yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC One X] neovius:
no, the only thing i got is a assembly/dissasembly + troubleshooting guide which part to replace with certain issues..

from that i got the picture from the pogo plugs
[HTC One X] Polarfuchs:
http://mobiputing.com/2012/06/whats-new-in-android-4-1/

Is this somehow useful to understand the functions of the HTC dock?
[HTC One X] krepa:
@jires

ID is usually expecting resistance on it. Once a while it need to detect it. Can you check what happens if you connect different resistors?

Spikes on audio can be carkit communication. Basically data during audio. Phone can talk to dock while playing music
[HTC One X] biggdaniell:
And in that post you said:

So if usb is disconnected there is no way to trigger dock mode using pogo pins only (rendering pogo ping pointless IMO).

I am currently building an pogo pins car holder/charger using using parts I already own from my previous phones and I intend to make/post a tutorial here on xda, but first I need to know how to use those pins...

Here are my questions again:

1. how to charge?

Answered in the fist post: 5v to pin5 & GND to pin1

2. This will charge the phone just like an wall charger or it will be limited to 500mah (like pc usb charging)?

According to first post pin1&pin5 are physically connected to pin5&pin1 on microusb port, but someone on this thread said he tried charging using these pins and the charging current was limited to 500mah

3. If the current is limited to 500mah, is there a way to trigger full current charging (using pogo pins only)?

4. Is there a way to trigger docking mode (using pogo pins only)?

According to ingFU "PIN 4 to GND over 1k Ohm" should trigger docking mode but only when usb is connected
[HTC One X] ingFu:
Maybe the dock mode also gets triggered when you charge via pogo pins when pulling pin 4 down. Haven't tried that yet.

Edit: Just tried it, works as well.
[HTC One X] godutch:
no info on debricking a hard brick?
[HTC One X] biggdaniell:
Cool, thanks!!

Can you also check is full charging mode is enabled when dock mode is triggered? If pin1&pin5 are indeed physically connected to pin5&pin1 on microusb port and dock mode is triggered by pulling pin4 to GND then I see no reason for this not to work (full power charging mode) because all docks I came across with weren't limited to 500mah charging.
[HTC One X] tids2k:
I understand you can't publish the service manual. But at least try to explain how to get into APX mode because I am sure when you guys repair a bricked or dead phone, you have to get into diagnosis mode and that is not possible with tegra 3 until you go with the hardware approach by passing short current waves to detect the mode. Does that make any sense ?
[HTC One X] Dubhaltach:
hTC aren't silly enough to give full manual permission to anyone. He deals with taking them apart, and, as he says only gets the correct permissions to view the hardware.

On another note, I know you have to short the 2 data cables in the USB side of things for full ampage charging, is there a chance of could be the same here?
[HTC One X] jires:
Bypassing charging current by shorting data on USB is due to USB specifications, this is to prevent a damage of USB host, when you connect phone to laptop I.e. it will pull 500mA only.

Here, this shouldn't be a issue, pogo pins are not USB port.

I think, at 99% will it work when pin 4 will be used.

I don't have time to check it.

I have to sleep sometimes...
[HTC One X] jires:
I'll look at it in near future.
[HTC One X] jires:
First post updated!!

Sorry for that it took so long time, but I'm pretty busy at work on huge project, no time to do something more....
[HTC One X] KrisPerry:
Nice detailed output
[HTC One X] twe69:
Sorry not read the whole thread but has anyone actually made something using the pogo pin information that we now have?

Thanks.
[HTC One X] hubseven:
If you do a Google product search for "HTC one x accessories pogo pins" you will find loads.
[HTC One X] JDAapps:
Hi All, great thread going here, interesting and helpful information :good:.

I was looking to mod my USB desk dock (non-pogo, just microUSB) to trigger Dock Mode. Unlike the rear pogo port, a 1Kohm resistor does not do the trick. However, I found that a 1.5Kohm resistor does in fact consistently trigger Dock Mode.

Unfortunately

, this also activates an "audio-out" mode (i.e. CR S650 with speaker), so the on-phone speaker is deactivated. I suspect the same may be true for activating Dock Mode via the pogo port, in case anyone was planning on making a pogo-pin dock without a speaker (but if you can confirm otherwise, please let me know!!!!).

