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[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
*unknownx13: calm down man :D

I do love Sony, i just don't want Sony to be behind and lost the race like last year

All i want is something that can in pair with the smartphones standard

I guess i just over-reacting a little bit

Sry :D

Lets hoping for something big next week

This might be just the 1st shot of Sony in this Summer, we might see about 3 new phones next week guys :D

Cheers :p
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
sounds like you are moving on from xperia play lol

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the "sony fans" are just over hyping facebook imo
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
Soo....all this drama is because they released a facebook phone...that they hyped up on facebook?

Really guys....you think if it was the GX(i) they would advertise it as a "fun and social" device?

The thing is...the GX won't be "fun and social" because it can't do anything extra and exciting that the S/Acro S can't already do...it's just got LTE (or not in some regions) and the rest is just extra. If they advertise something like "do benchmarks make you drool? Do you like spending lots of money on a device? We got a new device coming your way!" then....I would think it would be the GX.

And to the people saying Sony will crash and burn if they don't release a new high-end by the end of the year? Seriously? The S/P/U/Sola are selling just fine. The providers are pushing it like theres no tomorrow and I am actually seeing more and more people with the device.

Sony is doing just fine, with/without another spec-junkie device...why? because most people don't care about benchmarks/best of the best, and tend to go for the more attractive or inexpensive devices, and since Facebook is all the rage now, this new device will probably sell good as well...

Everyone just calm down, and wait til...what, the 20th?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
And ur this reaction shows ur mental status!!!

You need to calm down and rethink, its not we are dying for QUAD CORES, we just want Xperia GX international version to be announced atleast, is this much from Sony !!!!

SONY has to rethink about its strategy...

I have PS VITA with no real big games.

I have SONY TABLET S with so many glitches.

I have used XPERIA Range X10, Arc, Play, XS.

So it already clear how big Fan of SONY I am & still disappointed, there has to be reason, right???

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[Xperia Z General] skycamefalling:
I don't understand all this crap either...the Xperia S is a great high-end phone -there is no other phone with a better display and no other Android-phone with such a good camera and a dedicated camera button (which is one of the most important things in my opinion). In addition, it looks much better than Galaxy SIII and One X

Soon, the Xperia Acro S will be released that adds a waterproof shell and a bigger battery to this great phone. Which other company gives you an outdoor-phone with high-end specs and a dedicated camera-button?

Hardware-specs and benchmarking is pointless, it's the whole package that counts and therefore I'm enjoying the Xperia S and will switch to the Acro S as soon as it arrives.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
what's to be disappointed of?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Coz Sony has not yet confirmed or announced abt Xperia GX international version !!!

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[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
So u are Ok and ready to switch high end phones every 3 mnths !!!!

from xperia PLAY (enjoying N.O.V.A.3)
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
I don't really need much. all I want is AVRCP 1.3 or above. many other high-end android and any-end windows phone already has it. not sure why sony can't do it without google's support.

seems so hard for sony to write or use newer bluetooth stack?
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
seems SONY FANS are becoming IFail like blind followers, think beyond XPERIA.

Go and buy SGS3 blue color, super smooth and hell lot of features, only the looks is NOT better than Xperias !!! Do u care
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
we all know the earliest date for that is june 20.

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would you switch every 3 months if it was GX?
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
Whats the BIG DEAL in announcing atleast !!!
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
all just wait for 20th JUNE !!! :confused:

Lets see wats in store..

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[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
Wow wow, cool down guys :p

Just let it go and wait for 20th :D

The new X Miro are for the mid and low end users

I've seen lots of positive feed back on FB about this phone

For us the High end user, the GX deserve better media attendant than just a FB hype right?

We already saw the ticket from Rubenos right? :) So just sit here and enjoy what will come next Wednesday k? :p
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I am switching from Xperia Arc to GX or ???

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[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
hope is NOT always the BEST thing :P
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
Isn't that your plan?

