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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] liquid150:
Speaking of the Moto X, they just released an ad for it that will be in print tomorrow.

Now we rewind the rumor mill 3 months and go back to the "customizable hardware?" rumor...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andrew Andrax:
Wait... Why do we have to compare other phones to the nexus which isn't the best of phones? That seems to be quite unfair. Isn't it unfair that only the nexus 4 has a fully working ubuntu touch rom... And at the same time it's production is being limited in a bid to keep it relevant... That is wrong... Shame on you Google... Open source is based on freedom of choice not being coerced to get a certain phone to get a specific os... Very wrong
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] creeve4:
XDA needs a thumbs down for posts such as these...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Well he was partially correct with the bit about Nexus phones not being high end phones spec wise.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
Yeah, that way we can filter the bull comments like the one I just made.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] samuelrf:
what do you think guys, do you recommend me to buy this phone now for 125€? thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wh1t3Rose:
Agreed the 1st half of his post made sense bottom half not so much

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
I think I'm just going to wait for the GN3. Can you say 3GB of RAM? Enjoy your colored backplate and sub par specs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
Android doesn't even begin to fill up 2GB at this point in time. 3GB is just going to be a sound byte that marketing can use to say "look at me! I have lots of RAM!!!" In reality, it will only help benchmark scores, and nothing else. It will also drive up the price of the device. Manufacturers must do what they can to sell devices, but I'd rather they put their effort somewhere else, such as in durability. I don't want to see how much free ram I have through a cracked screen, because the bezel is so thin. I see a ton of GS3s, Notes, Droid DNAs, etc, with cracked screens. Let's work on that first, before you give me an extra gig of ram that won't get used.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
That is not even close to being true. Android most definitely uses up 2GB of RAM. I do it all the time on my Note 2. Everyone whined when the Note 2 came out with 2GB of RAM in the same manner you are now. Coming from a OG Note I can tell you that there is a massive difference in the user experience with an extra gig of RAM. You will most definitely feel and utilize those 3GB. It will be most noticeable when multitasking, opening up apps for the first time, moving, copying, deleting, backing up files, smoothness of scrolling etc. Especially so because of the S Apps included with the Note series.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
On my droid DNA, I never saw usage above 900-1200 mb
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
10GB of RAM in my computer is not enough. I need 16!!!!

Seriously though, I think some have forgotten how Android manages RAM. If you have a ton of apps, yes, your RAM will look like a sad panda. However Android has no problems dumping the apps you never open to make room for whatever RAM hungry game or app you would want to use.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
Do you experience lag? If not, than what will an extra gig do? What is your up time? In my dealings with android phones over the last 4 years, I've found the longer I go between reboots, the more lag and stutter I have. I usually reboot my phone every other day, because that makes it always run like it just came out of the box. If you reboot more often, you will also find your ram usage will be much lower.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Yes I do experience lag on occasion, especially when I have multiple apps open, which I do frequently for work. You missed the part of my comment where I mentioned all the areas where having an extra GB of RAM would make a noticeable difference.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
Try rebooting your phone more often, and see if you still have the lag issue. It will also help with most of what you listed in your post.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
You're missing my point. Yes 2GB of RAM might be sufficient, yes rebooting your phone more often helps it run faster, but having more RAM will make all those things happen even faster. Sure you might not need it, who really needs half of the things our phones are able to do right now?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
Ok
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tylerdurdin:
All more ram is really going to do is allow you to cache even more applications. Ram has never been the main cause of lag in android.... Unless the system is maxing it out, and apps are not being killed off. Androids priority is what has caused lag in devices.

When we have 3 gigs of ram, and we get bigger operating systems, we will be right back to seeing half a gig or less of available ram. This redundancy is the same as this topic that has been going on here for the past 5 or 6 years.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zAlbee:
You've got it backwards. RAM size is the ONE spec that won't affect benchmarks, but will give you real world benefits.

I feel like people who repeat this "advantage" of Android RAM management aren't thinking properly. A desktop OS will page out to disk when RAM runs out, so programs can use more memory than is physically available, up to the page file size, and continue to run. In Android (and iOS), apps get closed when you run out of memory, and they need to restart when you access them again. How is that any better? Today's desktop PC has 4 GB plus more dedicated to the GPU; our g nexus has 1 GB shared. After GPU (GPU acceleration is heavily used since ICS), system only has about 650-700 MB left for apps. With larger screen resolution, the more RAM the GPU needs, since that directly increases the size of your framebuffer. So I wouldn't regard increased RAM as a spec race; once you move to 1080p res, it's a necessity!

