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[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
The Nexus Verizon version will NOT work at all on AT&T, period. All of the frequencies that it operates on are no compatible with att... the only one that you might be able to use and get edge on ATT is the TMO version of that phone.

If you want all those things you mentioned then the SGS 3 is THE contender, it has all of the NFC, CUSTOM ROMS, LTE, price point on contract, etc...

Just my 2 pennies.

Oh, and I absolutely will NOT give up my SGS 3 for ANY other phone that is around right now. It is absolutely the phone I have been waiting for, and not literally, figuratively, meaning all the features I have been looking for, for some time now.

Technically the Nexus 4g does not have LTE, just FYI.
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
Decisions. Decisions.

The idea about getting the Nexus on AT&T was to be able to afford to keep the Atrix 2 and pay $50 in taxes. The SGS3 has it all except price-point for me. I'd have to pony up $160 +trade for the SGS3. The One X splits the difference coming to $60 + trade out the door.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
What about this one:

http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/samsung/galaxy-s-ii-skyrocket-black.html#fbid=UR7vmuf25As

It is the LTE version of the SGS2 on ATT... it has 90% of what you want, I think minus NFC. You still get all the ROMS and everything else minus I think the 720P HD display that the SGS 3 has and a 4.6 instead of 4.7+ inch screen.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Not at all trying to follow the "SG3" crowd, but I too have been eyeballing other phones in my own frustrations with the ATRIX 2 for a long while, and since getting my SG3, it is simply mind blowing. Aside from the TouchWiz crap (I've not had the chance to root yet, since I'm traveling and only just got it on Sunday) and a minimal amount of bloat, this phone is killer. Just as with anything in life, you get what you pay for. I would have paid more for the SG3 had I needed to, but since I sold back my ATRIX 2 and still have my girlfriend's one, I got off pretty well. But, there are other considerations out tgere, just for me at least, I thought I deserved a nice new toy for working my thankless stupid job which has me away from home going on 4 weeks straight now. I would have probably even sold back my ATRIX 2 even had I not had another to use as a backup, though at the time probably would have been a little upset about that idea. Now, only less than a week with the SG3, it would have been well worth it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-MOTO Ballistic Missile
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
That is a contender as well. I really mean it when I say ICS on the ATRIX really brings the phone to life. Its a crying shame we can't get the BL unlocked. I'm still kinda leaning towards the One X. Its just a question of how well it will be supported by the dev scene in the near future. I did see tales of the BL being unlocked but there seems to be an uncertain future.
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
@Strider

I've been back and forth with choosing the SGS3 for the obvious reasons. I'm just not prepared for the cash outlay right now. Also not a huge fan of the button layout. Who knows. We'll see soon enough. It IS tempting and there IS alot to like.
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
Sony Xperia Ion

The sony Xperia Ion looks like a contender as well. I'm gonna get my hands on it tomorrow. The screen and camera looks worthy. Also I've heard good things in the works from the Cyanogenmod team. At $68 out the door I can keep my Atrix 2. Opinions?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
I thought about that, but it comes with GB on it. So to me that is a huge mess up, when ICS is on most all new phones now.
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
Today's the Day

True. ICS should be out very shortly for it though. It also seems like a nice light skin Sony put on top at least. With the unlimited data plan I have, an LTE phone is definitely the way to go for me. That, and the Camera / Sound / Design are the biggest selling points. Plus it has NFC. Of course a major boon (for me) is keeping the Atrix 2. With 6 phone lines I've never been able to keep a backup very long without one phone getting lost/stolen or broken. Everybody's phones here are either new or newish now. I'm looking forward to having a backup plan so I can get more daring with development on each of these two phones, (the rest are mostly iPhones). I'm going to go get it in a few hours unless I get my hands on it and it just feels all wrong. Metal back sounds cool though. I bet it feels solid in the hand. If not, the saga will continue.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
Ladies and gentlemen this totally freakin works!!! Thanks jim. The man at the counter must of thought I was cute because he gave me more accessories than 150 bucks and a phone worth more than 150 bucks for only............ you guessed it, $150.

