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[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Com'on compare the SGS3 and XS, there is NO lag watsoever in case of samsung powerhouse.

Compare the camera as well, camera os XS is not having edge over samsungs.

Only the design is better for XS.
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
This is relevant because?

It's also not true, Apple have earmarked a huge chunk of their cash to be returned as dividends to shareholders, up to $50 per share and to buy Sony would cost way more than their market capitalisation. Sony are massively undervalued when one considers the sum of their parts, the problem so many of us have in the markets is that we've all heard this "One Sony" plan before with Sir Howard, it was called "Sony United" back then, but the plan was essentially the same. Break down the silos, unite the company and run it top down with a single vision driving a unified R&D effort.

The reason Sony's stock price has drifted so much in recent times is that it is difficult to see how Kaz can succeed in driving out Sony's legendary bureaucrats and bring in dynamic management that will save the company. They have shown no signs in the last year of having a hit product while Samsung has successfully released the GS3 and the well received ES8000 TV, which, despite having worse PQ and being more expensive, has outsold Sony's competing TV the HX850.

I want to see Sony become the market leader again, but not in terms of volume, they will never be able to compete with Samsung for volume, but in terms of quality Sony should be second only to Apple. They can drive towards quality and margin, releasing 12 devices with 9 of them in the budget range is not going to give them a decent margin. I want Kaz to succeed, and he needs to heed the advice of analysts and the markets, cut the number of products, reform the line up and concentrate on 5-7 halo products a year with full marketing and R&D.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
agree, Sony should concentrate on Quality Products and not on quantity!!!
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
The screen size on the X-S is not large enough, but the physical size lends itself to a 4.6" screen.

I didn't say that all of Sony's phones should go up against the GS3, I was pointing out that Sony have announced or released 11 devices for western markets this year and not a single one can hold its own with the GS3. That is negligent.

On volume vs margin, one only needs to look at Sony vs Apple to see which company comes out on top. Apple just passed a $500bn market cap, Sony are sitting at just under $20bn. Sony tried to compete with Samsung in terms of volume, losing its way on quality in the process, while Apple ran away with the top end of the market.

Sony are suffering from the same problem that plagued Nokia post iPhone/iPad. Thankfully they haven't taken the same stupid action and destroyed Nokia, but they have been too slow to react in the mobile device market and with ongoing trouble in TVs (they haven't been profitable in the TV division since 2004) Kaz needs to come up with a fix. My guess is that the fix does not involve releasing dozens of low quality low end handsets and selling them on the cheap, let Samsung do that and go after the GS3 and iPhone profits. Market share means nothing if they can't make money from it.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
apple is extremely focused on their products and look at how successful it is right now? apple products also enter and compete in japanese market which was impossible years ago
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Back to Topic :D

Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4 chips will have supply issues until 2013

Will this have an effect on future Sony devices like Hayabusa? Due to this HTC is already equipping their HTC One S in some markets with the S3 instead of S4.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/13/3082481/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-28nm-shortage-tsmc

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OH LORD! Take a look at this

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/06/13/rumour-xperia-z-flagship-to-launch-in-august-2012/

Just one word, Awesome! (If true)

Okay, if this rumor is true, then the Style of the Invite for the 20th would make sense. Colorful=OLED screen, “Let your imagination take flight” = camera-centric/cybershot camera. But this is just speculation.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
U13X stated a long time ago that the true Sony phones will be out in Q3 and Q4. All the Sony phones that have been announced and released this year are SE phones,
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
:confused::eek: :confused:

Wish 20th june come soon.........................

