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[HTC Inspire 4G] FatGrover:
It worked fine for me the first time I flashed DP, but now it's not... :mad:
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Go into rom manager and delete your first DP backup. Then try again
[HTC Inspire 4G] FatGrover:
Hmmm... That worked!
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
:thumbup:
[HTC Inspire 4G] masulembo:
someone please help me with the browser of google maps tells me that is not available for my area, once you install a rom Virtuous and it worked, no solution to this

thanks
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
I'm sorry but I can't quite understand your problem. Is GPS not working for you on my rom but working on another rom?
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Final build coming soon guys
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Final build? Might I ask what your leet skills are moving to? :-)
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Im taking a break until we get ics kernel so I can bring you guys jelly bean!
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Awesome! Can't wait for the final build then! :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Should be very soon. Hopefully by this weekend!
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrwattz405:
Sweet, I flashed the CyanogenMod ROM your posted also. Can't wait till your next project
[HTC Inspire 4G] ai6908:
I use inspire mod, and it does improve the audio quality as well...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Aokp just released Milestone 6 so final build will hopefully be here Monday!
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrwattz405:
I will be waiting to flash then.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
You guys who have been following my roms from day one know what I've been doing in previous builds.. Next version I have a small surprise;)
[HTC Inspire 4G] Buchez:
:good: Thumbs up on the ROM . Its great so far!!!

A couple questions I have though (Nothing major):

Why is it that every other time I flash a new ROM my apps will not download? I really mean every other time. Its a conspiracy I tell ya!!!

The other day I had a couple VM's. I hit the message alert and it told me no number was avail to dial. I was able to resolve it by enteringmy own number but of all the ROM's I've flashed, that was the first time I've had to do that?

Keep up the great work :highfive:
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrwattz405:
I flashed the cm update flashed inspire

Mod over and everything has been smooth, no problems yet. Looking foward to this one updating soon.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
It should have been out last night but my testers didn't give any feedback. It's def coming tonight though
[HTC Inspire 4G] Bzow:
Sorry about that. I was out of town for a few days and not able to set aside time to test.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Update in the OP! Sorry for the wait guys, be sure to read the changelog!!
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
After install of latest 4.0 Final version, get through first boot, configure initial settings at prompts, I have status bar but homescreen is black, and nothing continues after that. If I hit the capacitive Menu button, I get a popup saying, "Settings is not responding. Would you like to close it?", with Wait and OK buttons. If I choose Wait, it continues to just sit there, but if I choose OK, the phone reboots into the boot animation and never comes out of it. I will try redownloading the ROM and see if I maybe had a bad download...

EDIT: The .zip file's MD5 Checksum matches the one at the download link also...

ANOTHER EDIT: I also always perform a Superwipe via the popular "Android Revolution HD Superwipe" file every time I install a new ROM, along with Wiping the SD Card for good measure (I'm a mad backup artist, lol!).

YET ANOTHER EDIT: No dice, even after redownloading it. I've tried three times. Going back to 3.5 for now...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Anybody else having this problem? I've been running 4.0 for about 14 hours now and I haven't had any trouble..
[HTC Inspire 4G] cnote74:
Did you try it with nova launcher or apex? I chose both launchers and nova only showed up after install.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Apex was the only launcher I had selected.
[HTC Inspire 4G] cnote74:
I know nova works select it then download apex from the market.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Johnn_ares:
Recovery

I'm having problems flashing this ROM in recovery. I'm going to assume this ROM is not compatible with TWRP.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Thanks! Selecting the other launchers during the install solved the problem. It appears that there's an issue with Apex getting installed from within Aroma.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Nice job on 4.0, guys! Question - does video recording work on 480p like in the latest IceColdSandwich? :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] amf66:
Possible bug (although it might simply be the CFS kernel): Twice today when I opened a Gmail notification Gmail caused my phone to reboot. I also encountered this on Ice Cold. I flashed 9.8.8 BFS and will report back if it happens again.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
I'll 2nd this...I've encountered this also, but have not tried a BFS kernel because CFS seems to give better battery life for me. I've switched back to 3.5 Diesel Powered for now.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ai6908:
Try wiping Gmail cache to see if it fixes it.

