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[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
pffft

save your money, once we get ICS on here or even JB this tab will be just fine.

What do you guys use your tabs for mainly?

I am still on my laptop most of the times:laugh:
[Acer Iconia A500] vothanhtam:
Played with it for a few days after purchased then the kids took over hehe.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Nah... already made up my mind. Order the 701 this morning :laugh: (hopefully they deliver this evening)

Will still keep the 501 though ;) Still a couple of things left to do on it!

As with usage, I use the tab during the week, as I'm in several places during the day, and rarely have access to a computer.

At home, , the 501 switches to rom testing and Dev stuff. And lately with the 50x series, been a lot of that ;) But still I use it for the hdmi (easier than using laptop), and wife also uses it on occasion.
[Acer Iconia A500] thevilish:
MD: You have to do wide review of your new device with screenshots, other photos, happiness! How fast and outstanding is it, and (hopefully) how to port its ROM to A501 ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
HA HA! I will keep you guys posted. Should be here this afternoon sometime. Am a little puzzled by a couple reports of the processor overheating causing reboots, but will know more when I get my hands on it.

As far as porting, well, me and Paul-xxx have our hands full with that Transformer port. We made a little progress with it, but it's also my first attempt at porting so I'm definately no pro at it ;)

Still waiting for an Acer official drop so Can get the 501 where it should be.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] man_is_h:
I'm on Alexandra V a501 ICS for last over a month. It's a great work by MD. Still need whole lot of work to be done by Acer on ICS integration for a501. I'm getting a feeling of going back to HC. Is there any way I could revert the ROM back to stock HC? I know, I might be missing Acer Ring and Print there (Cloud Print, though could be a better replacement!).
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Thanks for waiting so long. Really, me and some devs tried hard to get the 3g working a little better. Heck, EZ_Terry and Vach built a 501 OC kernel using 500 source code, but still had the 3g issue, so we have to use Wakelock. Overall, though, it still runs good (bad battery life because of wakelock)

I would suggest you might wait at least 1 more week till the 11th or 12th. Acer Italy has promised some sort of update for the 501 (I assume a good ICS). Would take me a day or so, to drop it into a usable rom depending on work and family, once somebody does a dump or a recovery backup.

If you really want to roll back, then the only way I know of, is to install a stock 3.2 rom. I believe a couple of folks used TimmyDeans tool to do this. But really, I myself have never rolled back that far yet. And TD's tool installs a stock rooted 500 rom, so you would have to install a 501 rom afterwards.

Of course I'll give you guidance if you run into issues.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] man_is_h:
Thanks Moscow. I'm sure you and devs would definitely come up with a better integration. Will wait until Acer drops the fix. Personally, I always preferred stability over features ; ) Doesn't bother me if I'm on stable Froyo. Would bug me if it's unstable JB!
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Thanks! Just be patient like we all are. Stability is a must, and to be honest, I had an "epifiney" awhile back as well.

The better solution will come, this I promise.
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
Well since you are waiting, can you jump in and hel the team get ICS running on the Samsung Infuse:laugh:
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

You know, it's funny. I have the original Desire. And there are a few ICS Roms (haven't tried yet). My wife has a Desire S (a lot newer) stock, and HTC hasn't pushed ICS to it yet, not even 1 small update in almost a year. Go figgure....

Right now, still trying to get full root on my new 701. :crying:

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] thevilish:
yeah, right.. but don't you forget about something? ;)

How's the device? Look'n'feel etc.? Display is better or worse? Weight? So many questions! :)
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Ok, so here's what I see so far.

It's lighter than the 501, noticably. Also it's thinner, and the back cover has a rubber like feel to it, so you don't feel it's slipping out of your hands.

Front camera is almost in the middle. Rear camera is in the middle. (both at the top. Picture quality seems improved with a touch more clarity and sharpness.

If you thought the 501 sim/memory flap was cheap, well, the 701 is cheaper. Be careful.

No full size USB port, but Acer includes an adapter. Nice addition ;) Also, the charging port is improved as it uses the USB port as well (no charge from PC though). So no worries about the charging pin breaking.

hdmi is on the opposite side.

Ok, performance.

