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[Windows 8 General] X82X:
No matter how much you try to say otherwise, metro is and will always be a tablet oriented UI. None of it is usefull on a desktop.

Ive been testing Win8 for a while now and so I can safely say that not only will it alienate a large portion of its fanbase, but will confuse it to hell in the process.

Win 7 - I want to load notepad, click start, type notep, enter.

Win 8 - I hit start on the keyboard (will confuse a lot of people) and type notepad and hit enter. Instantly thrown back to the desktop. Or I start at the desktop and have to enter metro for the duration of the search. A UI so inconsistant it fair boggle the mind. Look Microsoft, if you want to use metro, fine. But make the entire merge over to it. Make every application have a metro version, without exception.

The settings are basic too. With some settings not available in metro and only through the tradition paths. In metro, type mouse, first thing you see is NO results. In win 7 you would see mouse settings. You now have to click the settings sub-list on the right for it to show you the search results in settings. Then you click mouse and once again thrown back to the desktop. And let's be honest. You cannot use the desktop for long without being forced to enter metro at some point.

I could go on for hours on why it sucks. But there would be a solution. When you install Win8 or upgrade to it, have the option of the follow:

I am an experienced windows user and want to retain the start menu(metro will not be installed)

I want to use the new metro interface.

Allow us to chose which way we want it. God damn it's a dumb move and all the great work under the hood with task manager, copy dialogues etc is wasted when the user is confused and annoyed just using it.

You pin a webpage to the metro interface. What do you see? A IE logo with some txt about the webpage. No favicon? No screenshot of the page so it matches the metro ui? Non metro apps stick out like a sore thumb in the metro ui.

I say this with all honesty. I really want Win 8 to fail. To show Microsoft that you can't be this inconsistant and get away with it. Will this make me move to a mac or linux? No, but my copy of Win 7 will stay installed for years to come.
[Windows 8 General] michiganenginerd:
I am using it with a BIOS. I was unaware this was a requirement. If it is, it may only apply to OEM, unless they enforce it after the release preview.
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
Yes, I've heard the same from each person that has tried it.

They're calling it "vista again", or " M E two point oh"
[Windows 8 General] _Variable:
Since I havent tried it yet, Im gonna base my opinion on videos I've watched. I have seen an official video from WindowsVideos that shows Windows 8 being used in a mouse. I must say it looks easy for an average Joe/Joanna. And this is coming from an Apple fangirl that doesnt bash competition ;). Laptop Magazine also demonstrated Windows 8 on a laptop with multitouch trackpad(not a MacBook) and it runs smoothly. So i dont get the "its for touchscreens!" thing.
[Windows 8 General] fatclue:
We could go on for days (or pages) debating these points but in the end, MS is going to do this and there's nothing we can do about it. Well, we could all buy Macs but that's not going to happen either. The people that are going to have the hardest time with W8 are the Android fanboys who don't have an OS of their own. Windows users are going to pick this up quickly and Windows Phone 7 users like myself are going to say "finally". The Apple crowd will not be an issue because they're in their own world (not a knock) and may just give a passing glance. I will say this, if you want to have a pleasant experience don't load W8 on older hardware. Make sure drivers are available for everything before installing otherwise you will be miserable. That being said, there are those who won't do their research and then will be the first ones bad-mouthing on these forums. :cool:
[Windows 8 General] _Variable:
Allright! Whos gonna start a fundraising to buy everyone here macs? (exclude me, I already have one) Thanks for the cool idea

Edit: And then Mac sales will skyrocket! Now thats the way uh huh uh huh, we like it. Oh yeah!
[Windows 8 General] acejoker68:
Its ok

Windows 8 will be alright its not the best that i can see though my only complaints is for some reason the shutdown button doesnt shut down my computer (weird) and the Metro if i have the option for it them it will be fine.

What its missing from what i see

As a universal os it should be able to push what your doing to other devices say im watching a movie on my computer but want to move i should be able to flick it over to my tablet. Or a web page. Im not saying everything can be thrown over but it should have at least some of that feature.

