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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] adario73:
This is the definitive way to leave the ssssslow java and go to the "performer" C#!

I know a number of people who don't buy any Android phone because thay know very well that it is "slow" inside.

Java and its VM cannot compete with the speedness of windows phone 7, that is written in C#.

When i look at my friend's wp7 with a 1GHz processor i can't believe how quick it is, compared to ANY android phone.

I hope that this project will have a bright future.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hotweiss:
Interesting. I didn't know that Java was something that was slowing down Android.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LifeBringer:
Java slows down everything. It's way too high level a language for what it wants to accomplish to do. I suspect Google takes to closely with it's Stanford roots. Stanford teaches java in intro to computer science classes. Whereas, in unis like MIT one would start with python then C.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] co2gaz:
If it is slow, the problem is not comming from java and c# is not better or worst, the two languages are very similar. The diference is between the VMs Dalvik and Mono. Dalvik, which run java code, is not yet enougth mature :rolleyes:.

I confirm, wp7 runs realy faster than Ics. I had a htc mozart with 1ghz and it was as fast as my current Note with it's dual core 1.4 :(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] pboesboes:
WP7 is a much more lightweight OS, so of course it is faster. Java certainly isn't helping, though... :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] lucid:
Java ain't slow

MIght be some confusion, but how come the biggest international

market makers (stocktraders) use Java code to actually make the transactions with the stock exchange ?

I've been told that java is the fastest code out there to handle those tasks.

They are trying to gain microseconds, not milliseconds.

I will ask for some more info about it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SeanX:
Both C# and Java compile down to a bytecode which runs inside a virtual machine (VM). The speed at the code runs is dependant on the speed of the VM. The Dalvik VM used by android is completely different to the Java VM used in desktop machines and has different performance characteristics. I wouldn't be suprised to find the Mono VM quite a bit faster, it's much more mature.

Java is certainly not the fastest programming language out there, C# is roughly the same speed while natively compiled languages such as C, C++, Delphi etc are typically 50% - 100% faster.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] reinbeau:
Thread moved to General

This is not development yet.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] OrionBG:
Please move it back to development!

The developers (and most of the users) don't go to the General section. This have been for years in every device forum here on XDA! I myself used the General section only one or two times and that was before I bought the Note just to see what the people think of it. There is almost no useful info there and this thread have some potential! There it will be forgotten...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] pboesboes:
I don't know why they chose Java specifically, but I imagine the Java VM those stock traders use are much faster than Google's Dalvik.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Zamboney:
The stock brokers only use Java for some clients - I promise you their servers and back end doesn't run Java!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bclark:
I guess we'll need you to bump it every few days forever to keep it alive...until some actual work is created.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] XpLoDWilD:
I do go more often in General than Development...

That being said, I still wish there was a fully native Android experience. All apps written in C/C++, cross-compiled directly for ARM, and BANG : 5000x faster.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] prohexa:
Just my thought too. I've been working professionally as a software developer for almost 15 years, and I'd definitely pick something else than Java for anything performance critical. Back in the days we used to joke that if you're a fast typer, you can run your Java app while coding it. :D

Anyhow, I'd be thrilled to see more C# support for Android - it's just so much more comfortable to code. In hindsight I think Microsoft clearly did the right thing to ditch backwards compatibility for the new and improved features such as generics.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] awesome-member:
Lets get manufacturer release data sheet and then lets start coding in assembly :D will blow everything out of water (if you can write a 500 line of code for your hello world program:rolleyes: ) ,

Java and c# are very different language,Java is slower but its getting faster, although I'd love to see android in c#.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] derrick_:
Definitely want to see this fine, would run it in a heartbeat
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] pboesboes:
Java is getting faster, Dalvik isn't. :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazzi76:
Android Audio Latency

Will this potentially improve Androids audio latency issue?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hagba:
Actually a big time discussion was taking place,which sometimes went out of proportion:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/04/Xamarin-XobotOS-ports-Android-to-C-Sharp/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Zamboney:
Phuck, I really want this! Dalvik just sucks huge ass.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mdrjr:
Here's a fun thing, back in time java JVM (aka. Sun JVM) was slow as hell, can't deny that. With time JVM got better and better even now with a JIT.

Android JVM is called Dalvik, google's own "creation"(Lawsuit pending about that).

Dalvik is focused on mobile development, a Standard JVM will startup with 1GB of ram, When a Android App starts without any arguments its starts with 24MB!

Dalviks performance is tremendous and starting from 2.1 or 2.2 I can't remember Dalvik does have a JIT.

You can't compare a FREE JVM with a paid one (C#). You should try JRockit JVM. Its performance is outstanding. Banks and Stocktrades DO USE JAVA on their backends, mostly running over JRockit.

