yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Sensation] Skipjacks:
I like go keyboard. I never tested a bunch of others, but i love go keyboard. (So i never felt a need to try others)

Its customizable in both the look and design. Its worth a try.

Sent from a rebel ship by storing the message in an R2 unit. (Help me, XDA. You're my only hope)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Android Development] reinbeau:
Additional information

From this post

Entropy replies: Possible - With the Siyah 3.1rc6 fiasco, some people had situations where just one or two partitions became hosed up (usually /data)

It could be possible that some devices might only have a few damaged sectors in the eMMC - but I haven't seen confirmed reports of this yet. It has always been my suspicion that deleting large files on affected kernels could be dangerous - but I'm not sure about this.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Android Development] Entropy512:
Mod note: I copied this post here from its original thread as it contains pertinent information.

Additional information: I've seen at least one report of someone's device dying after a wipe in stock recovery, and one report of someone's device dying by doing a factory reset in Settings.

Which confirms everything you just said.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Android Development] garwynn:
Latest from Android Team

Well, it's been some time but thankfully Mr. Sumrall from Android did get back to us on our questions. I think the community will find that this was worth the wait.

Issue: fwrev not set properly.

As we suspected the bugfix is not in our build. (The patch applies this unconditionally.)

Question: Revision didn't match the fix

(Emphasis mine in red as it discusses the superbrick issue.)

Question: Why the /data partition?

Question: Why JTAG won't work?

Question: Can a corrupted file system be repaired (on the eMMC)?

So, while the fix doesn't apply to us at the moment, we've been given a great insight into the superbrick issue as well as information that a fix is already developed (hopefully we'll see it released!). The bug likely applies to us and assuming the fix for the 0x19 firmware is given then it would apply to our devices.

On a lighter note, I wanted to include his close:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Android Development] Entropy512:
BOOYA! (unfortunately, my quote of your post likely doesn't include Mr. Sumrall's comments)

So, in short - the AOSP patch in 4.0.4 is not relevant to our devices, HOWEVER:

There is a known issue that does affect our devices.

A bug with the ERASE command is EXACTLY what one would expect to cause this kind of behavior.

The remaining question is:

Gingerbread kernels have MMC_CAP_ERASE enabled for the MMC driver- why don't they cause problems, unless there's something somewhere else that prevents the ERASE function from being used even though the controller supports it?

This also explains why I9100 update4 is safe - one of the major differences between I9100 update4 and SHW-M250* sources is that MMC_CAP_ERASE is enabled in the SHW-M250* sources and not in I9100 update4.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Android Development] reinbeau:
This post on the portal is a very informative read. The take away quote for me:
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
So I have been an xda member since long before the android craze took root, or even before the icrap products were aired, back in the days when the good old winmo or symbian was the only platform of choice for enthusiasts and geeks like us. Those days are sadly the past now, and most of the good folks who were driving the growth of the winmo platforms have now migrated to android, or even ios.

I'm finally taking the jump too and have decided to tinker around with android, thus my dusting off of this account and bringing it back to life from lurker status. :) I've already purchased a xoom and an iconia a500 recently and am now looking to purchase a third tablet. :) I know, that sounds a little crazy, buying three tablets on the trot, but they're all going to go around among either family or family after I'm done playing with them. Since I've run my cash well dry by now, as you might as well have guessed, this is going to be my last tech purchase for a while, and probably might also be the tablet that gets left over to me in the end after the others are set up and sent to their new homes as presents as this will be the cheapest yet.

There, I've laid out the whole story. Now for the nagging question, is the nook color still worth the money? I had set my mind on the purchase and was getting down to the exploring options part when I noticed craigslist showing kindle fires going consistently for as much or as the nook colors or even less than that. And that has got me torn. I really badly wanted to buy another nook device, this will be me second after the nook simple touch, which I have yet to receive. However, I am also a performance and a bang for buck junkie, and I am also likely to end up staying with for the long haul. So I want something robust enough ot last me a couple of years from now atleast. Now with the fire sometimes going even cheaper than the nook, is the color still a good buy, and should I take the plunge on this, or that?

