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[Xperia Z General] Readler:
The same sites saying that Z releases in August, right?

If so, it could fit to the roadmap with GX being Hayabusa and Mint releasing a month earlier.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Nah, too ruggedy to be a bond. Like a said, more of a batman sidekick :D Hayabusa is more of a bond. Elegant.
[Xperia Z General] mrsanches:
Since you've seen the 2013 portfolio (I know that not all devices will be lauched) would you go for Hayabusa/Mint design or wait for 2013 line-up?

Have you seen the 2013 possible high end devices in the pp slideshow you told us?
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
doesn't matter when sony announce the phone. only matter when the guy can buy that phone locally
[Xperia Z General] darkion2411:
its cool :D
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
well, if Hayabusa isn't coming to Europe, nor is Ion, what are other alternatives? I mean, will Sony release some other "higher" end phones or Xperia S is the crown for this year (in Europe)?

EDIT:

I'm a bit confused with all those "code names" :rolleyes: Is SO-04D in fact GX or not?

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Some new 2013 rumours. Thanks to Randomuser@Esato

*CES will be two new models codenamed

DOGO.Twin phones. One International

version and other for Japan only. Intl

version has 4.6 inch screen 720p, s4 quad,

1 gb ram. Japan twin of same phone has

same specs and addition to it 2gb ram and

waterproof function. Non replaceable

battery

*Later in the year there will be new flagship

with 5 inch 1080p screen, 2gb ram, and

coupled with Sony Mobile Bravia Engine the

screen is said to be incomparable. No

waterproof/dustproof function.Codename

Odin

* There will also be a 6 inch phone/tablet

with same specs (1080p, 2gb, s4 quad

apq8064).

*These 1H 2013 models do not have OLED

but thankfully do have SLCD screens. This

will be the first time Sony will be using its

SLCD panels on its Xperia phones.

*Late 2013 there will be newer models with

MSM8974 (updated s4 quad with integrated

LTE), 2gb ram, and 720p and 1080p OLED

panels.

*As of now no Intl phone in 2013 with

waterproof/dustproof functionality. Only

for Japan.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
According to the leaked 2012 roadmap, Hayabusa will launch in July. That list seems to be pretty accurate.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
And actually would have significant drawbacks with no apparent benefits except some questionable marketing bling-bling.

Higher resolution means "darker" screen. Which in turn requires brighter background LED's and significantly increases energy consumption.

So, any manufacturer will try to avoid putting higher resolution as absolutely required. Apple is special case in this regard, due to the earlier "non fragmentation" promises they could either leave resolution as is or double it (and scale legacy apps). That's why the "retina" was born. Otherwise they would settle for something more sensible and still get the same "sharpness" perception with considerably less power consumption.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I was afraid of that..! :mad:
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
That's all just jazz. There is a noticeable difference in detail and sharpness between the xperia s and the xperia arc, galaxy nexus, one x and s. To say otherwise is just willful blindness.

To call it marketing bling bling is a conclusion very very far from the reality.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
I think he meant from 720p to 1080p, not the 480x854 to 720p
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
The rumors about the LG "Eclips" suggest the following specs:

1.5GHz quad-core Snapdragon S4 by Qualcomm with four "Krait" cores and Adreno 320 GPU. The chipset will be paired with the MDM9615 baseband radio, which indicates the presence of multi-mode LTE (FDD and TDD).

That means that Sony once again will be left behind in the hardware department.

How can other phone maker use the latest and greatest and Sony cannot?
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Because Sony and Ericsson have always ignored the hardcore android users and focused their attention on the mainstream user.

The whole Rebranding thing was just to make us all think Ericsson was to blame for all the crap that went before when in reality both parties are equally guilty as sin.

To be honest, dated hardware or software has been the story so far for Sony. The xperia s suffers from both.

I know the mainstream is where the money is but the hardcore make the loudest noise and that's the philosophical change the company needs to make not a meaningless rebranding exercise.

