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[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
we'll see Xperia R and Xperia RX next?

I thought Mint is TX/Z?
[Xperia Z General] TheEndHK:
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4551/4795118/1/

Here got a lots of Engineer ver of GX 13M original samples. MUCH MUCH better image quality over retail ver. The retail GX looks like no different with XS in comparison to fine details and noise level. So basically, 13M pixel is no problem in today's technology but just Sony's marketing, they still want to protect their small digital compact camera line.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Not for long, the RX100 is about dumping small Cybershots whose sales have been decreasing in favour of bridge cameras (like the G1X and the RX100 now). I do believe that the RX100 is part of a long term strategy where Sony basically cede the whole low end camera market to phones, at which point Cybershot will no longer be a camera brand, but something they use to brand their phone camera.

"Xperia Z with Cybershot".
[Xperia Z General] TheEndHK:
They have got some Cybershot phones in the old days like SE C905. Still waiting for Android Cybershot with stacked CMOS.

BTW ... Where can I buy the engineering ver of GX? LOL
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
IIRC the Cybershot business is still profitable in some markets. Plus there're things like optical zoom that just aren't going to be found on any of the ultra slim cell phones these days.

The RX100 isn't an indication of Sony dumping the low end point and shoot market by any means. I am hopeful though that they'll be able to use their Cybershot and maybe even Alpha camera business to improve the camera tech in their phones. I would love to see a Sony phone with the lens system of a T series Cybershot and Xenon flash.
[Xperia Z General] diwata:
Xperia T = LT30 = Mint

Xperia TX = LT29i = Hayabusa :)
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
True, but another nonsense from Sony. In almost every industry label "TX" would mean higher spec than "T". It's quite confusing for regular users. Hell, even we have some doubts here.

Oddly, I was expecting more camera samples from GX (since it's sold-out in record time), aside from those images posted by Coollead, there aren't any.....

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] TheEndHK:
Not exactly. One or two Japan mobiles manage to get around 3x optical zoom and they even have true optical stability function.

However, T lens is usually very big and not possible to deloy on small devices.

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The first stock of GX is very limited and all sold on first day. The second stock is scheduled in next month. It's very hard to get more samples at this time.
[Xperia Z General] heeroyun:
This year has been too messy for Sony products. I think I'll stick with the Acro S for awhile and wait for the 2013 Xperia.
[Xperia Z General] UserX10:
Can someone provide a ftf file for the SO-05D (Xperia SX)?

Would be great.

Thanks in advance.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Sony will hold an event on August 29, a few days before IFA.

The company will be unveiling their Sony Xperia TX, Sony Xperia LT25 and their Xperia tablet.

Not sure about other devices !!
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
No Mint in Berlin?
[Xperia Z General] thejosetree:
Sources?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
@thejosetree Old News, at least the pre-IFA event

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_is_holding_a_preifa_event_on_august_29_in_berlin-news-4560.php

Since Mint/ Xperia T is their flagship device and considering the rumored huge marketing effort, you can be sure to see Mint in Berlin. Hayabusa/TX is sadly another story.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
I don't any more then you do, but just wait for the 29th of August before saying that the TX isn't coming ;). There is a reason the LT29i exists so don't give up jet.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
The TX/GX will be in Berlin on show, but will not go on sale in major markets including Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the US.
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
Well, that's even more strange. In Germany, if device will not be offered in local market, it well get zero-to-none media coverage.

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] chrisp7:
Why would it need coverage in Germany if its not being released there anyway?
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
My point exactly.

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
This whole thing sounds totally crazy anyway.

Does Sony think Germans, French, Brits & co won't like the GX/TX design and demand something more edgy? Very strange.

I would understand if they released 2 identicaly looking phones, one with LTE and another without, like HTC One X/XL.

I would also understand if they did one cheaper/thinner/lighter version with say 1700mAh battery and another heavier/thicker/more expensive version with proper 2100+mAh battery for power users.

But now it is totally confusing. Who gets the LT29 anyway?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Dont try to understand SONY this year !! ;)

sent from seXperia S
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
The saddest Xperia related news of today:

randomuser:

I really didn't believe the rumors about 5 Nexus devices (which Sony being one of them), but kinda hoped it to be true. So I am guessing Samsung will strike agsin.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
I would be worried if google decides to work with a 2012 crazy sony mobile that keeps delaying and falling behind on major updates. if google does work with sony for 2012 nexus, then we probably won't see it until mid or end of 2013.
[Xperia Z General] king-james:
randomuser said also: "The LT25 will NOT be announced at IFA on 29th"...

