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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
^^This.! Well said..

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I am not old enough to know for certain, that I will never be a politician or CEO of Apple or anything similar. I certainly don't think so, but unfortunately I can't see into the future, so I have no way of knowing for sure. Unless you are already retired, how do you know for certain, that you won't be either?

I like to keep my options open. I don't want 30yo me to make decisions for 40yo me unless I absolutely have to. And even though 30yo me don't want to be a politician, 40yo me might want that, and then 40yo me will be mad at 30yo me for acting careless with my data, but the it will be to late...

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Well several people have already suggested the same thing, so that doesn't really add anything new to the discussion. I agree with you on the "little by little"-view, though I sincerely don't hope we will end in apocalypse, as you describe.

I sorry to repeat myself though, but I think it is a typical American feature to view everything as a madder of choosing between two options. Either A or B, either black or white, either Republican or Democrat, even though in reality there are 26 letters in the alphabet, black and white mixed together forms grey, and the political spectre even in USA is much broader than those two parties, who basically agree on anything important.

In reality it is easy to use every smart feature of a smart phone and be next to completely anonymous at the same time, at least where I live, if you pay for it. Just pay a homeless guy to go to a store without surveillance and buy a sim card with prepaid hours (no registration required) for you, and go to different stores and pay by cash, whenever you need more hours. In theory you might still give away your identity somehow, but it will take a lot of detective work to hunt you down.

So I have already proved that more options exist beside the two you line out. This rather extreme option doesn't suit me either though, so even though you think it is impossible, I will continue to find the golden middle road, where I can have as many advantages as possible while still keeping the possible risks to a minimum.

I might fail miserably, but even in that scenario, I might have some valuable experience, I will be able to pass on to my children.

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Lol... just lol :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] iArtisan:
Bunch of little sissies in this topic. Grow some balls.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bird11:
No. Not afraid of the zombie apocalypse as such is unreasonable. Also presenting a red herring doesn't make your argument sound better.

Yes companies do do that here. It's very common.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
I really hope this is a troll.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Vangelis13:
:thumbup:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] forgetmyname:
I have successfully used my installation of CM on my phone now Google free for over two years. I set-up a Google account once for a month, then installed CM7, at the time, and never leashed myself to Google again.

Calendar provider: It has to be initialised, and this is usually done via a gmail account set-up. Alternative is onemediahub

Document storage: I use owncloud (Novell) as I can run my own apache/mysql/php instance on my server for syncing my files. Still pretty much a beta yet usable. Also I used dropbox.

Maps. This is a real problem. I had used GoogleMaps, but as of Android 4.1.2 and using later versions of Maps (I think >6.9) there Location Settings seem to be tied to a Google Account. When I press LocationSettings in Maps it lauches the "set up google account" window.

I then changed to AndRoad, which uses the mapping data from the open source project called OpenStreetMaps.org http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AndRoad but this did not work. GPS Status app states that the phone can read signals from the satellites, but AndRoad nor Google Maps will not work for GPS. I wonder if Google did something sneaky to try and persuade users to create a Google Account.

I am also using MapQuest.

The problem with MapQuest and AndRoad is that compared to Google Maps they seem a little poor. The data is not there. However their mapping data is easier to read.

Market: Either I download from Googlecode projects or use Aptoide. The only apps I bought can be bought from outside of the Market (Titanium Backup, Nitrodelux TouchDown (email client for Lotus Notes)).

I think this is all.

I've read and dislike Google's privacy policies, and shall not have a Google Account on

my

phone. It is my phone and my data and not there. I'm not paranoia, but old enough to know better.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] violeaf:
Edit: apologies if this is slightly off topic, but since it's still a direct response to the first post I'm going to push my luck. :D

I've been browsing the forum for some time now but this is one of my first posts so don't be too hush, please :)

I guess your point is not using any services that are affiliated with or provided by big corporate companies who collect user data and personal information. That is all fine and doable, like how you can run a Windows PC without sending information to Microsoft at all (although apparently you have no guarantee that Amazon app store doesn't store and share your preference information either).

You get privacy, but what do you lose? The computing power of servers provided by those companies. You don't have location aware maps that recommend restaurants that you have revealed in your search history, you don't have notifications from the likes of Google Now to remind you the traffic and commute information when needed. To summarise, you don't have all your information in one consolidated location and format that allows feedback of integrated and comprehensive information streams back to you to help organise your life more effectively.

And this is exactly what cloud computing is all about. And my personal view is that this is inevitably the future of information no matter how angry some people are at the fact that companies own our personal data.

How about Facebook? They collect data of the same nature if not more personal. Are you going to boycott Facebook?