Sony and Nokia still struggling to embrace the smart phone race.

They both still have an old school approach to the game. An approach that was designed for feature phone production.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Well, there are races better to be won and other races better not to engage in.

Like that famous Intel P4 megahurtz race, or for example compact camera megapixel race.

While move from single to dualcore brought significant benefits and it was a shame SE missed that train, current generation of quadcores make the device even worse, not better. So it is sensible to skip it until there are actual benefits.

I think they aleady going past of what is reasonable by ever increasing the megapixel count, although I personally would be prepared to pay more for say 8 or 10 megapixel camera with better optics and low light quality.

Samsung actually did a sensible thing by keeping their SIII camera at 8mpx and (hopefully) improving the quality (as they claim).
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Sony Xperia LT29i Hayabusa AnTuTu benchmark

http://antutulabs.com/Sony-Xperia-LT29i-Hayabusa

CPU: MSM8960 Pro 1.5GHz ?!?
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Doesn't matter if LG has it. They don't sell well anyways. Their 2X hasn't even been updated to ICS, while the 2011 handsets from Sony are already beginning to get them. Quality counts. Would you rather have Sony cough out something half quality/effort built, or something fully built? You decide.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
As fake as they come.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I agree it seems fake. But, I hope its true! :p
[Xperia Z General] BrazenRain:
The Optimus One got its Gingberbread update a few months ago. :eek:
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
I understand that LG phones do not sell but that was the whole point. Even LG can release a phone with the latest hardware and Sony cannot.

By the time the Hayabuss is out every other phone manufacturer will have a quad-core phone on the market.

I do not see how Sony is going to sell about 50% more phones this year as they foretasted on the 2011 financial report.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
I don't have especific knowledge about hardware, but as far as I know, not all apps still have full usage of dual core.

Other thing is battery. A idiotic comparasion, but we need more energy to lift 4 boxes (1 Kg each) with 4 weak arms than 2 boxes (2Kg each) with 2 strong arms. What I mean is: quad cire uses more battery.

And the final thing: Sony does a awesome work with software. Xperia S have almost the same browsing experience as HTC One X, which have hardware acceleration, ICS tweaks and a super updated browser.

So, I think Snapdragon S4 is enought. Quad core isn't too much for a phone, at least in 2012?
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
If the Hayabusa is released with MSM8960 Pro then I will be OK with it not being a quad-core.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Honestly I don't understand why you would need a quad core CPU inside your phone. Maybe some games would use the additional two cores, but the majority of the apps don't even use two cores at all. More important imho is the everyday usability of the device, said that what I need from a phone is a smooth UI which looks close to stock Android, decent camera and battery life, fast browser, excellent radio (3G,wifi and GPS), enough storage and of course a sharp and bright display. Can you imagine that there isn't one phone on the market yet which runs on ISC, has a 720p display and expandable storage. Beside the SGS3 the GX/Hayabusa could be the best featured device, so personally it really doesn't matter if it has a quad core or S4 Pro CPU.
[Xperia Z General] piercewei:
some people seem to attent to the hardware spec only instead of the general performance. i noticed this phenomenon in China's bbs as well. actually, the software optimization plays a very important role to the performance of a cellphone. for instance, my single-core Arc performed much better than my dual-core tablet A500 from Acer.

some people might have the funny idea to have the highest spec product in order to make a "show-off", which couldnt be understood by me at all.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
PURCHASED XPERIA S and RETURNED within 15 minutes !!!

Guys,

Today I make up my mind n decided to purchase xperia S, enough waiting for GX/Hayabusa..

But once purchased, while playing with it, I found that the lower part of the XS (below the transparent strip) is loose, I can move that part n looks pathetic :confused:

I went to the store, he exchanged immediately with another one, that too was not looking very solid !!!

Its just me unluckily or luckily saw that or its design/built issue ???

