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[Galaxy S III General] tolis626:
Well,I have 30/30 vision,and I had a hard time making out individual pixels on the Note.Unfortunately I haven't seen a Galaxy Nexus in person,so I can't have an opinion on that.My only guess on that would be that Amoleds tend to have whatever issues they may have at low brightness.So the lower average brightness of the Nexus could contribute to that.The GSII has some noise-like stuff going on in gray areas when in low brightness.Still,even for the SII's 800x480,you must be really anal to try to discern individual pixels at hand length(circa 50-70cm--is it? :p ) and enough brightness.I'd bet the S3's screen is only better than that,so I don't think people are actually going to be disappointed by it.Some may find the One X's screen better,but the S3's won't be bad in itself. :)
[Galaxy S III General] barondebxl:
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I don't care wether you get the S3 or not to tell you the truth. No one is saying that youre lying, I'm just wondering how can you see those pixels cause I can't and I have a pretty good vision and I'm really trying to look very hard.

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Wich phones did you have that had pentile? If you're talking about the first galaxy s series then yes, it is highly noticeable. If you're talking about the note or galaxy nexus, I personally can't see anything. Maybe you can I guess....or your mind is playing tricks on you :cool:?...or your eyes I should say

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I have a nexus and I always keep the brightness at the minimum ( actually all my phones) cause it bothers my eyes when it's too bright. Again personally I can't see anything but I guess if you know what you looking for then you'll find it.
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
Well, what I see apart from the edges of letters is white surfaces that look like there are a million small black dots in them.

Like this:

Only on a much smaller scale. I don't need to concentrate or strain my eyes to see it.
[Galaxy S III General] americasteam:
The Note was the latest. I wish I couldn't see it but I can. :(
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
Any of you that include "I" in your arguments either for against PenTile really need to chill. "I think...," "To me...," "My experience...," etc, are all terrific but are meaningless to people that aren't you that will be spending a ton of money on the phone. I truly think Samsung could introduce a new display material made from compressed manure and there would be people defending it sight unseen. Maybe this year HTC will start doing commercials parodying "S-Sheep" like Samsung's done with "iSheep." Most likely PenTile will bother some people after the phone's released and no one here has used the phone yet to even have an opinion founded on fact. Everyone’s quoting reviews but those same reviewers also gave the GN display high marks early on and real world experiences clearly show it wasn’t Samsung’s best effort. The early SGS2 reviews also heralded its display as the best in the world. There's a single 244 page thread of discussion on the SGS2 forum that would indicate not everyone agrees. The higher the pedestal the SGS3's placed on the bigger the fall if it isn't perfect. It's a phone for mortals designed and assembled by mortals.

The Xperia S and One X both have display issues in production. Do you think it’s a coincidence that none of the review units had any of those issues? I’m sure if there are 100 SGS3 demo units floating around that they were all carefully screened before being released to the press. Before being convinced the SGS3’s display is the greatest in the world I’d suggest you withhold judgment until you have your very own SGS3 display in your hand and can use it doing the same things you’re doing with your current phone. You can claim world supremacy on behalf of Samsung after that.
[Galaxy S III General] barondebxl:
I guess we all have different vision, also some are more sensitive to certain colors than others so let's see what happens. But I know I won't be disappointed after owning the note and the nexus.
[Galaxy S III General] nöt:
Someone wanna tell me if its the same thing as with tvs.

I would never own a lcd tv cause they cant show black and and the colours are incorrect, same thing with cellphones?

Is samoled more similar to a plasma tv with real black and natural colours?

Or is it even worse?
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
You will get your blacks, but whites may be a little off. If you like vivid colors and great contrast, you want AMOLED. But IMO they are not quite up to Pioneer plasma panel standards yet. Honestly I don't think it will bother you though.
[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
This is clear bullsh!t. The fact that it says "Sent from my HTC One X" might explain it. I'm using the note and I have 20/20 vision even with my eyes stuck to the screen it looks fine.

