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[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
i do love my phone and all. I do root my phones when they can be rooted. I do have my nexus s4g rooted from GB then placed a stock rooted ics on it. I love it with ics but it does seem just a tad slow. I am a windows fan and belong to the mind set you can never ever have enough ram. I have 8gb which is the max for my laptop. I really do need more ram on my nexus as i am at about 80% plus of memory according to GO Dev Task Manager from the makers of Go Launcher. I would like my memory usage to be like 10 to 20 percent, but thats me. The nexus is a great phone and i do like the devs who release the latest android builds that are available. I even use windows 8 cp on my laptop as the main os and yes i do duel boot as a precaution with win 7 hp. So i want to give a shout out to all the people that make the devs great.
[Nexus S General] bozzykid:
What happened? Nothing happened. The Nexus line is still the pure Google experience that is used to develop the AOSP. And the Nexus line has never been the latest hardware.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
It's actually contrary to the impression the OP had. After the g1 I don't think the Google phones were any where near the other phones. Camera on the nexus s isn't that great at counter acting movement in the"photographer" as the sgs mastered(tw camera). I can't hear music when I use my phone as an mp3 player, my sgs has a better radio and wifi modem. But despite all that I much rather my nexus s. Having to never use Odin. Using fastboot, factory OEM unlock and re lock, no proprietary bits (until now with the spirit binaries) holding up creating a successful build environment... List goes on...
[Nexus S General] chronophase1:
+1000. Great response. I love the NS community here and how active it is. For me, that's what makes a great phone.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
I myself love the nexus s4g and samsung as you have odin to use. I love odin you can softbrick it and then just go into download mode and then use a pit file and a tar file and your up again. In the epic 4 the tar files even were prerooted.... nice and easy... i used odin to flash more then i did with clockwork mod. I know i saw odin here for the nexus s4g and i love samsung for odin... i hate fastboot with a passion with htc as if you get the "!" screen with htc you better hope that windows decides to take an android 1.0 device driver as it is hit or miss as one boot it may take it and the next it may not. I think android needs a standard like odin. I do like the nexus for sometimes getting updates before other phones but sometimes other phones get the update first like some htc sensation phones got ics before we did for the nexus s 4g, granted the gsm nexus s got it first but we did not.
[Nexus S General] BrianDigital:
What good would a reference phone be if its specs were so sky high all the apps made in reference wouldn't work on someones year old phone.e

We have it so easy with unlocking and relocking its worth it
[Nexus S General] Aequilibrium:
Galaxy Nexus is hardware wise a great device. Not the top dog. That still belongs to Galaxy S II and Note. (not counting HTC One line). But what I don't understand is why Galaxy Nexus hasthe same gpu that Nexus S. I mean, c'mon? Seriously? A PowerVR SGX540 is great for a nexus s. For a galaxy nexus is crap. CPU wise I understand that it wasn't convenient for samsung to have a nexus better or equal to galaxy s II. The gpu thing is ludicrous. I would not buy a galaxy nexus because of that little details. The price is of a top dog equipment, the hardware isn't. Hope the next nexus gets this right.
[Nexus S General] Gambler_3:
Nexus S has better still picture camera than galaxy S. Infact nexus S camera has to be one of the most underrated camera.

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The galaxy nexus GPU is clocked significantly higher than nexus S GPU so it performs noticeably better. It beats the adreno 220 I think.

But I will still agree that it is not good enough because the nexus has 720p resolution which means the GPU will be quickly outdated for future more demanding games.
[Nexus S General] albundy2010:
Your phone is supposed to use ram that it has available. So is your computer. Free ram = wasted ram.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
Nexus line never been top hardware wise

They release just before new tech is available and use software as selling point
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
No its not wasted. By your logic I should use 100% of my ram... that's nuts.
[Nexus S General] albundy2010:
No its not nuts. The phone has a minimum free limit for ram. Use up the ram till that point. Not 100 percent.

Windows also does something similar with its caching into ram system.

