yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I've read otherwise. That Verizon's throttling is a lot more dynamic and considers a lot more factors like congestion, data plan, data usage, location blah blah blah. Whether it is true or not I don't know. But it does seem like fewer Verizon users get throttled than atnt sneaky misleading tactics. Who knows?

let it be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Actually its on a tower by tower basis, so if I am a top 5% user on a crowded tower I will be throttled, however if the tower is not crowded I will not. That is how the system works. And by top 5% they mean anyone who uses over 2GB of data per month.

Bye the way, everything is on a account basis if you really think about it.

I advise you to do a little research before you post...http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/verizon-begins-throttling-service-for-remaining-unlimited-3g-customers/4522
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Like saying the next nexus will have chrome as default browser and quad core for sure kind of research?

let it be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dubeyy:
Mobilicity unlimited data

I use about 3GB a month
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eyekyu:
4GB all day every day...

came from at&t so called unlimited which was very limited.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Aridon:
Tiered on Verizon and one line on AT&T is unlimited with the rest being tiered.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iGoogleNexus:
AT&T

Unlimited Mobile to Mobile

Unlimited Text

5GB of data...

e.e I switched from the unlimited plan because I hate being throttled

- Google
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
Unlimited 4G LTE xD
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
Yea! And make sure you research an online blog cause it's only true if it's on the internet. :D

---------- Post added at 05:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:13 PM ----------

The poll options should be Tiered or Throttled.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
AT&T throttles everyone on the unlimited plan after 2GB. I can see VZW following suit eventually, so I'm happy with my 10GB plan that I snagged during the "double data" 4G promotion.

You mean unlimited till you hit 2GB then your data dies?.

This is what I read too.

Once you get throttled it is until your next billing cycle begins, not until you are on another tower.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Lol...so basically I should just drive until I am serviced by another tower to avoid being throttled? Sounds logical...not.

Seeing how we are being snarky now, I advise you use common sense and logic before posting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Coflropter:
Unlimited LTE on Verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
I'm on tiered 2gb plan with ATT. Been OK, went over once so far.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nosit1:
Verizon unlimited.

When ATT dropped my unlimited data, I told then to drop my ETF or loose the other three lines. They let me, then I took over an unlimited data account from a member here.

Eona better than ATT.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] neederishelp:
Verizon unlimited here, and I love it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spencer88:
I'm on unlimited vzw. Originally signed on for double data. Snuck into an unlimited plan ;-)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lippstuh:
Unlimited on VZW, I have an agent plan from when I worked there 3 years ago, $25 a month 1500 minutes unlimited everything.. I hope they don't throttle me ever :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] T-Keith:
Unlimited Verizon plan here. My wife has a 300mb plan. O:-) But fortunately she is on Wifi a lot.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thos25:
Left Sprint recently. Their unlimited plan was nice, but data speeds were horrible. Never used more than 1.3 Gb in a single month. Honestly the <100 Kb speeds were useless.

Went with T-Mobile monthly 4g (2GB) and very glad I did. Speeds around 2.0 Mb consistently. Granted, we are supposedly an HSPA+ 42 area according to a press release. The map on the other hand shows 3g only. But whatever, after Sprint speed I'm very happy with 2.0 Mb.

In the month I've been with T-Mobile I've only used slightly over 1Gb so I don't think I'll need to spend the extra 10 to get 5Gb @ full speed. Very happy. And no contract. Can't Complain about that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rboone18:
There's a trick to att unlimited data to not be throttled .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Lol you all are hilarious. To point taking my post from other threads. Really? Anyway it is what it is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dark lord me:
Tiered

However I pay $30 and get 6 gigs and i never go over 1.5 so it works great for me
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iil:
Unlimited with sprint. 50/ month sero 500 minutes, any time any mobile, unlimited night minutes start at 5 + phone as modem (hot spot which I never use)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 916Kev:
Tiered. 10gb for $50
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ks3rv3rg:
Still unlimited with Verizon. Not looking forward to end of my contract :banghead:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lucas.scott:
My contract has been up for months and I'm constantly at Verizon getting new phones and I get to keep the unlimited ..so don't think you have anything to worry about :) they told me even when I do decide to actually renew the contract that I get to keep it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ks3rv3rg:
Well I didn't really expect them to let me continue! Idiots!!! Hahaha... but seriously, that's cool to hear and I sure hope it works out that way for me too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] neederishelp:
As long as you don't leave Verizon, and just keep renewing, you'll keep unlimited
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Eventually, they will require you to sign up for a different data plan if you want to activate a new phone. They have done similar things before.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lucas.scott:
I'm sure they can if they wanna be dicks about it ... but I don't think they are required to .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I can think of at least two times in the past when they were as you call them, dicks.

When they changed the data plans for multimedia phones (pre smartphone era).

