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[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
why are you guys cribbing about 4K video? we dont even have devices in consumer mass market which will play that content..

3GB will be useless cause the minute there is more RAM available there will be more bloated software OR resource heavy OS... see what has happened with the Snapdragon S2 devices (MSM8255), they had 512MB RAM... now we have 2GB RAM but still there is lower RAM available...

what outdated hardware? you are getting the best possible hardware to date!

wireless charging is again not yet mass market...

also a general statement: if the hardware/chipset supports it the software can be updated to bring that feature!

it will be available by 17th or 18th of Sept in India... its going to be VERY costly though from what i hear... you can blame the exchange rate for that (25% depreciation in under 2 months)...

Note 3 is a phablet...

the 5.7'' screen will consumer MUCH more power!

Exynos chips are not know to be the most energy efficient so u will actually see lower battery performance...

oh come on 2gms more weight is a difference for you?

seeing that the headphones are now exposed on the Z Ultra and Z1 (i expect it to be) then very soon we may have other ports being exposed too...

i sort of disagree on the bezel.. when i use the Z, i sometimes end up pressing the screen edges by my palms, especially during single handed operations... so little bezel will help avoid those unwanted touches...

other things should be there though... but i guess they wanted to focus on more battery life... Xenon flash will surely zap battery...

i think Sony will use the "small apps" framework to create their own multi-window system... if u see the newest firmwares u can easily make any widget into a small app... i am sure sony is thinking of expanding this to support any app...

precisely!

good point ;)
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Once again DooMLoRD knocking sense into users here :cowboy:
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
Omg for all people complaining about depth and size. It's a 1/2.3inch sensor, it's big like compact camera sensors. And camera takes up almost whole top bezel. They had to cram inside even bionz processor. And camera with lens is basically from front to end of Z1.

So, either you would have thicker device around 11mm with smaller bezels, smaller device with worse camera or large bump on the back like lumias.

It would be impossible to put this camera in thinner device with smaller bezels.

Z1 is the bomb!
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It feels smaller, and smoother because it's more rounded at the edges. And by being a bit wider and longer, it gives the appearance of being thinner.

If I didn't have the Xperia Z for a bit, I reckon I'd be convinced the Z1 as being the same!

I really liked it, but there's one thing for XZ owners; because it looks and feels the same, you won't get that 'buzz' with a new phone. Probably like getting an iPhone 4S when you had a 4...
[Xperia Z General] Fluxman:
Ok, thanks for the info! Looks like I will have to get it when it comes to Canada lol
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
You can always get a Z Ultra too, then whenever you might think it's big just put it next to it. :)

I expect I'll get one too (as with most people here), but for most people with an Xperia Z it's really not worth an upgrade unless you can do so cheaply.
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
Yes i saw that too

The improvements are partially because of the new & efficient processor. Test have revealed that s800 is as efficient as s600 with the difference in performance (CPU & GPU)
[Xperia Z General] Fluxman:
I'm still kicking around with a Nexus 4, but I did a review of the Xperia Z for our Android Site. The Nexus 4 was kinda a compromise device for me just bc of the cheap price tag. Don't get me wrong, it was an awesome buy, but I gave up some stuff for the cheap price. The Z1 seems to fill all the holes nicely, especially since I use almost all Sony Services (including Music Unlimited, which I got for $12/year lol).

www.sonymobile.com said something about accessing playstation store on it. Did you find that at all on the devices? Or were they just referring to PSM?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Yes, it has the same store as on the Xperia Z and other devices + the Dual Shock 3 controller support.

The Nexus 4 is still an awesome device and represents amazing value for money; even more so since the price cut (assuming it isn't now sold out). The Nexus 4 (2013) is quite likely going to be more or less than same as the LG G2 I believe.
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
[MENTION=2784807]DooMLoRD[/MENTION]

We the tech savvy crowd see the difference between the phablet & the flagship category but something tells me that an average customer does not see that difference.

When phablets were introduced 2 years ago,

the screen size difference between them was 1 inch and now it seems to have blurred ( 5 vs 5.7)

Tablets of 7 inch did not exist

For a common man when he walks into the mobile shop / asks for a latest mobile suggestion, both the models pop up and prices are comparable. This is my thought of it and although weird but true.

