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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aranzou:
Quick little analysis here...

Fascinating... Now I do agree that it wasn't stated very well, I do have to pause here and laugh at your previous claims. A question is a question. I myself have experienced this issue, I just never thought about posting about it. Learned the hard way that if I want to charge it completely, the screen and all apps have to be off because they consume more power.

But you, my, you are a fascinating spectacle I will never quite understand. It almost seems, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you get a pleasure out of making those you perceive as lesser intelligent feel stupid. Also want to redefine "you" as quite a few people on this forum. Remember that people have to learn from somewhere, so please aid them.

So here is something I would like you to take from this before you apply the ever so interesting label troll to this... statement of recent activities. If someone has a question, even if they haven't researched it, then post a link. Because people like me have the misfortune of Googleing threads like this and I receive comments from people like "you" that make the entire experience unpleasant and a true waste of my time.

I also truly wish someone would sticky this post, because these forums are riddled with people like the previously mentioned.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
I know how you feel. I think some people have had luck with cutting the cable on the OEM charger and transplanting a regular MicroUSB end, but I just hate the thought of hacking up an expensive OEM charger.

This issue, combined with the crappy support from HTC and the seemingly impossible development of ICS has me strongly considering just getting a different tablet. I bought it primarily to use in the car, but also because of the pen function, but now the pens don't seem to be going back down in price, so I haven't bought one. I just don't like the idea of having to keep pouring into this stupid thing. My plan is to wait it out until Google releases the Nexus tablet, and see how I feel then.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
Well, there are several on Amazon. This one is reasonable, but has not yet been rated.

http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Extra...Z1NS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1334185304&sr=8-4
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
The pictures show a standard MicroUSB tip, so I'm assuming that's just another generic charger. I hate it when vendors do that...they have that junk on eBay, too. I'm sure it works just fine as a regular charger, but I doubt it will work properly for the View.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] J3ff:
From everything I've read this will NOT allow you to actually charge the battery while you are using the flyer to do anything.

I want FULL brightness, playing music, using the gps... and still being able to charge.

Anything less than that and it's Aidos to the flyer and OEM charger.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsweetness:
Did you only order a OEM cable, or did you order the actual OEM car charger? I ask because I've used the OEM cable with a 2.1A car charger, and it was unable to charge the device while it was in moderate to heavy use. The charging process via a wall outlet is also incredibly slow if you use the OEM cable with a USB wall charger (versus using the OEM charger which is one piece rather than a USB cable that separates from the charger). The actual OEM car charger should a difference since the OEM wall charger does.

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Well, you're likely to be disappointed I believe, and it's no fault of the View or the chargers. Expecting to be able to have the screen on with full brightness, to be playing music, and to use the GPS all simultaneously is a tall order for absolutely any device. Under those circumstances, any phone or tablet will likely not be able to charge when connected to a vehicle charger. At the absolute best, you might maintain the charge level or lose just a small amount. But to actually increase the charge while doing all of that (especially having the screen on at full brightness continuously) is very, very unlikely with any device or any vehicle charger.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
Where did you read about this charger? The specs indicate it has what is needed for the View to charge.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
You sure you linked to the right thing? The View's OEM chargers have a 9V output, while normal USB chargers only do 5V. The Amazon link doesn't seem to say anything about voltage as far as I can see.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsweetness:
All you have to see is the picture of the standard microUSB tip to know that the charger in the link will not adequately charge the View while under moderate use. HTC uses a modified microUSB port that allows for faster charging of their devices. Standard microUSB cables and chargers can be used with the View, but they don't supply the same level of charge. All the charger in that link would do for the View is charge it very slowly if it wasn't in use at all.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
You may be right there. There are some others that looked like they had the special htc end. One was $28.

Sent from my HTC View in LALA land.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
OK, but did you search Amazon for car chargers? There are several.

Sent from my HTC View in LALA land.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
BTW, this thread might get more responses in the accessories section...

