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[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
http://translate.google.nl/translat...2e72-f57b-410f-92d0-44d78c187561.html&act=url

What I don't it the picture of the front, where are the onscreen buttons?
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
look at the Wallpaper XPERIA ION ???

perhaps the ION in EUROPE with S4 SOC is the Hayabusa?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Very unlikely
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
This isn't a real device. It's just a mock-up/"toy phone". Some shops are using fake-phones for displaying.

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Nope. Ion is definitely using a S3 SoC and won't be Hayabusa.

Just take a look at the ports, Hayabusa/GX has no HDMI port, but MHL, where as Ion has a micro HDMI port. And Ion has a 12.1 MP camera, whereas Hayabusa has 13.1 MP. I think we can stop this discussion about an S4 Ion.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
It's a fake device for shop displays.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
It would mean, Sony in essence will release a tad bigger Xperia S and charge 500 Euros for it.

For a 2011 phone. Good luck with that.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
it's sad that a shop has to display fake device to attract customer?

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more like XSL
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
A friend of mine is running a phone shop in Germany and he displays fake phones along with real ones. The fake ones are only displayed at the shop window. Placing real devices there is too risky due to theft.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
what I mean was that displaying photos of real device is fine, but displaying photos of a mocked up device to excited people is probably not...
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
:good:
[Xperia Z General] hydenobuyuki:
I've played with the Xperia GX at length several times.

Demo units have been available for well over a month now plus the final production hardware has also been available for about a week and a half or so. Every major electronics chain across the nation has the final production hardware versions on display (although the software may not yet be final -- the software builds between the original demo units and the newer ones are different with a lot of improvements/optimizations)

Demo units say Xperia across the top front and Sony across the bottom front.

It has the SE Energy Ball and the word Xperia on the back.

The production units are largely the same except that instead of saying Xperia across the top, it has carrier + network branding (ntt docomo xi)

I posted photos of the demo units here

https://plus.google.com/u/0/110103693044537498547/posts/aSrHoXqdTgi

and more importantly xperiablog has far more and far better photos if you want to see what the back of the Xperia GX looks like, whether they have the SE energy ball or not, etc.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/06/26/xperia-gx-and-xperia-sx-hands-on-photos/

xperiablog's "hands on photos" gallery is identical to the carrier branded versions

Addendum:

Also, in Japan it's common for shops to display both fake and real devices.

The fake ones are for you to get a sense of how big it is, the colours, how it feels in your hand, the weight of it, etc.

There are more customers than real phones so this allows customers to get some hands on time with it before they get their hands on time with the real devices.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Sony announced a new Android 4.0 Walkman with Tegra 2 and a 3.5" screen. It ships in a couple of days across Europe. No US release date yet, it may not even be released there.

It's going to be one Sony's final mobile devices not released under the Sony Mobile Communications banner. It's basically the same as the last Walkman Z, but with a slightly smaller screen and Android 4.0.

It also confirms that the "Z" moniker is going to be Sony's high end brand. I think the Mint will be branded Xperia Z, and once Sony get serious about tablets they will release a Tablet Z. The Xperia Mint/Z is going to be Sony's first really competitive phone available across all US carriers, and I think next year's Tablet will be branded with the Z and come with a huge advertising campaign. Not only that but I think the Z/S/P/U branding will be carried forwards and we will get an Xperia S2, P2 and U2(!) while the rest of the line will be dropped. Anyway, that last bit is just conjecture, but I know that Sony are streamlining their product portfolio all over the group and I think this is the final year where Sony will release so many SKUs. I know that they are looking at the Apple model for the long term, fewer products with higher quality and higher margins.

So my theory is the Xperia Z series as the high end for H2, then Xperia S series as the high end for H1 while the P series and U series will be released mid year to compete in the middle ranges. I think Sony's first quad core phone will be the Xperia Z2 in H2 2013.
[Xperia Z General] :
Nice write-up. Your logic really makes sense here.

In addition, really looking forward for Hayabusa and Mint, but as everyone else I'm tired of this waiting game.