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I dont think unknown13x knew anything about these models (if its true though)

If its true that uptil now Sony was just off loading pre designed models???
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
This is new to me, and I really cant wait!!!
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Still rumour, i dont want to raise my expectations now ;)
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Look, that post at XperiaBlog is based on a blog comment in a previous post. I wouldn't take it very seriously. I hope to that it's true and I will come here and eat a massive plate of crow if it is true, but I just don't see it. Where have Sony sourced non PenTile OLED screens from (that's why they haven't gone OLED yet), how have they sourced enough 28nm MSM8960/8260A from to equip 4 high end phones which will do gangbusters in Q4. The rumour doesn't make sense.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Don't put your hopes to high. On 20th June they could present anything.
[Xperia Z General] thorstenn:
Well Xperiablog have heard this from their own sources as well. FYI they have an excellent track record regarding rumors. Lets hope its true :)

http://www.oled-info.com/auo-will-start-shipping-amoled-panels-june-both-sony-and-auo
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I said the One X lagged, not the GS3. It's fine. It's actually over powered! No problem with that - and the display is lovely too.

However, I have to disagree on the camera. Both cameras are great (the One X is good too). Again, for most purposes all are way above what people need - but the camera button makes the Xperia S easier to use. I find that hard to ignore.

To be honest, I don't know why HTC and Samsung don't put buttons on (maybe because Apple doesn't?). They both did for Windows Phone though, which is a requirement, and I think that makes it even more stupid.

Okay, personal opinion, but I am sure most people who had the opportunity to have all three phones (and the One S, One V and an Xperia P and U) all next to each other would agree that the phones with the camera key are more useful. That is unless you're not bothered about imaging.

Anyway, I'm happy with my Xperia S and can see myself having this for at least six months before changing. For me, that's quite a seal of approval!!
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
AUO makes excellent displays. My VAIO Z has an AUO display and it easily beats any laptop on the market when it comes to color gamut, and it has excellent contrast and viewing angles on top of that. If AUO makes phone displays with the same backlight types they used for my VAIO they could be on a winner too. Color accuracy of LCD's is still much higher than it is on OLED displays.

I'm not sure if they were from AUO, but Sony's used OLED displays before, starting with the Walkman X-series. I have one, and it's quite nice. At full brightness there is perfect color balance, and everything is very vivid. Contrast isn't completely infinite, even 'black' pixels still glow very, very, very dimly.

But again, I don't expect any of these rumoured handsets to be released in 2012. Yes, we'll see the international GX, and perhaps something more powerful near the end of the year, but you really shouldn't expect anything special from Sony the next few months. Really.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It does read like someone stating their fantasy phone idea.

I did think that Sony would re-introduce its big brand names to mobile after buying Ericsson out of the JV. Given Walkman is back, it makes sense (logically and business sense wise) to bring back Cyber-shot.

If only to remind the tech sites that Sony is a player in imaging. It has been pretty quiet of late, which is ironic given the Exmor R sensor is extremely good - and even used in the iPhone 4S. Yet, supposed experts on tech sites are always saying how fantastic the 4S is and often slagging off the image quality from handsets like the Xperia arc/arc S or Xperia S.

Now HTC and Samsung have each started to use loads of buzz words and pushed image quality and, once again, Sony gets left behind.

Sony needs to play the game. It needs to make a big fuss of its technology and heritage and the quality. Sony Ericsson used to do this when it was allowed to use the Cyber-shot name, with the K800, C905 etc. It had presentations showing how images were enhanced and had clever features like BestPic.

Sony has a heritage and should play on its former reputation for quality. I think it potentially has a better chance than even Samsung. LG I'd consider dead in the water. It isn't just about making good smartphones, but also the tablets and smart TVs that will all work together.

I do think this is what Sony WANTS to do too.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
A Xperia phone with Cybershot guts has been a dream of mine for months now, so this rumour has me excited. I've always looked at Sonys T series of cameras and wondered why the hell they can't put that in a cell phone, especially since they're not much thicker than most phones these days anyways.

It is also worth noting that the T series cameras do have OLED touchscreen displays, so does anyone know if Sony makes them in-house or if they come from AUO? I don't imagine their picture quality would be suitable enough for a cell phone, but it's just interesting to see that Sony has been using OLED in other facets of their business for a while now, even though their cell phones have yet to get one.

