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[Galaxy S III General] Infy_AsiX:
where does stock music player come in this? I like being able to fast forward and rewind a track from notifications holding a button in stock player.

btw been doing some thinking and research on getting serious about listening to music more. Getting the budget entry to experience, the KSC75 and monoprice 8320. Soon to join you all on the seemingly never ending quest to audio quality ?

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[Galaxy S III General] @home:
Poweramp last :silly: - Sorry but I cannot take you seriously - It's one of the best, if not the best.

Flac + Kilpsch X10 & Poweramp - Never seen last
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Personally, I'd say stock would be in #4.

Congrats on the ksc75, probably the best bang for buck headphone out there.

Sent from a Galaxy far, far away

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Remove the snide remark, and I think his list is spot on. Poweramp has an excellent interface and nice interface. Before I tried anything else I thought it was the best.

But it sounds horrible on flat eq, and even with extensive tweaking of eq, tone, stereo x, etc, it sounds muffled and synthetic compared to the other players, especially neutron.

However, if ui was your primary concern, I'd rate it no 1 or 2.

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[Galaxy S III General] Schlesier:
I'm new here, so hallo ;)

I'm in this thread because I was nervous due to the SQ in my stock S3 with Sennheiser CX300II and Poweramp. Comparing to iPod Nano with the same music source and headphones it was fu.. bad, so I'm watching for the reason. With Neutron it sounds much, much better so I agrre with the top list ;)
[Galaxy S III General] erto90:
Thread updated with more infos

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2027495
[Galaxy S III General] GPKrzychuXxX:
what about sound in siyah 1.8.3
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Have only tried till 1.8 but the best sounding siyah jb kernel for me is 1.6.7.

However there are other great audio tweaked kernels out there like perseus and boeffla kernel. I'm personally trying out boeffla kernel and it's quite good.

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[Galaxy S III General] thekoRngear:
Here.

If rab finds himself quite persistant with boeffla I request him to share his settings with us in here. :)
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Sure. These are the only settings I changed for audio:

Headphone amp =60

Dac direct =on

Dac oversampling =on

I find the sound on the warmer side with greater clarity and detail; and possibly wider sound stage.

I want to compare it to my previous favorite, siyah 1.6.7, but my siyah copy is a tar file and I don't have my laptop on hand.

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[Galaxy S III General] Infy_AsiX:
you should get mobile Odin, no pc required :) Does direct dac do anything without an external amp? You should try 1.8.3 gm made some changes to bass. Also does Perseus work like siyah 1.6.7?

?????? Galaxy S3 ??????
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Yes you will notice a distinct increase in clarity with Dac direct.

I may try siyah 1.8.3 sometime, but afaik its audio is still based on his 1.8 tweaks and I didn't like how that sounded. I'm also no bass head. My preference is clarity, detail, and airiness. I'd rather listen to music in its most natural state as it was meant to be heard.

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[Galaxy S III General] gokhanmoral:
the equalizer for the first and second band is different in 1.8.3 which will probably give you more clear sound. other than that, everything is the same.

and there is no difference in pegasus or boeffla kernels in terms of the modifications capability.

if you use the same settings with same rom you will get the same quality.

just some settings are not accessible via stweaks but script interface.

v1.8.3 is using stock values for the equalizer bands.
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Interesting. Might try out 1.8.3 sometime, but right now I'm testing boeffla.

But fwiw, 1.6.7 is the most analytical sounding jb kernel I've heard so far.

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[Galaxy S III General] CZ Eddie:
My DAC to car stereo experience documented with pics:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2033527
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
To you guys with external dacs/amps.

Do you think I'll get any perceivable benefits from getting one myself?

I am contemplating getting the leckerton uha 6s mk ii, but I am only using easy to drive iems - the vsonic gr07 bass edition.

I am fairly happy with my setup right now, but I sometimes think whether a dac /amp can bring out more in my iem. CliOS of head fi doesn't believe so, since my iem is already easily driven by the sgs3, and the internal dac of the sgs3 paired with a good custom kernel tweaked for audio ;and neutron player is already a good combination.

Thoughts?

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[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
I've had audio issues with fll tuning and boeffla kernel.

