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[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Oly, Tectas is coming with AOKP JB with Androdamus kernel 3.x.

Also as nexx had said there will be no more work on CM9.

So it's either CM10 or AOKP JB.

Also could you please add the IRC details to the OP.

Tapatalked from a Desire S with Kernel 3 built from One V sources. Take that HTC!!!!!!
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Sweet. Updated OP, please tell me if I got it right, no idea about this IRC thing :eek:
[HTC Desire S] Tectas:
That's the app, #sagaofftopic is the channel and freenode is the server, the app is just a generic irc client.

Edit: nevermind, I'm blind.

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Probably the kernel will run with cm9 as well, only need to see if i get the camera working (at least like on andromadus) without modifying the framework.

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[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Wow, I'm excited! Sorry if I'm breaking the rules a little but, but is there a rough ETA? I just need to know whether its worth waiting, or I should go back to Andromadus to satisfy my JB craving!

Cheers
[HTC Desire S] Tectas:
Like already said at twitter, next week, but don't expect it on Monday ;)

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[HTC Desire S] jugg1es:
Ok, just found this thread with everyone on:). I'll make the introduction. My names Glenn, I'm nearly forty and work with people with learning difficulties at the moment.London born, living in Derbyshire for the climbing which I love.I'm about to get married to my partner of fourteen years, we've a son whose nearly 3. I love tech, I've built almost every computer I've had from bits and bobs held together like a blue Peter project. Brought one last year and wish I hadn't, never again. Hasn't written any lines of code since my spectrum days but getting the hang of it again with the help of the rspi I got the other week. This is my first droid, rooted 8 months into my contract.so thought I'd say hi and it's nice to meet you all:D
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Nice to meet you! Congratulations, and best of luck! :)
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Lovely twitter widget https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jv.falcon

Tapatalked from a Desire S with Kernel 3 built from One V sources. Take that HTC!!!!!!
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
seen you around the forum recently, so as a fellow London born 40 year old whose been married to their partner of roughly the same time for a couple of years.... Hello and Welcome!

:good:
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Apparently, the Incredible S is the only 7x30 device to get ICS officially via OTA. My friend just got his today. Considering how messy (data wipe and all) the Saga's update will be, I'll probably recommend my friends to root their phones and flash a custom ROM, most probably Fallout.
[HTC Desire S] dan-fish:
Anyone a fan of Breaking Bad? For me, it's the best show I've seen in a while. Extremely underrated in the UK.
[HTC Desire S] pughie:
It's one of the only shows I watch, Saul makes me hoot
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
After not been able to find a decent upgrade. I've set my mind in this beast.

http://m.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_d_quad_xl-4569.php

Huawei are aiming to sell this 20-50% cheaper than the S3 or HOX, fantastic hardware, shame about the software. At MWC, it had pure ICS, then they did a stupid thing by design their gimmicky Emotion UI.

Can OEMS learn now, we want stock? Apart from HTC and Samsung, their UI is too iconic now, but other manufacturers should learn.

Hope this phone gets JB, and a strong dev community.
[HTC Desire S] theguitarman94:
Looks pretty sweet man :) Huawei seem to be getting a good name for themselves
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
@oly my 10p worth....(opinions...opinion...)

While that device does look incredible spec wise, as does the Meizu MX Quad-Core which is shown on XDA front page today, I must agree with @enigmaamit there, in that a device without full developer support and even one without an existing English speaking communitity is a real risk...that's far too great for me!

This is the reason why I would only currently go for OneX (would have bought one if it took an SD) and I'm been recently trawling ebay for cheap (unlocked) ones or even out of my comfort zone and get an SGS3 (which ridiculously is the cheaper option (from carphone warehouse)), although I really consider the HTC forum's family (sad i know!).
[HTC Desire S] SimonTS:
The possible lack of support is my only concern with these phones as well right now. On top of the two Ben mentioned is the Mi-Two - which also looks like an absolute beast, and has removable battery and Micro SD-card slot.

It's not really about the cost for me - if I find the phone I want then I will buy it - but I just don't like the look of the SGS3 and the HOX is missing a trick by not having removable storage.

