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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beaups:
Guys. It appears my suspicions were correct, and we may be dealing with a real, physical, lack of RAM issue here. Read this thread (including my first post) carefully in the international one x forum. Holy cow I hope this isn't true....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1655771
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
This is probably due to Tegra 3 having some sort of dedicated GPU RAM whereas Krait needs to use some system memory for the GPU (just guessing). I doubt AT&T is demanding hardware be stripped or anything.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
wow... if this is the case whose fault would it be? at&t or htc? or just both...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beaups:
Didn't ATT demand we lost 16GB of flash? You think the Adreno is taking 300MB of RAM???
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Nunii:
Check the link there an article talking about it

http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-x-issue-breaks-android-multi-tasking-85598/
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
I think we're jumping the gun here fellas. I believe it isn't showing the ram allocated to the os, gpu, etc. If I remember correctly, AT&T Samsung phones don't show it either. I'm not sure why the International version is different though. Isn't there an app that shows total system memory.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beaups:
We might be jumping the gun, but it does explain a lot. And pretty strange the the international users don't see even vaguely similar #'s.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Bigjim1488:
My fun ride doesn't even have a stereo. Fck it, it looks good, sounds good and goes fast. That's all I need
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Both quadrant and system info app report 672 mb RAM. I don't see anything about ram dedicated to the gpu.

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Settings about hardware reports 1 GB.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Skantastico:
I began noticing this issue more and more as I have been spending the past day or two heavily testing a lot of different apps and customizing the phone to look the way I want (the first week it was so pretty the way it was I mostly just left it).

By far the most annoying things for me are:

1) Switching in and out of Web Browser (I've used the stock one, Chrome, and the new FF beta that came out today, they all have this problem) from other apps causes the web page in the browser to reload. If you have multiple tabs open it doesn't even bother loading the background ones just leaves them as blank pages. I don't know if the fact that it happens on every browser is a good sign or a bad one with regards to being able to fix it. If this was intentionally programmed this way I would say that that is pretty pathetic. Here's to hoping though.

2) Google Listen periodically cuts out after 5-10 minutes. If you're not familiar with it it is a google app for podcasts, and it basically takes RSS feeds and puts them in a pretty GUI, and plays downloaded audio files. Usually podcasts are an hour+ long, so listening to them is quite frustrating when it pauses itself every couple minutes. I've also used Google Play/Music extensively and have not come across this problem yet. Whether that is from your average song being too short to trigger it or GMusic not being affected at all I'm not sure.

3) I am having trouble recreating it but at least once or twice a day I will exit out of an app and be welcomed by the 20 seconds of "loading" on the home screen. I presume that's ICS as a whole restarting?

Something tells me that all 3 of these are being caused by the same "multitasking" issue. Hopefully we get a response from HTC soon.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Build Prop shows 1gb of ram. Does this mean anything, or can it be edited to say anything and the device still function?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ThisWasATriumph:
Over in the One S forum it looks like they only have about 700mb total ram as well. I guess it must be a snapdragon thing.

Edit: although I don't know why they would move backwards as my S3 powered touchpad has 854mb total...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECrispy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/multitasking-htc-one-x-isnt-broken-its-customized

So HTC went and screwed up multitasking because Sense is a memory hog. And there is no way to fix this short of rooting. If you use a different launcher things might appear better because it uses less Ram, but the fact is the OS on your phone has non-optimal settings.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrmjv:
Just an FYI...my gnex only shows 700mb total. So that's not the problem.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Thanks for that info.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] supercluver:
Jesus jerry that is a terrible iPhone-esq answer. Screw that I'll just be switching between this and my gnex until this is properly fixed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Exactly what I've been saying. Thanks for verifying.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dragunbayne:
I froze sense and the HTC browser and it seems to be helping quite a bit. I also froze a bunch of the usual bloat, but I wasn't seeing a major difference until I froze those two. I replaced them with tsf launcher and quick ICS browser.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Yeah, I think we understand this a bit more clearly now. This isn't HTC trying to improve battery life, this is HTC trying to hurriedly make up for the bloat that is Sense.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Was coming in here to post this very same thing! Freezing Sense frees up ~100mb and does help a great deal. I can open about 6 apps before my browser has to reload. Of course, your mileage may vary depending on how resource intensive each open app is.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kravguy:
Yep..sense launcher has always been a resource hog. I really don't get the appeal of it when there's several others that do so much more. I hadn't thought about getting rid of the stock browser. I'm trying out Firefox now. Not sure what, if anything, HTC's version provides.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dragunbayne:
I was using the productivity lock screen and now it comes up with nothing, not even the apps to launch. Did you experience this? It didn't happen until a reboot.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sImNvbS5kdXN0eXBpeGVscy5taW5mcmVlbWFuYWdlciJd

Requires root to change the settings within that app (it's just an app that reads the minfree values in the ramdisk and can change them with root.), tweaking some settings should allow you to multitask without issue.