However I reflashed the kernel again after trying some other customs and I switched fll tuning on. Now it is working as it should and it does add to sq.

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[Galaxy S III General] m7md_k9:
how to make the Galaxy s3 like the HTC (beatsby dr dre)

cuz i have the Beats Studio

and when i connect the beats to HTC gave me nice quality

and when i connect the beats to S3 gave me low and bad quality

any Solution ?
[Galaxy S III General] Darkii89:
you may try Beats Audio Engine from Acid Audio engine it may enhance your audio experience with Beats ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2002197
[Galaxy S III General] danba:
USB Audio Recorder PRO: "USB audio recording and playback now finally possible on Android devices!"

"Supported are mono and stereo streams, 16-bit and 24-bit and any sample rate (up to 192kHz) that the device provides."

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudiorecorderpro

Android phones and USB DACs

http://www.extreamsd.com/USBAudioRecorderPRO/

Some USB DACs, like the FiiO E17, not working with stock USB audio software, can interwork with the Samsung Galaxy S3 and other Android devices using USB Audio Recorder PRO:

music stored on Galaxy S3 > USB Audio Recorder PRO player > digital USB audio out >> "USB OTG" cable >> FiiO E17 >> headphones
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Do I have it right that this app essentially becomes your media player?

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[Galaxy S III General] danba:
It's perfectible because it doesn't focus on (USB ) audio playback like Neutron or Poweramp.
[Galaxy S III General] Metups:
So, if I wanted to continue to use PowerAmp, I would run that app, set the preferences and then run PowerAmp to be able to use the e17 with the s3?
[Galaxy S III General] danba:
Nope, I didn't say that.
[Galaxy S III General] Metups:
Well, alrighty then.;)
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Sorry maybe off subject, but does loud volume hack make headphones louder or just speaker I want one just for headphones cause I'mscared to blow my phones speaker
[Galaxy S III General] Vlad_M:
Would also like to know - the volume of the headphones is too low and not enough to drown the background noise in the gym, even with buds making a decent seal in my ears.
[Galaxy S III General] Galactus:
I much prefer to use Perseus and raise the headphone volume of the device from 50 to 57-60
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
As beats said, just use any custom kernel that supports scooby doo /voodoo audio mods and you're good.

Sent from a Galaxy far, far away
[Galaxy S III General] danba:
Unique Melody Platform Pure 6 & Samsung Galaxy S3 using USB Audio Recorder PRO:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/613417/uni...ion-appreciation-tour-thread/360#post_8965862

music stored on stock Galaxy S3 > USB Audio Recorder PRO player > digital USB audio out >> "USB OTG" cable >> Unique Melody PP6 > custom IEM

"You have no idea how happy I am right now."
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
monster setup!!!
[Galaxy S III General] Infy_AsiX:
with the decent ksc75 I can vividly hear the difference in sound quality. There's no going back once hearing better. I confirm poweramp sounds terrible but I couldn't hear that before better headphones. I'm liking neutron a lot. I've got the cheap MH1C on the way for more intimate listening :)

Love having scooby doo sound tweaks. A must to reach high volumes on more demanding sets. Sounds excellent and a bonus is being able to switch amp volumes and eq settings using a Tasker menu pop up. Maybe the best phone for music? :D

?????? Galaxy S3 ??????
[Galaxy S III General] BaronInkjet:
Anyone every had any weird static sounds lately on Neutron? It was my fav for a while now, but lately I have heard it make some pretty sloppy errors on WMA 192. Just certain kinds of things, like blues, jazz so far. Same files on PowerAmp are fine. I am drifting back to Poweramp recently due to this. (And got some Head-Direct RE0's that require a little more precise bass tuning than Neutron allows.)
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Have you tried clearing cache and data, un installing the reinstalling?

I've had issues with Neutron before that were solved by this.

