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[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
As you say, I can't see why anyone is likely to want to develop for anything higher than 320dpi.

We'll eventually hit limits not in technology terms but human terms. We can't upgrade our brains, eyes and ears! Well, not yet!
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Android never made this promise, Sony just (wisely) chose not to perform that 340/320 upscaling (x1.0625).

Those preset screen densities (not sizes) are there just for practical reasons due to the inherent defficiences in bitmap scaling algorithm.

One-fits-all principle simply does not work, you simply can't provide one bitmap for all resolutions and infinitely scale it up or down as needed. You actually want to draw different bitmaps for different resolutions otherwise it will look like sh.... .

So the practical solution is to provide several reference densities where developers (designers actually) can provide reference bitamps. Then device will pick the closest one and scale it accroding to their physical properties (if needed).

Me too.

Actually no, everything will still look OK. Android can (and will) just take the best matching density and then scale everything accordingly.

So Android can easily support displays with say 500DPI, you just won't benefit from it, everything will be just upscaled 320dpi. But it will still display correctly with correct sizes.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
So we won't see anything at Communicasia? If Hayabusa is not launched then, am afraid its going to be a little too late to the market. I just hope Mint doesn't get pushed to 2013.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
You will see something at CommunicAsia for sure, Sony has to push release of Acro S & Hayabusa for international market if they really wanna survive !!!

SGSIII already driving the android fans crazy including me ;)

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[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
sony doesn't have to push devices for survival. they still have other markets other than mobile. market share and profit can go down though. flagship device is already late. mint is probably going to be somewhat old device in 2013 Q1. google and other players will release another flagship for 2013 that make mint not so mint. premium price of mint may not be that tempting unless you warship sony like apple fans warship apple.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Wrap it up guys, enough discussion about screen resolution. It's time for some real Hayabusa news :p

International GX, LT29i UAProf

http://wap.sonymobile.com/UAprof/LT29iR701.xml
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
You sir, deserve a medal
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Thanks, but credits goes to "aamwng" over at esato froum, I'm just the spreading the good news ;)
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
This probably going to be the international version, but I can't find the publication date, and I'll see languages (dutch etc) that are not for japan or something. But still not 100%, 99,99% for sure :)
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
It declared as LT29i, so it has to be the international version

<prf:Model>

LT29i

</prf:Model>

Could 12.05.2012 be the publication date? It's located in the header. "version 1.0 20120512"

Fingers crossed to see an appearance at CommunicAsia in about 2 weeks. :D
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Amen!
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
20120512 = May 12, 2012?

release something in December is very likely to be direct competition with google's 2013 flagship developer phone
[Xperia Z General] hydenobuyuki:
I was playing around with a lot of new phones a couple weeks ago from my carrier's upcoming summer line-up including the Xperia GX and many of devices were already disturbingly hot!

I would have thought the Arrows X (the first Tegra3 phone to be shown off last January but still hasn't launched yet) to get really hot but it was mostly warm to a little hotter than warm... but some other devices were really hot.

I'm sure those manufacturers who love numbers will try for 1080 displays since they are worried about competitors gaining an advantage in the domestic market but can you imagine it?

Summer is 30-38C, hot and humid, we all wear much thinner breathable clothing, and put a really hot heat generating device in your thinly lined pocket?

PS: Regarding the Xperia GX, I'm sure everyone's already heard a lot about it. Feels decent in the hand, feels really thin, good weight, looks nice but the white demo unit (for me) was of questionable build quality and the software was not smooth. The Galaxy S3 in Japan has 2GB of RAM and is super super smooth but the Xperia GX (while it looks great) felt bad in comparison. Of course, the demo units are not final units especially the software is expected to change before launching in the next few weeks.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
hayabusa is still uncertain, but SIII is out and ready. i personally don't mind to wait for sony flagship until google's 2013 flagship comes out
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
And you are NOT confused !!! :rolleyes:

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[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
^this

If you want the S3 and it appeals to you, get it. To me, it's too plastic fantastic, and sure the benchmarks are nice, but benchmarks aren't everything to me. What it seems to me, is that you (referring to OP) wants the best of the best that won't be beat anytime soon, and are stuck in a loop because the mobile phone world isn't waiting up for you.

When the GX gets released (Internationally I mean), there will probably be another device around the corner from Sony (read 2013 flagship) and you will be confused once again :P.

If i remember correctly, you started quite a few of the S threads, and ended up not wanting/liking the device, so I'm curious if the GX will also meet your standards (if you can decide on it anyways ;) ).
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Honestly for me its difficult to leave Sony, and if you know I have already gonne for Xperia S, but returned within 15 min of usage (as the lower portion of the phone was movable, really cheap)

Then came the knews of Hayabusa, I am more than happy with Hayabusa design and specs and thought it will be released in June but in between Acro announced, so m not sure wat will happen to Hayabusa now !!!