I really havent found a recent comparison between the two, especially if they're competing for my dollars at the same price point, to help me decide which one ot go with. The lack of a micro sd is the real killer in fire, the lack of dual core and a modern, higher performing soc in the nook color. I'll be buying either as a potential primary device and will be tinkering with both, meaning rooting, and installing custom roms, so I couldnt care less for what amazon tries forcing down my throat. And I will definitely be buying second hand, probably off craigslist, to save what little I can of my last bits of remaining money and hopefully buy a radeon 7850.

So there, thats my dillema, all put out in fornt of you folks. The question has been bothering me for days, and no amount of searching has managed to help me, and thus I have ended up here, resorting to the good old xda and its pool of immense resources. :)

Also, should I post this same question on the kindle fire threads too, to get the other side of the picture? Any help would be appreciated. :)

--Werentuckl
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] J515OP:
Nook Color is definitely still worth it* You can get them used or refurb and the prices come down to around $100.

*It really depends on what you want it for though. It would be more appropriate to compare a Nook Tablet to a Kindle Fire. But the Color is really the ultimate tinker's device. Great developer community and practically unbrickable. With CM7 and CM9 you get great performance numbers for the hardware and tons of bang for the buck.

Nook Tablet is also a good device but it is going to cost more which brings other possible tablets into consideration. Even though B&N wasn't as nice making the NT as open as the NC it is still a great device and the developer support is growing. It is nearly as good for tinkering as the NC at this point.

If you want a device for email, light gaming, web surfing, videos and tinkering as well as a great reading device the Nook Color is about the best bang for the buck you can get.

JP
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nick N:
I agree. Still a lot of bang for the buck, especially in the $100 range. My coworker always brings me ads from here and there advertising Android 2.0 tablets for $88, this one beats them every time for just a few dollars more.

I used to run Android 1.5 off the SD card using haret on Windows 6.0 (HTC Touch). I miss those days.

After Modding 6 or 7 Nook Colors for family, friends, and coworkers today I decided to pick one up from Cowboom for $100. My daughter has a HTC Flyer and Wife has an iPad 1. I really have no use for one, but I like to tinker from an alpha/beta tester standpoint, and I figure I could at least get my money back when I get bored with it.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
All good points actually, and the reminder about android on winmo reminds me of my cousin, he still runs gingerbread of his hd 2. Good stuff. :)

However, what actually has me torn is seeing both the fire and the nook color going for the same prices. They're both hitting close to hundred on pre-owned units off craigslist. So I can't really decide which would be the better choice for the same price. :(

And the nook color was my first choice, the merits of rootability and the vibrant community had me won over. And then I saw the fire going for the same price for twice the processor, and now I don't know which way to lean. :(
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MISRy:
The Fire doesn't have an SD card slot. Total deal breaker.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iolinux333:
my nook essentially hard bricked without warning, just out of warranty. beyond that it was just too slow IMO for me - laggy video was my main issue. my RAZR is so nice for playing video i no longer can stand slow processor Android devices. my next tablet is probably the Samsung galaxy tab 2 for $250, dual core, GPS, camera, compass, microphone... all the stuff that is missing in the NC. i think you should save your money and put it towards something less limited
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djd338:
The reply above is right on. Personally, I would not buy another Nook in todays market. I have a Nook Tablet too (both were gifts). The Nook was great when I was learning to flash roms, etc because it is literally unbrickable.

What I really HATE is B&N and TI putting all the effort to lock the OS down. If it were not for the great devs here the Nook sales would have stalled long ago.

