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[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
there are games that come out for console only. lets use HALO as an example.

i can play any game now right now with the console i pay $300 for. from a numbers point console is cheaper.

i can also sell my old stuff back and transition into a new one with out a problem or more money out of pocket.

with console you never need up upgrade for 10 years. with pc you will so lets start fresh shall we.

(assuming you built your rig this year) Lets forget the past cost and go with what we have now shall we?

take ps4

$400 for the console

$1200 for your pc

in ten years

my console is still $400

your pc 1200 start with another 300 over the next 10 years.

tell me again how its cheaper?

(AGAIN IM USING YOUR NUMBERS)

we can leave the price of games out. for the most part they are equal. if we want to go for cost perspective. PSN gives you free one each month BLAH BLAH BLAH
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
Didn't Xbox 360s have a red ring of death after a certain amount of game time?

If you read, I don't need 1k for a better rig. Starter rigs can range from $500-1k depending on HDD/SSD, optical disk drives, case, etc. When upgrading for performance, you only need CPU (sometimes motherboard depending if your MB isn't compatible), sometimes ram depending on MB ram slots and current ram, and video card (if you choose).

Most CPU/MB combos run from $75-200 depending. Video cards run from $50-300 and ram is usually $30 a slot.

Doing the math I can upgrade for $50-500 depending on needs. Usually is $150-200.

I do not see how upgrade is $1k as you state
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
im using gray's math not yours. he is saying it cost less.

and if your argument is RRoD one can say HHD failure, power supply failure BSOF ect... each has pros and cons.

im saying from a numbers perspective.

my console, the PS4 is only $400

your pc starts at $500 and increase to get to the spec of the $400 PS4
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
When I upgrade my parts, I Frankenstein a rig together that sells for $300+ dollars if you really want to talk about selling old stuff to upgrade... Which nearly nulls my upgrade costs. All I put in the $300 build is a cheap $50 HDD, $10 case, and $20 Optical drive. So I make $200 on sometimes a $150 upgrade. Thank you for bringing up the reselling ;)
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
again, you need to upgrade HW when i wouldnt.

now with that being said. build a pc with the same if not better specs of PS4 the same price or lower?

you cant.

EDIT: plus with the console and how standardize it is, optimizing games for it is 100% easier.

(lunch, be back in a little bit)
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
POLETICKS
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
I have built a rig comparable to mine for less than $200 once. It was hand-me-down parts. As you said PS4 is standardized, you cannot hand build one.

All it takes is a friend upgrading his computer and you swoop in asking for his old parts. Sometimes you can build for free.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
You're not reading all my post. I'm saying at retail cost. A console is cheaper.

I'm not saying deals, quality, titles, ect.

I'm saying cost of a console is a lot lower than a PC will be. That's all
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
You ever shop at Fry's electronics? I have found pre-built PCs that will run games fine for $250 easily. Then buy a KB/mouse and controller for $40 total. Same as a console you can hook up to an HDMI port on your TV, no monitor needed. You were going by "best" standards which is not needed for games, I build enough PCs to know.

You twisted enough of your post to coincide with your belief enough where pulling that card was necessary. When we were talking about best price on our PC over console was the fact we could spend 500-1k one time and it would work on two or more generations of consoles. (Xbox360-current generation). My original rig built in 2010 would still work on today's games. I did not upgrade for that purpose. I upgraded for HD video encoding/mixing. games were not an issue
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
HW vs HW thats all im trying to say. Leave titles, perks, ect out of it.

start with this years tech

show me a prebuilt PC that can do what a PS4 can do out of the box please.

just link it and i will admit i am wrong.

you need a GFX card to do HDMI at 720p out.

thats half your budget right there. GOOD LUCK.

FYI doesnt need to be the same manufacture. just needs to do the same performance.
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
http://www.frys.com/product/7339714?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG and that is online. In the store you can get store built for cheaper
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
valiant effort but its over budget. $99

also no blu ray but we can let that slide

no usb 3.0
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
Only one online near budget. In store it isn't branded. Same specs $250 for store built PC. I am sure the $400 has blu-ray.

