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[Eee Pad Transformer General] goosegrease:
To clarify, I had more of apps and accessory availabilities in mind when I was writing my post. When I'm away for a couple days and forget to pack a charger/cable for my iphone/ipod, no biggie - I can easily borrow one or buy one. If I forget my transformer cable, whelp. Similarly it's a lot easier to get carrying cases and skins for iOS devices. Yeah, I get that it has nothing to do with Apple stuff being better, but rather being more ubiquitous.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] letsgophillyingeneral:
Seriously. If you're an older adult unfamiliar with technology, Apple/Mac software will be just as frustrating, if not more frustrating. More? Yes, more. If you're an old-head coming from a PC, using a Mac can and probably will be more frustrating. "Where's the X?", "What the heck is this green, red and yellow light thingy", "Where is the Start Menu?".. the list goes on and on.

I think iTunes is one of the biggest hassles that comes along with using an iOS device. A person shouldn't be forced to use software in order to transfer media or documents to their mobile devices. iTunes truly is a huge hassle.

The hardware plays a role, too. Example: a director approached me asking if he could pull the photos from his old Blackberry. I took the microSD from his Blackberry, placed it in my Transformer and inserted a USB flash drive in the dock to transfer the photos to. 1 minute and 1 device later, the director has his photos on a USB flash drive ready to go. I'd like to see an iPad do that.

I'd also like to see an iPad connect to a TV via HDMI and play N64, SNES, GTA3, etc. using a Sony PS3 controller. Oh wai... And someone said iPads are better for gamers? Hmmm... Last time I checked, hardcore gamers don't like touch input.

Speaking of gaming.. Maclol. I've played PC games for as long as I can remember, so using a Mac was never an option. Hell, I could game more on my Commodore 64 than on an iMac (well, maybe not now that Steam is available on Mac).

That is the one thing that pisses me off about the Transformer - the charging/data cable. Why why why why whyyyyyy did that have to go with some proprietary crap. I partially agree - your iPhone cables are widely available, but they're also very expensive. Not to mention how fragile they are.

I can't stand how Apple products have taken over the media industry. There are so many sweet audio receivers with iPod support. WHAT THE BALLS. I want that kind of feature, but I don't want to be forced to use a stupid iPod. My Dell Jukebox mp3 player was just as good as the iPod and cost almost half as less. To the average consumer: I hate you. Not every MP3 player is a freaking iPod! God damn you. God freaking damn you.

Fact: Apple and it's retarded consumer base officially changed the definition of Tablet Computer. Thanks, asshats.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] TheUndertaker21:
In my college i think i seen 10 people with android tablets

everyone else owns an IPad..when i asked them why they bought this huge IPod touch all relied the same thing "its made by Apple" it looks cool"

i showed them my TF101 and they all went " wow you can do that "" but its not apple i dont want it" lolz

back to the main topic here

i used to have an IPad 2 sold it because i needed a laptop and because it couldn't do my school work. i got my TF101 like 3 months ago..man, this thing is a beast

plus ive already owned an android phone(HTC G2, HTC SENSATION) so i knew about root and what not.

IOS VS Android

all comes down to which one is more stable, has more apps, more support,malware free. yes IOS would win. but if you looking for something with more features well Android is the right IOS for you.

i never recommended android to my friends because i know they would come to me with stupid questions.

maybe thats why IOS is that popular because even android users think IOS is right for new users.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
There was a study talked about on the news recently that found that the iPad is the only brand of tablet most people know. There aren't many television commercials for any other tablets, and television commercials are where most non-techies get their product information. They aren't scouring tech websites and blogs. The only Android tablet television campaign I can remember was the Motorola Xoom commercial, and that didn't run for very long or very often. Perhaps the various Android companies plus Google should form a group, each throw in a few bucks and use the pooled money to buy marketing. That's what the Blu-Ray group did.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
As you can see from my Signature, I've been on both sides of the fence on this one, and I have to say this. The original iPad was great, and if they made one just like it as far as heft and feel, I'd own it too. The new iPad feels like paper, and I'm a clumsy fool. That's why I went with the TF101 instead of the Prime, as well. Android, as it is, as it comes out of the box, is better, in my opinion, than iOS as it is, as it comes out of the box. As you get into jailbreaking and rooting and custom ROMs however, the line blurs, because a lot of the features that you love in one get mixed into the other, and as long as you do a bit of digging, you can make either one whatever you'd like.

