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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
just maybe this is why DG didnt write in forums or maybe some other good reasons, maybe previous experience with a less good reputation.

who knows, but silence does make people more confident in their believes.

and a crowd shouting makes it even worse. :o
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
Guys - The past accusations are that Drew claimed credit for other people's work. What you guys are implying is something different: that he took money from us and has no intention of delivering a ROM. It is one thing not to give credit for using open source code and it is another thing to steal money.

I have emailed Drew as someone who donated money to him ($200 in my case). Hopefully he will respond and address these charges. Frankly, the only thing he can really do to vindicate himself is to release a working AOSP ROM. By definition, that cannot be stolen from anyone because it does not exist. Plus, it would put to bed the allegation that he stole money. The port that Drew talks about is probably based on Dexter's Shooter ROM, just like all the other ports are and releasing something like that would only add fuel to the fire, IMO.

I think the longer that this goes on without Drew addressing these issues, the more likely it is that the allegations are unfortunately true.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aviatorboy:
Dexter

Dexter_nlb although my signature suggests otherwise, you are currently the best hope for the Flyer Community. As for DG, tonight's the night...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] teorouge:
Absolute quote, sorry for thread pollution. Hope it's

not

gonna happen again, and again.... :cool:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aviatorboy:
so true, its a pity that you can't get your money back...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
Let's see what happens. These are only Allegations and they may be wrong. What happens then?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
we all say we are sorry, many will donate, we move forward. Listen, it sucks if there is a bunch of untrue things about you on the internet. In Drew's case every device he has roms for has accusations. Maybe, just maybe, it happened once and the rep followed him unjustly. I do not think he can blame people for asking at this point, and as I said earlier there is one way to stop the criticism.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
Yup. Release a working AOSP ROM.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] :
I agree completely. I think some interim builds that show some form of progress will put to rest any accusations. No one expects DG to go from the unusable beta to a perfect AOSP ROM in one fell swoop. I followed LorD ClockaN's IceColdSandwich ROM on the Desire HD and there were many beta and test versions but it was easy to see the progress from the early days to the beast of a ROM it is now. I don't see the need to hold out on all the interim versions if they have some bugs along the way.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] glgehman:
What is Rule #1???

In my opinion, you guys are way out of line. What is the FIRST RULE over at CyanogenMOD? NEVER ask for an ETA. Period.

The task you have set for your hired gun is: Create a working ROM with all hardware features enabled from AOSP source. That can be a 6 month job for a TEAM. Sometimes it never happens. Just look at the comparable projects on any number of devices out there.

This thread started with a May 7 build. It's less than 3 weeks later and you're demanding your dev put up or shut up. If he's like 85% of all XDA developers, he's a talented hacker with a history of success unpacking and repacking other people's Zips and writing some glue code to make something work most of the time in most ways with a few bugs they still can't kill. All due respect, Dexter, but that's basically you, right? That's a really good thing! It gets praise and respect; as it should.

The number of people who can make a working kernel is vastly smaller. And, unfortunately, for our device, we need an ICS kernel to start with. I still think our best chance for satisfactory ICS will be when LeeDroid is done working on the new HTC phones and brings his accumulated knowledge back to this antiquated device - if he ever does that. (But in the meantime, let's not start BUGGING him to do so).

I don't know the first thing about Drew, but one thing he has said is that he has a life and responsibilities outside of making ROMs for XDA. So. You've given him a toy and you've given him some money as an incentive. But he DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU. I've seen it happen here time after time: Some XDA drama happens and the devs leave. Shooter just lost all its best kernel developers thanks to some **** that happened over there.

Those of you who made an investment: I guess you have a right to demand Drew explain himself. But don't be surprised if he just leaves without a word. Those of you who just stand around on the sidelines waiting, keep your opinions civil, if not completely to yourselves.

And that's my opinion.

glg

HTC WiFi Flyer on LeeDroid HC 4.3.0 <-- and quite happy with it!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
What if the Dev says that he is uploading ROMs to his server for release and it never happens? Take that and add the prior negative accusations that have been uncovered. What are you to think then?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] :
I couldn't agree more. The insinuations and accusations being made here, in public, is just way wrong. This should have been disucussed privately until you can provide hard evidence. Then take appropriate action and deal with it from there.

In fact I don't understand how these posts are allowed to stay on the board by the mods.

If I were Drew, and was actually getting closer to a working ICS, and stoped by to read all this I would just rm -rf the build directory and never look back.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
I gave you hard evidence?..

Aside from that, let's sum up: he copied my work, changed a few lines, released it, and claims it as his own, compiled from source...

