yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows 8 General] Paglioni:
I think most of those stating that, are comparing their 2-3 year old installation of windows with this clear-noncomplete installation of win 8...

ever tried reinstalling windows 7 on a machine that already had it for years? it's like a new computer...

---------- Post added at 02:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 PM ----------

yeah, try running games and 3-screen-wide system like mine, with only metro and no desktop....

---------- Post added at 02:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:14 PM ----------

I really, really, really, don't understand those short-vision people..

look around you..

there are millions of office computers that CANT be replaced with tablets.. there are people with 2-3 22'' monitors used for work with multiple programs at the same time, there are workstations that needs cpu-gpu power.

The World is not going to be TABLET only.

and anyway, desktop users will NOT use touch screens. Point. Using a touch for work 8 hours a day will cause serious injury toyour neck if using a tablet, or your shouder-arms if using a monitor...
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
I remember the difference a fresh image (I'm not wasting hours with installations again) was like with xp....yessssss

currently we use Macs for everything. I image those too, just in case. the "fresh install speed bump" isn't noticed on Macs, so its kind of a let down.

I'm not sure if you are for or against metro on your ending comment about gaming and three screens?
[Windows 8 General] nbates66:
i'm not sure how he could be against it, Windows 8 runs multi-displays fine, has a few multi-display improvements desktop side as well, and if necessary a metro app can be moved to whichever monitor, ONE thing however that I've noticed is you cannot have metro apps spread on different displays (only one or one split metro and one full metro app can display on a single display of choice).

EDIT: nevermind he was referring to the suggestion someone made that Windows 8 should be metro only and I agree, no... just no.

even Microsoft believe the metro interface isn't for productivity use on desktops, thus office 2013 applications are DESKTOP applications.
[Windows 8 General] eternalseal12:
Applause sir!
[Windows 8 General] benjamingwynn:
The CEO of Valve said it would fail. And he's a genius in every sense of the word.

I wrote this at 3 in the morning and unsubscribed to it the next day. I didn't actually know this thread was alive.

Oh well. Let the conversation continue.
[Windows 8 General] go0gle:
I don't think MS wants to be caught off guard during the transition to touch screens in the PC market.. that is what happened to Nokia in the mobile space, and we all know what happened there. So I see metro as their preemptive strategy.. and I happened to like it a lot.
[Windows 8 General] nbates66:
tbh i'm wouldn't care much of what a valve CEO said on any matter except the matter of a half life 2 episode 3 release! :silly:

been using Windows 8 for the last 2 months on my only desktop with dual monitors and has worked a charm, though still a few spots that need patching up, i'll definitely be getting my PC and my families 3 PC's updated to it soon after release, also grabbing a Surface Pro *OR* one of the OEM's offerings if the other companies do a good job.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Correction, the people behind valve are geniuses, the person you are speaking about though is arrogant and hasn't been right about much and has changed his mind as an when the wind changes direction.

He also seems to be in some strange alternate universe where Linux is going to take over the world. News flash peeps, Linux has its place and is very good at what it does, but it hasn't made any inroad in to mainstream desktop and more than likely never will, for him to suggest that nailing Linux will be some master stroke even in the near 10 year future is just plain idiocy.

Sorry but you cant use him as an example of someone that knows what they are talking about, ill put more weight behind the dozen or so System engineers and Admins I know that are already looking at deployment within the next 5 or so years and my mum who despite being technologically challenged has come to appreciate what Win 8 brings to the table and how easy it is to use.
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
there will be no transition to PC's with touch screens.... not until someone figures out how to make it faster, easier, and better than a mouse. tablets and phones work great as a touch interface because of how they are used. PC's , not even the same ballpark.

ms got left behind in touch because they didn't believe they could fail at the phone segment.

metro is only a UI layer...its not revolutionary, and frankly I wonder why its being attempted. there is no touch screen market to be had between apple and android, they would serve themselves better to focus on the os and cleaning up the UI to a Mac like level.

notice, no mention of Linux at all.
[Windows 8 General] gamo84:
As dazza9075 sad: "the people behind valve are geniuses".

