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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Webkit hell?

So, I sort of feel like Steve Martin when the oil cans are getting shot yelling "stay away from these cans!!!! He hates these cans!!!" Our Prime in combination with the software and the Tegra 3 chips very obviously are trying to do too much when you use a webkit based browser. Stay away from those webkit cans and try Opera Mobile or Maxthon Hd for 10" tablets. It doesn't matter why the cans are getting shot, it only matters that you stay away from them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
Quick ICS Browser was running like a champ for me but now it's getting buggy.I think it's just the Prime in general & not the browsers. Currently using Dolphin HD & it's ok.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] conquereddroiduser:
I've found a few things that have helped tremendously with the freezing/hiccups in the browser specifically.

1) Installing Adblock (finally got root). This has made a huge difference, but on it's own still didn't get rid of them entirely.

2) Rebooting my prime once per day. I find that my usual usage patterns end up with a laggy browser after about 6-8hrs of use. I haven't found a rhyme or reason for what aps might be exacerbating it, but a reboot has fixed it each time. It's not ideal to have to reboot that often, but the browsing (using ICS+ browser) is fast, fluid, and enjoyable. In short, it's worth me doing each morning before I start using the tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
Its not webkit, other devices running webkit browsers do not have this issue.

Its not ICS, other ICS devices do not have this issue.

Its not tegra 3, other devices with tegra 3 do not have this issue.

Its not Asus, other Asus tablets do not have this issue.

Its not software, other roms have the exact same issue.

Its the Transformer Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
its not my transformer prime running Opera Mobile so everything you say up there does not apply. have you tried opera mobile and somehow come down with lag? Try it, and let me know.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
On my prime Opera mobile runs like a champ but then out of nowhere .....bam...crash!! Sick of it!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
do you by any chance have any processes that crash when you are not using them?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
The scrolling lag in Opera Mobile is too much for my eyes to take.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
I have none of that. Anybody else?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
I never know how my Prime is going to act until I boot it up and start using it. Some days it runs like a champ and other days not so much. It is the most tempermental piece of hardware I've ever owned. I think it may be bipolar.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24770610&postcount=39

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24734572&postcount=35

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24734350&postcount=34

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24909516&postcount=55

There are many others scattered around the forum.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Its actually funny that you broke it down to each part of what I said individually since I said it was the combination that was the problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
this is all false..lol countless threads on several different devices on ICS with issue. its also been reported on 300. been reported on acer510. been reported on almost all phones here in xda on ics. Ive already searched before. i dont know if you have. But this is almost a universal ICS issue. and just like with prime, some people suffer from it, and some people dont. which is weird.

it is the software. these other roms still have ties into asus firmware or android ics firmware. luckily this issue is virtually non existent on opera mobile. anything based off of stock browser has the issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Thanks for doing all of that research based on my question.

This one post you put up interested me http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24909516&postcount=55

in it he mentions fps. My question now is are you using the moded build prop http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1647357? they say it forces fps to 60 and I am using that with fantastic opera performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
I did try that tweak of 60fps, it makes no change in Opera.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
mine runs perfectly. curious to know the difference between yours and mine
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
regardless of what devices have this problem or not, its obviously affecting alot of people. the messed up thing about it is its affecting some people and its not affecting others. Asus just needs to release this firmware now to see if it remedies the issue in people having the problem.

i would be mad also if my browser kept crashing. which it doesn't. testing new beta seemed to solve the issue with stock browser. this new firmware is far more stable than .21, IMO.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
All Tegra3 devices are having issues. ICS works better on some than others my SGII and Gtab2 are extremely smooth and stable on ICS. Hoping its just a kernel problem and not the Tegra3 but I'm thinkng the T3 is the problem otherwise Nvid would have fixed the issues. Opera still stops on mine from time to time but I've learned to deal with it I just use the Gtab when I want to use a browser because it works good on any browser
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
this is always my opera experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG1C0ZijluM&feature=g-upl
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
What's the holdup anyways. You testers have had it for awhile
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jrkart99:
I'm also happy to report that my email now gets the wait close messages every time i start up. Screen flickers, horrible lag on my swype. Awesome.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i honestly don't know. i would've thought it would of released already. they might be making some adjustments. I'd say just be prepared for it to drop any moment really.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fast2climax:
opera performance

