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[Windows Phone 7 General] Deleted member 2842059:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5903416/current-windows-phones-may-not-be-getting-upgraded-after-all

So. No. I'll have to change my thread title. Ah. Rumors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] oldpueblo:
Yeah there are already two versions of Tango in the pipeline, the one going on the 256MB devices and the one that's a refresh for Mango. So why not two Apollo's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.

That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jerome snail:
Apple design his own hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.

Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.

MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!

But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
& in his definition of fragmentation, Apple is too. There will always be fragmentation when you add new features/enhance/mature an OS. The problem with fragmentation that MS was talking about is that what you can do on an Android is wholly dependent on the device you have. My ex-roommates have non top of the line Androids & they are total garbage. You have no flash support, no hotspot support, it lags to all hell (ui takes seconds to respond to touch input)/etc. All WP7's look the same & perform almost the same. This is the kind of fragmentation MS was talking about. How a Top tier Android could have all these cool features & be fast & smooth while low end devices are garbage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
No.

Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.

However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.

If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.

However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Indeed, 5 phones, but second generation got 3 years of support. That's remarkable, lets admit. I dont like iPhone, but I envy how Apple just go, release their updates without carriers crying around, at the same time to everyone. Lets give them some credit here.

And fragmentation is fragmentation. I never doubt my 3 months old iPhone wouldnt be updated. My Lumia, otherwise.. This silence of MS is making me anxious.

Just think, why MS would keep in secret something like "the second generation will be updated"?! Makes no sense. It's not marketing strategy, it's worse for them with all those rumors.

And everytime someone ask one of the team, they avoid the direct answer.

I had a HTC Trophy, and 3 months ago bought a Lumia 800. I regret that for now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Sorry that a link to a picture of something resembling a phone screen with Chinese characters and a bunch of speculation in English text underneath.

People throw fragmentation all over the Android world, yet turn blind eye to things like Bing non-support in markets where MSFT launched their product, etc.

Simply put, there are too many excuses surrounding this platform, and MSFT seem to play that card pretty well with 90% satisfaction rate as the one of few statistics thrown around.

http://andrewtechhelp.com/andrews-t...feature-availability-matrix-the-mango-edition
[Windows Phone 7 General] stepthehen:
We heard this about the HTC HD2 and moving to Windows 7.

Safety Notice:

DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH

But still, even if 8 isn't officially released, you can put money on a port. Gotta love XDA.

EDITED: NOT HAPPENING.
[Windows Phone 7 General] narta:
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
[Windows Phone 7 General] oldpueblo:
Goodbye!

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888

Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.

But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
I think it's wrong that MSFT is allowing such harmful speculation as to the support of previous generation devices. Their silence is allowing people to get in a tizzy over what could be absolutely nothing. I met someone last month at a dinner party who works at MSFT and said that Apollo runs beautifully on the Lumia 900.

I find flaw with the article you linked when it said...

"Second, the experience would be terrible; Windows Phone 8 is based on Windows 8, not Windows Phone 7.x, and requires headier, higher-end hardware with two or more core processors."

This is in direct opposition to the entire purpose of the Tango release to allow for lower-end hardware. Why would MSFT make an effort to allow for more affordable devices if the WP8 platform won't work on them in the future? This means that lower-end devices will never exist on WP8 until dual core becomes cheap.

Rather, what I think this article gets wrong is that WP8 does not require dual core, but allows for it to exist in the first place.

WP7 has a high floor and a low ceiling. Tango lowered the floor and Apollo will be raising the ceiling. Whether we'll get the update is up in the air, but I'm personally anticipating it to happen.

MSFT does need to stop being so secretive though. It's hard to build and keep a fanbase under the current business model.
[Windows Phone 7 General] oldpueblo:
It's always possible he's as fed up with the rest of us about the back and forth, and he's proving a point. We'll see. :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] MyRho:
Sorry - I've got a brand new LUMIA now and if they won't give me the update to WP8 I will never buy a WP-Phone again and an IPhone instead... :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
My 1989 toyota doesn't have the update that parrellel parks.... Toyota sucks !

