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[HTC One S] nathan118:
I recently bought a Galaxy Nexus, so I used my Tmo upgrade to get the One S, and now I want to turn around and sell it to subsidize my Nexus.

The $50 rebate sounds like I basically have to use it. The requirements are:

1) To qualify for this rebate card offer, you must reach the qualifying handset and Data/Messaging requirements below through T-Mobile Customer Care. Qualifying activations include T-Mobile Refurbished Device products.

2) Offer only valid on plans with a two-year contract.

3) To be eligible for the rebate card: (i) your submitted materials must be validated by T-Mobile; (ii) you must have an active account meeting the rebate eligibility requirements; and (iii) your upgraded handset must be used to complete at least one call on your extended line of service.​

Here's my dilemma. Most people who will want this phone won't meet those requirements. So selling the phone with the rebate unfulfilled won't be useful to a lot of people. It also wants your customer account number, so they might do some cross checking to make sure you really bought the phone.

For me to claim it before selling it, I'll need to make a call on my line, meaning I'll need to activate the included micro sim on my account and make a call. That means I'll have to use the micro sim included.

Is it that hard to get a new micro sim? If I use it, can whoever buys the phone just walk into T-mobile and get a new one? Was hoping to sell it NIB without opening it, but now I can at least power it on and take a picture showing it working.

Anything I'm missing? Thanks for the help everybody.
[HTC One S] Blackjack3d:
I dunno about the whole rebate situation but I know you can get a micro sim cutter that turns a normal sized sim card into a micro sim. Maybe there'll be one included in the box (I dunno about that yet, I get my One S on Tuesday :D ) but they can be bought for pretty cheap anyway.
[HTC One S] nathan118:
Any idea if I activate and use the micro sim that came with the One S...will that deactivate the old sim I'm using in my galaxy nexus?

And feel free to give your opinion...what would you rather get...a NIB never opened One S....or one that has been opened with proof of powering on?
[HTC One S] asko1981:
Yes, it will. You can only have one sim activated per line.
[HTC One S] nathan118:
That's what I was afraid. Tmo has made it pretty darn difficult to redeem this thing. Would have to activate micro sim (now buyer has to get one), and then I have to go get a new regular sim for my nexus. Ugh...not worth it.

I'll include all the rebate stuff and whoever gets it can try and claim it!
[HTC One S] makomek:
Go to the Galaxy Nexus and ask it there,we don't need thread like this to take up space or dial 611 and ask them and close this thread!
[HTC One S] nathan118:
It was actually more about the one s, but thanks!
[HTC One S] shinkinrui:
>Doesn't even properly read thread

>Tries to tell others how to use forum

mfw
[HTC One S] nathan118:
Bought two (one on wife's line, one on mine). So I'll sell one opened with proof of powering up, and the other completely unopened. Trying to claim the rebates seemed like too much of a pain. Maybe if the buyers get lucky they'll be able to claim it.

Thanks for all the help.
[HTC One S] sanchitgrover:
Hey I wish to buy it , how much are you looking for it ??
[HTC One S] kyuubi_ac:
@makomek: what the heck? calm down..

@nathan118:

Regarding the sim card: There's no problem about activating the micro sim and using it in your GN as well. Sim-Adapters work fine and really don't cost much.
[HTC One S] LibertyMonger:
..........Sorry didn't notice how old this thread was lol
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jago25_98:
I've searched a lot about why there are so many better audio apps on iOS.

What I've learnt is that Android is much harder to write for. Generally we have both UI lag issues but also audio lag issues. Combine this too and we have significant problems for say, a keyboard app.

Now what I want to know is what is the source of this and can it be improved.

I remember this problem with linux years ago. Eventually we than had ALSA, jack and all the rest. There's a lot to fixing latency in linux:

1) Realtime kernel is useful

2) ALSA or Jack... Pulseaudio and AudioFlinger I'm not quite sure why we'd want one but not the other??

