yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
ive been trying to do some cosmetic mods, but I've been unable to get an image to stick on the notification bar like in GOV2, I've also have had trouble with the notification bar in general and font colors, Anyone have any ideas about this?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] redcheetah:
No difference 3.0 and 3.1 for oc. 1.3 not stable. I stick with 3.0
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Cistoran:
Hey is there any chance you could upload the background image you have in the screenshots on the first post?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] LinuxAssailant:
I have the same problem here, but I never play games and rarely get on Facebook on mine, I think this is her issue.

(Now if I can convince her to try this Smoother, faster, more reliable on hers... :) )

I would like the see the adjustable brightness via sliding the notification bar... that would be GREAT. :)

I have had ZERO issues in testing this today... Thank you.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] eurohomie:
Is there anyway to change the color from green? to lets say a blue like GOV2 or the regular ROM
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Well, I'm going to be helping out with GG from now on. I'm leaving behind GhostBlaze in favor of a new start from a more stable base. I've already spoken to Adjust/Reviewers for permission and I'm good to start!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kck17288:
What's new with 3.2?

The OP keeps getting edited for clarity and links, but a change-log would be helpful!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
This is the changelog for 3.2 :

Init.d tweaks, tons more have been added.

/xbin folder has had sqlite3 added to it.

Stay tuned!

Sent from my SGH-T839 using GenericGinger 3.2 on XDA
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] AFAinHD:
I've used GG before, but now that I'm actually seeing progress from Rev and JiN, I'm gonna flash this when I get home. And yes I'm going to just keep calling you Revolution, that's what your name was when you were devving for us before, and personally I like that name more than the ones you've changed to.

Good job guys. Keep it up. :D
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Will be releasing 3.3 later today, stay tuned!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
what are the specific changes in the scripts and whatnot
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
GenericGinger 3.3

http://www.mediafire.com/?zk7nzb6bgpmvm97

GenericGinger 3.3 Changelog

*Added myFiles.apk (file browser included in GOV2)

Recommended manual setups

1. Flash the Blaze_4G modem from CWM.

2. Set up Tegrak Overclock to run at desired stable overclock.

3. After bootup, run SuperUser and update the SuperUser binary (otherwise you may encounter

4. The default launcher takes about 24 MB or RAM, if you require something lighter or find a launcher you like better, install it instead. Easy recommendations are LauncherPro and Nemus.

@HewettBR : The URL below are the changes to the scripts!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1584558
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ReActiveDisorder:
Really Revolution|Diabolic jr|adjust| and now reviewers??? Really dude? You change user names more then My wife changes shoes. Stick with one name.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
Keep the thread on topic.

Who cares? I change it because I want to now don't reply.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] eurohomie:
I saw this got ignored so i wanted to repost.. Or is it possible to add a theme like scarlet's leftovers to it?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ultraprimeomega:
please give a warning about the voice while first boot, im at school and everyone turns around to look. I like my flashing in silence, but so far i like the rom. cant wait for more updates
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JonathanBarca10:
haha i didn't even know you could change names. regardless, keep up the good work guys!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Not ignored, I'm going to try to learn how. But I'm not confident with that yet.

BTW, didn't know there was an Android voice, didn't make any sounds for me.

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Amount of time since last charge :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bu4sp8qupwauyc2/unplugged.png

Amount of battery left since last charge :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g32f2jnsci3b37y/battery.png

***This picture is as of GenericGinger 3.2***

Please note, many more tweaks and settings have been added since.

GenericGinger 3.4 has been released!

GenericGinger 3.4 Final

http://www.mediafire.com/?kel2h4bj999cb5f

Please ignore the fact the .zip file says beta, it's out of beta now.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
I would need to look closer, but I believe the status bar icons are one of the easiest things to change, and can be done with the UOT Kitchen, and maybe even with the app Metamorph, or one like that. it is definitely do-able, and I can look later as well.

thanks for pushing out versions so quickly. it's nice to see work being done for this great little device.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Guys, 3.4 BETA should be stable. I just need feedback, and that's why I named it a BETA. The sooner people give me feedback about this version, if they notice any performance gains, or app crashes, I can fix it, and move into a final and then a 3.5 release. Help us, help you. I'm one of the few last devs, not many other devs either have the phone anymore, or are too busy to support it. I manage to make time, so make some time as well to test it! The more feedback, the better!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] bleedingthru:
flashed 3.3 on my wifes phone and no clock app ?? any idea why?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
It didn't originally come with one. I realized I also needed it, so I added it in 3.4 BETA, try it out.