Of all companies I believe Google is among the more trust worthy (I know people may mention the personal wifi data collected during mapping but that's another story), more capable few that can make use of the information they collect sensibly and intelligently. Google provide the best maps and email app, why not just enjoy the quality stuff?

In theory, personal information will still be personal, it is just being stored in a different location where you feel you have less control over. Also in theory laws and regulations will be in place to make it stay that way. And I know "in theory" is not good enough for anyone, but since there's no going back, all effort should be made to convert theories into reality. When that day eventually comes, that's when we look back and say, I'm so glad we have done this, it is entirely worth it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
I realize 99% of people reading this think Google is a good company that has our trust, but that doesn't mean you guys should get upset if somebody thinks Google is evil. Any company can do bad things and Google is one of the most capable of doing such things, so if anything, the "paranoid" people would be unscathed if things got to that point and your data is owned by Google. After all, Google isn't into the tech business, its in the advertising business. They're not somebody who people should automatically trust but rather, they should be a company that the public should always be ready to boycott the hell out of, like with what's going on with Facebook.

If anything, you guys should be supporting another open source mobile OS as well and always be open-minded about alternatives so we can get some competition going on here instead of Google 24/7 so we the consumer can benefit more.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zuben el genubi:
I'm not against Google in particular, except that I do want the right to use the phone in my own way, and if that doesn't benefit Google, too bad.

I'm against demographics. I don't fit mine, and don't intend to. I resent marketing, demographers, politicians trying to shove everyone into a specialized compartment. (I've read trades)

I don't use any of Google's services except Mail and Play, I must have about twenty diffferent aliases all over, so you'd have to use something other than name search. I don't use the Mail app. I use Tbird and Aquamail.

Since the phone is rooted - I will freeze any app after I use it. If I post to Flickr, then Flickr gets frozen by TB as soon as I'm done.

I don't do social networking - I'm simply not interested. I have a smartphone because it will carry my all my reference apps and allow me to search online for an answer. I rooted the phone, MAPS, location, gone. Only use GPS, and that for astronomy apps. Since the phone is a Nexus, no carrier bloat, either. A wifi tablet works for all this, but the phone is a more convenient size, plus I can call and text on it. I'm interested in storage and a way to load an app with a large DB faster. I bought the phone, am paying carrier's bills so I should be able to use in the way I like. At least I'm not data hogging and trying to gyp carrier out of legitimate charges for data like some in some forums I've seen.

I did get on Google's dashboard and I have set that up the way I like it. I use Start Page as a search engine. I didn't appreciate Google's recent attempt to get me to sign up for +. If Google makes that a requirement, there's always "Lorem ipsum dolor" since I don't have anything to say.

I don't sync mail. Simple reason - Phone, tablet, XP laptop, Ubuntu desktop. Too damn confusing. I found out how to read contact files backed up on the computer.

I read the article on the front page about separating GAPPS.(6/12) I think that would be a good idea.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] selipaube:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

u can.

use miui the best option.

firefox default browser,

yahoo default search engine,

or just migrate to china n use full miui services.

:P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Alarmmy:
This is just stupid. Overeaction people, who are paranoid about anything. If you want privacy, go to Amazon rainforest, live with wild animals, and your data will be safe. This is informative era, and your brain is still in Ice Age. Live a life or just kill yourself, then your info will be safe forever.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rezoundness:
i read that samsung may purchase android from google along with moto as a throw in...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Worst troll attempt ever.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TheBigX:
Just download CodenameAndroid or Cyanogenmod and flash it without GAPPS. In CyanogenMod you will have Apollo as music player and a non-google video player.

Kalender:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.droidwave.offlinecalendar

Email:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9

Music:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nullsoft.winamp

Video:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mxtech.videoplayer.ad

Maps / Navi:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALL

Firewall (iptables) to block apps to talk to "mothership":

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.droidwall.free

AdBlocker to block crappy ads:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigtincan.android.adfree

Everything is for free and works without internet and google (email and Adblocker (one time) still needs internet ;))
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wkwkwk:
Is there any way you can download play store apps without having gapps installed?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mainmast2:
Aptoide if I remember right, may be an option.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tushargok:
I really like the main question and this thread. In past I have tried to use android without google and it works!

1. Install vanilla cyanogenmod (it comes without google apps)

2. Install F-droid.org app store (F-Droid Repository is - FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) application store for the Android platform. )

3. Using the built in email app from cyanogenmod sync your contacts, mail, calendar with either your corporate account or Yahoo or Outlook (MS hotmail)

4. Incase if you need more apps sign up/install either ( amazon store or use yahoo android store)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Unrelashade:
Did you guys see the news articles with this tag? It's supposed to help with getting rid of Google on Android.

http://www.xda-developers.com/tag/say-sayonara/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pcfanboy142:
Anybody know how to remove gapps from cm10.1 without a full wipe? Do i just delete system apps?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Unrelashade:
You can try to do it with Titanium Backup, but I don't know which apps you can remove without making your system unstable.

