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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tom_m:
Uh, because they are the "higher-ups" ... They have zero technical knowledge. They run the business and think their decisions are best for the business. I see it all the time. It's corporate BS. People get jobs because of WHO they know not WHAT they know... That said, even if they can run a business well, it doesn't mean that they understand the implications of what they did here.

Essentially. They're idiots and it shouldn't boggle your mind. Ok fine, it boggles my mind too. Still. Despite seeing stuff like this for years (I'm a developer and even when I directly warn people about certain issues, they still don't listen because they think they know better...despite that they actually hired and pay me for my expertise). It's extremely frustrating and also funny. I imagine it'll take another 20-30 years before all (most of/enough of) the idiots work their way out of the tech industry.

I mean, in all honesty...It's not their fault they didn't grow up with this tech...But hell, you'd think they'd want to actually do something to stay on top of their jobs. Lazy. Lazy. Lazy.

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On a final note. Nothing is completely "secure" and I fully believe that if an official method is not provided, there will be an alternative way to unlock this phone. I mean I know it's possible, it's just a matter of time and interest.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] joshnichols189:
Are you serious? The rooting community is such a small portion of the overall cell phone userbase that corporate knows they can blow us off and it won't make a huge difference because 99% of people don't give a **** or even know what rooting is or what bootloaders are and will still buy the phone anyways.

They don't care about us or the "implications" of this because they don't have to and it won't make a difference. So what if a hundred people on XDA don't buy the phone because it can't be unlocked?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] designgears:
They are trying to make you pay for tethering, to bad for them I am still doing it for free anyways.. lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tom_m:
I think they are idiots about the tech they are selling. I don't think they know a lot about it. They pay underlings for that (but then don't listen to them).

True, they don't care about a small percentage of users.

True, they likely locked it because they thought it would prevent free tethering.

Here's the sad truth. As pointed out, you can tether anyway. I did it for years on Sprint for free with a completely stock EVO. No custom ROM. No root.

So they are idiots because they actually think that locking a phone will prevent people from free tethering.

Last but not least...I was told the 5GB plan included tethering with it. So WTF? While I got the 3GB plan, I think most people will get the 5GB plan because of LTE. I already see myself upgrading because now that I have a phone with a battery that lasts long enough to use up the data on top of LTE... Using the phone will be fun. I'll want the 5GB and the tethering that comes with it. So I don't think they really needed to lock the phone to prevent tethering and push people into the top tier plan because I think the LTE and this phone will do that for them anyway.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DeathmonkeyGTX:
LordCloackaN's and all the other Eurasian developers' work will not work on this One X. They use completely different SoC's. If you want to use LC's work then you'll need the Euro version with Tegra 3.

Also, this One X has a thing built in (most likely code) that phones home before allowing tethering. I don't know how easy it will be to circumvent this. I'm holding off on the One X to see if they make one with greater than 16GB of local storage (I frequently am in places where just EDGE is scarce) and to see if XDA manages to crack the One X to get me some 4ext recovery and AOKP.

Otherwise, it's good to see you in here designgears. I've never personally used your work but I think you worked on the Craptivate and there were a lot of DHD/Inspire users that liked your stuff so I do believe you are quite competent.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mehdi_s82:
This may be off topic, but are you tethering via wifi or usb? I thought wifi requires root.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Nope. Its free through ATT if you have the 5gb data plan.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] keith3b:
DesignGears - happy to see you here! I used your work on the Captivate and really appreciated everything! Will you be working on the One X or should I just return it haha.

Happy to contribute to whoever can get this thing opened up.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Root-Maniac:
Plus 1 =)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] buradd:
thats a huge bummer.. i think the S4 out performs the tegra 3, and then you add LTE and its icing on the cake.. why cant it be just like the DHD/Inspire4g =(

i still am going to buy one, its such a pretty phone, even stock :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] shark0807:
I actually upgraded from the Inspire myself. Despite locked bootloader, this phone is still a worthy upgrade. We just have to be patient.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] inktimi:
AT&T Corporate Emails

Hello -

It might be worthwhile emailing a few (most?) of the people listed on these pages for the AT&T Public Relations department:

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=1916
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sm753:
Thanks

Thanks for everyone who's added to this thread. Before this thread and the multitude of articles out there confirming, I was 100% sure I was going to pick up this phone when my upgrade eligibility comes up in July. Unless the current status quo changes I don't think I'll be getting it.