Next up, he uses my kernel, which I'm fine with, but why does he throw mud at me by saying my ROM nearly bricked his Flyer, while a few days later, he uploads my ROM to his server, saying it's his own.

If he has done something, he can show us by uploading what he has already got. Because that's what development is all about as well.

If people disagree with this, they are probably praying every night that one day, magically a ZIP of a completely working ROM will appear on their desktop, and are amazingly desperate for this that they want to believe DG is still working on it.

Just my two cents.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
no one is asking about ETA. there was a beta build released on the 7th which the accusation has been made that it was largely Kanged. You then take a look at the history of this dev and the pattern develops. No one was calling him out for anything prior to a sequence of comments implying there was an upcoming build. Once that got rolling some who may of had doubts about DG started to voice their concerns and it took a life of its own.

His first status update on his progress on 4/26 said he nearly bricked his device, when it turned out the cache just crashed in the flashing process and all he had to do was erase it in fastboot. Personally I posted immediately after reading this that it was discouraging. Others sent me PMs at the time where we all were raising our eyebrows

On the 7th he released a beta and labled it pretty functional except a few glitches. No disrespect to Chaosz-x but the few glitches amount to a graphical error that makes it totally unusable.

He says he has a port that only has 4g data uploaded. Everything works except camera and pen. That is funny there is a shooter port already out that matches that description to a T. When the Dev who is running that thread brought it up DG dismissed it, but low and behold the port that was uploaded has not been released.

this is not about ETA
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jutley:
I say the council must act now and we must make a decision today we will gather in the xda circle in the far moon of galtron to bring the accused to justice if anyone should object say he she now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E88HEuwInno
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
In the first post in this thread does it not say "Kernel is from Chaosz-X's Git?"

That may not be a complete representation of what was borrowed but people get sloppy sometimes. And, there were at least two improvements: the touchscreen worked and the cache issue was resolved.

One odd thing that suggests (to me) that Drew may be manlord is that manlord somehow knows to give you credit but you are not mentioned at all in the release notes on Drew's own site. So how does manlord know where the kernel came from if Drew does not say it? Weird.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
I just wish I knew wtf is going on!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aviatorboy:
out of order

c0rnholio, antis, glgehman...

you obviously have no idea about the meaning of being conned, we have all the right in the world to show our utmost dissaproval towards DG for the way of handling this "upcoming upgrade" and we're enforcing that right, we are NOT asking in any way an ETA. on top of this, DG's past history as a DEV is troublesome to say the least, something which does not help him in building a clean AOSP Flyer.

as for claiming we are out of order...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--IcPqrLDBA&feature=player_detailpage#t=293s
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
no one is asking for an eta, had he not said anything about uploading no one would think any different. I say just upload it we know the risks.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Chaosz-X:
It states that the kernel is from my Git in the OP of this thread, not on his site. Aside from that, the touchscreen was also working in my ZIP. The difference was, I had to do it manually when the ZIP got released. Then, NickiBerli posted here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1569060

In post 4, that it takes a new line in init.rc to make it work OOB. I tried it myself, it worked indeed, but I didn't re-release the ramdisk as it wouldn't make a difference to non-developers anyway. About the cache issue: it was a single command in update-script to format /cache, I removed it, and it was fixed in my ZIP as well, I just didn't upload another 150MB zip just for that small change as it seemed people weren't interested in it at that stage anyway.

And, the first post in that thread, it is also stated by me that my 90flyerhacks doesn't do the job. Why would he recompile a build (which he didn't), and add in a hack, of which I stated that it isn't working anyway?

And the credits for the kernel: they are given in the OP here, not on his site, where the downloads are.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
first rule of a scam: DONT GET CAUGHT!

If a guy writes "uploading", i would certainly start asking, wtf is going on?

and then followed up by when its finished, so its justified in this case.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
I have traded a few emails with Drew.

I do not believe that he and manlord are the same person.

I do not believe that this is a scam, meaning that I don't think he went into this with the intention of taking people's money.

I do believe that he is having the same kinds of problems that Chaosz-x has had and for that reason, I don't know whether we will ever see a useable rom from him.

He points to the first "beta" release as evidence that he is making progress. I find this claim questionable in light of the fact that most of it is Chaosz-x's work.

He claims that he won't release the port that he has because it is "crap." If it is crap, I don't know why he said he would release it (uploading it in fact) or why he said everything on it worked other than the camera and the pen.

At one point, he offered to give me my money back. I took him up on that but he ignored it like it never happened.

So, I don't think we'll be getting ICS from this guy. Lesson learned.

My guess, only a guess, is that the guy undertook a project that is too big for him, and he felt pressure to deliver so he overpromised saying "soon" all the time and otherwise making stuff up showing that he was making progress. I think he thought he would figure it out. Good intentions gone wrong.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] drewgaren:
Actually your all wrong.