I would hazard that for maximum multitasking capability the OOM killer should start doing it's work at around 80 MB left. You might be trading some lag in return though, if the memory drops that low. 100 MB is probably the right balance.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
I will never, ever, ever read androidcentral again. Unfollowing them on Twitter. Never clicking a link to them again. So NO multitasking is just "a different kind of multitasking" that we need to get used to? Really? Freaking idiots. If I go from one app to another, and it has to restart from scratch, that is NOT multitasking.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Can a few people with Sense tell how much RAM they have total to the "system"? If it really is no more than 700 MB, there's a serious issue in the kernel, I have an Inspire 4G with 768 MB RAM and I have 621 MB of RAM to work with in the system, I'd expect at least 800 MB of RAM available to the system with 1 GB...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
I do know ICS uses a ton more memory. When I had the Note and loaded the ICS leak the available memory went way down.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Let me reboot and find out.

Edit: Yeah, icons are gone. I guess because it uses the icons from the Sense dock. Because its frozen, there's nothing to load to the lock screen. :(

Edit #2: I just defrosted it, cleared Apex defaults, let Sense reload, and then froze it again. Icons are back without reboot. Kind of a pain if you reboot often, but I don't. If this can get multitasking acceptable until the bootloader is unlocked so devs can fix I will be ok. I think...............
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
So I just went to an AT&T store to try out another One X to see if it's any better than my phone...

My findings? It's still got the same issue, but multitasking DID work with less than 3 apps loaded... So clearly this phone can't handle my 3 widgets and whatever apps i have installed and then having a couple apps running at once... It's a memory issue. That's freaking sad. My MyTouch4gSlide (with Sense 3.whatever) can handle plenty more stuff going on and still resume my recent apps where they left off. Also I tried the Samsung Note sitting next to the One X and it had no problem jumping back & forth between apps, even a pretty memory-intensive looking game. I only went as far as 6 apps open but still. Way better than our phone.

I've got about 3 more days left in me and then I'm giving up on it...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kravguy:
Not sure what the prod lockscreen depends on. I am using the wallpaper one, deleted all the shortcuts from the sense launcher before uninstalling it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Sigh. In what world is 229 mb free after killing all apps acceptable?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
It's a shame is what it is. I have ~400mb after freezing Sense Desktop and a bunch of Sense widgets.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dragunbayne:
What stinks is I actually have been liking the functionality of sense. But if it is the root cause of this issue I will get rid of it. I've noticed my memory numbers don't seem much different with sense disabled, but it multi tasks better (not by a whole lot mind you, but it does.)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
When you say Sense...are you talking about Rosie.apk??
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Whoa. That is a serious issue. 671 MB of RAM total allocated to the system is pretty unacceptable. Either RAM is missing, or the kernel isn't able to access it. Either way, this is a pretty bad issue. HTC really should look into the missing RAM issue, because that's the root cause of multitasking not working.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
Freeze Desktop HTC Sense in Titanium Backup. Make sure you have another launcher installed and set as default before freezing!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Bigjim1488:
I keep reading and keep getting even more upset. I don't know why I do it to myself :mad:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
I was enjoying Sense too. It just eats too much memory.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dragunbayne:
Yeah, just checked again. I gain about 70MB of free memory disabling it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Anyone who's already installed the 1.82 RUU feel like posting a screenshot of the taskmanager to show how much memory the system gets?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
This is from system tuner pro. 160MB for the Kernel, is that in line with previous systems?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
Yeah, I don't know why they're trying to defend it.

I'm also more interested in the available system memory situation now. My EVO shows 413 MB available (out of 512 listed in specs). It doesn't seem like the One X should be reporting as low as 600 something.

Agree with others - I was liking the look of Sense 4, thought it was a nice improvement over stock ICS. It's a shame it results in these issues. Have to take this phone off my consideration list unless the bootloader gets unlocked.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ECEXCURSION:
I liked sense in my previous phones and I like it on this... Pfft.

