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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
I actually agree with you and it's exactly why I bought the One X. That being said, I'm not finding the screen to be that much worse. In fact, I like the saturated colors a little more. And I don't know if it was the compression HTC used, or what, but I find the Gnex photos to have more detail, making them look as good to me in most situations. If you use the GSMarena Photo compare tool, the One X photos look much worse than the Gnex, but that could be subjective.

All I know is, the One X simply won't work for me in its current state and I can't justify holding onto a $600 phone just in case HTC decides that they made a mistake or someone makes a perfect ROM for it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
I returned my device and went back to the iPhone 4S for now. I feel the Galaxy Nexus is a step backward even thought I LOVE stock ICS and for some reason my apps on iOS just seem higher quality. I know I'll miss some features of Android but, for now, it's back to the iPhone when I know what I'm getting and I know all the features will work the way they're supposed to.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
I'm all for people on here looking for answers/complaining etc...however, to see the same person repeat the same complaint over and over again in multiple threads gets real old. Ditch the phone already...tired of your whining!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
If you're really tired of it and your phone is working perfectly, then drop your subscription to this thread and troll elsewhere. You literally have no reason to even monitor this thread other than to troll and no one wants you here.

We purchased the phone expecting a certain level of operation. The One X does not deliver it and we are talking about it. Deal with it. This wouldn't have been such a surprise if ANY of the reviewers had caught it, but not a single one mentioned it, so we came here to compare notes, hoping that we were wrong.

You have nothing valuable to add to this discussion, so GTFO.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
+1...it's not like he didn't know what the thread would be about before clicking on it. He just came here to ***** about the *****ing. ;)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
He just came here to be a tool. Why else click on a thread where people are pointing out a flaw and then ***** at them for pointing it out.

He should just go start a thread titled "I'm fine with crippled multitasking on my One X and everything is fine and rosy" and then participate there.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
hahaha
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
I'm also torn about whether to consider a Nexus for $400 unlocked (really don't want to), wait for the GSIII, or wait for something else entirely in the fall. For the past few weeks I was completely set on the One X, until this (and the locked bootloader issue). Someone who is talking to a rep should direct them towards this thread. Would also be useful to get this discussion going on some other boards, see what people are thinking about this.

The fact that no reviewers made any mention of this problem just goes to show you the low quality of reporting and "reviewing" most tech blogs do nowadays. Most of it is not worth reading.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Tikerz:
Anyone try changing the lowmemkiller values to be more conservative to see if it will help with the issue?

On a rooted device, download Autokiller from the Play Store. There are several preset settings or you can change your own.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Latest RUU apparently deals with the issue....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
To each *their* own.

Just for you Grey... Good luck with your defective phone keyboard cowboy.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
While grammatically incorrect, that was the most rational contribution you have made to this thread.

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Where are you getting your info? From what I have read, the update does not deal with this at all. I'd be stoked if it did, but I highly doubt it.

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The GS3 does this EXACT same thing. I have tested it. Browser refresh, game reload, the whole works. It seems to have almost identical settings with respect to multitasking.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BBock9:
It did not seem to for me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ytwytw:
wait for bootloader unlock or s-off

then wait for custom firmware

then wait for custom kennel

or wait for Senseless ROM

problem solved! :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] barondebxl:
Don't blame android, blame HTC
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Yeah, in that case CM9 will be a necessity for both of these phones. Also that is a huge deal, it means two of the top Android vendors are significantly changing the way multitasking works on the phone. This prevents developers from doing almost anything they would like to do in the background, undermining some of Android's core principles and severely fragmenting the development community. Maybe someone should toss this problem towards Dianne Hackborn on G+? I would love to hear her take on this and what it means for the platform.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
i just don't freaking get it. i understand that battery i important but if the GS3 really has this issue, and obviously the One X has this issue... what these phone manufacturers are saying is that "we want the iPhone to be better at multitasking than Android" ... as it is you can have as many apps frozen as you want on iOS and hop back and forth between them at any time, right to where you left off... i have an iPad (the first gen one, not even the newest one) and i have games paused from like 4 months ago that I can still jump back to if I wanted to right now... i'm sure iOS6 will only make it even better, and yet the two top android phone manufacturers (HTC and Samsung) are moving backwards? that's CRAZY. and being able to fix it with rooting and roms and all that is not good enough. it should work without all this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
We can forget that. :rolleyes:.. Never seen an android device that ran 4 months without a reboot lol :p
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kravguy:
For the person who asked about tasker, yes, been running it for awhile without any issues. Also have myclock in the status bar and the notification battery icon. I am also running display brightness to allow changing the brightness level by swiping along the top of the screen. I've never had any of them get closed. Couple of things in my setup that's not stock:

Running 1.82, but I just switched to that today.