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[Galaxy S III General] danba:
24-bit / 96kHz lossless music and USB Audio Recoder PRO:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5leHRyZWFtc2QudXNiYXVkaW9yZWNvcmRlcnBybyJd

http://www.linnrecords.com/recording-highwire.aspx

music stored on Samsung Galaxy S3 > USB Audio Recorder PRO player >> ODAC >> amp >> headphones

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USB audio at the Android Linux kernel space, USB audio at the Android Linux user space

A USB audio source code:

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page

https://github.com/sgs3/GT-I9300_Kernel/blob/master/sound/usb/card.c#L2

https://github.com/sgs3/GT-I9300_Kernel/tree/master/sound/usb
[Galaxy S III General] melque:
I have read the the wolfson dac suports 24/96 but the android converts all to 16/44. can we change that?
[Galaxy S III General] GPKrzychuXxX:
Boeffia kernel 2.3.1 play the best

Dynamic sound First kernel
[Galaxy S III General] benmyers2941:
From what I've read that is a usb spec limitation and not an android one. I'd for one like to see an installable package for custom roms first.
[Galaxy S III General] melque:
but neutron mp shows only 16/44 out even to earphones
[Galaxy S III General] danba:
As far as I understand, there are some 16/44.1 audio mixing limitations in the current Android media player framework.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/975#post_8940230

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1005#post_8950416

Contrary to the current stock media player / Neutron / Poweramp using the kernel USB audio via the Android media player framework, the USB Audio Recorder PRO app, doing directly audio over the USB, can output 16-bit and 24-bit stream at any sample rate up to 192kHz.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudiorecorderpro

USB audio & Android

USB standard (audio, mass storage, etc.) driver supported on stock Galaxy S3 / Note2

"As long as the kernel on the Android device supported the USB standard driver of the hardware (mass storage, input, etc.), Android would be able to use it and therefore open up a new range of extra devices compatible with the system."

USB standard (audio, mass storage, etc.) driver not supported:

* Developing your USB standard (audio, etc.) driver at the kernel space

"However, there are many devices that have not been "compatible" from the beginning. For instance, let's say your common RFID reader. It most likely uses a USB-serial port and probably comes with a Linux or Windows driver as well as some software. Most Android tablets will come without the USB-serial driver for your RFID reader however.

Therefore, if you want to load your driver you will need to root your tablet, determine the version of your current kernel, find the kernel sources online, hope that everything compiles to have your driver ready and then load it onto your tablet. In the end, when you finally have your kernel driver running, you will be required to write C code as well as some JNI glue to communicate with your Activity or Service in Android.

All in all, this approach is not very straightforward.

* Writing your own USB "soft driver" at the user space

There is a very elegant solution to aforementioned problem.

It requires far less skills in hacking and porting than the mentioned approach. However, you will require some advanced knowledge in Android programming as well as some USB know-how.

You can write your own "soft driver" in Android. Since the USB Host API has been released, it is now possible to communicate with any USB device using the most commonly seen USB transfers (control, interrupt, bulk).

In the end, your result will be portable across all Android devices that have USB host enabled and have Android version 3.1+. Moreover, this solution does NOT require root access to the tablet or phone. It is currently the only viable solution that does not require the user to have any know-how of rooting/hacking the device and risk losing warranty in the process."

http://android.serverbox.ch/?p=549
[Galaxy S III General] bcs2112:
neutron app vs boeffla kernel dac oversampling

Hi,

I'm newby (SGS3) and going to explore the sound abilities of hardware, OS, apps ... actually had a question, and I wondering if someone could answer me: neutron app has oversampling feature, and boeffla also has a similar feature: DAC oversampling.

Do these feature collaborate or colliding (maybe only superfluous) / do implement the same feature in different layer or are these features quite different?

(and what if we ever had a voodoo sound app? :rolleyes: )

--

regards,

bcs
[Galaxy S III General] Proteus1:
I just wanted to ask what difference is there with the dacs and what files to you listen to with those setups.
[Galaxy S III General] Theogenes:
This is actually a pretty huge question, but in short-- the difference between just using the built-in DAC and headphone amplifier in the S3 and an external one can be absolutely HUGE!! I'm currently using an ODAC > iBasso D6 (or Fiio E11, when the D6 runs dead) > Sennheiser IE8s (and Beyerdynamic T5p on the way!), and there is just no comparison whatsoever to the stock sound. It is vastly more clear, detailed, engaging, and outright fun.

