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[Nokia Lumia 900] alodar1:
Think about this....How many people believe the line, after release we discovered a memory leak..or whatever they called it.

And, have a fix ready and tested, in 3 days.

Reality: They found the problem much earlier. But, the exclusive window they had, bound by contract, was closing fast. So, we get a release, an announcment of a problem, and a miracleous response 3 days ahead of time.

Another Reality: there are bugs in everything. Those of you that work in the industry can nod your heads. The list of bugs is divided into categories: Must fix, Might Fix and Won't fix. Translated that means:

Must Fix: This bug will impact our ability to sell the device.

Might Fix: We will fix this bug if its easy and convienent. Will not offer a fix just for this.

Won't Fix: Won't fix. Not our fault, not our problem, its irritating but won't impact sales.

If Apple can get away with "You're holding it wrong", you think they will fix the purple screen or volume too high, when there are options? :p

I have great faith in Windows Phone. But none of that faith lies in, " They will get a fix out". The decision to offer fixes was made in a meeting 6 months ago. There is a window that new problems are discussed and maybe added, but the first fix will be for bugs that they found months ago, and any absolutely major bugs found since release. Odds in them fixing the purple screen and Volume. Low. Odd in fixing the Wifi problem: Higher than the purple screen, but lower than the Memory problem.

My faith in Windows Phone lies in, Do I like it the way it is now? Yes I do, any fixes would only be bonus.
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
Does anyone have the preview and NOT want to download the RT when it comes out? I admit there are many things which annoy me with Windows 8, it simply takes too long to get many things done compared with Windows 7. I'll still give it a go though.....:)
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I find that it works much more effeciently than before, ill defo be downloading it and testing it, in fact if its possible i might try an upgrade of Win 7 too this time to see how that performs
[Windows 8 General] mtmerrick:
i'll try it, just so i can make an educated opinion about it. :P
[Windows 8 General] lovenokia:
i al really digging windows 8, at first it took a while to get sued to metro, but now there are some ui things that i really like about windows 8 and i am dieing to see what they are going to change in the release preview. There are a few complaints, but we all must remember this is a beta product and our judgements should be more geard for RTM and release preview
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
^^^ How about the settings though? It takes me really long to change different settings...I've had to pin so many things to the bottom screen because there's no Start.

Don't laugh now...I did try without the start and I will try again...but I have been using a mod to put start back...

I do like many of the UI changes though. Also I'm keen to seen how good my laptop battery is on it, Micro said it would be better than Windows 7...also, what do you all think of Micro Security Essentials for Windows 8? They claim it's far more advanced before with some mega anti-rootkit stuff that is not available anywhere else yet...
[Windows 8 General] Rakeesh_j:
I would upgrade to windows 8 if there is at least some way to disable metro without breaking the OS in some way. I like the backend changes and the changes to explorer, task manager, and a few other middleware apps.
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
Try this!

It doesn't break anything...you install this like a program and can uninstall it. You can change the start screen to look like Xp/Vista/7/other.

http://lee-soft.com/vistart/
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
What settings you want,? Almost everything you need is a right click on the bottom left corner of the screen away, instead of reverting to something that adds the start menu, just ask us, there isn't a real reason to use the start menu as everything is still there.
[Windows 8 General] Kebero:
I'll be installing it to a VHD for native boot. I've had a lot of problems with power management causing my laptop to shut down with the CP - so much so that I went back to running Server 08 R2 (I use my laptop for Hyper-V labs). Client Hyper-V in Windows 8 CP doesn't like my Atheros wifi anyway (why HP always puts in Atheros cards, even in its business-class machines, is beyond me).
[Windows 8 General] prime_225:
Good..... But, the most annoying thing is that the start menu has been removed.
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
Yes! Almost anything I try to do takes longer because the central point is gone! I am determined to give the new menu system a try and not having a start button.