Edit: And you want one the PS4 does, what about a PS4 that comes out of the box that a PC does? Can you USB debug on a PS4? Can you use HD video editing software like Sony Vegas studio 12 on a PS4? Can you build a rom? Make a virtual environment to test out an apk you made? How about factoring in a cheap PC to do tasks you need a PC for in your price?

Edit 2: also remember, I can play any old PC game. Tribes, half-life, Unreal, the sims... Even older console games with an emulator and it's disk (FFVII for PS1, etc) or the ROM for cartridge games. Touching legal grey area, ik, but makes a point.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Okay I know I'm late to this, my PC cost about $1000 with all the periferals and such. I have since then purchased 110 games, guess how much I payed? $300 that's around an average of $3 per game. Only about 1/4 of these games are indie to. If I were to purchase all of these games on a console(some I couldn't because of PC exclusivity) it would cost is around $1000 if you buy used.

You guys are also forgetting that PF has its fair share of exclusives too. Hell we have exclusive genres like RTS and to a lesser degree turn base strategy. Games also run a lot better and you can always turn down the graphics. Also PCs are multipurpose machines that you can do a lot of other things on.

Now the last thing I want to say about PC gaming which at the time I didn't know would be such a huge deal, modding. I honestly don't think I could play any Bethesda game without mods now. You can always ad fresh stuff to the game and that is why Skyrim is my most played game of all time.
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
Good idea, but he said forget the game part (as we know all games come out for PC usually $10-15 cheaper on release day)

One factor he keeps on forgetting is he still needs to put in a price for his PC to do other things a console cannot do. Still waiting on his response to that.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
That's what I don't get. Why do they not understand that they have already spent $500+ on a regular computer, so why not just add the extra $500 they were going to spend on a console and get a better PC? Then you save a ton in the long run.

Logic is hard.
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
I already proved the $500 one is close to PS4 specs (no BR or USB 3.0, but those can be bought for less than $75 each).

I guess some people think we buy a new PC just for gaming :eek:
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
I am out of thanks.

In other news I am playing Twilight Princess on my overpriced PC.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
the debait was on the cost of a console vs pc:

fact, you cant get a pc for the same price that a console offers.

as for games, most major titles are available for both and the cost is roughly the same.

i understand you can do video edit, cant use a keyboard, cant us a mouse ect.

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING.

a console cost a lot less than a pc and will never need to be upgraded for 10 years to keep playing games release during that time. no upgrade need no more ram, no need to get a better GFX card. NOTHING

<logic> :eek: > :silly:

EDIT: find me a pc that will have similar specs to the PS4 that will cost less. thats all im asking. not theoretical deal, no in store price may very. is that so hard?
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
So I'm going to pose this question to you guys. For my major I have to buy a laptop(going for software development). Now, if at all possible I'd like to use my laptop for gaming as well. What would you guys get to make that happen, and an estimated price tag? I think(not sure) that I have around $2200 to spend.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
i said ps4

^_^
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
I know, but if I HAVE to buy a laptop for school anyway, I might as well go all out and get one with good enough specs to actually game on. You guys know the cost of things like that better than I do, so I figured I'd ask. In the long run, I'm probably still getting a PS4.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
yeah, i would have to bow out on this one. i know nothing when it comes to pc hardware. i have a Lifebook AH531/gfo i bought a year ago for $600 + tax and protection and the thing rocks. builds cm in about 130 min and can play games like diablo 3 and ff14 online.

i only added more ram and added an ssd in lieu of the dvd drive.

/ready to be flamed now.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Guys. Shut up. You're all wrong. The Wii U is the gaming system we've all been waiting for! Itll go great with my Wood backed Moto X!!!

/sarcasm
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
you would go all hipster with the wood backing.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Yes, the PS4 is cheaper up front. But, You already spent $600 on a PC, so why not just combine those and get a good PC? Then you actually save money.

