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[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
While I appreciate your quick defense of Mobint, perhaps you should re-read what was posted. . .

I made it a point to praise the work Mobint has done. I also said he deserved whatever profit he earned, as he certainly has done a lot of great work. I merely expressed that there are still issues with the product. Doesn't a developer wish to know these things?

Likewise, it is merely an expression of an opinion...are those not allowed anymore here at XDA? I suppose I could have expressed it over at the Play Store instead...but my displeasure would have reached a much larger audience and would have the potential to cost Mobint money far beyond my refusal to pay $3.99 for what I deem is a not-quite-ready-for-prime-time product...and that wasn't the intent.

To slap a "Plus" label on a product when all you've done is to finally include things that should have already been there in the first place, does nothing to make it worth the $3.99 asking price. As was mentioned before, charging for what should have already been there in the first place is like buying a sports car only to be told that the key to start it is a "special feature" and will require an additional purchase.

I am not unwilling to spend money for a polished product... I purchased SPB Launcher at nearly 4 times the price of Holo Launcher "Plus" because it offered something different...something extraordinary...SMS and missed call notifications are not extraordinary...they are standard in nearly every launcher.

Feel free to show your support for Mobint (the third time I have said this). I believe he has made a wonderful launcher that needs to resolve several basic issues before it is purchase-worthy.
[Android Apps and Games] Val D.:
:good:

In addition, it is a hard decision to buy this particular sports car when your old sports car is still faster, has smoother suspension and on top of everything came free and fully loaded. For me the suspension is the problem here, still too bumpy.
[Android Apps and Games] Mi470:
I so agree with this. Great basic product, bit certainly not worthy of paying for it yet...and certainly not for $3.99.
[Android Apps and Games] victix11:
I am not (just) talking to you, I'm talking in general, to everyone being not happy because of some missing, often unneeded features by only complaining and not suggesting. I do not disallow you anything, I just think you and lots of others shouldn't be so negative. You don't have to complain and say the app is bad, because one tiny feature is missing or whatever else. You can also say for example that the app is good and suggest mobint to add something. And in your case you can also suggest to design some themes yourself so Mobint can use his time to develop new features.

Sorry if my post was a bit too rude, I just wanted to have that said.

Hope you're not hating me for all this.
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
I am not being negative, only observant. Go back through and note how many folks have complained of lagging in the launcher. Go back through and take note of how many times folks have complained that going into preview mode is jerky and sluggish.

There were multiple references as to what a fine app Holo Launcher is in my first two posts. Search through the thread and see how many times I and others personally have praised the work done and the progress. However, with the praise comes the criticism.

Why does SPB Shell, at $15 a pop, have over a half a million downloads? Because it is an extraordinary product worth purchasing. It offers something in a way that is appealing enough to pay $15 for something similar that can be found for free anywhere you look. Why have over 10,000 plus people shelled out $17 for TSF Shell? Same reason.

Nobody is being negative ... we are being opinionated...and consumers.

SPB Shell is worth $15 because of its amazing eye candy. TSF Shell is worth $17 because of it's speed and beauty. Comparatively, do I really believe Holo is worth $4 because I can finally see how many GMails or SMS messages I have waiting? No. That can already be done with Go Launcher EX, Nemus and others...at no cost and with better performance specs. Go Launcher EX is bloated for sure...but it works smoothly and efficiently on most single core devices.

You were not rude at all. I am just merely pointing out that it is a bit disingenuous to call something "Plus" and to charge for it when really it is just now making up for what have been "Minuses".

Cheers
[Android Apps and Games] prophetx2:
Great app. Just purchased the plus version because it is hands down my favorite launcher and the notifications on the lock screen and icons is totally what I needed.

One suggestion is that of the icons are grouped the count doesn't show if the icon isn't in the front of the grouping. I group my gmail and sms app on to the doc together with the sms icon in the front. Is there a way to show the cumulative count by chance?
[Android Apps and Games] ttkyles:
google voice unread count widget from the play store,accomplishes this task.
[Android Apps and Games] ttkyles:
ok really liking holo+

even though 3.99 was kinda steep,the launcher is definitely one of the best. additional gestures and widget icons rock.

