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[Kindle Fire General] xitrumch:
I agree that there're lazy people who doesn't want to read/research before asking. But there're also people who doesn't have any background on computer stuffs that tried to do some reading+research, but still don't understand.

In those cases, why don't you be a nice person, and give them a simple, easy to understand guidance. What's the point of giving abstract answers like quoting some links? I kinda hate it when seeing people post answer that is a link to a lengthy post (or sometimes, link to google, wikipedia website....) when the answer can be in just a few lines.

I know some of you senior member has grown tired of giving answers to noobs daily. But if you're tired of it, you shouldn't answer them in the first place, then blame them for being lazy/noobs when they don't understand it. If you really want to help them out, please be nice to them...
[Kindle Fire General] nrfitchett4:
Some nice senior members have gone through the trouble of typing up all those guides which answer about 99% of the questions. If you can't be bothered to read them, then why should anyone help you? And if you can't understand them, you shouldn't have hacked your device.
[Kindle Fire General] koop1955:
Thank you, soupmagnet

Whatever one might think of the humor of the OP (and I thought it was hysterical) it should be noted that soupmagnet is pretty consistently a first responder when someone bricks their Kindle, or has a problem with a ROM, or can't be bothered to find an answer for themselves.

Every community, on-line or otherwise, depends on the contributions of key members who just help people. soupmagnet is one of those people here and drew on a lot of actual experience, I am sure, in writing this up.

One of things that I never understand is how someone will be helped by an unpaid volunteer, a good Samaritan if you will, and won't even take the time to type "thank you" or click the Thanks button.

Thank you, soupmagnet, for all your contributions.
[Kindle Fire General] dadeo1111:
Can't get much easier to show your gratitude than clicking a button..

I'd like to commend helpful devs and mods for having the skill and patience to decipher posts done by folks who obviously don't primarily use English for daily communications. Too bad these are unpaid positions as they definitely deserve compensated for their skill and sometimes tedious, always hard work. The least we can do is click a button..better yet: post your gratitude as reward for the help you may have received. And donate when and where you can.
[Kindle Fire General] soupmagnet:
This thread was intended for humor and discussion. Please don't ruin it or get it locked by fighting with each other. Remarks like these are not helpful and serve no real purpose for discussion.
[Kindle Fire General] Pkt_Lnt:
This rang true today, even if it does show my age. (From a totally different forum, about mountain bikes and making your own tubeless tire sealant :D )

"The shortcut questions definitely degrade the signal to noise ratio for people joining the thread. The developmental process and rationale behind formulary elements are explained both in academic language and in straight-talk, so it is worthwhile to read back and see which questions have been answered. Unfortunately, one glaring factor in the generation gap between those born into a world without Internet and millennials is the abysmal attention span of the latter, but I digress."
[Kindle Fire General] foxdog66:
Man I couldn't even get to noob#3 before I was laughing so hard that Mt dew came out my nose... Is there more funny stuff through out the thread or just people crying about being insulted?
[Kindle Fire General] Dasanko:
It's a lot of crying (great OP though), and I'm gonna join the crying with this:
[Kindle Fire General] paxChristos:
XDA-ers, personal attacks are not tolerated and are contrary to XDA Rules

Pax

FSM Amazon Kindle Fire
[Kindle Fire General] Entropy512:
One of the best posts I've seen in a long time. It even begins to approach Ninphetamine Post #5 in awesomeness.
[Kindle Fire General] ChicagoGOBLUE:
You know, part of the problem is the wealth of information available. It's almost over-whelming at times. I'm a seasoned iDevice jailbreaker but am relatively new to the Android rooting/flashing ROMs thing. Surprisingly I did not have to ask for help, I still cannot believe that myself. Part of it was that I did a lot of reading, part of it was the fact KFU was so damn easy to use, the other part was luck I think.

I understand when folks keep seeing the same question over and over again, and again some more, get frustrated but if anything, if you're too annoyed to post an answer, a real answer to help, don't reply at all. Some people just freak out that their ~$200 device is bricked and rush to post a question in hopes that someone will help out immediately.