A BIT OFF TOPIC

I was even thinking to abandon Sony and get HTC One X or Samsung Galaxy SIII. I saw One X before, but went to the store to double check my initial impressions and nothing has really changed..looks like a nice phone, but not the one I'd like to get. Tegra 3 is also a turn-off for me. Another phone on the list was SGSIII. Design wise it's decent. Front looks kind of ugly, but looking at the back and its sides it's quite OK. Nothing too attractive though. All plastic construction has advantage of being light. However, major turn-off for me was screen. I compared it to Xperia S one and I just can't understand how it's possible to look at SIII's screen everyday and not see that horrible bluish tint all over, especially on the whites. I checked two units and both of them looked the same. Maybe you can change, I don't know, but as far as I know it's the "quality" of these AMOLED screens. Anyway, if it's the way it is, then it's mind blowing how this phone can get scores of 9-10 by reviewers. Nobody cares what kind of hardware you have in your phone if the screen is hardly bearable to watch at. All these reviews doesn't feel right to me.

Anyone feels the same?
[Xperia Z General] waynekirby:
100%

Touchwiz is the ugliest Android UI I've ever seen, and I've seen JoyOs :rolleyes: and sense is the most cluttered and useless Android UI even though it does have some (and I mean just some) nice looking widgets, and the build quality of Samsung is a turnoff too... just my opinion :)
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
You are right that Samsungs quality sucks.

Galaxy S III build quality woes continue, users report cracked framing

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Xperia GX goes through federal inspection, is still the Sony phone we want

The highlight of the federal-sanctioned autopsy of the Xperia GX reveals an interesting point; a pentaband 3G radios capable of HSPA speeds, something that's still a rarity among global smartphones.

Global phone?
[Xperia Z General] waynekirby:
My friend has one and it doesn't interest me at all the SGS3 :)

Hope so because I'm sick of putting off getting a new phone, still love my Neo and always will but dam I can get one now but I want GX!!!
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
where is my GX or mint? 3+3months away?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Hayabusa and/or Mint are most likely going to be presented in Berlin (IFA - 31.8 - 5.9.2012). Assuming that shipping will start a few weeks after announcement, the device(s) should be available sometime in October.

At the same event Samsung will showcase the Galaxy Note 2 and HTC is rumored to show its H2 line up with a Quad Core Phone with 2GB RAM as their "Flagship" device. I doubt that SMC will get enough attention at IFA.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Ifa plus 2 months:-)
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
that's why the 3+3 months away;)
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
Sony LT29i ‘Hayabusa’ passes through the FCC

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/20/sony-lt29i-hayabusa-passes-through-the-fcc/#more-8470
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Same news from 1 page ago, just another source. But, anyway, I will probably be able to touch that phone by December, if I'm lucky

Sent from my LT26i with Tapatalk 2
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
November?! Wow, that's a long time. I'm glad that I stopped waiting for GX :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
The LT29i will be available two weeks after it is announced. Same goes for the MINT.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
speculation or source?
[Xperia Z General] huntedsoul:
+1 :)
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
No its not. According to Harold de Kort it takes 2 months tops from announcement to store
[Xperia Z General] LUCA LUCA:
Its such a pity, Sony has a mobile company is not very good. Every phone they release is nice, the specs are good but only compared to "a year" mobile from another manufacturer.

Was really looking forward for the SX, but by the time they came out, they are already to outdated.
[Xperia Z General] CAmmon:
Since it went through the American FCC, will it be available in America? Or will there need to be an lt29a?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It has a pentaband radio, which means that the LT29i might be sold unlocked through the Sony online store.

