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[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
If you don't understand how companies function then I can see how you may be lost there and think that. It's not as easy as them saying they want to be, and then doing such.

There are rules and procedures to follow and they would have to get people on the board to then vote in new "sorint friendly" execs that would bow down to anything sprint asks for.

Just holding majority stock ownership has nothing to do with day to day activities and it would take a formal process to get control of such. Not something that could happen quickly at all.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
If you are the majority shareholder, you control (decide) who makes the decisions. If you don't, it's because you don't want to. Surely you aren't disagreeing with this?
[HTC EVO 3D] jyan_osu:
No that is not true. At my major company I work for the majority owners do not decide, they just sit back and only care that x amount of money is coming in. They let all the execs and managers figure out who handles the decisions. Even during the rough times, they did not decide the direction the company went to or who to handle it. And this is for a major global organization. which just had a record year last year without any majority owner interaction.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
That's because they chose to do it that way. But if someone decided to fire the CEO, guess who's decision it would be?
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
you do to an extent. BUT there is a process to do such, voting at shareholder meetings which do not happen often...

So its not as easy to get actual day to day control over the company as one would think.

Its very likely that sprint initially did not want day to day control over it as most majority stake holders don't...BUT in instances with the NetworkVision rollout plans i'm sure they would of wanted such as their initial plan to include clearwire on the NV buildouts fell through, they just likely didn't have the time to get someone in place to make the decision......can you imagine clearwire on the majority of sprints towers?!!
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
It'd be the board of directors....so still not the majority shareholder...Thats like i was saying its a process. First you have to vote on your people to the companies board then have the board convinced to make the changes...

its a process in the end and can be a timely one, one which sprint didn't have the time to overtake in regards to when they realized Clearwire with NV were falling through...

And before that its likely they didn't want control then as having too much control is not always the best idea overall...
[HTC EVO 3D] jyan_osu:
Still wouldn't be the majority owners :). Board of directors would be in on that
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
If Sprint had called for a shareholder meeting and/or vote, there absolutely would have been one.

Again, they may not have been involved with the day to day operations, but that was their choice. Had they wanted control over the day to day operations, they could have taken it whenever they wanted.

If Sprint really wanted Clearwire in the network vision plans, they would have been. They probably did want them in at some point, but changed their mind for some reason. It could have been cost, or maybe other plans for Clearwire, or really anything, but it was definitely not because Clearwire said no and Sprint had no say in the decision.

Yes, there is a process. And Sprint never attempting to utilize that process was and still is their own choice. If they wanted control over the day to day operations of Clearwire, they could and would have control over the day to day operations of Clearwire.
[HTC EVO 3D] bloodrain954:
Lol at you kids thinking you know how companies are run
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
"kids"???....far from that here bud. and yeah I know how companies run so ima hope you were not directing that at me there bud.
[HTC EVO 3D] tgruendler:
Love how a post about Sprint's network speed ends up at people arguing about if majority shareholders can make decisions in corporations.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
These things you speak of take time to accomplish though. its not that simple and easy to do as one would think. If they planned on Clearwire going along with their plans from the get go and then see Clear balk at the proposal, its is much more likely that Sprint merely did not have the time to make changes to get them in the rollout schedule and decided it best to continue on their own with it.

Any talk on that aspect is speculation though as we all know it was clear that they wanted clearwire in the rollout to begin with and then later on according to whats been said at S4GRU they couldn't come to terms on it on both sides. At that point its very likely that Sprint just decided best to go ahead without them than spend time changing a companies structure for one decision in their favor...
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
It doesn't take that much time. There have been plenty of opportunities for Sprint to call a meeting or vote if they wanted.

I think what happened (and like you said, this is speculation) is Sprint planned on using Clearwire as their 4G network. Once they realized LTE was the future, they started making plans to go that route. And at some point they realized that Clearwire's spectrum sucks, so they didn't want to spend extra money on it.

