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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
How much you wanna wager on that?

Google would be a fool to cause that fragementation.

We are sitting here halfway through July and:

Virtually no phones run Jellybean.

90% of Android devices do not run ICS.

It took the market 7 months to get 10% for ICS.

It will take at least that long for JB and you really think another version will drop before year's end? Its bad enough that JB dropped so soon.

Developers just got into making their apps work with ICS and now JB is breaking apps as well. Fragmentation is bad for development.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
not to sound like I only care about myself but I don't care about the 90%. I got a nexus for a reason so if a next version of Android is coming out I know I'll get it :D.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
As mentioned before, you will care when apps don't work on it. Unless you just want the apps the device comes with.

I get you don't care about the 90%, but developers do, because it is their bread and butter. Apps don't build themselves.

Something to chew on.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
I see your point. Most if not apps work anyways its not like the current apps will stop working on it, and aren't the nexus devices the bases (in most cases)?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Apps are breaking left and right in JB. Not all of them, sure. It happens every OS release; some apps break and need to be updated. However, updating can break compatibility with older versions of Android too. So it becomes an issue.

The thing about Nexus devices being a base, is that this doesn't mean Android versions should be released every few months. Due to the open source nature and lack of restrictions that Google gives, allows for OEMs to use whatever version they like. Too many choices is a bad thing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] IvanTurbinca:
Do you know that from official sources or just your intuition ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
Sometimes with older version but it rarely happens :p. But you do have valid points. As I said earlier I dont really care about fragmentation. It dosent affect me, when and if it does then I'll care.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Fragmentation won't bother me until the GNex becomes forgotten about and since dual core is such a step above single core aka, N1 to GNex, I can't see this phone being obsolete for 2 years at a minimum, especially when most apps only need a single core to run correctly and we're pushing quad core now.

Really hoping the next generation of phones focuses on battery life, software improvements, and better power consumption rather than "OMG MY PHONEZ HAZ 8 CPU CORES PLUS 34 GPU COREZ AND DON'T FORGET THE 16 COMPANION CORES FOR MY FACEBOOKZ"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DustyFarts:
I would like to buy a Nexus for the T mobile 30 bucks account..but I still have 2 more months on sprint. :(

I've played with the nexus and like the feel and function of the Device..But I think i'll wait till November to buy Sammy's next iteration of the Nexus..

Now I think that will be the sheznick :).

We all know it will be based on the SG.III but you know it will be HOT!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
All new high-end phones are releasing on ICS and soon JB (like the Note 2, rumored) so that 10% 4.x will rise very quickly in the next two months.

With the release of Google's own tablet, and the 5 Nexus phones (or thereabouts) from various manufacturers before the end of the year, Google will care less and less about fragmentation, because:

1) more phones (and possibly tablets) will be Nexus phones, giving consumers more options rather than the single Nexus up to now;

2) Google will want to maintain some differentiation from the rest of the android pack as the "state of the art" choice

Lots of media pundits were predicting JB "5.0" which I thought was laughable - as if they had forgotten 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3.

However I think there is a good chance the next iteration will be 5.0 to make it a "big deal" to steal some of Apple's iOS 6 thunder, and to not wait a lot of time after iOS 6 becomes available.

Since Google tends to release updates every six months or so, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in early December, if not late November.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DustyFarts:
Well if the next Nexus is due on or about November, Google will have a Big update to go with the release..(my 3 cents)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
Correct, they won't release new phone(s) without a fairly significant update.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DustyFarts:
Of Course..Ice Cream Sand hit with the last Nexus so....Really going to hold my cash for this..I was so temped to get the Sammy G3, really close, I'm going to wait..nuff said
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sean-El:
It will just be a new phone release , I highly doubt a new os will be released.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] foosion:
The next big release is always just around the corner. If you waited to buy phones (or computers or software, etc.) until there were no rumors of big improvements, you'd never buy anything.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
They've never released a new phone without an updated OS.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
But they have released an updated OS without a new phone. Whats to stop a new phone without updated OS now?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
Sure theoretically they could do that. But I seriously doubt they will. Most certainly they will release with a new software upgrade.

However I don't think they are going to make major ui changes going forward. I think they've got android to a good place and will just work on stability stuff behind the scenes. And new services like Google now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I just cannot fathom that they would contribute to fragmentation like that.

A new Nexus will come out when we start seeing JB hit non-Nexus devices and store shelves. It is madness to bring out a new OS update.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
Completely different circumstances which can't be compared.