I think India is one of those growing markets were phablets are growing more than anything else - thanks to big screen contributions from companies like micromax
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Note 3 is a phablet because of the screen size or because of is size? Because it isn't that much bigger than the Z1!

And if you speak of screen size from what size it's considered a phablet? If you think Note 3 is 0.5" bigger than the LG G2 and the G2 is 0.5" bigger than the HTC One.

Is the G2 a phablet compared to the One? I don't think that 5-6" category is phablet category anymore! Not in today standard! 6-7" is todays phablet category and the Z Ultra and the HTC One Max are examples of that.

For the cpu don't know why you spoke about the Exynos when the most common and worldwide selling version will be the S800 version and the one that is being referenced here (the one with 4K video).

About the 4K video, I don't think is the most important feature but you have to admit it is a plus! And is somewhat a shame that Sony with that big sensor and the same capable cpu did not had the trouble to make it happen in the software side. Once more, and unfortunately, one step behind.

But speaking of the camera the Note 3 has 1080P @ 60fps and 720P @ 120fps (slow motion) and those two option you can't ignore like the 4K.

The weight it was only for making a point because the Note 3 is bigger and pack more stuff with a bigger battery and it can weight less than the Z1. I'm not saying that it bothers, because it don't. Like I said it was only to make a point.

As far as the screen goes, like I said before, we don't know how much a Triluminos display consumes compared to a Super AMOLED. So we have to wait and see battery tests to se which gonna last longer.
[Xperia Z General] mitsosoft:
So i assume that you have already pre-ordered one!!! ;) :D
[Xperia Z General] m3lover1:
Is it me or is the purple on the Z1 more vibrant than the one on the Z?
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
Did you test out headphone loudness
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Handtec UK has Z1 for release on 16th Sep. Already preordered mine :fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
sadly thats true...

phablet = probably which focuses on stylus for input?

the line of demarcation are indeed thin between a phone & a phablet

actually the top tier Note 3 will be with their native Exynos chip... the Qualcomm chips are used to support LTE bands...

again if the chipset supports the technology and if there is no hardware limitation (like if the circuitry is not in place) the OEM can upgrade the software anytime to support the technology... one point regarding the 4K tech is that if you noticed, most devices (other Sony) displayed at IFA had support for 4K tech... so i have a hunch that 4K support may come for this device... else there is always the modding community to tinker with this ;)

unfortunately its not officially announced in India so no pre-orders :(

not sure if i will pre-order it in India... the ppl who had pre-ordered the Z in India got it almost 1 week later than the retail channel!!!

though i have good contact with some dealers who will be keeping a unit for me when it hits retail stores ;)

from what i a hear the price could be very high in India (INR 50k+)

since i have a white Z i will probably get a black Z1 so that i dont confuse between the two devices... or may be a purple one ;)
[Xperia Z General] mitsosoft:
No worries since it's getting closer and closer patience is a virtue! :D

Go for the black then! ;)
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
Saw this on GSMARENA:

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z1_camera_samples_fresh_from_the_ifa_booth-news-6732.php

Wtf? 20mp but only 8MP 16:9? Even Z/ZL can do that?

I hope it's a mistake or pre-release FW ..
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
No. Didn't think to, even though I had my XZ 'phones in my bag!

The EU has a restriction on volume so I'd expect at maximum volume it would be identical to the Z and other Xperia models.
[Xperia Z General] Why So Serious?:
Don't focus on the numbers... an 8MP 16:9 image on the Z1 will be a lot better than on the Z.

The actual sensor is in 4:3 format, so the processing involved in converting to a 16:9 above 8MP (large file sizes) would detract from the experience and is probably why Sony haven't included it.

