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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
Using Cornerstone 12 - Things noticed :

Some apps, mostly email, bug out when a lot is going on inside cornerstone, since this could be the CS framework misbehaving that's really no biggie.

Wi-fi performs well, however, enabling / disabling seems to be very hit and miss, the wi-fi icon will get "stuck" and wi-fi settings become all tangled necessitating a reboot. From usage so far this feels like the -only- thing that would stop this being an RC, if not a genuine stable release. Whatever is scuffing the enable/disable wifi I would feel needs to be the priority to solve.

Boot time is absurdly fast, I'm talking less than 15 sec from power on to actual use, not even Gummy was this brisk.

The keyboard works completely, even when you switch hardware keyboard settings. Overall it feels very reliable and effective.

Team EOS quick settings replicate the ASUS notifier toggles pretty much perfectly.

The screen blacks out briefly on auto-rotate, this seems to be common to all AOSP builds and implies some tweak or setting the ASUS build has which AOSP lacks.

Solve the wi-fi and we have a winner here, really. I'll throw some apps and games at it and see what happens.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
No offense to anyone here, but posting on here I always feel like I'm praying to god. I get ignored most of the time. For instance, I asked a simple question to someone which version cornerstone do they have bluetooth working and I get completely ignored.

So, chances are I will get ignored here for the info I'm about to give.

Regarding the black screen during the auto-rotate, I know a dev that solved it. He solved it for the cornerstone over in tf101 rom. Check out the post that he made the announcement.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24082027&postcount=571

Why not ask him on how to solve this for us?

But again, I don't expect much from this since this post will probably get ignored.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
It depends on whether he's willing to share the info with Team EOS I guess. I am not affiliated to either party so my voice is pretty small here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fabolous02000:
I flashed a clean install of v11 and had no Bluetooth issues. Its so good I'm not sure if I wanna even try v12, but my curious nature will always get the best of me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
He's an independent. And he's working on the tf101, so I don't see a reason why he would keep it from us.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
Lol, praying to god :p I agree that it is quite quiet in here. Its a bit of a shame because I think this is a really good rom. Quiet forums make people think there might be something dodgy...

As for your question, I don't use bluetooth so I can't help.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
Just done a proper test of the v15 build (non cornerstone), 23/5

I can see only one issue that needs immediate attention, I'll check up on sleep of death by leaving the thing overnight and seeing if it stays comatose next day. So far this build is stable, handles different nationality keyboard setups just fine, all the android keys work regardless of language selection.

Wifi stability on the non CS variant is very much there by the looks of, and any performance hiccups seem to be strictly down to the cornerstone framework (and to be fair, there weren't many, though I was able to force a hard lockup by using Tunein Radio pro + Email + web browser via CS).

However, something which is a mite disconcerting - there's no indicator to tell me that the keyboard is plugged in, nor is there a charge read on said keyboard. This is however getting into the realms of "Small things that would be useful to have but not essential".

This feels a lot like a release candidate, I'm hoping the last odds and sods are patched out with the next few nightlies.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hartej:
Have a quick search for "Dual Battery Widget" on the Google Market (I'm refusing to use the silly name it's become!)

Here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.flexlabs.widgets.dualbattery&hl=en
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fabolous02000:
On cornerstone v12 is anyone having a problem with MultiPicture live wallpaper app. It doesn't display any pictures when I try to set multiple backgrounds
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jiffy1080:
I might be mistaken but I thought that live wallpapers were disabled for cornerstone builds due to resolution/random other issues.

Sent from my AOKP OG Epic 4G
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
This is correct to my knowledge. Also, I'm now coloured curious. The Dual Battery Widget has a silly name, what is it? Inquiring minds demand to know! My money was on Didget but that came up blank...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fabolous02000:
Im using Wp clock app to set a background image without cropping it. Multipicture lwp has the same feature for multiple screens , but it doesn't work on cornerstone. Just seemed weird to me cause wp clock is a live wallpaper & sets a picture no problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
Good to see you over in this direction Hobbesian :) I see you are doing the rounds like me in terms of jumping from rom to rom. Two nice reviews btw. How do you think these roms stack up against the others?

Edit: the Dual Batter Widget has been very useful with this rom in spite of having a faintly ridiculous name...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
I was so hoping it was Didget or DuBaWidget or something equally as nutty...

As for where EOS stands compared to others? Tough to say, right now it seems like it's not so much like for like comparison but instead having different plusses and minusses to each build. Virtuous is hands down the best stock-like (not that there's much to pick from now, but nontheneless) and acts as an effective yardstick to measure everyhing else. Since it has all the asus tweaks but none of the asus junk bloat, it's a solid benchmarking point.

