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[Xperia Z General] E90 Commie:
Use a credit card - pay $300 cash and the rest with the card. You can then divide the payment into what you think is appropriate.

You can get a prepaid card too and save that way too.

Regarding the Xperia Z Ultra: I hope that the new Sony camera accessory will be compatible. It would be a great solution, just put the camera on the Z Ultra for better pictures, otherwise use the internal cam.

To me, it stands between the Z Ultra and the Honami. If the camera solution will work with the Ultra, it is very possible that I will go for it instead.
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
I don't understand why sony make the new Honami tallest and with thicker edges than Xperia Z. O.o
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Where you have seen the REAL Honami ???!!!

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
You are right but usually the leaked shot Isn't a fake
[Xperia Z General] E90 Commie:
I think they are fake - I am talking about those alleged shots showing the Eiffel tower. That was when the rumors were on about a Paris release on July 4.

The only confirmed spy shots I know about shows the sides and the back paired with a complete black front that makes it impossible to see where the display begins and ends.

I guess that a leak showing the display being on will arrive in August, close to release.

What I expect is simply a device that looks like the Xperia Z but with aluminum sides (like the Xperia Z Ultra) and bezels like the Z/Z Ultra. I would be really surprised if Honami will get bigger bezels.

According to some pictures, the Honami seems to be a taller device than the Z; I am therefore expecting a slightly bigger display (around 5.3 inches). I know that all rumored specifications says 5 inches like the Z but I have a hard time believing that Sony would make a bigger device just with bigger bezels above and below the display. Even with the new camera module, I have a hard time to believe that.
[Xperia Z General] Why So Serious?:
I hope it's thicker... otherwise I doubt Sony would be able to fit the rumoured camera tech into the Z's blueprint.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Or the bigger battery.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
just no thick bezel please, but it could also mean same touch screen tech as ZU....
[Xperia Z General] DrKrFfXx:
Is the S Master MX somewhat confirmed for the Honami?
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
I want both! Thin and nice camera! :D
[Xperia Z General] Tidbits:
I hope it has that bezel size. Landscape mode and thumbs think about it. Also with a bezel your hand is more relaxed during long periods of holding it.
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
Xperia Blog: Honami pictures leak again – looks like the real deal
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Bad viewing angle if this is the true one :D
[Xperia Z General] om22:
first: you don´t know which brightness it´s on

second: it is i think a very pre-version of the honami

third: it really doesn´t look bad; much better than the z
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Hahaha how can you say it's better than XZ did you put together side by side?:p
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
How can you possibly know that without seeing it in person, or even at any kind of angle or with any black on screen? This uses the semi-transparent home screen navbar so it is matched to the weird grey in the wallpaper. If the panel is anything like the Z Ultra then it will be absolutely stunning with very wide viewing angles.
[Xperia Z General] om22:
because the z lost so much vibrance and colors and went into hell bright colors with the slightest tilt :cool:.

i assume this will be the same display as in the ZU which is perfect; the best LCD display i saw till now
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
I hope so :D
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
Really Big speaker O.o
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
What is it in bottom right?
[Xperia Z General] gm007:
Surprise :p glass reflection.
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
I wasn't sure, it looks ...strange or it's me ?!

btw : Z Ultra's page on Sony website shows a 14.1.B.0.461 fw 4.2.2 : http://www.sonymobile.com/fr/software/phones/xperia-z-ultra/
[Xperia Z General] tulkaz:
+1
[Xperia Z General] Thraxzzz:
Still prefer the zu

Sent from my C6603 using voldemort's nose
[Xperia Z General] om22:
if you don´t care moving around such a big device it´s better :silly:

will get the honami cuz it fit´s in my jeans bag:good:
[Xperia Z General] Phat-T:
Yea, could be why the bottom bezel is so big! Maybe its for the powerful speaker! Lets hope that's the case
[Xperia Z General] Andrewtst:
More and more leak of honami show they is no more elegance look as Z or the coming up Z Ultra which superb elegance.

Honami is way too thick bezel and bulky, and now showing the bottom part bezel is far more crazy thick. Totally fail in design.
[Xperia Z General] antisp1n:
Do we have any release dates for the ZU yet?
[Xperia Z General] tulkaz:
cant wait
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
I think the rumours are beautiful.

