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[Eee Pad Transformer General] Alakhai:
So far my major thing is being able to be open and use my system as i wish rather than be told what . can or cannot do. My favorite thing to do when someone asks why i like my tablet VS an apple one i download something.

If i am working on fixing a computer somewhere i can with my tablet download, transfer to usb and connect it to a system

The next reason is evolution:

I have had an iphone since first 3g model and currently using iphone 4, besides for little things like siri the OS seems to stay the same most times no new customizations really no new features that makes you go wow! Often feel like I am just renting the device rather than owning it, just like renting a place sure you can maybe put some new paint on a wall or hang a picture ... but you cannot go and knock out a wall to make it feel more home!

Android has been the opposite yes there is unstable period but it is pushing forward, Ui changes new features, customizations. I haven't even been using Android long tf101 with hc was my first one, so i probably don't even have the whole evolution picture.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miketoasty:
Maybe it's more of a developmental thing for me, but owning a device one or two generations old doesn't mean anything when you have dev's that will support devices that are older. While on Apple there is more of a mentality that if you don't own the newest device you are being left behind.

It's kind of weird/stupid I know but that is just how I feel.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
Not sure what you mean by this. Apple devices intentionally leave out functional parts, like cameras, then good cameras, and high res displays. Obviously we here are not feeling any upgrade paranoia. I wondered about why that is the case. The Tegra2 foundation is still more than sufficient as a hardware base for any app today. Every Tegra2-based device has announced plans for ICS, so it's not like the upgrade path for the operating system has been restricted. No hardware functionality was excluded from our model versus the new model. And, maybe the biggest reason of all, there aren't commercials and marketing 24/7 overemphasizing the small changes, prodding one to upgrade.

Consider the amount of money Apple takes in with every model revision: obviously, there have to be a lot of people turning over their old Apple devices for the latest and greatest.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
iOS is FAR to limited for what I want to do on my tablet. If all you want to do is browse the web, send email, iOS is fine, but beyond that, it's WAY too limiting (this is apparently it's best feature, so I am told, the beautiful iOS UI of endless list of icons).

These 3 Youtube videos explain WHY Android is better is pretty much every way to iOS. I didn't write them, but it's sums things up nicely. If you agree, I encourage you to link them on other sites that also need "educating" that simple to use also has a nasty downside in that it quickly runs out of steam. Android CAN be just as simple as iOS, but it also grows with you and has plenty of hidden talent.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayx4XsBaJBI

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsGQ_xts_Gw

It's only a shame he hasn't compared a decent Android tablet to a iPad3,
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
I have owned an iPad; Gingerbread, Honeycomb and now ICS devices; HP TouchPad and I have dabbled with the Playbook.

In terms of strictly the operating system, iOS is the "worst" of the lot. "Worst" as in the most basic, no-frills, vanilla, plain jane. It reminds me quite a bit of a basic Palm Pilot.

The benefit of that is that anyone can pick it up and start using it immediately, while the other operating systems take a minute or two (five, max) to figure out.

What saves iOS from being recognized as the pathetic operating system that it really is are the apps: that is a credit to the app development community and not to the operating system. Any of the apps running on iOS can be made for any of the other operating systems just the same. Why developers don't do that is most often about money. Apple's marketing is exceptional in snaring customers who spend money, and that benefits the developers. And while all of the operating systems can be made to install pirated software, making Apple's devices do it is still harder to do than on the others. On Android, for example, installing pirated software consists of downloading a pirated APK and turning on the setting to allow installation of apps from "unknown sources." On WebOS, it's downloading a pirated app and turning on "developers' mode." On Apple, obviously it's the "jailbreak" and installing Cydia, but then you are locked in a neverending battle with Apple and iTunes to keep the device jailbroken and running. I don't know how piracy works on the Playbook. Supporting an app on Android can also be difficult, because there are so many different hardware configurations running Android.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] apollooff320:
If u watch the videos he already says the iPad is the best tablet and plans to make a video. It makes no sense since because comparing the phones should be like comparing the tablets. So if he thinks the iPad is the best tablet why is he saying android phones are better then iPhones? I do agree my iPad is better then my Transformer...I'm having trouble using it since I got it back from repair. The lag is killing me and battery life sucks. It still pisses me off that the devs put so much more time in making iOS apps look so much better.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
examples of apple uppgrades: only the casual user would even use these changes, and they could have been implemented on the first ipad

ipad 1: no camera, no voice built in voice dictation

ipad 2: camera, but no built in voice dictation

ipad 3: camera and voice dictation

iphone 2g: no wallpaper change, no multitask

iphone 3g: wallpaper changes, multitask

iphone 3gs: wall paper changes, no built in location reminders,

iphone 4: location reminders

iphone 4s: siri + location reminders

.....