I am sick! I was so excited for the announcement of this phone, but now... I can forget sonys announcement. No new devices. We saw all already... And TX not for europe... wtf is going on... 2012 is over. Now waiting until Summer 2013... DAMN!!! Too much pain...:crying:
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
There aren't 5 Nexus devices this year, only one, the Nexus 7. The journalist who reported that there were going to be 5 Nexus devices made a mistake and assumed that since 5 companies had been given advanced access to the 4.1 Jelly Bean PDK that they would all release Nexus devices. Sony are one of the companies given early PDK access.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
It obviously does not mean much, but they said the following:

So, here we are.

Google simply can't back down or it won't be a Nexus device anymore. If google does not control phone software, it is not a "pure google experience" anymore, they can't provide updates until sony does their "sonyness magic" and so on.

Sony could back down, but they do not want to. Just a hardware design and logo is not enough for them.
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
News about PSM :))

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/playstation-mobile-announced-different-screens-same-games/

ASUS and Wikipad will join the party :))
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/08/15/sony-trademarks-exmor-rs-new-camera-sensor-on-the-way/

Well, that would explain poor GX images. Maybe those nice pictures posted by ePrice were from Mint after all.

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I think that neither GX nor Mint have the newly developed stacked sensor.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Will see these in 2013 models..

sent from seXperia S
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
Just checked those ePrice images, and they are from LT29i (GX International).....
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
engineering prototype can have anything since engineers always try to make the best product, but that doesn't mean non-engineers want the exact same features on the final product.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
So let me get this straight...the LT29 and LT30 will not be available unlocked and contract free in the USA and Europe?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Some more info on LT25i

http://product.it168.com/detail/doc/494854/detail.shtml

It seems it will have the same camera (4128 x 3096 resolution) as Hayabusa and Mint.

credits goes to DACHA (esato forum)

BTW: According to Randomuser LT25 won't be available outside China (at least not for next few months).
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
supports external mSD up to 32G as well.

on the big picture, only screen size difference?
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
and different CPU - MSM8660A 1.5GHz
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
the major difference is LTE between those CPUs
[Xperia Z General] Surethom:
Camera

Does anyone know of the GX has Zero shutter lag?? I hope so so you can capture fast photos.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
More hands-on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWzSO3ia7q8

This looks like the International Version of the GX, Xperia Logo on Top. (No DoCoMo Branding)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66AzYKunuDk

EDIT: 4 min hands-on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCF1V7wi-cw
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
Its Docomo, it says it on the bottom, like 10sec through the vid you can see it.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
But there is no Hardware Branding.
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
I dunno...it looks like the Docomo firmware as well, I see a few Docomo apps.

Hmmm....curious indeed :-P

Shame there isn't a good description...
[Xperia Z General] Lucasm93:
Hardware camera button? Win

I just wish they did better with the battery, even though it's removable. Can you imagine a S4 with a 2100Mah battery? Epic.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
What a slap in the face for Xperia S owners. To release a phone barely 5 months later with an S4 processor is truly poor. Would I buy another Sony phone released in Q1 again? Most certainly not.

Having said that, I prefer the S in almost every other respect.

The only way I'd get this is if they offer cheap trade in prices. Other than that I'll wait until next year before ditching the Xperia S. No way will I spend anything meaningful just for an S4.

It will be interesting to see if the S4 eliminates the lag and stutter from the UI and scrolling. If it doesn't, then they can keep their Gx.

And if they dare release a phone next year with lag and poor scrolling, then it will be goodbye Sony.

There comes a point where performance just has to triumph over presentation. I'll give Sony another year to fix this, if they can't, then it's so long and farewell.

Samsung sorted this out in 2011 with the galaxy s2.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
So you finally admit defeat? You were "certain" that there will be no other Sony flagship in 2012 and you were so sure and positive of it. :p ;)
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Everyone knew there was going to be a better phone in Q3. And there will be an even better one in 2013 Q1. That's just how technology works.
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
That's another thing but you know just create one flagship product per year it's like having the iPhone 4s n iPhone 4 in the same year or 6 months to be exact.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Well I don't believe even Sony could stoop to that level but they have. They have indeed.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
I didn't. There was no mention of these devices until after the release of the xperia s.

The problem is they are with moves like these, confusing their own customers.

You'll just never know when to buy a Sony phone because in the back of your mind will always be the thought "will there be a newer phone in a few months?"

They should stick to one flagship per year like the other two successful manufactures Apple and Samsung.

Galaxy S3 owners can be confident that their purchase will hold for at least a year.

