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[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I'm a T-Mobile customer. I've never worked for T-Mobile. If my view happens to disturb you, I can't make apologies for that.

I use a custom ROM too, EnergyROM. (You should try it sometime.) And I'm sure all yours had the WiFi issue with it turning on randomly till the patch HTC released. (That alone is reason enough to hold off a release, IMHO.) You don't use WiFi calling, so you can't speak for it. I feel T-Mobile is doing right to ensure that and any other known issues are resolved prior to release.

I do have a healthy background in software engineering. And some years ago I did work for a competitor of T-Mobile. So I'm not at all surprised that known bugs are taking time to resolve. This is also why I don't buy into unfounded theories that offer no factual evidence to support claims. This will be the end of me offering details for anyone regarding my background.

Now that you've asked me, how about you sharing some of your background in the field of software engineering and telecommunications?
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
How is anyone with T-Mobile "dropping the ball"? T-Mobile never promised you any date at all, HTC did. But you say nothing of the folks who promised you a date and failed to deliver a quality product in their expressed timeframe.
[HTC Sensation] computerslayer:
This bears repeating, so I am. T-Mobile hasn't earned the ire it is getting here.
[HTC Sensation] SinisterModz:
I didn't ask about Cincinnati Bell, and why would I even care about it?

Sounds like you were waiting to unload all that info to make yourself look good/well informed. Now let me copy and paste some usless facts from wiki for you to read. Hmmm.....what should I copy....
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
I have over 16 years, professionally, in software engineering and architecture in the industrial defense complex and commercial sector. Over 30 years of writing and hacking software (got started when I was 10). Nothing in Telecom.
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
You didn't, someone else did.
[HTC Sensation] wildcontigo:
Not many things disturb me much less someone's opinion since everyone is entitled to one. I never asked for any kind of apology either since I there is nothing to apologize for. All I did is try to satisfy my own and selfish curiosity because your pro Tmous' posts called my attention, that is all. Again, no disrespect intended.

I didn't speak about wifi calling since I already had said that I do not use it, the wifi on bug wasn't generalized and I didn't have it. Honestly what can be so differently with tmous' ics? And yes, I'm also a tmobile customer who happens to like his plan and price, yet, when you see or hear that so many sensys are getting the update but yours isn't (not that I care since I already run it) because it is tmobile then customers like us wonder about it. I say like us beacuse I know my wife cannot care less about froyos or gingerbreads or cyanogenmods.

Yeah customers wonder who dropped the bal;l or if it is done on purpose. After all silence is very reassuring.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Repeat:
[HTC Sensation] wildcontigo:
There were 2 posts: 1 by me and one by someone else who did ask you about your background in software engineering. I asked if you had any association with t-mobile based on your posts that just made me curious. An yo answer your question, no I do not have any experience in software engineering beyond rooting phones and flashing roms/kernels, and tweaking my computer a little. Still, I'm a t-mobile customer who wonders about the official ICS release, theorizes about the reasons for delay and takes with a grain of salt baseless statements pro or against. I can't assert that tmobile dropped the ball or delayed the update on purpose the same as I can not assert they didn't. I do not have evidence either way.

So, how does your background in software engineering or not answers conclusively the reasons behind T-mobile's delay? Intended or not? Technical or marketing? good or evil? for the good of the company or the good of the customers, or both?, etc. Just wondering. Sorry for asking again.
[HTC Sensation] sshede:
This does not matter people. All that matters is that those who are too scared to root don't have an OTA yet (surprise!) and those who rooted a while ago are happily testing new and better roms every day. It's a done deal.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Ok I know I will probably get hammered hear for this as it is a reference to the iPhoney. :eek:

Now let us take a look at something here. When the iPhone 4S came out it was marketed to be a major improvement on the last iPhone 4. But the truth is that the only substantial update was that the iPhone 4S has Siri. Which really is only a app on the device that is a user interface for iOS users to use Apple servers to do most of the major tasks that users request of it. Not a amazing computing feat of the actual device as Apple wants people to believe.

Back to my point, when the fact that Siri is just a app was realized by developers. The work to port Siri to older iPhones got started. It did not take long for a successful port was achieved. But Apple almost immediately set their servers to deny any Siri request by a iPhone that was not a iPhone 4S. Now yes the port is now working but that is because devs created thier own proxy servers for Siri on iPhone 4 iPhone 3 and 3G devices to use instead of Apple's servers.

This was a blatant effort by Apply to force consumers to by a new device to get this new feature of a device. So what in the name of all that is sane makes you think that another company or a cooperative between two companies would not do something of the same sorts.

