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[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
Select install permanent root it should put on fff boot loader and twrp all in one shot clockwork mod recovery isn't needed at that point as for the extras Google market is nice. I say twrp if you want to try any of the new ics roms cwm won't flash them if you do you'll be bricked.

But it might be a little different since I tryed it maybe fff and twrp are seperate installs last time I ran it the first screen I came to after it rebooted was burrito root then it rebooted again I was greeted by the fff bootloader then it booted into twrp where there was a big reboot button so I hit reboot. It then rebooted to the fff bootloader screen then into the kindle os all done rooted new boot loader and recovery :-)

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This may differ now the best person to ask is vashypooh himself

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Nat3mil is a great guy and he has done very good videos I just noticed on this last one he didn't show you what's going on on the kindle screen I really wish he would have. If you watch the others 6.21 and 6.22 they vary slightly from that of 6.3.

1. Get adb working

2. Check allow installation from unknown sources

3. Make sure that your USB mass storage drivers are still functioning( in an emergency you will need them)

4 never unplug your device until you are darn sure the process is finished.

Read the dialogue that happens in kfu you can see what is being pushed to your kindle

Ask lots of questions if your in doubt

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Oh and use the most recent version of kfu it has the very latest bootloader which is different from the original more features are added. To access recovery from this one when you see the blue kindle fire logo give the power button a few pushes small words will come up at the bottom of the screen.

-- normal--

Recovery

Change boot mode

The power button toggles you through these options.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
If I had to choose of course root first second run twrp third run fff last Google apps/go launcher.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
O.k. thanks!

Now that I've read that guide a couple times, and watched the video a couple times, I'm torn between the two. The idea of just letting KFU do everything, and hoping nothing goes south has an appeal, and the manual method is just more tedious, but you learn more in the process, kind of like when I built my first computer recently......I learned a lot, though it would have been easier to just buy one. Damn.....not sure what to do.

If I'm following all this correctly, if I use the KFU, and there is an OTA update, could I potentially have a problem on my hands that could be a PITA, or would I simply lose the root and have to do it again?

Also, it sounds to me like the custom ROM is the way to go, and actually a littler easier???

Hope my assumptions are at least fairly accurate.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
Your correct but you will just lose root from an ota and yes custom rooms will solve this as long as your willing to live with some bugs. CM7 is stable but once you learn about the bugs of CM9 its not all that bad.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Just to clarify......if I wait a bit on the custom roms, and just root it for now, and there is an OTA update, I simply lose the root...no other harm done. Just root it again, and back in business, correct?

Just making sure.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
Not quite. OTA updates usually cause a lot of problems to rooted devices and if you don't know how to fix them, you may be looking at a lot of headaches. You can disable them for now but no one knows for sure if Amazon will try to get around it. The more we learn, the more they learn as well. Apple has an entire team whose sole purpose is to try to beat the jailbreakers and I think it's only a matter of time before Amazon follows suit. And at the rate some of these noobs keep sending their devices back with problems caused by modifying, I think that time will be a lot sooner than we think. But that's just my opinion.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Thank you.

That definitely all makes perfect sense. Like I said, I'd like to change a few things, and rooting it would allow the little changes that would make me content for a bit, but it's either just root it, and disable the updates(with fingers crossed they don't get around it for a bit), or go straight to the custom roms, and updates are no longer in the equation......am I on the right page with that?

Also, If I decide to just root it for now, and disable the updates, and Amazon finds a way around it in the not too distant future, how hard is to just go back to the stock device?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
Yeah right page http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1399072
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
As of now it's easy to go back to stock but there's no guarantee it'll stay that way. As time progresses, Amazon's updates have tried to make it more difficult to mod the device, from implementing a root check to disabling the use of adb. You never know if one day they'll decide to disable fastboot or lock the bootloader. You can disable otacerts.zip to stop the updates, but no one knows if that will always work or if they'll be able to find a way around it. Some people will tell you that Amazon does these these types of things to prevent damage to the device, but let's face it, Amazon is in the business of making money. And with every device they sell, they're taking a loss. They're expecting revenue from the app store and VOD to recoup their losses, which they will likely never get back from users running rooted devices with Play store installed.

