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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] androidobsessed:
From my perspective I feel as though the vast majority of the time I have virtually no reason to post.

This is usually because of one of the following:

a- someone else has asked a question that I do not have the answer to, not that I'm a n00b but do not know or I would rather leave it up to the real devs to deal with it;

b- I would just be either flaming someone for asking a stupid question or leave a stupid question unanswered because some things should just be figured out by yourself; or

most importantly

c- if i have a question or some other issue I can search for it or spend time reading through many posts because there are enough people and knowledgeable people around here that at this point my question or any sort of problem has already been answered, or at least the question has already been asked so there is no reason to spam the same questions over and over.

so just always remember before you make a possibly redundant post there are plenty of us sitting back and reading because usually that is all you need to do
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mmtrago:
What gives you the right to post? You're not a mod either. Also, basically everything he said was correct.

good one..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
Wasn't supposed to be. The logic is sound.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Biporch:
Lol, did you really had to made this useless post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
Someone had to outline it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Biporch:
**** has been outlined in almost every single thread I have look into.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] elherr:
Sir, you are absolutely correct. I've been using these forums as a resource for years but I believe this is my first post. Even when I did not find the EXACT information I was looking for, I was always gaining knowledge. Without understanding the system you are working on, one dramatically increases the possibility of bad outcomes when altering said system.

My thanks to all who have contributed to the knowledge base here in the forums!

Cheers,

Edward
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
Let me respectfully disagree with your disagreenement( is that word right?).

Sorry again about my poor english and a lack of a dictionary since ive changed the main language here on the phone.

What you intent to do is all or nothing to the noob. Or a guy become an expert or keep a noob and dont do nothing.

People just want to know the basics.

A noob is not an idiot. He know about the warranty!!!

People have life. Im 37 and i work 12 hour a day. There is no need to any regular user to become an expert.

Im here just cuz i like to learn instead of watch tv. I dont watch tv for 5 years...

But there are people that likes tv and dont have time at all and wants a better phone.

Ill soon get tired of android and migrate to another subject.

Probably a ssd triple raid will be my next step on my learning since im more a hardware guy and thats why i dont want to know everything about all this stuff.

My sugestion is, do a better stickie or do a new forum section to noobs questions. There are a lot of people( not devs) to answer this questions for free. Just build and they will come.

Cya
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
Ratus, you sound like you think you are owed something by this forum. It is this sense of entitlement that pisses many people off. The forum doesn't give a rat's ass how many hours you work or whether you "have a life." You're no more worthy of skipping the established protocols than anyone else in here. Again, this is NOT the help desk. It is a self-service repository of information. You are welcome to come in, learn all you can and ocassionally ask for help, but you do it on the forum's terms, not your own. Once again, no one is paid to be here, so you are depending on the kindness of others for whatever you get from this forum. Users need to be respectful and grateful, not demanding and entitled with expctations they are owed something. No one is owed anything in here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dandrumheller:
Except that I owe you a thanks Miami! where have you been? I've missed you :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dandrumheller:
I'm not asking for an all or nothing proposition here. The information IS here, and many people CAN and DO find it. But I think that making it too easy is counter-productive. Requiring someone who knows nothing about Android or custom roms to spend some time learning before flashing might make that person better appreciate how much effort it actually takes to maintain a custom ROM that is available to the public.

everyone has a finite amount of resources...time, money, etc. if someone who wants a custom ROM on their phone isn't willing to respect the amount of time the developer put in to make that ROM available by doing some learning to get it, maybe that person should pay someone else, who does have the time, to install it.

