yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
check back on November 2012, they always release new (old flagship international quad band model of the same phone as) AWS 1700 phone at that time of the year
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trilaxx:
Does the phone have both the 1700 and 2100 bands, cant find a real spec list.

Thanks
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] royale192:
Here are some websites. I was looking for the same thing.

http://gdgt.com/samsung/galaxy/s/iii/specs/

https://negrielectronics.com/samsun...nlocked-pebble-blue.html#.T6Ldklc6aUs.twitter
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trilaxx:
Ya i saw both those sites, not that i dont trust them just they may be worng.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saltmine:
The UNPACKED app says:

Which contradicts many websites which say 1700 will be included. Really hope Samsung's app is wrong...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Twisted Tom:
I'm really hoping that is wrong as well. Would love to use this beast on Tmobile!

Excuse the noobish question, but to make sure I have this right - You need both 1700 and 2100 bands for the 3g or 4g to work at all, correct? Was looking into buying it once its released but that may be a deal breaker if no speedy internet.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saltmine:
Yes, you need both, or you will be stuck using EDGE if you are on T-Mobile US.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolairG1:
I want to know the same, if the intentional version will surely work on Tmobile.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alaasagar:
I'd like to know about that as well
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elite49:
I think everyone here just wants to know when the hell it'll be coming out to our own carriers. I need a new phone but I'm not waiting until Fall for one.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkeyes:
Doesn't t-mobile uses the 1700/2100 for 3G and 2100 for 4G? so it would be EDGE and 4G.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Twisted Tom:
So your implying that 4g will in fact work? I thought you needed both bands for 4g to work.

I'm in the Philadelphia area and really need to know if this will work or not.

If I can get 4g, ill be preordering the phone asap. If not.... I'm still undecided.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkeyes:
nope, im asking if thats the case. i need to ask the dude that know, since he is the manager at the t-mo store if thats rite. but t-mo one should be coming out in month or two.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eksasol:
What T-Mobile calls 4G is really their 3G HPSA network. They have not yet rolled out LTE. So for you to get the T-Mo 3G, you need the phone to support 1700/2100 band, which I am not sure the international SIII model does, but I'm almost certain it does not. Therefore, you will only get 2G (EDGE) speed, which is around 10-15kilobytes per second download, good enough for web browsing and loading Google Maps, it's about 3 times faster than 56k modem.

The T-Mobile-locked model will support the HPSA+ 42Mbps speed and AT&T version will have LTE of course. Now whether if when this phone get released for T-Mobile and somehow it will preemptively support their future LTE service (launch in 2013), then that would be interesting (which inherently the hardware does support LTE due to the Qualcomm S4 chip to be used in American models). What I predict they will do is like with the Galaxy Vibrant -> Galaxy S 4G, so first release the HSPA+ only version, then release a slightly modified version that support LTE.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebobp:
http://www.samsungmobilepress.com/2012/05/04/GALAXY-S-III

If this doesn't confirm lack of 1700, nothing does.

So basically, count on the international version not being usable (besides EDGE) on T-mobile. You'll have to wait for them to up with their own version.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ArcticWolf91:
Dammit why does T-mobile use such obscure frequencies!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
Who knows. As pointed out before they are reconstructing their network.... We'll see if the 2100 becomes the only band needed

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To each their own.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spridell:
GSM Arena says no 1700

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-4238.php
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitrogen618:
Tmo loves to be special...

Well... The good news is the Note will be released on Tmo... :O
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nory82688:
This news ruined my day lol now if we want the damn phone, we have to have the qualcom s4 in it.... I was really hoping it was going to work. I wanted exynos ... depressed ...:(
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lantek23:
Take a look at this website it said 4g

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...ic&utm_term=SAMi9300BKEU&utm_campaign=froogle
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkeyes:
all we can do is wait and see if its an t-mo mobile modem can be flashed to it, like in the att note and skyrocket was. or just wait for the t-mo to have one.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nory82688:
Ahh! I'm so confused now lol too many contradictions ! It would be fantastic if this site was correct
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitrogen618:
This

Data Compatibility: 850 / 1900 MHz (AT&T USA 3G), 900 / 2100 MHz (Europe 3G Standard), HSPA+ 1700 / 2100 MHz (T-Mobile USA 4G), HSPA+ 850 / 2100 MHz (AT&T USA 4G)

contradict this

Key Product Features

GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100

HSPA+ 21 Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps

Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi Direct, Wi-Fi hotspot

8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels/ secondary 1.9 MP

1.4 GHz Quad-core Exynos Chip

GPS with A-GPS support

2100mAh (wireless charging optional extra)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
I think that with T mobiles re farming we will see compatability

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To each their own.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ArcticWolf91:
Same here. I was going to get it for sure.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trailblazerz11:
Woot. The refarming for lte might allow it to work.

