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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Pkt_Lnt:
hehe.

Here is more on the situation.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...ng-down-all-3rd-party-voice-apps-in-may-2014/

I have been searching to see what happens for those of us who use GV for incoming calls and forward to a DID number to access my voip provider, or direct to my cell phone. Since I ported my long term cellular number to GV so that if I change cell service carriers it is transparent to those who call me, I wonder if this will change?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrman:
What I'm wondering about is if this will kill any call forwarding options in GV? I use it via Groove Forwarder to forward to my T-Mobile prepaid, voip.ms, Skype etc... Hopefully, this functionality will be maintained, but I'm debating about porting my number out of GV. I would just port it over to voip.ms, but I don't see any way to set up automatic forwarding by location in voip.ms like I have with GV and Groove Forwarder. I'll be getting my N5 today and I think I'll just cut down my current T-Mobile sim to micro size and see if any answers matierialize over the next few weeks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
The call-forwarding function was one of the big things that brought customers to the Google Voice service in the first place, and since it isn't a hack or workaround (like the XMPP VoIP) I honestly can't see Google killing off that function. Without it, Voice would just be a redundant secondary phone number.

Similarly, I think that folks using a third-party SIP/DID service should be fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrman:
Also my opinion, but with Google ya never know. Fingers crossed!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mgamerz:
I bet the carriers will get in the way. Just like with facetime, video calls, and other bull****.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ci-Fi:
And we will be here creating and discussing ways to circumvent their restrictions.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Based on this and other moves (like the SE-less Wallet), I'm kind of getting the impression that Google is sick of having to "negotiate" with the carriers and are implementing things in ways that the carriers can't fsck with. Could be wrong, but I'm guessing the carriers won't be able to do much about Hangouts calling.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Of course, the Obi's won't be completely dead, as you can still use it with other VoIP providers:

from http://www.obihai.com/faq/Other-VoIP-sec/Can-I-use-other-VoIP-SP

And if you have a DID (phone number) with the new provider, you can still set up Google Voice call forwarding to work just as it used to with Google Talk as a backend.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ivoniko:
I didn't quite understand, is this new Hangouts set up going to use our minutes as Voice does now or is it going to be free and not use T-Mobile's 100 minutes?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Choreboy:
It will use data, not minutes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ivoniko:
So that's great then isn't it, we won't need any 3rd party apps, what's the problem, do you think they are going to make it paid?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hayhayday:
I signed up for this a few weeks ago and the tmobile rep told me after 5gb its 128k but i get like 10-20kbit now that im throttled is this normal or did i have something wrong?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] schwartz.matthew.e:
Why wouldn't we want things consolidated using VoIP with hangouts? To me, it sounds better. Much easier for me since I'm on vz. Please correct me if I'm wrong, though, since I'm not super knowledgeable here whereas I'm assuming you guys are.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] whitedragonz83:
The current Android Hangouts (current 4.3 or 4.4 version) both still use minutes, not data. Likely a future update will change this to a VOIP option. I do not have information about the Apple Hangout app that appeared to include the VOIP option.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Choreboy:
My brother uses it on his wifi-only-for-the-moment android phone. No minutes. I'll have to fire up my wifi phone and play with it to confirm.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] schwartz.matthew.e:
He's using what app? Hangouts for Android?...if you have a hangouts apk with voice integrated for android you need to share! Lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] muyoso:
Depends entirely on how they implement it. Of course a more integrated solution would be better, but if I cannot tell hangouts to take over all calls when connected to WiFi then its essentially useless for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bubbalv29:
Excellent guide, will soon be implementing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
As an added bonus, it looks like you can now receive MMS messages from T-Mobile users on your GV number. Can't send 'em just yet though.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlexWiesen/posts/5ZPhfqXgtYD
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gbpack2306:
Has anyone had any luck getting talkatone to connect to their car's bluetooth? I have tried selecting bluetooth as the audio source during a call to no avail. My blouetooth works fine making calls through the stock dialer, just not with talkatone. I've searched around but haven't been able to find a solution, any ideas?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
You can use the native dialer to make voip calls. There's an internet calling feature in the settings. Its designed for SIP, so to use GV you need a server to host your account. I used this company: https://simonics.com/gvgw/index.php
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] urinsane:
Wow, didn't know about Simonics! Might set up an alternate Google account to test it out as I'm not too keen on giving access to my main account. Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Pkt_Lnt:
Search the thread for more on Simonics, and do a Google search as well. Many of us have stayed away from it for good reasons.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
I guess I'm lucky, I've not had the technical problems others have had using Simonics. At the time, I had a data only plan on my smartphone and was looking for a way to use the native dialer with GV. I believe this is the only way to do that. Unfortunately, it seems like this option will go away along with 3rd party apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] James62370:
May I ask which phone you are using that has a native dialer for VOIP?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
I have an N5100 running 4.2.1 but this is not unique to the device. It's my understanding that all versions of android since Gingerbread have had internet calling capabilities.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] James62370:
I have a note 2, could you point me in the right direction to get native dialer with VOIP? Thanks in advance.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
Launch dialer. call settings -> internet call settings -> accounts -> +add

