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[HTC EVO 3D] ZachPA:
If memory serves me correctly, the EVO 3D was pre-released on June 21, 2011, and we had S-OFF by Labor Day. I seem to remember some back-and-forth about who would unlock it first: S-ON but unlocked through HTC, or true S-OFF through an exploit. We won.

The EVO LTE will see S-OFF because it's a battle of time now. HTC engineers have only so many hours a day and so many days to work on keeping us out, while we have virtually unlimited hours and days to get in. Boil it down to a numbers game: if HTC employs 10 engineers whose sole purpose is hardening S-ON for the EVO LTE, and those 10 engineers work 40 hours a week for a typical 10-week product cycle, that means 4000 man-hours will go into hardening S-ON. If 50 people who aren't constricted by the confines of a typical work day or product budget decide they want S-OFF, they only have to work an average of 80 hours each (not per week, in TOTAL) in order to equal the time spent by the HTC engineers. Even considering the hack is much more time consuming than the original code, we still have the advantage because of numbers and determination; while HTC engineers are already focusing on other devices, we are still here plugging away on ours until we get what we want. "Hackers" get a bad reputation because the media paints us as folks who intend to cause damage in one malicious way or another, but all of us here know that the true calling of a "hacker" isn't malice; rather, it's simply seeing whether we can do it. The question is yes/no, not how much.

That said, I believe the EVO LTE will see S-OFF. It may take some time, but the one thing that we should all know is that no system made is ever truly 100% bulletproof. There is *always* an exploit that will let us weasel through, and there is usually an exploit that will let us walk right in.
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Ram I cant quote you for some reason but in regards to the bass mod, I just flashed v11 and its a bit better than 10, there are a few additional things included in the zip you'll want to delete prior to flashing. But its solid
[HTC EVO 3D] Osirus71:
It will have 2gb of ram but will it really make a difference from 1gb??? Prob not that you could notice. It wont have the quad core. thats for the overseas version. It will have the same dual core specs as the EVO LTE. The power button is made to where you hold it down for 10seconds and acts like a battery pull, so no problem there. What you really need to consider is the screen comparison between the two:

EVO LTE: 4.7-inch 720 x 1280 HD display with a 312 ppi pixel density! (Almost the same as the Retna display but only allot bigger).

Samsung Galaxy S III: 4.8-inch 720 x 1280 display and 306 ppi pixel density.

Winner EVO LTE

EVO LTE: S-LCD 2

Samsung Galaxy S III: Super AMOLED

Winner EVO LTE

EVO LTE: Uses the new ImageSense processor (Basically a dedicated processor just for taking pictures).

Samsung Galaxy S III: Uses a processor almost identical to the iPhone 4S.

Winner EVO LTE......

There you go...

Word.........
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Which .zip file did you download for the v11 mod? I just downloaded the CDMA version on the OP of Predators thread and it replaces the FM Radio, clock widget, keyboard, rosie, mms, etc. (see attachment), but there's no build.prop or boot audio like in v10.

What files did you delete from the .zip? I'm a little nervous about these guys releasing flashable .zip files that could backlevel build.prop and system apps.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
A couple things...

First, the 1.5 hboot devices did not get s-off until March. That is when the downgrade method was discovered. Then you could downgrade to an older hboot and get s-off for the older hboot. Getting s-off for hboot 1.5 itself did not happen until a few weeks ago when the wire trick was discovered.

So it took that long to get s-off for HTC's latest bootloader for the Evo 3D. The Evo LTE has an even newer (presumably more locked down) bootloader. To think it will get s-off anytime soon is optimistic, to say the least.

Secondly, your math is off. HTC isn't hiring engineers for a one time job. They keep them on staff full time. So the community working 80 hours total would not be enough. HTC probably has a full staff of engineers, with several of them working close to 80 hours per week, every week. So the community working 80 hours total may very well do the trick, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it. Remember, it took a lot longer than that for our Evo 3Ds to get s-off.