'Due later in the year, as expected, is 4G HSPA+ on the 1900 MHz band'
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SalsaForte:
Here is the answer:

http://www.videotron.com/service/mo...promo=AccueilAppareilTMO_0512_SamsungGalaxyS3

Vidéotron use the same 4g band as t-Mobile (aws, umts band 4).

I'm surprised T-Mobile haven't announced it officially yet.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkeyes:
get the canada one, go here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1641431 to thank dude for info

more info on mobilicity and they use the 1700/2100 as t-mo

http://mobilicity.ca/newsroom/mobilicity-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
Wait so its the same specs just with the added 1700 band? not S4?

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To each their own.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkeyes:
they are an pre-pay company and the website doesnt say anything about LTE. so hopefully it doesnt get gimped but they are pre-pay so idk. hope for the best.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebobp:
Good news: http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-HSPA-network-to-support-the-iPhone-by-year-end_id29897

These are the same frequencies as the S3 so, assuming that the author did his research correctly, this means that the S3, as well as the Note and a bunch of other Samsung international phones, would support t-mobile hspa by year-end.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] naddie:
I'd like to see what the T-Mo variant looks like. It's that or wait until T-Mo flips the switch for 1900 MHz HSPA+.

I'd feel more comfortable with a phone that can utilize at least 2 bands for HSPA+ (850/1900 ala AT&T, 1700/1900 ala some Tmo phones), but I'd settle for a single usable band. :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gentleman559:
Yes, 1700 and 2100 are both needed to acquire a 3G, 4G connection. 2100 is upload and 1700 is download. Hope this helps. If 1700 is not present you will only be able to get Edge speeds.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
All of the websites that show the s3 having T-Mobile US support are accounting for the fact that there will be a version for T-Mobile US. They are not saying that the international version will work on T-Mobile US.
[HTC Inspire 4G] StockDC2:
Hello, I just traded for an HTC Inspire and am doing some research on how to root it. I went through the official thread on this forum and can't find a link that works. Can anyone shed some light on where I can get the files? Thanks.
[HTC Inspire 4G] marsdta:
Just use the EU mirror
[HTC Inspire 4G] StockDC2:
Doh! Didn't think of that. Thought that there were two separate files for different Inspire versions (i.e U.S. and EU).

Thanks so much for your help!
[HTC Inspire 4G] Agoattamer:
Mirrors are different but the files are EXACTLY the same.
[HTC Inspire 4G] graewulf1:
I found it by doing a google search, and the first link that was returned worked.
[HTC Inspire 4G] pazzo02:
There's only one version of the Inspire. No such thing as an EU version. That would be a DesireHD.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 8723045587230455:
How can I make it transparency,I can not found the image file for status bar

in systemUI,I just want to make the status bar to transparency.

If someone knows,please tell me. Thank you!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
Here you go, it was done in earlier 4.0.3 builds, but I don't know that anyone updated this for 4.0.4. I used it and worked great.

See if you can get someone to update this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1409540&goto=newpost

Or you could follow that guide and use the latest sources for everyone who wants this too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 8723045587230455:
Thank you so much :)
[HTC Jetstream] aka.karasawa:
Is it truly necessary to have the OTG usb cable? I currently have a powered hub. Shouldn't I be able to use the provided JetStream usb cable and tie the devices together through the hub?
[HTC Jetstream] kailashpchhabria:
Hi, sorry for delay, was out for an exam.

I don't know if or not it will work. As I said I have just researched and seen what others have implemented and put it together.

