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[Xperia Z General] Why So Serious?:
The display on my XS is meh too. So was the display on the Arc S, the Arc and so on and so forth. They've never been terrible, but have never been on the cutting edge either.

The biggest screen critics are probably the ones who have switched from the HTC Super LCDs or Samsung's Super Amoleds. Head on, Sony's screens look pretty good, but the moment you start turning the phone at all, the consistency you'd get at different viewing angles from either of the aforementioned screens goes right out of the window. For some it doesn't matter, but it does bother me.

Hopefully this triluminous business sorts it all out but I'll wait until I have one in my hands to judge. If all is good I reckon the Honami will be a very very popular phone. IMO all Sony really needs is a flagship display to sit within their flagship phones and they'll finally be recognized as one of the big boys.
[Xperia Z General] decentgi:
watch the language there sunshine.......im not ashamed to admit that i am a fan of sonys products for only one reason they make products that are visually attractive to me and in my opinion they make the best looking mobile phones out there. and to tell you the truth if samsung or htc or even motorolla made a phone that looked like the xperia z i would be the first to buy it simple but they dont. we know we are not going to get an inheritence out of the company if we pledge our loyalty.
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
Sony honami probably reveiled on september 4th. Cant wait to see what awaits us.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/07/1...-place-4-september-honami-unveiling-expected/
[Xperia Z General] katamari201:
Who said I was referring to you? If you weren't such a fanboy and only cared about the end products and not all the other BS, you shouldn't be offended. But the fact that you replied speaks for itself. And yes, there is a lot of sunshine in katamariville.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
that seems like way too far away.... especially with all these new phone announcements.

sony need to announce it now and start the hype train!
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
Sorry but i disagree with you here. Sony needs to create one amazing phone with amazing camera that will compete against Nokia 1020. Not just one more phone to start hype and be forgotten in two months.
[Xperia Z General] decentgi:
im not offended at all. if i took offence i would have attacked you with the same language you used to depict the sony fanboys, we are all adults here and all entitled to an opionion, the difference between an adult and a child is how he or she chooses to word a sentence....................... since you came out swinging i only asumed you were or are a young person thats why i said to watch your language. but yeah no offence taken at all. Sony was the leader in innovation and contributed to so much of what we have today and to that it needs respect......
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
announce it now and release 2 months later will most likely kill the hype train actually. Give it a little space between ZU, announce it in Sept and release it at the end of that month makes more sense.
[Xperia Z General] luisoman2000:
To be honest i don't think honami will be able to beat the 1020's camera, but it has the potential to be the best android cameraphone (despite what s4 zoom and htc one owners say). Hopefully they wont mess the camera algorithms like they have done with other models.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
COOL DOWN GUYS !!

Good to be a Sony fan boy but remember we are all android fans first - please control your emotions & don't turn this thread into war zone.

Agree Nokia Lumia 1020 camera is awesome and I can assure you Honami's camera will be nothing in front of Lumia 1020 but is this camera/photography forum? NO !!

We talking about phones and HONAMI is the biggest monster on papers right now so just wait for the Best from Sony !!
[Xperia Z General] luisoman2000:
Agree. I want to replace my ion with this beast. The fact that it will have a very good camera is just a plus.
[Xperia Z General] styxter:
I agree, a smart phone does not need to be the best in 1 category. We need a overall best. A camera phone in windows 8 is a disadvantage for now, due to android limitless customization and apps massiveness. I hope honami will make a good camera hardware and software capabilities and im really begging is the bigger battery capacity. If they put zu's hardware to honami, except only 5 inch size, big battery cap. Let's say 3,500 mah, and includes 2.1 mp front, rumor 20 mp camera Back, and physical aesthetic of zu or z. Plus software improvements il say this is the best of sony.
[Xperia Z General] :
Rumor: Lumia 1020 camera sensor is powered by Sony
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Where did you read that? Any link?

AFAIK it's made by Toshiba and not Sony. Sony WAS going to make the 1020 sensor but due to some issues, they couldn't.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Just curious as I may not be understanding your meaning there. When you say, "I can assure you Honami's camera will be nothing in front of Lumia 1020" what do you mean by that?