::shrug::

Just my 2 cents.
[Kindle Fire General] xitrumch:
True! Totally agree with that. If you're annoyed, just don't give them an abstract answer that you know they won't understand anyway...
[Kindle Fire General] jspradling7:
I have rooted several Android devices and I have two KF's. I messed one up (by my own stupidity) and I thought it was toast for sure. It is a bit overwhelming trying to read through all the unbricking and rooting info spread out across multiple forums trying to find out just what is wrong with yours.

Anyway, I thought I'd try doing some more reading this morning and ran across this thread. I found it funny and it also pointed me to my solution. So, for humor and getting my Kindle back online I give this thread a 10. : )

Thank you.
[Kindle Fire General] rachelm920:
I've been rooting and installing custom ROMS and such since I jailbroke my iPod touch back in 2008, followed by my Motorola Cliq and so on. However when I decided to install a custom ROM finally on my Fire on Sunday I got stuck in a bootloop. Did I panic and post a thread?? No! I just kept using the utility to reboot into recovery mode and try reinstalling. TWRP is new to me, I'm used to Clockwork and 4EXT so it turns out I had thought that I had fully wiped but I had not.

I found the OP's post to be relatively funny and true all across XDA since I am on here everyday.
[Kindle Fire General] lreyes:
Ummm....cool but custom roms on ios? Not possible
[Kindle Fire General] conantroutman:
BRAZILLIANT! :D

I wish I could copy it and sticky it in every single device forum.
[Kindle Fire General] yuidaoren:
tl;dr :p

Sent from my Jandycaned Kindle Fire.
[Kindle Fire General] UndisputedGuy:
Admittedly, some of it sounds a bit like me at times!
[Kindle Fire General] KidCarter93:
^^^N00b
[Kindle Fire General] UndisputedGuy:
Meh, I'm learning, a bit less like that now
[Kindle Fire General] KidCarter93:
We've all been a noob at one point or another xD
[Kindle Fire General] fooshang:
I thought the original post was funny. Everyone starts out noob.
[Kindle Fire General] Thepooch:
Your welcome and you have learned so much since then.:D
[Kindle Fire General] smgulsby:
Similar in experience, jail broke IPhone way back when, not a hacker but an end user. I do hijack, jailbreak phones for friends and I have found that the exact same phone (2 different IPhone 3gs or 2 Samsung Notes) react differently to the various tools that have been developed here by our most talented devs.

So while I agree I, we need to read up prior to uploading a question; I do think that at times I, we can be way too harsh to those people that truly need guidance.

Just my 2 worthless cents. Flame on!
[Kindle Fire General] StiffPeter:
help

I read this whole post twice. I'm still having the same problem. I wish you would just tell me what to do instead of linking to all these other posts.
[Kindle Fire General] sengwall:
ditching windows made all the difference

I would bet that most noobs who keep flooding the threads with redundant questions are Windows users who don't really understand what rooting actually is. You wanna understand android and have confidence you wont brick your device when you try to hack it? Then dump Windows and make the switch to Linux... It seriously makes all the difference when you understand the fundamentals of Linux, as it is the platform your shiny KF is running on. Go get yourself a copy of Ubuntu or Mint... and take the plunge into an OS that doesn't coddle and box you in like a mindless veal. Wanna have your cake and eat it too? Learn how its made and how to make it.
[Kindle Fire General] jotha:
OK, Guys and Gals

I started to delete posts from this thread bacause it makes less and less sense. Please stop posting just for post-counts sake or I will close/delete this thread.

peace

jotha - forum moderator
[Kindle Fire General] :
.m.
[Kindle Fire General] soupmagnet:
He edited his post. I can't imagine why. It was well within guidelines.
[Kindle Fire General] :
I re-read the mods statement right after I posted and it scared me off...