As far as usability, nothing beats the Transformer. I'm sitting here staring at mine, and it looks like a tiny little laptop, USB connections and all. Its got a TB of external space, a mouse AND mousepad, and the only reason I haven't completely ditched my laptop is because of my ORD, and my inability to let that last little safety net go if I bork my devices.

The iPad, on the other hand, was my daily driver for a month, as I'd left my computer at college over a spring break that turned into a spring month, between my enlistment woes and my inability to make it back to school on my budget. I can see the TF101 being a daily driver, but even with the (very finicky) keyboard dock on the iPad, I struggled to do things I really didn't have trouble with normally (multi-tab power searching comes to mind)

As far as phones, the iPhone loses to any droid I've owned, played with, or even looked at (at least on the same price level, the Backflip was what drove me to Apple, after all) The software is great, but the phone is just too fragile and delicate to carry around and beat up on a daily basis.

In conclusion, What I tell people, and what usually convinces them one way or another if they're on the fence, is this: an iPhone or an iPad is an Apple device. They've taken the time and they've damn near perfected the iOS experience. An Android is YOUR device. You make it what you want it to be. Its a difficult road, but if you're willing to invest the hours into tweaking and perfecting your little 10.1" slice of software landscape, it'll do anything you want it to. If not, Apple's done a fine job of tweaking and perfecting their little 9.7" slice to do exactly what they want it to.

I just want to throw this in at the end, as an edit. After reading a LOT of the reviews on here, I do want to solidify my stance. I will, and do recommend iOS devices to a LOT of people. Some people don't have the time, the technological inclination, or the need for a device they bend to their will. Some want the stellar usability Apple offers in their devices. So be it, no use selling an old lady a Ferrari to drive to church on Sundays. However, among my learned, learning, and eager to learn friends, I always spread the Android love (and a hefty cough or sneeze of ORD as well)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uiterlix:
Anyone checked the new linkedin app for iPad already? And yet, no such thing for android tablets....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
and its missed about as much as Instagram was.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Anyway, this was about the OS, not the hardware, right? (Although, I do concede that it's hard to separate the two when it's about Apple..)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] GeBoe:
Why are you putting a slash forward between the O and the S?

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[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
And you blame this on who now? Us? Google? Android? Please explain.

Open it in a web browser.

---------- Post added at 07:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:02 AM ----------

I just checked, and it's right here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.linkedin.android
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Yawn... Is that the best you can come up with?

I love playing Apperatus (Little Bit Planet for Android), And yet, no such thing for ipad tablets

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bithack.apparatus&hl=en
[Eee Pad Transformer General] letsgophillyingeneral:
Wow, I never knew this. That would be a huge pain in the ass.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
It can definitely be done with jailbreak, which I know the post you quoted was comparing stock/stock. The file managers in the main Cydia repo, however, are very basic, and there are maybe two of them, both paid.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
And what about when jailbreak disappears? Seems to get anywhere near Android levels of functionality, you have to jailbreak the ipad and hope that Apple don't fix it soon..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Who says the general user base needs all that functionality?

Sometimes, a really good Chef's knife is all you need and a Victorinox Swiss Champ multi-function knife is just overkill.

That's the problem with most Android users: we assume that everyone wants or needs a 30 piece multitool, when all that's needed is a single, reliable blade.

My wife, my father, my brother, my two kids, my friends wife, my cousin don't need "Android levels of functionality ". I'm sure that others, like them, don't need (or want) anything other than an iOS device. This is where the debate ends. Not everyone wears the same shoes.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] DilloDroid:
that's about as simple as it gets

A lot of people just want something that works that they don't have to think about. Apple works well for them.