It's absolutely ridiculous, leave it to AT&T to take a beautiful piece of technological wonder and take a giant dump on it. :mad:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] judicious:
hmmmmmmm how many of you are keeping or planning to buy the one x?? i ordered mine, comes tomorrow, but been trying to decide if i want to sell it and buy the international one off ebay...

i did spam the FB wall and emailed a bunch of ATT reps...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] buradd:
i work for an at&t retailer and just bought mine on the employee hookup for $490 flat, we cant sign 2yr contracts here but we get great deals on the service every month..

i could have got the int'l version on newegg.com for like $650 after tax and shipping but the at&t version benchmarks better doesnt it? and has LTE! and $490 flat is a nice deal... this phone is SICK, definately worth having even if i have to wait TWO months for an unlock..

huge upgrade from inspire4g (and i LOVE my inspire4g)

ps; it always gets unlocked!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] h8rift:
The only thing keeping you from free tethering (natively...not counting DesignGears method) is one .APK in /system/app :-)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Spartoi:
It will get an official unlock eventually. I remember owning an HTC Vivid and the AT&T version bootloader wasn't unlockable while the international versions were. Then Christmas came can and HTC made the bootloader was unlockable. I'm guessing its an AT&T thing to lock the bootloader for some time (30 day period?).

This will likely be the same with the One X so just wait a month. :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ptesmoke:
do u still have the inspire? looking for a used one fore the wife...pm if your selling man!

back on topic ...my rogers hox should be here this week :-D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
I'm sorry if this is may be a bit offtopic, but can be One X from AT&T unlocked via an unlock code that many sites sell to use it on Simple Mobile network? I don't want to change the firmware, just unlock the sim.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
Is there any way to wifi tether non-root?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/1Yy1jb9z4TA

This method can't be detected by carriers
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
Thanks for the link but I was asking for Wifi tether, not usb tether, (for tablet use).
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.diyphonegadgets.wifihotspot&hl=en

Haven't used this one myself. The free version doesn't support WPA / WEP
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
If you have the AT&T 5gb Data plan it includes hotspot. They show 3 or 4 different 5gb data plans and they are all $50. This one has hotspot in the name.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] felang:
Look here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1639644
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
Apprently what it does is trying to turn the phone's hotspot on, because when trying to turn it on, it directed me to ATT.com or call 611 to activate hotspot.

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I know that, but I'm not giving my unlimited away to tether maybe once a month.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Didn't realize you had unlimited. Pardon me for trying to help. I'll try again though. How about pdanet from play store? Or is there something else i dont know..... :/ It uses its own client. You have to install it on your laptop or PC too. Not intended for ipads etc, just computers. You probably need it for something else though huh?

Edit: disregard. You want wireless not usb. My bad again :( i should just stop lol

Edit again. Apparently New PDAnet supports wireless tethering too.. Mo Root required.

"With over 6 million downloads and a 4.5+ user ratings in Android Market, PdaNet has become one of the top 10 Android applications of all time. At just one click, PdaNet instantly shares the Internet access of your Android phone with your computer. It does NOT require root access or hacking your phone's firmware. It works on all Android phones.

PdaNet supports both USB Tether and Bluetooth DUN. Your phone can connect to the data service, WiFi, or even through VPN and PdaNet will share it with your computer. It is capable of handling download speed of well above 35Mbps (35000kbps) over USB and is the fastest tethering software available for Android.

New! Version 3.50 is integrated with FoxFi to give you WiFi Hotspot mode support.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mehdi_s82:
I tried it today but it is blocked! that dialog asking to call 611 appears when it tries to activate the wifi hotspot feature.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
Its all good. Thanks for trying to help. I just wondered if there was any alternative for Wifi tether non-root, since usb tether cannot be done on my tablet.

I guess I'll just wait for root. :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Look back a page. I edited my post. try PDAnet. New version supports wifi looks like. I've used the USB tether on stock phones so i know that portion works. The wireless is new. WELL NEVERMIND AGAIN LOL. just saw your tablet statement. Dont think it works on a tablet, unless they've changed something. :(
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DarkDvr:
=( AT&T are a**holes.

I went for Intl version, I believe nVidia's SOCs have big future in front of them.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
You see you were of help???

Going to teh pdanet page, I was able to get the name of THAT app FoxFi. I was looking because I had read of its release, but could not get the name.

This one works!! THANKS a lot!

Edit: Celebrated too early, it apparently turns the hotspot on, but I could not connect the iPad. I need to jailbreak it and install an app from Cydia in order to use bluetooth tether.