I am 100% positive that Sprint not including Clearwire in the network vision upgrades was not due to Clearwire saying they didn't want to be a part of it or Sprint not being allowed to include Clearwire. If Sprint wanted them to be a part of it, and had the money to include them, then they would absolutely be a part of it.
[HTC EVO 3D] jyan_osu:
I just want decent speeds. I'm getting .03Mbps in both directions from my house.. been that way for years and the map says I have WiMax but it's only available in a mile north, south, east, and west of me.. I must live in the black hole of Sprint cell signals
[HTC EVO 3D] tgruendler:
Would recommend switching carriers. Why would you put up with it years?
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
Is there anything you and sgt can agree on seems like one of you follows the other and decides to argue and derail almost all threads. Sorry for taking this OFF topic again but can we talk about speeds.
[HTC EVO 3D] jyan_osu:
I get 27% off Sprint. really at home I use WiFi so I have no need for WiMax or 3G although it's nice to have it as a backup whenever my internet goes down..

It does seem like every place around me now when I am not at home is getting slower and slower...

But it was nice in Vegas and LA when I cover CES and E3 to have good speeds. A couple CES's ago, everyone with iPhones were complaining how they don't get any messages for hours and their network speeds were slow.. I pulled out the EVO 4G and was surprised to get awesome WiMax speeds and was able to SMS with my colleagues with phones other than ATT phones really well. Last year at E3 I was able to pull down great speeds when doing coverage of the event as well.
[HTC EVO 3D] Atoro:
Okay, just dropping by to shed some light on Sprint's 3-5 year plan, got some great info at a manager meeting not too long ago.

Basically they're cutting the number of towers in half, from about 66 million to 33, on par with both big Red and AT&T, but changing the tower types in the process. Taking one tower and turning it into 4 basically, 800/900/1200/2500 and LTE eventually. He also described the reason we still have unlimited data, and will for the next 5 years at least, is the bandwidth on Sprint's frequencies allows it, while VZWs and AT&Ts are more constricted.

They're also changing from a hardware antenna type to a software based one, supposedly increasing signal 40%, and making future tower upgrades stupid easy. Sprint rep's exact words were "New frequency in the future? Take a blade, slap it into the tower, write a bit of code, and bam, rollouts can take weeks instead of months or years." Hopefully this all holds true. Faster rollouts, 40% better signal, better coverage everywhere.

I'm just relaying info that I got firsthand, so don't shoot the messenger guys =)
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Can't help that the guy loves to quote me..... Lol

Even when I say something in agreement with him he will respond another post saying something else....whatyagonnado. LOL.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Mostly true here except the 2500 part being included in every tower...while its true they are reducing the tower count huge with NV its mostly due to the elimination of iDen towers...and they are even adding some cdma networkvision towers in the process too...

The part about software based antennae is a lil missleading though. The new NV antennas combine both 800 and 1900MHz freq instead of the current process where each freq has its own antenna blade on the tower...now if they aquire some new spectrum outside of those freq it'd req new antennae but additional spec purchased within those can be deployed very easily now. Though 5yr out they may be able to do any freq on one antennae VIA software only but its not with ones being used in the current NV deployment to my knowledge.

The signal increase does come from the new improved antennae I'm pretty sure with the RUU mounted directly behind the antennae now...

The other HUGE change is the backhaul change from the current ancient bundled T1 Line crap to microwave/fiber based...currently the T1 crap is soooo restrictive bc of its limits it causes towers to get easily overloaded and in turn relays crap speeds to users...that change alone will be very welcome in congested areas with slow speeds!

Nice info on the unlimited though! Always wondered if they'd drop it once NV was complete at end of next yr as its planned to be thus far...5yr would get us into VoLTE...guess after that they'd have to assess how much data is really getting used...
[HTC EVO 3D] Atoro:
Yes, thanks for adding what I left out, I was going off of memory. They said they were revamping most of their towers to the new type, didn't mention if they were removing ALL the iDen towers or just changin the best located towers to the NV ones, since there are places where the 800/900 band reaches that the others don't, and vice versa.

After the meeting I was stoked, thikning "Hell yeah, better signal, faster speeds, still unlimited, Sprint's got it all figured out!"