If you were THAT bothered by photography, firstly you'd probably want to use a dedicated camera, but secondly if you had to use the Z1 you could easily crop a 20MP 4:3 ratio image yourself to make it 16:9.
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
Ok no worries
[Xperia Z General] japjit100:
unfortunately its not officially announced in India so no pre-orders :(

not sure if i will pre-order it in India... the ppl who had pre-ordered the Z in India got it almost 1 week later than the retail channel!!!

though i have good contact with some dealers who will be keeping a unit for me when it hits retail stores ;)

from what i a hear the price could be very high in India (INR 50k+)

since i have a white Z i will probably get a black Z1 so that i dont confuse between the two devices... or may be a purple one ;)[/QUOTE]

Us price is 750usd = 47000 rs

I think z1 price India will be 45000rs

If price go's to 50000rs then I go for note 3
[Xperia Z General] Smartphoner:
I really like the Z1, the camera, speaker grill position and shape, and the battery size are all essential improvements but I was sad that it didn't include an IR blaster! Why did they change the menu layout color to white, black was better! Also having a flap over the earphone port was more securing I guess!

Overall Z1 is better, but I dunno if it's worth to replace the beloved Z with it or not!!
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
in my opinion it doesnt make sense for the existing Xperia Z users to migrate to Xperia Z1 unless u absolutely love the Z1/hate the Z/want latest technology/migrating from older generation devices/etc...

the Xperia Z is a powerhouse! it would still easily be in the top devices till H2 flagship of 2014 (one year from now)!
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I totally agree. But I'll probably still upgrade if the right opportunity arises - and that isn't preordering and paying a huge premium!
[Xperia Z General] wednesday13:
Damn no xenon flash
[Xperia Z General] anuradhakelum:
Xperia Z1

Xperia Z1

watch this

http://tinyurl.com/kl7rw76

[YOUTUBE]Sony Xperia Z1 | Power And Smartness | Review[/YOUTUBE]
[Xperia Z General] :
if the xperia z is huge with case so the z1 will be like a tablet
[Xperia Z General] Ricochet23:
does the z1 come with a bigger notification led than the z has? to me its crucial to whether i'm gonna buy it or not.

is it at the middle top of the phone by any chance? like on that leaked mini picture
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Yes, at the very top. Very narrow and more discrete. Certainly not as 'in your face' as the Z.
[Xperia Z General] Ricochet23:
what do you mean by more discrete? i found the Z LED really tiny, that's why i want a bigger one ;) is the LED on z1 where the top speaker is on the Z?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
The Z LED is small, but it's bright enough. I've never failed to see it.

On the Z1, it's right at the very top - above the earpiece and almost on the edge of the phone. As it's narrow, I wonder if you'd potentially miss it if the phone was down on a desk. Perhaps the new 'viewing angles' issue will be for the LED, not the screen!

I only saw the light on briefly, so don't know if it could be brighter, but I think they've designed it to be more subtle.
[Xperia Z General] soulrebel1:
That's my biggest issue. Love the Phone but at that size and weight i will not feel comfortable carrying it in my pocket.

Any news on the Mini. Does it really exist?
[Xperia Z General] DrKrFfXx:
On an interview with a spanish blog, Kuni Suzuki, Sony Mobile division CEO, confirmed there won't be a Sony Nexus device, although he declared relationship with Google is "healthy".

Source

So you folks wishing for a Sony nexus device are out of luck.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Just noticed I got a photo that shows the LED, and I think you can see from that it's not that big!
[Xperia Z General] nielneal:
Xperia z screen is looking better than Xperia Z1 in that picture
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It's probably just the white balance. The Z1 is warmer than the Z. I know I've got the Z set with saturation at 0.0 and Hue at 0.0 though.
[Xperia Z General] Ricochet23:
Thanks a lot for the picture. I think I'll order it. It's much bigger than the Z led. Seems just wider and more noticeable to me.
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
Andres Iniesta just tweeted about Z1 while training for the soccer game (Finland vs Spain for next world cup) tonight
[Xperia Z General] keith777:
I called the local Sony store here in Las Vegas - they know NOTHING about a U.S. release date or even if there is one. Pitiful. If Sony can release a ZL unlocked for full price (with U.S. LTE frequencies) then they should release the Z1 full price. I'd buy it first day it was out. I'm sure it has something to do with total idiots making decisions at AT&T and Verizon but wanting good Sony phones in the U.S. might be something I'm giving up on.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
AT&T is not getting the Z1. No word on T-Mobile yet. They were looking at it through. Should be available end of Sep beginning of Oct along with the ZU. At least that was the last info I had gotten.

