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[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
Sadly the reason is the V isn't the flagship. The T/TX's camera has been pointed out about the HDR, but the V can't steal all the spotlight, and which is why it's keeping a rather low profile. But don't overlook it, the majority of the V's spec's will appear next year as early as CES 2013.

Also, I'm having concerns about how White Magic performed last year with the P. Yes, it does have good contrast, but viewing angle is very poor compared to even the S. So we'll have to see some reviews of the V before I could recommend it to anyone.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
This is totally confusing. It was reported, that HDR option will be available only in Xperia V. Which makes me think it will be just the same sort of sequential "HDR" as in iPhone4, since the "real" HDR should come with new Exmor RS with RGBW coding which won't be available until 2013.

There was no mention, that T/TX has HDR functionality.

Anyway, even if the T/TX is the current flagship, Sony still did not say why it is worth buying. I mean - for normal people, not for Sony fans who do not need any motivation.
[Xperia Z General] unknown13x:
This is what was written in the brief for the top 3.

"13MP camera with Exmor R and HDR to take your best shots in any light condition''.

Nothing about the RS.

Either I've been misinformed, or some things just haven't ironed out at Sony yet. :confused:
[Xperia Z General] louis.b:
I'll wait till we have an Xperia that has an IPS/ SLCD display.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Since that kind of HDR is purely software thing, it can easily appear on any phone ar any time.

Sadly it is a classical example of marketing driven engineering.

Instead of making the larger sensor or just reducing megapixels to the sane levels in favor of better dynamic range and less noise they simply resort to faking it via technique known as "bracketing". Which will never yield good results in non static environments.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
Could you answer my questions please :$
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
Also unknown13x, are there any Sony Xperia handsets left to come out this year? Or we done for 2012? :)
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
just one info - any plans for XPERIA NEXUS?
[Xperia Z General] thejosetree:
There will be no new Nexus this year, only the Nexus 7.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
There are rumours of a 3G enabled Nexus 7, which will probably do for Google if true.

I'm sticking with my S until I see what's out at CES.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I think there are rumours about 5 NEXUS DEVICES this year

sent from the BEaST Galaxy S3
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
I would guess at 2 nexus devices left to see since the NEXUS 7 16&8 are two devices and the Nexus Q is another one. There are also rumors of an updated version of the Galaxy Nexus. So I am guessing there may be a low end device (Galaxy Nexus revision) and a newer flagship model perhaps.
[Xperia Z General] Sharaz22:
Any updates on whether xperia t is being sold at carphone warehouse?
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Nothing mate, we have a code set up, no pricing or stock info though.
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
LOL I knew Sony wouldnt make the Sept 5 launch date in the Uk. I love Sony, but they suck at keeping launch promises.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Did they actually come out and say it would be available then or was it a rumor from somewhere else?

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
They didnt actually say it, but I would call this more than a rumor.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/cpw-xperia-t-j-tablet-s/
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
It doesn't look like Sony ever made that promise. That false release date is all on Carphone Warehouse from what I can tell and Xperiablog seems to agree:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/09/05/the-xperia-t-didnt-launch-in-the-uk-today-expect-it-late-sept/
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
so now Xperia T delayed !!!

With upcoming iPhone 5 and windows phone, I think Sony again lost the battle..
[Xperia Z General] GTBlackIce:
Well....I wouldn't say it's delayed, bro.

Sony did mentioned it'll start launching 'in the next few weeks'. Since this was only announced last week it's just too good to be true that it'll be available yesterday. If they do get it out someplace within the month I'd say they're quite fast this time 'round...

Still think CPW is the one giving wrong info... or Engadget reported wrongly? :confused:

I'm eagerly waiting for it too... :o
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Yeah, it's definitely Cpw giving the wrong info. Sony have never said it'll be that early.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Vodafone Germany had the Xperia T on its stand at IFA and had pricing information next to it, but told me it was on sale in a few weeks. The model on the stand had engineering software (thus was showing notifications of system crashes and log files being sent to Sony) so they didn't actually have a retail model.

