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[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
This is my opinion on it, I pay for 5G's of high speed data. As long as I do not go over that 5G's of data. It should not matter to T-Mobile how I use that 5G's. Now if I was constantly going over the 5G's then T-Mobile has a right to step in and ask me to pay more for that service. I think this is a clear invasion of personal privacy because in esscense T-Mobile is saying regurdles if you have already paid for a service you can not use said service in any manor you want to.

Now it is amazing they annnounce this when a major softwRe update is released. Even though T-Mobile has not said it has anything to do with the update, it is rather implied because it happen with the update. Most average consumers are going to just assume it is because of the update and simply except it. So this is clearly a ploy by T-Mobole to do this with as little recoil from the consumer.

Oh and yeah and about the comment about, "A conspirarcy theory that actually makes some sense." If that makes sense to you, then I do not see why the other could not, it is still about making more money. A different means to the same end.

Edit: Also just because a company makes a long T&C statement using big legal words. All that does is protect the company from being sued. It does not make it eithicial or fair to the consumer. In the end all it really is is a peace of paper that trys to convience you that it is nothing wrong with a particular action by the company.
[HTC Sensation] Ndokami:
+1

dude i was thinking the same thing.

I like how they just hide it in there like no one will notice.

this is the reason why I'm staying rooted.
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
Couldn't have said it better. I'll just quote you in case anyone missed your post... :D
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
I wonder how different T-mobiles update will be from the Cincinnati Bell update. Does the CB update have the HotSpot setting in it?
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
I hate to say it but complaining about having to pay for a feature or service is just stupid. You don't own the service, you're just "renting" it so you really don't have any rights as far as dictating use of the service. If I want to watch "game of thrones" I need to pay HBO for that right, there is no other legal way I can get it. Same with tethering, you don't own the technology so you don't get to pick how it's used. Sorry, that's just the way things work.
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
I can't say for certain, but it should since that's an HTC built in feature. As far as I can tell, TMOUS is blocking that function from their end. The feature should still be built into the update, but you won't be able to use it... You'll just get a blocked message like this:

---------- Post added at 10:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 AM ----------

I pm'd tmo_tim regarding possible chrome beta issues:

I'm not sure, but if there's an issue then unblocking may involve enabling wifi tether on their end. Suffice it to say, that will be the first thing I check with the update and will promptly be on the phone with c/s if it's blocked... :)
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
As long as I can tether with a USB cable when I need to, I guess I really don't care.
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
Then prepare to care...

It's not exclusive to wifi-tethering...
[HTC Sensation] rawrfische:
Having to pay for tethering in any form is nothing new. Like mentioned earlier, T-Mo is just one of the last carriers to actually enforce it. I came from an AT&T iPhone and AT&T would literally send you a nasty text message saying that a tethering plan would be added to your account if they caught you tethering again.

Seeing as how this is XDA and we're on Androids, I'm pretty hopeful that workaround apps like the one Darnell_Chat_TN posted will get us by just fine.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Thank god. We'll finally be able to use Wi-Fi Calling on custom ROMs.
[HTC Sensation] toreone:
So, you guys where talking about the wifi tethering. You are able to do this on a custom rom without any problems right.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Whether you're tethering via cable or custom ROM I have heard from people who claim to work in the field that the carrier can detect it. A PC simply does not pull data in a manner a small handheld phone would. The whole matter is beyond my level. But I've been told they can tell. And I've also read reports that even some people using custom ROMs have been blocked at times. The more you use it, the higher the odds you'll be caught, period. Does not matter how.

I came to T-Mobile from Sprint. And Sprint was doing everything that T-Mobile is starting to do now back 10 years ago. Back in the days when Palm and Windows Mobile ruled the roost and Android did not exists. So given the full rear view and comparison with their peers in the industry. I totally applaud T-Mobile for holding out till things were so tight for them that they had to change their way of handling it.

As was said, we rent the services, we don't own them and so we don't control it. Nothing is gained by us going back and forth on the issue. What is important is that we make the best plays given the circumstances. Sharing ideas of how to deal with reality can help everyone make the best informed moves going forward. I've already offered my take. But this further begs the question of what does anyone gain by staying stock? Wait for updates that remove apps :rolleyes: ...???
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
This is for all those that say things like, "This is no new news", It is in the T&C's ", "You don't own the service". All this may be true, but it does nothing to make this something that should be excepted by the consumer. When you buy a mobile device, you by the device and therefore own the device and should have the right to use the device how ever you so choose. Is this not why you are here on XDA? So you can use your device as you want and get the full potential of your device with out restrictions by the OEM or Carrier. WiFi tethering and USB tethering is a feature of the device and therefor you should be able to use that feature without any penalty or negative recourse.

