yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
if you guys

change the kernel..4.0.4 will work i think...the roms boots up fully ..no fc's..wifi works to use the app store..just no data/signal
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] babymatteo:
Will the script for the UCLD2 work with Tmo's Stock IML74K UVLC8 build?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
yes it will

flash the rom first in cwm..then flash virus 2..reboot..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] babymatteo:
Link to v2 is broken or can't be found...anyone have any mirrors or other working links? Thanks in advanced.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
here you go...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/udodwn
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Sorry guys blowncos server is down he is working hard(ish) on getting it back up
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] babymatteo:
Lol no worries.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] loudog3114:
The touch sound was way better in rc3 ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] KLLSWITCH:
hey just an fyi the server is back up so the links are all good now​
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] aevans88:
whats the chances of getting an i9100 rom working? and if so would there be any possible way to get spen and lte going?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ebuechler3:
ive tried several skyrocket/989 roms, but keep getting the no sim card error. which specific roms work for this? thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Clark Joseph Kent:
Congrats on your RC!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] damastah:
Fun to play with. I got no signal, dont know if that's because I'm unlocked on Tmobile, but I flashed a T989 ROM. I flashed DarkSide. the app drawer was squished up to use only the top half of the screen. The S-pen did work on the screen though
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] powdered_donuts:
Should this really still be stickied? This was relevant when we were very lacking in flashable roms, but now with all that is available and the fact that it isnt supported anymore i dont think its necessary.

Ps, not trying to knock smartguys work, it is very much appreciated!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kronikwisdom:
Just switched over from my Skyrocket to the Note and there are some ok roms here. But, the best by far is still SKYics for the Skyrocket.

Will either of these work for this script?

JB - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1902502

ICS - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1763195
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] aaki_rocker:
can this script be compatible with this rom ?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2038585

it is the jb 4.1.2 leak for the skyrocket !
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Adizzzle:
Is there by chance a list of roms that this works on officially? I'd really like to give it a try, but ultimately some feedback would be insanely helpful. :D

And does this only work for ICS?

Oh and neither download link works on my phone or PC.

Annnnnnnd judging by all the replies I'm getting here this thread has died.. :(

:beer: "We can't stop here, this is Bat Country!" :beer:

Blog: http://ajizzzle.blogspot.ca/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
I doubt the current version will work with the new OTA JB ROM for the SkyRocket (Rogers version) but any chance it could be updated to work with it?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2158262
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ZacksBuilds:
Will this script be able to port over the sith ROM from the t989?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
ok so i flashed a full aosp rom and it boots and all that the only problem is no service which im sure could be fixed wit the right APN and the bottom capacitive buttons dont work but wifi and all that works fine
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Texantx:
Mirror:

http://www.mediafire.com/?oiu996zhgs1e9zh

Ps. Please let me know if you guys don't want a mirror link; I will delete it..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
i got it thanks

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which rom did you flash exactly
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
Tmob-OTA-SGSII-4.0.3-KANG-RaverX3X
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Wolf Haley:
Would def love a GB Version lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] itsjusttim:
Having that rom ported over would be amazing... Then we could have tablet mode finally work on our Note
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
it seems that if the bottom touch buttons on the phone were to work it would be perfect cuz you could always manually input APN settings :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
why dont you

try the hack ...flash to your phone and report back

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1588450
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
will do
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
nothing i flash seems to work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Eric-1987:
What about porting cm9 from the skyrocket?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
try this one buddy..i kno for a fact this one works cuz im using it now :) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1573621
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
how do you

like that rom tman?? better than the roms on here
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
yea i do personally...its reaalllyy smoooooth!! Plus you get a little more bit more free ram but other than that its virtually the same!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
its funny too

the superlite 5.1 is with the new leak! did you ever get the on screen buttons going?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
ok iflashed arom from the skyrocket thread the revamped stock but after flash that then flashing the virus zip it doersnt even boot and my recovery gets wiped out or boinked

i also triedc the ics sky rom same result
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tman23:
No after installing the mod the rom wont even boot :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
yeah...thats

