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[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
Just saw a mysterious device (hided by a blanket :D) on Sony Mobile Facebook site, i hope we will see the released date of the Hayabusa International version soon :p
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
The real question is, does Sony have any? I know, it is very tempting to think, that current devices are just the "old ones" and then Sony will blow our minds with something totally different and special.

I am afraid it is not going to happen. Does sony have any other product with relevant cool features they could integrate? I can't think of any.

I you look at the current smartphones, all of them are more or less similar under the skin. This is that technology commodization feared and loathed by every manufacturer.

You basically define your smartphone as soon as you pick one of several existing chipsets. Can Sony produce its unique chipset with CPU/GPU/Radio? No chance. So they will stick with Qualcomm/ST/nVidia.

What remains is the choice of battery size, camera module, display module type and model, outer shell materials and design. And of course that special software.

We already have camera modules designed and manufactured by sony. Do we have any other "true" Sony devices with better cameras? Actually they could improve them by reducing megapixels, putting better optics and enhancing low light performance.

Super thin and powerful Sony batteries? I don't know, but could be a possibility. Or they could buy the same stuff motorola uses for their razr.

Display? Curent panels are already the best and one in XperiaP is really unique. I just hope they won't jump on that OLED train, let's leave those unnatural colors, low brigthness and pentiles for all the samsungs of this world.

Outer shell? I think starting with Xperia S we already see unique Sony shells with special coating and cool design. XS was the first, done in a hurry and one can really see it. XP is already much better and I thing we will see something along the same line.

I just hope they will resist the tempation to go their unique japanese way. Like those stupid interface flaps, anorexic battery and bizarre UI "enhancments".

What they really could do is to offer a proper dock connector and set of useful accessories (like docks and so on). Currently there are no such devices on the market except iphone.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
A lot of people on here are focussing solely on the chipsets, while Sony might be better off looking at what Samsung is doing now - mostly with software being pushed in its marketing.

A lot of the new Galaxy S III features are gimmicky and some are pointless, but it sets them apart from the competition and these are things you can advertise to consumers (besides saying how quick it is and having to hide the fact that their current mobile might already be fast enough).

I just got a Sony BRAVIA Smart TV, and obviously the Xperia S works very well with it - DLNA letting me easily view a photo/video from Gallery on the TV and the Remote Control that lets me control the TV (including a virtual mouse pointer) from my phone.

I expect these are the sorts of thing that Sony will develop, as well as using the Walkman and Cyber-shot brand names. And maybe doing something more with Playstation. At E3 they're announcing a tie-up with HTC for Playstation Mobile, but there's the rumour that Sony might buy OnLive.

I think Sony can do a lot more to bring all of its devices together, and do it better than it has in the past (next Smart TVs using Google TV, not its own proprietary software, for example) and I doubt many people even know that Sony makes Android Walkman devices without mobile connectivity. I know they do them, but have never seen one in the flesh.

For one thing, Sony Mobile and the divisions making the tablets and media devices will be made to collaborate together better.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Thanks for the info. Is the new date before Communicasia?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Its HAYABUSA..
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
A very risky and expensive strategy. It is quite difficult to come up with something better than google and not to overstep the line where it starts being silly.

To me, the GS3 is already firmly in the silly territory. And even worse: things don't seem to be polished as they should. Like recently german financial times made fun out of GS3 due to the poor german "S Voice" translation. People take such things seriously, you won't exactly build a decent reputation by building products with grammatical mistakes.

Anyway, Sony already was on this "unique software" trip just to admit it failed. HTC also does not seem to be very sucessful with their Sense UI. Which is unique, but seems to develop some fatigue. Nowadays everybody and his uncle has custom skin, but in my opinion nobody managed to make something better than original vanilla. This is why I don't buy HTC anymore (One X with S4 would be a dream hardware) won't buy Samsung as long as I have a choice.

Add that whole "upgrade" problematic (piles of money out of Sony pocket to port that software and no direct profits) which admittedly is not very serious outside of nerd circles.

Agree. This is what I ment with accessories. Sony has a lot of other products, so why do not integrate? I just hope they keep those apps as independent from OS as possible.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
@karun: don't know jet, I hope to get my invite any moment, then i'll post the date :), no livestream or something so anyone who's there attending can post live updates i hopee, i'm from holland and not very rich, else i would go there :)
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
how much does it cost to get you there?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I agree it's risky but what else can manufacturers do? And Samsung and HTC are each likely to sell a lot of phones (more so Samsung).

I have a GS3 until tomorrow. I am happy with my Xperia S but must say the Samsung is excellent. A lot of the software is gimmicky but it probably won't hurt sales.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
@supercool dunno, ticket for the event is free,,airplain and overnight stay may be expensive. Im not going, im just getting the invite
[Xperia Z General] floepie:
Of course habay-USA is international. ;)
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I doubt it is because of their skins and online services. It is just more of the same, software gimmicks unfortunately are very easy to commoditize, even easier as hardware.