Edit - well it was a thank you to soup for all previous help in the form of something that probably only made him smile...;)
[Kindle Fire General] soupmagnet:
Commenting on the OP is fine. Straying too far off topic...like this...is what will get the thread locked.
[Kindle Fire General] jlshady00:
It's nice to have some comic relief from the frustrations of trying to help folks who absolutely refuse to try to help themselves. That's the problem with my generation sadly, they expect everything to be handed to them in life with no effort on their part. That is why older folks today are getting the jobs that teens used to get, the older folks actually put in a hard day's work while the teens feel like they shouldn't have to do anything they don't want to do yet they should still get the same pay for it. The expectation of instant gratification is another sad side effect of our social media generation, you shouldn't have to wait more than 3 seconds for anything worth having right? Anyway thanks for the laugh and all the help you still provide for these type of folks!
[Kindle Fire General] reincarnut:
Perspective :)

Now that paints a better picture of the truth :)

I am a noob, and unashamedly so. By the way, everybody is at one point. That's how everyone starts, except that the "uber-leet haxors or whatever" — let's just call them ULHOWs — often forget it as they hump their way through noob threads to geek orgasm. Now, as for me, I read the threads, up and down and sideways and backwards to solve my device problems... and I realize that sometimes the ULHOWs don't know how to speak plain English, which is what most noobs or casual modders are looking for. Telling me to "change the kernel from this to that after I configure the bootloader before I wipe the cache and reinstall my thingummy" is going to set me back by three days trying to figure out what was said by reading similar threads. English will work, just try it. Oh and the step 1, step 2 version.

So, I humbly offer my services to translate ULHOW lingo into plain English if anyone asks. Seriously. I will make the time.

That said, ULHOWs rule. Or we'll have no toys to play with :)
[Kindle Fire General] soupmagnet:
I think you're overlooking the big picture here.

There is nothing wrong with not having previous knowledge of how the Kindle Fire works or Android in general, and rarely will you be ostracized simply for asking for help. But keep in mind that any problem you've had, has happened hundreds of times before. Those problems have been solved just as many times and tutorials have been written to help in those situations.

Getting involved in rooting/modifying before knowing anything about it obviously isn't the smartest approach, but it still happens, mostly because the websites that tell users about rooting, rarely explain the possible pitfalls a lot of people face. So it's natural there's going to be a great deal of people that will end up having problems, and I think most people here understand that.

The problem we face is the, "I don't want to learn to fish. Why don't you just feed me?" mentality. How can one expect someone else to go through the trouble of writing explicit step-by-step instructions for every single case of "malfunctioning" device (even though it has been covered thousands of times before) when the person with the problem doesn't have the common decency to, at the very least, explain their problem in a great amount of detail, while providing clues as to how they got in that situation in the first place AND giving others an idea of how much they understand about what they are doing in the first place?

If you're the type of person that goes into a thread where a particular problem was already solved and explicitly ask for step-by-step instructions to solve the same problem (happens all the time) or if you're the type of person who will start a thread and say something to the effect of "My Kindle is broken. Can anybody help?"...guess what...this thread is for you.

On the other hand, if you are the type of person who will take responsibility for fixing a problem THAT YOU CREATED, and are genuinely interested in learning how to do it, even if you're technical abilities may not be up to par with the more seasoned members of this community, then you have nothing to fear and you will likely have your problem fixed much faster and be much better off in the long run.

I hope this helps to clear the air for some of those who might take offense to the OP.
[Kindle Fire General] reincarnut:
Ah, you really needn't have... I just wanted to balance the thread out a bit. Thanks for the explanation, though. Perhaps we just need to keep in mind that a noob who has say, bricked a device, gets desperate pretty quickly. It is pretty scary sometimes - I have been there several times, with several devices. All I'm saying is - be gentle with them, they trust you. That's why they're here :)

Kindle Fire + CM10 + JB + Kernel 3.x
[Kindle Fire General] mikeydjs:
Here, here!!!! And to further elaborate on this particular topic, there are soooooooo many different devices out there, soooooo many different os', and even more ever changing ways to exploit, brick, or change the way they work. That being said, there is no possible way (unless you're rich and have absolutely no life outside of electronics) that we can all know everything about every device and os out there. So please, if you took the time to read someone's issue and they still don't understand once you "kindly" point the way to what may possibly be going on with their device don't make them feel worse simply because they don't get what someone explained to you at one point, or something that took YOU hours on end to figure out!!! If someone helps you at some point here, pay it forward. If you have nothing to pay forward, lend a hand, one day you'll need it to and won't want to be called a NOOB for it either!!! Take point from my good friend THEPOOCH, now there's someone who you can count on!!!!
[Kindle Fire General] jji7skyline:
So true :P

Few people seem to take the time to help people properly, but of course a lot of people do, and they are extremely valued by the community.
[Kindle Fire General] soupmagnet:
Did you read my previous post?