AOKP is clearly going for the kitchen sink approach, as evidenced by the fact they now have an APP specifically for backing up ROM settings, yes, there are that many tweaks and bends in the ROM to play with. It's very well put together, but if I was a newbug, I fear the mass of settings might cause me to have a nervous breakdown.

Gummy is going for what something between Cyanogen and EOS, there's a lot of nice cyanogen like features implemented, and their own homebrew widgets and tools are genuinely top class. However, for non US setups, it's not yet ready for showtime, if I can kill half the Dock android keys simply by changing keyboard languages, there's still some definite funkiness to get worked out.

Cyanogen was dominant during the 2.x android cycle, and whilst I hate to be seen as a naysayer to all the work done by other teams, longer term Cyanogen is going to be the one to beat. Right now though Cyanogen is having to cover so many devices that more specialised teams have got the jump on them in terms of stability and feature cycle. I wouldn't expect Cyanogen to catch AOKP, Gummy or EOS for a while yet. Cyanogen might be better in some areas, but each of the three I've poked have been stronger than CM in -some- way, just different ways per ROM.

EOS seem to have got the tablet side of ICS down to a fine art, honestly, were it not for the fact I know this is an AOSP rom I'd have assumed it came with my prime, it's that stable and brisk. I've had it sleeping, waking up, I've done some curveballs with wifi, about to run VLC into it to see what happens, but judging by the fact this build has the GCC revert, that should be dandy. Hunch says they're probably only 1 or 2 builds off of a stable release from here, though that's ignorant user me talking, I could be wrong.

At this point the only real wildcards are if ASUS provide NVFlash for unlocked devices (since that would allow devs to crack open the inner workings of the device and the teg 3 chipset) and the impending .25 stock release which I've on good authority seriously puts some speed into the stock ROM, meaning things like Virtuous might leapfrog ahead in terms of desirability. Unsure.

I've not fiddled with any of the other releases here (WSG? I think?) so I lack any opinion on those.

Just my thoughts at this point :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
Need help with bluetooth. It appears that I'm the only one using this rom with a problem with bluetooth. With the stock and primalicious, I can connect to my bluetooth devices instantly. With this rom (v12 cornerstone) I can't pair to anything. Keeps saying got rejected.

Did you guys do something I'm not aware of?

Edit.

SOLVED!

The bluetooth in the settings is useless. But if I use bluetooth file transfer app and use that to pair with the devices it works. The question is why?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bait-Fish:
:-) Definitely an odd choice for a name.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
Can't really help much seeing as I'm part of the group with no blue tooth issue in any of the builds. Glad you manage to find a work around though.

Definitely a random odd ball.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
I don't understand something. Why is the clock automatically set to 1.6? Am I the only one that wants battery life over speed?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
Mine's not - it's set to 1.2. I have not done anything to set it at that. No idea why yours is so high but I prefer longer battery life too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
Go into settings, system, performance, and see what your max frequency is. I set mine to 1.0ghz. That's plenty power for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
There's two elements at work in the EOS rom - First is the governor and CPU limits which most of us know about, but there's a secondary layer under the EOS header "Device Settings" which give the same 3 CPU profiles ASUS does : Balanced hard caps the CPU ceiling to 1.2ghz, if you set it to performance, the limit is whatever you set the max frequency to under the CPU settings.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
Thanks for that heads up. Somehow I've lost and can't find the Asus CPU profiles...

Also, curious what governors you guys are running and what the affect is picking something like conservative over interactive, relative to the affect that we get out of phones.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
I run interactive by default, considering I hard capped my CPU to 1.2 I don't see a point in what would be a marginal battery saving (remember - the teg 3 is a 4+1 setup with a low power CPU that works the bulk of the time) and take a performance hit just for the sake of it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bigrushdog:
Your prayers have been heard. But sorta like God, you usually won't like the answer. We don't support Cornerstone. We just compile it. Personally, I'd wipe it from our repo. But its in there because users wanted it. It is crawling with all sorts of bugs. Our standard build has no such bugs. I recommend posting your concerns on the Cornerstone forum.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mutiny:
I was going to say that most Cornerstone posts are ignored, or only Cornerstone users talk amongst themselves, is because EOS devs don't own that project. It went open a while back and people have asked for it to be baked into their favorite roms. The devs here did exactly that with a little note to the users that they can't/won't support it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
So the Eos NON-cornerstone build does not have the 0.5 second delay when rotating the screen? Can anyone using either the stable releases or nightlys confirm this?