When I first installed opera, I had very choppy performance and gave up on it. Then following someones advice from an unrelated post, I removed all non-stock browsers and hard reset my prime. Just tried opera again and the performance is more acceptable than it was initially. It still isn't as smooth as the stock browser (when it doesn't hang) but i find it good enough. Also turning my tablet performance all the way up and forcing GPU acceleration in settings may make a positive difference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
ICS might play a role in this matter, look at the link below, the last benchmark.

the galaxy s2 sdcard read performance is twice as good in android 2.3.5 compared to 4.0

comparable results on the note

http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&sourc...Py9NQm&usg=AFQjCNHMtv95h9hdXQG5gtJoSzXt_NkLYw
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
I'd like to see a link to a exact thread where there is discussion about this issue for another (ICS) device, for example HTC One X. Even better, if there is a non Tegra device which has these same issues, I'd like to see the thread.

I have/have had these ICS devices:

- Huawei Ideos X5

- 2x SGS2

- Transformer Prime

Only Transformer Prime has serious lag and lockups. My SGS2 were buttersmooth with ICS when I had it, same goes for my girlfriends SGS2.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
just do a search. I know I don't feel like going through all that again. same flipside story can be said for prime. there's lots of people that don't have lag n lockups. Does that mean the problem doesn't exist? no. its the same throughout several different ICS devices. some people have the problem and some don't. plus I know you don't want to talk about the HTC one X being issue free. I could go into their forum right now and pull at least 8 issues threads. there are some HTC one x people THST it works fine for them. but there's plenty THST are having several issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
i'm really glad to hear that! i just wish it was released already, cause the browser really does suck.

i know you're always advertising Opera, but no can tell me that it's normal that I have to ditch the built-in browser the second i get my tablet. plus, i use chrome on desktop, the built-in browser on my One X, and i'd like to use either of these two on my prime. cause then i can have all the sweet bookmark and other sync capabilities... which is also a point of getting android.

so your solution is just a half solution to many of us, i guess. and i don't want to be offensive or something, cause you're a nice piece of "unofficial helpdesk" here, just saying that change browser is not the real solution.

---------- Post added at 01:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:00 PM ----------

that might be true. i remember using CM7 on my old desire had SD-issues too. really slow writing sometimes. although a simple and small .zip flash solved the problem in like seconds.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pileot:
im getting the "is not responding" message pretty much everywhere now, used to only be on stock browser but i stored most of my data on an external SD, microsd got lost (yay!) so now everything is on the internal memory and it is sloooow.... tried copying over about 1gig of files from the dock SD to internal memory and it crashed twice. Lucky me....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
Well, others indeed seem to have problems too...

"Acer Halts Shipment Of Iconia Tab A510 Due To A Faulty Component, Confirms A700 Is On Track To Ship By June 11"

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...confirms-a700-is-on-track-to-ship-by-june-11/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justPorter:
Well, i know that if you are rooted and you install browser2ram.apk it will fix the issue for the default browser. you just have to reboot every once in a while as the ram management gets out of whack. but i am happy to report using browser2ram eliminated the issue 99.9% in the default browser.

it would be great to get a fix so you can download updates in the background and not get this message in other apps/browsers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
can you give us a link please? :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
Would be interesting to know what is that mysterious faulty component? Tegra 3 SoC? :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Shinare:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25286407&postcount=61
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bait-Fish:
Same here. The stock browser is usable even with the max number of tabs open. No waits. Thanks TheOnionKnight (again) for sharing your apk workaround magic!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xTRICKYxx:
I installed this as a skeptic. IT FIXES IT. Chrome is entirely useable along with the stock browser and all ICS browsers. How much extra ram will this use?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TheOnionKnight:
Just updated with a new version that should reduce memory usage and improve sync behaviour (download). Memory usage should be somewhere between 8 and 32MB. On previous versions it could grow much higher due to a bug which caused deleted files to be kept around.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
this morning i had about 82MB - not like it bothers me -, so I guess it's an even newer version that I downloaded last night, right?

and should i just install it over the old one and reboot? or uninstall the old and put this up?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TheOnionKnight:
Indeed, I only noticed the problem and updated earlier today after seeing the comments here. Just installing over the old one will work fine.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
Cool, thanks! The thing really fixes the problem, no waiting pop-ups. Nice job!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vatastala:
Ok, I'm going to install browser2ram, but what do you think to install this?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1647357
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justPorter:
i read the whole discussion on that mod, works great but does not fix the browser wait issue, so i figured i decided to wait on that mod until after the next firmware update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Shinare:
I installed this build.prop on a stock rooted .21 and I see no difference whatsoever. *shrug* But I really didn't have anything to complain about in the first place.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Therbine:
The stock browser seems to crash a lot but I've found that chrome seems more stable
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] indie13:
Trying to be positive.:rolleyes:... is there any more news on the latest update in testing? How does the browser handle?

