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[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] jwischka:
Understood.

However, as a Xoom user, I noticed quite a bit of difference in day-to-day usage between HC and ICS, even though in many regards they are quite similar.

Certainly there will be changes, and having Chrome will be an important addition - to be clear, one that does not come out of the box. Also, to be completely fair, I was not able to install anything on the Tab 2 that I played around with - the addition of Nova Launcher might have altered my opinion. However, the underlying structure (settings, menus, etc.) have little between them in 3.2/4.0.3 on the Tab Plus/Tab 2.

What I was mainly trying to express was that Samsung has gone to great lengths to make ICS and HC look as identical as possible, to the extent that in simply picking up the two tablets out of the box, you would be hard pressed to tell which one was which without doing something like trying to install Chrome, or going to the settings screen to check the version.

My personal experience using ICS on a Galaxy Nexus and my Xoom is that Google focused a large amount of effort into improving the user experience. It seems silly to say that the experience is greatly improved by using better fonts and colors, but in many ways it's the little touches like that which do give a polish you did not see in HC. Samsung's approach has basically been to eliminate all of this, and stick with the familiar TW interface, which will be familiar to those who are already on HC, but certainly does not offer a quantum improvement in terms of usability (by definition).

Clearly TW/no TW is a preference thing. My personal opinion is that it brings no value whatsoever, and in fact detracts from the experience. I would far prefer to be on a stable AOSP build. To each his own.

Again, my main point was to say that those who are looking for ICS to be "way different" or "way better" than HC on the Tab Plus will, I think, be disappointed. There are improvements under the hood, but by and large, I suspect that *most* users (read: people like my parents) wouldn't be able to tell you the difference if you paid them cash money. Then again, my mother couldn't tell you the difference between an iPhone and a Nexus if you paid her cash money, so that may be a bad example.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] yahknow1:
If this is anything like my Samsung phone (granted I'm rooted and on an ICS ROM) I can switch to either launcher I choose, I dont need to stay with TW launcher? I would imagine that's what this will be like too? No?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] jwischka:
Correct, though anything that's not associated with the launcher (e.g. tablet settings menus) will still have the TW styling.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] The_Double:
I just want to get rid of the idiotic screenshot button. And I hope ICS will help the AOSP/CM9/AOKP roms.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Vivified:
You can change that function FYI. For me it opens up the app drawer.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] yahknow1:
I didn't realize you could do that? must be in settings>display?.. ah found it settings>screen>quick launch

Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Seamonkey79:
Yea, changing it is all well and good, but no matter what it is, it gets in my way at least once a day :-) although I am glad to not have it as a screenshot button anymore... Changed it to search, is least obtrusive. I think that button, more than anything else, is what I want gone.

Sent from my GT-P6210
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
I could not agree more, Well put.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] aceofblades:
Looks like ICS is coming to the the galaxy tab 7.0 plus very soon...at least in canada

(according to an article in the sacbeewhich I don't have privileged to link here as of yet)

Forgive my ignorance on this(and any answers would be helpful) but assuming samsung has an update available for a wi-fi version of The galaxy tab plus, why can't the U.S. get it around the same time (maybe samsung will prove me wrong and announce it in the next few days but I won't be holding my breath...)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] XRSTOY1:
Here's the link;)

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/30/4453257/samsung-canada-offers-android.html
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] garyd9:
Some amusing things about that article/release:

They don't mention which devices are "select." Later in the article they list which devices are (or will be) "eligible" for the update to ICS, but it'd be a mistake to assume that just because a device eligible that it's included in the "select devices in Canada."

I'm also wondering what happens at the end of the quarter. If you have a "select device" and don't update, do you lose your chance at the end of the quarter? ;)

I wonder which carrier I should contact for more information about my wifi-only tablet...

How do they intend to release a wifi update to only Canadians? Does that include French Canadians? What about Americans that commute north of the border (or vice versa?)

Something else interesting: Samsung had previously announced that the older original Galaxy Tab will _not_ be getting ICS. However, this press release includes the "Galaxy Tab 7.0" as being "eligible."

Personally, I don't believe a single thing Samsung announces anymore until I see proof. Their marketing and sales departments are starting to remind me of American politicians: full of lies and BS.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] sharljimhtsin:
also waitting for the ICS OTA of P6200 :-)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] ldloh2:
I think they saw that many dev made ICS working on the old Tab 7, so they realized that the old tab actually capable of running ICS. Their lazy dev team don’t even border to try to work on it and simply disqualified the old Tab 7. I had the old tab 7 before and installed the ICS Beta RC1 and it ran so much faster than the original gingerbread.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] mjrjax:
My God, this is what I've been looking for for ages in settings. First thing I do when I get back from work tonight is changing that setting. That screenshot button is terrible.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
Does this mean you got the new upgrade?

