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[Windows 8 General] Droff:
Oh... that's nice. You might as well ride a horse instead of a car. Guess what, it worked for thousand years. At one point switching from horseback to steam powered carriage was only for the brave, but that was PROGRESS.

And who holds a gun to your head forcing you to use windows 8? Do the things you do the way you do them and leave the rest to people with imagination.

Why 22" tablet? Why not go all the way to 60"? If you could actually read what I was saying, you will see that I never suggested to replace your 22" monitor with a tablet. I personally think that smaller touchscreen (doesn't even need to be a separate tablet) can be a great addition if there is a good integration with desktop OS. Android and IOS can't provide this at the moment. Windows 8 can and hopefully with time there will be more innovative ways of using it.

And guy, I'm not selling you anything! But if you want to know, you won't find much wires at my place.

Keyboard is wireless and gets charged very rarely. Mouse is wireless and battery is replaced once a year or so. Printer is wireless. Sure it is connected to power source, but it is hidden. If I need to print something from my android tablet, I can. I also have bluetooth adapter for audio, so I can use the speakers from any device that I have without touching any cables.

I have three monitors on my desk connected to a full tower rig. You won't find that tower though, because it is in another room, behind a wall. Why? Because I like quiet! Instead of spending hundreds on sophisticated quiet cooling, I just moved my PC from my workplace. All I have are some hidden USB extension cables that I occasionally use.

My both big screen TVs are 0.3" away from the wall. Wires are hidden as well. Connecting additional HDMI source is possible, but inconvenient. I didn't try to make it convenient, because I don't need it.

My point here is that with all the wireless technology that we have, you will be able to, in a blink of an eye, connect your tablet to a keyboard, mouse, printer and big screen without touching a single wire and turn your tablet into a desktop. If you need power, it is a lot more accessible, than other components. And again, if you don't need it, if you don't want it, then stay away from it. I personally don't plan to replace my desktop PC any time soon, but I sure would love to have a 7" touchscreen for metro, next to my keyboard.

Not that long time ago we had laptops that can only go 2 hours while simply working in word document. Now we have smaller, lighter and faster devices that can go 18 hours without charge (how about asus transformer).

We are still talking about controlling big screen tv with your tablet, right? How about this. You go to a hotel room, touch TV remote with your tablet to connect via NFC. You browse netflix movie selection on your tablet. No need to look on big screen and interface is actually faster to use with touch, rather than keyboard and mouse. Then start what you want and enjoy the show on big screen tv via WiDi. You can then pause, play, stop whatever you're watching with tv remote control. You might as well put tablet aside or charge it.
[Windows 8 General] bearofbabe:
I think win 8 will make a large change in OS
[Windows 8 General] corroded:
I dont know precisely why all the operating systems are trying for convergence so hard. The current state of play is that Windows is defacto for computers, IOS is defacto for tablets and Android is becoming the largest player in the smartphone world, slowly but surely. Three differing systems. It's even affecting Linux, Unity and Gnome3 being obviously designed with tablet considerations... and being visually bloated. The former being the reason I'm transitioning to Debian. There seems to be a lot of redesign for designs sake.

MS have pinned much on Metro... trying to unify WinPhone7, XBox, Tablets and PC... and really are charging blindly down that path. I see a shipping drop for MS if Windows ships with forced Metro... and massive user backlash, of unseen proportions. Having tried to program on the thing... im quite certain its hateful. It might be a content consumption OS but its useless for real work. It could not only be a diaster on the PC but have a knock on effect to products with similar interfaces, putting people off those products.

People expect Windows to just be similar, and I dread to think what support will be like, and the massive amounts of user training that will be required on corporate levels. Getting users to follow any instructions at all is like herding cats. A long and torrid time for IT support awaits, that much is certain. MS don't have the luxury of being on the forefront of design, they need to be simple to transition between.

