yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Because they said multitasking is working as intended means they wont make it better? Wow.. They made a mistake with the multitasking in most of our eyes.. They will address it. They will tweak it. They will make it better, i promise you that. They are in the business of making stuff people want and like. They are also human and make mistakes. Like has been said hundreds of times of this industry. we are beta testing new phones to an extent. Every time we get a device hot off the press we r testing it for the manufacturer...They learn from what we tell them.. They learn from what we find. They certainly dont tell us that we are beta testing.. but how better to find out how a phone works in the real world than real world testing? I doesn't get any more real than this!! Have you ever seen a perfect bug free phone at launch? Nope, Never. And probably wont. It takes way too long for a small group of testers to put these devices through every scenario imaginable.. If they did the phone would be obsolete by the time their testing was completed. Like it or not when you get new tech, bugs come with the territory... The newer the buggier. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
So, basically you're insinuating that you're more intelligent than I am? Friend, I would be thrilled to compare IQs and educational backgrounds any time. At the very least, it's obvious that I have a better grasp of grammar and punctuation.

And I pretty much stopped reading your rant there, because you lost all credibility with me.

FYI: There's a reason that HTC is not the #1 Android manufacturer these days. They are a good company and they make good products, but they are also prone to making poor decisions, as much so as any large company (RIM, Nokia) and having blind faith in them won't change that.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
This isn't an english term paper.. It's typing with a mobile keyboard in a forum.. And if IQ was determined by your statements about what HTC is and is NOT going to do (which is all i have to go on) then either my dog would out score you, or you would be smart enough to unlock the bootloader with a candybar and a marble.. :p

PS. Maybe you should read my entire post.. You might learn something.. Granted it might not be punctuation.. but were not here for that.. :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Alright guys, enough with the e-pissing contest. If you want to measure IQs and cross check each others thesis papers, you can do via PM or E-mail, but keep it off this public forum. Thanks.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Thats awesome, i knew they would address this issue. And to think they already said it was working as intended. WTG HTC!

Yes sir Sorry :o Post edited for being a bungholio
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] charmforyou:
Push email works well after converting to Asia Generic ROM. All USA-customized ROMs (AT&T One X and Tmobile One S) have multitasking issue, meaning the emails will only come if you manually retrieve it or open the email client at the front, regardless how to set up the push mail.

I used the tips in this forum: "[SuperPatch] Convert your AT&T device to the Asia Generic ROM - 1.77.708.2".
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zerojay:
Hmm.. Push email's working fine for me on my Exchange server with a Rogers HTC One X. Not sure what everyone else is seeing. :/
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
I feel like people are starting to become more hostile. Is it the phone not being everything you wanted? Or all the complaints?

We all just need some corn dogs!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] louis.b:
Samsung fan boys are infiltrating !
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Reamer09:
I had corn dogs yesterday! And im getting my replacement One X today! Maybe there's something behind the corn dogs theory....hmmm...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] RyanPost22:
It does work better! I haven't had a single issue with this app--it doesn't refresh when I reload. I also like IMO beta better than IM+, so I appreciate the recommendation.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] amswak:
I've never had the push issue....except for when it drops data connection for minutes at a time for no apparent reason....but when connected, always works fine
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
Sweet! Good to know :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] RollTribe:
I downloaded the V6 Supercharger script, and since then, my One X's multitasking is almost completely fixed. I can run about 4 or 5 apps at once that aren't games, and with a game about 3 or 4, and I can run 2 non-processor intensive games. It's still not as good stock-ICS multitasking, but it's pretty darn close.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] designgears:
I just changed the minfree settings with init.d scripts... seems to work nearly as well as stock ics as well.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sniffs:
How does Sense run with this script? do you find it's killing the launcher and you have more "Loading..." popups?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I just flashed 1.85 and for my purposes multitasking has been FIXED.

I just posted on the RUU thread and then hit home. Then launched Facebook, Play Store, installed 4 apps, changed some Widgets around, setup 3 email accounts, read an article on Google Reader, looked at pictures in the gallery and then when I launched Tapatalk?

Exactly where I had left it with the prompt to refresh to see if there were more posts.

Also if I press home on Facebook and do something light it will stay. It never worked on previous ones for me.

