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[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
I would much prefer better battery life over pointless bragging rights. These phones are already very smooth.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Hehe.

(latest Z update)
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Instead of bringing some honami's apps they change the update's background :D
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It does mean they're already porting them, so we'll get them pretty soon. Probably shortly after the Honami release (= October/November).
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Was kidding;)

Really I don't care anymore what sony will do and how they will do it.
[Xperia Z General] E90 Commie:
I don't think that is too much of a problem: the C6903 seems to have a similar LTE radio as the C6833 and that means LTE on T-Mobile. I am not totally sure about AT&T since it misses the 700 MHz band but it has the other ones.

I expect Sony to release two models with the following bands (similar to the Xperia Z Ultra):

4G Network LTE 700 / 850 / 900/ 1700 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 - C6906

LTE 800 / 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 - C6903

In my case, the C6903 or C6833 is what I am going to get (I am waiting for the Honami launch before making the final decision). It would be a scandal if Sony allow T-Mobile to destroy the C6906 by crippling the LTE radio and then offer a C6902 HSPA version when they have a nice multiband LTE product in their portfolio.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
as long as they are not doing his then Im fine :)

http://allthingsd.com/20130730/samsung-busted-boosting-international-galaxy-s4-benchmarks/?mod=tweet
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Not quite. AT&T was going to pick it up and make it a carrier flagship device. But then backed out. They later came back and said they would pick it up but Sony told them no because they already had backed out. AT&T's device decision makers suck.

It still isn't set I'm stone if a unbranded LTE model will be released for the US. My guess is it won't if the deal with T-Mobile goes through.

(This is of course only applies to the homani)

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
May be its running on a powersave mode? :)
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
More honami images
[Xperia Z General] antisp1n:
Looks good
[Xperia Z General] juanmaasecas:
Definitely it seems 1/2.3" sensor size instead of 1/1.6". Probably same pixel size than xperia z (1.12 microns) but a little bit more zoom because of the extra resolution (20 mpx). Same awful led flash... It will be disappointing...
[Xperia Z General] SmallsXD:
I find these camera apps screenshots just a bit fishy...Why would resolution jump from 8MP to 20MP? without maybe 12MP and 16MP in between? Just seems odd to me
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
I hope you're wrong, unfortunately everything points you're right. :eek:

I think Sony is doing same mistake over and over again - cramming large number of MPs into small sensor (regardless BSI, Carl Zeiss, G lens.... whatever, you can't fight physics). 1.12 microns is way to small - even slight move will result is blurry images. I guess you can kiss low photography good-bye (or buy tripod, but that kills purpose of cameraphone in a first place).

If I recall correct N86/N8 had 1.75 microns pixel size. 808 has (in 5MP Pureview mode) around 4 microns. Even HTC went to 2 microns with "ultra pixels" however they need more than 4MP.

You see, more MPs - more information collected (colors accuracy, tonality..), larger photon pixel size - more lights collected. So you need to find BEST compromise in physical sensor size and MP count.

I wish Sony opted for 8MP module.... but no, marketing BS (more is better) prevailed yet again.

Still, can't wait to see some real Honami images.

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
^^^ 100% true.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Hi all,

why all the discrete photos? If these people have the real honami, they should be showing more. I want to see the phone in full detail :)
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
those ppl are probably not allow to talk about it
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
they will be fired at the moment they reveal the beast
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Led flash is really disappointing, I don't know about z but my xperia s les flash takes horrible yellowish photos, if it will be flash ked please sony make it al least a good one
[Xperia Z General] nX3NTY:
Agreed, if they really wanted to marketing Honami for it's camera it should have xenon flash at least. If it doesn't have manual control it would be a lot worse. I don't know what Sony is thinking
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
My concept of i1 Honami...
[Xperia Z General] miki_69:
I know Oppo isn't a top tier but this sounds promising:

http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_nlens_n1_cameraphone_gets_rumored_packs_a_12mp_camera-news-6525.php

God thing is more companies are offering quality imaging solutions on Android.

Cheers,

Miki
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
Looking the teaser image I found a particular. what's the element in the circle?