The only thing that is nuts is people still not realizing that free ram is wasted ram in 2012.
[Nexus S General] Harbb:
Pretty much correct. Free RAM is wasted RAM. Use the "free" command on your phone or a linux box (or even check out task manager -> performance tab in windows) and see how much RAM is actually not being used.

My phone is showing about 7mb free, which is correct. Other places tell you how much it is ready to clear, such as android telling me i have 200mb free ram in apps -> running, while really it is using ~200mb for cached apps which it is happy to let go of if something comes up requiring RAM, otherwise it keeps it there to be quicker when these cached apps are opened. This doesn't use more battery or slow it down, but when cached app free ram is low things get sluggish for reasons which are probably quite clear.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
Then why is it when more ram is used the slower the PC or phone is. Once again I have 8gb laptop ram and its faster with that then 2 or 4gb ram DDR 3 type. My phone gets to 80mb free its slow on 120mb free its faster.
[Nexus S General] podtalje:
First you need to clarify the meaning of two things.

1. available RAM

More RAM you have, (in most cases, not always) the faster the system will be. This explains why system with 4 GB RAM is faster than the one with 2GB.

And this is something completely different than:

2. free ram

Free RAM means that the system is not using this RAM. That means if you have 4GB of RAM and there is 2GB of free RAM, it is (almost) the same as the system would have only 2GB. That is why it is essential that a good operating system is using as much RAM as it can.

Especially on Android it does not make any sense to have a high number in minfree settings for free RAM. Even if you start a new app, it would not be started much faster, because Android system still need to free the RAM from unused apps to keep the amount of free RAM high.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
ok then what about my system... it has a quad core a6 apu (cpu gpu in one) by amd and 8gb of ddr3 ram. I would still like more if i could but it max out at 8gb for now. As the more i can add the more programs i can run at once. So am i silly for having 8gb?

and you are right free ram is what the system is not Currently using. and by having that free ram it helps when you want to open other programs like ms word or power point... which by the way use a ton of ram.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Comparing your desktop to the phone is a bad analogy. The phone doesn't see labor intensive processes like encoding multi media, power point, java compilers etc. a normal internet mostly PC user would never touch 8 gigs nor need a 64 bit OS to enable over 4. Yes you can tax the desktop to use around what 6 and still have two unused, but the phone is very efficient at using what it has. Android is designed to manage it's own heap and you don't need to interact with that process. Killing apps to free this ram is counter acting what the phone is designed to do that is use 90 percent of your ram as efficient as using 10 percent while holding references to the last state each used app is in. If your phone isn't efficient enough for your taste perhaps the phone is in need of an upgrade lol not knocking you just when your understand how it works underneath you realize it's doing what it was designed to do.

Sent from NS4G Pool Party
[Nexus S General] resetreflectt:
If it's not top dog then tell me why the Galaxy Nexus Sprint pre orders sold out in 3 days? Nexus lines are pretty much perfect for the nerds inside of us. They're not supposed to have the best specs, they're supposed to have the best optimization to make the phone feel like it has the best specs.
[Nexus S General] albundy2010:
Silly for having 8gb of ram not quite. If you're not actually using the 8gb ever and thinking just having more ram is better/faster then yeah. That's silly.

I got 8 in my desktop. If I dropped it down till two I would never notice it ever doing daily stuff. Or anything at all that didn't require more than 2gb from the system. Even in single channel mode since it would only be one stick and you wouldn't notice.

Simply put. Free ram is wasted ram. It its just sitting there not doing anything then its doing just that. Not doing anything.

On another note if you did manage to use up all 8gb of ram on your system at any given the time your system would be bogged down by bottlnecks other than being out of ram for the most part. System would come to crawl due to the hdd/CPU I/O bottleneck first.
[Nexus S General] g1user101:
it is top notch. galaxy nexus is sold like crazy! nexus s is still going on too

Sent from my Nexus S using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Nexus S General] Shark_On_Land:
Random Access Memory should be free, the more that is taken of course it'll be slower. But yes, it should always be used. What the point in having a V12 if your only using 8 cilinders? I just wish that we had more of it in our phones.