Atrix HD, car charger, television dock and a gps looking car dock, an otter box knock off, a screen protector, and a stand alone speaker......$1freaking50. The galaxy s 3 would have been 250 but I really need an hdmi out. And this phone spanked it in quadrant.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Pancakes_Gio:
HTC One X:D
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
No sdcard? What was HTC thinking...? :confused:

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-MOTO Ballistic Missile
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
But tell us about the bootloader! :p

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-MOTO Ballistic Missile
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
When I was at the store I told the guy I can't use a phone with no SD. He replied 60GB dropbox. I don't know how HTC would make money off of people using more data; and apparently they don't know about the spectrum shortage. Either way they shot themselves in the foot. I carry around 8GB of music and I don't expect to be in a good cell just to listen to it. In fact data won't penetrate some of the lab where I work and that is where I play the most music. FAIL!!!

Also I think they are trying to be Apple in by making the phone as compact as possible (and no SD card so you are forced to use cloud services). The screen was very small, and the battery isn't the common pop out kind; I don't know how that makes a phone smaller but that's what they said.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Preggy:
Hey Guys

I currently pretty satified with my Atrix 2 (that is if the soak test is going to start soon :p) but my contract is running out in December and I already have found a pretty neat new contract where I could get a new phone for a pretty good deal. Until now I considered getting a Galaxy Nexus with it (for free! :)) but after checking it out in person I found I don't like the plastic frame and overall cheapish feeling around the back of it and of course the fact that there is no SD-card slot (a big WTF here to all maufacturers who thought this would be a good idea...).

So now I'm tending more to the SGS 3 which I could get for about 120$, the thing is just that I didn't like the SGS2 at all and I'm just not too sympathetic towards the SGS3 or any purely Samsung phone. The other problem is that I can't hold off on the new contract.

So the plan is now to get a SGS3, keep the Atrix 2 (hopefully on ICS till then) sell the SGS3 and get the next Google Nexus with the Cash... :silly: :laugh:

Does anyone know when we can expect the next Nexus Phone? I quickly looked up the release dates of the previous Nexuses (?) and according to those the next one should be more or less right around the corner :fingers-crossed: :p
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
It will be a moto phone this year, so expect them to screw it up somehow, and lock something on it, similar to how they do with all the Moto "google experience" devices. It will most likely only be on verizon as well... ATT does not usually get Nexus phones, or even frequencies that will work well on a GSM/LTE network.

I will be totally honest here, I HATED the SGS 2 and the skyrocket for that matter as well, and I had a captivate, but I was not a big fan of it either the battery life was horrible, and the screen got burn in and other things, but that was just an AMOled and not a SuperAMOled. But, I LOVE my SGS 3 and people complain about pentile displays, but I can not see the issues with the screen on the SGS 3, like I have seen in the past. I also get AMAZING battery life with it, I am switching between CM9 and CM10 every few days, and the phone feels SOLID, it does not feel cheap like past Galaxies. The SGS 3 is basically last years Nexus, and then some, but it has LTE that works on AT&T.

Jut my thoughts on the subject here.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Preggy:
Thank you for your opinion. I think I'll get the SGS3 and afterwards maybe see about that nexus :p

I thought it was kinda the style of nexus phones to be more open to modifications since they are the ones that represent that pure Android-experience, at least that's the feeling I've got, or is that more coincidence since the past Nexuses have been made by Samsung and HTC?

In that case a locked down Motorola-brick would be a real combobreaker, can Google afford such a thing?

(BTW I'm not really dependent on whether ATT gets anything since I'm in Switzerland actually (then again we only have GSM/LTE here:silly:) :cyclops:)
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Howdy Jim!

So, you're switching from CM9 to CM10, are you using any particular kernel along with it, or the one(s) for the CM builds? I'm getting set to root my SG3, just downloading all the necessities right now... :good:

Oh, and I'm assuming you're using the Odin for *Nix, yeah? I guess I should just use the most current version for Windows -there's like 4 different versions.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Actually the ODIN for *NIX (heimdall), is not working with the SGS3 yet, so once again I actually had to boot up my bootcamp partition on my 17" macbook pro. :(

Yes the latest version works perfectly with the SGS3.