Uninstalled sense launcher and am running nova.

Uninstalled a bunch of stuff, btw, use no bloat from the play store and it makes that process so much easier.

I have task manager to not auto start.

I was running the super charger script but haven't redid that since going to 1.82. I usually have around 200mb free of ram.

If I use the back button to exit an app, then yes, it's reloaded when I switch to it . Exiting by using home then its not. Now I mainly use email, browser, xda, pulse and not games or anything too memory demanding. I use waze, google music, maps occasionally but not really switching between those and other apps. I was using icecold Rom on my inspire before and don't really notice a difference between it and this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
haha well to be honest, and i swear i'm not trying to defend iOS because the only reason I even have the iPad is that someone got it for me as a gift and I'd much rather be all Android (and will be probably when the Nexus Tablet comes out), BUT... those games stay in their frozen state even after reboots. yea... crazy... again i'm not trying to put iOS on a pedestal here because i really prefer android and have been android since my G1, but seriously... when can we get THAT feature...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kravguy:
Just to confirm, hit home, opened browser, went to google, hit multi task and selected xda. Hit home, opened google music, played a song, hit multi task, selected browser, google was opened, hit multi task, selected xda. Typing this and my music is still playing. I guess I just don't use my device in as much a memory demanding mode as yall do.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
yea you don't play games but from a clean reboot, and i only have 3 widgets on my only 3 home screens, i can do exactly what you just said and it reloads each of those... so yea. either there's something wrong that only affects some phones or there's some perfect combination of apps that ruins this phone, or you're a liar. and you seem like a good guy so i'm guessing you're not lying. haha. it would rule if we all figure this out. if it's an app that's running in the background or something causing this i would gladly uninstall it (well maybe not gladly... i'd probably *****, but still...)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
I have a theory, and I could be wrong:

Google opened up some options (APIs) to the manufacturers with ICS that they didn't have before, probably memory management or tasker or something similar. HTC and Samsung decided that battery life was important and a priority and want to compete with iOS. Knowing that background tasks are the number one cause of battery drain, they implemented this solution.

The problem is, apps on iOS are coded to save state and resume where they left off after a period of inactivity. Android apps are not, as it has never been needed. Thus we're finding that the apps get killed immediately and have to reload, since there's no code for saving state. Assuming my theory is correct, though, why don't the stock apps (i.e. browser) have the ability to resume? If they were going to push out this drastic solution to battery drain, why not at least make the stock apps on the phone work well with it, just as iOS did from the beginning. I could understand 3rd party apps needing an update, but the stock browser? The alarm clock? Come on.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
I ditched my iphones years ago but i havent been able to do that with my ipads. Just really no comparison. Seen a quote today.. Ipad is to tablets as starbucks is to coffee.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dragunbayne:
If that's the case, then I want Android to be like Tim Horton's! Lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kravguy:
That's really odd then. Are you running the sense launcher? Any kind of task killing apps (just checking)? Btw, task manager was set to start at boot cause I forgot to turn that off after updating to 1.82.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kravguy:
And I just confirmed my little test again with the same results. Only thing I noticed is if I didn't use back to exit, when I switch back to it, it kinda flickers, but I'm exactly where I left off. If I did use back, it flickers for a sec and then reloads. Also, swiping the app away in the recents list doesn't kill it. They still show up in my task list. Would be nice if there was an option to kill the app instead of just removing it from the recent list.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
Just sense and no task killers... I know. It sucks...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
You have a few facts wrong here. This has nothing to do with APIs. The manufacturers have the full Android source at their disposal, they can change absolutely anything they want. They don't even have to call it Android (see Kindle). Second, Android apps do get suspended and resumed as on iOS and do have an opportunity to save and restore state. However, fewer apps seem to implement this well on Android compared to iOS, probably because they don't expect to be killed as often. This is why a change like this is simply uncalled for, it does not fit with the theme and app development of the platform.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
So here's something a little different. Just went into the built in task killer and hit kill all. Refresh. Kill all. Refresh. Kill all. Etc until no more apps showed up after refreshing.