I think he sad that because he see the potential in the Windows Store.

I think escape to linux don't solve this situation.
[Windows 8 General] The Janitor Mop:
Let's be clear what he actually said: he didn't say Windows 8 would fail.

He said Windows 8 will be bad for video game makers. He based that on the assumption that Windows 8 will be a closed system. That Microsoft wants to better monitor the quality of applications for its platform. And therefore that developers will be pushed away.

Maybe Microsoft does want to do that. But his comments that they will bring their games to Linux makes me not care about what he has to say at all. 90% of the general public still doesn't know what Linux is. If he wants to sell games to such a niche population, he can feel free to see his company go down the tubes.

In fact, maybe Microsoft doesn't care if developers don't want to make games for Windows 8. Personally, I wouldn't care, since I don't game on my PC. Heck, if anything, that would just push the general public to buy consoles even more and more, which Microsoft wouldn't mind considering the Xbox 720 is soon around the corner.
[Windows 8 General] Droff:
+1

People need to read, before spreading the word

Developers don't like the idea of sharing profits with Microsoft. There is nothing new here.

Second, if I understand it correctly, what some developers are saying applies to Metro side of windows 8. The usual desktop part is backward compatible, and programs don't necessarily need to come from Microsoft store. No need for approval or sharing. No additional advertising either.

I'm also sure that there will be some alternative markets (there are quite a few available for Android for example). One way or another, what those developers are complaining about doesn't really apply to the Windows 8, they more afraid of the general move and what microsoft will do in next several years.
[Windows 8 General] Paglioni:
+1

so many ppl here thinks that we are going to a touch screen world for PC. NO sane person would work 8 hours on a touch screen, when he has a keyboard and a mouse, metro or non metro. nor i would use a touch screen on my gaming rig. Don't think i'm against touch screens.. i have 3 ipad , 1 iphone, and 1 galaxy note, in my family...I tend to think that most people have enough brain to understand that you cant consume your finger on your screen trying to select your B-15 cell in a spreadsheet, for example...
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
good, I was hoping it would be taken as constructive criticism and not a flame.

I have never seen anyone use a touch screen PC while sitting at a desk, with keyboard. they've been around a minute too.
[Windows 8 General] Droff:
That really depends on how you imagine that world. Some people have very limited imagination and focus on how uncomfortable it will be to constantly use touch on their 27" or three 22" monitors connected to a desktop rig.

Try imagining this: You have a tablet that you use to read books, magazines, browse web, listen to music etc, doing all this comfortably on a couch. Then you take it to your workstation. With NFC, BT, WI-Di etc you have instant access to your big screen monitor(s), keyboard, mouse. Move your work to most comfortable display and start clacking away. You still can see live tile updates, check weather, sport scores, email etc, on your touchscreen without interrupting your process on big screen. When you done, you take tablet with you to bed to finish reading, or connect it through wireless WiDi to you TV and watch/play on big screen. Touchscreen is very important to mobile devices and the latest trend is to take all what your computer got to offer with you.

Need a sophisticated gaming rig? Well, how about a small touchscreen next (or even connected to your keyboard). You play games on your big screen using mouse and keyboard, and at the same time you can chat with you friends or browse a guide for that game that you're playing. You can also have a special built game UI on that touchscreen that lets you browse inventory of your character, interact with map, quests, choose weapons etc. When not playing, your small touchscreen has metro running and you have your usual desktop on your 27" monitor. What is so bad about it? Sure you can run a tablet (IOS or Android) beside your desktop and get some of the same functionality, but there is no integration and use is quite limited.