To be honest from what I can see they seem to be on pretty similar ground.

Link? It's more than likely made by Toshiba.
[Xperia Z General] :
That's why I said "rumor"
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Which is also why I asked for a link so we could find out the source of this rumor :)
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
And seriously, if someone thinks the Lumia 1020 will easily outperform Honami in camera department then I've gotta say they are in for a BIG surprise :)
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
I will say I like the grip accessory for the Lumia 1020 with the expandable battery. Considering Sony is already looking at add-on accessories like lenses for Honami, I wonder if they'll have something similar. I might not mind a but of extra bulk on part of Honami if it meant a more comfortable camera grip and extra battery life.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I hope it will be good surprise :)

Definitely gonna replace my Xperia Z with Xperia Honami (if battery is 3000 minimum)
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
It definitely will be. Honami camera part is looked after by the same team behind Sony Cybershot RX100 II and other guys from Sony Alpha and Handycam divisions. :cool:

In low light Honami will run rings around the Lumia 1020 thanks to higher ISO range, better back illuminated sensor(same size), HandHeld Twilight mode, much better pixel size - 1.7 micron vs 1.12 on the Lumia and the brighter f2.0 Sony G lens.

Battery IS 3000,
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Manual focus???

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Yes it does have manual focus, shutter speed control, aperture control. Full Manual :D Also some level of Contrast and saturation adjustments.
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
If all this is true it's definitely a buy for me.

Edit: I read what you wrote once more and OMG I really hope you are right. This would be a perfect phone for me.

And I hope that shutter speed would go up to 15seconds at least. Would be awesome for some long exposures.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I was thinking last night after the Lumia 1020 event that, even though I wouldn't buy it because I am not changing to Windows Phone just for a camera (just as I wasn't about to go back to Symbian for the 808 PureView, or even the N8 before that), it's actually a camera that is too much for most people.

The zoom is great. As is being able to take one photo and adjust the zoom after. That's one thing I have to admit is cool.

But, most of my photos don't need zoom. And the images I get now that Sony has improved the image processing on the Xperia Z are pretty stunning, helped a lot by the recent great weather which means fantastic outdoor shots that nearly look as good as photos from my DSLR.

As such, I'm actually quite content with what I have and most people are content with a lot worse when taking photos for social networking sites or using crap like Instagram.

Samsung has had some success with bloggers buying the Galaxy camera and may have some success with the Galaxy Zoom, but I don't think Sony needs to get into that market just yet (or not with this phone - perhaps something for 2014 as a Cyber-shot camera with integrated Android and Wi-Fi/4G?).

Just my own personal opinion, but to repeat - great as the Lumia 1020 is, I almost certainly won't be getting one. I wonder how many others will, or will be just as happy to get the 925 that's smaller and lighter and still takes great photos and video.
[Xperia Z General] amankapoor4:
I have a Xperia Z, which has now been stolen by my wife. I was thinking of buying a HTC one, but seeing that Krait 800 is almost here(G2 and Honami) decided to wait it out and have gone back to my old iPhone 4. I really hope Sony does a great job with the camera, i am not too happy with my Xperia Z camera.
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
New render picture of honami / i1
[Xperia Z General] amankapoor4:
Hmmm, looks very close to Z itself. Not sure if the back can be that sleek, specially with the rumored lens.
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
If this is real. I am interesting! I love all white.
[Xperia Z General] amankapoor4:
True, good they stuck to white in front as well, with Xperia Z, the front looks a little odd in black on a white handset. Guess the LED ox Xperia ZL will also make way to Honami. Hyped about the phone :)
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
why is the bezel so big, same touch screen tech as ZU?
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Too many inconsistencies... If we follow the pattern, the Walkman and Sony Select icons should be there. Also, official renders wouldn't have the icon of USB connection and the date wouldn't be late June for a phone that will be shown only in August or September...
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
Wow, so they have qualified personal. i just hope these people have the time and financial backup to really create something good!