JIT == Just in Time compiler. What it does is when you have a code that cosumes too much resource, it takes that piece of java code and create assembly code of it. So that piece of code is running as native code. Such as C and other native languages.

So, Its not Java/Dalvik that is holding android performance back. Me as a 15+ years developer don't see a problem with Android performance. I think its very responsive. And having that great core that it has (Linux Kernel) behind it. Makes a very powerful multi-thread OS.

I even dare to prove you that your computer standard JVM is sometimes faster on heavy math calcs them pure C.

I've just posted on my Blog (www.mdrjr.net) the Fibonacci sequence in C and in Java. try it out and let me know what you find.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MAGPC:
Any news?!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] willstay:
Java is just the language as is C#. Google needs to optimize the VM or make an engine to convert bytecode to machinecode or something like that.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Zamboney:
No it doesn't as it's obvious just changing to c# increases performance 30%+
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Al4ric:
So I guess it won't happen any time soon? It is a shame.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] evan rythem:
Couldn't wait to have a peak on this project....never knew that replacing java with C# could make such differences.....:what:

Sent from my GT-N7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] stdiopt:
android its not pure java, it ships with its own virtual machine, it only uses java bytecode due to availability of existing third party software, and it converts to low overhead and small footprint dalvik bytecode.. C# is in fact similar to java in many ways, i've done my own benchmarks.. and besides that android does not only rely only on 'java' there is native code running, the vm part is basicly to perform SO/framework calls, not defending the plataform itself like a fan (java vs c# etc.etc.), but claiming that android uses JAVA merely as a language and not a plataform

---------- Post added at 06:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 PM ----------

Not sure if plataform was slow, or we had few processing resources, but since i recall i remember java being slow indeed.. U sir are right, android has JIT afaik since 2.3+.. i read something about chopiness on android vs IOS cause android used to perform animations in the gui thread as IOS does on background thread, saw some interesting video explaining it.. but android its growing in performance such as hardware capabilities.
[HTC Sensation] monkor:
I just switched from ARHD to Elegancia w/ Sense 4.0 and its actually awesome aside from this absolutely horrendous looking color scheme. The blue color cartoonish icons (wifi symbol from BlackBerry) just looks incredibly cheesy. Is there any way I can switch it back to a less ridiculous look? I definitely want to keep using it because its way better aligned with ICS, but not with these colors...

Note: I am in no way trying to hate on the devs they did an amazing job on this ROM. Imo its the best yet. I just wanna change the colors...
[HTC EVO 3D] taylor308:
I downgraded hboot from 1.50 to 1.40 successful but my bootloader doesn't say locked or unlocked. And it won't let me down grade my software from 2.17 to 1.13, anybody have any thoughts?
[HTC EVO 3D] Astrikz:
You need to run the 1.13 RUU
[HTC EVO 3D] mpgrimm2:
Closeone has a full step by step in his downgrade tool thread that will help, & u can reference exactly where ur stuck.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovely39:
hi XDA,

i Am using sonyericsson xperia pro (mk16i) i want to root it,

someone pls tell me will i get offcial ICS update using Sony PC Companion after getting rooted.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Riyal:
Root only? Yes
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zygzoo:
if you only root your phone, without unlock your bootloader, you can use pcc or update service to repair/update fw.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] king-iyokan:
Ya sure. BTW anyone knows when ICS update is rolling out for pro.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovely39:
not able to root

friends this the info of my phone software,

i am not able to root this, with "Xperia 2011 Easy Rooting Toolkit [v4.0](zergRush Exploit"

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1320350
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] king-iyokan:
Yea you can't root build .62 using the zergrush or super click method. To do that you need to downgrade to. 42 or unlock your bootloader.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovely39:
MK16i_4.0.2.A.0.58_(1249-8108).ftf

someone pls upload MK16i_4.0.2.A.0.58_(1249-8108).ftf (european version)

i can't find any working link.

not able to reply here

so i m requesting here. thanks
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] king-iyokan:
I have one. I'll upload and tell you.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thtanaka:
Could you post the file here? I need it too, because the links from software topic are down.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovely39:
thanks

thanks friend, pls try to upload soon, i really need it.

thanks for support
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] king-iyokan:
Bro you'll need to wait till 10th. M on tour. Will be home on 10th
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] msedek:
Question 1: if I buy an app, lets say tasker, and then i want to install that app to my girlfriends phone.. Would it be enough to restore the App from my titanium copy? Or will it say her phone does not have the license? Is this possible and legal or i gotta buy another app? Seems unfair if I have to...