Sent from my Xperia Tablet Z
[Xperia Z General] Supish:
Any idea if it will be available unlocked for the US? Or is the Z1 going to work with US LTE frequencies if I buy a UK version?
[Xperia Z General] expertzero1:
I just preordered from Negri electronics for it. From a video a Sony rep said that they are still working with carriers to bring it. A unlocked version will probably be sold within the next few months lol.

Can't wait till I get it!
[Xperia Z General] samven582:
will it come with ATT LTE?
[Xperia Z General] greatremix:
According to verge, it should be available on October.

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Yes, the white paper of C6906 indicate it support both 1700&700
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
should've preordered from handhec uk. :)

It's coming 4 days earlier and they do cheap overnight shipping. last time I preordered my Z with them I was 100% happy.
[Xperia Z General] giper54:
Do you have a link from e Verge about an October release?
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
I'm currently on holiday in Vegas :D I had a quick look in the Sony centre in Caesar's but no sign. I'll be putting in my preorder as soon as I'm home.
[Xperia Z General] keithl777:
The Negri Electronics one doesn't have 700mhz LTE though, you in the states? I'd almost give up LTE to get a phone I really want but I've tested the difference and I get 1-4mbps down on hspa+ and around 20mbps down in LTE, that's a pretty significant jump. What kind of speeds do people get on plans like straight talk I wonder..
[Xperia Z General] giper54:
Crap you were correct about AT&T not getting the Z. Do you know if Rogers in Canada will be getting the Z1? I hope this changes because I believe I remember most sites reporting a release in the US this September. Do you think there will be a Nov release for AT&T like the Sony in 2012?
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
the Z1 has a few plus points over the Z... The 20mp Camera(maybe...) with 3x clear zoom, better speakers ( maybe even when wet), headphone jack. IMHO the important part is SoC and Battery! 3000mAh and if the S800 really is that power efficient... that would be great! i manage to get about 5-6h on lowest brightness and about 3-4h on highest brightness with my XZ... Z1 could improve that by 1-3h !

If there is any way to upgrad my XZ for 100-200$ to a Z1 i would do it! but guess i can't sell my XZ for 500$ :(
[Xperia Z General] greatremix:
Sony's Xperia Z1 aims to be the biggest and best Android cameraphone yet http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/4/4682518/sonys-xperia-z1-specs-features-release-date
[Xperia Z General] Purehazard:
What's the difference between the C6903 and C6943? The LTE bands look the same.

LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 - C6903

LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 - C6943
[Xperia Z General] MafiaManV:
c6943, probably for Japanese market aka docomo?
[Xperia Z General] RuffaloBone:
I ordered my Black Xperia Z1 yesterday from unlocked-mobiles. Ships September 16th. I live in The States. :D
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
I need to know if the camera is really that good and not a shot like my S and the Z

Although I think I'll wait till next flagship this one is jut to big and no xenon flash

How did LG do? The g2 has a 5.4 inch screen I guess un a 138 tall phone
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
I have no info about releases out of the US. AT&T is not picking up any Sony phone until at least next spring. The Z1 should be available unlocked in the States from Sony BUT I don't know if it will have AT&T LTE....that will probably depend on it T-Mobile picks it up. Could be a similar situation like the Z was. Hopefully find out more soon.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] expertzero1:
I think its the same model. I'm on T-Mobile so the speeds with or without lte is amazing

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Overnight to US? How much was your order?
[Xperia Z General] RuffaloBone:
It will work on AT&T LTE 1700/2100 MHz

Edit: That is if they let you use it on their LTE in the first place of course.
[Xperia Z General] keithl777:
I think the coverage on att on 1700mhz is very limited though it's mostly 700mhz I either need to blow off LTE or switch to tmobile since att is so stupid to not get this phone
[Xperia Z General] expertzero1:
OK I just ordered from handtec lol. Surprisingly int shipping is fast. 1-2 days to the US. Should be here by the 18-19!
[Xperia Z General] RuffaloBone:
True. I ordered mine already from overseas but I am considering the jump to T-Mobile when it arrives. I hear mixed things about their coverage but only good things about their speed when you have coverage. I also already talked to them about the phone and they said there should be no problems. It's my first unlocked phone.