Choas yes I'm using your kernel its on github. I just changed a few things. Man lord is managing the thread here at xda because to be honest I hate forums. On my site there should be a credit to you.

Uploads - did you really think I forgot about them? No they are just ****ty that its not really worth putting the links up but since you all want them when I get home today I'll post links.

I'm on my phone now.

The Question Of The Day: Is this a Scam?

No. I never meant to con anyone and still plan on getting AOSP 4.0.4 for the Flyer 3G/Wifi. Because the device is designed for Honeycomb and under with HTC Sense it make AOSP

4.0 harder to get ready especially without a proper kernel. There is little problems left in my AOSP build including Bluetooth and graphics. The Graphics are believed to be a problem that can be fixed by alternative hardware rendering values that are still unknown. Bluetooth will be addressed with kernel updates.

I honestly work almost every night try to fine new solutions and I have multiple files. Simply put for AOSP its going to take time and patience and if you all want to go a back stab me go a head. All the money I did collect paid for the device and not even one month of internet.

I am no getting paid for this. I am doing it because I enjoy it. I wish some people would realize that I have a life outside of development and things do take time. There is no eta for reasons so don't expect one. I am hard at work.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
Terrific, if we could refrain from release this weekend, everything working, uploading files, etc I think we will all accept that there is no eta. Periodic updates when tangible progress is made, I am sure would be appreciated. I am not sure what your goal was with over stating your progress over and over again. Best wishes, good luck
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Dexter_nlb:
i have had internet since day one on xda, i only got paid in a similar way for the ports and builds possible, some time back. i can fully follow you on a paid device and continued reasonable effort . but you continue to make it all about money, including one month of internet ? what is that about?

you initiated all this with

please keep the donations coming, im out of job

. So? that sounds to me a little like you need to be paid for this, since you argue this at many posts.

i would leave the arguments for donations to users and not the developers in own posts, but thats just me, i am never begging for anything :eek:

anyways,

people track you on forums and that does not make it better, if you seem to have a bad reputation to deal with as well.

But good luck to you going forward, hope to see next build some day.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MoiZie:
I for one am happy I'm gonna see some download links tonight :D I don't care about the previous comments regarding scams etc. (Never donated anyway ;) )

(though I will start thinking of this as a scam if I don't see a new rom version by tonight :rolleyes: )[/putting the pressure on-joking]
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TekkenLaw:
Been following this thread daily & was shocked by the sudden controversies here..hope everyone chills out a bit, have some faith in DG & hope he can deliver good in whatever time it takes..no offense..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] quails:
This is not in our interest - chill

Lets cut him some slack, if for no other reason than self interest, just think :

Assuming he's hard at work on this - Then this thread isn't going to speed him up any, quite likely the reverse.

Assuming its at least partly scam - Well too late, doesn't help to gripe !

Overall - on balance of probabilities our interests are best served by a chill pill and promising further donations when a working build appears. Anyone else with me ?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
All true. Either he will do this or he will not/can not.

I think the moral (for me) is that although I want ICS and want to support the devs, it is foolish to make a donation before anything is produced. I think that this is a big reason why there is an issue here.

If he succeeds and a ROM results, he deserves any donation he gets. Until then, hold on to you donations.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Snow_fox:
So then, where are the roms that were being uploaded?

Forgive me for being overly critical here.. but, you go from

"well, I have roms being uploaded now and they should be available later tonight/tomorrow!"

To

"I ran into some of the same problems as chaosz"

After reading everything I've read in this thread alone.. there are just one to many inconsistencies for me to really hold out any hope this is going anywhere productive. There is a difference in changing an ETA and claiming you've made progress when you have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Chaoszs work was used, and you run into the same problem as him? That as far as I can see means you haven't made any more progress than him and are sitting on his work. I was honestly hoping to see a more reassuring post.

Either way, I'm done. Someone shoot me a PM When (IF) a decent rom ever comes from this thread. Other people can deal with the inconsistencies of what has been said/done.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lekhwani:
+1.

I feel for you and your generosity.