Personally I was going to wait until CES 2013 to see if Sony would toss out a giant 1080p phone with a cybershot-level camera and whatnot, but if this new rumour turns out to be true, I might not be able to hold myself back. Sure it won't have a 1080p display, but a quality camera (hopefully with a xenon flash?) is what I really wanted.
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
I agree, also they have previously stated that the Xperia S is the big flagship for this year. We may see the GX this year but it won't be till the end of the year. I am betting that it is some more low-mid phones which they will announce.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
This is from March 1st.

The Hayabusa as it’s codenamed, is rumoured to be the un-released and un-announced Snapdragon S4 1.5Ghz dual core Sony Xperia Z though nothing is concrete on that.

Based on the rumor from 3 months ago the Xperia Z could be the Hayabusa.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
This is weird, since teardowns show, that iPhone 4S and Galaxy S3 both use the same camera sensor produced by Sony.

This could be a classical marketing footgun where Sony marketing insists of putting supposedly "better" 12 megapixels while competition wisely chose "worse" 8mpx modules. All things being equal 8mpx module will produce less noisy (and probably better overall) images.

On the other hand, even if Sony has some good sensors, it does not mean it gets them for free or is prepared to add that cost to their BOM. Or is willing to spend considerably more for better optics.

So if Apple drops by with a truckload of cash and says "all your best sensors are belong to us", then Apple gets better sensors and Sony uses themselves what's left.

I suspect it is precisely why Samsung gets hold of this sensor only now when production of iPhone 4S is slowly tailing off and the upcoming iphone 5 will probably use something else.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Sony still gets money for all the sensors. They designed the BSI system (back-side illumination) which still allows for more light sensitivity at the same sensor and lens sizes. Either they make the sensors, or they let another company license the technology. Either way, Sony gets money for them.

Sony's sensors are top-notch. Nikon even uses the more high-end larger sensors in their big DSLR cameras.

And yes, I'd much rather have a 5MP camera with excellent noise levels than the 12MP cam I have now.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I am not saying Sony is left using inferior sensors. I'm saying they use the SAME sensors found elsewhere, yet people are just saying Apple, HTC or Samsung are best because those companies are saying they're the best. If you can give a keynote saying something impressive and get Engadget, CNET, Gizmodo to quote it - you're half way there.

People believe hype these days. That's why we have quad-core processors going in phones and everyone saying we

need

them!!

I am surprised Sony just sits back and keeps fairly quiet, but maybe that's about to change if it brings back the Cyber-shot branding on its H2 announcements.

Frankly, I can't believe they ever got rid of Cyber-shot or Walkman from the high-end models before. I understand why they thought it was a good idea, to protect the other Sony businesses, but it was still stupid!
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Well a camera isn't only about the sensor, but also the optics and software driving it. In that case even 2 phones using the same sensor could give different quality results.

I do wonder why they don't give phone users the ability to shoot in RAW format rather than have to suffer through JPEG compression.
[Xperia Z General] viiv:
I think the T-series Lens rumor is BS. You do realize how much space a T-series lens takes internally right, the lens would have to cut through the entire inside of the phone with count them, 8 seperate glass lens elements. I don't think Sony is at the point yet of being able to cram this in a cell phone with all the other electronics inside. Let me show you a cross section of a T series camera. The lens you see from the oustide isn't the real lens, there is a a 45 degree angle mirror inside that shines all the light into the real lens barrel which is two inches long minimum. A Sony T-Series camera is like a submarine periscope with how it works as you can see from the cross section I attached. Look at that cross section, to be able to put that kind of glass and a real 1/2.3" image sensor into a high spec phone that already costs $600 and now were looking at a $1000+ phone. So even if you get past the technical challenges there is the cost challenge. Maybe in a few years but not now, but then you would have the first cell phone with a 'real' camera. There is a reason a Sony DSC-TX200V costs $499.99.
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
Xperia NXT owners – use this app to get notifications via the transparent bar

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...NvbS5ydW5kZ29uZy5pbGx1bWluYXRpb25jb250cm9sIl0.

