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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I think its fine to voice your opinion on things, since everyone is entitled. But maybe PM one of the moderators and ask them yourself. Plz don't use my (or anyone else's) thread to undermine anyone's authority or decision making skills. I know u weren't being viscous. I'm not trying to make an enemy here. But some things are best done privately. I'm sure they have their reasons , or its possible it was a mistake. Good luck all, happy flashing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
They decide to lock it cuz now there is a specific place for sg3 on xda...i belive.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Hi. The reason that Samsung glaaxy S3 specs revealed!!! thread was not closed was because at the time of the thread there was no SIII forum as RatusNatus pointed out already. The Dropbox thread had absolutely nothing to do with the the SII.

There was already a Dropbox thread in the apps section and also in the General section of XDA, so there was no reason to have yet another Dropbox thread in this General forum (hence why it was closed). If people would search they would have saw that there was already Dropbox threads around.

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I think this sort of ties in with this thread, as part of XDA etiquette and rules directly applies to the mods who enforce it. I dont think most of you guys understand how intricate, stressful and mundane our jobs can be. Take this busy forum for example, look at how busy it is, now just imagine how many threads/posts get reported on... now times that by 10, 12 or 15. We have to take the time to look at each case as they are all different and need to all be handled case-by-case basis.

Occasionally we will make a mistake and do not mean it. We try our hardest to make sure that this is a fun and knowledgeable place to come to. We volunteer our time to help out XDA, yet people seem to want to **** all over the mods because we're mods. Id like to take a full 24 hours with no moderators and just see what kind of crap creeps up here. So I apologize if it seems like we just close threads just to close them, but usually 99% of the time there is either an obvious reason or a reason is posted... but a thread or two may slip by with no real reason and for that I apologize.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
Neither do GS3 specs.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Thread moved to the SGSIII General forum. Happy now? :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
haha just trying to make it harder on you bro, personally i dont care, but i see where the guy was coming from.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
This isn't a personal attack. But I don't get where he was coming from. These mods have no idea how we do our jobs, because they don't do our jobs. So....until someone walks a mile in my shoes I don't want them talking smack about my performance. Same thing with these mods. I have no idea how stressful their jobs (I know its something u volunteer to do but I'll bet some days it feels like a job) are so I'm not gonna pretend I do. I know we don't agree with some decisions they make. However, let's approach it by PM'ng them :) That way it doesnt seem like we're trying to attack em in open forum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
I saw where he was coming from.

On another note....

Perhaps I am in the minority but I think we bottleneck what threads can be started too stringently; it's a forum. As soon as somebody starts a thread that isn't DIRECTLY pertaining to our device, it gets shut down. It is my opinion that we miss valuable discussion that affects us. I think the only situation in which a thread should be closed is if it is completely and in no way related AT ALL. I've seen several threads that I thought would be interesting, only to see them get closed. I saw what Red posted above; I'm referring to the range of topics that are allowed to be started. We have something to gain from loosening it a bit.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I actually agree. I try to let as many threads stay open as long as they are tied to this phone (otherwise it belongs in another forum or General at the top of XDA). The reason why most threads get closed is either because the trolls come out to play or its a flame-retardant precaution. D_M and I have done all that we can to stop the trolls to allow a broader plane for discussions, but we cant fight an army, nor should we have to. At one point, I tried to just delete all the troll/flame posts and allow the threads to continue after cleanup, but I would have to watch several threads all day long. I dont think anybody has that kind of time. Hence, thats why threads get closed.

I mod several other forums that are virtually wide open because they are a smaller community and they all stay on topic (phone related) and not bash each other just because. I wish that was true here, but it isnt. I guess maybe if we had 5-8 mods in this forum then at least one would always be on to constantly redirect threads or clean up posts, but thats unrealistic.