Display is great!!! Haven't used hdmi yet, but Cars2 was extrememly noticible.:victory:

Audio. Speakers have changed and now face a little forward. Quality is a good improvement.:victory:

Had a small issue with 3g not activating when turning off wifi. Still had a red x, but played with the mobile data settings, and has worked without problem ever since. :fingers-crossed:

Wifi speeds are faster than the 501. :victory:

Acer ring starts smoother, but remember, the ring was made for the a200, 510, 511, 700 and 701. Not for the 500/501.

Most other screens run smoothly as expected. Still a slight catch in the apps drawer. But over all smooth.

Ok the big one. You all have heard a few folks stating the 700/701 processor can get too hot when playing intensive games after 30 minutes. Well, I haven't had a reboot yet, but have seen the temp peak at 70c, which should be within design limits. Probably because it has to work harder with the high res display. Yeah, it feels hot, but not hot enough to be painful. Besides, I use a cover anyhow.

Well, guess what I just noticed? And somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but the 700/701 is "supposed" to be with a tegra3 at 1.3ghz. Right? At least all the specs I see state that.

Somebody want to explain why "my" tablet is clocked to 1.4ghz???? According to SetCpu and SystemTuner, it's at 1.4.

Anyhow, haven't had a chance to play shadowgun or install skype yet.

Battery life seems ok, but hard to tell yet.

1. Comes with an unlockable bootloader.

2. Can install CWM Recovery.

3. Well, we can get root, but working with Zero-Null to make an easy process for R/W. Current method is experimental and doesn't work yet.

MD

EDIT: One more thing on the display, it seems to show better in the daytime compared to the 501.
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
NOOOOOOOOOO

You are supposed to get the 501 working:laugh:

Can port ICS from new tab to 501?
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
HA HA. Don't worry. The 501 is still charged and ready to go!

Dude, porting? You see how sucessful I was with the Transformer port. (although I got GPS working, and APNs).

The problem with porting, is you still have to use the 501 kernel. No way around that.

And, I haven't really messed with the system dump yet, but I'm thinking some of the files are optimized for the Tegra3.

Don't worry. Soon Mate!

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
How about you extract some of the nicer Apps that came with your new tablet and put into the 501 ROM:D
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
MD- here is Google NOW for you to add to ROM if you want to.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28234189&postcount=142
[Acer Iconia A500] thevilish:
Thanks MD! :) This is what I want to know.

This processor temperature... you can lay tab on laptop air-cooled stand and play - more comfortable I think ;) Or maybe they will make special designed stand for 701.

About processor - there are three options of tegra 3 - one of them is with 1,4GHz clock in quadcore (1,5 in singlecore mode [as wiki speaks ;) ] )

Here we don't have A511 even, so 701 will be present maybe in late... never :/

Nice review anyway :)

with envy,

thevilish
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
HA HA! Don't have too much envy.

I just hard bricked it today. Seems the recovery smoked the Data partition and couldn't install any of the backups :(

Fastboot wasn't responding, so installed stock rom to get stock bootloader.

Off for exchange tomorrow.

BTW, new rules as far as bootloaders. They seem to be individual to the rom version and comgen.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] RiceDie:
MD, thanks for the review, good luck with the brick exchange!

Nice to hear its clocked higher and heat is with in spec
[Acer Iconia A500] thevilish:
holy sh... You know how to party, isn't you? :) Good luck with exchange!
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Sorry i'm late answering you guys. been really busy.

I installed the Google Now, and it works (except voice) as they said in the development thread. Haven't played with it a lot, as there are really limited instructions on how to use it properly. Just don't click on the audio functions and it behaves itself.

Will add it to next rom, and maybe a few of the 701's apps also if I can remember which ones are interesting. Won't get my 701 back till sometime this coming week.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] IcedCube:
Can we bin some of the gameloft crap? Some of those games can go, same with "Top HD Games" and "Tegra Zone". Those apps just waste space.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
You can "bin" all you want to! ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] IcedCube:
I meant bin the crap install-wise, as in, trash those apps out of the install ZIP. ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
INFO: The games and some other apps, have already been removed for awhile. This is due to more and more game companies changing copyright regs, which state basically the apps are for 1 time install, and any re-distribution of apps have to have written consent, blah blah blah.....

