants of their main phones. And how is one S a mid range phone? lol people apart from screen everything else is top notch on the one S and the screen isnt half bad either, it's SAMOLED tech but not very high resolution which is actually the case with most SAMOLED devices, gotta sacrifice resolution for those deep blacks.

So calling one S mid range is pretty ludicrous if you ask me.
[HTC One S] O0cynix0o:
I don't think that's a One X at all... Similar, but not the same.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/255517/htc_evo_4g_lte_review_gorgeous_but_no_lte_for_now.html

Sent from my rooted and debloated T Mobile HTC One S
[HTC One S] O0cynix0o:
Paraphrase the article for you.

The HTC Evo 4G LTE might share a lot of specs in common with the One X on AT&T, but its design is totally different.

Unlike the One phones, the Evo has a microSD slot so you can expand your phone's memory beyond the built-in 16GB, with photos, video, apps, and so on.

Measuring 5.3-by-2.7-by-0.35 inches, the Evo is slightly smaller than the One X, which measures 5.3-by-2.8-by-0.4 inches. The Evo is an ounce heavier, at 4.7 ounces, than the One X (4.6 ounces).

I ran both the Quadrant and Vellamo benchmarking apps to see how powerful the Qualcomm S4 1.5GHz dual-core processor is on the HTC EVO 4G LTE. With Vellamo (which was developed by Qualcomm), the Evo had a score of 2392, slightly ahead of the HTC One S, which has the same processor and achieved a score of 2365.

Under Quadrant, the HTC Evo got a score of 5145, which put it slightly ahead of both the One S and the Galaxy Nexus. I also ran a few graphics-heavy games, like World of Goo and Osmos, and the Evo handled them flawlessly.

We experienced uneven call quality with both the HTC One X and the One S, but the Evo sounded good on both ends of the line. My friends said my voice sounded clear and natural, and they didn't hear any crackling or static as they did on the One phones.

I took all of the above from the article ref'd in my post above.

Bottem line Sprint doesn't have a One X....that would be AT&T for now.

Sent from my rooted and debloated T Mobile HTC One S
[HTC One S] O0cynix0o:
And yes the One S is marketed as a mid range Android phone.

Top tier: One X

Mid tier: One S

Last tier: One V

http://www.pcworld.com/article/250679/htc_announces_the_one_x_its_first_quadcore_smartphone.html

Sent from my rooted and debloated T Mobile HTC One S
[HTC One S] Gambler_3:
Actually the evo 4G LTE is superior to the one X it seems. 2000mah battery with S4 chipset and SD card slot? Ya that sounds like even better than one X.

What I am trying to say is that HTC managed to cramp all of that in a body thats roughly the same size as one X.
[HTC One S] kyuubi_ac:
Curse you HTC for making the One S so fast! :D

C'mon guys, it's all about the perspective. HTC designed 3 new devices for their 2012 setup:

One V (low), One S (mid) and One X (high). Yeah I know that the One S is actually good enough to be an high class phone, but that's for now. They've been the first to release their new devices for this year and they most probably designed the S so fast to keep it alive for the next time. They exactly knew that Samsung and Apple would/will release their devices afterwards and had to think about this. If the One S would have an older CPU then nobody would complain about the storage. Everybody would say: "Yeah I don't want to buy the mid class device, I'll go for the flagship".

I absolutely agree with you, that it would be great to have the choice between 16 and 32gb. But I think we should keep in mind, that there is the One X. And here's the big problem: As you mentioned the One X in northern America has 16gb (in Europe it's 32gb just like it should be) as well. That is ridiculous because this is the flagship.

I don't think it's fair to compare the One S to the SGS3. The phone to compare is the One X. Samsung only released one single phone now. And they don't give anybody the choice between 3.7, 4.3 and 4.7+ inch. They simply decided that 4.8 has to be the right size for everybody, just like HTC decided that it has to be 4.7 if you want to own the flagship. They are simply pushing us to larger screens, thinking that this is what we like. So yeah, we can buy the SGS3 and have 16gb (in Europe) internal storage supported by SD cards, but this also means the (IMO) ridiculous size of 4.8 inch.. So you can look at it as you like, but IMO the One S is the most harmless problem within those recent decisions made y manufacturers. It was the screen size of the One X and the SGS3 which made me buy the One S in first place.

Most people would love and spend their money for a phone that provides: nice quality build body like on the One S, 4.3" HD display, S4 Snapdragon or the new Exynos (I would prefer the S4, don't like to be a beta tester for those new quad cores with old architecture), 32GB internal storage, NFC, etc... I don't know, but I have the feeling that Apple has the chance to just destroy everyone else again if they listened carefully to the market. :rolleyes:
[HTC One S] Mazzstrikers:
Actually I can feel your pain. In Singapore, the GSM version of the galaxy nexus only comes in the 16GB variant. And the OP is right. 16GB without MicroSD is really unacceptable. With the OS installed it's about 11GB left depending on the way the device is partitioned. And my music collection is already 10GB. I HATE the feeling of having to choose files which are less important to discard to make up for the little storage. So I actually managed to find another reason to get a full refund from Samsung to get my One X.

Hmm, maybe it's because I'm spoilt by my previous Xperia Arc which doesn't have internal memory but I fed it with a 32GB card. I love the feeling of not having to think about storage limitations.

So I would recommend the OP to get the Xperia S 32GB. Sony makes one of the best LCD screens in the market. And the 12MP camera is a steal. Don't go for the One S. You'd rather be sacrificing a little on processing power than be stuck with no storage left.
[HTC One S] Gambler_3:
I honestly dont care what a website or even HTC has to say regarding the mattter. The one S is currently the second most expensive phone and it is also arguably the second best phone. If there was a 32GB one S then that would be a better phone than one X for me because battery life matters more than some extra pixels that are not always noticeable. I dont consider tegra 3 to be any advantage over S4 which I am sure most would agree here.