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] Mano1982:
Lower parts of my Xperia S and my bro's Xperia S are rock solid.. They seems like unremovable :o
[Xperia Z General] CAmmon:
US Options

I am still currently using a w810i. I have been waiting for a new sony phone for quite some time. I was initially waiting for the arc, but it was never released through a carrier in the US and I didnt want to pay 500 dollars for an out of date phone when they finally did. It has finally come time to upgrade. I am looking for some guidance. Would it be worth it to wait for the mint in the us or should I just get the Ion? I dont really use my phone that much, but that might be due to the fact that I still do not have a smart phone. Ideally the white GX would be avaialable in America but I really dont see that happening anymore. I have considered looking for a cheap arc because it is still unavalable through a carrier but I'm not too sure on that end either with 4g being available. The real problem is contract in the us are two years and Im really hoping for some arc-like design in the future. Any thoughts, comments, or advice would be appreciated.
[Xperia Z General] LUCA LUCA:
is the hayabusa the GX? And mint the SX?

are they going to be released in Europe, more precisely the SX?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Those things are almost completely random. These 'rumours' have been floating around on XDA an other forums all year now, and they always say something else. First those devices were planned for the summer, then for Q4, now for 2013, ... I doubt anything of that is true. Especially the 6" with an APQ sounds ridiculous, Sony would never go for an APQ + separate modem because of efficiency issues.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Possible new anti reflective screen film from Sony for future phones?

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...reen-reflection-almost-non-existent-20120620/
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Well you know what, they just might have to. The S4 quad with integrated LTE isn't going to be used before Q2/Q3. Sony can't afford to launch dual core smartphones in 2013 and get away with it. They know that.

But am sure their engineers will do a great job in maintaining efficiency.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
in their dreams first?
[Xperia Z General] hei133:
Found a Antutu benchmark comparison of the Docomo summer 2012 phones lineup.

The Xperia GX SO-04D is listed with a score of 5359.

Comparison:

xperia.ldblog.jp/archives/cat_307197.html
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Yes they can. The high-end segment of the market that really wants quadcore phones is really really tiny. The vast, vast majority of people just doesn't care. And next year we'll be seeing Cortex A15 dualcores, also from ST-Ericsson. They might be able to perform even better than Qualcomm's S4 quadcores.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
it's a totally different story if carriers subsidize the phone
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Just pondering to myself... if Sony were to make a Windows 8 phone, would it fall under the Xperia brand, or would it be labled a VAIO? I know it doesn't matter too much, just curious.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
are all android phones branded as xperia?
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
Well the Xperia X1 was a Windows Mobile device, so it is possible, since Sony Mobile and Sony are still seperate from each other for the most part the VAIO name is property of Sony.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
They probably wouldn't. Marketing. That's all this quad core gimmick is all about. But needless to say, it works. People dont know much...but comparing 2 devices a tegra 3 powered and a s4 dual core, they're like "quad core one is better" and they end up buying it. Atleast thats the way its in my country.

And this i'm saying in India, one of the few markets where Sony still commands a premium. It is the leader in the mid segment here. Most people aren't tech enthusiasts but advertising feeds them and they simply gobble it up.

Sony wouldnt want to be

seen

as a company which is one step behind. That's my point. It isn't. But is probably perceived to be so. And that's what needs to change. So Sony will have to play the game. Dual cores are going to be strictly mid end from 2013.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the person from Sony in charge of all of SMC was also in charge of the VAIO division. If so, they kinda do fall under the same umbrella within Sony.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Carriers don't subsidize phones. You still pay for it through your monthly plan. In Belgium carriers don't have anything to do with your choice of phone. Result? I have a ****load of free calls, unlimited texting and 2GB of data for €15 ($20) a month. Try to do that with whatever carrier that 'subsidizes' a phone.
[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
Could be, I don't keep track of that.

But to my knowledge they are keeping seperate from each other with no Tablet/PC/etc developments and holding it to mobiles and such, which would mean that Vaio would be out of the question.