Maybe someone has some ideas as to how to make it not activate audio-out mode? I'd like it to trigger Dock Mode, but leave the built-in speaker activated. It seems to deactivate the speaker even if pins 2-3 are shorted for non-data, fast-charge mode :confused:. Perhaps I'm actually triggering an audio-out version of Desk Dock, instead of the desired (and hopefully existent!) non-audio-out Desk Dock Mode?

Any ideas are welcome, and any help would be much appreciated! (In my free time, I'm digging through kernel source to see if I can at least find the various mode ADC values to calculate the resistance for :eek:)
[HTC One X] twe69:
I couldn't find anything apart from official things or those linked to this website....

Any weblinks would be helpful, thanks.
[HTC One X] jires:
You're right, I did a typing error. On pogo pins should be 1,1kOhm not 1kOhm, sorry about confusing. It's look like USB an POGO acting the same on same resistance, 10k to car dock, 1,1k or 1,5k to dock with speaker, we just need to find the right resistance to turn dock without speaker on.... Who knows, maybe if we will find some other resistance HOX will transform in a household robot which can make breakfest.... :)
[HTC One X] JDAapps:
That's ok, because actually a 1Kohm resistor does work just fine on the rear pogo port, just not on the USB port (nor does a 1.1Kohm... it must be 1.5Kohm on USB for some reason, even though 10Kohm works perfect on both ports for Car Dock Mode :confused:).

Unfortunately, after reviewing the kernel source for the USB driver and accessory detection, it seems we are simply out of luck on this one. HTC is forcing "audio-out" with Desk Dock mode in all cases. Just to be clear, this means that if you use the 1Kohm (1.5K for USB) resistor in your dock, your HOX's built-in speaker and headphone jack become disabled. So for those of you looking for pogo pins and to make your own dock, keep this in mind! (i.e. you can charge and sync ok, but you cannot use Dock Mode unless you also plan to design audio amp circuitry and speaker into your dock:eek:)

For what it's worth, this really dampers my intentions, so if I can muster up some free time soon, I plan to build our kernel with audio-out disabled, as I have absolutely no use for that feature what-so-ever. When I do, I'll post it in the development thread and stick a link to it here in case anyone else is interested :).
[HTC One X] artymarty:
ok, if it deactivates the speaker and audio jack, how about bluetooth audio? you can tell it to use that and just get a $10 bluetooth dongle of ebay. That is how I set up my dock, so when you plug it in, it charges, does audio and you dont need wires ...
[HTC One X] JDAapps:
Are you asking if it works, or telling me it does work and you have already tried it??

I don't have a BT audio streaming device to try it with.
[HTC One X] artymarty:
I haven't tried it, my custom docks are all usb based, I will order some pogo pins from Ebay but won't have time for a month or so to do anything as I'm drowning under homework / art projects.

I will say that blue tooth takes over /overrides all audio options so far..

Logically it would work in conjunction with the HTC dock as if you have the phone on dock, and a call comes in it would be diverted to your headset...

You could also call/email HTC and ask.

Hope this helps

Marty

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[HTC One X] angusc:
What on earth has happened to the HTC official dock....... Mine has been on back order for over a month. Just keep getting a delay after delay. Are they worried about something to release this accessory?

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[HTC One X] Polarfuchs:
Maybe they wait till jelly bean is on the OneX?

http://www.android.com/about/jelly-bean/

There is a new feature on jelly bean.
[HTC One X] theDroidfanatic:
That would take too long. HTC needs to put HTC Sense on top of it too :/

Sent from just another HTC One X, sporting a Quad-Core Tegra 3 processor, and an 8MP 1080P camera, flanked by a 720P 4.7" display. Nothing Extraordinary ;)

Oh, and hit the thanks button :D
[HTC One X] npropanol:
My headphone jack is working in dock mode...
[HTC One X] JDAapps:
What dock do you have? What ROM & kernel are you running?
[HTC One X] npropanol:
I'm running CleanRom 3.0. I have no dock, currently testing pogo possibilities! With the usb connected (pc or ac), if I touch a 1.0k resistor to the ground and 4 pogo I get dock mode. Then, if I play some music, the phone speaker does not work (but there is no indication that it is disabled), but the headphone jack works fine.
[HTC One X] biggdaniell:
One quick question: which pin is 1 and which pin is 5 (I mean how do you people count them, from top to bottom or the other way around)?