I also don't believe the 2 week announcement to retail price. There are very, very few manufacturers who can pull off a stunt like that.
[Xperia Z General] georgesmh:
that's it.. i got really bored from all this.. i'm getting the acro s (it will be released in my country soon) or the xperia SL.. the hayabusa isn't really worth the wait anymore.. my galaxy s is driving me nuts!
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
this happens when you try to predict future : )
[Xperia Z General] sirbrian:
I agree fully with you too...I will be getting the Acro S or the Ion one they're available in my country. I too can't wait anymore as I am about to place my SGS on the road so that a bus can go over it...at the same time I can test the Otterbox case:p
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
phone in a case?

http://www.abee.co.jp/Product/mobile_accessory/aluminum_jacket/XJ04/index.html
[Xperia Z General] :
In case someone missed:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/22/first-sony-lt29i-hayabusa-pictures-leaked/

Any comments? Doesn't look too appealing to me. Hopefully in a flesh it will look much better as it was with Xperia S.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Why does it say Sony Ericsson and not just Sony?
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Early prototype...
[Xperia Z General] MrPhilo:
Not this time, its the same CPU as some other phone but features the Adreno 320 (Hopefully).
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Based on the rumors from GSM arena it is the Adreno 320
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Xperia Acro S, Ion, LT29i
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
assuming this is from you, what is the battery life for each phone?
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
LT29i leaked Pictures that means the International GX version exist :D

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/22/first-sony-lt29i-hayabusa-pictures-leaked/
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
That was confirmed a long time ago with the UAProf of lt29i
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
NenaMark2 results for LT30p
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
It is not going to the Pro version, it will be the standard fare MSM8960 that other manufacturers have been using for ages. Sony are only behind by 4-5 months, it's an improvement because they were around 10 months behind for dual core. It is still not good enough, they need to get developing faster.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
New Sony LT25c handset on the horizon; likely to be China exclusive

WT****** another handset !!! :(
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
Cmon guys

It's only about the processor, they are still leading in other factors:

-XS has the Highest PPI screen

-XS, Ion and Hayabusa both have "beasty" camera 12~13Mpx

Sony are good with optimizing hardware and software, I've tried the XS, its great and quite fast

I think the problem with Sony is their Marketing department-> they need to spend more resources on Advertising and spending for Gadget site like SS to create hype for their products

And their pricing seem to be weird for me, first launch with a very high very and the price reduce too fast in just months, that's prevent ppl from buying their phone in the 1st month, cuz most (maybe all =.=) of the price of their Xperia devices went down too fast and most ppl know about it

It seem like a traditional trend of SE.....
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
The Pro version is not intended to be used in phones. As of now, there is nothing better on the market other than the MSM8960 that Sony could use.

S4 Prime is the smart TV platform that includes the MPQ8064 1.5GHz quad-core CPU with Adreno 320 graphics, while S4 Pro processors are ready to be the brains of Windows RT tablets, laptops and tablet / laptop combos. S4 Plus is the high-end smartphone experience we've come to associate with the Snapdragon brand, and finally S4 Play for more entry level mobile devices.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Indeed. I don't see what the problem is though, the Pro version is for tablets. If LG want to stuff it into a phone and watch people complain when their phones run out of battery in 3-4 hours then that's their problem. My complaint is that Sony should also look at ST-E's more advanced chipsets, the U8500 is decent, and now they should look at L9540 as well and the A9600 for 2013, this obsession with Qualcomm has not served Sony well as they have given HTC preferential treatment since they made their investment.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
The Nova A9600 2.5 GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 will be the first ST-E SoC based on the A-15 architecture but it will not include any wireless radio technology. It is expected to release sometimes in 2013.

On the other side Qualcomm will have the MSM8974 quad core Krait clocked at up to 2.5GHz ready to go in Q1 of 2013 with wireless radio technology.

The ST-E chipsets are based on A-9 architecture and the Qualcomm chips are based on A-15 architecture. It would be a step backward for Sony to go from a A-15 to A-9 architecture.

In my opinion Sony cannot go wrong with using the Qualcomm SoC in the Xperia phones because they are all based on A-15 architecture and include wireless radio technology on the same chip.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
Qualcomm Adreno (TM) 225 :confused:

maybe some other cpu like ST or TI would be better
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
ST-E, like Qualcomm, also provide integrated modems on a single package, don't be surprised if the A9600 becomes the L9600 and they integrate an LTE modem, I think the reason they haven't is because the modem isn't 32nm yet. Once they get the design sorted there will be no reason not to integrate the chip onto the same die.

