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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jamesey10:
I second that. Opera Mobile doesn't have the "wait" issue.

My stock browser didn't have the issue either until ASUS started rolling out upgrades.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoMagus:
Are you running on battery saver or balanced? Since changing that setting myself I have not had this issue anymore... AT ALL. Stock ICS browser. I only run in performance though thats the only thing I can think of for you guys cause it definitely worked for me
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] asicman:
If you want ASUS to notice this topic, send Gary Key a PM. I sent him one about the browser issue a few weeks ago and he was unaware of it- seemingly oblivious to threads which talk about the issue. If more people PM him, the more likely he will take it seriously.....The problem exists and browsing on this tablet is pure ****.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pileot:
The galaxy S2 also uses a modified browser. If you want, try loading the browser apk from the S2 onto the prime.

FFS people, do you even TRY using the search button?

Why is web browsing laggy on my Prime, but ridiculously smooth on my Nexus?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1593079

OPT - Often Posted Threads.... Sigh read this first please

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1595175

(Seriously, why is this not stickied already?)

The stock browser sucks, we know this. Its not the same browser as on your phone. Its the same as me saying "Google chrome on my computer works wonderfully why doesnt my web browser on my android tablet work as good?" its because they are different. Deal with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
Yes we all know the Prime browser sucks. But why. We also know others working with the Android releases from Google managed to put in a good browser. Maybe some optimize/rewrote the hell out of it or another left it mostly intact while others got their changes wrong.

Its somehow ok for Asus/Nvidia doing a rather poor job compared to others especially most are using the same A9 class cpus?

Yea why I wonder why we don't have a sticky since there's so many of these threads.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gbh62:
I've tried them all. OperaMobile doesn't give the WAIT problem. Do not enable Turbo mode. That does seem to cause he browser to completely crash pretty regularly. Also, I've noticed the browser does seem to get laggy after awhile. I get around this by just uninstalling, then reinstalling the browser.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
Yes Opera Mobile doesn't give you the wait message.Instead it just crashes on mine & that's with turbo turned off.Opera crashed on me so many times i just uninstalled it last night!!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] juvenile43:
Had a theory that maybe it had to do with forcing hw acceleration in dev options haven't had time to test.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jrkart99:
I have tried the work arounds, nothing helped. I'm on balanced mode, but that really shouldn't be there issue. this is just annoying.

I pm'd GK, we will sees if he gets back to me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] agzela:
Are using any ad remove app? Cause when I add thousands of entries to the hosts file it is understandable that the browser would be slower and hang........
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
WOW!! Just installed Quick ICS Browser & it's faster than Opera Mobile in scrolling & page loading...Now i can delete Opera mobile,boat,ICS browser +,etc.Just a heads up to anyone sick of slow page rendering,scrolling,etc.I will be buying the donate version too!!!:)

Haven't got a "wait" message yet!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cragains:
Oh yeah, gonna try it now before I reflash my rom, will test for a few hours
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
I dont know where the problem is but the Opera Mobile is basically only browser that does not hang. I think this "Browser not responding" problem is the real problem with this device. These tablets are meant for web surfing. I think even my Huawei Ideos X5 4.0.4 1.8ghz performs better with stock browser.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lyvewire:
Everything was going smooth then out of nowhere.."Unfortunately the browser has stopped"".. smh Just when I thought there was hope!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
What the heck?!! I've actually been trying to get a message like that but just can't lol no matter how hard i try.I even loaded up some flash heavy websites & started scrolling to the bottom expecting Quick ICS Browser to lock up but lol ....No dice.Try a restart my friend.This is the 1st browser i've used that actually made me delete Opera Mobile because it loads pages just as fast & if not faster & plays flash like there's no tomorrow lol.

Also shoot the dev an email if you're having any problems.I have my UA string set to Internet Explorer 10 too ...That alone is beast!!! Hope this helps you out.:cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techienana:
There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to this problem. I have tried all the browsers except OM and based on what I read here, I can just bypass that. I get the wait message frequently, but at least half of the time I try to interact with the page before it is done loading. I've had it happen on apps, too. So it would seem to be something other than the browsers themselves. ICS+ for me doesn't do any better. I have several browsers and when I get frustrated with one, I just copy the link where I am and move to a different browser.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ken830:
Will we ever get a fix for or acknowledgement of this problem!?!? It's seriously the only thing that sucks about the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dalingrin:
Since all Android browsers, except for Opera Mobile, Chrome and Firefox, use the same webkit as stock browser, I wouldn't expect them to perform differently. They are just different UIs for the same browser.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, this is interesting. This is an old article that I simply dislodged at the time (simply due to all the hype and excitement that I followed with Transformer Prime)...

