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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] IXIKelsonIXI:
I haven't been terribly impressed by any Samsung devices to date. Even my beloved Nexus. I detest touchwiz. I think it is completely useless. Sense actually does some useful stuff to Android.

So for me, it came down to, what could Samsung possibly release that would make me change my mind about that? Short of a beautiful device with stock ICS, nothing. And I'd still be torn if that's all they brought. I've had stock ICS for about five months. I love it, but I'm ready for change.

The key points for me are speed, screen quality, design and support. HTC hit a grand slam in my book. My only hope is that devs pick it up and start to play with it.

Rabble rabble rabble.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
I feel the exact opposite as you. HTC makes me yawn, (until now) and I *can't stand* Sense. Touchwiz goes away with a 3rd party launcher, Sense invades everything. I've seen the same horrid weather widget since my TouchPro 1 and 2 and Fuze days. Enough already.

What does Sense do that's useful? (I haven't owned an HTC phone since my N1)

Not being a **** or starting an argument, I'm actually interested. :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] s.m.knipe:
My position exactly
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] obelix25860:
I've been waiting for Sammy/AT&T to release the SGSII Skyrocket HD now for a while (they announced it Jan 9!!) and there still isn't even a date ... I don't like that the HOX doesn't have an SD card slot, but I may end up going for the HOX only because of the timing of the SGSII S-HD ...

And for those of you talking about the SGSIII, if it's announced in the UK May 3rd, take a guess of when it'll be available in the US? Not only will it take months (4+ if the S-HD is any point of reference) to get it here; it'll also be so close to the SGSII S-HD that it wouldn't surprise me if AT&T holds off on the SIII waiting for the inventory of S-HD to sell through (maybe that's what they're doing with the S-HD ... waiting for the current non-HDs to sell through).
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
It will take awhile for the US carriers to put it out yes, but we can buy the international version the day its released. (Most have done this with the GSI, GSII, and the Gnex)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pearlbrian:
I'm with you all on all your points, but I still can't take the plunge until i see what Samsung unveils. I mean, it's prior to the US release of the One XL anyway and it isn't like this phone is going to be sold out for weeks. The One XL does look amazing though, either of them is sure to be a huge upgrade over my stupid iPhone 4.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
There will be less of a gap between International and US this time around than with the Galaxy S and Galaxy S II.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
Based on?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] s.m.knipe:
For me, Sense has more relevant widgets than stock offers. Petty and fully replicatible with 3rd party apps, I know, but that's it for me. Sense, although historically super intrusive and a data/memory hog, visually looks and feels more thought out. Holo (Stock ICS UI) is getting close but not there yet. Blur is also closing the gap but Blur and Touchwiz and all the other custom UIs are still pretty disjointed. And while I love Holo's sort of minimalist and simple design, I have found myself somewhat bored with it. It sounds odd, and I can't really put my finger on it, but I feel a tad bit disappointed for some reason with it sometimes- like I was expecting more nuances and eye candy...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ricktat:
Since they want to be Apple.... They might try for a Global release of the same phone.

I really don't know why they didn't do that with the S2 other than apple patent crap.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pearlbrian:
Samsung has stated this in the past, though i haven't heard anything recently.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BarryH_GEG:
^^^^^

This.

I had a i9100 since last May. It was a great phone and never had an issue with it. It still looks like new (so much for questionable materials and build). Buy selling it now before the SGS3's released I'll get $75-100 more for it.

I was hoping the ICS release for the i9100 would tide my over until something interesting came out. ICS on the i9100 is a total cluster. I wanted a bigger HD display, faster SoC, and ICS. The One X is perfect in that regard and I like its design. The 32GB (international version) was a plus the loss of a user replaceable battery and SD card a minus. You can't have it all.