I am right now running the standard CM kernel since I keep going back and forth between dailies of CM9 and CM10, but koontsez KT747 kernel is very nice, I loaded it after I installed CM9 a week or so ago, and it was very NICE. Since CM flashes it's own kernel, I have been lazy and just keep it with the stock CM9/10 kernel and it is fast enough for me right now and really smooth.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
To be honest (about to speak blasphemy on XDA) I don't care about unlocking and ROMing if the device works good. Every Rom I tried on the inspire 4G was worse than the stock ROM. There was always something that wouldn't work. That said I cant even get device drivers loaded onto Ubuntu, let alone look into unlocking the bootloader. I just want a phone that does as much as possible, as easy as possible. The Atrix HD seems to have a really short in use battery life and it looses the ringtones and notification every time I plug it into a USB port. I found out that you have to move the files to internal storage. That's strike one and two on this phone. Most users aren't going to know to do that. Moto really, really, F>>>ing really needs to beta test their products rather than dropping them into a toilet, drying them off, and polishing them.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Infekxion:
I think Google only bought Moto for their patents and I sure hope that they don't build the next Nexus (MotoFails at bootloader). If G has learned anything, it would be to not give exclusivity to any carrier because Big Red didn't do squat to push the GNex. I agree with you about pentile displays, people hear it and think "yuck, pentile?" but don't realize how much it has improved and how it works very well.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
The only difference I can see from the ATRIX 2 compared to the SG3 is that the display, pentiled on the SG3, looks so much more crisp and clear than that of the A2. "Pentiled" displays may have a certain stigma about them, but like you said, they have come a long, long way. I can't even begin to complain about the display on my SG3, it is truly awesome -along with everything else about the phone...
[Motorola Atrix 2] Preggy:
Hi Apex

Something I forgot to ask earlier and something that really bothered me with the sgs2....

How is the feel of the sgs3? Does it mainly consist of plastic or does it have a metal frame or something like that? What I basically mean is, does it feel cheap(ish)?

That's what I hated about the sgs2 with it's weight and the all plastic housing it felt extremely cheap...
[Motorola Atrix 2] cloudedhopes:
time for a change?

@jim - thanks for your suggestion with AT&T... i'm going to try that out in a couple of days, or lets say as soon as i can manage! hopefully they'll be somewhat considerate and let me upgrade :)

my atrix 2 has been randomly rebooting - which is fine if i'm not using it, but today it happened during a call and i got a bit frustrated...now i'm considering strongly sgs3, just that i like how the one x "looks"...

its all about form over features i guess, or other way around :)
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Aside from the thin back plate (feels a bit on the "cheapish" side) the phone is solid and feels great. The SGS3 is very thin to begin with, so it's not going to have the 'bulky' feel of the ATRIX 2, nor will it have the same weight. I have ordered a new back plate for it -not the metal type, since I don't want to have any concerns with the antennae being interfered with- and should receive it within the next few days. I also have the Otterbox "Defender" Series case on it, as my job is rather taxing on phones, and myself! So, that gives the phone nice weight, feel and comfort. The SGS3 is a beast, I rooted yesterday, installed CWM and am on CM9 Night-lies now, and all I can say is that it is the best Android experience I've ever seen or enjoyed myself. :cool:

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I had a ton of issues with the OG Atrix 4G with random reboots, and I didn't even have it rooted or running custom anything. I have seen that a few times on my A2, long ago before rooting and modding the snot out of it. I think, though I may be wrong, that it is just something inherent with the Atrix phones, especially the first Atrix.