What sounds more reasonable?

A person with no previous technical knowledge of modifying Android devices that gets themselves into trouble as a result of their inexperience and/or inability to fully educate themselves in the task at hand before attempting it, that...

a) ...takes personal responsibility for the mistake they have made and takes the necessary steps to remedy the situation in the same way they got into that situation in the first place...

without the help of someone more qualified

.

b) ...understands they are in way over their head, and can (as humbly as possible) ask the appropriate questions (without assumption), and give as much detail as humanly possible about the situation, what they understand or don't understand about the situation, and what they have tried to remedy the situation on their own, so the person trying to help wouldn't have to ask 50 questions before getting to the

actual

problem.

c) ...is neither a nor b and asks for step-by-step instructions.

Or, metaphorically...

Is it reasonable to try and remodel your home, screw everything up, and expect a licensed contractor to volunteer their time, free of charge, and tell you step-by-step how to fix it, or is it more reasonable to be very thankful to anyone who, out of kindness, gives any help at all? (even if it isn't the kind of help you want)

Let's be reasonable. ;)

"That's a special kind of stupid. The kind that makes me laugh."
[Kindle Fire General] :
I have a tile saw. Do you want me to come over and we can redo the bathroom?

Sent from my GT-N7000000000 using Tapastalker 2
[Kindle Fire General] reincarnut:
Kindness, my ass! If that is the real reason why people "help" newbies out here, I must be the on the wrong planet or something. I help people to feel good about myself, in case you are wondering ~ and I wouldn't put most people here past that, no offence :)

Sent from my solar powered potato using a safety pin (I know)

---------- Post added at 12:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:38 AM ----------

And I'd like make a how-to video while you guys go about the remodelling. Some noob stuck with a bad bathroom might find it useful!

Sent from my solar powered potato using a safety pin (I know)
[Kindle Fire General] :
Super! I'll buy you some candy.
[Kindle Fire General] Codewired:
not gonna lie i was one of these people. But after a few hours of reading I didnt have to ask any questions, the answers is out their just gotta find it.
[Kindle Fire General] Mustachio:
Haha Great!

I chuckled reading this thread and figured maybe I should finally post my first post on xda. I've been a member since 2010 but I've never needed to ask a real question because I've always been able to find my answer. This forum is such a plethora of great information! Although I have had to scroll through a ton of posts of people that are lost and couldn't figure things out by reading. I should really try to post more often and help answer some peoples questions that are new to android. I don't totally blame people that get stuck , some of this stuff is rather technical and if they are new to these types of things I can imagine it can be daunting.

But that doesn't mean we can't chuckle a little bit about the circular reasoning and passive aggressive posts! :D Happens on every forum nearly!

I've been rooted since my original G1 back in 2010 and since have rooted a bunch of phones and tablets with out much problems, (nothing I couldn't fix after a few quick searches on XDA) I even have done some app development. I got into programing in a few languages back in the mid 90's and then got into 2d and 3d design in the early 2000's and recently have started electronic design and engineering in the last few years (an early passion in my life revisited.) So I think all of that has helped me to not ask questions when it comes to getting my phone or tablet running custom firmware and software. That being said go easy on the new non techies , in some way they just want to better themselves ;) haha.

Thanks for the funny post haha!
[Kindle Fire General] Vintage144:
Funny you left out "this is my friends kindle (DEVICE) " specifically not there's, that way you appear to be a noob. Due to contest belief this isn't a help site for noobs its mainly for developers and thankfully these guys help us out! They don't have to, it gets frustrating when you have to tell people twenty times to read simple guided, that means read the whole guide, not I read that, I need this though!

**big thumbs**
[Kindle Fire General] Guitarman:
Lol......dang "noons"
[Kindle Fire General] nickabear:
Some people don't like to search topics I guess which is funny because its easier to search and find the answer than wait for a reply
[Kindle Fire General] :
Hahaha! Can't stop laughing
[Kindle Fire General] veeman:
Can you help me root my iPad?

