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[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
HTC HD7 - Schubert was a big hit last year.

They should have inclute the SLCD at first and a FFC, then i am pretty sure the Schubert will be the Second Leo of HTC.

But sad they didn't make it happened.

What MS is making progress on the Market of Mobile, but it is still a losing fight if they just keep it this way.

They need to arrange a deal with the OEM on how to design and set up hardware for phones, as well as considering others options from the OEM as well.

As we all know, last year, when Windows Phone hit the market, everybody was excited and everyone report very Positive about the OS itself. All the fussing has been related to the OEM and the piece of hardware that they design and Microsoft is blamed mistakenly for that.

Normal user are not advanced like us to know and understand everything <= also why some people actually say Windows Phone is for "mature people" , lol

The OS itself need to get some Night-Day Changes Update. I mean the thing that impact directly on how we use the phone and interact with the phone. Like Mango was a big move when Facebook Integration was hella better with the notification tab inside Me Hub as well as Facebook Chat and all others stuffs. That is an example and they need more than that.

About the Ecosystem, i don't think it will be easy for anyone to set it up anytime soon. For me , a geek, who use Windows 7 since it first launched, just discovered the "real" use of the Windows Media Center 2 days ago. I had tons of struggling on building my current Ecosystem in the house. But I think Microsoft can promote it and make it easier to makes pieces and pieces of Microsoft Related product link together.

I mean, they have a straight path to success with Windows OS - XBOX Live - Windows Phone , they just don't know how to drive it straight.
[Windows Phone 7 General] o2neouzr:
marketshare doesnt really mean squat if youre not making money. android has %60 marketshare in the us, yet only samsung is making money. htc,lg,se,etc... are losing money. even google has been losing money on android. microsoft can easily create a cheap os that runs on those POS phones and get massive marketshare numbers in a lower amount of time. but whats the point of having marketshare if you cant make any money?

major carriers in the u.s have said 1/2 to 3/4 of phones sold on their networks are iphones. what does that tell you of the android marketshare? its all from the prepaid free phones. microsoft is not interested in such a market.

the windows 8 kernel will be used on WP8,and that will change everything to WP. 400 million pcs are sold every year,and guess what is installed on new pcs? windows 8. developers are going to be all over win8,i mean what kind of idiot developer is going to sit out and miss on such an opportunity on 400 million potential customers in the first year? porting to wp8 will be a breeze,and this is really going to push WP and thats when you will see it begin to make major noise in the market.

but some airhead blogger will never tell you that. hes just a paid shill.

btw, lumia 900 is beating the pants off htc one x on at&t.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
We never know what the internal bar is for a company so I do not see this as being an issue.

Now the second, easier to debate point. Successful companies do not pour money into something just to say they have something. People do that for selfish reasons, but publicly owned and traded companies have shareholders to satisfy and that would not sit well with shareholders. So, no, MSFT is not pouring money into Windows Phone just to say they have a Mobile OS in their portfolio.

Why are you all so negative? I mean cmon, if MSFT did not pour money into it you all would be shouting doom and lack of confidence. It is like they cannot win. The smartphone industry is a multi-billion dollar one. Microsoft wants to be the biggest slice of that pie. Same goes for the tablet world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
@sitizenx - any sales numbers you want to post would be great. please provide a quote on the forum along with the link. links tend to fade and die at unusually odd times.

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for clarity, the quoted was article in full. no paraphrasing, no opinion injected.

it's nice when instead of just providing links to soon-to-be-removed-articles/weblogs that the entire article is quoted (archived on forums) for future readers to read later. sometimes the long sightedness is interesting.

generally, when browsing techy 'news' articles on my phone, i'll save or quote an entire page to Evernote for later. including the link on the note will prove 3-4 days later that the article has been modified, if i compare the text side by side later on the mac. interesting stuff.

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also:

the link provided is 2nd or 3rd'ish hand information about a possible phone to be announced by samsung. (link http://smarthouse.com.au/Home_Office/Notebooks_And_Tablets/R6N2T7D6 )

as much as i like rumors in the tech world, all the marketing and press-priming to boost interest in company A instead of B has left me unimpressed of late:

"But we're introducing NEW feature sets and NEW hardware soon!" they say. whatever, let me know when it's at BestBuy so I can see it in action. See the lag, the crappy button placement, the poorly working speaker, or the barely functional GPS. This applies to several phones, not the one in the link (since we can't test it yet ourselves).

The hype of future tech is so flat when I look over at two phones sitting on the table that do what I want, right now, in a decent way.

:-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
According to this link the Focus 2 was recently announced (I remember reading leaks about a Samsung Mandel) so the article was wrong.

