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[HTC One X] hamdir:
fair enough but they just announced the One S at least give them a week to drop the One S first

im still waiting for your signal :D

the One S is a damn sexy phone, the One X is just the gamer phone, imagine a metal frame with all that heat!! its a gamer phone for those who care about performance first and can ignore slight build quality imperfections...X = Extreme :D

i dont regret getting rid of mine, since now i can buy it at the new price point but im pretty sure flex is happening whether i like or not, lets hop it happens at the top this time, since its the most far from the LCD, touch and doesn't cause ripple ;)

oh and i don't think future batches can fix the heat/flex issue, they either have to introduce new exhaust for the heat or lower the clocks and i don't see both happening...as for T3 it will not get any cooler no matter how the yields improve, its a 40nm 5 cores chip running the max of it's 40nm thermals
[HTC One X] vegetaleb:
I would have certainly bought the One S instead of One X if it had slcd 2 HD screen, this is the only reason I am buying the One X
[HTC One X] hamdir:
did you see the screen for yourself yet? its a marvel

same reason for me, i would let go to tegra3 but not the screen

looking at engadgets' review unit, no gaps what so ever but they got the more yellowish screen ;) is still most sexy on its own http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-one-x-review/#4920186
[HTC One X] umd:
Exactly my thought. If One S had SLCD2, I would certainly buy it over One X since I don't want to buy any Tegra device again. But... I don't have too much option.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes you Do

HTC One XL will be the same as the One X but with snapdragon4, also like we read 28nm chips from TSMC will be in short supply so i don't think it will be an easy find
[HTC One X] vegetaleb:
Yes but isn't limited to American market??
[HTC One X] hamdir:
no the american will be called One X, but for the internationl market they will call it One XL, its listed on their middle east website

only big downside is 16GB internal only

im still unable to let go of tegra games tho...you have to see it to believe it

http://www.htc.com/mideast/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
[HTC One X] hamdir:
im hunting a flexless One X, once i have it, ill be reporting any change to the frame upon use, however i will let the screen glue settle and update it to 1.28 before i attempt any tegra gaming

i will follow this until the end :)

a 28nm T3 would be a dream....
[HTC One X] Techimplant:
Guys after reading this thread about all the heating issues n all I installed Riptide GP..n I played it for 1 hour continously..ya the phone got a BIT hotter but nothing serious n also there is no screen flexing issue..so I don't think that the heat is causing the flexing..maybe u are carrying a defective piece that's it ..

Btw I have been blown away by the graphics ..in love with Tegra 3:D:beer:

Sent from my Stunning White HTC One X
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yea maybe its only getting worse with a defected unit to begin with

either way hold on to yours mate, seems its hard to find a perfect specimen :)
[HTC One X] Techimplant:
Yup..this baby ain't going nowhere..I am perfectly happy with it..n the battery is perfect..watched 3 movies back to back on this n still had 37% remaining..so I am pretty happy with this all round performer..

Sent from my Stunning White HTC One X
[HTC One X] hamdir:
starting to feel it was silly to get rid of it for the silly screen flex

now i have to worry about ending up with spots, flicker and overheat, arghhh
[HTC One X] Victor.S:
You should replace it again...

I have a bit of flikker too, but I'm not shure if it is hard or software. Prime had it as well. The flikkering only started after 7 days for me.
[HTC One X] dawnfighter:
i have the screen flex as well.. but it's not bothering me much.. as long as it's ONLY appear when i push it hard..
[HTC One X] dk_iceman:
My ONE X doesn't have FLEX but at least 3-4 other ONE X i've sold where i work had flex and flicker in grey areas...