I really cant wait for the new update (see again being positive rather than demanding an eta) :):)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mirox3m:
Before the latest Flash Player update it was fine, after doing what Gary has sugestted (uninstall additional browsers and Flash, cold booting and installing Flash again). Now it does not help and the problem seems more frequent.

Hoping for some good relusts with the upcomming firmware.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
damn, I just wrote a long detailed response and it got erased somehow...lol. don't feel like writing it all over again.

basically new firmware handles browser very well. alot more stable than previous builds, using stock browser. update possibly delayed to them making sure it performs right and they could be making last minute fine tuning/changes to it. I'm sure alot would rather update take longer to release and they get it mostly right vs. rush it out the door due to demand & it don't work. One thing for sure, this build is being thouroughly tested and feedback is being given to them on it. So hopefully the feedback is helping them to better fine tune it. I would consider this a major update once it drops. Maybe not so much in added features but in the way it fixes alot of current issues and the way things are processed. Alot of thread priority changes have taken place so this build is kind of a different animal in the way Prime handles tasks, browser, etc.. It is very stable and battery life seems great on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] indie13:
Thanks for the update. You are right that we want a fully baked update rather than half baked. Just excited about it. Hope it drops soon.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
Pure speculation.

You may be testing, but unless you have a new build, you possibly cant know what's being fixed/changed,or the status
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
He must be new round these parts

what the hell are you talking about? know your facts, before you go talking. Im talking about the NEW BUILD that has only been released to a select few, including myself. This is a new firmware build. So there's no speculation other than you assuming you know the deal. Asus gave me & a couple others the firmware that has yet to release to test out. So from our testing and what Asus has told us(Power Users), we know what's fixed or supposed to be fixed and what isnt.

Did Asus give you the new firmware that everyone is waiting on to test? NO

Do me and select others have it to test out and therefore can talk on it? YES

You must be new round these parts...lol i suggest you freshen up on who's who and who is doing what/working with Asus ;) Speculate that..:p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
If thats the case, you knew of no possibility of a release yesterday, but yet you raised the subject.If your so connected your statement, was dishonest and misleading or maybe your not quite as in the know as you think

I could truly care less about your super tester badge you have given yourself, it, doesn't change a thing.Thinking you are a VIP and actually being one is 2 different things

BTW i wouldn't be all that proud of your super beta tester badge you have given yourself, all things considered.Nice
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clenz:
WOW!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Ive already stated feedback on how stock browser is performing, for me, so far on new firmware.

BUT THE:

Silly back n forth antics will cease immediately. No need to bring it into this thread, which is a good one, which has a valid issue. We've already had several other threads shutdown. No need for me to recommend another one based on ones childish/envious/or whatever posts.

So on that note, since that "other" poster has not shown to help with anything, had any valid discussions, or provide any valuable contributing info to assist other xda users, other than recent personal rants/trolling against myself, I will put him on ignore. Simple solution.

If someone else has any other questions about how test firmware behaves with stock browsing experience, feel free to ask.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] surfdev:
I have a question regarding a slightly related issue.

When using the play store, does the UI lag while downloading updates of apps?

For exmaple, when downloading an update for one of the apps in the update list, it is currently hard to go to the next one (in the updates list) to see the "what's new" section of it quickly.

on .21, if I do try to "multi-task" this way, it'll really slow down and I'll eventually have to wait for the apps to update first before checking the others in the list.

