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[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
sony is going for an all offensive strategy to take over the smartphone market :D
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I think I will skip XPERIA this year, Sony seems to be confused..

Going to buy SGS3, I know its not good looking as Xperia but performance wise its awesome, right now price is too high for me!!!
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
^

Mean no offense but in what way do you think Xperia S is "inadequate" in terms of performance ?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
If its for me then I just hated the dot buttons no button the most.
[Xperia Z General] celsior360:
This is the Japanese style which they won't export the best product to other countries, they do the same for cars and electronic.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
with all the record high corporation deficit?

they used to hate any non-Japanese human present in their country too
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Hayabusa will have 1750 and the Mint will have 1850. They both have different battery capacity. Hayabusa battery will be removable, while the Mint won't be. You guys choose :)
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Any news???
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well, considering the Xperia S does fine on 1750mAh with a less efficient processor I trust either of them will do for me. So, the GX is the Mint, and we're getting a variant of that for EMEA (and US)? Sounds good, bring it on ASAP :D
[Xperia Z General] minhtri:
GX is Hayabusa. Not Mint
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
The same phones from Samsung with subtle differences for different markets.

Remind me how many phones Sony Ericsson released last year.

Arc, play, arc s, neo, pro, mini, mini pro, ray, active and that's not to mention the variants of the neo.

It's just 5 months into the year and we're already on 6.

Nobody can doubt in any way what the flagship from Samsung is this year but already barely 3 months after launch, we're already taking about 2 possibly 3 new flagship devices. Makes no sense to me.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
You will see another flagship from Samsung once iPhone 5 is released! ! :);)
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
Yes so they can finally copy that design...;)
[Xperia Z General] shoz_on4u:
Leaked images of hayabusa on gsmarena

Hi,

Have a look at this

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_st26i_leaks_for_the_first_time-news-4225.php
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
What the hell is going on Sony !!!

Phone after phone emerging from different channels.............

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[Xperia Z General] :
I saw your other post where you mentioned that Mint is basically the same as Hayabusa, but equipped with LTE. Well, what about markets without LTE, they won't get Mint at all?!
[Xperia Z General] darth5zaft:
design wise, i like the s, thats transparent bar is so sexy,,gx is no where near arc sexiness, Gx have low ROM and no word on it ppi

not really a spec junkies, so i dont really care care for s4,but i assume battery life will improve though

what i like is the new camera tech but mostly walkman apps, if its just software i would take the s, but if it hardware related, then wait for GX then,
[Xperia Z General] mrsanches:
Sony was doing good after CES

3 smartphones, one high-end, one mid-end and another low-end..

Sincerly, a part from the Active and Play, which really have different features(IMO, I don't know why Sony does'nt implement all Active features in the other smartphones), 4 models per year is just right

If they want to implant another techonology, GOD DO IT NEXT YEAR OR BE FASTER TO IMPLEMENT THAT ON YOUR FLAGSHIP DEVICE!

the Xperia P would be, for me, the perfect device if it comes with S4 and LTE.. just a shame, I'll wait for next year
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
That's the plan, only LTE equipped countries will get the Mint. To be honest, if that's the only difference, I don't see why you would bother to care right? :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
All at the same time? I am tired of waiting for the phones to release in the US.

Always months behind everybody else. But since LTE is not available in a lot of countries US should be one of the first to get it. :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The US is a difficult market because of all the carrier ****. In Europe, Sony just releases the phones and carriers and retailers can just buy them directly from Sony to resell them. In the US, you first have to pick whether you're going to release it on AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint or Verizon, since all of them require completely different network hardware. Then you have to try and make a deal with any of those providers, if they even want to. Then you have to wait for their bloatware, get them to certify their own added bloatware, and prepare a crappy marketing campaign.

I personally have no difficulty understanding why many phones don't get released in the US. It's a relatively small market compared to the complete rest of the world anyway, and it requires quite an investment and a lot of work to release even one phone for the US.

Your best shot would be just importing a generic unbranded unlocked phone from Europe.
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
this is what xperia blog said :"The Xperia GX was previously using the codename ‘Mint’. The Sony LT29i ‘Hayabusa’ will be the same as the Xperia GX without LTE functionality" a bit confusing thou
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Are there any solid reports regarding the release date of the international version of the GX (aka LT29 Hayabusa)?
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
No words on that..

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[Xperia Z General] somemadcaaant:
Man that phone looks really nice, i loved the arc design just not the hardware buttons.

-smc
[Xperia Z General] :
Thanks for reply, man.

If that's the case, then yeah, I'll just get the Hayabusa because we don't have LTE yet. However, if I remember correctly, you also stated that Mint will use unibody design similar to Xperia P or ion. If that's true, it's probably enough for me to steer away from Hayabusa as I'm not really impressed with its design. Hopefully in a flesh it will look much better. But then again, if Mint only for LTE markets, I won't have a chance to buy it, a pity, though.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
What Sony is doing is just saturating the market. They're not creating that many new devices at all, but most devices are region specific at launch.