My main rig is a Ubuntu 2ghz single core, 1gb, laptop. Just bought a Apple G4 PowerBook, shame it lags harder than a drug dealer. I can't even play YouTube videos with its 1.5ghz
[Nexus S General] 309041291a:
I'm getting confused with what you guys are arguing about. I'm hearing people talking about high min free task killer settings are bad because that wastes RAM (which is true.... its better to have a lower min free setting...). On the other hand people are arguing about its good to free up available RAM (not including min free levels, which I also agree to be true..) because it gives your phone more available memory to perform better... You guys seem like you're arguing over to different things...

Nexus S (GSM i9020a)

GummyNex (4.0.4 - 102)

Matrix Kernel (CFS - 19.0)

smartassV2 tweak (1000/200)

Deep Idle (On - Sio)
[Nexus S General] ubnub82:
Nexus phones already have good specs and considering they are released yearly they obviously fall behind. They mostly are for people who want a easy to theme and hack phone. It took me a few minutes to root mine but it took me longer to root my friends ET4G.
[Nexus S General] Shark_On_Land:
The nexus brand was designed for in lab use for Google developers and employees. It never was really intended to be available to the masses, but it was a good way to push out tech to speed up the rate of change.

The nexus is googles flagship phone period. Each os that it is shipped with is designed for that phone, and its chip set. No other phone runs gingerbread faster than ours, just as no other phone will run ics faster than the gnex

Easy to hack may be your reason, but not its sole purpose

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[Nexus S General] Andrew421:
Nexus is just becoming another name like Evo or galaxy... I mean now they're branding the phones.. That was the point of having a nexus was that it was to be open. Not carrier specific (SPRINT nexus S 4G, Verizon Galaxy Nexus). Personally when i saw that it had verizon on it's body i was raging. :mad: The nexus is supposed to get the updates first and not be specific and they're slowly just messing it up.
[Nexus S General] Shark_On_Land:
Is your last name lujan?

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[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
i think you have a point about the nexus line and the carriers taking over. The cdma versions for sprint and verizon have been dropped from asop tree by google, thus these cdma versions no longer really the developers phone but just a consumer phone, heck look how long sprint took to get us ics april 12 i think. Some other phones had it before the cdma sprint nexus s 4g. I say google needs to grow a pair of googles and make it so that only google when to push out the updates and carriers can not interfere with his. as i understand this is how apple and microsoft does it with their phone os. Their should also be a lock down on shipping any device with a custom interface. If the user or manufacturer want a custom interface then left them download it from the market after they purchase the device... it would be no different then you installing golauncher or adw desktop from the market.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
7mb free..... you must be doging it on ics. mine would be so slow on ics with 7mb free... i had to take off go launcher because this phone does not have the memory for go launcher. It just seems slow with ics and go launcher.
[Nexus S General] Harbb:
Run the "free" command in terminal. You may need to type "busybox free" if it's not all symlinked. My phone is damn smooth and your usage will be no different. Note that in the settings it stated i have "200mb free".

It's not a matter of what is free or what is not, it is all a matter of how much the OS is willing to give to another task over the current ones - thus, RAM that isn't being used is being wasted.
[Nexus S General] tekkitan:
With someone having the forum name "Google_Nexus", you'd think they would know more about the Nexus line of phones.

The Nexus phones were never meant to be top of the line feature phones. This has been said time and time again.

Stop creating fail threads please.
[Nexus S General] zorak950:
It's certainly true that having RAM and not using it is a waste, but it is also true that if your device has to clear RAM because it's all being used every time you want to launch a new process, lag happens.

Having /some/ RAM kept clear to deal with new resource requests is desirable, at least in my opinion. It may be slightly less efficient, but I haven't owned a device yet that worked as smoothly with 50 MB of RAM free as it did with 100 MB. Maybe it's a usage case issue, but personally it is very noticeable.