Crickets crickets crickets.
[Windows Phone 7 General] oldpueblo:
But that's worse than a Lumia 900 without an Apollo update. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] narta:
Just because you are satisfied with MSFT table scraps does not equal that all of us are going to kiss their asses for giving us sub par software support
[Windows Phone 7 General] jerome snail:
First, where did he say that?

Then, WP8 will be released at the ****ING END OF THE YEAR, how would you know Microsoft gives you subpar software support??
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Relax dude. This is a geek website. The vast majority of WP7.5 users are not going to care about a software update. The OS works pretty well for most people's needs. The software suite that comes with the Lumia 900 covers 90+% of the average person's needs right out of the box.

Let me put it this way. My girlfriend said she wanted a new computer. I said okay let's do some research. Within a few days I was told casually on the phone she bought a new Macbook pro. That's it. Never used a modern Mac and just went out to the store, heard the sales pitch, and dropped more on a computer than I ever have in my lifetime.

A few weeks later Apple released new Macbook Pros. Girlfriend was clueless. I had to tell her to pack up the computer and go back to the Apple store for a free upgrade.

A few months later I purchased Lion for my hackintosh. I upgraded her laptop from SL at the same time. She didn't even know what Lion was. A few months after that after doing some research I found some RAM that was compatible with her laptop. I upgraded her from 4 GB to 8 GB for <$40. Apple would have charged her HUNDREDS. I showed her what I did and she shrugged and thanked me.

A few months after that I added boot camp and windows 7 plus Office so once she was done with facebook she could actually get some school work done. She really thanked me for that.

Look at Windows XP. Sure there are a ton of businesses that have legacy software and hardware and have no need to upgrade but there are also a ton of people like my parents who are perfectly happy if they can check email and do some word processing. They don't care about the improved media center functionality in Windows 7.

My dad hates smartphones. He just wants something he can call work or my mom on. He doesn't text. He doesn't really email. Considering he grew up in a house with NO PHONE he thinks a basic cell phone with a basic talk plan is amazing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
Personally, I think the analogy with desktop operating systems is not a good fit. Even Windows XP is a very mature operating system and the result of many years of improvements.

Windows Phone is still relatively new. It has only had one significant update since release. Mango fixed a lot of issues - however, several rough edges still remain.

For example:

- If I forward an email, I cannot edit (clean up) the original email.

- I cannot directly open email attachments with unrecognized file extensions (even if they are text files).

Similarly, I'm sure everyone here could list a couple of niggles that affect the everyday usage of their phone.

My point is that updates do matter for a relatively new platform to iron out rough edges.

Whether or not WP8 comes to existing Windows Phones, I do think some kind of update would help generate loyalty amongst new Windows Phone purchasers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I definitely agree...since WP is a relatively new OS, working out the kinks and getting more support/functionality with WP8 or any update for the matter is what I care about.

I am not sure if this is a good example but even if the average WP consumer doesn't really know all too much about the phone updates, there are still the possible limitations that the user will have with their own phones. One thing that comes to mind with WP7.5 is the limitations in a business environment. On-device encryption is much needed for those folks who need it (myself included). I do know quite a bit of WP7 users ... (and again myself) that dislike the lack of enterprise functionality in the OS. -As we do not know much about WP8, I do feel that MS would want to provide full enterprise support in their next release to gain more attraction in the business sector.

It would be disappointing to buy a WP8 or (new phone altogether) just for that reason alone, when I could just receive an update for more functionality. Take it for granted I have a fairly new 2nd gen WP, so the upgrade route through the carrier would have to wait a year after WP8 is released.

Just my 2 cents...
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Thanks for the reply. I was not aware of those particular bugs/limitations in Windows Phone 7.5. Glad I read about it here before I started pulling my hair out trying to figure out what's wrong with my phone.

I can see bug fixes being done for a Windows Phone 7.5 and there still being a Windows Phone 8 that is not compatible with earlier phones. There is nothing preventing a two release model. The fragmentation that was mentioned earlier is an issue but as long as a new incompatible software release only comes out rarely its shouldn't be too bad. I am getting my Lumia for "free." If they provide just a bug fix update eight months from now and then nothing else after I'll be fine. My contract is two years. I can go a little over a year without an update before I get the latest and greatest.