Also it should be less confusing for people moving. I have yet to figure out how to put some of my programs on the desktop.

App vs program what the heck is the difference? The common user will be confused why there friend can run their intel program but they cant run it on their arm tablet

Microsoft is making the changes it needs to but they cant force it they need to let it be a option. Go with the flow of the public not force them in to a new way. They will also need to explain a lot of things to the common user about how this works different from every other windows. Definitely the tablet part since this is final there first dedicated tablet version.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
if we all go buy macs several things will happen,

every penny of disposable income for the next decade for all 4 Million xda-ers will evaporate

Apples product prices will also sky rocket to the point where we sell our children to buy a phone (why charge less when they will happily pay more)

Stevie boy will literally push up the daisies and dance over Gates grave

There is a very real chance that Hell will freeze over

and finally, Reality will be so distorted by the combined Apple Love (read: reality distortion field) that all sense of this universe will forever be gone in a puff of (iphone battery) smoke

oh and curious new xda-ers will break out in strange fits of joy ;)
[Windows 8 General] fatclue:
Lay off the Chivas and the mushrooms, laddy. LOL.
[Windows 8 General] luigi90210:
Windows 8 is one of those things where you ether like it or not.

IMO windows 8 is better suited for a tablet PC over a traditional desktop and laptop, metro UI is very touch friendly and when I used it on my laptop it was a horrid experience, and it wasn't cause it was slow or laggy, its because it felt like having android with a keyboard and mouse.

Its definitely one of those things where you have to try it to understand it.
[Windows 8 General] gogobaba:
Hello its my 1st post of this part of the forums and heres my opinion

1st lets start with that i already tried windows 8 and i didnt like it because it was still far away from finished ( im talking february/march) it was still developer's preview as far as i remmember and i hated it because it was far from done almost nothing was working it didnt even had celcius to the bloody weahter app.. and other annoying "small" things ( it didnt had the bulgaria keyboard layout that i use in school) so i uninstalled it and get back to win 7

After that like 1 month ago i installed the latest ubuntu i think it was 12.04 it was good but i missed alot of program on a dayly bases like winamp so i installed win 7 gain

I had to reinstall my pc today because it got screwed and i decided to try the new release preview of the windows 8.I got pretty suprised when i installed it IT HAD EVERYTHING THAT I NEEDED.It had the keyboard layout,the right weather settings and so on.So i configured it on my liking and im using it for about 6 7h now and i totally love it.Its fast and smooth much faster then the win7.I really love the metro style thingie i find it much faster then the old desctop.

The things i dont like so far about it are not much of a big deal.

For example why i hover my cursor over the right top corner of the screen i would love the menu to top up emediatly now u have to w8 few milisecs with i find annoying the same goes for all the things that are started from the corners if they make them pop up faster it will be better

And the worst thing it the lack of metro style programs i know that its still early for companies to update there products and they will for sure.I would love a winamp and skype with metro UI

I couldnt run the command and conquite:generals zero hour on windows 8 for some reason.Its an old game from 2003 but its freaking awesome >.<

Another thing that i hope they will add is better integration in the messeging app i hope they will add skype/facebook chats to it if they do it will be the best app in the world all of your chats in one place pff just awesome

And last let me give u the specs of my system its on old one

AMD 7750 2.7ghz dual core processor

3gb ram 800mhz

geforce 9600gt video card

320 hdd

And yes even the desctop environment is fast on my system then the win 7
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
Try installing the windows 7 version of your video drivers. If command and conquer uses OpenGL instead of DirectX, that could be the problem. :-)
[Windows 8 General] Rivaleron:
I am using win8 on my sony vaio and i am in the habit of it :D Its reaily faster than win7. More stable more useful. Just use it you will see.
[Windows 8 General] c5satellite2:
What was that os that just had a bunch of useless crap on top of an already good os? Windows Millennium anyone?