Then I opened maps, brought up some directions, hit home, brought up browser, hit app switcher, switched to maps and not only were my directions still there but it was only a very very brief screen refresh... Essentially it was working... Of course this is just one 2 app at a time example but its interesting. Clearly this thing just runs out of memory like crazy...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] V@no:
Slacker removes tray icon for a second when switching between the songs...that's probably explains it.

Also, not all resident apps have tray icon, net monitor is one of them, it displays floating little overlay with current data usage which you can drag around the screen. It also gets killed sometimes.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
I ran another test agains the Gnex tonight. I guess I really just want to be wrong about this. I really love the idea of the One X.

Started a Youtube video on both devices and moved it to the halfway point. Opened a web page and moved to a spot on the page and zoomed in.

Using the multitasking button, web page always reloads, but recovers to the exact spot on the One X. Youtube video reloads from start EVERY time. Even if I kill all apps, load the video, move it to a spot in the middle, hit home, then multitask back. The Youtube video never recovers.

The Gnex comes back to a paused video and needs to buffer again, but it buffers from where I left off before I multitasked away from it.

I'm really going to miss the camera, screen, and Sense enhancements on the One X, but I cannot live with this. It's going back. For me, personally, this is a deal breaker and the usability isn't there. I also noted a significant delay on new e-mail notifications on the X ,where the Gnex got them right away. Oh, and bluetooth voicedialing works on the Gnex and not on the One X.

I'm not saying the Galaxy Nexus is the best phone ever made, I'm just using it to demonstrate what is missing/wrong with the X. The Gnex is around half a year old now.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] bebolf:
Good for you!

Btw for some reason mine recovers just fine when I switch back to YouTube.:D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mmx6688:
Before you give up One X try to install Apex launcher free version and set it as default launcher. Reboot and see is situation get better.

It works like a charm. No any problem for multitask.And it is so smooth.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] wintermute000:
+1
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zonk7ate9:
I'm honestly starting to think its a memory issue. I don't use sense at all, so I've disabled almost all of it, plus a lot of other stuff. I went from ~130 mb free after reboot, to ~220 mb free. And it allows me to swap between 4 or 5 apps sometimes before it kills the process, depending on what app it is. My Xoom with CM9 is running a lot more stuff and still has ~400 mb free after reboot. I think it's the bloated carrier ROMs.

I've been thinking back to my early days with the Nexus One, and how much better it is now. Once we get some ROMs on these things, they will smash. It's all about patience. I waited so long for a worthy successor to the N1, so I'll jsut enjoy it for now. Plus, Sense actually adds a lot of useful features, things I would probably add myself. I am absolutely loving the lock screen functionality built into ICS. HTC did a fantastic job taking advantage of that API (weather alerts, texts, music). And did I mention the screen?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Wintrmte:
Which RUU would that be and is it leaked somewhere?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] madd0g:
What are the minfree values for stock One X? This must be a software setting issue by HTC idiots.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] psinno:
Does the One X have the don't keep activities dev setting? This sounds a lot like how my Transformer behaves when that is on.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rawdealer:
It's not that bad.....

[YOUTUBE]ughCtHSYnAY[/YOUTUBE]
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jason.hamilton:
Thats the international version, yes? No branding on it. Or is that the rogers?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rawdealer:
Nop....it's international version :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
You're aware that you're in the AT&T One X forum, right? Saying that the multitasking issue isn't that bad on your INTERNATIONAL One X? Yeah, thanks.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rawdealer:
You're welcome :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
Holy crap that video is exactly how the phone should work. It doesn't even work like that on a floor model with no extra apps installed...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phositadc:
Dude, if my AT&T One X behaved that way, I wouldn't be complaining. And I think many others here feel the same way. Yours looks pretty good; many of ours do not act that way. Which is even stranger that some seem to do OK, whereas others reload everything.

BTW, are you running a custom ROM? Your lock screen looks different from stock.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rawdealer:
Why don't you guys root your phones and clean system of bloatware and carrier spyware, or put some custom ROM on it? I'm sure you won't have any probs then :)

Yes I'm running custom ROM and have WidgetLocker for unlocking app....

Sent with the cold beer in my hand :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
AT&T locked the bootloader. This has been discussed ad nauseam on this forum.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
If only I had thought of that.