This has the feeling of Vista, but worse. The technology enthiusiasts aren't overly fussed from what I read, and plenty of them run IT departments. I can't see corporates being on side, and they are losing enthiusiasts... so really they have those poor people who buy a new PC like a few years ago, getting lumped with Vista... they couldn't even force gamers with the delights of DX10. IT budgets are tight, and training isn't cheap. Really poor timing.

All I want is a choice to disable Metro, because Windows 8 would be seriously great otherwise. Unless something drastic is done, its going to fail, and fail hard.
[Windows 8 General] lovenokia:
Are you serious about this? damm then i am gonna run win8 full time on my laptop then
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I don't think you know what your talking about. What massive user backlash?

the anti MS crew are admittedly much louder in there FUD spreading abilities but they are not the majority, the poll I started on here kind of suggests that.

I also find it interesting when people compare it to vista. because the only issue with vista was that it was a big drain on system resources and was a bit slow, UAC was a bit overwhelming and it wasn't as backward compatible as it should have been.

Now, personally, not a single one of those issues are in any way shape or form anything like the experience I get in windows 8. When people say its vista 2, all they are doing is regurgitating comments heard over the net without any real thought behind it.

Its also funny you are talking about tha failier of Unity an all the other "graphical" displays but what you seem to fail to understand is that power users, are a minority, every day jo blogs are what MS is targeting, and good for them, because power users don't bring them money. Apple is a perfect example of handing out a crap UI (in my mind) to the masses and doing very well with it, why? not because its a tech OS, but because its simple.

Dont underestimate the power of consumers, having a similar OS that is integrated across several platforms will be lapped up by every day jo blogs
[Windows 8 General] a454nova:
I've talked to a few peeps from the 8 dev team. They said they pulled the Win 7 like UI stuff to force the app developers and others to Metro. The options for the Start Menu and making it Desktop friendy will be back in the final. Windows 8 will be everything you hoped for and then some.
[Windows 8 General] jerome snail:
:rolleyes:
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
ive heard this too but trying to push back the tidalwave of anti Win8 FUD is almost impossible, simply put they dont want to listen, metro needed testing, not desktop, metro needed development not desktop.

what i find really disapointing is so called professionals slagging WP and win8 off whilst proclaiming everything Linux based is the best. The OS is here to test people! Compertition is good folks, WP had a bad rap not because it wasnt any good but because of the mountain of bad press it got because of what it wasnt, rather than what it was.

I fear win 8 will be the same unless common sense comes back to those vocal few and people ignore the wide spread FUD placed out there
[Windows 8 General] bconover93:
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[Windows 8 General] xxBrun0xx:
I have used window 8 quite a bit and to those who downplay it I respond: try it. It's far better than anything any tablet runs or has ever ran. With the way the laptop market is headed, ms thought ahead and made what will hopefully prove to be a brilliant business move: total convergence. I love Android, but it will never compete with windows.
[Windows 8 General] saumitra91:
Been using it since the Consumer Preview (?Beta) was released.

One word.

Awesome!
[Windows 8 General] monkeychef:
That just made my day. I do have to agree that newer versions of Windows seem to run really well on old machines, although I do prefer a real rig for my gaming :)
[Windows 8 General] circleofomega:
I think I agree with you here man. I more or less had similar thoughts.

Desktop will be a big problem. MS is pushing hard so that devs come and design apps. I am using a Hackintosh, OS X Lion and believe me, its a great experience. For Apple, it's the other way round. Devs knock on their door.

Anyways, this is what I have to say. I may be wrong.
[Windows 8 General] xxBrun0xx:
It's light weight than windows 7, so in any circumstance you could use 7, 8 will be as good if not better.
[Windows 8 General] Vintage144:
Does everything "new" in xda have this thread , I think the same people write them up for every device in XDA ,why will it fail or succeed! Its comical! Of course a minute after its released you'll have the crowd whining about "when is the update?"
[Windows 8 General] xxBrun0xx:
Sounds like someone has a Mac :P
[Windows 8 General] KillerBunnys122:
Windows 8 will fail because...