But then I got sad, after doing a speed test at full 3G and getting 0.04 mbps, and realized it's at least 3 years away lol
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
na man not no 3 years. NV rollout is slated to be complete by the end of 2013 now...initially it was slated for like 2015 but they've pushed it up fast fast here...what they are slated to be doing in this time frame is truly amazing. imho...

just hope a ton of iPhoney ppl dont roll over and bog the network down past their current spectrum limits...something VZ doesn't have an issue with...least not till CLWR can get off their butt and be out there providing decent coverage...they are supposed to have 5k sites up by mid yr next yr...
[HTC EVO 3D] Atoro:
Well I meant more specifically my area. I find it funny that one of the biggest tourist destinations in the US has such god awful coverage (Monterey County, CA) They focus on the bigger cities, which makes sense, but at least throw us a bone, y'know? Can't even send a picture message at work, where I SELL these things, it's laughable lol, I just hope this rollout comes sooner rather than later.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Should be comple by end next yr for u too. NV at least....now the whole VoLTE and all that is another story...
[HTC EVO 3D] Ascertion:
I've got GREAT 3G speeds at my house. It's actually faster than my 4G WiMax. I'm hoping LTE can blow this out of the water!

Granted, this was taken in the morning, and not during the day. But I'm always up at that time so it works for me. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] goalkeepr:
From the server you used, I assume you're in Jacksonville? I'm in South Jacksonville (210) area, and my 4G is definitely faster than my 3G! (Attached was taken just now.)
[HTC EVO 3D] adrand:
Amazing 3g speeds! enjoy it!
[HTC EVO 3D] Jayavarman:
Sprint is the majority shareholder (54%) of Clearwire, but

it is unable to operationally control Clearwire due to legal and financial reasons.

Thus, Clearwire is an "independent" company, but one that is mutually dependent on Sprint. So no, Sprint cannot really force Clearwire to become part of Network Vision. Their separate leadership have to agree and make a deal (which they later did).

As a broader lesson: not all shares are created equal. For example, many founders of companies have shares that have ultra-voting power. (see Mark Zuckerberg or Mark Pincus)
[HTC EVO 3D] SinisterChedda:
My 3g speeds are horrible. 190 KB/s usually but sometimes 400 KB/s. In Albuquerque, NM. I try to stay on wifi because I can't handle how slow it is.
[HTC EVO 3D] Ascertion:
ahaha, my 4G is like 1.3mbps at my house. At work on the other hand, I pull about 13 mbps down. :p
[HTC EVO 3D] healed:
I'm in Memphis. Sprint's data speeds suck. I stream music when I'm in the car with Spotify, Google Music, and Pandora and without fail at some point during the ride, the music is going to start buffering. It keeps stuttering until I just give up and ride in silence to wherever I'm going, OR I let a friend with AT&T use his phone to stream and not once does the music stop.

It was like this with my Hero, and I still renewed with Sprint and got this phone. But I'm done now. I'm outta here next June when my contract is out. Yeah Sprint is cheap but I'll pay more with AT&T or Verizon to end my frustration.
[HTC EVO 3D] VonEsch:
I changed carriers last March. I'm with AT&T now for this reason. 4g was 6-7mpbs, "3g" was .05... I'm with AT&T now and 3g is my Wimax speed. It's not unlimited data but I can reach that 3 GB limit with AT&T. I could almost reach 600mb with prl 11115. Those with **** service, change your prl to that, it's Verizon. You may get booted, but it'll get you or of contact free:)
[HTC EVO 3D] sitlet:
Here is my random speed tests from the past week or so. Notice, only two times did I actually get above 300kbps, and that was after midnight. The -0 you see from yesterday was because the 3g was just not working AT ALL from about 8am until 6pm, even though I had full bars.
[HTC EVO 3D] A2CKilla:
Just means more bandwidth for us ^_^ thank you sir, and good day
[HTC EVO 3D] aweskelo:
I'm only getting 40k down but 250k up for the past 6 months. Due to up being significantly more, is that indicative that the down is congested?