At the time I'd already heard about it supposedly going on sale on the 5th September in the UK and guessed that if Germany wasn't getting it on the 5th, I doubt the UK would be - and I've not seen anything official to say the 5th.

What's more, I bought my Xperia S on Amazon and pre-ordered it from Sony. The Xperia T isn't even on there yet, to pre-order let alone buy. So, I really don't think it was EVER planned to be released that quickly.

Anyway - in other words - Sony never said the 5th. It didn't come out and anyone slagging off Sony for missing a deadline that never existed is totally wrong.
[Xperia Z General] thejosetree:
+1

Sony said that Xperia T would be in a few weeks, so be patient and calm down.

Expansys Spain says that Xperia T arrives in two weeks:

http://www.expansys.es/blog/?p=1937...&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ES_04septembre
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Well, everyone is somehow fixated on that iphone5 launch. Which is in my opinion totally irrelevant, as there are not too many real customers on the fence between Xperia T and Iphone5.

Those are radically different phones, different sizes (4" vs 4.6", quite a difference), different ecosystems. And both are pricey, so neither of them is likely to be bought on impulse.

On the other hand, Motorola RAZR HD (MAXX) could be a very serious contender if it is ever released here in europe.

Much better battery, could be a potentially better camera (more sane 8mpx, less noise), real hdmi out.

Just one thing where it fails is that acid pentiled amoled display, probably the same as in galaxy nexus.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Sony Xperia TX/"Hayabusa" and SL released in China for $680 and $610 respectively

http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-tx-xperia-sl-china-price-availability-112782/
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
Ugh the TX needs Hong Kong Release too!!! It's IN China
[Xperia Z General] Grey Goshawk:
I'm looking into buying the Xperia V from abroad as it won't be coming to the UK. Before the V I was considering getting the Acro S from Yesasia since they have quite a good deal. But apparently the V will not be coming to HK.

Could anyone recommend websites which sell phones internationally from countries such as perhaps Germany, Italy, Singapore or anywhere else that may be getting the Xperia V.

I'm also aware that certain territories will get the phone cheaper as seen by how the Acro S is around $727 and around $491 in HK.

Thanks.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Keep an eye on sgbest.com

New Xperias not listed yet..

sent from the BEaST Galaxy S3
[Xperia Z General] darth5zaft:
Cnet asia report the v would be available in singapore
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Question is WHEN ???

sent from the BEaST Galaxy S3
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Is there a big difference between snapdragon s3 and s4? And I mean in daily use not benchmarks

Thanks
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
No
[Xperia Z General] Aruman:
Ok guys can I get an confirmation of what markets goes T/TX phones? will the TX be available in the Americas? or only the T?

I'll appreciate it very much some informations,

Thannks.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Only the T and locked to AT&T

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
XPERIA TX AVAILABLE IN CHINA !!

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/09/06/sony-xperia-tx-lt29i-now-on-sale-in-china/
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
I have a feeling they will not launch this device Internationally until at the earliest, late September. Q2 is too damn early to release this after the Q1 launch of the xperia s.

Like someone already mentioned, just who is going to buy the xperia ion.

It's just poor decision making year after year. No clear strategy.

It's like some of you don't understand the meaning of the word flagship.

Why oh why did they just not push back the launch of the flagship and release something they were happy with rather than rushing out the S with dated hardware and software.

Even the GX could have been better. You get the sense that they held back in some ways to stop it completely overshadowing the S.

Sony Ericsson or just Sony. Change in name but the same old crap.

Boy is it tuff being one of their users.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Why all the criticism? It's too early to comment what impact it'll have on sales this year. Having multiple flagships just might work and I really don't see why they can't.

The Xperia S was never the flagship. And only one executive had said that it'll be the flagship for H1. Which is fair enough.

The Hayabusa and Mint are more or less the same, the difference being just the casing and the LTE bit.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I highly doubt you gonna see an international release of the ION. So far it has been just announced for Malaysia and an operator in the States (At&t). The rest of the world will get Hayabusa followed by the Mint in the holiday season but only for countries with LTE.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
@unknown13x

But what about the announced 4.3" amoled from AU Optronics?

