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[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
Lol, I should of put "to my knowledge". I've played around with a lot of Android devices, more than I can count on my fingers, and none of them haven't had a removable battery cover. I suppose one or two out their may exist, but after searching I couldn't find them.

Secondly, you guys are just trolling because whenever somebody goes against your beloved company you get your panties in a bunch. Is it my fault that I don't want to blindly follow a major corporation and support them when they make terrible decisions?

How is removing features doing what the consumer want? You guys don't think it's a big deal to not have a removable battery or easy access to the bootloader?

If HTC cares soo much about their consumers then why does only the sprint version have expandable memory card and none of the others? Are we that much more important than the rest of the U.S and world combined? THEY ARE THE SAME FREAKING PHONE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Yet HTC consciously decided that Sprint users have a need for an SD card while the rest of the world doesn't.

Troll and disagree with me all you want, but you know i'm right. I'v been around Android and owned enough HTC phones to know that HTC's respect to their customers and the Android operating system has declined severely.

The point of my thread was to vent (unnecessarily, I suppose) and to get you guys to open your eyes for once. So many people are glorifying HTC for their knew line of phones and is sickening to see how blind people act towards them. Take a step back and look at the decisions they've made.

And who ever troll'd the processor comment, you're a moron. WE DON"T NEED MOAR CORZ. A polished OS is efficient and can run perfectly fine on one or two. GTFO

End rant 3.
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
I thought you stopped reading waaay up there?

I'm not even going to argue anymore about how blatantly HTC has disregarded not only us, but ALL of their consumers.

Do you really not see it or are you just defending them because you've already decided you're going to get the LTE and every HTC phone no matter what they do?
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
#1. There is no blindly following anything. If someone prefers something, its their CHOICE to prefer it over anything. Don't think people have that right? What country are you from??

#2. NEWSFLASH!!!!! SPRINT told HTC to put expandable memory in their version of the One X. If you didn't know now you do.......CARRIERS make specific adjustments to their variants of phone and HTC does what the CARRIER requests. So I guess rest of Carriers felt those customers didn't need/want that. So while you SCREAM at HTC for making decisions about what specific carriers get, you should atleast understand its those CARRIERS making the decisions. NOT HTC.
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
#1. You're right

#2. I find it hard to believe that the other 6+ carriers receiving a variant of the EVO told htc that they didn't want expandable memory...or removable battery.

Oh, and i'm from the U.S, where if you express a difference of opinions you are shunned by the masses and you're thread is voted 1 star. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
#2. Might be hard to believe but its true. Thats how it works and how its been working for years. Do you think HTC just randomly says to a carrier, here take this version because i think it will work for you and your customers??? Sprint is the one who goes to HTC and says we want your next device. But we want it with these specfic changes. Can you do it? HTC says ok, sprint reviews and says they like it, and then its released.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
A good read.....

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/2998464/how-samsung-broke-my-heart
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
If you know that to be fact, then I can't argue with you as i'm not really an authority figure when it comes to manufacture/service provider relations.

My assumption was that HTC was nickel-and-diming when they produced the ONE line of phones and figured that it'd still sell fairly well even if they removed some vital features. I figured the EVO only got a bigger battery and expandable memory because HTC had to differentiate from the pack somehow, and being that the OG is notorious on Sprint they decided to leave a couple things intact. To me this makes logical sense, but then again the world is run by logic or sense.

If what you are stating is true, and the majority of people are fine without expandable memory or even they prefer "NOT" to have it, then I might be able to retract a lot of my hurt feelings. You'd have to do some mighty convincing though because the stat sheet points to HTC just being plain selfish and not listening to what the consumer wants. It seems they are developing a history with that.

That was a really good read indeed. It actually explained why I thought I liked the SGS3 at first but then realized I didn't. lol

Edit: I still haven't completely ruled out the s3. I'm waiting to here which variation of it makes it over seas. For whatever reason, I actually like the design of it..a lot. But This seems to be one of people's main gripes about it
[HTC EVO 3D] SoraX64:
You're being way too dramatic. I see HTC putting a lot of focus on their users. I don't see them intentionally degrading the experience for their users. The only real arguments against the non-removable batteries are that you can't use something bigger and that if the battery goes you'll need to get the phone fixed.