I bet most of the people with the skills to even crack it will probably move on to other devices before it gets done. If the general assumption is that they don't need s-off anyway (as mikeyxda said) and a slew of hot devices are set to launch (Galaxy S 3, a bunch of Nexus devices, possibly a new Note, possibly an HTC Note competitor, a new Motorola, the new quad core 2GB RAM LG, and these are just what we know about, there is no telling how many we don't know about. There is a real possibility that most of the people who have the skills to unlock it will have moved on to better devices before it ever gets done.

It's the hot new phone right now and everyone wants it for that reason. But 7 days from today it won't be the hottest or newest phone anymore. And better phones will keep coming 1 after the other for the rest of the year.

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You are saying the Evo LTE wins on the things that are only personal preference. You can't possibly know for a fact which screen is better until you hold them up side by side. And you can't possibly know which camera processor you prefer until you have tried both.

Seriously man, if you are going to say you don't know for sure that 2 GB of RAM is better than 1 GB of RAM, then you can't possibly say it's a fact that the Evo LTE has a better screen and camera processor without ever having seen the Galaxy S 3.
[HTC EVO 3D] mozman:
What are you removing? I flashed their latest v11.1 sense 3.6 version and get systemui errors and the status bar is gone.
[HTC EVO 3D] ncfastls1:
Dude, really? You think 6 ppi makes ANY difference whatsoever? A ****ing hawk couldn't even tell the difference between 312 and 306 ppi. As far as the display tech, it's personal preference. While the SCLD2 has great color accuracy and viewing angles, colors won't pop out like they do on AMOLED and black levels are well...pitch black. I noticed this especially when watching a movie trailer on my friends Galaxy Nexus, it was the most beautiful screen I've ever seen. From what I've read, the camera on the GS III is as good as if not better than the Evo LTE.

So your arguments are null and void really... The only real differences between the phones are the looks (which personally I think the LTE looks terrible due to it having 5 different design cues), 2 gb vs 1 gb of RAM (which probably won't be noticeable), Sense vs TouchWiz, swappable battery vs built in, and which display suits your tastes the best. It just comes down to personal preference, they are both great phones.

Sorry to continue off topic but I had to reply lol.
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Honestly I didnt even think to open it up and check the zip but I noticed it broke leedroid ics theme and added a few other apps (i.e. Total control) and widgets. I opened titanium backup and it shows the most recent apps added w/o a backup so I zapped em then flashed the leedroid theme over it. I dont use native sms/mms, Internet or anything else that might have changed. But ive been running it for some hrs now with no ill affects. Sound is full and beefy
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
I didnt remove anything prior to flash.. After flashing I did tho with tb, didnt get any fc or error whatsoever
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Plus s-off on the Galaxy S 3, and Samsung being super quick to release source.
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyxda:
Seriously though, look at what they're already doing with the Evo 4G LTE. It makes you even question if s-off is even a valid term any more. The new Evo is s-on but the kernel is not locked, you can readily flash kernels and even radio firmware without s-off. So while s-on on the Evo 3D meant the key was in the lock and the bolt was engaged, and you had to turn the key when you wanted to do something. Now with the new Evo, the key is in the lock, but the bolt is open all the time. So what's the difference between a door without a deadbolt (s-off) and one with a deadbolt... but the deadbolt is never used (this new "lazy" s-on)?

BTW: not sure about Samsung radios. Wasn't the Galaxy S2 plagued with weak signal issues? That's something that would definitely affect me being in a weak signal area, if that problem carries through to the next generation.

Mike
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
If it was really all the same, they would have just left it s-off. I suspect when we find out what the difference really is, it won't be something we're happy about.

It's deja vu. This is pretty much exactly what everyone said about the Evo 3D (it doesn't need s-off, I can flash kernels and everything with HTC unlock method, etc).
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Signal strength is the main factor for me
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
If you take look at the list I posted on the previous page, SystemUI.apk is one of the files being replaced by the v11 version of the CDMA bassini mod, so I'm not surprised that you have issues. It also replaces rosie, settings and the FM radio app, all of which have been tweaked by Mike in MeanROM ICS.

My recommendation would be to stay with the modified v10 version of this mod until the files that need to be removed from v11 are identified.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Just deleted the unnecessary Apks in 11.1 and zipped it back up. Gonna superwipe then reflash everything fresh. Ill let ya know what happens

edit: deleted every except for htc listen, idle and beats apks everything is working except for the beats apk which gives a few advanced options, it might be part of the tweaks and or system ui, not sure yet.
[HTC EVO 3D] RIPBAP1999:
How about you all shut up about the other phones and take it to the general section. Who cares about this pissing contest, they will both be great phones.