Great work!

Here is an idea? How about xda members discount,sorta like setcpu.
[Android Apps and Games] Val D.:
Come on victix11, no hating here. We are just commenting the app and everyone has his own opinion to share. I think ClubWDW has a very good point. It is too early for this launcher to go commercial simply because it is not fully finished product.

How come this launcher lags on a phone that has more muscle than a computer running flawlessly Windows'XP? Must be some king of a problem here. In this case optimization is needed, not additional options. I did an experiment to configure LP exactly the same way like my Holo is configured. Yes, it takes time to do it and additional apps are needed but home screens look 95% the same, you can't tell which one is LP and which is Holo. But you can definitely recognize LP when you touch the screen. I thought Holo is smooth when I first install it but going back to LP shows how far from smooth it is. I'm ready to pay for a smooth launcher, not full of options. We already have free bloated and laggy launchers on the market.
[Android Apps and Games] underface:
in plus wersion widgets are looking like in stock ics launcher? on ics? or not?
[Android Apps and Games] Moscha:
Two days ago i installed a White Rabbit ROM for my Defy and after using Go Launcher for a long time i choose to give Holo Launcher a try.

The Result: Today i bought Holo Launcher Plus via Play Store and I like it very much! Very Fast, Stable, low footprint in Memory. Great Work!!! :good: :good: :good:

Most wanted Feature was to sort the App-Drawer, which is "solved" by the Plus-Version...

But i've three suggestions:

Holo Notifier

- Please add K-9 Mail and WhatsApp-Support

Holo Launcher

- Please add the ability to create an launcher-action-icon to jump to a defined Desktop-Screen.

- Please add the ability to add already existing Desktop-folders to App-Drawer category and vice versa.

For an example: dropping a "Games"-folder from the desktop into the app-drawer should create an app-drawer category called "Games".
[Android Apps and Games] rbrahmson:
The XDA community provided Mobint a service and it would be nice to have some reciprocity here. The full PRO price is too steep

at this stage

of the product.
[Android Apps and Games] o0BlacknesS0o:
Seriously +1

Droid Charge powered by TSM Tweaked 2.2 ext4 w/ Transparent ICS 4.0
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
Here's a case in point...If I read correctly, Gmail notifications only works with Gmail 4.0.5 or higher...Gmail 4.0.5 or higher only works on ICS and higher. Wasn't one of the big "selling points" of Holo is that it brings the ICS experience to Froyo and Gingerbread? How is this a "Plus" feature? Pay $3.99 for a feature that you cannot use on a Froyo or Gingerbread device...If I had the ability to run Gmail 4.0.5, then that would mean I had ICS or above already...negating the need to bring the ICS experience to my device...See what I mean?

Good launcher? Yes.

Great launcher? Not yet.

Worth $3.99? Absolutely not.
[Android Apps and Games] Mi470:
Amen
[Android Apps and Games] Trina9:
HTC EVO 3D, stock Android 2.3.5. Gmail notifications work just fine.
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
Awesome! Glad it works for you...and thank you for posting the pic...perhaps the dev should change the description.

Those of you willing to pay $4.00, I am happy for you...I mean that. I think Holo has great potential. But allow me to post a pic of my own...

This is a pic of my phone...it looks nearly identical to yours...it is running ADW Launcher EX. The last time ADW Launcher EX was updated was December 7 of 2011.

My point is this... a launcher that just went "Plus" two days ago is just now "approaching" what a launcher that hasn't been updated in over 7 months was already capable of. And...is only $3.32 vs. $3.99 for Holo Launcher.

ADW Launcher EX does not lag, does not stutter in preview mode and does not shut my phone down after a couple of hours.

It IS skinnable/themeable and it DOES allow for more than 3 rows in the dock.

It is worth the $3.32? Yup. Still is even if just for two reasons I just mentioned. That's not to say at some point that Holo won't get there...I believe it can. I'll re-evaluate if/when that time comes. But then perhaps the "Plus" will provide more features than Go Launcher EX, Nemus and others already have as standard fare...for free.

