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[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
It is plenty for my apps, but not plenty for movies or large games or other large files. You have to remember that as displays become higher resolution, each image must be larger. This leads to larger apps and larger rom zips. For example, on the iPad (which I hate, but this is a statistic I know), app sizes after the 4K iPad 3 screen was released were increased by ~700%. iMovie, which was ~70-80 mb, became ~400-500mb. So, just because 16 gigs was plenty on your wvga epic, doesn't mean that it will be plenty on a 720p, 768p, or 1080p device. Sizes constantly increase. 1 megabyte used to be a ton. Eventually, people filled that up and later, people needed a gigabyte. After that, people needed 100 gigs, then 250, then 500, then 750, then 1000 (a terabyte), and all the way on to 6tb, and eventually, terabytes will be equivalent to todays gigabytes, and later to megabytes or kilobytes.

Just some food for thought.
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
I don't think you do get the point if that is your thought process. These limits only started presenting themselves this year when companies started embedding things en mass. With big gig cards giving us the ability to have that kind of local storage, why would I want to rely on the cloud for access when I can have it local? Because I can pay $200 more for a phone and save on my monthly bill? These are work devices for many. Productivity and convenience is a bit more important. If your phone is just a phone and not relied on for work, it's a different story. The key is you buy to your needs first and wants second.

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I'm picking up what you're putting down, but I thought we were talking about removable storage. 16gb on board for apps and 64gb in the hopper for movies, files, roms and everything else. And having to drop an extra $100 to get 32gb of storage is a huge ripoff. For $40 you can get a Sandisk 64gb class 10 card. You can really minimize reliance on the cloud with removable storage.
[Epic 4G General] mark8503:
My nexus⁴ battery life, stock ROM, stock kernel:
[Epic 4G General] flastnoles11:
I get better than that with my 2 year old epic! Lmao

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[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
I like to think of the nexus4 as a sort of entry phone. Pure Google on a budget. Wasn't it Google's plan to have each manufacturer produce its own nexus device?
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
The cloud will be amazing when Internet speeds catch up. If I had google fiber speeds of 1Gb/s, I would hardly even need much local storage assuming that coverage was everywhere, but I don't, so I do. I think that Google is pushing less storage on the Nexus (and possibly to other manufacturers) because guess who makes money off of the cloud? Google! The cloud is incredibly impractical for people on 3G with speeds at 1 Mb/s and under. The cloud is the future, but local is the past and present.
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
These are the same talks we had when the Pre hit the shelves and Palm ditched the card slot. I'm not resistant to living a bit in the cloud, but that's not the point. Companies are removing functionality to the detriment of the consumer, plain and simple. I don't care what battery charts show. I don't care if I have gigabit speeds. I have the capability to store locally and sync when needed. Why would I not want to store locally if I can? Why would I not want immediate access if I can have it, if the technology is there?

The funnier thing is none of those changes have benefited the consumer in any way. Embedding the battery saves space over a removable one. So did they maximize the battery? No. Just look at Motor maxx phones and then look at their standard phones. The batteries are truly anemic. All in the name of thinness. It's just as dumb as the mega pixels wars the camera mfg's dived into. Who really cares who has the thinnest phone? If you need to make a Maxx phone, why not do your best to put a bigger battery in your standard phones. Battery size and life is obviously a selling feature, and apparently an important one since they created the Maxx.

If you're fine with the gimped phones, and they work for you, great. But don't try and discount the features your phone lacks by showing battery charts and telling someone to go buy a laptop and live in the cloud. I didn't create these limitations, the company who's phone you bought did. And the feature limitations being accepted are the same ones we trashed the iphone over back in the day. But now it's okay.

And even if I can download at gigabit speeds, why should I have to? Key word is "have"? Why should I have to use my data (generally speaking since mot everyone has unlimited data) to constantly download files I could otherwise keep local? Everybody wants us in the cloud so we consume more data and use more of their services. They do this yet carriers also come out and tell us to use more Wifi. Sprint even has an optimizer app to steer us off their network whenever possible so we conserve their data usage. So we can get steered to the cloud by selling us limited hardware, but we should only use data and the cloud when it's profitable for them.