Remember that the One X has a sealed or "embedded" battery (cannot remove it) and has no external sdcard slot. BIG deal breakers for me, but if you don't care about wither of those, I suppose it's not too bad of a phone...
[Motorola Atrix 2] A1deN:
I wanna do the same. Don't get me wrong I love my A2, but I want something with more development capabilities. If moto would just unlock bootloader.....
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Dude, if you can score it, get the SGS3. I trusted Jim (as I always do in anything he recommends) and got myself one, and it is a beast! I rooted yesterday after running stock, and by the way, the stock ain't all that bad, aside from a few things that are a bit annoying- but now running CM9 official builds on it, and all I can say is holy freaking wow! I still have a backup A2, and am eagerly awaiting ICS like the rest, and to see what aweomesauce the devs come up with based off the new ICS kernel possibilities!
[Motorola Atrix 2] A1deN:
Yeah thats what I was looking into getting. I'm just not eligible for an upgrade, but im going to still try. If anything tho I'll prolly just use an upgrade from another line on my contract which should be eligible in a month or so. It would be pretty sweet to run a CM9 official build.
[Motorola Atrix 2] fran7382:
Hey everyone,

I've had my Atrix 2 since about October 2011, and I'm surprised I've lasted this long without breaking it. It's an extremely solid device, the only problem being the pesky bootloader...

I've got my eyes on the Galaxy S3, but sadly I'm still on contract. What would be the cheapest way to get it? I'm willing to trade in/sell my Atrix 2, but would I get more for it if I went to Best Buy, or AT&T? Any answer are appreciated!
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
You could try and talk your service provider into an early upgrade. If you're with AT&T, they will buy back your old Atrix 2, assuming it's in good condition, for a reasonable amount. It never hurts to ask, especially if you have been under service contract with your provider for a long while. If all else fails, go into your local retail store of your provider and tell them what you want, see what they say, and if it's not to your liking, just tell them that you are going to leave their store and go directly to a competitor's store and start new service with them. If, like mentioned, you're on AT&T, they don't like hearing that kind of thing...

Also, the SGS3 is freaking incredible. Running CM9 (Official) on it right now, and after 10 or so hours, my battery is at 50% with my "normal" moderate to heavy usage. It's super fast, super smooth, and so much out there as far as development that just makes the phone the best out there now, IMHO...
[Motorola Atrix 2] fran7382:
The battery life and CM9 are what's drawing me to it... I don't know why but I can never make it past 7 hours with my A2, even with little to no use :(

But I'll try that and go to AT&T, I haven't been with them for very long so I'll see what I can get. Thanks for the quick reply!
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
Hey Fran, how many mV are you using when idle (no special apps)? If you leave wifi and bluetooth on normally what's your mV usage with one/both on? You should be able to download any battery widget to find out if you don't already have on.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
It could be a number of different things to attribute to diminished battery life. Wifi, Bluetooth, signal, rogue applications, brightness, miscellaneous settings, etc. I was never really impressed with the battery life on the Atrix 2, but I also use the crud out of my phone daily. But I agree, a good place to start is with Watchdog Lite or some battery monitoring application. Watchdog though will monitor just about everything, not just apps (system processes, etc.)...
[Motorola Atrix 2] valent|n0:
any suggestion to a cheap motorola that will have jelly bean rom?

$150 - $200 USD ? :)
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
I would recommend to stay as far away from Motorola phones as possible. If you want jelly bean now, go get a used nexus phone, that is about the only thing you will be able to get at that price that is anything decent and has devs. Other wise if you want new get an SGS3 and you can run CM10 right now which is jelly bean.
[Motorola Atrix 2] mattbourge:
I second the recommendation above to stay away from Motorola. Their phones fall apart, Samsung makes the best hardware, horrible software, so Samsung phone(S3/Galaxy Nexus) with custom ROM is your best bet.
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
I'm liking the Sony Xperia Ion. $29 + tax at BestBuy. $68 out the door!

Sent from my LT28at
[Motorola Atrix 2] Drgravy:
as far as I know the only motorola device with jelly bean is the xoom tablet

all the rest of motorala devices probably wont see it for another 12 months and beyond

I wouldn't buy a motorola even with your money
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
+1

(And lol'd a little!)
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
I was getting to that spider. I was going to let them answer so I could explain how to find out which application was an issue, but only if the mV being pulled were greater than 4200. If the mV being pulled were low but life is short, then the battery itself would be the issue.