1. It's made for a tablet

2. It's ****

3. It's made for a phone

4. It's gay

5. It's made for a console

6. It's retarded

7. Isn't this kinda like Windows Media Center?

8. DURRRRRRRRRRR
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
ok, ill bite

1, 3, 5 and the one you missed, Desktop

yes, Win 8 is made around them, to a degree, but they will all be the better for it.

2, 4, and 6 - Last time I checked it wasn't ****, its software and im pretty sure its not a physical thing, unlike the ****, lets say, that comes out of you.

Gay, well im pretty sure AI hasn't improved to the point it can be happy and for the other Gay meaning, I think you need to do ask your parents about the birds and the bees as I don't think binary 1s and 0s could be homosexual/

and as for being retarded, your kinda getting a bit offensive now, having a mental or learning disability is not a joking matter

7, Media centre??? what on earth do you mean, that's the only part of Win 8 that MS has openly said they haven't touched since 7 and that UI isn't that different from the previous versions of MCE, I think your a bit confused, which conveniently brings us to your number 8, after reading that I think your may be a bit caught up with your number 2s and perhaps (no offence intended)number 6, best go to the toilet or take a wee rest from the keyboard.
[Windows 8 General] xxBrun0xx:
Another satisfied/braindead Apple customer :)
[Windows 8 General] KillerBunnys122:
Sorry but no. Apple can take their expensively useless products and bury them with their founder. ;)
[Windows 8 General] xxBrun0xx:
Too soon.
[Windows 8 General] darko94:
I would like if Windows 8 would have various editions. For example tablet version would have Metro as a homescreen while desktop version would have the usual Windows 7 desktop with some influence of Metro.

I think that unification is not so good thing. Why have something that does many jobs okay when you could have something that does one job perfect.
[Windows 8 General] Rakeesh_j:
That's kinda lame though. Windows 7 is the first windows OS since 95 that works the way I want it to out of the box (except for the thing where it hides file extensions, but that's an easy fix.)

It would be annoying having to go back to making mass customizations again every time I reformat.

That may be true, but when you upgrade to windows 8, it will uninstall WMC, and you have to pay to put it back on again.

Now THAT is gay.
[Windows 8 General] JAG131990:
Brilliant. Give the power to the user build the OS to be multi platform but allow user to select which version they want to run depending on hardware its installed on..
[Windows 8 General] olympians02:
i don't like windows 7. xp means a great service to me. hope windows 8 will show some extreme.....
[Windows 8 General] Teamscrooge:
Don't get to excited

It will fail because based on my consumer preview, it is not a OS for a computer. It is basically on for a tablet. Although society will get used to it... I am going to need some major time for adjustment. For current Windows 7 users I would highly recommend staying with your current OS....
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
since 95?? I think your wearing rose tinted glasses, 95 was a terrible piece of work, other than a design concept it was garbage and wasn't fixed until 98 SE

Interesting comment on WMC, you got a link to that? I did hear that pro wasn't getting WMC but was available as an add on pack, it didn't say if it was charged for though and the piece I saw didn't say anything about it uninstalling WMC if you upgrade so a link would be handy to clear that one up

They might bring it back, unless you have a link to say otherwise? ive heard from some MS folk that it was disabled to force people to use and develop the new UI but ive not heard it being confirmed as coming back

:rolleyes:

ok, im trying to understand this, I really am, but given that im an admin and at home consider myself at the very least a power user doing all sorts of stuff, I am finding it hard to understand how people are finding this UI hard. its lightning quick, and very efficient ONCE you get the hang of it. that is the problem I feel but that doesn't change the fact that I picked it up in a couple of weeks and refined it in a couple of more weeks, I don't consider myself some super talented computer god so why is it myself and many others can pick it up and yet others cant....

genuine question folks, id love to hear some answers?
[Windows 8 General] Rakeesh_j:
I'm only referring to the UI itself, not the quality of the underlying OS. Windows 98 included that active desktop nonsense that you had to disable, not to mention the annoying IE4 integration. It was a more stable OS than 95, but it had a ton of annoyances added with it.