To sum up, there are 3 versions of the GX:

Japanese: infrared, dust and waterproof (?), tuner

LTE: with LTE, chromed sides, 1850mAh, non-removable battery

non-LTE: without LTE, chromed sides, 1750mAh, removable battery & microSD
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
I think we have first to think about what makes a flagship device.

Here is a nice post from Nokia Conversation

http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/04/20/what-makes-a-flagship-device/

---------- Post added at 09:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 AM ----------

3 version of the GX, did I miss something?

The GX which was announced yesterday has LTE, removable battery (1700mAh) & microSD, hasn't got infrared and isn't dust and waterproof.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
I was just summing up what unknown13x was saying. Only the infrared is wrong, sorry. The other 2 non japan versions are for the other countrys
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
There are only 2 versions. The Japanese one which has LTE, the international one without LTE.

@Zymo

The post by Nokia does really drive home the point.
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Didn't Sony say the ion would be released worldwide q3 during MWC?
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25949067&postcount=75

....
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
Why do you people just enjoy talking nonsense.

The announced the device both at CES and MWC as their flagship device.

That's what they said loud and clear without any caveats leaving no room for ambiguity.

Infact they have deliberately left out the term flagship when describing these two new devices but we are not fooled. The GX has a much better processor and that's unforgivable. Not so soon after the launch of the S.

I still believe will not see an international launch of these devices until September when the buzz around them would have died down and we would be looking forward to their next quad core device in 2013.

Those of you waiting for the GX will end up skipping it as well because by then it would not be worth it.

They've released them in their strongest market to have the best possible presence they can have this year to stay on top in Japan.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Well, that's your interpretation because Sony had no better phones at the time. If that was their flagship, then I am sorry for that tired company.

Unforgivable? So, they should remain retarded and lose to the competition just because some fans could feel betrayed? Or have nothing to sell for some 7 months?

Look, the Xperia S price was set fairly low from the start, and sunk even further. It is a good strategy if you want company to die, because catering for a few diehard fans nowadays are not enough to remain in business. Others look at xperia S and go buy samsungs or htc's or whatever.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
According to the leaked roadmap we should see it in July. Nevertheless I wouldn't skip GX, for what? Waiting for their Quad Core phone arriving sometime Q1/Q2 2013? I really don't care about Quad Core CPUs in phones, heck even my Laptop hasn't got a quad core CPU. The one and only device beside the GX which I would be interested in would be the next Nexus, but being pretty sure it won't have an expandable storage due Google Drive, the GX is my first choice.

I think the best selling devices in Japan came from Apple and Samsung. BTW The GS3 will be the first Smartphone in Japan having 2GB Ram.

---------- Post added at 01:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:20 PM ----------

I would indeed say that the XS was and still is a flagship device, BUT not for the High-End market.
[Xperia Z General] richteralan:
I can see where this thread is going: hardware.
[Xperia Z General] SEFanX10i:
@Zymo

Not really. Since about more than a month now the highest selling phone in Japan has been the Xperia Acro HD. Iphone 4s is at the second spot.

Similarly the Xperia X10 and the Xperia Acro sold really well too in 2010 and 2011 respectively.
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
@ SEFanX10i

Thanks for the Update :) I've read somewhere that the IP4s along with Galaxy were leading the Top 10 in Japan.

If the Acro HD is doing that well in Japan, then the GX will surely top that. Good for Sony.
[Xperia Z General] nemer12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cuHWgwqWg0s#!

maybe the first international version.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
Just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean the other person is talking nonsense.

You are talking about the miniscule no of people who visit xda and keep themselves informed about upcoming / rumoured devices. The layman simply goes to the store after seeing the ad, gets attracted, likes it, buys it. Quad core rumours don't mean anything. There is always a better device round the corner.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
CHILL OUT GUYS!!!

No arguments please..