If you only think about people working in cubicles entering info into spreadsheet for 8 hours a day, then you also should realize that these people don't really need much at all. I actually have seen some people still working on DOS programs (yes, that 30 year old DOS), because at one point they have purchased software custom build for their needs. Their needs didn't change and so they still use that old software. Does that mean that there is no need for any progress?
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
when the tablet/PC/whatever is connected to a large TV , its easier with a keyboard and mouse. its going to need ac power anyway, so why not plug it in, over THERE and use a keyboard/mouse over BT, here.

this isn't a negative for surface, but more of a real life usability perspective of any mobile device. they eat batteries when connected to TVs or playing back movies in HD.....so a power cord is a must..... so that when you are ready to be mobile /moving again they are too (charged)

connecting my phone to the big TV is great for movie playback, but when I do, I plug it in.... and grab the Bluetooth keyboard for input.

i guess what I'm saying is the surface keyboard needs to be Bluetooth, self powered, and self charging when connected to the tablet (what are we calling the surface by itself now, Microsoft?)
[Windows 8 General] go0gle:
My bad, by PC-s I meant most notebook/laptop computers. I feel like a lot of them will go with some clever hinge design (up to 15 inches) and will have touch panels. That is what Metro is prepared for. The more efficient the platforms become (CPUs, battery life, etc) they will get thinner and lighter, which will make them perfect as a "transformer"..

I know a lot of people who use their notebooks as a primary PC, yes, desktops are amazing for a desk, but a lot of people use laptops on a desk as well. We will see, better have something ready, than being caught off guard. This is Metro 1.0 .. good foundation to built on.

I bet a lot of people thought the same thing about touch screens in the phone industry, I mean, keyboards were essential.. not anymore.. so anything is possible.
[Windows 8 General] Paglioni:
Some others try to find an use for what they like, even if clearly there is no reason to do that...

Still, you are trying to find a place for a touch, not explaining why ppl thinks PC will be touch...

It seems a lot like "hey, i have a tablet... how i can use it, so i can think i didn't wast money buing it, while i'm using my pc for something bigger?"

Same as above... I like the "extra ui for games" (it's an "old" idea) but hey, games arent even using a second monitor right now i don't think programmers will invest much time in building something for metro tablet (worst now that MS has announced will sell THEIR tabled, and many OEM are upset and are stating that will NOT build tablets with Win 8). Look.. now there are a HUGE user base of iPad-iPhone-Android, an user base that Windows 8 tablets will NEVER reach, and still no software-game producer is even thinking about use them as an extension to PC products.

No, i'm 39, i use computers since i was 9, and i worked in firms with over 200 employers, everyone with a pc, and besides 1 o 2 that liked the tablet idea, no one would switch to a Tablet for his work. I also exrperienced all you said up here, but Windows 8 is not a "cure" for that.

IT's not PROGRESS... it's trying to FORCE someone to do something differently when he did it for 30 years and is happy and confortable with that. If isn't broken, you don't need to fix it. You can give them the OPTION to switch.. not FORCE them to switch.

And guy, really, don't try to sell me the idea that a tablet with a 22'', a keyboard, a mouse, a DVD reader, a charger, all connected with cables (or everythink connected to his own charger and BT to the tablet), is a amazing thing to work with. It's plain stupid. Why would i switch a faster and cheaper PC to a Tablet, to use it as a PC? Is the same thing as using MiniMac's installing only WINDOWS in them.. it's stupid, it's a waste of money, it's slow, but hey... it's good looking...
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
its not forcing anyone to do anything differently.

What it is doing is aiding those with imagination to improve their computer experiences by giving them another alternative to desktop, laptop and mobiles.

You also seem to think that everything needs cables to connect to different devices, in a world where HDMI is also wireless its a very real possibility to have nothing connected to a tablet in any physical sense.

I recently ditched my desktop computer, years ago people complained that laptops were not practical for long term business use, but that opinion has changed in recent years as im sure you well know, why did it change? the desktop did everything you need and why would you want to lug a solid heavy lump of metal and plastic around? it changed because technology changed, the way in which people work adapted and it became normal.