Hopefully jailbreak for Pad or root for phone comes out soon
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pside15:
If this is the case, then why aren't any of the newer Samsung phones locked down?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nugzo:
Good Point.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
https://www.change.org/petitions/at-t-htc-let-us-unlock-the-htc-one-x-bootloader

The official petition.

PM me if there are any changes you'd like to see made.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jjbusa:
signed
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Crappyvate:
Signed
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
Samsung is carrying now a BIG name in the smartphone business. They are the largest smartphone seller in the world, surpassing even the iPhone.

ATT does not want to piss Samsung off, how bad would it look for ATT if the GS 3 (most anticipated phone this year) were to come out in every other carrier but not them? Becase of this, they cannot force Samsung's hand.

They CAN force HTC's hand because they are a smaller company, and they don't stand to loose as much. Put it this way, HTC and ATT need each other. But ATT needs Samsung more than Samsung needs ATT.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Root-Maniac:
Signed....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mgfjd:
https://www.change.org/petitions/at-t-htc-let-us-unlock-the-htc-one-x-bootloader
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pside15:
Not saying you are wrong but the LG Nitro and Thrill aren't locked down either. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I do believe that the One X will be unlocked though, just have to wait a bit like we did with the Vivid.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Sign the petition people!!!!!!!!!!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] typ44q:
Signed!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] UnknownPleasures:
Signed!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NJGSII:
Signed as well.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fielddb:
just got off the phone with a AT&T Tech specialist.. she had no clue what the locked bootloader is, or why its locked, she also didn't know much about the device... they're all noobs at AT&T. She also said that they only to pages of info on the device. Nothing about this problem
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pumpiron579:
Signed and gave them Hell
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sgb617:
Signed!!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dLo GSR:
as an Atrix owner... let me tell you that signing a petition will not do anything. name the last successful bootloader unlock petition.

someone at XDA will figure it out. i'm eager for this phone when that moment happens.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Cryosx:
No harm in trying. Same carrier, different company. Might make a difference.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] undercover:
Last successful petition? One year ago. After Sensation came with locked bootloader.

Just keep pushing it guys, with enough pressure they'll do it. Mass returns would be the best thing. Also, try to organise returns on some particular day, and announce it on their pages. Then numbers will be a lot higher and more proving the point. Good luck.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] badboydiablo:
Signed. I was an Atrix owner so I know how bad it gets without a bootloader unlock. I hope they unlock it soon I can't even return the phone since I did an exchange from a Nokia Lumia 900.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jayv81:
Worked with the vivid
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] makophoenix:
Atrix

Also coming from the Atrix here... TBH it seemed to me like the leak that had the unlockable bootloader probably came from Motorola because of the bad PR. Of course the great devs working on the Atrix had to find it but a leak that can be unlocked (but never went official) just seems fishy to me. xD
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] cmfrtblynmb:
I am an idiot for buying this phone on an impulse without knowing what locked bootloader meant.

I will return the phone tomorrow. It cost me 35 dollars but I am not going to use Android without root.

I signed the petition but we really should not buy this phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
At least wait the 30 days out.

Also when you return it, only give them the phone. The charger / cable / box / manual has some resale value.

Might as well get your 35 worth
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Artimus009:
Well...I'm not as pissed with At&t...they just lit me up with Lte...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] The_Zodiac:
wont they not charge a restocking fee if its defective?

and im guessing youd get charged more for keeping stuff
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jtwlbz:
i will also return mine if at&t is quiet about this within 30 days. i also will leave at&t.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] sliderocket22:
Only if you exchange it for the same device. Not if you return it or exchange it for something different.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tjsimmons:
See, I'm willing to wait more than my 30 day return window for either HTC to release their unlock on htcdev, or for the guys here to figure one out. This phone is so good even without having an unlocked bootloader in root that I honestly don't mind..

But I do miss Titanium Backup. That's probably what I miss the most from having root. I never did much with it other than flashing CM, but Sense 4 is pretty dang nice.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Fyi we have root at least check the dev section. :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] makophoenix:
^^^What he said.

Check the dev section xD

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1644167
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] thunder2709:
Signed the petition. As an AT&T rep I'm encouraging people to buy other phones
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
your a bad rep.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] thunder2709:
Obviously if someone has no interest in rooting i'll sell it to em all day long. The people who ask me about it, i tell them whats going on and recommend something else

EDIT: In addition im a third party retailer who sells multiple carriers. I have no inherent loyalty to AT&T
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] lessthanzach:
You're a bad speller. :p

Sent from my Supercharged and KaK'd HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] h8rift:
For all the Atrix owners (I was one)....please keep in mind that Motorola was behind it not getting unlocked...not the carrier. This one is all AT&T.