Sent from my Inspire 4G
[HTC Inspire 4G] amf66:
This ROM has been acting a little strangely today. I had two spikes of battery drain where it dropped about 20% within an hour despite the screen being off and no active apps. I'll keep an eye on this so i can get a better idea of what might be causing it.

Later everything slowed down to a crawl and I had to reboot. It has been fine ever since. I haven't had any Gmail reboots since flashing the BFS kernel.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
I'll rebuild the rom with a different build.prop and hopefully everything will be fixed. Been very busy lately guys
[HTC Inspire 4G] ai6908:
Thanks man...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
This test version seems more stable. The only thing that doesn't want to play nicely is Google chrome. I might have a little resizing to do on the lock screen.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Uploading a new build to dev host now! This one is WAY more stable!

Update in the OP! Thanks to my tester Bzow for making it possible!
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrwattz405:
has anyone flashed this yet? i flashed to my inspire and im having a graphical glitch that keeps happening.. rom seems smooth but the way the graphics are glitching really messes with me

https://www.dropbox.com/s/35mp0vtdo074wwe/logcat

heres a logcat if it helps...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Did you flash Lord's 9.8.8 kernel?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrwattz405:
Sure did tried to flashed twice and same thing so I made that lc.. no biggie I'm more worried about the cm build but thought I'd give this one a whirl. And it was mainly the widgets previews in the app drawer, they was just chopped and glitchy looking I guess is how I would put it. How is cm going? Really sucks u don't have your inspire no more I think I'll send you mine :) if I had a backup :(

from my Inspire 4G and Jellybean
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
I'll tweak the build.prop which should clear up the glitches. Then I'm starting fresh with the cm build. Compiled it myself
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrwattz405:
CyanogenMod CyanogenMod, great to hear, I really did like the new boot on this one though, it was sharp. The ROM ran fine besides those little glitches, but pm when you get cm ready :thumbup:

from my Inspire 4G and Jellybean
[HTC Inspire 4G] DPLOY:
I too am having the graphic glitch with new build...but the new build seems much faster than previous build! The home screens (Using NOVA) seem to block randomly but if you go to another screen and back it goes away - weird and random - can not make it happen on demand. Really no biggie...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
I think the graphical glitch is an easy fix, I just can't do anything until I return from vacation. Internet speeds suck here but luckily I'm going home today :thumbup:
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Awesome. And HEY - enjoy that vacation! We all appreciate the hard work you've put into this ROM. :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Finally back at home, update in the OP!
[HTC Inspire 4G] DPLOY:
Graphic glitch fixed - outstanding!
[HTC Inspire 4G] psal217050:
Followed OP instructions and now stuck on HTC screen. I rebooted, rewiped, flashed again. Still on the HTC screen. Suggestions? I must be missing a step.

Ignore signature, that is my other phone.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Are you using the latest cwm? Anyone else not getting a boot?
[HTC Inspire 4G] psal217050:
This is what I downloaded. I did 1, 2, let it do a full reboot...nothing but HTC screen, pullled battery, started over. Same results, so I tried to flash ROM, GAPPS, Kernel and reboot. HTC screen. Just restored it to 2.3.3, so I can play around with other options. But if you can come up with a suggestion or modificaton to my clumsy procedure, I will test it.

Version 4.0-It's Been A Pleasure

Rom: http://d-h.st/YJd (7-30-2012)

Gapps: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57319776/Rom...429-signed.zip

Kernel: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57319776/Ker....8-ICS-CFS.zip

IMPORTANT: until I can incorporate Lord's kernel into the build, please flash it through recovery.