EDIT: sorry lost track of the thread, I should not post before 6:00 am....;-)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Haesslich:
No, it means he found out about the shortcut option in the Settings -> Display area.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] dav3yb:
so still no word from anyone about this update rollout?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] fewt:
Just talked to Samsung support, I know it may not be accurate, but..
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
/slightly off-topic/

If 7.7 got a nice stable CM9 and there was no development progress here, I think I would trade-upgrade to P6800.

/just saying/ and thats about the only other device im interested in right now. #BIGDOG

peace.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] leodfs:
In a week time? What kind of expression is that? Just to clarify, this update only can be done with a PC? That update section on About, upgrade the firmware as well?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
should be either one Kies or OTA.

*fingers crossed*

(I would safely assume this means absoluetly nothing relevant to GT-P6200)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
New version of Kies Today, Ver 2.3.1.12044_18 no ICS still ..
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Vivified:
So we have to register now?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
you GO!, way to hassle them monkeys!

*goes to register*
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] leodfs:
those support guys are making me frustrated. samsung software update on market?

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[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Brabusik:
they are talking like robots)well thats the second conversation where they say that update would be in couple weeks)lets wait guys I think that annoying technical support is good idea)sorry for my english)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] wortez:
I still cant register. It tells me I need a hex/imei number... and I dont have one... I have a wifi only tab... Wtf... How can we register?[/I] Never mind... I was using a "0" instead of an "O" damn this super small print... or maybe im just getting old :p
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Brabusik:
guys could you give me the link to contact samsung online customer support)wanna speak with them too))
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] fewt:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ - Right side of the page towards the bottom you'll find a general live chat link. That's the one I used, no need to register.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
Im unable to register. even went to samsung.com/my/ (malaysia)

GT-P6200 UWAXME has a product page. but in registration there is no GT-P6200 model number. It also wants a malaysian national ID number, etc. and my warranty number!, ( I thought s why I was registering..) uggghh. I can call support at -->1800-88-9999 <--exactly how it is typed/displayed on their website and ewarranty card that came with unit. I dont think they're missing a digit there.

Anyways, I dont think we need to register to get the update. I just think registered devices may get the first notifications. It may only be wifi devices as they are not always connected to a network.

I'll get it soon enough, one way or another.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] tzacapaca:
no news from Canadian fellas? :(
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Haesslich:
As Gary said earlier, Samsung only said the devices would be eligible - not that they'd get ICS on May 1. The Galaxy SII devices in various carriers are rolling out now, but no ICS so far for the Tab 7.0 Plus.

Both AndroidCentral and MobileSyrup have previously announced releases when there were none for the Galaxy Nexus which got quoted by everyone, when there was either no announcement, or when someone posted a screenshot of a YAKJU device (Canada uses YAKJUUX), and that got repeated all over as truth. So I'm. Not surprised by the lack of updates. Only at the gullibility of online sites that repeat one person's item as gospel.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
This situation just outlines the Need for a Nexus Tab. I got my ICS update for the Nexus S a week after launch. GT-P6210 is more current hardware, and this wait is just mind blowing.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Haesslich:
Read my response above - the non-YAKJU Galaxy Nexus phones aren't really getting updated promptly either... so the idea of a 'Nexus Tablet' being better at updates is blown out of the water by an existing Nexus example. The only good thing there is the bootloader would be unlocked by default. It's more like Google's catching Samsung Syndrome.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
this is way off topic, sorry folks, feel free to message me off line if you don't understand my point. sorry for the distraction.. @Haesslich if you had a Nexus you would understand the difference. go look at the Nexus S Development forum for am example...

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=883

More than a dozen ROMs and counting...
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Haesslich:
I have a YAKJUUX Galaxy Nexus. I know that I'm talking about. And I know that i was under the impression Google directly updated the phones... only to discover that Samsung releases the updates Google gives them. Eventually. And the Nexus S ICS release was almost six months late. It was more prompt when it was HTC making Nexus phones.

ICS 4.0.3 is available on the Acer Iconia A100. Most YAKJUUX Nexus phones are on 4.0.1 and are waiting for 4.0.2, while 4.0.4 was released to only the YAKJU phones.