I mean, you -owned- the S (15min, so really doesn't count) and now you are wanting the GX out, so you can probably be back on the forums again, when it doesn't live up to your expectations.

You managed to nitpick the bad quality of your other Sony devices, so what will keep you from doing it with the GX? If they all "disappoint" you, what makes you think the GX will be the ultimate device?

You do realize that the 2013 devices will just be around the corner when the GX is out...right? If you follow the release scheme that 13x mentions (Japan, then 3 months later) when the GX is out, there will probably be rumors for the 2013 line.

/twocents
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
If GX in only announced then also whats the point waiting for another 3 months (when iPhone 5 & windows phone will be out) !!!

Buy a SGS3 like me and come back to XPERIA in 2013, if you want ofcourse.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
No, I want GX by July end so that I can use this till next year Q1 atleast, will switch when Sony will release quads..

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[Xperia Z General] skycamefalling:
No, I'm not. I like the Xperia S and I see that a waterproof phone for all my outdoor activities with the same specs arrive. So I'm switching to the Acro S and will stay there the next years.

That does not make the Xperia S any less, it's just that with the "Acro S" Sony delivers exactly what I've wanted for years and no other company was able to do.
[Xperia Z General] kekkle:
So... about the Xperia Miro... Is it the Olive I or the Atlas I on the original Xperia Roadmap?
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
That's very wishful thinking, if there's a 3 month delay on the global release after the official announcement :rolleyes:.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Xperia Tipo and Tipo dual got announced too.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/06/13/xperia-tipo-and-xperia-tipo-dual-officially-announced/
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
yayyy!!!!

I didn't know they had a dual-sim in the works...I will be getting that one when it comes out :) That will be my new travel/backup device then.
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
The Official Tipo look better than the leaked version we have seen :D
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
So 3 devices announced up to now, Tipo, Tipo dual and Miro. I suppose these 3 devices will be those handset which will be announced on 20th June with the possibility of some hands-on time and full specs list.
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
3/5.....2 left now !!! :cool:
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Why 5?
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
Lol at the hayabusa whiners. You already know the specs.

so, how can you still be so excited about just a release date?

Unknown please don't take this minority serious.

Many xperia fans appreciate your work and that of Sony.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
They have, in a way, the UAProf is proof enough that the LT29i is coming.

I'm with u13x, what are you guys complaining about, did you really think they would anounce there next international flagship through Facebook? The only thing that would be anounced through Facebook, must have something to do with Facebook, other wise it would be dumb. And they would NEVER anounce such high-end phones there, never happend before so don't count on it. Also, this world doesn't run on high-ends, only we do.

I was reading the Facebook reactions, ridiculous! So much anger and cursing, couldn't believe it.
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
That is what I say blind SONY followers, we know LT29 is coming, BUT when !!!

when we already have next bunch of smartphones in the market (i.e. at the year end)

along with iPhone 5s....this is ridiculous on SONY's part..........................................

If SONY can deliver GX anytime soon Sony will exist otherwise 2012 is over for SONY.............................
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
sony is doing ok for mid/low end...
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Maybe it is "over" in the high-end segment, but not for entry level devices. That devices attract more than the ones coming from Samsung, HTC and other vendors. High-end is clearly another story.

But nevertheless I find the low end device portfolio to much, they nearly look the same and have similar specs with only minimal differences.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Be patient guys :).

I'm going offtopic for a little, since the waiting is pissing my phone (X10i) off and acting like it's very slow all of a suddon.

So, who can help me flash the latest FXP kernel + rom. I tried some guides but they don't match the files. Anybody with skype who could help me?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Sony is recently floating the market with similar speced devices and with the Tipo dual they have entered the dual sim Android market. Didn't u13x hinted that there could be another S in the family? Up to now we have the original XS, the outdoor XS (Acro S) and if I have to guess, next in the line would be the Xperia S Dual. A dual sim phone for the high-end segment.
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
I think SONY already gave up and realized that they cannot match up with specs of high end phones like SGS3 & HTC One X so they are releasing good mid-end phones to have better sales in that segment !!!
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
No, they're doing what they've always done - and what others do - bringing out products for different market segments.