10x

LE: nevermind...it's in the first post: "Pins counted from bottom of the phone"

Sorry :)
[HTC One X] biggdaniell:
I promised I'll make a tutorial for building an Pogo pin Car Dock so here it is: click

10x
[HTC One X] angusc:
More disappointment from HTC with further delays in their release of the official desk dock......here is the email that I received from Expansys:

"Hi Angusc,

I am sorry to inform you that: HTC One X Desktop Cradle with Speaker CR S650 (UK) has delayed again. The updated lead time is 07/08/2012 to FR warehouse.

Thank you

Best Regards,...."

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[HTC One X] npropanol:
Here is what I have so far - note the second pic is a screenshot while docked but not powered. I guess the resistor between id and ground is enough to trigger dock mode. When powered it does charge at full current, but the speaker is disabled. (I am able to pull audio from the audio pogo, but I do not yet have an elegant way of doing so.)

Also, when not powered the speaker works!
[HTC One X] Unlogic.se:
Nice is that an ebay dock with the USB connector removed and custom pogo pins added?
[HTC One X] babaAntoun:
Hi, would this be the official HTC dock?
[HTC One X] angusc:
Yes it's the HTC pogo pin dock and another delay from HTC......now not expected until late August. I really do not know what HTC is playing at, by the time they release this dock the One-X will be in retirement!

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[HTC One X] E:V:A:
Too bad I did not see this thread from day one, as it took me about 10 seconds to realize that you're dealing with a modified uUSB port. This kind of port behavior has been seen in many other phones, as for me in particular all of the Samsung Galaxy S 1-2-3 series.

All you need to know can be found here on XDA, but for different devices, and no matter what crApple says, all devices become more and more similar, because we are actually trying to comply with standards. (Something that crApple stopped doing long ago, until a court had to smack them on their fingers and make their chargers conform to USB charger standards.)

To make a long story very short:

Your (our) phone contains several signal path switches known as multiplexers (MUX), that can switch signal paths to/from UART/USB/AUDIO/VIDEO (MHL) and various charging modes etc... This can be done in many different ways by software or hardware.

- In hardware it's usually done by resistor values between USB_ID and GND pins.

- In software it can be done in infinitely many ways.

- Your phone can contain any number of switches/MUXes and even internal USB hubs.

In particular look at all the links ("Resources") in the first post on this thread and the Resistor value table in the second post of that same thread.

After having read that and some of the Charging spec's you should be in a position to build your own "dock" with whatever functionality you wish!

Tricky part for you HTC guys are to figure out the various resistor values for your device.

Could someone please drop the Service Manual!! Then it would be perfectly clear what's inside your phone and how it's connected.

Also if someone can post detailed interior photos of the PCB, I can probably figure out what hardware (switches/MUXs,MHL chips are used).

Cheers!

Because there are multiple functions possible for those pins, that can be set by software and/or hardware. You're probably looking at UART, AUDIO or MHL...

What is "that" supposed to do actually?

In any case, listen to tids2k, because this is what's actually going on in general:

Although the USB_ID function is prob diff.
[HTC One X] f4flake:
Excellent post and one which once again convinces me that the way to APX is via the pogo pins.
[HTC One X] jimmy-boi:
This looks great if I knew how to use this. :D
[HTC One X] biggdaniell:
It's not that complicated. I made a dock based on information found here.
[HTC One X] ORStoner:
I understand that the charging pogo pin is physically connected to the micro usb port. Kholk determined that the motherboard is not capable of supplying voltage for otg devices.

I wonder if you used an extended battery case that uses the pogo pins, the voltage would also go to the usb charging port pin, and enable the use of OTG devices without a powered hub.

I'm probably wrong but I thought it was better to ask anyway.
[HTC One X] ORStoner:
I was right. USB OTG works without a powered hub with kholk kernel and a battery case
[HTC One X] angusc:
Can you give some details on the steps to get otg to work. I still can't get kholks kernel to work with otg using the external power method but I'm unclear about the final step and where to find my connected external card after i followed the initial steps.

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[HTC One X] ORStoner:
For the powered method, plug the device you want to use into your powered hub with the hub turned off. Plug the hub into your phone with an otg cable then turn it on.

For my method, plug the device into your phone using an otg cable. Then turn on the battery case.

HTC One X CM10 EPRJ
[HTC One X] angusc:
So if i only have a passive usb hub can that work with normal method and then apply the power to the passive hub by plugging it to the pc or another usb cable to provide the power?

