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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krazykeyur:
I tried CSipSimple after about 1.5 months.. and it seems far better than before.

By the way, a brand spanking new version of CSipSimple is available to download on Google Play Store.. came out yesterday.

Calls made via SipDroid -> pbxes.org -> Google route sounded inferior to calls made via CSipSimple -> voip.ms route. Perhaps that might be because Google is not involved in the outgoing route when using voip.ms since voip.ms calls the destination number directly.. (my google voice number is set as the caller id in voip.ms settings)

On a side note, echo test done via CSipSimple vs the built in SIP client was like night and day. CSipSimple is far more superior than the built in client. I'm not sure if CSipSimple supporting the g.729 codec has to do with anything, but I dont really care.

For now, CSipSimple/voip.ms has my vote.. even though I'll be spending 1 cent per minute for the calls.

PS: On a side not, I had Simple Mobile for the past month. I missed the 5GB 4G data with Tmobile :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] haley_joel_osteen:
Just throwing this out there since many people in this thread are using Google Voice. Due to my ongoing issues with receiving calls (due to GNex/Jelly Bean Wi-Fi issues) and the wife-acceptance-factor of switching to the T-Mobile $30 plan, I decided to pick up an OBI100 VOIP/Sip Adapter (normally $40, but Newegg has open boxes for $27) and use it with our Google Voice accounts. Within 10 minutes of opening the box, I had it plugged into our home network and had tied it to both of our Google Voice accounts.

All you have to do is (i) hook it up to your home network via ethernet, (ii) plug in a regular phone to the device, and (iii) configure your GV and/or SIP account using the web interface.

Pros:

-Crystal clear call quality.

-Does not use any cell minutes.

-Distinctive rings for each line.

Cons:

-Without jumping through hoops, while your GV number is forwarded to Google Chat, it will go to the Obi100 and *not* SipDroid/PBXes. Some people have figured out ways to get around it, but it's not easy.

But for $27, I could not be happier with the Obi. As far as my wife is concerned, it's magic. She can pick up the phone and use it like a regular landline. I have it set so that when calls are made, it shows her Caller ID. If I need to make a call and want my Caller ID to show, I just have to dial "**2" before making a call.

EDIT - forgot to mention, just to keep the calls from being forwarded when one of us is not at home and annoying the other person, I installed the Groove Forwarder app on both our phones to forward calls to Google Chat only when we are connected to our home Wi-Fi network. That way, if we're home, both cell phone and "landline" will ring. Away from home, only cellphone will ring.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wicozani:
Re: Native SIP client use

I haven't followed this issue all the way through, but I do receive calls with my native SIP client in use. However, the calls I receive are routed through Google Voice. Because of this, callers hear the Google Voice lady ask them to state their name, and I hear that and am prompted to 'push 1' to answer the call. The caller hears about 5 rings while this is happening. These incoming calls through GV count against your carrier minutes, so I'm going to experiment further. On thing is clear, however, the quality of outgoing calls is superb through the native SIP client (using PBXes.org), way better than Sipdroid/CSipSimple/Talkatone. I literally cannot appreciate any difference in quality of internet outgoing call using the native SIP client from a standard cellular call. So, how to figure out keeping outgoing calls on native SIP client and receiving incoming calls through alternate SIP client?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] herzzreh:
Is there any way to get around gv's super short ring duration ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] VaMaxx:
Thanks a great deal!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KRAZYADROIDMASTER:
Just wondering does every one want this to work for free, Or if there was a reliable inexpensive option would you pay???

Are they any other apps like LINE2 that are reliable???
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HemRoyd:
I guess it depends on your feature requirements. I've also looked into Localphone but their SMS rates are a little high. Alternatives to voip.ms, there's also Anveo and Les.net who supposedly support SMS. Les.net appears to be the better value of the two, however I've yet to experience the implementation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KRAZYADROIDMASTER:
Does those work in the us???
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] badpanda:
Yeah I have a landscaping/Construction business.. so I'm always on the go almost 12hrs a day 6 times a week..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HemRoyd:
Depending on where you are, yes you can get a US number local to you. Unlike voip.ms, I don't think you can spoof your number to your GV number as mentioned before with these other solutions. I'm just messing with all of them to find the best fit for when I travel to Canada, which introduces additional constraints to my strategy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ttabbal:
Not sure what you're getting at... Gv rings for about 30sec before voicemail kicks in for me...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ranguvar:
I jumped on this, but the reception in my area is just terrible.