Not all of them will go on sale in every market. Some models may not go on sale at all, if operators (the real customers) aren't interested.

We all love our high-end models and crave the next generation, but operators are crying out for affordable handsets with a decent spec for emerging markets.

We may have NO interest in these phones and simply say 'meh' when they're announced, but there are plenty of people NOT buying an iPhone, GS3, One X, Xperia S etc - and not wanting to.

In the UK, anyone under 16 (maybe 18) is going to have a BlackBerry. Not because they love RIM, but because of BBM. BBM is the key to the teen market, but if RIM goes, they get bored of BBM or something better comes along - they'll all dump their devices and look elsewhere. Sony and others are at least trying to appeal to people in that age group.

Rather than slag off Sony, let's wish them luck. If they can make a success in all segments of the market, they'll make more money and be able to invest more in the high-end. It's business at the end of the day.
[Xperia Z General] Surethom:
Should be better then the GX, It should have the 13 megapixel camera with HDR video. Lets hope a bigger battery aswell. :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
the gx has already 13 mp with hdr. bigger battery is possible, though s4 is already energy efficient.

@ stupid comments:

sony should maybe take a look here. the xperia s general forum seems to contain some genius market analysts and xperts (pun lololol).

"if they don´t release hayabusa, it´s the end for sony".

yeah the release of just one phone decides the future of a huge multinational company. :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Have u seen the current market status of Sony !!!

Its stocks are at 30 years low...no need to say more

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[Xperia Z General] zymo:
yeah, but Sony is not just a smartphone company. If I'm not mistaken, their TVs' aren't selling well either.
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
Thats why I am saying to everyone that its time to MOVE ON :o
[Xperia Z General] howdid:
its official they named it the Xperia Ion

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ia-tipo-xperia-tipo-dual-and-xperia-ion-hspa/
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Joke of an announcement from Sony today.

Looking at their 2012 product line up it is too confusing and there is still no halo device to push Sony's phones onto the front page of tech blogs and websites like the Galaxy S3.

We now have these phones for 2012:

Xperia tipo dual

Xperia tipo

Xperia miro

Xperia go

Xperia acro S

Xperia neo L

Xperia Ion LTE/HSPA

Xperia sola

Xperia U

Xperia P

Xperia S

In order of release date, newest first. Not including Japan only phones. Of those the only ones worth having are the Xperia P, Xperia U and Xperia Ion. The Xperia S uses last year's hardware and is too large for such a small screen, the comparison between the Galaxy S3 and X-S is quite illuminating to show how much wasted space there is in the design of the X-S.

Sony still haven't figures out that Apple take the vast majority of smartphone profits with just 3 different devices in production (iPhone 3GS, 4, 4S). The original strategy from Sony for Xperia S/P/U made sense. Three devices to take advantage of economies of scale and then a new flagship in Q3 to compete with iPhone 5. Sony should have released just five phones this year, the Xperia S/P/U in March 2012 and pushed ICS for May, then two more in July/Aug GX/SX International editions shipping with ICS on board and ready for Jelly Bean.

Sony's strategy is all wrong and I just hope that these phones are the last vestiges of Sony Ericsson and Sony are just releasing all the devices they had prototypes for. If Sony have another year where they release a billion different devices and no distinguishable halo device I don't see why they bothered to buy Ericsson out of the JV. Also, we still don't have a PlayStation Phone or even a hint of one to come, that would be great. Use the Vita SoC which is the strongest of all in production, quad core A9 with quad core+ ImgTec graphics. I'm sure Sony/Toshiba don't have any production constraints for the SoC either, no one is buying Vitas and production is quite slow.