My ONE X doesn't have flicker in grey, but i've noticed sometimes it seems like the LCD is on AUTO BRIGHTNESS even when is not.. it's like the screen changes brightness level... is that the same as you call flicker ?
[HTC One X] myself11:
+1

It seems that my gap on left side of the screen is more visible after phone charging. Can someone confirm or infirm this?
[HTC One X] milanelo:
Guys, i've talked with the central in Taiwan - there shouldn't be any gap or flex, otherwise it's a defect unit. Btw today i saw a white 1X absolutely gapless and flex free. But the glitch with the slow pull of the notification bar and the flickering on the left top was present. I returned mine and will wait a month or two to buy a new one. Also there's update coming in the end of this month which will propably fix the flickering.;)
[HTC One X] hamdir:
great thanks a lot for this, glitch is in all so don't worry

why didn't you get the perfect one ?
[HTC One X] milanelo:
Yeah, i know the notification glitch is present in all 1Xs but it will be fixed with an update or atleast that's what the guys from htc said. Didn't get the gapless and flex free unit because it was white and was a tester's one.:)
[HTC One X] hamdir:
but did confirm the screen flicker is software??? (the grey, low brightness) flicker
[HTC One X] vegetaleb:
Hello Hamdir!

I just posted my Sensation in elmazad, let see if I can sell it easily for 300$.

Do you have someone interested?

Do you have a video or photo of the screen flex? I am still not sure what it looks like :o
[HTC One X] hamdir:
CNET UK had an article about with video, as u can see HTC HQ confirmed its defect

n sorry mate already abused all my burrs
[HTC One X] DanteGR:
Could u plz elaborate on the notification issue? What do u mean?

Thank you
[HTC One X] milanelo:
Did confirm that the glitch on the notification bar is a software bug. I didn't experince the other type of flickering, just the notification bar one.

@ Dante - i'm talking about the glitch that can be seen on mark 0:24 in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys-v5319SWU
[HTC One X] DanteGR:
Ok thanks man. :)

Edit: i don't seem to have it though?

Is it only on some devices?
[HTC One X] empyyy:
In my case the screen flex was there from the beginning, but it gets 'worse' when the device is getting warm.
[HTC One X] myself11:
link please, hamdir
[HTC One X] bazman70:
Exchanged mine today as a small gap had developed under screen on left side after playing shadowgun. New handset seems fine so far after running up to 54c for a while so hopefully sorted.

Both my handsets flex under pressure though, but not sure if anything to worry about
[HTC One X] hamdir:
ah like I said I still think its epidemic

if u can live with the flex keep it, I already regret returning my perfectly working phone for this reason alone
[HTC One X] hamdir:
thought ill post this in here for its relevance, oftiklaus is basically confirming receiving a faultless HOX from the same HT24 taiwan batch i had

and what do we have here? :) the left side gap evident in the HTC-Hub review unit! reviewers are simply not picking up on this stuff, its even wider than the gap i had, i have no doubt in mind that it flexes too, collecting all the dust of the world

http://www.htc-hub.com/product-review/test-htc-one-x/

now that ive been following up on the flicker thread, i think maybe some flex and screen gap is not a good return reason, my unit was working perfectly, it got rid of all yellow uneveness in one week, panasonic sensors and never had any bug and very rare occurance of the glitches and temps were pretty good, the screen and shell didnt have any imperfections, the only problem was the flex
[HTC One X] Victor.S:
So you haven't had any flickering?

Maybe i'm keeping the phone i have now. Going to compare it with the replacement on friday. I hope the Yellow spot in the left corner is going to dissapear. It appeared after 7 days ???? The only other issue I have is flickering. The flex seems to get better...
[HTC One X] hamdir:
no i had no flickering, zero :rolleyes:

check this post, Nos0x's yellow spot disappeared on it's own http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25244335&postcount=130

its strange it appeared later for you
[HTC One X] Victor.S:
We are going off-topic now :P

But would you return the phone for slight flickering on grey area's?

(On higher brightness levels)

Unfortunatly I have a yellow spot :(
[HTC One X] hamdir:
i never seen it to answer mate, on all 6 HOXes i bought for my gang i never seen the flicker now matter how hard i tried

also mine is not returned, its sold and the new owner is pretty happy

i posted a link about yellow above

i didn't have yellow spots, i had yellowness and unevenness to white, all gone after a week, you could feel its getting better all the time

i took photos to compare and proved it

Day1 (right)

Day5 (left)
[HTC One X] myself11:
Ahah, nice find hamdir. My screen gap is exactly the same as the image you posted. You think isn't a reason to return? On friday I'm going to a HTC Repair Center, I'll leave feedback here on their answer to my complaints.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
well if you ask me if you have a perfectly working one with only the flex bothering its better to repair than risk exchange all over again

they will simply re-glue the screen, you can put a condition for flawless work

like our friend djolebih did on his own
[HTC One X] myself11:
I have residual flex (pressing sides and a grey stain appearing) and flickering. But it's hard to prove to them. My main complaint is the yellowish screen, but they won't exchange screen because of that.