I think it's 1/3rd the carrier, which isn't great in my area (Rochester suburbs), 2/3rds the phone.

I get no signal a lot of houses, usually I can pull in some bars (no 3G/4G) if I stay put a while.

Any advice?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] austriker27:
reception for the phone shouldnt really be a big deal if you are using google voice and have a wireless router there at your home. Because google voice does connect through the interwebs phone service is irrelevant for it. In fact mine (and most others using this threads ideas) actually use airplane mode around wifi- so I dont know how the service is here

That being said if you dont, maybe it might be a good idea to get one and maybe it would be cheaper to keep the prepaid + wireless router than go for a post paid plan..

Not sure what else to do for the poor service, perhaps try rooting the phone with a new radio?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ranguvar:
I've used a couple radios and yes, I have WiFi to fall back on at my house.

I don't always have open WiFi -- if I did, I would have kept paying $10/mo. (on average) with Page Plus on my Droid Incredible through Verizon's network.

Was hoping for some kind of external antenna, but no idea if those silly patch/sticker things work, and the car-based ones are too expensive / short-range (I'm guessing the latter).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thor79:
Got out of my first month without exceeding 100 minutes...exactly 1 minute left :D

Had a scare though today with the prepay widget. Wish there was some way to recognize the difference between MB and GB with the T-Mobile data usage messages. The message changes from reporting MB to GB when you exceed 1...so you have to change the widget to report it correctly. Today was the first day I had data use since my reset this month...and when I was getting on the train the prepay widget was showing I was using 18GB of data or something. I looked into it and sure enough it was back to reporting MB...corrected it and now it's only 0.08GB of data...LOL
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] karnovaran:
So all you need to do is have more than $30 in your prepaid balance and it'll deduct $30 on your charge date? I'm a little concerned because I have $38, today is my charge date, and it now says 'unpaid'. I don't see any options to force payment.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3rdstring:
At the start of my second month I had to call T-Mobile to apply the funds already in my account. The 3rd month reset without incident.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thor79:
When I first setup my account I also setup an auto refill date where it puts in another $30 ahead of my renewal date (refil on like the 10th, renew on the 18th). for my first renewal it renewed without incident. Helps to fully browse all options when you setup a new account with anyone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] karnovaran:
Right, the money has been in there for two weeks prior to the renewal date. My problem is the money is there and it's not renewing.

---------- Post added at 10:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:30 AM ----------

Any idea what number you called to reach a live person? All I get are automated systems telling me my $38 are not enough funds for my $30 plan. This is immensely frustrating.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] haley_joel_osteen:
More info here:

http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2012/08/t-mobile-resurrects-the-truly-unlimited-data-plan/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Google Voice does not "connect through the interwebs"; again, it's only a forwarding service. It still relies on the underlying network (cellular) unless you use it in combination with a VoIP solution of some nature - but keep in mind that even then Google Voice is only forwarding the call to and from the VoIP service.

The patch sticker things don't generally accomplish much, if anything at all. Depending on how sh*t the service is, you may be able to get a cellular repeater from your provider (or a third party). You may also want to check out another provider (like StraightTalk on AT&T) to see if you get better coverage at your home.

Yeah, I've noticed that too. A pity that there's not a way to reconfigure Prepay Widget to return more than just the numbered part of the USSD response.

In theory, yes, the renewal should be automatically deducted from your balance on your renewal date. Make sure you're looking at the actual renewal date; the USSD code #BAL# returns the "active until date", which is the day prior to the renewal.