But I do get your point about WP 7.5 vs XP. And I am assuming there will be some kind of bug fix update at a minimum. I will be kind of miffed if it doesn't happen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
to be fair, it was never officially said that the HD2 was getting the update, there was a picture on a MS website showing an HD2 as a WP7 device and there was some leaks stating the HD2 had WP7 running, which it did, but the information was actually regarding the test phone, and all these communications were pulled down when the error was pointed out to the company.

In short, the hype of HD2 and WP7 was nothing but a myth grown out of a few mistakes on a couple of websites, other sites jumped on the waggon, and its original sources became lost

WP7 will get WP8 updates where possible, its been said before. you will then have 3 levels of tech available to WP

The tango update brings low end support

The current Mango keeps mid range support

and the future Apollo gives us high end support.

it wont be 3 different OSs, it will be the same OS and where possible updates will be provided

The BIG question is whether or not your network will give you the updates, and that may well be MSs problem, its not in the interests of the networks to upgrade you, they want you to buy a new one soo....
[Windows Phone 7 General] 4ny0n3:
As far as I'm concerned, Windows Phone 8 WILL be a different OS, perhaps it will mostly look and act like WP7 but it's gonna be based on Windows 8 and it will have a different Kernel.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
you missed the point, forget what version it is and what its based on, there will be one WP OS across several levels of devices. If possible devices will be upgraded but all features wont be available, hardware dependant, and more importantly Network dependant.

To what level we get the updates is the question, but its unlikely MS would want to support too many different versions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/paul-thurrott-there-will-be-no-windows-phone-8-update
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
"Of course, as Thurrott explains, Windows Phone 8 Apollo might need more horsepower than legacy Windows Phone 7 devices, as in "two or more core processors".

This aspect of his argument is massively flawed. It's what we're discussing here, right now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yes I think so, but equally it's not for sure.

Essentially bigger features need more power, including bigger screen res, bigger video res etc. So it's not completely false to think that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ogracia:
Thurrot isn't working in Microsoft...and all that strong position on the no update seems like a great excuse to attract hits on his web... I found his opinion as informed as a piece of **** in the street...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
If Thurrot is wrong, then why MS have not denied him until now? Him and all the rumors. Certainly it's not doing good to WP and Lumia device's image.

And this is really not a plain from MS. What would they win hidding it? Or lose saying that X devices will get the update?

"Silence gives consent"
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I don't think MS knows themselves if WP8 will be available to older devices yet...otherwise they probably would've cleared up the confusion by now. Or they could be doing what Apple does all the time...wait till the very last minute to release information.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
this! Networks an OEMs don't want you to update, they are the biggest holdback on development on any platform
[Windows Phone 7 General] lovenokia:
joe belfiore in a tweet recently said that all windows phone will get wp8 he started to name off a few, Lumia 900, Lumia 800, Lumia 710 and Lumia 610.

Here is the source link: http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/21/wp8-for-wp7lumia-devices-rumour-round-up/
[Windows Phone 7 General] exiva:
Source?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lovenokia:
look above, i just put the source there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] exiva:
Thanks. Looking through the Facebook fan page, it's infact not Joe's page. http://www.facebook.com/Joe.Belfiore.WP/posts/268869699802999

"Henrik Hamann ‎:D you are not Joe belfiore?"

"Joe Belfiore no lol,...but i like this man and i was unhappy that he doesn't have a fan page thet he deserve"

Would've been nice, but it's just an impostor and as of now, false information.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Alvarado:
I've been reading a lot and everyone says that Bootloading the Photon 4G will break your 4G connection. I want to know if anything else has been done to get the connection back or the system was updated to not worry about.
[Motorola Photon 4G] w0lf215:
Unlocking it still kills 4g. You can relock later and have it working again
[Motorola Photon 4G] DennDennMagoo:
Yeah no dice yet. Hoping for something soon.
[Motorola Photon 4G] TheChronicDroid:
i wish so badly especially with the new kitchen sink project D: it would make it the GREATEST THING EVER and would be a good enough reason to buy this phone all over again!!
[General Questions and Answers] The3rdEye:
I need help fixing my kindle fire.:confused::confused:

First I rooted my kindel fire and than installed TWRP but no yellow triangle on startup so I ran kindle utility again to intall TWRP but it got stuck on the kindle fire logo. the utility read: do not unplug the device if we get stuck here but after waiting for a while it did nothing so i went ahead and unplugged it, restarted the tablet and it got stuck on the kindle fire logo. now i didn't know what to do so i just kept running KFU to install TWRP and somehow the tablet was able to boot into TWRP. then, i erased EVERYTHING using TWRP, put the amazon stock by mounting USB and tried to flash it but it failed so i restarted the tablet and now i just can't get into TWRP.

