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[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
According to @randomuser on Esato, Odin is Galaxy S4 competitor.

You and his info are different. Check the last 5 or so pages from 2012 Rumours thread on XDA.

EDIT: Some of randomuser's info:

"Yuga and Odin are like Mint and Hayabusa as I mentioned before. And CPU is indeed APQ8064. Also don't take the score seriously it's still very early firmware. Final retail models will hit 13000+"

"No major difference between yuga and odin except exterior and few minor features''

"As of now there are no rumors of a phone with Xenon flash. Whenever there is a solid rumor, I would definitely post here without being asked "

"5tephane, not feature phone but Walkman tech will be seen in 2013 phones. "

"Cannot answer the specific question but yes there will be a big jump in camera performance going into 2013. Cybershot input will be seen."

(This is from someone else, but a trusted guy:)

"1) it's too early to know colors, I believe they're still investigating the final design including colors and materials; I bet they already have multiple prototypes now... (@randomuser : did you saw any )

2) I bet it will be MHL, All makers are moving away from HDMI to MHL... we like it or not

3) This thing is I can't answer, @randomuser might have the answer and might be able to answer you... but looking for Sony, I don't think it will have any proof, unless they change it in the end when they saw the attention to the proof phones...

4) Headphones I think it will be the same or newer version... They won't afford higher price while they know some guys won't even use them !! regarding the MHL adapter it will depend on the market, the NFC tags I believe will be there.. but all of these might change even in the last minute so don't count on any thing..."

"As far as pricing goes, the 2013 devices will cost slightly more than S/T/V. On par with other flagships, for a change. Since the last two years /Sony flagships have been cheaper than true flagships from Samsung, HTC etc. 2013 that will change."

"Odin is the 1H flagship for 2013, will be out in Q2. Probably will be shown at MWC. "

"Odin is not Play 2. "

"Q: rumor said Galaxy S IV will announce in MWC

so

Odin can beat GS4?

A: Yes As an overall package it will better the S4. I do not know about the CPU the GS3 will use so maybe S4 could be faster than Odin in CPU speed. So all in all Odin and S4 will be equal. And then in 2H S4 will get destroyed by Sony 2H flagship

So yeah at least 3 flagship phones next year. One(Dogo) for Q1, Odin for Q2, and "X" for Q3-Q4"

"Indeed. Minimalism will be key next year according to rumors. Nothing too radically different though, as the 2012 devices (most of them) are already Sony designs."

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Just sharing my info :cowboy: I'm surprised he knows S4 specs already :silly: Also, regardless of what the CPU said, Sony changes them in the end. Same with what happened to T/TX. So I would take alot of the rumors as a grain of salt :)
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Didn't said he our you have the right info, just said that your info is different from his.

But let's wait. Might buy a Q2 or Q3 flagship, depending on the size, price and launch date of the Q3 one.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
I understand :laugh: Last time I confirmed a CPU from the T/TX, Sony got me back with changing the specs on the last minute, so even I do not trust their internal info anymore :p
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
As a curiosity, which was going to be the XT CPU before they changed?
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Based on their brief, the international version was going to be 8960 (My market doesn't have LTE). :rolleyes: So the press received the wrong specs initially, and it took a while to clarify the different CPU's.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I assure you nobody can give you answer of this :-/

sent from Xperia Play
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
except someone with time machine from the future !!!

j/k :silly:
[Xperia Z General] osharaf:
I really hope they keep sticking to the arc design and forget about the ugly nxt designs.
[Xperia Z General] Tejstar:
Well Yuga will have a 1080p display - not to be sniffed at!

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/14/benchmark-confirms-1080p-display-for-sony-c660x-yuga/
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
The devices will have a design close to Ion one, if I recall reading correctly on Esato. No more NXT (which I liked very much)

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
It will be the same size as the ION with a 5" screen. Nobody knows anything about design. It is still a mystery what design will be used by Sony.

I sure hope that it is not any bigger than the ION but most likely it will be.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Not exactly like Ion, but something along it. Maybe with resemblances of the V/T/TX also. Those are info from randomuser and someone else on NEOGAF forum. The dimensions will be similar to it, not exactly like it.

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Actually look for the Odin to have a glass front and back and be flat. That's the latest I have.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
How big will it be compared to 4.6" phone?
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
About the same size as the ion.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Thanks.

Will it be available in the US or with AT&T LTE bands?
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
It will have ATT LTE bands but won't be available through a carrier. AT&T changed their minds and decided not to pick it up for some reason. So will have to pay full price for it unless AT&T changes their mind again.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] Mythusme:
Upcoming Sony 2013 flagship phone

Sony C650X ‘Odin’ (C6502, C6503, C6506) & Sony C660X ‘Yuga’ (C6603) - Yuga will have a 1080p (1920 x 1080) display

1.5GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 chipset (APQ8064 & Adreno 320 graphics)

MDM9615 baseband chip with LTE support.