1. Full Wipe

2. Flash rom

3. Full Reboot

4. Reboot into recovery

5. Flash kernel
[HTC Inspire 4G] psal217050:
Tried it again several times, no luck on this for me. Just stuck in HTC screen.
[HTC Inspire 4G] adanoss:
Nearly same problem, black screen right after bootsplash and no booting progress even if lord's kernel is flashed after flashing the ROM...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Reverted to 7-29-2012 build for now
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
It should work..titanium backup is known to cause freeze and rebooted though.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Guys, the next update will be up in the next few days! Still working out a few kinks;)

Also, I would like to put together a team so any devs out there that would like to help, pm me!
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Testers please flash Lord's 9.3 BFS kernel and report back
[HTC Inspire 4G] legendindisguise:
Liking the ROM so far, however I cannot get Bluetooth to work. It wil just say turning on but never turn on. Other than that it's very smooth and clean.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Mazda:
Hey PipelinerArd could you mirror your ROM to dev host or somewhere you can download it without making yet another account just to download??

I mean, I downloaded it....just kind of annoying, that's all! :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
You want it, I'll give it to you! :)

http://d-h.st/vsa
[HTC Inspire 4G] Munoz.ca:
Has anyone flashed the latest kernel yet?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Munoz.ca:
Sweet! Looking forward to it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
It'll be up in a few hours! :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
Love this ROM. Is anyone using any of the most recent LC kernels? I think the latest is 9.7.4...just curious...
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
The highest I'm running is 9.3 CFS on the updated version. I'll play around with Lord's kernels tonight and see what happens.
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Totally pumped for the update!!! :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Uploading when I get home!
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
New version up! OP in changelog!
[HTC Inspire 4G] Munoz.ca:
Boom!!! That just happened!

Who needs bluetooth anyway... :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] natecglenn:
Downloading now
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
I'd like to hear your imput after you've tried the kernels
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Nice sig!
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Just wondering did you fix the bootanimation sound by chance? Or does it work and I'm just doing it wrong lol
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
I didn't. I'd have to play around with the build.prop
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Thats fine man take your time, its not a major issue.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
Dont know if this helps but are you naming the bootani sound correctly. For ICS roms it has to be named boot_audio.mp3 (ICS) not android_audio.mp3 (Gingerbread)
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
I'll try that right now, so just place the boot_audio.mp3 file into system/media?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
Yes
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Still not working :(
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
Make sure your not naming it

.mp3.mp3 place it in folder where bootanimation is located. Hope that works if it don't sorry then, works for me on icecold. Also it is recommended boot sound not to be longer than 15-20 seconds long.
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Nope it was nammed corectly.. do I need to put a .ogg file into system/media/audio/notifications? and what should the permissons be?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
no just place boot_audio in system/media with the bootanimation if your using root explorer make sure its r/w mounted if your using es file explorer make sure in settings you have root explorer checked as well as mount file system checked.

EDIT: Try this bootsound out place it in system/media then reboot phone see if you can hear it. You can always delete it and put yours in try it out as a test.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39375693/boot_audio.mp3
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
still not working :( I even tried a different .mp3 that was 19secs long and it didnt work, this thing has me scratching my head lol

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Just saw the edit and trying that now.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
lol sorry bout that maybe dev has to do something with build.prop of this rom.
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Still no sound sadly..

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Thats my guess, thanks for your help though lol I did learn something new today though at least haha that on ICS the audio needs to be nammed "boot_audio.mp3"
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
last thing I would say is check sound permissions it needs to be rw-rw-rw-

Good luck peace out.
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
The permissions of the mp3 file?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
Yes hold finger on boot audio when window pops up where you get option to delete or rename scroll down to bottom and see properties. See what permissions does the audio have. It should be rw-rw-rw-
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Yup that's what they were and it didn't work... still scratching my head lol
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
try permissions again but use this setting (Make sure to set permissions to RW/R/R)
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
is it possible that my boot sound is off? I have my phone volume on full but is there another setting for just the boot sound?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
no there is no separate sound control for it. Is this a sense based rom? if so look in system/bin folder and see if their is a bootani there. If I recall sense roms boots are in system/bin foder try placing sound there.