The pixels are so densely packed that you would need a microscope to notice anything!
[Galaxy S III General] americasteam:
Are you kidding me buddy? Really? Because I'm currently rocking a One X I am full of BS? Does that mean I'm an HTC fanboy? I'm glad you like your Note. It's a great device and was hard to leave. Just so you know, I've been thinking about switching back to the Note, or holding out for the GS3. I'm still undecided. I don't care what company makes the devices I use, just as long as they meet my needs. LCD has it's advantages and disadvantages just as well as AMOLED has. Yes, I said AMOLED has it's disadvantages. Oh goodness, did your world just end?

The pixels are so densely packed that you would need a microscope to notice anything! Really, I can even see the pixels on the One X at night from normal distances and it's ppi is much greater! :eek: I must be Superman!

Does my signature below make you feel better bro? I got an idea, why don't you crawl back in your hole and shut up.
[Galaxy S III General] ph00ny:
I'm going to say this one more time since lot of you have obviously missed it

If the checker pattern in these 720p pentile display is an issue then the vertical lines in 720p rgb display would be an issue as well
[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
Dude... You even claim to see pixels on the One X at normal viewing distances? Is that even scientifically possible? Your either the Terminator or you Sir do not know what you are looking at.

Kind regards

P.S My apologies for jumping to conclusions, there's a lot of trolls on these forums lately, too easy to get caught up.
[Galaxy S III General] Basil3:
Well I had a 5 min play with a note in a Vodafone store before I got my one x and I could clearly see pixels. Some of the icons in the app drawer were particularly obvious.

To me it's simple. If you look for imperfections, you will see them. Once you see them, you can't un-see them, so it's best not to look too hard in the first place.

For the record, i'm blind as a bat and wear contacts :D
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
Never mind. I read it incorrectly. However, there is a noticable difference between 300 and 600 dpi print to the naked eye.
[Galaxy S III General] americasteam:
So, I'm stupid and a liar? Correct? Is this a big thing to brag about? Why don't we end this ignorance right here. I'm really glad you can't see the checker pattern or the verticle lines on any of these new HD displays. Unfortunately, I can, and I'm not the only one. Just because you can't do or see something, doesn't mean that nobody else can. Hard to believe I know. :rolleyes: Sorry to take this thread off topic.
[Galaxy S III General] nöt:
Could you tell me what to look at (to see pixels), because im gonna go to a store tomorrow and look at the nexus,note and onex so i can decide on wich one.

I dont wanna pick the S3 and a couple a days later i can see the pixels.

Cause eyes cant forget like ears can.

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OK thanks.

I think I read that Samsung stopped developing the LCD technic cause its not possible to get it any better to compete with the plasma? And now they are spending all the time and money to develop the amoled instead.
[Galaxy S III General] tolis626:
I think we should go back to 800x480.Who's with me?!? :D :p

C'mon guys,this is getting ridiculous.My little cousing is 12 years old and he's acting more maturely than most of you...heck,us!He has my old PSP and is as happy as it gets with the screen.He is constantly making fun saying the PSP's screen is better than the S2.What should I do?Kill him and sell his skin to a company that makes leather purses? :p
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
You are right about that. I have always (even back in 2000 there were silcon based color display prototypes) thought of LCD TV's as a transition technology between phosphorous display types to AMOLED or other technologies like that because an entirely backlit surface doesn't sound like its ever going to be ideal. Maybe if you lit up every point individually with a white LED you would get great results but really, why not just put colored LEDs with the same wave lenghts as the eyes receptors (which are a bit off and not equally spaced in visible wave length span and also not equally sensitive). So I think Samsung has made the right choice. But to my experience, white has been blue greyish or greenish on amoleds because the LEDs are either not equally bright or individually decaying over time. Or perhaps even slightly off the color receptor wavelengths of the human eye.
[Galaxy S III General] nöt:
Interesting. So I will get the blue white and the red skin colour no matter if i choose LCD or Amoled. But I will get real blacks with a amoled.

So it seems that amoled is "the lesser of two evils".

IF I cant see the pixels from the pentile.