(I have cheated and use a mod to reinstall the start button see my link above if you're interested.)
[Windows 8 General] Demaar:
I probably won't bother. I did the upgrade with both the Dev preview and the Consumer preview and both times it cocked up in different ways. Give it a shot if you so please, but don't expect it to go smoothly, and do expect that you might need to do a clean install regardless :)
[Windows 8 General] MantisBoy:
The start menu hasn't been removed, the metro interface page is the start menu, you can start typing your search queries on that page as you would in the start orb in vista/7.
[Windows 8 General] evas08:
Hope in better version, really hope, too many problems with previous release for me
[Windows 8 General] DivinityCycle:
+1 to this.

Start Search has been in Windows since Vista, and if you still don't know how to use it then there's no helping you.

I jumped from XP to 7 when one of the first developer previews became available, and couldn't be bothered to figure out the somewhat complex re-organization of the various Control Panel items. However, once I found Start Search that didn't matter at all and I was able to get stuff done faster than XP. Example: typing [Windows Key]-p-r-i-[Enter] to get to Printer Management is much faster than moving my hand off my keyboard to my mouse, mousing to the start menu, clicking Control Panel, waiting for the Control Panel window to open, finding and clicking on the category I want, and then finding and clicking on the menu item.

The only annoying thing at present is that Control Panel Start Search results in 8 are, by default, hidden in their own category that isn't focused or expanded by default, which makes it take slightly longer to get to Control Panel items via Start Search. Aside from that I honestly don't really notice the "lack" of Start Menu. I pin the handful of apps that I (almost) always have open anyways, and everything else I launch via Start Search on my keyboard.

Keep in mind this is on a non-touch desktop environment where my workflow and usage have remained 99% the same as with Windows 7. The main reason I jumped to 8 was the frankly ridiculous boot time.

A new mobo with UEFI BIOS+SSD+Windows 8=Usable desktop from cold boot in literally 10 seconds.
[Windows 8 General] hanswurst24:
Totally agree!

And I can't wait to try the Release Preview in June. Have some problems with my wifi drivers, but nothing hard to fix.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
interestingly its the only way ive been able to get a couple of drivers to work, theres some changes under the hood that's really buggered up older drivers, course that might be laziness on the developers side rather than MSs fault but we shall see, im keen on trying this refresh button as well, kinda wondering how much it will gut the crap out of the all the stuff ive installed and how much is left in place, so anyway, if an upgrade doesn't work too well (and I don't think it ever has on a previously used system) ill test the refresh button as well :)
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
IDEA - wait a second...the refresh feature...does that mean that when we buy a laptop we just click refresh and reset in 5 minutes? So...we can get rid of all the bloatware inf 5 minutes? Ha
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Honestly don't know, it suggests so but then its probably possible for OEMs to "edit" the files for the refresh somehow, we shall have to wait and see
[Windows 8 General] ericskang:
still get morw things done

I still get a lot more things done than what I could on iPAD and android tablet. I appreciate x86 for the fiest time after trying win8.

I will stick to this and x86.
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
So the next version due first week of June will have 'a flatter UI and new colour schemes'. 25 colour schemes and polished in every way I keep hearing.
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
The "Start Menu" is still there in a different form.

Right click a space where there is no tile on the Start screen and click All Apps.

That and you can right click the Start Hot Corner and click Control Panel :) Or Win+I and hit "More PC Settings"

[REDACTED] Just noticed that this was talking about the start button (be more specific?), Move your mouse to the corner where the button would've been and you have a button that just appears :)

My battery is pretty good on it so I agree. Micro Security Essentials does it's job pretty nicely, Updates for the Anti-Malware database get downloaded automatically with OS updates and it's built straight into the kernel.

Rakeesh_j: That's like saying "I want Windows 8 but I don't want it.", Use Windows 7 then, I'm sure all your backend changes will probably end up getting backported to the NT 6.2 Kernel in a future Service Pack, then you'd never have to use Metro (That you probably have never used, this comment of yours screams FUD!!! Also, using Windows 8 without Metro doesn't help Microsoft with testing. If your going to try something released exclusively to test a new UI, then please be a contributing member of the testbase and actually TEST!)

