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[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
I'm a bit disappointed by the Z1.

Why is there no 4k video if the chipset is capable of it?

Also, they should have either made the screen a bit larger with the dimensions of the Z1 or keep the screen size and dimensions of the Z. Even better: Shrink it down a bit so that it is smaller than Z. I also think that 170g is too heavy, the weight of the Z is already a lot.

So I guess I'm waiting for the Spring 2014 flagship or whenever there is a Sony phone with the following specs:

- 3GB ram (out of my 2GB, only about 600MB are left and this is without running an app in the foreground but I have a couple of apps running in the background and I think I'm a fairly heavy user)

- 4k video for future proofing, I'm not buying a phone with "only FHD" again

- same camera specs as Z1

- minimum of 32GB internal memory and microsd - come on Sony, it's not 2011 anymore and I have only 2GB space left out of my "16GB" which is in reality only 11,73GB

- ip55/57 or 58

- same or smaller dimensions, weight as Z

- Snapdragon 800 at least

- USB 3.0 (the chip supports it, so why doesn't the Z1 have it?

- real wireless charging or at least these charging pins again as I hate to open any flaps. Right now I'm using bt earphones and the charging dock for my Z and Airdroid for data transfer so I don't need to open my flaps :)

But this is how it's going to be: The Z1 will be available at the end of September with Snapdragon 800. In early January 2014, they'll announce the Z2 with Snapdragon 800 and 4k video. They are going to release it around February, right in time for Mobile World Congress.

However ,at CES in 2014, Snapdragon will announce their new S1000, S1200 and 1400 SoCs. The 1400 beeing the succesor to the S800.

Of course Sony is still using the S800, because at the time of the release, there is nothing faster available. However, the S1200 will be available not long after the announcement at CES. HTC and Samsung are going to use the S1200, which replaces this years S600 in their HTC One2 and Galaxy SV.

Result: Sony is having outdated hardware again, compared to the other makers. Just like this year with S4 Pro and the others had S600. Of course, Sony will release their second half of 2014 flagship in September with S1400. Then history repeats itself in 2015...

Or Sony might switch to a one year flagship cycle which I would like a lot better.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
You only need to look at the new iPad to see how the extra performance causes problems with heat. Some developers have already expressed concerns about it, as they can't actually use the power because of the heat problem - and power consumption that exceeds the rate by which you can charge the iPad!

It's mad to think you can have a device being powered that can run out of battery, although I am not suggesting that this is going to happen on a One X or GS3 under full load.

Even the Xperia S has a service that monitors the temperature to cut performance if things get hot.

The thing is though; many people will want the most powerful device they can get at the time of purchase (especially when entering into a long contract) so they'll probably think of the One X or GS3 for future proofing, without ever being aware of the technical issues you've mentioned.

Retailers will hardly rush to inform customers, even if they understood themselves!

You could give someon a £100 prepay Huawei G300, with a single-core 1GHz processor or an Xperia U with a 1GHz dual core processor (circa £150) and pretend it had a quad-core processor, then demo how quickly the menus scroll and you can jump from one app to another. The fact is, even fairly low-end models are now of an incredibly high standard and sufficient to meet the needs of most people.

I've said before - if there were more apps to really use the power (or even apps that could only operate IF you had such power) then I'd begin to believe you should buy one to protect yourself for the future, but the two things I'd be seeking to have on a device now would be enough RAM and good battery life. Ironically, until Samsung made a big thing of its larger than normal battery, few manufacturers seemed to think this mattered. [To be fair; Motorola did so before with the Razr MAXX, but I'm in the UK and Motorola has pathetic distribution here, such that you'll only really get one SIM-free from online retailers].
[Xperia Z General] Readler:
I have question (I'm new here and a noob, so excuse my stupidity): why does everyone listen to what unknown13x says?
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
He is a good player :D
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
is there going to be AVRCP 1.3 or newer in sony's ICS, so my sony bluetooth devices can display meta data with sony smartphone:D?
[Xperia Z General] Lucasm93:
This mentality of comparing specs separetely is just plain wrong.