I think the screen is actually the most imortant part, otherwise I could have stuck with my old Arc cause it can do everything ive tried so far. Except the poor resolution thats bothering me and dev community.
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
If you have any chance of actually seeing it in real life, I think you should go and have a look before you buy it. It's such a subjective matter :-) Personally i like the vivid colors of the AMOLED panels. But watch out, they maybe over saturated, and you can change that in display settings.

I agree completely that the screen is the most important part of the phone.
[Galaxy S III General] kickassdave:
I absolutely agree with you. I have very good sight and at normal viewing distances I do not see any pixels on my SGS2 so anyone claiming to see them is NOT looking at the phone from a 'normal' viewing distance. You can see them if you look closely but cmonnnnn we don't need trolls talking bs just to make their points more relevant. I'm typing this up from normal viewing distance and cannot see any individual pixels whatsoever.

Just because a display appears to be sharper, it doesn't mean you can all of a sudden see pixels. Urghhh...
[Galaxy S III General] DANOFDANGER:
I have not been following the thread but if anyone is claiming they can see pixels on the one x clearly then they are by far FOS, i have done much research into pixel density and for the latter its clear that at about 300+ ppi from the average distance someone looks at their phone from that there is no visible pixelation and on top of that with the pixel artifacts like jaggies which are present on 3D geometry they are almost abandoned at this density which are usually clear indicators of too high pixelation. This is why in the future when ppi is above 300 ppi filters like AA would not be needed anymore as the artifacts would be non present.
[Galaxy S III General] ale0crysis:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759.php

The Samsung Galaxy S III has a slight edge in processing, the Mali-400MP GPU nosing out the HTC One X ULP GeForce. It's also the one with the better screen: the 4.8" Super AMOLED has superior contrast, viewing angles, sunlight legibility and, thanks to the screen saturation modes, greater flexibility. It does use a PenTile matrix, but it hardly makes any difference at those ppi levels.
[Galaxy S III General] boodies:
In regards to outdoor viewing

By the way they got a new review, and gs3 pretty much beats down the one x in all dept
[Galaxy S III General] Reckless187:
Whats everyones thoughts on the screen on this phone?

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9500_fraser-4752.php
[Galaxy S III General] americasteam:
lol Dude, I'm not a troll and never have been. Urghhh... I do know the difference between pixels and sharpness though. ;) I'm sure the display on the S3 will be fantastic. I can't wait to view it myself. :)
[Galaxy S III General] barondebxl:
I kinda feel bad for you man and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything. This awesome phone and you won't be able to get it cause of pentile. Sorry but it's okay the one x is a good choice also. I'm gonna enjoy my S3 tho :D
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
Well, like I said, I haven't seen the display of the S3 yet so I'm still not sure that I will notice anything on it. However, I should be spending more money on my girlfriend rather than buying two high end smartphones a year in the first place ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Vraser:
Dude you would be the best sniper ever, with your supernatural eyesight... :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] coercitiv:
The human eye has a maximum resolution of 343 dpi at the point of most distinct vision, which is about 25 cm. Considering this and the fact that individual LEDs or LCD pixels on a display matrix have a certain space between them (black matrix, pixel border call it as you wish), it might be possible for some individuals to notice artifacts on a screen with 300dpi or less.

It is however, highly unlikely they will actually be capable of distinguishing pixel borders for what they are, but rather like some kind of noise, those "small black dots" Gnarfsan is talking about.

A person capable of distinguishing black matrix on a Pentile AMOLED display will most likely be capable of seeing it on a similar density LCD display as well. It might bother them less though, due to subpixel arrangement.

Take care and enjoy your phones.
[Galaxy S III General] DocRambone:
http://translate.google.com/transla...-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl.shtml

"I think that people who see PenTile, have very big problems when watching TV, because for them it must be a painful experience"
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
Not really. RGB displays don't look grainy to me. PenTile displays do.