Anyway, Sony had a decent campaign yesterday to generate hype for their upcoming devices and they completely disappointed everyone who bothered clicking. Look at the hype Samsung generated for GS3, leaking information a couple of weeks in advance to make sure the GS3 was always on the front page, it was the best executed hype campaign since iPhone 4. Sony need to learn from Apple and Samsung if they are going to compete at the top of the market. Announcing Hayabusa for Japan and not the west was a terrible idea, because if Sony start teasing an international announcement the whole tech world knows that its coming and we all know the specifications and how it runs with ICS. There will be no surprise and no reason for tech blogs and websites to keep it at the top of the agenda for months on end like the Galaxy S3.

I want to buy Sony's Q1 2013 flagship, the successor the X-S, but if this is the kind of **** Sony are going to pull then I might just go with iPhone 5. D:
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Wasn't it named ION back when it was show cased at CES? What I found hilarious is the fact that low end devices are launching with ICS where as ION will be shipped with Gingerbread.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Sony, dont do anything now!!!

Think about 2013 quickly and start next year with a blast, this year gonne to Samsung GS3 n later iPhone 5..
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Yup, in Sony's place I would release Hayabusa, just to have something to compete with iPhone 5 and GS3, but in reality it will be too little too late. After that they need to concentrate on 2013 and getting a PlayStation Vita Phone out early in the year and then a quad core A15 LTE device for Q1/2 using ST-E NT 9600. Get it out before every other player and market the hell out of it and ship it with Jelly Bean. If Sony really are the second largest contributor the AOSP after Google then they need to make it count.
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
@xperiax10.awesome: you obviously have no clue about the stocks and whatsoever. japanese industry suffers in general. the effects of the past desasters are still present. sony also made most os its loss due to their tvs and ps3/psvita.

the mobile division on the other hand is doing quite good ( compared to other divisions of sony).

sony is using the family brand strategy to deliver many devices under the same brand (xperia) and to fill many market segments and please consumers wishes (acro s e.g., is there another nice looking outdoor mobile phone with acceptable hardware?)

sony possibly sees a better chance to increase their market share through this strategy than competing directly with other companies in the high-end segment.

sony knows the possible dangers of this strategy, but decided for it after evaluation.

as u said sony has to change and they did change!

remember 2010. u just had the choice between x10, x10 mini/pro and x8. Now compare it to their current line-up.

Eventhough they have so many devices, they will be able to provide update for all devices (if possible), cus they have similar hardware parts, so no repetition of the x10 dilemma.

@maximus: i should have stopped after "In order of release date, newest first. Not including Japan only phones. Of those the only ones worth having are the Xperia P, Xperia U and Xperia Ion. The Xperia S uses last year's hardware and is too large for such a small screen".

so the xperia s has outdated hardware while the ion hasn´t. sony seems to have switched the s3 cpu with s4 on the ion.

and you do understand, that the xperia s isn´t in the same sectore as the one x and s3?

look at their prices and overthink your comment...
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...TYO:6758&cmptdms=1&q=INDEXNIKKEI:NI225&ntsp=0

52 week, Sony down 50%, Nikkei 225 down 10%. Sony has completely underperformed and it is not just a case of being a Japanese company. Sony are doing badly in almost all sectors they are involved in. Beaten by Microsoft in gaming, beaten by Samsung in TVs, beaten by Apple in phones, laptops and soon TVs. Sony's only bright spot is insurance and banking which they are expanding. Trust me, this is what I do for a living. Sony are in bad shape, and it is because the product line up is too large and too confusing.

The Ion has LTE and a larger screen, that's what makes it more desirable.