In my personal use, 1 GB is definitely not enough. Have you ever been playing a game, paused to take a call or message, and when you went back, the game restarted because Android purged it from memory? I have. I've lost some pretty good "Temple Run" runs that way. Or be driving with Pandora Radio on, make a quick stop at the bank or store, use phone while inside, come back and Pandora restarts, losing the position and track you were listening to. Very frustrating. I'm not even talking about the speed/load time here. I'm talking about actual gimped functionality and loss of workflow.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Thank you. Someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fifarunnerr:
Those 'out of memory' issues are because those apps don't use all of Android's app-state/multitasking features. Try opening an app like Play Store, Gmail or Gallery. It'll probably open in 'My apps', a custom label(Social/Updates/...)or an album. Now press the multitasking button, swipe the app away and re-open the app. Now it'll open in the main section of the Play Store, your Primary inbox, or the album overview.

Those app store the state of their app when the application gets minimized. Android calls a function when apps get minimized so the app can store the state info(currently opened tab, game-details, ...). When Android is out of memory, it'll clear most of the data the app uses(loaded maps, views, data), but the stored state won't be cleared. So when the user goes back to the app after Android was out of memory, Android will pass the state info to the app, allowing the app to restore it's state.

Most normal apps use this, because storing states is also useful after a rotation(a rotation restarts the whole app, so restoring it's state after a rotation is basically a mut). Unfortunately, most games don't use it, which is a bad thing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
I didn't say it's an advantage, it's just how Android works. Yes, more RAM is better, and yes 1GB is starting to be on the low end of things. However, would I not buy a phone because it "only" has 2 GB of RAM? No, because 2GB is more than sufficient.

No, not on 4.1.2. The only app that appears to need to reload itself(although it's more like a foced page refresh) when I open it is Chrome. Then again, I don't use my phone for games much if at all, and all the music I play on it is stored local, not streamed. Videos always go back to where I left off, but this is just how that app works, I can go back after a phone reboot and pick up at the same spot.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zAlbee:
You're right, you didn't say that. Sorry for presuming. Sometimes I forget that there are still knowledgeable people left on XDA. ;)

I'm using 4.1.2 as well. I wouldn't rule out a 2GB device either, but I also don't know if it's enough (not having owned a 2 GB device). My next device will definitely NOT have 1 GB as that is too little for my needs. I definitely wouldn't reject a device for having "too much" memory.

Interesting, thanks for the info. I suspect you're right about the app not implementing the API. Pandora is kind of a poorly written app (it's running on top of Adobe AIR after all). And in games, it's probably not really doable. But having more RAM I wouldn't need to wait for app developers to fix it (if ever) and things would run more smoothly in general.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afextwin:
This caught my eye because it is something that I've noticed.

Poorly coded, yet somehow popular, apps tend to push hardware sales and sometimes even development and time to market.

It's not a new trend, and their's not much consumer's can do about it either.

But we here at XDA...we have the power to develop alternatives, or at the very least learn a minimal amount and volunteer for bughunting and betatesting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
Double the RAM is quite the increase, but you're right, unless you use one under your normal conditions you won't know. I just know that I have little to no issues with my 1gb phone with my habits, so 2gb will be MORE than enough for me. No, of course we wouldn't reject a device for having too much memory. But, there's zero phones out there with more than 2GB of RAM right now. If I was looking for a phone I sure as hell wouldn't be waiting for a device just because it has 3gb of ram.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] grindguy444:
well put!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DonDizzurp:
the only "non flagship" part of it is the display resolution, the rest of the phone all seems like 2013.. supposedly using a 10mp "clear pixel" camera.. which is a technology that hasnt been introduced to smartphones yet (afaik)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
1.7ghz dual core sounds like 2013 specs to you? Lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
Its made in the USA right? Dual core chip keeps costs down.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
That is so irrelevant. No high end Android phone has come with a dual core since the 3rd Qtr of 2012. The specs listed for the Moto X are mid range. Definitely NOT a high end device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
That was my point. High end (cost) labor means this will be a midrange device. I agree with you.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Oh, my mistake. I don't know why, but that just read extremely pro-america. Like in a "forget what's the best value, I'm buying this just cause its made in America" kind of way.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
The 2gb of memory on my N10 is a big improvement over the Galaxy Nexus, but on occasion it still runs out of memory when running Chrome especially. I expect a phone with 2gb would work even better than my tablet because the smaller screen would mean less of the memory is locked up for video memory, and also because the N10 is cursed with a major memory leak in its video driver which it seems Google will never fix.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
That's a shame. The N10 really caught my eye.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zachpozniak:
This phone is still going strong with android 4.3!

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bucknut614:
Gnex on Last Leg....

