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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
No matter how simple you say it, some will not understand, or just vent at you for being a tester instead of them. I honestly wouldn't blame Asus for one second if they decide to just drop all updates here on XDA. I understand the frustration, but some of these post are just mind blowing. They ask you for info, YOU give it to them, and then they call you a fanboy! But some would love to be in your shoes or the other testers...too funny.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, isn't this purely based on assumptions that ppl are "jealous" for not being selected to test as MRCANNADY continues to argue as (I made it clear that I don't give a damn)? Plus, we all know your favorable "optimism" perspective towards Asus. If your general track record is consistently favorable to Asus & to be COMPLETELY BLUNT... you aren't exactly divulging any information or specifics as the person stated above.... what good is it ultimately?

We know your track record, I'm happy for you that you are consistently chosen to test (except the GPS dongle, you were completely unqualified in that aspect) but pretty much all of your "information" as you put it are.. basically... "yea, it works".

It might be best if you simply do not make any "comment" on the issue. I think I have said this in the past... you seriously need to curve your "enthusiasm". If things are continuing to get delayed & you continue to say "yea, everything works great".. while knowing that .. in the past.. you have always said... "yea, my Prime is perfect, it works great".... you are basically adding more fuel & frustration to those who are having issues as .... long delay in "update" + "it works great" doesn't exactly match well together.

Anyways... above statement is completely off-topic.

Now, back on topic....

Personally, I don't have an issue at the delay of f/w update. It is delayed... I can make an assumption that those who are testing the f/w found bugs (excluding from Demandarin) & enough feedback is received that Asus is continuing to debug/solve issues of the bugs that were found. I do not want an hasten/rushed firmware update that will only add more issues. I am actually.. for once, this update will be better compared to previous updates & hopefully... some aspect of "issues" that were found since LAUNCH are solved.

And to those who are impatient, but are hoping for "updates" on what the problems they are facing....

It is extremely difficult to go into all details during beta & debugging phase. Simply wait for the f/w update to drop & hope that ASUS releases changelog to see what they have exactly worked on....

***** on the f/w update once it is released (if it is horrible.. of course). Or ***** at Asus if Asus simply makes a statement that they have given up on Prime.....

But yea, it is annoying..... especially when you factor in by the constant "tease" by an individual.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
@Demandarin, continue to post any helpful info as you see fit. The majority of users here do appreciate your input, so dont be discouraged by the small few.

@Shinzz, you make some valid points, but if people dont want to read Demandarin's post , they dont have to, but most find his post useful...and since he is one a few who has direct contact with Asus, we appreciate his help. I'm sure you would be willing to help with info if YOU were in contact with Asus also, but too bad that's not the case. The more info we have here, the better.

So let's move from the personal attacks people, XDA is a thread for helpful info, not for attacking people who are only giving info on what they know, not for trolling, or trying to discredit a member for whatever personal reasons on almost EVERY post.(you know who you are)

Once Asus is satisfied with their OS, they will release it..when Gary has the ok from his boss to give an update, he will..but he does not work for anyone here..so all the complaining in the world wont make that change. Have some patience, the OS wont solve all of our issues, but from what has been stated, it will help solve a few important ones.

Have a great day all :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
People have an issue because Demandarin has a direct contact with Asus. And no, I wouldn't. If I'm given special privilege ... I would keep it to myself so that I continue to receive it without causing an issue. Also, I am lazy... I would simply let Asus handle their business.... =P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Yes, but for every one person who doesn't like his post, there are a handful who do, an this is why we thank him so much lol. Again, I'd rather hear news from him than nothing at all an/or just a few bad guesses, or misinformation. Even you can admit that he has posted some useful info regarding the Prime...come on, give him some credit Shinzz. :)

I actually would like to be an Asus tester/contact person, which doesn't mean that I have to be a fanboy, but to relay user complaints to Asus which by the way Demandarin HAS been doing. (Yes I know this much). So if we have a XDA user in contact with Asus, isn't that a good thing??

P.S. If you can give Demandarin an ounce of credit, I will buy you two beers the next time you're in New York I promise. I will be truly surprised guy. ;). ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
If that Asus representative is s/w dev or engineer. It's a different case when that Asus representative is PR/marketing person.

Btw, I have given Demandarin credit & even defended him on occasion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
I hear what you're saying, but again..Demandarin can chose if he wants to make a statement or not, and people can chose whether or not they want to read his post.

oh yeah?? lol..forget the beers then ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vittogn:
TX for the update.