That said, there are rapidly diminishing returns on free RAM, and the ideal number is subjective. Also, as devices become more powerful and more efficient at clearing memory, the need to hold RAM in reserve decreases. My experience on this Nexus S may be quite different than someone with newer hardware.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
the orginal evo 4g, epic 4g keyboard and evo 3d all seems better with available ram that is free under running. i think these phones and the nexus s4g need more free ram like a bunch more. i think we should not install anything on these at all as the free ram is just to low and causes slowness. i want atleast 8gb of ram for running programs like my laptop has. Smartphones are nothing more then small laptops. after all i can use google voice to make calls on my laptop... and my laptop has a great 17" screen.. wish my phone had a 17" screen,
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
200mb free of internal system storage space for i have internal storage system space is nothing to brag about... i have 475 free for internal system storage by moving to the 16gb storage area. my free running is usually at about 80... a reboot is at about 100mb free running... we just need more ram.
[Nexus S General] Harbb:
That's free ram sunshine, not memory. Open your eyes.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
show proff for running. do you have ICS installed like i do? and do you have any apps installed at all? i bet you dont have ics and no apps installed... i call noob on this one...
[Nexus S General] italia0101:
This made me laugh... you call noob against habb a senior member with 830 posts and a thanks meter of 312...

vs you

with 76 posts and 0 thanks meter..

hmm
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
he joined dec 2011 but i have been here since the days of windows mobile....

830 posts since dec 2011... must be a machine bot doing it.,
[Nexus S General] Harbb:
Any proof I provide can be easily altered. This is why I gave you the opportunity to run the same command on your setup. You will find the same thing.

Some background: I have at least 40 apps installed and a couple of services for these apps as well as sync, maps and whatever else. Using Slim ICS with Matr1x 19, thus the 400mb available ram, of which android indicated 200mb was "free" and free indicated 7mb entirely unused.
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
you cant use android with 7mb free it would be like using an ibm pcjr with windows 7... not gonna work....

i am on stock ics with performance mod stock kernel. still need about 120mb free which is still weak for me.
[Nexus S General] albundy2010:
Calling somebody a noob when you still don't get how free ram works. After I already explained it to you.

This is the same person that thinks his PC with 8gb of ram runs faster because it has 80 percent free ram. Same person wants to run his phone with 80 percent free ram. Calling somebody a noob

At best you're a troll. If not a troll a clueless idiot that actually thinks he knows anything. Maybe both. Idiot troll.

This thread should be locked just like your other stupid thread. So should your stupid next nexus thread.
[Nexus S General] chronophase1:
I average 150mb free on a daily basis unless I'm streaming music and my phone runs completely fine. If it's such a hassle for you, why not just get another phone? Or better yet, install a ROM/kernel with bigmem support? Problem solved. I fail to see how 120mb isn't enough. WTF are you doing on your phone which requires such an absurd amount of memory?
[Nexus S General] DeuXGod:
The trolls inside his phone are eating his RAM
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
here is the list of my downloaded apps...

.PodKast.

6 News [news local]

9NEWS [denver new]

Adobe AIR

Adobe Flash Player 11.1

Adobe Reader

AIM [talk im to family]

Android Central Forums [could use tapatalk to replace this]

Android Pro Widgets [gives you facebook twitter widget all in one...]

AP Mobile [news]

App Backup & Restore [to get this list]

App List [to get this list]

App List Backup [to get this list]

APW Google Reader

APW License Key

Arel Wars [sons game]

Automobile [news]

avast! Mobile Security [why not]

BackStab HD [sons game]

BBC News [news]

Beautiful Widgets [clock like sense and weather app]

Beautiful Widgets Animations Addon

Blood and Glory [sons game]

Bubble [to calabrate sensors]

Call Log Calendar [spy app with geo location sent to my google calendar]

Call Logs Backup & Restore [manual restore to phone call logs]

CamScanner [to scan things with phone]

CamScanner Full Version

Chrome Beta [web]

Connect and Share [not sure what this is apart of android i think]

Crackle [tv]

CraigsNotifica [a must have for selling and other searching]

Dark Legends [sons game]

DeskMigrate [part of go launcher i removed go launcher]

Drive [sons game]

Facebook [social crap]