On topic now, 2.3 is awesome. Battery life is pretty normal, getting ~15 hours. Noticeably quicker w/ apex launcher. Good job guys. Can wait for the next release.
[HTC EVO 3D] tubesaq:
I've been getting random restarts, reboots, mostly from unlocking my phone from the HTC weather lockscreen. I've searched through the thread and haven't seen many posts about this. Is this normal?

I did a superwipe before installing. Flashing with Clockwork recovery. Maybe I just need to superwipe again? Hboot 1.4
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyxda:
Yeah. It could play out either way. But again, I remind you that s-on was never a problem until the Virgin Mobile leak and, more importantly, the half-assed/borked Virgin Mobile firmware entered the picture. Not sure that's a fair "ding" in the armor of the s-on/s-off argument. My only beef with s-on prior to that fiasco was that you couldn't flash firmware (particularly radio) updates and you had to RE-lock and accept the OTA crap to get the firmware updates, and then unlock and reroot again. Now that you can literally flash any partition you want including firmware with s-on, I'm really not sure what s-on is any more. It should probably be called s-maybe now. ;)

Truth is, the fact that you can flash any partition you want including kernels and radios with s-on pretty much means the same thing as s-off: you have total control permanently unless you flash the wrong thing and take it away from yourself. And that could happen with s-off just as easily as s-on: flash the wrong file and you're s-on!

Mike
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
That's good news! I may have some even better news. :)

I just did a clean install of the v13 version of the original bassini mod for the HTC Sensation, which doesn't seem to have any extra stuff included, and everything seems to work including the 3D camera, which was the only thing that didn't work when I tried his v11. So far I've only done a superwipe+clean install of MeanROM ICS 2.3+v13 bassini+add-beats-to-base-MeanROM-ICS, but everything I've tried works so far. Now I'm going to install Leedroid Tweaks and the Leedroid-beats compatibility zip, then restore my data partition to see if all that still works.

ramjet73

Edit: Looking good (and sounding better than ever) with Leedroid Tweaks+compatibility zip including the 3D camera. :)

If I find anything that doesn't work I will post it.
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyxda:
It's just as applicable here because what I choose to support next will undoubtedly affect my development and support for the Evo 3D. If I choose the new Evo, the platform will be so similar to the Evo 3D that much of my work can be shared between the devices. If I pick the Samsung, that's much less the case. So this whole topic affects my next move as a developer, and will damn sure affect you guys in this thread as a result!

So I personally appreciate the views on both phones.

Mike
[HTC EVO 3D] Adanedhels:
Ramjet,

Let us know if it works, I'm using the blue blend theme with leedroid and beats and want to update the bassini to v13 if possible.

Thanks,

Adan
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
I totally understand where you're coming from. The risk is minimal because you can do what you want with it.

However, there is no risk with the Sammy. It will have s-off from day 1. And if you ever accidentally lock it, you can easily get s-off again. It's almost like a Nexus, lol. Plus they are really good about releasing source.

And if something we don't know about yet comes up in the future, s-off might be pretty important.

We don't know anything about jelly bean yet, so who knows if s-off will be required or not when those leaks and ports start getting posted.

I don't know man, I just think with less than 7 data to go until a better spec'd device will be released (for the same price), you'd be doing yourself an injustice if you didn't check them both out before committing to one or the other for 2 years.
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Right behind you
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
It works for me!

The original v13 version of the bassini bass mod worked fine for me with Leedroid Tweaks and the compatibility zip in the MeanROM ICS folder installed. I hope it works as well for others that are interested in this mod.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] Adanedhels:
Thanks Ram,

What does it add over the version 10 one?

Thanks,

Adan
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
lol, he must not have realized that it was the thread owner discussing this. Too funny.

On that note, it would totally benefit me to pimp the Evo LTE for the reasons you stated (development in this thread, etc). But I'm just trying to look out for you man. The Evo LTE may turn out to be better. None of us know for sure yet. But with less than 7 days to go til it's released, you might as well find out for sure before you make an expensive commitment.