For example the Xperia Acro HD in Japan, is now going international as Acro S.

Xperia ion was AT&T only at first, now international

Xperia Neo L was China only first, now international

...

Why is Sony doing this? Because for them it is an extremely easy and safe way to introduce more choice to certain markets without having to spend more research and development. The certification processes are much faster, everything in general is easier if they just make region-specific devices global.

It's not a bad thing at all.
[Xperia Z General] Lucasm93:
I just want to see how many of these phones will recive updates later.

For those claiming that Sony is much better than other brands at delivering updates, the higher number of deviced will be an issue.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
well its simple... they are addressing all market segments... and providing many more options to consumers... say if they only had Xperia S as the top end device and someone doesnt like its looks/feel/etc then the consumer may go to another brand even though he/she might prefer a Sony device.. similarly not everyone can afford a 600$+ device, so they go for the one which suits their budget...

SE strategy seems to work well, atleast on the 2011 device line-up...

SE/Sony released 12 devices in 2011 lineup, out of which 11 devices are getting the ICS update... and the only device left out (Xperia play), they tried to make ICS work on this gaming phone but due to technical issues it was not feasible... atleast SE/Sony is open and clear about why they decided not to upgrade Play to ICS...

u can ur self do the comparison with other brands...
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
It will also come down to things like a big operator seeing the phone and saying 'can we take this?'. If that happens, Sony isn't going to sit back and say 'Sorry, we've got this down as only selling in China'.

They may have a roadmap for hardware, but when it comes to the distribution a lot of it is out of their control and subject to change. Ditto for any other manufacturer.

I've seen Samsung handsets introduced to me in the UK in January (back when Samsung was a lot smaller in the UK) and within a few months have been told that they've been axed, or won't be coming to the UK.

The Xperia acro S, by the way, isn't coming to the UK.
[Xperia Z General] quaver84:
Been going back the start of the thread and the road map (shame it doesn't include info on the markets). So, the GX the hayabusa? We've heard about the next couple. I guess our attention now turns to Mint??

(Another thing as an aside, I'm now out of contract on my x10. Stick or twist!? Go for the S? Wait till September (mint) or - deep breathe - hold out till March to see what CES13 throws up?)
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Yes GX is going to be Hayabusa, but it seems like it will have some additional features. Except u13x nobody in this thread knows whether this will be a sw or hw update.

Mint is a LTE device, so it won't be released worldwide.
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
wow the Xperia Acro S looks HOT! especially the white/silver one
[Xperia Z General] poo-tang:
I know i want one, First water proof PlayStation but us in the UK are not getting it so will have to get 1 shipped. Only thing i am concerned about is that its the Xperia S in a different shell. If the Xperia S gets this hot. How will this cope with more closed in casing. :confused:
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Well, the XS is also not exactly open for the air circulation. So there is no difference as far as cooling is concerned, in both cases it is dissipated through the case.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Any change of plans, as some rumoured suggest or Sony plans to go ahead with exactly the same chip and plonk it on the Mint? The price difference is for the aluminum casing and LTE I presume?

Btw..did you manage to find out whether it would be the XPERIA or SONY logo that will illuminate in the International version? or neither?
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
That's why it's waterproof, so when it heats up, just throw it into the water to cool down :D

Not sure about the chip, I highly doubt they would do that since they have much more time until announcement (from what I heard).

The international will have XPERIA logo on the bottom. Whether it illuminates or not I'm not sure. Haven't had a chance to ask about this yet. Busy with 2013 devices...JK :P
[Xperia Z General] LahiruRD:
lol nice one :D
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Trust you to throw in tidbits to spice things up! :D So there is a good chance Sony will change the chip? Good! I still hope they've retained the illumination bit. A little theatrics didn't do anyone any harm :)

haha 2013! Wish we could see em all :D Well. if you just happen to know when we'll see the 2.0-2.5 gig krait on a device, let us know :p

Thanks!
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
That's what I really did used to do with the Motorola DEFY when it got really hot!!
[Xperia Z General] 2fuss50:
Ah, did that too :-D That was a great little phone for its time and price.

Sorry for OT, the memories :-)
[Xperia Z General] piercewei:
could you tell something about 2013 devices, even a little would be highly appreciated.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I just modified the TOPIC a bit ;):p:D

Sony Xperia Hayabusa GX *** Rumours (by unknown13x), News Everything Here ***
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Hold your horses. Unknown13x already said he was just kidding when he said he was busy with 2013 devices :P

All we know is Mint is going to hold a surprise for us..when its outed ;)
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
follow the hayabusa rule, mint is going to be out around new year time. that's equivalent to an 2013 device.
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
You guys just like speculating yourselves into a frenzy.

