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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Gotta love conspiracy theories. Samsung's announced publically which devices are being upgraded. All the Tab's except the original 7" are on the list. This just came out yesterday. I have never seen carrier devices updated before unbranded devices so the question isn't "if," it's still "when."

Samsung details Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades for American carriers

By Mat Smith posted Apr 24th 2012 8:50AM

Samsung has published a list detailing which carrier variants of its phones and tablets will be blessed with Android Ice Cream Sandwich. While Sprint's Nexus S 4G is already enjoying the latest Android OS, the update will also arrive on the Now Network's Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch. From Verizon, both the Galaxy

Tab 10.1

and Galaxy

Tab 7.7

will get the upgrade, accompanied by the WiFi variants of the Galaxy

Tab 7.0 Plus

and the Galaxy

Tab 8.9

.

On AT&T, ICS is confirmed for its Galaxy S II, the Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Galaxy Note, Captivate Glide, Nexus S and Galaxy

Tab 8.9

. T-Mobile customers, however, lack a similarly breathless list of upgradable hardware, instead Samsung says it will aim to upgrade "eligible devices" in the coming months and will "provide updates as we have additional details to share." Which all sounds like those updates aren't coming to Big Magenta any time soon. Samsung vows to update the list with more details as they arrive, which is available at the source below.

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Not without a lot of work. The Tab 2 is OMAP and to drive costs down who know what they did with the radios and other components. It's the drivers that are slowing down ICS development on the 10.1 and I'd guess the drivers in the Tab2 might not be a lot of help.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] fraz82:
I think that's more to do with the carrier approval process, and extensive testing for network compatibility and debugging which has nothing to do with the wifi only galaxy tab 10.1.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] mickfitz:
I've given up waiting for official ics and giving my 10.1 away to a friend.

I'll never buy another Samsung product again.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] droiduzr2:
I find that it makes Samsung look cheap when they can not properly support their products and keep to a timeline.

They have known about ICS since GB yet it seems it's NEW information to them.

This lack of strong support makes it seem like 2 guys are the only ones working in Samsung's basement or RnD department

How the hell do they release the Note which is NEW yet running GB...lol

And they wonder why the icraps dominate market share.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] MrSewerPickle:
This is probably the best way to handle the frustration. Samsung's sole primary focus is quarterly revenue so just not buying their products is an excellent way to make them change and quite possibly the only way.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] adamski123:
Lool yeh I'm selling my gtab aswell. Gonma pick up a Asus tf pad 300 :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] tallgrasshawk:
Which, to me, makes the lack of updates even more ridiculous. If we can have some college kids in their spare time building very good, stable, roms...how can it take a company like Samsung so long to release an update?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TabGuy:
I'm selling my couch. It hasn't had any upgrades in the 3 years that I've had it. I'm mad as hell and not gonna take it any more. And, it cost 4 times as much as my Galaxy Tab so you can imagine how mad I am at the manufacturer. I'm never buying their products ever again.

**Picture me stomping my feet with my fists clenched and eyes squeezed shut**

But wait. My wife says to me, "Honey, the couch still does what you bought it to do. Let's keep it."

Geez, did she have go and be so logical just when I had a my child-like pout going?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] badogg:
As funny as that is, you are spot on. My Gtab 10.1 works just fine on HC3.2. I have the option to run an ICS Rom. I am perfectly fine being patient for the OTA.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] eXplicit815:
Just got a 4G Verizon 10.1 GTab from work today. Not surprised to see the same conversations happening here that I see on the EVO 3D boards.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] phat78boy:
If there was a manufacturer that did yearly cushion upgrades, I think you would be pretty upset if yours didn't.

Apple has raised the bar in customer satisfaction AFTER the purchase and many companies are struggling to keep up. They have thrived on the user experience throughout the products life cycle, while many companies are still only giving you the product. While that business operating scheme may have worked in the past, companies like Sony know it doesn't work anymore.

Delaying updates on perfectly good hardware because you are trying to push your new hardware will simply turn people off and send them elsewhere now. That is exactly what you are seeing with most manufacturers. The first one to realize this, besides Apple, will do quite well in the future.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Digital Man:
Well, this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy: Sony Tablet S gets ICS today.

Thats TODAY. Not, some unspecified time in the future, not soon, not next month, not when pigs fly or when hell freezes over and the flying pigs are turned into pig popsicles. Actually today. Go figure. http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/26/sony-tablet-s-gets-a-wedge-of-ice-cream-sandwich/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] UKseagull:
Thanks, you made me chuckle. :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] eXplicit815:
You've seen police helicopters, right?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] bbeelzebub:
The leaked Verizon update list on Droid - Life shows an OTA for their GT 10.1 for 5/03. Whether it be ICS or a bug fix, who knows....