Where does the consumer win? Well, outside the fact that 5yrs ago who'd thought we'd have 4 & 5+ inch high definition screens, quad core cpu's and gpu's, playing console worthy games, streaming hd content, connecting phones to hd displays, wirelessly sending music and video to playback devices, remote accessing computers over the net, and so forth and so on. I would never have thought my monochrome Kyo 6030 Palm phone would become a Galaxy Note2 just over a decade later (right time frame?).

Sent from your 18yr old daughter's room
[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
This is exactly what I've been saying. I fear the android community may be adopting some of the very traits it blasts the isheep for. Very well said dbpaddler
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
and even in a loss, your boys' defense propelled me to a 1 point win in only my 2nd FFL win all season. Only one win behind the Eagles...ugh.
[Epic 4G General] flastnoles11:
I'm 10-2 so far this year... needless to say, I'm pretty happy... :D

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[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
Our defense is the silver lining to the humongous cloud covering all of Steeler Nation right now.
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
At least you have a silver lining. Andy is done. Vick is done. Folds, the backup, has looked lackluster in his two starts, one of the top 3 running backs is out for the remainder of the year. What we call our top receiver is out, the offense line has more holes than a screen door and the dbacks and safetys would have a hard time covering a high school team at this point. Our silver lining is a new head coach and high draft pick next year. I couldn't even sell my tix for $100/pr last night.
[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
What do you think of the release of Babin?
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
Long overdue.
[Epic 4G General] jworkcoo:
I'm torn between getting the Nexus 4 or Note 2. A part of me want the Nexus because it would be off contract but what happens if your phone breaks.....??? Atleast if I'm with Sprint, I would have some protection. But if I get the Nexus 4 and something happens, I would be stuck with having to pay another $349....What do you guys think about this?
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
D: none of the above

Go with the sprint optimus g. It is close to having aosp (which will be the same as the nexus 4). Now, all we have to do is fix the kernel a bit. Shelnutt2 and I are currently battling errors since we're merging the optimus g and nexus 4 kernels. The optimus has a nicer design (in my opinion), lte, a better camera, and 32 gigabyte storage (rather than 8 or 16 on the nexus). The note 2 is nice, but its build quality is a bit weaker, its processor is weaker, and its radios are worse.
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
Battery life on the note 2 is stellar. The spen is nice. You can put down the radios and build quality but the radios are still noticeably better than epic and are as good as the photon q at least in the Philly area. I don't see knocking the build quality. Fit and finish is fine. Feels great in the hand. The processor knock is slight. So what if it's. Better. You say it like the quad exynos is bad. Haven't done a thing to cause it to hiccup yet, and my niece plays games on it quite a bit. And don't discount the replaceable battery and expandable storage as well. Not to mention there is some good development well underway as well.

Sent from your 18yr old daughter's room
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
The quad exynos is definitely a decent chip, and at the moment, there is not a major difference in performance between the two chips, however, as phones become better performing, the OS evolves to become more demanding. For example, the epic could run gingerbread beautifully, but ICS and JB are more demanding, so it doesn't run those as well. The same thing could happen to the Note 2 in 2 years with the way the Android OS evolves.
[Epic 4G General] jworkcoo:
Forgot about the Optimus G.....hmmmm....May be a option....I haven't held a Note 2 yet so sort of afraid of the size.....I heard the Nexus 4 glass back is prone to breaking.....very easily....As long as the Optimus G have a good group of developers on here like the epic, I may pick one up....I don't know...
[Epic 4G General] mark8503:
Optimus G has a glass back same as the nexus4. The note 2 is awesome, I work at Best Buy mobile and every time I sell one I feel a little bit closer to buying one myself lol. If I were gonna choose between two contract phones it would be note 2 and HTC droid DNA. Since you're in this forum I'm guessing you're on sprint so the DNA might not be an option for you. You should hit up your local best buy or sprint store and feel the optimus and note 2 in your hands, might help you make a decision. IMO the note 2 is definitely not "too big", you can still hold it in one hand.
[Epic 4G General] MeetFace:
Every day I own my Note 2 it seems less big and all other phones render themselves more puny. I love it, couldn't be happier.