NOW THE QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T SONY DID THIS, LACK OF BRAINS !!!!
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
are people actually developing rumors based on other rumors right here?
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
That's often the case.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Okay I've been following the news and rumors about the Hayabusa for a quite long time now. If I'm not mistaken, the Hayabusa will be the GX without LTE and a slightly different design. Specs-wise it will have:

Android 4.0 ICS

4,6" HD LCD Display 1196x720p (ICS Software buttons like Galaxy Nexus)

A Qualcomm 8960 S4 CPU @ 1,5 Ghz

1 GB RAM

16 GB internal storage + microSD Card slot

New developed stacked CMOS sensor @ 13MP capable of HDR video-recording

Plastic body, but removable Battery @ 1750mAh

No native HDMI port, but MHL

Smartdock?! In question, but considering that the Hayabusa won't support a native HDMI port and the fact that MHL isn't able to handle video and data at the same time, I have the feeling that there won't be smartdock for the Hayabusa. Maybe a HDMI dock for video output, but no usb ports to connect a keyboard or a mouse.

Did I forget something?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
@zymo

Specs-wise it will have:

Android 4.0 ICS

4,6" HD LCD Display 1196x720p (ICS Software buttons like Galaxy Nexus)

A Qualcomm 8960 S4 CPU @ 1,5 Ghz *** NOT SURE ***

1 GB RAM

16 GB internal storage + microSD Card slot *** NOT SURE ***

New developed stacked CMOS sensor @ 13MP capable of HDR video-recording

Plastic body, but removable Battery

@ 1750mAh *** NOT SURE ***

No native HDMI port, but MHL *** NOT SURE ***

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] Cholek3:
Sure.:)
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Xperia GX arriving in July in Japan.Pictures of the NTT DoCoMo version leaked along with specs (in Japanese).

xperiablog.net/2012/05/11/xperia-gx-to-launch-in-july-xperia-sx-in-august/
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Looking at above picture, it seems that the headphone jack is at the side??!!??
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I think it shows the top of the device
[Xperia Z General] 2ji8888:
better than sxs? hmmm
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Is it better than the xperia s? Well in design, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally prefer the elegant minimalist design of the xperia s and also it's more masculine.

In terms of specs, the test will be in what kind of CPU it comes with. If S4, then you have to say yes. If S3, then no.

I think the xperia s and ion will remain marginally better because of higher resolution screens and hdmi port.

The only reason folks here are getting so hyped up about these devices is that they desperately want to see the S4 but I fear they are just setting themselves up for a big disappointment.

Sure it has a bigger display but would I like to loose the sharp detail of the S, no most certainly not. High PPI does matter because even the smallest objects look super crisp. So much so it feels almost 3 dimensional.

I think I'll wait until next year when the first 1080p displays show themselves before moving to a bigger display.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
The GX has a ppi of 319 same as the ION. I had a G Nexus with a ppi of 316 and even with its pentile matrix the display was sharp. Maybe the GX hasn't got a native HDMI port, but MHL does the same. If the GX has a S4 CPU, microSD slot and better camera then I would definitely say its better than the XS.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
I think the phones work better without external drives. If the GX comes without sd card support, the only reason would be that Sony did not want it to surpass the ion but I think it will.

What I doubt though is the use of the s4 CPU.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Didn't "unknown13x" already confirmed that the GX will have a microSD slot and run on S4?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
But that not official n guaranteed, right?

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
why not? the arc s got a newer and better cpu as well. it will be the same with hayabusa and mint.