I decreased the contrast to see it as it is barely visible.
[Xperia Z General] JPWOA:
I think is an Ir Blaster just like ZL has...
[Xperia Z General] Purehazard:
That would be an odd place for a IR blaster, wouldn't it? I would assume an IR blaster would be placed so you can use your phone like a remote to control TVs, cable boxes, etc.
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
nobody bothered to post this yet?

new pic revealed on honami.... looks super slim!!
[Xperia Z General] Thraxzzz:
It's impossible for a device to be super thin like the one in the picture, not realistic

Sent from my C6603 using voldemort's nose
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
How can be, that honami with better camera is without camera button :-S
[Xperia Z General] SmallsXD:
The pic is realistic because half the model is covered in a shadow
[Xperia Z General] ipmanwck:
Agreed. It's clever photography.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Full-size camera sample from Honami: http://www.imgus.net/bilder/6a7f722126dbda9790af5df2e6fb4914.JPG

Excellent detail, even at 100%. Comparable to the Nokia 1020. I am very impressed personally.
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
C6902 iso 64 1/1250 f2.0 focus 4.9mm 3936x5248 taken 10.08.2013 15:14

sadly no location tag. so we dont know if the picture was taken in Amsterdam or japan.

can't wait to see comparison shots vs XZ
[Xperia Z General] Mambobuzzz:
Hey guys !!!

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-hot-first-images-of-the-new-dsc-qx10-and-dsc-qx100-lens-cameras/
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
Definitely the Honami i1 look

C6603 ?
[Xperia Z General] snehil93:
Is that huge lens a seperate add on??
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
Yes ! Via NFC or WiFi.

C6603 ?
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
This camera lens is useless,i don't think it will practical to carry it everywhere Instead of a small digital camera.
[Xperia Z General] snehil93:
Then don't carry!!! Who cares what ur definition of practical or impractical is?? Get a life... Vent out ur hate negativity frustration elsewhere...... I personally think its a great innovation from sony.
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Hahaha relax man i am not talking about you,it's about the camera lol
[Xperia Z General] snehil93:
Ofcrse u r!! Ur talking about the new sonly lenses with inbuilt image processor... Sensor.... Basically n all in one camera packed into a lens add on for ur smartphones.... I m pissed at ur comment about it being impractical.... Its an interesting piece of innovation n i belive in giving credit where its due.... Now how the world receives it.... Only time will tell.....
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
I don't care how the world will receive it,it's my opinion,i don't need things just for decoration.

You tell me it's nice new innovation,yes true,but i don't need things just to look at.

If i need big thing to take a photo than i will use my DSLR ;)

We are searching for small and a good inbuilt phone's camera,like other companies do have.
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
I think it's a great innovation.

You can put it whenever you want and take it off whenever you want to.

Great job sony !

C6603 ?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Take the above photo, run a noise filter at 100% then reduce sharpness to 0%. Now you have the XZ image. :p

Seriously though, even the XZ takes excellent shots in good light like that, so I want to see poorer lighting conditions where the Z falls to bits in most modes.
[Xperia Z General] snehil93:
It's sad how people don't get there facts straight before braindead blabbering..... :rolleyes: the new Xperia i1 has a 20 mp camera with f/2.0 aperture... Sony g lenz.... Bionz image processor.... Doesn't that sound like a killer camera phone??? As far this lens thing is concerned.... (pay attention.... Hear this out loud n clear) it is n accesory sold seperately.... It has NOTHING to do with the upcoming xperia! It can b used with any smartphone or the iPhone!!!! Got it??? Now don't tell me ur disappointed cos sony is making a cool all in one camera add on along with a very good camera phone!!! Gawd!!! Help this guy out someone..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
Realy gm007,you were my rescue hero in some days.

Now you are becoming paranoic or something like that...

