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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Thank you man... how ironic is it that he would post comments in a post called

You just gotta sit back and LOL RRL:laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Harry_Y:
I will admit I kind of just shook my head and watched.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] phermey:
not pointing out the op solely, dont know him.. but as a newer and dev contributing member here, i have noticed that a lot of people are just rude as they sit on top of their soapbox. they get a few posts under their belt and from there half of their posts are.. you need to search. u didnt follow the rules. read the FAQ. etc. and its never short and sweet from these guys. sometimes they even go on to type out a long explanation as to why and how they are negatively affecting the community by making such posts. which is about as ludicrous and pointless as this entire thread. they could have answered the question in half the time. many of the people asking the noob questions are scared. scared that they will brick their phone and scared that they will be ridiculed. i personally would think that this site is the one site where the latter would never come into account. but it does all too often. the whole point of android is openness and the people that should 'get it'.. dont have a clue.

anyways i just find it annoying and extremely negative overall for these guys to be such an a$$ and wanted to rant for a bit. i feel i should point out that i am not talking about red and divine, or the devs of their own threads.

too many imo. you can easily find three or four threads on how to root on the front pages around here. and all of them are different in how they go about it. i for one found it very difficult to take the leap into flashing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
guYI think people misunderstand what they are in for when they come here. This place is primarily for development. This community was built around that. They don't need us. These developers would still be developing, whether this site was here or not. But it is so they share. What this site ISN'T is a help desk. People are expected to read and search (yes this includes Google) and know the basics of how to flash and use their phones BEFORE flashing something and bricking their device. I realize that sometimes it seems people are rude or short tempered. I myself have been called a jerk here once in a while, and sometimes I deserved it! And there are some people who love to flame. But the majority are good people. We do however expect if you're going to be here, and yer new(like we all were once) that you take the initiative to use common sense and not post a question until you have exhausted all other resources. Good luck all, happy flashing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] phermey:
i agree. to an extent. this site may be for development. but it is also a hub for people to come and try out rooting and flash roms and run into issues with thier devices. you cant have one without the other when there is open enrollment. if xda was an invite only type site, then i could see a reason behind all of the smartassedness. but its not. the devs are busy enough doing their coding, supporting their roms and kernels, and living their lives. the people that go around bashing are mostly peeps that were in the same situation at one point or another, or a guy that tweaked a kernel and now thinks he is the bees knees. they for some reason feel some sort of ownership in things and try to be mods. and are very bad at it. just look at the help! thread you commented on and the asshole pic that the dude posted. there is never a reason for that. if someone is that tired of seeing the common questions... then STOP SURFING THE SITE LOOKING FOR A REASON TO BE AN ASS. <--thats all im trying to say.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
That help thread, i couldn't help myself. That is the worst thread I've ever seen, I didn't think someone was actually that uninformed, but I was wrong and that picture certainly expressed that. What you're saying is very different than what phalanx is saying
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Harry_Y:
Amen

I have been on both sides, the noob and the experienced guy.

As I see it There will always be something new to learn, and I do not

need to beat up a new guy who may have something to bring to the table.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] GigDroid:
Spoken like someone with no experience in software at all. Bugs are a part of software period. Like someone already mentioned, what you should really be comparing is response time and accessibility. Google and samsung both produce "final" software with terrible bugs. However, at least on xda, most of the devs fix Google and samsung bugs ON TOP of their own FOR FREE and FASTER than both companies. Food for thought.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TonyStark R.I.P.:
P here's the curve-ball in this statement. I'm sure one, that was never expected...

This called Developers.... My guess is that less then 1/4 of the ru's are developers....

It's a tough act.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I could be wrong. Maybe I am. But I thought we could all use a refresher on this hea' shtuff. I know sometimes it's hard, and sometimes we all just wanna let lose and post because we're sick of searching. Or maybe we're new and just want answers. But remember folks. We're a community of peeplz trying to develop ideas, help each other, influence positive change in whatever circles we can touch, and generally happily cohabitate here. Keep the good times rolling.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nakedninja42:
Why do you have to resurrect an old thread!! J/K!!!! :D

Much love for xda and this community!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TheGame316:
I agree and disagree with a lot of the points brought up in this thread. When i start with my x10 minipro i was completely new to android. I also started on a different site. I did what was asked and read and read and read. Now loading my first rom i followed the instructions to the letter only to have it not work. After asking questions i was flamed incessantly. So i decided to do more research and found xda. Well it turned out that the instructions were worded in wrong order. So i went back to the original site (which shall remain nameless) explained in the original thread what went wrong so new people did not end up in the same position as i was and then went on a tirade about the treatment of new members.