But it is not hard to see that Samsung is still very much in the Windows Phone space. If you rather not speculate I understand. Forums are already full of debates on pure speculation.

If I had to guess I would honestly believe Samsung is tired of the Apple litigation. That is what gives them reason to be involved in this Tizen project. That would also be a good reason to stick with Windows Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
1) I don't copy whole articles. That's called plagiarism and forums are routinely contacted with take down notices for that type of thing.

2) If you are unaware that Lumia 900 sales numbers are far in excess of Q1 Nokia Windows Phone sales numbers then I don't know what to tell you. Google "Lumia 900 sales" and just look at the headlines. I thought this was common knowledge?

Ordinarily I am for providing links and short quotes to back up statements on forums. But I don't think someone has to provide a link to prove it is May. Q2 Nokia Windows Phone sales and Q1 Windows Phone sales have nothing to do with each other. No one on this forum is going to back you up that those figures are going to be anywhere in the same neighborhood. Will Q2 sales be enough to save Nokia and Windows Phone? I don't know. What I do know is Q2≠Q1, not even close.

I mean they pushed back the UK Lumia 900 release just so they could satisfy unexpectedly strong US demand.

Did you see this...

Oops.

LG is out. Samsung is in. Doesn't sound like the makings of a disaster to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Nah, they're known for pouring money in to failing products, and the products still fail. Need I list the ones that continued to fail regardless?

Design wise its impossible for MS to take the biggest slice if the pie. Metro is a hate it or love it UI. Market leaders have bland 'meh' OK UIs. Nothing radical.

I honestly think they're aiming low. Maybe 4th, but then they did have the iPhone funeral, so its confusing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
3.5 inch screen and no LTE?!

The good thing is they don't have to "catch Apple." With Symbian gone and blackberry on the way out MSFT only has to take a portion of the Apple/Android slice of the pie to be a very profitable #3. No matter what MSFT or anyone puts out there are sheeple that will be blindly devoted to Apple. And the android install base includes a lot of pretty low tier phones. I don't think it is comparable to the Windows Phone universe... at least not in its entirety.

I have not seen Apple "matching at every price point." Even their latest phone doesn't have LTE or anything bigger than a tiny 3.5 inch screen. The cheapest iphone 4s is $200! $200 for a 3.5 inch screen and no LTE in 2012?! You can make several arguments in favor of apple but variety of competitive price points ain't one of them.

Really?! Blue tiles with white writing on a black background is "radical." That's an opinion. Which everyone is entitled to but it's hardly what I would call an irrefutable fact. I can easily unlock my screen and get all my infomation at a glance. I can tell which email accounts have new messages. I can tell the weather and I can see if any sms or Whatsapp messages have come in. All from the home screen without having to go into menus. If a couple of people communicate with me a lot then I pin them to the home screen. That way I can tell when I have a message or missed call from them specifically.

Prediction- Apple will copy MSFT and bring "live icons" to iphone... eventually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndroHero:
Guys i don't know if you want my input as an android user, but it's the whole metro thing that scares me away from WP. I was a WinMob user for many years until i switched to android. I have always been a fan of MS though (windows over osx/linux and xbox live over PSN) but WP reminds me too much of IOS, MS are basically saying this is how we think a phone UI should look, so were going to do is this way and you cant stop us or change it. I love idea of XBL and social integration MS has designed. It's just metro is never going to convince me to switch from android and it's awesome customisation :)

Thats just my 2cents.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Of course we want your honest input. MSFT had to make a choice. It looked at iOS and it looked at Android. It took a page from both of those books. The problem with iOS is you have one handset and frankly that handset never changes looks wise. The problem with Andriod and WindowsMobile was there were too many handsets.

MSFT figured out that they can have a more light weight stable and less expensive OS if it standardizes hardware. It also figured out people like a little variety. I loved the old WindowsMobile wild west days. Those were the best. I rarely posted on this forum. I was too busy downloading and trying out new roms and hacks... no time to sit around and debate. Now I am killing time until something interesting drops for the Lumia 900. But to be perfectly honest with you my Lumia 900 is a lot more functional than my Tilt 2 ever was and the Lumia 900 is cheaper. Did I have a component video cable that I could use with my Tilt 2 to do Powerpoint presentations by remote desktoping in to my home computer and pulling up files? Yes. Did I ever really need to do that no.

As far as software is concerned only having to write code for a finite universe of hardware greatly simplifies matters. Also locking the system down ensures uniformity and maximum app compatibility. Face it most people have no desire to customize their phones. Look at the most successful operating system iOS. We are a niche market. And frankly given that the Lumia 900 is so functional and was free I am not too nostalgic about the Tilt 2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I think that is a slight exaggeration there that MS is known for pouring money into failing products. I agree that they have done this in the past, with the Zune player being the most recent one I can remember, but I would not say that they are known for that.