Maybe a 5.0-inch TFT-LCD IPS display module with 1080 x 1920 pixel resolution and 443 PPI

These phones are currently being tested with Android 4.1.1 Jelly Bean

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/12/sony-c660x-yuga-unveiled-in-benchmark/

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/14/benchmark-confirms-1080p-display-for-sony-c660x-yuga/
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
At least it will be available in the US. I paid full price for the XS. I do not mind paying the full price for a good phone. I am assuming the AT&T will wait for the Q4 flagship from Sony.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
will you wait until Q4 for that flagship?
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Based on the rumors on XDA and ESATO the Q4 flagship will have a better CPU/GPU and an OLED screen. Those are supposed to be the only changes if the rumors are true. Edit: and supposedly a 16MP camera.

In my opinion not worth waiting for. If AT&T gets the Q4 flagship than I can get it on contract for $200 and sell ODIN on eBay and still make money.
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
How much better can the CPU/gpu get?? I mean s4 pro and adreno 320 are just tje best and way more than a handset needs
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
MSM8974

- 28nm

- Quad Core Krait 2.0-2.5GHz

- Adreno 320

- Can capture 1080p@60fps

- BT4+WiFi a/b/g/n/ac + LTE + HSPA+ networks

Faster Quad Core processor and integrated radio.
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Too power consuming.. S4 pro is also krait right? So basically it would be a CPU clocked at a higher speed and more fps
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
There are also some rumors that Sony might use NovaThor L9600 28nm 2.5 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 with PowerVR Series6 (Rogue) Dual-channel GPU	and LTE integrated modem in the Q4 flagship.

Nothing is certain for now. All speculations.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
since it's almost more than a year away, I doubt anything is real for now.
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
At this time, I think I will just hold on to my Xperia S until the real ARM Cortex-A15 MPCore SoC in market.
[Xperia Z General] Surethom:
Cybershot

"Cannot answer the specific question but yes there will be a big jump in camera performance going into 2013. Cybershot input will be seen."

I do hope so, & I do hope Sony Finally puts a xenon flash on a Cybershot Android phone, I dont care about 7"mm thin, 8",9" or even 10" is fine if it has a xenon flash. But please Sony put a battery bigger than 2200mAH
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Xperia Nexus
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Looks like a photoshopped Ion and I highly doubt that we gonna see a Nexus with rectangular body.
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Is this processor better than s4 pro?
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
Yes.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_(CPU)#section_1
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Google Event on 29th Oct - Last hope for Xperia NEXUS !!
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Considering the lack of rumors and leaks I wouldn't get my hopes to high. So what can we expect to see on the 29th?

Android 4.2 (leaked and "preview" of some core apps )

LG Nexus 4 (Leaked and already previewed)

Nexus 7 32GB (leaked in EU, USA and was already delivered to a Japanese customer)

Nexus 7 3G (leaked through Taiwanese FCC the "NCC")

Nexus 10 (rumors about insane display resolution popped up and recently some pics found on picasa, but could be easily faked)

So far nothing about a Sony Nexus, the last rumor mentioning a Nippon Nexus was coming from WSJ back in May.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
http://anatomyofahoax.tumblr.com

Sent from my Sony Xperia S
[Xperia Z General] 'cooleagle':
This thread has been made a sticky. :)

- You can discuss / compare which Xperia phone you should get.

- You can ask other members which Xperia phone suits your needs.

- You can ask all the X vs Y phone type of questions here, kindly do not start a new thread for it.

Cheers & Regards,

'cooleagle'
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
^yay thanks!!!!!!!! still waiting for v its comming soon!!! woot
[Xperia Z General] ioang:
xperia u is za best
[Xperia Z General] Feeling_Free:
thank you mod :)

well actually i'm still confuse which one should i get, Xperia S, Xperia SL, Xperia ion

and i found a great deal on my country for Xperia SL which is cheaper than Xperia S

what i want is Xperia T but too bad it will release on my country in 2013

continue from my previous thread here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1946598&page=2

my only concern is i can watch my movies collection which is most of them has 720p resolution come with mkv format and hard subbed and i can connect it to my HDTV as media player

i owned htc evo 3d before and it fail to do that, every time i tried to play mkv it's always lag, shutter, and even video and sound does'nt match
[Xperia Z General] Mr.Krypton:
As my signature says I should be buying a C660X ? well lemme wait :/ o.O and I'm going to sell this Xperia S.....
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
As far as in concerned the title of this thread should be changed to which Xperia shouldn't I buy.

Unless you chaps like all the frustrations that come with owning a Sony android device
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Sony C650X Odin Phone Pictured – Concept or Leak?