I won't count on a Nexus Tablet being any better, not with two late-updating Nexus products. Not if they region-differentiate and delay updates the way they have. It seems to be Samsung is wearing the pants in their relationship. I wonder if they'll pass Samsung Syndrome to ASUS next.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] johnnycooper:
Use you serial number
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Seamonkey79:
I do believe he's talking more about the viability of source for a device rather than updates via the manufacturer. Not having the source hurts the 7+ far more than just not having a Samsung firmware for it does.

Sent from my GT-P6210
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] DebauchedSloth:
Exactly. The kernel source (and associated binary blobs) was available for all the Nexus devices either before they shipped or very soon thereafter, meaning that the latest versions of the various OS releases was available almost immediately, even for devices not updated by the manufacturer or carrier.

If this was true of the tab+, we'd all be running ICS right now.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Haesslich:
IIRC, the source releases only got updated to 4.0.4 recently, and are still missing the Nexus zero-lag camera and other features that made a Nexus a Nexus.

Still, ICS source code would improve the situation. But even Google has been slow to release code, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] nmccready:
This should help with at least some decent ROMS.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] tzacapaca:
for guys still having doubts about ICS upgrade:

ICS for GALAXY Note, GALAXY S II LTE, GALAXY R, GALAXY Tab 7.0 Plus, 7.7, 8.9, 8.9 LTE and 10.1 will follow soon.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/sams...dwich-upgrade-for-galaxy-s-ii/390405030989148

;)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] garyd9:
A facebook post... Even still, a post that was made 2 months ago. "Soon" is a very loose term and can mean just about anything.

My daughter asks when dinner is, and I tell her "soon" (meaning in the next 20 minutes.) Later that day, my daughter asks me when she'll be old enough to date boys, and I again tell her "soon" (meaning in 20 years or when I'm dead - whichever comes later.)

Samsung say's ICS will be released for XYZ device "soon." Does that mean in the next few days, or in 20 years? I guess we'll find out soon. ;)

Gary
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] leodfs:
The Facebook link was helpful, look on the comments and see how many people liked the ics update on the sii, and how it is bug free. I don't know about you, but that put a brake on my anxiety.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
Glad you feel better, however HTC has already released the Kernal source code for the One X. A device that's been out in the wild for only a few weeks. I am not seeing any love from Samsung at this point. I can just see them heave a pile of touchwiz bloated crap at us, not the awesome ICS experience I am hoping for. It just makes me start looking for a way to jump ship..
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] robyr:
Samsung confrms the update and all you people do is whine. Seriously, did you think they were going to up and drop Touchwiz? Just because YOU don't like it?s
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] tzacapaca:
I like your example and you are right that soon have different meanings for all of us lol :D

I just wanted to point out that "soon" sounds better than eligible ;),in meaning that we will get ICS...and yes now we need to wait and find out how soon is Sammy's soon
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Haesslich:
They confirmed an update months ago. They didn't say if it'd be obsolete before it came out - and they also said the Galaxy S couldn't handle ICS. Note that ICS is faster than Gingerbread on that phone. Note that some Galaxy phones only JUST got GB this month in the U.S.

Until they release, it's not confirmed.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
Let's remember there aren't any carriers to push for this ether. so Samsung will be taking their sweet old time.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] ccpotato:
if i confirm you are an idiot, does it make it true?

until samsung RELEASES ICS, nothing they say matters.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] superbleester:
So if I'm rooted how will I get the update?

Sent from the future.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] garyd9:
Update? What update? ;)

We've waited long enough now that the ice cream has all melted out of the sandwich, and all thats left now is a soggy brown cookie-like thing called "touchwiz." (not to be confused with cheese-wiz.)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] rtfm1777:
No whining here. With a rooted HC 7+ I'm still extremely happy with what I bought. Mildly interested if ICS ever does show up. But the upgrade treadmill is a losing game. How long until we start complaining that ICS is trash and when are they going to release (what is it Jello? Jujubees" "Junket Rennet Custard")?

Release the source code? Yes, do it Samsung, now. ICS? Whatever.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] NIKKG:
Well Engadget just said that Samsung just started rolling out ICS for the Galaxy Note. Hopefully, the tabs are next on the list. Maybe Samsung isn't rolling out everything at once because their servers won't be able to handle millions of devices downloading 400 meg files all at once.