Sent from my HTC View in LALA land.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] J3ff:
That's a design flaw if that's the truth. Not being able to use a device to it's fullest potential with power flowing to it?? Cmon now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
You can use it with power flowing to it...it just has to be enough power.

Like I said, it needs 9V and 1.62A (I'm not positive about the amperage, but pretty sure that's it).
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsweetness:
That's great. The conversation was about that specific charger in the link and why it is inadequate.

Do you realize how taxing it is on any mobile device to run under the circumstances you want the View to run? Like I said, with the proper charger, you're like to be able to maintain a charge on it with the screen on at maximum brightness, music playing, and GPS on. This is the case for essentially any tablet and many smartphones. If it's a design flaw, then it's a design flaw in pretty much each and every mobile device out there.

You won't have a prayer of even maintaining a charge unless you've got the correct amount of power flowing to it like freak4dell said:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] devator22:
Yea, I have to say that tablets aren't designed to be used like that, particularly the flyer. It's aimed at a different user base, the business and student crowd. It's not meant to be mounted in a car. Buy a cheap, crappy tablet from an off brand if that's what you want.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] stevedebi:
You know, I went to the trouble of searching Amazon; my point was that if the OP is interested, he could do that as well. There are a couple of others on there, and I welcome people to search - for themselves, I'm through with this negative thread.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] J3ff:
I want a high quality screen WITH a real GPS.

Find a "crappy tablet" from an off brand that has that.......for less than 150 and maybe I would.

However..

As I said before, a tablet in it's most basic form, should be designed to be able to run it's processor at 100% and screen at full brightness and not lose a single % charge if it's charging.

Let's hope the official HTC charger does just that.

That'd be like having my i7 laptop being plugged in and when I'm transcoding a movie for 36 hours (running 8 cores at 100% the whole time) the battery wouldn't be able to charge and it'd run out of juice a couple hours in.

Totally lame design if that was the case, which it isn't thank god.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] J3ff:
You think I didn't search amazon? "OEM Flyer charger" brings up lots of chargers that will not charge it while it's being used.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thewadegeek:
Ok while I'm nowhere near a hardware guy, your reasoning just doesn't quite make sense to me. I mean, isn't the connector itself going to be a limiting factor? You can only run so much juice for it before something is going to start smoking. I think HTC would have enable a power governor to prevent us end users from frying our devices...but who knows, maybe I'm wrong!! :P
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
I'm no expert, either, but I think as long as the wiring inside the connector and cable are of a low enough gauge to handle the current flowing through it, it's not a problem.

From what I've read, the actual connector doesn't really have much to do with the power side of things. The connector does have extra pins that regular microUSB connectors don't have, but those extra pins are for the HDMI and whatnot. I'm pretty sure that's why people have reported success with hacking up an OEM charger and attaching a standard microUSB tip to it. It's the bulky part of the charger that determines how much power gets sent through the connector, rather than the connector determining how much power is pulled through.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] J3ff:
It's just easier to say it's the connector ;)

the real reason is because it's a higher power charger.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vilasman:
At the risk of being laughed out of the forum I have to quietly say from the corner... that the Isound 16000 will slow the discharge rate a lot. Now I know the Isounds get terrible reviews on amazon and that most of those reviews say the isounds customer service is terrible as well.

I have 2 of them. Bought each of them on ebay for $50-60. One didnt work when I got it. Sent it and got a new replacement I connected a fully charged flyer to it at like 8am a few sundays ago, screen on full and set to never go off, and wifi running. At 9pm that night, the isound was mostly dead but the flyer was at like 90%. I'll take that.

The isound will slow down the rate of discharge in an ipad 2 as well.

The isound has 5 usb ports.... forget that. If you are trying to charge a flyer or an ipad it's not going to charge anything else at the same time.

I have not had any issues with them running hot, and since I replaced the one I have not had any issues with charging them.