*Read the changelog for 3.4 BETA as well
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
I have 3.4 Beta on my backup device, and first impression is: pretty freakin' fast! the launcher is insanely fast when scrolling and opening the app drawer. the ROM also seems stable, tho I haven't done a whole lot with it yet. great job!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Thanks! That's a good sign, can't wait til' I release 3.5 then! I'll be releasing it by Friday afternoon latest!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
ui_print("***********************************************");
ui_print("* ROM : Generic Ginger 2.0 *");
ui_print("* Kernel: Bali 2.2 with Voodoo -by Dr. Honk *");
ui_print("* Modem : KD1 *");
ui_print("* *");
ui_print("* By John_2K2 *");
ui_print("***********************************************");

ui_print("");ui_print("");
ui_print("***********************************************");
ui_print("* ROM : Generic Ginger 3.4 *");
ui_print("* Kernel: Bali 2.2 with Voodoo *");
ui_print("* Modem : KJ2 *");
ui_print("* *");
ui_print("* By Reviewers and JiN1337 *");
ui_print("***********************************************");

Come on bro, update your updater-script,:o I attached it to this post, helps me figure out whether or not I'm flashing the wrong rom.

Good job by the way.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JonathanBarca10:
workin pretty well so far, just sort of froze up when trying a titanium backup.

request: do you think you could include the task manager thats present in gingerclone and GOv2? its really useful in killing things sometimes that may be using too much memory or for whatever reason you'd want.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Thanks. I'll probably fix it in version 3.5, i was so busy doing all the big stuff I forgot about the smaller details
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Actually, good idea, didn't think about that for some reason. Ill include it in version 3.5, thanks for the feedbac!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ultraprimeomega:
I think the voice was the lag fix dissabled, and my recovery might still be from another rom B2TB
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Ah. I'm using the voodoo recovery CWM. Anyways, I hope the ROM is running well for you.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JonathanBarca10:
is still working pretty well for me, has frozen a few times trying to go to the home screen (i'm using 3.4, btw) but that may just be my phone acting **** like it has recently. its done it with every ROM i've installed so it might not be your ROM, but i figured i'd point it out anyways in case other people are having the same problem. If it gets bad enough, i could always just do another launcher.

otherwise its running great so far, got a 1530 on quadrant which is pretty damn solid. great work guys, i'll let you know if i find something else.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Thanks. Well I'm on 3.2 at the time of writing..and not freezing. Since I'm getting pretty good reviews, I'm going to flash 3.4 tonight, and release 3.5 tonight or early afternoon tomorrow.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
I have a special release for GenericGinger :)

Message me on Google Talk
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
3.5 due tomorrow night, expect some rather big changes!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] HewettBR:
Can we get a preview of what these changes may be?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
For the fact, some are unstable, no. I don't want to get anyone overly excited for a feature not included. I'm going to try my best to make sure it works though. Release is expected tomorrow night, Friday. But no features are promised, but some new things that are sure to work will be implemented tomorrow, such as the Task Manager from GOV2, Voodoo Sound control, and Tegrak. (This all I can promise as of now.)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Because of the sheer amount of downloads I got on GenericGinger 3.4 BETA alone, (204) in just one day, I've decided to release both a beta, and stable version of 3.5, read below to understand.

3.5 changelog...

*added task manager back from GOV2 (The original Samsung one)

*added Voodoo sound control (for added audio control)

*MAY switch launcher to LauncherPro or Faster Than Light (FTL) more testing is required [in v3.6]

*added Tegrak Overclock (for overclocking ASAP)

*added Swype Beta 3.26 (EXTREMELY BUGGY NEED TO TEST)

Please note : For this particular version, I have released 2 ROMS. One has Swype Beta 3.26, and one doesn't have Swype at all.

If you want to test the ROM with Swype Beta 3.26, go ahead and let us know if it works and has the orange tracing line. If it crashes and is NOT stable, simply just download and flash the 3.5 ROM WITHOUT the Swype.

