yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Lol :eek::thumbup:

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
http://frostywolf.com/index.php/topic,306.msg599.html#msg599

Done, anything else I should add?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Perfect. That should help. I'd still like app to update the install instructions. Somehow I guess I'm clinging to my hope for a better world with less stupid people in it, because if the install instructions are comprehensive and accurate, maybe, just maybe, this thread will be filled with thoughtful; on topic; intellegent posts instead of those from people who are too lazy to read!!

I'm not a genius, but a learned a long time ago that nothing is impossible....you just have to know where to look for the answers!

And if you think that your so special that no one else has ever run into whatver it is you've run in to........think again!! Then...once your brain has cooled down.......RTFM!

That being said... love the ROM. like the developer. And can anybody tell me if this rom supports overclocking???!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Honestly it doesn't matter if it's the best OP ever written. The ROM is good, so it's like aiming the noob cannon at the thread. They will come in, hit the download link, not read anything, and always ask ridiculous questions even if they've all been answered in OP, first pages, or in search results. Reminds me a bit of darwinism, some people will just fail.

Please say your overclocking comment was a joke. Lol.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Lol nice post and lol overclocking ics

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Nope all good and I just went threw the page it will be very help full for ppl having issues gj

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Teufel Hunden:
Much better lol

Biggest dog on the block, Note!! Now ICED out!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Don't think I m mad at u guys but Since all of u are clamming that I should add second Post! Did Any of u f**** read that post? Huh Look below these are the steps! Plus I did not add these steps rite now it was added to the post when the rom was updated! So Try to read ur self before suggesting! Because If you suggest something that's already been taken care off then I don't give F*** about u no more!:p I not mad this is how mad ppl have written back to u guys!:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
O great look, you angered God, now he's going to light us all on fire or something. *hides*
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
lol man not mad! there is no reason why i would be mad! I just wanted to fake that out! And i m laughing about it! seriously i m not mad! Thank You guys! I m close to 2K thnx!:p:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
App....sorry. didn't realize those extra bits were there. I had the same issue on the first ucld and Im pretty sure they weren't there then. But i didnt post and ask about opening superuser cause ive been following the thread and knew that was the fix from other posts. Guess I glossed over it in my excitement over ucld3 #2.

Glad its there. Now let's just hope all that install read it before installing or at least before the have any issues :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
No worries man I was same way last November when I had my first android and got boot loop 5 times with CM7 lol good ol times!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Btw...anything cooking?? :cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Getting close to that 2000 mark! Wooo! you deserve that and more BTW.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
App went hard on em daamm lmao app will come outa nowhere and bust out some crazy sh8:beer::D have a beer app!!!!

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] godfirst:
Is supercharger running automatically?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Yes but you can change the scripts if you want to, go back a couple pages and there is a link.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] godfirst:
Thanks again, it's kinda hard juggling this and the HOX. This Rom is cool, I'm happy with the way things are! Keep up the good work.:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
No problem, added your question to the FAQ, :P

http://frostywolf.com/index.php/topic,306.msg599.html#msg599
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Yo I p.m u

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sam.jh:
I was your 2000th, I haven't even installed your rom but I seen that and you were at 1999 so I hit thanks.. hijacked haha :D

you should almost thank me back lol :P
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
Just an update from earlier on battery life....I'm astonished :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jshinn1:
So what are you doing to get battery life like this?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Turning off EVERYTHING and letting it sleep for 2 days, rofl.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jshinn1:
LOL thats what Im thinking too
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
Actually the only thinga I turn off are data and wifi and I txt and check fb most of the day smartass lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Data and Wifi? So you have bluetooth and GPS on?