You can't have your own customers feeling left behind so soon after launch.

This I fear will be counter productive.

Sorry to say this but the change to just Sony doesn't seem to be making much difference. Still no clear strategy but more whistling in the wind and stabbing in the dark in the hope that something will just happen.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I actually agree with you. There should be ONE flagship phone per year. They are basically diluting their product lineup.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Are you sure Samsung and Apple had only " BIG" phone last year? I think Galaxy Note and iPhone 4S make your what you said about this wrong
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Apple released the iPhone 4S over a year after the iPhone 4. The galaxy note is a completely different form factor from the galaxy s3. A different concept. Half tablet half phone and was not announced 3 months after the release of the galaxy S3.

Sony have just devalued their own brand and made a mockery of the term flagship.

To be honest, I'm not quite sure what you were trying to say.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
I may have not made it completely right, but it was the next big thing until then from them. GNote got more publicity in Brazil than S2.
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
Arc s says hello.

It is business. Get over it guys....

Gesendet von meinem LT26i mit Tapatalk
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
So the Xperia S isn't the flagship for long.

And how is that a problem? It looks a lot different, so many people will go by style than functionality.

How many threads talking about how dual-core is yet to be pushed to the limits, and quad-core is a waste of time (for now)? Yet, despite so many people being happy with the Xperia S - from image and screen quality (I'll take the higher DPI of the S over larger screened models), it's understated looks and good performance (it's NOT slow even if it isn't the S4 chipset) - now all of a sudden we need to buy the newer model?

The image sensor on the newer model(s) might be better, but I'm more than happy with the SXS and it's quick camera start up time. The photos are already bigger than I need, and it's overall quality that I care about - and it delivers perfectly.

The battery is fine on the Xperia S for me too, at least with the temporary fix until the UK SIM-free users get the firmware update (now, I'm just waiting for ICS). I'm happy with 32GB storage, much as I never thought I would be. Perhaps that's because 32GB has been the maximum memory card size for such a long time anyway.

I am sure most people know the Xperia S is fine for their needs performance wise, and agree that faster processors are probably overkill - yet many still feel that they have to have the faster model anyway. Great for the industry that always wants to sell something new, but people should try harder not to suddenly feel like they've got something useless because something better is coming out. It will always be like that.

Always has been, always will be.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
That's right. But the problem is not the GX, the problem is XperiaS as it shouldn't have been released in that condition and at that time. Unless Sony wants to establish itself as a undisputed leader of ancient hardware. Otherwise at some point in time you need to hit that ">>" button.

I have said it before and can say it again: many technical decisions of the XperiaS just do not make sense, it just feels "incosistent". Like quickly bolted together from what was on the table and released only just to have something to sell right now. Easy to understand given their market situation.

It is actually a shame, I like the Xperia S design much better than GX. Except those "small and insiginificant" little details which kill the whole experience to me. If only they had realeased Xperia P-like unibody (ordinary plastic will do, no need for expensive aluminium) with 4.3" display and S4 and 2000mAh battery....
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
There was on the other hand one very obvious thing about the Xperia S. The price.

In Belgium the Xperia S was priced at €499 in most shops. Samsung's Galaxy S2 entered at €649 (and is still over €500 in most stores), the HTC One X is at €649, ... The Xperia S simply didn't have the high-end flagship price.

The rumours about the Hayabusa were there before the release of the Xperia S. We had the leaked roadmap, and at the release we knew the Snapdragon S3 dualcore in the Xperia S was outdated before it was even on the market.

You'll see that as soon as Sony's new flagship enters the market at €599-ish the Xperia S will drop to €449 (you can already find it for €420 online). This just gives the Xperia S a whole new category where it seriously dominates: the reasonably priced killer phone. Lots of memory, very good display and camera, good CPU, just not the absolute best.

I own an Xperia S, knowing perfectly fine that in Q3 Sony would be releasing another family of new phones (including a new flagship as they did last year). When the next Xperia hits I'll be selling my Xperia S and buying the new one I want.

You can't keep on waiting for "the best phone". Because when that "best phone" has been released, even better phones will have been announced. It's always like that with technology.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Xperia T (Mint) in USA might not be contract free. Seems like AT&T will be the main operator carrying it. Xperia TX (Hayabusa) should be contract free in Sony stores. LT29 will be branded in only some Europe countries, but not all Europe countries are bounded to the operators. I wouldn't worry too much about Europe. They get all the handsets anyways...