Also, I'm sure that with upgrades that some peoples devices might get messed up for unknown reasons and Samsung's customer service workers are probably getting flooded with calls for help with every rollout.

So overall, it just makes logical sense for the company to not rush and upgrade every device at once. We just have to stay patient and let them do their thing.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Falcon1:
What's wrong with the ICS updates?

Today, I went to the Technology store to see what's new in tablets and I found that the SONY S TABLET has ICS Ice Cream Sandwich already installed on it and the vendors told me that the updates come via software upgrade from the own tablet automatically. I felt terrible because I paid almost the same amount of money for the samsung galaxy tab plus p6210 that it still comes with 3.2 honeycomb version. What happens with Samsung that it is saying that the updates are coming via Kies or from the same tablet?, but they are treating us as fools.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] maruf010:
You might be right on your thoughts! We probably won't see any ICS release for our Plus till 2015, cause Samsung bringing Jelly Bean for our device SOON! (Around 2019, hang in there)
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] Fairy Princess:
It wasn't funny the first time and certainly isn't amusing now...
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] wolverine38812:
so i just did a live chat with samsung and this is what they said... hopefully if we are lucky, its true and we don't have to wait for ICS much longer!!! expected to be released in June :)

Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.

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Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK56401044527X

Nicole: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?

Visitor: Hello i own the Galaxy tab 7.0 plus Model Number gt-p6210, i wanted to know when i can expect an update to ics

Nicole: Are you referring to Wi-fi tablet?

Visitor: yes

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Visitor: thank you

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Visitor: Hello i own the Galaxy tab 7.0 plus Model Number gt-p6210, i wanted to know when i can expect an update to ics

Ryan: I understand that you want to know when you can update your tab firmware with ICS. Is that correct?

Visitor: yeah

Ryan: Thank you for confirming.

Ryan: To receive the latest updates, we suggest you register the device with Samsung using the registration options available on the device. You can register the device by going to Settings -> Accounts & Sync -> Add Account -> SamsungAccount.

Visitor: i have all ready registered my tablet with samsung, when can i expect an ics update to be relessed

Ryan: If you receive a message to update your Tab OS to the latest version, Ice Cream Sandwich, accept the download. If you didn't't receive any notification then ICS is not avabiliable for your tab model number.

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[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
This seems like a more certain solution.. and should be sooner as well!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1576553
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
why do i think oem developers wait for custom rom builds, to help them put together otas.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] robyr:
That is the dumbest thing ever posted on XDA, and that's saying a lot.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] k_t_b:
I disagree.

Sure, that idea doesn't make sense, but I was slightly amused.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] chrisrotolo:
has been my personal past experiences with dell streak 5 and streak 7, actually holds truth for streak 7 from what I understand. I know its not entirely true, but to some point, its the only reasoning I can think of.

most of the developers I believe are in contracts which probably prevent them from speaking about products, trade secrets, etc. So I dont expect them to come here and leak firmwares and drivers(although it would be helpful), but who is to say they dont visit these sites?

I understand this sounds ridiculous. The fact that it takes a large company like samsung to release builds that one or two guys do in their spare time, puzzles us all Im sure.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] cdrom1028:
So in my professional life I have seen many views of this situation. Working for software companies, major Call Center companies, and Cellular Carriers. Here is what I know to be true , take it as you will...

1) Call centers have several scripts designed to handle questions from which the answer is beyond their control,. These scripts are designed to avoid conflict and get you off the phone so they can fix something for some one else, or take money from them. ex: your update is due in the month of ---insert next month here ---

2) Software companies are A.D.D. Beyond belief. They chase ever changing priorities in circles. The update is mostly done and has been for months.. .. .. Squirl ?

3) Software engineers are very competitive. Professional software engineers hate to be showed up. Period!!! Especially by hobbiest types, no mater how qualified.

lastly I have this assumption which is largely based on the public product announcements of Samsung. They are now selling many Exynos based ICS devices. They have continuously standardized internal hardware to bring products to market quickly and at lowest possible cost...

4) they have the damn code just sitting around somewhere.

Lastly, I think we are all better off with a CM9 variant for performance, Value, and feature reasons..

Please support @aorth, follow the thread, get involved, it looks like we are not far off from having a truly awesome OS for our toys....
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] painter_:
Great response! ^
[Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus] garyd9:
He didn't specify which year, did he? Just "June." This reminds me of "Q1" and "May." I wonder if in June (2012) they'll update their scripts to "July"...