Easiest way is to just not install Google apps.

Also, to everyone, check this out. The guys of the Free Software Foundation are working on porting their Android fork which is entirely free (free as in freedom), so of course also no Google strings. http://replicant.us/about/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
Open the gapps zip file and remove everything listed there on the phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
Its not "tinfoil hat" to have the desire to stay away from Google, considering their history with the NSA and other dubious things. I support stripping GApps out of ROMs and using alternative app sources and only local storage (cloud is terrible if US hosted).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
The thing is that if you want to be serious about privacy, don't use a cell phone in the first place. The NSA or whatever can waltz into your carrier and get data either way.

You're registered on a public forum. I hope you use a VPN, since every IP you've ever been here on are logged.

Privacy ? That's dead since yanks cheered for the Patriot Act.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fux0r99:
To the OP Google doesn't care if your into strange p0rn fetishes, its OK buddy , secondly google owns pretty much 90% of the interweb an all the third party companies an other non google apps you think are safe are in some shape or form associated with google or its services, every time you turn your phone on your carrier that your using is recording your data usage an web activities an selling your info to everyone like telemarketers for example an yes all that is common practice an totally legal, google is the least of your problems, you may as well wave a big red flag above your head for all the good its going to do for you :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Unrelashade:
That's like saying, hey you don't wear a hat anymore, so might as well get completely naked.

Your location is far less information then all the things you input into Google Services. That's why Google is doing it, because they earn something from it.

Also, one might not use Replicant on his phone but tablet or maybe on a phone but without a SIM Card, so even if you were right, this mod was still valuable.

I'm glad people are talking about this. I think there's a lot to learn about this topic for a lot of people. :highfive:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sesme:
Can read this post is for nogapps!!!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] unvivid:
https://prism-break.org
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] stebomurkn420:
Blapkmarket....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PartisanEntity:
Thanks to the OP for bringing this up and attempting this.

I am very interested. My main reason is that I do not want to be dependent on any one entity for everything I do. I do not want to place all my eggs in the same basket if you get what I mean.

Also, call me old fashioned, but I like to have as much control over my data as I can. Naturally we cannot have 100% control because this is the nature of the internet. In order to use the internet you have to leave a digital data trail and you have to give up some control over some of your data. But, some of us are will to give up more, others less.

For emailing I have my own domain.

For calendar and contacts I got myself a VPS at Linode, and set up owncloud where I store my files (works like dropbox), contacts and calendars.

For IM'ing with friends I set up a private xmpp/jabber server.

On the phone I have turned off all syncing in the google account. Instead I sync my contacts and calendar with my ownlcoud instance using two apps: caldav-sync and carddav-sync, these apps serve as go-betweens.

For note taking I use an app called Safe Notes, it's ugly but works and doesn't require an internet connection, so all notes are stored on the device. I am fine with that, I have never needed to access my notes from various/remote locations as I have my phone with me at all times.

Of course it all boils down to your needs, this may or may not work for others.

I'm pretty happy with this set up so far.

I would love to have something like apt-get on Android, linked to some trustable repo.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Unrelashade:
I think the app/ market F-Droid is what you are looking for

https://f-droid.org/

Cheers
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fux0r99:
Without google you wouldn't get android updates, android os without google apps you mean, I don't think you find a better replacement for google maps, google search, google settings app or youtube.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Shankill:
No, Android isn't controlled by Google. There's the version of Android with Google apps, then there's the Android Open Source Project (AOSP). AOSP is what ROMs like CyanogenMod are based on. So you still get Android updates, and often before manufacturers roll them out.

It's arguable about whether Google is the best in that respect. I've been happy with OpenStreetMaps and DuckDuckGo, but I do use Google stuff when alternatives don't do the trick.