It was my understanding that only the stock roms don't have the delay. I have used all the other AOSP roms at some point on TF201 (AOKP, CM9, Gummy, even CNA) and they have all had the delay problem. I will definitely check out the non-cornerstone version if this problem is not there. It is gonna be tough to drag me away from the Cornerstone rom though...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hobbesian:
It's still there as of v15 (23/5), I don't know where on the list of things to fix it is, but it seems like a redraw issue at kernel level, someone fixed it on the tf101 but that's a teg2 chipset, so the process may differ.

Despite that, I've now used v15 for a week, it does not crash, it only glitched on games ONCE so far, does not sleep of death, and pretty much everything works as it's supposed to. I'm quite content on it so far.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mutiny:
I'm pretty sure there's a very slight delay in all roms. Some more than others, though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
So where would be this Cornerstone forum that I could ask about Youtube specifically?

Or if anybody has any ideas about the status of getting it to work in one of the smaller sections. At this point, that's probably right up there in terms of deal killer for a lot of people.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
Youtube works fine in one of the smaller tiles for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
Hah, this might be a case where I get the anomaly. All I get is a "Youtube has stopped working" whenever I try opening it.

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Seems like whenever I make mention of it, an idea comes up. Just uninstalled and reinstalled. Cornerstone just got even better. Though I still have the issues of the clock/battery indicators freezing up on me more than 50% of the time whenever I activate Cornerstone though...

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
Did youtube work out?

The following is a general message for people, not just Xelstyle.

To me, people need to stop and think if it's worth it to use cornerstone. Remember that with flexibility comes a price tag.

A study was recently published that showed iOS actually crashes a lot more often than android. The reason people think iOS is more stable is because when it crashes there's no error message giving the illusion that nothing was wrong.

Why did I bring up iOS? If you want to live in a walled garden then get an iOS device like the ipad. I hear their micro-sd expansion slot now supports up to 1TB. Cornerstone is definitely not for everyone. To use cornerstone, here's some pre-req.

(1) You have to be willing to accept that this ain't no iOS.

(2) You have to be flexible. There are bugs. Figure out how to go around the bugs. Ask questions if you have to.

(3) You DO NOT need cornerstone to be running all the time. I have mine set to not open when system starts. I only have it running when I need or want to use multiple windows. After I'm done, I usually restart.

(4) This ain't no notebook. If you want a perfect notebook experience, you should get a notebook.

(5) Again, be willing to accept that there are bugs. Hunt down the bugs and be aware of what they are. Figure out a way around them if possible. Or don't install cornerstone at all.

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No, I don't believe my prayers have been heard. Why? Because all custom built ROMs have the blackscreen during auto-rotate. This isn't just a cornerstone problem. The post you responded to was pertaining to that. So, you just gave me a canned response and never even bothered to read my post. I said someone figured out a way to solve the black screen thing in the tf101.

Not only are my messages being ignored, when they get responded the responder also ignore what I actually said.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
These are really useful comments, the iOS thing in particular. Can you remember where you heard this? Also, I usually keep Cornerstone on but now I am wondering whether this is contributing to some of the issues that I am having. I will have to give your tip a try.

With regards to problems, the only ones that I have noticed after an extended run with v12 are occasional SODs after not using it for a while (e.g. overnight) and sometimes the wifi drops off and won't turn back on without a reboot. I would say, however, that I am having substantially fewer problems with v12 than with stock and I am still really enjoying this rom. I should also say that I jumped from v5 to v12, and I do not recall having these issues with v5.

Finally, I agree the lack of dev presence in this a little frustrating. It is a better overall experience when they interact with us users. I guess that this is the payback for using a rom that runs on multiple devices (the same can be said for CM9 and Gummy too). I can understand them not wanting to spend their entire lives replying to users problems on different forums. Looks like we will have to be content talking among ourselves and hope God acknowledges our existence now and again lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
A quick rebuttle, nothing personal from your response:

You definitely would know well of the complaining that a lot if users will have but there's an fine between that and criticism which still can be constructive. Sure there will be those users who are satisfied with the status quo of generic close walled products, but for all the people who love to tinker and mess around, we can all appreciate the flexibility that comes with Android in general.

That being said, improving on the flexibility is just the next thing to do naturally.

----------g

Also saw the same study though I can't remember from where. Probably shared from Engadget sometime.

And yes, the YouTube is flawless now! And to think I've been just using Cornerstone without it...

Another thing that came into mind. I remember Cornerstone having the ability to switch between the main screen and and the sub screens. Are there any other devices that people known with that feature working?