Higher ISO range might be cool, lets just hope that doesn't end up in to much noise aka to much blurr on the picture because of noise reduction filter.

Wait... Manual Focus does NOT mean that you have a slider on the back of the camera, but that you can manual focus forward and back on the Touchscreen right?

But manual Shutter speed and appertur control sounds awesome! Always wanted to play around with these on a Smartphone... i was so disapointed when i changed from C905 to X10i. Nearly same level of disapointment as when i changed from S700i to W580.

Switching from X10i to Z was not such a big difference in camera. Well yeah, the quality is better. but you don't really notice that under bright daylight shots. The only really cool thing is the Burst Mode. (and man, the C902 already hat a Best Shot feature which could be missused as Burst mode!) Let's hope the Z->i1 will be same as T68i->s700i Camera wise :cyclops:
[Xperia Z General] Thraxzzz:
Any news of where the togari will reach first? I mean the country of where it will reach first :p can't wait to get my hands on this beast

Sent from my C6603 using voldemort's nose
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
China and India are getting it by the end of this month. Hong Kong as well
[Xperia Z General] 2Potato:
Sony Xperia Z outlook is great, slimate
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Singapore as well !!

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Already??
[Xperia Z General] :
HK: not yet, but already in pre-order.

Edit: Wednesday SM HK may announce the price of ZU.

But some rumor said SM HK will sell 3G version first (don't ask me link, go to Hongkongese forum yourself)
[Xperia Z General] tangosierra_:
Any source?
[Xperia Z General] :
It is 35.12mm^2?

You said better back illuminated sensor(same size), same as which one?
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
2/3" Back Illuminated Exmor R sensor. Same size as Lumia 1020's sensor. 1/1.5" = 2/3"

What do you mean by 35.12 mm2?

If you are referring to sensor area then its 58.10mm2 not 35.12
[Xperia Z General] :
Ouch,my calculation is wrong:(

Honami really has a 1/1.5" sensor?:D:D
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Yes :good: And better photo quality than Lumia 1020 or even Pureview 808 :)
[Xperia Z General] :
If the photo quality is really great, I think Sony Mobile should go to die.

Now I just care about the software tuning(overall)
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Sony Mobile should go to die? :eek: Why ?
[Xperia Z General] :
LOL I just kidding XD

wait for the new UXP UI:)
[Xperia Z General] jianlinooi:
hopefully sony will release the new ui through new android 4.3/5.0 update for honami..:laugh:
[Xperia Z General] :
According to the some leaked images of Honami(not render),I think there is some secret of the rear glass.

First we met the real Honami(white): modified

Second we met it(Black): used a cover

---------- Post added at 04:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:25 PM ----------

Someone said Honami will launch with a new UXP UI, he also said that ZU will get the new UXP UI too after Honami hit the market.

(I will post the link later.)

So I think the porting from Honami's system dump, may be a very old version.
[Xperia Z General] DarkKrypt:
Think of ps4 gui, somewhat :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Exmor R senson? Not RS? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] om22:
maybe something new like RSX :P nobody knows maybe also sony doesn´t know what sensor there will be in when it hit´s the market lol
[Xperia Z General] :
Aperture control? Is it possible? I can't believe that there is much space available for make it. Too small.

Sorry my bad English.
[Xperia Z General] Dewsy:
Yeah, i think it too. Not sure, but a NOKIA patent is the latest that i know, thinking abaut changeable aperture in mobile. But just a patent, not a product.

http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/02/nokia-adjustable-aperture-pureview

I don't know, maybe Sony working on a miracle, putting real changeable aperture into the honami... OR this is 'just' some software-based effect, to blur the background with some fancy algorithm....

I would be the happiest, if Sony could bring aperture-control to this phone. It vould be another reason to the istand-get feeling.

And sorry for my bad english.
[Xperia Z General] oile:
Everything I'm reading about Honami keeps me saying wow..