So in the future, more and more "stock roms" and some modded roms, will eventually have to have certain apps removed from the install if they are to be posted on XDA.

If a person doesn't like a specific app, then it's pretty simple to just delete it. Considering it's a "Beta" release, and most folks will dump it when the official comes, it's really a "moot" point.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] Edenprime:
First things first the zip name is alexexanderIV.zip :)

Is there any chance to go back to HC bootloader and then flash Alexandra III if anything goes wrong? I mean if after I flash Alexandra IV and most of the apps I need for work won't work, and I'll need to revert back to AIII, will it be possible? I know MD You wrote that I'll need to flash HC bootloader, but seems that my search engine can't find a topic how to revert back.
[Acer Iconia A500] imaulana:
hahaha, i'll try your suggestion.

i will report it as soon as i upgrade my a501.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Good thing I got it right on the Acer Ring! ;) Was in a hurry to zip and post last night.

You can go back to HC, but you'll have to run an EUU or probably TimmyDeans method. That would be the easiest way I think. There's a thread called "How to recover from leaked ICS". Just make sure you have your HC UID number, and your new ICS UID number.

In Theory, Alexandra IV can run on ICS Stock bootloader (no system r/w or limited), ICS Mod ver2, and ICS Mod ver3.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Interesting, as in all the build flashes, I never received that. Usually, right after installing, when you open the Play store, it should update. At least that's what it always does for me.

EDIT: Try clearing the app and data cache for Play, and try it again. It should be version 3.4.7
[Acer Iconia A500] khangozzy:
Glad to see ICS from MD :)

Downloaded and do reading for new ICS bootloader stuff and find a way back to HC just in case :P

Great work MD, thank for your hardwork.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Thanks, but no time to celebrate just yet.

Am concerned about the Market Play issue one of the guys had. So hopefully, everybody else is ok. I flashed 19 or so times, and never had an issue. So check it for me after waiting a minute after installing and setting wifi. It should say "updating Google Play" when you select it.
[Acer Iconia A500] ebonikeys:
Tried that already, anyhow it only happens whenever im activate the market enabler.. paid apps are not yet available here so activating it is a must for me.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Ah, so it must be an issue with Play Store vs. Market enabler. I'll do a little research into it. Maybe there's a workaround of something. Maybe there's a newer version of enabler at the dev's web site.

When wife finishes watching films, I'll check it out. Had to get a micro HDMI cable to make sure it works ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Took a look at the authors support site. Make sure you have version v.3.1.1.3 at least.

His support site: http://forum.android-schweiz.ch/android/android-apps/marketenabler/?langid=4
[Acer Iconia A500] v11lemans:
Hi Moscow

i was waiting for your ICS rom. I am running Alexandria III that is working great.

In the Civato thread about OTA ICS Stock rooted A500 Rom is written that the ROM can be used also with HC bootloader flashing after the ROM the HC 3.2.1 kernel.

Do you think this is also possible with Alexandria IV?

I am going to try before switching to ICS bootloader.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
In theory, you can try running the a500 patched kernel for HC bootloaders.

However;

1. You will not get 3g

2. You will probably not get GPS.

If you do, make sure you run the correct /lib/modules files. (I tested this theory with CM9 builds)

Sooner or later, all the HC 501 people, WILL BE running the ICS bootloaders. Whether it is via OTA or a custom flash.

If you want my opinion, if I'm going to mess with my tab, I would rather have control over what I do (to brick or not to brick) and do it by my own hands, instead of leaving it up to ACER to mess things up (the recent 500 OTA which is now delayed for another month till they figure out how they screwed up 70% of the tablets they ran OTA on). Must be Tech Support Hell right now.

But hey, everybody has a choice in things. ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] v11lemans:
Thanks Moscow as usual i good answer.

BTW i am going to check the HC bootloader and then Alexandrai IV. I'll report to you.

We all feel much confident with your Rom than Acer OTA.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
It's ok and thanks!

I fully understand that asking people to update their bootloaders can be a scary thing. This I understand. I did it, because I had no other choice :D

Taking the correct steps, and paying attention, and reading, it's really not a big deal. ;) But I know the feeling, believe me.