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goodintentions:
It was all over tech news not too long ago. Here's a link.

http://www.gsmarena.com/ios_apps_crash_more_often_than_android_apps_study_shows-news-3769.php

There are many more.

Again, the reason why iOS gives the illusion that it doesn't crash as often is because there's no error message. I've talked to iOS users about this. Some of them have noticed that sometimes their apps would send them straight back to the homescreen. They had no idea a crash has just happened. When I told them that that's a crash, most of them told me they'd rather not know about the crash than have an error message.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bigrushdog:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26331499&postcount=4078

I'm not sure what the problem is here in tf land. But we interact with users probably more often than we should.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tr.slate:
So I bricked my Prime by accidentally using the recovery option on the power menu. Tried using adb, but it doesnt even connect to TP. I get no serial number when i use the device command in adb. Any idea how to make adb see the TP?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] omac_ranger:
I believe this is what you're looking for.

Edit: That is where you should get the updated recovery once you're booting again. This thread should get you out of your problem. Option 1A if I understand what's happening to you correctly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] David522d:
Anyone using the lastest Corner-stone if so how is it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fredgar75:
I tried the latest but it runs the same as the others. Until cornerstone is updated I think it will all be the same. Just updates to the rom and not cornerstone. Just too many apps freezing and forcing a reboot.

sent from my bad a** EVO LTE.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] David522d:
So a no go on a daily driver?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fredgar75:
Not for me. But if your a lite user than maybe. But make sure to back out of apps, that's where I seem to have problems with them freezing. Cornerstone uses a lot of resources.

sent from my bad a** EVO LTE.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
Still having youtube issues oddly enough. Already tried what I did last time to fix it which was uninstalling, reinstalling but not too sure what else I could do at this point if somebody happens to have a "general" check list of things to do?

Also have tried clearing the cache.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mutiny:
Do you flash the GApps immediately after the rom? Try it with #16.

--Clear cache/Dalvik

--Flash #16

--Flash GApps

--Clear cache/Dalvik

--Fix perm

--Reboot
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mutiny:
Has anyone with a 64GB version tried this?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27014792&postcount=803
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
Thanks, forgot about permissions.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Striatum_bdr:
Fixing permissions ? I've done that and never had problems. The script installation file should take care of that no need to redo it.

Why wiping cache and dalvick a second time after gapps? First those cache are used when android is run, so if you flash it immediately after the rom they will be empty. Second: those caches contain file related to apps already used. If you add gapps, there can't be any conflict as the cached files doesn't exist.

And last, I've never looked into this specific rom update' but most of the scripts already wipe cache and dalvick.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mutiny:
What you say is theoretically true, but there are inexplicable things that happen since not all devices are created equal. In one device, one has doesn't have to flash GApps after each nightly while on another you have to. The same reason two devices, with the exact same OC'd kernel, handles two different max clock speeds, etc. There are even some who have to do a full wipe to get a nightly working properly coming from the same rom.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordwolden:
I've been running your nightlies as daily driver for a long time, and I just felt like sending

a huge THANKS. Currently running nightly 17 with motleys 3.0.3 alpha kernel, great stability

and fine performance. Love the rom, only insignificant issu I have is not being able to mount

Ntfs microsd, but that's just a luxury. :-)

Attached benchmark just 'cause they impressed me!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] FunkyMcBain:
I don't know what this from does differently from like the stock Asus based roms but the UI performance on this is light years ahead. When I use a rom like this I actually forget that with the other rooms I consider buying an iPad.

Currently running 17 ust out of the box and absolutely love it. Its only been a day but that's OK :) I can't use anything else after using for example the browser on this.

As a question, what does make it so much nicer to use?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Xelstyle:
Is there any particular kernels that people would suggest for the Cornerstone 15?

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] paddycr:
Its stability? The fact that it offers more functionality beyond the stock rom? It is not plagued by the ANR problems that seem to be an official feature of stock? I dunno...

I am quite looking forward to flashing one of the stock roms. I haven't used stock since the beginning of April after .21 came out. I suspect that it is going to confirm what you said: that non-stock roms are miles ahead of stock (I should add through no fault of the devs who put the stock roms together, they are only working with what ASUS has given them). I have used Eos more than any other non-stock rom. I do not recall ever getting a message saying that the stock browser is not responding for example.

I think this proves one thing - that people who put these roms together as a hobby do a far better job than the ASUS where they are doing it err... like its their job!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] FunkyMcBain:
The thing that's just unbelievable to me is just how much faster and smoother this is than stock, I mean it's light years man, un-effin-believable