Super happy. This is good enough for me. :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] RollTribe:
I don't know, since I use Nova Launcher. If you use Sense, this script will have some effect, however, Sense does hog a lot of RAM (even with settings changed). so the fact is, if you use the Sense launcher, you will not ha e a good multitasking experience, even with a root and this script. However, if you choose to use another launcher (I recommend Nova) this script will make a world of difference. I have found, that for whatever reason, this script doesn't persist of you reboot your device, so you'll have to re-run the script every boot. That sounds like a huge hassle, bit believe me it is not.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] imstill@g:
Design, care to share?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] slackercow:
thanks for letting us know :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Google Voice and GMail notifications are instant too. Seems they fixed the lag getting push notifications. Sweet.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nimski62:
This is not the case with my one x running 1.85. Every time i receive a notification from gmail or google voice, the time stamps are always 5-25 minutes behind.. therefore push notifications are still lagging the same as every rom for me. I don't know why, my ipad and iphone ding at the same time... EVERYTIME and the one x lagssss. hate it.. this is my only complaint with this phone. If i could have instant notifications i would be very happy.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beeree7:
I've figured out that Rom tool box pro and maybe lite u can change the memory manager to mild and it fixes the multitasking issue no refresh and all music apps stay active no matter what I do
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beeree7:
Root is required for Rom tool box
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nativestranger:
Please do same test with browser multiple tabs open and report back.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] leletyM3:
This sounds great!!! I even ulocked my bootloader so now I can try different ROMs that will fix this Multitasking!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zeezz:
I am confirming that 1.85 is much better on multitasking than 1.73 was.

My main problem was with "reddit news" reloading my aritcle everytime i left. Now I am able to use the multitask button to go to a website, browse a bit, the multitask back to reddit without it reloading. If i leave it for a long time, it will still exit, but I think that is near normal behavior.

The test with Youtube is similar - I can go back to youtube, but the cache is gone. If i hit play, it starts from where I last paused. Not sure if this is normal youtube behavior.

Webpages are also reloading much less in the stock browser now.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rizorith:
Is there some sort of a conensus on multitasking? I'm planning on purchasing this phone in the next day or two and this seems to be the only big issue people are finding. Was it fixed with 1.85?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
to a great extent, yes it's been fixed, but minfreemanager also fixes it once you're rooted.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
I agree. It's better, but nowhere near fixed. Minfreemanager makes it 10x better.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
Using 1.85 and I like it. Multitasking still different but the phone feels so responsive that I don't mind anymore
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phailyoor:
I'm using 1.85 and it definitely did NOT fix the issue. It may be better, but if so, not by much.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
When I played around with MinFreeManager on 1.73, it seemed to lead to slowdowns and lock-ups. I had to reboot my phone at least once a day. Is it more stable on 1.82/1.85? Or is this just the price we pay?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mikey0105:
tried minfreemanager, tried different modes, still not working for me, i'm downloading SHADOWGUN, so every time i go out to text, open some other apps.. etc.. then tried going back, the progress will be 0% again, :confused: this also happens if the screen turns off, even if my wifi is set to always on :o
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Yeah, these are all imperfect solutions. Giving up on Sense myself for now.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sniffs:
So 1.85 is officially to be sent out OTA by the end of the month, right?

I guess we can expect it tomorrow? or is anyone getting it on their devices today?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] shawn1224:
For those running minfreemanager, how has your battery performance differed? Same, better, worse?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ChongoDroid:
Yeah lets just hijack this complaint thread and turn it into a minfree thread.

What settings are you guys using.. any noticeable amount of redraws?

Sent from my HTC Edge
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Lilshaun:
Right now I'm in a dilemm with minfreesettings. With the mild setting, I'm getting smooth results with slightly better multitasking, but with all the settings at 0, I'm getting MUCH better multitasking but many slowdowns and lockups with the phone, especially when going to websites like YouTube.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Battery life has been the same for me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Or we could just keep complaining about how it sucks over and over again without trying to find a solution.

I've used both default and mild. Redraws are less often, but it's still not perfect. YMMV
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tombik99:
Has anybody tried go to developer setting and set multitasking to 4 running apps in background? If I set it these way, phone can handle Opera Mobile opened after switching 3 more apps, if its set to default it cant handle even 2 and opera get killed right after switching to second....