because i guess the framework is coming from the skyrocket...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Eric-1987:
So no one has tried CM9 from the skyrocket yet?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
better have a nandroid on hand and a full battery lol along with odin and the latest recovery if you boink your recovery ...im waiting on the download to finished myself :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Eric-1987:
I'll just wait for you to post results. Are you going to do it soon? I might stay up and wait. Oh wait OP says it wont work with MIUI or AOSP.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
but the other guys said he got it to boot and i have warrenty lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Eric-1987:
AOSP to boot? Where?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24951274&postcount=21
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Eric-1987:
Did yours boot?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bclark:
I this needs to be clarified. i just Swyped this with the s-pen but gestures are out of the question. You see the mouse cursor that pops up? That's the pen being recognized as a mouse.

Edit: Do realize though this may be ROM specific. This is Superlite 5.1.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
havent tried i tyet just got the super lite rom to boot

but when i cut it the device off to charge because for some reason my battery is staying low like its having issus charging ...the battery icon is multiplied and blinks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PeartFan40:
I appreciate your hard work and contributions, but have a question?

What are the benefits of using a Skyrocket ICS ROM over the ones already available for the Note? The S-Pen isnt fully working yet, in addition to a few other issues. But everything works fine on the Note ICS ROMs. I'm not knocking your work, just curious to know what the benefits are? :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bclark:
That picture above is after charging all night on superlite. Shut the phone off to charge for a bit?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
yeah im doing that now while i roll up one :p

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also i had to let the lite rom try to boot then go back and flash the virus then it booted , could be just me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bclark:
Same here, I had to battery pull then boot into recovery and flash virus.

To the half life dude. It's just another option and honestly I feel it's smoother than the note release.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
i dont see asop ICS rom to flash
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Guys you can flash aosp all you want and it will run but as yall said no service no audio and buttons dont work. And you cant get data to work by just adding apn because it wont save
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
what about flashing a att modem
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Nope doesnt work cant even flash one through odin and get it to work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Just be patient and give me some time since i have this working and my other port working good i have something big im working on now
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
these roms seem much snappier

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dont worry im just fooling around with somethings but im not looking for much right now ,im just up and have a flashing finger
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Haha ok i hope everyone likes this and hope its working good for everyone

I will prob have a gb one up tonight gonna put it together after work and blownco test on a few roms for me since he is still on gb
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
dun dun dun!!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kylegibson:
FYI to anyone who wants/needs to download via phone, use firefox browser. That always seems to fix failed downloads/ pages using mobile. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
I flashed the DPI fix and im stuck in a bootloop, just an FYI.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 00mred00:
I would definitely use a gb version. I miss some of the gb roms I was using on the SR
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Did you wipe cache before the dpi fix
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bclark:
Just throwing things out there but since we have GB sources we could be using the cm7 roms from either the hercules or skyrocket if we could get a cm7 kernel built for us. Correct?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
With out a kernel i cant say yes or no. Idk if just plugging in a kernel will make it work.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bclark:
Obviously s pen will be out, more so than even now but I wonder if we could get da_g to give it a go as he made the skyrocket cm7 kernel.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
This is awesome, trying now!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Idk shoot him a pm and see with out a kernel we cant really test out and see if any other problems come up
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
What about??

tablet mode?...will it work?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
Seems to work with the nexusmod rom. Amazing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
whats that

lowspeed...tablet mode?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
Never played with that. How do i get tablet mode?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
Just tried again and same thing, i installed the NexusMod ICS and booted then went back to CWM and wiped cache and flashed DPI fix and now back to bootloop...should i just flash DPI after the ROM and virus?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
On that note.... Shutdown doesn't work. (on this specific rom)

I think i spoke to soon, Still stuck on the Samsung logo.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
are you using the same rom as me?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] juggz143:
Well after 8 pages this doesn't seem as awesome as it did in the op...

Not like thats going to stop me from giving it a go nonetheless ;-)

Oh and +1 the request for a gb version
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
I would prefer a GB version as well. ICS without custom Kernel is no go for me.