Also, I'm not sure why Google Settings would be a particularly desirable app. I mean, it's not particularly undesirable, but...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
i agree with the google search part. most will disagree with your other claims. there are plenty of great map alternatives that get the job done. albeit google maps is a little more robust with the search and stuff, but alternative maps will work just fine. youtube? c'mon. i watch youtube occasionally when i'm bored but youtube is kind of like the internet as whole just on a smaller scale. youtube is likened to porn in relation to the internet because 90% of the stuff on there is just useless entertainment.

as for myself, i do use a lot of google services but i am on guard. i don't mind google using my anonymous info for whatever, because i do take a lot of precautions and opt out of a lot stuff, careful where i use my data and i also block ads. it is rare to see an ad on my phone. i am curious to see where google is going using people profiles for their own personal use. that is getting precariously close to crossing the line in my opinion.

i may use my old gnote2 when i feel comfortable using my gnote3 as a daily driver and it is fully setup as a path to seeing how useful android is without google. i do admire google for a lot of things but i am getting a little bored with android because it's not as open as it's all cracked up to be with carrier and OEM interference, not to mention google's nexus line not being all it could be. i am curious to try jolla sailfish, tizen and especially ubuntu. was very disappointed to see ubuntu not make their goal for the edge phone. hopefully, some OEM stepped and will help make it happen. i think a full fledged 64 bit ubuntu with all the trimmings could usurp android.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AndyYan:
...No one knows better than we Chinese how completely those motherfscking Chinese ROM makers (MIUI, Lewa, Huawei EmUI etc.) have erased Google Services from their ROMs/devices and replaced with their own. :mad:

I personally don't install GAPPS and don't use Google that much, but in this case having no service framework/infrastructure is better than having a badly designed and integrated one. Plus, these non-Google thingys prevent Chinese ROMs from keeping up with the latest OS.

So yeah I mean we can have no Google for the infrastructure part, but neither should any other companies fit in.

Sent from Google Nexus 4 @ CM10.2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blausand:
Noogle should be the top feature for all those alternative ROMs

I read your hesitating doubts about Google, and i wonder:

Why those excuses for your distrust? Naturally you must be afraid of any gadget that runs services of the big US players on it!

It's not wallpapers and lock-screen designs that make you look for an alternative firmware,

it's your first intention to get rid of the so called "SERVICES" these days!

Google,

Manufacturer,

Carrier,

all of them just want your BLOODY TRACES, Tommy!

That's why you should ask for exactly what the OP said: A system not depending on those blood suckers.

And c'mon, there's a lot solved by today: OpenStreetMap, F-Droid and other markets, K-9 Mail, CalDAV and CardDAV, etc...

It's just the compilation of all those solutions i am still missing, and 2014 should really be the year that comes up with it.

Let's send these CyanogenMod Inc. boys to the desert and bring something really green on the display.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Unrelashade:
Everything you said sounds good, but if you want really green on the display, rather check out OmniRom :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blausand:
OmniROM was great, but does not support Galaxy S4 [yet]

Yeah, i'd love to use OmniROM, but they haven't compiled it yet for my Model (Galaxy S4). :crying:

Apart from that, they build on top of CyanogenMod.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SpyroG921:
F droid has a good mobile ui now so you can just flash a rom without GAPPS and just install apps using the stock browser.if you change the search engine to bing on the browser you'll be totally free of them.
[General Questions and Answers] kalpet89:
First of all, what Im trying to do is to extract the .tar.md5 files that come with every ROM.

Every time I do that I get a message from 7-zip "There is no correct record at the end of the archive", however the files are extracted.

Below are the files inside the extracted folder:

boot.img

recovery.img

system.img

userdata.img

Then I try to open the system.img with unyaffs but I get some errors there too for example: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION.

So my questions are:

1) How to correctly extract a .tar.md5 file?

2) How to open a yaffs2 .img file?

Thanks
[General Questions and Answers] ib0rg:
try on RAR.
[General Questions and Answers] kalpet89:
I tried with Rar, but still the same :(
[Motorola Droid 3] ZaneKaminski:
Hey all. So I was looking at this cpu frequency governor for the razr:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1367255

I was wondering how I could get this working on our devices, so, just for curiosity's sake, I copied it to the phone and ran insmod on it. It did a quick cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors and found the new governor listed, so I opened up SetCPU and set it as the governor. cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor told me, however, that I was still on mot_hotplug, so I switched to ondemand and then back to the eprj governor... still told me I'm on ondemand.

I figure that the razr's and droid 3's kernel modules are not binary-compatible, so I'm gonna need to recompile the module. How do I go about doing this?

Thanks.

-Zane Kaminski
[Motorola Droid 3] saintlikesniper:
I understand what your getting at but we can't flash kernels best you can do is port kernel modules
[Motorola Droid 3] ZaneKaminski:
Yeah... I wanna compile this module for the Droid 3.
[Motorola Droid 3] Hashcode:
The source for the current 890 kernel is on Sourceforge.net under the Bionic's GPL software page.
[Motorola Droid 3] Q9Nap:
Would it be possible to build a kernel module to add loop device support? Would like to be able to chroot Ubuntu.