3) Then there's the OS itself and keeping the relevent process at a good priority... but not too high to freeze interactivity.

So what's the analog for Android? What do I even search for to find info? Keywords I can think of at the mo are only "Android realtime" or "android lag" and both of these only produce semi useufl results.

Here's some threads but they seem to be UI related which would not be fully related to the example of a beatboxing app, which could have no UI and be audio only and still lag:

https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS

http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1381882

update:

If interested in this try searching for "PulseAudio" and "Audioflinger". Those were the 2 keywords I was looking for...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yodawg:
Audio latency

I'm also very interested in this topic... I found these two links:

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Ports/Android and

http://arunraghavan.net/2012/01/pulseaudio-vs-audioflinger-fight/

However, this seems only to work on Galaxy Nexus so far... more work has to be done for other phones :P

Now of course I want to have this on my Defy+ (Quarx ICS cm9) however I'm not sure if this is even possible without a custom kernel (since bootloader is locked) - but it looks like the patches are only for bionic lib, not the kernel :)
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtfuxitsalex:
Is there any way for me to set my own wallpaper for my homescreen and lockscreen without using ICS's crappy cropping tool?

I know there's an app for your homescreen, but when it comes to lockscreen I can only go into the Themes app and set it from there. Even then, it is majorly zoomed in and blurry.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b-eock:
If it still like GB MIUI, go to lockscreen wallpaper in themes app and hit menu button, choose from gallery and there bam!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtfuxitsalex:
OK, now it won't even show a crop tool. It just automatically does whatever it wants for the lockscreen wallpaper. When I try to change my homescreen wallpaper through this method it still uses ICS cropping.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] They Drew First Blood:
Try the free app QuickPic- when you go to set your wallpaper, it should come up as an option alongside Gallery or whatever. It has its own cropping tool and recognizes your setting for wallpaper, i.e. non-scrolling (fixed) or scrolling (scaled across homescreens) and allows you to crop accordingly.

edit: I am on an AOKP-based ROM and the lockscreen option lets you choose which cropping tool to use- not sure if your ROM will allow this...
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
Well, I hear the 2.3.5 update is coming for the MoPho. If you want to be able to flash custom roms, kernels, etc. you should read here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1620905 It appears if you flash this you may have the same issue the Electrify users had after they flashed 2.3.5.

Way to keep, I mean, break a promise Moto!

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
I actually have 4G at my office and thats why unlocking has been a deal breaker for me. This is also the reason I wont buy another Motorola device. I bought this device, I own it. Motorola said they would unlock the bootloaders and now its pretty apparent they arent going to. I wont make the mistake of buying another Motorola phone. They need to just go back o Verizon and stay there.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
Maybe. I guess I can consider myself lucky. I mean, IMHO, Moto's hardware is better than most. They are well built, my reception is top notch, and I do have an unlocked device.

The part that makes Moto suck is the software end. They said they would unlock things, but it appears this is not the case. And who's to say that Sprint doesn't have a hand in this, either? I mean, if we unlock, flash, etc. we are using our devices how WE want, not how THEY want.

Just saying..............

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] pgriffinsc:
Yeah,I kind of feel the same way.I was digging around in the ICS system dump for the Razr.I almost think id rather have AOSP ICS over what Moto offers,if its gonna look like the Razrs.With ICS,they have to "theme" the AOSP Holo theme,not rework it completely per Google.And looking through the apps,no more Universal Mail Box,my personal favorite.
[Motorola Photon 4G] DualSportDad:
i love the hardware... seriously it's the best! i hate the locked bootloader. after this phone it's nothing but Nexus phones for me here on out.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
For me, Motorola's superior radio is more important than the bootloader. I live out in the country, and I use US Cellular because the Big Four don't consider service to my neck of the woods to be profitable. Even so, US Cellular service with a Samsung or HTC means I have to put my phone in the windowsill to get reception. With Motorola, I can have the phone at my desk or in bed, or in the bathroom which is practically a Faraday cage, and still get calls and messages.