But you're ignoring the positives that the integrated battery gives. It's safer in there, sealed away. And with the phone being more of a one piece build, you get rid of problems like dust underneath the screen. If everything is sealed up, the insides are safer. Now instead of having 100 people bring their phone in for having dust underneath the screen they'll have 5 people come in with failing batteries. More normal users will enjoy the phone because they won't have to worry about dust under the screen.

The lack of an SD card slot on other versions of the One X could be for different reasons. HTC is trying to put a focus on cloud storage. But regardless, what is built in will be fine for most people. They're trying to push Dropbox and other cloud storage solutions because many people believe that to be the future.

No, I'm not a blind HTC fanboy. I do acknowledge that some of their decisions might not settle well with other people. But I can see what they've done for what it is, and I understand why they might have done those things. So attacking me for thinking with my mind instead of bashing HTC without actually thinking about what they might have done those things for makes you look foolish.
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
Very sound and reasonable argument.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Can't agree any more with this. Sure, I liked being able to replace my battery and get instant 100% wherever I am, but dust under the screen is really annoying. And with this beautiful screen, having dust under it would really be a dealbreaker. The thinness is also really worth it. Having a 2100 mah battery and a thin phone is a huge plus. The bulkiness if my Evo 3D, without cases or anything, is still way too much.

Also, as for the SD card, I can't find a justifiable reason to need over 16GB. 3-6 GB will be taken up by apps, backups etc. Having 6 movies from the play store is about ~6GB and honestly if you have more than that you need to actually watch the movies you rented/bought then delete them. This leaves 4GB for music. 4GB can hold like 500 or 600 songs from the play store/itunes. I don't think anyone has that many songs on their phone.

And neither am I an HTC fanboy. Don't get me wrong, the Evo 3D is a great device, but it was kind of a let-down. After having this phone for a few months, I was going to make my next phone a samsung. Recently, though, after comparing the Evo LTE and SGSIII, I can honestly say I'd rather go for the Evo LTE because of it's SLCD 2 display compared to a pentile and all other specs being the same. Oh, and did I mention the developer support for the LTE will be way better?
[HTC EVO 3D] Keion:
In short? Yes. First of all, I would like to say that both of these are great and delicious phones and I would very much like to have them. However, there has not been a "perfect" phone out yet. For example:

The HTC 1X/E4GLTE:

Pros

Great Processor (quad armv7, dual armv15)

Great Screen

HTCdev method

Great RAM

HTC sense 4.0 (Yes I do actually like it.)

Cons

HTCdev method

No microsd

16 gigs (I watch tons of animus, need at least 32 sd, 32 phone.)

1gigram

Dealbroken

The SGS3:

Pros:

Quad exynos (armv7)

Unlocked bootloader(?)

Cons:

Pentile (dealbroken)

Ugly form factor

1gigram

Did I mention the form factor?

Touchwiz(no me gusta, personal pref, would unlock and aos/kp anyway)

Oh, and by the way, the form factor.

What would be best by today's technology:

Armv15 (dual or quad)

2gigs of ram ddr3 (or 4 if it comes out) (ram not upgraded with processor with quad cores)

A GPU that can totally destroy the one in the ipad (Not just barely beat like today's GPUs)

Non pentile 1280x800 screen 4.5-5 inches

unlocked bootloader

Running sense 4.0/aosp ics 4.0.4

Is that too much to ask?
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Your wish phone:

Armv15 -Already in OneX

2gigs of ram ddr3 - More RAM isn't really needed

Good GPU - Agreed, manufacturers have a hard on for cpu rather than gpu

Non Pentile 1280x800 screen - hopefully 1080p screens will be out next year or something of that rank

Unlocked bootloader - only with sammy

Sense 4.0/AOSP ICS 4.0 - Any sense phone, not sammy/motorola since dev sucks on them

This is too much to ask for this year, but in next year's wave of phones it won't be.