But the script does work....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
People might not think its awesome but it sure has stopped all the pm i was getting giving me request for ports
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Thanks for the hard work. Getting ready to try to flash Superlite 5.1.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Yea i tested it on that yesterday it is super light
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] lowspeed:
It's the awesome thing ever :)

What's the chances of a GB version ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Did you by any chance test Instagram? That is what has been keeping me away from the ICS leaks for the Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
As far as i know instagram wont work on ics

Gb will prob be out tonight as long as blownco can test it for me before he puts it up
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Gestalt73:
HDMI Desktop Mirroring Confirmed for Superlite+Virus

Confirmed that Superlite works with Virus etc etc...

But, It appears that the

HDMI Desktop Mirroring

Mojo is in the OS, and not in the kernel, because with this combination it definitely works.

Winning Flash sequence:

Flash Seraphim (for the modem)

Flash Superlite

Flash Virus

With this combination, you have a minimal install, with full AT&T LTE. :-)

The dpi=240 seems to have triggered some tablet like functionality, which is kinda fun. It goes well with the hdmi desktop mirroring, which is also kinda fun.

Alan
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
Ok i set up flashing all night and i believe its the roms that don't have custom kernel.are the.ones that work.the.best spier lite and the.smooth lite ROM which have been running the longest works best.for me the key is to flash the ROM then let boot or attempt to then go back.and flash the virus and then flash all extras like mods or addons i even flashed a update to a ROM and didn't have to flash virus so the way it looks to me this is the best thing yet to ....i would say fried chicken but since i am black it my sound a little well you know...... O love watching tosh.0 on this damn device
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dcemtp1:
Quick question, hope I'm not out of line and or not asked yet but considering that this let's us port roms could we pirt those from international note, like has anyone tried?

P.s. I did read the op and all just a eandom question.

Thanks(:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
You shouldnt have to flash anything for a modem it has a modem in the script
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
So do u need to flash script whenever u flash rom?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
I only for the ROM not add-ons like mods or updates unless the update requires a wipe but if its a completely new one yes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
So which rom is working completely besides the obvious the spen?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
So I've tried several ICS Skyrocket (non-AOSP) ROMs. If I flash the ROM and Virus, it works great. A few things are off like the Dialer, probably because of the DPI. I flashed the DPI fix and then it bootloops.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
Lmao terminoter......the lite roms after i found a way to get them to boot the sun was up so i have to refresh all the ones i downloaded but the worst case is you have to reflash the recovery if you flash the wrong one so far i have been able to come out of soft bricks with Odin and recovery you Will know you messed up if you try to go to recovery and the the Samsung logo blinks really fast just flash the recovery with Odin and when it starts to reset in Odin just hold down the volume buttons as it resets so you can go straight to recovery and refresh the virus or another rom
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
I don't use it just changed dpi to 260
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
All should be working using this script
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
I've tried 260 and 320 and the dialer is still messed up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
Well glad I wasnt the only one with the bootloop, not sure what the issue is...

also when i flash NexusMod then virus, everything is tiny on the screen...like the pages end in the middle of the screen, is that normal?!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Also the calendar is messed up really bad.

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That's just because they set it to 240dpi. Set it to 320dpi and it will look like stock.

Has anyone gotten the multi dpi flash to work without a boot loop?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
These are things that the dpi should fix idk why yall are getting bootlooped i flashed it fine

Idk about nexus mod never flashed it i am waiting on the release tonight but check the build prop to check the dpi settings
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Which from did dpi fix work for you? I have tried nexus mod and superlite and they both boot looped.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Superlite the one i ported one for tmo

What is your process for flashing
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
confirm

it does bootloop..with the flashing the dpi
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
People should also try mounting system data and cache separately of course and format or just use the format/data option etc.