Is it way to solve this partially or does it goes with some other problems??
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Lilshaun:
Run a custom Rom. That helps a whole lot.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] daneren2005:
Unless phones are way different from normal computing devices, the difference between using very little of the memory and using all of it should be next to nothing. RAM doesn't use very much power in general compared to the rest of the components on your device.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fldash:
It's not the RAM usage that's using the power. It's the app being able to stay alive and do all it's normal CPU based operations that will affect battery life.

Of course your phone is going to be laggy as hell setting everything to 0. You are basically telling it to eat every last drop of memory. Just set it to mild and adjust all the values down a set % more...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pascalbrax:
This is not really news for me.

I saw (in a much lessen scenario) the same attitude in my old Desire HD.

I thought that was normal for android until i switched to another brand.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zukа:
I'm not trying to resurrect an old thread, but if people (particularly AT&T people who understandably are worried about rooting) are still having this problem, I'm getting much better results with the V6 Supercharge Script than I am with MinFreeManager.

Your mileage may vary, but it's working great so far.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Miguel One XL:
I had to resurrect this thread. This applies to the One XL so thought I'd chime in (Telstra).

Its appalling. The honeymoon phase has gone. I've noticed a lot of little annoyances during my 2 month period of owning the One XL. A list of quirks:

-Stock web browser reloads page even within 20 seconds.

-"Loading" screen when exiting an app after pressing home button

-Sense UI insane lag and animations

There's others I can't think of right now, but of course there are some positives which are fine. I've tried numerous ROMs but I've reverted back to stock for now.

I just feel let down, as the One XL seemed like the perfect upgrade from the iPhone 4S. I have my doubts so far...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] louis.b:
Counting till the HTC police come in and call this guy troll/ dumb/**** etc.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Hey hey happens to be right
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ackliph:
I don't see the problems with multitasking on 2.20.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Miguel One XL:
Just telling it how it is. The "TL;DR" version is that there should be improvements based on my experience alone.

Its not a perfect phone in my eyes. I realise HTC deem this "flaw" to be perfectly normal, but I expected much better for a flagship HTC.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
It's better but AOSP based ROMS are perfect
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
Works fine 4 me
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Miguel One XL:
Sorry if I sound like I'm trolling, but I'm not.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
Is there a perfect phone somewhere? I've never seen one.

I will say the One X with CM10 - even though it still isn't complete - is the best experience I've had with a phone, but I've only owned iPhones, so take that for what it is.

I do occasionally miss the camera from Sense, but the rest of AOSP is worth the trade.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ryanalan82:
This should do nicely. Helped my phone big time.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1869415

Swyped from my eVo
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Miguel One XL:
I'm willing to give CM10 a go when I unlock and install a custom rom again.

I wanted to like the phone in its stock state, but sadly couldn't cope with its shortcomings.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ChongoDroid:
Multitasking woes are so yesterday..

Plenty of stock looking roms with tweaked memory.

This is XDA, what are ya new? ;)

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Didn't Caulkin (sp?) figure out the code HTC was adding to Sense that caused aggressive task killing? Have other devs managed to implement it?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
What happened to him anyway? He posted a link to his rom preview then said a thread in development would be up shortly, then poof. He disappeared.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
His last post was 8/19... Disturbing.

Maybe he just had to take a break for unexpected reasons.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] danny39:
Or maybe he spontaniously combusted. That's more likely.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] niacin77:
Thanks for posting this! It really improved the multitasking on my phone with CleanROM 4.5 . And it was already improved from 1.85 anyway.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] 18th.abn:
Wish i had a hox to check this out on. I see the evo lte guys buzzing about it too! What is this new app single handedly fixing the one x and evo ltes most crippling "feature"
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zeppelinrox:
The joke may be over.

Check post 2 of the supercharger thread.

Maximum Overdrive... No more silly low ball app limits!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
HTC has announced an upcoming update to fix the sms bugs. We'll see if it addresses other issues as well.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
Well that's kinda a dumb outlook. My 2+ HTC Aria running android also has no problems multitasking indefinitely.

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Okay I'll bite I thought you had the att one x so how did you get a Rom installed? Are you holding out on us? :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Squeak22:
You can change everything but the kernel.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] belyle:
If you don't have one of these and you're not switching over to the One X, then what the hell are you doing trolling our forums.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] wrxdrunkie:
Windows Phone Mango devices only come with 512mb of RAM and multitask better than this. Although its not too bad on the HTC One X because it is REALLY fast. I just can't believe the bad wrap WP gets for multitasking from review sites but things like this go completely unmentioned. Just interesting. Maybe custom rom's will be better but it looks like Android runs out of 1gb of ram faster than ios devices with 512mb.

