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[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
As much as all of us would love to have unlocked bootloaders for Moto-phones, I'm banking on NOT having them anytime soon. The only people complaining about not having unlocked bootloaders is such a small piece of the pie. The petition itself has barely reached 10,000 signatures. When there are millions of Android device owners out there, Motorola and Sprint must be thinking, "Why bother?" The way I see it, we're sort of at the carrier's and manufacturer's mercy to accept whatever they give us..since they are the ones providing us the devices in the first place.

In Motorola and Sprint's minds, does NOT having an unlocked bootloader hurt the brand and lose them money? Probably not. We as consumers will still buy the best devices available (a.k.a. our beloved Photon) with the best plans available (unlimited baby!).

With that said, it'd be a surprise to me if Motorola had unlocked bootloaders going forward in the near future. I think they'd consider it if they saw a mass exodus to Samsung phones (read hundreds of thousands). But if they keep on putting out great devices, fingers crossed for Mo-Pho Q 4G LTE, It'll be hard for us to make that jump.

Just my opinion... ;)

K
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sslbaron:
+1 Agreed. It's not like it's going to stop our awesome xda community from finding ways around it :p
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dre89:
Q is for QWERTY and I will buy it if it is

sent from deep space on a random Photon
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
Not me, I will EVO bounce!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
C is for can you confirm that? I think there's a definite split here between qwerty and non qwerty fans...I am of the latter. How can the photon be thin with qwerty? Ain't happening and would be a step in the wrong direction for Motorola.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] booyakasha:
There are two different devices in the works, one slate, one qwerty.

I played with the slab version a couple days ago, while it was a very early prototype (hadn't yet gone to testing) its a worthy successor.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Draiko:
Are they packing S4 or Tegra 3 SoCs?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
Please give SOME spec's before I get EVO next monday?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Why don't you hold off and wait for the price of the EVO to drop before buying it? Win-win...you'll know the specs soon enough I'm sure, and then you'll have a choice, AND get it for cheaper if the EVO is the one you want.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
Thanks, but I will likely get both, for a minute. $530.00 for original EVO, $628.00 for Photon. I will likely put them on e-bay at somepoint. I really need to cleanup my desk at the crib as I got crap everywhere. I will likely dump the Tilt and Fuze from AT&T too!I'm done with Windows phones and have not flashed in years!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
lol ive got to figure out a way to get my wife the evo lte since i plan on using my airvana's upgrade on my new photon lte ;P
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] wintrxtrem:
Does that still work? Best Buy? I tried recently without success, but it could be that I'm on SERO.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
this will be my first time, ive got people bugging me to do it to a gnexus so i can work on ACSOP a bit closer. but from my understanding it works best with a sprint emploee or telesales
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KyleJDavison:
I kinda hope you're right about not seeing it until then. The "wife" would not appreciate me buying a new phone before then. :D
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] booyakasha:
Not sure about SoC, I will run a quadrant in the morning. Pretty sure that provides that info.

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It's in line with all the devices coming out now lol that probably doesn't help though. Screens beautiful, new MAP is real nice (retains a lot of stock ICS functionality, just refined), little buggy though so dont know about performance, camera is wacky still as its an early build. Cant comment on build quality either as they are in dummy cases.

Worried about running my mouth too much since the source is a family member, sorry. My inner geek wants to let it all out through!!! MUST. RESIST.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
antutu will give good info :)

quadrant will give ya nothign useful
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Equalizir:
I'm with youth on that. But I think I'm done with Motorola anyways.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Unofficial Release Date???

From http://www.releasedates.co/motorola

June-July Release date??? Inconceivable! Maybe late Q3 or early Q4...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
@KTT16, If this is true, I'm holding off on EVO next Monday. 1. Monday is pre-order and it will likely be a additional 2 weeks before it's actually released. 2. If I wait 4 weeks, and Photon is in fact Q2, details about actually Spec's should be out by then and I can make a decision.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Yeah, I don't know if I can completely trust this site...but I think at the next mobile/wireless conference, there were rumors that the Photon 4G LTE would be announced...can't remember where I read that.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] slag02:
I don't have an upgrade til Nov. So I will just have to stick with the WiMax Photon Until then....
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Which will be good...by the time you upgrade, it'll be cheaper and probably a bunch of sweet ROMs would be out! :D
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
the sgs3 has has a leak showing its got the s4 as its chipset :/

i really, really hope its a quad core tegra 3+ or even something omap brings out. there are a bunch of videos showing the tegra 3 international one x beating the brakes off the dual core s4 based att one x (same everything except the cpu/gpu). no im not talking about benchmarks only it just moves at what seems like half the pace in the menus and stuff :/
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
You may be onto something, I read somewhere that Tegra is working on a Quad-Core for America LTE as we speak? But I have a question, but Ill start different thread!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] booyakasha:
I really doubt it will be announced at CTIA, maybe plans for it but I doubt you will see specs. Let me go grab it and run some benchmark stuff on it...I'll post back here in a little bit

S4 MSM8960 (same as One X AT&T and Evo LTE, I think) @ 1.5 with an Adreno 225. Kinda like I figured, its in line with the One...we'll see about the SGSIII tomorrow.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
the verizon one is confirmed to have s4's so i imagine all of them will. thanks for confirming all the sprint high end phones this year will have the same damn cpu and prolly gpu...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400411,00.asp

For those interested in this processor.. You can read more @ the above link..