After this i didn't have any issues after
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
you are talking about

flashing the dpi fix...to do that?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Truth do you have google talk
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Dont flash the dpi i think i know what the problem is bit wont know for sure till i get home and download it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
can i flash the phone.apk

from the stock revamp rc1..to superlite?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Corz whats your ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
hit me up

google...djcorz.cn@gmail.com or djcorz.cn
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
No whats your question

I dont know what you are trying to ask about revamped
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
Yeah i have everything thatruth132 lol Yahoo gmail hotmail pornhub lol opps didn't need to that one
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
Ok sent you a thing on google talk
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
im on google +

now... i dont see anything
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
ok guys so if you wanna use the dpi fix you have to open up the zip and delete the framework and twframework.apk files under system\framework

confirmed working by truth
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
in the api zip??

or the rom itself? or virus?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
on the dpi fix zip
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
ok

testing now..

confirmed it works!! thats whats up truth!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Thanks man. Have you thought about taking the necessary parts of the dpi fix and adding it to your virus.zip? That way people would only have to flash one thing and not worry about multiple files and opening up zips. Just a suggestion.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
now we need...

the aosp lockscreen
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
Did it work for that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Cozzeck:
can some one post a link for the dpi fix, or point me in the direction of it. because the dpi fix i downloaded does not have those specific files with in the zip.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
http://db.tt/qLexpdyt
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
yea i thought about that before posting it but since dagr8 made those fixes and he didnt respond to me before i posted this they are not there
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sh4dow1:
aops

just out of curiousity why doesent it work on aosp roms?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
not sure the reasoning but ive flashed NexusMod ROM from skyrocket and the stylus doesnt work fully, adds a cursor to the screen wherever the pen is located and none of the stylus functions work...is this a known issue or isolated to the ROM?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
its a known issue with this script and with my port hopefully will fix it soon......are you talking about nexus zero
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
nah the previous version, zero isnt working yet, from what ive read...bad upload....thanks for the info on the stylus btw
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
because there is only one aosp build right now and its very very alpha

when you use the aosp rom you have no data and no audio but give it some time i believe an aosp build will coming soon maybe
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
Yes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
smartguy044, i assume virus will still work for the new nexus zero?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
yea it should
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] free_free:
what about international galaxy note roms
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] corzradio:
its all good

tho...where are we...2 solid from another phone..def 3..if it doesnt work,,you are not off by much..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
i dont understand you sometimes....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
no the int note is way to diff then ours
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
IM loving this......

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im bout to try it out [ROM][UCLD2 4.0.3] // NexusMod ICS Zero FIXED // "AOSP" ICS / Slim
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
I'm downloading that rom now too.

Btw I looked at the multidpi fix package and all it is is a few system apps. So I'm just going to extract the apks from there and load them via root explorer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
Hmmm I had issues, flashed the Zero rom then virus and im stuck at the "installing apps" first boot screen and i continuously get system unresponsive
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
That sucks. Did you flash virus before first boot? Did you flash dpi fix? Full wipe?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
trail error is the way of life
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bryancotton84:
Full wiped and flashed ROM then Virus then booted into whatever this issue is!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Getting ready to flash now will report back.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] clyon3:
No go for me on Zero....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] KLLSWITCH:
im gonna try zero right now
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] clyon3:
I did a couple of different methods but same result.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Just flashed Zero and it did "installing applications" for a minute and then it booted right up. I'm using the ROM right now. Here is what I did:

1. Boot to CWM

2. Wipe Data/Factory Reset

3. Go to Mounts

4. Mount system, wipe system

5. Mount data, wipe data

6. Mount cache, wipe cache

7. Go to advanced, wipe davlik cache.

It's probably overkill but I do it every time to be safe.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thatruth132:
yeah i have been telling people you have to use those tools everytime you flash
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
I have to say that with just a 5 minute impression Nexus Zero is the fastest ROM I have used on this phone. I've not been happy with any of the ICS leaks or ROMS for our phone because the phone is sluggish and hangs a lot. So far so good with Zero.

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Well that didn't take long, but I borked up Nexus Zero. I took the apps out of the multi dpi fix and put them in /system/app. As they were pasting it froze. I did a hard reset and now it's on the lockscreen and unresponsive. I'm thinking maybe it was the Touchwiz launcher that screwed it up, as the other apps in there shouldn't matter. Getting ready to reflash.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] smartguy044:
evo please give step by step detail of what you did to get this working still having people running into trouble try to be more detail then you already were even though that was pretty detail