Also even if not possible for my gf to get the App will it be possible for me to install it in my tablet?.. Using the same google account or could I use another account? Need to clear out this

Question 2: little tutorial for tasker?, i want to do something, im from south América meaning my phone and keyboard (i use swiftkey x pro) are in spanish, but in xda for example i only write in english.. And its annoying the typo corrector since the keyboard its in spanish and every word i type its redlined.. So i Wonder if with tasker i could do something like change swiftkey lenguage to english when i open xda and when i close it, keyboard goes back to spanish
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Definitely

not

legal to just pull the .apk and move it to another phone that didn't buy it. Obviously there are shades of grey here (it's just your GF's phone) but technically you shouldn't be doing this.

If you use the same GMail account and use that as the "Play Store" account you're signed into on both phones, then you should be able to re-download it on either device once it's purchased. This would work best if you each have your own GMail account for personal use, then a "shared" GMail account for app purchases. Otherwise, you'll each have access to the other's emails, contacts, etc..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] msedek:
Got ya
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] utcu:
In reference to question 1.

I had tried installing bionic bootstrap on my girl's bionic after purchasing it on mine. I added my account to her phone and installed it successfully. Used it once when rooting her phone but once my account was no longer the main one being used it disappeared from her apps. As for using it on another device that is yours, that'll work just fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] msedek:
I see but if I create a play store ONLY account i think the problem its solved.. Wich leads me to another question..

Lets say i dont want to use my current Gmail account and want to move all my apps and contacts to another account

How can i do this?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Haven't heard about how to do this...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
Your apps are tied to your Gmail account, plain and simple. You can have 5 phones running all with your same Gmail account and have all your apps on each.

But you can't give paid apps to other accounts. And I don't think there is a way to switch accounts that I've ever heard.

Sure you can just pull the apk and give it to someone, hacking, but not officially.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] msedek:
Ok so thats clear now... But no1 is answering my second question about tasker :S
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] txmade:
What is the best way to clean the white one x? I have tried water on a paper towel?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] MattMJB0188:
Pick up some of those electron wipes Wal-Mart has a lint free cloth and it will look great.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] txmade:
That will clean the back? I had a few smudges from being in my pocket and being outside.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] MattMJB0188:
Yes. It will clean the entire phone beautifully. Try them out.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gordongartrell:
I clean my phone with those Lysol disinfection wipes everyday. Make sure that you ring out as much liquid as possible from the wipe first. Looks good as new.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] The_Zodiac:
Take a bath with it of course.

(I'd probably just keep it in a case lf your worried about it)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Bigjim1488:
How does it get dirty so fast? I had a white iphone and it stayed pretty clean without much maintenance! Guess I will get a black HOX. +1 for the walmart wipes tho
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
3hrs at work and the back of my white 1x is already grungy. I hope it cleans easily?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Where do you guys work?? hahah

Close two days without a case and my white HOX is pristine, I just got a case though.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] 05GT:
Mr. Clean Magic Eraser
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] The_Zodiac:
This is exactly what I said when people were having a white vs grey discussion

Sent rom my SGH-I997 using xda premium
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I should have bought the gray one. I have a kid who likes to use my phone in a restaurant to play games. I see it getting dirty easily.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
Dishwasher.

Or the Mr. Clean Magic eraser.

Also the white one stays a bit more clean than the gray one. Fingerprints / smudges don't show up as much
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
I was wiping my desk down with a cotton rag, and Windex. (glass desk) So I used it on the One X. Perfect.

Still kinda weak sauce how easily the back of this thing sucks up grime... but at least it wiped right off?

I really want to put Ghost-Armor on it, but they don't yet offer anything.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Fataldesain:
OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy or any fanboy for that matter I love tech and gadgets. Second it is a sad day for many people like me because I am tied to sprint for life probably mainly because of price and unlimited data. (That's not the sad part). So with that said I am tied to their phones and right now with the current phones and android it is a sad cluster f$%#. ICS is great just on its own but Sammy and HTC don't care. Updates come like whenever, maybe 8 months later to a year maybe never.

All future phones on sprint are a letdown at this point sg3, evo one, galaxy nexus is great but no lte. Android is just a hot mess I don't even know the point of pure Google of only 1 percent actually have it.

Apple is in perfect position because if the iPhone 5 is bigger and beautiful and powerful its a wrap. Once lte is up I can't find any reason to stay with Android or anything other. Google paved the way for apple to crush them because they have no standards. I have used android pretty intensely and its just all over the place. A bigger retina better battery iPhone will be a killer. And who knows what IOS 6 will be.

I know many of you will flame but if you can't understand at least one point then you are blind. I'm not bashing Android I love ics and wish I had it running perfect on my phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Fataldesain:
Dude I typed it on my phone maybe its not your first language.