Actually it did already happen, nowadays you won't find any smartphone without custom skin. Some are better, some worse, but this is not something customers can find out just by browsing in the shop. And "heavier" features like S-Voice will come from google.

What really matters are the relations with carriers and retail and of course - marketing. And samsung seems to handle it really well. While Sony is somehow absent.

I agree, if you can live with touchwiz and like amoled.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Qualcomm cracks the LTE code

The chip that can support 7 LTE frequencies in total is with the MSM8960 design and will be done with the 28nm process, of course, ensuring lower power consumption. Qualcomm said these radios will be shipping to customers in July, and phones with them are likely to appear by year-end.

Hopefully this will be in the Hayabusa/MINT. I want it to work with AT&T LTE.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
@unknown13x

Why are you silent, Sony is going to announce something new, u must b aware of :D

Please let us know!!!

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[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Glad that you can share the dates. If possible do try and find out what is in store for us :D

@unknown13x

Taking a break? :P
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
without makefile or build script?;)
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Sony will announce New Devices at CommunicAsia Singapore between 17th to 19th June..
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
Rubenos and you are spreading contradicting rumors ...
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
first, take over all US LTE market?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Its no rumour Sony will announce some devices, not sure which one..
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
expectation is CommunicAsia vs. not CommunicAsia...

therefore, date is also different...
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
They are not listed for Communicasia. So its at some other venue. The date is different too.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
I don't see them in CommunicAsia Exhibitor list, so I doubt it's going to be in CommunicAsia.

Rubenos still hasn't share the date/location or more info about the announcement, so can't say if he's 100% accurate either.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Sorry, i still havent received my invite, Ill post a screenshot of twitter message from harold from Sony later for you non believers;)
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Registration is not yet closed, n by the way which update u r checking (I mean if which date,may?)

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[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
For the last time, currently I'm talking to the marketing & pr manager of the Netherlands and he told me a while ago when I asked him if he's going to be at the event in person that they are not going to be at CommunicAsia and that they found there own place. They are still making the new invites I guess because I haven't received mine. I'm only sharing what he allowed me to share:

It's dutch, so google translate away
[Xperia Z General] kekkle:
A quick translation for the lazy folks:

"Will you be on the convention later?"

"No, the convention doesn't mean much actually. There won't be almost any big brands. Neither will we. I will be visiting a location tomorrow for our own little press event. I can't disclose much about this yet."
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It's quite possible Sony will seek to upstage the event by announcing something on or after the event itself, even if they're not actually there. At MWC, they announce their products the day before the show opens - and the announcement is at a venue away from the event itself.

Sure, Sony is also at MWC, but it wouldn't have to be. Nokia sat out one year but had new things announced just around the corner (and with superfast Wi-Fi, so I spent a lot of the time in there writing up stories!)
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
@ Rubenos thanks for sharing! :)

@ Kekkle dank je wel voor de translatie :D
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
@Rubenos

We believe you. Hope you get to know about the dates soon :D
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
He send me this one hour ago:

Translation: I'm sending you the invite very soon
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
@ Rubenos I assume that you know which devices Sony will present at this event. Are you allowed to say if the Hayabusa is one of them?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Sorry :)
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Sony has 7 more handsets to come according to the chinese forum. If you include Acro and Go, it leaves 5. At this event, Hayabusa is almost a certainty, with ST26, ST23 most likely. And another device. So that makes 4.

That leaves the Mint for sometime later.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
if hayabusa doesn't have LTE, then it probably don't have MSM8960
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
u13x says it won't have LTE and according to UAProf it will use MSM8960

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MSM8960

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[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Sorry for the MIA, been busy this entire week with work. :cool: and no, I'm not that skilled to the point where I can compile a firmware :D I can barely flash custom roms onto my device :p

There's more than 5 left. 6-7 still sounds about right excluding Acro S and Go.

Just got new sets of images for Hayabusa and Mint, and I clearly can say Mint is no where good looking as Hayabusa. Because of how its battery is not removable, Sony decides to go some route I don't like. Mint is also thicker, and IMO, it looks like a fatter Arc S. Looks like someone fat trying to hold it in. No way in hell would I get the Mint over Hayabusa for just LTE. No way.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Do you have any idea why the LT29i has an MSM8960 SoC according to the UA profile that was found? The MSM8960 has an LTE radio, the MSM8260A is the LTE-less version of it. I'm just not sure if they just copied the GX' UA profile (since it is basically the same) or if the Hayabusa just won't be the LT29i.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Sony Xperia team are teasing something "exciting" for next week.

