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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Amiodarone:
hi guys,

1. which is faster/better user experience ... T3 VS S4?

2. I am confused which to get since att one x comes with warranty while there is no warranty for the international one .. what do u suggest?

3. which one will get updates sooner?

would u plz summarize what you've found so far ..

sorry if my Qs are repeated and thanx in advance
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
Because of the dev community, the T3 has a better user experience. They have the Android Revolution ROM (one of the best out there) and CM9 / AOKP.

You can get a warranty for the international version through a 3rd party

The international One X will get updates sooner.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Best answer I've seen on this issue ...

I'd have to say, that's the best answer I've seen on this issue: LTE or 32GB Storage.

It doesn't get more simple than that.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Amiodarone:
sorry for my silly Q .. but how can I get warranty throguh 3rd party?

there is nothing like that in amazon
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] k4p741nkrunch:
Speaking on the matter of storage, I'm still pretty shocked that the One XL I'll be getting this weekend is going to have less than half the available storage of the One X. I saw in a screenshot earlier that only around 10 GB was available for user storage.

I'm thinking that with the growing outcrop of cloud storage I shouldn't have too many problems getting by. All my music will be uploaded to Play Music (forcing me to use the proprietary player) and all my documents to the included 25 GB dropbox. I wish I could plug in my 32 GB Adata, or that it was on par with the international variant, but it's just another thing I'll get over when I have that sweet little beast in my possession.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Maroon Mushroom:
You don't have to buy it through amazon. Go through ebay.

You can add a square trade warranty that can cover everything that goes wrong with it, including accidental damage.

Also there's no deductible. AT&T's deductible is $199. The cost of the phone w/ a new contract.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] JSLEnterprises:
10.5gb(minus overhead) of pc mountable storage, 3gb(minus overhead) of internal app storage (/data), and the rest is for all the other crap like the boot img, recovery, the system, a 'pc sync' image (that mounts as a cd-rom), etc...

they sure chose some odd amounts for partition sizes....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] k4p741nkrunch:
When I see an HOX teardown I'm going to find that damn nand and replace it with a 32 gigger from the international. Honestly I don't even know if that's possible, but 10.5 gb is sounding worse and worse by the hour.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] JSLEnterprises:
Considering that its all on the same nand flash... Its questionable as to how much of the storage is put aside for provisioning.

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Atleast your 32gb adata cost $40-50, I spent almost $200 on a 64gb sandisk microsdxc. So you could imagine how I feel... but I can always just use it in my Cannon 60D using an adapter ... the camera supports it better than the phone it was in anyways. lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DJsCrIBbLe:
Bummer i bought my sandisk 64 gb for 80 usd :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] k4p741nkrunch:
I'm thinking that for now I'll keep the 32gb in my decomissioned G2x and replace my 8gb Evo with it as my set-top movie box. I feel for you man, honestly it sucks, worse on your end. At least you have a next-gen storage card you'll be able to use for future phones!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] iamthedudeman:
It appears the One XL is the slightly better of the two. Battery is better due to the S4 chip. Performance is like I said, good on both but slightly better on the S4. The Tegra 3 is a quad so overall better total CPU power in heavily multi-threaded tests. The S4's more advanced SOC allow it to beat the Tegra on most of the single threaded and dual threaded functions.

Even when the Samsung Galaxy comes out, the One X will still be on par or better than the Galaxy based on tests of both devices.

In many cases the AT&T One X delivers either the best or among the best battery life of any smartphone we've tested.

For those of you wondering about the Snapdragon S4 vs. Tegra 3 comparison, the answer is pretty simple. It's very difficult to tell the performance difference between these two SoCs in day to day usage. Qualcomm has the scalar performance advantage, while NVIDIA has the heavily threaded performance advantage. On the GPU side, there's likely an NVIDIA advantage there as well. However in practice, you'd be hard pressed to tell the international (Tegra 3) One X and AT&T (S4) One Xes apart based on performance. Battery life however is a different story entirely. Today, the AT&T One X offers tangibly better battery life than the international version. There are software updates on the way for the One X (Tegra 3) that may narrow the gap, but we'll have to wait and see.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/8
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] rambo8987:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1631426

Can someone help answer this question? I'd like to know

from my HTC PH39100 using xda premium
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] GibMcFragger:
If you are referring to the internal memory question, it has been answered. It should be a NAND chip, meaning (almost)impossible to change, being its soldered to the board.

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hahaha Too funny. :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
The latest news ... It's good!

Well, it's been quite a while since I posted in this thread and, for that, I apologize. In all honesty, it's been a very frustrating experience over the last week, but I have some good news.