You see without new members learning there will end up being no development. As people move on to bigger and better devices you lose that persons knowledge to the forum (unless they still call in to check whats going on, but they are usually no longer developing for that device.)

I do agree that some people are just lazy and expect that the developers are there personally for them and i believe they deserve every flame filled tirade.

The suggestion of an android for dummies forum is brilliant. It could be setup that instead of the 10 post rule that this thread be read before you can post, ask questions etc. Now then if a person asks questions that have been addressed in this thread, the moderators could ban them until this thread is readdressed. 3 times and its game over.

As i said i am not a developer and until now really did not have the time to try and i also relied on my phone too much to play around too much. Now i have swapped phones, i have started using the old one to learn more. Plus i broke my back and have the time to do this.

I will end this long thread on this point. Every single one of you was a new android user (i hate the word newb) and needed somebody to help them at some time. So show a little respect to those that are trying to learn but may not grasp it as easily as you think you did. But if that new user is showing disrespect or asking the same silly questions over and over, or demanding things happen; then unleash your fury on them and i will sit back with the popcorn.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I dig your approach, and your values. And surprisingly I agree with u, although we all know what happens when we have a bunch of kids in the kiddy pool (equating this to the noobie forum area idea), sometimes things get out of control. But I suppose if moderators would be willing to actually moderate another sub forum, then sure why not. My biggest fear and problem with a noob area in the past was that it wouldn't force them to do research on their own.

Sent from Team Pirate Headquarters. AKA yer moms basement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TheGame316:
After reading your post Phalanx and rereading mine I could imagine the nightmare that could be without constant moderation. Maybe have android basics only not device specific. I have found myself that researching the basics means i have asked less silly questions and understand more why certain things need to be done. As i said my dramas were on another site and i have found xda more forgiving when asking valid questions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
We here at XDA won't flame you if you ask something valid, well, not too much anyway :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] PeartFan40:
O_o

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"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice

http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?a=81
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
What I do miss badly on this forum is an index.

A thing like that could make a search a lot easyer.

A simple index with the meaning of mic swap for example or inverted gapps, gapps, kernel, ROM, ported, etc....things that a noob should know cuz its really hard to find a topic that explain what a inverted gapp mean.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Caliesv:
When I don't know what an acronym means on here, I just do a quick Google search. There is tons of information out there. Especially during these times, 2012+ where information is EXTREMELY easy to get from the internet, there is no real excuse why someone couldn't find the meaning of something they don't understand. I'm sure most of us remember seeing or hearing about encyclopedia sells men going door to door? That was the only way to look things up, BOOKS. :D

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
Then try to find the meaning of mic swap. You'll see that is not that easy...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] 122ninjas:
http://bit.ly/SbS3jT
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dandrumheller:
I LOL'd - haven't seen that in a while :) And how about that - first hit, 3rd or 4th post down with the correct answer. Nope, that wasn't too hard.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Remember its not just about searching. If someone doesn't know how to search well, it doesn't matter if he takes hours trying to read through information, cause he's not reading the correct information, cause he searched the wrong terms. Know what I mean.? You got to have your Google-fu strong.

Sent from Team Pirate Headquarters. AKA yer moms basement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Caliesv:
#BOOM. That just happened.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RatusNatus:
I bet it was not his first attempt.

He just tried several times till get the one that fits here.

So what you are telling me is that before try to search the new user must develop his google-Fu.

So the NOOB user must be a internet PRO.

LOL, ok.

Please, keep your problem. i'm not here anymore.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Haha nah. But it does help to have a firm grasp on how to search and searching terms.