Siri works on 3gs and iphone 4, it has even been ported to ipad but it requires the use of proxy servers and some other stuff (dont really know but it requires jailbreaking). Location reminders?, really apple??

This is as you can see ridiclous, why some people would stand for this I don't know. Give me android anyday of the week. For some price is not the issue. That is something apple fanboys dream about at night so they can feel like they are part of some elite group of people.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
I point these things out to my girlfriend, and she still likes Apple more.. Their marketing really is something. I wonder how well Apple would sell if their marketing is crappier like Android marketing.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PatrikSelin:
I would like to bring a few things up:

in iOS world

Gallery app:

- Do you want to select all images at once? It is not possible, you have to choose one at a time.

- Do you want to upload a the picture to cloud service (drobox, box etc.) or social media (Google+, Facebook etc.) It is not possible. You must first open the Dropbox (or other similar apps), and then you can upload.

Browser:

- Why can't I hide the address bar?

Other things:

- If you have a 3G model, so you can not use Facetime via 3G connection. Why?

- Why can't I use a wireless game controller? I can connect guitar to Garageband. It's really great that it is possible, but the game controller support should be the default.

- Why can not I delete the default applications, for example, if I can find a better gallery app?

- Contacts app looks like book and few other applications seem to be from the 80's. For example, iPhoto looks modern, but it will cost :D.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miketoasty:
Some really good points here.

I also just want to throw out that without Android I don't think I would mind an Apple way of life, only because I didn't know of the possibility's but after using Android I can't believe there are still people that buy into what Apple sells.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
While I can't argue Apple's hardware choices, it's a different story when you talk about software updates, which some would argue is more important. Again, the average user isn't walking around with their tablet to get navigation directions, and they aren't out in public taking pictures with their tablet either. Android hardware fragmentation has been a nightmare for developers and users alike.

Until Android can support older hardware with newer software, Apple's hardware update schedule will work for most people.

If you want to argue warranty support, which is something else which most people are concerned with,then I'll give you many examples where Apple just trumps Android tablet makers.

I'm not trying to be a fanboy, but I do have a lot of experience with Android and iOS devices, and I have a brother who is a developer and can offer insight into the "dirty parts" of Android, which ended users don't get to see.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
It's mostly ignorance. They actually believe Apple when they say the iOS experience is unparalleled.

Anyone that's used Android on a high-end device and has wiped away the Apple FUD, will know that Android is so much better designed from the outset for mobile computing. It CAN be as simple as iOS, but it CAN be alot more powerful too.

Of course you speak to the brainwashed Apple idiots, and it's "Android is for nerds, it's complicated etc etc", which is partly true, but it's only as complicated as the user wants it to be.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uiterlix:
My observations owning both the new iPad and the TF101

- compared to the ios tablet apps the android equivalents just suck. Most are just not optimized for the tablet display size. And due to the device and os fragmentation you'd have to be lucky to be allowed to installed certain games on your device at all.

- i do like the fact that android is open source, but did we all forget it took ages until the B70+ models got rooted? For me that's about the same as jailbreaking. So yes, the operating system is open source, but a lot of devices are just as locked as the apple devices are.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
Like I said, apps and operating system are different things. Apps are a credit to (or can be blamed on) the developers (in other words, apps are mostly not made by Apple; and, if an app is not tablet-optimized, it's because of the developer and not because of the operating system). The operating system is what can be credited to Apple. This thread says it is about the operating systems, not about apps. The operating system is also not hardware, so for example, if one tablet has a larger battery than another tablet, that's not an argument about the operating systems.

Unrooted Android is certainly not equivalent to non-jailbroken iOS. Where should I start to argue that?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] secret_3108:
money - iphone , high tech - android
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
There are ALOT of Android optimized tablet apps, there are, alot that aren't. Part of the problem is that Android is. Ery good, at resealing phone apps for tablet displays, this gives Devs an excuse not to try.

It doesn't help when you have cretins in the tech media cherrypicking what apps to compare to engineer a predetermined products Apple outcome.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uiterlix:
Not considering the apps and just comparing the technical quality of the operating system doesn't make any sense. The vhs standard was technically inferior to the 2000 and betamax ones and yet it became the most popular one due to the content available.

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[Eee Pad Transformer General] ssl123:
Are you saying you want to argue which is more popular rather than which is better technically?