Anyways, my post was more referring to the past, when SE made the X1 with Windows Mobile, so it wouldn't be out of the question for them to release a Xperia with Windows Mobile again. I actually would welcome it, as I really liked my X1 :).
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
After watching the WP8 Summit live blog

I set a goal for myself from the end of this year to beginning of next year

An Xperia Android Hand set and a Nokia Lumia WP8 Hand set :D

its going to be awesome when carrying those 2 around :))

Edit: or an Xperia and an Iphone 5 :X

Better start saving from now XD
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
They all share some people in high-level management, but the teams work completely seperately. Sony Mobile right now only does Xperia devices. The tablets and parts of the Android Walkman software are being done by the Vaio team.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
if you buy an unlocked phone on your own, do you pay less per month to your carrier for the same voice/data plan?
[Xperia Z General] ImS0Raw:
Guys is there any news on a worldwide release of the XPERIA GX? I want that phone so bad, if it doesn't get a international release I'm getting the SGS3 :(.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Right now there is only one news - Sony rolling out ICS update for Xperia S !!! :D
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Different countries - different marketing.

For example, here in Europe I can't even remember any marketing campagne from anyone emphasizing core count or gigahurtz or even gigabytes.

Everyone tries to press on some lifestyle, fluid UX, ease of use, pretty design. Like happy babies, perfect photos of dogs, some wonderful gimmick as easy as just two clicks and so on.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Nope same plan prices no matter what.

Sent from my Lumia 900
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
then I don't understand why is he claiming "Carriers don't subsidize phones."

for the same plan and same phone. he would pay significantly less over the course of 2-3 years with carrier subsidized phone over buying phone at full price on his own.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Sonys looks like it's planning on spending a pretty penny (about a billion dollars) on boosting its production on CMOS sensors over the next year. Sonys CMOS sensors are already the products from many, MANY other manufacturers, so hopefully we'll see this trend continue and grow. Hopefully it's also a sign of bigger and better things on the camera front for their own mobile devices:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/22/us-sony-cmos-idINBRE85L09D20120622

As a whole, it looks like Sony is trying to make some major changes to its business structure. First we had steps like the buyout of the Sony Ericsson joint venture. Then we had Sony selling its stake in its LCD joint venture with Samsung. Then we had Sony selling its relatively smaller stake in its LCD investment with Sharp. Now we've got rumours about Sony teaming up with Panasonic for OLED TVs - who knows if this will also cover smaller devices like phones and tablets, or if they're relying on AUO or JDI for that. The Panasonic/Sony joint venture is rumoured to be announced next week.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...unce-oled-tie-up-next-week-officials-say.html

Then we have the most up to date rumours about Olympus and Sony being the leading candidate to bail them out by investing about $623 million for 10% of their business. It seems that Sony will get access to some of Olympus's tech as part of that deal, including camera and medical stuff. I suppose this could lead to possible advances in Sonys mobile division as well, but as they seem keen to branch into the medical field, I think that might be the primary reason for this move:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304765304577481371695029022.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Then we have more outlier rumours like Sony being interested in aquiring Gaikai for its online streaming business potentially for the Playstation 4. This could have the potential of allowing mobile users to stream PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP and Vita games to your mobile phone and tablet, but would of course be a killer on the bandwith side of things. Those rumours kind of fizzled out after E3, but it looks like Gaikai is putting out feelers for a buyer so who knows.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/21/3...eaming-game-business-for-500-million#comments

Anyways, the point of all this is that it seems that Sony and its new management isn't content to just sit back and take it easy and apparently is keen on transforming Sonys business in big ways. I can only hope they succeed and can bring Sony as a whole back to its glory days where they reigned supreme in the tech world.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
In Europe there IS a siginificant difference if You buy a "subsidized" phone or not.

Some telcos try to conceal it by offering different contracts at different prices, some with "cheap" phones and some without.

