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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] x3phyr:
Mobile apps are far less intensive than anything you'll find on a PC, hence why while a 1.5 ghz dual core is fairly useless in anything other than base applications on a computer, it excels in many tasks on a mobile phone. What you're going to see right now is perhaps quad core optimized versions of apps, and the regular dual core apps. App developers build for the lowest common denominator. Which are mid-range devices because that's where most of their market lies. What's going to happen with HTC and Samsung releasing their quad core phones, is that the phones that have dual cores are going to fall down a rank, and be cheaper, and be the inherent "mid-range," and more developers are going to produce for that tier.

Don't even get me started on 6 and 8 cores which are barely optimized for full tower PC's as of yet. Sure, you've got AMD's BullDozer, but that's an inefficient, slow, and unoptimized piece of chip that was pushed out to combat intel.

My bet is that you won't see 8 core phones until 2016+. It's just not feasible right now. I know processing power increases 150%-200% every 18 months, but I think the next step is getting mobile processors onto A15 and so on.

I'm defending the HTC One X because I'm going to use it as my phone and basically only my phone. Any gaming I do will be on the next generation of iPod Touch that will most likely come out in summer.

I'd rather have a dual-core chip nearing full efficiency, over an inefficient newly released quadcore. The tegra 3 is having all kinds of heat struggles right now be it because a voltage governing app has gone awry or not. That was a processor meant for tablets, and sure, kinks will be worked out to make it viable for a phone, but that'll come Q3-Q4.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mesasone:
I am well aware of applications which are multithreaded on the desktop. They are largely limited to academia or the professional realm. We are not running Final Cut Pro, Adobe Photoshop or 3DS Max (to name one piece of software from each respective category you brought up) on our phones. Not only do we lack the power for those types of applications - even with a quad core processor such as the Tegra3 - but the experience would be terrible due to the form factor and screen real estate involved on a phone. Further more, if you have been following the industry with respect to those types of applications, then you would know that a large amount of the work load has been shifted from the CPU to the GPU ala OpenCL or Nvidia CUDA.

Gaming is largely a casual affair on mobile, however in those cases where developers push the limits of "mobile gaming" then yes - a quad core processor and a fast GPU are important.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chaosjh:
rant much? lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Wow.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] iamthedudeman:
No not really. Lol.

I fixed the reply made it shorter. All kidding aside there is alot of good info in my post. Not ranting at all. I just know the industry well and know the tech behind the SOC's that we are talking about. My firm did marketing for the S4 for Qualcomm. So I know it pretty well. I do business with other corporations marketing depts and know some info some might not be aware of otherwise.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
Can we imagine what quad core s4 chips will do?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] scuzzbag87:
Don't have a heart attack or pop a vein
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chaosjh:
12 core nano processed to .25nm... since we are imagining...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] iamthedudeman:
By than the A15's Cortex SOC's will be out. The amount of power in today's smartphones is amazing with the Tegra 3, Exynos 4412 and Snapdragon S4. Lets not forget about the A5X with it's quad core GPU which may be coming to the iphone 5. There is some speculation that it might come with a A15 Apple A6, because of heat constraints of the A5x even at 32nm.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] louis.b:
I dont think build quality would be a correct word. The One X has had a lot of issues relating to build quality so far. However, it does indeed FEEL nicer than any plastic crap Samsung has put out in the past, idk, 5 years? lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vinuneuro:
tatic sendId

Samsung who, Galaxy what. I looked at the One X in person for the first time today and am blown away. As far as design goes HTC has hit the jackpot with this phone both in hardware and the OS. The current Touchwiz is absolutely awful in comparison to Sense 4.0. The body is sleek enough that using it one-handed is not really an issue despite the screen size. Samsung better have something great to top it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Materials quality ;)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
I doubt the same chip will be in the iPhone 5, they'll have to do something different. If the new iPad ran hotter than usual it would make the iPhone 5 run really hot, and the iPhone 5 will have considerably less pixels to push, so maybe something in between?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrvirginia:
nope, i did not.

this is what i was saying. it (S4) is not a true A15. it's based on the A15.