And truely speaking this time I dont want to compromise with speed (I cannot accept any lagging device, cmmon this is 2012) Now communicAsia is just around the corner, if there is no close release date for Hayabysa, I will go with SGS3..

Note: Will sure come back to Xperia in 2013, if Sony learns something this year :D

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[Xperia Z General] shmoejoe:
Well let's hope we hear something from this CommunicAsia for the sake of your sanity :D. At this rate I feel it will be almost a Q4 release, since there's not much going on with it at all.

With the Acro S release they at least mentioned the International release, and provided piles of media and such along with it, but there's not much on the GX front...

Besides the recent discovery on the previous page in this thread, it's been pretty quiet in terms of official Sony info (besides 13x leaks). I find it indeed a bit strange...
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Sony must be cooking something, if you see Acro release, there were no leaks watsoever before it was officially announced by Sony !!!

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[Xperia Z General] metcard:
I hope Sony release the hayabusa soon. if it wasn't so damn ugly I would have gone and bought a gs3 by now.

if Sony can't launch the gx before September I might just have to succumb to the ugliness.
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
I think everybody here is too much baised with XPERIA range...............

I know SGS3 is not beautiful but u CANNOT call SGS3 as UGLY !!!!!!!!!!!!

Its too pricy otherwise I would have purchased SGS3, instead of waiting soooo long for Hayabusa !!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] pitamus:
The sgs3 looks cheap and the designs so basic it looks like apple could of made it :)
[Xperia Z General] androidlover20:
SGG3 is cheap !!!!

what about this: XPERIA ACRO

See this, looks cool :P
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Haha, you are funny
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Okay, the SGS3 doesn't look that aesthetic and Xperia design has its downside too. And now back to topic :D

BTW: design-wise nothing can beat the Nokia N9 :p
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Why? Everything is compared to the Galaxy S III. That's one flagship phone that Samsung will be pushing for a LONG time. Even when they introduce other models, the GS3 will be pushed in retail and as the prices drop, they'll get promoted more. Samsung may also introduce other colours..

In other words, they'll milk it until the GS4 is announced.

So why does Sony need to keep bringing out loads of devices to complete? What's the harm in just having one flagship too? The Xperia S isn't quad-core, but so what? If marketed well enough, it will sell for a long time.

I know to us a phone is old once it's been out for about 7 days, but no manufacturer can afford to release a device and then replace it within a few months.

Sony is using the same platform to produce different variants, which is great, and for someone buying SIM-free and willing to import, that's even better. However, the operators are being increasingly choosy as nobody wants a warehouse full of unsold stock.

Therefore, Sony will present its portfolio to Vodafone, O2, Three etc and they'll seek to get some of them picked. Not all. Not even every colour (they can come if the phone sells well enough that the operator wants a follow-on order).

That will probably be why some phones not originally destined for release in a market will appear later - simply because a big operator saw an opportunity to get something that might give them an exclusive, or because the handset sold better than expected.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Point is XS is not perfect phone, if they would have released Xperia S with combined features of XS, XP, XU...it would have been much better !!!

Anyways lets stop all these discussions n use this thread ONLY for Hayabusa...no SGS3 here from now onwards ;)

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[Xperia Z General] kekkle:
About the Xperia Ion. On the roadmap:

What phone is it?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Wrong topic, and the SX isn't on there also so
[Xperia Z General] kekkle:
Not the wrong topic at all. Was wondering about the Ion. As maybe the Ion could be the Hayabusa. But all in all it means that the roadmap can't really be trusted anymore as things changed a lot. Meaning a July release of the Hayabusa is also unsure.

Because if the Hayabusa ain't getting released before end of August I'm getting an Xperia S.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
The roadmap was leaked in India, so it shows only those devices destined to be launched here. The Ion, SX and the new refurbished Xperia S obviously wont make it to these shores either. Hence their absence. . Only Xperia Go will be launched. Also, the schedule has changed a bit as unknown13x said.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
An update on the CommunicAsia stand for Sony, there's not going to be anyone. Don't be afraid, in a few hours they're going to look at an location to give there own little press release. Turns out that CommunicAsia isn't this big anymore and there are no big names. I can't give any sources jet till he gives me the OK to mention him.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That roadmap is only a snapshot of what was expected at that time. Things change, especially during this transition period from Sony Ericsson to Sony, and even aside that there are some things changing in Sony due to the losses of the last few years.

Don't use that roadmap to prove anything, it hardly means anything anymore.
[Xperia Z General] TwoPointZero:
Hmm, okay, let's try and fill the gaps :
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
What do you mean by "new refurbished Xperia S". Like the Xperia S Acro Japan or an Xperia S with non-yellow screen?
[Xperia Z General] kekkle:
I too end up with this:

Sony is really flooding the market with way too much variations.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Sadly, just some devices per year was one of the big points for Sony Ericsson last year. But this year seems to be confusing for them. They're losing money, A LOT, but if they do it right, next year will be simply awesome for them.