Perhaps you could try and let us all know because I don't have a USB Hub (powered or otherwise) and hence have not tried it out.
[HTC Jetstream] dormankenneth:
This all seems a little much for OTG support considering it was just plug and play with my SGS2 and also my SGS4G. I am hoping to see some more development in this area as this type of support is nice to have on a tablet of this caliber.;)
[HTC Jetstream] Notontherugman:
Tried this... it didn't work :(
[Android Apps and Games] frimped:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fp.simpleff

This is my first android app: Simple Friend Finder.. any comments/suggestions about it?

The google play description below:

Finding your friends just got easier!

If you know their phone number, this app will allow you to find their location with the touch of a button for free as long as they have this app!

This is NOT a stalking app!

If you send a request to a friend and they dont have this app, a link will be sent to them via SMS (with your permission)

This app is NOT ONLINE BASED. NONE of your information is ever shared with anybody unless you explicitly share it. Online access is ONLY used to download tiles for the Friends Map and images for Street View.

Works with ALL carriers and ALL android phones!

**FEATURES**

->Request Location - Ask a friend for their location

->Allowed list - Shows you people who allowed you to see their location, plus how far away they are from you

->Navigate - Allows you to navigate to a friend's location via GPS

->Street View - Allows you to see a panoramic image of where your friend is

->Friend Map - Allows you to see on a physical map where your friend is and a blue line connecting you to them.

->Map Texture - Allows you to switch the Friend Map texture from a satellite view to textured view and vice versa

->Update Location - Allows you to send an updated location to a friend

->Revoke Location - Allows you to pull your location from somebody you allowed access to your location

->Blacklist - Allows you to block certain people from requesting your location

->Privacy Setting - Blocks anybody who is not in your contacts from finding your location or Allows anybody to ask you for your location

More features will be coming soon!

**EXTRA FEATURE**

->Busy Mode - Puts phone into vibrate mode and automatically responds to text messages with your pre-determined message when activated

**More detailed explanation of features**

You can send a location request to someone asking for their location. If they accept your request, then you get access to their location.With that access, you can navigate to them via GPS,look at where they are with STREET VIEW, look at them on the Friend Map or send them an update on your location.

You can add people to your blacklist and block them from ever sending you a location request as well as revoke your location from individuals (in-case you don't want them to have access to your location anymore)

**DISCLAIMER**

The location/ points given to you from this app does not automatically continuously update (It DOES NOT allow you to stalk a person). All locations point to where the person was when they accepted your location request.

**Optimal Usage**

Read the startup screen (It only appears ONCE)

if you are using GoSMS, disable the option "disable other messaging app notifications"

Turn your GPS off if you are indoors, turn it on if you are outdoors for a more accurate location

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fp.simpleff
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] andrewsnh:
I have a problem with USSD requests on some firmware.

It is not work correct - USSD answer look like HEX dump preview of binary file :)

I try MIUI , Juggernaut 5 and few other = same result.

All leaks ICS 4.0.3 work fine, but I need multilingual support (i need russian) and leaks ICS firmware doesn't have this :( (Morelocale2 can't help, because firmware did not contains language resources)

So, can anyone help me?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] truth77:
Ok this is pics of my apk of the ics camera and it takes pics and can record hd video without crashing, no panoramic cam tho! The problem is the dpi. The dpi looks bad in tablet mode! So my question is can a dev make the dpi on this app work with tablet mode on their rom without it crashing the video recording, or making it blurry while trying to record? I will give it to the devs to download it and see if you can work your magic.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Dsmforlife92:
Post a link and will try to modify
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] truth77:
I had a link but I took it down and gave it directly to the devs! I was drinking watching the thunder roll lol! Realized I prob shouldn't have done that ;-)

Maybe if would have got 1 thanks out of 180 views I would have left it lol :-D jk
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
Yes but does this record better than stock camera?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] truth77:
Yes the only thing wrong is the dpi so you can't change settings and panorama but if the devs fix dpi we're good! Screw panorama lol IMHO :-D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Dsmforlife92:
Post the apk please I don't see no one working on this. I want to mess around with it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wish777:
i hear ya on that...im getting sick of trying to help people or posting stuff get 100 views and not one thanks,,,,im about to pull my stuff off as well,,lmao...pm me the apk..i would love to have it...:D
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fadownjoo:
I'm wondering if it's possible to change the build.prop or something else to be able to play tegra 3 games. I'm interested in how it would run with an overclock , I was able to play tegra 2 games with my overclocked single core nook color ...
[T-Mobile LG G2x] kwes1020:
Never know till you try.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fadownjoo:
Idk how, what would I change in there ? Someone point me towards done info please?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Yuhfhrh:
I'm interested in this as well.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Abaddon:
me too :D
[T-Mobile LG G2x] mackster248:
I'm sure you'll need to do a lot more than that to be able to at T3 games. Especially since it took Chain fire for other phones to play T2 games. Just my guess though.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Dimension2035:
I believe it would. I had a tmobile HTC HD2 with android. I changed everything in the build file to match the Nexus one which tricked the market into thinking I had a nexus one and would allow me to download any app that would run on the nexus one. Use Root explore to edit the build file. Be sure to make a back up first. Changing the build file could make some things stop working.