As some of you already know, about the only problem I had with my Rogers unit was WiFi. The signal would drop often, or the phone would tell me it's connected to WiFi when I was a long distance away.

Anyway, to make a long story short, other than the WiFi issue, I am about as pleased with my Rogers unit as one can be. However, the WiFi issue was critical for me ... and ... a potential "deal breaker."

Fortunately, another member, JSLEnterprises, who has been extremely helpful to me and my situation, modified some WiFi files, which I installed. This seemed to fix the problem ... almost. Although there were still some very minor issues, I could certainly live with them, and I'm sure things will continue to improve.

However, for reasons that I simply can't understand, I ended up bricking my phone. What can I say? I love fiddling around with things and, this time, my fiddling backfired.

There's a happy ending, though. I brought the unit back to Rogers yesterday, and got a replacement (here's the story: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=25788934#post25788934).

First, the WiFi issue doesn't seem to be an issue with this phone. Woohoo! Perhaps, if anyone's interested, I can send them the WiFi files on this phone for comparison with other files. Perhaps there are some entries that are different, which resolve or almost resolve the problem.

Second, I seem to be coming quite adept at unlocking bootloaders and rooting. The entire process took me less than 5 minutes this morning.

So, now I have a new Rogers unit, bootloader unlocked (yes, it says TAMPERED), rooted, and I'm off to the races.

In conclusion, now I can say with absolute certainty that this phone is incredible. Fast, smooth, and it works. What more can anyone want?

I'll try and keep reporting here, for others who may need the help/information.

Good luck to everyone else.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] buradd:
whats weird is i just bought the at&t one x, and was using it for a while before i read in the manual that its actually re-recommended to charge the device before using it completely... so i turned the phone off and plugged it in, nothing happend, no LED charge light, no charge indication at all, the phone was like dead.. i tried to turn it on, it wouldnt.. i was THIS close to considering exchanging for another working device when BAM it turned on suddenly, and now is charging normally (while turned on, mind you) and im going to hope it was just a random fluke.. either way i have insurance on it and i work for at&t so im not THAT worried, just seems like there might be some type of issue with the phone charging when powered off...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pangjeff:
PeterHTC,

Thank you for the information so far. I have a question about the warranty process for the international HTC One X. Since we're in Canada, what is our method of support and getting replacements and repairs etc? Is it a much bigger hassle?

Thanks
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dryspuri:
Hey Peter,

Thanks for all the info, I am from Uk I have got international one x, had flickering issue, but not that noticeable as with latest update, but whats FRUSTRATING for me is Live wallpaper kinda pause while changing home screens, waking up phone, so even though i read that one x with quadcore has advantage, I doubt that.

what i would like to ask to you is that what is livewallpaper performance in one xl with s4 on sense 4 launcher. will you please make a video of live wallpaper and changing screens.

I am thinking of selling this and getting one xl from AT&T
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] lifeisamystery:
Upgrading from a much less capable phone....

So far as I understand from this (and many other) thread/site, the one XL has better battery, less (if any) bugging issues, more crisp camera renderings, yet smaller storage. I dont know if there is anything like this available (please let me know if there is!) but since the XL allows for USB on the go, is there something (memory wise) that I could leave plugged into the phone, much like a nano USB receiver for a wireless mouse? My idea is that a person could use APP2SD and move their apps over to the external memory and still be able to use them, like you would on an SD card. I may be dreaming high here, but for the better performing phone, I would not object to having a small protrusion from the side of my device in order to have the best of both worlds. I will be upgrading to the XL in march, (want to watch the threads and make sure the device is reliable before I buy) coming from a ZTE Merit. (feel free to laugh hysterically at my pathetic 185 MB of internal storage....) so the idea of actually having apps on my phone is awesome :) (ok I have like 4 apps on it, ya laugh away). I will be putting the XL on Straighttalk's service via their SIM Card (only 10.00 for the card) and I get unlimited everything for 45 a month :) been with them for almost 3 years now and I have never had any issues with them. now that they offer a BYOP (Bring Your Own Phone) as long as it is a gsm phone, I couldnt be happier! Anyways, any advise on my external memory idea would be great, thanks all!! :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
I'll try it ...

I'll try your suggestion sometime this weekend. I also agree with vioalas that it can take several days for a battery to set itself, and sometimes a few weeks.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Test 1 / Test 2 Comparisons ...

After a second round of testing, here are Test 1/Test 2 comparisons. They are virtually identical (with the exception of Vellamo, where there was a significant improvement). Numbers in brackets () are the average scores for the international unit.