As far as what files you listen to with portable setups, you can still listen to whatever music you'd normally listen to-- if I understand correctly (and I'm open to learning something if I'm mistaken), the beauty of the S3 supporting USB audio is that you just play your music on whatever player you have on the device (I prefer Neutron myself) and it outputs digitally via the micro USB port and is then converted to analog and amplified by your external DAC/amp. It just sounds a lot better.

If you'd like to learn more about the (often subtle) differences between various DAC chips and amplifiers, you should check out head-fi.org. It can be annoying to dig through all the silly babbling and bickering at times, but there is a VAST amount of fantastic information there if you're trying to learn more about this stuff. It's pretty much my go-to source for questions like yours ;)

Btw, if you want a quick off-the-cuff recommendation for an easy DAC/amp combo, it looks like the iBasso D-Zero is pretty fantastic from a bang-for-the-buck and ergonomic perspective, and I've got one on the way for those very reasons :D

Good luck!!!

PS- I'd avoid the Fiio E11. I just don't think it sounds very good at all-- but then again, I'm pretty picky ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Proteus1:
Thanks for your response, didn't think anyone would respond :/

But what about headphones, i have audio-techinca ath-m50s and they're good but not as close to as t5ps. So would there be a significant difference if i use it with a usb audio and dac setup. Btw where can i buy usb audio cables?(can't find them anywhere)
[Galaxy S III General] Theogenes:
I haven't heard the M50s, but I've heard they're great headphones. From the experience I've had, I'd say that you don't have to have ludicrously high-end headphones to hear a difference. I may T5ps on the way, but I've been listening to Sennheiser HD25i-IIs for about 2 years now, that's what I'll listen to until the day the Beyers arrive :p . On my Senns, the difference is just dramatic-- I can't imagine it would be any less impressive with your ATs. And if you try some out and disagree, there's a pretty strong market for portable DAC/amp combos now on Head-Fi and ebay, so your risk of loss would be minimal. At least, I hope so :silly:

As far as the cable, you have to make sure you get a USB OTG ("On The Go") cable, or at least a USB OTG adapter. I have one of these on the way (athough I haven't tried them yet), and I've actually used one of these [EDIT: I don't have enough posts to provide links, but if you google "android usb dac site:head-fi.org", you'll find the thread that has some links. Barring that, drop me a PM and I'll try to send it to you that way], which has worked just fine for me (with a standard USB cable plugged in the other end). Most portable DACs I've seen utilize a mini-USB input, so that's what the cables I've used have.

Honestly, if you really want to learn a LOT about this, look up DanBa's posts here, on Head-Fi, Hydrogen Audio, etc. That guy has pretty much single-handedly spearheaded and led the movement to get USB DACs working on mobile devices. His lists of compatible hardware for the Note 2 and S3 are absolutely invaluable. I honestly have no idea what he's talking about sometimes, but I sure as #@!! learn when I do ;).

Anyway, hope this helps man. There's nothing better than being able to really enjoy your music anywhere you go! Let me know how you get on :)
[Galaxy S III General] Theogenes:
I've tried a few times to send you a PM man, but I'm getting shut down at every turn. It may be because I have so few posts on here. I'll give it a shot again tomorrow ;)

Alternately, hit me up on Head-Fi and I'll paste my response over there.

Sorry for the OT everybody!
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
be sure to try the audio modified kernels (boeffla, perseus, etc) before you jump into the dac/amp setup. they change stock sound config a lot. ive tried my using an e7, e11, ja uha-120, and a transportable amp (shiit mjolnir i think) and tbh they didnt improve sq much. the fiio products in fact gave it a bas heavy, v-shaped sound prof which i dont like. i was actually going to get a leckerton uha 6s mk2 dac/amp but decided the portability limitations do not justify the gains in sq.

not however i am using a vsonic gr07 be iem. at 47 ohms, they are still very easily driven by the boeffla kernel. in fact i also connect my phone via aux in to my car stereo and sq is on par with a usb stick>usb in>car stereo connection.

ive auditioned the ath m50's before since i thought of getting one, they can be driven by the sgs3 on a modified audio kernel. imho, they sounded good, not great. they have a u shaped sound sig whith a bit of emphasis on bass. i dont know if using an external dac or amp will 'open them up' a bit more. but afaik they are relatively low impedance.
[Galaxy S III General] Ausboy 2011:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