Sent from Team Pirate Headquarters. AKA yer moms basement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Cmoore0965:
I came to android due to a friend of mine, and admittedly I got to watch him root a few phones first hand before I bought my i777. That being said, he had an epic 4g touch, and I still had a lot to learn when I first plugged that usb into my laptop. I was a little annoyed at the introductory video for xda's assumptions at my stupidity, but the more I've read of other peoples' follies, and cries for help over trivial common knowledge, has led me to believe in its point all the more. I'm not a particularly ill tempered person, doubt I'll ever flame someone personally, but I came fresh, I double checked procedure on anything I ever tried for a first time on my phone, and I've never once posted a thread, or question as to how to repair a soft brick I've caused. It really is all here. Advice I might have to noobs, which I still consider myself, is perhaps not to shoot for all general knowledge off the bat. Instead, find a rom/kernel/mod/whatever that you want, THEN read. You've already found it, obviously, now read the whole Damn thread. Mic-swap vs nomswap, known issues such as back in early ics, it's honestly all repeated in each and every pertinent thread. That said, mean spiritedness isn't a good thing, ever. But I've seen very little, if any honest spite for the sake of spite around here. So take it with a grain of salt, refine your search of knowledge, and I can tell you from personal experience, you'll find what you need very easily.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] steffes:
while searching for various bits of info i came across a very helpful thread that someone had referenced and it turned out to be from the > Samsung Galaxy S II I9100 > Galaxy S II General forum/section. i believe it has become a sticky somewhere on xda, because of a comment made by the originator 'willk22' on page 11 of his thread, but i can't seem to find the sticky:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1125282

i wonder how many mod's/dev's in this forum (i777) or any xda forum have actually seen this basic guide that addresses many useful terms, procedures, etc.? as i read through his initial post, it seemed to me that this would be ideal to have something like this stickied to the general section of all android forums on xda, albeit with some modifications for specific phones and maybe the occassional updating as well.

i certainly think it would serve everyone's interest if the info contained in willk22's guide was stickied in all 'general' sections for all android phones or just linked at top of all general sections and said READ THIS FIRST

finally, i have literally spent days trying to download various odin one click downloaders (like I777_UCKH7_OCD_No_BL.7z for example) from link that takes user to some 'hotfile' site only to get as far as 93% of the ~270MB file before it times out and stops downloading. then when you try to download it again, it says you must wait 30 minutes before you can start download process again. i still haven't been able to successfully download that file yet because of timing out before it completely downloads! i did have better luck when downloading files from http://dev-host.org/UWm, a site that entropy512 seems to prefer to use, but even that site times out on me alot. also, it would be handy to have a single location to go to where the most current builds, versions, etc. could be found. i've read comments like "search for the most recent version of (this or that)" but what is the best way to do that?

anyways, just my 2 cents -- this seemed like a good place for my nooby feedback so i thought i'd throw these thoughts out there. hopefully i will be able to download the I777_UCKH7_OCD_No_BL.7z file soon so i can get back to trying to fix the audio probs i'm having still. thought i'd try this stock kh7 version since last time i flashed the I777UCKH7-CL503881-No-BL did not appear to resolve the problem with audio
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
If those things sound foreign to a new user then it just points to the fact that they need to do a lot more research and are not yet ready to start messing around with their phone. It does not indicate a deficiency in this forum, which is primarily aimed at developers and naturally of a technical nature.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] steffes:
i have removed the quote by ratusnatus as well as my comment about him raising some valid points in this thread (in my previous post above) as i feel it deters from the main point of my last post.

http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=1125282

willk22 has composed a very helpful tool for all. it seems to me that it could very useful not just here in the i777 forum, but throughout xda for noobs while also helping the mod's & dev's at the same time in obvious ways. i think what ratusnatus was trying to do was provide some insight from a noob's perspective -- i'm sure we can all agree that there IS a great deal of info to search/read through. and of course, as others point out accurately in this thread, some are more gifted than others in choosing what words to use to search to help 'hone in' more quickly than others. in any case, it is probably 'perceived' by many that folks are just lazy, etc. (of course some are) when in fact they may have researched for hours (maybe not as efficiently as others could) then of course peeps get offended, feelings are hurt, bla, bla, bla.

soooooo, getting back to what willk22 has started, i think would be worth building off of.

he clearly put some time and effort into this and seems to me that it wouldn't take too much time/effort to tweak differences unique to each forum updating it periodically, of course might take a bit more time.

maybe i'm way off, but it would seem very beneficial to not only make this a must read by all noobs (if for nothing else they will know this reference exists) and possibly make it the first sticky in all forum's general section titled something like READ THIS FIRST or whatever.

what say others? to those who have taken time to look through willk22's thread, what do you think? organization can be a wonderful thing --

-- wish i could get at least one car in my garage!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
I think the idea is a great one. And that it would benefit a large majority of new people if that sort of thing existed. But that's the problem with grand ideas. They don't often live up to their namesake. Do "noobs", and I hate that reference but for lack of a better word ill use it, read stickies now? No. Are we constantly referring them to stickies that already exist? Yes. So while we may have this huge awesome new thread with noobery questions answered and blah blah.... If they never see it because they don't bother looking for it, countless new threads will continue to be made. I've been considering making a new thread relative to this idea. Things are still forming in my head. But as I'm a writer, it sometimes takes me a while before thoughts coalesce. :P

Sent from Team Pirate Headquarters.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
To further the point. I actually made a request/idea to the Mods/Admins in the RC forum that is along these lines(this conversation).