Then enter info given to you by simonics website.

You can configure it to use VoIP for every call, when WiFi is available, or ask you each time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] James62370:
Thanks for the reply. However the note2 doesn't have "internet call" as an option.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Choreboy:
Confirmed on T-Mobile Note 2 running 4.1.2, no Internet Calling option.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mgamerz:
Its likely stock android only.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
Seems like the internet calling feature may be another one of the software items that carriers remove. I'm guessing that's the case since my Note 8 is the international version (that makes phone calls) and Samsung left it alone in Touchwiz. I'm venturing a guess that your Note 2 doesn't have a tethering option in settings either.

Geez, I may never buy a carrier branded device again...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] James62370:
It actually does have a tethering option. I'm using media 5 fone for voip, but it would be nice to see if it supported native dialer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BustVZW:
Interesting...I just tried to follow this thread advice (starting with post #1) to get some more voice usage out of this T Mobile $30 plan I'm test driving (used my 100 minutes in the first 10 days).

When I called to have T Mobile disable carrier voice mail, the rep claimed that he can't do it and I would have to dial 123 to manage voice mail. So I tried that, but it gives me a recording that I can't dial this number without adding money back to my account. Ugh.

This T mobile test drive is turning into a headache. Not. Worth. The. "Savings".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] parrothd:
Lol.. So it's the plan fault you used all your minutes? When i called they did it for me.. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BustVZW:
Lol.. I didn't say anything about "blame". But as the consumer with expendable income, I get to decide what inconveniences are worth my time. I was able to call back and a different rep disabled my voicemail for me. I am now using the rest of the 5GB I have to use my phone like a normal person (although, Talkatone leaves a great deal to be desired).

Now if this were a native feature in Hangouts like it is on iOS.... this would be the perfect solution for me.

Maybe I'll revisit the N5 and T Mobile next year when Google blesses Android users with the same features they give iOS.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
If folks are calling your GV number, you do not need to disable T-Mobile voicemail. Just activate GV voicemail for that phone on the GV setting page. Unanswered calls will then go to Google instead of T-Mobile voicemail.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
That's all fine and dandy, but "This feature does not work with T-Mobile prepaid phone plans."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Choreboy:
What feature? Google voicemail? It absolutely does work.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
Says you.

Says Google:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plee3:
This notice from Google is true if you are trying to use conditional forwarding (someone calls your T-Mobile number, you don't answer, it gets transferred to Google Voice) from your T-Mobile phone to Google Voice. T-Mobile prepaid does not support conditional forwarding, so this case does not work for Google voicemail.

However, if someone calls your Google Voice number directly and you setup GV to forward to your T-Mobile number, as long as you disable voice mail on T-Mobile, not answering your T-Mobile phone will transfer the call back to Google Voice for voicemail. Voicemail on Google Voice does indeed work as long as you understand the limitations of using T-Mobile prepaid plans.