Thanks for the great post coercitiv. I think you pretty much nailed it.
[Galaxy S III General] Vraser:
No offend but I think its crap what you are talking. A TV has a very low Pixel density, how is it possible that it doesnt affect you there? The Note isnt grainy at all, you rearly have to look very carefully to see the pentile effect, but who does this in daily use.:rolleyes: The only thing everyone will rearly notice are the beautifull collors and the fantastic blacks...
[Galaxy S III General] SirCanealot:
I sit at least 7 foot from my TV (52" 1080p).

When often I'll have my phone like 10 inches from my face.

Viewing distances, dude, viewing distances...
[Galaxy S III General] Gnarfsan:
Maybe because I sit 3 meters away wiseguy
[Galaxy S III General] oXunknownXo:
From what i can see here, the SGSIII seems better in terms of sharpness and contrast while both have the same level of colour quality:
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Nice pics comparison, looks like sgs3 screen has bluish tint, time for voodoo color :p
[Galaxy S III General] funb0b:
They all look pretty good to me :p
[Galaxy S III General] Korshar:
Does the One X has a yellowish tint or does the SGS3 has a blueish tint - which one is normal? Or are they both not natural?
[Galaxy S III General] ph00ny:
Might be a little bit of both

cooler temp on SGS3 and warmer temp on HOX
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
ONe more thought about the above added images, it should have been ordered as s2s3,one x and int the last note, putting the note in the middle makes the other screen look small. i would love to sse it in the order below and also take a note at the pointed pencil and its sharpness!! s3 has a much impressive screen!! damn.( btw s2's screen is completely out of equation in this image, either the camera is blurry on the edges or the quality of other screens is really much better.)
[Galaxy S III General] Mopral:
Is it just me or SGS3 and Note pentile displays are sharper than the OneX?

It must be me as many people over the net say that pentile display can not be sharp...
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
ya thats a good question! people cant say its due to the way the comparison picture is taken.

but both note and s3 are quite sharp when compared to hox in this image
[Galaxy S III General] Vraser:
All three screens look very impressive but actually I like the S3 screen the most, looks more natural to me and perfectly Sharp, no graining at all...:)
[Galaxy S III General] pikulu:
My god........the screen on s3 is still sharp even the note looks sharper than hox ! ! :O

Guys what do u think note or s3's display quality is better, i mean apart from the resolution like saturation,contrast?

According to the preview of gsmarena the brightness of note is about 100 cd/m2 brighter than s3 at 100% brightness.

does it mean that note's display is better than s3?
[Galaxy S III General] Vraser:
No Krönt think that the display of the Note is better because the S3 screen has been optimized, the gaps between the pixels are smaller than on a normal Pentile screen...
[Galaxy S III General] ph00ny:
It's hard to say without seeing the images irl but that could be due to the difference in contrast ratio. Seeing how even the Note's screen looks sharper where the pencil grains are.

This is the same reason why LED TVs show different textures/grains better than the conventional LCD TVs

Also from the image comparison, i'm actually liking the note's screen bit more than the S3 in some shots
[Galaxy S III General] Intratech:
Thing that I noticed the most in those pictures is how much the HOX cannot display black. The black colours look grey.
[Galaxy S III General] boodies:
bala_gamer, ill update first page with that image if you don't mind.

Check out the purple pencil. There is almost no texture on the HTC. I'd say this is semi serious lol Also check out the blacks.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
ya sure:)
[Galaxy S III General] pikulu:
@bala

which screen did look better to u,note or s3?Does the note really look better than s3?
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
note has better brightness @ 100%, hence it looks a bit brighter, apart from that both looks same in that image
[Galaxy S III General] Basil3:
The HOX actually displays darker blacks than any LCD I've ever used, it's pretty good. You only really notice the difference when viewing it side by side with an amoled screen. I just looked at my app drawer and thought that the background seemed dark grey, then I realised it's meant to be dark grey! That's the difference between the two screens, each will play to their strengths, an amoled will always go black instead of a dark grey.