FWIW, I'm 35, work 60+ hours a week in construction, and have a 3 year old daughter. Time is not one of my more plentiful resources, but keeping my phone running well is something I like to do...so I find the time. Usually while "pretending" to watch some TV show I could care less about with my wife :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] REOGrand:
My view on this. I was scared to even ask a question on here when I first started. Just from seeing all the flaming. I did search and search but that function doesnt always bring back the right result or you may have typed in a wrong word that could have brought up not found. There really isnt any good info in here for a noob. It took me hours of research and watching videos before I even posted a question. This being my first Andriod device I didnt have a clue. If I didnt have some type of computer knowledge I would have been lost. Did I need a step by step? No but it would have been nice. You guys were all new once too. Its like my boss told the other workers the day I hired in. Give him his chance because you all had it too! Now with that said. Im pretty sure the Etiquette went out the window a long time ago!!! If you disagree just read some of the posts in Tasks thread (as an example).Jump all over the person for asking a question?? Isnt helping anything. Im guilty of this too. I was just following a long. But personally I felt terrible for doing that. Its not me and never will be. This may be a dev forum but without some of the questions, this forum wouldnt be alive. Maybe it would be. Just a lot less people here. Personally Im glad I found this forum it does have a lot of knowledgeable people. That was exactly what I wanted and needed. Its just some people are more eager to help. Which I applaud you!!! One of my first questions I had to ask myself was why wasnt there a noobie sticky?? I think it would have put an end to some of the so called stupid questions. No It wont be me writing one. I cant even do paragraphs!!! BTW if you havent seen The Avengers yet. Do it!!!! Great movie. I went today to see it!!!!! Really lighten up!! Life is to short!!! :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
You are correct Miami but you are wrong in one point.

I didnt start 1 single topic in this forum. So, what are you talking about.

Im not the problem here im only talking about the problem.

The point to you both is people are different and have different priorities.

Thats it.

The forum is trying to change how people act and thats impossible.

You have to adapt.

And when i said to put a noob to do the stickies, i mean an android noob for sure but not a communication noob. 1 guy that know how to make it easy for noobs to read. And there is no need to be a dev to do that.

I must say most of the devs are a full noob in communication and thats absolutelly natural to be that way. Thats another job.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I'm really glad we could get some peoples opinions of how the forums are going, and the directions u believe it should be going in. I've seen several people say they were "scared to post for fear of being flamed. " and it forced them to do some searching. And reading. And learning. THAT ...is a positive thing. Not being scared, but searching for the information before even considering posting about it.

To end the debate about " noob faq's and noob guides"....the developers of these roms actually DO dumb it down for us a lot of the time. To be honest, Task and several others (most) go above and beyond to help by putting most vital info in the OP. Or linking to a FAQ/ original thread. As I said, I was a noobcake about all this stuff a year ago. I've also seen users of these forums take it upon themselves to write FAQ's for some of these ROMS.

I will give one point, and that's that information here CAN get a little cluttered sometimez, because of the amount of traffic and how big this site is. However, Google catalogs all that for us :-) remember, if u have a question, Google 9 times out of 10 can help. Using the search function here in unison with Google = loveliness.

Good luck all, happy flashing!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] wonner:
I think the biggest problem is laziness. The Captivate was my first Android device and I joined here just before I bought it. I knew absolutely nothing about Android and very little about computers in general. But when I first got here I read constantly, and once I got my Captivate I held off on doing anything until I had a general knowledge about what I wanted to do. I read all the important threads and even some less-than important ones. Once I felt comfortable, I proceeded within my limits. If I had a problem I researched it until I had it figured out. I think some people expect instant gratification. You want a noob guide? Go to Android Central. Like others said, this is a development forum. Developers aren't here to spoon-feed noobs, they're here to develop. You don't like it? GTFO.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] yahoowizard:
Well, I think he's outlining the fact that people are being sort of *****y towards the people looking for help (or just other people in general), not just the fact that people are blindly posting questions on here without looking up what they need to.

The people like these:

I'm not saying we should spoon feed people, but every thread with someone asking a "dumb" question doesn't need to be filled with 2-3 page rant on why the thread is useless. I understand that this in particular, is a development forum, but I've noticed that the other forums here, such as the Captivate forum, for example, is twenty times nicer than this one right here. 1 of every 5 threads wasn't being locked and people weren't just sitting there bashing on threads with people asking for help.

It's okay if you don't want to waste time on trying to help people who aren't doing any of the work, but spending a minute or two to write a hateful post is illogical (and unproductive) as opposed to just pointing them towards another existing thread which would take a few seconds (or just leave w/o posting anything to save ultimate time). Like people said, stuff is disorganized, and I've had enough time to go through a lot of the random threads to look up stuff (though I still haven't entirely found out what a bootloader is >.>). Yes, those people shouldn't be rooting their phone, etc. but on other forums, there's barely any help there compared to here and most of the answers just tell people to get rooted and a custom ROM and the works, at which point they end up here.