It's here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29108662&postcount=323 (not sure if non-RC's will be able to view since it was posted in a private forum)

It may or may not help but I think something more should be done to reinforce users what the RULES are.

Edit: @Phalanx, I have 20 more posts than you(but you joined like a year after) ;):p:highfive:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
I can't, says I don't have permission, oh well.

Sent from Team Pirate! Using Tapatalk 2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
Aw damn! When I get time I'll copy/paste :D

Sent from the Nodes of Ranvier
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
Its here:

We all know that with the rising popularity of Android comes the rising popularity of XDA. Over the last few months I noticed an alarming number of posts that are just plain, useless, redundant, and completely obvious that the user did NOT search or know the rules of XDA. I know most people want instant gratification and will post to get their answers now, but if there was somehow a way to reinforce the RULES.

Here's my idea:

DISCLAIMER: I apologize if this has been proposed before(although I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere).

When a new member joins XDA, require the following:

1. The member has access to only one post/forum, and only ONE, and its here: http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?a=81

2. New member must read it, entirely, and must have some type of E-signature/CAPTCHA before they can proceed

3. After completing, then the new member may access other forums/areas of XDA.

I know you can't make people read, but it seems like new members sign up and then just start trying to "figure it out for themselves". Some don't even know the rules(obviously) and it makes for cluttered/frustrating threads. At least it will require they read(have to look at) the rules before they can do anything else. Thoughts?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Hmmm sounds intriguing. I way to kind of force them to at least have read them all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] wgoldfarb:
Taking this one step further, and to make sure people actually read instead of just scrolling down to the captcha, what if instead of a traditional Captcha, the text they have to enter is something about the text they just read? One quick question that, if they really read the text, they would know the answer. It could be something not too obvious, that they would only know if they actually read.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Phalanx7621:
Like a mini quiz or something haha. It would take longer to get through the sign up process which would bother some people. But it would also deter those who are just here to mess around or ask silly questions I suppose. Not a bad idea, let's see what the mods say.:)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] bigmasa:
Hi,

I have an One X with software number 1.29.401.7. If I install an app (it is not reproducible with data like mp3, pictures or movies) into the phone storage and start the app, my One X has problems with the phone storage.

After reboot or shut down of my phone I lost 1 GB of storage everytime I do this. I can do this until the storage is completely full. If I move the app back to internal storage and erase phone storage I have no problems with reboot or shut down.

I also had tried a factory reset, but the problem came back with the first app in phone storage.

I have tried it with differt apps, like angry birds.

Did anyone know the problem. Can anyone reproduce it?

HTC don't know this error and I shoult let it repair because it coult be a hardware error. If it is an software problem with the newest version, I will wait for the next update befor I will send it to HTC.

Excuse of my english

with kind regards,

Marc
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krasavchik:
Hi again, i have problem with Kies. When I try to update my phone, something goes wrong... Kies shows theres new update available for my phone but when i click on orange UPDATE button nothing happens.:confused: My phone does not go in download mode, kies don't show any notices, installation progress bars, NOTHING!! Just kies don't respond. I already uninstalled and then again installed kies but again the same problem.:( My phone: Samsung Galaxy S II GT-I9100G with stock rom but custom kernel and laptop with windows 7 home premium x64. Please Help.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The-Hulk:
Just flash a stock rom through Odin, it does the same job as kies only faster, you can find a stock rom here.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikhil92:
Helloz Ppl...

Am Using Full Screen Caller ID

works perfect... but the problem is , wen i recieve a call, even the default caller starts n there in a small delay before the FSC appears... anyway to fix this or remove the default caller ? :)

Thanx
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Aiwa:
If I have rooted my xperia ray & have Clockworkmod Recovery on it, can I install custom ROMs?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] albagani:
search for your answer in here mate, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1450295
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Aiwa:
I'll try, thanks for quick reply! :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Aiwa:
After searching through that thread, I can't find an answer..