In the end, I kinda expected a better processor for this phone than the evo... But honestly I robably wouldn't be able to tell the difference otherwise... Lol..

Bummed out to hear that they have 2.5 ghz in the family where this phone will sit at 1.5...Oh well... :p
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Pretty unimpressed with that SGS3... looking forward to our next photon. :D
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] frozndevl:
Same here, though I don't know if I can hold out for the photon since the new Evo has the kickstand.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hirent:
+1.

Specs are on par for 2012, but I felt underwhelmed by the design.

I like the eVOLTe and the changes that Sprint made to the One X.

For once, I am happy with carrier meddling. The eVOLTe has everything that a true EVO successor should have.

Hope Motorola does the same.

At the very least, the Photon successor has to have the current Photon features with a 4.7", 720p screen & LTE.

Currently, the eVOLTe is at the top of my list. I fervently hope that a 'MoPho II' supplants it.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] frozndevl:
Give me a Photon 2 that keeps the screen this size and I will be happy. No phablet for these hands.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
One thing that I kinda like is the Flip case accessory for the SGS3...it'd be a clean way to protect the screen. If they were to do something similar for the photon, it'd be nice to include a pen...

Check it out HERE
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] ghodzilla5150:
Me too. After all the hype the SGSIIs is unimpressive. My choices now are:

HTC EVO LTE

Photon 2

Blackberry (with BB10)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] photonlover:
omg i can't wait for photon 2 the mopho is the most stable, durable phone I've ever had!!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sirscrubsalot:
So does anyone have a newer/updated link(s) to the latest presumed specs?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] lroy:
BB10 is very interesting and raises an eyebrow for me. I hope they are able to get back in the game between Android and iOS. Loved my BB until Android stole my heart. I'm very focused on hardware when it comes to phones. BB always held up well for me, and as touch screens rose up I was nervous to try but the experience has been great. I'm on the photon bc 1. its hardware rocks (GSM/cdma) and 2.I've always seen how well motos hold up to abuse and have always wanted one. For me, I really hope moto and sprint think about the users, make sure its durable (shock protection and moisture protection) good battery, and world phone. If they don't... well they def dropped the ball... again. For processors, I'll clock down to 1GHz if its over that and save batt. 1.0 is plenty powerful enough for a phone. Screen, i don't care about resolution as much as I care about seeing it in the sunlight. I just want the damn thing to fit in my pocket and not make me look silly at the bar!

I still wish they would put a speaker on the front and not just the back, I use speaker phone a lot and then reply to texts, email and such while on the phone. Just annoying sometimes that I have to turn it all the way up to deflect the sound off my hand to hear the rear speaker. I know the atrix had it, but not sure how well it worked... for security it would be interesting to bring back finger print scanner. For a work phone with files and contacts, it would be comforting to have encryption (ics) and require finger print to unlock. Beats me, but it won't be long till these phones are classified as "super machines" instead of smartphones. Def looking forward
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
I watch the press release of the Sumsung Galaxy S III yesterday twice. That phone is HOTT!!! Originally I was going to jump ship to the EVO (I loved my original one!), this thread made me think twice, looking at the specs on the SIII.........and they have an answer to Siri too!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] frozndevl:
No, the answer to Siri actually existed before the question, it is called Voice Actions and we all can use it now.

http://gizmodo.com/5888973/siri-vs-android-voice-actions
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
well im glad someone is excited about the sgs3, cuz everyone else is just laughing

shoulda called it the SGS2s woulda saved them a bunch of money...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dsims7_2000:
So far, Voice Actions Plus is worth every bit of the $2.99! BUT, from what I have seen, SGSIII has eye recongnition so as soon as you look at it, it will turn on and you just speak. I'm having fun with Photon though. Everyone in the office thinks I'm a retard, but having fun. Also makes texting mad fun and fast.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] rexxxgg:
don't know about you guys but it would be cool if the next photon had playstation support.

http://http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2012/04/26/sony_looking_to_expand_playstation_brand_to_more_mobiles

a guy can dream right
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
Moto electrify2!? On us cellular... I could hope.... Really looking into this next mopho.... Well if there is a us cellular version... Now to come up with the money.... Although I really want ice cream sandwich on my electrify I have now... But I have 2.3.5:-( locked bootloader and all
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] lroy:
i just thought of a new one, but it would be impossible (a man can dream right?)