Btw, f sprint and unlimited. It's good for nothing if you can't use it.
[HTC EVO 3D] lpjzfan2005:
My speeds in the fourth largest city in the country

Houston tx

Edit : new server gave me better results 600 down 400 up
[HTC EVO 3D] malicenfz:
4G speeds and 3G speeds for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] aweskelo:
This consistently on my killer 40k down...
[HTC EVO 3D] aweskelo:
And pls notice full bars on the screen shot
[HTC EVO 3D] DarkManX4lf:
If I remember correctly, and the bars do not mean anything in regards to data speeds and show how good your voice signal is... Or is that how it is on aosp roms.... I forget :-(
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
na signal effects speed for sure...Tests have shown that it actually effects the LTE signal a little more than the EVDO according to S4GRU.com...saying the dropoff of data rate is a little more suspect with LTE for whatever reason than it is for EVDO which tends to hold fairly well over signall...

BUT, with Sprints current network structure it is best to assume signal doesn't mean much right now as your data speeds could be low for a number of reasons...
[HTC EVO 3D] DarkManX4lf:
Yah that always confused me... I mean I can have 6/6 bars and have good voice calls.... But when I use data its slow as crap but it says 3g.....
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Yeah things like that could be examples of you being connected to a tower that's way over capacity....which is a lot of em evidently...backhaul change fixes that as now they r on T1 lines and new backhaul is a ton bigger bandwidth wise.
[HTC EVO 3D] Genjinaro:
I hope this keeps on schedule, Philly's 3G is at a snails pace. 400Kbps is killing me indoors. I'm not going to have the luxury of WiMax come the summertime. :/
[HTC EVO 3D] Stikman72:
As always, depends on where you live

I never understand people who complain as if data speeds in their particular area is indicative of data speeds throughout the nation; every market is different.
[HTC EVO 3D] luis4ever:
My phone usually gets 1500-2000 kbps in Mexico.
[HTC EVO 3D] Drachen808:
Yeah, I mean people complain about 400 kbps and I am sitting here jealous. 50-200 for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] 2k4mach:
50-200? id be estatic if i ever saw those speeds out here in helotes. im used to 5-13k the past 3 weeks. i saw the erricson truck at a tower off culebra/1604 yesterday so hopefully there upgrading.
[HTC EVO 3D] NYCHitman1:
I avg somewhere around 1.36, but have seen as high as 2.56
[HTC EVO 3D] Drachen808:
LOL, I am right down the street from you near bandera and mainland.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlibby455:
speeds

I live in the north east and at least in my town we get terrible speeds. On a good day I pull in 40-50k....at least its unlimited.
[HTC EVO 3D] DarkManX4lf:
Yes its unlimited...but what is the point of having unlimited if you cant even use your data for anything useful (streaming videos etc..)....you can argue it the other way around too...
[HTC EVO 3D] beatstork:
My speed increased when I switched to the iPhone . My evo broke and I was getting too addicted to flashing stuff so I just decided to go with something simpler . And for some reason my speeds are better with the iPhone .
[HTC EVO 3D] Volumes:
I can't wait till Sept. AT&T here I come, maybe when sitting with friends I can stream a YouTube video and be able to have it play in HD in 20 seconds like they all do. Oh!!!!! And maybe I won't get connection time out when going to Google Play!
[HTC EVO 3D] dmband64:
I think that Sprint is allocating more bandwidth to iPhone users because they want them to be happy so they can maintain that user base. That is huge for their market share. One day maybe they will catch up but I can't argue much with unlimited data on my 5 lines.
[HTC EVO 3D] tgruendler:
lol...doubt it. If it was true, it would be all over XDA.

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Later...hope you like paying out the ass for limited data.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
It's better than paying out the ass for no data at all (or as Sprint likes to call it- unlimited data that you can't actually use for anything at the same price as Verizon and AT&T's LTE).
[HTC EVO 3D] tgruendler:
You can say the same thing on both sides of table. I get great speeds in St. Louis but my buddy gets horrible speeds with ATT. This argument all depends on where you live. I am sorry that you all get horrible speeds where you live. I get great speeds and hearing about you all complaining about it on a developer board does nothing. Like I have said before, getting bad speeds??? Leave.
[HTC EVO 3D] Volumes:
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Later...hope you like paying out the ass for limited data.[/QUOTE]

If your going to play Captain Obvious try to sound intelligent.