Just share ur own opinion, no clashes..
[Xperia Z General] zodiac100:
A flagship but not for the high end market.

How curious indeed. I think I have a very different understanding of the term flagship from a lot of you.

Therein lies the problem.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
I want to know if this S beam is purely software related, or something to do with hardware as well???
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Thx dude for re-posting (the news is from yesterday) :p
[Xperia Z General] AnubisNefer:
As to regarding the Xperia V what are the reasons that it's not gonna be released in some countries?

Does this have to do with:

- LTE availability?

- something else?

I'm keen op getting the V cause my humble opinion is that the V is the one to look for.

The design of the V is really sweet!
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
cant decide v vs tx ... i found somewhere that for xperia tx u can buy 3rd party coating for it to become waterfroof... i want tx...!!! i think xperia v software can be transferred to tx
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
This is a little of topic but still interesting

Ddaily, a web site that is in both Samsung's and LG's home country, says that the reason for the lack of that 13MP camera on Sammy's model is because Sony could not come up with enough 13MP CMOS sensors to satisfy Samsung's demand. Considering the success of the original model, which sold more than 10 million units, Samsung would need more of the part than the Japanese manufacturer could deliver at the time.

So how did LG secure enough 13MP CMOS sensors from Sony? Apparently, LG's LG Innotek division had been purchasing 13MP CMOS sensors from Sony since the ball dropped in Times Square signaling the start of 2012. And while Sony is looking to expand its capacity to build the 13MP CMOS sensor, it will obviously come too late for the Samsung GALAXY Note II.

Sony is making the camera sensors for major phone manufacturers.
[Xperia Z General] louis.b:
this is a fact that has been known for ages....
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Yeah, both the iPhone 4S and Galaxy S3 use a Sony camera.
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S3VnQq5VnU

Now i want The TX more... Liquipel made the device waterproof :)
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
Not waterproof, just able to withstand water contact for certain period of time. Without any long term guarantees.

Water will still enter into the phone, and even if it won't cause a shortcircuit right away, nobody knows what other long term damage will it cause to the internals of the phone. Especially in a mix with all that dirt and dust accumulated in your phone.
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
^ but i really want xperia tx :) GLOWING LOGO
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
And irony is camera of SGS3 n iFail 4s are better than Xperia S !!! :banghead:

sent from the BEaST Galaxy S3
[Xperia Z General] spinz78:
That Glowing Logo really looks cool. I wish they had it on the back too so that it glows when u r talking to someone with the phone held up to the ear
[Xperia Z General] tel033:
Yes slightly better but thats because of sh*!* software not hardware cause we have the nest hardware I right? It's a shame
[Xperia Z General] louis.b:
As a new owner I have to say I hate both the actual camera and the camera software on the XS. It takes ages to focus and even when it does it loses focus very quickly. The Sensation XL focused extremely quickly and it took photos very fast as well.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
The Xperia T is currently on pre-order on Clove. They ship internationally. Price is £345, which is approximately $550.
[Xperia Z General] grrrr_unt:
How about the Xperia S AOSP project by JBQ? (:
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
Not a bad price. Cheaper than the s started out at. I like my s but at those prices it is tempting.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Yeah I agree. Also, expansys-usa has it on pre-order but no word on pricing yet. I haven't seen the white version up for pre-order yet. I wonder if it will be released at a later date?
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
^ :) i really cant decide between v and tx. prolly buy tx bcuz larger screen camera hardware key and i think the software tweaks of v can be ported
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Do any of the Sony mobiles with LTE support the 1800MHz band? One of the UK's networks (Everything Everywhere, which operates as Orange and T-Mobile) is launching LTE tomorrow and there's a lot of speculation over what handsets it will announce.

The Lumia 920 is one that would work, and possibly the iPhone 5 (but EE won't be announcing that tomorrow - but might soon after Apple unveils it). The thing is, there would suddenly be demand for other handsets to release with LTE capabilities, and I wonder if Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony etc will be in a position to announce a LTE handset tomorrow morning?