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/

Some interesting quote:

"Back to the technology, Nvidia added a fifth A9 core to the CPU and built it on TSMC’s new 40LPG process. This process allows you to build a 40G (40nm General purpose) chip with 40LP (40nm Low Power) ‘islands’, a best of both worlds scenario, right? If you look at the ARM A9 web page, specifically the performance tab, you can see the differences between the two A9 cores, albeit both on 40G. 40LP should shave some power off of the total along with some clock speed. The idea is to have the LP core running when loads are light, then fire up the other four big cores when demand is there, moving the work to them. Again, a win/win, right?

In both cases, the answer is, “sort of, but……”. The first “sort of” is the performance, you will take a big hit on the transfer from the LP core to the G cores, but we would assume that Nvidia engineers have figured out how to minimize this impact. Either way, you will take a latency hit as well as a power hit in moving all that data, the best you can do is minimize how often you have to switch."

"Tegra 3, even at it’s reduced volumes, delayed introduction, and massive added costs is a performance monster, right? Well, no, it isn’t, it is quite frankly a dog. The main problem is that Nvidia doubled the core count, 2 to 4, upped shaders from 8 to 12, and didn’t add any memory controllers. They still have one controller for all of it, but the maximum speed is upped from 600 to 1066MHz LPDDR2. This would be significant if Tegra 2 wasn’t already a laggard in this area, and the speed increases actually make up for the increases in horsepower. Additionally, L2 cache remains the same as Tegra 2 carries, compounding the memory pain."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Yes, it's a pain in the ass. When you store bookmarks, you're given the option to store them to your gmail account or locally. If you choose to store them locally, they'll persist over a reboot (browser2ram syncs to local storage periodically, but not to the "cloud").
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vvveith:
Straying from the topic, but I have to ask.

Where the heck did you find negative information on the HD2, a legendary phone that because of user feedback right here, I purchased and loved it, even today it is running ICS and Windows, It will always remain one of the best devices ever made in adaptability and usability. If only I could make such a comparison about this device, that would be a honor. I would not even mention Asus Transformer Prime and HD2 in the same breath, they are worlds apart. The only thing this device as done perfectly is transfer my cash into asus's bank. I've learned to use it for the features it can handle and am waiting patiently for a response from them about Transforming my money back to my hands. That to me would be the best fix and work around for this device, If I had done all the research you say you did so late in the game on this device, wisdom tells me, "Don't waste your money or your time, Asus is not going to pay you for the hours you spend trying to fix a broken device." Not worth wasting valuable time over. Patience has proved to be in vein and I do not see any resolutions in the near future! I hope that maybe I will have to bite my tongue on this, only time will tell. If the give me the opportunity to get out of this with my skin, I'm going to jump at the opportunity. That's what research does for me. :mad: End rant, back on topic: Did everyone see Gary's recent post? Check it out on his INFO page. Good stuff. Peace, V

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The geeks or die hard Nvidia fans, disagree. I have been using Nvidia graphics cards from their birth. The have always met or exceeded my expectations, right now I'm using their latest offerings running in SLI with 3D vision, and their performance, everything from Alan Wake to Battlefield 3 is stellar! But when it comes to there mobile implementations, I can say nothing, this is my first and if found to be the root of all problems on this Prime disaster, will be my last. They know their **** when it comes to graphics cards but maybe not so with mobile devices. I wait for the jury on this. Great read though!!!!!! :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
The One X does not have the issues the Prime has so i guess its not NVidia but Asus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dalingrin:
While I agreed the lack of a faster memory controller and cache is a potential bottleneck in some situations, it is not the cause of the browser performance issues. This is especially evident by the fact that using Browser2Ram completely fixes the performance issues. Using Browser2Ram should make performance worse if memory was really a major bottleneck.

The memory bottleneck talked about in the semiaccurate article is only an issue with the absolute most peak performance the CPU can offer. Frankly, this is not the purpose of NVIDIA's quad core cpu. Despite what people like to think, Tegra 3 was designed around power management rather than peak performance. Tegra 3 should have been more responsive than Tegra 2 but have the same power usage due to P = V^2 * R. Unfortunately, the TF201 is very I/O bottlenecked so we don't see the increased responsiveness.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
True, but I/O being bottlenecked.. compounded by lack of memory controller and etc... we can sort of see this as possibility for erratic behavior of Tegra 3 devices, game performance... and few other niggling issues.

Edit: Would love to see Asus & Nvidia release the kernel and etc... As you have said, as I test my HP Touchpad... the I/O performance between HP Touchpad & Prime is night and day.....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mekrel:
I seriously doubt the I/O will ever be fixed and fully believe Asus are purposely keeping quiet about the root cause as admitting to it will incur massive costs to fix.

