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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] n1vlek:
g tab 2 10.1 besides the difference in chip, hardware is the same and the ICS and touch is still as laggy as our tab. just be patience. it will make no difference once update is up. PATIENCE IS VIRTUE
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] t1mman:
Chip being CPU, chipset, GPU (at least)...

This is like saying Core i7 is the same as Phenom X4 when it's the same clock...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Stuckinabox:
Did we really need another pointless speculation thread?

You don't get to the point where carriers start adding it to their upgrade lists and then just not release it. We all know manufacturers take a horribly long time to update so just sit tight and find something more useful to worry about.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jrock2004:
From what I have seen it takes a lot of manufacturers a long time to get these out. Lots of testing envolved but I am sure it will come out soon.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jeepnutz:
Don't forget all the Samsung apps

In addition to getting a working ROM, from what I can tell Samsung has yet to update any of their Samsung apps to work with ICS as of yet, or at least the ones that came preloaded on our tablets. AllShare doesn't work yet. Kies no workie workie either w/ICS.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jay Aristide:
Both Kies and AllShare work fine on Orion's GTab2 7.0, just checked...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] 56789:
Samsung. Intercept.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jay Aristide:
Never had one, so I can't really speak to it. I can say I've bought Samsung products whenever it was practical to do so, and I've never regretted it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jay Aristide:
If the Transform Ultra or Galaxy Prevail, either one, had a bigger screen (Prevail would need a proximity sensor, as well), I wouldn't have an LG as my daily driver. I like LG just fine, don't get me wrong, but I really am a Samsung fan :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] akarol:
Impatient would be if the update was release a month ago. This is just plain ridiculous. At this point, I could care less about the ICS update or the GT10.1 anymore. I'm anxiously waiting for the Nexus tablet to come out this summer.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TabGuy:
Jay,

I agree with you. This Tab is a mass market consumer product. It's not a niche developer product. Samsung must make sure it works properly for the masses.

Also, I have ICS on my Samsung Galaxy Nexus. While I like it a lot, as you point out, there are plenty of apps not ready for prime time on ICS and there are a number of complaints about the phone which almost always are traced back to such apps.

I think that once ICS is rolled out to the big audience of Galaxy Tabs there will be complaints about problems that users hadn't seen before. But this is natural with a dramatically new version of the OS. Samsung might be trying to mitigate that with the rollout and that might be why it's taking longer than those here would like.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] roland0fgilead:
You're all being way too impatient. Samsung isn't taking any longer than any other manufacturers to get ICS onto its devices. ICS is a major rewrite of Android, and getting it to run smoothly on devices that weren't built around Android 4.0 is a huge undertaking. Even unofficial ports are taking longer than normal on most devices. Sure Asus has been pumping out updates faster than most, but you're effectively beta testing their software. I'd rather wait for Samsung to deliver a polished update than get something that is halfway broken and ridden with bugs

If I'm going to complain about ICS updates, I'm going to mention my Motorola Droid X2. I bought it less than year ago, and Moto has confirmed that it's not getting ICS AT ALL. The X2's sister devices (Photon and Atrix) are both likely getting updated, but the X2 IS SOL. So if you don't mind, I'll skip this pointless baww-fest and save my disdain for a company that has earned it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] DannyBiker:
Yeah, I'm sorry to repeat myself, but the people complaining about the delay are making me nuts. The Galaxy line has received the ICS update consistently during a month and a half; the Tab 10.1v seems to be the last one..so what ?

That are litterally DOZENS of phones out there that were never updated or never will be updated to ICS. Phones sometimes that don't have any custom roms support for very little.

Don't you guys have lives ? You can't wait two more weeks ?

Honestly, you are an insult to the many users stuck with never-to-be updated phones. See the LG 2x, the first dual core phone, that's still stuck in 2.3 and it was announced yesterday than it's ICS update will be delayed for several months. See Motorola who releases phones with Gingerbread today (or the Atrix with Froyo) and takes MONTHS to release a major update but it is already outdated by one version when its out, see the completely dropped support for the 10.1v...

You HTC and Samsung are spoiled kids. And you dare to complain. Shame on you.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] :
ics for galaxy tab 10.1

The update will come soon. I think samsung is making sure to make it work properly on this device.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] stubborn_d0nkey:
Lol @ samsung no junk policy. That whole post sounds really fanboy-y.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] mr.fast:
You would moan if it wasn't stable. The A500 in the UK got it's update around 2-3 days ago and that is running stock Honeycomb. Samsung has a lot more work to do. First, It has port Touchwiz to Ice Cream Sandwich and on top of that make sure it is stable enough for real world use. I know you could Argue "Well, just don't put Touchwiz on it then!" but I bought it knowing that it was a TouchWiz tab, not a stock Android one and that I think Touchwiz enhances the experience.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jay Aristide:
It was. I am a fan and avid consumer of Samsung products. Having used them for as long as I can remember and never having much of a problem with them, I consider my fanboy-y ways perfectly appropriate.