If you dont start with a full charge... as long as you have more than a 50% charge you should see a similar slowing down of the rate of discharge. But something weird happens with both my flyer and my evo 3d where, if you start off trying to charge them with anything less than a 50% charge, it dosent matter if you use a external battery or a car charger, anything except a wall charger, the internal batterys tend to loose charge at an accelerated rate. I hope that made sense. I do have an inverter.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] J3ff:
Just an fyi to everyone.

After 5 days of use, even the official charger, will not charge the flyer in a positive manner if you are using it.

I can have it in the car, screen on, full bright and only ONE app open (slacker) playing cached music (no wifi, no streaming) and darn thing still cannot keep up, even with an official htc 40 dollar charger WITH the special connector.

I'm hoping my galaxy nexus will solve my issues... it might be time to throw this thing up on ebay.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kardain:
What about taking something like this, cutting the barrel connector off and splicing on a micro usb end to the power/ground?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-Adapter...S5PV210-Tablet-PC-Power-Charger-/120882460128

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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Explore3:
There is a partial workaround. As mentioned upthread, if you connect your flyer to the car charger or a battery backup when it has a full charge, the flyer will stay powered for a fairly long time. (Don't forget to turn off 3g/sprint in order to prolong uptime.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] razgriz8426:
So out of habit from my PC, I have often pressed the "search" key and "tab" when trying to switch apps, obviously not doing anything. So I messed around for a sec, and realized that pressing "Alt" and then "Tab" brings up an app switching mode, very identical to Windows! I don't know if this was common knowledge, but it seriously made me fall in love with this thing all over again! Thought someone might find this helpful.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
Most keyboard shortcuts found in Windows work in their related Android counterparts. For instance, in the stock browser CTRL+T opens a new tab, CTRL+R reloads a page etc. Copy & pasting works with CTRL+C/V in programs like Polaris Office, etc.

Some apps don't have keyboard shortcut support, but most Google apps do and a lot of top tier apps also support keyboard shortcuts.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
ok, is there ANY POSSIBLE WAY to downgrade from the leaked firmware we had to flash for the RUU back to the stock one that came with the phone?

this phone has been utter garbage ever since i've done it (7 hour battery life, down from 15-17 hours...random reboots ALL THE TIME etc) and i'm sick of it, to the point where i'm ready to sell the phone and get something else.

is there ANY way to go back?
[HTC Rezound] vdChild:
It is possible but as far as I know you'll need s-off
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
well crap. here's hoping they get a nice method that's proven to work, because i need to drop this crap firmware. these reboots are reaaaaaaally annoying me. just had two within 10 minutes.
[HTC Rezound] Po1soNNN:
unless you have s-off there isnt.

but you should try reflashing the RUU.

I know youve probably heard this so many times but i cannot stress how important it is that you let it finish.

and then install a ROM and you should be fine
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
poison, i've reflashed the RUU three times already. the initial time, where it hung at the white htc screen after 10 min, i battery pulled, rebooted, and let it finished...

then the second time where it didn't hang, and a third time where it didn't hang, and it went through everything twice.
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
nope you're stuck here for now... but have you tried doing a full wipe and starting from scratch? I know plenty of people are using the latest leak firmware without any significant issues.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
yeah man, i wipe it all..data,cache,dalvik,system,boot etc

my buddy did the leaked firmware and gets like 7 hour battery life too, when both of us got 17 hours pre-leak firmware. so it's not just me
[HTC Rezound] username235:
Go back to the Inc for now;) I'm honestly thinking of it lately, feeling a bit nostalgic of Sense 2.1.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
i used my inc with stock sense 1.5 from the froyo upgrade..it was so fast and apps opened instantly. damn good phone!
[HTC Rezound] ericsignals:
Or run a gb Rom....all you need to do is flash the sd card fix after installing the Rom and you are good to go. I was having some heat issues before on ics and my phone acted funny , went back to gb and my phone is back to being perfect.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
hmm really? so maybe it's a combo of the new firmware and ics? if gb runs fine, that is
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
Just out of curiosity, what kernel are you using?
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
whichever kernel the devs make us flash. joel's, nils', etc
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
Give SebastianFM's kernel a shot. Its been working amazing for me. Most of the weird issues I had were gone after wiping caches and flashing that kernel. I kinda made my own Senseless ROM out of the first couple ICS leaks - its still mostly based off the first 4.0.1 leak, but its playing very nicely with Sebastians kernel.