Then there's us inner and outer geeks that like to tweak our stuff like we do our women...Android fits the bill.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Vyrlokar:
What a mess! out of curiosity (I'm no iPad owner, had an iPod for a while, and got so sick of iTunes that never considered getting an iOS device), how did you fix the issue? One idea would be to upload the photos to some photo sharing or cloud storage service (if iOS allows that. Does Dropbox for iPad allow camera uploads like it allows on Android?), and get them from there, but it's definitively not ideal.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuckonduhmode:
I've found that with the apple app store, if you thought about how to do something with an app, most likely you'll find that someone probably already thought about it and created that app. You just need to look. I can't say that too often for android unfortunately. iOS usually has better counterparts within the same app as well.

To answer your question, the app that will most likely solve that your friend's problem is Photo Transfer App. They have it on android as well. It lets you transfer photos and videos wirelessly from ios to ios devices, android to android, as well as allowing you to download them from your osx or windows browser. Seems you could also share photos between android and iOS. Videos are the exception though. They just all have to be on the same network.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
He opted out of iCloud, but transferring 10's of GB's of photos over the Internet is not a good solution anyway.

The workaround I found was to use iTunes on the PC (well, that's the only choice anyway) and have it backup the iPad to PC. Then go into Windows Explorer, set it to show hidden files, go to the user profile directory, go to the Application Data subdirectory, go to the iTunes subdirectory, go to the backups subdirectory, and then find the directory for the iPad backup you just did. In this directory, you will find the content files from the iPad individually backed up to the PC but all the files will have strings of random letters and numbers for filenames and will be missing any file extensions. Copy these files into another directory, add JPEG extensions to the filenames, and then try opening them to see if they are really JPEGs. The ones that are JPEGs, you keep and rename their random character filenames to something more appropriate. The ones that aren't, you delete, or, if you know what kind of file they are supposed to be, you rename, give it the appropriate file extension instead and test opening/playback to verify.

stuckonduhmode: Not that this was meant to be a comparison, but Android does not have this problem, obviously, because, out of box, Android doesn't restrict user access to and transfer of their own content files. A simple USB connection to the PC would have been all it took for an Android device. There is no need to fling stones at anyone else over this. I feel this is an iTunes problem. iTunes was not designed to handle photos properly, and it feels like something that was added on at the last second. The camera adapter kit also seems half-baked, in my opinion. Not only does it have this problem of only transferring files one way, it handles video files wrong. Video files are imported into the same destination as the photos, so the video files do not show up in the Movies app. I guess the real culprit there is Apple's Photo app because that is the program that handles the camera adapter transfer. Not only do the videos end up showing in the Photos app instead of the Movies app and can't be moved, for some reason, they don't play despite being Apple Quicktime .mov videos. Thanks for the app suggestion. I will let him know about it, though I was hoping to find a solution that doesn't require spending even more money on this.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kevchaps:
Soooo, Beta porn vs. Vhs porn?:confused: Which to choose. Big bush or really big bush:p

In all seriousness, as many others have said, it really is a personal preference.

I used to love ios, however, it was new tech, and not without its problems when jailbroken, whether using winterboard, or sometimes just the jailbreaking process.

That being said, my first android tablet was an og galaxy tab, and, surprisingly, I fell in love with android os. Customizing, torrents that actually work, no need for an extra prog for pc transfers.

And, in most cases, external storage, which i know isnt os relevant, but it stands true across all ios, no external storage.

Honestly, I like both. No point bashing one os to another. They both have quirks, they both have their strengths.

It really, truly is an apples to oranges argument
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
There you go again, pretending Android is the OS for tweakers/geeks/hackers and "real" consumers are better off with iOS. Sorry, that's just apple bull**** right there.

iOS is MORE complicated than Android.

When I switch my Android tablet on, my homescreen has widgets that show the weather forcast for the next 3 days, the local news, and my current music playlist.