Some things you will have to change:

Model

Brand

Product name

device

board

Product manufacture

Hope this helps.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] IRASadPanda:
Pretty sure Chain fire will make this possible in the near future

Sent from Narnia
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fadownjoo:
If I could get a copy of a tegra 3 build prop I think that might help, ill post in another forum.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] xBkKx:
The one x, is tegra 3 I believe could just download a ROM from it and extract its build.prop

Sent from my LG-P999
[T-Mobile LG G2x] maxib123:
Build prop for HTC One X

ro.ril.ecc.VODA-Africa-South=112,911,999
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-GCC=999,112,997
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-WWE=999
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-Dutch=112
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-SPA=112, 911
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-FRA=112,911
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-ITA=112,911
ro.ril.ecc.HTC-EastEurope=112
ro.ril.enable.a52.HTC-ITA=1
ro.ril.enable.a53.HTC-ITA=1
ro.phone.min_match.HTC__Y13=7
ro.phone.min_match.HTC__J15=7
ro.phone.min_match.HTC__016=7
ro.ril.enable.a52=0
ro.ril.enable.a53=1
ro.ril.enable.dtm=0
ro.ril.hsdpa.category=14
ro.ril.hsupa.category=6
ro.ril.hsxpa=4
ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1
ro.ril.disable.fd.plmn.prefix=23402,23410,23411,23420,27202
ro.ril.enable.managed.roaming=1
ro.ril.enable.sdr=1
ro.ril.enable.amr.wideband=1
ro.ril.enable.r8fd=0
ro.ril.disable.cpc=1
ro.com.google.clientidbase=android-htc-rev
ro.ril.vmail.23415=1571,BT,121,VDF UK
ro.ril.vmail.27203=171
ro.ril.vmail.65502=181
ro.ril.vmail.27211=171
ro.ril.vmail.65510=100
ro.ril.vmail.22299=4133,3ITA
ro.ril.vmail.23410=901,O2 UK,905,TESCO,443,giffgaff
ro.ril.vmail.22201=41901,I TIM
ro.ril.vmail.22210=42020,Vodafone IT
ro.ril.vmail.22288=4200,I WIND
ro.product.model=HTC One X
ro.config.htc.enableCOTA=0
ro.watch.appid=com.sdgtl.watch.enru_40_ics
ro.ril.fd.pre_r8_tout.scr_off=2
ro.ril.fd.pre_r8_tout.scr_on=3
ro.ril.fd.r8_tout.scr_off=0
ro.ril.fd.r8_tout.scr_on=0
dev.defaultwallpaper=/system/customize/resource/scene_wallpaper_htc_default.jpg
ro.ril.imc.fdn=0
ro.ril.imc.dtmclass=0
ro.ril.imc.band=900,1800,1900,850
ro.ril.imc.uband="UMTS_BAND_I","UMTS_BAND_II","UMTS_BAND_V","UMTS_BAND_VIII"
ro.ril.imc.darp=1
ro.ril.imc.enhanced.fdpch=1
ro.ril.imc.fdpch=1
ro.ril.imc.edpdch.pw.interpo=1
ro.ril.imc.hspa.dtx.drx=1
ro.ril.imc.uea2=0
ro.ril.imc.uia2=0
ro.ril.edpcch.pwr.boost=1
ro.ril.hspa.mac.ehs=1
dev.deviceimage_large=/system/customize/resource/endeavor-black_187x370.png
dev.deviceimage_small=/system/customize/resource/endeavor-black_32x58.png
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Core Memory:
Here's a more complete one:

http://pastebin.com/NzcHh2rk
[T-Mobile LG G2x] kingflodo:
Doesn't work

It doesn't work. I replaced the whole build.prop file with the one from the one x and i'm still unable to play the exclusive games. Does anyone have an idea why the games still know that we are not using a tegra device?
[HTC Rezound] ogre150:
Haven't seen much on moding with metamorph. Was wondering if it works for the rezound.