The S3 right after it's launch had everything to be a major bust for Samsung.

Now it's on the path to become it's biggest success, and write it down, it will.

Blablabla Krait is better core to core. It's better than Tegra 3. It's very, very slightly better than the Exynos. Both of them are not pure A9 chips. Although the Krait has more similarities to the A15 architecture, the die size of the Exynos is a major advantage, leaving them in almost the same level of power usage and performance core by core.

Why do you think that the S3, even having a quad core processor, and a SAMOLED screen performed slightly better at 3g browsing than the AT&T One X? Yes, if the S4 HOX had the same battery it would have had a better performance, but guess what, it does not have it. The S4 and the old Adreno GPU it comes with are bad at memory management. That's the reason why the AT&T HOX has bad multitasking, lag in the launcher and lag while browsing. And it's also the reason why the SGS3 in the Japanese market, which comes with a S4 has 2gb of RAM.

Krait is good, but it's not that good. The S4 Pro with the new Adreno will, hopefully solve these problems and, again hopefully, be in the Hayabusa.

And reading "quad cores are not used right now so they are useless, a waste"...

I feel sorry for Sony for not thinking in the future.
[Xperia Z General] Readler:
So, this makes him legit?! :confused:

@Lucasm93

I think Sony doesn't have to think in the future when the majority of smartphones users changes their phone after one to two years (or when their contract's running out). And for the coming two years, a Dual-Core Krait is enough imo. As you said, it's nearly on par with the current quads and Sony optimizes their software very well (Xperia S with Snapdragon S3 vs. that one HTC with S3).

Though I'm hoping for a S4 Pro, too. THAT would make the Hayabusa the fastest current phone I guess. But unknown said that there won't be a S4 Pro :D
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
This Apple "problem" is actually quite telling case of "future proofing" (or the lack of it).

Early on apple made (an implicit) promise: things like display resolution are as they are and will never change. The developers said "great" and actually became dependent on it. Because it is so much easier, the same resolution, the same format.

And mocked those poor Android developers because of their "fragmentation" shortcoming.

Then came ipad with a different resolution. What apple did? The only thing they could: iphone apps were displayed in a small window in the middle of the screen. Or just scaled 2x.

Ok, in case of iphone->ipad that "incompatibility" actually made sense as it pushed developers to actually redo the applications. Which is the "problem" with Android, because the applications "automagically" do look more or less useable on tablets, so the developers do not quite feel the urge to do something immediately.

But the time moved and the iphone/ipad resolution was getting "inadequate". What did apple do? The only thing they could without breaking all of the apps: they autmatically scaled everything 2x. And spun that as the best thing after sliced bread, although technically it was an overkill. The iphone4 display would be as beautiful as it is with less pixels. And consume much less power.

Then came ipad3. They also couldn't do anything else, but scale 2x. Except by doing this they were forced to really push limits and got themselves serious problems. Like the GPU was suddenly required to be 4 times as quick, you need 4 times as much graphical memory, wider buses and your display is 4 times more opaque, so you need adequately more powerful LED's to compsensate. And bigger batteries. Just to retain their previous performance.

Anyway, the thing is, all of this was not necessary. The ipad3 could have just like a 1.5x bigger resolution and optically it would be exactly as stunning as it is now. But with less weight, with a CPU/GPU not running as hot, with brighter display, longer lasting batteries, cheaper, thinner and so on. But they just could not because of their previous decisions.

But this is totally different kind of "future proofing" problems.

Btw, it remains interesting what apple will do with their iphone5. If they enlarge the display, they will be forced to make the phone wider. Or if they change the display side ratio then they will break (and "fragment") their applications. Or they will need to resort to some "system bar" which will use up that additional place until the apps will catch up.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It's never really been said out loud, but he's implied that he works for Sony, or at least a partner. His information has always been accurate. If there is anyone to trust on Sony (Ericsson) matters, it's unknown13x.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
:p My bad mate.