I for one will never buy another product which has such an anally locked boot loader and OS. The Nexus Tablet is right around the corner.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MISRy:
You should have asked here about the issue you were having with laggy video. I watch .avi's every day at lunch, Grimm, Walking Dead, etc., keep Hitchhikers Guide on it as a matter of principal and keep a few Pinky and the Brain's as baby sitting tools. I use MoBo player and software decode everything. Smooth as glass. The "Server Room Drive-In" is famous.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topikamew:
Ok, here's my 2 cents. As I only own NC, I'll comment only on it.

The nook color is a good device- for old technology. Ok, so the DEV team for NC is fantastic, porting ICS over, which has completely revamped how I see/use the NC now. It's awesome, plays videos, works smoothly. Everything is running clean from Eyeball's nightly.

However, as from your situation, you're looking to keep this device for a while. While the software side (able to crack BN, root, and run android) is fun to tinker with and has good support, the hardware is just not going to be good enough for these days' technology. There are a lot of apps that just needs more power than what the NC has.

So, if you're just buying to tinker and browse the internet on the go, NC is fine. But if u wanna do anything heavy, wait a few more months until some of the newer gen android tablets are priced lower in the market.

Btw, the fire without SD? deal breaker.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
Okay, so I've been following this thread, and frankly, it hasnt made my choice any easier. :( I've gotten two posts against the nc, every post against the fire thanks to its lack of an sd slot, and plenty of others cautioning me against the nc because its dated. :'(

Now what do I do? And guys, even though I will be keeping this device for good, lets not forget that I'm under money constraints, I go any higher and I wont be able to buy my gpu. Plus, waiting is also not an option, I have until the end of this month to complete all my purchases, since I'm getting all this through a family member coming back from the states. :(

--Werentuckl
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bcvictory:
Wait for google's nexus tablet,
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MISRy:
I fail to see a problem. You say you are a tinkerer. The unbrickable nature of the NC, (yes someone said they bricked it a while back but they also said they couldn't play videos either, do the math), makes it a no-brainer. Couple that with the fact that you can get them for between $100 and $150 all day long and you are golden.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nookd:
I am actually satisfied with my nook color use it more than my ipad 2, feel that the ipad is big for all day use
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FloydF:
Given the lack of information on the Google tablet, I would go with either the Nook Color or Nook Tablet. Given limited cash, obviously the nook color. I have a nook color and nook Simple Touch. I love the nook color, sure it doesn't have everything I want, but nothing does. If you are worried about it being dated, you will never buy anything. Everything is dated by the time it gets to market. The biggest problem I have is everything seems to be designed for something else. All the roms seem to be made more for phones than tablets, even my windows 7 notebook came from HP with ta

blet services installed and running on a notebook that doesn't have the hardware to use the services. I am more

worried about the Microsoft/BN deal. Perhaps it will mean more support for windows products in Android, more likely like the Kindle Fire, the next nook will not have a SD slot and will be designed to push people to Microsoft's online services. Perhaps even a nook running windows...

Microsoft always has found creative ways to kill great products... But from what I see, the Nook is by far the best for the money.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
I'd agree with Floyd, the google tablet wont be launching until after I am unable to purchase anymore.

So, I'm leaning just a little more towards the nook now than I was before, and I have found a couple of other options to throw in the mix for considering as well. I just found the iconia a100 going for 190, a little under 200 after taxes, at the acer ebay store. And though the fact that the thing has little to no dev support or any roms for that matter, and has abysmal battery life, the thing is still very feature rich. Should I be even be looking towards it or not? Sans custom rom loading goodness and crap battery, its very good bang for buck, no?

Damn, this is so frustrating! This is why spending the last bits of your money is always so difficult. I had no such problems buying either of the last two tablets or the wacoms. :'(

And MisRy, everything is more expensive in ny, thats where the problem initialyl started from, the nc and the fire playing in the same price brackets. :( Though, any ideas about any decent deals or devices solidly under 200, new, or refurbed, or even craigslisted for nyc, would be welcome. :)

--Werentuckl
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MISRy:
Nook Color refurbished, http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/cert-pre-owned-nook-color-barnes-noble/1100666155 $135 shipped. My boss got his wife's in 4 business days via UPS.

