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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
hahaha. i WISH this phone was everything I was expecting. but yea i'll probably be returning it if it's not working better by a) some update that magically gets released by the weekend or b) by some fix that all the amazing people on these boards figures out. but otherwise you can meet me at the AT&T store on the corner of Decatur and Sahara in Las Vegas and buy it as soon as I return mine this weekend...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
http://nvonews.com/2012/05/16/htc-one-x-multitasking-issue-one-x-denies-ics-multitasking-claims/
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] shadowhawk2020:
I am getting ready to get an EVO 4G LTE for my wife, I am sure it has the same issue. So if you get a phone call or text while playing a game does it have to reload the whole game? Or is it just switching between programs?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
your game will start over from the title screen. weirdly a couple games for me (Solitare MegaPack and Peggle) don't seem to have the issue... but every other game I have (and I have probably like 30+) will not resume when you switch back to them. yea... it sucks...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] acPIZZA:
I doubt samsungs device will be locked down. One of you smart guys will straighten it out in a jiff if it is the case.

Htc better unlock this phone and unlock it quick. With all of its shortcomings and now the hold on importing the device - the ball has the potential to be severely dropped.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Still, it is curious that so much more RAM is missing compared to older 1 GB phones that usually have around 800mb to go around.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
that was epic. i kind of want to print your email out and hand it to the at&t rep when i return my phone this weekend.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Deaconclgi:
Same issue - T-Mobile One S

I have the same issue of Sense Loading on my T-Mobile One S, including the multitasking issue.

I didn't see ANY of this mentioned in ANY of the reviews for the devices. What happened? If it wasn't for the S4 Krait, I would be returning this phone as soon as possible.

I don't have this problem with my GSII, GS4G and even my Lumia 710, Nokia N8, N900 are all more fun to use than my One S due to the multitasking issue.

I do a lot of multitasking between the web, play market, file browsers, photography/gallery and everything, including Sense, has to reload. It is a shame when SMS has to reload.

SMFA (Shakes My Fist Angrily!!!)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
the crazy thing is maybe if it was just the multitasking i'd try to wait for a fix, but there's also the delayed notifications for texts and gmail/email, intermittently poor wifi (just now i had a perfect wifi connection and the xda app wouldn't load this forum, had to come over to the computer to type this), and that's all just in the first week of playing with it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nativestranger:
Its not to do with snapdragon vs tegra3. The international one does the same thing. Maybe its possible to multitask between maps and browser with one tab open but once you load up a heavier webpage or more tabs it will get killed when switching to other apps. Open more than 3 tabs and the previous tabs will quit and need to reload upon returning. Load up a few tabs with flash content and even the sense launcher quits and restarts.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] t0mmy:
Reply from HTC:

My Response to that:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] davidstech11:
t0mmy: Good response. Can you update us in what HTC says. I am glad HTC is at least trying to explain things. But as common as “passing the buck on" is, it cant be done here. I'm tired of carriers and manufactures wanting to pass on the problem/issue. Same thing with bloatware. “it's not us, it's the manufacturer". Which is partially true but not the whole story. Or the manufactures response, “we just put what the carrier tells us to put (bloatware)". Again not the whole story. This is really looking like its just HTCs way of doing multitasking on the One X. Some don't care. Especially with all the other positive things. Especially the good battery life on such a thin device.

I hope a update comes that allows us to at least pick which way we want it. I would hate to say switch it to how the Galaxy Nexus does it and it hurts battery life.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
you know one other thing... i don't think i get THAT good battery life. even with the reduced multitasking. it's not helping much. so you know... that sucks too.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Wouldn't this actually hurt battery life? Instead of freezing the app in memory it makes it reload which requires the cpu to cycle and data to reload.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
yea i thought the same thing... but if that's the case, then they're just killing background apps for no reason i guess...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
Well, I think the idea is that there are no rogue processes running in the background, draining battery. But this is taking it to an extreme that hurts functionality.

My Gnex (GSM) gets decent battery life with full-blown multitasking, so you can't tell me that they needed to cripple it that badly.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I wonder if Samsung and HTC are using a newer API that relies on the app developers to save state? Similar to Windows Phone? Multitasking works if the developer saves state and resumes. Its not the hardest thing to do but until now I think apps kept running so the developers didn't have to do anything. It could be.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Now, here's a thought. build.prop reports 1GB of RAM, as does Settings -> About -> Hardware information, yet when we look at the Task Manager, only 672MB appear to be present. As has been pointed out, there's a good chance the other 352MB are probably dedicated to the CPU.