Maybe by the time the Christmas releases come around one of the big boys will actually get their finger out and give people what they want.

Edit: Have found the new Meizu MX for sale on eBay by Pandatronic in the US. They must have one of the best ever selling lines for any product;-

Unfortunately this phone doesn't have a removable memory card, and only has a 1600mAh battery, although a 4" screen at 960x640 would be about perfect for me.
[HTC Desire S] Tectas:
One additional thing that needs to be covered is for my opinion the build quality, think about which flaws even flagship devices of big vendors got, how will it be at such small vendors which haven't got enough resources for decent testing.

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[HTC Desire S] jugg1es:
True enough, but some small vendors built some quality devices in order to make a name for themselves, when they get bigger they tend to forget that the quality got them a foot in the door so to speak and hand out the build rights to all and sundry

sent from the thing I stab with my finger when I've got two minutes :)
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Can't wait for RVP's debut tommorow!!!
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
I'm totally with you there Oly, Fatman and Robin the dynamic duo!

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Hahaha!

Its a shame for Welbeck though, he still has so much potential to reach his peak, but won't be on much :(
[HTC Desire S] harshs23:
Any THC connoisseurs here?

Sent from my Desire S
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
smoking?

Sywepd form my DsereiS

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he'll get his chances squad rotation four different competitions etc....

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Good news.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-may-offer-Nexus-like-Android-updates-for-Sony-Xperia-S_id33422

Google are offering AOSP updates. I bloody hope this is true. I think they want to cut down on fragmentation.

Apparently devices that come with unlocked boot loaders should be able to get AOSP ROMs from Google themselves.

If this was true!!!
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Xperia S only oly, no plans for other devices (yet). This is because Sony contributes a lot of their code to AOSP and not keep it closed (like HTC or Samsung).
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Yes true, and its gonna be cutting edge stuff...

Not sure what JBQ has planned :D

Work seems to have started here

Oly does it sway you towards Xperia S?
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Thanks guys! Seems like Sony is doing a great job!

Was tempted by this, but unfortunately it has the S3 chip which is quite poor for a 2012 flagship to be honest!

Cheers!
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Still better than the S3 One S IMO.

I gave it a little thought, and this sort of a venture would fit perfectly with my "dream-phone". A device that ships with HTC Sense and an unlockable bootloader, which HTC can take their sweet time updating, and gets *official* AOSP support from google for the fastest (and hopefully for a longer period) updates. Of course, this wouldn't be useable as a daily driver as it is, since Google has boundaries with its code, it can't use "dirty" stuff, but this would serve as a perfect base for ROM chefs. HTC, willing to get on Google's good side, will release whatever they can to help them fix nasty bugs because of proprietary software (read: Instant release of kernel source, maybe even before official update comes). Think, what would it be like if Google can do this for one device per manufacturer, because let's be serious, doing this for ALL the droids would be impossible :p I hope this is what they have planned, and by the time I upgrade from the Desire S, such a device will be in place :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
Ahhh, <sigh>, utopia.

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
ICS IS HERE! WITH KERNEL SOURCE;!
[HTC Desire S] SimonTS:
What, where, when, why, how ... :eek:

P.S. I only pressed 'THANKS' because your sig has a spurious "[/COLOR]" visible in the middle of it :p
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Official info thread! Some member just posted it! Not too sure if it's the kernel source or ROM, but I think it'd the kernel source!!!!!
[HTC Desire S] mirok:
http://referring-m.tumblr.com/image/29814056600
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Seems as if the source is for the Chinese update that released about a month ago. Anyway, good for development. Superkid may not use this as it is, but I'm sure it should fix the camera (and any other lingering) issues. CM10 will also get a kernel 3 too :)

Sent from a device waiting for the Kernel 3 source, WAKE UP HTC
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Well hope the RUU drops by soon

Well all we want is the new radio from the RUU, and any new firmware would be nice too.

Time for Virtuous Saga v2?