Let me reiterate:

Is Holo a good launcher? Yes.

Is Holo a great launcher? Not yet.

Is it worth $3.99 for a product still this early in development?

Nope.
[Android Apps and Games] pator5:
If you put an option to change dock picture like in Launcher Pro it will be a Great otherwise is only a Good launcher ...
[Android Apps and Games] danilocps87:
Hey mobint, you are so bad... You turn all us in your fans, addiction us in Holo, and now launch a paid version...

But, for now, the free version is good to my little galaxy 5. When I buy my new dual core phone ICS compatible, and when you add the "widget tab" (at least for ICS users, like Trebuchet launcher), I will buy the plus version, surely.

Thanks for your great work with this launchers.

(And think about a free plus version the translators guys)
[Android Apps and Games] JohnnyEpic:
Good points ClubWDW. I was here to purchase this and will not be anymore. Thanks for your insight.
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
Don't get me wrong...for what it is and for where it's at, it's a great FREE launcher. Just not seeing enough to justify the "Plus" label or the $3.99 pricetag. Mobint is a talented developer and I look forward to what we'll see in the future.
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
$2 would be OK for this launcher and a lot more people here would buy it and no one would set up.

Maybe mobint offer a starting discount - then all active xda readers have an advantage of that. Another good thing would be to upload a xda version to this thread which is the pro version (like better battery stat). For now I won't buy this version.
[Android Apps and Games] gagdude:
I'm just wondering, why isn't there a widgets tab? I love the launcher but having a tab for widgets with a pictures preview would be amazing! :)

My best guess is that Gingerbread doesn't support it, but its its own launcher, so I don't really see why...
[Android Apps and Games] frenzyboi:
I feel that at this point in time, it's a little too much for us to pay for it.

Mobint has been using xda-developer to advertise his products. We, as forum users, help test the application, report bugs, give suggestion etc. This serves as a platform for him to get reports, fix his launcher's bugs and make everything better.

At this point in time, I think it is too early to release a paid version of his application. Not only that, like what others have said, his paid version includes services that other free application would provide.

I

personally

feel that it's just to early for things to go this way.

Even if mobint want to sell his products on Google Play, I strong believe that he should at least release his "plus" application free for us, here in xda-developers.

Lastly, many of the services he released in his paid launcher, were

most probably

suggested by us, users in this thread [like notification etc].

I don't mean to offense anyone here. I've been using Holo Launcher since the first release and is still using it. I really love this launcher as I had no intention to upgrade to ICS because I am developing apps for Android 2.2+.

I've no money to support the developer, but at the same time, I am not using this as an excuse to get his paid launcher, because if I had spare change, I would certainly buy it.

Thank you. [sorry for my bad English]
[Android Apps and Games] AndroidReborn:
PAID version?!

HI there,

I have been around for as long as the development of this started.I have been testing its every version.And now,although it has evolved quite a lot,what you are offering for paid is available as free in many launchers.To become a real selling app,i think it requires some more time and development.

I

personally

feel that this should be developed a bit more before releasing a paid version.Also,even if you are releasing,then you should give it for a discount or for free at least to all those members who have been testing this and been with you since the beginning.

Regards

AndroidReborn

P.S.:All those who agree with me....thank me to show support.:)
[Android Apps and Games] UnitedOceanic:
i there,

please look into the keyboard navigation (Motorola Milestone), it's basically useless on this launcher.

other than that its pretty nice, hope you consider a paypal payment option like titanium backup.
[Android Apps and Games] KidCarter93:
I have this launchers free version installed and I have the DroidIcon app. I downloaded a different dock from droidicon, but is there a way I can set it as my dock. I can't find an option to change it.

Any help would be great :)

Sent from Sony Xperia S using XDA Premium

Join my threads here and here
[Android Apps and Games] gummie:
Oh its a good thing that I'm not the only one thinking like this. I've just got back from 3 days vacation and was happy to see an Update from 1.0.6 to 1.1.0 I first thought was that the request features are finally added along with some performance tweaks but to dismay I saw it that it was for Plus Features only and its at almost 4$.