You can get some good gaming laptops. I haven't been in that department much.

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The Moto X looks so bland and ugly. Plus it has the same specs as my Rez.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
i bought the laptop for other things, its just so happens to play some games not available on my console. its primary use now is dust collector. and its every effective ;)
[HTC Rezound] Uzephi:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1n9Nr price without peripherals (keyboard/mouse, controller, etc)

Requirements to play the PS4 game, the crew: http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=8004&game=The Crew

I could have gone cheaper with the minimum, instead of projected required.... Just barely over 400 with shipping

Edit: this was done on a whim. If I took advantage of combo deals, I could have saved $100 or so going local route (fry's electronics has byo deals weekly)
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
You're stupid if you think it really has the same specs as your Rez. That's like saying my macbook has the same specs as a new macbook air because they both have a dual core processor and almost the same RAM

Sent from my Nexus 4
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
we're getting their. best ive seen yet. :good:
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
It was an exaggeration, but the specs aren't that exciting.
[HTC Rezound] demmo86rt:
Yes

#BlameAnt
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
Consoles has their place like everything else. Kinda hard to do two player games on computers unless the other person has a computer with them. How many parents wouldn't let their kids play on their gaming rig? I for one have no use for a gaming rig beings the games for the consoles has gotten so much better. I don't have to worry about drivers and so on with my ps3. Also I haven't touched my laptop in like forever since I got my tablet. I like my ps3 might not be a gaming computer but looks damn good on my TV :'p
[HTC Rezound] Khayos:
YZ - Thank you. :) Those rules are quite reasonable and should be easy to follow.
[HTC Rezound] BreatheALittle:
Khayos! Where's the female unity?!? ;)
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
So.......
[HTC Rezound] evilstewie23:
I guess I'm just gonna wait for the ps5 and Xbox two.

Sent From My..........REZOUND!!!!!
[HTC Rezound] tehknics:
I feel like a hermit in a closet when I game on a PC lol. I used to back in the day, but it's much more enjoyable to me to grab the controller, sit on the couch, and play whatever while still being somewhat social.

Yes I know that I could get a PC, hook it up, use a controller, etc, but then Uncharted wouldn't be an option ;)

PS3 (and then 4 at some point)!
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
I got me the nexus 7 today and man is it nice
[HTC Rezound] Khayos:
Wt..? You left me with these little boys and their console measuring contests.

Lol
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
:laugh:

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anyone else catch this?

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...41993388259674-lMyQjAxMTAzMDAwMTEwNDEyWj.html
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
because of all the PC talk im ordering my parts for my new pc soon
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
ftfy :D

side note:

anyone playing diablo 3 still? need more people for Uber runs.
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
I may get both... but about diablo I haven't played since it came out lol
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
me neither, but for some reason i started to play again and got hooked.
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
Is it fun without farming lol because that's why I stoped It took too long to get good items.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
its easier now with the nephalem bonus and paragon levels
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
well I may have to jump back on it but damn i have forgoten how to play :p
[HTC Rezound] RomsWell:
Yeah I was thinking the other day about firing diablo back up.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
my account email is jprlang@gmail.com

add me if you like. ^_^
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
mine yojoe600@yahoo.com

installing now
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Don't play Diablo 3, play Torchlight II
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
at work for another 4 hours, this is my 12 hour day. but i will add you tonight.

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never heard of it, i will check it out though. is it steam?

Edit:

looks like it is, but my work blocks everything that has to do with games. even news or just wiki on them :/

ill have to wait till i get home to check this out. thanks
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Torchlight II is made by the devs of Diablo II, all difficulties are unlocked at the start. Just a much better game.
[HTC Rezound] Khayos:
Cough *elevate* cough
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Just picked up Fallout: New Vegas and all the DLCs for $5.