Hope this helps... plee3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
So it works exactly like I thought.

Now, if I could only get people to stop calling the number they see in their SMS app.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plee3:
If you don't need to use MMS, then use Google Voice to send SMS message. In this case, your Google Voice number shows up as the sender.

The other downside to this is that the Google Voice app sucks in not threading all the conversations as correctly like a normal SMS app.

The positive is that you can send SMS messages from your computer and any other Android devices through Google Voice.

Thanks... plee3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
Well, since I want to send and receive MMS also, a real SMS client is needed.

I was hoping that Hangouts would help in that, but I haven't figured it out yet. C'est la vie.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
I have used GV on the $30 plan. I did not disable T-Mobile voicemail or use conditional call forwarding. If you're "all in" with GV, it's not necessary. Unanswered calls to your GV number will go to Google voicemail, not the carrier's voicemail system.

In my current setup, incoming calls are routed to my main cell phone and a backup flip phone. Since this phone is usually off, if I didn't have Google voicemail activated on it, unanswered calls would end up in Lycamobile's voicemail system. They'd never hit my main phone or Google voicemail. The only way a call would reach either of my carrier's voicemail is if someone called my cell numbers directly. And that never happens because folks only have my GV number.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plee3:
I am all in with GV as I seldom give out my T-Mobile number (sometimes GV does not receive SMS from certain registration sites and so I need to use my phone's number).

However, not answering my phone does not always send the caller to GV voicemail and occasionally they get sent to the T-Mobile voicemail.

Although I could use the T-Mobile Visual Voicemail app to retrieve the voicemail without using any cell minutes, it is annoying since I would like to use Google's VM to save all my messages. I may try calling the T-Mobile's customer support to disable VM at some point.

Thanks... plee3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] knicknut:
I'm at my wit's end with VoIP, would appreciate any hypothesis:

I have set up SipDroid and Simonics for both my phone/account and my girlfriend's. We are both logged in successfully. Hers works fine, incoming and outgoing. I can make outgoing calls, but can't receive incoming calls. We have identical settings in SipDroid, in Simonics, and on Google Voice/Chat settings. Both are set to forward to Google Chat and will ring in Gmail within the Hangouts extension. The only thing different in setting up our accounts is that I created a PBXes account for myself first, which I couldn't get to work properly, so I deleted all trunks/setups and recently deleted the account altogether. The Status section of my PBXes account (before I deleted it) listed no call activity since last Monday when I first changed to Simonics, so I can't think that's interfering. Nonetheless, I can't get incoming calls on my phone via VoIP. Any ideas on what could be wrong?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HemRoyd:
Maybe delete your phone from Google Voice and then add it over again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrman:
It might be worth giving csipsimple a shot instead of sipdroid. Although I don't use simonics, I've had the best results with it over other sip clients. Here's a thread for a different device that details the configuration of csipsimple and simonics.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] parrothd:
Change your password, probably logged in somewhere .. :) gmail, PBX, etc,etc
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] knicknut:
Change which password?

Tried this multiple times, unfortunately. Thanks though.

I would try this, but it appears I've made the grave error of losing both the application-specific password I used for Simonics and the "Secret" code Simonics gave me. Google made it sound like you don't need to keep app-specific passwords, but I guess for Simonics you do, and I can't figure out how to unhide the Simonics password I entered into Sipdroid. :eek:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Momotani-Hitoshi:
Anyone had issues with Talkatone draining battery?

Using talkatone on Nexus 5 4.4.2 and most of the time it is fine, but every once in a while it starts draining battery for some reason. Looking at the battery info talkatone is using 60% of my battery; consuming 3-5hrs CPU time even when I haven't made or recieved a single call.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Russell Sprouts:
No battery drain issues with Talkatone on my Moto X. The app doesn't even make the list on battery usage.