Have you tried dialing 611?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
I saw that, pretty exciting news for data hogs. $70/mo on postpaid (Value plan; BYOD) for unlimited everything is pretty badass.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phositadc:
You have to do 2 year contract to get it though right?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
Wonder if this is stem down to monthly 4g plans. If they are planing of removing throttling hopefully its across the board
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
I don't believe so. The $70 figure (well, $69.99) is based on their "Value" plan, where the cost of a phone isn't subsidized. It's essentially a bring-your-own-device plan. I could be wrong, but I think the only time you have to enter a contract is if you purchase a discounted phone on their "Classic" plan.

Edit: I stand corrected. The fine print says a 2-year contract is required.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
I wouldn't count on it, at least not anytime soon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phositadc:
So the difference between this and the $70 prepaid plan is that for a 2 year contract you get truly unlimited data instead of 5gb. Unless you regularly exceed 5gb data, doesn't seem like its worth it to sign the contract.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] karnovaran:
Today is the renewal date. Tried 611 and several 877 numbers. I just went ahead and paid another $30 and it finally charged. I thought the idea was you keep your balance above $30 and it renews, but apparently not.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] squashpile:
Had this same problem on the Wife's account. Had balance of $60, but had to call in to get it renewed with the balance. CSR said it should have automatically renewed if there was at least $30 in the account. She didn't know why it didn't work. It was resolved within two minutes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Essentially, yes. You also get data roaming, conditional call forwarding, better customer service and support, etc.

Personally, if I needed the additional minutes and extra data I'd probably hop to this plan. A contract is still BS, but with the value plan you're not paying a premium because you got a discounted device so I'm much less opposed to the idea.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Interesting, must just be a hiccup of some nature. Good to know that it's at least easily solved with a phone call.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phositadc:
Ah good point. Conditional call forwarding is money. So is data roaming.

-Sent from my HTC One S.-
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wicozani:
Which radios (i.e., basebands) have you tried? The newest is XXLF1, which accompanies the Jelly Bean OTA. However, several have reported that on T-Mobile specifically that UGLC1 works better. I am running UGLC1 now with my $30/mo. TMO SIM card, but I live in an area where I roam on ATT. However, the reception doesn't seem any worse than the newer baseband, and might even be a little better. Naturally, YMMV!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] c0LdFire:
Yeah, same. It doesn't bug me much, though. 2GB is too little for me (plenty of road trips and streaming), but I can live between 3-5 just fine since I'm on WiFi at home. Anything more then that would just be gravy / extra tethering.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] longpham03:
After I set up Google Voice for my Galaxy Nexus with the $30 t-mobile montly 4g prepaid plan.

I use Sipdroid

I was able to make call from my phone using GV to other people and its fee.

However, when ppl call me using my GV number, and I pickup the phone, it asks me to hit 1 to answer to phone. After the call, I check and see that, it does count into my 100 precious minute!!!!!!

Did I do anything wrong? Or making call from your GV number is free but receiving call from others is not?

Please help. Thanks alot
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] whitedragonz83:
Google Voice will use cellular data

Sipdroid/google Talk will use the internet (VOIP)

So sipdroid needs to be used whenever you want VOIP.

Otherwise you are just using your 100 cell minutes through the T-Mobile number, or the Google Voice number. You need to have the google voice number forward to Google Chat to receive VOIP calls through Sipdroid also.

Also, there should be a setting to auto answer phonecalls so you can avoid hitting the "1" under the google.com/voice settings.

Hope that is clear.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] longpham03:
First, thanks alot for helping me :)

I went to call options and saw auto answer in use and auto answer on demand. I tried both but it still required me to hit 1 to answer.

Can you please let me know how to find that setting?

i went to voice.google.com and looked into the voice setting. I saw that I already check both the forward calls to google chat and my t-mobile phone number. What do i do now?

I did not port the number, I used a separate GV number
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
voice.google.com --> Settings --> Calls --> Call Screening --> Off.