The Rom itself, does not have the ability to brick a tab. Those parts have been taken out. At the most, a bootloop is the worse that could happen.

OTA... well, 2yrs ago it killed wifi and tooth on my HTC Desire (it's how I got into rooting and roms, and bootloaders, etc) Darn thing was only 3 days old!!!!
[Acer Iconia A500] v11lemans:
Moscow i Installed the ROM and after that the stock 3.2.1 Kernel. Unfortunally it did not pass the splash screen, for sure i did not install the right lib. So i have decided to go and install ICS unlocked bootloader.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Well, you should have used the stock ICS kernel. HC kernels will not work with ICS., Sorry if I did not state that clear. :(

If you want to mess with ICS kernels, let me know. But I have already published the results during testing in the CM9 thread.

If you need advice, let me know.

EDIT: if you are going to install bootloaders, install Version3. I may have a surprise for you.
[Acer Iconia A500] HooeyBooey:
Anyone else having issues with the accelerometer? My screen will rotate based on application just not based on position.
[Acer Iconia A500] civato:
HC bootloader users

This is experimental , I don't have a A501.

If you are still on HC bootloader and you want AlexandraIV ICS running on it flash this kernel right after you installed the rom (before you reboot you flash this kernel (boot.img) with cwm)

See attachments !

NOTE!

Screen glitches are normal with this , price you pay for beeing chicken and staying on the old HC bootloader.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
what application?
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
People, I have 3 new kernels. 1 for HC, and two for ICS bootloaders.

Please give me time to check them out.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] AstroMag:
Of course, of course! Those 2-e, which is under the ICS, already under Ver3? Do not wait to tinker with, an updated version. :)
[Acer Iconia A500] ultramag69:
IcedCube, you need to realise that others might actually want these apps in the rom. This is only your opinion that they're crap and space wasters...

From MD's response this may become a dead issue if the devs have no choice but to delete them. Wonder how you go , if on stock rom, you do a factory reset. Wonder if I need to send a letter to gameloft asking permission to re-install my games... :p:silly:
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
Well this is just bull$hit.

JB is out and most of these companies still don't have a working ICS.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Well, the fault is going to lie with Acer. I don't know if it's their marketing (trying to push us to buy a 511 or a 701). Not really sure what their problem is. The Asus TF 101 has had Ics for some time now. The 511 and 701 run 4.04 ICS, and they don't have any issues. Samsung has done the same with their tabs also (they call it the Galaxy Tab 2, but it appears to be the same tab with ICS and frankly, it sucks).

Heck, EZTerry and Vach made a 3g kernel from 500 source. Yeah, it has the same issue, but wakelock fixes it. But that's not the point.

I always felt that the 3g tabs will always be the last to get anything from Acer. I honestly don't know why. I know the 3g tabs represent a small portion of their business, but still, money is money, and good service leads to repeat customers. I bought a 701 for crying out loud, so suck on that one Acer!

I think they have the update, but they're sitting on it. Maybe a delivery issue. Maybe marketing. Maybe they are afraid they will lose some purchases if 501 users have ICS, and don't feel the need to upgrade devices.

I have a gut feeling, or conspiracy theory, that maybe the issues lays with carriers like ATT and Rogers. The sim locked carriers. Just another theory.

I look at it this way. If Acer isn't going to deliver the ICS update, then the most responsible thing, would be to drop the ICS kernel source that they have now, and let "US" figure it out. We all know it's in the WakeLoc portion of the kernel.

Ehhhhh....... just some theories....

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
I plugged in a MS wifi mouse into tablet and it worked.

I plugged the wifi adapter to the tablet then clicked the mouse and it worked right away.

I thought only BT keyboards and mice worked.
[Acer Iconia A500] ultramag69:
I'm sorry, I can't let this go....

The plural for a computer mouse is mouses... More than one of the small furry animals that likes cheese are called mice... I pity the poor mouse that someone tries to plug into a PC, especially considering where they'd have to attach the plug.... :p
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
You guys are too much.

Actually, you have better luck using the USB for devices rather than the BTooth.