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Same with unlocked-mobiles. I got the 2-3 days shipping via UPS. They say they start shipping the 16th. :good:
[Xperia Z General] expertzero1:
I'm on T-Mobile, was on ATT earlier this year. I live in so cal so the coverage here is great. If you live in a unpopulated area, T-Mobile will suck. But there is a 30 dollar plan you can try out. There's a thread on the HTC one general discussion on how to get that plan. Try it out, its only 30 bucks but its worth it.
[Xperia Z General] RuffaloBone:
Thanks for the tip. I live in a heavy populated city. I'm not much of a country type of guy. I'll check that out. I pay way too much on AT&T right now.
[Xperia Z General] expertzero1:
Yep. 100 minutes, unlimited texts, 5gb of Hugh speed data/unlimited.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
does anybody know if the Z1 has the fast charge feature of the snapdragon 800 chipset?

it's supposed to charge the battery quicker.
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
Qualcomm expects that devices and chargers with Quick Charge 2.0 support will be made available for purchase by early 2014. The company says that it's currently working with AC/DC chipset suppliers and power supply partners to build Quick Charge 2.0 tech into their products so that Quick Charge 2.0 is built into standard micro-USB wall chargers that will be widely available.

Here you go
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
can't wait! it takes forever to charge my Z even with 2.1amp charger support.
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
I have a 2 amp charger and it's take around 1,5-2 hours to full charge depends how much it's down
[Xperia Z General] cgomezparra:
Anybody knows if the sony xperia z1 has support for 700mhz lte band or there are different models? Because here in Mexico the Xperia Z never come to Telcel only the Zl variant, thanks
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
6906 do 1700 and 700

You can read it few post back
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
Doesn't matter if you have a 2A, 4A or 10A charger, it's the phone that decides how much it wants to drain!

btw, the faster you charge, the faster your battery goes to waste! And because we have a built in battery you can be sure that after 2 yeats your battery life will be horrible. But hei.. who uses his phone for more than 2 years....
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
I have a non-smart phone with 750 battery. takes at least 2.5 hours to charge it to full from 20%. I think your are already on the fast side.
[Xperia Z General] Why So Serious?:
Seeing all these posts about the Z1 in the US and the coverage over there makes me realise how lucky I am in the UK on Three. If you have a phone capable of it you can already get upto 21mbps (my colleague has an iPhone 5 that hits 20 mbps) down on the network before 4G has even rolled out.

I got an email from Three yesterday saying that they won't be charging extra for 4G either, and that their plans will still come with unlimited data. I'm struggling to see how the other UK networks are going to retain customers when Three is offering so much for so little!! Only downside is that Three have force locked the bootloaders of Xperias in the past... Might have to buy the Z1 direct from Sony and pick up a cheaper Sim-only plan unless they've changed things.
[Xperia Z General] kayway27:
quick noob question, i've been googling regarding band frequencies and all that, but i just want to make sure. will this sony z1 c6903 (i think thats the right model number coming to the u.s., right?) have full network compatibility with t-mobile?

tmobile seems to use bands 1700, 1900, 2100 for lte,4g,3g,2g,etc, and am i correct in assuming c6903 has these bands as well? so if i preordered it, i can immediately set it up and have lte (it's in my area) and hspa, 3g,etc?

thanks for all your help! :D
[Xperia Z General] expertzero1:
Yeah it Iooks like its fully compatible. It doesn't have ATT 700 lte band
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Almost 27Mbps is my record on Three. Their network supports speeds of up to 43.2Mbps, so even before 4G it's quite amazing.

As you said, I don't see how anyone would want to be on another 4G network in the UK once they've all launched. I'd buying the Z1, I'd say get it on Three and enjoy fast 3G today and 4G from the end of the year or early 2014.
[Xperia Z General] greatremix:
Well, the white paper of C6906 and C6806 had posted on the develop world, so I guess that the model that will be sold in States will support at&t LTE as the documents indicated.
[Xperia Z General] Rho'd Berth:
Will the Z1 have 120fps video recording?

that's more important to me then 4K video recording.