/smh
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rawdealer:
Uuuuuuuu you're a joker :D

You should thought about this be4 ;)

Sent with the cold beer in my hand :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
No way... A troll with a picture of the joker... Imagine that.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-x-issue-breaks-android-multi-tasking-85598/
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Arcadia310:
It's sad to see people returning the phone just because of this. Do you really believe HTC will not fix this? I mean, their engineers probably use this device for personal use too.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tylerdurdin:
you are so right.....its amazing how many Android guys turned into iPhone guys.....bugs are what made Android great especially if you were hanging out on XDA....even the Gnex guys this time around were crying like six year holds about bugs....this generation of Android guys are a disgrace. This statement does not apply to people who don't flash roms and purchased a OEM device that is not performing as expected. After the bugs are ironed out it will be a bad ass....these are the same people who returned the Gnex.

killing is my business, And business is good.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
bugs are what made android great? your post made me just consider an iphone if i really do end up returning my one x and the new iphone has a 4+ inch screen. because i hate you.

by the way on a side note, i just sent that androidauthority.com article to the htc reps that have been helping me to show them that it's affecting a lot of people.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
The problem is HTC stated that the phone is working the way is intended to be. I would wait for a solution if HTC acknowledge the problem which they haven't.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I sent htc an email about this 3 days ago. I have not heard back from them yet.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kevinksmith:
Aw, come on guys, you're holding the phone wrong.

Seriously though, I just bought mine and is being shipped and all this makes me have cold feet. Does anyone know where you will hear if/when patches/updates will be released?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
LOL what a ridiculous statement. By the time the bugs are ironed out, we will no longer own the state of the art device. The Galaxy Nexus NEVERRRRRRR had bugs as significant as the ones with the One X.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tylerdurdin:
Oh ....OK.....whatever you say....lol. lay off the drugs dude.:rolleyes:

killing is my business, And business is good.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
Instead of making another ridiculous blanket statement to reinforce my initial comment on the credibility of your post, why don't you give an example of a few Galaxy Nexus bugs that were as major as the ones being discovered on the One X?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
Seriously stop. I don't want this thread to be filled with this crap. Totally unnecessary
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tylerdurdin:
how about the fact that the phone couldn't keep a data connection.....that is far more of an issue than the multitasking crap. That fix didn't come to speedily neither.

My brother in law has a nexus he talks about like its the only device on the planet believe me I heard plenty about every issue and Google's response or lack thereof any time there was anything going on. IMO this is just a issue you are using to reassure yourself you made the right decision. If you like the Gnex better....good for you....its old news now and hardware has been far surpassed....enjoy your pure Google experience...unless you got the Verizon version...then....well whatever.

killing is my business, And business is good.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Prfndhatrdofman:
I've tested this on the One S as well, Exact same problem. Sorry dudes, this is not a BUG. This is intentional. We need to stop arguing about this and accept what's really going on here. Sense 4 has serious memory management problems, and it is affecting other flagship HTC devices. I guarantee the Evo 4G LTE has the same problem. Rather than argue on there, we should be contacting tech blogs and other news sites to push them to talk about this issue. We need to convince HTC that this isn't how these devices should function. Or we should be given the option to use aggressive memory management or mild memory management instead.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I've tipped the verge and engaget with link to the Android authority story. I suggest others do the same.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
Oh you mean the radio bug that wasn't a bug at all and debunked by AnandTech and confirmed by Verizon and Google? Is that the bug you're talking about? LOL!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5254/investigating-the-galaxy-nexus-lte-signal-issue
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Guys, this is a good discussion about the pros and cons, and how everyone is viewing the phone. Lets not ruin it with kurt and sarcastic unneeded comments. Lets all try to be civil and respect how others view this phone. YMMV. Thanks.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
Sorry, I won't continue disproving all of his points. Only on-topic posts from now on.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Im not saying to stop the discussion, but all the sarcastic and condescending comments can be left out. Now if people cant post unless being sarcastic and condescending then yeah, they will need to stop because this isnt the kind of place for that.

Anyways, carry on (in a nice fashion) :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Good to see. Who tipped them? Let's get other news sites reporting this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dasilvetz:
It is good to see, but I'm still surprised that none of the "large" tech blogs caught this bug when reviewing the phone.. i'm looking at you Engadget, Gizmodo, The Verge..