I'll be on my Evo 3D either way. I'm not upgrading until after I find out about these new devices that aren't officially announced yet (all the new Nexus devices, potentially an HTC competitor to the Samsung Note, a potential next version of the Galaxy Note, a new Motorola device (and Motorola devices generally have the strongest radios if that is a concern), the new LG that has a quad core and 2 GB of RAM, the Nexus tablet, maybe the Google goggles, and whatever else comes out this year that we don't know about yet).

I'll probably wait it out til next year though. I really want my next device to support the 800 spectrum, and I want my area to have LTE rolled out before I buy an LTE phone. Sprint 3G is just brutal around here, so the Wimax is pretty important to me (and I have decent Wimax coverage, but my city isn't even listed in the LTE plans yet).

I hope you keep developing for this phone because your ROM is the best and I will be stuck with this phone for another year, but I still think you should wait the 7 days and make a good comparison before you decide.
[HTC EVO 3D] kidjolly:
This rom is SICK WID IT!!!

I love the new interface of the gapps. It runs fairly smooth. I think the GB Mean roms were obviously more complete, however this actually makes me love sense again.

I hate sense, but its the most stable and complete thing on 3vo. THIS MAKES SENSE SO HAWT.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Did you reinstall your modified camera .apk without the sounds? Maybe that broke it.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] Matt V:
Can someone explain what this Adreno Driver Patch is?
[HTC EVO 3D] jhuff83:
Just did a superwipe w/no data restore and did not reinstall the modified apk and auto flash still is broke.
[HTC EVO 3D] P.Mobile:
so cant wait till we gots a 100% working overclock kernel!!!! that the only thing stoping me from flashing ics.. cant overclock yet.. i kno i can just run a stock kernel but i hate using stock kernels.. i been running my 3d at 1.5 since the day i got it.. i kno chads kernel can over clock but u cant charge.. so that not gona happen.. i need to charge me phone!!!!! :D
[HTC EVO 3D] robdeezle:
What I did razp was wipdata/ factory restore.

Then dalvik+cache

Superwipe

Flash Rom

And boom everything works

Make sure if your 1.50 s-on you are using 4ext recovery with smart flash on

Sent from my 3evo on MetroPCS
[HTC EVO 3D] Matt V:
BTW Mikey can you please find a way to turn off Prediction on the stock keyboard?

I've been trying to figure this out for awhile and no one seems to have an answer.
[HTC EVO 3D] jhuff83:
Ram, does your autoflash work?
[HTC EVO 3D] catbert77:
I have two minor quirks to report. I do not know if these are MeanROM-specific, or general faults of source code, or just something wonky on my device. Yes, I'm dirty flashed. If someone not so filthy could confirm these I'd appreciate it:

1) Device encryption. After enabling device encryption, device reboots and the encrypting screen comes up. Progress never proceeds past 0%. I powered down after about three hours and it came back up, and it appears to be encrypted (if I'm understanding the filesystem properly.)

2) 2D camera gone wonky. I Play a 3D movie with the 'Play Movies' app. Engage 3D mode in the movie, then quit the movie. If I open up the camera after that, 3D mode works properly. 2D mode takes pictures properly, but the display is messed up--it's trying to do 3D mode, but is not aligned properly. Funky looking. Shell restart doesn't help--must do a full reboot to cure it.
[HTC EVO 3D] cas8180:
Hey mikey any progress on migrating the amaze camera app over ?
[HTC EVO 3D] mozman:
Sadly we just lost Chad for good on XDA. Hopefully he will be on infected forums supporting our EVO 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] ACoolGuy:
^This. I see the option but its greyed out and i cant find a way to change it. Its just annoying in landscape as it covers the text boxes sometimes.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Yes, it does. Comes on as soon as I press the hardware button to focus.

Clean install of MeanROM ICS v0.4. Only mods are Leedroid Tweaks and Swype keyboard.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] EindhovenOne:
I know that was meant for someone else, but just wanted to say that I installed the camera with no shutter sound and my auto flash works without issue.
[HTC EVO 3D] evohnoo:
?