I thought Sprint was abandoning the Photon. Are they still doing so?

Also, thanks for the heads up. My brother has a Photon. I'll make sure he doesn't upgrade to 2.3.5. I've tried to get him to sign up here and learn how to change up his phone. Pretty sure he just has everything stock. (He lives in another state, I've never actually seen his phone.)
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Give it time guys. Once Motorola has released their ics update and sprint stops supporting the moto(EOL catches up) then I see no reason why they wouldn't unlock it or at least give us north America at&t so I could "lose" my phone and get its replacement and continue to use this phone as a prepaid go phone after I get my upgrade

Sprints keeping it locked down because its still a high selling phone. You would figure they would want to keep there entire north American nation on their network as long as they are still selling this phone. Sounds like good business to me while also helping the people out that do actually travel the world and still able to use their only world phone to do so. Sprint is being smart with this phone. I would do the same if I were them and if anyone complained to me I would tell them "we gave you a world phone so you could travel. You want a phone you can't leave the US with in exchange for an unlocked bootloader then get one of our many other amazing androids with unlocked restricted to north America only. Either way were getting your money and so does Motorola"

This phone already has more to offer than most high end androids out there. Top notch radios, solid design, superb CPU with nvidia graphics technology, only sprint Android to be unlocked for other country's" it does not have 3D if you want that get the evo 3D.

Please people appreciate what Motorola and sprint has offered us and stop complain so much. Sure I hate that its still locked and i can't use it for At&t but I also understood this before I bought the phone and dealt with it for what it is. Everyone here seems to knows Motorola's past about promises but yet you still purchased this device anyway...
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
Don't hold your breath. Moto has not unlocked any device in the past and the Photon will probably be no different. People have been begging for unlock for the first Droid X and a few others for quite some time.

It was taken away from Electrify users and now Photon users. It will not be given back.

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
You misunderstand, what they are talking about here is the bootloader. It needs to be unlocked to flash custom roms and kernels. Right now unlocked bootloader means no 4g. After update it means unable to unlock bootloader at all. Has nothing to do with using on att.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ericdabbs:
The OP is right. The next release for the Photon for now is a GB maintenance update. Here is a link to Moto's explanation that defines the terms "update" and "upgrade". On the SOAK test page it says that they are looking for users to test the pre-release "update". I hope the Photon doesn't have the same issues as the Electrify. I have no doubt that ICS upgrade is in the works and will be released in Q3 and this update is a side thing.

posted April 25, 2012 by Remy

ericchan3 said:

"New call for SOAK testers for an upcoming release. Look at the sticky thread for the update posted today. I am hoping its for the ICS update."

This is not going to be an ICS release for a couple of reasons:

1) It does not match up with the timeline posted here on the upgrades page.

2) Terminology; Update = maintenance update, fixes. Upgrade = OS upgrade, ie: ICS.

I hope this helps clear things up.

Thanks,

J

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/25829baf50
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
So your saying that Motorola(or sprint telling moto what's up) has decided to Bork 4G if bootloader is unlocked? Kinda makes sense. If your not going to use software provided by the hard working people over at moto then why should they give you everything? Makes sense wouldnt give us an unlocked bootloader. Because they know that no matter what we will still be able to unlock it ourselves or still find a way to install custom roms and kernels. This isn't their first rodeo obviously. They worked hard to bring us this wonderful phone why would they make it easy for us to replace it?

I understand what you guys are saying. I just thought I would add a bit more to it before it was debated later. Motorola all around still has some of the highest selling android phones most of which have locked bootloaders but somehow still attract the same people that always say "I will never buy a Motorola again!"