Flashlight [great in dark]

Gangstar Rio [sons game]

GO Launcher EX Notification

GO Power Master [good but not great what you think]

GO SMS Pro [great for flashed phones no need for apn backup just send via tyhe go hand area and your good to go on ics]

GO Switch Widget

GO TaskManager [helps close things out]

GO Weather Widget

GotYa! [spy ware so anyone who access my phone has their pic sent to a different non gmail account with geo data]

HaxSync [sync fb contacts]

History Eraser Pro

Hulu Plus [tv]

Ice_Cream_Go_Launcher_EX_Theme

IP tools

Mail

Messenger [social crap]

Messenger Voice and Video Plug-in

MobiUcare [spy ware i can listen in and video / sound record and geo location and take picture]

PerformanceTest

Photoshop Express

Pocket Legends [sons game]

Pulse [news]

Quadrant Standard

Real Steel Free Edition [sons games]

ROM Manager

ROM Manager Premium License

Root Explorer

Shark Dash [my game]

Skyfire [web]

Smartbench 2012

Smartbench Donate

SMS Backup & Restore

SPB TV [tv]

Speed Test

Star Legends [sons game]

Tango

TBS [tv]

Terminal Emulator

Tether [non wifi edition from rom manger guys]

TuneIn Radio Pro [radio]

TV.com [tv]

UNO [my game]

Voodoo OTA RootKeeper

Voodoo Sound

Voodoo Sound Plus License

Wifi Analyzer )not a tether app)

WiFi Tether

WIFREE! (not a tether app}

WunderRadio [radio]

ZENONIA4 [sons game]
[Nexus S General] Shark_On_Land:
You have 2 of everything. Do you really need 2 apps that serve the same purpose?

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[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
well i like my tv apps and my radio apps as each have things the other does not... hulu has nbc fox abc but tv.com has cbs... tnt has tnt... tbs has tbx...

their might be the go launcher stuff to remove but i may place go launcher back on at some point...
[Nexus S General] Shark_On_Land:
You have 5 wifi tether Apps

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[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
noi dont...

i have one wifi thether app

i also only have one wired tether app as well

the other wifi ones are not tether they are to locate and inform you of the different wifi in your area.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Another factor is those app's developer. Have they released an app that's not efficient and can't manage memory well. And even another is multiple apps competing on the same resources

Sent from NS4G Pool Party
[Nexus S General] Google_Nexus:
just proves my point as to why we need not to install any apps as it mess up the phone. perhaps we should ban apps other then what comes with the phone.
[Nexus S General] tekkitan:
Google_Nexus

Join Date: Apr 2012
[Nexus S General] Shark_On_Land:
I have an iPhone. They tell me which apps I can have that are safe. I don't even have to think. I don't need to waste daylight just trying to catch rouge processes when apple did that for me. I can litteraly sleep at 15% and wake up to check twitter because it has yet to die. Something I could never do on andriod

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[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Have fun with that I have the ability to think,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I can't say it any better than him, if you don't need the extra features you don't need an Android simple!

p.s. Your an iPhone user so why balls deep in Android threads, to promote your phone? No disrespect and honest question I'm not a fan boy just love the product I use.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Self responsibility, you judge the apps, install 50 well written well maintained apps and no prob. Install 4 with memory leaks and out dated code and ruin a perfect good phone with software.

ban that attitude and get involved deeper with your phone you came here seeking advice about your ram and shot down every suggestion yet I'm still (in my head) trying to steer you right. If you don't want to get to the root of the issue perhaps iPhone is for you
[Nexus S General] stellar:
Just ignore him, I figured he's just trolling the forums (ex: when will XDA make a phone?) thread. I honestly thought he was just clueless and was uninformed about things until I realized he has been posting things from under a bridge lmao
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Gotcha
[Nexus S General] b1337:
The worst part is google_nexus actually reproduced, you are a parent and you ask dumb ass questions then stick to your even dumber logic when people try and help, I feel sorry for your kid, hopefully you and your life partner shark_on_land aren't teaching him your trolling ways