I'll stick with 7 for a while on the desktop. Windows 8 is more tablet/phone oriented. Would be sweet on a phone!
[Windows 8 General] mrchezco1995:
It would be nice when they just put an option to enable/disable metro and also put an option to log in to desktop and have the good old start menu instead of the newer metro start screen
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
No millennium was far more unstable than Windows 8. Not to mention of different kernel architecture, can't even be compared ;-)
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Not sure what part of ME was ever any good, it was MSs first attempt to remove a good chunk of 9x, namely DOS, with horrific consequences in some cases!, it didn't go to well at all, to be fair though, not as much of the blame for that mess was given to the real culprit, ie 3rd part programs and driver developers, MS took it in the balls but wasn't completely their fault!

and Win 8 technically IS on the phone, WP7. In fact there are some things ive been feeding back that are not like WP7 enough, the people hub for instance.
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
They never removed DOS from Millennium, it is still there before Windows boots but they masked it by removing the startup menu options, key presses, text references, etc from it. Iirc, there was even a patch that could re-enable access to those menu options. Win8 isn't technically on phones though, the metro user interface is.

:)
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I stand corrected, kinda!

Out of the box, DOS was removed (for all intensive purposes!) but yes could be added by replacing several of the boot files

Windows 8 "concept" is on the phone ;) and from what I hear, it will be getting a more unified kernel with WP8 too
[Windows 8 General] MrToastbrot:
I tried Win 8 in a VM. I like the new Interface, and there are some nice new features.

But I don't really like a "start menu" like Metro who fills my full 24 inch Display. If there is a way, to open Metro in a smaller version, I'm going to install it on my Desktop. On my 14 inch notebook, I'm going to install Win 8 anyway.
[Windows 8 General] TheAtheistOtaku:
I have been dual booting windows 7 and windows 8 since the consumer preview and I have to say, it's pretty awesome. I thought I would hate metro, but I fund myself using it must if the time since chrome has a metro app bundled with the Dev and

Canary builds. The only thing it'd missing is a multi protocol i.m and email client like trillian. But I'm asking to much out of a release candidate lol
[Windows 8 General] ChrisKringel:
I used Windows 8 on my old Dell Studio 17 for a few months now and in fact I do like it. There have been a lot of improvements and the OS is very fast and stable. About the metro debate: I also own a Windows Phone and I love Metro on my Lumia 800. It looks great and gives me every information I need. Metro is there when I turn my phone on, and it is integrated in my natural workflow. On my Laptop, it is not integrated. When I turn my PC on I am confronted with the Metro logon screen. After logging in I see the Metro Start Screen. Then I open up a Desktop app and I'm out of Metro. The most work I do is outside the Metro environment. The only time I come across Metro again is when I shut my PC down. Well, I guess I have to see how I can integrate Metro more in the future...
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
The main problem is that there aren't enough apps in the store yet. The selection is pretty limited.
[Windows 8 General] jufa2401:
I've tried the latest builds , and I'm definitely staying with win7. I just don't find the metro tiles practical for my uses.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
im curious, what is it they don't do that would suite your "uses"
[Windows 8 General] cuzzo94:
they are a waste of space and with a lot of applications it can be confusing. however, if it is really lighter then windows 7 it takes 30 seconds to remove metro ui, so it's not a problem
[Windows 8 General] Trig0r:
Not designed for Desktops I agree with, the RT version on tablets will be good but for replacing Win7 on a desktop, metro just doesnt work...
[Windows 8 General] :
What's the point of using Windows 8 if you remove Metro UI? -_-

Just get used to the new interface. You can't expect everything to stay the way they are. Change happens.
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
Floods happen too, and you want to put the village back like it was. Oxen here, apples there, houses and memories...

Change is not always good.

New software may require w8, but that doesn't mean people can't find a way to slay metro.
[Windows 8 General] fatclue:
What's the point of accepting things as they are? Where would we be as a society if everybody adopted your laissez-faire attitude and not challenge the status quo?
[Windows 8 General] MaSmBx:
Windows 8 will be hit or miss on Tablet as well but it will probably do better on Tablet than Desktop/Laptop.