Again, this is only my opinion and I have a lot more where that came from, so take it for what it's worth.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Yeah, right now I'd just like to set the Go wallpapers, and it has to be rooted to do that, and I can't stand the fact that I can't. It definitely sort of makes me wish I had waited to get a true tablet of some kind, but my wife got one first, mainly because she wanted an e-reader, and then I saw the refurbished ones on a Gold Box sale, and couldn't resist, and they screwed up my order, and I got a brand new one for the refurb price. It does what I want, I just don't like not being able to change what I want.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
You're probably pretty spot on with your opinion. Like you said, they're in business to make money, and the reasons you posted would be very valid reasons to do what they do. Personally, I didn't buy it with any intention of buying books, or any Amazon products, for that matter. I bought it because it's an affordable quasi tablet, period.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Let me ask you this.....in your opinion, is a person better off using a custom rom, and taking Amazon out of the equation?

Well, in my case for example, I wouldn't have bought the Kindle Fire if I didn't get it so cheap. I wanted a tablet, but a decent one is more than one of these, and I couldn't afford it right now, but the price made it a no brainer. Plus, I knew it would suit my needs, and I could probably modify it.

That being said, I also definitely didn't buy it for any of the Amazon services......nothing against them....so, I guess what I'm getting at is...it seems more "sensible to use a custom rom, and just make it an Android tablet, yes? Then whatever Amazon does or doesn't do, really doesn't matter, unless of course, the device fails, and it's still under warranty, and you can't get t back to stock because of some change they've made.

I'm not nuts about it right out of the box, I don't have too much control over it, so do you think I'd be better off, in the long run? And if so, is there one that is the most stable? What is the downside of using a custom rom?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
The Kindle Fire is pretty solid on it's own so the warranty is kind of pointless. Short of causing physical damage, it's nearly impossible to permanently "brick" it. 99.9999% of all the problems you face can be fixed with a little know-how.

You can think of the warranty as being for the less than average Kindle Fire owner without access to a community like XDA to help them figure out how to fix their problems.

Besides, if you're worried about keeping your warranty then don't even waste your time modifying the device at all. That's just one of the risks you take when attempting something like this. If you don't think you're up to it, then don't do it.

To answer your question, though...from what it sounds in your description, you might be happier with a custom rom.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
I'm definitely not worried about the warranty. Even with my limited knowledge of this process, and reassurance from you and a couple others, I'm confident I could reverse any outcome......or at least I'm willing to take the chance. It definitely helps that I got a good price. My biggest concern would be hearing my wife say "well, you're not buying another one", should I brick it, lol!

From reading back through the guide, and the supplement to the guide, it sounds like you go through the same process, whether you use KFU or manually root it, then simply follow the guide for flashing the new ROM, correct? That's how I take it, but I'm all ears if I'm missing something.

Oh, is there a version that is better than others, or just go with the latest, like ICS?

Thanks again for your input, and everyone else as well.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
No amazon prime on cm7 or ics two bugs on ics hold power button for 20 seconds to power off and battery icon doesn't indicate charging but it is. Aokp build 35 is good for ics and cm7 aka standing on the shoulders of giants by whistlestop is stable. Hashcodes stock cm9 is probably pretty good cause it get enhancements by him .
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
It's all a matter of opinion. ICS is ICS; there are many different flavors and varieties, but in the end it's still the same OS. It all depends on what you like and what you don't. Your wants and needs will change as you learn more about it so starting off it probably doesn't really matter.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Definitely not worried about Amazon Prime, haha. What is cm7r cm9? I'm still learning the lingo, lol.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
O.k....thanks.

So, at this moment I'm leaning towards using KFU, but that could change. I'll read through those guides again and see how I feel.

But, if I use KFU, and I'm even close to being on the right page with this, I'd use KFU for commands 3 & 5....Install permanent root, and install TWRP recovery.

Then follow the instructions for installing a custom ROM on this page

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1638452

yes?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
Google is your friend after you Google cm7 and cm9 Google jackpotclavin:-)
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leswgnr:
Just to put my two cents in, I definitely would not go with ics until you got more comfortable with using twrp for flashing, backing up and restoring. Although ics is pretty stable now compared to earlier it's still pretty volatile and you have nothing to compare it to yet, so you wouldn't know what was working correctly, incorrectly, or what was just a problem in that week's version. Go with any of the stable earlier customized roms like cyanogenmod 7. You can always upgrade to ics after you feel comfortable with the flashing, system and application backup and restore processes. Take it a step at a time. Once your comfortable with using the new software you are installing, it will be a trivial effort to add or switch to ics.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
Alright... I've been following this thread for some time now. I commend your dilligence in trying to find out everything you can prior to actually jumping into the (cess)pool. Honestly, I think if more people followed your footsteps, there would be a lot fewer "HELP ME!" posts on this forum. With that said, you might be overthinking it now because there's not much more for you to figure out without getting your feet wet.