tl;dr This forum has a much different environment than the rest of XDA, don't randomly be flaming up people (let the mods take care of the useless threads), and have fun :)?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Gutterball:
The funniest part is when people are like " I had to go through pages and pages" lol most don't even realize there's a damn search box at the top and can search the thread for specific terms to see if it has been discussed before in the thread or not. So if you want to know about "overclocking" for example in the shostock thread. Go to the shostock thread and search that word and guess what good chance you"ll find it that way!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Karashta:
When I first started flashing custom firmware, I thought some of the devs were jerks for yelling at the noobs...but as I stalked the forums more and more I realized why they do. How many times can you hear the same five questions over and over and over and over before you finally just have zero tolerance for it? Especially since these devs do this basically for free/fun. Not to mention the fact that the first rule of fight club is search. And the second rule of fight club is search. And in case you missed it, the third rule is search! Yes, it can suck not to have the answer spoonfed to you...but they are under no obligation to answer anything. They owe you nothing! :end rant:

sent from my magic shiny box using the tap tap tap
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
On the contrary, the Captivate forum was extremely similar to this forum when it was 7 months old.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] shadow65781:
Haters gonna hate.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Twisted Z:
There are some very good replies here...and then the usual stupidity ;)

I made sure to thank those that at least try to get it. I have been here lurking and reading for many monthes and rarely post if at all. I read for monthes I was not lazy. I did not want to be spoon feed

How about this. for those of you who own cars. you are stuck on the side of the road using the directions to change your flat tire. The directions are very clear on what to do. First take out the jack place it here and jack up the car. next remove lug nut and tire.

How do you use the jack ;)

Like I said it is the little things people take for granted. I wore out the search functions and google for 18 hours and mostly for luck got my phone back to where I could at least use it the next day save for being rooted with Odin on it ;)

I was afraid to even ask a single question BUT I did find time to pass along what I found to another in the same boat. I did not flame him because I under stood his frustration.

For those who posted here with under standing helpful comments thank you. It is people like you who will keep this place going.

After all hit counters and return visits drive this place like any other I am sure. You drive the people away and soon you have nothing left
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
You are missing the point.

The thing is, even with the rule of fight club, people start noob topics.

Thats the problem.

Telling the rule wont avoid the problem since the problem is there with the rule.

Since i'm not a dev and i do not answer any question over here, thats no problem to me.

But to some people(moderators) thats a BIG problem.

To avoid that, i do sugest 2 things:

1- create a new forum area to noobs. Just to quick questions. Who will answer is regular users that has NO USE today. And they will do it for free, only for the thanks.

With that way the forum admin and some devs will have a lot less work to do.

2- Another option is to make a GOOD stickie. Everything is there, i know, but that is not what i call noobie friendly.

Another thing is that is a small info missing on those stickies. Sorry about my english here, small info i mean that some info is missing there. Not the main info, that is all there.

There are users/notDevs, under supervision, that can make it happen for you.

The problem here is visual. People dont see the rules. If see it, they dont read.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Rickyangelbr:
Bur theres only a problem, when the "newbee" wasnt really anewnie and had to post 10 times to make a good quastion on xda-developers forum...i think this process could be reviewed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
OK. Gonna get a little harsh. These forums were not made as a spoon feeding ground for users looking for a quick fix. If that's what yer here for, keep walkin. This place is about exciting that spirit of adventure inside u! Not to hold yer hand. Forum gives info, u search, gain knowledge.... win win.

Edit;: sorry to let those down who are used to my long thought out paragraphs. But I had a real rough tireing day today.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
Since Creepy and I both came through the Captivate forum around the same time, I can verify the veracity of his statement. This one will get nicer once the old timers move on to the next best thing in phones.

---------- Post added at 05:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:43 PM ----------

Sorry, I had a life for a brief moment and got busy. Won't happen again.:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] votinh:
That is NOT a good instruction, m8.

You know thing called "Changing flat tire for dummy's", right?

You've missed a whole lot of steps here.

First, pull over ................... to the right side.

Second, stop the car completely.

Next, turn off the engine, remove car key off the ignition.

Next, open the door.

Next, get out ........... side.

Then take out the jack.

No no, wait wait, I've missed a key point here too.

Get out -> go to the back of the car -> pop the trunk then take out the Jack.