Now, since build.prop THINKS there is 1GB available, perhaps the system is trying to multitask based on 1GB of RAM when really it doesn't have that available. I'm gonna see if I can edit my build.prop to access just 672MB instead of a gig. Hopefully my phone still boots after this. Wish me luck guys, I'll report back shortly.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] belyle:
Update 2 from HTC support

I replied back to HTC report (see earlier post for their first response) with this:

HTC support was quick with their reply, sending me the following:

I replied once more, asking if there are any settings to tweak (I'm sure there aren't), and telling them that I'd like to be able to use my phone properly.

Seriously cannot wait for custom ROM to fix this ****.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Good luck!

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Probably so. I wonder how long it would take for developers to get onboard?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
2 hours screen on time improvement over my GN is awesome for me!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Well... for a minute there, I thought I had it. I booted with paulobrien's unsecured kernel, changed my build.prop to report "672MB" instead of "1GB," rebooted, checked my system settings, and it reports 672, just like I set it.

I opened the Play store, a GMail message and then engadget in the browser. I could go back and forth seamlessly, it was A-MAZING.

Then I pulled up Angry Birds and everything went to hell. Well sorta... it still seems much better, the browser isn't reloading NEARLY as much. If I go back into Angry Birds, it reloads, and if I go from there back to the browser, the browser reloads. However, if I'm going back and forth between non-game apps, the browser doesn't reload at all. It's pretty spiffy. Of course, it could be a placebo effect, so I'd like some other people to try this out. Give me a few minutes and I'll type up some step-by-step instructions.

(I know that AT&T users don't have an unlocked bootloader, so I'm not sure if this method is plausible for you. I think it should work, but try not to hate on me too much if it doesn't. If you're able to root your device using paulobrien's superboot method, this should work for you.)

Stand by.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] supercluver:
So yeah....

http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-speaks-sense-4-multitasking-and-memory-management

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/16/3024854/htc-one-x-multitasking-operating-sense

They know it, they admit they "broke" it, and I doubt they have any plans to change it. Now I remember why I don't like HTC. The beauty and specs of this phone clouded my judgement.....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Typical Jerry.

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The more I chew on this the angrier I am getting. Yes android is open source but a manufacturer shouldn't be allowed to make such sweeping changes to how an os works and still call it that os. HTC has practically forked ICS here much like Amazon did for the Fire. The recent news that Google is going to be putting out multiple nexus devices on their store makes sense. Perhaps it's time for Google to tell these manufacturers to screw themselves they own Motorola and could easily flood the market with decent phones in every price range.

I hate to say it but it's a dark day for Android and the Galaxy S 3 is from what I've seen is even more extreme with the modifications than htc.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
What a bunch of ****. No reason to defend HTC.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
To think I made it through an MDA, Wing, G1, G2, MyTouch 4g Slide, and now the One X is the HTC phone that becomes the straw that breaks the camels back and I return and never buy an HTC phone ever again. I really thought the One X would be the best phone ever. But the attitude I'm seeing so far proves that they have no intention of "fixing" this. It's just what they planned on all along.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
Exactly...this is a top of the line device designed for first time smartphone users who aren't ready to manage their own settings. Absolutely awful job by HTC here. Glad I returned mine.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I know I said I was going to keep it, but dammit I've changed my mind.

Hello Skyrocket.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] t0mmy:
I'm pretty sure all of the ro.product values in the build prop are just for display purposes in the about phone screen. So for example I could change it to 'ro.product.ram=htc sucks' and it will make no difference.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zeezz:
This gives me a glimmer of hope. Our international brethren got an update yesterday, and people are reporting that it has fixed a lot of the multitasking issue.

"- Multitasking improved; most apps, including the browser, now stay open after having been sent to background"

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1655636
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Omg yes.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phailyoor:
I hope that this means a fix for the US phone. Well, they have 5 days until I switch to a note....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Given that Sense is simply choking the device of memory, I'd be interested in seeing how this got "fixed."
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Fokas.:
I have just flashed the new update that supposedly fixes multitasking.

