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[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
This is where I have some concern. The OG Evo was rooted immediately for 2 reasons. 1) they were handed out freely at Google IO before release, and 2) Android 2.1 had way more holes. ( #2 is just speculation on my part).

Since the Evo, HTC has stepped up its bootloader locking game. Some of the newer devices have had to wait quite a while before getting s-off or even root (if I remember correctly). I know HTC has set up the HTC dev site, but from what I understand, that still leaves S-on. Unlocked, but S-on OOW (which, I'm not really concerned with the OOW since I accept that warranty is void once I root)

IDK. Just some thoughts. If anyone wants to correct me on any of this, please do. I'm sure I got some stuff wrong here.
[EVO 4G General] vanshmack:
A phone is a highly personal choice, so I'm sure you'll be happy with it. Aside from the camera, it's an upgrade from our EVO, but I just don't think it's the quantum leap over the LTE will be. And that's what made the choice for me, as well as handling a Galaxy Nexus that my sister-in-law just picked up. It wasn't much faster than my CM7 equipped EVO. Really, it's a testament to how amazing the OG EVO was: Even now, 2 years later, there is not yet a phone on the market that is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the EVO. But I think that changes with the LTE.

I just wonder what you would have bought if the EVO LTE was available right now at the store, along side Nexus!

Anyway, enjoy your purchase!
[EVO 4G General] patass:
the latest cm7 rc crashes my evo constantly, with all the kernels ive tried including stock. yes of course i full wipe with the latest cwm. my evo was largely a laggy mess even on stock.
[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
I would likely attribute that to using CWM instead of amonRA.

Also, I can't, for the life of me, find the sgsIII VS Evo LTE thread ANYWHERE all of a sudden, so I'll put this here. Hope that's OK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17862656
[EVO 4G General] patass:
i used to use amon ra too, it was the same story. i probably just had a weird phone. i had two instances of a perfectly working phone, once with cm7 rc1 and once with one of the evo 3d copy cat roms by mik
[EVO 4G General] vanshmack:
I've flashed CM with both AmonRa and CWM with no issues from either one. I also wipe everything in the same order 3x before each flash, too.

Still, I'm sure it's possible to have hardware that doesn't play well with certain updates.

I'm actually on my second EVO now. The first one was replaced under insurance about 7 months ago when it popped out of it's holster and landed on the concrete at Disneyland, shattering the screen. The thing I've noticed with the replacement phone is that the battery life was much worse than before...And that's with the same battery as the first one. I've finally found a combo on the new one that gives good battery life, but that's after flashing Tiamat 4.1-SBC over the April 22 CWM nightly, underclocking the CPU, then undervolting by 100 MV across the board. My old phone didn't need any of that to get me through a couple of days of normal use.
[EVO 4G General] Tyran2099:
no brainer

Samsung has establish itself as one of the front runners in the cellular industry..while HTC lacks proper "battery life" technology :cool:
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
I'm not sure what you mean by battery life technology... it really depends on the size of the battery, and the efficiency of the processor in the phone. Since the Krait S4 chip is amazingly efficient, and the battery size is fairly hefty for the size of that phone (combined with the already improved battery life of ICS), I'm not really worried about battery technology here. We're going to see some SOLID battery performance. Plus as soon as someone gets a custom kernel made (or even roots to allow SetCPU to be used), we're talking NO problems with battery. So I'll take the superior build quality of the HTC phone (seriously, have you watched that detailed video on the construction of this beast?) and the mind-blowing specs. Even if GSIII has comparable or slightly better specs, it won't be enough to sway most. Who knows when it is coming out, and what the specs will be like? If it doesn't have the physical camera button an kickstand, I wouldn't even consider it if the guts are comparable.
[EVO 4G General] dfr867:
Ummmmm....reading above where the 4LTE has a "non-removable" battery....I'm a big time ROM flasher and I've run into more than one instance that required me to pull the battery...what about that??
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
From what I understand, every phone has a button combination (ie hold down both volume buttons for 5 seconds, then hold down the power button and down volume button for 10 seconds) that will do the same thing as the "pull the battery and restart phone" method. There will be no issues regarding that (so I've heard - never done it personally). I believe the only issue with the non-removable battery is lack of ability to expand to an extended one.
[EVO 4G General] yovani24:
EVO LTE all the way I can't wait :)
[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
There is a button combo to shut off the phone. Rather than shut off and reboot. That was my concern, because sometimes if you need to battery pull, trying to boot back into the ROM is not a viable option. So I asked over in the One X forum, and you can indeed shut off phone, then boot to bootloader/recovery. ;)
[EVO 4G General] dfr867:
Yep. I figured there had to be a way to do it. It just caught my eye. I've also heard that there will be several "versions" of the new EVO as well...think I read somewhere where the phone was going to have a quad processor...Japan? Europe? Something like that. Anyone else heard anything on that?
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
Well I know the One X has multiple versions, and the Europeans have the inferior quad core tetra that most people are still bragging about (over our dual cores, haha) but I have not heard anything about this in my obsessive searches regarding our EVOs. ;)

But yeah, when the new quad cores come out in the S4 snapdragon, I'm sure we'll see a new sort of "EVO" since Sprint loves milking that name dry. I don't need four cores for my usage. This Krait processor will keep my happy for a LONG time! :D
[EVO 4G General] dfr867:
Well I'm always looking for more power. I've thought about waiting to see if I can get the quad version on ebay or something.
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
My guess is that the average cell phone user will not see a perceptible difference in daily performance when the quad core drops. I can't even imagine how a phone can be snappier than that S4 Krait dual core.

Are you insanely game-crazy and intense multi-tasking? I doubt you'd even hardly notice if you were, haha.

To me, it is like getting 50 Mbps internet access instead of 40 Mbps internet access to check your email and watch YouTube occasionally. It just won't affect anything. Or getting a 1440p resolution on a 26" TV. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm wrong here, but for our current phones and apps and uses, I don't see it as remotely necessary. Unless there's some added benefit I'm unaware of.
[EVO 4G General] Rakeesh_j:
I agree with this. I'm on an evo 3d right now, and I will not be getting another HTC phone. It's really stupid because HTC locks their bootloaders with only a half unlock available that even voids your warranty.

ICS has been out for a while, yet ICS builds on Evo 3D are basically worthless because of all of the proprietary hardware the Evo 3D (and indeed, all HTC phones) uses. Until your phone has been out for a very long time, you'll be looking at custom roms that have half of the phone's features missing.

Look at the GN sprint forums, almost every rom has every hardware function working.

With any luck, the Evo 3D *might* see a functioning ICS an entire year after ICS was actually released, due to HTC's painfully slow release cycle.

I'm getting a galaxy nexus, without question.
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
I'm still getting the EVO. I'll take a stock EVO over a rooted Nexus.

Plus, I know someone will figure it out eventually. I don't want to root a brand new phone anyway.

That sucks that HTC is being such a pain though.
[EVO 4G General] flex360:
if it has no root options, im not getting the evo at all

ill just wait and see how it goes
[EVO 4G General] jmboulware:
Typically its like a PC: hold the power button down long enough and the phone shuts down. I've had to do it on my EVO View many times. ;)

I'm with u guys ... EVO all the way, there's really no comparison in my mind. Even if its half the phone of my current EVO, consider how long the OG has stayed relevant. The devs are salivating at the notion of getting to it ... I would imagine some development for the nexus and other devices will slow down through Q3 as efforts are turned to the Evo LTE.

My only battery gripe is I keep several charged batteries just so I can do a quick swap and keep going without plugging in. I don't care so much about putting in a 3500ma; I don't like the bulk. I just don't want to wait on a charge when I'm ready to flash something else.

JB
[EVO 4G General] :
I personally would get a Gnex.. I did and im very happy!!! I got a Sprint variant and development has Really taken off!!! I don't even know what to flash next and it's only been out a 9 days since release!! Lol. I loved my ole Evo 4G, but afterwards became a huge fan of anything made by Samsung!!! After owning a NS4G and several other devices since 2008' I'm all Samsung!! But I would say get what's best for you! Both are excellent devices!! If you want a humongous cpu and HTC Sense isn't a biggy to you, go with the HTC Evo lte. If you like flashing roms and having an UnGodly variety, then definitely get the Gnex!! I use Trinity kernel and get 4 hrs screen time on the first round! So many options with the Gnex. That is why I chose it... Very happy with my choice too!! I honestly don't know of anything better than getting a new device. Haha. I'm hooked on this crap man!! I currently own a E4gt, NS4G and now a Gnex. :D I carry them all in my pocket. Lol. Never phoneless! Happy shopping man!! Have a good one!

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[EVO 4G General] Saneless One:
That's what I thought, but here I am, 10 months later, stuck with the same EVO 3D that has the lowest bitrate possible for Bluetooth audio and no reliable way to deal with it since AOSP ROMs are all missing core functionality.

I figured it's an EVO, people will be right on it and figure it out. Don't count on it.

That being said, I think the Nexus has its flaws and overall the One/EVOLTE is probably a better phone.
[EVO 4G General] Art2Fly:
Everyone keeps saying devs are going to be jumping to the ltevo, but where are the actual devs that are saying this? All I know tight now is that a lot of users and flashers will be buying the phones... probably rom chefs as well, but no developers. I'm not convinced yet... especially since I have the gnex staring at me in this sprint store
[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
Last 3 posts are excellent, and really steering me toward galaxy nexus. Even though I typically can't stand Samsung phones, with the BS that HTC is pulling with half unlocks and with proprietary SW and drivers, really makes me weary. I really don't wanna be stuck with a phone that has less development than my current phone (OG Evo). But that seems to be the case for the Evo 3d and One X folks. :banghead:

Hardware and build quality of Evo LTE blows Sammy outta the water, but having the phone locked up would make the great hardware irrelevant and useless (like the BT bitrate issue stated about Evo 3d and no way to tweak/fix it). I'm so stoked to get a new phone, and at first was ape**** about Evo LTE. But after some serious thinking about it (like 24-7 lol), and following the One X and GNex forums I realize it's quite the dilemma.

And as for development, as posited earlier, what devs are going to Evo LTE? People say devs are salivating over it. Who? I haven't seen many saying they intend to go there. But if they did, I suspect they'd be disappointed, due to being unable to really DO anything to the device or make quality ROMs because of HTC unreleased code. Damn this is a tough call.

@flashback7

I was reading Cnet reviews yesterday and they state the galaxy nexus doesn't support USB/MS. :what: I about lost it! That MUST be wrong, right? I can't believe that you cannot transfer files from PC to GNex, but I'm reluctant to believe Cnet somehow got that wrong. They even stated that Android 4.0 supports it, but the GNex does not. Or are they just saying to have to install an app for that (like bextons USB/MS app)? Could you please clarify?

This has actually become a great thread, and really caused me to re-examine my allegiance to HTC. And unfortunately, I'm starting to lean to GNex :(
[EVO 4G General] Art2Fly:
Scott,

The question you should be asking yourself at this point is whether to go for a lesser phone with active development or to risk it on a better phone that might not even need development! All I hear about sense 4.0 is praise... and if it's really that good... do we need development?
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
HTC evo 4g LTe............No removable battery = FAIL ! ! ! ! !

WINNER = Iphone or any other phone
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
Yeah, that iPhone's removable battery really helps it win that battle... :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] youngbasedgod:
Yea but there wasn't much, how should I say, hype or must-have desire for the 3D like there was for the original evo. Simply put, no one cared about the 3D which probably played a part in why it's been discontinued.

The 3D wasn't promoted as the next big thing. Just looking at the specs made me think "what's the big deal? not worth it.". Whole different story with the evo 4g lte.
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
I agree 100%. I am going to play with the One X when it comes out, but all signs point to amazing STOCK performance! The only reason I need to have developers work on things is when something new comes out and doesn't get updated on my phone. That won't happen for at least a year. Jellybean will be on our phones for sure, as this is a brand new top-of-the-line phone. And by the time they stop giving us important updates, the devs will figure out this issue for sure. These people are unstoppable, they won't be shying away from the phone because of this. If anything, they'll be drawn to the challenge! :D

Saneless One, from what I've heard and been told, the EVO 3D was never a good phone for development, probably for two main reasons:

1) All our awesome developers didn't get a new EVO 3D one year later, and their primary focus was the EVO 4G (could be wrong here, but I suspect is had an effect).

2) The EVO 3D I've heard has all kinds of proprietary drivers for all of that 3D stuff, which this phone won't suffer from.

Maybe I'm just looking at this with the glass half full, but I love what I've seen of Sense 4.0, and I honestly won't be looking for custom ROMs for a LONG time! I prefer the superior hardware and performance, and the only thing I'd want is extended battery life (which is supposedly pretty good stock).

Speaking of that... can someone clear this up for me please:

With this HTC locking thing, are we going to be unable to root at all for a while? Or is this just going to be problematic for ROMs? Because I'd be ecstatic if I could just root and throw a new kernel on there for better battery life, or even just the ability to download set CPU and extend the battery life a bit. Any clarity on this would be appreciated. I'm not techie enough to quite understand the severity of this problem with HTC and the new EVO.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
was being a retard much like htc is in having a non removable battery. I will just keep rockin my EVO. Of which i have 4 batteries and a charging dock so i can bumb pandora all day long without having to recharge my phone. non removable batteries are the biggest joke ever, right next to not having a sd slot.
[EVO 4G General] :
I transfer files to and from my laptop easier than I ever have with any device I've ever owned. You just plug up and go. No pop ups or anything.. It just connects and recognizes the device. It's great! I came from a E4gt. I still use my E4GT and NS4G.. Gnex is the one I use most, now.. Runs everything fine. All my games..I'd heard about lag... Haven't seen any lag (Stock or rooted) and I've had gnex since the 19th of April. Was actually very impressed. I don't knock anything. I think the Gnex and Evo lte are both great devices. I just like having a huge variety of things to tinker with... Most kernels for Vzn gnex work on Sprints variant. I'm happy with my choice. I would have definitely returned it if I wasn't. If I had the money, I'd get an Evo lte too. Lol. Love it all. Anything Android. I just prefer Samsung that's all.

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[EVO 4G General] jawad123:
4g LTE
[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
Fair point. But,...every phone needs development. And I really prefer stock ICS to sense. (Especially love all the blue, too). I was hoping to rip sense off as soon as I got it, but looks like that may not be happening. But damn, the HW is awesome, and I hate plastic Sammy phones. Big tough choices ahead :confused::banghead:
[EVO 4G General] Art2Fly:
Well gs3 is right around the corner. Same s4 processor... don't know anything else about it though.
[EVO 4G General] PsiPhiDan:
What do you mean by right around the corner? We're likely looking at a 6 month wait I'm assuming. I could be wrong, but how long did it take to get the GS2 to Sprint? That's not a rhetorical question - I'm honestly wondering.
[EVO 4G General] Art2Fly:
There's an announcement on May 3rd that will unveil a lot of things about the Galaxy S3... which according to a slip by a samsung tech guy, is the working name.
[EVO 4G General] Rakeesh_j:
I don't remember the name of the standard, but you can still access your internal storage just like you would an sdcard by simply plugging in the USB port to your PC.

The reason they made that switch in most (all?) ICS devices is to A) eliminate the need for the constant dismount/remount needed for connecting and disconnecting the USB cable (which can lead to filesystem integrity issues) and B) to allow the files to be accessed by both the phone and the PC at the same time (rather than it being either one or the other.) C) Allow the "internal" storage to be a lot bigger (that is, it can use up the entire capacity of of the storage, rather than only 1GB like most phones have)

This is actually somewhat of a trend moving forward with android in general, apparently started with version 3.1.

If the Galaxy Nexus included an SDcard slot, you could have both if you wanted to, though sadly it doesn't.

I also look at it this way though, the Evo LTE has a non-removable battery. That means two things: The whole phone has an expiration date, and no chance of an extended battery.
[EVO 4G General] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
Its called MTP(Media Transfer Protocol) USB-MS is still accessible thru a 3rd party app or by enabling it in a custom kernel. In ICS its actually USB-OTG/MS which allows simultaneous PC/Phone access to the internal storage while connected via USB. It was enabled this way since alot of phones(all?) Will now come with a large internal storage that is shared between ROM/App/Storage partitions. You can use the internal storage partition just like an SDCard and save media,photos,videos,a2sd,ROMs etc. On it and even flash right from internal storage. The internal storage partition is labeled SD_Card and the removable storage is labeled External_SD. And is linked as such right in the SD_Card partition as a folder so you can browse both from one label in recovery or a file explorer
[EVO 4G General] imheroldman:
@PsiPhiDan htc dev unlock will allow for flashing it's just restricted to an annoying point. You will have to do pretty much everything through fastboot commands on your pc. And because of the lock it does prevent access to some things preventing customization.

Check out the Hey HTC thread, 6th post I spell it out a bit more
[EVO 4G General] IceCreamHoney:
With all the HTC problems and all, I'm gonna wait for the GS3 :eek:

Its a 720p super amoled plus (non-pentile) and the S4. Sammy is more open source than HTC. I will miss Sense but I prefer stock.
[EVO 4G General] Teamscrooge:
Your Choice

I would go with the Evo because Jelly Beans MIGHT come out so I could see the Evo getting it. I have a similar situation except mine is in September. I would get the Evo:)
[EVO 4G General] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
You do know the gNex will be the first to be.updated to 5.0 right? I don't know if you're trolling or if you're really that delusional to say you'd choose the evo to get 5.0 first :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
What does Jelly Bean coming out (eventually) have to do with a decision of Sammy or Evo LTE?

@evilKon and rakeesh

Thanks for your responses. So, basically, you can still plug in to PC (via USB) and access your file system (just as we currently do), right? That's what I was trying to ask, as Cnet described that you couldn't.

Your guys' responses are welcomed, but the long and short of it sounds like all is the same as it is now (meaning yes, you can access file system via USB to PC.). Difference being that now there is SD_card and External_SD with the latter found on devices with actual removable storage. Am I understanding right?

And thanks ;)
[EVO 4G General] Rakeesh_j:
You can actually mount the internal storage in raw block mode? Wouldn't that cause problems since currently running apps would be depending on the data found there?

Yep.
[EVO 4G General] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
On ics on my et4g I can mount to my PC and still have all my apps accessible and still access my storage from my phone while connected. So i can still browse my storage while adding stuff to it
[EVO 4G General] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
The emmc chip(internal storage) is essentially a solid state flash drive partitioned into system,internal apps, and internal storage. The internal storage partition functions just like an external SD card, I actually use my internal to flash from cuz it has an 80MB/s read and 50MB/s write speed and flashing is way faster than a class 10 micro SD. A 100MB rom takes about 30-45 seconds to flash vs on my class 10 takes ~2-3mins
[EVO 4G General] Rakeesh_j:
What app would you use to do this on the galaxy nexus? I've been looking around, and I've only found one for the nexus s, but the nexus s doesn't use a single continuous nand like the galaxy nexus does, rather it is two 16GB nand chips.
[EVO 4G General] scottspa74:
Was looking at galaxy at sprint today and saw this in settings
[EVO 4G General] untruestory:
Evo hardware advantage > Nexus software advantage hands down but unless you're on a group plan with several others the monthly cost of service is like being ass raped by a gorilla after being lubed up with Tabasco sauce and broken glass.

Single plan costs on Sprint vs an unlocked Nexus for $399 with unlimited monthly plans under $50 and no contract... my unlocked Nexus arrives Thursday and even though I'd rather have that new Evo I'll enjoy my $1500 in savings even more ;)
[EVO 4G General] Art2Fly:
All while being on Sprint's crawling 3G speeds...
[EVO 4G General] jmboulware:
Patience, gents ... wait until u can hold the evo in your hands before you decide. You won't keel-over if u wait another month. There's no time limit on getting a new device at end of contract lol.

JB
[EVO 4G General] Rakeesh_j:
I won't even look at another HTC device. I just ordered my sprint galaxy nexus last night, should get here tomorrow.

Sam's Club's website is selling it for $148.88 with free overnight shipping, no tax either where I live, even though they have many stores in my area.

Although I am a member of sam's club, they didn't ask for my membership info so I think just anybody can order from there.