I find that the kernel generally has much more influence on things like charging, heat, performance, battery life, etc., than the ROM does.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
hmm...is there a way to go back to the stock kernel incase it F's things up? cuz i know nils' rom,w hich i'm running now, boots you back to bootloader to install it..

maybe i'll give it a shot. does it help with the constant 1.5 ghz processing speed with screen on?

and are you on new firmware?
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
yeah, if you're using Nils ROM, it has the boot.img inside the PH98IMG.zip file. So you can open the zip, find PH98IMG.zip, and extract boot.img from it. That is your backup of the kernel that comes with Nils' ROM. You can re-flash this from fastboot if you need it later.

Then, using your file manager, go to /system/lib/modules and make a backup of the .ko files in there, as these are specific to the current kernel. If you do end up rolling back to the stock kernel, you'll need to also go back and restore these modules to get wifi working again with the original kernel.

After you've backed up your modules (just save them to a folder on your SD card or something) just flash Sebastians kernel from recovery. It will then reboot to bootloader and flash the kernel, just like you're used to with your ROM install.

Oh, and yes Sebastians kernel does scale correctly. I use setCPU profiles to set the frequencies I want, and while the min/max frequencies do still jump around all over the place in between the range I've specified, watching the current frequency shows that it does scale in between min and max correctly.

**edit

Also, I'm on hboot/firmware 2.11 from the last OTA. I have not installed the leaked firmware.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
thanks man! i'd thank ya but i already used my 8 today lol...so i'm on new leak firmware, would that still work with this kernel then?
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
I have no way to say so for certain since I haven't flashed that firmware - but this kernel works the best of all the rest so far on my phone. The kernel is based off the kernel FROM the leak though, so my guess is you should have no issues at all.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
sweet! thanks, i'll give it a shot soon!
[HTC Rezound] uToTMeH8:
The Problems you've been having sound a lot like the ones I have too. Sebastian's kernel made my phone run real hot. I would stick with either the stock ICS kernel or wipe and flash a GingerBread ROM. I flashed Ineffabilis 1.4 the other day and ran it for a couple days. My phone never hit over 90F. On most of the ICS ROMS my phone would jump over 100F most times
[HTC Rezound] nbhnohome:
This random reboot is driving me nut. I've been trying to flash Leaked ICS 4 times but did not work the issue out.
[HTC Rezound] Tel9000:
Something must be broken to have so many issues with the leaked ICS build. I took the chance and flashed it immediately when it came out (following Scott's instructions exactly). Am running completely stock rooted. No reboots, no heat issues (unless tethering), normally about 10-12 hours of battery with moderate usage, and very smooth and fast performance.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
i might be going to back GB, man. my phone was great on GB...great battery life, etc. so if we go back to GB, all we have to do is flash an SD card fix? where is that found?

are you getting better batt life?
[HTC Rezound] ericsignals:
The fix is here for those who flashed ics ruu and are going back to gingerbread Roms.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23878281&postcount=5002
[HTC Rezound] uToTMeH8:
It's like night and day when you go back...flash the sd fix after the ROM. I always booted and set it up then flashed the fix
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
thanks guys!

wait, question

i ran bamf ICS before joel did the firmware upgrade...can i go back to that nandroid, then flash that fix? because that version was what gave me crazy good battery life, instead of going back to GB
[HTC Rezound] ericsignals:
I ran ics for awhile..battery life was ok with extended battery, heat wasn't as bad as some experienced.... But I had a random reboot and one day while charging the led was flickering...been back on gb and everything works fine.