I see Microsoft completely abandoning the Desktop users and going all ARM in the future since more and more people are starting to use on the go devices. Honestly, I'll not buy Windows 8 unless it's for Tablet, Desktop experience is the worse and it has nothing to do with Metro UI but how it has been implemented and designed. After using it for couple of weeks, I still dislike a lot of things and for that reason I used VMware to try it out.

Look at Apple, if anything they will probably merge OS X into iPhone (maybe) and make it better instead of what Microsoft is doing to Windows 8.
[Windows 8 General] osama_talha:
Yes man. I totally agree with u on that. Metro ui will be a rock on the ARM devices. I think Microsoft must not mix desktop with Tabs and Phones.
[Windows 8 General] damian_zet:
i will wait and see what hapened
[Windows 8 General] warlife2008:
Thanks a lot !
[Windows 8 General] skells:
I don't reckon that W8 is very good. I tried it for a bit and well its like they took a step forward and half a step back. I honestly think they should have made the whole operating system metro and made a VM of metro so you can run legacy apps. Also the whole snapping apps is really annoying as you can't have half half windows over the screen. Just a few little things bug me. Finally, they should really have a built in guide on where everything is because it took me 30 mins to find settings... Anyway just my 2 cents.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
which you said yourself, its progress

making the whole thing Metro is a terrible idea at the moment given that almost all your work will be mostly carried out in a desktop environment and why have a VM of desktop or Metro? they both work on the same device, adding another layer of OS just to have one or the other is a complete waste of resources.

I cant believe how people can miss the whole concept of Win 8 so much. Actually I can understand it, usually its to do with FUD being spread and believed with little or no understanding.
[Windows 8 General] Droff:
I do know that windows 8 interface is different, but I really don't understand some of the negatives that people bring up.

Actually start from 3.11 move to Win95. OK, it was a very long time since I have used win3.11 and I don't remember all the aspects, but I really don't understand how start menu on win95 was a bad decision. You can create shortcuts on desktop similar to 3.11 and never use start menu if you don't like it. I don't see how it was a bad move to have the start menu. Though I could also live without it. The most important addition was not the start menu, but the taskbar and toolbars with links.

95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 and others, operate pretty much the same way as most other desktop OSes, including many linux distros and OSX. The most important common feature is the taskbar (where you have fast access to open programs), toolbar (access to most used programs) and a desktop (access to most used programs and files). As a matter of fact start menu, toolbars and desktop are folders with links being displayed in a bit different ways.

In windows 8 (preview) start menu is gone. Why is it such a big deal. All it is an organized folder with bunch of links. I'm pretty sure there will be an option to have it when win8 will be actually released. Even if wouldn't be an option, getting the same functionality will be very easy using some simple third party tools. It is really not a big deal.

The way I see (I know it's been said before), windows 8 is divided into two parts: Metro and usual desktop. That usual desktop has the same functionality as your old OS. You won't be missing anything.

Metro on the other hand is a totally new thing. It clearly designed for touch panel use on mobile devices. It will be a great addition (replacement) for the UI on those devices. I don't think there is anybody who can say that would rather have Win7 instead of Win8 on a tablet PC.

Use of Metro on desktop PC with CURRENT HARDWARE is a bit awkward. When people multitask and switch between email, browser, word and other programs, copying and referencing information between those programs using mouse and keyboard, standard windows taskbar provides much faster UI. The way I see it, with win8 there is a good chance that we will see new hardware for a desktop that will enhance the UI experience. Imagine a smaller touch panel next to your keyboard, where you can see email, weather etc and launch programs that open on a bigger screen. Live tiles is a great and useful addition when there is a hardware to provide the comfortable use.

With flexible oled displays, NFC technology, wearable gadgets etc, window 8 is truly a step in the right direction.