OLED TV'S, PS4, some awesome cameras, maybe two awesome tablets and 10 Xperia devices ( let's not count the Japanese variations) and they are done.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
you forgot about the new OS and competitors.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
I mean the Acro S.

Unknown13x had said, late Aug launch and availability in Sept. Hopefully that's for Mint and Hayabusa is earlier.

If the above is for the Hayabusa, its a bit too late am afraid.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Check this..

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/06/04/uaprof-confirms-international-sony-lt29i-hayabusa-xperia-gx/

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[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
if it's coming after September, it better use MSM8960 Pro or I'm waiting for google phone two or less months away from mint/hayabusa
[Xperia Z General] zacomaco:
+1, & they also need to compete with apple's release this September.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
The Uaprof shows its going to come with the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960

chipset (1.5GHz dual-core processor

and Adreno 225 GPU). Late Aug launch and availability in Sept.

Maybe Mint will have the S4 Pro. Maybe. Assuming Sony makes good news of the time they have. Mint will probably be available for the holiday season.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
how did you arrived at he exact chip? I could see resolution and languages from XML file, but not the exact CPU and GPU
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
He didn't, he just assumed that it has the same chip as the GX as it's the same device (which is logical).
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
It is mentioned:

" Object Push File Transfer Service

Discovery 24 Yes MSM8960 Yes

ISO-8859-1 ISO-8859-2 ISO-8859-5"

We may get the same tech as the Japanese but never better :P

As far as Mint is concerned, we'll just have to wait and see. Dual core Krait is future proof and if its coupled with the Adreno 320 GPU, it gets even better.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Sorry! My fault, I had a typo in my search query :)
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
According to this

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-cpu-family-expands-past-phones-to-hdtvs/

the S4Pro does not seem exactly suited for smartphones, more like something for tablets-netbooks.

Anyway, it looks like you simply can't say anything about any future chips, since it takes like 18 months to bring them to the market.

So by the time first S4 Pro reach market, everybody will already be on the S4+, S5 or whatever chip is speculated at the time. And so on.

By the way, that samsung exynos is also already "meh", since samsung already has something much better running in their labs :)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Although it shouldn't be much of a surprise, the GS3 runs a lot of the time with just two cores, and nowhere near the full clockspeed. That's without the power saving mode enabled, which limits the performance at all times.

I really do wish people wouldn't worry so much about their next purchase being too slow as something faster is around the corner. Given few people are rendering 3D video on their smartphone or other intensive tasks (which would, if running constantly, kill the battery in minutes) there are far more important things to worry about.

Design, screen, camera, battery capacity or even other things like NFC, Wi-Fi Direct, DC-HSPA+, LTE and other technologies that give more future proofing than the processor. In my opinion!
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
According to it168, Sony will announce 4

devices at 06/19. 1 low end, 2 mid end with

3.7 inch screens and one high end which is

most likely going to be the lt29i.

Thanks to aamwng @Esato.

If this is true, its the Mint that's going to be announced Aug end and launched in Sept.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
guess we'll have to see. if sony is launching or just announcing devices.

---------- Post added at 08:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:48 AM ----------

pro is releasing in less than 6 months from non-pro and the non-pro is already on the market for a long time. sony has been announcing phone, not launching. so they got more time
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Do you have any idea how long it takes to implement a new SoC? It starts with updating the HAL and graphics drivers, testing ALL your own applications and hardware again, then getting everything certified through all possible stages again, ... You don't simply 'change' the SoC that easily.
[Xperia Z General] kekkle:
You know guys. After viewing this specs sheet, I've been wondering.

The Ion has almost the exact same specs as the GX save for the processor and other minor things.

In the original leaked 2012 Xperia Roadmap, the Ion was not on the list. Reason for this was that it never was released in India.

Now the Ion is scheduled to be released in September in Europe. Which is even later than the planned July date for Hayabusa.

What if Hayabusa is just the Europe/Indian version of the Ion without LTE? :p
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Then it won't be called Hayabusa, but Xperia S :p The XS is more a "lite" Ion.

Ion has the model number LT28 and GX has LT29. The recently leaked UAProf mentioned a LT29i, so it must be the international version of the GX aka Hayabusa.

But anyway what's the hole point of the discussion? Didn't u13x already said several times, that Hayabusa is the GX without LTE and that will be the LT29i :D

There is little that we don't know about Hayabusa. All we have to do now is lean back and wait for an announcement, hopefully that will be in 2 weeks with availability in July.