No I do not have proof that the TMOUS official ICS OTA is not being pushed to further sales of potential sales of another device. But to be honest I do not see any proof to the the contrary. All I have seen has been finger pointing by T-Mobile. Plus we all are here on XDA and know about the numerous ICS based and AOSP ROMs available in GPS Sensation Android Development forum. And most everything is working on the majority of them, not to mention so many other carriers around the world have released the update already. And don't give me that tired story about T-Mobile using a differnt radio. If that was so none of us TMOUS users would be able to use the ICS that is out already, I am not that niave.

I am not upset about waiting for the official TMOUS ICS update. But the current state of this conversation is just so not logical to me.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
You still never told me about whether you have any telecommunications associations :) .

My background lets me know how this process works. After you've worked in the industry long enough, it really does not matter what the "shop" handles, the processes are similar in nature. Because Software Engineering is software engineering no matter where you go. Different methods are used at different places, but they all have their similarities. I've worked with the models used at corporations from the years of Waterfall on through to newer techniques such as Agile. But the fact is when you've been in the business, especially when it involves engagements were 2 companies must work together, you know the process takes time. With Software Engineering, rushing the process always results in a lower quality product. This is why we see those who already got an ICS update having to get a patch right away from HTC later, it was a flawed release. (Sad thing is, I very strongly feel that HTC KNEW it was flawed, but let it out the door anyway. Such bugs don't just walk out the door unnoticed.)

Understand, T-Mobile USA "marketing" already left the Sensation for DEAD. It's EOL with T-Mobile USA. So they're not even thinking about Sensations any more.

T-Mobile simply wants a quality release since this could be the last they produce. They want the customers to stay happy and keep paying those monthly contract payments. T-Mobile does not gain from holding out.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Take this one with a grain of salt, but this is from the T-Mobile forum, by a poster using the handle "htcjohn".

Notice who is pushing the One S. Told ya...
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
Grain of salt for sure. It's either legit, or it's some random troll... Who knows, and who cares? I'm interested to see if any firmware changes have been implimented in the TMOUS update, but beyond that it's just a patient waiting game...
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
Hui

Neither htc, nor t-mobile are in the same realm of evil-moneygrubbing, that Apple is so proudly in. I don't see how ics on sensation would make that big of difference to One sales. I just saw a Htc One commercial, and there was not a mention of ICS, or android 4.0. It was for the t-mobile one s too. If they are going through all this trouble of delaying ics for sensation, you would at least think they would advertise the heck out of the One S having ICS. But that's just my logical side talking. My conspiracy side says, who cares, It's a software update a month late, it's not the cure for cancer.

BTW: I have a skypad alpha 2, and it just got ics yesterday. It was supposed to have it by the end of March. They had no new devices coming out. What do you suppose their reason for being a month late was?
[HTC Sensation] wildcontigo:
No telecommunications association whatsoever. I'm in education.

Still, I'm not making any assertions when in fact what I'm selling is doubt.

So I give up. I still can't see an answer in your background that supports the certainty behind the reasons for the delay.

Yes, original international ics has bugs known or unknown at the time of release, but these are all presumptions.

One thing though, I do not believe in corporate kindness of the heart. The one s is not much of an upgrade and sensys can and do compete with it thanks to the development community. That is motive but I cannot state that as a fact, only as a presumption again.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Yes Apple is bigger than HTC or T-Mobile, but at the end of the day all companies are out for one thing profits. Also ICS is not just a app like Siri was but it is a major OS update for Android. Can you still not see how this could be important?

Well I bet if you go into a T-Mobile store tomorrow the first thing a sales associate will say about the HTC One S is that it is the newest device they have and it is the only one they have that is running Android 4.0.3 Android Ice Cream Sandwich. Yeah that is right the One S goe on sale tomorrow, we will probably start seeing way more detailed TV, magazine and online adds for it starting tomorrow. Any way I decided to to just check t-mobile.com. In two clicks (Fast 4G Smartphones/Learn More) from the home page I find the HTC One S presented along side the HTC Amaze, Samsung Galaxy S II, and the Samsung Galaxy Blaze 4G. One more click you are presented with a page to register to be notified when the device is avaliable, which again is tomorrow.

No this is not your logical side, that is you just trying to ascent your point. And yes it is not the cure for cancer. But then again I never said it was, where did that come from?

Um yes they do, actually have two new product, the Argos and the Protos.

Now I just made you read by colors, see how easy that was. Ha I should be in marketing.

Oh yeah one last thing, the HTC One S has no removable battery, no SD card slot, and the hardware on it is closed source. Hmmm does this remind you of another device, I don't know, the iPhone maybe?

Edit: It is awful funny that the below post at the T-Mobile forums shows up today and the One S is being released tomorrow.