Tablets have a very similar future, its just a matter of how you can feature in that future.

Personally the mere idea that I could be sitting at home watching TV, pick up my tablet and have instant TOUCH control over what is on my TV display (cloned to the tablet display) would be amazing, a mouse and keyboard are not the most effective input method in such a case.

In fact expanding on that example, you say workstations are completely touch useless and would be bad for the user anyway, but lets also take in to account that display are getting larger and cheaper, you can not sit too close to these displays so is it not within the realm of possibility that workstation users with large screens could sit further away from the screen, and interact with tablets or a combo of input devices, a tablet that could easily be picked up, walked to the other side of the room to confer with a colleague?

uses for touch devices are only limited by the limitations of our own minds, im not saying its perfect for everything and will replace laptops etc im saying it complements them.

Win 8 is just the UI, desktop or metro, it just enables you to use a device, and with x86 Win 8 that is no way shape or form limited from what you have on a desktop

RT is a different kettle of fish but is also aimed at a different set of end users.
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
I was hoping you would address the point I made about having to plug in a tablet while watching a HD movie. yes, it may play one movie , over dlna, but the battery will expire shortly after, if not during and be non mobile after words.

keyboards are still more efficient. stop, pause, play, minimize, refresh, change apications, all from a memorized pattern instead of :unlock, swipe, look, swipe, press control, etc swipe

the keyboard is still the most efficient form for input.
[Windows 8 General] Paglioni:
Alternatives does not necessarily means BETTER WAY to do something...

Either you need cables to connect peripheals to a PC/Tablet, that also give them the power, or you need cables to feed peripheals with power.. and no, don't tell me you work with everything under battery power... you always have to charge battery anyway...

Heavy and FASTER lump of metal you meant? A workstation is way cheaper, faster, support many monitor, larger disks, faster video cards and so on. If you are fine with a laptop for work, that not means you may find yourself less fine with a PC... Only a small portion of ppl that works with computer, really needs a notebook (because they move and need to keep working around), most of them buy a laptop, then come to me telling me "if only i had bought a PC..."

If you meant what you can ALREADY do with today tablets, without Win 8, i agree... Apple already does that and has not changed OSX to a tablet OS...

It's a user preference... i'm not going to buy a 55'' monitor and watch/use it from 10 meters away... if i buy a larger monitor is to fit more things in desktop, and moving away from a display defeat that purpose.

I would agree if METRO was an OPTION. i can't agree if it is the only way to launch programs.

Anyway, Metro is good for tablets. I'm speaking that it does not FIT in any way in a business world. Having to instruct hundred of workers to the new UI that does not give a SINGLE thing better to what they are using now, is a waste of time and money. Give us back the START MENU, and make METRO an option, and it will be a lot easier for business to adopt Win 8.

Windows RT is the perfect example of MS trying to conquer all the word again... It will be dropped faster than the time MS took to make it.

---------- Post added at 04:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:55 PM ----------

Not counting that to do press-swipe-pinch you need to LOOK at where you are doing that...

i meant, if you watch a window on a large TV, and have a tablet near you to move a window, you can't move it if you press blindly on some point of the tablet, you need to have the same window painted in the tablet screen, so you would switch your eyes to the tablet instead of the tv, move the window, and watch back to the tv.... do that few times and you will get a nice headhache
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
you alluded to my point without actually agreeing with me, a win 8 tablet may or may not be useful depending on its use and more importantly its user, that is not to say it has no use, or that it will fail, simply that some people will have a use and other will not.

you are not forced in to using metro in anything more than a fancy start menu though, which can be controlled in exactly the same way with or without touch so I fail to see you point on that one.

and actually Using metro apps is completely down to the user, you are not forced in to using them.