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[HTC One X] ORStoner:
I don't think that will work. The powered hub I have has a dc jack and adapter for power. Perhaps you could solder the power cables of a usb cable to the cable you are plugging into your phone.

HTC One X CM10 EPRJ
[HTC One X] angusc:
Yes actually i purchased a Samsung OTG cable and added another usb cable for the external power. But with kholks kernel i can't seem to make it work to access my external sdcard.......

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[HTC One X] ORStoner:
You have to mount the external sdcard manually so you can access it

HTC One X CM10 EPRJ
[HTC One X] angusc:
How do i mount it.....via cwm or via es file manager or root explorer? This is the part that i have struggled with since testing kholks kernel. His video is not very clear about that part.

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[HTC One X] ORStoner:
I'm sorry I don't know how to mount it. He had instructions on his thread but he removed them...

HTC One X CM10 EPRJ
[HTC One X] BenPope:
I would guess you fire up a terminal and write:

mount /dev/blahdeblah

There is StickMount on the play store, but dunno if it'll work.
[HTC One X] angusc:
I did have stick mount installed before but it did not seem to work for me.....probably did it wrong, just waiting for JB to be released which seems to have otg support out of the box.

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[HTC One X] andersop91:
What's wrong?

Hi,

First of all; exellent post! Gave me inspiration to make a car dock,

but during the making a problem came up.

That is my second point: The pogopins wouldn't work! I've made the dock and connected everything as it should, but nothing happens.

I've also tested with different resistor values. During that stage, i also figured out that the phone didn't even charge.

I've now tested the phone's usb connection vs the pogo pins with the diode function on a multimeter: GND is physically connected, but pogo pin no. 5 doesn't seem to be connected to the +5v usb :( :eek:

My phone is a HTC One X Europe version (Scandinavian)

Please help me! :fingers-crossed:
[HTC One X] E:V:A:
^^ Those of you running custom ROMs will probably not get this to work. Why? Because many custom ROMs/Kernels are crippled for the "pogo"-pin functionality.
[HTC One X] andersop91:
But would that affect the physical connections? Or is there some kind of digital switches?
[HTC One X] E:V:A:
Both.
[HTC One X] sjmik:
Hi, I have read through the thread and thought I understood most of what was said, however I can't seem to get audio out to work.

I have a 1.3kOhm resistor connected across pins 1 (gnd) and 4(id); the phone enters dock mode fine.

I also have pins 2 and 3 connected to line-in on my amplifier, using pin 1 as ground again.

The problem is, when I play music from dock mode, all the sound continues to only come out of the phone speaker.

Any ideas on how I could get the audio out to work?
[HTC One X] ehsanmp:
Hmm

Can you force pogo pin 1A charging by flipping the data pins 2 and 3? I use this method with a re terminated usb cable on my non htc car charger.
[HTC One X] mugglesquop:
sounds like an interesting idea, any more info on the mod you have done before?

i noticed using a samsung micro USB cable it comes up as 'Charging USB', where as my HTC charger/cable comes up as 'Charging AC' and the same on my generic in car charger. not sure if it chargers quicker tho.
[HTC One X] k0rner:
Yes, that works, I've tried.

As POGO pins +5v and GND are physically connected to USB +5v and GND - there is no difference at all.
[HTC One X] B!GBOY:
ok maybe its not the right place but as you guys was talking about otg and working with battery case... hub..

i tried the usb hub verion and its working i bought a Chinese simple usb hub for about 2$ :D then removed the usb cable attached to it and used a micro usb cable so i can connect it to phone (you should connect one of the pins to gnd as its 5 pins and this is the part it commands the phone that its an OTG cable - i dont remember which one google it :D ) then attached the 2 wires of the usb cable to one of the usb holes in the hub so it works a a power supply when i connect it to phones charger :)

and for mounting a usb disk you should know some mounting commands from linux i guess, my friend did the software part i did the hardware :D lol

please forgive grammatical errors :)
[HTC One X] wormyrocks:
Hey everyone,

Can anyone point me in the right direction in terms of getting pogo pin charging working with a Palm Touchstone wireless charger? Which pins do I need to connect to what in order to get it to work? So far I've tried just pins 1 and 5, but it doesn't seem to see that it's charging. Original thread here...

(P.S. I have an AT&T One XL, I don't know if anyone knows if the pinouts are different)
[HTC One X] angusc:
Can you help to explain that more clearly for me? I use a mugren 3200mAh case and it is slow to charge the phone can I make it charge at 1A? So how to make that work please?