When they required mandatory data plans for smart phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lucas.scott:
Right but when that happened it was actually a change in the system . I think the omina was the first phone that required a data plan when I sold vzw.

You could activate an i760 without a data plan ... but the omina and phones released after that was actually a system requirement to add data . We couldn't continue the transaction without it.

I'm not saying we won't get to that point again. But its not there yet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Someone made a very good point recently.

Unlimited days are numbered on Verizon, because as it stands now, you can use your unlimited data on multiple devices.

Unlimited data on your phone? Pop in the sim. Tablet? Put in the sim. Verizon is not nice enough to allow that to continue forever.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lucas.scott:
Nothing good lasts forever buddy .. all we can do is be optimistic and enjoy the ride while it lasts :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
Sorry, Chief, but Verizon doesn't "throttle" like the other companies. They throttle individual towers if you download too much in a small time-frame (reports suggest 2GB in a matter of a few days), but very few people would ever hit that throttling and if you don't use it all on one tower you won't ever have a problem.

Unlimited plan on Verizon, here.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Its funny because that's exactly what I said which people were disagreeing with me on.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
And I still disagree with you both.

Please provide something of substance proving your view. Throttling per tower? That is pretty inefficient and ineffective.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Lol go figure
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
I have the 2 GB plan on my Xoom. It stays parked at home on WiFi most of the time. By the end of my billing cycle, I'm usually only at about 300 or 400 MB. Come the 28th or 29th of the month I'll start streaming tons of Netflix or YouTube to push the data right up to the cap. Gotta get my money's worth since $30/mo for 2 GB is borderline ludicrous.

As for the Galaxy Nexus, I have the 4 GB "double your data" plan. I couldn't use 4 GB of mobile data in a month on my phone if I tried, so it's as good as unlimited for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Convincing data you have prepared. Keep up the good work.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
How about this...http://support.verizonwireless.com/information/data_disclosure.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Like I said, per account only. Don't think for a second that moving to another tower will change a thing. If you do, you are naive. Do you really think that only one tower becomes congested at a time? Is congested even defined by Verizon?

You are getting caught up in a vague description from Verizon, to their customers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Simmo3D:
I get 15GB data per month with Telstra (3GB plan with a 12GB add on pack)

Unlimited calls to mobiles/landlines and unlimited SMS/MMS
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Lol...it says it right there and you still argue. So now where is your proof backing up your argument...all your doing is name calling, thinking that there is some conspiracy going on. I'm all for debate, but come on now....ur making this too easy.

And I never disagreed with your per account only. You think vzw will throttle everyone because one guy uses 30gb on a tower? I don't think so. They will throttle that guy on that tower at that time of congestion because that is who is sucking up the bandwidth. Its pretty simple network engineering and makes perfect sense.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Dude, you are arguing based on a purposely vague disclosure. They purposely did not define congestion. They can do it whenever they like, because their definition of congested has not been defined in the disclosure. Do you really think that only one tower in an area is congested at a time? Really? Think about it.

By the way, where did I call anyone names? You brought it up, so lets see it. Naive is a state of mind, not calling someone names. Nice try.

You can believe what you like. I am not naive enough to buy a vague disclosure and trust that Verizon will only 'optimize' my data on one tower. All they have to do is say, "well, all the towers in the city were congested, you were in the top 5%, so your ass got throttled". And you cannot do a thing to prove it either way because you have no clear definition or guideline for what they consider congested. That disclosure was cleverly written, but it isn't about what they are saying, it is what they are not saying.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Well, sorry I don't do circular arguments with personal improvable theories. You still have not provided credible proof justifying your statement. So that shows me you choose to be ignorant to the facts and just base everything on...well...your opinion. Which means I have nothing more to say. Thanks for the debate though, its been fun. Cheers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Call me ignorant all you want ( I call it untrusting of carriers). There are plenty of disclosures by carriers that had all sorts of gotchas. Go ahead and run away though.

By the way,

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2499...dwidth_throttling_the_backlash_has_begun.html

http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/22621

Still think carriers don't purposely make their disclosures vague?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Nice some actual proof. However, I have been talking about Verizon all this time..who uses a complete different model for throttling. I don't really follow the other networks because I'm not on those networks. So this is really kind of non related.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I suppose it is unrelated, if you think Verizon is a saint.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ks3rv3rg:
Really, none of us here know the depths of Verizon's throttling model. To me it makes more sense that they'd throttle based of consistency/amount of usage. So if you're pulling 15gb in total, no matter how many towers, you'd be throttled. Or perhaps they'd throttle you first if you connected to a congested tower but won't at all on a tower that's low activity. Really, I believe there are many variables with a few obvious being most relevant in their throttling model. But we'll never know
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
I never said that, We were debating Verizon's throttling policy and you provided post about ATT.