Stop being such a fanboy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] geek wana-b:
if you are running behind an the newest os by android then your an ass .all i care about is if the phone does what i want when i want it to! as for lte buy a laptop if you need to be online that much and you want it fast. dont get sucked in by lte craze,tes its fast btut if you spend that much time on your phones internet YOU NEED A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] austin420:
although i just skimmed over it, your typing and language look fine to me. i dont know what that other dude is talking about.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jayharper08:
How bout we have at least one thread that doesn't resort to arguing and name calling? Arguing is going to happen, I understand that, but try doing it in an adult manner.

If not, I can shut this one down also.

---Jay--- From the CM9 powered E4GT
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] beserker15:
I don't quite see how android is a mess? Just because Samsung has touchwiz and HTC has Sense? You do realize that both companies do provide updates to their phones right? Yes, I realize the move from Froyo -> Gingerbread -> ICS isn't fast...but that's copmarable to IOS 3 -> 4 -> 5 (which is also about once a year). The minor updates in betweens are generally fixes for things, and a lot have been purely to patch exploits by jailbreakers which further locks the phone down. Officially our phones have recieved 2 updates, and we're waiting on the official 3rd to move to ICS.

The new iPhone will be a hit...because it is an iPhone, simple as that. The bigger size will attract some more people, but seeing how the 4S was a lackluster upgrade and it was Apple's top selling phone, crushing any android phone's sale. This next one will do the same. Personally, and I'm guessing for many on XDA who enjoy modding the crap out of their phones, iPhones aren't really an option...especially the way it is now making jailbreak exploits even harder to come by.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Lets all have a drink
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Damn, people are upset since the specs were released! Part that caught my eye is "no LTE." I thought the GNex was the first phone that had it?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
I stopped at " OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy..."
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
Me too!!! :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] batting1000:
Lol'd.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Fataldesain:
You don't see how android is a mess. First what is android to most people you will get a 100 different answers.

Ics has on screen buttons really not on Sammy and HTC phones.

How many versions of Android are there running now on phones.

Somebody makes a game or app works/tested on some phones not working for many but you can still buy it even though it doesn't work.

I could go on
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Fataldesain:
Well because if speak any truth that's anti android we all know how that ends up. I guess some of you are happy about the eco one and sg3 I thought they were both a letdown
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Overstew:
I think you're passing judgement on them before giving them a try. Their specs have been released, but you haven't held onto them yet. I don't think the next iPhone will be a mind blower either, it'll probably be similar to the specifications of the EVO LTE or SGSIII.

The SGS2 is definitely my kind of phone, the only thing I'll need is LTE when it comes to my area. We'll see how it goes.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] morbidrealities:
Please dont
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 88cavalierz24:
my car uses gas but i can still buy diesel........people have pc's and buy games that they cant play on it because of hardware issues, just like phones, its YOUR responsibility to do a little research on if something can/will/properly run on your device.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jayharper08:
I'm going to go ahead and shut this one down. Seems like a troll thread to me.

There is a place in the android general section that would better suit this discussion.

---Jay--- From the CM9 powered E4GT
[HTC EVO 3D] cautious911:
Nice I see
[HTC EVO 3D] ruthlessnature:
I think I'm going to try to flash vipers the same way.
[HTC EVO 3D] ruthlessnature:
works great
[Verizon Droid Charge] psalm462:
I was using eclipse and everything was running fine. I then decided to try the newest OTA and that is when it started going downhill. I have tied, rooted/debloated, Tweak 2.0 and I have even went back stock. All of the roms have my camera working like crap. It will either say camera failed or it will load really slow and freeze. I will either have to reboot or hit the back button depending on how bad it freezes.

I have done Odin and cwm on both of the roms and even tried the PBJ kernel. The new kernel was fast as lightning for about 20 mins and after playing with camera for a bit, it started to slow down and eventually did what the OTA kernal did with Tweak and debloated. What am I missing or is it time for a new phone. Or is it something simple as the SD card? I am calling verizon tomorrow to see what they can do.
[Verizon Droid Charge] kintwofan:
Try camera ics from the market. Much better and faster, maybe it well help
[Verizon Droid Charge] psalm462:
I am thinking it has something to do with the flash. I tried downloading the flashlight app and it completely locked up the phone when I turned it on. How would the flash being throwing the phone that off?

I just tried the ICS from the market and it locked up the phone also.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xfinrodx:
Let's try to keep the Development forum at least a LITTLE bit clean... :rolleyes:

Here, I'll start: I'm coming from an Atrix. I've been away from HTC for a long time and I'm trying to get ADB running on my computer. What are folks using for USB drivers with the AT&T One X?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pirateghost:
Install HTC sync and kill the sync service.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] xfinrodx:
I ran the Sync installer, but bailed when it asked me to disable the virus scanner to install Sync. I noticed it had already installed the drivers and confirmed with an adb devices. Got the drivers without Sync! :D
[HTC Rezound] fjl307:
I've had my Rezound since November and now I'm starting to have issues with whining audio. Anybody else experience it sometime after buying the phone?