It does seem to have improved it, as the apps seem to resume alot faster now rather than completely closing, ill report back when I've done more testing. this is coming from the new 1.29.401.11 tegra 3 one x.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zeezz:
Thanks for the info. Eager to wait for an update on the S4 One X.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Despite what everyone is saying, Sense isn't choking it that much. My device's free ram never goes below 130mb, even though it shouldn't start killing processes until its down to 54 or so. Something that HTC has done is killing processes long before Android's built in memory management is designed to. Until we can get custom kernels and ROMs, only HTC can fix it. And it seems like they're gonna.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Loneeagle14:
This is exactly right. There is MUCH more going on here than simply editing the minfree values will fix unfortunately. HTC seems to have changed things even down to the kernel level. Until they send us an OTA, or a very talented dev steps forward, there isn't a whole lot we'll be able to do about it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] davidstech11:
The S3 processor was ok. But the newer S4 processor is too much of an upgrade to go back to it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
What makes you think Sense isn't choking it? You probably never dip below 130 MB because of how aggressively they're killing apps. They have to kill the apps so aggressively probably because....Sense is choking it.

Don't get me wrong...I think Sense looks really nice compared to stock ICS and I was looking forward to buying the One X and using it with its stock firmware. I WANT Sense to be workable and good. But after seeing all this and the other myriad bugs, I'm afraid the situation isn't a whole lot better than two years ago when I decided to dump Sense for CM6 on my EVO.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] t0mmy:
OK this is bad.. my digital clock widget is now stuck on a half hour ago because the task to update it probably got killed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] voipben:
Great news. Thanks for sharing.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Srgsx:
My stock sense weather app constantly says weather update not available. How could this make it past QC ? lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
If Sense is running and I have 130 - 180 mb free, the phone isn't choking. I could have 15 more apps actively using ram before Android itself starts killing processes as dictated by the minfree values. This means HTC is running their own, more aggressive memory management that has nothing to do with Sense. We've seen evidence of this by the users who have disabled Sense and used alternate launchers. Sure, they get slightly better multitasking because more ram is available, but again, that's HTC's aggressive memory management at work, not Sense.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
I feel like you're just confirming what I'm saying but in different words. I'm saying what you're observing appears fine to you, but it's only made possible due to HTC's aggressive memory management. If they killed apps like standard Android did, combined with Sense, it probably wouldn't work out.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mannequin:
One S owner here, suffering from the same thing.

my phone is not rooted and i'm using Apex and Home Manager app that autokills Sense which uses about 29mb after everything is said and done and my free RAM averages at around 250mb. multitasking is slightly improved but the apps are still randomly reloading, especially browser's tabs.

would rooting and freezing everything Sense related be the only way to improve it further?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Reamer09:
Okay, I wasn't going to jump on the bandwagon, but I am using my Samsung Focus (WP7.5) while waiting for my second One X, and it sadly does seem to handle multitasking a little better. I hate admitting to that too. The main part I have a problem with is the browser reloading the page just because I replied to a text message. If the browser would save it's state, I really wouldn't have a problem with HTC's aggressive app killing if it is the reason why I was getting over 21 hours battery life with 7 hours on screen time.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanalan82:
I'm about to have this problem with the eVo coming out. now watching the videos and seeing how this is annoying, I really gotta wonder why HTC didn't go with 2 GB of ram. I can't wait till CM9 is stable I this 4g lte. And that's kinda the same reason my old eVo 4g is still running CM7, cause at least it has some ram to work with then.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dylando808:
Although it bothers me that HTC botched multitasking on this phone, I have to admit that I don't use it that often. usually by habit I just exit out of an app and enter another one through the home screen or app drawer and not the Recent apps screen. I usually use it to clear apps from memory. But it is affecting me because of the way it handles music apps like Pandora or Google Music.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
i don't think most of us are annoyed because of specifically the app switching multitasking method but because of multitasking in general, which includes your issue with music apps. it's all the same issue... the way the phone handles apps that are running in the background. it's garbage.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Using Recent Apps shouldn't be fundamentally different from using the app's shortcut to navigate to it. They are just two different ways to get to the app. However, I have seen apps that are not coded properly that will respond differently to being entered one way vs. another.

I'm interested in hearing more about how the international version behaves as well as if the new update changes anything for certain. The information on both of these seems to be unclear at this time.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
Sort of, yeah. But 130MB is a ton of ram for Android apps, and even with Sense taking up 86MB, there's still plenty of room for real multitasking. I agree Sense is a memory hog and multitasking would be better without it, but it would still not work the way it's supposed to. If HTC really does fix this issue, we'll be able to run Sense fine and still multitask properly.

