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[Android General] outcastrc:
That's phone dependent. I have a Nexus so I see those soft buttons. A phone with hard buttons would display differently.
[Android General] sterod:
Ok, good to know, but can an option be implemented to hide them on this AppRadio hack being developed? Seems like a waste of useable screen space for them to be there at all times.
[Android General] knives of ice:
Can't you just use an app or an option in a rom like aokp to hide your navigation bar?
[Android General] outcastrc:
You'd have to hide the buttons in the rom itself, as the deck is only mirroring what is being displayed. Custom roms may have this option. Stock android leaves the buttons up unless an app minimizes them (youtube, etc)
[Android General] theyownus:
I have been lurking here for awhile waiting for full android mirroring and control in the car. With the recent developemnts I have decided to jump on in. My SPH-DA100 is on the way (NIB on ebay for $355 w/free expedited shipping). Should have it and all accessories in time to install this weekend. Looking forward to donating and becoming a beta tester.
[Android General] sterod:
Galaxy S3

Has anyone with a Galaxy S3 tried the beta?

If so, I am wondering if I can use my official Samsung EPL-3FHU MHL->HDMI Adaptor that I have already purchased.

Or, if I need to use the $100 Pioneer Android connectivity kit with the Samsung EPL-FU10BEBSTD 11 -> 5 PIN MHL Converter

Thanks!
[Android General] bobkabob:
Just picked one up on eBay, depending on the status of this project when I get around to installing it, I'll be looking for someone to take my money!
[Android General] knives of ice:
I haven't hooked mine up yet but I asked the same thing the mhl adaptor yii have is fine you don't need the kit

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OK I will be installing my appradio this weekend just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything

Appradio

Wire harness

Wire kit to keep my steering wheel controls

HDMI

Mhl

Charger - I got one linked above that plugs into battery

Bracket

Anything else? I see people selling these parking brake kits what are those for? Also is installing the GPS even needed now that we have kill nanny and my phone GPS works perfectly?
[Android General] outcastrc:
You should install a toggle switch so you can flip the e-brake when it asks you to.
[Android General] knives of ice:
Why is that needed? With kill nanny we have full mirroring of our phones right? There aren't any restrictions anymore?
[Android General] outcastrc:
Depending on what your doing the deck may still ask you to engage / disengage the emergency brake. Having a way to fake it solves the problem should you run into it.
[Android General] sac430:
Any clue when the beta will be out that makes the files write-able on the phone? I'm rooted but I couldn't get the file write-able to use the first version of killnanny. thanks for all your work
[Android General] knives of ice:
Can you link me to the product I need? I have no idea there seems to be a few different products
[Android General] Karlos G:
I have not read the entire thread but will this also work on a Pioneer AVH 8400BT which has Advanced App Mode?

http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/25/109/281/AVH-8400BT/index.html

Also can it be made to work using the micro USB port on my phone as I don't have an MHL or HDMI?

Thanks!
[Android General] pauleverson:
Hi Kyle

Have just donated and am keen to Beta test for you.. I have been waiting for this project for months :)

Just wanted to also say that using the external GPS is really important for me. I know you intend to work on it but my phones GPS reception in my car is virtually unusable :)

Will feed back with bugs etc when I get the Beta software

Cheers,
[Android General] texbuck:
I donated on Kyle's site a couple of weeks ago. I'm going to have my appradio in this weekend and want to beta test this app as well. Kyle, it's apparent that you're a busy man, but could you spare a minute to shoot your app my way?

Thanks for all you're doing,

texbuck
[Android General] sterod:
When you do finally get it hooked up, can you confirm if it worked with the Galaxy S3 MHL->HDMI EPL-3FHU adaptor please?

I am holding off buying the 5 -> 11 Pin converter until I know for sure.

Thank You
[Android General] outcastrc:
I never saw it installed but as far as i know it's just a small switch that grounds the cable when you flip it.