I really like Sense. Whether it gets in the way or adds value depends on how you use your phone. I haven't used Sense since the TP so can't comment on 4.0 vs. 3.X. The need to run naked ROM's came from inadequate h/w so stripping out bloat equaled better performance. S4, Teg3, and the 4212 really make performance a non-issue. Sense is shockingly smooth and fluid.

Things I really like are:

* The productivity lock screen - the ability to see missed calls, mms, e-mail, and meetings w/o unlocking the phone is cool. And they're all scrollable if there are multiples.

* Shortcuts on the lock screen - great to go directly to a specific app. Makes launching the camera fast and easy.

* The Music Hub - it's great that it allows you to put all your music apps in one place and control quite a few of them full size on the lock screen.

* The widgets - they're much more polished than TW and most third party widgets. They also let you interact more with the underlying app w/o having to open it. They refresh when you carousel to their page rather than on a preset schedule or by having to do it manually.

* Little things - like when you decline a call with a text it'll automatically create a task to call the person back. That when selecting a skin it changes the look of all the widgets. The smaller widgets are all interactive rather than just sitting there. I think HTC really sweated the details in trying to anticipate what you'll potentially want to do from anywhere within Sense. TW wasn't nearly as deeply thought through and was pretty much just another launcher. Sense looks and feels sophisticated where TW felt blocky and elementary.

The negatives:

* No LinkedIn connector for the FriendStream - seriously? It's 2012.

* No voice dialing over BT - they left out voice dialer and all the ICS APK's I've found don't work with Sense.

By the time the SGS3 comes out (it's predicted for June) the HOX(s) should be bug free. By the time the SGS3 is bug free and the initial early adopter frenzy is over I might consider it. The HOX should hold its value pretty well so the switch wouldn't cost a fortune. I'm not married to any phone manufacturer. The only one I've blackisted is LG because of the horid O2X/G2X but that's another story.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] MattyOnXperiaX10:
Its more like why you should choose the Meizu Mx QuadCore over anything else
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Not to answer to question for the other guy. And I haven't actually used TouchWiz too much, so I can only compare Sense to AOSP (and not even on the One XL, but my old Desire Z). But HTC has some apps that are nicely integrated with the OS. Its nice to be able to tap the clock widget, and have a timer and stopwatch right there, with looks that match the rest of the OS. And the Stocks app works well, and blends into the interface also. Sure, you can get apps on the Market that do the same things. But they make for a much less consistent smartphone experience, and often plain don't look that good. Of course, if you don't use these apps, this doesn't matter to you one bit. But the stopwatch and timer in particular, it hurts my brain that vanilla Android doesn't include these. They are such basic, useful functions to have in your pocket.

Sense also includes internet hotspot and internet passthrough (ability to use a computer's internet connection on your phone when connected by USB). Hotspot is becoming more common, but internet passthrough in particular is not present on many stock and even custom ROMs on many devices.

The HTC camera app (on Sense 3.5 and previous - haven't used Sense 4 yet) is really nice. Nice layout (options are easily accessed) and looks, and the ability to focus on an area of the screen by touching it (not a center-weighted autofocus) is useful. I haven't used any stock or 3rd party camera apps that come close to the functionality and looks of the HTC camera app.

Also, I generally prefer the aesthetic changes of Sense over AOSP. Less cartoony fonts and icons, and lighter colors for OS menu backgrounds. This is by no means objectively "better", just a personal aesthetic preference. There are plenty of people that don't like the look of Sense, and prefer the looks of AOSP.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] s.m.knipe:
I think bad memories of the Hero/MyTouch days generate a lot of the bias that carries forth even now (and even with phone reviewers, who then impact the opinions of people who watch and read their reviews). This was worsened by the launch of some mediocre hardware to compete in mid-level price-points. My girlfriend's Hero S (a 1.2 GHz Single Core) runs Sense (3.* -whatever version of 3 it is) remarkably smoothly. In fact, I was just as guilty as all of the nay-sayers here, but using her phone has really made me warm up quite a bit to Sense.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] IXIKelsonIXI:
One big thing, which was already mentioned, is its wide assortment of great widgets that are absent in stock. Beautiful, useful widgets for weather, calendar, social media, mail, messages, music, etc. The stock Google widgets for the same functions are boring, ugly, and small.