Either way, HTC needs to fix it.

Also, as much as Sense is using a bunch of RAM, it's still way less than Sense 3.x I seem to have misplaced my DHD, but I think Sense used around 130MB on that, vs. 86MB on Sense 4. But I think I'm fighting an uphill battle on this one, as I'm one of the few who seems to prefer Sense over the other launchers available. (And I have no idea why... I totally get that there are other launchers that are, by all quantifiable properties, better.)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] adiliyo:
i really do like sense4, but if i can only use it at the cost of not being able to do more than one thing at a time on my phone, i'll gladly ditch it for a more vanilla experience.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Reamer09:
I actually like Sense 4 a whole lot. This is the first time in a long time that im not itching for a vanilla ROM...but that is probably because I'm coming from a Galaxy S Captivate and I really didn't care for Touchwiz most of the time.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jason.hamilton:
HTCs reply to our compaining:

Its a feature, not a bug

http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-speaks-sense-4-multitasking-and-memory-management
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] hydralisk:
Look at how much AndroidCentral is defending this. Those guys are a joke. I'm officially trusting phone reviews of average nobodies over them.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
Are you really having that much trouble "dealing" with this issue? Keep in mind, this is just a phone. I honestly believe there are some on here that are worked up over this feature and probably don't even use it...the hurd mentality at its best.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I was referring to the backlash at Android Central. Personally the multitasking issue isn't impacting me much. I've had a music streaming app quit on me a time or two but nothing major.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
This isn't "just a phone". It's a modern smartphone. Functional multitasking is expected.

Everyone bagged on WP7 when it was first released because it had no multitasking. But HTC can cripple it on an OS that has had it forever and it's okay? Some of us choose android because we want to be able to open our web browser, answer a text, and go back to our web browser without the page reloading. HTC apparently forgot this.

I'm super glad you're perfectly happy with a brand-new android phone with almost no multitasking capability. This thread was created for and is mostly for those of us who are not happy with this, especially since none of us found out until after we purchased the phone.

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It seriously affects the usability for anyone who actually uses their smartphone. There's a reason that hundreds of people are complaining about it and then there's just a few people, such as yourself, who just can't understand why it's a problem.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eallan:
They lost me when they defended carrierIQ.

Screw them.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
Do you realize how little sense that makes? Where do you get "hundreds of people"? This is one of the most popular forums in existence and I bet there aren't 50 people on here complaining about this issue. Your numbers are backwards...I am in the majority. In fact I would say there are thousands that are happy with this phone to every few that this issue affects. I really don't know why I even go back and forth here to be honest...it simply comes down to if you need or use multitasking on a smartphone. I simply don't care about it as much as you do. Carry on
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eallan:
Just because someone doesn't know better, it doesn't mean they're not being negatively affected.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] davidstech11:
I been testing the LTE One X some more. I CANNOT get it to stop playing music in the background. I just finished testing Pandora for about one hour of constant streaming. And even if I leave the app and browse around it keeps playing. I left the phone alone and wanted to see if the display is off if it cuts out. And it just keeps playing. Unless there is defective units I don't see how else some people say music cuts out and others like me have it constantly play.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
You know I've seen a lot of people complaining specifically about the music, and while I use Spotify and not Pandora, I haven't seen it happen. What I have seen happen is while playing Spotify in the background if I get a text message or phone call, it stops the music and totally ends the app and I have to go back in and find my playlist and start it over again. If Spotify is in the FOREGROUND however, it just pauses the music and then resumes as soon as the phone call is over or the text message notification sound plays.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] hydralisk:
Music is fine. Go open a game. Angry Birds or something that everyone in the known Android universe plays. Play the game for a moment. Then switch to a browser or something. Maybe send a message. Go back to your game. Tell me that the game saved your progress.

In almost all cases, it doesn't. It's the apps we really care about saving our progress that actually don't get saved. They always refresh. It's been acknowledged by HTC, and they claim it is a "feature."
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] davidstech11:
Maybe. I'm for sure going to test this before my return period ends. Right now I'm testing MOG (again). One time it stopped after a few songs. I turned the phone on from sleeping and it said the internet connection went out. But its not uncommon to have problems with MOG. It can be a little buggy with Android (not so much with iOS). Overall though, MOG had also been reliable in playing. I'm going to download Slacker and see what happens.