Thickness: 9mm ? Too much.

Is it only for me or does the device look longer?

◇C6603
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
No it's not just you, the phone's got some really thick bezels and if that's the price we have to pay for powerful speaker then they can keep it.

That bottom bezel is just laughably big.

Whatever happened to the ZL design language???
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
where are they going to put that huge 3000mAH battery if they shrink the size??

The Snapdragon 800 processor is thirsty running at 2.3ghz.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Exactly.

And the new phone surely isn't replacing the Xperia Z. I, like most people here, are no doubt going to get Honami because we're crazy mad tech freaks, but the XZ isn't going to suddenly become old and obsolete. Far from it, it's still an incredibly powerful phone. And if Honami seems too big or expensive, get/keep the Xperia Z.

In fact, if Sony hadn't made the launcher slow and glitchy since 4.2.2, I'd have few complaints about the phone - and no complaints about the speed.

The screen: I only really straight-on, so in the six months or so of owning it, the viewing angles have not been a problem AT ALL.

The camera: compared to the original firmware, the camera is now pretty good and once you use some manual settings, it's actually fantastic - especially for HD video.

The battery: Pretty impressive now that I've got things set up with a mix of Stamina, Qualcomm's Battery Guru and a better auto brightness app.

So Honami is going to give me, hopefully, a better camera and even better battery life. And it will be loads faster, except if I'm not suffering slowness now, then the only way I'm going to 'see' that extra power of Snapdragon 800 is by running benchmarks.

Other improvements that some people might not immediately notice are things like 802.11ac and LTE-Advanced (150Mbps or perhaps even higher?) making it a bit more future proof.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Depends on where you are. I know US timeframe is Sep/Oct.

Sent from my Xperia Tablet Z
[Xperia Z General] Phat-T:
The bottom bezel could be big due to the speaker location. Lets hope it pounds then I wouldn't mind the big bezel! I cant wait to hear it in person
[Xperia Z General] pradeepvizz:
Surprise!!!

Sony Xperia Z Ultra now available in India for INR 44,990

Buy Sony Xperia Z Ultra

The website promises Free Delivery in 6 Business Days
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
LED flash? Overall I think it looks kind of disappointing, thick and massive bezel on the bottom. The specs looks like a standard flagship for early next year, which can possibly be even more powerful and thinner.
[Xperia Z General] Haldi4803:
Does that look like the infamous Sony G-Lens? Looks exactly the same as XZ. Lame.
[Xperia Z General] chrisrotolo:
that link to buy the ZU looks real legit..... /sarcasm/

anyways , I will need to wait for LTE, and am hoping some us shops like negri will have stock by 2nd week of sep.

If I dont hear of anything better, and I see some decent low light camera shots, I will likely bite on the ZU LTE.
[Xperia Z General] ipmanwck:
Did you take a picture of it?
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
I.think the phone its self is promising, really promising

the only thing why people keeps complaining is because their own expectation which is far too high

aside from the rumor, compared the other current phones, does honami really stand a chance? I will say, yes, for sure
[Xperia Z General] Lucasm93:
Quad cores are not used at full potential, yes. But remember that's the situation NOW. Hell, in 2010 everyone said "who needs a dual core chip in a phone? pff" :rolleyes:

And the brakes in the S3 chip are available as a battery saving option. You don't have to use it and it most definetely won't be turned on all the time.

GSMArena battery tests showed that the S3 lasted longer in all the tests compared to both the Tegra 3 and S4 versions of the One X. It lasted longer even in the browsing test, where, as we all know, due to the majority of whites in the pages, SAMOLED screens use much greater power than LCD panels.

If Sony wants to step up their game, they'll have to step up their phones.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It does have a bigger battery though, so should do well.

If long battery life is a result of shutting down cores, remind me again why we need the extra cores?

I have a dual-core phone, but I'm not sure exactly how many apps are taking advantage of it - even less so with the quad-core devices I've used.