Still, the Evo LTE can be tailored to your liking by eliminating some of the cons.

HTCdev method - Yeah, but you can still flash roms/kernels plus there's a really good chance the LTE will get S-Off

No microsd - Use an online storage like dropbox for your files. You might be opposed to it at first but once you try it I'm pretty sure you'll like it...

16 gigs (I watch tons of animus, need at least 32 sd, 32 phone.) - Store animus on dropbox and watch it from there, even with 3G it should work fine. Plus you can also still keep a lot of episodes on your sd card with 16GB.

1gigram - Unless you have like 100 apps installed and keep them all running at once, RAM seriously doesn't matter after 1GB. It's kind of how like 4GB is enough on a windows machine for normal tasks/gaming. Now, if you're going to be movie editing on your phone, which is highly unlikely, I can understand the need for more RAM.

Although apps in the future will probably cost more resources so the 1GB bar will probably be raised to 1.5GB in a year or two.
[HTC EVO 3D] scottspa74:
Why do I keep seeing comments about no micro SD? Evo LTE DOES have removable storage (thanks sprint), though the other variants do not.

Also, I agree with a lot of points in OP. I kinda feel like HTC is shunning the spirit of android. I do love HTC products, but very disappointed with some recent decisions. I've been trying to get myself to like the Gnex better (and in a handful of ways, I do), but still am leaning toward Evo LTE.

Very pissed at HTC for the halfassed unlock method. Someone said, 'so what if HTC doesn't want us to break our phones'.

To which I say, 'HTC has no business giving a damn what I do with my phone', thus why I love android. That's the position HTC should be taking.

Oh, and removable batteries are nice, too :D
[HTC EVO 3D] scottspa74:
Oh, and I definitely prefer SD to cloud storage. How long might it take for lte? And if I'm sending things to dropbox via sprints blazing fast, ultra reliable 3g, it seems it's a lot more likely for file to get corrupted than HDD SD file transfer.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Yeah, SD card is much better but cloud storage is still an alternative
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
Dude, cloud storage is not in anyway an alternative to having an actual SD card on your phone. I agree with some of your points, but thinking that dropbox is a replacement for expandable memory is beyond absurd.
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
yeah Sprint users really can't complain in that regard as we do actually have an SD card storage. I think most people (at least myself) are referring to the HTC One line of phone in general and principle behind not including an SD card in those.
[HTC EVO 3D] SoraX64:
Animus.. on your phone?! I can't stand not watching mine on my big 23" monitor.

I'd suggest you delete episodes once you watched them. I was able to fit all of Infinite Stratos on a Kindle Fire with some room to spare, and that's like 6 hours of video right there. :P

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Depends on what you're storing. Dropbox is great for pictures, documents, and smaller files. Of course you aren't going to store videos on there, because you wouldn't be able to watch them.

You don't have to carry your entire music library with you. I used to when I had an iPod with a huge amount of storage that could hold all of my songs. Even when I did that, I would only listen to a small portion of them at any given time. I have over 32GB of music on my computer, which makes it a difficult library to carry around. I listen to a TON of music, but I have never felt the need to carry 4,153 songs around with me.

The storage space in your phone is meant for pictures, app data, videos, and SOME music. Carrying around more than 10GB of videos and music tells me that you just aren't very organized. If you aren't going to watch or listen to something, there is no need to carry it around.

Back to the main point, though. Dropbox can be used as a replacement for local storage in certain areas. Accessing your photos and documents and other like things is very easy. You can use the Dropbox app, and some file managers even allow you to link your Dropbox and Box accounts in order to access them just like your SD card. You can store tons of music on Google Play Music and stream when you're on a stable connection, and carry around a smaller library of music that you are more likely to listen to when you aren't around a stable connection. That's what I do. And it works just fine. If it weren't for nandroid backups that took up so much space, I could get by on an 8GB SD card with no problem at all. I've got tons of cloud storage space, and all of my music on the cloud. I look at the cloud as another form of expandable memory.
[HTC EVO 3D] Keion:
I can stand HTCdev.