AnTuTu: 7002 / 7001 (10576)

Quadrant: 4851 / 4833 (4670)

Vellamo: 2184 / 2360 (1608)

CF: 12725 / 12750 (xxxx)

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Data Speed Test Results Tonight ...

I will provide data Speed Test results tonight when I'm at home. The signal in my office is poor, and that's not just LTE, but the overall cell signal.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Pirateghost:
It will probably not be there, or at least it won't actually work if you select one of the options. They did the same thing with the vivid.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
Does it constantly look for LTE, or does it not matter since its the same SoC?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Artimus009:
that is where you come in and save us Pirate...:D:D:D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] cue_32:
I have just gotten my hands on this beast too...unfortunately its temporary as it is a review unit from Rogers.

So far I'm pretty impressed with the battery life on it. It feels great to hold with the nice curves of a woman. Im glad I didn't pick up the International version though, cause the lack of LTE would definitely make the experience less enjoyable. Once you go LTE, you just can't go back.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] alwayslearning:
do not let your international X battery die! There is a lot of discussion that the phone can not charge when it is off or in recovery when you have a custom recovery installed or you will brick the phone; because you can't remove the battery. I would not test it that way or you could kill your phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hemlocke:
Interesting results. I may jump to the ATTENTION unit since it seems they are pretty even. I would miss the development support, but welcome my new LTE overlord.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
If that's the case.. he Should find out so he can return it and get a working phone. There's no reason for that to happen. My opinion a least.

Oh, I just read the custom recovery bit. Well that's different.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] danada:
My Rogers One X charges when it is off (red indicator led). Hopefully this isn't a problem on our units.

~dan
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Thank you for the notice ...

Well, it's now the middle of the evening, and I'm back. Unfortunately, there isn't much more I can tell you at this point. The last few hours have been filled with getting home, dinner, and playing with my daughter. She's in bed now, so it's time to play with the phone again.

Thank you, alwayslearning, for the heads-up concerning the potential battery issue on the international version. I definitely will not allow the battery to deplete fully.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
I will test the LTE theory ...

I'll test your theory later tonight, probably after my wife goes to bed. I'm pretty sure the ability to shut off LTE will work, but I won't know for sure until I test it. Fortunately, when the phone is using LTE, the letters LTE show up above the signal bars.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
One physical difference re the Camera ...

With my two units, there is a significant physical difference between them.

The glass cover over the camera on my international version is absolutely flush with the camera frame (the part that sticks out and has been the topic of much negative discussion).

However, this is not the case on the Rogers unit. The glass cover is perhaps 1/2mm to 1mm below the frame. It's not much, but certainly a lot when you consider putting your phone down on a surface that's somewhat rough. At least there's a bit of space now.

Peter

Addendum: Original entry removed. I was wrong. The charging light finally changed to green, just like the international version. However, with the Rogers unit, both the orange charging light and the green fully charged light are much easier to see.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
Can you please show us a picture?? This would be marvelous!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hemlocke:
I'll be following this thread pretty closely because if the Rogers/ATT version stays close to the international version, I can't see a reason not to trade my international for an ATT version. How is the hspa+ performance? I don't have LTE locally.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gn0s1s:
I can confirm it is not flush, about half a mm indent. Pulled the trigger and bought the XL as well as already having the X. Just waiting for my unlock code to clear (painfully waiting). Will put the phone through its paces as i ve had the One X international for almost 2 weeks now.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
I'll take pictures ...

I will take pictures of both cameras, but give me until tomorrow.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Will have data performance later tonight ...

I will provide data performance, for both LTE and just HSPA+ later tonight.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] BarryH_GEG:
According to HTC Asia, the One X and One XL are slighty different in size. The internals are probably different also because the S4 has imbedded radios where Teg3 requires a seperate radio. So the PCB is likely different. While the specs and functions are the same they're probably two different phones internally.

One XL

Size: 134.8 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm

Weight: 129 grams with battery

One X

Size: 134.36 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm

Weight: 130 grams with battery

This varies by phone based on where the LED is placed during manufacturing. My gray one can't be seen from the side where a white I had briefly lit up the entire room at night.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Same here ...

Same here. The green charged light was almost like a pin-point on my international version, and was very difficult to see from the side, but face-on it was bright. Whereas, the orange and green LEDs on the Rogers unit are much brighter, and easily seen from the side.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] x3phyr:
That's pretty boss that we get the recessed camera glass. I hope it gets by far less scratches.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] americasteam:
I'm really interested to see if the camera performs better when shooting 1080p videos. From what I've seen, the International version's frame rate gets fairly low at times. Have you noticed any difference?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Haven't tested video yet ...