Can you try the site www.repubblica.it and report how scroll and pinch is working? Flash must be active!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
I don't care who's testing or what there opinion is.

Just tell me if the dam thing works or not. As of now it blows being smoked by much cheaper and lesser tabs. If you look how Samsung tested ICS for the Epic touch you would see how many builds are required to squash bugs. Thousands of testers for months on 30 plus factory leaks give feedback for the E4GT not including test groups. I would like to see Asus try a experiment like Samsung did with E4GT but then again Asus has that warranty lock down thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mbucks911:
i have also had this problem, the workaround does not fix it. another BIG issue i think is related is that every couple of pages, the thing will just not load a new page at all, with the same wifi connection as before, on any browser. the least bad browser for this issue is dolphin for tab. there is no browser not responding thing, and the other tabs i have still work, but if i try to load a new page it will just hang. its sooooo annoying, and usually requires a reboot to get it loading again. i end up having to do like 3-4 reboots for just 30 mins of browsing. and while its frozen, other internet related things, such as play store, still load. its weird and never happens on my sgs2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
During those occasion, try to clear your browser cache, history.. and etc in the browser setting before you reboot (or simply clear the data in the app setting). You have to do it often..... & it doesn't always work.. but it beats rebooting each time.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
funny you mention the play store loads when your browser doesnt respond. The only time my prime has ever become unresponsive I noticed that the store was running automatic updates all at the same time to 12 apps. I turned off automatic updating for every app and choose to do it manually when I think it might be worth while and when I dont need to use my prime. I have never had it become unresponsive since.

Of course I realize this is not exactly the situation you are describing but its as close as I have come to it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that makes complete sense. I have over 190 apps so I don't know if ill go in and cut off automatic updates to each n everyone..lmfao. but that definitely would eliminate the lag coming from play store. As I have apps like titanium backup and others who seem to update every day. SMH.

good idea though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
You should turn off automatic updates to save battery life. I have 150 apps installed on my Prime right now and I just update them all once a week. The Play Store lets you update any number of apps with the push of a single button so its not all that arduous to update your apps manually :)

This also helps with performance issues with stuff like the browser and games, since you know that the Play Store won't try to update your apps when you are in the middle of doing something.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] banderos101:
I think its worth noting the the performance hit from the playstore happens when the prime installs the app and not when it does the actual downloading of the app, that is, at least in my case

If thats true for everyone else, i think that would be a distinction a

xda/asus dev would need to know if they plan on diagnosing the problem, assuming this is'nt common knowledge.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I think it'll be worth going in and cutting off auto update. it'll eliminate the lag when it installs and save more battery.

update: I went in and cut off like 98% of the auto updates. it wasn't as tedious as i thought. I left some essential ones on auto as I always want them on latest version. like busybox, Asus updater, etc...those don't hardly update much anyways. then I can always set prime to manually update apps when i go to sleep or not going to use it.

you are right. lag comes from when the app gets installed not when initially I've noticed that also.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bulgarien:
"I left some essential ones on auto as I always want them on latest version. like busybox, Asus updater, etc.."

Asus updater ..Why should that be important? We never will get the update that fix Primes Beta status? How lang have we been waiting ? Not a just a week or two, but many month without anything.

Meanwhile when Asus ignore us I can see they have time and capacity to produce and sell new tablets. It is so clear that they dont care about their old customers. Not before and not after a deal.

I'm finish with Asus and will go for Samsung instead. They are to big to fail and will not go out and sell people a beta tablet like Asus have done with us.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] indie13:
God xda is becoming moaning central. Yes the prime has issues but there is an update coming so just chill or close your pie hole.

Oh can everyone also stop having a pop at demandarin, his information is always good and he is the type of person we need on xda not the moaners and haters.

Can we keep on topic or this thread will be closed like the others.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kevinm2k:
This is the main issue that I have with using the prime, my S2 runs immaculate with no slow down at all so it is annoying that my 'faster' prime does have slow down!

Hopefully the new update will solve this - anyone have any ideas when the update might come out? I.e. within next week, month, year - not looking for exacts just estimations.