It does kinda break the aesthetics of the system a little. But this workaround is not necessary really once you know what to look for..

Once again, Start hasn't been "removed" it's be changed and put in a different place, Right click on a place in the "Start" screen where there are no tiles and click All Apps.

Please people, don't give in to FUD. Ask your fellow XDA members. Dazza is extremely well informed in this topic, most of the blogs out there spewing FUD have never touched Windows 8 Consumer Preview, let alone Developer's Preview.

Also, I can hardly wait for Release Preview :D I'm all giddy, anxious and wound up :D:D:D:D:D
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Aye, im looking forward to this too, mainly because I took the bullet and replaced my OS on all my machines with Win 8 CP, however there are some serious bugs with the CP mostly my Media centre running WMC keeps having a fit, not to mention my sound card refuses to work on it

So fingers crossed those are fixed. Other than that, having spent the time to learn the OS, then gradually relying on it more and more I can honestly say that even now, its a marked step forward
[Windows 8 General] brian7391:
windows 8

I hope im within the rules 1st time here so ok I downloaded the iso file and made a dvd. It's my understanding once you install you will have to do a fresh install if I want 7 ultimate back? How long before they make you upgrade and what's the price if?
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
don't quote me on this but its usually 120-180 days, or there abouts
[Windows 8 General] phoneyericsson:
I think what people mean is they like the simplicity and rapid availability of the current start screen. I don't think that one feature is enough reason not to upgrade. I'll continue to test Win 8 dual-booting with Win 7. For the all apps thing, I noticed you can unpin apps you don't want to see on the start screen also. I'm just not pushed on it. I'm using a laptop with Win 8 and I don't think all of the features are made for non-touchscreens. I've read so many infamous Windows lovers growl about the start screen changes and touchscreen, there are really many unhappy testers, not quite like Win 7 I think.

But I won't argue - if some people really prefer that new aspect, to each their own! Also, it'll all become clear after launch what customers think en masse.

I just read that Aero Glass is being taken out of explorer...for battery advantages. I'm surprised, I think that's a step back. I have an app that manages my laptop battery pretty well and when non plugged in it disables Aero so why not build that effect into their plans rather than pull Aero Glass out altogether? Also I see tons of power users that represent businesses are less than happy about these changes.

On the up side, I really like the new copy/paste visuals, it's all combined now and you can pause transfers etc. I would like to see a smoother transition between the immersive apps and the desktop. I've been using hibernate in Win 7 anyway but in Win 8 I think it is indeed faster, that's always welcome.
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
I agree almost wholly, however I think the expiration of Aero Glass is a bold move, but it does tend to clash with the Metro style their going for. Also apparently it's not being completely removed, the taskbar still has glass ;)
[Windows 8 General] mr.newb:
i think it would be great if they think about another feature instead of aero glas !

it is out of date i think and you have to decide what you want, styling things but not such a good performance or metro things and more performance because of lower ram usage of the styling things
[Windows 8 General] 2i3:
I have tried and get back to 7 days later due to bugs.
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
Tim Cook on Windows 8:

"...You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator, but those things are probably not gonna be pleasing to the user"

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/24/2...ptop-tablet-hybrids-anything-can-be-forced-to

R O F L

:D:eek::D

I like a lot about Windows 8 but I do think that Win 8 will suit tablets infinitely more than desktops and that just may turn out to be a failure.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I think the question is, why is it that users like myself are able to use it as a desktop os, increase our productivity and generally like where its going? I've been a computer user for decades and consider myself a power user. So what makes me special? Because others think im cleaver with computers? Because I've used them for so long? Because I can touch type and know what IRQs are? No, I personally think its nothing to do with how long I've used them, or how much I know about them, I think what makes us "special" is we are willing to learn and adapt, take advantage of what's there and in this case, from my perspective, its paid off nicely =)
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
I think anyone reading this stuff here and using the previews are almost definitely power users. We're part of a tiny part of the population - geek to the core. I'm not surprised that some power user learn and like instantly some of the improvements. But it is true that we, a loud minority don't dictate everything - the mass does and that's when the sales figures come in, I think. :rolleyes:

Catering for a minority is what Mac is about. Windows is the majority I suppose.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I beg to differ about the abilities of many (not all!) people on here, over the last 3 years (read Android kicking off) the new larger user base of this site seems to have dropped the average IQ somewhat.

As ive said before and as proven in a poll I ran a while back, the more people use it, the better the odds of them liking it. when it came to those that didn't like it, statistically they where more likely to have only used it for a very short period of time.

From what I have seen, your jo blogs average punter seems to actually like it, ive also seen that the top end power users also seem to like it, its more often than not the people in the middle that seem to dislike it.

My thoughts on why that is the case is because both Novice and power users know they don't know everything and are willing to learn, many (not all!) folk in the middle are less willing.... just my observations of course, apart from my Poll it is backed up with nothing but my own eyes and ears
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
I have to agree, I gave it to my father and my cousin (who are both computer novices) and they love Windows 8. They all say that the change is amazing. I also gave it to most of my friends (being from a hicktown lol, their pretty much novices) and only one of the four I gave it to hated it.
[Windows 8 General] blacky2198:
[Q] Upgrading??

Hey i'm still confused :confused: . Can I transfer my app and file from CP to RP? Is there will be an option like when upgrading from 7 to 8 CP. What do you think? Or It will be like Developer Preview, I only can transfer my file not with the app..
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
possibly, with windows 7 we had to edit the setup files to allow it to update, it was a simple trick, just changed the min and max build number to cover the previous beta.

MS might enable this anyway given the number of folk using it, of course if the RP is a huge change then they may insist on a full install.
[Windows 8 General] blacky2198:
I hope it will be not like the DP, i only can moved my files.. :(
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
I thought I read somewhere that Micro said that we can't upgrade CP to RP :( So I've stopped installing new apps/updates because it will be fully replaced.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
they said the same thing with Win 7, but as I said, if you edited the install files before your burnt it to disk you could allow an upgrade from your previous beta version.

not saying that will be possible with this but it might, we shall have to wait and see.
[Windows 8 General] Not Truly Evil:
Hop that Release Candidate will include many new features.

Does anyone know if it will be released early or late first week? :)
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
Have you not tried the developer or consumer previews? There are 2 out already, there are plenty of new features...:)

I think they confirmed June 1st is THE day that we can get it.

I'm trying hard not to look at any more official Microsoft comments on this until it's released - I'm too excited already! Android ICS rollout for my phone tomorrow and a near-finished version of Windows 8 in a week :D
[Windows 8 General] KBHomes:
When does this RC expire? 30 days?
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
I don't remember reading how long, but with Windows 7 it was 9 months. I've been using Windows 8 consumer preview since it came out, something like 2 months ago.
[Windows 8 General] Morpheus NS:
I like Windows 8, although some things in it could have been done much better. I like the ability to mount .iso files directly from Windows, new pdf reader is great, the overall stability and performance seem to be improved...

Recently Microsoft showed some screenshots of the new desktop user interface, and I hate it. They removed aero interface and everything looks boring - white color everywhere.
[Windows 8 General] sky2k4@CHN:
I would upgrade to windows 8 if there is at least some way to disable metro without breaking the OS in some way. I like the backend changes and the changes to explorer, task manager, and a few other middleware apps.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
People don't generally like change, that is a fact, your beloved Start menu / Desktop UI was largely hated when it came out with Windows 95 as well.

Some times the best solution is to force a change, for those of you that remember you could still use the old 3.11 UI in windows 95 with some fiddling, im quite sure that with some fiddling it will be possible to have your start menu back too, in fact I know you can as its possible to do it now, but the desktop is still there in all its glory so the only thing you do not like is that the start button has gone.