From my reading, Asus are changing some thread priorities but I can't see this actually fixing the issue. On a cleanly booted Prime with no user applications installed, read/write/SQlite benchmarks are still producing poor results.

If the thread priority gets changed and benchmarks still show poor I/O performance, then the thread priority changes are nothing but an attempt to paper over cracks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
i think you are right... but lets wait for next patch and the xda development....

:(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LouiseA:
Asus TP201

I have the Asus TP201 and I am a new user of Android, so I am having problem understand the system. I wonder if you could help.

(1) I cannot open my picture attachment on hotmail, even when it is only one picture.

Do you have any ideas as to what I can do. I have contacted Asus techs but not much help. They tell me to set it back to factory setting but I do not want to lose what I do have on my tablet. I have tried to do a backup with little success.

(2) I have tried to find on line a FREE tutorial on learning Android system.

I cannot find the control panel, what files I do have, how to back-up, if I have a virus program, (I did not put one on) and if I do need one which one is best for tablets.

Any help would be most appreciated,

Louise
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
The most frustrating thing in all of this is that I think most of us felt confident when we bought our Primes as Asus seemed to have a reputation of a good company that put out quality products. Unfortunately for us, the Prime seems to be their first product that was designed like absolute dog s**t. Sucks for us, but what can you do (other than never buy Asus again)?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Restorer:
Oh well. It's important to me to be syncing bookmarks with my PC and phone but the huge gain in performance this little app gives means I'll just have to keep rebooting to a minimum:D. Hopefully when 28.5 appears we won't be needing it anymore.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] conquereddroiduser:
Latest Dolphin Browser

Anyone try out the latest beta of of Dolphin Browser HD? It can be downloaded here: http://dolphin-browser.com/2012/06/...e-browser-try-out-our-dolphin-engine-in-beta/

It supposedly has a new webkit, and should be much improved over the previous versions. So far I haven't had any ANR's, and overall the speed has been pretty close to stock browser with Browser2Ram installed. There are a few quirks that will surely get ironed out (images not loading on some sites etc), but it looks like a good alternative to stock until the next firmware release.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] omac_ranger:
Have you tried Boat Browser? Someone recommended it today on an article about Dolphin, and honestly, it's the fastest browser I've used. Speed, loading, and I was able to open multiple pages at once (Youtube, Facebook, The Verge) all under heavy load and not once did it not respond or crash. All lag on any page is relieved as soon as it is finished loading. Scrolling is magnificent.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mekrel:
1) How are you accessing Hotmail? Through the web interface via the browser or have you setup the email application to access Hotmail?

2) There isn't a control panel, you have a settings application where all system wide settings are stored and can be changed. There's a file manager application built in to see the files on the internal storage and your removable memory cards.

3) You shouldn't really need a anti virus program as Android runs all applications in a sandbox, so an application can only access its own data. However if you would feel more comfortable with one installed there's plenty of options I have the form of Lookout, AVG and others on the Google Play store.

4) There's a My App Backup application that comes pre installed on the Prime. I'm not on my Prime right now but you basically get given a list of applications you can select to be backed up and then click okay.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
Using both Boat and Chrome without any issues. Right now I have 6 tabs open in chrome and am able to go back and forth between all without any issues. Still boggles my mind how much these systems vary from one to the other.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] john291:
Did i read this right on the forum.

Does the asus infinity have the same problems in the browser?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bballer71418:
I might actually consider another Asus tablet especially a tegra 3 tablet because their $500 test production stage is almost over. They should have everything figured out from hear on out. I'm looking forward to a finished Asus transformer prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Restorer:
haha. Yes, good point. But when it comes to the browser's performance they really need to look no further than what Browser2Ram is doing. OK, so people say it bottlenecks the RAM but I have had no ill effects at all after several days and the stock browser now performs every bit as good as it should and is a pleasure to use.

Here's hoping 28.5 includes something along the lines of TheOnionKnight's script and that he gets some kind of acknowledgement for getting to grips with the problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RubenRybnik:
Been using Boat Browser for awhile now, its far and away the fastest browser I've used on the Prime. And has a ton of features, and also is totally customzieable. It doesn't get nearly enough press as it should.

LMAO... Sad, but true. Although, if I ever buy another Asus product I'll be damn sure to wait awhile after it comes out before I run to my wallet.