What it "condition for flawless work"?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
lol i mean telling them you not accept a returned imperfect HOX

you have the flicker too??
[HTC One X] myself11:
Yes, I have flicker but very rarely, so it's really hard to prove to them.

When One X is hot I also have the flex, but I feel stupid explaining them that I'm pressing the sides to find issues with my phone :p

I cannot return my unit. If I could...
[HTC One X] madik_:
Haven't noticed any problem of screen rigidity under heat. Only the unpleasant feeling of the screen when its hot.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
well im still convinced flex is a lot more common than then we all think

its just very unpredictable worse for some, since htc is clearly tolerating some imperfections

its just a gap occurring randomly, where it happens is the weak spot of the glue, my cousin has it on the top of the screen so far from your Touch and the LCD, no ripple and it never came back after we pressed it, his sides are perfect almost zero light bleed

his screen is the whiter white, no flicker and honestly i would pay to have it off him lol

the temp relation is still a theory since many a reporting no gap despite 63 degree heat also the poly shell can tolerate heat over 100deg and this is most likely why HTC chose it, so far the only thing for sure if the screen is loose in one part the heat is exaggerating the effect

so hard to find a perfect HOX its a pain to be honest, unicorn just like Engadget called it lol
[HTC One X] drew071:
I took my wife's phone back to the shop and showed them what happened.my wife's screen had also popped out of its car on the left hand side.

Mine however is completely ok,rigid and no gaps appearing.

Drew071
[HTC One X] electronic_stuff:
I don't have any screen flex yet but do have bulge on back. White hox less than a week old three uk
[HTC One X] Victor.S:
Replace:)
[HTC One X] electronic_stuff:
I don't see a lot of point as replacement may be worse. Plus I'm rooted and custom rom. Tho three don't tend to check. Maybe if it gets worse
[HTC One X] hirokoboi:
I did not notice the flexing but notices this marks on the cover instead...
[HTC One X] jonstatt:
@hirokoboi Are you saying your phone arrived like this, or it has developed these marks? Someone else has already posted absolutely identical marks and we assumed he had been careless with the phone a rough table or something like that.
[HTC One X] hirokoboi:
it developed these marks. the phone was well taken care of.

Not sure is it due to heat.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
oh those are clearly battery marks...

im still convinced that the flex can occur on it its own

my new HOX is perfectly tightly fit with zero gaps, it will be the perfect test if heat cause this damage

however like i said in one week, im letting the battery settle, as well as the screen glue first, updated to 1.28 out of box

for now this phone is not allowed to over heat :D
[HTC One X] jonstatt:
But what would cause marks like that to appear? We all know the phone gets a LOT hotter at the top than the bottom. Those marks are at the bottom of the phone which is coolest. These marks make no sense to me whatsoever.

You say its the battery outline. But if the bottom was showing through, why not the top?

What about a phone left on a table and allowed to vibrate when it rings etc? Could the surface be that vulnerable?
[HTC One X] hirokoboi:
frankly speaking i do not think that the phone's vibration is that strong to cause these marks to happen on the cover.
[HTC One X] myself11:
I went to a HTC Repair Center yesterday (2 times).

First time the girl repeatedly said that the best thing to do was to return my One X at the store (I can't do that) and that HTC Repair Center could take around 30 days to fix it. That were the instructions provided by HTC.

I returned in the afternoon and got a different employee, who just accepted the device. I think he didn't knew One X, cause he was trying to take off back cover in order to check IMEI. I explained to him screen flex and gap, but he said it was normal. I think he didn't quite understand the issues, so I'm almost sure that won't fix anything and that I'll have to get angry next time I go there pick up the device.

