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[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
But is it really essential? To put it differently, will it help to sell more phones? Somehow I do not think so.

Look at HTC. They did release their OneX with quad. And...? Somehow - nothing, seems to be put aside as an unpractical curiosity. Except discussions like

Gee, thanks HTC for that portable hand warmer. Do we also want one from Sony? Would you actually buy it?

And it gets even funnier. They have announced even more expensive high(-er) end device - OneXL. With dualcore S4. How can it be?

The SamsungS3 story do not tell us anything, it would sell exactly as well even with a dualcore. And as early reviews suggest, even Samsung is unable to properly handle that quadcore and was forced to implement user controllable CPU power throttling (read - most of the time will be ON).

So, you buy the "quickest" cpu and then run it with permanent brakes on or risk to burn your fingers. Great.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
It is in someway essential for marketing :rolleyes: Like Sammy told during the presentation of the S3 "......cause 4 are better than 2!" The same goes for HTC

Just take a look at this (Amazon HTC ONE X product page):

http://translate.google.de/translat...D-Touchscreen-Megapixel-Android/dp/B007CYA82W

The first slogan is : Your entertainer with quad-core processor

"The incredibly powerful quad-core processor delivers lightning fast web surfing, ensures quality and an amazing photo-realistic gaming experience -"

They want you to think that quad cores are a must have in a high-end phone and sadly most people think so too, except the "geek" who knows that there is almost no benefit of having 4 cores in a phone. So I highly welcome Sony's decision to go with dual core CPUs.

The ONE XL is just for LTE markets. It uses the S4, cause Tegra 3 doesn't support LTE.
[Xperia Z General] chrisp7:
It just looks ****! Hardware is obviously great, software so so. It was more the disappointment - At least we have Sony (hopefully) to finally fill the quality build quotent.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I've got the One S and thought I'd run some benchmarks, to compare with the Xperia S.

Now, it's important to note that the HTC only has 960x540 pixels, compared to 1280x720 on the Xperia S.

Yes, the HTC is faster but is it so much faster that everyone with an Xperia S is going to want to ditch it purely for the S4 processor?

[Clearly, I'm unable to do a proper battery comparison test with the Sony and HTC, so I am, for now, ignoring the possible battery gains with the new chipset]
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I doubt that in every day life you will notice the difference between S3 and S4 (maybe in some 3D intensive games).

Just ditching the XS just because of the CPU is imo nonsense.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I think it is actually the other way. Geeks do know and care. "Quadcore" is good for bragging rights. The average joe just shrugs his shoulders with "quad-what"?

We geeks know and understand this. The average user - not really.

So, if your average joe/hans/pedro walks in to the Vodafone or O2 or T-Mobile shop somewhere in Germany and sees the quadcore OneX for 549eur and dualcore OneXL for 699eur ("obviously higher end" because much more expensive), he will be confused. Provided he actually cares which I suspect most likely just doesn't.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Another consideration will be when the Xperia S gets ICS.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
They would be completely mad is they do. That being said, there are some cases where the S4 is significantly faster. Like javascript/browser performance.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Its pathetic !!!

Nobody knows abt the event, nobody covering the event, no news about the event..are they goona announce Honami or anything like this..

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] TracerBullitt:
I Want to Believe!

lol (I do.)

I can't wait for Sony to have more huge events, like Apple, some day...
[Xperia Z General] xEraseRx:
Why would they announce a new flagship smartphone on such a, apparently, small event?

Also I doubt the Honami will arrive anytime soon. The Z is just too young to be replaced. Would not expect it in Q3, end of Q4 at best. Or actually given the fact that it's SONY, we can just wait till everyone else releases their S800 devices and then they will start moving when a new generation of hardware is about to arrive.

But I admit my view is quite pessimistic.
[Xperia Z General] Purehazard:
I don't know. Last year, the Ion was announce January and released in June. Then the T was announced in August and released September.