New OSs happen all the time. They can be fairly substantial, e.g. 2.2 > 2.3 or incrementally e.g. 4.0.3 to 4.0.4 but a new device is a big deal - once a year in phones, every six months if you have phones + tablets, as will likely be the case now with Google Nexus 7 added to the lineup. To maximize the impact each new device will have a new version of the OS. You MAY be correct and the next Nexus will launch with JB, but the odds are way large against it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
How are the circumstances different and cannot be compared?

You said that Google has not released new phones without upgraded OSes.

Well, they haven't done the opposite either, until now. So obviously, nothing is written in stone.

How can that not be compared?

ICS was mentioned at I/O last year, but you know what? It didn't actually come out until the Galaxy Nexus did.

Jellybean was announced at I/O this year. However Google didn't wait for a phone, did they. Clearly they are changing how they do things this year, and I would not expect surprise buttse..erm a surprise additional OS upgrade this year to get things "back on track".

I don't think a lot of people in this thread understand how bad fragmentation is for an app ecosystem.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
A new nexus device ALWAYS comes out when the prior version starts hitting store shelves. The Nexus S was launched with 2.3 when my Galaxy S was still on 2.1.

Do you think Google should wait until the manufacturers "catch up?" Apple would love that. It should be up to the manufacturers to work out a solution. HTC seems to be on the right track in restraining their overlays somewhat to cut down on development time. I wouldn't be surprised if the One series gets JB in September, which would be a reasonable time frame.

As I said earlier practically every new phone released from now on will have 4.0, and soon 4.1. There is less of a difference between 4.1 and 4.0 as there was between 4.0 and 2.3. This means 4.0 phones won't be as behind as 2.3 was. It also means that it will be easier for manufacturers to update 4.0 phones to 4.1.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedfreak228:
i love the development on the nexus, but the battery is killing me. it just plain sux. worst i have ever had. my next device will be the 1st phablet verizon gets, idc if its the galaxy note or the rumored htc device
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KennyG123:
AHEM! Problem guys?

Please speak to each other with respect.

Remember you cannot hear inflection in written words so don't assume someone is being argumentative.

Thank you for your cooperation

Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
This is just a question that I have been curious about for a while. How many here would be tempted to, our are planning to defect to either a win 7 phone or win 8 phone when it's released? Personally, a tablet maybe, but I wouldn't want a phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Without the app ecosystem?

Zero chance for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KennyG123:
So hardware wise it looks like the GS3 will be a tiny bit bigger and slightly thinner. Other than that with a dual core also is there that much difference between it and the G-nex? I know software-wise the GS3 will have a TW imbedded ICS.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madcow706:
I am interested in moving from the Galaxy Nexus and trying other phones, either Windows Phone, iPhone, or other Android phones. This phone has some serious radio issues and sound quality issues. I feel Samsung used this as a beta test for the SGS3. Looking at the posts on XDA some people overlook the very obvious flaws just because they will have the next version of the Android OS (and some just really dislike the competition, be it iPhone or Windows Phone). That's all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic, the Galaxy Nexus is not the best phone on the market, not the 2nd best, or even 3rd best. It seems like the Nexus line is like a mid ranger with a sprinkling of high end features. If this phone was rock solid with what it has, I would be happier, but as is, its slightly disappointing. I would like some of the software bugs worked out, and try to resolve some of the radio/call quality issues (or at least relieve some of the pain) through a software fix (if possible). Who cares if Jelly Bean comes out for the Galaxy Nexus if it doesn't improve the functionality of the phone?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jgalan14:
What carrier do you have ? I haven't had any radio issues and sure we're not all closed minded I own a 4s for a good while (I had an evo 3d) and got tired of android I guess but then I got tired of my iphone. I had windows phone 7 and is really neat UI but man app supports sucks and the lumina Nokia phone seems like the best but only att has it??? Otherwise I would give the phone a try that only thing I have to complaint about this phone is the camera not being as good as the 4S and the speaker other then that I'm keeping this fun the 4s is my backup phone and I might unlock it and use it on my work line
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KennyG123:
Thread stuck.

Please direct any new phone discussions to this thread.

Thanks

FNM
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DeFeAtkO:
:)

SGS3 is a lil bit better in hw, but it costs too much

you can buy galaxy nexus for very good price, so in theese days i think nexus is best price/quality

mb s3 has better cpu and gpu, but now i cant exploit in norm apps
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] citrix80:
is galaxy S III international version or US version penta band? any upcoming phones are penta band?