Others are more transparent, where you basically get to choose a contract and additionally can finance a phone for a specific downpayment and monthly rate.

So, you as consumer are free to decide if you just pay like 20$ monthly for service and buy your own device on the free market. Or you pay like 50$ monthly, where 20$ is for service and 30$ for device.

I think it is much more flexible and "liberal" approach as the one we see in the US of A.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Don't mind that US guy's reply :P In Belgium there are no plans which include a phone. There are some that offer a discount on phones (for example, €100 off your phone if you buy it together with your plan), but if you don't buy a phone at that time you just get €100 off your plan. So in the end it doesn't matter.

In Belgium there are no locked or carrier branded phones. All stores and carriers sell unlocked unbranded devices.
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
Which I think is the RIGHT way to do the business.

I NEVER sign for a 2 year contract and buy a carrier subsidized phone here in USA.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
that sounds like a better way of selling a phone than what we have in NA

---------- Post added at 09:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:10 AM ----------

many people cannot afford a phone without carrier subsidizing it
[Xperia Z General] CAmmon:
How, and why?
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Sony trademarks Xperia ado, Xperia amo, Xperia ilo and Xperia sora
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Me neither. They do, and in the UK it's been a practice that has existed ever since the first mobile phones went on sale in the 1980s.

By signing up your contract, the retailer/dealer/distributor is given a discount off the cost of the SIM-free price that allows them to give you the phone for free, or almost free. When a phone is cheap enough, not only might it be free but you might have enough money left over for cashback or an Xbox or something.

I wonder if these names are registered as they're similar to existing products and Sony is trying to stop anyone else using the names (think Chinese clones?!)
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I guess the idea was, that carriers will extract that "subsidy" back through inflated contract prices. So it is not really a "subsidy" but more like a loan to be repaid in rates (including interest).

It is not like anyone is really giving you a discount. The carrier is just acting like a bank selling you financing services.

While it could be, that UK is still holding on those practices, I think most of Europe deprecated this for some years now.

Yes, you can still get a contract with hardware included, but the same carrier will usually offer the same service without hardware. And if you actually do the math, you will usually find it is cheaper to buy a SIM-free hardware.

I got my last phone on contract maybe some 7 years ago. Since then I bought all my phones off-contract, it was simply a better deal.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
if it doesn't really reduce your cost over a duration of time, then it doesn't fit the definition of subsidize and you shouldn't call it "subsidize"?
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I think it was what the original poster claimed.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
are you referring to me or the one anti-me with something that doesn't fit the definition of subsidize?
[Xperia Z General] harvy20:
looks like a natural upgrade to the arc but i cant wait and opted for Sony S.

still arc is the best phone ive ever had.
[Xperia Z General] dohanotoha:
I couldn't agree more.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
+1

sent from seXperia S
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
As predicted Sony and Panasonic have announced a joint venture to develop next gen OLED displays for TVs. Those hoping this may trickle down to the mobile world appear to be out of luck unless there's more to this agreement then they've announced. Hope is still alive for Sony phones with OLED displays as there's still AUO and JDI to consider.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201206/12-0625E/index.html
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I hope Sony will not become PanaSONYc !!! :D

sent from seXperia S
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
BTW does anyone know when we should find out how well Sony is doing in sales? I had heard about some quarterly meeting this week, so will we find out then, or do we have to wait for the fiscal year to end in 2013?
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
This joint venture is for large screen devices only (TVs, computer monitors, larger tablets). Sony have bowed out of mobile display production and transferred their assets and workers to JDI, a subsidiary of the Japanese government.
[Xperia Z General] inadequate:
Till date, the arc is the most beautiful phone ever released. Compared to the arc, samsung's galaxy series belongs in a dump :P
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Off topic:

Xperia ION, Xperia Acro S & Xperia Go is launched in China.

sent from seXperia S
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
What about GX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused:
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Sony LT30a ‘Mint’ sample pics pop up in Picasa; new LT30k model bound for Korea?