I can see the Honami released in Q3.
[Xperia Z General] katamari201:
I'm such a sucker! I knew there was nothing but I wanted to believe too! Oh well. There are boring leaks of the Lumia 1020 to hold me over. The LG G2 is shaping up to be pretty sweet too. 5.2", the perfect size for me. Smaller than a Note 2 but bigger than an S4.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I am so glad some people chose to ignore what I said this morning and a while ago when I said about the fact there are at least three localised events for the same thing (the other being Germany). Why they're on different dates, I do not know - but Paris was not a likely location for such a big launch with nobody else invited from elsewhere.

The event this evening is a cocktail party, presumably with everyone who attended this morning invited - and other sections of the media (lifestyle mags, partners, networks etc) also invited who didn't go this morning.

To think that they'd suddenly slip out a brand new flagship during an evening of drinks is quite astounding. It would make no sense, especially with a bunch of drunk journos now trying to write up hands-ons and do shaky videos!
[Xperia Z General] ultrairon:
They might announce it at IFA
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
That's what I said this morning! :)
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
IFA makes more sense for a late Aug, or Sept release for i1.
[Xperia Z General] katamari201:
Wuts yer point? You want more internet brownie points for stating the obvious? Everyone has already mentioned it multiple times. Those still talking are just loitering around for the hell of it. Its a never ending thread until honami gets released after all. And its a sony event so of course it should be covered, honami o not. You might even find a clue or two.
[Xperia Z General] chrisrotolo:
While looking for some info about this paris drink party, I found this on g+,

https://plus.google.com/111856021126878350887/posts/cPwnif83Hy1
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I am not trying to score points but myself and others said it wasn't being announced today. I even said so before the Z Ultra was announced. Others said so too (I'm not the only genius ;) ).

But still today people kept saying it was happening, first this morning and then this evening.

If anyone was there with the prototype in a pocket, then maybe someone saw a glimpse. Maybe someone will get a spy shot, but it would then be even more obvious that Sony wants people to talk about it.

I don't know if Sony does or doesn't want people talking, but a lot of info is already out that can't be disputed.

I think IFA makes the most sense, given Sony launched two devices there last year (or slightly before, with both on display to the press and public). Why would Sony miss all the publicity from the big boys, or risk their wrath for not inviting them to a launch?
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
Honami will most probably be announced mid August and will be available mid September...

as has been the case for the past 2 years H2 flagship phones:

2011 - http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc_s-4134.php

2012 - http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_t-4899.php
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
So I was right that it was just before IFA, with the products shown to everyone at the event on Sony's huge stand.

Samsung will use IFA for its new Note 3 launch, so maybe Sony will indeed announce a bit in advance again, just as it also has at CES and Mobile World Congress a number of times.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
is there going to be a sony even before IFA?
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
well i think samsung would do a note 3 event separately and also showcase it in IFA. They have grown so bigger themselves to have a event individually.
[Xperia Z General] darth5zaft:
Probably, but in 2011 and last year, Sony release their mid range at MWC but this year the SP was launched latter and quite low event.

Best thing about Sony H2 flagship is come January, it would be selling at half price, like the V and Arc S did
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
They might announce before, but bear in mind that they've got the world's press in town and the means to do a huge event nearby or onsite that will also be including other Samsung products, not just mobile.

Announcing before is becoming more common simply to try and secure more coverage, and of course we also know Samsung can now wait until after, trying to copy Apple by having an event on its own terms.

Sony has announced early at MWC but didn't this year when it opted to have it at the new venue first thing in the morning on the opening day.

Anyway, the exact date isn't important as long as we accept that it wasn't going to happen yesterday and isn't likely to be in the next month either (as mentioned, Sony in Sweden is pretty much closed now for holidays).
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Do you guys think the 2014 January flagship would be a big improvement Regarding honami? Cause sony will finally catch up with the latest hardware (s800) and Qualcomm won't announce another SoC's gen to meet CES, so just wondering if this 2014 flagship would carry the s800 again? What do you think?