A screen that does not show any fingerprints! add waterproof and shockproof and they can charge me a grand for it and ill still buy it ha ha
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Someday... MIT nerds recently developed glass that is self cleaning. Water repellent and dust proof... Forgot the link but... The glass has etched cones that helps. Read more about it.. Probably a few years away from mass production.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] lroy:
oh wow, maybe my dreams will come true!

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/glare-dust-and-fog-free-glass-0426.html
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
That is sweet. Fingerprints on glass drives me crazy when screen is off
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hirent:
SG4GRU has posted an approved SS from a trusted source about a forthcoming smartphone, codenamed NDA 105.

Check it out here.

Could be our Photon sequel or the GS3.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hellot1M:
Check out the day of glass videos on YouTube. They talk about that glass being fingerprint proof. The videos were made by the makers of gorilla glass.

Search: A day of glass

The second one is my favorite

Sent from my Photon Q using ultramegaextremeXDA
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] tk161900:
It's seems like the perfect phone. But you know they won't have an unlocked bootloader which is enough for me to not buy it. Unfortunately.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Draiko:
Also look at a ceramic called Magnesium Aluminate (or Transparent spinel). That is probably what I'd use on mobile devices.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hirent:
Engadget just came out with their review of the 'eVOLTe'.

The camera shots are amazing and the button is a two-stage key....wow!

A small excerpt:

"When it comes to imaging on superphones, it's fair to say that HTC's raised the bar with the camera on the One X and One S by combining a wide aperture f/2.0 autofocus lens and backside illuminated 8 megapixel sensor with an ultra-quick and intuitive UI. Not only does the HTC EVO 4G LTE feature the same fantastic shooter as its cousins (LED flash and all), it sweetens the deal by adding the one bit of hardware we really wanted -- a dedicated two-stage shutter key. This camera button feels absolutely phenomenal -- with just the right amount of resistance and tactile feedback. Another improvement is the recessed optics which are protected from both accidental scratches and fingerprints."

The only thing missing (for me) is a SIM card with world capabilities.

Its gonna be real hard for me to say no to the 'eVOLTe'; Moto had better step up their game!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Kind of a bummer that Motorola/sprint didn't mention anything about the photon at CTIA...however would be incredible if they used this technology on the upcoming phone's screen.. http://tinyurl.com/7ssrxgs - imagine smearless screens...sweet...;)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] LexLuger82:
This
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] booyakasha:
I was fairly certain they were not going to say anything. It's just not to that stage yet. Also, there's a lot of uncertainty revolving around the Google deal and what it means for current Moto engineers/employees, people are essentially in a holding pattern. Only time will tell, I guess. Whatever comes from it, though, can only help IMO. I've had my Photon since late June/July (give or take a couple iPhones and an NS4G) and I still don't really have that itch to move to something else (sans those 720p screens). For me, that speaks wonders to the quality of this device. I, just like everyone else here, am eager to see the final product roll out of Libertyville.

I'll keep leaking stuff against my better judgement as I hear...I like building some suspense though so I may withhold a little :p
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
i am very excited about the photon replacement. hope us cellular gets a rebadged version Lee the photon/electrify deal.. . id gladly trade up if i had the money whether q is for quad core or q qwerty..... i still miss my qwerty keyboards all the time even though i've been without it for months now
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] R2DeeTard:
shutupandtakemymoney
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] bitbang3r:
12 months ago, pre-Photon, I would have been really excited about this phone. No, wait... that's not quite strong enough. I would have probably camped out on the sidewalk to buy one the day it came out.

Now, it blows my mind that anybody (least of all, anyone from THIS site) could seriously even *contemplate* buying another Motorola phone with a locked bootloader.

I don't care if Larry & Sergey themselves climb a mountain, then come down bearing a pair of tablet-like Photon Q LTE phones apiece and declare them to be a joint gift from God, Xenu, and Lady Gaga.

I don't care if it has a 1920x1200 display, a plutonium-powered RTG that gives it 85 years of battery life, or can magically form a Lexmark buckling-spring keyboard from graphene building blocks stored in a hidden compartment near the bottom. I don't care if it has real gamepads, zigbee, and exposes I2C & SPI to userspace apps via the headphone jack. I don't even care if it has real hardkeys. If the bootloader is locked, I will not buy another Motorola phone. Ever.