Any guys in here using sols ultra?? :)
[Galaxy S III General] Theogenes:
I didn't think that there were many kernels that supported USB audio... Are you using USB Audio Recorder, or does boeffla actually support USB audio? I'd love to get a non-Sammy ROM on mine as long as I didn't have to give up my external DACs...
[Galaxy S III General] slipudatung:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

Hd25-2+ s3 + Boeffia kernel + neutron player = wow
[Galaxy S III General] rab1412000:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

Nope I was actually suggesting that he try out the s3 with a custom kernel first (without an external dac or amp) as it sounds much much different from stock.

Sent from a Galaxy far, far away

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Agree. I've tried it with the amperior and it sounds great!

Even tried it with an hd700 and it can drive it. Am I getting the full sq potential of the hd 700? Probably not, but it still sounds damn good for a smartphone!

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[Galaxy S III General] laehtis:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

Agree that no external amp isn't needed.

However, I kinda miss my SGS1 with VoodooSound and bassboost, the sound quality and bass responsiveness was just awesome.

It's kinda hard to make bass to sound like that with custom eq, bass starts to distort or singing sounds crappy.

I listen to all kinds of music, for example hardstyle techno and trance. Bass is important for me.

I have found good eq settings now, but hey, it can always be better.

How do you get good and solid bass play with no distortion? What eq settings:)
[Galaxy S III General] thekoRngear:
It'd be helpful if you post your equalizer settings over there. And discuss a little bit about it. Mine is in the first page.
[Galaxy S III General] Theogenes:
Misread your statement, my mistake. I REALLY wish we could get some other ROMs that support USB audio... I know I'm in the minority, but that's pretty much my primary use for my phone. I use my tablet for everything else.

And agreed with the HD25i-II comment-- I LOVE those cans!!!!
[Galaxy S III General] prettypulsar:
Is the omega ROM the best for sound quality? If not, what do audiophiles consider as the best ROM? Going to be using the phone with some sony MDR-R1 or Focal Spirit One.
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

I think the question should be which kernel, the rom doesn't impact the sound quality unless it has some mods (such as Acid Sound) baked in.

Popular kernels with audio enhancements are Siyah, Perseus, Yank's, Boeffla.

Or stock kernel.
[Galaxy S III General] owl74:
hi all, is there a voodoo amp now that is S3 compatible?
[Galaxy S III General] friend'scatdied:
Do you guys really think these audio H/W tweaks are producing palpable differences?

Initially when I flashed Perseus kernel I was flabbergasted. Then I went into the Audio tab of STweaks and noticed the vast amounts of equalization applied to various bands and reset it to flat/0. Now I can't really tell the difference between the Note 2 and my Sansa Clip Zip (which is probably a good thing).

I'm about to muck around with Wolfson DAC output settings (e.g. DAC Direct, oversampling et al) in a new kernel but I'm doubting I'll notice a difference that isn't due to volume change.

I'm using a pair of JH13s.
[Galaxy S III General] slipudatung:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

Personally I noticed a huge difference over stock, but not sure of perseus defaults. Try Eargasm with lots of negative digital gain (if you get distortion) and try compensate with volume increase as a start. Hard to know with those plugs as I have never heard them.

If you are worried there is an stweaks profile app from one of the members on xda (sorry no name/link) which I have seen in Siyah dev thread to back up current config.

Hope that helps in someway.
[Galaxy S III General] Agaranda:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

After trying several combinations, I think that Boeffla plus Gonemad player is the best. Perhaps neutron has slightly better SQ but with horrible UI.

I9300XXEMA2, Boeffla 2.7b8, Earsonics SM3
[Galaxy S III General] skibadee:
Re: Official Sound Quality thread

Nope, He was working on it but guess supercurio is just too busy these days. I think the s4 will be in the shops before we see an s3 version :(

Shame, as it was excellent on the s1, although it needed it more than the s3 does.
[Galaxy S III General] just4u32:
Guys, isn't Ac!d best?

Sounds awesome, but sound is too weak. Any ideas for a fix?
[Galaxy S III General] Galactus:
What do you mean it sounds AWESOME but WEAK..........