I have to open lots of apps on iOS do do this basic stuff... Perhaps some iOS owner can tell me how a big long list of static icons that open apps is "better" than a user's choice of homescreen widgets, folders and icons that Android users enjoy..

iOS being "easier" is just a myth. people can confusing a very simple OS with no flexability with "easy", which is tosh, as I could apply that and tell you my desktop calculator is "easier" than iOS, as it's only got some numbers and a couple of function keys.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nebucatnetzer:
I have another nice example for that. To change the sound settings under iOS you've to go /settings/general/more (might be called different) /sounds

Under Android its /Settings/Sound

However I'm sure Android has similar disadvantages I just don't notice them because I'm used to them.

Android isn't really more complicated it has just far more options if you use them is up to you.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
Eloquently?

**Edit** to make this a useful post, to answer your question about photos from the iPad, if you jailbreak it, you can install a file explorer on the iPad, or use i-funbox to extract files from the iOS system. You MIGHT not need jailbreak for i-funbox, its very vague on the site, and I never tried it while locked.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] swest6602:
If you are still looking for an answer try drop box. You can move the photos from the iPad to your drop box. Drop box also auto uploads photos from iOS the same as it does with Android. If the photos are in an alternate folder you should be able to choose it. I have Android & iOS devices. I am just a regular user (not a dev) but am pretty good with both types. If you have issues let me know & I will try it on my iPAD (new version so it is not jailbroken).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cspiby:
I was getting sick of my Transformer on ICS so I gave my dads iPad2 a go, I have no brand loyalty so my opinion is completely impartial, but one thing that really stuck out was the multitasking on Android is so much nicer than an iOS, also it appears that even with the lags of ICS it's still faster to do mundane tasks like copy and pasting between apps.

I also find the stock browser much better than the iOS one, I really missed the quick slider the appears on the right to quickly move up and down the page.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] GideonB234:
From my standpoint as a music gamer, I'm definitely more swaying towards the iOS side of things for tablets. They have a better selection of games (jubeat and reflec beat being accessible outside of Japan is a huge plus) and the games that have both iOS and Android releases are more stable on an iPad compared to my Transformer (however that may be because of the ICS ****up)

Still from any other standpoint, I prefer Transformer. I can actually get coursework done it (that keyboard is useful for something), use it as a proper netbook hooked up to my PC and do a lot more things that I want to do on it compared to what I limitations I'd have with iOS. Also I apparently owe Apple £20 so I wouldn't be able to get any Apps. Which sucks.

Also the fact I /could/ port Ubuntu onto it is a good enough option for me to stick with my Transformer.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dm36415:
Actually, not enough said.

Both open and closed environments have their benefits and drawbacks.

I have and use both devices (need to stay current with the technology for our company). We have users that would would never be satisfied with iOS, as they are compelled to tinker and customize. As artistic and creative as the stereotypical iOS fans are portrayed, it is simply amazing to me that they have not more fully embraced the Android operating system, as it is so much more versatile than iOS in that area.

However, I do have employees that need/want a solution that works right out of the box with the consistency of all the other devices, which iOS provides very well. It is simple to use, smooth, and predictable.

To get off on a bit of a sidetrack here, I think back on the famous 1984 commercial by Apple, and challenge anyone to counter the fact that the Apple line of mobility products and user base has become exactly what the company parodied in that advertisement.

In summation, both are excellent operating systems, neither is perfect for everybody. Comparing one to another is simply not useful. Individuals need to understand their personal requirements and tastes, and select one or the other. A simple analogy can be made with vehicles (NOTE I AM NOT SAYING ONE PLATFORM IS ONE OR THE OTHER, IT IS SIMPLY A USER SELECTION ANALOGY). Almost everyone would agree that the Mercedes S-Class is a fine vehicle, but if your requirements are to get your cattle to market, you would be disappointed if you select that vehicle.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
Thanks a ton for reminding me I can't play iubito anymore -_- I almost bought an iPod touch just for that game after my iPhone died.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nebucatnetzer:
What about your article? Do you finished it already?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PatrikSelin:
I'm doing first iPad reviews (in Finnish), and then make Android vs iOS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PatrikSelin:
The Finnish version of the article is 50 percent complete (English version will come later. I also have a job so please give me time).

I would like to hear what direction Google or Apple should develop their operating system. What would you like to see in the future?