If you think about it, it's quite simple really. Microsoft is removing media center because they have to pay huge royalties to include the codecs and all of that per license, when hardly anybody uses it. They won't pass that savings on to you of course, but it will save them money all the same.

If you want WMC, you pay those royalties on your own.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/windows-8-media-center-functionality-likely-to-cost-more/19805
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
That would be a terrible idea. You're essentially saying the same thing as people who argued that the Wii Remote should have been "optional" while the standard "classic" controller was the holdover. That's a mistake.

Human behavior follows the same rules as any other system in nature: it behaves in patterns and is reluctant to change those patterns unless acted upon. If the desktop were to be even an OPTION as a default in Windows 8, Metro would be dead in the water, for the same reason that the Wii Remote would not have succeeded as an optional add-on (see the PS3 Move Dildo vs Wii Remote for evidence--which one is optional, which one is default, and which one has sold almost 100 million devices while the other is a nearly dead add-on?). Metro absolutely MUST be the default standard if it's going to succeed. It'll get the UI in the hands of users who, yes, WILL use it, which in turn will mean that developers will support it. Any OS and UI without apps is basically pointless, so this is critically important.

For those hoping Metro will be optional: it won't. Give up that hope now, it's not gonna happen, nor should it happen. It's time to move on to the next thing. Let the past sit underneath and be useful where it can while we make the transition to the future. Otherwise, it really needs to get out of the way :)
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
98se didn't have all that crap turned on be default but I take your point about IE4

as for WMC, that doesn't say any more than what id already heard.

A large chunk of the codec support will have to be supported still in WMP so I doubt it be a huge amount saved, all the TV functions are mpeg, HD TV uses h264 and its all decoding rather than encoding. h264 is paid for up front by the distribution network, not the end user, So if your watch a free to view HD channel then it would be the channel owners that pay for the licence to use it although admittedly to watch a BD film would require you to have a paid for licence to decode it

I Think Dolby/DTS is probably the big exceptions

anyhow, it didn't say anything about removing WMC if I upgrade, it would also be a bit cheeky to remove it as by rights I do have a licence to use the codecs from windows 7 but until we get pricing structures its difficult to complain just yet.
[Windows 8 General] Pappa5murf:
Impressed

Only 4 months ago i bit the bullet on upgrading my Vista (don't ask, was shipped with it) OS to Win7 and to say the least a breath of fresh air albeit a rehash OS. Two weeks later Win8 Dev is downloaded and installed. Best thing i ever did..

The new OS is a little two faced but every keyboard i see has one or two windows keys, convenient for switching between Metro and desktop.

The Metro obviously is built for touch screen but is not a prob for a Lappy touch pad, the short cut corners are great for switching directly to an opened App.

Metro home page is just a full page view of the old start button/ All programs.

The icons are constantly updating and revealing feeds and data without having to click on them. (ie. Weather feed, emails etc..)

Window key short cuts still work.

BTW application start up and switching is BLAZINGLY fast

Start up is "blink and you'll miss it" 10-15s tops.. :eek

My 16yr yr12 son has it now for school and he loves it,, he was able to workout and customise it in a few hours of playing with it..

Over all i rate the OS as prob the best they have ever released other than Win 3.1 ofc..

Waiting until next year for the release is not going to be easy,,

however does anyone know if it is possible to flash an android tablet with the Win8 OS?
[Windows 8 General] Rakeesh_j:
That depends on your region.

Well here's microsoft's exact wording:

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/.../04/16/announcing-the-windows-8-editions.aspx

Economical implies a low cost, but a cost nonetheless, as in not free. Not only that, but if you upgrade from windows 7 home to windows 8 (non-pro) you can't even get WMC, you have to upgrade to windows 8 pro, and THEN you can buy WMC.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Economical does imply a cost, although you could argue (just!) that the most economical solution to something is it being free ;) but it still doesn't say it will remove WMC if you upgrade. it only says that Win 8 doesn't come with WMC but is available. its not talking about upgrades.