Who knows, the Sony Xperia V might suddenly make a UK appearance after all, as an exclusive.
[Xperia Z General] prewed:
Xperia V Support LTE-Band I (2100 MHz), Band III (1800 MHz), Bandv V (850 MHz), Band VII (2600 MHz) und Band XX (800 MHz)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Then I suspect we might very well discover it is coming to the UK after all!

I am going to the announcement (starts 9am BST) so I guess it's worth looking out for news in the hours that follow.
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Yeah, the V should work on EE's 4G network.

I'll be getting a T soon, on the 20th.

Edit: looks like CPW will be selling the T on Orange from £26 per month.
[Xperia Z General] cikomiko:
@hydennobuyuki

I was wrong. I mistook it for the nfc logo.

Like someone else said, it is the logo of a Chinese provider.
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
what do you mean with the announcement ?

Which announcement ? Xperia T or V and in which Country ?

And when is the announcement ?
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
I think I have read somewhere, networks are thinking about "refarming" of their current frequencies as their GSM900/1800 networks are not so crowded anymore and quite inefficient.

So, the 1800 could suddenly get very interesting across the whole europe. AFAIK German T-Mobile is currently building their LTE networks primary in 1800Mhz band.
[Xperia Z General] LegibleEel:
I live in the UK, if I import the Xperia TX will the phone work with 3g data etc? I read that the phones have to use the same frequency bands or something?
[Xperia Z General] hydenobuyuki:
Really? That's too bad; I was hoping there'd be something new and interesting coming ^^

Sorry, I didn't see that part about a Chinese provider.
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
Alas the V wasn't announced as a LTE phone for the new 4G network in the UK. Instead we had kit from Samsung, HTC, Nokia and Huawei.

Come on Sony!
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
I keep saying this, they need to launch the V with this, otherwise they'll be left behind.
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
New camera sensor for v...

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/09/11/sony-confirms-sensor-on-lens-technology-for-xperia-v/

my love for tx is fading away quickly. first hdr , next s4 chip then waterproof?

omg
[Xperia Z General] Stedus:
Its not the new sensor for the camera, its the new sensor on the touch panel that reduce the thickness of the display :D

More like the In-cell touch panel in the New Iphone....
[Xperia Z General] georgesmh:
but according to xperia v's white paper, the phone doesn't have the wet finger tracking technology, no dedicated camera button, and VGA front cam.. i'm getting the acro s instead.. S3 and S4 aren't really that different but the only thing i'll really be sad not to get is the arc design
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
The S4 seems to benchmark up to 3x the S3, plus it's lower power and runs cooler.

The lack of camera button is a shame, but overall the V is a much better phone than the acro S.
[Xperia Z General] georgesmh:
will it be available worldwide? i live in the middle east with no 4g support, i don't know if it will be available here, anyway what's really the deal breaker for me is the wet finger tracking thing ... is it really absent on the V? Thanks.
[Xperia Z General] kaleys:
so if you damage the surface of the screen a little, you damage the sensor? will that happen?
[Xperia Z General] mrsatan:
The running cooler and low power are awesome. The benchmarks are just for epeen size. S3 and S4 are plenty for games and OS.
[Xperia Z General] draugaz:
No, the sensor is still under the glass.
[Xperia Z General] Surethom:
Camera Quality

The problem I find with Sony phones is they have less detailed picture than the iphone's that use sonys sensors, I wish sony would compress less try & get better pictures than the iphones.
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
Still NO confirmation on release dates for any of the new phones in Singapore !!!

They should learn something from Apple, they announced i5 yesterday which is going on preorders from tomorrow and will be available from 21st Sep, even in Singapore..

from xperia PLAY
[Xperia Z General] dubist:
o2 Uk says that the Xperia T will be available from the 26.September from o2 UK !
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Xperia V to come with Clear Phase technology

Another reason why the Xperia V is probably the true flagship!
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
All these features are software based. It can be ported to any other xperia phone. Sent from my LT26i using xda premium
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
^but xperia v has many more hardware features so only software features can be ported unless they require the hardware..