I really regret buying HTC One X :( I even avoid coming here to XDA, it's getting too stressful. If I had a buyer for a decent price, I would get rid of it right away. But I won't sell a device that has these flaws, it's not acceptable.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
well u had an hd2 and were happy with it

only thing I decided from this mess is to never buy at launch again, even with flex I had tons of fun with my first hox and the buyer didn't mind the flex, it was perfect in every way except the flex

I actually think all HOXes will end up with flex if the phone falls or whatever, also wrote about the yellow screen in my megathread there Is a lot to like about it

definitely with these kind of build faults including the flushed camera glass HTC can never dream of fighting apple, funny when we were always were proud about their quality and every review usual line is "HTC usual premium build quality"

but still if u have a hox slightly defected you can enjoy all its awesome abilities still, not the end of the world, imagine it felt down n got damaged :)
[HTC One X] myself11:
I understand your point hamdir, but it's legit for me to feel this way. A few days ago - the night before you found the perfect unit - you were really pissed off with HTC. When you have a good unit, it's easier to be rational.

BTW, I checked the panel comparison, nice post.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
no mate I understand perfectly I have a miserable battery life for now and a half dead pixel mid screen trying to live with, I usually keep my devices for 2 years, I also didn't try any tegra app yet so I still don't know how hot itcan handle, I'm just trying to make u feel better

so u left it at repair? but if they didn't understand what will they fix
[HTC One X] myself11:
Thanks, hamdir. I think I'm getting a bit sensitive about One X lol

You're right, I wasn't assertive and clear enough, I was a bit anxious to be honest.

Maybe I'll call them or go there again to clear things up.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
Guide to fix the screen flex yourself
[HTC One X] wcypierre:
so, if you have this problem, to change, or not to change?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
up to you mate, if you have the luxury to pick your next one yourself and make sure it has non of the issues especially flicker, yes but if your exchange will risk getting you inta a loop of exchange better not

I couldn't stand the device not being rigid this is why I changed it, the nu is pretty solid
[HTC One X] hamdir:
ok report on my HOX

like you know i made sure to pick a perfectly glued unit on all sides and perfectly fit, perfectly rigid

but now as i use it and the unit heats up, the left side gets a tiny bit softer (not nearly as bad as my previous) when i turn off the screen and the unit cools off, the left side gets rigid again

so i'm not intending to mess up with the screen edges and leave them on their own

one thing for sure, as you use your HOX, the poly shell expands with the heat, usage and shocks, this very slight expansion relaxes the screen on the left side or a random corner, the situation is much worse if the screen lamination was defect/imperfect out of box

but like i said all along, its part of the design of the HOX, the screen lamination remains the weakest element with the metal rim clipped to the Poly shell having a stronger bond

i think with such a tight design we shouldn't be very picky but we should make sure are no glue defects out of box

glue defects out of box can be detected in the following signs:

- obvious gap on one side, often the left side, you can sometimes see glue remains inside this gap

- obvious and sensitive to soft touch LCD ripple, which can be anywhere like even the furthest corner or below the touch buttons, so you need to check all sides, don't press too hard since its normal to ripple under very hard pressure, pressing too hard might cause damage to the lamination

- obvious screen softness/flex on one of the sides which might be a sign of uneven glue below
[HTC One X] myself11:
Thanks for the sum up, hamdir.

I think we should try to report this to HTC, as other have reported flickering.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
time to revive this thread

flex issues and are simply screen glue issue

so i got rid of mine and got dust under the screen instead in the new one which is really the same problem

so im really considering following djolebih guide and remove the screen to clean and re-glue it myself, since HTC seems to fail so bad in this
[HTC One X] wcypierre:
so your flex issue is gone after cleaning the glue?
[HTC One X] vegetaleb:
Since the Nexus 1 I keep finding topics with ''dust under the screen'' for all HTC devices!