Tapatalked from a Desire S with Kernel 3 built from One V sources. Take that HTC!!!!!!
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
So NK11 can start building an AOSP kernel for CM10 from these sources? :)

According to Superkid, Jelly bean has a different kernel? This is 3.0.16, Andromadus is 3.0.41, Is there really a big difference?
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Yes, JellyBean needs new panel drivers for the frame buffer to work fine, and new panel needs 3.0.40 kernel

Which I think is needed for JellyBean.

I could be wrong

Tapatalked from a Desire S with Kernel 3 built from One V sources. Take that HTC!!!!!!
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Yeah, not just him, everyone making any AOSP ROM will use this source. Expect a kernel with OC based on this in your favorite Sense ROMs too.

Don't think so, I'm quiet sure that virtuous team have no intention of updating that rom, it was only released to get the leak to the public, no development on that should be expected.

Sent from a device waiting for the Kernel 3 source, WAKE UP HTC
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
:(

Shame :( I don't really like Sense anymore at all, AOSP is far superior. It's advanced so much, and the speed is incredible.

I keep NANDroiding back and off between Fallout and Andromadus the last few days.

Jelly bean is such a beautiful UI, but when I use it, I get bugged by the.backlights, camera not working etc. I crave a stable phone. So I restore to Fallout, but Sense just isn't exciting anymore. I've been using Sense 4 for 3 months now, and its actually significantly slower than JB. Particularly the browser. JB browser is incredible and almost as smooth as iOS!

I'm really hoping for a surprise for lowveld to come back with an AOSP JB ROM! Fallout was a very pleasant surprise after lowveld went MIA for a couple of months, and it turned out to be one of the best DS ROMs. I hope the same will happen soon.

LOWVELD, CAN YOU HEAR ME? :D
[HTC Desire S] SimonTS:
I hope that something good does come of this kernel source - for the good people on this forum who have been waiting for it.

I personally feel that my next phone will be something I am happy to keep as stock so I can stay away from XDA - this place has gone so far downhill recently it's not even funny. The problem is that the forum for the DS used to be a nice place to hang out, decent people and intelligent (for the most part) posts. Now it is being overrun by noobs who are destroying the atmosphere we once had here.

It is impossible to stay away from the threads they are in as I am as interested in information and progress as the rest of you guys, but there is 95% dross to sift through in order to find anything worth reading. I'm not convinced that 10 posts is enough for the Dev forums anymore either. Maybe that should be raised to 100 posts? Or maybe it should be an 'By invite only' area - that way the people who actually contribute to a decent forum could have their own threads in there for Off-Topic discussion as well where the morons couldn't get in the way.

Maybe I'm just tired, maybe I'm pi$$ed off with life, maybe I'm just becoming a miserable old sod or a Nazi - but I don't think I can deal with this sort of crap much longer.
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
oly - As I said, these minor issues should be solved, but no idea on when since its a completely different base. They're bot going to rebase the kernel, just take whatever possible or fixes.

Simon - Never let noobs ruin something ;) Simply ignore them. The One X/SGS III sections are full of noobs, still, there are a no. of amazing ROMs for these devices. It's hard to read the thread, but there's no need to go past the first 3 posts, since the stuff is noob-proof :p
[HTC Desire S] pughie:
Simon trust me this place is like paradise compared to the S3 and Nexus 7 forums....madness I tell you, if I have an issue with a ROM I don't even report it on there as it gets lost under an ocean of crap...no wonder I keep coming back here :D

Edit : Shrome beat me to it :thumbup:
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
@Simon I agree with Shrome, step a foot into the HOX forum and you will see the difference! But i certainly agree with you, the new noobs are.so cocky and arrogant, ruining the forum for everyone.

@Shrome, I see you changed your tapatalk Sig back! :p
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
The old one was made redundant by recent developments xD
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Disappointing result, but Everton did play well...

Impressed by Kagawa, great midfield attacker, nice touches seems that he will be better than Park? :eek:

Nani had a poor game, should have subbed him off earlier, and RVP should have come on much earlier.