Ya know, Sony has been giving out hints the past week. Check their poll questions, it'll give the biggest hint on what features are coming :D and I wonder which Sony phones have that feature...I've spoken too much. :p
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Which polls???
[Xperia Z General] LORELAI89:
All i am waiting for is the internation version of xperia GX.

@Question is there going to be any difference in size and specs,apart from not having lte???
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Seems so, the weight are different. Though I doubt it's from the LTE portion, more like the weight from different materials.
[Xperia Z General] 1Learning:
All those definitely are valid points to consider - but that is part of my point, these are things that a consumer would (or more like probably should) consider when making an informed decision on what to get; the number of cores is a valid point to consider (and consumers should understand what the trade-offs are and so on). Granted, off the top of my head, it is mostly games that use all that power - though who knows what will happen in the future? Generally speaking, if you are only using your phone to surf the web, play the occasional game, maybe watch a 720p or lower movie, make phone calls, and so on then you might not need the most powerful phone out there other than for bragging rights. But this is part of the overall decision scale that each consumer should make, e.g. what they need the phone for, what they would like to use the phone for, and what is important to them.

Agreed, while having those extra cores does consume additional power, the battery life of the SIII is still pretty good. So would its battery endurance be better if they had put in a dual core with the rest of the phone being the same? Probably. But my point in the usability is that even with a quad-core, it still lasts for what is considered a pretty good time (for a smartphone).
[Xperia Z General] samuel109:
Waterproof?
[Xperia Z General] samuel109:
Is it water proof?
[Xperia Z General] Readler:
There's no feature I could care less :p
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Hints, Poll? Which Poll do you mean? The only poll I found was this

http://www.facebook.com/questions/10150926169218390/

What's the most important thing to you when buying a smartphone?

"Durability -Style - Water resistance - Scratch-proof screen"

Different materials? I thought the Hayabusa would look like the GX? :confused:

It seems that the Hayabusa is going to be pretty different from the GX
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Why not? And judging performance just by the core count is plain right? :)

Of course, but not because of cores. It is because of its brand name and marketing which is getting more and more similar to that of apple. Not necessary a bad thing.

By the way, USofA will get the S3 with dualcore and nobody will complain.

Actually no. If you look at something like linpack (which depends on core performance and not the GPU or similar other things), S3 has no chance.

And it does not matter that S4 has a modified A9. This is exactly the point - they had more wiggle room to play with it. And it actually paid off.

RAM has nothing to do with it. Phones aren't constrained by the RAM and won't be in the foreseeable future.

As for the bad memory management, would be interesting to know what exactly do you mean by it.

They actually think in the future. But phone with Tegra3 (there are no other quads on the market) today does make something future proof just because it is quadcore.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It made good sense to double up the resolution, but it has indeed left Apple in a bit of a mess. Will the iPhone 5 double up? Seems now that it might not, but rather extend in length and create a new aspect ratio. If so, I wonder how developers will cope with that - as the assets aren't just doubled up in resolution (or scaled) but possibly need to be re-done completely.

Realistically, Apple is now stuck. It absolutely cannot double up again for the next iPad (or the one after, as we'd expect the next iPad to still have the same screen resolution) and I'm not sure how much it can do with the iPhone.

LG has shown off a 5-inch panel with 1920x1080 (but many years ago, Sharp mad a 640x480 panel that was just 1-inch). However, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD!

Rest assured though, Samsung will have its iPad-beating display in a tablet later this year, and will have its next generation quad-core chip too.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Please tell it is heavier. And that due to the bigger battery. Or those cute bunnies will suffer!
[Xperia Z General] japjit100:
I m going for z1

I think in India it available in 15 days

Price will be 45000 rupees

Today I m selling my htc one
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I agree with you!