@unknown: xperiablog states, that the sony logo will light up. so will the xperia logo light up as well in the int. version?
[Xperia Z General] GT35pro:
I doubt 1080p is coming to any phone unless the screen is 5 inches and above like the note. The human eye will not be able to distinguish between 720 or 1080 in a 4.3 inch screen. Anything over 300 ppi is more than print resolution. By the way do you guys really know the real meaning of 'p' (1080p)? This is actually a video thing as some of the more well informed guys know.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
"p" stands for progressive scan. "i' stands for interlaced. I think that 720p is better than 1080i. Obviously, 1080p is the best. Here is a nice article explaining everything in details.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Xperia GX to launch in July, Xperia SX in August

Again, that is very long wait.

Didn't Sony state a few months back that they will shorten the time between announcement and release dates?
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
4k hd is the best ;)
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
That is for the Japanese market. I wonder how much longer do we have to wait for the international version? :confused: :eek:
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
add a month or two to that...
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I am buying Xperia S then, donno when Sony will speak about GX i version !!!!

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
The whole rumor posted at xperiablog is based on a comment.

And the details which "ties" in with what xperiblog have heard from their sources could be anything. We know that Sony is using the S4 CPU in GX and SX, so it wouldn't surprise me to see this CPU beeing used in several more devices. And beside that it's well known that there will be a Sony smartphone with an OLED screen. The Cybershot branding is nothing new, SE has used it in past and Sony will surely brand some phones with CS.

Just wait for the 20th, but don't expect to see the unexpected.
[Xperia Z General] Nimche:
rumors give Sony ideas to what to do or not to do next.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Says you! I'm expecting the following:

- 5" 1080p flexible OLED with white magic (why flexible? I dunno, just because!)

- 24 megapixel Cybershot sensor with 5x optical zoom and xenon flash

- 2 gigs of RAM, 32 gigs of internal memory + expandable storage

- That fancy tech they have patented where all the front sensors + camera are put behind the screen rather than on the bezel... and make the front shooter 5MP!

- 3,000 mAh battery

- Aluminum/magnesium unibody that's waterproof/dustproof.

- Optional accessory dock that'll turn it into the Xperia Play 2

If I see anything short of the above at the event on the 20th, then I shall declare Sony dead and buried, and will burn my x10a in disgust!

/end wankish rant

Heh, seriously though I am quite excited about this. One would think that a constant stream of cell phone announcements could get boring after a while, but I'm loving this! Sure not every device can be a superphone, and not every device will reach my market here in Canada. All of this makes me think that Sony wants to take their mobile division seriously and are going to work their arses off to make it succeed.
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
Now i will just treat those rumors carefully

I don't want to end up disappointed like the Iphone 4S and the hype recently :>

*vivftp:

-5" OLED .... are you mad?? O.o we all knew that the OLED Sony bought from AUO can be available by Q4 or Q1 next year (the soonest)

-With that type of Camera sensor is pointlest, and with Xeon flash?? it just makes ur phone as thick as a brick =.=

-2 GB of RAM seem hard to be done by this year but 32 GB and SD card is sure :D

-5MP Front camera .......

-battery seems to be impossible (keep dreaming :))

-Metal Unibody can be done with Mint :D

-the PS dock is a really good idea but i don't think Sony will apply that soon

->Dreaming is ok but don't post something that unrealistic in here you might end up disappointing yourself when the news come out

For me the GX is enough and as like hell i would choose something else over it.... (except better Xperia phone :D)
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
didn't we just had a rumor with high expectation burst? look at how people reacted to that, not sure if we want to repeat the same thing again.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Meh, rumours like these will always produce strong reactions amongst the fanbase. Especially when rumours come from pretty reliable sources like Xperiablog, there isn't really a way to manage it as a whole. We can try to manage our own personal expectations, but there'll be so many more out there reading these rumours and thinking the greatest phone ever built is about to be announced and will go ape**** if/when the rumours turn out to be innacurate.

We all want Sony to take things to the next level and squish all competitors. All fans/fanboys think that of their respective brands whether they want to admit it or not.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
to the point where someone wait in line for first release of a new flagship product, then smash it in front of the line :D