I look at Android versus WebOS. WebOS is certainly not comparable to Android in terms of apps, but it is still not that difficult to say that WebOS seems to have more powerful multitasking capability than Android. What's so hard to say about that? What if you humor the discussion and try to consider these various operating systems in their pure aspects? What would you say about them?

Maybe what you are essentially trying to say with the videotape comparison is that better doesn't always win?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
I wont argue warrenty support, I have no experience with thbut my gut tells that apple has better service. Apple supports their devices, and they stand by them 100%. Apple`s build quality has to be one of the best in the industry, they test, retest and then test their software/hardware some more.

They just need to drop the attitude they have with these kinds of things, no siri on iphone 4? , they bought siri, and PULLED it from the market and shut down all servers to 3gs, 4 , access. What kind of company does that? Then they release it as a beta version for 4s. Thats low...

No location reminders on 3gs?, why? 3gs has a gps (Agps) then why not include it in the 5.1 uppgrade?

They pulled VLC from market? lol VLC! they pulled some siri alike apps from the market, so no 3gs or ip4 could get an siri experience

Explain how these things are justifible? I wont argue that Apple is an excellent company, ive been an apple user since macintosh II when it wasen't a company that made 14 year olds think they are upperclass by buying their products.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Because the iPad3 doesn't have overheating problems, wifi problems and 4G problems?????

Really, you need to stop believing Apple spin...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
All devices that have been reported with this problem can be exchanged for free in your local apple store. Dont assume anything about me. Apple have better build quality and you can not find a reasonible android/pc users who disagree with me. One of my old iphones (2g) is still functional. A macbook pros lifespan is about 6 years longer than ANY pc equivilant. I have a graveyard of pc machines from almost all pc producers and they are all broken. My asus laptop adapter broke after 2 months of use. My laptop from samsung have had numerous hardware problems including keyboard malfunction. Dont get me started on HP machines...

You can't go into this debate thinking everthying is black and white. There are cons and pros to apple vs whatever, and two of the pros of apple is build quality and stability!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
The overheating thing was a myth. In fact, it tested cooler than most popular android tablets...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] letsgophillyingeneral:
Namely porn.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
Edit removed.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uiterlix:
I agree ios devices have better build quality. My transformer has about 6 dead pixels, a white spot and the buttons feel like a cheap kids toy. The screen is also not aligned nicely with the housing. But I'm extremely hesitant for sending it out for repair since I'm really unsure about the result.

Regarding production issues.. Asus didn't have their finest hour with the prime gps. Dunno if any of you have seen the workaround dongle. That thing has the size of a freakin' frisbee...

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[Eee Pad Transformer General] Contra1971:
I have had both

this is why I returned the iPad2

even though I like the O/S

http://thecomputerbard.com/ricksgadgets/?p=24

it wasn't the O/S that seamed to be a problem, it was the Customer service, but the iOS is less customizable (compaired to Android, both un-rooted)

I know everyone says Apple have the best customer service and support....just read my article (link)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
It's called the law, and all vendors have to do the same.

And it;s not just some iPad3's, all seem to overheat, all seem to have wifi problems, and the 4G doesn't work and never will in 99% of the world because it uses US baseband frequencies.

The London Apple store is now getting more back than it's selling.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
yeah, thats why asus keeps sending back the same tablets with the same problems to some of our forum users.

Dude I dont even own an ipad, I live in Sweden , the ipads 4g dont work there as you said

Im no fan of ipads, if i was I would have bought one. I like freedom, but the android device developers really need to improve their devices. Not everyone has the patience you and I might have with some of the bugs we got with the ICS uppgrade.

Imo the only thing the ipad has that could draw me to it is the apps, but im following new app releases and uppgrades on google play, and It is improving since ICS. Number of apps say nothing, the quality of apps is everything! Perticulary the pdf apps are important for all students

iannotate lite is already out on samsung market, soon to be released to more android devices, Ezpdf is already in the lead (imo) as the best pdf reader on android, most stable and fastest with best annotations!

yeah I went completly offtopic in response hahaha

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[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
I now read this post once a day have to say if it stays this good we should spread the word and have this on all the xda forums and create a book

Rotten Apple's and Cheap goo the forever debate

Anyway my quick two cents ive fixed 5 friends apple products this year and put custom roms on 2-3 mates androids and fixed 5-6 androids

At the end of the day which side ran better ..................................Android hands down
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
VHS won in the end because it had a longer length, which was all people really needed I think (since the t.v.'s couldn't show off the better quality videos anyway). Betamax was limited to 1 hr only (or 100 min, I can't remember) and that was the real downside.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] aoe2exp:
I have the same situations. However, my fiance sports an Android and she gets everything she needs and is very pleased.