Because Data and Wifi IS everything unless you have BT and GPS on, lmao.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
How do you check facebook without data or wifi? Is there a another radio I don't know about?? :D. I assume you mean that you turn on wifi only when you need to check Facebook then immediately turn it off
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jshinn1:
LOL got it sounds like what i do but I dont see battery life like that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] delacrow:
Wow, that's pretty cool. Earned thanks #2001 :)

On a side note, can step 12 be moved to become step 8.5 (or part of step 9) in the second post? That way people will actually resolve the root access problem before installing busybox and fixing permissions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Alrite Guys Second Post Updated with review and How Flash My Rom!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
App check ur pm !!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Ahh the thread so quiet lol must be becuz no one having problems !!!!! I love this rom lol simple but so stable :D best battery for sure
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Lol what????? Ur joking right ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Teufel Hunden:
Must be, at least we know App is still here lol

Biggest dog on the block, Note!! Now ICED out!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
I know right, that makes it less a "phone" and more a tiny "Samsung Galaxy Tab". Might as well just be turning it completely off in between Facebooking.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wase4711:
yeah, first rom since I got my note that I have left on for more than a day..no really weird stuff, no freeze ups and no FC's...very happy with this so far!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] hpric:
remove it with Titanium Backup

---------- Post added at 07:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:36 PM ----------

Ok I flashed the Stock System UI because I do use the Mass Storage option but for some reason its not doing anything. My two options are MTP and PTP but my computer is not detecting MTP. When I switch over to PTP I do get a pop up on my pc asking me to "Select a program to launch this action" but nothing is listed in the box. Any ideas

Nevermind..found the answer in post 936
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Wooo, that's my post! *High Five*

You can also use airdroid BTW, it should be pre-installed on there and 110% awesome.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Rocket42:
hey there fogive me if this has been covered...i read about 90 plus pages last night. I was under the impression that the 14 toggle mod is what made mass storage stop working. I see that you have 14 toggle mod and stock 14 toggle mod and a fix for mass storage. Was planning on flashing rom, toggles and fix. will the fix take anything away? or should i just not flash the toggle mod at all? therefore not needing to flash fix...> sorry, kinda confused... ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Teufel Hunden:
The fix is stock ui, it will put stock toggles back(removing the 14), as of right now there is no zip for the themed 14 if you wanted that back but to reflash yhe theme, you can get stock 14 back in a flash zip tho

Biggest dog on the block, Note!! Now ICED out!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Q:

My USB transfers are not working!

A:

14-Toggle breaks USB transfers, flash the Stock System UI to fix, BUT YOU WILL NO LONGER HAVE 14-TOGGLES. I would suggest using AirDroid (built into ROM) or ES File Manager, both will work if you have a Wifi connection.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] eksoccer99:
email...

when trying to see who's all CC'd /attached from the drop down arrow. Email FC/stops. Anyone else?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
In which email app, gmail or the samsung one?

Edit: Just testing in gmail, does not FC. I don't use the Samsung one, so someone else would have to test that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ray_Banci:
Dude I followed your instructions perfectly and Im seriosuly considering not even going to ever upgrade this rom when the actual ics comes out

Everything is absolutely perfect:

-NO FCs (I haven't had one EVER) and on stock I usueally have some

-I've never EVER had more than 3 1/2 hours of screen time. I get like 4:20!!

-my phone has never been this zippy nor have my pictures, videos, and music loaded so quickly!!

Thank you so much this is what stock ics SHOULD BE!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Rocket42:
thanks but where i got confused was OP says 14 toggle mod and 14 toggle stock mod...so was unaware that the mass storage fix took 14 toggles away period...ok i think i get it...so i am thinking the two diff 14 toggle mods are just for people that wnat theme or no theme....i see...i think...lol

so i will flash rom, 14 toggles to take a peek, darkside, theme and then if i so choose the fix which will surely takle away the 14 toggles...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
14 toggels is cooked into the rom man no need to flash 14 toggles lol :D I keep 14tog mod and just use airdriod which is straight up some kool sh8 !!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Teufel Hunden:
She may want the stock green, yea I said she.

And she might be more comfortable connecting than by air. Personally I use dropbox

Biggest dog on the block, Note!! Now ICED out!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Rocket42:
yes, SHE didn't know the 14 were baked in...so thank you now i am clear! Yeah i use dropbox as well. thanks all
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ColSaulTigh:
PREACH!