By they way that post speaks to Verizon in positive light in terms of drawing contrast between ATT and Verizon's throttling policy. They quote, "Verizon provides explicit guidelines to its throttling policy" now this is a third party saying this, so your whole vague argument is starting to sound a bit weak. Funny, this is based on proof you provided.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I was giving examples on why carrier disclosures are vaguely worded on purpose (and not to be trusted) and don't give you the whole picture. You started being professional, don't start backsliding into immature comments now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Not immature at all. I'm just stating fallacies in your argument. Maybe you never debated before. Its OK most haven't...I'm kinda a nerd that way. But that's the whole point....to take your argument and disprove it....not with my opinion, but with credible relevant outside data. Something you haven't really done in this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
How about an actual experience?

http://androidforums.com/4080094-post20.html

The cases are out there, you just have to look for them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vash1053:
VZW unlimited
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Here is another.

https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/725847
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yet another.

http://www.mightytitans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22378

This guy actually drove to get to another cell site and was still throttled.

Do I need to keep going, or are you getting the picture? Let me know, I can post more stories tomorrow.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Interesting post, which in its own right has its own debaters. But unless you poll a decent amount of people and ask if they are being throttled during non peak hours, its basically one guys rant. It sucks but it happens. However the point I'm trying to make is that Verizon throttles by tower, maybe some small minority is having issues with being throttled all the time. But does that mean everyone is throttled that way? Who knows, but a forum post rant from a few people doesn't really prove anything. But hey let's just agree to disagree I think we have beat this to death. Don't you think?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
By they way a verifiable sample would be in the thousands of 3G users with in similar network conditions if you are really try to prove a point. You can post 100 post and it still won't mean a thing. Just 100 people out of millions who have issues with the network. All have a little bit different. Sorry I'm 6 sigma process improvement pm, and when I have to prove some improvement I did actually worked I have to sample like 10% of my organization before my director actually confirms it relevant. Which is why verizon does not budge until someone starts some petition a statistically relevant number of people sign it. Until then they are just rants.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] frigidazzi:
Tmobile 30 dollare 5 gb plan.

Was on sprint which sucked gettin 20kpbs average on 3g.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] donsh00tmesanta:
Sprint unlimited

Sent from unnamed 2.0.1 powered galaxy s2 brought to you by sprint
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Can't we all just admit the carriers are giving us the shaft?

let it be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
So it says 4G phones are not effected. So does that mean if you own a 4G phone but use over 2 gigs on 3G with an unlimited plan you won't be effected because the way it reads is by the phone type and not using 3G on a 4G device.

Just curious but anyway I have Verizon with a 10gig a month plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Network carriers like ATT are screwing people daily with a lot more reports and you won't find that quality of information. Doesn't make it any less real. You asked for links, and I gave them. You can't keep upping the stakes to justify your own argument.

First you wanted links. Gave them.

Then you wanted a higher quality of data with more sampling. WTF?

No, bro. I am not going to put in countless hours of work to prove what everyone knows as a fact already: Carriers are liars and cheats, and no disclosure (no matter how much feel good love floats from it) will change that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yes I can :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
That's a good question. And it could be a loophole vzw could use to throttle you if you happen not to be using 4g at the time. But honestly I don't work for vzw so I do not know.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HeCareth:
Lol OK let me stop picking arguments with folk....hahahaha
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cletonius:
tiered on vzw. luckily I got in on the double data promo so I get 4gb for the price of 2. I still miss unlimited data though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] times_infinity:
They might be able to throttle if you're connected via Evdo, but LTE phones use eHRPD for 3G majority of the time. And I do believe per FCC rules, 4G spectrums can't be throttled.

And by can't, I mean they don't allow it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] times_infinity:
Double post. Haven't slept yet -__-
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Juggernaut79:
VZW unlimited
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rmcsc:
Actual unlimited, un-throttled T-Mobile. It's magical like that.

And no, I'm not kidding nor trolling. T-Mobile Puerto Rico is letting me keep it and not throttling me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Grims:
It actually makes perfect sense they'd throttle per tower. Verizon isn't limited on a backbone bandwidth point of view, they are limited on how much data they can put through a tower to x amount of users. If a few users are hogging all the data on the tower it would be "throttled" (actually QoS is the technology) to level the experience for everyone else.