"We’ve wrapped up something fun, social and exciting in a nice surprise for you next week. RT if you like surprises!"

https://twitter.com/sonyxperia/status/210777190558744577
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
So we'll see exactly the same processor on Mint then, as the Hayabusa? I don't see how they will justify the higher price with only cosmetic changes.

@All

Sony Mobile on Facebook:

" We’ve wrapped up something fun, social and exciting in a nice surprise for you next week."

So? Announcement time next week?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Yrpp, just before communicAsia :D
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
They only things I wanna now is, cause I don't know them. Is the mint going to be released this year, is the phone smaller then the L29i, and is it on Sony's own press conference?
[Xperia Z General] piercewei:
I heard that the launch of hayabusa would delay to sep. while mint would have an early launch along with Hayabusa. Is that true?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
So he's saying SEVEN phones? I kinda doubt that, that's a lot of phones

GRR still no invite, and I'm to freaking excited, I WANT MINT OR HAYABUSA!!!
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Olive, Tapioca, Tapioca DS, Hayabusa, Atlas, AFFM, Mint

These are 7 phones which weren't officially announced yet, but listed on the roadmap. And if the rumors about a Xperia Nexus are true, then it could be more than 7 phones :D

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Thinking that Sony is going to hold the presentation before CommunicAsia starts the date of the event could be 15. or 16. June.

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I'm assuming that these sets of images were press images, so the design is final.

Could it be than that Sony showcases both devices (Haybusa and Mint) at the same time next week with an availability of LT29i July/August and Mint August/September?
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
3 of those never heard of. Might not exist, or even worth remembering(Tapioca) :p What I counted were something else that hasn't been known anywhere.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Is there anything better than Hayabusa/Mint?
[Xperia Z General] zacomaco:
Sony Nexus?
[Xperia Z General] TwoPointZero:
These are worrying signs that Sony might winds up like HTC, leading to

- way too much fragmentation (lessened support for devices, e.g. delayed ROM upgrades)

- designs becoming too commonplace

OTOH their commitment to open bootloaders is commendable. Let's hope they remain sensible with their UI/overlay. Camera button is a plus. etc. etc.

Does Mint feature a card extension slot BTW?
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
What I heard is even though they have many devices, many share the exact same hardware. That is to say for example, acro S and XS. Newer lower end ones might have the same hardware as the other (P, Sola, etc.). This is to have it easier to cross between the handsets, while keeping the numbers up. What they want to differentiate is the design, not hardware.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
do you know if nexus is pollinating with xperia?:D
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
I'm sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but its going to be 20th of june! More details later on
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
are they avoiding big wave from S3 this week?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
How many things they will avoid, now SGS3 later iProne 5

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[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
What 20th june?

Announcemnt!!?

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[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
There own press event is the 20th of june, 10:30 am
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
We know that Hayabusa exists, so the date of announcement is imo not that important, more important is the date of availability! :D

@ Rubenos thanks for sharing. BTW: 10:30 am CET or SGT ?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
I know but I can't wait any longer, I think it's SGT, didn't say on the invite so it should be local time there.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
That's the same day that Microsoft is announcing Windows Phone 8 to the world (at an event in the US, with a webcast for the rest of the world)!

Now, either Sony hasn't realised and will end fighting to have its announcements noticed when the tech sites will be going mad about Microsoft, or they are announcing the first Windows Phone from Sony, with things like a dual-core processor, HD screen and all the other things WP8 will allow.

If Sony makes a Nexus device, I wonder if it will be announced along with others all at the same time - most likely Google's IO conference?
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
This is what i just saw on Sony Mobile FB page :rolleyes:

what do we expect here? :D i doubt this will be the International Hayabusa cuz the date is different from what we heard recently:eek:

Any idea?? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
a FB game?;)
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
I bet its going to be the lower end hand phones

but im still crossing my fingers for the Hayabusa to release sooner :D
[Xperia Z General] MoreYummy:
It is most likely after July.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
For those interested in the 2013 Xperia line up. This is from esato forum:
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
hmm, guess i have to buy lumberjackhands to handle sony´s new line-up
[Xperia Z General] nielneal:
Highlights

* 4.6" 720p OLED APQ 8064 CPU quad core (Japan model) waterproof

* 5 inch 1080p OLED APQ8064 CPU quad core codenamed Odin (seems this will have variants)

* Another 6 inch 1080p OLED APQ8064 model

* 10.1 inch Full HD 1080p OLED Sony Tablet.

So sony is gonna use the same cpu that HTC and LG are using this year Q4.

And all the high end devices are HUGE. Non removable battery on all except the 4.6 " model.

___________

My god is this real...?????or m i jus in a dream....1080p resolution...???????this is going to be somethng wud b srsly rocking...this will b the big come back ...osm sony we belive you alwyz....
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
I question some of those rumours. A 5" 1080p device would have a ppi of 440, and from what little we've heard about the panels coming from AUO, they're trying to just push past 300ppi.