Browser2Ram is a nice bandaid, and you can easily modify it to work for other apps if you want, however it's just that, a Bandaid. Using a Ramdisk isn't something that should be needed, and shouldn't be a fix in the Asus release. Lets hope they cure the disease and not just treat the symptom.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Restorer:
Ah, I see. Didn't quite realize this is how it is being done, duh - should have seen it from the name :rolleyes:. Now I see why the data gets wiped on boot :). In any case, it's a good enough bandaid for now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
And for the record, they're not even the ones that treated the symptom. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TransformerPrime:
My dolphin browser (re-tried it days again after .28 update) gets ANR again unless turning off the Java script then it's really fast and smooth, but the option needs to be on for some sites. I am back to Opera Mobile which loads ok but scroll is smooth. Hmmm may take a look at the Boat Browser others have mentioned.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xTRICKYxx:
I don't understand why people rave for Boat Browser. It seems to perform so average/on par with Dolphin and Stock.

Opera Mobile is the most stable I've used but is pretty buggy since they optimized it for low-end devices (Search is mobile google only argh).

I would LOVE for Mozilla to stop changing their minds on how Firefox should be and look and behave for Android and MAKE A GOOD BROWSER. Aurora sucks, Firefox and Firefox beta suck, and it doesn't even look like Desktop Firefox.

The fastest I've seen are stock Browser and Opera.

For example, doing a Sunspider test, Opera gets around 1500ms and Chrome gets around 1400ms on my prime. That is really low! Dolphin, Boat, and Stock get around 1600-1800ms. If I do a Peacekeeper benchmark, the only outstanding scores I see are Chrome at a really high score, and Opera at a verrrrrry low score since they support very few desktop rendering abilities.

My point being, Stock, Dolphin, and Boat score so similar it becomes a little suspicious. They all must share similar code.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
its not suspicious, they use the same rendering engine like 75% of the browsers do.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] foxtrot16m:
This bug is Far worse in asop r2 it wasent half as bad on eos hopefully this info helps someone find it
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I really can't wait for the release of Transformer Pad Infinity... the S4 version. Can't wait for the benchmark & real life performance comparison.

I really do think a single I/O controller inside Tegra 3 is causing a lot of the issues... or is one of the main culprit for a device with 4+1 core.

In smartphone sector, HTC One X (S4 version) vs HTC One X (Tegra 3) version... it is the Tegra 3 version that is just simply riddles with issues.

If we see a clear difference in performance between S4 Infinity version & Tegra 3 Infinity version as they share the same hardware component (excluding the SoC) & s/w..... it's going to be an uphill battle.

Btw, I still don't understand how Acer was able to release NvFlash at launch with their tablets (and covered by warranty) but with Asus... they are waiting on Nvidia....

What's the difference between the two??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
why does this tegra 3 have problems and the tegra 3 inside the oneX does not?

because its not the tegra3 thats causing issues.

if asus does the same with the infinity ( whatever they did with the internal memory ) , the infinity will be unstable and slow too.

just like the tf300
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Actually, Tegra 3 inside HTC One X has different Tegra 3 compared to Prime. Prime uses T version ... while HTC One X uses AP version.

HTC One X Tegra 3 version has just as many issues (although, don't think I/O performance is one of them)......

As for Tegra 3 tablets in general, those that use T version... they all seem to perform poorly on I/O & SQLite benchmark performance. Based on benchmarks on Acer, Asus, & Toshiba tablets shown by few users in this forum.... majority of them were rather poor (Prime being the worst).

I don't know the difference between AP (smartphone SoC) & T (tablet SoC) version.... but I'm sure there are some differences that we simply do not know, or Nvidia have disclosed to the public.... even if they share the same architecture.

So yea.. I really want to see Infinity Pad 700 (S4 version) vs. Infinity Pad 700 (Tegra 3 version)..... If the results are similar to HTC One X in discrepancy between both version who share same h/w component & s/w...

I think we can safely assume that the main culprit is behind Tegra 3, poor kernel, poor driver from Nvidia for multitude of issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Can you post where you got the info from with the different Tegra versions between the Prime an the HTC X? I couldnt find any info confirming what you posted...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Just Google.. or... just read all of Demandarin's vast/multiple thread on Tegra 3.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22710534&postcount=264

"Tegra3 processor is now confirmed as a nVidia AP33 1.5GHz / XMM6260 (modem)"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i first brought the differences to light months ago. here is a perfect place to see what is running tegra3 and all its different versions. There are alot actually(7 of them)

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1 just type tegra3 in its search box. then look at microprocessor results
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Good info to know, thanks Demandarin

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I tried using google, couldnt find it. Thanks for the info
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TransformerPrime:
Boat Browser is actually notably faster than OM, the fastest among all what i have tried. Scroll smooth wise it's acceptable, next to OM. So it's my new default browser now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] omac_ranger:
Ditto. Boat rocks. Have it on both my phone and tablet now