However, once the throttled user moves on to a tower with low traffic, there would be no reason to continue to throttle the user because there is ample resources at their disposal.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
100mb data plan from e-plus germany :p. I don't need more because at home I only get gprs but 3mbit up/down in the city.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Read back to the inks I provided. What we may think as no reason, doesn't equate to what actually happens.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Many T-Mobile US people have this too. Back in the day they offered unlimited non-throttled plans and people are grandfathered.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ferndom:
T-Mobile unlimited HSPA+, no caps. Its a 25 dollar monthly add on to my family plan.. I'm grandfathered in... booyah
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] digweed4me:
Timobile 4g prepaid plan for 30 dollars

Unlimited data (5gb on hspa+)

Unlimited text

100 mins voice call I know its low but I use Google voice with talkatone unlimited calls. I hardly call from T-Mobile cause talkatone working flawlessly even on 3g.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chris61292:
Verizon Unlimited FTW
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Verizon Unlimited. :D Haven't been throttled at all(that I know of).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
You're not the only one. Its a very popular plan in the US for our Galaxy Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cordell12:
Verizon unlimited, never been over 2 gigs though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wilsonlam97:
I'm also on mobilcity. I used about 2GB a month. Unlimted for life :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DroidDavi:
Unlimited bit then throttled at 5 gb with is usually enough
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] edwardlanti:
T-Mobile unlimited HSPA+, no caps

Unlimited Texts

Unlimited Minutes

$79.99 a month

I think have close to 4 - 5 years with this plan. They are constantly asking if I would like to change my plan every time I called T-Mobile lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
They got on me a lot too. I got onto an "Even More +" no-contract $69 plan right before they stopped offering it. They even cold called me a few days asking me to switch. I'm like uhhh gtfo?
[HTC Sensation] harru:
I've asked this question as part of another question in another thread, but never got an answer...

I have a T-Mobile Sensation 4G that's rooted and has an unlocked bootloader.

There is no custom ROM on it right now, it's still the original Android 2.3.4 with Sense 3.0.

When T-Mobile pushes out the ICS update. What happens to my phone if I allow it to load?

Will my phone still be rooted? Will the bootloader still be unlocked?

Or will my phone revert to a locked and unrooted state?

Or is there potential for damage?

I'd like the official ICS update because it will include a working T-Mobile Wifi calling app for ICS. But I would like to keep my phone rooted.

Thanks in advance for any answers and advice on this!
[HTC Sensation] wildcontigo:
Are u s-off? By rooted do u mean with custom recovery an superuser installed?
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
If you are S-off or HTC Dev unlocked then no you will not go back S-on or be relocked.

You will lose root, but go to here for a guide on how to root the nee ICS ROM.

Now as far as if you being rooted there is some that say need to un root before updating. And there is some that say it does not matter. I am still trying to learn more about this myself, so to be safe I suggest you un root before you update.
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
+1 on that. I have a stock un-rooted backup just for that purpose. Nobody seems to have a definitive answer so it's better to be safe. IMHO, I don't think it would be an issue though.
[HTC Sensation] xtcislove:
no problem

i have done s off months ago with revolutionary

and yesterday i flashed an ruu with ics

after this i have a "locked" bootloader but i am still soff and i flashed an eng hboot for ics and all is working fine!

with or without the engeneering hboot
[HTC Sensation] craven667:
They won't and can't when u root it turns off updates
[HTC Sensation] sparx180:
Its a complete load of BS that your phone won't get updates if its rooted. All you need is stock rom and stock recovery. To preserve your root use voodoo ota root keeper. Backup root before update, then as long as your s off, flash stock recovery in boot loader, reboot, get the update, flash an unlocked 3.32 firmware from development section firmware thread then flash a custom recovery in bootloader then restore root using the app and flash root tools from mikes stock rom thread in clockwork mod or 4ext which contains su binaries, busy box etc. Which should give you root back.
[HTC Sensation] masands:
What happens if you are S-OFF? Do OTA updates check for S-OFF? All I have done is S-Off'ed my phone but not changed my stock ROM. Not rooted either.
[HTC Sensation] sparx180:
S-off makes no difference either. The update will not check for it. All it looks for is modified rom or recovery.
[HTC Sensation] craven667:
No wonr get pushed why people think when a update is out your phone will crash
[HTC Sensation] sparx180:
Well I can promise you that my phone updated to ics from stock gb with root and I managed to restore it after the update. Its recovery that will stop it installing. This page holds tons of instructions on ota updates but halfway down it says that ONLY correct CID, Recovery and stock rom are needed.

http://www.htcsensationforum.com/htc-sensation-rooting/how-to-downgrade-upgrade-gb-lt-gt-ics-a-tutorial/

But I'm just saying its possible, if anyone wants to try it then go ahead the information's all there but if your not confident that you know what your doing then try something else or unroot it.
[HTC Sensation] craven667:
I think its a few that scares people saying update broke there phone so they unroot and son but don't know there safer skipping update till devs get at it and keep clockwork but that's just me wont ever install stock bloat again
[HTC Sensation] sparx180:
Well its hardly bloat, its a recovery, and its the only recovery that can apply official updates. And thats the only reason it would ever be used over clockworkmod or 4ext unless you wanted to stay 100% stock. But all custom recoveries stop an official update being installed that's why you need stock recovery if you wanna receive official updates.