But that is not what I was saying. I was merely stating that MSFT is financially committed to Windows Phone. I was not predicting because of this that it will be successful.

But I do believe Windows Phone will be successful. I agree entirely with sitizenx; Windows Phone can be a respectable 3rd in the mobile OS war and be successful. But it makes no sense going back and forth on that. Who really knows?

I disagree that Metro UI is divisive. People on tech forums have agendas (and I am including myself as having an agenda). Throw those people out and you put Windows Phone in the hands of the average person on the street and they do not hate the UI. Microsoft would have to be really foolish to unify the Xbox and Windows with the whole Zune/Metro thing unless they had real reason to i.e. overwhelmingly positive feedback. In my opinion, Metro UI is a totally unique, fresh, and useable UI. It is a perfect blend of Widgets and icons, with Hubs providing a convenient central area for similar data. It is simple but not childish, intuitive, and efficient.

If you are into screen customization then it clearly will not suit your needs. Funny enough, I was one of those WoW players who spent most of his time downloading bar mods, map mods, bag mods, etc to make my screen different and useable for raiding. I also did it with my Android phone. I guess I got over it.

But I would like a moment of reflection. Here we are in a thread with an inflammatory title having a civilized debate about Windows Phone. I would hope this demonstrates that Windows Phone fanboys are reasonable and all we would like people to accept is we love an OS that does have its merits and cannot wait to see where it will take us. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Come on Nicksti, are you going to make me list a few failing consumer products? I'll make it easy, every consumer product that MS has made has been a failure, one exception is the Xbox.

Again they have to catch RIM to be 3rd.

Metro is a hate it or love it UI, no way around that. Just read any message board or read up above. Its radical, its different. Some love it

, some hate it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Iphone 3gs, iphone 4, iphone 4s, enough said.

You have to unlock your phone to do all that? Wow. I hope Apollo brings a ton of improvements.

Radical, as in everyone else is using simple icons. MS isn't, thats radical.

Apple will copy winphone? They all copy each other, so I cant debate that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] willdarko:
Its not like WP7 its going down, the thing is that most of the people are hypnotized by the 457897654 cores and 45ui5478 of RAM in android devices, when they see the specs on a WP7 they think of 2010... I mean, if they only give WP a chance they will throw away all of them galaxy notes and all of those smartphones! I was an android user but when I've got my WP I just quited on android!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Okay Vet, go ahead and give me the list. If I was a betting man I would put up something in paypal too ;)

Just remember, Microsoft puts out a whole heap of consumer products. I have used a mix of their enterprise ones and consumer:

Microsoft Office

Microsoft Windows 95/98/2000/XP/Vista/7 (never really used NT)

Microsoft webcams (lifecam, and the HD one is really nice)

Various wired and wireless keyboards and mice

I also use their MS Dynamics which is business software. Project is too. etc. Microsoft makes tons of products, and when I think of Microsoft I do not think of failed consumer products. But I am willing to hear your list :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Those who prefer iPhone will stay with it because of familiarity. Apple is smart in realizing it does indeed have sheeple (no offense intended, just laying down a line of argument). Those who prefer Android have been sucked into the marketing hype of "openness" and freedom to do whatever they want with their phones and will likely stay with the platform. Those of us on WP7 are here because (a) we were previously on WM, (b) don't care for iOS (myself included), (c) realize that Android is a convoluted mess with no standardization from one device to another or (d) converts from dead systems such as RIM, Symbian or webOS. I know RIM is technically not dead, but let's be real.

Either way, whatever platform we have chosen is of our own preference and we arrived at the decision considering many factors. It is very arrogant of anybody to "hate" on someone else's choice because of their own prejudice. In other words, live your own damn life and stay the f**k out of mine. Agreed?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You named enterprise products, stuff a ton of people have no choice on. The hardware isn't selling well either.

Consumer products like the Smart Watch, Media Center dvd players, etc...but I'll stick to WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
I see 3g in there. I see 4. The only thing we aren't seeing is what really matters LTE. I actually almost didn't get a smartphone because I was told by a friend that using data off of wifi was a pain in the rear and not worth it. Boy am I glad I ignored that apple fanboy and got introduced to the world of LTE. It's 2012 for crying out loud. Apple fanboys still fapping to 3.5 inch screens with no LTE?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Come on, we're having a good discussion, don't ruin it.

Some people don't want a bigger screen, and some don't want to pay for LTE.