Complaining that you don't have hardware that supports new kid of use, is pointless. Nobody forces an upgrade and there are plenty of backward compatible features in windows8 to ensure the smooth transition.
[Windows 8 General] Afaq Shahid:
I agree with your first and second point but I am pretty sure that it'll be great hit since every vendor is releasing more and more tabs and touch enabled notebooks and that is the future.
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
I dunno, the future looks more like about a 5" screen ....

http://m.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2193429/samsung-galaxy-s3-reaches-10-million-sales
[Windows 8 General] Akiainavas:
I agree, Metro on a desktop is a bit of a fail ( some will love it though ) but people seem to miss a very important point here... for god's sake, the OS itself works like a charm, it's so much faster and snappier than Windows 7...how can all you people focus only on how much you hate Metro Start and forget about the core OS improvements ?
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
ill hazard a guess on that one and say because most people who "try" it out, don't try it out and just read regurgitated FUD off the internet making their own sheep opinions based utter crap, or at the very most try it out with such negative opinions to start with that it will always fall short in either case completely ignoring all other aspects of the OS because that wouldn't fit with the FUD opinion of the original Author.

I don't love metro, but I understand it and now ive used it and gotten used to it ive found that it makes absolutely zero negative impact on my non touch screen desktop device.
[Windows 8 General] ROCOAFZ:
Enterprise... actually it will be very enterprise frendly. VPN, Remote desktop, all the windows features and control by server with group policies where you can lock the pc's down. As for metro... businesses will have access to their own stores and i'm betting there will be group policies to only show what a business wants to be shown in metro. Office, Exchange mail ect..
[Windows 8 General] The Janitor Mop:
This is what I'm most excited about. Basic improvements like speed, stability, and to the trackpad make so much of a difference. Metro Start is a mild inconvenience at worst, and one I can live with if basics of the OS are greatly improved.
[Windows 8 General] ohgood:
because no matter how great the kernel efficiency is, the UI is what people love or hate.

metro is an unneeded layer, (opinion) and people usually just want to youtube or fb all day instead of swoop around on tiles/previees.
[Windows 8 General] drnik976:
But then again, with the release of the new operating system is always scolded her first and then get used to.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
absolutely true, DOS command line to Win GUI, people hated it, Win 3.11 to 95, people shouted and hated it, 98 to vista, people hated it, 7 to 8, people hate it.

Of course the irony is that at every point where there has been a significant change in direction whilst initial outcry is always high, its funny how it soon becomes excepted as perfection a year or so on!
[Windows 8 General] Lesicnik1:
I can imagine when Microsoft adds in a new design orientation

"NOO! why are you changing Metro?! Metro was perfect [new design] sucks, Ill never get it!!!"

And then after that

"NOO! why are you changing [new design]?! [new design] was perfect [new new design] sucks, Ill never get it!!!"

Repeat into infinity.
[Windows 8 General] lioloco:
windows 8 wont fail because is a innovative idea for use a computer.

It is like Apple I in '80
[Windows 8 General] philnolan3d:
I've been using Win8 on and off for a while now, dual booting on my laptop. Last week I updated to the Release Preview and have just left my laptop on Win8 since then. Over all I've been really pleased with it. it's a 5 year old laptop with 2GB ram and Win8 boots from cold in 28 seconds. Wakes from sleep almost instantly, maybe 3 seconds. Everything over all feels snappier. The Start page works great.

My only complaint is that the Metro workflow could use a little tweaking. For example you generally spend a lot of your time in the lower left corner. However the back button for every app is in the upper left, that's a lot of jumping up and down on the screen. The same goes for switching Windows. You've got the cool thumbnails on the left side of the screen, very similar to app switching in Android ICS.This is activated by going to the bottom left corner of the screen, but the last program used it always at the very top of the list so you've got the same jumping up and down a I mentioned above. This might be made easier if i adjust my touch pad speed. Otherwise I love the Metro UI, I can't wait for more apps to come out. Plus when you install Bluestacks you get the full Android app library as well!