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this is what i believe. someone mentioned video editing and rendering as a few things that makes use of multithreading. this is true, but are we going to be doing this on a phone? i'm not. if you've played with a GNex with stock ICS then you've realized that the performance is finally there for Android. everything, i mean everything, is snappy snappy. quad-cores are not necessary right now. they really are not. i rarely even play games on my phone and when i do they're the simple ones.

besides this argument, none of the quads support LTE, correct? so that pretty much only leaves you with two options right now if you want LTE. get an S4 chip or wait for a quad that supports LTE. if that's not important to you and you'd like to say you have a new quad-core phone where nothing takes advantage of it right now... just food for thought.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
I read what you posted earlier the wrong way, haha, I understood what you meant later.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vitaminxero:
A small point that doesn't affect your claims. The Mali 400 in the Exynos 4412 is a quad core. In terms of GPUs, cores don't really mean much as each core can have varying processing capability. Some cores are smaller, some are bigger. I think the Power VR 543MP4 is a much larger than the Mali 400 but I don't have the numbers to back me up. Regardless, heat comes down to a lot of things like the build process, clockspeed, size, etc.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] iamthedudeman:
I don't know as much about the Mali T400 but I am pretty sure it's not a true quad core. Just as the Tegra 3 is not a '12' core GPU. Alot of internet sites are claiming that the Mali 400 is quad core which isn't really the case. Mali-400 MP is scalable from 1 to 4 cores. It is multi-threaded which can give the impression of a quad core chip. For instance VR states that there PowerVR 5 series are MP 2 and MP 4. Multi processing GPU cores x2 and x4. They are true Quad core and dual core GPU's. Multi processors x2 and x4.

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/#ixzz1tYp8YnWu

Maybe samsung has a quad core model, we will not know for sure until it is released. I don't think so but we will see. As I don't see how they would fit a true 'quad core' GPU and a quad core CPU in a phone.

More likely is that people don't really what they mean by GPU Cores. Graphics processors typically use an array of basic computing “building blocks” that are also called “cores”. And because computer graphics is highly parallelizable, adding more cores is one way to scale graphics performance. GPU vendors like AMD, Power VR, Qualcomm, NVIDIA and others have done this for more than a decade, and a modern GPU for desktop computers can host 512+ “cores”.

The thing is, GPU Cores have been marketed so much that the term doesn’t mean much anymore. It’s useful when comparing several GPUs models within a single generation, but from one brand to the next, the definition of graphics core can vary greatly. For instance, AMD usually declare having much more “cores” than NVIDIA, but in the end, the actual performance does not reflect the difference at all.

A GPU core is referred to as a 'undercore' or 'fragment processor' by most engineers, meaning that it is not a complete GPU core. The A5 is a true dual core GPU, and the A5X is a true quad core GPU. Sadly the current Mali 400 is not.

It says here single core which is what I thought it was:

http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php

The Power VR 543MP4 is a true quad core GPU, not the Mali 400 MP. The Power VR 543MP4 is larger, much larger. And gives off more heat because of the 45nm size and the full quad core layout. The chip size between the two is enormous. The A5X is as big as some desktop processors.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5685/apple-a5x-die-size-measured-16294mm2-likely-still-45nm

Here is the layout of the Mali 400. That whole diagram is a full GPU core. They count the 'fragment processors' as 'Cores' hence the MP designation. In contrast the A5X has 'four full GPU cores with multiple "under cores' or 'fragment processors'. Notice the Mali 400 has 4 of these 'fragment processors'.

http://www.arm.com/images/Mali-400_1000px.jpg

Regardless, heat comes down to a lot of things like the build process, clockspeed, size, etc.

Being a engineer, I would not know this. Lol. :)(Just kidding).

We will not know what the Galaxy S3 has in it until it ships.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] shaboobla:
Just wanted to say thanks to you Iamthedudeman. I find all of this very interesting, so much so that this is the first thread I check when I come to XDA lately :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vitaminxero:
Whatever it is, Samsung is going to tweak the clocks to make sure it benchmarks better than the competition. ;)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] k4p741nkrunch:
First of all, AWESOME thread! Thank you everyone for the informative posts, especially you Iamthedudeman.

I'm on the fence about buying the One-XL this weekend, as I can't afford the One-X and didn't know if it was really an upgrade from my G2x. This thread has definitely shown me that what I will be getting is truly the next generation of smartphones. At this point I don't even want the Tegra 3 version.

On a side note, do you think it is possible that HTC used such debate-inspiring SoCs as a way to draw more attention and fill the media with info-hungry potential consumers? I mean, personally I have never scoured YouTube looking for comparative benchmarks like I have today.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
There aren't even real benchamarks out for the S3.

I also don't see what's wrong with the quad core A9. Sure it's not the dual A15 with the new mali, but it's still an incredible SoC.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] iamthedudeman:
No problem everyone, just trying to contribute to the board.

At least some people find my comments informative, my wife sure doesn't. :D

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Well the Tegra 3 is a very powerfull SOC. You have to remember that most of these SOC's are 'overkill' to most applications. Having a Tegra 3 vs a Snapdragon S4 in the One X will be transparent to the user because the user experience for both will be all things considered "equal' in most tasks.