sent from my ginormous Note II
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
If you have a class 10 and a good one at that you won't have a problem, and Onboard storage regardless is faster than SD cards. But when in twine a 16 and 64 you have 80GB of storage.

As far as how much memory is needed those who game will you tell you that an SD Card is needed I play GTA 3, Soon to come GTA VC, NOVA 3, Mass Effect, Modern Combat, Etc... those game data takes a hit and adds up. I have just about 10GB for pictures, and videos only. So that means I only have 6GB left if I only were to have 16GB on board.

Exactly, but then the fault of servers crashing, internet drops, blackouts, etc... Just like saying a Hand written document holds more value than a digital copy.

I felt to me IMHO that it misses that X factor, and it looks like a damn iPhone. Build quality is just as good its like this the G is like a 1950's steel car. They had less damage but more internal damage when hit. Where as the Note 2 is 2012 car where it gets hot the outside takes a hit rather than the internals.

Note 2 is easy to use one hand holds it other navigates with fingers or s-pen. Use flygrip and its even easier watch QBKing77's video on it with the note 2
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
I picked up the Note 2 two weeks ago and absolutely love it. You get used to and accustomed its size quick. It blazes thru anything i throw at it, and battery life is unparalleled. I can go for days without charging. I've had 8 hours screen on time while download gigs of data over 4g and still have 50% still left in the tank. I don't see myself every getting a smaller phone in the future after owning this phone. I'm almost 6'7" so that also might be a factor but all my friends that have played with my phone love it, a couple of them went out and bought one after they had some hands on time and realize it's size it totally manageable. I highly recommend the Note 2.
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
A video demonstration showing off some of the beastly power of the Note 2.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9nh2NSLgaII
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
Saw a note 2 last night at the bar. Looks ridiculous every time I see it. Nexus 4 and optimus g are as big as I can deal.
[Epic 4G General] tbob18:
That is pretty cool.. Would be a lot better if he adjusted the DPI to match that screen though, UI elements are wayyy too big.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
Made the switch to N4 and T mobile $30 prepaid plan. This phone is a beast and the Dev community is huge compared to this.

N4 16GB = $350

T mobile prepaid = $30 per month

No contract, no subsidized price, freedom to switch to any GSM carrier anytime, super fast HSPA+ data speeds, first to get nexus updates, list goes on...

Not one regret other than wishing I had switched sooner.

Truly Epic deal!
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
So the brand spanking new N4 has a bigger dev community than a 2 1/2yr old antiquated phone? Shocker. ;)

I think LTE is overrated and most of the time things are quick enough on hspa and hopefully evdo advanced. I rarely used wimax except for downloading and video streaming which was 10% off the time, give or take. With HSPA, you have less reason to need lte.

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[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
Yes, even in epic's prime. But that should be of no surprise for people in the know, just putting that out there for who don't. :thumbup:

But yes I agree the term LTE is overrated, people who base their phone purchases on that criteria are seriously not looking at data speeds. HSPA+21/48 easily surpass WiMax and match LTE from ATT/Verizon.
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
I would hope it eclipses the epic's development. It's a worldwide phone. I think the user base is slightly larger than the Epic's ever was.
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
The N4 is a really nice phone. I need more storage, 16 gigs just doesn't cut it for me. Having glass on both sides also seems like a bad idea, one which the iPhone learned the hard way. For those reasons I got the Note. I use the s pen a lot more than i thought I would too. I'm in technical sales and engineering. The pen works great for taking pictures and marking them up with notes.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
All that plus the fact that the N4 doesn't support USB OTG. Their manuals said it did, but its been changed now to say it doesn't.