Sad but true...my Gnex is on its last leg...the 4.3 seems to be running well but just like other ROMS's I have used it will become laggy in the next few days. So how long until the next one drops? The moto x looks good but I am pretty sure I want to stay with the nexus line of phones..been burned by moto before (bionic). My contract with verizon is done in september and i am looking to try out a different company that fully supports nexus phones. Thoughts on time frame of new nexus and what carriers should i be looking at?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
What do you guys think the likely hood is of the Nexus 5 being priced the same or about the same as the Nexus 4? I'm debating buying a N4 as a toy/occasional DD because its so stinking cheap.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
It's pry going to be priced similarly. Rumor has it that LG is making the next round of nexus phones again, and they should be able to keep costs down like they did this past year by using low cost materials like glass, using minimal internal storage, and mediocre camera/screen components.

It will still be a great device. Here's to hoping it does not have a glass back, however I'm sure anything is possible.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TacticalDesire:
I'd wager the price of the Nexus 5 will be around $349
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
They really need to sell a 32 gig version this time around. 8 gigs is such a joke.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
This.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
They will probably bump up the price a few bucks. They should have 2 options; 16GB and 32GB. I'd be fine if the 16GB option was $350, and the 32GB option was $375-$400.

Also, give the Nexus true USB OTG support. Don't give us the hack that was on the N4.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
I wouldn't doubt it considering the reasonable price bump the N7 2 received. But that price still beats most anything else for the specs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] trssho91:
I much prefer nexus devices, I'm in love with my new nexus 7 2. My gnex can still hold its own, but I had the chance to get a Qualcomm s3 for the same price as the n4 and had to go with the s3. I'm just not a fan of the n4, between storage capacity, inferior radio reception, low call volume, and lack of LTE I just couldn't get into it. Its a shame because its a beautiful and snappy device. I don't think I'll get another lg nexus, and with the "Google edition" phones popping up from different carriers I couldn't be more excited about my options next upgrade time.

I did put cm10.1 on my s3 and edited several config files to add the on screen nav bar/on screen buttons and disable the capacitive buttons and their vibe/lights... It run like a nexus and I'm happy with it. I get alot of comments on it from other s3 owners, lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b4u2:
I need something with a better radio. Where I sit all day I only get 1x. I would hope a better radio would fix this problem?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jgqb16:
Moto phones have given me great reception. Never once had an issue with signal drops with OG Droid or Droid Bionic. Have suffered tons of drops over the past 2 years with my GN. Looking for a phone with excellent radios and great battery life. Hopefully the Moto X is that, if not, I guess I'll hold on to my GN for a little longer. At least it's a nexus and I can flash whatever the heck I want to on it. #crackflasher
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsgraphicart:
Moto X will be announced today. I'm kinda looking forward to seeing what its all about.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Seraz007:
+1

after all the leaks and rumours omg its driving me crazy :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
I was hoping for more from the moto x.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tylerdurdin:
The hype did the X in.... All the blogs that said this would be nothing more than another midrange Moto, at what premium phones are selling for, were read right over in favor of the articles that said it was going to be everything, it is not. This is exactly what I expected from Moto. They will be joining HTC before long in the, "hurry up and make something unbelievable before we go bankrupt" category. Wait it out.... In two years Moto will be the new Nokia, and Oppo will be the new Moto.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b4u2:
So where could I find out which phones have the best data reception. My nexus has issues and if I'm going to get another/different phone I'd like to find comparisons.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sharks8:
Interested too. The GN is so penible for this.

I'm considering getting the HTC One but I'm not sure about the battery life comparing to the GN though...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Well I've gone full circle. I think I may end up buying a Moto X with the new AT&T Next deal. I was raving about the Note 3, but I think I would actually prefer the simplicity and functionality of the X as opposed to the shmorgasboard of slightly gimmicky TW features. I will hang on to my Note 2 though. Love this thing :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
I probably wouldn't replace a galaxy nexus with the motox.

The specs just aren't there to warrant a replacement with a midrange device.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
That's the outlook I had at first. You have to change your perspective a little. All your typical flagship android phones are spec whores. The Moto X was designed with the goal of simply being a great user experience. Its hardware was tailored to match the needs of its software, very similar to how Apple makes the iPhone for iOS. The iPhone is no spec monster in the slightest, but its such a popular device because of the user experience that Apple has created with it. I think that's the goal Motorola had with the X.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rbrenart:
Seconded, spec wars are getting old and costing us battery life. The 4.3 update for my Galaxy Nexus has shown that as well as anything.

