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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Akatosh:
Hmm, I think its the entire sense 4.0, I'm using a sense 4.0 Rom and its multitasking is much worse than anything else I've ever used. Ever.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
Can anyone confirm if the One S is doing this? I would expect so.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] paz2005:
I've actually grown to love this phone, but if HTC can't acknowledge this as an issue, instead of telling me it's the device 'working properly', then I have to return it.

I mainly use my phone for email and web browsing, and to have to constantly refresh both while switching to either is just too crazy. seems like a step backward. why bother having dual cores & 1 gig of ram.

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ps. hopefully everyone contacts HTC directly -- they need to know.

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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dragunbayne:
Update: freezing wiper app did nothing to help.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beaups:
I believe wiper app helps with gps fixing.

Also, I've found that freezing apps doesn't necessarily work on our one X.

Just FYI.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Whoa, it will even kill apps that have a representation in the status bar??? That is unreal. Did HTC test any common usage scenarios with this phone at all? Makes me very sad about the state of their software development and QA...I was hoping Sense had truly come a long way.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
Has anybody tried this app from the market.. I would root my phone if it works.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimization&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnNtYXJ0cHJvamVjdHMuUkFNT3B0aW1pemF0aW9uIl0.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] V@no:
Maybe if they would get flooded by emails seeking support for this issue (http://www.htc.com/us/support/email-support) they would do something about it?

I've already sent mine.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] t0mmy:
Here is what I sent HTC:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Me too just now.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] adiliyo:
I just ran the v6 supercharger and it seems to help quite a bit, I will test music apps with it on my break and report back
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
I just realized...this multitasking abomination would make it completely impossible to use an app like Tasker, right? I use Tasker on my phone, don't even put its icon in the status bar, and it never dies and it always works. I'm guessing the One X would terminate Tasker so quickly it could never be used for anything. Does anyone here use Tasker and can confirm?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Chillyw:
Early results for me indicate that rooting and uninstalling facebook made a huge difference.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I use Facebook a lot but its become a bear of an app. It not only uses a lot of ram it also uses GPS every time you run it. Price I pay to be a social butterfly
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beaups:
Has anyone confirmed we actually have 1GB RAM? I know some gets reserved for system but task managers only report 6xx total. Since ATT slashed the internal SD, could they have slashed RAM? Could we be dealing with a REAL low-ram issue? Just thinking out loud.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nightranger73:
That's why we need real AOSP rom... sense 4 is a real s#@t on memory management and when phone goes in deep sleep even basic services like alarm clock are purged from memory

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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DonDeyv:
Does not work for me either with my International HTC One X (unbranded Swiss phone).

Hope HTC fixes this soon... It sucks not being able to resume a game, considering, that it worked without problems on my old Desire HD.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
See here: http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one-x/172670-why-i-took-back-my-t-one-x-3.html

Guy claims this could be due to edits HTC made in drivers/misc/lowmemorykiller.c. If so a new kernel would need to be in order to fix this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
In my limited testing with Navigation, the Nav app stayed running in the background no matter what else I did, so I wonder if that app gets priority. If so, why did other core apps get the shaft. Of course, I didn't run navigation for that long to test, so it could be affected like everything else.

To those saying that this doesn't bother you: Why? Did you come straight from iOS 3 or something? Multitasking has been a core element of Android since its inception and while it has also been a big battery drain, that seems to be much better with ICS. There was no need/reason to cripple multitasking this badly on the One X.

And if it was a bug, I could understand, but HTC reps are stating that this is the way it is intended to work. I can't fathom someone wanting a phone that won't run anything in the background or save states, no matter how good the hardware is.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Anything with a tray icon will keep running. This is the way Android is designed, and haven't had an issue with that on the One X.

For example, I use MS Lync 2010 for work, and it gives you the option of using the tray icon or not. Without the icon active, I was constantly getting signed out of Lync and having to re-open the app. When I set it to use the tray icon, my Lync is always signed in and never closes.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rambo8987:
I downloaded vm heap from market and rebooted, I'm noticing way less app restarts than before. I set the value to 128m
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
Wrong. My One X is killing apps with tray icons as well. Slacker is a perfect example. Some may work, but all most definitely do not. The memory management is just too aggressive.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Here's the thing with Navigation. When you actually choose a destination, it puts a Navigation icon in the system tray. This ensures that Android doesn't close the app, so it will always stay running. I have a feeling some people are just loading up Navigation and hitting "Map," rather than entering a destination. This mode does NOT put an icon in the tray, and thus Navigation isn't safe from being killed by memory management.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
Can someone with a One X test something for me? I left mine at home.