Posted by Mr. Z's Galaxy S3.
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
I was at a T mobile store today, and someone had an N4 trying to get tech support because he said his data speeds were terrible. He did a speed test there and I can confirm that they were. He got less than 1meg down. I was standing right next to him and I was getting 12meg. Tmobile doesn't offer support for the N4.
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
I doubt they don't offer support for a phone they sell subsidized. And its probably just bad in your area.
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
well, i got my note 2 and i love it. the large screen does indeed make up for no HWKB. i can hold it in portrait and type pretty fast with two thumbs or hold it one handed and flow it up with the swiftkey beta.
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
Welcome to the Note 2 Club! I no longer miss the physical keyboard, between the massive screen and swype I wouldn't ever go back. I wasn't impressed with Swift keys version of swype. Flow seems very clunky to me. Hopefully they will resolve these issues as I've paid for the pro version. I absolutely love this phone, hands down the best portable device I've ever owned. I'm impressed by it every day that I've owned it, which is going on one month next week.
[Epic 4G General] Modoru:
Man, I'm still rocking my epic. I don't think I'll be switching until another slider worth getting comes around.
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
Hate to say it but you might be rocking the epic forever as phones like the epic are a dying breed. Manufactures produce what the public wants. Unfortunately most don't want the added bulk created by physical keyboards, not to mention most have already become accustomed to touch screen input. I loved my epic, and the physical keyboard, but once I started using swype I no longer see a need for it. the only physical keyboard phones in the foreseeable future will be mid level phones hardly worth spending money on when compared to what is available. The epic is an awesome piece of aging cell phone technology tho, but the days of me missing the physical keyboard are in the past.
[Epic 4G General] MeetFace:
+1

I think the physical keyboard is becoming more of a niche. Putting my note in my pocket was just as intrusive as my epic. It's a heck of a lot longer/wider, but it's half the thickness (-ish =]).

The non-keyboard market is MUCH more broad. So they can suit to the barebones (I want it free), mid-level, performance, etc market pools.

With small "physical keyboard or die" market pool, they have to try and make a phone that makes all parties happy, cheapos, hi-end, etc.

In the end, I decided I never used my keyboard enough to merit the bulk. The ONE instance it was nice is when I could flip it out while browsing so the pop-up keyboard didn't take any of my webpage up. Other than that, the few other times I used it weren't enough to keep me waiting.
[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
Next best thing is to make sure you get a phone that someone makes an external keyboard for. Swype works for short replies for me, but something more complicated requires the use of landscape. I know I'll start looking for a keyboard for GS3.
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
Ironically enough I just bought a Logitech K400 blue tooth keyboard from Amazon for use with my HDMI EPL 3FHU adapter when hooked up to my big screen. Otherwise I've become quite proficient with swype. Granted you're not going to want to write novels with it, nor any cell phone based interface for they matter.
[Epic 4G General] nicenice19:
I too bought the Note 2 and am constantly astounded by what a well oiled machine it is.
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
The shame in it all is an S3 with a slide out keyboard done properly would be a huge seller. All that real estate always at your disposal. A nice roomy keyboard with a phenom layout, number row and nav keys. You talk about mini computer, that would be it. I'd never carry a laptop again for work purposes.

There is a bluetooth slider keyboard case, and I think I linked to it before somewhere, but I can't find it anymore. It lacks a number row, but if the bulk isn't bad, I'd consider it over my Note 2. I truly hate typing on screen. And SwiftKey is so f*kin' annoying because there are so many apps where there is no prediction. How can you encourage a certain writing style and then offer an inconsistent user experience with it. If it wasn't for the nav keys I'd stick with the Samsung keyboard with the number row.

Typing in landscape still blows. Giant associated keyboard and a text box. At least the iphone allows you to scroll through what you're referencing. But a 5.5" android phone can't.