So, as I agree with you Simba, until the ASGSII community either wises up or moves on to other forums, threads are going to be locked up when they get out of hand... or are about to spin out of control.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
I disagree completely. Loosening it up means more superfluous and unnecessary threads and even LESS accuracy for the search engine. Then what, more newbs starting threads because they truly can't find the correct info. Unlike most discussion forums, this is a targeted tech forum and for it to be effective it needs to remain focused on the tech and less on the discussion aspect. Besides, there are subforums to just shoot the breeze anyway. The majority of the people coming in here are looking for information and specifics on their device, not friends or light banter. While there is some of the latter it is usually in relation to a specific subject and not on its own. There are some in here I know and joke with, but ultimately we all come in here for info on our phones and that's what needs to remain paramount as far as the discourse goes.:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
When I say loosen it a bit, I'm not referring to completely irrelevant discussion or joking around but rather how loosely we define how a particular topic relates to our device. I actually don't like random, free-for-all discussion and playfulness; I was referring to talk relating to tech, similar devices, and what we might be able to gain/learn from them or even just discussion between us about said topics.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] yahoowizard:
Well, it's good most of you are being incredibly friendly, and yeah, I understand, mistakes can be made and whatnot. I have been a mod for forums before and I know the spam that can come in sometimes, but yeah, I think I was just used to when I had a Captivate and the subforums there were more loosely moderated, as well as other sites that had subforums about the Captivate (yes, I know those aren't hardcore developer forums) and it was somewhat a minicommunity among the people having a Captivate to just talk about almost whatever.

I'm probably a minority among you guys, but I mostly only visit this subforum and I don't really go to the subforums of the other phones or the General Forums that often.

tl;dr I understand your intentions and don't really have much else to add. The moderators are hard at work and I respect you guys and w/e, and let's just have fun?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I agree. And I disagree. With loosening the reigns on forum thread posting and what is acceptable. IF we did that. It would lead to more threads, and we may learn a lot more about different topics and apps and trial/error. It'd probably be a lot of fun, and give more people a chance to contribute in the conversation. BUT. How long would it last before it started caving in. This is a big community on this forum. You have seen some of the things people say and do here. (Myself included). It'd be fine for a while. But eventually it would get too big and people would start complaining again because their thread was closed about "Why the SGS2 needs a Panties Off" button and how he can make it work on his girlfriend. Ya know? In theory opening the forum up wider is great. In reality and in practice....how long before Red and D_M are backed up with even more crap to deal with.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nakedninja42:
I have been following this thread from the beginning, I ask myself... what does this thread have to do with our phone? It does not contribute to our phone community, so why aren't we bashing this thread?

I think the behavior of a few members on this forum are asinine. First someone starts a thread asking for help on a topic that has been covered. So they get bashed to no end... then when people do search and post in an old topic... they get bashed for following the rules.

This is a tech dev forum, I get it... but once a noob to android, asking questions is the only way I can learn... if I can't understand something, I want to ask for help. I have learned a lot about my phone from this forum and learned a lot about Android from helpful users in Captivate.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
It has to do with our particular forum, so this is forum related. Its not about some random app that can be installed on any Android device (those threads get closed down or moved). Since this has to do with our particular community and how it functions, it's remained.

I agree. I think people should be able to ask questions once they have tried to search or read. I understand that the search function isnt optimized. We get ridiculous threads/posts and then when someone searches, it pulls up that crap. However, people here seem to just bash when any question is made and D_M are trying to resolve that issue. There is a difference of someone asking "how do you root or go back to stock?" when there are stickys and guides on how to do that... or asking "Ive modded a camera.apk to increase the frame rate but its becoming studdery, anyone know how to fix that?". Those are obviously two different questions; one of which is acceptable to ask and the other... well, we all know how the trolls will respond with that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nakedninja42:
I completely agree with you Red5. I was just a little annoyed at reading some responses this morning that I finally felt compelled to post something. I've been refraining from posting before but I guess I shouldn't be reading xda before getting out of bed :rolleyes:.

I think the stickies in this forum are great, really really informative. When I bought my phone couple months ago I was so excited that I read every sticky with every link posted before my phone arrived. Since getting the phone, I have learned far more than I ever did in the year and half I had my Captivate from great posts made in the forum. Of all the forums I visit, I have to say Red and Divine do a great job moderating here!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
And if everyone did the amount of reading you did, it would definitely help the community as well as the people doing the reading. Hopefully we can foster an atmosphere here to get people to start reading a bit more. My goal isn't to bash. Or make people feel stupid. However I also sometimes do a little "flaming" now and then to get people to realize they should maybe get off their a$$ and search. But I would never take it over the edge or cuss someone out or anything. I dunno....its a fine line we all walk here sometimes. In the end I want us all to get along and have a great time here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nakedninja42:
Just like the war on drugs, it is a futile to take that approach. As Pirateghost has pointed out, this behavior has been going on for years. Bashing/insulting or any other negative behavior is not going to solve anything.