Edit#2:

You know I got to thinking about this statement. If you upgrade your device with T-Mobile US, T-Mobile makes you sign a nee two year contract. So that even secures those monthly payments coming in even more. Now of course if you out right by te device for full price you do not have to sign a new contract. But let's be real here, not may people are going to out rift purchase a device now days. We all rely on the discounted prices of devices we get for signing a new contract.
[HTC Sensation] computerslayer:
Yes, clearly everyone who is waiting for an update is too scared to root and simply peruses these forums to gaze in awe of the happy elite here on XDA. :rolleyes:

Thanks for your helpful contribution to this thread, it sure cleared everything up!
[HTC Sensation] melo563:
a sensational phone

it sounds good that it would be a marketing ploy it makes sense pun intended that it would be a marketing ploy it probably is a marketing ploy but at the same time it makes sense did it again haha that since tmo is one of the last companies to get the update that they would have known about the flaws in the update and sent it back for fine tuning just think if you had a new phone being released and you have been losing money and will probably lose some more customers and someone tried to hand you a product that wasn't up to par with what you already have like gingerbread wouldn't you want to send it back and get a better quality than all the rest tmo is the fourth largest us company why would they want an update with the same problems as the twentieth in Europe or the tenth in Canada or what ever it makes sense to send it back and get better quality to help your customer satisfaction in the end and it is going to help with the new phone coming out so push this back and get better quality and push this new phone to the front for a while and get your cake and eat that sensational cake with some ice cream sandwiches maybe:rolleyes::rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I can say I know a whole lot of people in the Education field. From grade school up through college professors. And sometimes they're explaining things to me they all agree on, that I can't see make sense, even from their background. Until I in some cases get to experience what they're saying, and at times I do. So, once you're in my field, we'll better understand each other :) . Once you've worked in engagements where you're with one company working with a different company of developers and trying to produce a final product. I can say, it's not pretty, but at times it actually works. Notice we in the field are in agreement. Not that we could help you see our point, but we know our field. I'll end with you at this point now.

Yea, someone seeing all the press about an upcoming Sensation ICS update, is going to go and say "well I'll go pay more for ICS" :rolleyes: . Only someone who actually believes your theories would do that. Which would mean you and others putting out bogus thories would have been the ones to cost people money. Because T-Mobile is not the one telling Sensation owners to pay for ICS, they're saying hold tight, it's coming. With T-Mobile the Sensation had the benefit of selling well, so it gets service despite being EOL. T-Mobile is working to keep us happy with a Sensation. Someone changing devices could end with that person changing to a different carrier in the process. Especially since we know that AT&T has the better of the One series at this point in time. And if someone's already willing to pay more, AT&T would not be such a hard leap for them.

The "One" series uses a totally different version of HTC Sense. So it makes no sense that these bogus theories be spun.

T-Macgnolia, I know you like to go back and forth forever. So you know my usual tact with you :p . I'm not going to keep a back and forth going with you over this latest piece of smoke that you've come up with. I'm done with you on the topic.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
They (htcjohn) have responded to someone who asked "who are you" with the following response:
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Hey, given the Amaze ROM has leaked with working WiFi calling, they could be right!
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
I looked at that thread. This htcjohn had made only 3 posts since he joined the T-Mobile support forums which was yesterday! Either he is a new HTC employee, been an HTC evoke m employee but only now getting onto that forum or is full of it. My bet is on the last.
[HTC Sensation] Zylograth:
I got tired of waiting and have once again flashed the 3.32 firmware, upgraded my recovery, and flashed an ICS ROM, this time I am testing Elegancia, which has been quite nice. Very smooth and battery life has been amazing. Off the charger for 5 hours now and only down 1%.

I did this once before about a month ago but tested ARHD, which was also very nice. I had no complaints on it but eventually went back to stock because I do prefer to run the stock firmware on my device if possible.

I will continue to try out custom ROMs until the official release from TMO comes out and then I will revert to stock and try it out.

Will have some nice new ICS on my tablet this Friday according to Acer :)
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
lol

http://support.t-mobile.com/message/130089#130089
[HTC Sensation] SinisterModz:
?, that has been posted a few times...did I miss something?
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
As I called it :)
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
Yes apparently you did.

"Both T-Mobile and the HTC employees who are working with T-Mobile on the update do not know who htcjohn is.

Additionally, the details htcjohn gives are inaccurate for the update and reasons for it not ,,being complete in Q1.

For the latest news from HTC, please refer to the link darnell posted above: http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/"

from T-Mobile support forum moderator, "tmo_mikem"
[HTC Sensation] SinisterModz:
Now all I want to know is who lost sleep over all this?
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
Not I... Getting ready to flash latest ARHD. Try it out for awhile then flash more. :)
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
So since I don't have any cookies, I give you a "Thanks" so you can feel special :D :) .