Unless these are coming from JDI, I don't see this happening, but hope it does
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
I'll give up on all of those at their screen size except the jap one
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
An update on that "fun, social and exciting" event next week

https://twitter.com/sonyxperia/status/211095000824553472

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Sadly it seems like that 5" displays are going to be the standard for 2013 high-end devices.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
The announcement from Sony on Monday is not going to be Hayabusa for international markets, the hint of "something fun" points to a small pocketable device, probably the Tippo. I have no doubt that Hayabusa is coming to international markets but it won't be announced on Monday. The 20th at the other rumoured event sounds more like it.

People who think it is going to be Hayabusa on Monday are just setting themselves up for disappointment when Sony inevitably don't announce Hayabusa and release some low end device like Tippo.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I share your feelings.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Its not rumored... Im waiting for confirmation to post the invite here
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
We are expecting Hayabusa to be announced at 20th June :D

Monday could be something software related or a presentation of an entry level phone.
[Xperia Z General] chesterr:
Aren't these two for Japanese users??I thought that these two for Japan,

that's why I gave up on getting this and it's kinda ugly lol..
[Xperia Z General] Razje:
Nice specs but I don't like the design that much
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
These two devices are just Japanese variants of the ion and the P.

I doubt that either of these devices will out with radically different hardware.

If you ask me to bet, I'll say they'll launch with almost if not the same internals as the the ion and the p.

The curved design of the Arc was a big hit in Japan so it makes sense Sony releasing phones over there with the same curvature.
[Xperia Z General] BrazenRain:
Wrong. The Xperia SX has a 1.5GHz processor as opposed to the 1GHz NovaThor in the Xperia P. That should be a huge signal as to where this is going. Sony knows it has to stay up to date with the mainstream phones but perhaps they aren't quite thinking it through.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Guys..lets just wait for some official words from SONY on xperia GX.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Not true. The internals will be different.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
If it was coming with the s4, they would have said so. The fact that they merely said 1.5Ghz preprocessor is a deliberate attempt to focus attention on the clock speed and not the finer details.

I'll bet anything that you'll see the same s3 processor on these devices.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Challenge accepted! We shall see in the next couple of weeks. ;)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
The Xperia S isn't slow. In fact, for the normal UI operations it's as fast as the S3 and One X. As in it's pretty much instantaneous - and that's before the hardware acceleration of ICS!

Yes, some games will have lower frame rates and you won't have the extra visual effects of Tegra3 - but I am not bothered about that (personally, some will care) and love the look of the phone, the high-density display, the dedicated camera button and the camera.

I've still got my arc. Despite the lack of RAM, it's still a great phone and isn't slow either. In fact, the slowing down is only due to the RAM and apps closing/restarting. If SE continued to use that processor but added 1GB of RAM, it would do just fine with a lot of users.

In fact, take a look at the likes of ZTE and Huawei (I've got an Ascend G300 here and it's £100 on prepay, with a 4-inch WVGA display, 1GHz single-core processor and 5MP autofocus camera - and it's fantastic for the money; a fifth of the price of the Galaxy S3 and a third of the Xperia S)

S4 is faster, for sure. The One S shows this, but Sony only 'needs' to battle it out at the high-end for the people who really do think that more GHz and more pixels is the be all and end all. Fortunately, more people are starting to realise a good battery is perhaps more important than anything else - at last.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
YES!!!! me too!!!!

can u please confirm if the Hayabusa will have the same ARC like curve design?

THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

Samsung uses DIFFERENT INTERNAL HARDWARE (chipsets) while KEEPING THE SAME BRANDING

while Sony uses SAME INTERNAL HARDWARE (chipset) while targetting the devices at different market segments/price points....

likewise! absolutely love the ARC design!

no they are not...

FYI for those who dont know...

Xperia S equivant for Japaneese market was released as:

http://www.sonymobile.co.jp/product/docomo/so-02d/

Xperia ION equivant for Japaneese market was released as:

http://www.sonymobile.co.jp/product/docomo/so-03d/

both these devices were released in early JAN-FEB 2012 followed by the International launch in 1-2 months...

given that time line since GX & SX are released right now in Japan we should see International versions of these devices in June-July 2012, which very well co-incides with the "lauch schedule" leaked at the start of the year :)

i am VERY MUCH INTERESTED and AM PLANNING to buy the Xperia GX/hayabusa/whatever is the name for that device (International)...
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
Will you still develop for the Xperia S if you get the GX? Maybe I should send my Xperia S back and wait if all the development is just going to switch over.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
If DooMLorD is waiting for Hayabusa then I will also wait n buy Hayabusa only :)

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[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
It will look exactly like the GX, except the sides that will be chromed.