I don't see why people complain about no unlimited data. I bet 90% if people have access to WiFi for 8/12 hour days. Which I do, so why an I paying $100 for 2 lines with 20k speeds. It's pathetic
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Did you read the posts? lol

Dude said he was going to AT&T, someone else bashed that choice, and I pointed out why that is not necessarily a bad choice. Cleasrly, he is getting better AT&T service in his area than Sprint service if he is considering that.

So yes, if you get bad service, leave. That's exactly what he is doing. And if some moron bashes you for doing just that, then point out their idiocy.

Me? I'll probably leave as soon as my contract is up. Unless Sprint fixes their service and releases a killer phone by then. But in my area right now AT&T and Verizon both have LTE, Sprint hasn't even announced LTE for this area yet. And in addition to that, AT&T, Verizon, and even T-Mobile have faster 3G than Sprint's Wimax. And Sprint's 3G is slower than dial up. So I'll gladly explore other options when I'm free form this contract and there are actually some phones on the other carriers that interest me.
[HTC EVO 3D] Volumes:
Is the delayed release of ics irritating you? I am leaving. And I have ample reason too, I know you prolly missed the SS I posted, because you were so excited to troll. Give your thumb a break from the refresh button and relax. And, I hate to point out the obvious, but this is a Sprint network speed thread, where we are entitled to post our speed, and complain if necessary ( please refer back to screen shot) so if you don't like it.........leave.
[HTC EVO 3D] 2k4mach:
i guess network vision is rolling through. noticed yesterday evening over by my parents house where speeds are 0 during peak times i was getting 500-680k. noticed a few new antanaes on the tower, didnt see a microwave dish though.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Was probably just local tower upgrades.

Also IDK where you guys live to get 50kb/s but I constantly have a decent connect (500-1000) kb/s on 3G even if I'm on a highway in the middle of ohio.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
you dont have the capacity issues others like me have...Raleigh here in areas is horrid unfortunately...once NV comes through itll all be good though.. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] DarkManX4lf:
I get the same speeds where I'm at....its sad...
[HTC EVO 3D] PerfectlyFlawed:
If they don't have their crap straight when my contract ends in February, I'm saying buh bye to Sprint.

It's damn ridiculous. I love my Evo but I can't fully enjoy it.
[HTC EVO 3D] fumus9:
3G and stock prices

Does this mean anything? Stock prices...

Verizon - $40.26

AT&T - $32.86

Tmobile - $11.11

Sprint - $2.36

Is Sprint leaving, starting with its 3G speed?
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
nope it means zilch bud. you can't compare stock prices at all....its about market cap...

like if Verizon issued 5000x more shares it would in turn lower the share price, and could make it less per share than Sprint....BUT the market cap would still be the same.....

never waste time comparing stock prices of companies as its meaningless...
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
I agree with you (lol, shocker right?) but it's not TOTALLY meaningless.

For example, I expect Sprint will eventually be bought out by another company. Someone like CenturyLink makes sense (if I had to name a single company). They are a pretty big landline provider that doesn't have a wireless network. In fact, Embark (landline provider that used to be part of Sprint) is now part of CenturyLink. I would have also said Comcast, but they just signed a partnership with Verizon.

Anyway, if you subscribe to the theory that Sprint will eventually be bought out, then the stock price is pretty relevant.

I agree with you though that market cap is also important.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
nope still irrelevant as your total price for a purchase is dependent on shares outstanding and current price....so total cap is what matters then....just like if sprint issues more shares and stock price gets cheaper,...whoever you think thats going to buy out sprint will pay the same amount as before roughly b/c market cap not changed...

but yes it is relevant for buyouts to an extent if you are holding shares outstanding constant during the time your looking at it...still though in the end market cap is what determines it and value company is projected at too...
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Market cap is important, I agree with you. But that doesn't mean it's the ONLY important metric. Share price is just as important as market cap.

You keep saying "what if they issued new shares and manipulated the price" but the obvious answer to that is "what if they DIDN'T change the number of shares and the price changed" (which should be pointed out is exactly what is happening, Sprint hasn't changed the number of shares and yet the stock price is low).