Thank you for the compliment :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] roland0fgilead:
I'm no Samsung fanboy - I buy what I think is the best device for my needs. Except the X2. That was a momentary lapse of judgement.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] GorillaPimp:
Do we really need more pointless speculation about whether the inevitable pointless speculation will continue?

/SPECULATION

Sent from your mother's bedroom
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] GorillaPimp:
You have forgotten the face of your father. (not really, just a rare shot for dark tower humor)

Samsung is worthy of criticism for releasing a device with a horribly buggy operating system in the 7510. I'm skeptical that the ICS release will be any better. I'm only waiting for it so roms can get working cameras.

That sucks about the X2. Have you guys started a petition or online campaign to get motorola or Verizon to change that decision?

Sent from your mother's bedroom
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] yuseiatlas:
i think the delay with the roll-out from Samsung to the GALAXY Tabs is to make you buy there new GALAXY Tab lol. but even without the ICS Official Upgrade i'm pretty satisfied with the HoneyComb and the AOKP Builds (even though there is no camera) but everything i need i have. i wouldn't mind the official upgrade because its more stable but i think they would start rolling-out at the end of Q2 so the new GALAXY Tabs and GALAXY Note would be released.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Towle:
I've heard from an anonymous source that we will see the update by June 15th.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] animatechnica:
agree with your point about what we have now with HC and AOKP are perfectly fine - lets me do what i need

let me remind everyone what a big fiasco the 3.2 upgrade turned out to be - so in that context, Samsung is rightly taking their time to get this right- i'd rather wait for a working solution that get it now and spend the next month whining about why things broke
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] chocula:
Samsung could save us all some grief and just communicate better. Would it be that hard to give us some sort of info on how it's progressing? A leak would be nice too
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] pege63:
Samsung Sweden says Q3 for ICS
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TroPir:
By then we'll have jelly beans;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jnn1:
Samsung probably doesn't know the schedule themselves. Unlike a normal corporation with sane working hours, Samsung engineers and programmers are pushed to the brink, literally sleeping at the office to get things done. But with Sammy juggling so many devices and hardware (not just 2 like apple] with just a limited number of engineers and programmers ( and them some of them diverted to Bad a and Tizen and priority now going to the Note series of gadgets and dedicated apps), I bet the brass in the board rooms and the guys in the pr rooms dont even don't know when the real heads and hands behind the updates will have time to successfully update.

On a side note, the AOKP rooms are fabulous, except for the non working camera, which is dependent on Sammy open sourcing the original HC, but Sammy refuses to do so, since Google themselves refused to open source HC (an exception to the Android project) - makes you wonder what damn flaw or maybe even patent infringement HC had. Google/Android/Sammy are still a year or two behind Apple in terms of tablet development. And reminds me that buying a Galaxy Tab (I got on of the first unlocked 10.1 and presently have a 8.9) meant buying a half-baked product, regardless of hardware quality.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Coentje44:
<3 CM9
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] this_is_nick6:
I heard from a Samsung representative here in Canada that the 10.1 ICS update should start rolling out on Rogers devices on June 13th. Saw an excel spreadsheet full of dates but only retained that one lol.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Just_Another_N00b:
Rogers, smogers... That is very helpful for non-Rogers people... Was that for the P7510 or P75xx in general?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kennie002:
The Rogers roll out is good news as custom rom developers will have a template to work on as such all others will get it like 3 weeks later ...if you are willing to flash to custom rom
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Insane_Homer:
So I e-mail them... didn't Canada get this update?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] badboy47:
^^^i was told the same thing in live chat....
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Matrix_19:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/964351/samsung-canada-offers-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Joe T:
I just got done "chatting" with customer support, they told me it will be available.

Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Smith'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.

Your Issue ID for this chat is XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Smith: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung tech support. How can I help you today?

Visitor: Hi, I was wondering if an upgrade was available for my GT-P7510, the original galaxy tab 10.1

Visitor: I'm wondering if android 4.0 was released yet

Visitor: some websites are indicating that it has been made available

Smith: I understand that you need the information on the ICS update on the Tab. Am I correct?

Visitor: That's correct

Smith: Thank you for the confirmation.

Smith: I see that the ICS update is compatible with your Tab, how ever, we do not have the information on the release date of the upgrade. As they are going to release it in batches you will get the upgrade when your Tab model has the update.

Visitor: Ok, thank you! I just read that it started coming out but didn't see there was an update on mine

Visitor: i'll try again later, thanks again have nice weekend
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] GorillaPimp:
Why are you whining about whining?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] GorillaPimp:
No, that's me asking about your hypocrisy. I'm not crying over ICS so your first question isn't directed at me.