Not only that, but Krait is not A15, it has some features of A15, but it is not A15. Krait is Qualcomm's shortcut to beat Nvidia, TI and ST-E to the market by launching an incomplete product. In 2013 when A15 actually hits the gulf will be quite big and Krait goes all the way to 2015.

What's more is that Sony will still have to deal with Qualcomm's favouritism towards HTC. I know Sony put in a huge order for MSM8960 towards the middle of last year but Qualcomm but said they wouldn't be able to supply that much quantity until Q3, and yet HTC were able to launch the One X LTE and the One S both with Krait hardware inside in early May.

The only way Sony move ahead of HTC in the market (they are currently neck and neck) is to go to a different SoC design, I think ST-E makes for a good fit as not many phones use them and they have moved to PowerVR meaning that iOS games can be ported easily and be made compatible with Sony devices. It doesn't have to be them, Nvidia are integrating the modem at 28nm with Grey.

Anyway, I don't see why the modem needs to be integrated, Apple have never done it and they seem to get on just fine despite the 4S being very powerful the battery life isn't bad.

I just don't see Qualcomm as a good long term bet for Sony, not as long as they are in bed with a direct competitor and supply is scarce. Better to go to someone else. I think they will and by H2 2013 they will have a quad core device out, not from Qualcomm and it will compete with HTC very effectively. I wouldn't be surprised if they repurposed the Vita SoC at 32nm once Toshiba have enough supply, it's not like they sell a lot of Vita units...
[Xperia Z General] raytraceme:
Honestly I am really tired of the s4. It's on every frigin device. Plus it's audio quality is poop, and it has a ****ty gpu. Sony has a good partnership with ericsson so why not use it to their advantage?
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Isn't there a 8960T with better GPU?

I've heard talk of the next iPhone being based on the same S4, rather than the Exynos I've seen mentioned other places.

I'm going to assume battery life is the new area to focus, the talk if the new iPhone screen being thinner and more efficient, coupled with an S4, integrated modem will help again.

Maybe GX will use whitemagic coupled with the S4. I think they want this to perform better on the battery.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Apple use a custom design in their iDevices, they are a tier one ARM licencee. Apple will make the jump to A15 in the next iPad. iPhone 5 is set for A5x.

A thinner screen has no bearing on battery life, Apple are trying to reduce the weight and thickness.

We already know that the GX doesn't use Whitemagic screens since Sony have told people that the technology is currently limited to 960x540, I'm sure the 2013 devices will sport HD Whitemagic screens, but for now 960x540 is the limit.
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Sorry, I meant that new Sharp LCD thing ( IZGY or something...) that allows more light through, but also happens to be thinner.

I was always under the impression Apple's chips were more like rebadged OEM, the A4 basically a Hummingbird from Samsung etc.

I'd never seen a mention of the Whitemagic limit. The P screen is pretty good, doesn't really seem to suffer lack of saturation, but blacks aren't as good.

Still, I hope Sony are taking battery more seriously now!
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I wasn't really blown away by the White Magic screen on the Xperia P. I really wouldn't be bothered either way if a phone had it or not.

I'm quite happy with the stupidly high PPI of the Xperia S screen, even though the Galaxy S III (when you go into settings and turn down the stupidly high saturation set by default) has probably the nicest screen I've seen on a phone of late.