If you want my suggestions on the absolute safest way for you to do this, I would say this...

Get a factory cable. Put it into fastboot mode and flash TWRP (or CWMR now since it's reported to be fixed). Change the bootmode to recovery, disconnect the factory cable and boot into TWRP.

If the recovery flash went bad, all you've done at this point is fouled up your recovery partition. Then all you need to do is use your factory cable again to get it back into fastboot mode, flash a new one. Once you get a working recovery, flash a new bootloader. With all of the problems people have been having with fastboot and flashing a bootloader lately, going through recovery is going to be your safest bet. FWIW, KFU uses fastboot to flash the bootloader.

Once you have your new bootloader and recovery, go nuts. Start flashing ROMs and do some experimenting. As long as you have that bootloader intact, you can go crazy and just kill everything else and you can recover your device without doing anything drastic (like opening the case).

Jump in... you'll be fine. The fun is in the doing.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
O.k......I'll take your word for it. :)

Yes, my being anal retentive can be an asset, and sometimes a detriment.....when it goes into the over thinking mode, lol.

Can I respectfully ask you a few questions though?

In this guide

http://liliputing.com/2011/12/how-to-install-cyanogenmod-7-on-the-amazon-kindle-fire.html

he speaks of some prerequisites before flashing a ROM, and your suggested method doesn't mention that, so am I correct in assuming that your method is a new and improved method, and simpler?

I read about that factory cable.....it's a modified micro USB cable that simply puts your device in fastboot mode simply by using it to connect to your computer, correct?

If I'm on the right page so far, how do I flash TWRP?

You lost me a little bit on this paragraph:

"If the recovery flash went bad, all you've done at this point is fouled up your recovery partition. Then all you need to do is use your factory cable again to get it back into fastboot mode, flash a new one. Once you get a working recovery, flash a new bootloader. With all of the problems people have been having with fastboot and flashing a bootloader lately, going through recovery is going to be your safest bet. FWIW, KFU uses fastboot to flash the bootloader."

After I successfully flash TWRP, how do I flash a new bootloader? See, I'm very good at following specific instructions, but some of the stuff your telling me is foreign to me.

Could I simply use KFU for this part?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but some of what you told me isn't real clear to me, but I appreciate your help, don't get me wrong. :)
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
If you are questioning the SDK requirement. All you need are the device drivers out of there. You can get that by installing the device drivers with the script included in KFU. I give you directions here...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23747671&postcount=2

Yes, it will simplify the process and let you skip the part where you install fbmode and execute it to change the bootmode to fastboot. You can just use the factory cable to get it into fastboot, so this part of it is also safer since you can get right back into your system software by unplugging the factory cable and rebooting. No bootmode changes take place for this step.

From my supplemental how-to....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1638452

Again... it's spelled out in my how-to. After installing TWRP...

Yes. It uses the same command to do the same job. However, if you are going to use fastboot and adb for the rest of it, you might as well just follow the guide from the beginning. If you want to use KFU to install TWRP, you might as well have it install FFF too. It's all up to you.

EDIT: I take it back. It forces a bootmode change to install TWRP, so you wouldn't get the benefit of using a factory cable if you wanted to use KFU to install TWRP (and similarly for FFF).

OK.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thepooch:
Once you get it rooted I suggest using this method and rom for your first flash http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=/watch?v=L-zTJWY3CRc&v=L-zTJWY3CRc&gl=US the only change if you go with kinfauns suggested bootloader which I believe you should you will depress the power key a couple of times till the lines match up with recovery like this --recovery--
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
I'm assuming if I use TWRP to flash the new ROM, that it's as simple as installing TWRP via KFU, after installing the root with KFU, of course, and then booting into TWRP.......is that all there is to it, other than I don't get to install TWRP via factory cable? I'm not afraid to admit that the manual method intimidates me a little bit, and maybe it shouldn't after just building my first computer, but I'm just being honest. I don't want to get cocky, and end up back here moaning about all the problems I encountered, that's all.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
You don't have to root the stock software to install TWRP. If you read through the supplement, you'll notice that the rooting process actually comes after the installation of TWRP.