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No, the Appradio 2 is the only android compatible deck they make. All the others are iphone only.
[Android General] v1tus:
you have to do that?

for me a car worshop installed the radio - and i never had such a prompt - did they remove it ?! or is it maybe a country based setting?!
[Android General] knives of ice:
well, i'm not certain what the correct answer is but the person who developed the kill nanny app said i won't need any type of ebrake switch if using kill nanny.
[Android General] theyownus:
Domation sent. excited to get the beta...

Confirmation number: 9FB67998T1669700T
[Android General] theyownus:
got the beta by email. Thanks.... now just hoping everything arrives by tomorrow so I can install Saturday!
[Android General] outcastrc:
Killnanny doesn't require ebrake checks but the deck itself can. I have to flip my switch often enough I would lose my mind if it wasn't installed or was actually attached to the deck. Using the Appradio app I was using the ebrake switch a lot more then I do now. Once the dust settles and the Killnanny app is stable hopefully I won't have to use the switch again.

So for me I'd have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.
[Android General] knives of ice:
damn...i guess i better get it then.

what exactly is it needed for anyways i really don't understand the whole thing.

plus, i'm not confident enough to install all this stuff myself so this is yet another part i'll have to pay a ridiculous install fee for.
[Android General] isantop:
A spool of wire and a toggle switch. Both can be had at radio shack for less than $10 total. Connect a wire to each side of the switch. Then, connect one wire to the terminal on your parking brake switch (it should be near or on the parking brake handle). Connect the other side to the car body, or a ground wire, or something. Basically, you want to bypass the actual switch. Then, install the AppRadio brake detector on the positive side of the brake switch wire (upstream of the tap). Now, whether you set the brake or flip the switch, either action will trigger the brake circuit.
[Android General] bobkabob:
I would not recommend installing the switch in this way, as it may illuminate the brake light annunciator in the dash whenever the radio was in bypass mode. However, I was working this out in my head while at work today (I work avionics on personal aircraft and used to be an auto mechanic):

The app radio needs to see voltage or ground. the +12V will tell the radio the parking brake is not engaged and 0V will tell the unit the brake is engaged. You can use a SPDT switch (mometary to B+ if you feel like getting fancy) to achieve this. In the diagram below you can connect the brake sense to the ACC position, power and ground to their respective places.

Using a momentary switch makes for a cleaner install. Have the switch normally send the radio a ground, parking brake enabled, signal. Then when the switch is pressed, it shoots the 12V, parking brake disengaged, signal to the unit, resetting the enable logic within the unit. When the button is released, it reestablishes the 0V brake enabled signal.

My thought is why mess with the actual brake circuitry if you're just bypassing it anyways? You can just run three wires (ensure the 12V is fused somewhere) right from the radio harness to the switch location.

If you want to get really fancy, you can also use a 555timer to one-shot a brake disengaged/engaged cycle at vehicle start-up so the radio will go into "video mode" right after starting. I don't have the unit yet so i don't know how often this switch would need to be pressed, but maybe having the first cycle a freebie could be a benefit.

EDIT: http://www.amazon.com/SPDT-BUTTON-SWITCH-ON-OFF-MOMENTARY-ON/dp/B006M6A8P8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2 This switch would be ok for my momentary idea.
[Android General] knives of ice:
I'm not going to be installing a bypass I can't do it myself no way...

http://www.amazon.com/Override-Auto...F8&qid=1348497146&sr=8-1&keywords=MicroBypass

Does this tool work?

Just so much conflicting info as to if this is needed and since I don't have the radio installed and don't know jack **** about car audio I'm lost.
[Android General] bobkabob:
Yes, those work, but they only cycle the power ground I mentioned above when the car is started/radio turned on. From what I am hearing from other users is that the radio requests the brake to be cycled repeatedly (someone who has one please confirm/deny this). By using the switch, you do not limit yourself to only the first 0V-12V-0V cycle to 'unlock' the video modes of the radio. by only using that, you would be forced to restart the car and/or radio, both of which would probably ruin what you were trying to do.
[Android General] outcastrc:
yah the deck requests to engage, disengage, engage...
[Android General] knives of ice:
This is what a poster on another forum says