You might see a slight advantage for the S4 if you had them side by side, and that is even questionable. The only reason the Snapdragon was chosen was because of the integrated LTE and low power draw because of LTE. Also the performance is equal to the user experience of the Tegra 3. You don't want to ship a LTE capable chip that cannot be used in a non-LTE country. Which most European countries are, as well as international.

The S4 was fast tracked by Qualcomm for a early release to gain market share over the impending rival chipmakers. The Exynos 5520, and the OMAP 5.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu...teId=6123&navigationId=12864&contentId=103103

My firm got marketing materials almost a year ago for the snapdragon S4! With the ever increasing performance per watt and power draw of current top end smartphones, I can tell you that manufactures were very happy to get the Snapdragon S4 with integrated LTE which can perform on par or exceed their Cortex A9 quad counterparts.

For the end user, lucky for us who want the One XL we get the future of SOC's now, minus the Adreno 225.

Now Qualcomm is having problems with yields to the 28nm process since it did not spend enough time in the development stage. It seems that the gamble paid off since the S4 contract with Samsung is huge. As well as HTC. You will see a S4 in the american Galaxy S3 with LTE most likely.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] k4p741nkrunch:
Dudeman, you are like the encyclopedia of all things relevant!

I asked my question mainly to spark discussion, only because I believed the topic was speculative. It's nice to have a definitive explanation for what some people might consider HTC's greatest mistake.

Honestly when I first saw the sign on the wall for the One X at Radioshack I thought back to those MWC articles about the Tegra 3 quad core smartphone and said "Wow, I can actually afford the first quad core phone!" Later I came home and found out about the XL vs. X debacle and was crushed. I immediately started preparing for two more months of dealing with my not-so-bueno phone until the Galaxy S3 came out. After much deliberation and info cramming I'm actually MORE excited to get my hands on this revolutionary dual-core. You're totally right, the benefits beyond it are transparent. Unless you stick a floating FPS meter on your games the XL should still get over 35fps.

I'm really interested in trying one thing out once this puppy gets rooted. If any of you have ever used ChainFire 3D you'll know what I mean. I used to trick tegra games into running on my Evo, quite smoothly might I add. I had a plugin I loaded with ChainFire 3D pro and fixed the market settings so Tegra apps were available. I wonder if I can do the same thing here.. I really want to try Glowball and Dark Meadows when it comes out.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] iamthedudeman:
Not really. You should see my casual wardrobe, which was relevant back in the 90's. :o

Just wanted to update this thread, as we are seeing some real full reviews of the One XL. I posted a few of the links in another thread but thought it would be more relevant here. As some of you know the Samsung Galaxy S3 is being revealed today. The specs will be very similar to the One XL.

Full review:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/1

Summary:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-x-for-att-turns-out-faster-than-the-international-version/

Battery life:

http://blog.htc.com/2012/05/improving-battery-life/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/htc-one-x-battery-life/

Especially the US version. Last month a few marketing execs from ASC(Arrow Semiconductor Corporate) were telling me the american version of the Galaxy S3 was to have the same SOC as the One XL. I could not confirm, but they were accurate in the past when I spoke to them. Seems that is indeed the case.

American S4 version of the Galaxy S3:

http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-galaxy-s3s-dual-core-cpu-for-verizon-confirmed

Other than the form factor and memory, these two will very close in the spec dept. Another question is build quality, which is the reason I picked the HTC One XL. HTC's build quality is second to none. On par with Apple.

Samsung, well............not so much. But it is getting better. They might surprise us today. Will it be as good as the HTC One X. I doubt it. As good, maybe.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mesko402:
Thanks dudeman!

That was really informative with great references. Love the descriptive architectural differences between all the current SOCs on the market. If you have any more information please share. I think there are several of us who appreciate your insight and knowledge!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Back to the original point of this thread, anyone else watching the unpacked event? it's streaming live.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
Ewww its kinda ugly lol....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] darkamikaze:
VERY dissappointinggg SGS3 ....

It looks ugly not to mention they are more software oriented ... software I'd want to change regardless of features..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] carporsche:
Wooohooo. One X it is then. Way better looking , better build quality and dare i say better screen wrt to color saturation than the AMOLED.

Good to know i shall get the One X for $50 from amazon :)

S3 has a 2100mAh battery, but still reviews have shown that 1800mAh battery on the S4 one X does an excellent job.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] UMGixxer:
I made the right decision with the HOX no regrets

Edit: Cant believe I waited all this time just to hear this, with all the hype you would have figured it would have been superior to even laptops or soemthing lol, should be able to read my mind, really like 6 months of hype all for nothing but face and voice recognition total fail to me
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
4g version coming later this summer. lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vinuneuro:
HTC wins. I'm going with the One X.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] co.ag.2005:
here's Engadget's comparison table

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-vs-iphone-4s-htc-one-x-lumia-900/
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Ugly... GNex with buttons. I'm so happy!!!! And "release in summer" Um.... That's vague.