Thanks,

I used to be a developer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee...
[HTC Rezound] johnwaynegacy:
idk if it does now, but it should when we have an aosp rom
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
Should work fine I used to make themes with it but looks like not many themers use it on this device

Sent from my Dinc... I mean Rezound
[Acer Iconia A500] galaxyman4g:
Just got new update time root thanks for your help
[Acer Iconia A500] galaxyman4g:
I found it
[Acer Iconia A500] tonyblack:
It's good to know that you found it, now how about sharing what you've found with the rest of us? That's kinda the point of these forums!
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
I haven't found any one click root options for the a500 on ICS yet. Would be nice to know if there is one.
[Acer Iconia A500] Saturn007:
What a useless post without sharing your findings.
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Maybe they are referring to this:

http://forum.tegraowners.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=350

It was originally done for the leak but [reading on to around apr 21st [page 9]] it might work for OTA. If anyone tries it, post back.
[Defy Themes and Apps] Hairo The Blue Mage:
Here's a themed sms/mms app for cm7 based roms...

this is a mod made by P4qui7o and cyberfred62, I do not take any credit for this... here's the original post....

i tested it on whiterabbit and works fine :)

Black background:

White background:

Installation:

- Just install the apk...

- You may also like to increase the font size

- Enjoy :cool:

EDIT: this apk is prone to uninstall after a reboot, if this happens, rename it to "Mms.apk" (no quotes), move to /system/app/ and apply the right permissions (rw-r--r--)...

Download:

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1027901&d=1335556375
[Defy Themes and Apps] coelho_:
nice...thank :)
[Defy Themes and Apps] brajesh.sharma87:
Nice share
[Defy Themes and Apps] coelho_:
Work but no fixed :O

Envoyé depuis mon MB525 avec Tapatalk
[Defy Themes and Apps] coelho_:
Envoyé depuis mon MB525 avec Tapatalk
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
I am basically running everything exactly as you mentioned with one exception... the wifi while I am asleep. I generally lose between 2 and 5% over eight hours but I am right next to the router. I never thought to try turning it off and letting the 3g sleep take care of things but I will definitely give it a shot since we are basically on the same page with sync, screen time out, etc. I do also have auto brightness off and slide across status bar to adjust but that wouldn't make an enormous difference. Also inverted apps really seem to get me on average an extra hour or so of screen on time. Very thorough info. I need to consider running my CPU at 1000 Max as well

Edit..all FD26 setup with init.d added by sfhub's auroroot option E

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kobridge:
Thanks John for the input! The easiest way to adding init.d support is adding his script (recovery-install.sh) into /system/etc folder with permission 550. recovery-install.sh is available thru my linked thread (just in case you don't have it).

Again thanks for trying and let me know your findings!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
BTW the script is install-recovery.sh (not recovery-install.sh) I think you had it right in some sections but reversed it in others.

Also since we last discussed I made some improvements to the script. It is now compatible with other apps which like to use install-recovery.sh to get their stuff done like link2sd. The installer in Auto Root will move the existing install-recovery.sh to install-recovery-orig.sh and the install-recovery.sh (init.d version) will call install-recovery-orig.sh (if present) after it is done. The uninstaller will reverse the process.

Also install-recovery.sh will now defer to init.d support in the kernel regardless of which .rc file it was added to in the kernel. Previously it only looked in init.rc but I saw some repacked kernels were adding support in different .rc files (they also removed install-recovery.sh support from their .rc file, so it might be a moot point because install-recovery.sh might never get called)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] RustedRoot:
Thanks kobridge. I think this script is just what I've been looking for and I'm going to give it a run.

sfhub, somewhat off topic, but continuing with kobridge's related thread, How to run init.d scripts on boot, how come chmod 755 is not expressed rwx-rx-rx instead of -rwxr-xr-x? Seems more logical to me.