Make of it what you will.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Towle:
Samsung replied to one of my Facebook posts yesterday saying "we are working closely with Google to create an update for the p7510"... That's BS, Samsung has everything they need from Google. So obviously it's not close to a release from their reply.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] twimon:
got me

i really thought it was a bug on my screen!!!!!!!! Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Just_Another_N00b:
It could be that some drivers for the p7510 (camera?) give some issues with the ICS port. As I said in another post: it looks to me that the relationship between Samsung and Google has degraded a bit and Samsung has been demoted from preferred customer to somewhere in the middle of the pack. As the specs of the Tab and Tab 2 do not differ that much it would be easy to release both ICS's at the same time. Marketing could be holding back the upgrade, or just some issue-resolution could be at the back of this...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jvillaro:
**** that... My mom called me to ask if it was ok to go ahead and do an "upgrade thingie" to her Sony Tablet S, when I asked her to be more specific and she told me "it's something like system version 4.0.3..." I almost broke my phone in rage hahaha

**** my mom got ICS before me hahaha Thank you Samsung I despise you!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ronaldo5285:
It's funny to have you mention about Apple. Did apple allow Siri to run on other devices? Or they just use it so that they can sell more 4S? And for updates, have you try to update your iDevices from 5.0 to 5.1? Can you see any different?

I know a lot people got frustrated because "even my mom have ICS now". But you can ask any friend of you who have Galaxy S2, they was crying for ICS also. When S2 have the update, they all get excited, but after a few days they realize that it cannot transform their S2 into S3. Asked them how much it have changed and their reply is "don't know, but it's great to be updated with the latest Android build". That's all. Although you can see that usually, Android updates have much more features changed in compare with iOS.

I think many people was like, just ICS, what is a big deal, a lot of devices already have it. Even some hobbyist developer can do it so what take Samsung so long to make it. But things are not as simple as you may have thought. Because what Samsung need to deliver to us is not just ICS. It is another version of ICS that fully customized, optimized for your devices. The more customization, the more work need to be done. And that why some devices with less customization got update first. Even if they have done the work with the customization, optimization, there are still plenty of things for they to do: testing and improve the firmware until it get to the satisfaction level. For example in Galaxy S Froyo update, There was plenty of leak builds in this XDA forum, and a few months after the first Samsung's Froyo Firmware leak before Samsung released the official build to everybody. Xda-developers always have statement like "Flash at your own risk" but Samsung cannot say so. Xda-developer can release build even daily but Samsung cannot do so. It would be very bad if everyone need to update their devices after a short time. The stability is also a very big issue, there are no point to have ICS but when you try to do something simple, it go wrong...

My 2 year olds Galaxy S still have update last month so I think it is not like Samsung totally forgot the customers after they have sold the device.But yes, I think Samsung could pleased us more if they hire more man power to providing updates (but i think there are no point to move man power from new device development to update development, the fact is new firmware work best with new hardware). I hope with the great profit they've just made last quarter, they should invest more in that area to give their customers more satisfactory.

I'm still waiting for the ICS but I think there are no point to be pissed off because it's haven't came yet. I still can use my tablet now. But I will be really pissed of if Samsung deliver it poorly, buggy, laggy..., they should better make it worth the wait.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] phat78boy:
You are not comparing like items. Featured software is independent of OS upgrades IMHO. The original iPhone was upgraded many years after it had stopped being sold. Yes there is a point where updates will be too advanced for hardware, but Apple's track record is quite good for a typical phone life cycle of 2-3 years. Is there any way you see the Evo getting upgraded to ICS? No, yet that's exactly what Apple has done product after product.

The after sale experience is something severely lacking and I hope one of these Android manufacturers will get it someday soon. With HTC consolidating their phone line, it could be the first step to a better post sale user experience.

Trust me, I have no love for Apple and their products. I do, however, admire how they design their products from an end user view point. They realize that they can charge a premium up front, because their product will be updated/supported for years to come. Besides the Nexus line, no other Android line is even close.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] sasquatch080:
That was awesome! Still lmao!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] badogg:
Well to be fair just because there is an update for a device doesn't mean it is a good thing. For example, my I pod touch 2ND gen got an OS update, 4 I think it was, and the damn thing is almost useless it lags so bad and constantly losses wifi. so being that the HC 3.2 Samsung works really good on my GT10.1 I'm not crying about ics for it out my rezound. :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] LiverpoolFCfan:
If you only produced a handful of products a year it would be easy to keep up support in this way - and the less you produce the faster you can update each.

Samsung probably produce more phones in a year than Apple has done iPhones/iPads/Ipods in their lifetime.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] phat78boy:
I agree that less models are easier to support. I believe that is something many manufacturers are now seeing and currently trying to figure out how to proceed. HTC decided to flatten out their lineup and hopefully we will see the benefit from that.