If someone made a nice bluetooth slider keyboard case for the S3, they'd have a great seller. I'd drop $75 for one and ditch the N2 in a heartbeat.

Sent from your 18yr old daughter's room
[Epic 4G General] VaderSS:
If an S3 slider were introduced, I would buy it tomorrow. Until then, I'm waiting for a true upgrade to the Epic. Has to have high-end specs, a 4"+ display, SD card, removable battery and a slider keyboard. With TPR, I can live with the Epic for quite a while though.
[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
Speaking of keyboards and stuff of that nature, does anybody know of any way to automate what keyboard to use based on screen orientation? For example, I would like to use swype when the phone is in portrait, but have it switch to stock or another when in landscape. Its not that big of a deal to switch manually, but it'd be nice if it was done automagically.
[Epic 4G General] MeetFace:
I imagine this could be done easily with Tasker

sent from my ginormous Note II
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
<3 SwiftKey, it works great for me and the Note 2's screen in Portrait (ignoring the back/home/search/menu buttons) is about 85% the width of the Epic's HWKB. i'm already typing away with 2 thumbs easily for long messages and just using 1 hand for quick Flows.

yeah, sad but true. high end keyboard phones are done. Epic? 1 and done. G1 line? mid-ranged. even the Verizon Droid numbered series got supplanted by the Droid RAZR series.

Keyboard Manager
[Epic 4G General] dbpaddler:
Just wait till you're in apps where prediction doesn't work... And you can't select text with the shift and arrow keys either. Major drawback for editing. I did that pc style editing all the time with the hardware keyboard.

Sent from your 18yr old daughter's room
[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
Exactly what I was looking for. Seems to work flawlessly. Thank a bunch faceless!
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
if i really need to, i can select text with the stylus! though the occasional area where prediction doesn't work is a bit annoying. it's always the small textboxes though.

you're welcome!
[Epic 4G General] czechpunk:
Ok fellas, I finally took the plunge and will be joining the GS3 crowd soon. I know I didn't do much of anything but I appreciate everything I've learned here. See y'all on the other side!
[Epic 4G General] steelers_exe:
Are you keeping your epic? The GS3 has some pretty cool people, aside from those that migrated from here.
[Epic 4G General] czechpunk:
Yeah, I'll be keeping it for now. I may end up giving it to my dad, but if you're interested in buying it, PM me an offer
[Epic 4G General] dirtbag1975:
If your looking for one for sale I have one. It's in very good condition, not a scratch on it. It comes with a touch battery, an additional almost brand new aftermarket battery, htc data cable, game gripper, a bunch of screen protectors and the oem packaging. Asking $100 plus shipping, if you live in the Chicago land area we could meet up. Pm me if you're interested.
[Epic 4G General] dertdeezy:
I think there will be at least ONE last high end hardkeyboard phone..like a note2 slider lol
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
i doubt it. we'll start seeing 720p keyboard phones after multiple vendor flagships are running 1080p.
[Epic 4G General] ÜBER™:
I just upgraded from my epic to the gnex... bro you better get it. Its amazing... it makes the epic look so small... and its battery life is great for a dual core besides at 800mhz this thing is still smoother than the epic and it does just as well on battery. Besides extended battery with cases are available since its thin enough. It would be a waste if you got the epic. Not to bad mouth it but... it would be smarter to get the gnex. Even on stock the phone kicks ass. Hopefully this wasn't too biased :).
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
I would buy another epic for under $100 off contract. I'm sorry bro but upgrading to the gnex was not smart imo. No hd voice and bleak hardware no thanks. But you love the software.
[Epic 4G General] andsamp:
+1 the note is badass plus it serves to get me off stinkin sprint. The towers have been FUBAR for almost 2 months here.

___Edit... oh..i didnt know that the note was coming to sprint..no thx on the sprint version
[Epic 4G General] kidrobot52:
I was looking at that yesterday. But yea the software may be nice. I've heard that the gnex has crappy sound. Is that true? I'm not looking for thebest future phone. I want a phone that runs smooth now.