Hope Fergie puts RVP in the starting 11 next time.
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
Totally agree with you on all counts there Oly..biggest positive was Kaggy (my new name for him) .

Difficult first game.

De Gea had a quality first half, we were screwed by a weakened back four, great to see Vidic back even though he wasn't at his old best, but Evra was pretty poor . Nani poor.

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[HTC Desire S] :
Hi all. Messaged Ben recently as I am unlikely to be back on XDA and signing over ownership of my guide thread to him so that the DS crowd can still benefit from it. The reasons you have just touched on (plus some more serious ones) have taken their toll and XDA is no longer a place I want to be. The DS days here I will remember fondly. The HOX forums are a joke. Giving me 'Recognised Contributor' tags was not enough to appease me. :(

Anyhow, just wanted to say hi and thanks for a nice time whilst I was here. If any of you are looking for a friendlier place to bring development, we have set up our own shop at http://www.droidevs.com/forum.php

All are welcome. We are only a couple of months old, so it's going to be a bit quiet here. But myself and some other members of the CoreDroid team are moderators and nonsense is not tolerated! :) We don't mind people who are new who are willing to learn however. It's all about a more friendly place to bring development, instead of the angry demand centre XDA has become. There is a section for feedback and suggestions if you think we are doing something wrong or you have an idea for improvements. We'd like to hear what you think.

If you know of any SGS3, Galaxy Nexus, or any developers for that matter who have tired of XDA, point them in our direction. As I said all are welcome.

Cheers guys.

Will.
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Regarding the JB Kernel discussion earlier, Superkid said that the kernel is not very useful for his JB ROM since it is 3.0.16, and his ROM has 3.0.41 which apparently has JB panel drivers or whatever.

The kernel that he uses originates comes from the Primo (One V) which has 3.0.16. How did it manage to get updated to 3.0.41?

Doesn't that mean that our saga kernel can be updated? And In theory now shouldnt it be easier to fix the bugs now, since the kernel is built for our device?

Suku, Shrome, anything from you guys? You guys are the experts with this!
[HTC Desire S] dan-fish:
It can be updated. But its just easier to stick with flemmard's kernel. If you look at the commits throughout the kernel you'll see it has been gradually patched up to .41. These patches can be applied to this as well although I'm not sure if it would work on sense or not.
[HTC Desire S] superkid:
Well, the 3.0.16 is an ics kernel, its really great, and have stuff that will for sure help for other kernels.

Rebasing the 3.0.41 kernel to the saga one is a too long job, and a not needed one, as the current one works pretty good.

JB will work with kernel 3.0.16, the big difference is that in v 3.0.38 if i remember right, a new framebuffer was introduced, and with it, new adreno props.

That made the rom really smooth, and if handled the perfect way, even better then anything we saw.

I never said it wont help the 3.0.16 release, it have a nice board, some camera stuff, even some sound stuff that are interesting. Other then that, the panels stuff are the same as the old ones we already had, and the wifi stuff is a really old one, bcm4329 instead of bcmdhd.
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Lol, I thought this was the Andromadus thread when I first saw your post :p

BTW, have you seen the no. of twitter clients flying around the play store? I'm torn between these 3, all use the Holo interface -

Tweedle - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.handlerexploit.tweedle&feature=featured-apps

Tweet Lanes - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tweetlanes.android&feature=search_result

TweetLine - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.happydroid.tweetline&feature=search_result (this one I found today)

Which one do you use?
[HTC Desire S] superkid:
Why? I cant hang out? xD
[HTC Desire S] UmairAhmad:
Lol
[HTC Desire S] Kolo39:
I'm using Boid. It's simple and easy to use. The devs (4 young people) are planning for a huge update. But Tweet Lanes looks very promising
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Ah, what a small world, one of the devs is actually my friend, redbullcat on the forums :)
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Indeed at current state Boid looks much better than Tweet lanes

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[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
@Dan - AQA have posted their grade boundaries!

Pleased with P3's boundaries, due to the difficult paper, its lower than C3 & B3!
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Wonder when Tapatalk will go Holo...