The MicroBypass sold on Amazon and eBay works even with the latest software upgrade. I own a high-volume shop, and that is all we use. It is the relays sold on eBay that don't work with the new software. People were selling relays on eBay and making people turn on the car, turn off the car, then start the car to give the 8400 and AppRadio2 the "double pulse" needed... It seldom worked and Pioneers tech support was getting so many calls about this inferior method, that they changed the software. The old software "remembered" the last state in of the PB in a low power mode for about 15 min so the relay method worked... but now the new software "dumps" the last state of the PB at turn off. The easiest method is the MicroBypass because there is no programming like the TR7 requires, it uses less connections then the TR7, and it does the routine every time the radio is powered. Just my $.02

Thoughts?
[Android General] bobkabob:
How frequently? Does it do it when changing modes or is it only once?
[Android General] theyownus:
what specifically will cause the need for this bypass?

will just mirroring your phone using killnanny require a bypass?

i'm confused if this is something i will or will not need...
[Android General] outcastrc:
Honestly I can't really say, The e-brake switch is a requirement of the deck. When the deck thinks your trying to watch video it goes into a big spiel about being safe and engage, disengage, engage the parking brake.

As I understand it the app ARLiberator (killnanny) app gets around this by pretending that the deck is officially talking to it's own appradio app. So you shouldn't need it, but that being said I have beta tested the app prolly more then any person out there other then the developer and I still have to flip that switch too often. Hopefully when the dust settles and the apps stable we'll not have to anymore but I wouldn't want to get caught without a switch somewhere to flip if need be. If your asked to flip it and don't have it, what are you going to do, pull over and restart the car? That's worse then having it actually attached to the parking brake.
[Android General] theyownus:
thanks outcastrc... that was the info i needed.

I saw on the web where people were just grounding this wire, i wonder if that would work? - found accounts that this DOES NOT WORK

Guess I'll be going with a momentary switch. Looks like i have everything ready to start my install in the AM :)
[Android General] spx_trader:
grounding the wire works on some dvd units, I have a jvc and the wire is just grounded. It will NOT work on the US models of the appradio 2. It needs to the the brake on, off, on. the people you see grounding it have European models of the appradio 2. if yours was purchased in the US just a simple ground will not work.
[Android General] isantop:
Good point, but there's still a small problem with that. Running the setup like that, aren't you essentially causing a direct short between + and ground? That could get a bit melty.
[Android General] texbuck:
Acc is the common lead on the switch. It can be switched between power and ground. I had to look twice to see what was going on.
[Android General] BIGSIKE3:
Well the ARLiberator app is live and fully working so go get it guys!
[Android General] bobkabob:
Not as I have envisioned it. The radio will draw minimal current through the parking brake position wire, so as long as you wire the switch correctly (i.e., dont wire power/ground together or any derivative thereof) you will just send a logic high or low to the radio. Plus things don't get melty when they are fused, as I have also tried to convey the importance of.

If anyone wants a schematic of this or what I plan on doing with a switch AND the bypasses found on eBay or Amazon, let me know. Always happy to share.
[Android General] spx_trader:
You plan on using both? I'd like to see your schematic for it. I just ordered the radio and micro bypass. What's you reason for using both?
[Android General] bobkabob:
I want to use both so the radio is put into the valid , video pass, state when the car is first turned on. At that point, it should stay ready to go, but I want to be able to cycle the brake logic again if the deck requests it (I have a feeling from some of these posts it probably will). I'm currently at school, but when I get home I'll draw up a print for my plan. The deck comes in today as well, so I may even be able to post my completed "interface" harness tonight.
[Android General] bobkabob:
My plan for the brake bypass circuitry attached. ENJOY! :D
[Android General] theyownus:
I'm working out all the kinks and loving this software/radio but i have 2 questions guys

how to get multitouch working on the appradio? I was hoping to use "GMD GestureControl ★ root" app for easy shortcuts etc but even in maps or waze i cant multitouch.

also, and this might be the problem but i did not update the firmware on the radio. should I? will it break anything or is it recommended?

Thanks in advance!
[Android General] outcastrc:
Not sure on the multitouch, it would ultimately depend on if the deck can understand and send out multiple touches. If it's possible then I am sure it would be considered as an option if it's not too difficult.