Menu>Settings>Language&Keyboard>Touch Input (click the settings on the right)>Trace Keyboard (Uncheck)>BACK>Prediction (uncheck)

Bottom line is, you cant disable predition with Trace Keyboard enabled... disable it, and then turn off prediction
[HTC EVO 3D] kidjolly:
Care to elaborate on how we "lost" him?
[HTC EVO 3D] jhuff83:
Ok, mine is good now. I was just barely pushing the shutter button down and then clicking it and that's why it would not fire the led.
[HTC EVO 3D] ACoolGuy:
NICE! Thanks alot. OP material as its not clear on how to do this.
[HTC EVO 3D] Matt V:
Freaking perfect! Thanks man!
[HTC EVO 3D] evohnoo:
Welcome gents!
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyxda:
Yeah, that's why I said I appreciate the feedback. I'm sure you're right about the seven days but… I guess I have some fear about the Samsung. With the HTC, I know when I get it home I will have a signal in my house. And I'll also be able to pick up a lot of the stuff I've already done on this ROM, and use it on the HTC. With the Samsung, no matter how long I wait, I may still get it home and not be able to use the phone, And that's something you cant find out until after you've bought it. I've had enough HTC phones that I'm confident it will work. With Samsung, I'm not so sure.

We shall see. I may wait anyway because it looks like Sprint didn't come through with that change of contract date like they were supposed to do. For now, I'll probably just stay on track.

Mike
[HTC EVO 3D] long_tall_texan:
Another vote for Best Buy. They still have 30 return/exchange on anything except for iphone. At least that was true a couple months ago here in Texas.

Sent from my Meanie ICS Evo3D
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Not sure since I can't seem to find a changelog for v11-v13 in that thread.

There may be some problems though. :(

I was testing with the speaker before, but can only get sound from one channel of my headphones and I tried them on another ROM and they work fine. Also, the sound is louder and cleaner overall, but I can't hear much difference when I switch beats on and off.

I'll keep testing, but you might want to wait until banccalif provides some feedback before trying this version.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
I doubt there will be radio issues on the Galaxy S 3. They're expecting it to be the biggest selling phone of the year. If you did buy it found out the hard way that the radio sucked, I'm sure you could take it right back and tell them why.

Or you could compare the signal to the Evo LTE and your Evo 3D right there in the store. Call some people and ask them how your voice sounds, that kind of stuff too.
[HTC EVO 3D] tweston1:
I'm wondering if my problem is unique or not. Using 4EXT recovery, I'm booted into my pre-existing teamwin recovery.

Instead of performing the wipe and flash itself, 4EXT takes me to teamwin recovery and stops. Trying to flash from teamwin's recovery gets me stuck at HTC boot screen.

I've tried using an ICS kernel to see if that would help, but no luck. How can I dispose of the teamwin recovery? Could that be my issue?

I am rooted with superuser and S-ON.

Thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Lol same here, so close! Going back to the modified v11.1
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Thanks for testing.

BTW, the IdleScreen.apk is the Sense lock screen, so I think the only files you need in /system/app of the .zip file are BeatsTweak.apk, HtcBeatsNotify.apk, and HtcListen.apk.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
Anyone see or try the SG3 launcher? It's light on ram and pretty damn responsive.. I'm gonna run with it for a while http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1709333

Edit: BTW I just downloaded, installed like a regular apk and moved on with my life. No need to push to system or anything else. Widgets do work for me as well, Idk what ppl are talking about in that thread
[HTC EVO 3D] ncfastls1:
According to the radio specs, I believe the antenna on the Galaxy S III is slightly more powerful. So you'd get a slightly better signal with the GSIII than the Evo LTE. I can find the post over on S4GRU if you want me to.

Edit: Went ahead and did it anyway lol.

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...-galaxy-s3-passes-fcc-muster-launch-imminent/

Specifically, the end of the post:
[HTC EVO 3D] banccalif:
I can't say for sure but somehow ive gotten the voice mail notification to work. Only thing different ive done is flash the sensation v13 bassini mod and then my evo 3d modified v10 bassini mod over that... Seems to have pushed it thru for me
[HTC EVO 3D] bpc4209:
420 lol...