Tapatalked from Desire S running Androdamus
[HTC Desire S] dan-fish:
I imagine that C3 and B3 are pretty high. Even with the low P3 boundaries I'm still not expecting anything good
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Yeah, I think B3 is like 34/45 for an A* and C3 is like 33.

P3 is 29/45 :)
[HTC Desire S] Kolo39:
Haha cool I'm following him on twitter :D I'm looking forward for the other apps they want to build. They program the apps android needs. Easy to use and good looking :D
[HTC Desire S] dan-fish:
How'd it go Oly?

I got 4 A's and the rest B's. Not too pleased. Coursework really screwed me over. I got B's, C's and one D in my coursework. Really brought my grades down.
[HTC Desire S] djsubtronic:
When the Holo theme is replaced by something new in Android 5.0

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Not sure about this, the HTC One S uses Kernel 3.0.8 on CM10.
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
The Desire S (and many other devices) used kernel 2.6 (heavily modified) for ICS even though 3.0 was required for that so it doesn't matter, but it's probably better ;)
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Anyone knows what kernel version is on Galaxy NEXUS or Nexus 7 with JB?

Tapatalked from Desire S running Androdamus
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
According to the title of this, 3.0.41 - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1414850
[HTC Desire S] suku_patel_22:
Well then we should have 3.0.41 :D

Tapatalked from Desire S running Androdamus
[HTC Desire S] Tectas:
The gs3 leak runs with kernel 3.0.31, so that should be enough as well.
[HTC Desire S] pughie:
Stock kernel for Nexus 7
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
With T-Mobile and orange (something somewhere) supposedly starting to roll out 4g on this little island later this year, I think that's completely ruled out any of the phones currently available on the market in the UK for my next device

Roll on our first 4g handset, what will you be?

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[HTC Desire S] BillGoss:
In Australia, Telstra rolled out the HTC One XL as their flagship 4g phone.

Sent from my Desire S
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
Hopefully by that time the much rumored HTC one X Plus the four core version of the 4g phone will be ready for us

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[HTC Desire S] Eclipse_Droid:
Loving the (something somewhere) Ben;)
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
HTC: Did you buy a One V recently? Do you expect an upgrade to Jelly Bean? Well, screw you, we'll just sell a better device for the same price.

https://twitter.com/Football4PDA/status/238937501375549440

But this is good news for us, it's dual core so probably has full Sense 4 should be updated to (or may ship with) JellyBean, and it's WVGA. Do I need to explain any further ;)
[HTC Desire S] PVL_93_RU:
But this is too similar to One S...
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
Yes, it uses a lower end qualcomm S4 chipset, the S4 is divided to tiers, this one belongs to "Play" which is the lowest. (check here). Other than that, it's the same as One V. Same camera, screen resolution, but probably 1 GB RAM, since dual core is useless with less than 768. It'll be a budget phone, so why would anyone choose the One V over this?
[HTC Desire S] dan-fish:
I'd like to discuss something which has been bugging me for a while. The quality of apps on android especially when compared to iOS. This is particularly aimed at any app developers if we have any. What makes iOS so much better to develop on? Is it because android uses java? I've always found myself waiting for certain apps from iOS to be ported over to android and when they are I tend to be disappointed. Sometimes they're blatant copies of their iOS apps which ruins everything for me, sometimes they're missing features which are present in the iOS app and sometimes they're just unusable. Although there are times where they're pretty good.

But I still find that something is not right if I'm always waiting for apps from iOS. I can't really name any apps that originate from android and have gained huge popularity (maybe because of the restrictions on iOS?). Apps have been essential since day one and it's pretty much the only lead Apple has on android but it's a big one IMO.

I'm not convinced that Google has done enough. They seem to have put a lot of effort into the play store and while it does blow the app store out of the water, iOS still has the apps which is what matters.

I just want to say that what I have said is just my opinion and it isn't an attack on developers. I could go on but I figure it's best to not make it drag on too long
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
From what I've seen and read thus far, it's because development tools for android kinda suck. It's much easier (for the lack of a better word) to develop apps for iOS.