8.17 is safe to install. After that deck firmware version we'll have to be careful of deck updates. It wouldn't surprise me if pioneer releases an update just to try to kill this project.
[Android General] theyownus:
Are you saying multi touch did not work for you either? This is an advertised feature of the appradio... I thought I had something wrong. Maybe only works for iPhone?
[Android General] kagronick:
The appradio supports two touches at once. The driver is wrote is for a single point touch screen. I will change to multitouch eventually but GPS and the playback controls are a higher priority.
[Android General] nightwinn:
kill nanny vs arliberator

What is the difference between Kill Nanny and ARLiberator? How is each one used? BTW thank you devs. I might have just found my next radio.:D
[Android General] kagronick:
Its the same thing. KillNanny was the code name. ARLiberator is the family friendly name.
[Android General] nightwinn:
Thanks for answering my question. I was starting to think one was installed on the phone and one installed on the radio.

Btw, instead of using a brake bypass switch, can I use the $20 relay on Amazon that works with the avh-8400bh?

Also, I spent hours reading up until 5 am looking for this, but is there a hack to remove all nag screens and even remove the need for a brake bypass?
[Android General] kagronick:
Theres none once you are connected with ARL. I have mine connected to my parking brake and its fine.
[Android General] idobref:
just got my adapter (EPL-FU10BEBSTD) and now my ATT Galaxy s3 finally works with my appradio, I immediantly downloaded the ARLiberator and everything seems to be working fine!

I guess I might have gotten a faulty adapter though because when i move the cable slightly the picture on the appradio unit flips between static and black screen...
[Android General] kagronick:
Nope. All the cheep MHL adapters do that. You just need one with a tighter connection or find a way to secure it in your car.
[Android General] idobref:
oh damn, i though EPL-FU10BEBSTD was a Samsung adapter and not some cheap Chinese piece of plastic?

Is there another alternative to that?

Also I've been noticing poor GPS connection, google maps has hard time finding my location and tracking it...
[Android General] -FuRBz-:
EPL-FU10BEBSTD is a 5-pin to 11 pin adapter

what brand is your actual mhl adapter/cable?
[Android General] idobref:
This is my setup

I have the official Android kit http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-CDAH200C-Appradio-Adapter-Android/dp/B007YCZT58

and the samsung EPL-FU10BEBSTD
[Android General] kagronick:
Wiggle the connections and see if you can find which one is loose. My S2 was definitely a little worn after a year of use. Sprint replaced it for free with the insurance on the phone. It definitely helped. Theres lots of people with S3s on http://appradioforums.com You could ask them.
[Android General] idobref:
Yeah, I will definitely work on it, but I've had the Galaxy nexus (which didn't require the special adapter) and I've never had issues with the connection, so It must be somewhere at the adapter.. not a biggie I can figure it out.

Whats more important is how to setup my phone in landscape mode because now when it switches to landscape all my widgets overlap eachother and its kinda of a mess ;)
[Android General] EvanVanVan:
Just a heads up I just noticed this thread over in apps and themes, don't know if it'll work with this but some one should try it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1934495

[APP] Turn screen off while MHL / HDMI mirroring / Downloading data
[Android General] gbcobra:
Anyone have any luck using ARLiberator available in Google Play on a rooted Razr running ICS with the AppRadio 2? I still seem to have the BT issues and ARLiberator never connects to the head unit.
[Android General] kagronick:
It will connect even if you aren't rooted. Start the connection process with the parking brake off. What happens when the AppRadio says connecting 75%?
[Android General] gbcobra:
BT will connect for a few moments and then disconnect. After that it keeps cycling and never connects. I am running the parking brake bypass in the radio. Every once in a while I can get the Pioneer AppRadio app to connect but in the 2 weeks I have had the radio that's only happened twice. BTW I have no issues connecting other BT devices to this phone (tablet, earpiece, OBDII scan tool).

I dont suspect an issue with the radio because my wife's iPhone connects instantly ever time.
[Android General] kagronick:
You're not running both apps at the same time right?
[Android General] gbcobra:
No. Uninstalled the Pioneer AppRadio completely.
[Android General] kagronick:
Most of the problems I see are with people using the parking brake bypass. It doesn't cause it not to connect. It just makes it harder to tell if you are connected.