As for incoming calls, unless you have implemented some method of toggling radios or forwarding settings, you'll probably receive each incoming call twice - once on your cellular number, and once on your VoIP interface. You'll need to be careful to answer on the VoIP line in order for the incoming call to be free.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] longpham03:
When I see incoming calls, (ppl call to my GV number), I only see the regular phone interface, I dont see the sipdroid interface. So how do I answer phone using the sipdroid?

I have another question, I saw the OP in the first post (about Sipdroid) instructed us to check the WLAN and uncheck everything else, such as 3g, edge.... why is that? I thought I should check the 3g thing so that I would be able to make VoiP call when im on the way right?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] whitedragonz83:
3G is a little worse connection and some people prefer not doing voip on it. I found setting up sipdroid to only use the speed code made 3G manageable and then pcmu for wifi.

Don't have Google voice forward to your phone only to the Google chat is a simple way to prevent both from being called at once.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] longpham03:
When I use the AutoAP app to automatically enable the Airplane Mode when im in wifi, I dont see incoming calls. Did I do anything wrong during the setup?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Sounds like SipDroid isn't receiving the call for whatever reason. Does it show up as a persistent notification stating that it is registered/connected? What SIP service are you using in conjunction with SipDroid? Does that service's web management thing reflect any incoming calls?

And yes, my recommendation is to only use VoIP on Wifi as it is far more predictable/reliable than 3G. If you want to use VoIP while you're out and about it is entirely possible but don't expect it to be a perfect experience.

It still sounds like something is preventing your SIP client from receiving the call.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plznote:
Don't you guys have unlimited plans?

I mean, in Canada we have unlimited everything plans for $25-30 depending on the carrier at 3G speeds.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] urinsane:
Lol, I think you need a big bold red disclaimer at the top of the op...

GOOGLE VOICE IS NOT VOIP. IT WILL USE YOUR MINUTES.

SIPDROID + PBXES CONNECTED TO GOOGLE VOICE IS VOIP. IT WILL NOT USE YOUR MINUTES BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A WIFI CONNECTION FOR RELIABLE CALLS.

Again, codesplice you are awesome for patiently explaining this on every page. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] badpanda:
Nope...we are in a greedy nation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrman:
T-Mobile Prepaid customer service is some of the worst you'll find. You won't hear the option to speak to a human on any of the prompts. Just keep saying "representative", even though the voice prompt will say that's not an option. The last time I called I had to repeat it 8 times before I was finally connected to a human.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tom1l21:
I love the integration of the stock dialer, but its nearly impossible to make calls using mobile data. With Sipdroid, I set it to the speex codec and I can make calls even with the crappiest coverage. I wish native dialer supported codecs. Does csipsimple support codecs too?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] longpham03:
Thanks guys for helpin me out ^^. I came to GV setting and pick "Do not use GV for any calls". And that solved everything :))
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mevordel:
Actually what I found in the fine print on the Tmo website is you have to have enough balance for TWO months ($60) for it to auto renew.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Interesting, as I had a $38 balance Sunday night when mine renewed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Nope, you just need at least $30 on the account and it'll renew and drop your account to $0. Several months in a row I had somewhere around $31-$34 on the account and it always withdrew the $30 just fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krazykeyur:
I have done experiments with the stock dialer.. and yes it does suck. It does support different codecs (PCMA/PCMU/GSM/iLBC) but there is no way to change priority or enable/disable particular codecs.. so it always uses PCMA/PCMU.. which are 128kbps (64kbps each way) + headers.. so it's more like 160kbps.. which is quiet a lot. Sipdroid on the other hand, with speex, uses about 1/3 of that.. around 50kpbs total.

Csipsimple does support codecs.. but unless you're using another voip provider (like me and voip.ms) you dont really need to change from sipdroid.

Why am I using voip.ms? Well.. I kinda put money into it and now I cant take it out.. and also because the g.729 is a very fine audio codec.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] whitedragonz83:
Can you use g.729 over 3g connection well?

Also I could get csipsimple to work right for me ever. I always got a loud single tone when trying to talk to someone else with no audio.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krazykeyur:
From my own testing, cSipSimple and g.729 work well over 4G and acceptable over 2G. I have not used pbxes.org with cSipSimple so cant say for that.