I haven't tested the camera, or the video yet. I will at some point, but probably in a few days.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Data Speed Results ...

I left my international version at work, so I couldn't do a direct comparison. Hopefully I can provide the comparison tomorrow night.

In the meantime, here are average data results after three tests in each category.

LTE Download: 29.77 to 39.63 Mbps

LTE Upload: 26.28 to 26.83 Mbps

HSPA Download: 5.55 to 6.91 Mbps

HSPA Upload: 1.09 to 2.71 Mbps

The LTE is amazing, if I may say so. Not to mention that I was only getting 1-3 bars with LTE, yet I was still able to get fantastic speeds. I was getting 5 bars for the HSPA tests.

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] wai_lai416:
too bad the storage space on this thing is sub 10gb with no expansion.. or i'd trade my international in ~ i don't like dropbox much
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Hemlocke:
Those LTE numbers are just disgusting. Very nice, do want.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] lilhyper:
Given the limited storage, 1080p video is basically useless. You're going to get about 5 minutes of video recording?

Btw Peter those LTE numbers are amazing. I hope it's just as fast in Palo Alto as it is in Canada. I'll find out.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] toastyy:
Hadn't thought of that... That's really depressing. I wonder how large 15 mins of 1080p would be.:confused:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] hannibal2469:
Hi everyone

Is it just me or does the one xl look lesser and lesser amazing as compared to the one x cause other than the lte part of the one xl it doesnt look like it has much over the one x, as the benchmarks show that the s4 is more or less the same in performance both cpu and gpu wise.

Not to mention the disastrous 16 gb memory of the xl. Moreover as we know that the bulk of the battery is used up by the screen which is the same in both phones, the lower power consumption of the s4 in the xl wont help battery life really that much.

So it looks like the deciding factor would be whether u want more memory or lte

which by the way is a bit of overkill and expensive if u ask me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Taknarosh:
I don't think anyone expected it to be AMAZINGLY better than the Tegra 3 One X...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] hannibal2469:
What i meant was that the initial hype coming from websites like anandtech and engadget which showed that the s4 was way better than the tegra 3, made people think that the one xl would be a better choice for everyone except for the 16 gb mem part, but now it does not really look all that better in performance than the tegra 3
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
I think that most of the people that put this much effort into learning about the processors knew what they were getting themselves into. With those tests by anandtech they had phones that were test units for the processor itself.

I'm glad I'll have LTE. And the 16gb just takes getting used to, but I've learned to manage just fine.

It's just what you have to deal with.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] david_ag:
There's people on both side of the fence. Some people will not be able to deal with the limited storage, while some won't care and go for the goodies.

I never expected the S4 to be far better than the T3, I knew they were similar at best. I for one would not pay $500 X 2 (2 phones will be upgraded) for the international version when I can get the ATT version for $150 X 2 which includes LTE and won't care on the limited space.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Initial Battery Impressions ...

Well, good morning to those of you in North America, and good afternoon to those of you in Europe. Good evening for others.

My initial impression of the battery is good. I would not say excellent, just good. Although there is a distinct advantage to having that 5th core in the international unit, since it consumes almost zero power when the phone is in flight mode, the S4 seems to consume less than my previous phones.

For example, previously, when my phone automatically went into sleep mode at 11pm each evening, and then automatically woke up again at 7am the next morning, I would lose, on average, anywhere from 6-8% of battery. With the Rogers unit, this is now about 3-5%.

Just a simple test so far, and may be meaningless in the long run, but it's still a measurement nonetheless.

Peter

Addendum: I now have even better news. I discovered a few moments ago that the phone was NOT in airplane mode through the night. I just noticed that my phone was locked to what I call my HOME EVENING profile. I did this manually last night to bypass the automatic NIGHT (airplane) profile ... to allow me to perform additional testing; however, I forgot to put it back to automatic mode. So, basically, the phone was asleep, but it was also ON and connected to Wifi all night. Given that it lost only about 4%, that's VERY good.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
No Headphones ...

I want to confirm a comment made by endiz in another post.

The Rogers unit does NOT come with headphones. All that's in the box are five things:

The phone

USB cable

Charger

Special device to open the SIM slot (although a paperclip works equally well)

Documentation

Peter
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] PeterGuru:
Call NAME Display ...

A question was asked by Flyarnk in another forum about an alleged problem with call NAME display. Here's the link:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25112559&postcount=1

I just did a test and can confirm that call NAME display works perfectly.

Peter