Sure, it's nice to have on the basis that you have the power for the odd occasion and I accept that - but most people don't have to go and pay top dollar for one just for that. These aren't cheap phones, and if you're just buying 'rainy day' performance then it's a huge waste.

What I'd like to see is more developers taking advantage of the power, and perhaps taking the time to explain to customers what advantages there are. I've not been blown away by the Tegra 3 (or 2) enhanced games. A few special effects, but not really any faster or smoother. Not because they're not smooth, but simply because other lesser devices can keep up with less power.

Forget laptops or desktops where support for multi-cores is quite developed, as these are smartphones and tablets. Most apps are far less advanced than their PC/Mac equivalents.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well you ask developers to make better use of all the processors, but can you tell me what apps ever really need that amount of power?

On your PC you run photo and video editing software, proper 3D games, development software, ...

I really don't see any apps on my phone that really need the power. Not at all. My CPU clocks down to below 400Mhz when watching 720p MKV's on my Xperia S. Facebook and Foursquare are hardly CPU-intensive. Web-browsing is smooth (and in general hardly benifits from multiple cores).

The problem in our case is just Android. It's built on the Dalvik VM which is a slightly badly optimized Java clone, and it's just slow.

The only real advantage I can see is that developers would do ALL their rendering in a UI thread on one CPU, and everything else in another thread on another CPU. That is already partially possible with the current development tools, but as far as I know hardly anyone implements it properly.

Software optimisation does a lot more than just speeding up the hardware. Compare the performance of a Sony with a similarly specced device and you'll see what a difference it can make.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
then i need to start saving more money :D

the GX/hayabusa looks HOT though ;)

well said!
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
true...

we dont need to do protein folding calculations on our phone :P

what we need is a optimized CPU/GPU which will use the battery better and may be even better battery technology...

after all these are PHONES!
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
The problem is, it is relatively complicated to obtain 2016 chips right now, in 2012 :)

The time machine is simply not big enough. While Sony probably could bootleg some several of those, it probably wouldn't be enough for a serial production.

No wonder, S3 has a 2100mAh battery. And OneX just a paltry 1800mAh. Will be interesting to see the real world battery life comparison between dualcore Samsung S3 version for USA and quadcore international.

As for the Sony, they simply have nothing to put into their phones. I doubt that Exynos is available for them, Tegra3 would be a setback, Qualcomm has nothing to offer right now, neither STM or TI.

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Each and every one of them. The main thread does not need to interrupt for things like garbage collection or background services like talking to radio interface and so on.

But it is relevant only for the short periods of time, both of the CPUs normally are not terribly involved. Otherwise the battery would be quickly drained.

Exactly.

The problem is, most of the tasks are mostly sequential by their nature. Where next step depends on previous. And quite often even if you manage to parallelize some things, the parallelisation itself costs more time than it saves. It is not free and not cheap (counted in CPU cycles).

And even laptops/desktops rarely load more than one core.
[Xperia Z General] vicalam:
Not true......Sony is currently working on quad-core msm8974.....
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
Source ? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Counting you, how many guys we have with contacts on Sony?
[Xperia Z General] huntedsoul12:
Source???
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Currently working on quad core phone doesn't mean that Sony is going to release the device in 2012. The development of a new device takes several month, so it's highly possible Sony has a quad core phone in the labs preparing to be released sometime in Q1/2013. They didn't jump on the quad core bandwagon in 2012, but they will certainly do in 2013.

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EDIT:

NEWS:

Talkandroid got tipped that Google will indeed release 5 Nexus (pl. Nexi?) devices this year and the date will be the 5th November, Android's 5th anniversary.

http://www.talkandroid.com/113162-b...ember-5th-to-celebrate-androids-5th-birthday/

And now looks again at what u13x recently said, especially his last sentence

At first I was skeptic about this rumor, but now I bet Sony will make a Hayabusa Nexus, but which won't be on par with the original Hayabusa. It will have the typical Nexus drawbacks like no expandable Storage and a bad camera.

So Android is turning 5 on November 5 and Google will release Android 5 along with 5 Nexus devices which one being made by Sony.