PC gaming is so expensive.
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
Game so old it should be free.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
3 years old is old enough to be free? Are you high?

edit: Original came out Oct 19, 2010 and Ultimate came out Feb 6, 2012 which was last year.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
Maybe
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
Actually I think we are already friends on it haha
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
In video game age 3 years is old.
[HTC Rezound] ijustwantmydock:
Does that make the game any less good though? Or worthless according to you.
[HTC Rezound] SynisterWolf:
I for one, will try it. I really like d2 and it can't me no more that $20 now?
[HTC Rezound] wildstang83:
This thread....
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Funny, Xbox only got it 50% off, steam had it 75% off..................................
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
Dock finally shared his drugs?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[HTC Rezound] swilbert80:
So.....what's up with that?
[HTC Rezound] pmania:
Hmm, the more I look at the moto x, the more appealing it seems.. I'm debating it vs the one and s4, maybe one of the new droids idk..
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Access code?
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
No. The moto x angers me. Not really the specs. The specs are fine. They did something similar to the iPhone, where they used the s4 pro chips in the 600 architecture giving it the higher performance for the same price as the old s4 pro. Also it's coded very well, with supposed optimizations, giving it benchmarks higher than devices like the sgs4. The things that do piss me off is the customizations limited to at&t at launch and most of all the fact that they built it in 'Murca for that extra marketing line, causing the price to skyrocket. They could've spent $1.50 an hour for Chinese labor but rather then spent $9 an hour for american labor. Oh yeah and the locked bootloader. /rant I guess
[HTC Rezound] pmania:
The one looks good. But I really don't want another rezound. HTC done treated me wrong
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
I want the one :)
[HTC Rezound] wildstang83:
I can respect that, the Moto X will be a very nice device for sure. Especially now under the command of Google.

I also think the Ubuntu Edge might be a good option as well. Especially since it now has official backing from T-Mobile and Verizon.

Dual LTE, GSM

4GB Ram

128GB storage

Latest multi-core processor (whichever one that is)

Runs Ubuntu AND Android

I also came across this yesterday on Google Plus. It brings forth a few valuable points comparing the Edge and X. Personally the point I liked is this, sure it will be fairly expensive. Consider the hardware though.

Sorry for the large image.
[HTC Rezound] Khayos:
Email invite

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Just get the One. Go see it, then make them take your money.
[HTC Rezound] pmania:
See that's the same way I was with the rezound. I loved it when I saw it, but it was supported terribly, got extremely hot,and had bad battery. Then again this wasn't really big reds "flagship".

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Also Im willing to bet the moto x will get software updates a lot quicker.
[HTC Rezound] Khayos:
Yeah, I think I saw possibly 2 Verizon commercials for the rezound, and that was some crazy time of night.

The good thing is you don't have to wait on Verizon for updates, just turn it into a dev or Google edition or grab a rom from anywhere but sprint, including European ones.

Sent from my HTC One
[HTC Rezound] pmania:
But do we know the Verizon model will be rootable/unlockable?
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
It won't be out of the box but people always find a way lol. I'm sure it'll be unlockable at some point and s-off will come eventually.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
If VZW didn't lock it up like crazy.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
unlockable or not. I am still getting it ha. Sense > AOSP any day
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Me too :D the one is my dream phone.
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
I don't think you can go wrong with either phone. Its just comes down to choice. I might go with the moto phone as I have had more luck with moto phones being more durable than the HTC phones I had in the past.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
I have a deep hatred for motorola, rooted mostly in the dx2. I know they're googlrola now but I still have to standby my threat to never buy a Motorola phone again lol
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
I'm assuming you're going to be using GNU/Linux for programming, in which case, I would highly recommend a Thinkpad for Linux friendliness, if gaming is not a top priority.

You can pick up an old Thinkpad for really cheap, but since you have a large budget and want to play games, then something like the W530 might suit you.

It has slots for a mSATA SSD and a standard 2.5" drive, and I think you can add another 2.5" drive if you get rid of the DVD.

I know someone who triple-booted GNU/Linux, Windows, and OSX on a W530.

For processing power, you can get a mobile quad-core Ivy Bridge Extreme Edition blah blah if you have the money, so knock yourself out there.