I do have an issue where I get no audio when I place or receive a call after having not used the app for a long time. It does appear to be connecting the call normally. I just can't hear anything. WiFi and LTE/HSPA+ doesn't seem to matter. So I hang up and try again and it works. Kinda annoying that I'm under .500 on successful calls.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Momotani-Hitoshi:
I sorta figured out why talkatone was eating my battery. For some reason on WIFI at my work it gives talkatone a hard time. Constantly it is trying to reconnect eating hours of battery life.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] knicknut:
Hey guys, thanks for the tips. Was able to retrieve my Simonics info, and did two things: deleted and re-added my phone to GV again but made sure that Google Chat was 1st in the hierarchy (not sure if that made a difference), then used CSipSimple. Seemed to work, and I can receive incoming calls now! Not sure which it was, but thanks for the tips!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BustVZW:
So, what's the current best way to use a Nexus 5 on this plan after your minutes are gone? I ask of course, because 100 minutes is ridiculously low and insulting, and I'm currently out. :)

Obviously I have a ton of data to use and am almost always in a really good wifi situation.

I've tried Talkatone and wasn't happy. It's been a while so I don't remember specifics, but I remember not liking it. So, that's not an option for me. Worst case scenario I feed the Tmo troll $10 to let me have 40 or so more minutes.

Why oh why can't they have a $40/month (500 min, unl text, 2 GB LTE) plan?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Momotani-Hitoshi:
straighttalk.com has $45/month unlimited talk/text/web (2.5GB LTE) You have choice to use either tmobile or att network.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
GrooveIP is probably the easiest to use, and has reasonably good quality. The catch is that any of the VoIP options that use the Google Talk XMPP interface will cease to function in May, as Google is ending support for that protocol. In theory, VoIP calling will be integrated with the Hangouts app at some point in the hopefully-near future.

Or there's that. If you're more interested in minutes than gobs of data, Straight Talk makes a lot more sense than the $30 plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BustVZW:
Yeah, I've thought of that. I was actually in a Walmart once (ew) and had the starter SIM kit in my hand but ended up putting it back. I couldn't stomach the $60+ they wanted for the starter kit.

---------- Post added at 09:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 AM ----------

That's the magic day right, what I'm waiting for. :)

I suppose I don't mind trying out GrooveIP in the meantime.

Yeah, and for only 50% more!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
You do know that included the first month of service, don't you?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BustVZW:
I do, but that's two months of the Tmo $30 plan just to get started and one month of ST.

I figured I'm better off with the $30/month Tmo plan and paying for extra minutes if it comes to it. I'm going to try voip first though. GrooveIP it is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Hemidroids:
Insulting? Ridiculously low? Really? You paid for 100 min and they gave you 100 min.

Whats insulting is kids yapping on the phone all the time.

100 min is plenty for an adult.

But to answer your question. Put $10 on reserve.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
Well, for someone who's looking to pay $40 for 500 min and 2GB of data, $5 more gets you more minutes and more data.

Knock yourself out, however you do it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Momotani-Hitoshi:
You don't have to get the starter kit, just go to straightalk.com and get just the sim card for 6.99

If you are consistently needing more than 100minutes and paying tmobile extra $10 for minutes might as well get straight talk.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] n2d551:
Anything over 100 minutes is billed as 10 cents a minute. So if you throw $10 extra, you get 100 extra minutes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afblangley:
GV is great, but VoIP does not begin and end with GV. Your cheapest option is going to be a VoIP solution. How about an sip and client/softphone? Here's a setup I've used: GV number call forwarded to Callcentric number, calls answered and initiated using csipsimple. My DID number has no recurring charges, with free incoming calls. Outgoing calls are 2 cents/min. Unless Google eliminates call forwarding, this setup will survive the death of third party GV apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] baiju2012:
[MENTION=2046103]BustVZW[/MENTION], Vonage can be used for outgoing calls. It also shows your T-Mobile number as the caller. T-Mobile number can be used to receive the calls. With the T-Mobile voicemail App, it very easy to take a message and then call back with Vonage. This way your 100 minutes can be used very efficiently with little effort.