But since we're on the subject, if you know the voltage being used, amperage output (should be a constant), and mah (milli amp hours) of the battery you can calculate the hours it should run at that mV rate. One site says it has 1785mah but I can't find amperage (should be printed on battery). That said if you use the "battery widget" by "elvision" you can see the mV being used; then you can use the "OS monitor" (I don't know the developers name) to see which apps are using more memory and processor. Kill the apps that use the most resources but aren't necessary apps for the system. Then go back to "battery widget" and see what difference the change made. There is a 3000mAh and a 4000mAh battery available for this phone. If this helps you hit thanks button; I don't want to be a noob forever:)
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
I see where you are going with this, but in assuming that the problem is simply an application (as how I'm reading the above) that doesn't really cover all the known usual suspects here, does it? All I'm suggesting is that there are several noted possibilities for rapid battery discharge, and the need to explore all of these, as it might not simply be limited to only one -it could be any combination of those possibilities aforementioned.

I understand that the discharge rate depends on the milliamp-hours rating as well as the load the the battery is subjected to. By only finding out the mV for the battery used is merely an academic exercise and nothing more, if not taking into account the other probable causes. Indeed, it could be a rogue app or and application with corrupted app data on the /sdcard or both, but perhaps not. (?) When facing noticeably unacceptable discharging rates, you can't rule out anything, and since there's a handful of likelihoods in the reasons for this it's a pain in the (you know what). But, as we both have seemed to veer off topic, might I still stand by my endorsement of the SGS3 -it's a bad mf'er!

_Spider :silly:
[Motorola Atrix 2] fran7382:
I just checked the mV using the BatteryLife widget, and it says 4117 mV.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
You still might try turning some stuff off. My ATRIX 2 generally used 39xx.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Preggy:
I got mine last friday slapped on a clean AOSP-JB ROM and holy fudge :D

Unfortunately I found a cluster of fine scratches on the display today which couldn't have gotten there after unpacking :(

Gonna get it replaced tomorrow :silly:
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
I've read over in the SGS3 forums about the screen getting very fine scratches on it from what most people say as "no real reason". I had mine for a week before putting a case on it (Otterbox Defender Series) and have no scratches on mine - that I know of. Surely there's nothing wrong with the Gorilla Glass, but it has been noted that there are concerns with finding these tiny scratches with the SGS3... :confused:
[Motorola Atrix 2] fran7382:
How's the display on the SGS3 compared to the display on the Atrix 2? (Brightness/Pixel Density) I've heard some people say the display on the SGS3 is dim.

Sent from my ATRIX 2 running ICS :D
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Stock TouchWiz setting are junk, but after rooting and running CM9 official nitghtlies, the display is freaking sweet. I run mine at about 25-30% brightness, which at that setting, colors are vivid, text and lines are crisp, and it really blows the A2 away. Granted, it's pentiled, the display is amazingly well done. No complaints from my experiences. I still endorse this phone above all the others -and I've done extensive "test drives" of comparable phones...
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
I'm curious. How did the display compare to the Xperia Ion for you?

Sent from my LT28at
[Motorola Atrix 2] rajeev26:
atrix2

m thinking to buy atrix 2 is it a gud buy at this time
[Motorola Atrix 2] Drgravy:
It depends what you are looking for?

if you want a phone that you can flash custom kernels, custom roms then no

This phone has a locked bootloader

if you are just a basic user and just want a solid phone then yes

there are some pretty sweet stock based roms for this phone

I will never get a phone with a locked bootloader again
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
I'm not a fan of Sony, so I didn't really look to hard at this one. The screen resolution seemed identical to the HTC One X, but the pixels per inch aren’t quite as high on this slightly bigger screen, but both displays looked lush and inviting, with this one winning in terms of bright, rich colors...
[Motorola Atrix 2] gabo_e30:
Have u done tests on the LG Optimus 4X? If so what do u think compared to the SG3?
[Motorola Atrix 2] Jswiss8608:
Jim another thanks for the idea to ask for upgrades. I will try it and see what happens.

Thanks again. I have been itching for something different.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jeffdaman:
After 3 weeks of using the Atrix HD it started locking up, crashing, having SD card issues, loosing wifi.....etc etc... just like Atrix 2. I took it back and got the Galaxy III. Fool me twice Moto, shame on me.