All we can do is experiment. Now Im curious gonna flash and play around with this rom.
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Yes there is boot animation and boot sound in the system/bin, do I place both the animation zip and mp3 files in there?
[HTC Inspire 4G] nowseewhatudid:
wifi problem

im not sure whats up if i forgot something but i install and when to connect the wifi and it just hands on the turning on screen this is off a fresh install i did nothing but full wipe and install
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Did you flash lords kernel? if so which one?
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Did you flash lords kernel? If so which one?
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Install Lord's 9.3 kernel from op..
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
Give it a shot wont hurt. I flashed the rom but could not get wifi to turn on, had to go back to ice cold. Gonna reflash and install latest LC kernel.
[HTC Inspire 4G] nowseewhatudid:
No i completely forgot thank you bro im doing it now thanks
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
No prob!
[HTC Inspire 4G] Munoz.ca:
I just flashed Anniversary Edition and LordMod 9.3-ICS! This is one of the smoother ROM's I have flashed.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
I tried the rom out was a very nice one though had a few missing things I use like car home. I flashed the latest LC kernel 9.7.4 cfs and it worked beautifully as well with the rom if it helps anyone.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Munoz.ca:
So kernel 9.7.4 CFS gets you "car home"?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
lol no it dont I was just saying the kernel works well with the rom. What I meant was there are several apk's missing in this rom that I use. I was going to get them from another rom and see if I can install them.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
How's everything running guys? Any bugs?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Munoz.ca:
Great on my end!
[HTC Inspire 4G] hellot1M:
What apps are missing. Did you flash gapps? Some apps you can only get from gapps

Sent from my Photon Q using ultramegaextremeXDA
[HTC Inspire 4G] FatGrover:
So far so good! Keep up the good work!
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Going to flash latest kernel now

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This is most likely unrelated to the ROM but my HTC Inspire 4g has been randomly restarting, this happens at least 6-7 times a day, my phone started doing this prior to flashing the ROM or even rooting my phone. Any ideas?
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Holy crap...even before you rooted it? Idk it might be a manufacturer error? Can someone back me up?
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Sadly thats what I think too.. I can't return it though because its been out of the warranty and they said it would be like $125 to replace (which is bull) so I guess I'm screwed then.. I just formated the sdcard I read somewhere that may help, who knows
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Sorry to hear that. Good luck man
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
I also cannot get wifi to turn on
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
did you flash Lords kernel 9.3 bfs?
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
That was it, I am an idiot, thanks
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
haha we all have those days man
[HTC Inspire 4G] natecglenn:
Thanks I earned it lol
[HTC Inspire 4G] SysAdmNj:
Hey guys, are there any mirrors for Lord's 9.3 BFS kernel. I cant open that link in any of my browsers.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ghostryder12:
Try this.

http://blackice.omca.co.uk/download/icecoldsandwich/Kernels/

I'm just an Inspire tweaking junky.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
View attachment lordmodUEv9.3-ICS-BFS.zip

You ask for it, I give it;)
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
Some people have restart issues when battery begins to go bad. Try changing out the battery.
[HTC Inspire 4G] SysAdmNj:
Same thing, I couldnt open that link but thanks anyways.

Thanks, that worked and happy anniversary :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] hellot1M:
Might be the battery. I've had this issue on 2 of my past phones. It was a faulty battery both times two different devices.

Edit: just noticed rein mentioned this as well.

Sent from my Photon Q using ultramegaextremeXDA
[HTC Inspire 4G] Phoenix-Lead:
Try a new battery. A lot cheaper than a new device

Edit: clearly beaten! Oh well
[HTC Inspire 4G] Reinaldo33897:
I am truly beginning to love this rom. Very nice and smooth. Absolutely no issues so far.
[HTC Inspire 4G] oscarbum:
Can someone direct me to a place I can download Lord's 9.3 BFS Kernel? The search function is down on this site. Couldn't find a thread for it. His website is down. Can't find a place to download it using Google.

Ready punch my own scrotum.:confused:
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
View attachment lordmodUEv9.3-ICS-BFS.zip
[HTC Inspire 4G] thinkhope:
Awesome work pipeliner. Great overall experience. I have a couple of questions, to which I apologize if they have already been asked and answered. My bad. :)

How does one access aroma in order to choose between the different launchers available?