Brand new from Sears with in store pickup for $150, http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05725930000P?aff=Y&cj=true&sid=I0084400010000100600

Sent from the Center of My Mind
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmccmack:
I would say yes, depending on the price. Got mine in Feb '11 and I've worked the crap out of it. I still don't see any other 7 inch tablet in the sub $200 range as flexable as the nook. The color with CM7 RC2 hits the sweet spot for me. Of course: YMMV.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] owlchemist:
Kind of in this dilemma as well. Has anyone had trouble running programs from the play market(3d games, comic apps, drawing apps)? I picked up a NC for 125 a week ago and triple booted without a hitch. It just seemed kind of slow to me, but then again I didn't do too much tweaking. I already returned it but might get it again. Awaiting the Nexus tablet, but would like something to hold me over til then. Any recommendations?
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deboyz1014:
I wouldn't pay 150 for NC, maybe 100 nowaday since the nook tablet is going for 200.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snoshrk:
+1 for the Nook Color

I got mine August of last year for ~$170 from B&N refurbed. It replaced my beloved Nokia N800. Now that they are down around $100, I'd have to say it is a slam dunk, if nothing else for the amazing community and Devs (same thing that kept the N800 going for so long ;) ) .

CM7 & Overclocked to 1200 make the NC do everything I need it to do: eBooks:p, Videos (when properly encoded), Netflix, Games, PIM (Cal,Contacts etc), Notes, light surfing, etc.

I've played with ICS on the NC a couple of times and it looks to add even more life into the NC. The only thing holding me back from making ICS my daily driver is the lack of HW video acceleration (ie Netflix).

I guess it comes down to what you plan on using it for and if you are ok with the limitations of the (mostly outdated) hardware.

PS the screen is (IMHO) beautiful ! :eek:

Sno
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reeg420:
Good thread. Helped me make up my mind a little.

I too am in a similar situation. With B&N selling the color for $150 and the tablet for $200 I am planning on getting one or the other for my mom for mothers day. Shed be more using it for light web browsing, the occassional app. I mostly want it for her so she can use it for recipes in the kitchen.

From my limited knowledge I picked up here and there, and please correct me if Im wrong, both the color and tablet have to be flashed to act like a real android tablet. Right? Ability to browse the android market, etc.(Dont think its called that anymore though, me personally Im a WP guy)

My next question is which one would be less of a hassle for her. For instance when she turns it on I just want it to load up like normal, no extra screens or anything. If Im making myself clear.

I will be making this purchase tomorrow so I have time to flash it and get it good for her.

Thanks.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] J515OP:
reeg, out of the box the Nooks will be plenty useable for email, web and reading. They are limited to B&N app store apps though. To make it a true tablet you do need to do a little work. It shouldn't take more that a few minutes to turn it into a real tablet though.

At that point you have a lot of options for making a very simply home screen so that there is no hassle for her. You can have the whole thing setup with apps, a simple home screen and "I love mom" wall paper in less than an hour.

One big drawback about the Nook is no front facing camera if you wanted to use it for video chatting.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MISRy:
I would go with the Color if for no other reason but the "technology challenged" probably won't notice anything out of place about it. You might want to let her have a chance to use it stock but if you want to go the Android route take a look through the link in my sig. Keep in mind that method will overwrite the stock ROM so be sure to backup where it says to backup. And if you *do* go that route might I suggest you go to mrg666's thread, (link is there), near the end and look for the 05062012 build. While it's not "official" at this moment, (that's why I haven't linked it), it's looking very, *very* sweet.