Regarding business uses, actually I squarely disagree with you on that one, myself and my colleges are looking in to Work related centralized app stores, this will be well down the road, but the ability to give and control all apps that a site may need (within reason) is very attractive, combined with the amazing levels of AD support its actually pretty impressive. I will agree that it wont be a case of everyone suddenly dropping everything for it, that will not happen in the business world and given that the global economic climate is very dodgy that just compounds the issues around uptake, which actually makes sense from MS point of view

It can deploy a major update in a period where it wont be massively up taken and it can save face by using the economy for a reason when it performs poorly, the data collected from the roll out will then be used and plugged in to its next version or even update, Vista was very much used in this manor. But taking vista as an example, if you compare a fully updated vista to Win 7 there is only a small amount of difference.

Ive been using Win 8 now on both touch and non touch devices and I fail to see any negative effect OTHER than the fact it takes a wee while to get up to speed with it, not massively so, but a degree none the less. So either others with a similar opinion to me and myself are the most adaptable intelligent people on the planet or perhaps, (and more likely) others are simply not giving it a chance.

RT will only fail if the price point in higher than a similar speced Android device, if the price is too high I agree, there will be a limited up take
[Windows 8 General] djpailo:
I don't think Windows 8 will fail because it will do very well on touch screen devices which are becoming ever more popular. As a home PC user, I find myself going into desktop practically straight away. I think Microsoft should give people the option of booting straight into the desktop without going immediately to metro first. There is a utility in beta which does this though, something calling Start8 I think.
[Windows 8 General] androidjel:
Or the giving us a touchscreen monitor xD
[Verizon Droid Incredible 2] Technophilia:
Hey guys my phone is on 2.3.3 and I didn't have any problems for the longest time then all the sudden for the last week every time I try to go into the market or check my e-mail my phone keeps asking me to log in to gmail, I don't know what is causing this but its annoying since I use 2 step verification on my gmail to keep going in and making a new password for my phone every day.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trilback:
I am thinking about buying a ASUS Eee Pad Transformer TF201 32GB. My questions are is it a good one to buy and two I don't see much so far as support for custom roms and such. Currently I have a D2G with MIUI build. I was wondering if there was any good roms for the TF201 if I do decide to get it.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goatshocker:
You shouldve posted this in the Prime forums. This is the TF101 forum :)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrevankyle:
This is the tf101 form

201 is here http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1411

and they have plenty of support and about 10 custom roms as of now
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trilback:
Sorry Noob here

Thanks
[G Tablet Accessories] TToTheB:
Hi All,

A while back my gtab suffered damage at the hands (paws) of my dog. The Power input cannot be used to charge it now. I have looked through the forums and found that the Malata ZPAD Dock for gTablet would solve my problem. Unfortunately it seems that this item is ONLY available from Vendors in China.

I would like to know from those who have this docking station:

Does anyone here have a Malata Docking Station for Sale?

Has anyone found a US or European Vendor?

If not what the best Chinese Vendor?

I would like to know from those who have purchased DC power jack:

I found a replacement DC Power Jack online.

How hard is it to replace the DC Power Jack on the board for someone with no experience with Soldering?

Any Help would be greatly appreciated.
[G Tablet Accessories] apacolypz:
dock

I bought my dock from www.ankaka.com and it was with shipping 46$ bucks... The dock works wonderfully!! Great picture and screen resolution, market, netflix, flash playback on Opera, 1080p videos. Now connect this to a game controller and you're golden..Great investment over the LINK IT cable.

hope this helps
[G Tablet Accessories] 1freedude:
I got mine from Steve at electronic crap .com. Super fast delivery. Pricey, but the customer service is there if you need it.

As far as soldering, it doesn't take much. Mine took a tumble off the table while plugged in, and landed square on the charger. The jack is surface mounted, so the only thing holding it is the solder itself.

Find directions on dismantling the gtab, then put the jack back on the pads and heat until melted. I think there are five pads to solder.

http://electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_10&products_id=6