Also, I'm only able to use trebuchet as a launcher. I know I have the option to just download apex but the features list says trebuchet and apex are available. Just wondering. Thanks again for the wonderful work you've done.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
In aroma there's an option to do a custom install that let's you select the apps that you want to install. But now that you have the Tom installed just go inside the .zip file and go to extras/apex and install the .apk file that way.
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
Is there a reason why my contacts pictures only show up on some?
[HTC Inspire 4G] chris.l.naish:
It is my understanding (though I could be mistaken) that this is the result of Google and FB not getting along so well (Google wanted to acquire FB, but FB said no to selling themselves)...

In any case, for ICS Sense-less ROMs, I use and highly recommend Haxsync for displaying HQ contact pics....only cost me .99.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
You're right. Most people use a sync app from the play store.
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
This ROM runs sweet, only thing I can't figure out is the GPS. It says it is on but my phone doesn't even attempt to actually use the GPS with Maps or GPS Status.

I factory reset/wiped caches, flashed the recommended install.

I recently switched to the 04.21_M radio and HTC-RIL 2.2.160

Should I try the 2.2.0018G RIL? Where is that?

I have also flashed the AGPS fix that is in this forum.

Any ideas?
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Was it working before the radio switch?
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
Yes quite well. I'll try going back to the old one I was using I suppose and report back. When I switch radios again is it safe to just reflash the rom without factory reset/cache to get the new radio working?
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Full wipe isn't needed. Just wipe your cache and flash the rom. Please report back.
[HTC Inspire 4G] hellot1M:
Friends sync is just as good as haxsync and its free and doesn't show up in your app drawer :) try that out if you don't want to pay for haxsync

Sent from my Photon Q using ultramegaextremeXDA
[HTC Inspire 4G] FatGrover:
Two issues, not sure if ROM related.

1. I'm being told it's hard to hear me on the phone. Was fine before last flash. Could be phone issue, but wasn't an issue before.

2. Horizontal games are flipped the other way. It's not a problem with some games that don't flip when you flip the phone, but games like osmos, that flip when you flip, is always upside down.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Can anyone else confirm the first issue? Me and the testers tried to figure out what causes the crazy rotation but no luck. I'll try to have it fixed in the next version. If not sooner
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
Flashed old radio, old RIL, cleared caches, reflashed rom, flashed LordMod Kernel, flashed AGPS.

Still no dice. Going to start from scratch this time from factory and see what happens.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Alrighty, keep me informed
[HTC Inspire 4G] SysAdmNj:
Something weird that is happening to me is that it is not recognizing my paid apps from the playstore
[HTC Inspire 4G] broncosfan007:
It is my understanding (though I could be mistaken) that this is the result of Google and FB not getting along so well (Google wanted to acquire FB, but FB said no to selling themselves)...

In any case, for ICS Sense-less ROMs, I use and highly recommend Haxsync for displaying HQ contact pics....only cost me .99.

Thanks that works great!! :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
Still no luck on the GPS :( I've tried everything I can think of, I don't get any indication that the phone is actually trying to connect to the satellites at all.

Is there any other info I can give you that might help? Gonna go to bed, I'll check back in the morning.
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Clear data and reopen the play store
[HTC Inspire 4G] JahCartel:
Using 9.7.3 bfs currently
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
How's it working for you?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mrjacob212:
Great rom but two questions:

Videocam illusion shows the visuals flipped upsidedown??

My capacitive buttons dont light up??
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
The rotation error is known

Turn on auto brightness to fix sift keys
[HTC Inspire 4G] PipelinerArd:
Hey man, I just flashed a new radio and RIL but I don't understand your problem. Could you explain it to me again?
[HTC Inspire 4G] MmmmBeeeeer:
My GPS is not working any time I try using navigation it doesn't even show me that it is trying to connect to satellites. GPS is on. I flashed back to melchezidic aosp and the GPS works just fine. I flashed 3 times no luck