2100Mah battery, the extra 300mah will be wasted tracking my eyes..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
For being a human phone, these videos are kinda alien and creepy.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] co.ag.2005:
agree...

also, It's slightly heavier (according to Engadget) which is surprising (at least to me) (but likely due to larger battery)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Icons still look cartoonish, I made the right choice with the HOX
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gbrewman:
The screen is a disappointment as it comes with the pentile screen rather than the RGB display that the Plus phones have.

Also on another important note Samsung has put a barometer on their phone for the enthusiast out there.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] UMGixxer:
Its funny how they are clearly displaying the euro version of the GS3 but they are comparing it to the US HOX, in which the euro HOX has a 1.5 quad lol, and I dont know if its me or not but from the pic I cant really tell any difference in 4.7 screen vs 4.8 screen

My conclusion it has a bigger battery and a barometer :eek: and expandable memory, im not a memory hog so im good with 16 gigs
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] co.ag.2005:
good point. I was mainly interested in seeing the overall size, weight, and screen size comparisons.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] darkamikaze:
They said available during summer.. yet they never said global launch or did I miss it?

Yeah the weight is a little heavier most likely because of that bigger battery
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
late summer again for the us!!!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] co.ag.2005:
Engadget's live blog said release in Europe in late May, not sure about everywhere else...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] b5t28:
I want to take this moment to thank Samsung for not ruining the joy I will experiance tomorrow.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] co.ag.2005:
haha. agreed.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
The HOX looks better. The only interesting things samsung did were unnecessary things that make the phone "easier to use"

I'm not going to ask my damn phone to take a picture of me and wait 5 seconds for it, I'll just press the camera button.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
he means thanks samsung for releasing a subpar device compared to the htc one x. (The one x is better ) and tomorrow he will enjoy it
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] UMGixxer:
Exactly because I was hesitant on preordering the HOX but Im about as happy as a kid in a candy store :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
LOL, I missed the not, I corrected myself.

Plus, 4.8 screen... That means lower pixel density, plus it's pentile.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
+1. I don't think I will ever buy another pentile screen. Monumental fail!!!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vinuneuro:
Only SAMLOED again.

The biggest deal is storage but it's not enough to not get the HTC. 16/32/64GB depending on model, plus expandable MicroSD card
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NextNexus:
Agreed...that's the only thing I'm jealous of.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vinuneuro:
No hard buttons except for home is also huge deal.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
I don't use much storage so I'm happy. And my live stream froze.. But I don't care..

Is it still their cheap feeling plastic?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] TheSpeedster:
Wait, S3 isn't the first to charge wirelessly... the Palm series had the touchstone...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] randomnameftw:
Also dropbox is offering 50 more gigs of online storage. Overall, I'm very very

disappointed with the s3. The one X is definitely the right pick between the two.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
They're not announcing the specs of the LTE version because they know they'll have some pissed Americans.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
I feel like the totally ripped off image sense. And I also feel like they put "S" in front of every google service to make it seem custom.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] expertzero1:
oh god, im so happy i picked the htc one x lol. I know this device is a winner for about a year hah
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jekyoo_style:
Someone tell me why Samsung was so damn secretive about their exterior design when it's just plastic with some ceramic bezel?!

HTC is probably jumping with joy right now. HTC One X is definitely the Android phone of the 1st half of 2012. I'm glad that HTC chose the build quality route. That's the only way to set yourself apart from other Android phones.

Glad I got my One X and the debate between the One X vs. GS3 should be an easy one now. The only thing the GS3 has going for itself is the Exynos processor.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chaosjh:
5 bucks says us variant is "normal" 3 or 4 soft keys, s4 for lte, and only one of the storage options available per service provider (16/32/64gb). i also bet 16 goes to at&t so it 's sold at 200 bucks like the x.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mbonus:
Only bummer on the one x is no micre sd card slot and or larger internal memory. Like to have my media on my device.

One X with 32GB would be perfect for current market.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Hahaha, its like the Nexus and the SII had a child. Not really the specs that most rumors were throwing around. And we have to wait until May 29th for the snouncment of the US tour of a "summer" launch? That means August/September.

I like how they didnt even give any details about the cameras shutter lag, lens or apreture.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chaosjh:
i am actually really glad that they focused on software. that will give us x users some info on what software works well with s3 users and what is junk. then we can just port those apps and features to our badass x!:D