Sign petition, blow up news blogs, complain to BBB, or whatever. Just REMEMBER who the company is that caused this....not the person with their hands tied....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] joshnichols189:
It won't be available on the 6th..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kennethpenn:
Has anyone tried on a non review unit AT&T One X? Paul and I both got the error, but we both have review units.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] letshaveDEX:
I'm not even kidding you rn, I am furious. I am unsure of how to proceed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Senor Forum:
A murderous, religion-driven rampage.

Your religion, of course, is Cellularanity.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
https://www.facebook.com/ATT

Comment on

EVERYTHING

demanding the bootloader be allowed to be unlocked.

This has worked before.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dmbrown81:
For some reason I'm not bothered this. I was actually looking forward to just using this device as a phone. Ill play around with my atrix and note
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rev1775:
Wow, I was seriously considering the HTC to go along with my note but if the bootloader can't be unlocked I may delay my purchase until I see some development.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kennethpenn:
HTC promised unlocked bootloaders for all devices launched after September 2011. The Vivid was launched in November, and its bootloader unlocked in December. I'm confident the One X on AT&T will be unlocked.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mbaran:
I sort of agree.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] thinkhope:
Hope I'm not offending PG by answering for him, but around Christmas time HTC listed the vivid as available for bootloader unlock through HTC dev.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] felang:
I just want to be able to use the att hox I ordered as a mobile hotspot (as is permitted by Rogers).
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kennethpenn:
Exactly. It was unlocked just like every other device. Worst case scenario, we have to wait a month or two to unlock the AT&T one.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fuybjeans:
I hope you guys are right. But why would ATT go out of their way to lock the phone when Roger's didn't? To try and force us to use their bloatware for a few months?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] darkamikaze:
I hope more detail can come out of this. Like another user said,i don't want to be in another Atrix fiasco. Although, the Atrix was a pretty solid phone and no doubt this one is as well

-dark
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tehdef:
I just posted on their facebook page and the hox hype thread.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Alcoholic:
Because apparently at&t has some nonsense where you cant forget attwifi and automatically connect to it. They also have it so you can't uninstall the at&t bloatware. I read a few other "tweeks"
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] letshaveDEX:
Seriously? This is crazy! I thought ICS had an option to disable system apps! If we don't make this issue a priority then we may have to wait until we find an S-OFF solution for the HTC One XL.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] paulobrien:
You can disable all but 1 of the added AT&T apps. This isn't about bloatware.

P
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fuybjeans:
If you're right, and one of the main reasons is that locking it allows these phones to auto connect to their wifi, why would they ever allow us to unlock? Not a real question, just venting.

This is one of the only times I let my excitement get the best of me and pre-order, but it never even crossed my mind these phones would be locked...especially an HTC flagship product.

Damn this would really suck!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] paulobrien:
I doubt it's about WiFi either, it's probably about potentially breaking phones. Anyhow, i've requested an official response.

P
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jdhommert:
wtf

i was getting ready to order this damn phone..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] JSLEnterprises:
Blame the excessiveness of American Cellular Carriers.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pirateghost:
THIS......
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] JSLEnterprises:
Order the rogers one.

$624+tax CAD outright, has "HTC" instead of 'AT&T' physical branding, and can be easily debranded from Rogers, and you can flash an AT&T ruu onto it.

Pas Problem. :P

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though you guy's still get better plan/prices than we Canadians do. :/
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kennethpenn:
Yup. Locked bootloaders means fewer borked phones, which is better for AT&T. Still, I bet it'll be unlocked in due time. HTC said all bootloaders after Sept. will be unlockable.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] letshaveDEX:
Chances are we will be able to get root on the HTC One XL before then.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
Also this phone isn't even officially out yet.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] fuybjeans:
$624 @ Rogers...wont be able to sell our ATT models for more than ATT's cost at $550.

You have to believe we'll be able to unlock soon....plus there wont be quality ROMs for another couple months anyway.

I think I'm going to decide to stick with it and cross my fingers.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] letshaveDEX:
Even though I absolutely loathe AT&T with the burning passion of a thousand suns, I've decided to keep the One X due to the fact that we may not see good ROMs for some time after its release and it is still a good phone while stock.

Anything is better than my iPhone 4 at this point.