Me personally I wish they would throttle everyone to 5mbs speeds, and lower the price to the unlimited $5usd days.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
We are going to discuss everything. Even the stuff that is a little inconvenient for Apple. Yeah. My GF wanted a bigger screen the minute she saw my Lumia 900. Anyway if you want a smaller screen Windows Phone has that. If you want a bigger screen Windows phone has that. Apple? Nope. One size fits all. No one needs to explain to me people have preferences. That's why I don't own the Model T of phones.

Pay for LTE?! Son, my LTE phone was FREE and I pay $30 a month for unlimited LTE. You don't pay a penny more for the goodness and you actually SAVE $200 vs buying a slow poke phone (ie iphone 4s).

Yes I suppose if you alter reality and remove LTE from the picture the iphone 4s at $200 a pop looks slightly less silly next to the free Lumia 900. Unfortunately reality shows up to spoil the party.

iOS definetly has some advantages over Windows Phone, but when you look at them OBJECTIVELY anyone claiming the $200 iPhone 4s is somehow a technological marvel that blows the FREE Lumia 900 out of the water is smoking crack.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
And WP7 has advantages over iOS and Android. It all comes down to what device or which platform or even which carrier suits your needs. Some devices on the same carrier behave differently depending on what region they are on and what the coverage is like. So you see, this discussion is the tech world's equivalent of the perpetual motion machine. It's like that one episode on the original Star Trek with the two guys who are half white and half black, at each other's throats for eternity with no possibility of compromise. I, personally, could care less about LTE because for what I need a few seconds here and there aren't going to change my world. LTE doesn't make my phone conversations any faster, and last time I checked a phone is a phone first and foremost. Email and Office documents rule my day and most files are not large enough to really affect my data collection speed. I realize most of you on these boards are young and just starting life but let me tell you something, don't be in such a hurry. Stop and smell the roses or before you know it, you'll be a grumpy old fart like me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
Well, let's just ask Siri then, shall we?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Enough said, as the topic was quickly derailed. I'm still young btw.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I named consumer products in the first paragraph. Microsoft Office is not enterprise software per se; And out of curiousity how do you know how well their hardware is selling? After Logitech webcams, the Lifecam is the next best seller on Amazon.

Oh to make a fair correction, it was a Logitech C920 HD webcam I used. That is a nice webcam with very nice mics built it if you are every into something like that. I had to set it up for a conference room.

But let us squash it. when I think of putting out busters I do not think of Microsoft, but I take it you do. To each his own. And it is worth mentioning that Windows Phone has only been out for a little over a year. In the same timeframe, the XBox 360 was a spectacular failure with the disasterous failure rates (red ring) and the fact that they lost money on every console sold. Now into the future you are calling it their only successful consumer product. The exact sentiment was they botched that product so badly and squandered the year lead they had over the PS3.

"Monday Morning" I think it is called.

Out of curiousity, can't a loose parallel be drawn between the XB360 and Windows Phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndroHero:
I dont know about you, but when i bought my PC, i had a choice of what OS i wanted to install, just like when i chose what office software or internet browser i wanted to use.

Everyone has choices but most people choose MS products without considering the rest because they are the best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
not at all. Two entirely different beasts and markets, with entirely different competition. When MS entered the gaming market there was only Nintendo and Sony, they catered to different markets. Competition was needed. Not to mention MS really improved what gamers wanted.

In the phone world, there is a ton of competition, catering to every part of the market, with services and features already offered.

Yeah right, if you purchased a PC from a big box company, your choice was Windows, nothing more. There arent any Linux, OSX discs beside it to let you choose.

Office is the standard of enterprise and businesses, and what people know.

Its been this way for years, and common knowledge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Makes sense.

That's not the point. The point is Apple fanboys make vacuous statements but when it comes down to real objective hardware differences they prefer to skip over all the details where Apple is the clear laggard. YOU may not have any use for LTE but it is an extraordinary technological advance that makes all kinds of things actually practical to do on a smartphone. Let me put it this way. LTE was my FIRST data plan on my phone. I had absolutely no desire to fiddle with a phone with a tiny screen and wait around watching a progress bar as web pages tried to load.

Well if that's the case we should completely ignore EVERYTHING that was spoken about in this thread and just compare call quality. Again there are plenty of phones that cost less than $200 that have better call quality than the iphone 4s.

If I am paying the same price for data and someone wants to charge me $200 more for a phone it better be able to access that data better than a free phone. I could see if you got a DISCOUNT for the non LTE phone and non LTE data plan buy you actually have to pay MORE! That's a problem.

I prefer to "stop and smell the roses" in an actually park outdoors not while I'm downloading something on my smartphone.