And what is more said is the fact that what you ask (and I) is already present in the Note 3!

I know it's a different category, at least it was, but with the new Z1 dimensions it's not that far way!

Sony to improve battery and the hardware needed to go big and heavy while Samsung goes the opposite way.

I know that Z1 is waterproof and that might have something to do with that but I think it's not all because of the waterproofing.

If you see Note 3 has a bigger battery (3200mAh vs 3000mAh), higher dimensions, much bigger screen (5.7" vs 5.0") and about the same thickness…and it weights less than the Z1 (168g vs 170g). It's a very small difference but it's there!

On the top of that it has 32GB on board memory (at least), 3GB of Ram, the fastest S800 iteration (2.3GHz), 13MP camera (worst than the Z1 I think) with 4k video recording, USB 3.0 and it even has room for the S-Pen inside. Not to mention the Android 4.3.

Like I said the Z1 waterproofness might have something to do with that but I think Sony needs to make more effort in this department.
[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
that's true, almost anything I wish for is already present in the Note 3! However, the Note 3 is even bigger and I don't even like the size of the Z1, at least not the screensize-dimension ratio.

Also, it's not waterproof and I'm not buying a non-waterproof phone anymore. Lastly, it's not a Sony and I don't like the Note's boring design.

This time, Sony is again showing the Z1 being used in and under water, similar to the Z were models were using it in the swimming pool and such. But then, they tell you not to bring the phone near water...I wonder if it will be the same with the Z1 and if the lifted back plate is no longer a problem like with the Z.

Maybe, this whole "don't dunk the micro usb, micro sd port etc. into water" from the user manual is a big misunderstanding...Maybe they only mean, not to dunk the phone into water WHILE the flaps are open, as the phone is not internally protected against water but only through the flaps?! And if these are open, by accident or intentionally, water gets in and damages the phone!
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Agree !!

I need these things:

1. 5.3-5.5" edge to sdge screen, better than HTC, bezels size should be less.

2. S-Master Audio Chip.

3. Xenon Flash.

4. IR Blaster.

5. Battery 4000, m ok with thickness.

6. Camera same as Z1 with button.

7. 3-4 GB RAM, ppl say 2Gb more than enough, out of my 2gb only 600mb remains free.

8. Muti-window - cm'on Sony you can improve on software tweaks as well.

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] japjit100:
If you compare to note 3 don't have 20 mp camera and waterproofing both gave its plus points

4k is useless now because 4k tv is too expensive now

If we compare note 3 camera to z1 camera you can get big difference in quality

Note 3 have 3 ram because it have too many multitasking features see this video http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUbSIkCM-rM&desktop_uri=/watch?v=iUbSIkCM-rM

Don't compare with note 3

compare with LG G2 or Samsung galaxy s4
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
lol why is everybody upset about no 4k video recording? do you own a 4k tv? no! :eek:
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Like I said before I know it is suppose to be different categories…but are they?

Sony uses a lot of space for that screen size! LG G2 has a 5.2" display and it's smaller and a LOT lighter.

Let's compare:

Z1 vs. G2

Dimensions: 144 x 74 x 8.5 mm - 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm

Weight: 170g - 143g

Z1 vs. Note 3

Dimensions: 144 x 74 x 8.5 mm - 151.2 x 79.2 x 8.3 mm

Weight: 170g - 168g

So if we see the difference in lenght between Z1 and G2 is 5.5mm and between Z1 and the Note 3 is 7.2mm. The Z1 is almost in the middle.

And if you go to the weight category is on Note 3 one! It's even heavier…

The waterproof and the camera are better and a big plus, but are they really a decisive factor over a big difference in hardware specs?

I'm a proud owner of a Z for the last 6 moths and I love my phone but the reality is that the waterproof so far was more a showoff than a feature it self. Design wise hands down to the Z and the Z1, for me they are perfect and probably the most hesitant factor for me between the too…that and the TW that I don't like very much!