AirDroid is perhaps the COOLEST thing I've seen in a while..... :D :D :D :D :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Don't catch a attitude with me ....:banghead::beer:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Please explain how am I sapposed to know a xda member named Rocket is a she? Lol cmon :confused::p:thumbup::D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 1tontomato:
I usually use software data cable or Es file explorer for wireless, but just looked at air Droid. What an awesome feature list, going to have to give it a try when I get home. Hey AppDroid awesome work BTW.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Airdriod is kool man I'm sure u will like it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Just woke up so many positive feedback:) now I feel like going back to sleep:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] eksoccer99:
Sorry yes the stock Samsung email. When trying to see who's all Cc'd w. Arrow. FC closes on me. No biggie as this Rom already rocks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] edkills:
Only one problem I got don't know if thru att or my phone I get calls and people say I don't answer think is my phone never rang
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Rocket42:
hahha, well, now you do ;) (rocket is my dog)Thanks for your help
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
Does you're dog like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Rocket42:
hahhaha...not sure but i did...;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ukic:
You can also use FoxFi for Wifi Tethering :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] peoples_flip:
I can't wait for the new theme.... awesome work appdroid
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Thanks!

(Don't worry. I clicked your little button)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
This is my new daily driver. Smoothest ROM yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lessthanzach:
I tried moving the apk to system/app, then setting permissions to rw-r-r then installing it from there. It keeps saying applications not installed. Any ideas?

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If I helped you, please hit my thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ukic:
Need to reboot then click the app from app drawer :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jb0nd38372:
Only issue so far.

When deleting a contact ( long press / delete ), causes the process "acore" to unexpectedly end 2x, then contacts FC's and goes to home screen. My other issue with the market / play was fixed by clearing data / rebooting.

Runs smooth though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] adamzeit:
Anyone having issues with MS Exchange accounts (email, calendar and contacts combined) with this ROM?

I setup my Exchange correctly but it isn't syncing any of those 3 items.....anyone running Exchange smoothly?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lessthanzach:
It actually says application not installed as I'm trying to install it, I know to do that if I click an icon and it gives me that message. Thanks for the help , any other ideas?

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Give couple hrs i will make a zip¦ i have finals in an hour:)

SENT FROM ICS OBJECTION
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lessthanzach:
Dude, your awesome. Good luck on finals.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jb0nd38372:
Could someone look at this?

I have 4 screen shots, the two with my crappy drawings, I was wondering if all that stuff could be ripped out of the rom. The other two are things I manually disabled via manage applications / all.

Could all of those things be pulled out of the ROM to free up extra space for things to replace them that were useful? In my case I don't need exchange or vpn services. All those SNS accounts seem wasted as well since for example the SNS Facebook log in only syncs the calender function and NOT contacts, when you install the Facebook Apps it syncs everything, so seems redundant to be using two separate resources to do the same thing one can cover.

Things like "lets try panning" / "Home screen tips", and "AT&T software update" could those be blasted as well? my logic is that if someone is on XDA flashing roms, surely they don't need tutorials on how to use their hardware.

I was just curious why these items seem to be left in most roms when they seem to serve no purpose (except for obviously exchange, VPN, etc.. the things some people need .)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bon_joey:
Same here, and this is using the non-yp contacts apk

sgh-i717r
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
Why ask why some items are left in a Rom? Do what I do.

Don't say anything and delete them your self. It's not that hard
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jb0nd38372:
Because I was wondering if there was any underlying reason they were left. perhaps they affect something not even related to their apparent function. I'm talking about the things I circled in the first two those can be force stopped but not disabled, I am sure I could delete the ones I have disabled, but on the same token, I would want to make sure I deleted them and the underlying data with each, not just the apk's, I'm sure there would be dead files somewhere else.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
yes you can delete them. I always do
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
You can remove them with Titanium Backup. Not through the Applications menu though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mrandyp69:
Appdroid,

Have any idea what it would take to get the left handed calibration of s pen to work. Is the settings for the s pen somewhere that's not accessible? I've noticed in every ICS build its been broken, so I just didn't know if someone hasn't attempted to track down the issue or it just can't be modified manually.

Thanks!

Sent, with love, from one BADASS Note!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sh4dow1:
There you go Look under the addon and fixes for the stock mms after when you download it extract it from the zip file then manually push it to your system app fix permission and reboot

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1606413
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Nice to see my Unfinished ROM get finished :-)

Live seeing all the positive reviews...

Team Perfection has officially Met ADT

Keep making this thing a beast AD!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Elemino:
Amazing battery life, simply Amazing...

If you could figure out USB with 14mts, fix gallery, and add the option for using the factory wallpapers, there would be no need for further development. Pack it up and send it to Samsung. Lol

It's bigger, it's faster, it's Note...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] delacrow:
Is this a good time to ask moving step 12 from second post to be step 8.5 or part of step 9?