Sent from my iPad Air using Windows 95
[Kindle Fire General] :
Cracked!

Sent from my toilet using toilet paper
[Kindle Fire General] firered365:
How is your iPad running windows 95?! I need to get one now!
[Kindle Fire General] :
I don't know but I'm running windows 57 on my Nokia 3310
[Kindle Fire General] Mineturtle33:
I just died. It's so true.

Sent from my 2013 Kindle Fire HD with Tapatalk
[Kindle Fire General] :
Perfect! That clarifies my point that gadgets exist in heaven!
[Kindle Fire General] :
Hey can anyone help me out with making a rom for my galaxy note 865646889595? I'm trying to make cm 2808958887595852489 @ Android 25555884188962886555245544112698.6688866.72
[Kindle Fire General] deathnotice01:
Did you unlock the bootloader and installed fastboot?

[A gorilla dies for every smartphone.

Stop using gorilla glass and save planet earth]
[Kindle Fire General] :
Can u help me?
[Kindle Fire General] chrisjbell:
You KF dudes are pretty good writers. I'm diggin' this...

About a million years ago I did various types of tech support, which is essentially what this is all about. It continues to amaze me that people that are not qualified to do something figure that they should be able to get someone else to lead them by the... hand, for free. Seriously?

Well, yes, people do expect that in just about every part of life, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Funny OP, good replies to the folks that didn't like it. They should go read the BOFH essays - but wouldn't think they were funny, either. Thanks for the chuckle.
[Kindle Fire General] veeman:
How to do that?

Sent from my iPad Air using Windows 95
[Kindle Fire General] veeman:
I don't know where to buy crack.

Sent from my iPad Air using Windows 95
[Kindle Fire General] :
You go to 7th and Alverado street

Sent from Nexus 5 (?) on Slimkat
[Kindle Fire General] veeman:
Oh, ok. So do you know where I can buy a coca plant? :|
[Kindle Fire General] :
Near a mulberry bush in Mars

BTW no one helping me with making a rom for my galaxy note 865646889595? I'm trying to make cm 2808958887595852489 @ Android 25555884188962886555245544112698.6688866.72
[Kindle Fire General] deathnotice01:
You can buy apple care. For only $1000 you can have guaranteed tech support and a personal steve jobs is god shirt.

[A gorilla dies for every smartphone.

Stop using gorilla glass and save planet earth]
[Kindle Fire General] Ryan11271:
I have a friend that perfectly fits the description of all the noobs combined
[Miscellaneous Android Development] gabitu13:
Hi sliper123

Thanks a lot for your great job. I had the GSmart_G1345_V1.4.2_EEU rom and I put yours rooted rom G1345-CWM-1.4.2_EEU as easily as you said. Every thing was fine in first day but... after that my phone reboot 4-5 times per day apparently without reason.

Do you have any ideea?

Thanks.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] ronchang:
i guess its a rom issue. maybe u should clear cache or something not really sure. does this also happen on a non rooted rom? in my case when i used 1.4.2 rom i also experienced random reboots thats why i switched to 56.4 eeu rom and never experience any random reboots.

sorry for editing cant post on dev page due to minimum posts, but would like to know if there is a way to port ics of gsmart g1342 to our g1345?
[Miscellaneous Android Development] sliper123:
This issue may be caused by the short circuit (some devices of this model have this issue and it's confirmed by Gigabyte; you may call for service if this happens not only on RootROM, but also on the original ROM) or may be derived from the original ROM, which has been used as a base for RootROM.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] gabitu13:
Problem solved

Hi guys and thanks for your interest.

I have read your post and after that I decided to switch the sims. Fortunately, I have not experiencing any reboot. Thanks again.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] jonah666:
Hi, Your rom works fine, but how can I return to stock rom or how can I create my custom update files for CWM recovery???

May I Open update1.zip and delete all except META-INF, system and boot.img?

I need restore /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq to 245760, 122880 is bad. But I don´t know how....

Thanks for Your answer.