But even if you have the parking break on it is easy to establish a reconnection. If ARLiberator has the blue lines scrolling on the bottom and it is in the "connecting" state. If you tap the screen a few times with the red x it will hook in and connect.

If you keep auto reconnect on then it will always be in the connecting or connected state.
[Android General] gbcobra:
Do you know of any specific BT issues between the Razr and AppRadio 2? The issues I am running into seem to all come back to BT related. I'll get the BT paring request on the phone but it goes away faster than I can click it. If I am able to catch it BT does connect but its very unpredictable. I don't think its related to the parking brake because my wife's iPhone connects flawlessly every time.
[Android General] Digital69:
pioneer contest

not sure if you saw this but...

welp cant post a link but pioneer is having a contest for appradio app's go to the youtube channel for the video or

/watch?v=nlOPK8NQ-GQ

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ok sorry but I am a nub at android hacking..

I want to make a android based car computer but at the same time I do not want to lose am/fm and common controls of a head unit so appradio right now is looking like the best interface for me.

I have a droid x 2 but I have no more service with it since I use my xoom tablet and a pocket wifi hotspot for inet and I use skype to make phone calls.. I am a cheap butt so I hate paying 200 a month for smart phones for me and my wife when I can pay 35 for inet.

rather than do a dock/undock phone or tablet I would like to make a android computer to do this.. I know that via has that mobo but seems gimped. I see all these dev board but kinda lost on them... I would like something that has abot same specs as my xoom... card slot/ gps/ accelerometer/ wifi/ usb/ 12v power or something I can convert from 12v./ something that can run newer 4.0/ something that boots quickly like a phone with no user fiddling with it..

now I thought about putting a small 12v recharge battery inline to help when I power off the car it will run on batt for 15min then I hope it would sense voltage drop and auto shutdown like phones and when the car is turned on it would be like a charger and boot up..

biggest thing is line in and out etc.. I need to use skype for calls..

I think this software can help me bridge the gap to from a box to app radio and so that why I am asking here because I see it will work on phones but does anyone think its possible with alike a dev board...

any help would be badass... any help on hardware would rock! my area gets hot and if i keep a phone in my car I would have to tear it down and fan it up or it will overheat and I am wanting to not do this..
[Android General] Dblfstr:
[YOUTUBE]nlOPK8NQ-GQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Android General] andypa1:
Hi guys, you seem to be the experts at the app radio 2 so I hope you don't mind me posting in here.

I'm in the market for a double din unit and I'm tempted to get one of these. Originally the plan was just to get an ordinary unit to play music off my old ipod but I'm wondering if this is a better option.

Can anyone tell me if its possible to have a customised background on the unit boot screen/background?

Has anyone got the note 2 to work using ARLiberator?

How does APRLiberator work when you receive a phone call? I would need it to use the handsfree microphone and be on loud speaker.

I've always clung to using this old ipod to keep all my music with me, but perhaps its time to get a 64gb micro sd and take the task of organising it on here.

heard such awful things about the appradio 2 I don't really want to buy a duffer when I could just get a nice basic kenwood unit with full bluetooth.

Many thanks,

Andy

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Sorry looks like it will work with the Note 2, and there seems to be an app mix function built into the device so I can have satnav on the screen from the note2, while listening to ipod audio.

Is it true that it takes up to 2 minutes for the bluetooth to connect the phone to the appradio every time you get in the car? That would be enough to put me off.

Cheers
[Android General] 1miracle2:
I don't know if the iPod and satnav mix combo works but I know the radio and anything else my phone has up works simultaneously.

As for it taking 2 minutes. Not true at this point. Usually takes about 30 seconds or less. StackTrase is working hard on improving the address book issue.

Gotta say it works pretty great now, a/minor hickups
[Android General] tyguy829:
Is this what you guys are looking for?

play DOT google DOT com /store/apps/details?id=com.kyle.arliberator&hl=en
[Android General] -FuRBz-:
AR Liberator has been out for a while- use it on my car all the time