On the flip side, you probably wouldn't notice the pixelation on an amoled screen unless you compare it side my side with a HOX, as I did with the Galaxy Note.
[Galaxy S III General] jonathanyong:
Finally some sensible image comparisons instead of microscopic super-human eyesight :P

These really show how much difference it makes to have a high contrast amoled. The details and shadowing on all of the amoled shots look much more detailed compared to the HOX. In fact, the HOX images look blurred and washed out. You can definitely see the lack of detail in the pencil grain especially.

Where are the people defending the superior sharpness and image quality of lcd2 now?
[Galaxy S III General] Intratech:
Indeed. When I looked at the HOX instore I didn't notice the black not being black on you would on a normal LCD screen. I loved the HOX screen when I saw it in person so now I'm impatiently awaiting the SGS III arrival in my hands.
[Galaxy S III General] boodies:
Yeah, don't forget to check out the blacks on Bala_Gamers Image. I like to watch movies in the dark and my IPS monitor, Ipad 3 both show blacks as grey. That really bothers me like no other. Not only is it grey, the pixels are lit up so it's bright when it's suppose to be pitch black.
[Galaxy S III General] DocRambone:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-Preview_id3029

"Display:

Samsung Galaxy S III Preview

Samsung has been an innovator when it comes to screen technology in phones. Its AMOLED-based screens have been customer favorites for a long time now, and obviously the company intends on sticking with that tech in the long term. In the Galaxy S III, what we have is an enormous 4.8” HD Super AMOLED display, with resolution of 720x1280 pixels. As with every AMOLED screen, this one has extremely saturated colors. In some situations, like when browsing the web, for example, this doesn't look great, as we aren't really used to such “colorful web” experience. It doesn't seem natural, so to speak. However, in many other situations, like viewing photos, watching video or playing games, having such vibrant colors really pays off. When you combine that with the great contrast (black color that is completely black, not just very dark gray, as in LCD displays), multimedia consumption does get much more enjoyable.

Many were actually disappointed when it was announced that the S III will use a PenTile matrix for its screen, instead of a regular RGB one as in its predecessor. Just recently, Samsung USA's Philip Berne shed some more light on why Samsung decided to stick with PenTile. Obviously the reason is in the longevity – according to Samsung, a PenTile-based AMOLED screen will keep its initial quality for a longer time, compared to an RGB AMOLED one, which will suffer from deteriorating blue subpixels over longer periods of time. Well, since we don't really find the traditional drawbacks of the PenTile screen to be that visible in the GS III, that seems like a good decision by Samsung. If you look very closely at the screen of the Galaxy S III, you will notice some pixelization going on here and there, but when you look at the screen from a normal distance, those nasty dots aren't really visible, due to the high resolution."
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
Nice pencil pic. Here's a detailed comparison of LCD2 and PenTile HD. The One X is using the same next-gen LCD technology as the LG panel in the video and they have similar contrast ratios. The comparison is against a GN so it's not 1:1 against the SGS3. But keep in mind that the GN has a PPI of 316 and the SGS3 has a PPI of 319 so while brightness may be different the ability to display detail isn't. The way the two displays handle the color and detail of the multitude of different shots in the video is a lot more telling than a single pic of some pencils. Unless of course most of your viewing is going to be close ups of office supplies.

[YOUTUBE]YF-Z3_f3WCE[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S III General] DocRambone:
GN is not sgs 3...
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
The conversation about the pencil pic centers on detail. It's physically impossible for the SGS3 to be more detailed than the GN when the difference in total pixel count is statistically irrelevant. What it really comes down to in a fair comparison is how well 210 PPI being manipulated to look like 319 PPI rates against a display that truly has 312PPI. And one pic of some pencils isn’t a fair comparison (to either display).
[Galaxy S III General] DocRambone:
Why not wait until a retail version of sgs 3 shows up?

Then we can have a correct review of the sgs 3 screen quality
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
Totally agree.
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
It's the same display with the Sgs3 having a higher brightness. Everything else is exactly the same pretty much. Hopefully they fixed screen burn in and banding problems, my galaxy nexus didn't have any problems but many did.
[Galaxy S III General] pewpewbangbang:
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[Galaxy S III General] Intratech:
No it's not. This is an updated version of the SAMOLED HD display.