Right now, I have both cSipSimple and SipDroid installed.. and use one or other depending on mood to test things out with both. One uses google talk.. the other uses voip.ms. One is free.. the other is 1 cent per minute (+$1/month for the DID). I'll see how things work out and then decide on one of them after enough testing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] austriker27:
As a heads up for people out there, I had some trouble with csipsimple working over wifi through pbxes.org.

I posted on the app's open source forums and a kind soul was able to help me out. Thus if you get an error message "Error 481 call/transaction does not exist" when trying to call someone (it just rings and then stops ringing but shows as a missed call for them) you should disable all your codecs besides PCMU assuming you enabled the pbxes.org account through the basic setup wizard.

On a related note the people I call still say that they are echoing. Ive had this issue with the stock dialer and csipsimple. So it sounds like my mic gain is too high? I moved it down in the sipsimple app and enabled "echo cancelation" which helped but still has the other person echoing. And I muted my line and they didnt echo so I think its the mic gain. I tried to find some settings in the phone options for this but failed.. What should I do to try and fix this? Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrman:
I read your previous posts on voip.ms in this thread. Initially I reported that PBXes/CSipSimple was working well for me and staying registered. Well my report was premature. After the first 24 hours or so, I've I noticed my registration to PBXes was dropping after the phone had been idle for some time or was charging. I tried changing various parameters in both CSipSimple and my rom/kernel to no avail. To cut to the chase, based on your posts I decided to give voip.ms a try. I know it's not as inexpensive as PBXes, but I find it sounds much better and is proving to be a more reliable solution for me. I've been using it now for almost 48 hours and haven't dropped registration once. There is no noticeable voice delay either. Although I'm not sure how I'll use it yet, voip.ms also allows you to set up a sub account with a free inum, as long as you have a balance of funds available in your account. It's too bad you can't set Google voice to forward to an inum. That would eliminate the need to pay for a forwarding did from voip.ms.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krazykeyur:
Yeah..csipsimple is looking more reliable to me too. Sipdroid seems to loose connection/reregister too many times for no apparent reason. With VoIP.ms/csipsimple, I have not experienced that. I know this thread is made for a free VoIP solution for the most part..but spending a buck for DID and then 1 cent per minute (which by the way is billed every 6 seconds.. so the actual cost is $0.001 every 6 seconds) is a pretty sweet deal for a reliable solution in my opinion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pdxtechdoctor:
It's definitely the mic gain on the nexus and csipsimple.. I get it to..

For whatever reason, even with the mic turned as low as it will go, the mic pics up EVERYTHING... this means that the mic is picking up the callers voice from the ear piece.. using a headset gets rid of the problem...

I finally figured this out using an test line that just feeds back to you everything that is sent out the mic..

dial 909-390-0003 - it just rings once and then feeds back what you send it's meant to be used as an echo test but I've also found out it picks up any breathing by mean - people have asked why I am breathing so hard - and it even picks up the fan noise from my desktop..

enabling voice audio detection seems to help *some* with the background noise when not on a headset..

It just seams to be an issue with csipsimple and the gnex..

I've also tried 3cx and it does the same thing even with the mic gain set to .25

I'm going to test some more and will report back
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrman:
I think it's pretty much just the mic gain of the gnex as I experienced the same behavior with Sipdroid as well. I currently have my mic set to ". 2" in CSipSimple and that seems to be a good level for my speaking voice. At anything higher than ". 3", I can start to hear distortion when listening back to any test calls that I make.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krazykeyur:
Here's the results of 3 quick echo tests that I did while here at work on a "4G" connection (600kpbs download, 800kbps upload, 400ms ping) using the 909 390 0003 number:

Built in SIP using voip.ms --> just a little over .75 seconds (GSM Codec)

CSipSimple using voip.ms --> about .75 seconds (g.729 codec)

SipDroid using Google Talk --> about .75 seconds (speex codec)