Good catch. I usually fly by here before reading there. So I'm glad this was cleared up before I'd have to post it here myself.

I figured if he was really with HTC, he'd be able to get it posted on their blog and I was not accepting any excuses.

And I noted to myself Behold_this, that either him or you had to be full of it, because your stories were not in sync :) .

Nobody. But hey, rumors are fun, when CORRECT ;) .
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
I will post this post Darnell and as you said I will be done with you. But to be honest I am in no way interested in having a back and forth with you about a software update being delayed. I would though love to have a back and forth with you about your blinder ed vision of the world and of the all enveloping grip that money has on the world . But this is not the forum for that, but if you are open to PM's please let me know.

Also to set things straight I never posted here to try to convince anyone that the HTC One S is the only single reason the official T-Mobile ICS OTA has not been pushed. The true reason I posted here was to try to say that the idea that the HTC One S being part of the reason it has not been pushed is not total fallacious.

As far as people like me costing T-Mobile money, I say I hope so. I hope people with the same mind set as me becomes the norm and we cause a actual global revolution and awakening of humanity. You see I care about my family friends and humanity.

No one every said one time in this thread that T-Mobile was trying to are going to charge HTC Sensation users for the official ICS update but you. But you have been taught by the monetary monster to only think of profit, so that is not surprising.

Why are you flip flopping Darnell? I remember when we had discussions in the T-Mobile forums. You would talk about how the carriers could give a crap about a current customer. And how the carriers are only concerned about getting you to sign a contract to lock you in.

Some one with half a brain not having a problem with signing up with AT&T? You was joking right?

Yes the One S has HTC Sense 4.0, a version of HTC Sense that is reported to have major improvements and has been proven to run just fine on the Sensation. And the official ICS update has HTC Sense 3.6, a version that is still very heavy and cause some sluggishness with the Sensation. Can you still not see how this could make your normal consumer make a choice to buy a new device to get a new OS and a new version of HTC Sense?

In closing I want to present you with a thought. America is the largest consumer country in the world. T-Mobile is one of the four big cellular providers in America. Is it really truly inconceivable that HTC would ask T-Mobile to delay the push of the OTA so they can try to sell more of one of their newest devices. I mean HTC has revenue tied up in the One line of devices. So top on HTC

's list is to recoup as much revenue. The push for profit on the device may be a little later. But the motive is there. I mean lets be realistic here.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
HTC amaze already received the ics update so its only a matter of time before sensation gets it. Maybe this end of this month or beginning of next. Cause I don't think amaze and sensation are that much different.
[HTC Sensation] SinisterModz:
Official or leaked?

sent from my Sony walkman cassette deck.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
For us, does it really matter :D :p ?

So long as we get something that has everything working 100%, we're in good shape here. We know the official release would come not long afterward.

Although I don't care if someone desires to remain stock. I really see no point in them being here on XDA if they're going to stay stock.
[HTC Sensation] Zylograth:
The most annoying part for me is seeing all the threads confirming the update for other countries and yet here is the US we are stuck waiting.

But with all the good custom ROMs on XDA if you really want to have ICS then just do it. It is not that difficult.
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
At the moment I'm quite happy with ARHD with faux kernel. No issues, smoother, faster and more free working memory.
[HTC Sensation] Sinistra425:
I would have to agree. ARHD is a great Rom I could care less if T-Mobile releases the update just tired of hearing people complain about it on the tmo forums
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
That's why I check on xda first! I'd like to see the official release and when that happens I'll pay attention to here again to see what people are saying and how it compares to many of the custom ROMs
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
I am waiting on the OTA because I want to have something to compare the customer ICS ROMs to. Also this way I do not have to flash back to complete stock to try out the official OTA, and I will have a copy of the official OTA from the update servers not one I had to download from a external source and has a small chance of being broken.
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
Fair point. Even with a custom ROM you will still get the notice the official release is available as an OTA. Then you could just tell it to download only, that's what I did from the last OTA update. At least, I'm pretty sure you would still get the notice on a custom ROM... anyone know for certain?
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Can't say I've ever known a guy like football to ever post a bad OTA when he posts any official OTA from T-Mobile. MD5 checksum can ensure a good copy is downloaded.

AFAIK, most custom ROMs don't include the OTA checker. Kind of pointless. Only the ASOP ones do.

As was already said, flashing back to stock is no harder than going S-OFF.

With OTA's so far, people running the stock ROM with S-OFF and root have been able to mask that they have root and get the OTA to install. Those were just GB updates though.

I personally would not see any gain in hanging out here looking at people enjoying all the fruits of S-OFF and not doing it. To be on a Dev forum, and not partaking in helping those Devs via testing out their wares would be no fun for me.