The only GPU options are NVIDIA Quadro cards since it's designed mostly for 3d modeling/CAD stuff, but I'm pretty sure it can run games as well.

Other options include 1080p display, 32 GBs RAM (only $620 extra lol), extended batteries, and WWAN (fills mSATA slot though).

If this is too expensive, heavy, etc for you, then you can always get a T series or X series like me.

Word of advice on Linux compatibility:

Intel GPUs have the best/most stable drivers, Intel Wifi cards have the best drivers, basically Intel is friendly to GNU/Linux on the desktop.

Edit: If you like the classic keyboards like me, then get a W520 on Ebay.
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
I hated moto when blur came out. Was the biggest piece of crap ever released. My wife's moto phones had nothing but issues with that. Now I see they are leaving that and going back to like it was with the original moto droid. That was a great phone before the dark times before the encrypted bootloaders. Granted if this new x phone is encrypted boot loader I won't get it.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Unless you happen to that lucky guy to actually win one of those giveaways. ;)
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
hey, i said BUY not WIN hahah but for reals i wouldnt have bought the razr m. not gunna say no to one but it wouldnt have been my first choice lol
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
saw jay over at the new nexus 7 forums talking about fingerprint stains on the back
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
+1 for Intel WiFi and NICs.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=43992167

" being as anal as I am about small things.." Twss
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Nexus 4 vs Moto X

I still think the Nexus is better, mainly for software.

Moto X has an advantage in battery life, but other hardware is basically the same.
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
Well the nexus 4 isn't offered to Verizon where the moto x will be. So we take what we can get.
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
I still personally think the Nexus 4 is the best looking phone today, including the HTC One. I'd honestly put the HTC One X at a close second. I think the One is kinda ugly(at least in white)

Is it bad that I knew it was him before I even clicked the link?
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Finally, someone who agrees. :highfive:
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
The HTC One on vzw is vulnerable to the exploit jcase is revealing at xda devcon
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
How does he know yet?
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Somebody who is testing it probably helped test out the root exploit. Apparently it works on like everything,
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Sweet.
[HTC Rezound] txkorm:
Quick question. My wife is tired of her Rezound dropping calls, battery lasting 3 hours and other glitches so I put the call into Tech Support. They were quick to offer the replacement. Just to see what my options were I asked if she could get into another phone since we were on the 4th one. I was offered the Razor, then Razor Maxx, then Razor M. I went with the Razor M so my wife would have a newer phone. Did I make the right choice?

Currently not being productive on my S3.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
I mean the RAZR m is a nice phone and way better battery life but the screen will be a downgrade for her. She'll get used to it but it'll take a bit. Everything else is either on par or better so its a pretty decent upgrade, especially if youre not paying for it or getting locked in for 2 more years lol
[HTC Rezound] txkorm:
Thanks. That's comforting. I tried finding the specs for all the phones but only the M was available.

Currently not being productive on my S3.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
The thing I like most is the size. Its so much smaller than the Rezound, yet also much better than the rezound lol.
[HTC Rezound] Neo:
that's what she said!
[HTC Rezound] Dark Jedi:
I just don't even look at the n⁴ as not offered on Verizon. Wish Verizon wouldn't have shot themselves in the foot with the gnex. If the n⁴ would been on Verizon's network then I would get it no brained. Hope in the future another nexus device comes to Verizon.

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But not about him.
[HTC Rezound] txkorm:
How's the internal storage and camera? I'm concerned going from 16 gigs to 8.

Currently not being productive on my S3.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
The camera is fine. Not that much different from the rezound, but the rezound is a smidge better. The internal storage hasn't been an issue for me. I put my music on the 32gb card and I'm fine.
[HTC Rezound] txkorm:
Thanks. Never wanted a Motorola smartphone but now I'm looking forward to playing with something new.

Currently not being productive on my S3.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Best 100% functional & stable ROM for Rezound?

Edit: lack of MHL is fine, but camera and video playback should be 100% working

also lack of bluetooth is fine