The integration and management of contacts is done very well. Syncing with Facebook turns your contact list into more than just a list of names. You can see status updates, information, and you get a great high resolution photo for each contact (as opposed to the terribly resized photos that come from Google's servers).

Sense 4 in particular focuses on functionality and beauty without being too intrusive. True, it's a lot compared to stock. But that is kind of the point. For me, Touchwiz tries too much to be like iOS (much like most things Samsung does), and just ends up looking cheesy. Blur is just. Gross. Sense on the other hand tries to add some flair to stock Android in unique ways. And I think with Sense 4 they've almost got it nailed down.

Rabble rabble rabble.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BarryH_GEG:
This page is a good example of how well thought out everything is. Doing the same thing on the i9100 would take going through multiple pages and settings.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
That's true. On older devices, my only real complaint against Sense would be that it was a resource hog, and made the phone less responsive than AOSP ROMs. And I've subsequently flip-flopped between Sense and AOSP, waffling between functionality and pure performance. But once I got the HTC Flyer tablet, the thing had all the functionality of Sense while running butter smooth on a 1.5 GHz single core CPU. I've had no desire to put a non-Sense ROM on that device, and very little desire to even put any custom ROM on it. And the One XL has Sense 4, which is supposed to be less bloated, and running on a CPU that much better than my Flyer.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
OK, so Sense *might* not be the spawn of satan... ;)

I'm guessing with a 3rd party launcher, the Sense widgets won't work? (like touchwiz)

Whats development like for HTC phones in general? Does anyone make ROMS based on the stock HTC minus Sense? (is that even possible?)

AOSP roms? CM? AOKP?

Whats unlocking like? (samsung = stoopid easy)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrvirginia:
i have to say, i enjoyed the crap outta my international SGS2 i9100. i loaded an ICS ROM on it late sunday night for the person i sold it too and i was blown away all over again. it looked and ran just like my Galaxy Nexus i9250! i'm tired of buying international versions though. there were issues with the screen on both of these devices and them being imported makes it take longer to get a new device. it's prob going to be a little wait until the SGS3 is here in the states and the power increase of quad over dual is minimal currently because nothing takes advantage of this right now. towards the end of the year, this will change. but guess what? it'll be 2013 and time for the next best phones to come out.

i'm ready to give an HTC device another chance even though i'm basically a Sammy fanboy. i have 2 of their HD TVs in my house... also from early leaks, it looks like the new SGS3 is gonna have the same screen dimensions as the GNex, which is not true 720x1280 because of softkey nav buttons on the bottom. it'll be interesting to see what they unveil on the 3rd, but i certainly won't be swayed. i can promise you one thing, they won't have a power friendly 28nm chip in it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Correct. HTC widgets only work in the Sense launcher. And the widgets and apps are so integrated into the ROM, that for the most part, they cannot be imported to other ROMs (like AOSP, etc.).

Amount of development is different for every device. But dev on HTC devices is almost always very strong. HTC devices is how XDA started!

CM comes to most HTC devices. I think I already read of AOKP coming to either the One X or XL (can't remember which). HTC ROMs stripped of Sense are also pretty typical dev fare.

Unfortunately, this is one of the "cons" about HTC phones. They have been locking down their phones more and more. Unlocking the bootloader the "official" way on newer HTC devices requires registering with HTC Unlock, and voiding your warranty. HTC claims that they are losing money from people screwing up while modding their phones, and sending them in as warranty repairs.

Methods of getting S-Off without HTC Unlock are being worked on over on the One X forum. But its a work in progress, and I'm not sure if the XL will employ the exact same means.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrvirginia:
in general there's better support than compared to Moto devices. yes ROMS are made based on AOSP. this will exist. i'll be torn between the two if Sense is now as polished as i've read. i might not even see a point in rooting. my GNex is running the absolute newest software (2nd revision of 4.0.4 for GSM ones) and while my phone is unlocked and rooted, i'm running an odex version with very very few of my own mods. Android is becoming more polished as a whole.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BarryH_GEG:
See for yourself. The One X dev section's amazing for a phone that's been out for a couple of weeks. A lot of what's done for the X will be pretty easily modified to work on the XL.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1536
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
+1 I just did the same for the guy that got my SGSII, and I was really impressed with it. (I miss the damn camera)

I'm also a Samsung fanboy, but not so brand loyal that I'm not willing to try other stuff. Sense + boring design + poop hardware is whats kept me away from HTC.

I'm really thinking I'm just gonna keep the damn thing, and sell the Gnex. Like it was pointed out before, the 1X won't lose value that fast, and if the SIII turns out to be insane beyond belief, it won't hurt much to sell the 1X to get the SIII.

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Yeah, I had already started peeking around after asking about it..

My browser window consists of 2 RootzWiki tabs, 3 XDA tabs, aaaaand the weather.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] UMGixxer:
Im with you on this, my first droid phone was my captivate and this will be my second. I am very familiar with all the processes of rooting and flashing for samsung but when I peep into the htc phones from time to time, its a completely new atmosphere.

Edit: Im sure I will keep the phone pretty stock for a few months just to get a feel for Sense 4.0
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrvirginia:
really, you miss the camera?! i think the camera on my GNex has been nothing but amazing. i take photos at random in my house just because sometimes and i keep my house very dark. with the flash, it always turns out to be a shot i wouldn't delete, except it's of random stuffs. the one on the HTC should be even better. and take photos while recording video?????!?!?!?!?!?!?! why hadn't someone thought of this sooner?! lol that's genius.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
Man for me the camera is hit or miss. Especially in low light. Its a blurry/out of focus thing. If I snap a pic, 50/50 its blurry. Snap it again, blurry. And again, its awesome. Sometimes the first shot is awesome. Outside, or with lots of light, its usually spot on. I try touching to focus, or just snapping the pic, both same results.

I will agree, in the pitch black it takes great shots w/flash. (when its in focus)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] s.m.knipe:
Quite right. I don't know about CM but I had seen AOKP mentioned and I know DesignGears posted on twitter that he is getting the AT&T One X, so we should see some good stuff from that direction too...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
Well that helps put my mind at ease about Sense. If I don't like it, its gone. ;)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ricktat:
Other reasons to pick the HTC.

HTC is a lover not a fighter

HTC doesn't support depleting the Ozone layer
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mattymon:
I just came from an SGS 2 LTE and not to long before that an HTC raider LTE. I chose the one xl because my brother in law was nice enough to trade me his upgrade for my SGS 2 LTE. He is not a phone fanatic like myself and of course i couldn't resist.

If it was my upgrade i would probably wait to see what the SGS 3 looks like. With that being said, the phone is amazing. Solid, beautiful screen and fits in my hand perfectly. I have always liked HTC's designs better , however, sammy is the way to go if you are a custom rom freak.

Sense is > then touchwiz and i do like the fact that HTC has a flashing notification light. Something i feel all phones should have by now. I'm sure the SGS 3 will have the new exynos soc and be much faster. But at the end of the day the htc one xl is butter smooth and im glad i went with it.

Also, i did switch my phone already. There was an issue with LTE not being picked up, however, it wasnt the phone but an account issue. WiFi does jump up and down. Hopefully it is addressed in a fix.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrvirginia:
ahhh sweet. i've never ran an AOKP ROM but i've heard those guys have great ROMs. i typically stick as close to stock as possible, whether AOSP or skinned (TouchWiz/Sense). AOKP comes with lots of customizations lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
AOKP is my current favorite. It looks stock, and the options can be turned on/off, changed, etc.. lets you be in control to do what you want. Get nuts, or stay stock-ish.

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I also heard/read somewhere that the AT&T 1X is coming w/a free 25gb of dropbox storage? To make up for the crappy 9gb free on the phone. Can anyone confirm this? Would be nice to add to my already current DB account.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Squeak22:
This is true.

In the thread with the comparison between the international version and the xl he mentions it, and the AT&T stand at the store mentioned it too.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ricktat:
You have to register for an account through the phone.

http://www.htc.com/help/www/howto_iframe.aspx?id=141808&type=1&p_id=440
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] The_Zodiac:
My past 2 phones were the Samsung captivate and currently the infuse.

Cappy had a jacked up gps and Samsung did nothing about it.

Both are very very slow to get os updates. (infuse just got gb recently...)

IM kinda tired of it. Htc build quality is usually better. Plus if they just announcing it now they won't release it in the us for 4 months at least I'd guess.

Also the one x is just plain sexy (especially for $150)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
I would say AT&T is to blame for the slow updates, the international versions get updated fairly quickly. Sides, aren't you flashing roms anyway?

I agree about the GPS on the craptivate, that was lame. Same with the Asus TFP.

Whats the deal with better build quality? Whats the difference? They all look/feel like plastic bricks to me? The iPhone is the only one I can really see a difference on. (tiny glass brick, not better just different)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
That's the thing. Many of the more recent HTC phones (and tablets too) have not been plastic, but aluminum unibody, or some mix of aluminum and soft-touch plastic, etc. Much sturdier feeling, and sleeker looking. So its a disappointment to see the plastic body of the Vivid, and now the polycarbonate One X. I personally haven't held a One X/XL in hand yet. So hopefully it feels more high quality and sturdy than Sammy, LG and Moto phones. They just feel like cheap plastic junk to me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] UMGixxer:
Yeah Im lost on this build quality aspect as well, although I thought the metal battery cover with the sliding bottom piece on the captivate was pretty nice.

Edit: Im guessing you feel move secure about dropping the phone
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BoostedSR20:
Ok I see where your going with the better materials = better look/feel.. but what does that do for weight? Heat? (how hot it feels in your hand)

And yeah, the One X looks/feels pretty much like a plastic Sammy phone to me. I don't have a problem with any of them. (the Note, thats the only one I couldn't do)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrvirginia:
the international SGS2 and the GNex feel great in hand, not like plastic toys at all. GNex has a little more weight to it than the SGS2, but the SGS2 was just so sleek and sexy. i couldn't imagine an aluminum body on either tbh. i'm more interested in the unibody design of the One X than anything else. don't really care what the material is made out of. the last phone i dropped was an iPhone 3GS which was some time ago for me, and even then it was in a case so no harm to the phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ricktat:
Its still feels like plastic... but it has a "cool" feel to it and the quality feels better. Sammy kinda feels like a toy from the 99 cent store. This has the feel of a plastic high end power tool with smooth edges.:D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] b5t28:
I've had my upgrade on my bold 9700 available since August of last year. I wasn't wow'd by Iphone 4s, I wanted the Nexus but it only went to Verizon, the Galaxy S2 (all varients) seemed like a bad 2 yr commitment, so I've arrived with the HTC One X. It's great looking and I specs that I expect to keep me happy and relevent for my 2yr contract. If the Galaxy 3 came out first on Att, I'd prolly have bought that.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] The_Zodiac:
I'm referring to more likely to have phone problems. Used to work in the mobile phone industry and it was well known that HTC are typically superior. Ymmv

Of course everyone has their own opinions but I'm also going off all the issues customers would come in with.

(Samsung tvs are a whole different ball game)

The metal sliding door made the phone heavier and wore out over time. (which got extremely annoying). really prefer the infuses snap off backing.