But I can't ignore all the hardware differences…

5.7" screen, 3200mAh battery, 4k video, 1080p at 60fps and 720p @ 120fps (slow motion), 3GB Ram, 2.3Ghz S800, 24bit 192khz audio chip, 32GB of internal memory, IR port, USB 3.0, Android 4.3

This list is way bigger (and more important for me) than the waterproof and 20.7MP camera! The fact is, I already have a Sony SLT camera :p

And even if I better photos on my phone I can buy later a QX lens.

The size is very big in the Note but the fact is that the Z1 is in the middle with a smaller screen and a heavy weight. If you consider all the disadvantages for the same price it's hard to decide.

The rational decision (if size don't matter) is the Note, but I love Sony and the Z1!

Let see how it goes in the end of the month :)

---------- Post added at 01:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:00 PM ----------

It's not the fact that is essential but it's a feature and it's a plus over the competition.

And if you have a Retina Macbook Pro like me you might not see the full video resolution but you can definitely appreciate the extra pixels on the video ;)
[Xperia Z General] samven582:
any word on a US release date?
[Xperia Z General] japjit100:
Note 3 is not comparison with z1

Note 3 have 5.7 inch screen but only have 3200mAh battery

Z1 have 5.0 inch screen with 3000mAh battery

Screen size matters in battery life

I also have nikon j1 but don't carry all the time with me

In Dimensions g2 looks good but it have own problems like power and volume button on back

If you playing tample run on G2 your bottom of hand touch to screen all the time

If we talk about weight not a problem for me
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Hey guys, I said I was going to see the phone today and test out the speaker.

Sadly, I couldn't take it outside to a quiet place - but did get to take into a corner.

Here's the unscientific video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq_KljVm87w

To be honest, it's still not great. It's no HTC BoomSound and it distorted a bit at full volume, but I guess you'd have it lower than this at home or in an office!

One thing though; in the hand, it feels thinner. Yes, I have no idea how that works - but it feels really nice in the hand, and the phone doesn't feel bigger (even though it clearly is).
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Sony is not the best in optimizing consumptions ether, unfortunately. I have to wait to see results.

But the fact is Note 2 is one of the best phones in terms of battery life and Samsung said during the presentation that the battery is improved.

One of the graphics showed an improvement from 11h to 14h of video playback between Note 2 and Note 3.

You don't know how much efficient is AMOLED vs Triluminos (IPS?) panel.

Lets wait and see the results ;)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
And here are some photos taken from the Z1. Again, I couldn't take the phone outdoors - but this is what it's like in low light.

Bear in mind they've been reduced by vBulletin!

(This is out of focus, but it's worth noting that I did attempt to focus - so perhaps it can't quite lock on in low-light)
[Xperia Z General] dohanotoha:
Arc is one of the most beautiful mobiles Sony ever made. Wish they can make something similar in the future.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
And finally, a quick screen test as I am sure you all want to know what it's like when NOT viewed straight on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXuiJi8OLUI
[Xperia Z General] zyxel25:
the picture you attached is xperia z right?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
That's my Z on top of the Z1.
[Xperia Z General] knightpt:
Thanks for the post m8.

Not amazing viewing angles but miles ahead of xperia Z, i'm sure it will stop being a complaint for the fans.
[Xperia Z General] Purehazard:
$700 will solve that.

http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE50UY04-50-Inch-120Hz/dp/B00BXF7I9M
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Last two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7F7E2JIIY&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rn_Ag5APy4&feature=youtu.be

I've not edited them or done anything to compete with The Verge etc!
[Xperia Z General] japjit100:
I never take china tv
[Xperia Z General] Fluxman:
How are the ergonomics? I played with the Z before and found the lip bit into my hand a lot. Does the Z1 have more rounded edges? Is it smoother there or still bite in?