Is there anything I can do to fix the tablet?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] m.a.s.e:
long story short.

loved my prime.

got pre order from amazon.

ICS update

Prime constant reboots

didnt wait

sent to amazon for full refund

received refund bought prime from Office Depot

got prime

got ICS

working fine but no GPS and very bad WIFI

complained

got RMA

they replaced the WIFI card

shocking - no change still no GPS bad wifi

wrote to Gary a private MSG

he send me an email and CC trinity and Troy

they give me options:

1. RMA again.

2. Wait for future update.

3. Refund.

i choose refund.

after a full month and a half of emails

Sadly Trinity (which assigned to my case) is EXTREMELY busy and email support is EXTREMELY slow BUT they deliver....

once i found out their Queue direct line phone number and not the Generic 1800 one i called and each time i got Troy who took care of me and helped processed the RMA.

eventually after a month and a half of emails , 4 months total with the prime almost 70 emails and 4 phone calls i got the check today by mail.

full refund from asus.

conclusion.

very impressed with the turn around and the actual fact i got full refund for both the tablet and the dock.

lil upset with the time frame but i do understand i am one in a million that contact them.

so the bottom line is that i got the full refund and that made me feel good and earned ASUS my respect.

i intend to keep the $ aside for the 700 which is the (hopefully) bug/mistake free transformer prime....

just my 2 cents :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cameronsutor:
I have sent Gary a few private messages regarding the issues I have been having with the WiFi and GPS, but haven't gotten a response from him ... consider yourself lucky in that regard. I too was asking for a full refund, but with the new GPS dongle development, I may forgo that option and hold onto it in the hope they will also rectify the WiFi issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] m.a.s.e:
hope for u too...

i quickly learned that in order to get a response from them i need to send short, to the point emails with specific details....

no explanations etc. just facts 1, 2 ,3. that how i got the best response from them.... i also send my prime back extremely organized with ALL documentation highly detailed with proof of emails from trinity, a cover letter with the refind request ETC.

once i stopped sending Gary love notes and just gave him my email address, told him i bought the prime for GPS (which is true, that plus wifi) and requested refund then communicated with trinity in short to the point emails i got my money back....

:)waiting for 700 :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LNJ:
Why don't you guys return where you bought from?

You have enough time within the return period to test it out.

So now you guys are basically returning a used product that even the retailer wouldn't take back and want the manufacturer to refund you?

If I were Asus, I would tell you guys to go fly a kite!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] m.a.s.e:
well

obviously u didn't read...

Like I said, ill explain again for the slow learners.

I did sent back the original back to Amazon, bought the prime again. Tested and when it didn't work sent it back to asus for rma (replace the wifi and gps) which didn't help but took long enough for the return period to pass.

Discussed with Gary who offered a full refund .

And so this thread is not to say"I win", but in fact to say"kudos for asus".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
Unless they replace the back panel, wifi will probably not be improved much. Not a software fix.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] m.a.s.e:
agreed...

Thats why I am waiting for the 700... Infinity....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ugotproblemz:
What did you write in your PM that is so magical? i havent got a response from him even from prior pms...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
If you want to get a response from Gary, send him an email, not a PM (it's an option via the forum). Include your contact info in the email.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kwazytazz:
did you guys have to provide a receipt? i don't have my receipt no more and paid cash in jan -_-
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
sorry buddy but sounds like you outta luck. they going to want proof of purchase. even warranty claims want proof of receipt or purchase. why you get rid of receipt? I made sure to stash mines away for when i need it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] micaman:
Not necessarily true, I RMA'd my original TF101 for light bleed, dust under screen and right speaker issues and a copy of the receipt was not requested. Mind you this was within 12 months of the TF101's release. But I agree that they will more than likely request onein order to issue a refund.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BritSwedeGuy:
Sounds like you were unlucky with your Prime!

Mine's been great and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Asus product.