I know developing is not an easy task but to go on Plus at this early stage is not worth the bucks. I have been an ADW Ex Consumer for long time and just recently change to Holo because it fully looks identical to ICS Launcher but having to pay for 4$ for the requested features that should have been there all along is not really appealing.

Sorry but I dont mean to compare you but there is also a great dev that is working on ICS theme for CM7. He is just charging 1$ for it on Play Store but the Theme is frequently updated through support of XDA Forum Members and as a Freebie to them the Current Version is posted days after it was posted on Play Store. Youll know who I mean if you are using his Theme and is an active member of his thread here at XDA.

That is all. I hope our opinions will reach to Mobint. I sincerely thank you for this Great Launcher and still continuing to use it but only for free version.
[Android Apps and Games] AndroidReborn:
Physical Keyboard

Hello

And another thing is the physical keyboard doesn't function properly even a bit with this launcher.One of my phones ,an xperia mini pro ,has a keyboard ,and that is useless with this launcher..

Do look into this also.Because many people have phones with physical keyboards.Like the motorola milestone,etc.
[Android Apps and Games] Trina9:
You know, with all you people complaining, I wouldn't blame the developer if he stopped development and walked away. It's happen with other apps.

Why the heck are you people complaining about the price? If you don't like it, don't buy it. However, if you want to support the developer and it's working on your device, you buy the app.

No wonder some developers don't want to support Android with all this complaining.
[Android Apps and Games] hkfree:
it is too expensive.... in hkd HK$30.99... if $10 will buy it...
[Android Apps and Games] topcaser:
Mobit, don't you think you earn the same when you discount the pro version for a limited time simply since you sell much more licenses? Furthermore all people who helped you in developing would benefit from it...
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
We're *not* buying it. Thanks for understanding.

There is a difference in complaining and being a wise consumer.

If I have been brand loyal with any other product, I would be seen as smart to express my displeasure in the cost vs. quality of workmanship. For example:

I have been a Honda user all my life. Suddenly, my favorite car has gone up in price $3,000 and the only "Plus" feature they have added is...tires.

Using your logic, I'm wrong to complain of my displeasure. Shame on me for complaining about the car having no tires. I should be grateful for what they have done before and with all my complaining, you wouldn't blame them if they stopped making cars.

Also using your logic, I should go ahead and show my loyalty to Honda for what they have done...in the past...and buy the car.

Do you *really* make buying decisions this way? Do you *really* decline to offer feedback on what is important to you...just deciding not to have anything to do with your favorite product?

Purchase if you feel compelled. I don't fault you. But don't fault those of us who will vote with our wallets AND our voices.
[Android Apps and Games] scottjb:
This is not a fair, or logical, comparison. Tires are required to drive a car, air conditioning is not. Plus features should be compared to air conditioning, not tires. They are features not required to use the launcher.

I am surprised so many people complained about the $4 price, we are cheap! There is no need to repeat the complaints, I think everyone gets the message, $4 is too much for the extra features. Don't buy it if you feel that way, your actions will speak for themselves.

Just because you asked for a feature does not mean it should be free. I use this launcher on one of my devices and will continue to use the free version as it suits my meeds nicely. Please don't embarrass the entire community by posting pages and pages of complaints about $1 or $2.
[Android Apps and Games] stefi68:
Holo Launcher Plus

Hi!

Congratulations, great launcher: fast, simple and stable.

I use it from the beginning and also translate into Hungarian.

Translators may get a license for Plus version? Just to be able to test the functionality. :laugh:
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
You are missing the point entirely...it is TOTALLY a fair and logical comparison...you have just chosen to extrapolate it further than the post intended.

I'm not talking about features...I am talking about things that nearly EVERY other launcher has embedded as a standard part of the launcher. SMS notification and missed call notification are not FEATURES any more than the tires or keys in my previous posts are features...they are things you expect from a car as standard equipment. The analogy is sound and the logic proper.