Cause T didn't get much attention because of the old hardware and z rumors started quite soon..
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
there will always be something new in pipeline

face the reality... the hardware you buy is already outdated the day u buy it!!!
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Yes I know that, I just don't want it to be outdated too soon
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
excellent post!
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
Isn't that because we already buy old Hardware ? When was the first time you heard of Krait v3 aka S800 ? could be nearly a year now ? Public release was in January, but rumors were few months earlier. So 6 months passed and still no S800 phone on the Market !
[Xperia Z General] ipmanwck:
What happened to the 4th July Xperia Honami announcement??
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
there's no honami announcement before august, it was just a misunderstanding

july 4th event in france is just for local press to introduce Z Ultra, Smartwatch 2 and new headset (forget the name)
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
I don't think S800 will be outdated for years to come. We are not playing catch up in specs anymore like earlier when the software wasn't mature and hardware wasn't powerful enough to power the system. I felt like anything S4 or above should runs smoothly in 720p, and now we are entering the 1080p era, S4 pro in the Z is just enough to handle, but not sure how future proof that will be or how big of a jump the next version of android will be. S800 should be more than enough for 1080p and should be good for the next couple years. For the next version of Z ultra, I can see they go with a higher res screen, like 2560x1440 and eventually hit 4k? but that is at least a few years away. Anyway thats my guess.
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
in my opinion, in smartphone market we need no more than full HD

why using 2560x1440 or even 4K when you cant even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p

the most important thing in the near future is how to get a lot better battery life like old days, with Nokia Symbian, we can manage to a few days in a single charge
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
I would rather have Sony underclock the Honami down to 2ghz or less if it meant better battery life.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
I can see the difference actually, pretty noticeable with higher ppi on the same screen size. 1080p to 2560x1440 on something like a 6.4' screen should be very noticeable also.
[Xperia Z General] LordManhattan:
But where will it end? When will we be satisfied? 50K? I think we'll soon reach a peak regarding resolution and color reproduction (although, the latter can still be better), and the next big one should be battery. We got really nice screens and cameras now. The biggie now is battery life, but we all know how incredible slow it is to develop and introduce new battery technologies to the market, so I guess we'll still have to wait a while.

Sent from my third leg
[Xperia Z General] DrKrFfXx:
Define "pretty noticeable".
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
you have a microscopic eye, dont you?
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
If they push a faster battery development then they should prepare for court hearings about people that are victims of exploding phones.

It's really noticeable once you have a stuck/dead pixel :) I got a HTC One which has for now the highest DPI that has 1 stuck pixel and believe me... With high brightness settings you'll easily notice it without a sweat ;)
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
it's a different story bro

of course you'll notice black dot when others are bright, so will we

I mean you'll never be able to tell the difference of 300+ ppi screen while watching movies, viewing photos, playing games, etc
[Xperia Z General] jianlinooi:
best score ever.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I do think this should be an option for any future power management tools on Sony devices.

If I am out for a long day and don't want to run out of power (and even carrying a 4,500mAh portable battery pack isn't ideal as I have to have the time to plug it in to charge) then I'd like to not only have the ability to save battery consumption in standby, as is already available with Stamina mode and/or using other tools like Qualcomm's Battery Guru, but be able to implement other saving features - and limiting the maximum clock speed or even shutting down cores (not sure if the latter would make much difference though) seems like a no-brainer.

My Xperia Z is plenty fast enough, but already out done by the HTC One and GS4, so Honami is going to be madness - and I won't need that level of power all the time at all. When I'm home, I can have all the power in the world, but out and about - PLEASE give me more options to have it just last. I'd rather a slower phone lasts until late evening than a super awesome powerhouse being dead by 3pm.
[Xperia Z General] Fluxman:
I think that is what he S800 is suppose to deliver, better power saving options. The ability to shut off cores that aren't in use and whatnot. Also quick charge to charge up the battery super fast

Source: http://pocketnow.com/2013/07/02/snapdragon-800
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I know that it will support the very latest version of Qualcomm's fast charging, which is great news - but I would still like some additional control to offer a 'real' stamina mode that improves standby even when I'm using the phone.