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I understand that not all updates are equal, but atleast you have the option.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xTONEx:
I'm just confused as to why the io gtab hasn't gotten the update... It's not cause of customizations
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TabGuy:
/rant on

Wrong. That's YOUR opinion. Don't assume everyone thinks the same way.

I have a Home Theater PC using Windows 7, Media Center and a cable card tuner for TV. It's stable, runs as expected and there's absolutely, positively no need to update it. Period. I haven't applied Windows updates in over 12 months. Now, before you get on a high horse about that being dangerous, it's not. The PC never sees the Internet directly and the browser is never used.

It never fails and upgrades won't improve my experience.

The ONLY Apple product that I own is a circa 2006 iPod. APPLE HAS NEVER, EVER, SENT AN UPGRADE TO THE SOFTWARE FOR THAT IPOD. Apple is a poor example.

In your opinion, of course. I believe your opinion to be wrong. I own a Tab and in my family there are four of us that own Samsung Galaxy Nexus phones. I can GUARANTEE you that, other than me, none of my family members know about or give a rats ass about the ICS upgrade delay that the Nexus community is up in arms about.

Yes, there's a development community that cares about this stuff, but that number is so small and infinitesimal to be insignificant. Samsung could lose EVERY one of these as customers and it wouldn't put a hiccup in their sales numbers. Samsung is BIG, very BIG and the development community is SMALL, very SMALL.

Samsung thinks in terms of hundreds of millions of customers. The development community is in the tens of thousands.

Quit living in a world where you think your opinion matters to Samsung. It doesn't. They care about the hundreds of millions that don't give a rats ass about upgrades.

/rant off
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Panos_dm:
+1000 for that! One of the best posts. I know about 10 people with android phone and only one knows what rooting is!!!!!!! I'm sure that (if and) when Samsung release ICS almost everyone in here will turn to cm9... The only thing most of you (us) want, are the camera drivers...:-P What I am saying is that if we could have an AOSP or cm fully working, there would be a lot less posts regarding official update...

And to conclude I want to say that an ICS update will not make our tabs fly or something...BUT transition from android x.y to android z.q is much more obvious and different than iOS 5 to 5.1... Don't confuse apple updates with Google's...

Thanks for reading my 2 cents!

Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jojokaizer:
Yes, and its people like you who allow Samsung to ass rape all the people who cares or wants a smoother experience on android. No one needs any updates, lets just pump hardware out and stop support for it. If you are dumb enough to believe that's how it should be.... I guess no one can help you. -1000 for ****ing the community.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Digital Man:
Ah geesh! TabGuy has convinced me. Sold my tab 10.1 today and dusted off my Philips Nino.

All this upgrade sh*t is just crap which, come to think of it, is somewhat redundant.

For all you kids out there who never had the joy of owning one, here's the lowdown on this tech marvel: http://www.pcworld.com/article/7623/philips_nino_welldesigned_handheld.html

And if TabGuy is jealous, I'll sell it to him for half price!! Best yet, its the original monochrome version.....oooooooo pretty cool huh?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] phat78boy:
I guess you could call it my opinion, but when Apple is sitting on more cash reserves then any other business in the US...I would say my opinion is the majority one.

I can see why no one knows about Android updates besides us geeks, look how many devices actually have it. Most Android manufacturers wouldn't tell anyone about an Android update if they had it there way and that is exactly my point. After the initial sale, your pretty much dead to them.

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I'm not comparing Android and Apple updates, just the fact that one gets regular updates and the other doesn't.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] mongoboy:
forget

ics hehe, android, linux...forget. yesterday was linux, today android, but windows always on top. windows ce will dominate mobile devices.. linux is dead, android will be next. no way .keep dreamin
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Just_Another_N00b:
Tomato - Tomatoe

I think this remark does not add any value to the discussion, so please keep on the issue of the thread. (Personally I think you are wrong)

It is a shame that Samsung dropped back from leader of the pack, even with new releases they are not that far ahead anymore (if ever), and I am sorry to see this delay of something they should have released according to original schedule.

Or just a simple explanation would help. I am willing to load any ICS Rom, as long as the camera is working 100%. That is my reason for reacting in this thread.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Towle:
Really? Windows has been making smartphones longer than Google, and they are still tailing behind. For one thing, they have no app support, and that alone will kill them.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] L33t Masta:
So? Apple is still supporting the iPhone 3GS which is almost 3 years old now. It gets the same updates as the other phones (maybe a few features removed because it is a bit older and slower) and at the EXACT same time as the other phones. You don't see any of what we've seen with the Galaxy tab. I just got my Tab 10.1 3G and I love it. I sold my HP TouchPad and now I really think this is the way to go. If Samsung doesn't update it for ICS then we have the CM9 ROMs and we'll have a working camera at least because of the drivers from the wifi only Tab. I'm alright with this. I keep an iPhone because of it's updates and I keep an Android tablet for messing around with.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Panos_dm:
Well, the iphone is like the nexus series. Hence the updates. If ios was available to a number of different devices, from different manufacturers, there would be exactly the same fragmentation problem. Of course official support is essential, but we have something that apple doesn't: Xda is a developer forum. Most of us will turn to cm. And even if Samsung won't support the tab (which I doubt it), then we still have the community. My Samsung galaxy 3 was qualified for 2.2 by Samsung, but we have a working cm7 and cm9 porting in progress...All thanks to Xda. That is the power of an open platform...Even if the companies won't give us updates, we create our own, which sometimes are way better..Now try THAT on your phones fanboys...:-P It's ok if you keep your phone for the updates but I personally prefer developing from updating.