If the presentation would be on 4th of September, can you guys make a guess about release date or price point in UE?
[Xperia Z General] luisoman2000:
If sony wants to milk this they might want to aim for a octuber/november release. As for price...your guess is as good as mine, but im leaning towards the same price as the Z when it came out.
[Xperia Z General] MattJaO3D:
20 mp wow!!

http://androidheadlines.com/2013/07...r-crammed-with-a-20-megapixel-resolution.html
[Xperia Z General] luisoman2000:
I hope sony uses a bigger sensor than the N8(which was already great with low light shots). If they use the same sensor size as the Z then cramming 20MP resolution wont help much.
[Xperia Z General] chrisrotolo:
interesting shot of the Z ultra...

http://www.technewscentral.co/sony-xperia-z-ultra-seen-with-infra-red-sensor/
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
Some specs of Xperia i1 Honami & Back Image Of Honami :D
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
That's fake sadly.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Hi, do u know the release/announcement dates for Honami?

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] Mr. Droid:
Engadget Honami specs

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/16/alleged-sony-xperia-honami-specs/

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I hope there will be a lot of dev for the Z Ultra, i really would love to get one !
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Don't understand why Honami will be IP55/57 when the new ZR and Z Ultra are both IP55/58 :confused:

---------- Post added at 02:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:34 PM ----------

More "confirmation" on the camera?

And this is definitely not a Z ported version since it has SCN selection in picture mode!
[Xperia Z General] luisoman2000:
If this is true...why is sony using a smaller sensor than the N8??? Dammit sony you should have popped a 13mp module but a bigger sensor! *sigh*, I honestly dont think this could beat my N8's picture quality. Oh well, guess i'll keep my N8 for shooting and get me a nice ZL.
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
It is ticker than Z

Wider than Z = bigger bezel

Smaller sensor.

Actually I am not impress with Honami latest leak information yesterday, it is far wider than Z which mean much bigger bezel, which not in my liking, also much taller than Z. The camera sensor is small, nothing special here then, I believe it just a Mega Pixel upgrade but not really impact a lot in image quality. Also it is thicker than Z as well at 8.3mm without water proof but only water resistance IP57.

If leak information is true, I rather buy Xperia Z Ultra, at least it look solid cool slim 6.5mm and waterproof IP58 + cool multi touch material input capability.

and I think only will have more Z Ultra news once it official release. I hope it get tune more on the software part, give more features on it.
[Xperia Z General] Dewsy:
What if...

So i think there is two different devices (or two different prototipes):

-A Camera cenrtic phone with huge camera in the middle, xenon flash 2/3" sensor. Propably thicker, sony taiwan insiders call it "bigeye"

-And an owerall great phone with water resistance, metal/glass housing, thinner, but still great camera performance. Dual-led flash, and this is the Honami.

But it's just a tip from all the different infos about Honami rumors. With this theory it all makes sense (for me at least)
[Xperia Z General] zirado:
http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_i1-5596.php
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
As per this site - Xperia Z Ultra is coming to India on 31st july

http://www.knowyourmobile.in/sony/s...sony-xperia-z-ultra-hit-indian-shores-july-31
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Is anybody actually going to buy the Xperia Z Ultra or just wait for Honami instead?
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
waiting for Honami
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I am waiting for both, if size of XZU is Ok, gonna replace my Note 2 !!

If Xperia Honami is BIG improvement over Xperia Z then XZ-> Xperia Honami !!
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
Z Ultra is much tempting me, I feel my Tablet Z sexy slim, not really for Z and if Honami is that bulky, my desire on it is gone.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
no more 4k video?
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
what do you think where they get their infos from? Reading threads like this!

Why would you believe them more than something someone here says ?

Or did GSM arena got speccs from sony and is allowed to release them pre NDA? ......
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
It's a rumor mill. We don't know yet, so let's just wait...
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Any phone using the Snapdragon 800 chip can record 4k vid. So, all flagship phones from ZU and beyond.
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Sony not included :D
[Xperia Z General] Justinchi:
Lol, no?
[Xperia Z General] dvd777:
Someone please explain use of 4k video on 5" fhd display :cool:

Maybe some guru will see the difference between fhd and 4k. I am sure that l will not be the chosen one :)
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
If they did it, I could only see it being a marketing tool, there's very little you could play it back on.