That could mean compromising performance, screen brightness and other things so I can still keep mobile data/Wi-Fi enabled and still sync background data (I quite like Huawei's way of letting you manually allow data access for individual apps, sort of like what Battery Guru can do to a degree). I don't want a phone where to get the best performance you turn everything off, or it's really fiddly to manually turn things on/off and you then forget to re-enable things later on etc.

I fear that the new chipset will have many power saving options, but still be configured to run faster than I might need - simply because Sony and Qualcomm will want to ensure there is never any noticeable lagging or delays caused by throttling or shutting down cores.

However, if I manually enable an option to throttle the performance then I'm not going to complain. I do think that too many manufacturers are not realising that people are now likely to consider battery life as being as important than just having a better screen, camera etc.
[Xperia Z General] AntiLazarus:
You're on XDA, dude; just root it and underclock/undervolt or whatever you want.
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
If I have to do what you written! I prefer to go on with xz
[Xperia Z General] DrKrFfXx:
XZ also has troubles with the battery.

I undervolt, keep 2G all the time, keep a reasonable low screen brightness, and still I never manage more than 5h screen time per charge. 3.5-4.5h being the norm.

And not only the screen is to blame, I don't think android is that good managing the battery. There are like 5 idling processes that take away the battery, wifi, android os, mobile standby, android system, I mean WTF. It all ads up to something like 30% of the battery consumption. Then when you make a phone call, there are two processes that take a chunk to the battery, "phone" and "voice calls", and probably mediaserver, why on earth...
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
hey guys, i vaguely remember a rumor/article which said Sony is already working on the next version of the smart watch(other than smart watch 2) is that true or just my imagination?

any links will be useful. Thanks!
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
you mean other than this ? http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/07/05/sony-smartwatch-2-expected-wc-15-july-for-120-in-the-uk/

why would they make another wrist watch ? nobody is gonna buy them anway.
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
Thanks not this, smart watch version 3 or something newer than 2 ? guess i am dreaming i don't find any.
[Xperia Z General] TracerBullitt:
I imagine, as a company, they are already developing their next version. And I really hope they are. When Apple, Samsung, etc goes on to "invent" the smartwatch, (which will probably be more advanced than Sony's SW2, Sony better have some next gen tech ready to reveal.
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
Yes that's exactly what i think. May be Sony could have put in some more sensors related to sport & fitness into this and if that was done, it just would have broken any other device! i am pretty sure apple will come up with something little better and market it like mad!

More bad news is that this is not available on July 15 now, its been pushed to Sep 9!!!
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
No matter what apple makes it will sell like crazy. My guess is that apples smartwatch will be worse (at least in specs and features) but still more successful.

Apple needs to say only this: "this smartwatch is the most advance piece of technology" and everyone will say "woooow" and buy them.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Most Sony Mobile products (besides maybe smaller accessories) are in development for around two years, from concept to announcement. So yes, it's almost completely certain they're already working on the Smartwatch after Smartwatch 2.
[Xperia Z General] TracerBullitt:
I'd like to see Sony incorporate some methods of communication in their next iteration; maybe a camera and mic? Would that be asking too much? ...Or asking for trouble.
[Xperia Z General] :
Can't wait for it :D :good::victory:
[Xperia Z General] AndroidGyan:
Xperia Z Ultra Android 4.2.2 14.1.B.0.438 firmware certified by PTCRB

Xperia Z Ultra Android 4.2.2 14.1.B.0.438 firmware certified by PTCRB...

Official listing goes on 8 July on PTCRB Site.

Initial build.

Source - http://www.xperiaguide.com/2013/07/10/xperia-z-ultra-c6802-xl39h-android-4-2-2-14-1-b-0-438-firmware-certified/
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
hi just wanted to know that if the timeshift mode in honami replaces the current burst mode that is in the z/zl ?
[Xperia Z General] MafiaManV:
No, you still have separate burst.mode..