Thanks demandarin for being the vocal one of the beta testers!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
at times it was still there but not nearly as bad as before. other times I didn't see it at all. I know the lag you speak of. I hate it also. its something specific to Google play store only. I think ICS gives that priority over everything else once a download occurs through play store.

what's weird is that I can use opera mobile or any other browser to do a huge download, 500-700mb+ file and never have any lag. I can still multitask and do everything else while it downloads in the background. I never have lag, even before this test firmware. So i think its more so of ICS priorities on Prime unfairly given to play store. no reason it should cause other system functions to lag when i can download larger files in browser and not experience lag at all.

good question though. I will be trying my modded build.prop with this firmware also to see the outcome. Once its released. my modded build.prop helped with that lag back on .21. it didn't completely eliminate it but helped alot. Could be possible to have even better results on new firmware. I will be updating my custom build.prop thread after new update drops. no since on making one for test firmware if there's a chance the firmware could change or be fine tuned slightly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Hey demandarin,

Have you mentioned or sent your modified build.prop to Gary?

From what I've read, it really improves the user experience... maybe it has some config items that Asus could/should include in the upcoming firmware (or a subsequent one.)

Thoughts?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Great idea!

Actually I haven't. Good idea though. I will ASAP. I'm not sure if his prime is rooted. He gonna have to root to try it out..lol. ill send him a copy and link to my thread to see if he can get the engineers/software people to look at it. I'm sure it has stuff they could use in there to bake into a firmware update. Thanks for the idea as I never really gave thought to that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
If the build.prop changes co-exist well with the scheduler fixes they're working on, I think Prime users would be really happy.

It seems a little weird for people to have to root and change the build.prop themselves... given the bang for the buck it apparently delivers, you'd think Asus would want to OTA it to everyone.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kasper31:
I am getting tired of having to wait for a stable browser that won't keep restarting the prime. It has been almost a month since Asus announced that an update was being release to fix the issue. Well having the power users post that it should be here for the Memorial day weekend and it is not here so quite posting false statements cause it pisses the non power users off hearing you gloat how awesome it is and then telling us it will be here for the long weekend and it does not show up.

I don't mind you sharing what you think of the new update or how it preforms but if it is working how it is suppose to why is it taking so long to release? This is what I and others where saying about Asus needing to include users of the Prime who are not Asus fanboys. Because all we keep hearing is it is stable and working great but for some unknown reason Asus won't release it. Well being that I am not an Asus fanboy I conclude that it has not been released yet due to problems being found that need to get fixed before it is released to the masses. That being the case the power users testing it and reporting it is stable and working better than .21 has me questioning what are they basing their opinion on. So instead of only posting the good about it post the problems being found with it also. That way we non power users will have a better idea of what is holding up the release of the new update.

Please remember this is just my opinion if you agree thank me if you don't thank me anyways.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
get a grip. will the conspiracy theories ever die out? they haven't released it yet simply because they don't want to yet. plain and simple. they not on our time. so just because it hasn't released yet, you assuming there must be problems. your statement has no facts to back it up as you not testing it. Asus could be simply adding more features or tweaking the final version before release, Based on testers feedback.

yes it is your opinion. but what do you have to back it up? just because it hasn't released yet is your reason? Asus chose who they did to test for their own reasons and on recommendation. Yes it is stable. Same is being said amongst the testers. Just be glad i care enough to vocalize the results up here. Since people curious as to how its performing. The others probably don't want to deal with forum feedback such as your post. Some are never satisfied and form their own opinion or assumption no matter what is told or by who. You not the only one tired and frustrated waiting on official release. Join the party.

plus No one specifically said it would release over the weekend. Only thing that was said was that " I would hope Asus would release it"

a couple people, lately, have been commenting on specifics which they know nothing about. Assumptions made on things they never seen or had a hand in testing.

don't mean to come off blunt but had to tell it like it is. The FANBOY talk is b.s. Its mentality talk like that which is reason why Asus dont choose certain people in this forum to test. they dont have time for childish name calling and branding of people. They here to try to get the job done and fix the issues at hand.

REMEMBER, me nor any other tester is obligated to say or release any details of the firmware and how its performing in this forum. Be grateful someone is posting feedback on it. Because i could've easily not said anything about it then people really be in the dark. Same with my GPS dongle test thread. i didn't have to tell anyone here on the results of my testing, before it released, if i didn't want to. Based on the thanks count of that thread and the positive feedback in it, most were grateful that i did.

With that said, ill take your post as a concerned member who is frustrated and wants results. Instead of what it seems like on the surface, which is a very biased and assumption driven post blinded by pessimistic view of the situation. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt because i know you are very frustrated and tired of waiting for update. We all are.