Even that hasn't got me wanting the Samsung over a Sony, for a multitude of reasons.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
No, Apple now design their own SoC and then farm out production to Samsung or another foundry like TSMC.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro (APQ8064) MDP benchmarks blow away the competition
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Sony is holding a pre-IFA event on August 29 in Berlin. Hayabusa and Mint on the horizon?!
[Xperia Z General] Dr.Gonzo105:
Thats quadcore s4
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Ladies and gentlemen: welcome the new Xperia mint aka LT30p

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile-review.com%2Freview%2Fsony-lt30p-mint.shtml&act=url

If link does not work, point your favorite website translation service to the http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sony-lt30p-mint.shtml
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
HOLY ****!
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
are you kidding me?

my personal opinion. but that looks crap, the bottom doesnt match the phone. its like they just took the GX design and pushed it out a bit and call it LT30 Mint.

i guess im getting the GX or wait for the 2013 ones.
[Xperia Z General] Crocodile1973:
Have to agree also
[Xperia Z General] huntedsoul12:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/26/sony-lt30p-mint-fully-unveiled-and-previewed/
[Xperia Z General] Surethom:
Power button

Dont like the position of the power button it seems way to low on the phone, holding a mobile phone in the hand the power button should be above the middle of the phone. People at Sony much have midget hands.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Hmm...so this is Sonys H2 flagship? It looks looks like a KIRF Hayabusa/GX, has the same specs like GX, but no removable battery. So why would someone prefer this over Hayabusa?

With the Pro version of S4 and 2GB RAM Mint could get some attention, but with these specs and design and the assumption that it will be priced over 500€ (S3, HOX price level) it won't sell well.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I would see a non-removable battery as advantage, as it allows for more solid, durable and compact body. I won't buy any extra batteries anyway, to me it is too much hassle to lug them around, recharge etc.

I am not sure, but it could be, that this phone has a WhiteMagic display which would mean much better outdoor visibility and lower battery consumption. Of course, it is entirely unclear how big the battery is. Sony is a japanese company, so it would not surprise me at all if they cut the battery to something like 1500mAh or so only to get it 0.5mm thinner and 5 gramms lighter. Japan is a very strange place....
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Yeah the article mentioning white magic was interesting. If true, then it means Sony has overcome the limitation on the tech that was mentioned months ago and now build larger sized displays.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I doubt it has white magic display.
[Xperia Z General] georgesmh:
i don't understand what's the difference between the LT29i (Hayabusa) and the LT30p (Mint) ? Both have the snapdragon S4 processor, the 13 MP camera, the 4.6" screen, 16GB storage.. since when sony releases 2 phones that have the same specs, only different design, at the same time ?
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Mint might have a white magic display. Plus do we know if hayabusa and or mint might support LTE? That might be another difference.
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
I doubt this is the final product of Mint... (i don't really like the design compare to the Hayabusa :<)

Its a good thing that they reduce the bezel size on the top

But the bottom is still the same =.=

It makes the phone look unsymmetrical :< why don't they just reduce the size of both the top and the bottom part?

I hope that this device is still a prototype, and the final product will look better than this one :D
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
It would have rather serious usability issues as it would make the one handed usage much less comfortable. So, it is actually a good thing, that the phone bottom was not reduced.

On the other hand, the phones are not supposed to be vertically symmetrical.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
I'm very curious what u13x has to say about the pics in comparisment with the real thing. On the other hand:

He said that the mint is thicker, but according to the specs the Mint isn't. So I don't know if u13x is talking about the same device.
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
It know its very hard to access to the Notification Bar with big screen

however, they can fix it by changing the Gesture that bring up the Notification Bar

Instead of sliding from the top to the bottom, why don't they just slide it from the Left to the Right side or opposite?

I think i would be easier to use it with big screen phone :D (For one hand usage :))
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Maybe they will announce the global version next month. I heard something about June 19th (CommunicAsia2012?!?) Anyway tomorrow is just a carrier event with hopefully some "extensive" hands on time.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
1 hour left..

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
more pictures on Xperia GX and SX

it doesnt seem like it has matte white coating on it. :l and tbh it looks weird. lol

http://gigazine.net/news/20120516-xperia-gx-so-04d/

http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/088/88946/

and it seems like the GX does have a micro SD card slot !!

http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/089/89050/
[Xperia Z General] take55:
thepictures with the removed back cover reveal a sd-card slot! :)

I am looking forward to pics with a size-comparison with the Xperia S...