Edit: The latest greatest Kang that incorporates this is officially 05092012 and is linked in the sig post.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
Okay, so I'm officially settled on the fire vs nook color debate after I looked into how easy setting up usb host was, I put alot of weight on that. :) Now I just have to try and weigh it out against the temptation to go completely broke for the next many many months by not buying another full fledged tablet. :'(

Have my eyes on craigslist for both a nook color and another iconia a500, lets see if I can get a sub hundred or hundred price on the nook or a near 200 price on the iconia. :) I just hope I don't impulse buy both. :'(

And snoshrk, I'm totally digging the signature with your list of retired devices. Though honestly speaking, if it were me, I would not retire the N800 so soon, heck I'd even keep the T3 in regular use. :D If you lived any closer, I'd bugger you and beg you until you wouldnt give them all away to me. :P

--Werentuckl
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snoshrk:
+1 to MISRy's suggestion of the MiRaGe Kang version of CM7...

Yeah I would have liked to have kept the N800...but I had to buy an uSD card for the NC, so it went to ebay... :( The T3 suffered the same fate to let my buy the N800... The only "retired" device I have left is the Visor Edge...

Sno
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reeg420:
Thanks for the replies and I'll follow the link in your signature. Looks pretty quick and easy.

I'm gonna pick one up at Barnes and noble on my way home from work today and get it started.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MISRy:
I wouldn't be being cautious if I didn't remind you Color, not Tablet... :o
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Android311:
Still worth it, I love my nook color and will be holding on to it for a LONG time :)
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
Not sure if anyone is still following this thread or not but I'm waiting for my money issues to get sorted out before I pull the trigger on a device.

And if anyone is interested, I eventually decided to go the nook road, provided another tablet doesn't come blocking that path. I was initially tempted by a viewsonic g-tab as well soon after I decided against the fire, but reviews about the device's screen caused me to turn away again, plus it was 50 buck premium.

Hoping to find a transformer TF300 at 300, or I'm sold to the nook, especially now that the prices are finally settling down at or very near the $100 dollar mark, even in nyc. :)

I'll keep you folks updated, especially once I finally get another device. And ofcourse, all the comparisons will follow after that too. :D Especially about my take on whether or not the nook is worth it, after purchasing it! :D

More views from people on both sides of the fence are still welcome ofcourse, nothing is set in stone - especially not now when I'm still sorting out my money issues. So yes, I still want to hear opinions, and reasons why people went with the nook. :)

Also, thread jackers are also welcome, as long as their in a similar dilemma as me. :)

--Werentuckl
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snoshrk:
And now to muddy the waters a little....

Nook Tablet $150 (new) via CNET's Cheapskate.

Too many choices....
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Werentuckl:
Way to go snoshrk, you just beat me to that post mate. :)

And talk about muddying waters. :( Also, I'd like to ask the good folks here whether if given the choice b/w the color and tablet, what would you people go with? Thats a pretty important question since I still havent been able to figure out the bluetooth vs no bluetooth weight of the argument. The tablet has no bt, that's already been determined, there's also no surety if it'll ever see usbhost or not. :'( So there, again, back to square one folks, help me out in deciding again. :P

Also snoshrk, do you still ahve all of your visor's springboard expansion cards? Because if yes, I'm totally drolling over it! :D

--Werentuckl
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snoshrk:
There were springboard expansion cards...???? Seriously, the only one I really wanted was the SD expansion slot and it never seemed to materialize.

Bluetooth...kinda depends on if/what you already have...i.e.: BT Keyboard?, etc.

I have had success pairing my NC with a TomTom BT GPS receiver, but not with the Stowaway Keyboard I had (sold with the N800) although I didn't try too hard either.

Sno
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flash Man:
I love my NC and I also paid around $100 for it. Everything seems to work great for me running Kangs CM9 nightlies. My only gripe with the NC is that the screen is not very responsive but it has only effected me with some hardcore games. But again for the price it cant be beat. I was even able to add a USB keyboard case so I can write and takes notes on the go.