GenericGinger 3.5 with Swype Beta 3.26 [BETA]

http://www.mediafire.com/?dsjtay9n3q3jtqj

GenericGinger 3.5 WITHOUT Swype [STABLE]

http://www.mediafire.com/?3pdt7lofd5ffi1z
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] kaptainscoot:
Going to install 3.5 stable here in a min on mine and 3.5 beta on the ladies thx for all the hard work.

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1 little thing i found not a bug and no big deal is it still says 3.4 beta just so you know.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Thanks, I keep forgetting the blasted version number. Meh, small price to pay for a good ROM I guess (according to everyone elses feedback) thanks for the feedback and words of encouragement.

By the way...for 3.6 other changelog fixes, I think I'm going to replace Launcher2.apk with Faster Than Light (FTL) is more Gingerbread like, and to me is being a lot more smoother.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] afr33sl4ve:
Considering that I bought the full version of LPro, I will have to flash that over whatever launcher comes with the latest build.

I don't like having a bunch of paid for apps, and I can only use one. :\
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
If you extract the Pro .apk, I'll make a ROM specifically with the launcher for people who have it. The thing is, I have money, but I don't have a credit card.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] mjsell2:
Three small issues I have.

In version 3.5, wallpapers are not changing correctly.

On sidekick lock screen, can the clock color be changed? It's difficult to see the time at times.

Can you find/add the asop news/weather app.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ultraprimeomega:
Just as warning 3.5 will format user data

This is from 3.3 to 3.5, its fine for me.

Do flash the Blaze 4g radio modem Thanks Reviewers

Thank you Devs working here, gives some hope for this cool device.:D

Update: Im having a issue with tegrak it force closes when i try to overclock to any level
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Thanks for the news, formatting the user data between versions is out of my control though, I usually make a backup and completely format before flashing anyways, gurantees almost perfect usage.

Edit : Can't fix the Tegrak force close problem, so Ill remove it in version 3.6, thanks.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Also, are you using 3.5 Beta or Stable?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ultraprimeomega:
Im using 3.5 stable no swipe

I tried removing it and re-installing from play store and same problem.

I guess i got to buy titanium backup, i had not because it was easy for me to re-install everything but with the new layout of the play store it seems slow for me to re-install my important apps, but yes i do like the format, less steps to install new rom, and clears errors from old rom.

FTL is great so far, it feels faster but ill keep testing
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] achaps81:
I keep getting java.io.IOException service dis.... im guessing disabled? It works fine on incoming calls and on my pandora app, but one app i use (obd droidscan) wont connect. Didnt have an issue til i switched phones, any idea or fix? really need that app to work.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
That's out of my reach. It doesn't seem to be a problem with the ROM. If at anything, an incompatability perhaps?

Here's what's planned for 3.6 :

*Removal of Tegrak Overclock (go to Google Play to install it!)

*Removal of Swype Beta, re-inclusion of original Swype. [More testing needs to be done on this front!]

*Launcher2.apk (Default Gingerbread) will be replaced with th more customizable, faster, and elegant Faster Than Light (FTL Launcher)

*Startup script will be modified to correctly display the current version of the ROM in the updater-script.

Sent from my Sidekick 4G / GenericGinger 3.2 on XDA
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
This is going to be my final release for a week or two. Enjoy!

GenericGinger 3.6 Changelog

*Removed Tegrak Overclock (To overclock your Sidekick, go to Google Play and download it!)

*Removed Swype Beta because I couldn't find out how to properly insert it into the ROM. So, instead, I reincluded the default version of Swype (blue trace).

*Launcher2.apk (The default Gingerbread launcher) has been switched out with a 3rd party launcher known as FTL (Faster Than Light), it's a customizable, Gingerbread launcher. It uses less RAM, and runs faster.

*Start-updater scripts have been edited to reflect the latest version!