I'm sure once the ota comes and there is a kernel not stuck at max everyones issues will be solved.

I just figure any excessive is not worth the risk when the update will be here eventually.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
if i were to nandroid back...where can i get the GB kernel?
[HTC Rezound] ericsignals:
It's included in the original Rom zip...boot.IMG i believe but don't hold me to it.... What I have done is flash the Rom that the backup is...easier to have it pull the kernel for me, then restore the backup....it removes any chance of me screwing things up and its easy to do with only your phone... Pullibg a kernel and flashing it is pretty easy from what I read... But I like my way lol
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
nice. i just flashed inef 1.4, and i'm doing SD card fix now.

so funny, i commented in that thread too, that the status bar icons are so crappy looking compared to ICS. they're blurry and not sharp whatseover..like the 3g and 4g icons..it's as if they're not HD icons on GB

its def the bravia engine thats on these ICS roms
[HTC Rezound] hasoon2000:
Are you rooted? If so, I can help.
[HTC Rezound] BBEgo:
OK here's a weird one:

My cell reception has been horrible since the March ICS leak. Data has been great, and the phone has behaved perfectly in every other way, but call quality has been awful.

So today I downloaded the leak again, relocked and tried to install it again.

I renamed the file PH98IMG.zip and placed it on my SD card.

In bootloader, the phone inspects and processes the big file like it's supposed to, but when it gets to the point where it usually asks you if you want to update, it just goes back to the HBOOT menu.

Mainver is down to the lowest. What am I doing wrong?
[HTC Rezound] hasoon2000:
Make sure your SD card is formatted as FAT32. Also, Downgrade to GB and reupgrade. See if that works.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
yes i am. help with what, the bravia engine?
[HTC Rezound] BBEgo:
I'm doing a chkdsk on the SD card. Been FAT32 the whole time, but maybe the check will find an error.

How would one downgrade to GB once you're running the newest ICS roms?
[HTC Rezound] hasoon2000:
If you wanna downgrade your ROM to GB

Sent From My HTC Amaze 4G via Someone's Room ;)
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
i'm back on GB lol i flashed back to inef 1.4.
[HTC Rezound] emarietta:
going to GB is the easy part. we just need to go back to the old firmware haha
[HTC Rezound] BBEgo:
The weird thing is I'm on Nils' ICS, and I've re-flashed the RUU before without issue.
[HTC Rezound] hasoon2000:
Use my script to downgrade your Mainver so you can flash the stock GB RUU.

You can get it from here.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24295265&postcount=55

Use my script to downgrade your Mainver so you can flash the stock GB RUU.

You can get it from here.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24295265&postcount=55
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
thats what I thought.. i didn't think it was a mainver issue, I thought it was a different one.
[HTC Rezound] emarietta:
probably greatest night ever if thats all you'd have to do haha
[HTC Rezound] werdna87:
The ice ruu has a newer version of h-boot so you can't flash an older ruu with an older h-boot until the s-off is finally released
[HTC Rezound] brisdaddy1207:
I haven't had a problem, I've had great battery great signal not data drops, the Wireless tether has been great, but I've heard alot of people complaining. The battery hasn't been superb but its not bad.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
You can't downgrade to gingerbread firmware. When s off comes you can. There is a main version fix flashable in my sig... Easier than the .bat and you can leave it on the sd card for whenever you need it.
[HTC Rezound] jayochs:
thanks con. I was able to easily flash back to gingerbread with no mainver issues. :-)
[HTC Rezound] Thermionics:
Revert to GB

I had lots of issues after moving to the new firmware and ICS. Flashed several times and none of the issues got better (Bluetooth disconnecting, reboots, etc) I was afraid it was the firmware because it happened on every ROM based on the leak and a few different kernels.

Turns out that when I went back to GB all is right with the world. So much for being an early adopter.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
its not the bravia engine. I don't think scott even uses that. The icons on GB are lower resolution so they look blurry.