Im just trying to get the people to understand that its just like when you were a kid and you touch a hot stove for the first time. You don't touch it again right? Why get the photon if you could have gotten a different high end device? Maybe one with an unlocked bootloader.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
All Moto/Sprint has to do is make the claim of "network security concerns" and all petitions and laws related to unlocking can be ignored. Just look at Verizon and devices on Block C frequencies. Now if nobody purchased Moto devices for on release cycle then Moto may reconsider but that will never happen so our phones stay locked by the manufacturer.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
True, but someone sooner or later will get an anti trust action or whatever you call it. Microsoft tried that crap and were eventually shot down. Your phone is basically a mini PC. What they are doing is trying to limit software to what they can control.

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
I had used HTC phones for years, but wanted to give Moto a shot.

I'll probably go back to HTC.

But - important - I now no longer see the need to upgrade every year. I got to that point a few years ago with my laptop, and think I'm there with my tablet also.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
I quit upgrading every year. There's really no need to. My first was the Moto Q, had it for over a year then I got it wet. My next was a HTC Ozone, grew tired of the WinMo thing after almost two years. Next was a Droid X, I really liked it, even renewed my contract, but Big Red really pissed me off. Now I have the MoPho and it's here to stay. Being able to get ICS from these awesome devs just cements it's place. But Moto does need to either quit making promises they don't intend to keep and/or get with the program.

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
After a year in India, one year ago I made the jump from WinMo to Android - have had 3 Android phones in that year. Happy with the Photon for at least another year+ with ICS coming.
[Motorola Photon 4G] DualSportDad:
exactly! if i buy a laptop and it comes with windows 7 on it and i want windows xp i can do that. why the heck can't i do the same with my phone that costs more than my laptop?

like i stated in another thread.... all my devices for now on will be Nexus'. hopefully it will be a motorola one cause i love their hardware but i feel that i should be able to put what ever the hell i want to on my phone. i have a huge problem with the fact that companies won't allow me to do that. so for now on either the phone already has a unlocked bootloader (by the manufacturer or by another means) or i'll just buy a Nexus phone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] schale01:
Somehow I'm still surprised that this update they are testing is ONLY the 2.3.5 gingerbread update. Somehow I had some sort of hope that this would be the ICS update. Not sure how I was that optimistic about it, I guess I just figured they wouldn't be just now testing an update for the Photon that came out on the electrify over a month ago.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
Hey, you know how it is. They have to lay the "ground work"............

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] KyleJDavison:
I agree with you 100%. Motorola phones have been very good to me. I need something that's durable with my job, and the way my Motorola phones have held up has been more than acceptable. I am actually scared to try another manufacture's device because of how much luck I've had with Motorola.
[Motorola Photon 4G] wcherin:
I have tried several other companies, HTC, Samsung, and LG over the years, and Motorola by far has been the best all around, why it would be nice to have an unlocked bootloader I do not find it a deal breaker.
[Motorola Photon 4G] slick69:
Its kind of cute how naively you are defending Motorola.
[Motorola Photon 4G] cornelious2:
all I'm saying is its the same bootloader across two carriers...

Sent from my mopho
[Motorola Photon 4G] halfdriven:
Way to beat a dead horse OP. And speaking of naive, to think Moto "promised" an unlocked boot loader and to think Sprint has noting to say is just stupid.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
Not beating a dead horse and I guess you missed my note of sarcasm. There were starting to be "new update" questions showing up all over and the idea was to draw the discussion here instead of everywhere else.

And FWIW, I know Better than to believe Moto and Sprint. We all know they can lie like a rug and don't care about what we think/feel over their bottom line.........