Another video I made compares what many consider to be a horrible multitasking OS (WP Mango) to my HTC One X. I hope to enable that next stage of capable multitasking for WP Microsoft doesn't have to drop support for keeping web pages from reloading.

[YOUTUBE]12_iTfMEyVY[/YOUTUBE]
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tian105:
did you factory reset within the OS or boot up menu?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fobfusion:
Just a thought..now that we have root can someone look into how to manually change the number of processes to keep alive? In developer option background process limit max is 4 processes.

I have chosen at most 4 processes and I can switch between 3-4 apps quickly without android refreshing them..but after a while those 4 will be killed and refreshed again..maybe there is a timeout period?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sonicrhythms:
Same here. I switched from the Aria. It's sad to see a top-of-the-line phone being out-done (in multitasking) by a 2 year phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] amswak:
This bug is obnoxious. I get annoyed with having to reload Spotify every time I switch between apps.

The one saving grace with the phone is that it is so fast that it only takes a few seconds to get back to where I was in my playlist...

If it weren't for this minor annoyance (and the lack of ability to show Gmail in the 'Productivity' lock screen), this phone would be perfect.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] StrykerGT:
Do anybody here knows if HTC has made any comment about these issues? I really like my AT&T HTC spec-wise but these problems are making me think about return it before the 30 days.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
This thread is full of geniuses .....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] amswak:
care to elaborate?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DJsCrIBbLe:
I just tried between slacker which was paused, tapatalk and browser and nothing closed or wiped. Maybe if u have a half dozen or more it's more aggressive but for me not at all...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
I find this hard to believe. Care to make a video to show us?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Srgsx:
A good example in regards to the lack of multi-tasking is that when using the stock weather lock screen it easily forgets the weather information it just updated when you leave it locked for a bit and then re-open. It's just blank and says no weather info -

Coming from an iphone this is pretty sad - Even apple could figure out the weather center...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] foxbat121:
I got the same thing initialially. But if you leave both at the background long enough (30 seconds to a few minutes), they will be closed or wiped.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tehdef:
It's bad enough they can't even manage to multi task the app drawer. I initially open it, it stutters. Hit home and load it again? Smooth as butter. GG, learn to cache simple things like the apps page...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Bigjim1488:
They more I read this thread the more I get upset at my phone!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
me too. it's SO freaking good other than this. ahhh...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zeppelinrox:
Okay i now fixed sense 4.0 and 4.1

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1900626

Testers welcome.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] craig0r:
No, the maximum limit is to set it to the system default. This setting won't restrict the number of processes at all. Of course when RAM runs low, things get killed, but that has nothing to do with this setting. Changing this from the default can only make things worse, as far as multitasking goes.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] voluptuary:
A WIN for WP! :)

I had been spoiled with my past phones I guess. I thought this was just normal ICS multi-tasking, good to know that maybe it will get fixed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Primenay:
I wonder if HTC knows/cares about this issue?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] quietglow:
If this is an issue of overly-aggressive memory management (or some non-ICS memory managing process), you can imagine why HTC would have done this. Selling to the average consumer (as opposed to us) the lack of a user replaceable battery makes returns due to bad battery life a much bigger deal than returns due to bad multitasking. Most people are not going to notice this or be bothered enough to return the phone. If they didn't manage memory tightly and the average consumer came back claiming short battery life (a la the original Evo), ATT couldn't placate them with a new battery -- it would have to be a new phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tehdef:
I posted on their facebook page about it with the comparison video from WP7 provided by an earlier user (THANKS!)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phishie:
Nice job.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] onthezone:
Within the os
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
This is very disappointing to hear. I've been very interested in getting this phone in a few weeks. Have also been hoping that I would actually like Sense 4 and that it would offer some nice value over stock ICS. Issues like this either mean a) HTC did it on purpose which lessens confidence in the phone's battery life, or b) it's a bug, which is also disappointing because I was hoping by now that Android was past the dark days of releasing unfinished and untested devices (original Galaxy S GPS issues, etc.). Even if this can be fixed with some tweaks, I don't want to have to mess around with settings for something so simple. The situation needs to mature.