If we as a society continue to just except things like this as the norm. As if it is really nothing wrong with it. Then things like this will just continue to get worse and more drastic. It is time people stand up for themselves and no longer let big business just do as it pleases. You do have a voice, use it, and when you combine your voice with others it is even more powerful.

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[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
I think you are missing the point of what I was saying Tmag. Yes, you own the phone but you don't own the actual service. You didn't create the cell towers or servers and all the rest of the infrastructure that makes cellular service possible. A company has a right to earn money, that's how business works. I understand what you are saying but that's just not reality. The biggest message you can send is to cancel your Tmo service if you are really that angry with them, but I'd like to hear what you find as far as free options go.
[HTC Sensation] steve841:
Just wonder how long until the talent around here puts this puppy up rooted and ready for prime time.

Hmmmmm ??????
[HTC Sensation] Rackfoo:
In December of last year TMO offered me an upgrade to 5Gigs of data and wifi hotspot for an additional $10/month. I jumped on it and haven't looked back. My bill with everything is still $20 cheaper per month than my girlfriend's who subscribes to Sprint. Notice I called her a SUBSCRIBER which means that she pays a fee for access to good or service. How she may access the good or service is spelled out in the terms and conditions. If you don't like the terms or conditions then don't subscribe.

Hey, I'm not a fan of T&C's but it's not like TMO bait and switched us. You may have gotten away with it for awhile, but now the free ride is over. You can always choose to NOT upgrade.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
No we do not own the infrastructure, but we do pay a monthly fee for a set amount of use of that infrastructure. For a carrier to tell you that you can not use your set amount of usage of said infrastructure as you want is a cut and dry invasion of your personal privacy and rights.

Yes a company has the right to make money, after all that is why any company is started. But this does not give them the right to miss use and miss treat consumers for the name of profits?

Yes I am angry, but I am not angry because T-Mobile wants to start charging for WiFi and USB tethering. I am angry because people seem to want to just except it and say, "That is just the way it is and it is nothing we can do about it." I myself very rarely use the WiFi or USB tethering anymore as I have WiFi at home now and most of the places I go that I can use my computer, tablet, or phone have free WiFi. But still this is a feature of current mobile devices and consumers should not be penalized for using it unless they exceed their allotted usage.

As far as sending a message to T-Mobile or any other carrier by cancelling my account. That idea is null and void unless a huge mass of people all do it together.

As far q a free service, you got me there, bit to be honest with you, in this modern age we live in. Money is a outdated resource that is no longer needed for our survival as a species. So it is nothing but greed that fuels companies to take steps such as this.
[HTC Sensation] Rackfoo:
Cool story bro. So what are you suggesting that we do other than "excepting" it?
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Start a awareness group and make flyers to hand out in front of T-Mobile stores. Start a website and publish proof of this being nothing more than a marketing ploy. Contact what ever official government representative you may have (it would be my state governor, senator, congress man, and attorney general). Contact the better business bureau or the equal organization in your country. Contact a news outlet and tell them your story along side of showing them proof it is just a way for T-Mobile to charge you more money. Contact consumer rights groups and voice your view with them. Rent a billboard and voice your views on it. Just do something, don't just lay down and take it.
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
Occupy T-Mobile... We don't know what we want, but we know how to protest! :D
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
except ≠ accept

EDIT:

FYI: Steve0007 posted the update in the development forum.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1654347
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
When you earn fuel perks from giant eagle, you earn that on 30 gallons. But you are only allowed to fill one car. If your car only holds 10 gallons you are screwed out of 20 gallons of fuel perks, yet I don't see outrage in the internet about that. It's your perks, you should be able to fill as many cars as you want, right? Wrong , unless you go get gas cans and fill them up. That's how you get around it. T-mobile can dictate how you use their network... Face it. Now you just need to figure out a way around it, which I'm sure xda will. Don't get me wrong, I don't like it either, but rules are rules, and we've been allowed to break them for a long, long time.
[HTC Sensation] AudiHeel:
Since I bought my Sensation last year -- Hotspot has worked free, I think, even tho they said it was 50 cents per day, if you use it.

So now it will be $15 a month? Not even 50 cents a day like they said it would be months ago?

I think I'd rather keep my Sensation "as is" with Gingerbread and free Hotspot than have ICS and pay $15 a month more.

I only use it a few times a month, but that might be a deal-breaker for me.

I'm turning auto-update off -- my phone may never update again....
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
I had something very strange happen to me this evening. I have had zero trouble using the T-Mobile WiFi calling here at my home, even on both ICS ROMs I have used. But this evening when I got home, I noticed my WiFi calling did not automatically turn on when I turned my WiFi on and connected to my home network. This is something my device has never failed to do this automatically. So I opened my app tray and opened the WiFi calling app. When it opened I saw a screen message on it I have never seen before, even the very first time I got home with my Sensation from buying it.