LOL :D, can someone fill in the between? :D

J/K, m8

:beer:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pirateghost:
allow me to just drop this off here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I think what most of you guys are forgetting is... how important the Mods are and what we do to keep the forums from clogging up with s*it posts and threads. :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] howtomen:
Y U NO FIX ALL XDA AND CLEAN ALL THREAD EVERYWHERE AND KICK NEWBSS EVERYWHERE!>.<

Y U DO SUCH TERRIBLE JOB!>.<

jk man thanks :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] passtheknowledge:
Wish this was a perfect world people some are bright some are um ...well you know bleh :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SanityPreservation:
I am an admin in another forum and I agree with what some of you say about noobs needing to read and search and such. But please remember that not all noobs are idiots. Just because some of you have been here since the xda-forum started and know all threads by heart and knows what to search for when you need some info, not all do and the search engine is crap at times too. Your selfish behaviour drives people away. One particular comment is "search you noob" or similar. That makes my piss boil.

If the devs want a forum for them selves they should just stop helping people and close their precious forum to outsiders.

Some devs actually seem to think that they are doing mankind a service.

They are not. If they are such brilliant devs, why do people keep complaining about bugs and different features that doesn't work, eh?

Back to the issue about stickies and tutorials, why the hell can't you get someone who can speak and write in complete sentences to proof read the garbage some people post?

Utter unintelligible tosh sometimes.

Makes me wonder if that is why some devs can't get their roms working.

They can't write and spell for ****, so why should they be able to code properly?

Going back to my own playgrounds now.

You can have your forum and keep it too.

Bye.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AcmeWidgets:
I have to agree with this post. I've been off an on this site for about 5 years. I used to have a Windows Mobile 6.0 Tmobile Shadow. This site was valuable, and helped me enjoy my phone much better. This site has been open to anyone. Developers were always happy to help. I had a Blackberry Bold 9700 for two years and an Iphone. (Used the Blackberry 98% of the time.) Crackberry.com and various Iphone sites were helpful. My wife has had every Iphone since the first generation 2g, which I am responsible for keeping it running. During the time I had Blackberry and Iphone, Android passed me up. So I've to do some catch up. I've relied on this site to do just that. Everyone has been nice and helpful. I don't know Android OS from a developer's point of view. I understand it, and know how it works. I was a Math major in College. I know Mathematics, Football, Self defense, coaching, cars and a couple of other things. I often help others on these topics. I coach football, I tutor in Math, I give advice and help others fix cars. I used to coach wrestling and teach martial arts. I am more than glad to share my knowledge and talents.

Part of my point: Searching does not always work. One may not be sure of verbiage, or even what to ask. Give others the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes people do dogpile on others. It's kind of cowardly. You don't know this person, and just may not get smarmy to their face. What's the big dealio? Just answer the question! I just don't get the mentality of putting someone down, then someone else kicking someone when they're down. True sometimes one is egregious and it is obvious that they didn't even try to search. How about just PMing them instead of cowardly hiding behind the distance of the internet to put them down. If it bothers you so....then get a thicker skin, and stop being a sensitive drama queen. Life is not easy, and if that is the hardest thing for you; then you have a tough road ahead.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] lilbigdude1:
I'll have to agree with this post...I lurked and read for almost a year before I attempted to enter a forum and not sound completely stupid and for most trying to have a basic understanding on how my device works.

I've read most of the posts in the thread and some have valid points and others well just fell short. One thing I noticed was everyone is talking about thread posts and haven't mentioned anything about the constant pm's that are also received, maybe to Include emails and IM's that the devs receive. so I can understand the aggravation, because I'm one that hates to repeat myself 1000 times about the same thing that can be read in the op and FAQ areas.

Before attempting any custom ROM you need to read and reread.

sent from my shiny black box
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
To your first point, if they did that, mass hysteria would erupt as millions of people would no longer be able to freely leech off of others work. There are people with no post counts yet their accounts are active... because they search, read and find the answers for themselves without ever having to make one post. There are millions here, and millions would be lost if XDA closed their doors.

To your second point, If the Devs did not do a service to this place, XDA wouldnt exist. Well, it could, but it would be closed up (see my point above if this ever happened). The reason there are bugs is because the Devs take the time themselves to take the source code from Google or the phone manufacturer and make roms to work with all devices. Take Samsung for example, they release roms WITH bugs too, yet its considered "final". The Devs here make more stable and better roms than most manufacturers. Even Google has to send out updates because of bugs or improvements to the code.

So your point that you're trying to make is not only condescending, but its also hurtful to the Devs that put a lot of work and time and then turn around and offer it for free. Im not sure what site you admin for, but thats not how we do things around here.