You will not see anything better than the s outside Japan until at least late September if at all.
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
Im with you man, Sony's international releasing is majorly messed up. I bet it won't come till october or later.
[Xperia Z General] Aruman:
Only if Mint can come with bigger screen size like 4.6- 4.75" would be very nice,

Because I feel that 4.3" isn't big anymore, lol.

I think I will go with the GX instead.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
doesn't matter how big the screen is. if you can't hold it and operate with one hand. it's not a phone
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
it DOES come with 4.6 inches...
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
A sept-oct launch with November availability? just in time for Christmas and new year? :P

Btw. Just your opinion. Since you know about both GX and Mint. Which one would you choose? You had said Gx..any change of opinion? :D
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
should unknown13x stock up some GX and tell you GX?:D
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
I'm really not sure at the moment, at first I thought Communicasia would be the perfect time, until I heard of acro S jumping in. IMO, late August launch, and September sale is what's plausible.

Between the Hayabusa and Mint, I've said before that I'd rather get the Hayabusa. 4G isn't what I need, I need my white phone! :D
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
4G shouldn't be the only difference between mint and hayabusa right? or most of people won't buy mint. LTE is not that widespread yet.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
LTE and battery capacity, that's about it. What were you expecting? Quad-cores, OLEDs, 16MP camera? :p It's Sony we're talking about here. :D
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I suspect Acro S would cause a delay of the GX, but since both are quite different phones I hope GX to go on sale earlier, but that is just what i Hope and not what I expect

Hope for the best expect the worst! :D
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
OS upgrade (JB can be out already), bigger battery, better appearance than GX (lightbar?). perhaps making AVRCP 1.3 available to be on par with GS II, GS III, HOX and some moto phones. :D

I don't really care about LTE. it's like power draining accessory and I'll be on WIFI for most of the time...
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
@unknown13x

Can you explain for what crazy reason would AUO start shipping OLED panels to Sony Mobile starting next month when supposedly no phone from Sony will use an OLED screen this year. ???:confused:
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
late August launch and September sale - are you talking about the mint? and hayabusa - communicasia launch and july availability? Safe to assume that?

Oh LTE and battery capacity, that's it? No metal unibody? and you said maybe, just maybe a different chipset now that they have time? :D

So basically, Hayabusa - 1700 mah removable battery. Mint - non removable 1850mah. Nah, I'd go for a white hayabusa too :D
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
I didn't say metal unibody, but seems like the cover for Mint is some type of metal, to the Hayabusa's plastic cover.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Oh. Apologies. My bad. Well. That's it. There really is nothing much for me then. Call me old school but I'd rather have a removable battery. And white :P

You recently commented that owing to the time Sony has, the chipset 'might' be a bit different on the Mint. Can you please elaborate a little? :D
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I think u13x meant Hayabusa, which should be released in July according to that leaked roadmap, but now it seems it got delayed and won't be announcement at CommunicAsia.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
just hope that sony doesn't push mint/hayabusa international version to 2013 lines
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
No way..wait for communicAsia

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[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Nope, 2013 is the year of quad core and full hd phones :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
u13x, in another topic you mentionted that the screen size of the mint is different than GXi/Hayabusa, smaller or bigger?
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
what's full hd? screen size, screen type or resolution?
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I think he means the screen resolution (1920 X 1080).
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
If Hayabusa will be launched in Aug and made available in September, when will the Mint arrive? In time for Christmas?
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
exactly. mint seems to be on the edge of becoming a 2013 device

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haven't seen any phone with 1080p resolution. screen size is probably huge and makes it more like tablet?
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
There have been rumours of a 5inch screen device with full HD resolution. Sony and a few others..

@unknown13x

We will see Mint in 2012 or has it been pushed back too?
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I meant 1080p resolution (1920x1080)

If you look at the actual trend, displays are getting bigger, Sony GX 4,6", HTC One X 4,7", SGS3 4,8". So I wouldn't be surprised to see 5" 1080p smartphones next year.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
without 13X, that's probably as dreamy as what we are rumoring right now.

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except it's probably going to be really hot in temperature from all the processing power HD required? my computer screen resolution is low than 1080...
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
I dont see the point of 1080p in a 4~5 inch screen. Nobody can tell a difference anyway. But average Joe will buy it and manufacturers will use it as bragging spec.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
LG showed off one this week, however it was showing off that they could rather than saying they'd be building a 5-inch smartphone/Note clone with it.

The PPI is way too high. It has to be worth having that extra resolution, as there is a higher demand on the CPU and GPU, for what benefit if your eyes can't make out the extra pixels.