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
Lol I'm defending a good solid phone. I don't understand why this phone is receiving so much hate. Just like my distaste for root beer. I don't like it. I know what to expect if take a sip so I do what I can yo avoid it. If you don't like your phone then sell it on Craigslist and by a Samsung and stop whining
[Motorola Photon 4G] abrcrmdl23:
I am surprised with all the smack that people say about moto and the photon. I have had all sorts of phones mainly from Samsung and while the unlockable nature odd the Samsung is nice it kinda is a double edge sword because just because it is unlockable doesn't mean i want to unlock it. And i have found that in order to the phone to not sick so bad you have to ROM it and unlock them the software is just so obtrusive and ****ty in imho. My photon has been the best phone i have ever owned, and while i Miss the custom roming and extra little theme tweaks i can add with being unlocked i don't miss them because the phone is so good stock. This is three only phone that i don't mind using stock i think the moto blur is actually pretty decent, better than Samsung i think anyways. Another funny thing about my phone i find is that the more i try to mess with and tweak stuff i find it always works better stock UN tweaked. Maybe that is just my phone but of well. I love this phone and no master how much i want the new evo lte i will be sticking with my mopho for some time still.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Equalizir:
me too. Nexus for me also unless Moto starts making the next one.
[Motorola Photon 4G] five40:
This is my first and last Motorola device. Great hardware but the software and customer support has been lacking to say the least.

Got a Galaxy Nexus from Google last week with a T-Mobile and i'm loving it.

Great Hspa+ speeds and flashed AOKP's awesome rom
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
This phone is getting so much hate because Motorola said they would unlock the bootloader and havent. They gave a specific time frame of when that would happen and its come and gone with not a word from them.

Motoblur sucks. Had I known they were not going to honor their bootloader unlocking pledge, I would never have bought this phone. In its stock condition, its lousy and I actually have 4G at work and the 3G here is unusable so unlocking is not an option for me.
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
For me it's not hate for the phone. I love the phone and the devs here just make it better and better. I just don't care for Moto's misleading statements.

I learned a long time ago not to put stock in a lot of what they say............

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
Well, I can honestly say from a PHONE standpoint, its awesome. From a smart device standpoint, its a piece of junk.

Im trying to decide now to wait on the One X or just jump to Tmobile and get a Nexus.
[Motorola Photon 4G] abowlby:
I traded mine to my wife for her EVO4G. Yes the bootloader chaps my ass that bad, and yes Blur sucks that much. If I could flash full blown CM on this thing, I may have kept it. Even with the pentile scamtrix.
[Motorola Photon 4G] DualSportDad:
Why? Regardless of who makes the nexus phone it will have a unlocked boot loader. The nexus is a devolopers phone. In my eyes a moto nexus would be awesome.
[Motorola Photon 4G] MadFlava:
I still have an OG Evo.. I might consider going back to it myself. Hows the rom development over there these days?
[Motorola Photon 4G] FernBch:
I'm keeping mine. Joker, Th3Bill, spleef, Turl, and a few others are working on ICS builds as we speak. Their base is Joker's unofficial CM9. It's awesome and getting better every day!!!

My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] hellot1M:
We have the bootloader unlocked. Sure we lost 4G doing so but it was never really that important anyway. At least not for most of America. Also out of all the latest high end devices I own this one has the best set of devs I've seen. This entire community is about teamwork and there are sooooo many ROM options including full blown CM7 by cybrix and cougarcougar and one of the most stable CM9 builds for any device without any kind of ics source from the manufacturer.

Everything about this phone is impressive. If Motorola unlocks the bootloader today it would not change a thing for me because I can not get 4G were I'm at. I also don't see it changing rom development much for this device either. We need ics. I don't care anymore about the bootloader for this phone. I just wish they would unlock the bootloader for the Atrix 2 lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] coolqf:
I lost the photon, and it was a great phone. The galaxy nexus screen is larger and personally I would have preferred smaller, but having vanilla sure is great! I haven't loaded a custom rom yet because it runs so well. Something crazy, in my home I got bad reception with my photon, the iPhone was slightly worse, but the galaxy nexus gets better reception!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] abowlby:
Its slowed somewhat, there's an April 8 CM7 nightly, tommytomatoe is about to drop Classic 0.0.9. I'm running a preview, its amazing. Grayn0des ROM is pretty good, has an interesting installer. Bravia was ported. A few ICS ROMs (no WiMax). AOKP, Miks work...Myns work. Its actually thriving considering the age of the device and the fact its on CDMA. ;)