I believe the point I was making is that Sony has no answer to the Galaxy S3 or iPhone 5 (or One X for that matter). That's the big failure, they have 11 phones out and not one of them can compete at the top of the market with the GS3, One X or soon iPhone 5.
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
I see. i just qouted a market analyst (michal pachter. he possibly just meant the gaming industry, i guess). I´m not that interested in the stock markets, even tough I just graduate on an economical grammar school.

lte is not everywhere available. you will find lte only in major cities in germany for example.

the bigger screen could be a reason for buying, but nevertheless the screen of the xperia s is crispier because of the higher display density.

the battery and the build material/quality of the ion are the only superior aspects to the xs in my opinion.

yeah it can be confusing to the consumer, but u shouldn´t forget that sony just went for that strategy. they will re-evaluate their strategy and data and if needed decrease the amount of devices.

sony isn´t a newbie, they know how business work, even if they made some mistakes in the past.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Come on guys and girls! Calm down! Obviously, most of us on here are SONY fans and we have such high expectations from them because we BELIEVE they CAN deliver something exceptional. So our critique (at least mine) is not out of animosity but, rather disappointment! In layman's terms it's tough love! :D
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Exactly. None of the advice I have given is just to rag on Sony. It is because I want them to improve. I would love them to release a balls to the wall phone with quad core A15, PoweVR Rogue, a large OLED screen (with stripe RGB, not crappy Pentile) from JDI, LTE/HSPA+ with awesome build quality and a huge marketing budget with actually decent adverts which show what the phone does, not the "powered by imagination" artsy crap they had for X-S. I would buy that phone, even at £599!
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
you do realize that's why apple is capable of buying sony with cash right now?
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
You know the problem with Sony is that they make too many devices take their tv business going in losses a lot of models some have some features others have others it just confuses consumers why not just make it simple and go okay this is our high end model this is our mid range and this is the lowest end. Sony is great at innovation so why not make the use of it and go the apple way circa 97 when jobs came back few products to focus on but are world class and we all know Sony can do it with ease! This is a strategy Sony needs to adapt in all its hardware business simple along with making every product work in sync with its other products. Sony can become a more consumer friendly version of apple and no Sony won't make cheap products cause it believes in the razor blades model mostly.

I have nothing against Sony I just want it to survive and then go back to its glory days.

Samsung isn't good enough to be a market leader for me no class if you ask me. It may make fun of apple and isheeps but it's the one whose following them most :-)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I disagree and I've got a GS3 here and not long given back the One X to HTC.

To most people, the Xperia S is a pretty decent phone that can be classed as a flagship. It has a HD screen with a higher PPI than anything else on the market and a 12MP camera - with a dedicated camera button that gives it a real edge.

If ICS gives the phone the ability to record video and capture stills, that's another feature it matches the others on.

So, what it doesn't have is the quad-core processor. Well, whoop-de-do. My GS3 is usually running with just two cores and the One X wasn't noticeably faster than the Xperia S (in many cases, it lagged thanks to Sense UI although that has been updated since I returned the phone). The One S has dual-core and seems just as capable as the One X, and in my benchmark comparison with the One S and Xperia S - S4 vs S3, the figures really weren't a whole lot different. As such, I am not even sure why people are so desperate for Sony to bring out an S4 device, let alone quad-core.

And the iPhone 5 - which hasn't even been announced yet can't beat anything until it's on sale. Does anyone like the new look design, or the fact that Apple will be doing nothing more than extending the display size to a widescreen ratio? Wow. Sure, it will have a faster processor and likely a bigger battery - and maybe NFC and some other cool bits of gimmicky software.. but for one thing, it's iOS.

Most Android users won't swap to iOS or vice versa if they've built up a collection of apps and games. I can't see myself dumping Android for iOS any more than I'd expect iPhone 4 owners looking to upgrade will switch to Samsung and get a GS3 instead of waiting for the iPhone 5.

Also, out of the xx phones Sony has, they're not pitching them all against the GS3! I really do wonder what some people think about how a company competes, as if they only care about the people like us who will pay anything to get the best, compared to the bulk of the population that have other priorities, and may want something smaller to fit in a pocket, better battery life or whatever.