Real or concept?

http://www.concept-phones.com/sony-ericsson/sony-c650x-odin-phone-pictured-concept-leak/
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Looks like moto razr.. Fake I think
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
It looks like the X2
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
Hi, hope it won't be considered as spam, just to let those who might be interested that Liveview is on sell for 15 euros (was 49E) on Sony website :

http://shop.sonymobile.com/fr/buy/liveview-black/1243-6429/
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Is it available for the same price globally?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Can anyone explain me the reason - why SONY is not able to launch Xperia T/TX/V in Singapore/globally !!!

Its really frustrating...
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
should ask your government/carrier
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I dont think it has anything to do with government or carrier, all other brands reach Singapore immediately !!

At least we get the export sets immediately (let it be Galaxy S2 LTE or Note 2) for hardly any news about Xperias here in Singapore...

May be only a bunch of ppl now interested in Sony products !! :(
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
Try on your country Sony website. I saw that in england it was 13,99GBP. Where are you ?

Delivery is very fast, I got it this morning after ordering it friday night !
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Nice. I am from India. I don't know where to find it for my country
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
XPERIA E & XPERIA E DUAL coming !!!

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/2...ria-e-dual-outed-as-new-entry-level-handsets/
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Well so far HTC seem to be front runners for my hard earned cash. The HTC J butterfly is an incredible looking phone in every respect. Design and specs. Only downside is it's still spotting an 8mp camera which I can live with easily.

Eagerly anticipating the global launch of this phone. It looks like HTC have finally got it that sense looks ugly because sense 4.0 plus looks a lot more elegant. Phew!

With a 5 inch 1080p display, s4 pro, 2 gig of ram and proper software support, this phone looks like it'll take some beating when it goes global. Can't believe it's really a HTC device. Oh how the mighty have fallen and the minnows have risen. Life eh?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Agree, but again we are NOT sure whether it will be released globally or not !! :(
[Xperia Z General] andrasandhi:
hmm, i wish sony launch 2013 devices with long-life battery, or just upgrade the batt capacity.

see on xperia's 2011 line-up. 1200mAh??

meh..... :what:
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Even the One X has some lagging, and I am sure that the S III will be the same. It was on the model I was playing with at the Samsung Unpacked event in London two weeks ago, but I am sure we can argue that it wasn't the final software.

Still, the good news is that as iOS has been getting more bloated, you can get screen lags on the iPhone and iPod touch too. I'm not sure that's a good thing, but there are other reasons than the lack of processing power! Even my i5 iMac has its moments.

The biggest cause for delays on most of the Android devices I've used (or reviewed) is when it is doing a background sync, especially new email or updating apps - and I'm quite happy that the Xperia S doesn't slow down much, if at all, when doing this.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Although I do not own the Xperia S, I do not believe that the GX has the same "WOW" factor that the Xperia S has. I think that the Xperia S definitely looks much better.
[Xperia Z General] shahkam:
Mee too i do not own the xperia s but really seing those doesnt make me attracted to it but the xperia does really !
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
After seeing the GX, I am actually thinking of getting the Xperia P as a "stop gap" phone till Sony's 2013 lineup.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
I was thinking on exactly the same lines. By Sept when the Gx is out, rumours will start flowing in about the 2013 lineup, leaving ample time to decide.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Yeah. I am a little perplexed right now. I am usually very excited when I see Sony's new phones but, when I look at the GX my reaction is 'Meh'. The Xperia S has some problems which are well documented here that's why I am not getting it. The P looks like a decent phone at least till Q1 2013. Not sure what I'm going to do? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
The answer is obvious! Wait for the as of yet unannounced Xperia Nexus that'll be an all around super duper amazing phone, but have some minor disadvantage compared to one of the other Xperia phones, making the decision hard once more :)

Heh, I really want to upgrade my x10a but I'll have to give a lot of thought as to whether the GX is the one I want. I was really hoping to see a Sony inspired OLED display on my next phone, but we'll have to wait for that I suppose.

Now here's my question... we know that each and every phone we're seeing this year to date was something created during the Sony Ericsson days, and we're really just seeing the launch of those devices as originally planned. Now some info from online has indicated that even during the Sony Ericsson days, Sony was the driving force behind the decision making and what we're seeing really are Sony designed phones rather than compromises. Then other info online indicates that during the joint venture, Sony was hesitant to share tech with Ericsson so a lot of the goodies that could have potentially been put into a phone weren't. Now where does this leave us? What're the chances that we're going to see a completely 100% Sony inspired phone in time for CES 2013 where they're throwing everything behind it and there's no more holding back? What COULD Sony possibly put into a phone that'd be revolutionary rather than simply evolutionary?