About the only reason I can see is for mirroring to a HD screen, but it would probably make sense to output 1080p with a separate display than place an additional drain on the battery for no good reason.

I remember Sharp showing off a VGA-res screen that was just 1-inch. Again, it was to prove that they could - not that they would. Nobody ever made a screen of that size with 640x480 pixels, as it was overkill.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It's not always overkill. Electronical viewfinders in cameras often have an even higher PPI/DPI than we have on our Xperia S.
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
how much detail can you see from an exceptionally detailed picture on a phone screen?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Someone will probably do it to be able to claim the bragging rights, but always remember that those extra pixels will require a lot of extra processing power - and possibly higher resolution graphics, that need to be created (and as such, many old apps will need to be updated).

Is it worth it? I've given one scenario where 1080 might be better (i.e. mirroring on a TV) and at some point in the future, we'll be wanting to output 4K HD, but I doubt the screen itself will need it.

Obviously once you're up to 7-inches and above (tablets, laptops etc) then it changes. We'll have tablets with resolutions beyond HD (like the new iPad) but on a 4 or 5-inch screen? I think it will put pressure on the processor, kill the battery quicker and cost more. To me that's pointless.

If some high-end cameras have it, I expect they cost quite a bit more!
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
Like which camera?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Not always. Those EVF's have lenses in front of them, you view them enlarged at only a few centimetres distance, so they absolutely require a hyper-sharp image. For phones however I do agree that anything vastly above 300DPI is overkill and a waste of resources.

Only at 5" 1280x720 is just below 300DPI. Switching to 1920x1080 for that is completely idiotic though, and impossible with the current Android versions too. XHDPI is designed around a density of 320DPI. If you would have a 5" 1920x1080 display render XHDPI, everything would be TINY and illegibly small. Introducing yet another display density (XXHDPI?) would make applications horribly bloated without providing any additional gain.

If there is anything interesting, use XHDPI and 1366x768 on 5" devices. It puts you comfortably above the 300DPI barrier again, and it provides you some actual extra screen space in Android while not giving in on readability.

For example, hasn't anyone noticed that text in general is a lot smaller on the Xperia S than it used to be on the Arc? You know why that is? Because of deviations from the target DPI.

The Arc runs at HDPI (240DPI target), but only has 233DPI. This means that everything on the Arc looks slightly bigger than it was meant to look when Google designed Android, but it's a very small percentage. The Xperia S runs at XHDPI (320DPI target) but has a display of 340PDI. This means that everything is smaller than intended, since there are more pixels per centimetre.

Now imagine a fictional 5" device on 1920x1080 and XHDPI. All text would be about 40% smaller than it is now on your Xperia S. That is little more than half the size. It would be completely illegible.

Trust me, the reason why Google chose 320DPI as their target for XHDPI is just because there is no gain at all in any higher display density. At all. Even if your vision is perfect it is nigh impossible to see pixels (let alone subpixels) on your Xperia S. From any normal using distance the gain is almost completely lost already.

So don't expect any higher resolutions. Once we've hit our human visibility barriers there is absolutely no point in going further. It's a bit like it was with CD's. CD's have existed for AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGES now, even though there have been numerous replacements. Sony had a go with Super Audio CD, there was DVD Audio, and there were other formats. All of them offered vastly better sound quality than CD's did. So why did none of them succeed? Because almost nobody could hear the difference in quality. There still are audiophiles who have them, of course, but 99.99% (completely random estimate) of the worlds population won't hear the difference between CD and something better. So why would manufacturers bother releasing better quality? Heck, people are even happy with the crappy sound quality YouTube delivers, or 320Kbps compressed AAC's from iTunes.

Some people are afraid of this barrier. I don't like it either, because it makes you wonder what will happen when we have reached all physical barriers, but it's reality, deal with it.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I suspect that extra GPU power requirements will pale in comparison to the additional backlight power drain.

Current LCDs would let less than 10% of backlight pass through (when displaying white), rest is "lost" in many layers modern LCD consist of.

By doubling resolution one also would halve light transmissibility thus requiring twice as bright backlight LEDs. Which in turn will almost halve battery life with display on, for example, instead of 4 hours one would get like 2:30h or so.

And all this just for bragging rights, because one would need a magnifying glass to be able to tell the difference.

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Android is actually designed to handle devices with different physical DPIs. And any developer worth its salt should use device independent pixels (dp's).

From http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html:
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Yes it is, but to do that calculation it still falls back to the four preset sizes: LDPI, MDPI, HDPI and XHDPI. On XHDPI, 1DP is 2 pixels. Even though our Xperia S has a 340DPI-display, one DP still is only 2 pixels. It also matches with the resource sizes.

How do I know? I develop Android applications and have to deal with these things daily. Supporting dispay densities far above 320DPI is simply impossible with the current Android system because everything would be way too small.