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Kernel is showing 160MB on my system. Under excluded in system tuner pro.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Even once you add that, that leaves a whopping 193 megs of memory unaccounted for. My Inspire 4G has functionally the same amount of space taken up by the kernel, so right now it's looking like either HTC screwed up with the software and that's why about 190 megs are missing, or they screwed up the hardware and QC checks and they literally did not put the right amount of RAM into the phone, in which case it's time for a massive recall.

My Inspire reads about 159 megs for the kernel.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Anyone know who would be the best to look in to this? Someone we can ask for a little help?

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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ThisWasATriumph:
A task kill gives me more memory free on my cappy than the X. screw this its goin back on day 29. If the bootloaders were unlocked I could deal with it but HTC decided to put sense on a strict diet of lard and no way out.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Sadly I'm contemplating what to replace mine with.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
We need to spread the word. Show how the phone literally is not having the advertised amount of RAM.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] I_FLY_Z3R0:
Waiting for the galaxy s3

Sent from my iPhone killer.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Reports are coming in that the GS3 has similar issues.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] alias3800:
The more and more I consider this phone (especially because of all the good reviews it got), it sincerely irks me that so many review sites lauded this as being THE android phone. They had the phone to test for a WEEK, if not a couple of days. Most of the good review sites find little design quirks that even OCD people would scoff at. So how the hell did they miss multitasking, of all things. They definitely don't miss it when they review WP7 phones.

Even as someone who doesn't have the phone, I hope this gets fixed
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] I_FLY_Z3R0:
Doubt it because it's made by Samsung not HTC

Sent from my iPhone killer.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
That's a ridiculous thing to say, I know someone on Facepunch forums who's been complaining about browsers getting killed and having to reload tabs on his Galaxy Note for months. A 1 GB RAM device on Gingerbread, which is supposed to use less RAM.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mesasone:
The missing ram is allocated to the GPU. This has been the case on every Android phone...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
he wasnt guessing..Reviews have confirmed it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
No, nothing like this. My Inspire, once you count the memory taken by the kernel, adds up to around the amount of RAM it claims to have. I believe the HTC Vivid on ICS has around 883MB of RAM available to the OS/applications, and once you add just about 160 MB to that number to account for the kernel, you get about the right number.

This is definitely not right.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] beaups:
I think we are going to find out that we don't really have 1gb ram in our phones. Call me crazy....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hunt3r.j2:
Correction on the Vivid, it has a total of 829 MB allocated on Gingerbread.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kamui957:
I have not had any of these issues on my one x so I'm not sure if this is your legit complaint or hyperbole...

Back to subject; look under developer options. There is a setting at the bottom for backgrounder processes that may affect this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
There are no setting on the phone that fix this problem. The root of the problem is there's only 229 MB RAM AVAILABLE after a clean boot. Sense is a pig and the phone only has 672 MB RAM to work with according to everything except build.prop

After seeing a video on the GSM Nexus and USB OTG I'm pretty sure I'm jumping ship.

I really really wanted to love this phone, but now I'm saddened by it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
People need to chill out. It has 1GB RAM but a portion is mapped for the GPU. This is perfectly normal and happens on most phones and even PCs today.

Then on top of that you have Sense which is bloatware. If you put AOKP on here you'd have more free memory but the total would be the same and it wouldn't ever be 1GB.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
we need to chill out that a feature that has been a part of Android since early on no longer works?

No, we need to get angry, like HULK SMASH angry. The International version of the device doesn't do this.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
Its annoying and you have a right to be angry but it is NOT hardware. Its software. My Nexus works perfectly with multitasking but I don't doubt if you put Sense 4 on it it would have the same problem.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
And since att locked the bootloader we're still stuck.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Fokas.:
Actually, anyone saying the international tegra 3 version doesn't have this problem is talking out of their arse.

My tegra 3 one x does it all the time.. It's really pissing me off. Wish I could send it back
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] linuxtad:
I don't own the One X, nor do I plan on purchasing a new phone in the next year. However, the thought of this becoming the "norm" for all future android devices concerns me. And it should be a concern for all of you (those that seem to be ok with it) as well.

Sent from my SPH-D710
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Fokas.:
It's nothing to do with android, I flashed a ported version of CM9 to my one x and it fixed the multitasking issue. It's to do With htc and their desperate attempt to save battery life.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] greyhulk:
Don't doubt it. I have access to an S3 and have tested this thoroughly. It's slightly better than the One X, but has the same exact issue killing apps in the background, including the browser and any apps you multitask away from.