GenericGinger 3.6 [STABLE]

http://www.mediafire.com/?jptcgsrngy4xw5y
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] :
I downloaded this and it had no launcher and tegrak oc was still in it. Did you upload the correct .zip?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wing_addict_usa:
You may have to wipe i guess

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MIRRORS

GenericGinger 3.5 FINAL.zip

http://lts.cr/Jqj

CRC32: 65cfe5c4

MD5: 8a9250ad8b074d7ff139ee7eb341b5df

SHA-1: 84902d3566c26c2dc48ef9ecf6ce1a7ea38d2292

SHA-256: 4469c15c21c1f9e7b7edc1c7e94b65c3d64035d66f28f35f3b3597230dd9f806

SHA-512: 2674bb9fa22aa931cbfeabcd1e036913e46a48ac2813373729e129b3a666d8324eccc79472becb705cb4fed92dd640994363d2efea09fbc8430277738e5dc864

GenericGinger 3.5 with SWYPE BETA.zip

http://lts.cr/QQh

CRC32: a193bfee

MD5: 8c034f25cc03249e008267f0c082029f

SHA-1: ad10cd9fd15d2c3b297e1826937b94feda458036

SHA-256: 9805790967920589cfbff47d3f3910782e63cd0c656c661b544e32bf9a1a7cf2

SHA-512: 55096e10a6b626ad7f9447161b898c37245bc89b8c201d7c5723b7f28acb63dc8860351f90e44ab81cfb28f39e2c911fd9736cd454c8158c36153fac30055865

GenericGinger 3.6.zip

http://lts.cr/RYe

CRC32: 7e955383

MD5: 39b8e223fc8d5d4d7be5a1c95724fc9d

SHA-1: fae488defbc8e484b022b7d376e4c8627f7ce9b3

SHA-256: 4b3ae641fc35b4db3fa70e135d47a0e2bfc54bb1899ded5b61b6d3261b3861da

SHA-512: 2a927ec0ff15c98d3d38d7d9c63e7c851803691fe919f886bcf53eb1c2bc191edc65811931ecf391db32d72a1e23a4c3af6b2d7f3ed180f1c498a4a8c5c524e1
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Whoops, quite possible I missed the .apk I guess. Cause its on my phone. Ill fix it when I can and reupload 3.6, sorry.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Seems something went wrong when I put the files into the .zip...please use 3.5 without Swype for the time being. Thanks. I need to make nesscessary corrections to the ROM I probably made in error due to a lack of sleep.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Roundtableprez:
I'm using 3.4 works phenominal. Even the overclock appears to be working :-)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wing_addict_usa:
My sidekick IS TALKING TO ME is this normal?? Shes saying something about the system partition. :eek::eek::eek:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] d3xtro.:
Yes, that's normal.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
That's normal. If it says system partition unavailble you bricked your system and need to ODIN stock back to KJ2.

Basically, as long as you made sure your mounts were right, you're going to be fine.

EDIT : GenericGinger 3.6 has been fixed!

http://www.mediafire.com/?lg0vhiq8uv5mo85

Tegrak Overclock removed!

FTL Launcher removed and re-added Launcher2.Apk (default launcher!)

*** I HIGHLY RECOMMEND DOWNLOADING FTL LAUNCHER LITE FROM GOOGLE PLAY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!! ***
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] dataspill:
This is such a nice ROM! Thanks for taking the time to update it! I'd been running 2.0 for months until I saw this thread on here. I found 2.0 over at Simply Android and it looks like that thread hasn't been updated in a while.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Roundtableprez:
As far as i know that happens when voodoo is enabled. correct me if im wrong, but that is normal the first time you flash a rom with voodoo?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Glad to see people appreciating the time we put into this! And yes, John_2K has stopped developing for the Sidekick 4G. He gave us official ownership of GenericGinger as a project.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Enjoy! I'll be working on the SK4G when I'm off of school at the end of the month!

Right now, I tested this ROM and it works perfectly!

GenericGinger 3.7 Changelog

* LauncherPro is now the default system launcher instead of Launcher2.apk!

* Swype Beta 3.26 is now pre-installed and working! (orange trace, better performance, better look)

GenericGinger 3.7

http://www.mediafire.com/?kz4mdzhz8528wha
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] dataspill:
Sweet! Downloading this now! I'm glad you guys decided to go with LauncherPro! I was using ADW for a while, but I switched back to LauncherPro because it has all the features I want with out any extra flare. It's perfect!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Haha, well it is the fastest launcher near FTL Launcher Lite. I would have included it, but the developer purposely makes you install it from the Play Store. If you guys still want it, and I do recommend it, simply install it from the Play Store and switch it to your default launcher. Both launchers are at best, amazing anyways.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wing_addict_usa:
Yes she was saying the system partition was unavailable. How did I brick it? I was able to ODIN back though thankfully.

What mounts?