I hope your donation will be paid off by a full functional release of ics by any talented developer here. At that time we will make up for the donation you already made, for sure.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
whatever the case is i think I'm ready to enjoy my flyer as it is and stop obsessing over ics. For the time being I'm just going to assume DG is legit and an aosp ics build is in the works and back off and let him prove whether or not he's legit. just done obsessing. It's a great tab without custom firmware as it is!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
I traded a few more emails with Drew. I believe that he will continue to work on this. This is not a scam. If it was, he would be gone by now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
+1. I was very satisfied with my flyer - until the hope of ICS being put on it. Then i started obsessing over it until it reached the point that if I didn't get it i would no longer be satisfied with what i have. So i will follow your advice and wait for an ICS build if it does come (must have working pen) and if it doesn't then i will just continue being satisfied with what I have. :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MoiZie:
Still no download link however.. He said he would post it yesterday evening..:confused:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] teorouge:
Please, try and subscribe DG Twitter account if you're that anxious.

https://twitter.com/drewgaren
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Yeah I was real happy with it, even on honeycomb then I got a new phone that was noticeably faster and I started noticing how much laggier my flyer was in comparison, my phone has ics, and I was hoping ics would deliver more speed with the same tablet feel of honeycomb. pretty much got to the point with me that if I didn't get ics I was selling it on eBay and buying a gtab 2. But now I put gingerbread back on and its alot faster and nearly compatible with evey market app, and it's hard to complain. Ics would be nice for the tablet layout but gingerbread really is the best version of Android.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
I would forget about the port. If we see anything, it will be AOSP.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MoiZie:
Don't care, he said he would give us a link with a new build, it hasn't showed anywhere until now. According to twitter, the deadline is now monday ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
I would just forget about this thread and be surprised if anything is ever released
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] abifar:
that is obvious case of scam

Guys ,

I am over 7 years around and using the forum although I am not use to leave comments much. But I have seen many fights and devs stories here and there. here is my two cents, what I see here is the obvious case of scamming , just look at Drew's profile at google+ :

Education

Albion College

Anthropology, 2004 - 2006

Madonna University

Sociology, Psychology, 2006 - 2009

Palm Beach Atlantic University

Mental Health Psychology, 2009 - 2011

I am a senior engineer in hardware design who has also extensive experience in embedded linux and know one or two in android development. I insure you a guy with such a background would never be able independently come up with an AOSP . So do not put your hope in him and do not waste your time and energy. PERIOD.

Also i am sorry for people donated him but i think that would be a lesson , Do not donate before you see the product
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Whiskey103:
Oke guys, i think you all voiced your concerns enough by now.

Unfortunately i cant do much in this case.

I will close the thread though, just to prevent more cluttering.

If there is something new pm me and i will open it again.

Keep in mind, donating is always on your own risk and out of free will.

So complaining about it doesn't help much i am afraid.

Cheers

Whiskey

Forum Moderator
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mohitster:
You are awesome man. Keep up the good work!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
Great work. Think you'll be able to get the front camera working? That's what a lot of developers struggle with i know. Btw I plan on donating more soon.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lekhwani:
Great work!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] algorhythm:
Will blue tooth be based on sense drivers? I'd love to be able to use my ps3 controller but can't due to sense :-(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Snow_fox:
I nearly jumped out of my seat seeing ntrig. : D
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] zummer22:
Fantastic! Even thought I just bought the Transformer Prime I'm really looking forward to this! So thaaaanks you !
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
have you used the ntrig? if so is it working smoothly?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Snow_fox:
I'm holding off on installation until wifi works.

This is just the first ICS rom I've seen where it has even been implemented.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] GMAN1722:
Yea me too. Working wifi and ntrig pen are the basics of my needs everything else is gravy - but great to have as well :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Aerogriff:
This is awesome, can't wait for the final polished release :D
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] KB112:
This is awesome. I just recently got some kick ass ICS leaks on my 3D and now this!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jamus28:
I agree. Full Ntrig + wifi - honeycomb sillyness = happy camper
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
If this doesn't fix all the problems, I'ma gona revert all the way back to Froyo.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] killahrey:
Awsome! So glad i recently traded my View for a Flyer! Couldn't stand Honeycomb for 1 more second! Im sure the View catch up eventually but for now there is much more development here!.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mohitster:
Pardon my ignorance here, are scribe pens using same technology as ntrig? And will HTC Flyer's scribe pen will work with this build? :confused:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] IDisposable:
GPS?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] manlord:
Actually testing it. Will report in a few.

Edit : Crashed the moment I got a lock. I cant tell if it's working or not.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Cor-master:
This is my last hope for the flyer. I don't care about ics so much I'm just sick of the lag. It's got nice hardware! A fast cpu, the adreno 205 gpu that's right up there with the mali400, and a gig of ram. It shouldn't be so laggy on honeycomb but it is. If Drew can't get a good fully working smooth ics I'm reverting to gingerbread. But he's making great progress so there is definitely hope!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lekhwani:
+1
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lekhwani:
What exactly is `graphical glitches?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] minimonkey7:
+1 ;-)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
It means that the graphics really do not work. Everything is garbled. Sometimes the screen will snap into focus for a little while. Sometimes parts of the screen will be visible. But mostly, everything is just garbled.