I can honestly say that the Photon is the phone that taught me that quality hardware isn't everything, and even the best engineering and polished design can be ruined by mediocre software, and poisoned by heavy-handed coercion.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KTT16:
Wait..lemme get this straight..you're not going to buy another Motorola device because of the locked bootloader? :D

Anyway..I'll stay optimistic about it even though sprint an moto realize we are probably close to .1% of the sprint community that cares about such things..
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
that sounds like a dang good device locked bootloader or not sign me up.... especially if when u get that plutonium powered device to 88 mph u go back in time. .. or forward. .. lol
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] stuartagray:
Bootloader

Yuppers. Looks good but I made the move from my HTC Evo to the Motorola Photon.

Some days I think of taking my EVO back from my son and giving him my Photon.

The bootloader lock is some real Motorola suckage.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] bitbang3r:
It's funny you mention that. I'm reflashing my old Epic4G to CM9 as I type this, and there's a good chance I'm going to reactivate it and throw my Photon in a drawer as a constructive alternative to going outside and angrily smashing it to bits with a large rock. (if it's not obvious, I made the mistake of letting them push 2.3.5 to my phone before finding out that it disables all known methods for unlocking the bootloader, so my MoPho is now MoFsck'ed and ruined).
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
new rumors lead to us cellular's next electrify will not be based on photon replacement but a rebadged droid razr.. hopefully its the maxx version our I'm not upgrading.. ....... unless I'm sure it has unlocked bootloader
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Grep_The_Truth:
This is good news indeed. I have enjoyed the Photon and I would certainly consider the next version. It would have to have some solid improvements. If it had the new Tegra4 (Codename "Wayne") for example...

I suppose it depends on what HTC is pushing out at that point.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hirent:
Come on, stock ROM is not that bad.

And there's always the hope that official ICS could be released to the Photon.

In fact, the Photon and the Atrix have been moved to 'Development' from 'Evaluation & Planning'. If it stays on target, both of them are scheduled to have ICS in Q3 2012; just a few months away.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] carrilloevo:
Not any more they move the ics for Q4, that sucks
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
come on. i want my ics..... but can't even flash cm9:(
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
fixed that for ya.

seriously i know they promised to start unlocking devices, but the sad story is they havent yet... ergo if you buy a moto product and are "surprised" that it has a locked bootloader then man oh man have i got some cool stuff to sell you... the only reason the photon had an unlockable bootloader at all is due to pudding (which if memory serves me right was a leaked bootloader for the atrix...).

i honestly love hearing people complain about moto devices ignorantly on irc saying that THEY would never be stupid enough to buy a locked bootloader device!!! thats why they are buying the evo lte... people need to step back and realize that htc still locks em, and for most of the time provides em through use of their tool the ability to sorta flash stuff (i say sorta because apparently recent version have stopped allowing use of custom kernels and now you can flash roms and root....).

if you truly want an unlocked bootloader id suggestvoting with your dollars, go buy a gsm nexus device (cdma radios arent openly available and teh sprint galaxy nexus isnt in aosp due to samsung)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] peetr_:
One correction. I thought it's Atrix bootloader too. But I searched that bootloader line by line with hexeditor and I was surprised, when I found the word "sunfire" there. So it must be some leak, right for our Phone.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] moparfreak426:
i weeks for every carrier to be gsm and then unlike nexii would be everywhere but Motorola had Beyer signal( i need) and Verizon i roam off of works everywhere! and that's cdma. no where close does a gsm phone from any carrier work
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Crwolv:
Heck our photon isnt getting ics till quarter 4 now:::::( glad im in the kitchen sink lol

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My son has the MAXX and its a 3100 Mah lol. i wouldn't want that though,i would just buy another Hyperion 3500 Mah ,it was only 12$ lmao

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Also a birdie told me we(photon owners) may get the same type of software upgrading my son is getting on his Rezr Maxx our ship-set to LTE! I dont know how thats possible but someone from Motorola told me(no names sorry)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] cornelious2:
someone told me our photons are getting a software update to add a hardware keyboard. can't tell you who though...

Sent from my mopho
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] magui43212:
Ya, my SD card ran out of space so I downloaded a new one. Works great!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sjamie:
That was a good one... hilarious!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] rbeavers:
There was talk that Sprint would/could run LTE over the Wimax Freqs. So some kind of over the air upgrade to your phones might make it work?

But I'm not holding my breath.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
there was talk of it, and it in theory would be possible. but its not going to happen.

sprints lte is on 1900mhz and will have speeds comparable to wimax
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] giantsali:
I have to agree here. As a noob, I thought unlocking the bootloader would be difficult. Come to find out its pretty simple. Took over 15 minutes as well.

The real issue here is blocking of the US carrier bands. This way we wont need to flash a new radio to the device.

Unless the phone ends up being cdma lte only (with no gsm capability). If thats the case, I might pass.

Lets hope this becomes another world phone, this time, with the gsm us bands working (without the need to flash)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] LexLuger82:
Hope?