About the main issues that everybody grips about, is the lack of support for headsets with mic's. Seems there are only a rare few that work with the iconia tabs.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
And what is the plural for moose?
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Mooseburgers :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Oh, By the way......Will have a present for you guys in a couple or 3 days ;)

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] ordio:
Looking forward to it.

I know you've probably just got it installed. What's your first impression so far?
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
No, just home from work and supper ;)

Well, it's an update patch and not a full rom. And it's set to use a HC 3.2.1 to do the patch. Doesn't specify which version of 3.2.1.

So,,,,, unless there are other volunteers, I'll have to roll back to 3.2.1 to install the update, and hope it works, That includes bootloaders as well.. Then a system dump (or CWM backup) after everything gets reconfigured again.

Unless anybody else has a good idea???

Oh joy.......

MD

EDIT: Do to what I have to do, the closest I can begin is maybe thursday due to work.
[Acer Iconia A500] xsatx:
....

Anxiously waiting for news .... good job friend ...;)
[Acer Iconia A500] khangozzy:
Waiting for update, good luck MD :beer:
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Thanks guys. Will get to it as soon as I get some free time on Thursday. Job for now.

Hoping they fixed the issues. ;)

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
Wooooo Whooooooooo

MD is giving us JELLEYBEAN

way to go MD
[Acer Iconia A500] ordio:
Seriously? Where'd you get that MD is giving us Jellybean... Other than CM10, there is no indication that JB is even out for the a500/501....

I'm guessing that the new leak is ics as well...

Ditto... looking forward to the news.

I'm tempted to install, but as you say, it needs to be upgraded from 3.21..

Have a good night... take your time :).. i'm a patient man..:good:
[Acer Iconia A500] ultramag69:
Not really sure, living in Oz I don't really get to use the word moose much... :p

I'm sure in Canada they wouldn't use the word Platypus much either, or know the plural , which is Platypi...

Back on topic, though, excellant news about a new little surprise MD, can't wait.... :D
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
HA HA HA. Jelly Bean... The other guys with more experience are working on that right now. Not totally sure what their progress is on it But I think the 3g portion is going to be a killer with it, as no kernel source is even out yet for 501 ICS. Granted, EZTerry and Vache made a hybrid 501 kernel using 500 source code, but it was prone to SOD and 3g drop just like the previous Acer leaks. But still, they did a great job on it as I still use it ;)

Galapogos01 will try and get me a dump tonight.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] blackthund3r:
Pro tip for you guys - if you want the full root /system rw access you can just use ICS Root 7.1.1 and select only that option provided busybox is installed (if not tick that too). Saves rerooting and should be cleaner than running ZeroNull's tool over a prerooted ROM :)
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Well, I'll give it a try and see how it goes.

However, if it installs a "remounter" app in my tab, I will definately pass out "infraction" points! ;)

EDIT. Doesn't work mate.Have to stay with Zero-Null's root.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Just an update on the new update .019

Again, it's another Release Candidate, and not an official one.

I've just put an install together, and installed it. Runs fine so far.

Big THANKS to Galapagos1 for providing the dump.

He's had it for a day and a half, and no drop in 3g yet. No SOD. However, he states battery life is not so good. Granted, I don't know what apps are running on his tab, or if he wiped battery stats before flashing. So the real results remain to be seen.

As for me, I will probably go ahead and deodex it, make a few changes and get it out if it runs good today. So expect it this weekend sometime if all goes well.

I'm debating whether to mess with battery % mods in systemUI. I found a ringed weather/clock/battery % in the market that looks nice and gives battery % 1-100. You can see a sample of it in the themes and apps section, although the one in the market is almost just like it. (market one is free and doesn't mess with the launcher). So I use the market one.

Will get a tweaked kernel for init.d, cifs, GPS and IO tweaks as soon as possible.

The only thing I really noticed, is that it's a "fat" rom. A huge filesize. I'll try to lean it down.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] civato:
Send me the boot.img , i will do the tweak stuff , I/O , GPS , more sex tweak and run the full root hack on it so you don't need to run the root tool .

I'm bored , it's raining over here.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
You got it Mate.

Raining... yeah.... it sucks.

Check your PM in about 15 min.

MD
[Acer Iconia A500] droiduzr2:
you guys better be working on this or else...off to Siberia you go:laugh: