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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shmoejoe:
Okay, there was a recent rumor from 13x in the ICS thread, and since no one wants to wake up the thread that was made earlier about the Hayabusa, I will throw his quote in here...

My thoughts are...if this is rumored to be much more expensive than the S, I don't quite see the price/spec comparison.

Yes, it's got the S4 (which in another thread it's appears to be not too much of an upgrade), but it seems to me that it won't be all its worked up to be, and in the end I'm still glad I didn't wait :P.

Yea, it's got a card slot in it, but I don't see the problem with the S not having a slot? with USB OTG you save loads of space, and the internal memory is large enough to hold anything I need at least :P.

It's more of "do you want to wait" than "should I wait" in my opinion. Like it always is, if you wait, something better will always come along...when the Hayabusa eventually comes out, you don't think there will be rumors about the S5 phones flying around? It will be released around when the S5 devices could actually come out.

Not saying that it won't be a device to watch for...I just don't think it's much of the upgrade people think it will be, and certainly doesn't make me think twice about getting my S.

/twocents

Edit: S4 does have LTE support, so I guess that could be a plus, but for my use I can't really care :P and still not worth a rumored price gap between the devices.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] silversun92:
There's no info about hayabusa yet...

However, There were some leaks about an unknown device before, which looks like Arc successor

Judging by the image, the front is identical to Arc, but the body is much thicker => much larger battery...why? I guess the reason is that it will have LTE as qualcomm s4 supports 4g

It might not be available in countries which do not have 4g network.

Besides, until hayabusa realeases, there will be other rivals which might temp you away from Sony phones like the upcoming Galaxy S3 or iPhone 5:D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Knight77:
Does anybody know anything about screen display dimensions?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] unknown13x:
That device is long gone into the dumpster. May be since last year even :o

Screen dimension? Larger than the S, that's for sure :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shmoejoe:
I hope that doesnt mean Note size :-P I will die if the new standard becomes that large, I can't imagine having a larger phone than the S, even my X10 was almost overdoing it for me, lol.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
That leaked thing was a concept prototype. This was confirmed by the creator.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
Wait.. so mint_i will also come with 8960 chip? For the rumored price it should come with Novathor U9600!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Remember that mint is likely a tablet. They might aim for a really low price on that one.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Mint is NOT a tablet. This was confirmed by unknown13x here in XDA and uknownuser on Esato forums. Both Hayabusa and Mint will use S4 processor, like both of them said.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
Any word when we can expect Novathor U9600? U9600 was announced over a year ago, why it's not showing up yet?

In addition, it's interesting to hear that both of new phones will be equipped with S4. What feature will make mint_i that expensive then?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ItsMyMama:
Maybe they merge all the wonderful technology like WhiteMagic and Floating touch :D:D:D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I do not know. I just posted what unknownuser from Esato and unkown13x from XDA posted. Both the best leakers from Sony I ever saw.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
Thanks for re-posting. Let us know if there are any more leaks. ;)

Summer will be interesting. We already have HTC flagship on a market, also Galaxy SIII about to come out. Don't forget the Motorola. Looks like Sony is a little bit late again and if they gonna keep prices high, they will struggle with market share again. Anyway, lets hope Hayabusa and Mint_I will be really exceptional since Snapdragon S4 itself is not that special anymore as most of the newer phones will have it. Oh, and we'll have iPhone 5 (or whatever it will be called) around the same time as Mint_I.

In short, waiting for more leaks as I'm about to buy new phone this summer/autumn. :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pitamus:
I hope they put s4 pro in one of them :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] silversun92:
Next Wednesday, there will be Xperia Play 2 and I think this is the Hayabusa many have been waiting for:rolleyes:

That leaves Mint to be the final flagship this year, but my guess is that's just a tablet (given the very high price) or an upgrade of Xperia S like Arc from Arc S last year (may be Xperia SS:D)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Both Mint and Hayabusa won't be a tablet. This was confirmed by two leakers. Buth we just have to wait 'till Wednesday.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] silversun92:
It looks like ion, but only use on-screen buttons

Nevertheless, the spec is really nice. I might have to wait for this phone to release:D

Display: 4.6 inches HD (1280 × 720)

OS: Android4.0 ICS

CPU: 1.5GHz Dual Core (Qualcomm Snapdragon S4)

RAM: 1GB

ROM: 16GB

1.3-megapixel CMOS 13.1 million pixel back-illuminated rear, front camera:

Wireless LAN: IEEE802.11 a / b / g / n (2.4GHz & 5GHz)

Mobile Wallet: ○

Seg: ×

×: infrared communication

×: waterproof

Battery: 1,700 mAh
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shmoejoe:
To me, it actually resembles the Note.

I hope that's not the actual phone, because that could mean that they have already ditched the light bars. I thought that was actually something special and nice. If that will be the final product its....blah :/ nothing eye-catching. I buy my phones for the design factor more than specs, and this appears to...not have it.

If that is rumored to be the final specs, it still appears to only have the S with its S4, and now what could be a large screen (if that is indeed the final device). I still think that for the hype it could have been better, since it doesn't have a release date and the final specs are leaked with an S4 that's already in quite a few devices.

I'm curious to see how this develops.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] karun11:
As far as updated rumours go: MINT will have "quad-core Krait CPU and an Adreno 320 GPU + OLED + OCT Launch

@unknown13x can you confirm? :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] staynam:
Hayabusa is still v far, lol...

But its solely developed by SONY mobile, to me, S is still product of former SE(?).

It's worth the waiting if not more than 6 months.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
More about upcoming "big players": http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...or-quad-core-LT30i-pegged-for-October_id29558

However, doesn't match latest rumors from forum members. Who's right then? :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] karun11:
The Phonearena specs are based on new rumours. The updated rumoured suggest that the Mint will indeed be powered by the quad core Krait processor. A HTC device with a 5 inch screen is also slated to launch with the same quad core processor, as leaked by Verizon. So it is likely that Sony will keep up. Lets hope this is true!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Flo95:
And around which month will they come out?

I want a new device. Liking the Xperia S and One X and I'm waiting for the release of the Galaxy S III.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
I you had read an article to which I gave a link earlier you would found out that Hayabusa will be released in July and Mint in October. However, these are rumors as neither date were confirmed by Sony.

By the way, I'm in the same situation as you are - looking for a new phone. I'm pretty sure I'll choose one of the upcoming Sony devices. I feel that SIII may be a disappointment. It will be great phone for sure, but not mind blowing. Expectations are insanely high and we'll have many people complaining that it's not what they expected.

New iPhone is out of question as I don't like iOS and it's way overpriced. Even on contract you can't get it at reasonable price, at least from where I'm from.

HTC One X is a nice phone, but didn't fell for it while I was playing with it for a while.

Currently Xperia S is my favorite one, but when new devices are around the corner, I'm willing to wait.

Anyway, by the time will get Hayabusa and Mint on a market we may as well have rumors about better phones, for example, with NovaThor A9600 chip. What to do then, wait again? Always the same story. :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
I am facing the same dilemma. I have decided not to buy the Xperia S but, do I get the Hayabusa or the Mint?! :confused: :confused: :confused:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mrsanches:
for now, I think that I'll just wait.

I presently have the Arc, and for a year or two, I think it will do the job, even with the cracked screen

Looking at all rumours and tecnology coming.. I'll probably wait for a 2.xGhz quad-core phone, with better battery, LTE, OLED display(but not that important) the auto-cleaner glass or some **** like this, and.. if we can dream, some features as the Xperia Active

My arc falled at the toilet during a party.. I'll be in love with the next high-end phone that is waterproof and won't crack the screen after the first fall :/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
Sounds like a hell of a party! :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mrsanches:
hahaha you know, beer, alcohol, I was taking a pee, doing my stuff and browsing some **** I don't remember hahaha :P then, I said "I'm gonna let it there, cuz I dont want to step on my cellphone" BANG, the cellphone falls into the toilet and I started crying like baby, the cellphone had like 2 months.. It still working btw :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] draugaz:
I was seriously considering Xperia S, but after looking at it alive I can't help, but think it was born as a completely different device and "converted" to it's present form 5 minutes before going to production.

There are some meaningless design decisions which look like the stopgaps. For example, the back door. It feels flimsy, it moves around and has visible gaps around the edges (especially on white model). Makes otherwise very solid device feel cheap. And for what? Just to put that tiny sim card? They can't be serious. I have no doubt the device was created to have a replaceable battery.

Or those fiddly interface covers which users will be levering out at least once every day. And you even can't use a docking station in a meaningful way. What were they thinking?

White case with black front and white margin around also look inconsequent. I understand they probably did not find a supplier capable to produce white fronts. It is not trivial as even apple was forced to wait for a year or so to bring out white iphone.

Xperia P design gives some hope that sony is moving in the right direction. I hope so. I would hate a day I am forced to put up with htc sense or samsung amoleds.

Xperia S could have been my perfect device, it has perfect screen and size and I like how it looks. But given all those tiny "problems" I will wait for hayabusa or whatever comes next.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] :
Don't wanna know how you took it out. :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
After seeing the Galaxy S3, I would say NEITHER! I've been a loyal Ericsson and SE fan for over a decade and I think I am about to jump ship and get me an S3. Sony is still lagging behind and they seem to be one cycle behind everyone else! :(
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] stratax:
the s3 looks ugly both hardware and software lol just looks like another version of the galaxy s2 doesnt really look like a upgrade. Sony does seem to be a bit slow, but its always worth it, it seems. i hate waiting though when so many good phones are coming.. asus padfone, acer cloudmobile, blah blah

Sony makes great looking phones :) on that site it said "updated graphics" wonder what that means :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
Well, if the rumored Xperia mint is quad-core and is released around September/October than I am willing to wait. But, I am not sure how we can get some insider info on the Mint?! :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] stratax:
it might be just me but the s4 seems to be the best ARM processor on the market imo. its balanced with great battery life and great speed. thats all that is important with a phone :p id leave quad cores for tablets so less fragmentation happens. we already have enough of it in android it seems xD

it took forever for dual cores to work with all the apps in the market even half way. i imagine it will be the same for quad-cores

ive never owned a Sony device but i have always wanted to. ive always been a Sony fan :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Mano1982:
After seeing S3, i am so happy i bought Xperia S :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
after seeing S3, I figured it is not mine either. It says only for human....
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
Never really liked Samsung's design....maybe it's just me.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
No, I bet there are more of us here don't like Samsung design. Never wonder there are so many of us here using Xperia phones?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mrsatan:
Whenever I see Sony release dates, I usually add 3 or 4 months onto the estimated time. So we should see it at the end of this year or the beginning of the next.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
You may be a Cylon but, I am human! ;)

I never did either but, the S3 looks decent. Maybe not as elegant as Sony's design but, it terms of hardware they are much better (at least spec wise).

Unfortunately, that is true to a certain degree. :confused:

I hope unknown13x would share any info he has on the Mint! :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
You said you like SG III and we already know you are a human :D Did you skip buying Xperia S?

ION should be out soon, maybe you can have a look in store later next month and by then there should be some news on Lt29 and Lt30 and maybe 31....or not.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
Yeah, I decided to skip on the S. Not sure about the ION either. I may hold off till the Mint once we have some solid data. If it's dual core I would probably skip it too and go for the S3 sometime in September/October. It will be my first non Ericsson/SE/Sony phone since 1998! :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] stratax:
ion is a bigger, american verision of the xperia s. i wouldnt get it
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
It will also be available internationally (aka an "i" version).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] karun11:
So its confirmed. Communicasia is in June. Hayabusa to be announced on June 19.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
That's my Birthday! :D Maybe I will get a Hayabusa after all! :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
For the dual/quad core thing. Was proved that Tegra 3 runs worse on phones than Snapdragon S4.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
Could you please share your source or link? :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cikomiko:
it is an assumption, i guess.

there is possibly no other major tech-event in june.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I can't remember links, but I saw in many sites (Engadget, GSM Arena, Gizmodo, etc) and it proved to be quite faster and less batery eater.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
I also read here and here that the U.S. version of the S3 will be a Snapdragon S4 dual-core to support LTE. So the quad-core version is the global international version.

Here is a nice video comparing the Tegra 3 versus the Snapdragon S4 in the HTC One X.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] im_iceman:
That is a good video.. and kinda proves that quad core doesn't make a blind bit of difference in the real world! For the moment anyway!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] karun11:
@cikomiko

Well randomuser@Esato mentioned that it has been confirmed by a Sony Employee on FB. He had posted that the party begins on June 19th. Hence the date.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
I hope it's worth the wait....
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] stratax:
i kind of think the xperia ion is ugly, especially compared to the xperia s.

looks like a samsung phone but with good materials lol

ill be more than happy waiting for the xperia with a s4. it will be worth the wait since the s4 is having problems with shortages
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] DooMLoRD:
mint wont be quad core... it will be dual core...

IMHO dual core with good battery management is much better than quad core...

why do u think they bumped up the battery by almost 50% on the SGS3? cause even then u will hardly get a day of usage :(
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] unknown13x:
New devices won't have HDMI output anymore. Will use MHL like SS which merges all to within microUSB.

I know everyone thinks Mint is the thing to look to, but it's actually Hayabusa that's more appealing IMO. Both device uses different materials, though Mint uses an aluminum like body, to Hayabusa's plastic (similar to XS). I prefer Hayabusa's more due to it has a chromium outlining the sides and top of the device (Like the Arc/Arc S). I can say this though, in the front it looks like 100% Sony device. I can't explain how, but it blends perfectly with the Sony logo, and leaves me not being able to imagine it with SE logo at all...well, enough of the tease :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] karun11:
Hmm. That seems to clear the air a bit. The hayabusa is worth the wait then I presume.

@unknown13x

Any update on the processors? Do both the hayabusa and the mint use the same processor? You can just say yes or no :D

Also, thanks for the info up above! :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] rampraven:
Hayabusa is the name stands for fastest than any other according to Japanese code named. Worth than mint I think
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
Yes, I saw the video that compares the HTC One X running Tegra3 and the at&t version running the S4 dual-core.

So the only difference between the two will be the casing (plastic versus aluminum)? :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I think that unknown13x said the Hayabusa is THE phone, with Mint coming right away. MY opinion, all based on rumours and leaked infos, is that Hayabusa will have a Arc-ish design, with something REALLY powerful inside and Mint a NXT design with better hardware, Maybe called Xperia SS (just like Xperia Arc and Arc S).

I think that from now on, Samsung (mostly) and HTC needs to take care of Sony. REALLY care. Or it's gonna win a lot of consumers.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
I disagree with you. I think Sony needs to catch up to them first before they can be considered a threat. Samsung and HTC appear to be one step ahead in terms of hardware (spec wise at least).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] xperiax10.awesome:
Yes, its SONY who needs to catch up with Samsungs n HTCs..

Everyone including me loves Sony mobiles just because of there design n sharp UI, but this wont be enough to hold every customer..