I know huawei ascend quad is penta band, but screen is only 4.5", i wish it could be litter bit bigger.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] norazi:
if they just upgraded the current gnex with an RGB AMOLED ("Plus"), A15 Dual Core (Snapdragon Krait or equivalent Exynos), and a Backlit CMOS Camera (similar to the one on the SGSII) ... i think i would be completely satisfied

- dont care for a super high end camera

- dont care for full 1080p at 400+ ppi

- dont care for tegra3 (quad core)

- dont care for microSD slot (never needed more than 4gb)

- dont care for exotic unibody build (i always use a case and prefer lighter plastic)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
I say quad-core A15 like snapdragon which will be available at the end of the year with the adreno 320 gpu.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Step666:
Don't mean to be pedantic but do you have any links to back up the statement that Krait is an A15-derived architecture?

Because every time I've looked into it, I've been unable to find any sort of straight answer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wishmaster89:
Here you go :)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture

That should be enough for a confirmation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Step666:
It would be, if it actually said Krait was A15 :rolleyes:

In fact, all that does is suggest the opposite - it mentions that ARM have introduced a 15-stage integer pipeline in the A15 architecture whereas Krait's is 11-stage.

It also says:

Though it's unclear from that whether Qualcomm modify ARM reference designs or create their own from the ground up.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wishmaster89:
That is precisely why Krait is not strictly A15 CPU, but qualcomm went the same way when designing it as did ARM. That is why it is called A15 class, cause its not quite there yet.

But qcom was able to deliver it year before others, and next year when they'll start using 28nm HKMG they'll up the clocks from 1,5Ghz to 2,5Ghz giving it additional power boost to better compete with A15. Although in the end it'll probably be slower but could win in power efficiency(one of the reasons ARM is suggesting to use companion cores with A15, to lower the power consumption).

In the end you could call it A15 lite.

As they did previously with Scorpion, they took the instruction set and based on it they developed their own architecture with similar performance to A8 but with 128bit FPU(VeNum) instead of 64bit, and with dual core support like in A9. It also had partial OoOE.

Even now, they're probably working on ARMv8(64bit) based core of their own design - successor to Krait. It seems that they like to develop their own in-house CPU's.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Step666:
A year before others - except Samsung.

The Exynos 5 Dual (aka 5250) started sampling back in January and is due to start mass production any time now.

Ok, it's 'just' 32nm as opposed to Krait's 28nm but Samsung are already using the HKMG process, not to mention they have complete control of the manufacturing process themselves whilst Qualcomm are getting messed around by TSMC and their problematic yields.

Can we though?

This is what I've been trying to get to the bottom of - is it 'A15 Light', is it 'A9 Plus' or is it just too different to try and be compared directly to ARM's reference designs and we have to try and gauge matters by way of benchmarks, which are far from a perfect means of doing so.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bumluffa:
Although it seems like we are on the edge of cutting edge mobile CPU/GPU technology in the coming year, I was under the impression that hardware is moving much faster than software or apps will be able to make use of it.

That said, do you guys think the CPU/GPU on the Galaxy Nexus would be able to cope more than well enough for all of the highest demanding apps/games available on the market today/for a year to come?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wishmaster89:
I remember reading one of the tweets from Eldar Murtazin. He said that we should expect Exynos 5 somewhere next year along with successor to the galaxy SIII, the same was said about other A15 based SoC's. If this is true then qualcomm really surpassed all others by full year.

That's true, and we still don't know which one is better right now 32nm HKMG or 28nm LP. Thorough tests should be made to answer this question, at least in regard to msm8960 and exynos 4212.

It is different from A15 and really shouldn't be compared to A15, but it is too much different from A9 to be called A9 plus. That is why press should be using 'A15-class' term(just like Asus in their Transformer Infinity press release) cause its truly closer to A15 than to A9.

FWIW, it could turn out that A15 is really much faster and overall better than Krait, but it won't change the fact that it'll come year later.

It depends. Problem with android is that most applications and games are written to be supported and run by most devices on the market, and that means single core devices like original Galaxy S. With that in mind your Galaxy Nexus is more than enough for those kind of applications.

But, if the developers start writing applications and games that use full power available today on high end platforms(tegra3, msm8960, exynos 4214) then your nexus even now could be considered too slow for those applications.

As you see, it all depends how will the market grow. And will we see more great applications using platforms full potential, or will we see more games like angry birds that run on almost every device available.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Well, I will end this discussion here, because you aren't looking at the bigger picture and this has turned into a circular conversation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
Good god. There is a difference between ANNOUNCED and RELEASED. The Nexus 7 was released with a NEW OS. The Galaxy Nexus was released with a NEW OS. The Nexus S was released with a NEW OS.