I'm not going to weigh in until I play with one in store, but the low power specialized cores could really be a big move forward. Especially if, in typical Motorola fashion, they got the radios and the camera right.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 1454:
I would agree with this if they charged a reasonable price for the phone. 200 on contract and 600 for less specs is not acceptable. If it were 100 on and 400 off then you would have and extremely valid point.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rbrenart:
That is still the spec war mentality though. More MHz and more pixels mean more dollars. My point is there are other (and maybe better) ways to add value than chasing those numbers. You say 200 for less specs is not acceptable, but you're really saying 200 for less MHz and pixels is not acceptable. Supposedly they've increased responsiveness, voice recognition ability, battery life, quick access to camera, and added screen off hands free control. If that's all true (and that's a big if at this point in the game), isn't that worth something?

I don't know if Moto has achieved it, but the articles imply they're trying. Now I'm hoping it's their engineering department's success and not their marketing department.

To put it another way:

Hammer - $5

Bigger Hammer - $10

Sledge Hammer - $15

Nail Gun - $20

But the nail gun is smaller, they can't charge more!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 1454:
I get what you're saying but let's look at the bom(bill of materials) and future upgradability. (assuming that is even a word)

Bom

Hammer $1

Big hammer $3

Sledge hammer $8

Nail gun $15

You're still getting more in the nail gun than the hammers. Where moto, imo, is trying to sale a big hammer at nail gun prices. I own the s4 and with a few tweaks(like a launcher) it's really a great experience. I can't see moto topping it with a lack of expandable memory and a smaller battery. Jmo, but I can't. I'm not saying the phone has to have killer specs to be great, just don't charge for high end specs if you aren't going to give them. (Ie, my opinion of apple.) I hope I make sense. I'm not blasting the phone, just motos pricing scheme for what they are delivering here. Honestly, it may be a great phone, but with 200 dollar bom you can justify a 600 dollar price tag. I can't anyway.

Oh, and I'm not saying that you have to have a 4k mah battery and expandable memory to have a great phone, I just feel the x is lacking for its price. I have the gnex, and I would have bought this phone if it had a 400 or less price tag.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slatsmckracker:
Yeah I thought it would be a bit beefier too
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Brace yourselves, the spec king is coming. Galaxy Note 3, September 4th.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dattack:
I am going to wait to see if the HTC Max compares, I have a feeling I am going to get one or the other.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
LG G2 is an interesting device. Anyone else think it looks exactly like a GS4 minus the hardware buttons from the front?

Edit: Never mind. I looked at a side by side of the two and the G2 has a much better use of real estate for the screen and has a wider form factor.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
I'm intrigued by the Moto X. It's just a bit larger than the Nexus S, at 1/4" taller, and 1/8" wider. I know it's not the benchmark king (which overall means nothing), but it's practically stock android, and if the experience on the device is excellent (no/minimal lag, smooth transitions, etc), this could be my next device. If they come out with a google edition device, it's a no-brainer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
It is stock android except for carrier apps, the camera and the hands free Google Now. I think that if they did release a Google Edition of this phone it would feel much more like a mid range device, being that the software Motorola has included to delegate tasks between the three processors would more than likely be left out. Its that delegation of tasks between the processors that makes this phone feel just as fast as the high end spec devices like the HTC One and GS4.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
True but software isn't everything. The hardware in newer devices, especially newer krait socs, is much better at conserving energy and is much more power efficient.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] A1R80RN3:
I'm really excited for the new Droid Razr Maxx for Verizon, and being on verizon is the only reason I don't have the Nexus 4. The maxx comes with some new cool software stuff that I'm likely to play around with for a bit, but the thing that I'm looking forward to most is the undeniably amazing battery life. My Gnex drains 2 out of my 3 batteries daily (the batteries aren't even depleted on the charge they hold!), but to be fair I use it A LOT! It'll be nice to have a phone that can hold a 24+ hour charge.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Pengwn:
It still looks like a GS4 knockoff.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] recDNA:
If you use a phone like I do you will never get 24 hours from a maxx. I never have.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iucidium:
17 hours with over 6 hours screen on - you'll be fine. Charge when you sleep.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
I think it even has an s cover

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chex313:
I had to use a spare GS2 while I had my GN apart to fix the USB on it...You don't appreciate JB until you have been without it for a week. :crying:

Got the GN up and fixed yesterday. Then today went to work on updating the GS2 to JB(SuperNexus ROM) just in case I need to use it again.

Now I can wait patiently for the N5... tho an unlocked Optimus G@$361 looks enticing....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] snowboarda42:
4.3 Fixed the memory leak on the N10. Not a problem anymore :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmb993:
Very cool, I'm glad to hear it.