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[HTC One X] k0rner:
You need to take micro-USB cable, cut it in the middle, and short-circuit white and green wires. Then, plug this "turbo-switch" into the USB port.

If your cable does not have red+white+green+black wires - that was a bad cable :silly:

Also, that battery case may be unable to charge at 1A - that is worth checking as well.
[HTC One X] angusc:
Thanx for that, just a bit more Q&A......

from the first post it states:

Pins counted from bottom of the phone:

1. - GND

2. - Audio Dock output

3. - Audio Dock

4. - Dock ID

5. - Re-charge

My Mugen battery case is connecting (obviously) to pins 1 & 5.

So what I think you are saying above is that on the back of the One-X device i would need to short togthers Pins 2 & 3 and then connect the battery case and that should make the phone accept 1A charging rather than without the shorted pins 2 & 3 where the phone would only allow 500mAh charging?

Did I understand and explain that correctly? The other way that i could read your reply is that i need to make an adapter (you call it the Turbo switch) which is basically a micro plug and cable that has pins 2 & 3 shorted together (Green & White wires twisted together) no other wires connected. then with the battery case installed (Supplying power to pins 1 & 5) and the Turbo switch plugged in to the side of the phone at the same time as the battery case is switched on I should get 1A charging from the battery case if it can support it?
[HTC One X] k0rner:
"the other way" is correct:

You should short wires of the microUSB cable, not pins on back of One X, and have that cable connected to the phone to allow it to take 1A from the charger.
[HTC One X] ehsanmp:
Erm slightly confused by how this is worded, can you supply 1a charge to the phone by shorting the wires that connect to the pogo pins in the dock?

I'm looking to build a nice little upright dock to hold the phone in portrait orientation, but it's no good to me if it doesn't charge at full rate.
[HTC One X] michnsteve:
I think there is confusion as to what he meant. I think like me he has his phone charging via a touch stone. I have put the palm pre coil inside my one x, the touchstone is putting out 1 amp and I am getting 1 amp at the coil however the phone is only actually charging at USB rate via pogo pins 1 and 5. Trying to figure out how to get the phone to accept ac charging via the pogo pins?
[HTC One X] piotrus22:
hi can anyone tell me if the coil in the pixi case is the same as the pre case? basically the pixi case is cheaper by a few bucks so if it's the same i'll yank it out of that one...

thanks in advance!!!
[HTC One X] michnsteve:
I think the pixi coil is slightly smaller but its the same tech.
[HTC One X] -=nezero=-:
USB Debugging through pins?

Hello,

I posted to a different thread about this before finding this thread.

From reading this thread it would appear that the official Desktop Cradle is unable to be used as a USB device (USB debugging, mount storage etc) as it only uses the POGO pins. (Something the people at HTC Accessory Store had no idea about)

If someone doesn't mind confirming this for me, i would appreciate it. As i am considering returning the product as it does not do what i want it to.
[HTC One X] Unlogic.se:
This is usually the case with pogo pin based docks. The Nexus One dock doesn't have USB via the pogo pins either.
[HTC One X] mrzeo:
I would like to build the simplest 500mA charger using POGO pins. Just a quick question before I broke something. If I have a standard USB charger 1A, cut the cable, connect black cable to GND (first POGO pin) and red to re-change (fifth POGO pin) will it work?
[HTC One X] jires:
Yes, it will.
[HTC One X] Scarfex:
usb short

Hey i know this thread is out of date but i was trying the pogo pin mod for wireless charging and i accidentally put the wrong wires on d pogo pins. Pogo pin 5 sparked and now my usb port isn't working. If as u say, it is connected to the the usb and it did short out how do i fix this?

and can i fix it without removing the usb port? Thanks in advance
[HTC One X] kasunsscx1:
bro can u please tell me how to connect and pogo pins gnd/5vv/data+/data-

bro can u please tell me how to connect and pogo pins gnd/5vv/data+/data-

1.?

2.?

3.?

4.?

5?

thanks
[HTC One X] insanimal:
Aaah, damn.

The charging pins are physically connected to the USB port? I had been hoping not as I was looking for a workaround to allow me to both charge the phone and use USB OTG host mode at the same time.
[HTC One X] Thant:
yes you can use backback battery bank for the pins and connect usb otg on the free usb