Remember, Remember, the 5th of November :D
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Do we have any dates for Japan release of XGX?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Sometime in July
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
That's not confirmed yet by Sony Japan, right???
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Not by Sony Japan but by DoCoMo :D

During the smartphones launch event, Japanese carrier NTT Docomo has confirmed that Xperia GX will hit shelves in July.
[Xperia Z General] Lucasm93:
Anounced in May and released in July? That's a long wait.

The international version must be out in August so I can have two options of phones to buy.

About Sony working in a quad core chip, you mean they are working on a phone that will have a quad core chip from Qualcomm, TI, right?

Per what I've read in an article in XDA, the OMAP and Exynos lines are the best because they are kind of "open source". This way, developers can access much more informations about the CPU's and optimize their software like custom ROMs for specific chips.

What I hope the GXi will have:

- Same screen and size of the Japanese version,

- A good camera at shooting pics and video,

- A bigger battery ~2000mah

- Nice price :D
[Xperia Z General] pitamus:
Big processors are not needed at all.

Look at the Lenovo phone with an Intel core in it.

Its a laggy as hell.

All a phone needs are the right software enhancements and it can run perfectly smoothly.

Look at the first iPhone for example it had a terrible processor but apples optimizations made it run well.

Listen I'm no apple fan boy or anything I'm quite the opposite. All I'm saying is that Sony should think more about software than hardware.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
I would wait for Mint or GX if they have lightbar like S, but with the capability to display multiple colours at once just like w580i's buttons

a phone with ICS + big battery + satisfying screen + stylish design + AVRCP 1.3 or newer would be really sweet
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
A look at ICS for Xperia S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEKf-egSEnQ

the video also shows the album app known from the GX. I like the swiping gestures used in the app, pretty neat.
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
This might not be on topic but still I think some people should see this with all the oh its not quad core ETC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

found it on a android police

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...g-because-your-smartphone-isnt-revolutionary/

Cheers
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I am wondering if these photos of a clip on camera is what the new Honami will offer compatibility with, and we're missing out on something bigger than the camera sensor inside the phone?

That might explain why an earlier screen shot showed a 20MP mode, when it seems unlikely that the phone itself will have a 20MP sensor (or if it does, it's likely to be rather disappointing in low-light at that size).

There has to be

something

really special about this phone. It surely isn't enough to just take the XZ and add a faster CPU and bigger battery (and a larger speaker)?

Okay, so maybe there IS enough to just add Snapdragon 800 and a 3,000mAh battery, but I still think we're missing something bigger.
[Xperia Z General] superleeds27:
Get the Xperia Z, or hold out?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Can't really answer that. Given an announcement is about 5-6 weeks away, you might want to wait. After all, you can still get an XZ if the new one seems overkill, or isn't going to be on sale for some time after the announcement (or too expensive..).
[Xperia Z General] E90 Commie:
Wait. Even if you want the Z after the Honami release, be sure that the prices will go down. It isn't a good idea to buy the Xperia Z right now when we are close to the launch of the successor at September 4.

Regarding the camera: some specifications claimed 13/20 MP, it is possible that the internal cam will be 13 MP and that 20 MP is available through the add-on.
[Xperia Z General] TracerBullitt:
I couldn't wait for the Honami so I just got the Z from T-Mobile last week. Coming from Sprint (and a dated Epic 4G, the service/phone is more than sufficient). I thought their new $10/mo Jump plan was a bit pricey, but when I realized it was also a protection plan, I just switched/upgraded my protection from my $8 Premium to Jump.

...Now I just have to hope Honami comes to T-Mobile, lol.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
It might. Not coming to AT&T.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
just 1 day after google anouncement

wooow

http://developer.sonymobile.com/201...ject-aosp-4-3-now-running-on-xperia-tablet-z/
[Xperia Z General] Mambobuzzz:
So, at the end, big bezels, no xenon flash, many megapixels but small censor, strange design. It seems to me that this Honami will be a disappointment... :/
[Xperia Z General] fer2503:
In this Photo the Honami doesn't have any tipe of earpiece or microphones. Also in June the sony release a Photo teaser of the Honami led that I can't see here. So maybe it's a fake
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
Some PICTURES of Honami

Some pictures of Honami with Xperia Z
[Xperia Z General] DrKrFfXx:
It shrinks down the Z :S
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Honami looks thinner than Z. Can anybody confirm?