Here's what I did:

Superoneclick root the device

Load modified recovery file with super manager

Put CWM update.zip in sd card

Restart into CWM

Flash modem and this rom

Restart then it TALKS TO ME!

I did this TWICE, amazing rom, wish I could get it to work :(
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] shifty331:
Has anyone had a problem disabling voodoo lag fix. Everytime I disable it it gets stuck in a boot loop?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Never tried disabling it. Not sure why you'd want to.

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Mounts are parts of the system that need to be written to, and so must be set as mount or unmount depending on the value.

Instructions - NOTHING NEW, if you know the drill then go ahead and install.

- Put zip file in your /sdcard
- Reboot into cwm recovery
- Wipe Data/Factory Reset
- Wipe Cache Partition
(Optional but recommended to prevent any minor issues)-Wipe Dalvik Cache from advanced menu in CWM

*Now before you Flash, Only if you are on the orange CWM, (Not RED voodoo CWM from Bali) if on red CWM ignore the mounts/unmount part*
MAKE SURE YOUR MOUNTS LOOK LIKE THIS: (Go to mounts and storage from CWM recovery)

UNMOUNT CACHE
MOUNT DATA
MOUNT SDCARD
UNMOUNT SYSTEM - this is the ONLY mount you pay mind to, not Sdcard or anything else

- Now its safe to Flash the .zip

Above was taken from ayoteddy's thread.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wing_addict_usa:
MIRROR

GenericGinger 3.7.zip

http://lts.cr/2sR

CRC32: 65fccce3

MD5: 3120387e00e7a493ff26c2a75d83bb7e

SHA-1: a4f9db47126cba3389091e5a3cfc91ee8c0172de

SHA-256: dbdc85fcaac9169689d750f30315816d1e0e0bff550254205b733306b3439a2a

SHA-512: de8b61f760ad427367f4e9b1d831e995ff204d0c0a9df245c271584177426602b12aa249f3b1fca4591707feeda4f1d19ef1a959e2f35527f546908a2e9c6ef8

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OOOHHH see I never knew that... dang it Sadly my sister won't let me try again, oh well.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
yeah, disabling the lagfix doesn't seem to work. I did do it successfully way back on KD1 or something.

I haven't been running the lagfix just because I am wondering if ext4 tends to be a bit more glitchy on this device. that's definitely not for sure, but it's a theory of mine. like sometimes my notification sounds wouldn't ring, or I would reboot to a flurry of force closes(on most of the KG2 custom ROMs). stock RFS file system seems more stable, to me anyway.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] wing_addict_usa:
What is a lagfix? Sorry, I come from the HTC G series
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
ah yeah, I loved the G2 a lot. the lagfix, or voodoo, I believe is just the conversion on Samsung phones from the stock file system over to ext4, which seems to be snappier. it isn't as big a deal on HTC phones, because they seem to ship with say, ext3, so going to ext4 is easy.

but Samsung uses it's own proprietary file system, RFS, which some people say sucks, lol, but I think they've improved it quite a bit. but I believe all the SK4G custom ROMs use the conversion to ext4.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Trust us as ROM devs...ext4 is snappier. Its the official file system for newest up to date Linux systems. And its open source, so anyone can make it better. RFS is proprietary so its closed off to people who want to make it even better. There should be no point or any part of time that you should feel the need to disable Voodoo Lagfix. If you get weird problems going, you need to clear your cache and dalvik cache partitions, and fix permissions and then reboot.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
Yes, it happens all the time, anyone have problems with the camera taking 3 minutes to load, or failing to load?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Not me. Sorry. You could try fixing your permissions in CWM.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] insanedrunk:
Tried it, tried Odin to kj2, and the problem still persists.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
Damn, that seems like a pretty heavy issue. If its still doing that even on stock, something is seriously wrong. Is the Sidekick still under warranty?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] shifty331:
Everywhere I have looked said that when flashing a new rom u should always disable voodoo. If I don't have to do it then ill flash this rom after I get off work
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JiN1337:
I have never disabled Voodoo, haha. I went from Project Nocturnal 1.2 to Glorious Overdose V2 to Generic Ginger 3.2 and having Voodoo CWM, and Voodoo lagfix was enabled the whole entire time.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] LinuxAssailant:
I don't even have time to even test for stability before a new sub-rev rolls out.

I guess none of these are stable, as they get a new sub-rev like 2x a day?! :)