See the pattern?

To release new hardware on an "old" OS would not differentiate Google from HTC or Samsung, each of which have their own custom overlays to stand out (such as they are). Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, and even the Nexus S were "show stoppers" with new software to complete the package. To do otherwise (especially since the precedent has been set) would appear to be half baked, given the history.

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Could say the same about you, but fine. We'll both shut up. If I'm wrong and the next Nexus device is released on JB I'll email you $5.

Accept my Wager?:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
So is the argument that the next nexus phone will release later this year running jelly bean 4.1.1 with not a single code change between now and then? I'm confused why we'd think that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
This is the last I will say on it, but fragmentation is already a serious issue with Android, and it just got a hell of a lot worse with Jellybean. You may have to think like a developer to understand, but fragmentation is a very bad thing. To release two OS upgrades within less than 5 months of each other would be a bad thing. I love these upgrades, but there is a bigger picture to look at here. Ever wondered why the Apple app ecosystem is so much better than Android? Virtually no fragmentation, because they update devices present and past around the same time. Android cannot do that, because Google does not have that kind of control. Compatibility between devices old and new is at a maximum for Apple. Not so much with Google when app developers have to contend with Android 2.3.x being BY FAR the most used Android version, with 11% ICS, and virtually no users of JB. Each version breaks things. JB will be lucky to see 11% by years end. Do you really think companies that just updated ICS phones are going to just burn the midnight oil to bring in JB?

tl;dr:

The more versions of Android brought out in quick succession, the harder it is on developers, who might just decide to say screw it and head to more lucrative (and profitable) waters. And that has happened, make a quick Google search to see.

I know it is hard to see from a user standpoint, but then I am not looking at it from that view either.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Arthur Hucksake:
I get the fragmentation argument, but I feel this one needed to happen. If anything I feel they should have skipped ICS and gone right ahead with Jellybean and their project butter.

It's taken years of Android OS updates for it to finally feel like "this is what it should have been.".

I'm hoping they stick with this one and just have small incremental updates, even if it does go against their dessert naming formula.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DustyFarts:
I agree...You know they will promote the next upgrade or enhancement with the new Hardware..kandy Kane!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
I don't feel bad for the OEMs personally because if it wasn't for them having to spend so much time trying to be different, release times would be cut in half.

Also the carriers have a huge part in it.

As for anyone who complains about long update times, has a HTC, normal Samsung, Motorola, etc. phone and has been apart of the Android ecosystem for a year or more, you should know better by now, the updates are never timely unless either, one, you have a Nexus device, or two, you have a dedicated flagship.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Anubis007:
Of course the next Nexus will have a new OS, that's what their selling. That being said, I don't expect the upcoming nexus to amaze me hardware wise and it would be a fair deal to me. A non pentile 720 screen with an s4 chipset will crown the next Nexus this year's best smartphone, and I think this is the least we should be expecting. Even the S3 with it's quad cannot compete, although due to the S series better marketing it will outsell the Nexus. Stock android has matured so much that I really think I feel more comfortable having mediocre hardware with the best software support.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DustyFarts:
Well it "should" be based on the GS3..with some upgrades of course..so it should be great from a hardware point also..don't you agree?? :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChrisAG:
Has it been announced that Samsung will be the only manufacturer? There is supposed to be several this time around.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
That's only a rumor regardless, and the rumor said 5 Nexus "devices" would be released this year.

Nexus 7

Nexus Q

So even if that rumor comes true, only 3 left and if I had to bet, it's a Nexus for every carrier except Verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] peachpuff:
...........
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kindiboy:
No, my n1 has its plastic dislocated scratches bents...you name it... not a single scratch on the screen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kitecarl:
In January I hummed and hawed over which phone to get - without loads of money to spend I opted to get a Galaxy S II. After running Cyanogenmod (and the AOSP-Like Oxygen) on my previous phone (a Desire HD) Sense barely saw the light of day.. Needless to say I had similar impatience on my GSII - I wiped Touchwiz off right away, started off with the early nightlies of CM9 and haven't looked back.

So here we are in mid July and my pure Android jealousy continues! Considering my SII is in decent shape I can swap it at Computer Exchange for a Galaxy Nexus and will only be 70 quid in the hole. The money's literally burning a hole in my pocket after seeing the various new Jellybean features and Google Now. I know it would be smart to wait for the rumoured new Nexus phones coming later in the year, but truth be told I won't be able to shell out the cash needed for a brand new phone that will probably run well north of £500.

I DO know however - from here on out - NEXUS ALL THE WAY.