Thank you for your concern for the community...it is appreciated. I submit to you, however, that the majority of our community is intelligent enough to withstand constructive and valid criticism of a product that we support and love. Were this not the case, nobody would express displeasure because nobody would care. The fact that the majority of our community IS expressing displeasure should speak to you. It means this is a product we love and care enough about to speak up about the way this "upgrade" was handled. As has been mentioned before, better here than in the Play Store where the criticism translates into substantially larger sums of lost revenue.

As for your gripe of mentions of $1 or $2, pay attention...the market is speaking...Go back and look...I personally have not mentioned alternative pricing. As a matter of fact, I have pointed out my willingness to pay for SPB Shell at $15 because of the FEATURES I found to be purchase-worthy. Again, for me, price is not the issue...functionality and stability are.

It is not logical to assume that just the act of NOT buying the launcher will get the point across. Perhaps Mobint has a goal to make $100...it would appear he has satisfied this goal. More likely than not, however, he wishes to make more. If we stay silent, are we helping him achieve that goal thinking the lack of sales will drive him? Or do we do him a service by letting him know that we are WILLING to pay for features....just not for what should be "standard equipment". I submit the case is the latter.

AGAIN...spend your money if you wish...it is certainly your prerogative to do so. I (and a growing majority of others) will do so when the FEATURES, not what should be standard, are there to justify the cost.

Oh...and I submit that the "embarrassment" to the community comes not from polite dissent, but from those brazenly attempting to shut it down.

Cheers.
[Android Apps and Games] si_bolang:
please stop spamming here,if u won't buy plus version just enjoy free version or try other launcher like me:D
[Android Apps and Games] Giozer:
HOLO with ROM RSK

I have a HTC Desire with ROM RSK (android 2.3.5 - sense 3.5).

Can I use Holo Launcher with my phone?

Thank you.
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
This will be my last post for the foreseeable future on this thread...it would appear only those who agree with their own point of view are encouraged to participate.

Firstly...It is "spam" if the recipient's personal identity and context are irrelevant because the message is equally applicable to many other potential recipients; AND the recipient has not verifiably granted deliberate, explicit, and still-revocable permission for it to be posted.

This doesn't fit the description. Glad to help you out with that.

As for enjoying the free version, perhaps you haven't read previous posts...allow me to bring you up to speed..

The free version is laggy and has transition issues when going into preview mode. As well, it has a nasty habit of locking up the phone after some usage. This is why I have moved on for the time being.

I am impressed with the work Mobint has accomplished in such a small package. That said, a launcher that freezes up consistently and is charging for a "Plus" experience merely because it has finally brought it up from "MINUS" status, is not purchase-worthy.

As I believe in the past and the future of this product, I will continue to monitor this thread. Having said that, I will rest easy knowing that those who feel that the rest of us are entitled to only THEIR opinions will not be saying ANYTHING negative about future issues with this launcher. They will just pay up and shut up...right?

As my pastor used to say, "Don't complain about what you permit".

End of line.
[Android Apps and Games] winesh:
Can anyone tell what kind of transition effects are added in the plus version ?
[Android Apps and Games] Trina9:
I can't think of one comeback to ClubWDW but this:

Universal Studios Florida has much better roller coasters. And a cheaper annual pass.

Has to be done.
[Android Apps and Games] ClubWDW:
Of the top 10 theme parks in the United States, Conde Nast Magazine and others routinely list 6 Disney Parks in the top 10... with the first 5 being Disney Parks....

And...I am a member of Disney Vacation Club...proof that I have am willing to pay extra for a product that is both brilliant with the basics AND provides more value for the additional money spent.

Have a "magical" day! ºoº
[Android Apps and Games] KidCarter93:
What happened to being the last post eh? ;)

Sent from Sony Xperia S using XDA Premium

Join my threads here and here
[Android Apps and Games] Wacco001:
Sigh,

Guess by now we all know the various opinions about this (pricing) "issue".

Would be so great if things would return back to topic ....