Until that happens every time someone asks about this I am going to thank them, whoever responds and appdroid.

Please help, I only have 8 thanks per day :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Go thank me in every post I made ;) haha jk jk :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Actually, since amazing battery life is achieved by shutting down all radios, I'd like a 15th button to do just that. One click to toggle wifi, data, GPS, and Bluetooth.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Well make one :D:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] khaytsus:
Um.. Airplane mode?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Um...no...since airplane mode keeps you from being able to make and receive calls!! :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Hahahah yeah he can just use airplane mode does same thing
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Didn't turn off everything anyway?? Ur confusing me lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 1tontomato:
Are you looking for the airplane mode toggle that's exactly what it does
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
You could do that and more with tasker.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
I love this rom lol still trying to figure how I want it to look lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] docfreed:
Speaking of extra buttons, when I was using Saurom it had a neat toggle in the 14 toggles that just turned the screen off. I have not seen that in any ICS ROM that I flashed (Unofficial, Objection...). Is there any way to port that function to Objection2. Saurom also has a neat volume key wakeup that I also haven't seen on any ICS ROM - can it be ported or is there something in ICS that prevents these kind of toggles
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Umm if its from gb it most prob won't work unless someone mods it for ics .IMO
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
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Now try to figure Out what I m saying here^^^^^^^^^! Hint Don't look at the messed up alphabet look in there!:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
i like that you guys appreciate my work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
DECODED
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Again, airplane mode doesn't let me receive calls. But I'll try tasker
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
100,000 Views! And Over 3000 Rom DownLoads! :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
WOOT!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
I think you could do whatever your imagination limits. May need an extra plugin though.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Humm I might have to create some issue with this rom!:p Its been quite here since there is no issues!;):eek::D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Seriously though, do you have anything cooking, or do you have any ideas of thing you want to add in the future??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Ahhhhhhhhhhh just be patient my young padawn good things will come :thumbup::D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Hmmmm...this is kinda like waiting to find out whose gonna get booted off American Idol....but cool :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Lol well yeah i agree haha
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
I can't get tasker to turn off the GPS. Anyone have any ideas??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Never mind. Figured it out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Yeah, it told me I had to install a plugin to do it, and the plugin was free. Good luck, I don't use it for that. I really only use it as a sleep timer for music (Pandora or anything really with a task timer). I used to use it for more, but meh.

Hope it works out for you! :-)

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] andrawer:
Airplane mode.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
Really....have you not read the last 10 posts?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] troyolson92:
Use yellow! Yellow theme looks amazing and is very easy to read
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Yellow looks ok but got tired of yellow lol help me think of another color
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esco757:
Here's what I have currently... This Rom is a beast!!!:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wish777:
+1 on yellow...for me :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wase4711:
where are you guys getting red/yellow themes from?

thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samomamo:
Do you have CWR installed?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Too late!:p I think he got it installed!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BigBison420:
memory

I have less than 200mb of free memory and i get down to 50mb pretty quickly. is there a reason for this?

edit: For some reason i get FCs like crazy when i try to use auto starts and rom toolbox to stop apps from starting up. if it does work, it takes a full minute and the phone does the single vibrate and then the triple vibrate. Also i get the triple vibrate a lot EVEN when docking the phone to my OEM docking station.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deeken:
Appdroid, would you consider incorporating electron73's tether fix into your next ROM? It fixes the USB tether issue that plagues these ICS builds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] andrawer:
Nope.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Ur going to be runnig between 200-100 of ram which is normal. Andriod is ment to be run like that...free ram is wasted ram ur fine buddy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
U really asked that question???? Lol ppl reading? Its a lost cuase :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] one7dchevy:
Does anyone elses battery stats get reset after a reboot?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JiraffeLeung:
For anyone that has a problem with the BusyBox installation; meaning if it freezes or ends with "unable to install",

What I did was update my Superuser binaries, and root seemed to work after with other apps as well.

Try reinstalling BusyBox, it should work out fine after.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] FrostyWolf:
All you have to do is start superuser once before trying to do anything that request s root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] armyboy11b:
Wow how many times ppl are going to bring up that issue with root....ahhhhhhhhhhhh