HTC is not top quality in everything, their materials are top notch but their assembly is bad
[HTC One X] hamdir:
no i changed my phone

no flex in the new one and fit well, rigid

but later found it had a spec of dust like dead pixel and a sort of grain visible in angles, i still didn't try to fix it myself, considering it

the place i bought it from refused to exchange on spot and suggested i send to repair, while i was willing to pay some money to exchange in another shop and found the layer of grain in two others i tried

eventually i gave up on the whole thing

its not about quality or factories or whatever, the person assembling the phone is being sloppy

its clearly being done by hand? seeing a One X with no imperfections to the glue is gorgeous and its a shame its being ruined by sloppiness
[HTC One X] wcypierre:
you only had the screen flex issue and you issued for a replacement based on that issue right?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes more or less the screen was very soft on the left side and had bleed all around
[HTC One X] wcypierre:
oh well, hopefully we'll find a perfect one then.........

p/s: I noticed that if you heat the phone up then cool it down intentionally(open air conditioner or whatsoever, just don't put it in a fridge), then it will kinda like stay like that(mine had a lot of sounds, but after I heat it up then cool it down, then the sound disappeared but it took me several attempts before it actually became normal back.). It'll become loose again when you heat it up again but there will be no sound when you press it even after you didn't cool it down intentionally.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
ok I can finallyconfirm the screen flex is a complete outbox defect, my latest Hox is rigid as hell, feels so much higher quality with pristine metallic rim coating
[HTC One X] hamdir:
ok here is my gorgeous new HOX

you can see in the following photos how both sides are tightly fit and rigid, no dust can come in, together with the smooth metal frame, the smooth glass flows into the sides "LIKE ADVERTISED"
[HTC One X] myself11:
Beautiful unit you have there hamdir. Thanks for the feedback.
[HTC One X] milanelo:
Is there any light bleeding in the bottom corners on your new 1x hamdir?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
nothing mate, no light bleed all around
[HTC One X] Eddzz!!:
What constitutes a return-worthy screen ripple? The grey HOX I currently have is perfect (I thought) but when I apply considerable pressure to the edges and bottom of the phone, a slight rainbow ripple forms around my finger. Should this be considered normal, or does it warrant a return? :confused:
[HTC One X] hamdir:
normal, in all of them including the Sensation XL, its when the ripple is much worse and happening at slight touch or mid screen or caused by the loose screen flexing that its considered a problem

my perfect unit i posted above has it like you described
[HTC One X] fallenwout:
I posted the link in 2 other threads as well. But the screen flex issue applies to so many threads. xda needs cleanup

This is the flex i got from my 3rd HTC One X. Not much pressure is applied, noticable when I just hold the phone, the screen is rippled as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elLrWWFVNOM
[HTC One X] jonstatt:
We thought my friends new HOX was a perfect one. It took a whole day before we realised that the polycarbonate was slightly deformed near the USB port. It doesn't sit absolutely flush to the metal lining holding the screen. There are no gaps around the screen to the metal lining. But he has this slight distortion/ripple in the polycarbonate near the USB port. It is slight, and as the phone seems to be behaving perfectly in every other way, it is probably worth letting this go.

But it just shows, if everyone has such "exacting" standards as I do, I am not sure there is such a thing as a perfect HOX. Even those that say they have one, I would put money on me finding a flaw or two on it.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
well my new one is, i tried every bit of it before i took it and yes believe it or not it is, no gaps, no flex, no creak, no screen issues, nothing, perfectly rigid ofcourse you know how many HOXes i unboxed to find it

It has LCD ripple under hard pressure on outer edges which im convinced now its trait of the One X and not a defect unless its behaving badly, Sensation XL has the exact same

unless you consider a spec of imperfection to the metallic coating a problem? :D
[HTC One X] jonstatt:
I thought you had a strange white pixel thing on yours...and some very slight markings to the polycarbonate casing? :)
[HTC One X] hamdir:
i got rid of it ;) it also had a coarse metallic frame which i couldn't stand

Here is my newer one, third One X: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25716775&postcount=3662
[HTC One X] jonstatt:
Looks good...brave man though going for a grey one because I am convinced they mark more easily. How many more boxes did you have to open to find that one? This is the big trouble...I don't have the option of opening 20 boxes, and you should never need to!!

I don't think my friend is going to send back this one though. Its getting reasonable AnTuTu scores (over 11,000), all sensors work, no gap between screen and metal frame, no flexing, no ripple, fairly uniform screen with a whitish white, no stuck or dead pixels, no badly painted metal frame, no LED light coming through gap at top of polycarbonate casing. It ticks every box except this slight distortion near the USB port in the polycarbonate. The only way you can really see it is by looking along the line of the phone, and there is a bit where the polycarbonate casing is not in contact with the metal lining...What would you do? :)