I find it highly annoying following a thread and you can tell people do not read the OP for info they are asking. Flaming or posting a negative comment does not help in any situation as it bloats a thread and people cannot find answers when they truly do search (then mods are to busy trying to clean the forum). A solution there is to post the answer or not post at all, (if you don't having anything nice to say then do not say anything at all :rolleyes:).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Flaming serves a purpose. Just so long as its not taken to an extreme.....which some do. Then it becomes a huge fight. But telling someone to "go search and stop being lazy " or something is appropriate. Its all relative. But we're not out to hurt each others feelings or pride.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dux302:
I want to chime in as a relative newb. I was able to root, upgrade, almost brick my phone, recover it back to stock, root again and install tasks rom about 20 times without ever having to post one single question. The only reason I was able to do it was from reading and reading until I understood what to do. Everything was available just had to be patient.

I have been following tasks thread and I am amazed at how many times the same question is asked but at the same time I'm amazed that people go out of their way to tell a person that their question has been asked and to search etc etc. Why? What does that resolve? Everyone that says read the OP but in his OP he says don't reply to people that refuse to read the OP. Seems like an oxymoron to me.

Anyway, just saying... not sure what I even mean at this point. I worked too hard today is all I can say for sure.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] apanihi:
I appreciate all work devs do. Just try to provide feedback to better any ROM I use. I also don't fall for the alpha male bull****. Get in my face online? Who cares! lmao Wanna do it in person? I'm big too, have a gun and can call police. That takes care of that :)

Common sense and common courtesy avoids that. I guess not everyone has those :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Haha yup. I remember when I was a teenager and AOL had just come out. Going into the "AOL Chat Rooms" and finding a ridiculous one and going in and just starting trouble for no reason. Course I was 14. I guess age gives wisdom. Or at least patience haha.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] votinh:
What the heck does that mean????

You said you're big and have a gun, I immediately thought you can beat the crap out of whoever pissing you, in person. Then you said "can call police", huh??? Big boy, carry a gun and calling police, hmmm, it doesn't make sense, in fact, it doesn't add up to anything, seriously.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
You can't correct the bad behavior if you don't point it out.

---------- Post added at 10:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:33 AM ----------

Here's a perfect example of why noobs get roasted.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=26255845#post26255845

It's obvious this guy spent not a minute reading the rules or even looking over the forum before posting. The thread title sucks and the post is obviously not related to the SGSII. And why ask in here about service plans? Why should he be shown any "common courtesy" when he has shown none himself?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] zelendel:
OK guys enough with the childish bad boy talk. Doesn't matter who you are in the real world. Or what you think you can do. There is no place for that here.

Sent from Gotham
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Me. Online. Omfg I'm buff.

Me. Offline. Omfg I'm....fluff ;-p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
Is your name kakarot by any chance?;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] zeyfah:
This reminds me of the same words I used to say in other forums to newbies. Here, as a new member, I am a noob. What I used to say seems to hit me back. Lol

Understood, senior :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] PeartFan40:
The term development refers to the act of developing, growth, or growing; to improve or mature from one form to another; to evolve. Technically, there really is no "final" work, because technology is ever changing. I encourage anyone who criticizes any developer, to spend just one day in their shoes. Developers spend copious amounts of time contributing their work to everyone, free of charge. If people truly understood just how much hard work, time, and dedication that goes into development, they might not be so quick to throw the gauntlet. All they ask for in return, is that people take the time to read and understand the steps required, before attempting to flash or mod their devices. Seems like a pretty reasonable request to me. As for your comment concerning poor spelling and grammar, XDA is a worldwide community, as such, we have people speaking different languages which can create barriers at times. Even if someone has poor grammar, who are you to point that out? If the devs aren't providing a service for mankind, how would you explain the nearly 6 million members (and growing), that have joined XDA? Becoming a Mod, afforded me the opportunity to give back to this community which has given so much to others. Its my way of showing gratitude for all the hard work developers bring to XDA.

Being altrusitic should never be reciprocated with an attitude of entitlement. Unfortunately, it does in some cases. In situatiins such as this, your backspace key serves an invaluable tool. ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] PeartFan40:
Flaming serves no purpose, because its infectious. One person starts, another follows, and so on. Then we have to step in to restore order.