I don't think it is the fact that your wife has a iOS device, but that you and I are a bunch of geeks that want their devices to be running perfectly, LOL.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] letsgophillyingeneral:
VHS won because the porn industry chose it. Same with the Bluray vs. HD DVD war.

The format the porn industry chooses wins.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ferparedes:
I use my tablet for work. In that sense, productivity and being able to do things quickly is key.

With Android, i get a lot more productivity. Two key and important points are widgets and application interaction.

I can view important information faster. I can move information from app to app easier, and the fact that it's an open platform vs. the closed garden that iOS is, there is more versatility in the apps I can get so I can do my work easier.

It may sound stupid but when I show the iPad fans how, after taking a note or whatever, I can send it off to *any* app I want or need, and then ask them "now what can YOU do with a note?" - just email....

Being able to quickly turn wifi (or other stuff) on or off, having the homescreen as a "work space" instead of a dead grid of icons that don't do anything.

It's a lot of little details that in the whole make my android tablet way more productive than the iOS one.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Hearmeman:
Well

in my opinion there is a range of age for tablet users well i mean im 16 and looking for browsing chatting and some games but on the other hand my mom likes some puzzle games more and board games which the ipad can be better at because it has more games

if you will ask me what will i take the ipad 2 or the tf101 without the dock i would go for the ipad

but with the dock its just an awesome experience that the ipad 2 just cant beat
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Yay for internet myths..... You do know the vast majority of information on the internet is made up, or created by spin doctors just to fool idiots.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ferparedes:
This. I think the iPad is ideal for games, because of a greater selection of games mostly. I don't play games either on my phone or my tablet, so I don't really care. But this is what CHOICE is all about: In my case, games are way down in my priority list, while getting work done is way more important. Having iOS on one hand and all the android stuff on the other (in my case, the Asus tablet with it's dock, USB ports, etc) helps people get exactly what they need and want.

and this is why I'll say "Apple sucks" because they're trying to artificially kill the competition that is Android through litigation, so they can dominate with their platform and they way THEY think YOU need to work. Stiffle innovation, new ideas and new ways to do things. They're scared ****less that any other platform can be able to do things better than them and eat their lunch.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bArDBQ:
I own an jailbroken iPad 2 and a rooted TF 101. I can't say which one I preffer...

Interface: I prefer ICS over iOS5 because of the widgets but on the other hand there's nothing as fluid as an iOS device

iOS is boring when not jailbroken.

So far... my opinion is that most of the Applestore apps are way better than their Android counter parts.

Most Android apps lacks finition.

I like the fact I own a jailbroken iPhone and an Android tablet... This way I can get best of both worlds.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nebucatnetzer:
I had the chance to use an iPad 2 this week I got it as a GPS for my rent car.

And I have to say it's quite nice.

It just feels like it was developed for older people or people without the understanding of technical devices.

And I was quite surprised that the two navigation softwares where lagging like hell.

And one of them wasn't fullscreen.

I often missed the back button or the recent used apps button so that it wasn't possible to easily switch between two apps.

In general it felt very strange but I reckon that's because I'm so used to Android.

The main reason though why I use Android over iOS is because I hate when a device (or it's company) tells me how to use it.

I bought it, it's my device and I do with it what I want.

Another reason is that I use nearly all of Google's services and from what I've seen so far they are better integrated in Android then in iOS (which is kind of obvious).

Hope this helps and I hope you'll post the link to the article.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] letsgophillyingeneral:
Yes, but how am I supposed to know that it was a myth conjured up on the internet if my source of information was not the internet, regardless if the indirect source was in fact the internet.

F this going back to watch betaporn.

Can you give me money, please?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goosegrease:
I got an android tablet mostly to be contrarian. I think iOS devices are less hassle for end users in general, but it's just depressing to see every one of my relatives, friends and coworkers plastering their living room with apple logo. Where's the diversity in the marketplace?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
The problem of course, is that the myth is being spread by people like yourself, that iOS devices are "less hassle" (and by that i'm guessing you mean easier to use).

Sorry, but that's a myth, if you really want to, you can use Android in the same EXACT way as iOS. You want a screen full endless scrolling icons, that's fine, Android can do that. You want a notification bar when something happens, sure Android does that. You want to browse the internet, yup, it's got a browser icon.

Android can however IF YOU WISH be some much more aswell. However it's purely optional. it can be just as easy to use as iOS, or it can be as advanced as you want it to be. it's your choice. You want desktop widgets, that's fine, use them, but nobody is forcing you. You want to install non marketplace apps, tick the option, read the warning, Android does that too, you want to use HostUSB or Wifi hotspot mode, yup, it's there if you want it...