Peace...:-)

Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] phat78boy:
Your right, device fragmentation is a huge problem and one they don't care about. That is more the point of frustration then anything else. Its a business model, and one that Apple is proving is an outdated way of thinking.

Old way of thinking was to put out new and improved hardware as fast as possible. The new way is to limit the amount of hardware released, but extend support for the hardware longer. By doing this, you create brand loyalty and extend post hardware sales through accessories and your app store.

None of us is arguing the power of community here, its amazing. Its just upsetting that the community can put out updates faster then the manufacturer who built the hardware. I know testing and release schedules, etc...but its still way too much time IMHO.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] DT3CH:
Just thought Id leave this here

http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/04/30/s...de-will-be-available-today-on-select-devices/

The tab is in the list of devices (obviously) but maybe it will be sooner then later in the quarter....
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Panos_dm:
Soooo in theory we might be able to have a system dump tonight?? :-)

Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] DT3CH:
LOL definitely in theory, Im hoping for today but expecting the end of the quarter :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Panos_dm:
Well, yes. STRICTLY theoretically speaking....after all it's Samsung!!!

Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TabGuy:
Sigh. I guess my message went on deaf ears. People like me, or you, have no say in what we "let" Samsung to do. They're big, very big. People like us aren't even heard.

What I do, what you do, means nothing to Samsung. Nothing. With that in mind it's very illogical to get emotional and rant about what Samsung does or doesn't do. You should buy the device and either like it or move on to something else that you like better.

But never purchase the device for what you expect manufacturer to do in the future. That would be poor decision making. And, it takes control away from you and puts it in their hands.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] samwest39:
samsung jest told me the us update will be here in this or next week
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hopesfall19:
i have a korean tab 10.1 and kies updated from 3.2 to...3.2

i believe homescreen changing is smoother now - using TW with the multipicture Wallpaper-app.

the korean apps were again on the tab, root was gone (but superuser still on it) and also CWM is gone. reroot was easy with the root.zip.

hope it was a kind of preparing the tab for ICS
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] liemydude:
http://www.embedded.com/electronics...Offers-Android-4-0-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-Upgrade

Canada eh?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] RustyTrombone:
There was a leaked Verizon update schedule out already. It has the Verizon tab OTA being pushed on 5/03. You would think the wifi ICS would be released before then... hmm..
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Ansextra:
Damn! I just threw my REX 6000 away! ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] badboy47:
about time :mad:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Just_Another_N00b:
Palm?

Still got a non-functioning Palm Pilot IIIx for ya. Just needs a mallet to get it working, but works just fine as doorstopper :D ...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] uh60james:
Update size seems too small.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Joe T:
+1, I thought the same thing.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jojokaizer:
You're the reason why we live in a world that's heading to its death. Nothing matters, we are just individuals who make no difference in anything. Why is it so wrong to expect the future of a product you purchase? Actually many people base their reason to buy purely on the life of their device. Why is apple so popular? Support, they have one of the best support of any company I know. You can think what you want, I will change for the better by not buying another product from Samsung.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ghostboa:
Wait. So Tabguy is the devil!?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] sunixsun:
I havn't see the ics from samsung

today is 2012-05-02,but I havn't see the ics from samsung.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Just_Another_N00b:
He did not mention what month, or even what year... :)

But it should be here 'soon' for the SGT. Not sure if the 7500 is included in this.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TabGuy:
jojo,

Relax. This is just a technology gadget, it's not a cause. There is life outside of a gadget. It's just a tool to get work done, not a lifestyle. Obsessing doesn't change anything.

If the world is heading to its death it's because too many worry about objects instead of other people.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jojokaizer:
I wouldn't say it obssessing, more so fighting for the better of the community. Every little bit counts. Do I need this update? No. Do I need a tablet? No.... but if i do get one, I'd like it to be supported through its life cycle. Every tablet before the tab as gotten ics, even ones that came months after. If you think this is OK because a small amount of people won't sway their opinion, then maybe it's OK not to vote? Or litter if the garbage is small enough? Its the principles, not the obssession to have an update.