You think I can afford a data plan? I'm poor.

Unfortunately, my transformer prime has 96 apps installed. I actually keep most of them running all the time.

Maybe it's just me, I'm sorta wacky sometimes.
[HTC EVO 3D] meme405:
I didnt read the entire thread, but I skimmed it.

I do have one thing that i agree with you wholeheatedly on. SCREENS ARE GETTING WAYYY TOO BIG.

Did you guys know that before the first iPhone came out Apple did a study on optimal screen size and found that for the masses there are certain dimensions that work in terms of length width and diagonal.

This wasnt some quick poll or survey either, it was a million plus dollar study into the ergonomics of touch screens. And their final product was a 3.7 inch screen on the iphone.

Although i believe that this may have changed a bit from when they originally did that study. i do believe that 4.3+ inchs is way more than necessary.

In fact i believe my optimal size for a screen would be around 4"...
[HTC EVO 3D] chlehqls:
The screens being too big is a weird issue because I thought my screen of 4.65 inches on the Galaxy Nexus was going to be too huge. After using it for the past few months and going to a local Bestbuy store and playing with smaller phones, I can't help but feel how inferior and smaller they really are.

I do agree though that OEMs should stop focusing on bigger screens. I held the One S today at a T-Mobile booth and I missed the smaller size but love my giant screen on the Nexus.

Iffy issue to deal with.
[HTC EVO 3D] starplaya93:
While I do like the whole premise of cloud storage I refuse to let myself get heavily invested in it due to personal reasons and privacy concerns, and I wouldn't appreciate my cell phone manufacturer removing features from my phone in an effort to get me to use cloud storage. It's a senseless and unnecessary act.

I do realize that 16gb is enough memory for a lot of people, but I know other people who store all of their media, including music and video on their phones, and 16gb simply isn't enough. Also for those of us who store our app data on our sd cards to save space on our phone, that quickly adds up can easily take many gb's....

Lol

You guys remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM

GBsssssssss
[HTC EVO 3D] SoraX64:
Well, then maybe the One X isn't for them. HTC can't appeal to EVERYONE.
[HTC EVO 3D] PlayPetepp:
When I read/hear people talk about how 16-32-64gb or whatever is more then enough for anything/anyone, I always remember that one thing Bill Gates said like a million years ago: 64kb is more then anyone will ever need. It was bull$h1t then, it's bull$h1t now. Would you like your computer to have "just" 500gb storage and you couldn't expand it but had to buy another computer because of that? Or delete something you may or may not need in the future? It's a major pain in the butt. I'm certain the answer is no. So don't go telling people how they should use their phones or what should be enough for them (or that phones are not computers cause infact they are). Every person has a different view on it. Cloud storage is in no way a full replacement. Having said all this, people will eventually decide for themselves. And it's ultimately their decision to live with.

==edit==

This post wasn't intended for anyone in particular. Just read it and thought someone might get recognized. :p

-. typewrited .-
[HTC EVO 3D] Blayz:
this thread is pretty much:

"yea that makes sense but it doesnt fit how i personally use the phone, these phone devs are EVIL!!! phones need to be designed to work perfectly for each and every user on every forum why havent ANY companies done this? i guess noone wants to make money! and i'm speaking from my highly educated position since i've ran cell phone companies for years... and i dont care if you're rebuttal has solid points in it, i'm gonna point out the fact that its wrong in "principle" for htc to do something even if its already been explained why they did it"
[HTC EVO 3D] MemoryController:
I am going to wait for Cortex A15 phones, not gonna buy sgs3. I was expecting dual core A15, not quad core A9.....
[HTC EVO 3D] bagelicious:
That's not difficult at all. I have a 64gb microsdxc. Works great.

The storage space is meant for anything we want it for. It's great you've got a little system over there but other people have different uses and different needs. I shake my head when people come on here trying to tell others how to use their phone and that they're doing it wrong. This isn't Apple.
[HTC EVO 3D] dmcgrath009:
Guys the one x doent have micro sd but the new evo does ... So your getting the an extra 16gb of space lol ......