Sent from the Millennium Falcon
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] GorillaPimp:
If you're honestly just wondering what's going on that so many people are unhappy with the current OS then I apologize. The "Why on earth" , "whining" & "you people" sound like condescension. Your comments also are similar to trolls/douchebags who come into ICS threads telling users to shutup and use a buggy ICS ROM or go buy an iPad.

If you find the comments in the thread unreasonable and annoying then you're just whining and you're a hypocrite.

Sent from the Millennium Falcon
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Just_Another_N00b:
+1000
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Joe T:
Not singling anyone out, but if you aren't interested in the update why would you come to a "Where's ICS" type of thread? I'm grateful to the people that share info and it's kind of nice to socialize with other Tab owners while waiting. As far as whining goes, there's more whining about whining then actual whining, and I suppose I am a whining about whining about whining :p
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Joe T:
EDIT: Whoops, don't drunk XDA!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] GorillaPimp:
No need for all that if no douchebaggery was afoot or even if there was. Forums are for discussions. We can agree to disagree if need be. Then I can stab you in the parking lot when your back is turned.

The last part is humor.

If you want to make the case that we don't need ICS go ahead man. I just don't care for people belittling other folks over what boils down to very subjective personal assessments of what we desire our tablets to be and do. If that wasn't your intent no need to take your ball and go home.

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+(a high number that looks really impressive)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ExtraDan:
Sorry for the bump, but.... Still no ics.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] KCHawkeye02:
CM9 bro. CM9. I have been running ICS since March.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ExtraDan:
Next time, try to offer me a poor ported jelly beans when I'll ask about the official update.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ExtraDan:
I'm raging cause I'm waiting for ics to come out to Motorola razr too..

They've promised a lot, and still didn't released it.

My waiting is twice harder than you, and my nerves are warm enough to burn Samsung and Motorola.

Just look at droid razr's general forum in xda, and every single user there is raging... There is totally nutshell.

So many hopes and waiting has been thrown into the garbage.

Have you idea how much it's painful?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Wiley87:
This isn't a a razr forum and if I'm being honest I don't care. ICS will be released July to August time. If you cannot wait for that long, flash an ICS ROM that has been available for months.

Your *****ing does not make the update come any faster, it just irritates users who are patiently waiting.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ExtraDan:
Excuse me princess, but I didn't said I'm the only one who waiting to the update.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] CreationArt:
All of us are waiting, But unlike you we have the patience to wait for the time they provided. Seeing as your on a dev forum why don't you flash a rom, and provide feedback on how it is, and just wait it out like the rest of us? Not to repeat whats already been said before, but your raging will not make the update come any faster. If anything it just pisses you off more.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Step666:
Please continue all further ICS-related discussion in the sticky.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbzgod:
Hey guys,

So I have an interesting thing that I've spent a long time searching around and have found very little in the processes.

Pretty much like I said here in reply to another guys post Im trying to get the param.lfs and Sbl.bin file for a Bell I9100M phone http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26002480&postcount=3

However Searching high and low I havnt found it, so I went into trying to find a way of just dumping the data off a rooted phone, I actually did find the param section on the phone under /mnt/.lfs but it doesnt let me just copy the .lfs folder all I could manage is to open it up and make a .img file of the files inside, so not sure how I could go about actually turning that into a param.lfs file to flash through Odin.

Also I managed to find the area where the Sbl.bin secondary bootloader is located and did a raw partition dump of that, the data matches up it is exactly the same file size down to the byte.

So now Im wondering how can I use that raw data dump and convert it into a flashable file through Odin as well.

Also does anyone have a way that I can test the files first in a safer enviroment rather then just risky/blindly flashing a phone with them to be 100% sure? or atleast 99% lol

For those wondering the Sbl.bin file for the Bell Canada's i9100M is slightly different from the standard old Sbl.bin file that Intratech has uploaded on these forums so using that one isnt the same although close, which is why I need to use the one modifed by Bell.

Thank you.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shadowofdarkness:
May I ask for a source on your info about the sbl being different? I am on the same phone and would like to know of any differences.

Also I believe you just have to tar the file up to make it Odin flashable but I have never used that app to know.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbzgod:
When you boot into download mode the one Bell canada uses says GT-i9100M under the product name and doesnt come with a warning screen at the begining either, to be like this, it would half to be a modifed Sbl.bin file to have those kind of changes.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbzgod:
Okay so I know where the raw data is located (see screen shot)

Can anyone tell me if this would work to copy to kinda "flash" it to something else if Im not using an Odin flash-able tar file.

I did this to copy the raw data

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 of=/sdcard/param.lfs

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 of=/sdcard/Sbl1.bin

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p3 of=/sdcard/Sbl2.bin

Wouldn't it just work both ways and I could copy over new data by just reversing it the other way from using copys from another i9100M phone?