I've read online that it typically takes 2 years to get a cell phone from start to finish and in the customer hands. I don't know if that's true, as 2 years seems to be a long time but who knows. Sony knew since late 2011 (at latest) that they'd be buying out Ericsson and would be on their own. That means if we're now looking at the 2013 lineup, it is possible that we'd then be seeing 100% Sony inspired phones hitting shelves. Of course I know I'm overthinking it a bit, but we know (sorta) that Sony has cell phone sized OLED displays on order. We know Sony is going to want to further integrate their other technology with one another more and I must say I would LOVE to have a new Xperia with a xenon flash. I just dunno... I think what'll probably happen is if the international version of the GX comes out and there's no hint of another super phone already leaked at that time, I'll likely get the GX. If we do have indications of another superphone like a Xperia Nexus or a Vita Phone, I can definately see myself holding out just a bit longer because that's truly what I want.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
My suggestion is to go ahead with Xperia S & skip GX..then look for Sony's 2013 flagship (may be Q2)

Till then amaze people with the transparent led bar of XS :)

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
It's an option, but I'm not the type to spend money to get a temp phone when my current one is working just fine. When I do my upgrade, I plan to stick with that phone for a good couple of years.

I guess that's the other thing that I'm hesitant about. Is Sony going to turn the Vita OS into their own mobile platform for phones and tablets? If so, I might give it serious consideration as I love the way my Vita performs, and the list of quality games would be pretty staggering between the Vita games, PS1 games, PSP games, and presumably we'd get PS2 games one day - not to mention PS Suite games which will hopefully give it a lot of the popular games from iOS and Android. Sure Sony Android phones will have a taste of that with the Playstation Suite, but it just wouldn't be the same.

Truthfully, I am a Sony fanboy. I'll get their stuff and I'm very interested in their ecosystem if they choose to build upon it. I guess my fear is that I'll spend money to get their high end Android phone and not too long afterwards they'll release Vita OS phones.

Ah well, I guess I'll just continue to wait and see :)
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
The Xperia P also has the transparent bar. It also has uni body aluminum case which I really like! :confused:
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Yeah design wise XP is also good, but specs wise its weaker than XS..

Thats y I am buying XS now !!

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[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
They don't. Samsung phones and tablets also get jerky at times.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
My best mate has a galaxy S2 and it's noticeably smoother than the xperia s especially in scrolling. Most notably in the web browser.

I really think the xperia is worse because of the very graphics intensive widgets and home launcher. Don't know what the story is with the web browser.

Sony widgets are always transparent and although it makes for very pleasant viewing, it surely musty take its toll on the hardware. Another example is their overview mode. While others use a thumbnail static image of the home screens, Sony use live previews and by that I mean the widgets remain live, you can see statuses being updated and such like.

While all of this is very nice to look at I think there is a performance hit because of it.

I don't know I might be talking nonsense based on pure conjecture. Who knows, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Back to the GX, I prefer the xperia in almost every way. I just prefer the package of the screen size to resolution giving a very high PPI, no external drives and even the fixed battery.

Seriously I think the phone is better for it.

I don't want a Gx, that's not what my rant was about, I want an S with an S4 processor not because of the numbers for bragging rights. Nobody buys Sony for bragging rights. I supposed I hoped it would improve the ui performance but that's been severely dented by some of comments I've read.

Oh well will wait to see what's available next year. September is a bad time to buy a phone because all you get is beefed up specs and not their evolutionary platform.
[Xperia Z General] muzontnt:
Hi guys! if any of you real owners, who would have to share a folder app from system?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
This is where you're wrong, so I don't know if I or someone who believes my theory can trust you anymore. The digits that are used are for the year and the high-end score (obviously). Sony started with this in 2011, look at the model numbers.

There are 5 things in a typename of Sony:

Type, interface, year & score at current categorie. The i is for International ofcourse.

Walkman Live with Walkman WT19i	(Walkman Touch 2011 score 9)

Xperia Mini ST15i	(Small Touch 2011 score 5)

Xperia Active ST17i	(Small Touch 2011 score 7)

Xperia Ray ST18i	(Small touch 2011 score 8)

Xperia Neo V MT11i	(Medium Touch 2011 score 1)

Xperia Neo MT15i	(Medium Touch 2011 score 5)

Xperia Mini Pro SK17i	(Small Keyboard 2011 score 7)

Xperia Pro MK16i	(Medium Keyboard 2011 score 6)

Xperia Arc LT15i	(Large Touch 2011 score 5)

Xperia Arc S LT18i	(Large Touch 2011 score 8)

And with the current released phones it's:

Xperia U ST25i

Xperia Sola MT27i

Xperia SX MT28

Xperia P LT22i

Xperia S LT26i

Xperia Ion LT28at

Xperia GX LT29i

There is no way there would be an LT30a, it doesn't make scence. It would be a future phone, released in 2012 with a score 0.

The only thing that is still possible is that Sony has raised there standards of what a Medium Touch is, so there could be an MT29i with the 4.3" AU Optronics Amoled screen that was rumored earlier.
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
The phone is not out yet :)