I settled on Spare Phone App with GV, to receive calls forwarded from my office phone. With this setup, some minutes are always left over in the 100 minutes limit.

There is one more option for you as you are ready to spend $40. Check out Airvoice Wireless website. They are an MVNO based on AT&T network. Their $40 plan has unlimited talk, text and 1 GB of data. Not 2 GB, that is the compromise. A friend of mine is using it and is happy with the service.

Hope this helps.

Nexus IV
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] seanch87:
Can I grab an iPhone 5S at apple and use the nano sim starter pack with the T-Mobile plan?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dipole:
Agreed, this is similar to my current setup and it works really well and is free
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Are you using Voice+ or another app? The last time I did this (probably two years ago, shortly after I got my N1) I was using a different app that seems to have disappeared.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HoOnZ:
hey guys! I'm planning on dumping VZW and going this route but I have a simple question about using a Blackberry. My side using GNex wouldn't be a problem but my wife uses a Blackberry so would the unlimited data still work for her? Not sure how this will come into play since the Blackberry uses a BIS data service and not 4G.

Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
It looks like BIS costs an additional $10/mo on T-Mobile Prepaid: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-additional-services#blackberry
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dipole:
Gvoice callback (from amazon mkt). It has tasker functionality so I can automate when it's used.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Is that also this one? That looks about like what I remember using. Voice+ has a nicer interface (and uses the built-in Google authentication rather than having to be given full access to my account), but the Tasker automation is killer. Only want it to work on Wifi, of course ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dipole:
Yeah, that looks like it. He has a donate version in the amazon store to get tasker functionality though but it works flawlessly with tasker and ipkall/csipsimple

http://www.amazon.com/Xinlu-Google-Voice-Callback-Donate/dp/B004V9BX1Q/ref=sr_1_3?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1339611595&sr=1-3
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Thanks for the link... I just really don't want to have to install the Amazon app store. A real bummer they pulled it from the Android Market :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdp:
Yeah...doesn't seem smart. I tried the Amazon Appstore when it first came out, but now I do not really support Amazon's closed walled garden Android fork, and thus their store.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dipole:
agreed, amazon market sucks balls.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] harveydent:
Wow, really? How much does she charge by the hour?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mailboy1412:
hi, this is a great guide. I just bought GNexus and plan to use $30 prepaid Tmobile as well.

For the 100 minutes Mobile, I wonder if I get my minute deducted from unanswered calls (incoming call that I let it ring but I don't pick up) ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
No, you are only charged for minutes your phone spends "off-hook".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krazykeyur:
I was browsing some other forum when I read about Vonage Mobile.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vonage.TimeToCall

I downloaded the app and made a call to my wife on 2G. It was absolutely crystal clear. It was as if I was making a true cell phone call. Must be something in the codec that they're using.

Currently vonage is free for calls made to US and Canada.. but they will charge for it after trial period.

If the rates are low enough, I'm sold.

Now the only remaining issue is the incoming calls :P. Vonage Mobile only handles outgoing calls as far as I know.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdp:
That's nice. If it gave you a number that others could call, and if GV could be forwarded to that, that would be amazing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bobsbbq:
I just tried Vonage mobile as well and I was amazed at the call quality on edge and 3G. Of course only a limited trial of a few calls but it seems good.

I wonder how long the limited free calls period is and what the rate would be to continue the service.

The international rates are pretty good as well 2.4 cents to Asia is pretty good (50 cents for a 20 min call is a deal)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dtrider:
Maybe I missed it in the thread but why not just use the native voip app with gtalk and a pbxes account?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Whyzor:
Native VoIP supports only the very basic features (e.g. no echo cancellation), plus you have to get a SIP account setup, which is complicated. Groove IP integrates easily with Google Voice, and has a lot of features.