Try it, learn it, get used to it, and I can promise you if we still have metro in 17 years time and its about to be replaced you will be saying you don't like the new UI either :)
[Windows 8 General] StevieBallz:
There were lots of Hacks to get the Startmenu back in the Developer Preview. It was a lot harder to do but doable in the Consumer Preview. According to a recent post by Paul Thurrott on his WinSuperSite Microsoft seems to be ripping out lots of legacy code in the Release Preview to make the old UI go for good.
[Windows 8 General] hadoryukishi:
right now i'm using wcp, and it's very good.

i hope they will improve when release preview is release
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
the start menu was in the DP, and as for removing legacy code? all I can say is, its about bloody time too!
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
This one is my favourite, though there are many depending on what you like:

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
[Windows 8 General] pbassjunk:
I'd buy Windows 8 if I can find a pre-order 50%off retail dealy like they had with both Vista and 7, otherwise, meh.
[Windows 8 General] jerome snail:
It's out ;)
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
I just heard today that they will offer it for 14.99 to those who buy a new computer after roughly July. It's an upgrade to Win 8 PRO.
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
An Economist article on why Win 8 will fail more than Vista on desktops and that Win 9 will follow 2 years later like Win 7. I read the full article and I don't think he makes any outrageous claims or his facts are wrong, so added with his experience I think it's plausible.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/operating-systems
[Windows 8 General] androidjel:
I like to go back with no aero your pc will be faster without it ;)

Welcome back to the 90s ;)
[Windows 8 General] phailyoor:
Aero has minimal impact on battery life. It is being removed PURELY to "metroize" the desktop.
[Windows 8 General] CubeCloudOS:
Hey I know its the wrong forum but there is no Q A so... I have a viliv n5 and when I try to install drivers on WiFi chip manually... with a setup file the bar goes endlessly then freezes and reboots anyone else have problem???
[Windows 8 General] madphone:
does anybody know a way to upgrade from consumer preview to release preview without losing everything?
[Windows 8 General] SharpnShiny:
I'm not totally sure but believe you can't do that upgrade. You could though try to upgrade from within windows and see will it put everything into the 'windows.old' folder. Otherwise, if you're really keen, move all your data to a seperate partition, then format the old windows, install your new one and then move the data back.
[Windows 8 General] madphone:
Thanks. But i do not have any second partition. My external hard drives aren't big enough for backing up. Damn if I had known I won't be able to use the market place or office 2013 that early, I would have skipped it.

Right now hard drives are very expensive... guess I will have to live with it for a while...

Gesendet von meinem Galaxy Nexus mit Tapatalk 2
[TouchPad Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bo4e:
Could somebody please upload the boot sound of the HP TouchPad (I believe it's called "boot.mp3", and is in /usr/palm/sounds.)? I just love the way it sounds, and I can't find it anywhere on the internet! Thanks!
[HTC One X] johnl199:
If I search demolition inc or dark meadow directly on my phone on the play store, the game will not show up. If I click on the game on the web store, it'll open up the game and say "this app is not compatible with your device."

The games are both tegra 3 games, yet I can't use them on my tegra 3 device. What in the hell?
[HTC One X] Pointlol:
Actually I just managed to install dark meadow from the play store via my pc, thanks for the tip lol.
[HTC One X] oawalker:
Got annoyed when i couldn't install it from the phone but it works through the pc :)
[HTC One X] Mafiatounes:
There was a small problem when the game whas submitted, should work now through phone and pc. The dev told me this on twitter:thumbup:

I have to agree most apps & games still aren't optimised/compatible for our powerfull device wich is a big bummer
[HTC One X] Jenocyber:
Not sure if related but some of the apps in the store were down for a while and you couldn't find them and couldn't install them even though they were compatible, but it seems the Admins at Google Play fixed the problem now.