Both T and TX will be communicated as Bond phones depending on the region (no I do not know which will appear in the movie)

There will be more color additions to the Acro S which I'm waiting for, and we have a few more devices other T and TX for this year. Tsubasa is one. The other is mid-tier device named....J something...after Sony's artist :D
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
That's good to here that we can choose between the TX and T

But there is one thing that make me confused

The LT25i Tsubasa won't be introduced at IFA, and China and Japan will be the first country to have it on sale right??

So when will we see the International version of Tsubasa?? I hope we can see it before Christmas, cuz I really want to see the new Display of Tsubasa before I purchase my new Xperia phone :D

Unknowx13, Do you have any idea? :)
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
but neither T nor TX use Exmor- R stacked?
[Xperia Z General] hydenobuyuki:
I've posted lots of camera samples from my Xperia GX to twitpic while climbing Mt. Fuji.

A major problem with photos however, is that Google+ instant upload has corrupted the EXIF data on nearly all of them!

The camera is perfectly decent for most users but does not seem like the best a mobile phone can do.

At times the images can be noisy; At times they are okay.

At times the photos can be washed out or overly saturated but the Bravia RealityEngine display setting on the phone generally makes everything look a lot better so you don't always see it until you open the image up on the computer.

I'm uploading 94 full size images to google plus right now.

I took a few low light photos near Tokyo station this evening but there were a lot of Secret Service around for whatever reason and it was beginning to look suspicious. So, I'll add those images later.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/110103693044537498547/posts/8pN6qeY77mK

If I'm missing some setting to allow people to see the full screen images, then let me know in a comment on the google+ post and I'll try to fix it.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Sorry for the kind of unrelated question: how does the battery life looks like?
[Xperia Z General] hydenobuyuki:
The battery life is okay but not amazing.

There are so many things to do with the phone but (as much as I really like the industrial design) would have preferred to sacrafice the curve for extra battery.

My X10 (SO-01b) originally had a really really horrible battery life. The GX's battery life is infinitely better than that. However, an undervolted and tweaked X10 has far far better battery life.

My X10 usually has about 70% battery left when I get home from work.

My GX often has about 30% battery left when I get home. (That being said, I'm doing a lot more testing that typical use)

There's a LOT of handoff between LTE and HSPA networks and everytime I take the subway it's constantly being disconnected and reconnected to the network. Perhaps, that has a negative impact on battery life.

In the end, I can do everything I need to do with it with the given battery but carry around a really small battery charger that should be able to charge it up to more than 50%. But, I rarely use things like walking navigation but it will use up a lot of juice.

Unfortunately, a lot of people in this market (Japan) seem to end up accepting that they may need charge their phones mid day (a lot of people complained when they went from charging every week to being forced to charge everyday... a lot of people were even more unhappy when they couldn't even get through the day with 2010 android devices)
[Xperia Z General] TheEndHK:
Really thanks for your samples. We need it so much. Can you zip them and upload it to other place like mediafire? But that isn't enough, XS does pretty well at outdoor with good lighting environment as well.

Actually, in Hong Kong we can get that 13M ExmorR early this year and at that time XS was even not out yet.

http://board.phonehk.com/viewthread.php?tid=301576&extra=page=1

We can buy the imported docomo F-05D easily at HK and it marked clearly as 13M ExmorR.

http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=4737

We have a couple of original samples out of the 13M ExmorR on F-05D and the quality is much more similar to the engineering ver of GX over retail GX. When you zoom in the F-05D samples, all details maintained and no noise at all.
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
Wow the pics you took are amazing :) makes me wana buy this pohne
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201208/12-107E/index.html

Wasn't this already announced on Jan 23rd?
[Xperia Z General] kunalgahlot:
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-sl/
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Would be very ironic if iphone5 will be the first and exclusive phone carrying this sensor. So apple could get all the kudos for yet again inventing the best phone camera in the world.
[Xperia Z General] zangetsu2188:
So based on this press release, I can safely assumed that the Xperia GX is not using the newly developed stacked cmos sensor? Or am I wrong?

The stacked sensor's aperture is f/2.2 while the GX is f/2.4.

I guess the 2013 line up would be awesome, will definitely wait for the 2H 2013 Sony phones :D :p
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
^

Yes. T/TX don't have Exmor RS sensor. Only 2013 phones will have this stacked sensor. :)
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Got SGS3, still waiting for next xperia..

sent from the BEAST Galaxy S3
[Xperia Z General] zangetsu2188:
Good thing that I didn't wait for it :D

Nice. That's a great phone. But somewhat pricey, around ~235 USD price difference here (and that's the 16GB variant). :)
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
My thoughts exactly!