C6603 ?
[Xperia Z General] styxter:
Re: [NEWS/INFO][SONY XPERIA ZU/HONAMI] Sony Xperia 2012-2013 Devices

Uhmm.. I have to disagree with you about this one, it is a very great innovation for smartphone to have this due to fact that people love to take pic. If you see the facts of why dslr had boom for the past few years and mft camera with interchangeable lens eating digital compact share is that the photo quality is beautiful. Now if that external camera can match dslr and mft, and it is compatible to other android phone i can see that we dont need to buy another camera that cost a smartphone also.
[Xperia Z General] fareeed:
What's with all the butthurt lol, he has his opinion and you have yours. So he doesn't like the accessory and you do, who really cares. Not everything is brought to market to appeal to everyone. This is aimed at a very niche market, most people wouldn't buy something like this anyways :)
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Talking about honami again.. There's was some disappointment in here hence the camera aperture... Finally the info is out, could some please tell me if the sensor is big or good enough to handle the 20 mpx camera?
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Thanks cause you got my point,it was hard to explain for sony's fanboys.
[Xperia Z General] Why So Serious?:
I don't think the sensor size has been confirmed yet as it's not part of the exif data, though I may be wrong there.

If it's the rumored 1/2.3" sensor then I think it'll do a decent job, but I've got doubts about that based purely on the the leaked images of the Honami. The camera module doesn't look significantly bigger than those of the past.

On the other hand, those who have access to the inside information have been genuinely excited about the camera so Sony may have pulled off some magic. If it does have that sensor it should be able to handled 20mpx at a good performance level.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
For a slim, bumpless phone camera performance is absolutely great. It probably won't beat the 1020 since it just doesn't have enough room to put all the components, but it'll come close and easily do better than nearly every other smartphone.
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
Sony Honami Compare with iPhone 5 :cool:
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
Even before i start, i am a bloody sony fan.

i have my view in line with [MENTION=4115953]gm007[/MENTION] in the usability context.

Given that its a lens camera accessory it needs to be carried separately and is not a part of the phone itself like the s4 zoom. Like [MENTION=4115953]gm007[/MENTION] has pointed out that it is going to be difficult carrying this accessory(in a safety pouch at least).

The volume of this accessory is not always going to have this accessory attached to the phone all the time - it probably needs to be safe and protected like a DSLR lens.

You cannot have it attached and store it in your shirt or your pant pockets like you have the phone.

Imagine you are driving through a place which needs to be photographed, you would need to attach / connect the accessory and then take a shot. By the time i connect my accessory and shoot it, the moment it probably lost.

Another thing i am not sure/comfortable about is the working of the accessory itself. imagine you attach it as in the leaked photos, where do you hold your hands? you need both your hands - one on the phone and other on the lens to zoom/focus. Compared to a point and shoot camera/DSLR i don't know how comfortable or not this thing would be to hold and shoot. i hope i make sense as holding a camera is a big point for any photograph/photographer.

Also i am not sure how this would work with all phones, will this be a separate app or integrates with the default camera app? how about flash/battery.

Considering these, i am guessing it will be better off to have a phone / dedicated camera for the moment.

Call it innovation or not, The accessory definitely does try to bridge the gap between phone cameras and dedicated cameras and is a unique accessory which no other company has done before - in that way it is a innovation. Sony has been carrying a great history of innovation, however the results of the innovation are the ones are the one we need to look at - Which is what Sony is trying hard recently.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
4K recording confirmed ;)
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
top and bottom bezel seems more balance now? I thought the bottom used to be bigger.
[Xperia Z General] vapotrini:
That bezel, my goodness me. Do they really have to be that big? Surely, surely they could have made the screen bigger.

This phone is practically phablet size. From the rumoured specs it's 144 mm tall... the original note was a mere 3 mm taller at 147 mm.
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
thats 4k Video and not Fotos ? ^^ my japanese isn't that good!

btw 1/2.3 Lens confirmed? if these pictures were true. (page before)

But why does it have silver bezel ? -.- i really like the all black of my XZ, the Honami looks... to round, and to silvery. well yeah... still gona change to honami if the S800 battery life is decent xD And i'm kinda sure it cant be worse than XZ ^^
[Xperia Z General] snehil93:
Guys don't you think it would have been better off having capacitive buttons instead of on-screen??? I personally don't like the idea of my screen space being taken up by these buttons at any point of time.... I knw its a very trivial issue... But How do u people feel abt it??
[Xperia Z General] Purehazard:
I feel the same way. Would have preferred buttons not part of the screen.
[Xperia Z General] styxter:
Question! Will it be worth it to upgrade from xperia z to honami??? Its like you are buying a steroid xperia z. ?? Cause for me its this dec. or next year 4th quarter or later. Since my wife and i are now planning to have a baby.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
I still dream of a phone where 95% of he front panel is the screen space in 2.35:1 anamorphic screen.
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Huge bezel! Very very tall.. Disappointed! Guess I'll wait till next year's ces flagship
[Xperia Z General] Why So Serious?:
I'm glad the 1/2.3" sensor has been confirmed though I'm not completely sold on the overall design. XZ looks better in my opinion.