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Now I can not get my WiFi calling to connect. It just keeps asking me to register. I touch the register button and it never connects. I find this very odd and very curious that this happens on the very day that a date for the release of the official ICS for T-Mobile US is announced. And the release is only two days away. Plus the announcement that if you update you will have to start paying extra for to use the WiFi Hotspot on your Sensation.

I bet they are either just turning down anyone trying to use the WiFi servers that are not on official software, or that they are preparing to start charging for WiFi calling too.

Edit: Gas is a something way more absurd than the WiFi tethering thing. I personally do not look at "face it" as an option. Did you just not get the point of my last rant? And "rules or rules" sorta falls in the same category with me. Sorry
[HTC Sensation] LPChris47:
Dude that happened to me also, and I'm 100% stock, no root.

My WiFi calling won't connect and keeps popping up that "register" bubble.

Maybe it was a bad update? Not sure...
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
I seemed to have fixed mine. Go and clear your cache and try it again. I use App Cache Cleaner to clear mine.
[HTC Sensation] /devnull:
Just tried and WiFi calling works as it always has and I'm rooted, ARHD and SuperCID. Will keep checking over the ensuing days.
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
Funny thing. Wifi calling worked fine all day for the first time on ARHD. I'd have a problem before where it'd register, but calls wouldn't come in, calls out wouldn't go through, and I'd lose a minute an hour on "wifi calling". All's been good today. Haven't touched anything since the last time I tried a few weeks ago.
[HTC Sensation] jcblued:
thank goodness i found xda devs, without which i would of been still on sucky stock rom -

enjoying ICS without the bloatware that comes with stock. and with all optimizations by our great devs here! :) Kudos! :D
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
So you fixed it? What happened to the "tmobile evil corporation conspiracy plot to take over the world" theory?:rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Were is your proof it is not? Seriously man nobody said T-Mobile was going to or is trying to take over the world, you got to love a smart :confused:a$$. It is greed that has taken over the world.

You seem to miss the fact that I have never had that issue before with my WiFi calling. And the fact that someone on a stock device had the same troubles. This tells me T-Mobile is doing something with the WiFi calling. Just not completely sure exactly what yet. I also got luck and found a way to fix it.
[HTC Sensation] Lionhardt:
Just tried out the new stock rom. It's really smooth for a stock rom. This bad boy should be the new base of all new dev roms. It's great.
[HTC Sensation] monkor:
I don't necessarily agree with your gloom and doom scenarios in which T-Mobile, by far the most inexpensive carrier of the major 4, plans to start nickel and diming you at every turn. But I do agree that there is a rational argument for being quite upset about the tethering option, and it's called collusion. All 4 phone companies discovered something which people used that, when morons like AT&T offered unlimited data plans, was being completely abused in a manner not consistent with the average user. AT&T was paying the price for not doing the proper research, so they started charging. Every other phone company followed suit, and it's clear that there is (and has been for years) a lack of oversight and regulation that permits carriers to engage in abusive business practices. The average user hasn't really been protected legislatively by things like this, lately.

There's merit in the argument that the service provider created a contract, which we signed, dictating that the user is NOT entitled to do whatever they want with their data. That being said, I am far from convinced of the fairness ethically of that contract. This paying for tethering argument rings back to Ma Bell in the 1970's, wherein there was only allowed to be ONE phone per line (land line in this case) and it had to be Ma Bell's phone. It didn't work, people started kicking up dust, and the government busted them for anti-trust violations. That's the scenario we're in right now, so in a way T-Macgnolia has a point. Start kicking up dust if you're really that irked about it. It's not your fault that the phone companies failed to factor in the proper infrastructure to handle traffic. This in spite of the fact that they were given billions upon billions of US taxpayer dollars to build this infrastructure which oddly enough means that the network is technically the taxpayers.
[HTC Sensation] vibe2.0:
Noob with a question

Hello, was wondering if anyone knows if after updating with this TMOUS ota update if you will still be able to load a custom rom ?
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
There is a rooted, flashable version already posted in development.
[HTC Sensation] vibe2.0:
That is not what I am asking. I am aware there are already custom ICS roms available.
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
what I'm trying to say is the stock TmoUS update is available as a flashable zip so you can get the update without having to worry about not being able to flash another custom rom later.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1654347
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
So you're saying if you flash with the rooted zip file, it won't re-lock your bootloader, right? I think that's what he was asking.
[HTC Sensation] vibe2.0:
Actually I am completely new here and new to the sensation. I got one a week ago. I have not rooted / unlocked / flashed my stock phone. However I am interested in doing so specifically for the camera mod from NODO-GT