Not too bothered about any extra features but the slow down throughout the system is definitely the biggest issue. It isn't just the browser - so many freezes here and there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ariadnejro:
I have good news. The AOKP team has posted a flashable zip that changes the default kernel scheduler (only works on AOKP) that makes the browsing experience totaly smooth. It seems that all the lags were caused by a scheduler not suited to multicore processors.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
Now we only need that scheduler to official firmware. I am definitely not opening my bootloaders for 599 euro tablet to work properly. :D Stupid bootloader policy anyway.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fsured:
I apologize if this question seems noobish but with 190 apps installed on a system, could that also be causing slowdown in the prime? I just picked 190 as an example since that number was used previously. But with say 36 downloaded apps which run in the background from start, wouldn't all these programs that are not being used consume resources from the over all experience?

Example: Google+. I don't use it often but it seems to start automatically when I look up apps which are running. Or a game like Let's Golf 3 or Blood and Glory have code which starts them up automatically also.

They may be small amounts of resources used but add it up between 50+ apps on the system and it may be enough to cause lag in what we really want running such as the browser. Programing isn't my cup of tea and I don't know how to do anything in regards to it, but if were having problems with the hardware reading and writing data to the internal sdcard which stores just about everything, could turning off these process could help some?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Things that turn themselves on and then have the nerve to crash in the background are quickly uninstalled from my prime. ScoreMobile was doing this. Funny how an app can never even be used and crash in the background.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
The running services can cause lag if they consume cpu power in the background. G+ service probably does not use cpu just for fun. I guess its there for the auto upload and etc. Installed apps themselves shouldnt slow the system down. I had 100+ apps on my SGS2 and it did not have this issue on GB or ICS. Also my old Huawei has 50+ apps and not any random lockups.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
With the long delay & constant "tease".... this upcoming (whenever that is) update better be good. Expectations are raised.......
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Yup I hoping its good.

Just got done testing my Prime and my wifes GTab2 7" in a head to head browser test. It doesn't matter what browser is being used the Gtab always wins

which really pisses me off seeing how the Gtab is ($249)half the price.

The Prime destroys the Gtab in all bench tests but not real world usefulness.

Its driving me insane.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
Good to see that AOPK team has fixed this annoying problem, flashing within an hour! Asus you should hire Jermaine's team ...

Can any of the Asus Beta testers say if this is what asus implemented also?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
implemented what? What is it specifically?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
A new scheduler that works properly with quad-core.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
The only thing that might bug me more than the issue itself is the prime users that don't think there's any browser problems or what ever the real underlying issue is.

But hopefully soon every one will have a prime the way it should have been in the first place.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
what scheduler is that? If you mean Cfq i/o scheduler, then we had that ability before aokp came here. you can change i/o schedulers with app in developement or themes n apps called "Atp Tweaks" you only need root to use it. It has cfq & other schedulers to try out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
its an odd issue indeed. I don't think users are just ignoring the issue, but some really don't have it, or not affecting them as badly as it's affecting others. I use Dolphin HD, and the default browser, and I cant confirm that it works a lot faster than the browsers on my wife's Samsung Galaxy Tab. My scrolling is smoother, pages load quickly and even with flash running. I have no reason at all to lie people..the ONLY time that my Prime stutters is when downloading any apps (large files). I am sure that the issue is partially caused by certain apps that run in the background that some of us use and some don't.

The way that the system handles memory allocations needs to be tweaked, the update supposedly addresses this, but how much is left to be seen. This will always be an issue with Android though, as some apps are allowed to run in the background, some can misbehave and cause issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Yes, I know there are various options, but he was talking about whether Asus has fixed the scheduler issues.

I mean, the whole issue is not having to root to get things working smoothly, right? Ideally stock should work.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vvveith:
A very wise statement!

I mean really, even if one were given access to a beta test build of some new firmware, after buying the device with their own finances, why should any of us have to troubleshoot and solve known issues and waste more of our time and energy, (finances-= time plus energy ), to finally arrive at the product we paid for in the first place? I mean somehow, why should I or anyone else be pimped by ASUS has if we are their little hoe, doing favors for them to help them make money that should rightfully be our own? They have not offered any concessions for solving their problems and you can bet that the people working on it at their company are receiving compensation.

Really, there are a lot of developers and intuitive people here who are inadvertently working for ASUS. This is not a bad situation when they also give us what we need to help them. It seems to me at this point to be rather one sided, the users and community are the only ones making progress and then ASUS will implement and capitalize on their hard work with just a halfhearted, "thank you." I believe it may be better for those who are developing fixes to keep them to themselves and hostage them to Asus and at least receive something for their time. IMO, as always but sheesh, I don't like being treated and used like a whore. :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] s1lenz:
...is this your first pony show?