1) Load messaging

2) Load Engadget.com in the browser

3) Start a game of Angry Birds and start playing

4) Multitask to messaging

5) Multitask to the browser

6) Multitask back to Angry Birds

7) Do NOT hit the home button at any time during this.

Did the browser refresh? Did Angry Birds reload or resume?

In my testing on the GS3, if I don't hit the home button, I'm able to resume the Angry Birds game, even after a few minutes. If I use the home button, all bets are off. I'm wondering if it's the same on the One X.

Unfortunately, the Browser refreshes no matter what, which is annoying. Also, after loading several more apps, Angry Birds died and had to reload when I multitasked back to it.

So it looks like all of the manufacturers are going with the super aggressive memory management?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Wow, that's crazy. Definitely doesn't happen for me. I'm also using AutoKiller, which keeps apps running much better, but still far from what it should be.

I don't use Slacker. Are you able to swipe-away the tray notification? If so, that's a bug in the app, not the phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
No, I can't swipe away the tray notification. But it's not the app. Normally, I'd agree with you, but it stays running indefinitely on the Gnex with no issue. Only the One X kills it after a few songs. It could be some kind of incompatibility with the One X specifically, but considering how similar it is to the multitasking behavior of other apps on that phone, I tend to blame the HOX.

My guess is, the HOX kills some resources that the app needs to stay running. I'm sure Slacker could be updated to combat this, but it doesn't change the fact that the X is being much too aggressive with apps and memory. It's not very android-like at all.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fluxgfx:
Can't say I've experienced any problems with Multitasking. From messaging, to phone, to contacts back to documents to go and IM+ and keeps on going. I do lite browsing and I've got music playing. No lag, no apps being closed for whatever reason.

Read a lot of the thread for this and I haven't figured out how I could replicate the problem.

Oh and on that note my game of Angry just kicks back into place exactly as I left it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Definitely did not work. The Messaging app reloaded (I think, it happened really fast, but I'm pretty sure,) the browser reloaded, and Angry Birds started loading from the beginning, rather than resuming.

I'm wondering if it's just a bug whereby the OS *thinks* you've hit the Home button because the OneX uses a custom multitasking UI.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
how would we launch apps 2 and 3 in the first place without hitting either home or back to get back to the launcher?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
You're being too literal. You, of course, can use home to launch the apps initially. Just don't use home when switching between them in the later steps. Use the multitasking interface once they're all loaded.

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Thanks for testing that. It gave me hope for a second. I could almost have lived with it if I could have retrained myself not to use the home button, but it would still be super annoying.

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You're either using a totally different phone, or the Bell version has a non-crippled ROM because everyone I have talked to has this issue and HTC claims it's the way they intended it to work. Try following the steps I outlined elsewhere in this thread to duplicate it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Whoa, that's heavy. I really didn't think this crap was intentional. It's gotta be, as some have speculated, for power savings.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
Yeah, I have seen several official responses from HTC reps (who are admittedly not always the most knowledgeable people) saying that it's working as intended, but they welcome the feedback. Given that the GS3 behaves similarly, it makes me think that the manufacturers are taking liberties with some new memory management api open in ICS in order to totally knock battery life out of the park. What I'd like to know is: Did anyone actually test the real-world repercussions of that before release? Doesn't seem so.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dc211:
Yeah it works the same way on a One S. It's actually how I found this thread, I was just browsing this fourm saw this thread and thought "Hey multitasking is a joke on my phone lets see what they say."

There is hope though, running the Supercharger script really helps. And running a AOKP build really helps also.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
I must be in the minority...would much rather have great battery life than multitasking...at least to the level that you guys are talking about. This hasn't bothered me one bit...but locking the 5-6 hours screen on time.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
At least on the level we're talking about? So, at all?