Also I will go find the link but HTC has made some amazing strides in efficiency with the one x from what I have read and that will translate to the EVO which has an even bigger battery.

My initial reaction was the same about the battery but I actually started to think about it and well I have never swapped the batt on my 3d I used to do it all the time on the OG EVO . So why do I care that the new phone with very efficient processor and more efficient opperating system with a bigger battery is not removeably ... I shouldn't lol

Plus look st the quality of the build on this thing its amazing really .... I mean have you ever picked up an iPhone and just been a little bit jealous of the build quality and design ? Just a little bit lol .... I don't think you will have to think that anymore with this beautiful thing.

Also the camera beats the iPhone cam one other thing I have been a tid bit jealous of the iPhone with ....

Now if the speaker phone is really lound on this new EVO I will be one very happy camper because its everything I want... And the s3 well its nice but for some reason looks a little weird to me and I'm going with the HTC ..... And honestley I prolly should have skipped the EVO 3d as being just the next android phone because it didn't really come as far as the new EVO did in the same amount if time .

My 2 cents ... Might have been closer to 3cents

Link : http://tinyurl.com/82yngh3

Edit: I looked over more of the thread and I can't wait for the bigger screen .... The 4.3 is not enough for me if it fits niceley in my pocket and doesn't look retarded while being used as a phone then its not to big for me ... Once I get this thing I'm.going to give my galaxy tab 7 to my nephew and buy a transformer prime .
[HTC EVO 3D] SoraX64:
And I shake my head when I see someone bash a company because not every one of said company's decisions please that person, because that person thinks that the world should revolve around their needs.

It goes both ways.

And I'm not telling people how to use their phones. I'm telling people that there are other ways to store data and HTC and Co. are trying to make that more of a focus. The One X HAS NO SD CARD. So I'm telling the people that complain about that yet still plan to get it that they will have to find a more reasonable way to carry around their data.
[HTC EVO 3D] dmcgrath009:
one more cent lol

I have been an HTC user back to the hero days and the only reason I wasnt before that was my lack of wanting to pay for a data plan the touch diamond was sweet !

HEro->OG EVO->3VO------

that being said without question the EVO 4G LTE is a top contender to the next generation of smart phones and I am looking forward to what HTC does in the future so I will keep supporting my favorite phone manufacturer at least for the foreseeable future. cant wait to get the new EVO !!!! :D
[HTC EVO 3D] cyrusrocks:
Neither make me want to use an upgrade
[HTC EVO 3D] Saneless One:
The problem is it can revolve around multiple people's needs. You may have heard of this little company called Apple. They have 4 sizes at various price points: 8, 16, 32, and 64GB. 0, 99, 199, 299, and 399. If you don't need much phone or space, you're covered. If you need a ton, you're good.

HTC or AT&T basically said no one gets a choice. Maybe AT&T was trying to not upset apple or taking their usual neuter android stance, and that's all they could think to do to knock down the One X.
[HTC EVO 3D] dmcgrath009:
Well the aregument for the sd card is its cheaper to buy 16gb sd card than pay for an extra amount of storage from apple ... Sd card is better ... Bit the conversation is useless on that end because the s3 and the EVO both have sd card slots lol
[HTC EVO 3D] bagelicious:
The world doesn't revolve around my needs - I am fully aware of this. However, everyone I know with an Android smartphone has a microsd card to go along with it. A lot of us (especially phone geeks) have bought larger capacity cards to use with their phones. The new format of microsdxc is up to 64gb and counting right now. It's not a gimmick, this is an actual useful piece of technology that has been in Android for a long time. Why not continue to support this? Because someone would rather I stream my data from HTC's cloud on Sprint's ****ty 3g network? Good luck with that.

Android is about choices and customization. I would prefer they give me a microsd slot AND access to their stupid cloud service. Then I'll continue to make the smart choice and not rely on the cloud for anything I consider important. By not giving me a choice, they have essentially already made my choice for me.