So far Asus has:

- updated to ICS about 3 weeks after the release of the prime, like they said they would.

- gave us a bootloader unlocking tool when they didn't have to.

- put out numerous timely updates in relation to other android manufacturers.

- put two customer service reps in a forum that's not officially theirs when they didn't have to.

- taken back primes for full refunds in some parts of europe.

- manufactured gps dongles and handed them out for free for customers that requested them.

Are they perfect? No not at all. Their RMA centers are horrible. But they're doing things that are far outside the scope of anything that could be done by any member of this forum to address issues with their product. And the people that contribute to fix the issues with their prime do it out of love, not because they're being "whored out by ASUS" as you so eloquently stated.

I know it seems like the Android world revolves around XDA, but the truth XDA makes up a niche of customers that love tinkering with their products. To imply that Asus somehow has employees here to harvest "fixes and patches" for their issues because their team of engineers can't figure it out for themselves and need the help of the rascally band of xda developers to save the Prime is a premise to a bad Disney movie at best.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
Its just the CFQ, same thing that was posted int he dev form months ago. http://rootzwiki.com/topic/21161-ro...t-build-37-5242012/page__st__1140#entry708858
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Sigh...fine, doesn't really matter because that's not the point. The point is, he was wondering whether Asus has fixed their scheduler woes.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Not sure. they never mentioned that change. so can't say if they did or didnt. I can try to find out though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
At this point, any info would be great! ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ill1:
I dont agree with how he said it, it brings the forum down. But I get the frustration. Of the items on your list, the first two are actual customer service, the third I guess, I mean I bought the prime so who cares what other Android makers do?... The last two those are customer service after the fact better known as damage control. The rest of your post your just rationalizing on behalf of Asus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
So far Asus has:

- updated to ICS about 3 weeks after the release of the prime, like they said they would. Yes they did!!!

- gave us a bootloader unlocking tool when they didn't have to. Without nvFlash & blamed it on Nvidia. But at the same time, Acer had unlock bootloader & nvFlash from launch. They didn't have to give us unlock bootload tool... except, Asus went on a PR/marketing movement where they support OPEN community.(yes, before Transformer Prime was even launched).

- put out numerous timely updates in relation to other android manufacturers. Did numerous & timely update solve anything except add on more issues since launch?

- put two customer service reps in a forum that's not officially theirs when they didn't have to. This was done after all the media assault, constant XDA *****ing, and class-action lawsuit. Seems more like dmg control to me .... so, yes.. this act of Asus isn't exactly out of good will.

- taken back primes for full refunds in some parts of europe.

And in some parts of US as well, but refunds were started to hand out after all the *****ing, media assault, and class-action lawsuit. Oh, and it isn't exactly easy to gain refund... nor do the avg. user (if not participating in XDA or other forums) exactly know about it.

- manufactured gps dongles and handed them out for free for customers that requested them. Not free because GPS was included & advertised feature. Yes, that means you paid for GPS feature.

> But they're doing things that are far outside the scope of anything that could be done by any member of this forum to address issues with their product.

Yea, very true. Except... you are neglecting the fact that Asus is the only one who is responsible & can ultimately do anything. And unlike Sony & etc... who have their own engineers and s/w dev. working with the XDA community.... Asus has brought us PR/Customer Service rep. Yes, I am thankful .. but also, they aren't exactly an "angel" as you may think either....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
Unfortunally after flashing AOPK build 37 with CFQ patch i sill have problems.

Browser locks up less frequently but when it does the whole tablet reboots (like it did before).

Also experienced SOD twice in one evening...

Waiting hopefully for stable Asus release......................................
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RubenRybnik:
I've flashed the CFQ scheduler as well, and I have to say I see a pretty large improvement. Using Opera, but had market updates installing, a web page loading and alt tabbing to see if I could get it to be non-responsive. Just installing Market updates alone would hang up the system and make it non responsive( although it would come back ) during the installs ... with CFQ I haven't seen this once. I highly recommend giving it a try if you haven't already.

And before someone says it, no, this is not a fix, it's a bandage ... And so far a pretty good one, but like everyone else I'm awaiting for an official fix from Asus, but this helps elliviate the problems in the meantime. ( For me at least )