Sad, but true.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] supercluver:
My old Nexus S 4G shows ~223 MB used and ~123 MB free, for a total of ~346 MB.

My unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus shows ~376 MB used, and ~319 MB free, for a total of ~695 MB (I'm running Paul's excellent modaco Ir13 ROM and franco's Milestone 3 kernel).

My Galaxy Tab 10.1 shows ~523 MB used, and ~201 MB free, for a total of ~724 MB (I'm running AOKP 4.0.4 build-34).

My HTC One X shows ~440 MB used and ~232 MB free, for a total of ~672 MB (I've disabled most things sense including the sense launcher).

To me, that seems right in line more or less with my GNex and Tab, which both have 1 GB of RAM. The Nexus S only had 512 MB of course. There is some RAM dedicated to GPU. I don't think it is a hardware issue, i.e. actual missing RAM. Just software which can be fixed.

I can confirm disabling Sense launcher does seem to help. Still not as good at multitasking as my GNex but getting close to acceptable.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mobilehavoc:
I'm assuming you have to be root to disable Rosie. Can't do it through the Apps settings without root. Wish it was that simple.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] linuxtad:
If htc does this and Samsung also does this, how long till the entire market follows. It has everything to do with android. A small percentage of users ever use a another rom, let alone root. Regardless of the reason(s) this is done, it is a change from one of the basic fundamental characteristics of the android os experience. You had to flash a rom to alter a basic design implementation. That is a far cry from personalization and customizing.

Sent from my SPH-D710
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
This is exactly right. Can we please stop with the AT&T and HTC ram conspiracy theories? The multitasking is crippled by software. HTC needs to fix this as day to day use is getting rather annoying.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] belyle:
I contacted HTC about this issue and about the bootloader over the weekend. I just got the following reply via email.

I'll be hitting her back with a reply today, too. Keep raising the issue so HTC realizes that it's not just a few of us with the problem!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
It won't take long. Every manufacturer is trying to outdo the other with more bullcrap features so the masses will flock to their device. In an effort to add more functionality to the devices they are actually crippling one of the most basic functions of Android. Rob Peter to pay Paul I guess.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] polarbearmc:
The thing I want to know is if the International version really does have multitasking as good as the video that someone a couple days ago. Because if so, I don't get it... It's not sense's fault if that's the case. Or maybe it still is but it's fixable and is a bug. I don't really think we're actually missing RAM... That's too big a screw up. But as for that video, I mean this IS the internet where 50 people will say one thing about something and then 50 people say the exact opposite... But a video is kinda hard to lie about unless they're using some kind of highly modified ROM or something... But if the international One X really works like in that video, then I think there's no reason to think this can't be fixed. If not, then I might jump ship from Android altogether after hearing that the Galaxy S3 will have this aggressive memory management too. Because if the two most top of the line phones in the Android lineup are going in this direction, than I think Android is in for some serious problems.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] supercluver:
Yes, you would need to have root. But rooting is super simple.....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xdp:
This is exactly right. If this moves allows a manufacturer to eek out a little extra battery life or load up the phone with more bloat you can bet they will do it. This isn't a huge deal for people like us - we can just continue to prefer ROMs like CM9 like most of us already did. But for the average consumer switching from iPhone, it makes it look like Android has inferior multitasking and abilities and they may very well switch back. Just read up over on MacRumors forums...plenty of iPhone to One X switchers there who changed their mind and returned it. A typical user will think that's just how Android works and will never consider the platform again.

Surely Google will be using these new devices and will be aware of these modifications. If too many devices follow suit they will have to deal with it somehow if it's leading to dissatisfied users.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] louis.b:
Well sometimes wishes do come true dont they? The HOX has been indefinitely banned from the US market by customs. Those of you who are unhappy w this phone can return it or sell it I bet there are some "dummies" out there who would love to have this phone and can patiently wait for an update (it's been release 3 WEEKS ago and updates are surely coming). Let's the HOX be conveniently forgotten. And let's just wish HTC go bankrupt and Samsung be the sole Android manufacturer since I'm sure the S3 such a WONDERFUL phone even though it still hasnt been released and Samsung is such an INNOVATIVE company and anyone who doesnt like Samsung are "sheep".

And as a dummy I'm still saving to get myself an HOX.