Not if they're like the Xperia S capacitive buttons... ended up enabling the on screen buttons and haven't looked back!
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
i have been using a HTC which has capacitive button(s), that is you have a fixed keys/buttons - say 2 or 3.

You can do multiple actions on capacitive buttons like "press and hold" "double tap" "triple tap" "press and swipe up" and it goes on...

However

The problem comes with apps. Not all apps are optimized and follow HOLO principles. To access a menu you will have to "press and hold" which is not intuitive, takes time & uncomfortable.

When iPhone announced the world it wooed the customers for the flexibility of having onscreen keyboard which is dynamic. Being dynamic allows different keys as per the need, in that aspect i would prefer on screen buttons.

we have lived when our phone screen were just less than 2 or 3 inches and now we have five inches, don't you have enough space still? Get a bigger phone then :P

---------- Post added at 04:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:50 PM ----------

I think that depends on your utilization & the bottle necks you see of the XZ!
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
Sony C6903/C906 Firmware 14.1.G.1.493 get certified

http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24328

http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24331
[Xperia Z General] Thraxzzz:
ZU LTE version coming to Singapore by September 5th I think? :thumbup: :D

Sent from my C6603 using voldemort's nose
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
i prefer Onscreen! why ? there are apps to Hide them and use gestures! Can you do that with capacitive buttons ?
[Xperia Z General] jatinrungta:
but when the phone hangs it also is stuck right?
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
If the phone hangs, yes its probably stuck - but thats the same case even with a capacitive/physical button - we have option to reset using the power/reset

if app hangs, the on screen/capacitive / physical all should work - its just that the app will fail.
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
yeah you're right.

Even is Capacitive button,it's also stuck when our phone hang,and if only the app hangs,the button will work..
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
Thanks for the confirmation!
[Xperia Z General] darth5zaft:
Yeah, me too. I hate capacitive!. Android are design with on-screen button. So stop struggling and get on board.

Using capacitive button like they did with HTC one make more for unpleasant experience. Why do one need to learn, execute a combo, which is slower than just tapping it? On the HOX before u still lose screen real estate when a whole black bar with 3 dot appears on most app.
[Xperia Z General] knightpt:
I was a firm believer and even made several posts (on other forums) saying terrible things that on-screen buttons were terrible, but at least in a 5'' (xperia Z) i honestly quite like them on-screen. They feel classy and xperia UI has a nice animation when you press them it makes it feel neat to press them.

About the screen you lose, in a 5'' its negliceable, if you ask me about a 4,0'' screen than i say capacitive buttons are better because the screen is already "small" and you want to make the most out of it and the buttons make you feel "cheated".

But, you now have some ways to make it even less of a hassle (if rooted). You can download apps to change the buttons to a hidden pie menu when you perform certain gestures, etc. There is even some ways to keep the soft-keys but make them smaller in DPI.

When i got the xperia Z i always tought that the 1st thing i would do would be to improve the softkeys because i hated their concept, but i haven't touched them yet and i don't think i will because they actualy look fine on a 5'' screen.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
Heard an interesting rumor, Xperia Honami might be called Z1 (Z One)...
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
Huh? What happened to i1?

Sounds more like HTC than Sony. Well even i1 was strange xD so why not. Might be possible.
[Xperia Z General] ImAnurag:
Xperia Z1 sounds more cool :good: Looks Sony now following Samsung Trend of 1,2,3,4 :silly:
[Xperia Z General] ILoveXperia:
If its true then there will be xperia z, z1, z2, z3,z4 :cyclops::D:good::silly::eek::angel:
[Xperia Z General] knightpt:
Would make sense if Sony wanted to associate the letter "Z" to ultra-high end flagship phones....