Seriously, in it's current state, it might as well be iOS 3.0. I wish I was exaggerating, but I'm not. Well...maybe just barely.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
I don't need an app to stay in state for more than a few mins. I don't jump around from app to app. When I am done with one then i am done with it and expect to start from scratch the next time I open it. Not a big deal to me at all...I see (from many many many posts) that it is to you. If you hate it so much and feel compelled to down the phone on every other thread, why keep it? There are plenty other choices out there. Not trying to be rude, but I see a majority of your posts are *****ing about the phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
A majority of my posts are pointing out a flaw in design and a majority of the posters seem to agree with me.

I don't jump around from app to app either, but if I'm playing a game and I need to check an e-mail or MMS, it would be nice to come back to the game without it completely restarting and losing my progress. That's really not too much to ask and it's a basic feature that even iOS has.

Either you haven't used your phone enough for it to fully hit you how badly this was implemented, or you're the most boring person on earth, or you don't really need a smartphone. I work in the Information Technology field and I have had dozens of smartphones and I have never seen memory management this poorly implemented.

You opened a thread titled "Multitasking is a joke on the One X!" that I didn't start, by the way, and you're accusing me of just complaining about the One X because it doesn't work for me? Seriously? That's borderline trolling. Maybe you should just go read the positive threads and post there, since everything is so rosy for you. I will continue to gather feedback from other people and offer suggestions in this thread, which I have been doing since I started participating here.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sschrupp:
Not sure if you've read the whole thread or not, but there are users where running apps in the background cut out. So running a music program you would expect to run forever, but it's shutting down on them after a few songs even without them multi-tasking.

There's obviously something strange going on. This isn't just pampered users whining that they can't switch between 3 or 4 programs without having to wait a second for it to reload. This is about a phone acting unlike any phone before it in an obviously buggy way.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
what other choice is there right now for a phone with ICS, an amazing top of the line 4.7" screen, beautiful design, amazing camera, with lte? yea, thats what i thought... there's not "plenty other choices out there" ... it's this or keep waiting. i want THIS phone to work the way android 4.0 is supposed to work. i don't even want to root it for the first year of its life if I can help it, let alone the first week to fix bugs. this is so annoying. bah...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
My guess is, it's either his first smartphone, or he's never had one with functioning multitasking. Even WP7 restores apps to their previous states better than the One X.

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I'm with you on the hardware. Other than LTE, the Galaxy Nexus GSM fits the bill pretty well, unless you hate Samsung's plastic build. I have fallen in love with mine all over again and everything actually works the way it's supposed to on it, which trumps the hardware advantages of the One X any day for me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
On my EVO I don't even have to put Tasker's icon up there and it will still never get killed. I've done this since Froyo and today with ICS ROMs. I know technically it could be, but it just never happens. This is with 512 MB RAM. So, there is little excuse for HTC's policy except to prevent apps from literally doing anything in the background to save battery. Since Android is not designed with certain limited-functionality background APIs like iOS and WP are, this breaks apps that expect to be able to do work even after they lose focus. HTC took this too far by changing a very core functionality of Android, and it makes me less confident in the battery life of their devices if they felt they had to resort to this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zeezz:
Is there a difference with some apps and how they are coded?

For example, I have Cerberus running as an anti-theft program (it allows you to remotely wipe, track, etc)... it has no icons showing anywhere but I can access it from the web interface no matter what.

Also, I have "Good Messaging" for work, and if I enable 'persistent mode' where it shows in the notification area it does not get killed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
I'm with you. HTC is the only OEM making half-decent modifications to Android, and I'm really not that thrilled with pure stock ICS (it's still a little ugly), so I was hoping that a new HTC device with Sense 4 would just work great out of the box and I wouldn't have to root or touch custom ROMs for at least the first year. I'm really disappointed that problems like this and the many documented bugs mean that I still can't trust the default OEM software. Now if I want the One X or the GSIII I pretty much have to think about CM9 from day one.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Srgsx:
Sense 4.0 - RIP Multi-tasking...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] SilverHedgehog:
Funny thing is that iOS 3.0 would've probably been better - apps would at least resume from where you left them.

I can't believe this **** - I'm about to trade my Note for One X, partly because of multitasking issues, and this happens.