"if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" ~N.P. Rush

Brought to you courtesy of my Galaxy Note (i717), using XDA Premiero!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
When I say flame, I don't mean "flame" so much as not spoon feeding answers to those who lazily post questons they could have spent time searchig for. I just mean telling someone, as I've seen several developers say, to read the OP, search, or don't post. I don't mean freaking out on someone. However, the kiddies will sometimes jump on that opportunity and start a big war in the thread. Which is of course not acceptable. So I guess that's what u mean by infectious, people seeing something and then spiraling it out of control and jumping on the band wagon.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] PeartFan40:
Yup, lol...that's what I was referring to. All it takes is one little seed. But yes, we shouldn't hold anybody's hand, or spoon feed them. We also shouldn't be rude either. Somewhere there is a happy medium. ;)

"if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" ~N.P. Rush

Brought to you courtesy of my Galaxy Note (i717), using XDA Premiero!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Harry_Y:
Amen, I will admit I see flaming as an act of an Very Immature person.

All us us started somewhere and had to learn, some did it on our own and

others had someone lead them along (and most are a mixture of both).

I have taught many in my life and have even had the honor of some of

them teaching me in return. Flaming serves no useful purpose other than making

the person doing the flaming feel some type of false superiority over another.

When you Flame you get your jollies off but then it winds up turning off someone

who could potentially contribute. I'm old enough to have learned to not be quick

to discount people. Some of the most intelligent and talented people I have

worked with had at one point or another been shot down hard, but were

fortunate enough to have another recognize and nurture them.

In short if you really feel the need to Flame another stop, and

examine your motives. Then ask why are you really flaming them?

Most likely is is to fulfill a need the Flamer has, and if that is the case well......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I think people misunderstand what flaming is. Flaming isn't telling someone to search, or telling them they posted in the wrong section, or correcting a mistake they made....flaming is a deliberate attempt to cause attention to yourself through making someone else miserable. Like bullying. For example my posts sometimes are straight and to the point. This is the wrong forum, lets keep this thread from getting out of control, etc. sometimes people see this and just jump on the drama train. before thinking someone is getting flamed, we have to stop and ask ourselves if its that, or if he's just getting instructed. Remember its the internet so sometimes how we mean to say things gets lost in translation. Wouldn't it be easier if somehow we could show voice inflection in our posts? Haha. one love :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
I'm not sure those posts ("wrong section" posts) are even necessary. Once the thread is reported and subsequently moved, the OP is notified. This automatically teaches them the error of their ways.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] shoman94:
isn't that what Smiles are for? :silly:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Harry_Y:
I find it amusing that the very person whom started this thread

(that should really be in General area and not in a device specific area).

Is the very one who struck me as one of the one who is

quick to flame, slow to help and generally on the rude side.

Lighten up, you will earn respect and not appear as the fool.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Arguing won't solve anything. Pm if u wanna talk, let's not make this personal. I'm direct and sonetimes people can mistake it for rudeness. But I have made mistakes and taken it too far once or twice. I'll own that. But we're all part of the same thing here. Good luck, happy flashing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] moneyover:
I dont know if youre new or something but all the members here are respectfull and straightforward so deal with it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] htcmodteam:
I do find sometimes the response to some questions is harsh,but in some ways straight to the point.

What would be good is a guide to everything on each phone so for rooting,installing a rom and recovery. Etc Full details in why we do it.

Also set apps for noobs to start with as it gets a bit mind blowing with 4-5 apps to do one thing. Make it simple for the noob... OK I know its a case of searching but would save time for everyone.

Also have a noob area where for the first month they are allowed to go. Or a noon can only post in the noob forum of the handset. This will get people to read the threads.and understand thing more Indepth.

I have gone from a desire hd to a razr, now they are both different in e eryway to root etc but the end product is the same. It took some reading on here and Motorola's website.

Samsung I understand have a counter so this I guess causes issues,it would have for me as I've so far installed a new rom every weeks on the desire hd.

Overclocking can do it easy on a desire hd... not so easy on razr.

All these things add up to a pain in the ass when searching. Could be good to have a xdawikifor each phone not only for the website.

So to end I know I will get flak for things I've said but do I care no not really as its all politely said. And all I will say it this "WE WERE ALL NOOBS ONCE"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
We have plenty of tutorials on everything
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
That we do my friend. That we do. What really can mess someone up first getting their feet wet is some older posts and methods on other forums being followed, so for anyone new here, make sure u only use info found here. It'll help in the long run.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TonyStark R.I.P.:
A poin most should have taken out of the OP you wrote. This things tend to take on a life of their own after a while.

Bottom line

From the man himself.. oh and they are part of the rules;)

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1 is very much for the new comer... 2&3 are for all of us, that have been here long enough to know a simple helping hand never hurts anybody.