There's been a lot of criticism towards Sony to have a confusing naming scheme, perhaps they listened a little and want to streamline the names and associate letters with market positioning.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
i must have triggered something... well now this was unexpected...

Sony Mobile's global PR team now following me on twitter!!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bc12vmjmqwonk46/xperia_news_following.png

:victory: :angel: :highfive:
[Xperia Z General] knightpt:
lol, It seems that someone is interested in knowing what your sources know...

Beware, this is the first step towards total surveillance, then world domination ;)
[Xperia Z General] ImAnurag:
Now your every tweet will be monitored...or may be they will send you some info :P
[Xperia Z General] AntiLazarus:
I, for one, welcome our new Sony overlords. ;)
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
cool, now you're gonna make some subtle hints what good marketing it would be to release sources early on xda and how important it is to keep the community happy? xD
[Xperia Z General] yeeson:
Xperia Z1，Very Cool！:good::good::victory::D
[Xperia Z General] darth5zaft:
Looking at Hanomi leaks it seems now they had a small triangle bottom left beside the multitasking button.. Wonder what it would do? Or is it just light reflection
[Xperia Z General] ImAnurag:
PTCRB removes Honami firmware from site for now

PTCRB REMOVES Listing of Xperia Honami C6903/C6906 14.1.G.1.493 firmware from their site :eek:

Getting error like :-

​

Links - Old working link - http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24331 giving error now.

via - http://www.xperiaguide.com/2013/08/20/ptcrb-removes-listing-of-xperia-honami-c6903c6906-14-1-g-1-493-firmware-is-xperia-honami-coming/
[Xperia Z General] PLovrin:
Have you heard rumors about honami mini?

Snapdragon 800 2GB ram 4.3inch 720p display 20mp camera and 2400mah

Now this would be perfect device. With 720p 4.3" display it will have amazing battery life.

I hope it's true.
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
Xperia Z1 Benchmark score

Xperia Z1

Sony Malaysia Xperia Z1 Event

GSMArena Failed

Lower is better :/
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
WTF .This will gonna be the best smartphone 2013

C6603 ?
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
we won't get the same results on every test of AnTuTu Benchmark

Like Z Ultra,highest gets more than 38000,lowest 29000 something...

So i think the Xperia Z1 will be the same as Z Ultra...
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
Yes but more Z1's gonna be sold than Z ultra's.

I would give my Z and 150(max200€) for a Z1.

C6603 ?
[Xperia Z General] ImAnurag:
That was a typing error OBVIOUSLY. It has been corrected - http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_honami_gets_benchmarked_snapdragon_800_chipset_in_tow-news-6615.php
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
yeah i know,they had correct it.
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
So xenón flash for honami has been already denied right? Cause I just read on a tech site
[Xperia Z General] anirudhks:
someone at teh hardwareforumsSg has the honami test set , and he has answered most of the answers :) there ..

any one intrested can look at this thread

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...ony-honami-togari-flagships-leak-4194142.html
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
page 17!
[Xperia Z General] dohanotoha:
I am really confused whether to get honami or wait for the new 2014 phones line where the designs are expected to be completely different. I didn't really like the honami design that much since its very similar to z and ultra.

What do you think guys?
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
the 2014 H1 (first half) flagship will be available in markets (globally) in the first week of March or so. So you will basically be waiting for 6 months (assuming that honami/i1/Z1 is available in September end 2013)...

then there is the uncertainty of what will come next... the rumors for the next flagship should start flowing sometime in december or so (prior experience)...

its u call on how long u want to wait for the unexpected...
[Xperia Z General] vicedens2002:
Will the next flagships be more radically different in terms of the Z1 specs?? Because I actually wanted to buy ZL and then I heard of honami specs. I waited for it, but its taking too long. If it releases in September. Then in December or so only I will be able to buy it. So far qualcomm hasn't announced any new chip sets or they have?? And BTW snapdragon 800 supports USB 3.0 whats holding them not to implement it yet....:confused: Currently having desire HD.. Need a good all rounder.. :)