Sent from my C6603
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
thanks
[Xperia Z General] anirudhks:
Some surprising news I read the displays that htc use Slcd is actually manufactured by SMD sony mobile display.. Why doesn't sony use it for their own handset??
[Xperia Z General] Riyal:
They have display lotteries also...

1. Sony display

2. Samsung C2_1 display

3. Samsung C2_2 display

Sony has most coolest color out of the 3. Samsung C2_2 is the weakest and is sort of yellowish.

Average displays are using the Samsung C2_1 and the sony display was already made on early limited batches.

The sony display has some issues where if the phone is off you would notice lines all over the screen like a grill. That's maybe the reason why they haven't used it.
[Xperia Z General] ILoveXperia:
Simple..

it is profitable for them to supply the part to other company which is selling more than their own product. Example the camera lens in Samsung galaxy s4.
[Xperia Z General] anirudhks:
thats a good way in terms of business, but why sacrifice for own product and give others ? samsung did this sometime back with HTC when they supplied diplays ..
[Xperia Z General] ILoveXperia:
well as far i can predict is that sony sell their "prototype" product and supply it to other company to determine if that the people/consumer/us want by letting other company become the tester in terms of marketing/buisness. by doing so, this will make good information/research result so that sony will put the best in their product that people want/enjoy/like..

another way to look at it is that sony not only major in mobile but a bunch of other product try to incorporate their design and hardware/built into their product specifically in this case is the mobile product. so by having the information result from other company using their hardware, sony will put maybe the final product of the "prototype" product and hope to beat the competitor.

just my thought anyway.. dont know if its really happening:)
[Xperia Z General] Purehazard:
Each division is there to make money. If you can sell 1 million units to Motorola, HTC and Sony Mobile instead of just hoarding and only selling say 200,000 units to Sony mobile, why not? Motorola and HTC will need to buy displays from somewhere. Why let Samsung sell more?
[Xperia Z General] anirudhks:
yep , basically its just pure business , they dont mind not getting the fame but instead get enough funds for the company to make profit..
[Xperia Z General] katamari201:
This is why Sony fanboys are the dumbest pieces of poop around, up there with Nokia fanboys, in the smartphone space. Once mighty titans now fallen, with lingering loyalists that ravage the internet spouting and making up BS. Many here. A ton on Esato. I like to look for Honami news, and leaks, but you have to coexist with this sort of community, which I despise. The saddest thing is they don't understand its all just business. Business business business. They don't give two rats asses about you. It's a large multinational corporation. The executives change. The employees change. The investors change. It's all about money. Do you see any Bank of America fanboys around? Okay, there probably are some...

This isn't like Apple with one tyrannical Steve Jobs controlling and obsessing over everything, many of which aren't always practical or business savvy. Now that he is dead, the rest of Apple is fluid. It can turn into a banana or a coconut, or a head of rotting lettuce. Sony on the other hand has no one like this. A face that defines the company's image. One that tells you the company will be steadfast in their culture of excellence and not succumb to money. Sony is also a Japanese company, an old one with those strong traditions of company "harmony". If you've ever taken a Japanese business language course before, you will know how obnoxious and restrictive business meetings and decision making can be. Everyone must agree. There's no autonomy and no alacrity or nimbleness. Individuality and innovation can be suffocated at times. There's far less risk too. I bet this is one of the reasons why Sony continues to have some of the most awful displays on the market, even though they can make good ones. Somewhere along the bureaucracy, there was a disagreement, and the whole chain collapses every time.
[Xperia Z General] AntiLazarus:
"Continues?" What are you talking about? The Xperia Z is the only Sony handset that has people complaining about the display. The Z Ultra is supposed to have what is possibly the best smartphone display *ever.* Please don't make generalizations about Sony fans while making up a Sony reputation for horrid screens in the same post, please.