Sony make some great compact cameras, and if they have actual cyber-shot engineers, G lens and BIONZ processing, it could be something special.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
It seems only HSPA+ version launching in July, Hongkong as well India.

For LTE I think September only !!

http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/07/18/xperia-z-ultra-lands-in-hong-kong-later-this-month/

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[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Yes, but making the mpx number bigger won't help if the sensor it's not big enough, and I think without xenon flash it's just another smartphone with good camera, not a deal breaker spec
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
ZU in India this month?
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
http://www.knowyourmobile.in/sony/s...sony-xperia-z-ultra-hit-indian-shores-july-31
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
all the videos you taken with the phone will be ready and up to standard when 4k mon and tv become a standard. Which will happen in the next decade.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
Just like you have FullHD video on 720P, or less like iPhones, screens for a while!

Just because your phone screen doesn't have the pixels doesn't mean your camera shouldn't do it ;)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Since we went beyond 2 megapixels, we've had cameras that are taking photos bigger than can be displayed on a phone screen or HD TV.. but that doesn't stop us taking larger photos.

And you can already view 4K video on an iMac or other monitors that have higher than 1080p screens (albeit not 4K resolution) so it's nice to have the option. YouTube will host them too, so why not record in Ultra HD to have content you can enjoy looking back on in the future?

The only issue is that it will obviously mean videos are much, much larger and that will impact on storage. Sandisk appears to be a little way off producing 128GB microSDXC cards - but nobody is forced to record in 4K HD!
[Xperia Z General] krabappel2548:
In honami dump there are libs for recording at 90fps, also framework files etc for algorithm of superresolution stuff, I guess that may have something to do with 4K recording, or at least higher resolution then 1080p :p

But I'm not sure it will be this way in the actual production device! My guess can be totally wrong :D
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
Yaaay Banzai! SloMo videos!

btw... not about the Honami.... but....

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-...etic-mount-for-nex-lenses-and-a-curious-lens/

An external Lens + Sensor xD well.... why not just buy a DSLR and an EyeFi card ? xD the only cool thing would be to use this as Web or Spy Cam....
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
Well, I have DSLR but I don't have it with me all the time. One lens with camera isnt that Big to not carry it around. This looks nice if you ask me. That sensor takes some amazing pictures. I rather spend some money than some serious amount on phone like would be honami.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Went hands on with the ZU tonight. Very high quality device. Felt very sturdy and felt better in the hand than the Xperia z due to the beveled edges. It is a big device. But super thin. Couldn't believe how thin and light it was. Made the XZ feel chucky.

OS ran super super smooth. The pen input was very cool with a pencil. Felt weird using a pencil on a smartphone screen but it recognized things great and very fluid while writing/drawing.

The screen was gorgeous. Absolutely amazing. And for those of you into viewing angles it looked great from all angles. The flaps felt better and more sturdy that the XZ. The bezel size on top and bottom serves a good purpose as when using the XZU in landscape you can comfortably hold it with one hand without touching the LCD.

Even though the XZU is giant it didn't feel that way because of how thin and light this thing is. I thought the Tablet Z was thin.....the XZU beats it and feels much better. Loved the metal edges of the device. And it looks great in purple.

Didn't test the camera other than taking a picture to mess with in the drawing app that was on it.

I can see people getting this device to take the place of a phone and 7" tablet. Fills both those needs IMHO.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ TL
[Xperia Z General] AntiLazarus:
I am so pumped for this phone. Thanks for the report. This may have been answered before, but is it thought that any US carriers will pick this baby up?
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
No US carriers are picking it up. Should be available in both LTE and HSPA unlocked versions.

Sent from my Xperia Tablet Z
[Xperia Z General] eureka9:
wow that's so sad.. unlocked version will cost more than $800+tax, that's way too much for me.. If it's true that no carrier will carry XZU I think I will be forced to buy an AT&T note 3... so sad