BTW. Where is u13x?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
I'll post the exact date here tomorrow, as they aren't at CommunicAsia anymore, they found another place to present there new devices. For more info look at my other post few pages back. I'll receive my invitation tomorrow.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
19.06.2012 was mentioned to be the date of the presentation
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Yeah but that's on CommunicAsia
[Xperia Z General] TwoPointZero:
But it doesn't make too much sense to ship a device with a LTE-capable SoC (MSM8960) if they're not going to harness it.

Wouldn't they be better off using a modem-less dual core chip like APQ8030, APQ8060A, or do like GS3 international, post a quad-core for select markets?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
HTC has done the same with the One S, there must be something to it, maybe MSM8960 is more efficient? Or profit could have been the reason, order loads of the same SoC and you will get a nice discount. business as usual :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] TwoPointZero:
Well, One S' MSM8260A is *NOT* LTE capable. You'd have to use an external modem anyway, which would really kill the purpose.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
MSM8260A is the 3G-version of the MSM8960.

Going with a 'seperate' processor and baseband is a bad idea. It'll completely kill battery life and it'll make development harder. Just because LG is doing it doesn't mean it's viable. I mean, LG is doing it. LG. When did they ever make any good Android handset?
[Xperia Z General] piercewei:
I really want a slim-framed Sony devices. The current and futures decices dont meet my specific requirement. I'll get Hayabusa or mint as long as they are launched to replace my XP. Yet, wait for the better-looking phone in the near future.

I heard that IP5 would have the slim frame.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
if it's going from S3 to S4, then yes you could be right. otherwise you are wrong. you are saying that going from Core i7-2600 to Core i7-2600K needs completely new verification and new HAL. I don't agree with that. the only difference is graphics. if graphics between different generations have such huge difference, then it wouldn't be possible to flood market with so many devices with different cpu in such a short time. generally, there are backward compatibility especially pro and non pro is the same except graphics core.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
I have a question for those in the know. Is it safe to say that every single phone we've seen this year and are likely to see this year are phones that were originally concieved of, designed and were in some degree of production during the Sony Ericsson days? I've heard it takes up to a couple of years to get a phone to market from scratch, so if this is true then my assumption should be correct.

I know I've asked something like this before, but I felt I needed to ask again. If the above assumption is true, anyone want to guess when we'll be able to see phones purely designed by SMC from the ground up? What I'm getting at is that we've been told that Sony didn't want to really share all their tech goodies with Ericsson during their joint venture, and we also know that Sony had the "silo" approach to their business prior to Kaz taking over where one department didn't really talk with another. Well now that Kaz is in charge and the silos are being broken down and we've been told many times that their goal is for better tech sharing between all departments, what does this mean for future Sony phones? In a way, the floodgates have been opened and SMC has all the tech resources of Sony at its disposal now and even better, we've been told that the decision making process to get a device to market is being cut down drastically (well, we'll see if that's true)... so anyone want to take a random guess at when we'll see device that's designed from the ground up from this "new Sony"?

Personally I would hope that we'd see something by CES 2013, but I'm fearful that might be too early to expect a purely SMC designed phone. They might be relying on Sony Ericsson planned devices even by then.

... then of course my assumption may be wrong so anyone want to clarify? :)
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
could it be that sony is just driving out all ericsson designed phones, so they can start fresh?

anyways, it doesn't take much effort porting unless they completely change cpu vendors. os would be the same, they just need to add/update driver and some optimization on per phone/series basis. it's not easy, but not that hard too? considering they have been pushing out so many phones recently.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Well I could go into my fanboy dream list of what I'd like to see on an Xperia, but that'd be getting further off topic. Suffice it to say, I'd love to see technologies from the cybershots and maybe even SLT cameras and audio departments make their way into future Sony phones. I wonder how well magnetic fluid speaker tech would work on a cell phone to produce big sound.

Meh I'm just fantasizing about things at this point, but I do feel Sony as a whole has the technology to make some fracking amazing cell phones if they put all their divisions behind it. That's hopefully what they're doing... I just hope we see the end result sooner rather than later.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
what can sony sell after your dream phone?
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Slightly OT. But interesting. Qualcomm's butter test :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSD_EhgGSc#t=0s
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I do think that timescale is about right, as I'm sure they'll be aiming to have sorted things out in time for CES, or more likely Mobile World Congress.

Most, if not all, of the 2012 stuff will be from the former joint-venture, given it's still being run separately even now. It's really only a name change so far, but if we all get the media player branded Walkman with ICS then we can begin to see changes are happening, slowly.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Just one question: Does anybody know if the GX/Hayabusa supports usb-OTG?

I know that current Xperias like S, P, U does, but since future Sony devices using a MHL port I'm bit uncertain. But it should be no problem since ICS supports this feature natively and even the Gingerbread running SGS 2 has got it.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
There seems to be something on the way...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...0&set=a.118653383389.98058.35313373389&type=1