I.E.

dd if=/sdcard/param.lfs of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p4

Would that work or would that be a bad way of doing it?, if its better to just make an Odin flash tar file then how could I make a proper one that works with Odin from within Windows as I am not running any Linux machines.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
You should be able to do this with param, yes:

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 of=/sdcard/param.lfs bs=512

then restore it on another device:

dd if=/sdcard/param.lfs of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 bs=512

or you can indeed tar param.lfs up:

tar cvf param.tar param.lfs

^^^ ODIN flashable.

Whatever you do, don't do the same thing with SBL. Just don't :) Big chance for a brick.

I don't advise using any of these methods! What I'd advise you to do is find the original firmware, and simply extract the sbl.bin and param.lfs from that, tar those up, and flash those with ODIN.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbzgod:
Thank you for the quick reply, much appreciated.

However as for the SBL , unfortunately I am unable to get this from anywhere else, Bell Canada does not include it in any of their SGS2 Firmware files so that is why I am left with needing to do this in the first place. Perhaps would it just be safer to copy the SBl file tar it up and flash via Odin?

Also why blocksize 512? (using Yaffs Explorer) it shows the blocksize properties to all be 4096
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZACQ8:
Wow, really pleased to see a real devoloper touch on this QA forum,

thanks for advice Chainfire...
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
Don't mess with SBL. Just don't do it!

As for blocksize 512 over 4096, if the blocksize is actually 4096 use that :)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbzgod:
Well now im not even sure about the block sizes and what to use now O.o, attached screen shot shows the property info of the mmcblk0p4 block which I thought ment the block size for IO Block but I could be wrong. However Im also basing my information about the block size upon this thread:

http://androidforums.com/behold-2-all-things-root/54424-creating-custom-roms-backups-odin.html

they all use bs 4096 in the copying process. But does using a different block size even matter? I understand the base concepts of block sizes in regaurds to tape drives but we arnt coping data off tapes lol so not even sure if any of that even matters with modern day storage. By default if you copy without specifing a bs=x then it automaticly copys as 512 so im just now not sure what to use.

What about just doing

Cat /dev/block/mmcblk0p4 > /sdcard/param.lfs

does this work better to make a copy without the concern for blocksizes or does that copying method not work properly if the idea in mind is for flashing?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
Use either 512 or 4096, doesn't really matter in this case. Don't use cat.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] E:V:A:
Your blocksize question is valid, but only to the extent if the size of the file/partition is not a zero modulus of the blocksize. In other words, if the size of the original file you're using, is evenly divisible (without reminder) by the blocksize or 1.

Why? Because otherwise you risk having the OS pad your not already filled blocks. So that if you dd a 512 K file with bs=1024, you may end up with having a file twice the size, with 512K padded. ***

However, as you mentioned, this is old school, and seriously I have not tested how this is implemented on AOS.

So, if you're not sure, just use bs=1 or bs=<filesize>. The only difference, AFAIK, is how many bytes are read into the buffer during the copy process, which mean that using bs=1 may be just a bit slower, than reading in/out the whole file in one go. (Given that <filesize> is not a risk for you running out of memory!)

BTW. Why do you think you need to change your SBL??

(If your phone boots, don't mess with it!)

***EDIT: ...allocated blocks. So that if you dd a 512 K file with bs=1024, you may end up with having a file taking up twice the allocated size on the disk, with 512K padded, although the filesize itself remain the same. However, this used to be true for normal hard disks, but is most likely no longer true for modern SSD's which have built-in wear-leveling and defragmentation algorithms. And for the SGS2 I have no idea how this works, since Samsung sits with all their datasheets so far up their...
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbzgod:
Doesn't matter what block size you use it always outputs the same file size, the only difference is that when you use different bs=x settings in the adb shell or shell cmd on the phone it will say X records+0 in and out, the smaller the BS the bigger the record count, however if you looked at my screen shot it shows what I thought is the Blocks is set to 0 and IO Block 4096. So I honestly think its fine with no setting (which defaults at 512) or 4096 which copys faster and is appearently how HellKat uses in his apps for backingup the EFS and others (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15670403#post15670403)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
Using the actual physical blocksize when reading improves speed, when writing reduces wear on the flash chips. If you'd actually be using bs=1 while writing (assuming the chip hardware and/or kernel do not have provisions for that, or the software circumvents them) on a 4096 blocksize chip, you'd be creating 4096x the wear on the chip.

Again though, 512 vs 4096 doesn't usually matter that much. The important thing is to leave your SBL alone.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] E:V:A:
^^ You're absolutely right, thanks for catching my error! (I should be banned from posting here, before having had my complete morning dose of coffee!)