I think we could keep going around in circles on this one, in short, there would need to be a very good pricing structure for WMC add on and IF it did remove WMC from a Win 7 upgrade then there would need to be a seriously good pricing structure.

In short, we need to wait for a price list and or confirmation of whats going to happen, anything we say now is but a guess, other than Win 8 doesn't come with it.
[Windows 8 General] Crosaider:
I think it will fail because it is for touchscrrens and a lot of useres don't have a touchscreen in the laptop or netbook. And dedsktops PCs havent't got a touchscreen to...
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
im guessing you haven't used it...
[Windows 8 General] xplus93:
Honestly its marketing, of course windows 8 is going to suck balls. But so did ME, but we all ran to get xp to fix all the problems, same with vista, we all ran to get 7 to fix everything. Microsoft has been doing this for years now, even 95 was fixed by 98 SE. Just learn to save your money and buy every other release cycle.

Also, with the touch screen thing, win8 will push manufacturers to implement touchscreens, then win9 will actually use them.
[Windows 8 General] aldo1028:
lol to not having any why it wont fail
[Windows 8 General] SwimSwim:
It's hard for me to say at this point. I personally love the whole Metro UI, and anyone who used a WinPhone 7.5 (As I had) before using Win8 will feel right at home. Slight learning curve, yes, but for the better. Besides, once (if) it takes off, it will make life easier, because Microsoft (Who could've guessed it) was the first company to create a unified GUI/UI accross the smartphone, tablet and desktop, ensuring consumers only had to learn one UI and could be done with it.

If MS manages to convince consumers and they pull this off correctly, it will be an astonishing success. Heck, The Woz recently said he thinks MS ressurected Steve Jobs soul and had it design Metro, no kidding! The only thing I think they REALLY need is like a quick 10-minute video/interactive tutorial to explain the elements of Metro, Charms, Start Screen, Apps, Desktop, ect. So people who aren't tech savy, or who are just finally relinquishing XP will have an idea of what's going on. Other than that, Apple and Google better start innovating, and fast, or MS will make a come back as the god of OS systems.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
rose tinted glasses again

95 was innovative OSR2 was marginally better ( we are still using the same UI until Win8!!)

98, slightly better, but still bad, 98se almost there

ME kind of sucked, but after a SP or two, as an O,S it was actually ok, as long as you didn't try and do anything from previous versions, ie DOS based programs, or had hardware that never had proper driver support.

XP was a pile of turd until XP SP2, don't forget that

Vista was ok unless you had an < average spec computer, but by SP2 it was more or less on par with Windows 7

Windows 7 was more or less spot on out of the box

The only pattern there, is that each Major release has improved eventually on the previous version through SP updates, with the possible exception of 7, but then the code base of 7 is so similar to Vista that you could call 7 another SP update of vista. in the same way 98SE was a minor bump off 98
[Windows 8 General] 35niavlys:
I tried it and I completely agree, it works well but it is not intuitive, especially for a desktop computer. I try too to install it by Microsoft Deployment Toolkit and it works fine...
[Windows 8 General] jughead101:
Here is one good comparison (Of-course not mine)

Iphone --> UI centric

Android --> Close to desktop

Win 8 --> Data centric

After reading the reviews of Windows 8 I am inclined to try it once. :cool:
[Windows 8 General] Rakeesh_j:
Well we've got some official answers to this:

Not only are they removing WMC, but they're also removing DVD playback from windows media player. No TV or blu-ray support either.

Only way around this is to upgrade to pro and then to buy the media center pack.

http://pureinfotech.com/2012/05/04/windows-8-stops-dvd-playback-media-center-pack/
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
I wonder if slipstreamed isos are already on the torrents ?

Seriously, the point of a computer is to organize, store, and use data. Hollywood may think they are different and special, but once they produce something, its just data. Microsoft should have pointed this out to them, and just paid the fine to play dvds.

So, a bunch of cracking/torrenting, or just download VLC ? Hmmm