Sigh, maybe I should get a Windows Phone instead.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
Haha...it's my fifth Android phone if you really want to know. I just left the Lumia 900 for a short 20 day test and had the iphone 4s and Galaxy Nexus before that. I'm hardly boring, I just don't stream music on my phone and apparently don't need multitasking like you guys do. And I didn't start to thread...look again. Just interesting to see someone post the same thing over and over again in multiple threads. We get it...this phones multitasking sucks. Focus your energy on HTC... not multiple threads stating the same thing.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] t0mmy:
Has anyone received any new responses from HTC support recently? Curious if they changed their position on this from it is 'working as intended'. I emailed them this weekend but have not heard back from them.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
Multitasking sucks but battery life rules. It is unbelievable how far this phone can go when rogue applications are not allowed running in the background. I guess this is a trade off. After seven hours of personal use in my office with low signal situation, the phone is sitting at 80% level.

Neither the captivate, or SG II have come close to keep a high battery level during office hours using custom Roms and limiting application runs.

I guess we cannot have both...but liking the battery life
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Impressive idle battery life is one thing, but impressive USAGE battery life is another thing entirely. I want to be able to browse the web for awhile and not see the % drop every minute. Bluntly killing apps constantly is a very inelegant way of solving the idle battery life issue.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
I'm not sure if English isn't your first language, you have A.D.D., or you just can't read.

I didn't claim you started the thread. I said I DID NOT. So you rip on me for chiming in on a thread someone else started and numerous other users are participating in and reporting similar findings. Why are you even here?

It's not just music streaming in the background, either. You need to use your phone more. It's going to hit you sooner or later and if it doesn't, you're in denial. I was blind to it for the first few days because I was only playing with the camera and testing battery life. After I really started to use it like a normal phone, I noticed the complete fail on multitasking. I had to go back to my Nexus because I couldn't even do my job properly with that phone (I work in Information Technology).

I'm not saying that some people couldn't live with it as is and never know what they're missing, but if you've ever had a phone that works properly, you have no excuse. If you still have your Galaxy Nexus, pick it up and test it against the One X by opening apps and switching between them. It'll be as clear as day.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
Over 6 hours screen on time is pretty USAGE time...at least as far as I'm concerned it is. Never had an Android phone even come close to that before. I had my Nexus up to 4 hours, but that was running custom rom with undervolted kernel. I'm highly impressed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] t0mmy:
Just made me think how it would be perfect if a power/performance/balanced option was built into Android like PC's have. The default selection would be set to power saver or balanced so the casual users don't complain about battery life, but the power users that want full multitasking at the expense of battery life can select the performance option. Everybody wins.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Srgsx:
Simple features such as being able to read apps like USA today in airplane mode, having Google map data still intact after a quick exit for another app or a simple search on google without re-typing the information when the page reloads should easily be available with the current OS, yet its only the "power users" that seems to care about this ? Strange..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] adiliyo:
try the v6 supercharger script, while it doesn't help if you load something that's very memory intensive (such as a game) it has helped a LOT with more basic usage such as that.

plus it really can't hurt to try it out, right? :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
1) Galaxy Nexus would be an option but the screen isn't as nice and the camera isn't as good. I mean it's clearly a step back in everything except the software department.

2) I've had some good back & forth e-mails with HTC but I guess my rep is off now until Wednesday so another rep e-mailed me. This new one totally changed tune and started telling me ridiculous stuff like "try not to run more than 3-5 apps at once" (terrible advice) and "why don't you try the developer options for limiting the # of apps that are allowed to run" (tried it, and even if it did work, which it doesn't as we all know, why would that be the fix?) and "make sure to hit home instead of back when going back to the home screen" (duh)...

3) I'm about a week away from switching back to T-Mobile and my Mytouch4g Slide (would never buy a phone called a MyTouch but it was a warranty replacement for my awesome at the time G2) which is slow as crap but at least I can jump back and forth between apps... and just waiting it out until the next nexus or something, i dont know...

4) To the people that think we're all complaining... What reason would we even be on this board other than for roms / hacks or problems that we're looking for help with? Dumb people.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Bigjim1488:
If they gave us the option to do what we want and for go the battery life. I have my own office I can charge my phone and deal with worse battery