The dimensions are very similar. I am happy with the design! :)
[Xperia Z General] Natakranta:
It is hard to disagree with you here. Though the difference is not that big.

Personally I'd rather have it smaller and thicker than thin but long and wide.

Thin device is nice but I wouldn't like to compromise overall size just for sake of thin slate.

I can't wait to see it live and feel the actual size in my hand. I want it so much I'll probably persuade myself "it ain't that big" ;)
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
^^

it aint that big

(im trying to persuade you as well) LOL
[Xperia Z General] Thraxzzz:
Camera phone? Lumia 1020 does the job :p

Sent from my C6603 using voldemort's nose
[Xperia Z General] mobde3:
does Honami have a xenon flash for camera ?
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
they need a ZL slim version of Honami even if it means no water proof.
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
no Honami will be thicker than Z.

144x73.9x8.3mm

no Xenon flash for Camera,but there will be Sony G-Lens
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
I'm hereby stating that I'm going against the grain and speculating that the leaked phone isn't Honami, but instead is the rumored Z refresh. Just based on gut feelings here.

So are the insiders 100% certain as to the identity of this phone?
[Xperia Z General] Mambobuzzz:
Definitely... :) Would be great !
[Xperia Z General] darth5zaft:
Seems few people here in Malaysia had bought the Z ultra. Selling at RM2299. A hundred more (around us$33) more than when the Z first came out.
[Xperia Z General] samven582:
Honami coming to T-Mobile?
[Xperia Z General] E90 Commie:
Another version with locked bootloader and branding?

Buy the Honami when it becomes available, simply put. There's no reason to wait for "carrier X" to sell it - buy it from Sony or a Sony retailer when it arrives. You can get it months earlier and in a superior version.

With the LTE radio I guess it will have, it would be a shame to let a carrier disable any bands just in order to make it incompatible.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
No confirmation yet.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z
[Xperia Z General] ssj_jaypee:
Sony Mobile is dead in North America.

If you want a Sony phone, it's best to buy it off contract and outright from online.
[Xperia Z General] :
XPERIA Z Ultra C6802 is going to sell in HK today.:)
[Xperia Z General] AVonn:
http://techkiddy.blogspot.in/2013/07/sony-xperia-honami-visits-fccscheduled.html?m=1

This legit?

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=779559&fcc_id=PY7PM-0450
[Xperia Z General] DrKrFfXx:
I don't know but doesn't Honami have a 5.3" screen, not the 5" described there?
[Xperia Z General] AVonn:
Dunno, just googled Honami FCC randomly and this is what came up. I just started looking through the PDFs on the FCC page.

I'm mad that the part of the document that would show the photos is missing. Looks like it would be part 3, since the table of contents says it would be on page 491. Part 2C ends at 490.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Confidentiality request, those parts will become available after release. It's also why nothing is showing up on PTCRB yet.
[Xperia Z General] AVonn:
Surprisingly, I haven't seen anyone post the second page of the operational scope page. But I guess it meant that it was just irrelevant information.
[Xperia Z General] alfstep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgO_45Z2los

He said, even with lower camera resolution than Xperia Z, Z ultra can give more detail

honami will be absolutely a beast!
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
That's because of the software processing, someone has already ported the new hon aim software algorithm to z. And it looks great.
[Xperia Z General] samven582:
Looks like its coming out for T-mobile USA. A user on neogaf wrote thats LTE version is coming out exclusively for them :(. It will be priced at $249 and a unlocked HSPA+ version might be released at the same time for a $699.

AT&T and Sprint both wanted it but Sony turned them down them because they signed a 12 month deal with T-mobile back in January
[Xperia Z General] m4rk0358:
Well that made my decision much easier on my next phone. Not on T-Mobile so this one is scratched off my list. :crying:
[Xperia Z General] Ben Ling:
3D Graphics Performance of Honami C6903

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=Sony+C6903&testgroup=system
[Xperia Z General] msc3169:
Max freq 1.9GHz??

I expected a similar clock speed to that of Z Ultra.