EDIT:

Read this: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/334549/20120428/sony-lt29i-hayabusa-june-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm

from xperia PLAY
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Not yet. I said that, if all the rumours come true, we will have awesome hardware plus Sony design, hardware and software wise, with Hayabusa, then Sammy and HTC. AFTER Hayabusa announcement.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] stratax:
plus "updated graphics" and playstation certified :D i think its worth the wait. they arent behind, im sure they are waiting just like Asus is with the padfone.

http://liliputing.com/2012/05/asus-blames-padfone-delay-on-qualcomm-chip-shortage.html

edit: i would choose a ploycarbonate casing rather than aluminum anyday, much nicer feel and look.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
Well, the Hayabusa's hardware is already inferior to the Galaxy S3 even before being released (dual-core versus quad-core)! And the Mint is not a quad-core either according to unknown13x.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] stratax:
thats literally the only better thing the s3 will have. it has a pentile screen, thats enough to make me say hell no, and the ugly design. the s4 and the exynos 4 are both based on the same technology, but the s4 will have much better battery life while having great performance. i dont see why anybody would want anything above dual core, especially since they arent even optimized yet (took forever for apps/developers to optimize anything but single core)

also, Sony is great at optimizing their software. whats the point of having great hardware with out great software?

software/user experience > hardware (to a certain extent)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
Hi I am about to buy a xperia S cause I can't wait much longer(july/august) because i have a Satio and its driving me crazy..

but now that I've have read all the thread..

Is there reaaally a big diference between Snapdragon S3 and S4?? waht other improvement will hayabusa have?

thanks
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
I really don't want Android degenerate into hardware wars.

How about we learn something from Apple and focus on User Experience?

Sony's custom UI is far superior than Samsung and HTC, a stock UE which I actually enjoyed using.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] karun11:
The S4 is indeed better, brings you up to date. Wait for a month..hayabusa will be announced in June. Then you can take the final call. So hang out to your Satio, just a little longer :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
Thanks but when is it going to feel the diference between this two chipsets?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] unknown13x:
Nope, you'll feel the same. This is at the point where chips are fast enough for everything that's on the market already. Unless you're benchmarking freak, you'll see absolutely no difference in daily use.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tel033:
Thanks so i guest i'll buy the S.. but what other improvements will hayabusa have? besides s4 and LTE of course
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I think a bigger screen. Maybe a 13 Mp camera with newest Exmor-R sensor...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] batman_112:
I feel a sense of déjà vu by having this conversation. When the X10 was released 2 years ago SE thought that people would not care about the outdated Android OS (1.6 at the time) because they thought that they had a superior hardware at the time. It turns out that they were wrong, and after the well documented backlash they decided to update the X10 to Gingerbread. However, this was after all the negative publicity they received.

When the Samsung Galaxy SII was released a year ago with a dual-core processor, all I heard on Sony Ericsson forums on XDA was "we don't need dual-core because nothing is optimized for dual-core and it will drain the battery..etc...etc". As it turned out, the SGSII was a smashing success by all accounts. Now, I am hearing the exact same thing regarding the quad-core SGS3 "we don't need quad-core because dual-core is good enough".

I am one of the biggest Ericsson/SE/Sony fanboys around and I have not owned anything other than the aforementioned brands since I started using a mobile phone in 1998. And I really hope that Sony with their Xperia brand can jump back to being a top 3 OEM of smartphones as they were at some point with feature phones. However, if they keep on releasing outdated hardware while HTC and Samsung are at the forefront of cutting edge hardware technology (regardless of design and aesthetics as that is a matter of taste) then unfortunately, IMHO, Sony will always be thought of as a second tier OEM behind Samsung, HTC and Apple.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
As a matter of fact, the single core QSD8250 still doing pretty well in terms of user experience. Look at HTC HD2 dev forum, and see how many flavors of GB/ICS there are.

The group *****ing about hardware is the group of people just doing benchmark on their phone. Deja vu PC few years ago? And what's the difference in terms of user experience of Windows 7 between a dual-core CPU and quad-core CPU? Not much unless you run 3DMark/PCMark as your daily job.

It's just a cell phone, OK, smartphone. Given by the screen size and current battery technology, what more thing can you do with the phone? Play Crysis 2?