KFU's TWRP install looks like it uses fbmode to change bootmodes, so warnings about changing bootmode to fastboot still applies. Otherwise, you install TWRP that way, flash the bootloader so you have an easy way to get into recovery, and then you can do whatever you want in terms of ROMs or rooting.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
So I don't have to root it to flash a custom ROM, correct? I have a feeling I'm wrong on that, or maybe this is getting slightly overwhelming, or I'm overthinking it. I'm honestly hoping I can do all this with KFU......and I was under the assumption that I could, and it would be pretty simple, but now I'm confused again.

I'm going to do this........it's just how I am, but I'm a little off track again.....
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
Should be pretty clear.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
I was just clarifying, because you said rooting comes after TWRP, but obviously not in this instance.......or not for flashing a ROM. My mind is probably still back on rooting, before it was suggested that OTA updates might cause headaches and whatnot, and flashing a ROM was suggested.

I know I'm probably being a PITA, sorry.

So, can I simply download KFU, install the drivers, install TWRP, FireFireFire, and boot into TWRP, and flash the ROM? That's how I'm seeing it, sorry if I'm off base. What is the benefit of using a Factory cable over this method, if it's even accurate?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
It means that installing a recovery must come before installing a ROM or rooting. It does not mean that you are required to root the stock software after installing a recovery.

KFU can/will install TWRP for you if that's what you want to do.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
I'm going to go through all this stuff again, because I completely understand the benefit of doing all this manually, so that one has an understanding of it all. It's no different than when I built my computer, but this actually seems more overwhelming, for some reason. Maybe I'm too overzealous right now, not sure.

But, if I decide to go with KFU, would I simply

download KFU

install the drivers

install TWRP

install FireFireFire

boot into TWRP, and flash whatever ROM I chose?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
Sounds right and I would think that it would work, but I don't speak KFU. Might be easier just to cross your fingers and do the rooting process. I'm guessing it does both installs at the same time. You'd probably have better luck asking someone over in the KFU thread.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
Just to clarify...

rooting Kindle Fire ≠ building computer...not even close ;)
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Thanks very much. Trust me, I'm not disregarding your method at all. Maybe I'm just looking for a quick, more hands off method, and maybe I'd regret that, as has been pointed pointed out.

Should I just get a hold of that user that sells the Factory Cable, and read over this stuff again until it arrives, and go that route?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
I'm seeing that. I told my wife last night....this actually scares me more than building my computer did, lol! With the computer build, you make sure all your parts can live with each other, and plug everything in where it goes, take some care with cable management, etc. and push the power button.....essentially. A little more to it, but you know what I mean. Every part has a warranty, so you're covered, as long as you didn't ignorantly fry it.

Honestly, I feel I'm kind of electronically/technically/mechanically inclined, and am good at following specific directions, so it doesn't scare me to do this, but it scares me a little to do this........that made perfect sense, right? :)
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
While nice to have, the factory cable is not a requirement, it just saves you a few steps by instantly putting the device in fastboot mode so you don't have to use pokey9000's fbmode.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kinfauns:
Like I was trying to say last night... at some point, you have to take a deep breath and press a button. I provided the "safest" way I can think of to prep your KF for a new ROM. It's up to you to determine your fear factor and decide how much risk you are willing to take.

I'm not trying to dump a whole lot of anxiety into your bucket here. KFU is not that even that risky of route to take to do this. I only mentioned it because it seems to me many people who come here for help do so because they get their device "stuck" in fastboot mode while using KFU. If you have your drivers in order, it'll be fine. If you don't want that risk, get a factory cable. It's your spare tire and flask of water for your first venture into the desert.

You can ask questions until you are blue in the face, but it will still come down to you pressing a button to start the process. This is not as complex and dangerous as you are making it out to be. It's very straightforward and even if you get turned around at a dead end, there are people here who can get you back on track. Less talk... more action.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Yeah, you're right........I know it's time to "pull the trigger" on one of these methods, not sure which one. If I get confirmation on whether or not it will work the way I posted a few posts back, with KFU. I'm just going to go for it. Sorry to be a pain, not my intention. Guess I'd rather do it now than later....hopefully.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
Think I can trust going this route?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251034199205?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

It will save me a few bucks.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soupmagnet:
There's nothing wrong with using KFU as long as you know what's going on. For example, if during the process you get stuck at the boot screen, you'll know why and how to fix it.

Just man up and get it done...my 90 year old grandmother would have rooted it by now. :P
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulweeper51:
I see the hospitality to the noob has expired already. Damn, that was quick! ;)