So what I am wondering and perhaps no one knows just yet is if I let the TMOUS OTA STOCK ICS upgrade occur, will it be possible later to flash a custom rom?
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
I think you should get s-off before you try the upgrade to ICS at the very least.
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
Sorry I misunderstood your original question. I agree, if you are going to root I think I would do it before the update, you can always go back and flash the rooted update after.
[HTC Sensation] v2comp:
s-off

thinking about s-off, if I do it through the HTCDEV site, will the OTA ICS update still push to my device or will I HAVE to load a custom rom if I want ICS? sorry for the questions, but I have only worked with changing roms on Windows Mobilem Phones in the past and havent messed with my sensation since I got it.

any clarification will be appreciated.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
If you want to be able to flash ROMs after you flash the update. You must be S-off before you update as it is easier to use Revolutionary to S-off then Juopunutbear to S-off. Revolutionar supports Hboot 1.18.0000, wich you should have if you are on Gingerbread right now. If you update you will have Hboot 1.27.0000 or higher and only Juopunutbear S-off supports those Hboot versions. So just S-off before you update

Being S-off or HTC Dev Unlocked will not prevent you from getting the update pushed to you. But I highly recommend you S-off with Revolutionary, HTC Dev unlock is not a full unlock like E-off and it is a chance you will void your warranty with HTC Dev.
[HTC Sensation] vibe2.0:
Thanks, so doing the S- Off procedure will not prevent me from getting the OTA update?
[HTC Sensation] v2comp:
S-off question.

so do I understand that you dont use the tool at the HTCdev link below to s-off?

http://htcdev.com/bootloader/
[HTC Sensation] v2comp:
I am asking the same question as you. somebody will let us know.
[HTC Sensation] golfwang:
great news
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Glad I just flashed on Elegancia Sense 4.0 ROM yesterday. Now I'm set for the addtions he may fold in from this update, if there's anything worth having :D .

I'd been using Sense 3.6 for so long, I'm beyond that. Sense 4.0 is sweet and the screen rotation actually working perfectly in all orientations is very nice.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
That is the worst way.

You would want to unlock via the instructions here.

The "HTC way" is not the happy path :) .
[HTC Sensation] crisisinthecity:
Sense 4.0 is nice for sure!
[HTC Sensation] crisisinthecity:
S off will still allow you to receive the OTA. Just don't change your Cid or install a custom recovery. Just follow the s off instructions. It is real easy if you follow the guide.
[HTC Sensation] vibe2.0:
Just so I understand, will the new OTA stock rom update alter the phone so you will not at a later date be able to perform S OFF ?

Is it normal for stock oem updates to do this sort of thing?
[HTC Sensation] realsis:
I am just glad to have XDA developers! Thanks to all who worked so hard so I can enjoy my custom ROM and my s off rooted device. I opt not to use the update but to continue to use my custom ROM. You all do such a wonderful job! I want to say to you all I am GREATFUL! Please keep up the great work! You all are wonderful!
[HTC Sensation] strauss0829:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17650056/RU...0U_11.23.3504.07_M2_release_256085_signed.exe

There is ICS RUU link ;-)
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
The update changes your hboot to a version which is not supported by revolutionary. There is the juopunutbear method, but it involves using a wire to jump a terminal to ground and many aren't comfortable with it...
[HTC Sensation] shehrammajid:
Sort of, but that is incorrect. I updated via the RUU last night and I was still S-OFF but my hboot (now 1.27) was locked. All I had to do was download the ICS 3.32 firmware and flash it via hboot and I was back on revolutionary hboot. It wont make you back S-ON....it will just change your hboot to 1.27 Locked and to get it back unlocked to the revolutionary one just flash the regular ICS 3.32 firmware....then you'll have to flash recovery again and ur back to being able to flash custom roms

However I tried the official tmobile ics rom last night and man, I am so DISAPPOINTED in tmobile. I mean they couldnt even freaking fix the autobrightness issue with the camera?! wtf were they "testing" all this time???
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
No if you are already S-off you will remain S-off when you flash the update. If you are S-on and flash the update it does update your Hboot to a Hboot that is not supported by Revolutionary. Then you have to use Juopunutbear to S-off. This is what GROGG8 was saying.

Yes the update will change your your firmware to a firmware with a locked bootloader, but you are still S-off so you just have to flash the custom 3.32 firmware with a unlocked bootloader to be back like you were. But if you are not S-off you can not flash firmwares at all unless it is in a update.
[HTC Sensation] GROGG88:
You're s-off already. Of course you can change hboot... He's questioning whether or not to s-off before flashing the update. :p
[HTC Sensation] shehrammajid:
Ohh gotcha! lol