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[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imnubz:
alfs v09 fps no cap

how to repair brightness in alfs v09 (fps no cap)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evoospeed:
flash custom rom

can i flash custom rom with original kernel and without unlocking the boot loader???
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikunj99:
help..how to use partition

hi first sorry for my bad english...

hi i read this thread but i'm not understand much so i post my prob here..

now my phone is on minicm7-2.2.1-shakira (2.3.7) n kernal is nAa-14 and i created partition in my sd with help of cwm and the created partition is ext3 partition i check in pc but now the problem is i dont know how to use the ext partition so please explain it step by step because i'm noob

which application i have to download to use of ext partition and what was the setting do in phone then i use the ext partition..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
use Link2SD from play store...

Now it will ask you abt your partition type i.e ext3, ext4..

Click it reboot your phone and then use link2sd to create link of your apps on the sd card..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
Hello all.

I downloaded and installed the Froyobread ROM on my SE Xperia X8 using xRecovery. It prompted me with the message "Installation complete". However, when I rebooted my phone, it keeps on rebooting again and again. Can anyone help?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
did you full wipe?

if yes, try flashing again. if it still goes into bootloops redownload the rom. you're on stock kernel?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
Hi,

I am on stock kernel as of now. I didn't do the full wipe. I will try and do that now. But won't it erase all the settings/texts/contacts from my phone? I have made a back up for all of them through the stock Back Up and Restore app though.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
make a nandroid backup or use titanium backup or a similar app since it will erase those information. do not forget that. let me know if it works.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
The stock app won't work? Will download Titanium Backup and try it?

Also, can you help me out on one more thing? Since I have an Android 2.1, apart from the stock apps and features, I need the wifi-tethering and app2sd feature. For that, will replacing the ROM work? Or do I need to flash the kernel as well?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
i have not tried the stock app for backups.. so i can't give you information on that. just be safe and make a nandroid/titanium backup. :thumbup:

as for your 2nd question, try searching wifi tethering on stock kernel. been a long time since i was on stock and i can't be sure so i don't want to give false information. :o

also, if you want to unlock your bootloader to flash a different kernel, check the date at the back of your phone. if it's BELOW 11w28, i would recommend flashing a custom kernel (read the guides completly before attempting to unlock your bl). if it's 11w29 and up, you're probably stuck on stock kernel..

edit: for your contacts, you may want to make a backup separately just to be sure.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
The date is below 11w28, so I can definitely flash my phone.

Does wifi tethering works on stock kernel and a rooted phone? I don't know, that's why I am asking.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
unlock your bl after reading the guides. you won't be sorry. ;)

as for wifi tethering seems you need an app on stock kernel as per this thread: xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1951476
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
Barnacle Tether! I will try that one.

Also, I rooted my phone to a Custom ROM right now. It worked. :good:

But the problem is now, how do I restore my user apps and data? Any help in that regard?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
if you used titanium backup, you should be able to restore your apps+data. :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
Yes, I used that one. But now since I did a factory reset, Will I have to download the app again and the restore?

Also the market is not opening on my phone for some reason. :(
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
did you download it on playstore? if yes, you need to dl it again. but if your playstore isn't working... hmm.. i'll drop you a pm.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
Is there an app for moving apps from phone to memory card on rooted phones as well?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
once you're on 2.2+, you can do it simply by going to settings>applications and tap on an app and just choose move to sdcard :)

personally though, i prefer link2sd. no idea why. :o
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ivanmadzarov:
x8

I have a question ...

My device is 12w08, before some time i unlocked bootloader and than installed rom but rom but rom didn't worked (soft brick), I repaired it and did same thing again and again becouse second time didn't worked to. When i was unlocking forth time bootloader i got hard brick take it to service and they said that they changed motherboard.

I want custom rom, so is my bootloader unlocked now and if i use this is it gonna brick again ???

SE Tweaker Tool v4.0 [16/2/12] Unlock Bootloader+Kernel Guide X10 minipro|X10 mini X8

THX...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ivanmadzarov:
so is there any way to check if my phone is still unlocked from before.

can i install custom rom and kernel in this situation.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
use s1tool. :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
Hi,

I am thinking of installing the GingerDX ROM on my SE Xperia X8. I am on the stock kernel right now, and used xRecovery to install the previous ROM. Can I install GingerDX using xRecovery the same way? Much thanks. :)

Edit: Also when I open Titanium backup, it su binary outdated. It gave me an option to update it, but when I did that, it downloaded the file but it didn't get get updated for some reason (it said that it isn't working properly). Any help in that regard?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
So I should remove xRecovery from my phone then.. Can you link me to the thread for installing CWM Recovery and using the x8toolbox tool?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
I have downloaded the tool, but I am not able to get how to install CWM..

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Okay, wait.. I have installed CWM 4.0.15 on X8.

But in the GingerDX tutorial, it says I need to "Install the Stock Kernel Modules AddOn or Alfs Kernel AddOn".

I am on stock kernel. Can you help me with that?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vectoryzed:
Can I unlock my bootloader while my X8 has a GingerDX v022 ROM?

Or should I unlock my bootloader only with the stock ROM?

Thank you!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fotak-x:
use stock :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
I am running GingerDX v29 on my stock kernel. But it is kinda slow. Gets stuck many times (like the Titanium backup app doesn't works properly!). I am on stock kernel currently so I thought of upgrading to a modded kernel. I read the kernel flashing guide. I just want to know which will be the most optimum kernel for GingerDX v29, and how shall I go about it? Sorry for bugging you people with so many questions.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vectoryzed:
Ok, thank you,

I'll repair the software by PC Companion. :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unclewan:
x8...is a lagend hahahaha

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how about your camera? have a problem?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolredwine:
No. The camera is absolutely fine.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fotak-x:
Lucas add this please. :) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=34934932
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Adityaraj:
Yes , you can use xRecovery to flash GingerDx ROM without any problem.Just flash the rom zip file using xRecovery.

Using w8 with GingerDX.

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[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riflesnroses:
w8 baseband issue

hi iam a newbie as u quoted

my problem while updating the base band in my w8 using x10 flash tool .exe.......it repeadetly says that pls install or reinstall drivers in drivers folder n shows a error msg............pls help thnx in advance
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
it means that first you will have to install the drivers from the drivers folder located in the default folder of the flasher.

and then do the normal process of upgrading of baseband..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Adityaraj:
Install the drivers located in the drivers folder inside the flashtool folder and then select your device.

If this doesnt work try installing Gordons Gate.It worked for me.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thedemon786:
thnx
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amandeep1:
wi fi not working

Hi,

I have Installed custom Rom on my x8( Gingerdxv29) Everything is good except the wi fi it says error when i turn it on any solutions to fix this..

Kernal- alfs@v08a, Latest baseband and the bootloader is unlocked.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] quangminhs:
very useful

Thank Recognized Contributor :good:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
Okay. Lucas has said he won't be much active now. So this thread is under new management. Please bear with me as I make changes to the OP and the first few posts. If you have any suggestions let me know via PM. And please don't spam. Ask anything related to the X8/W8 and be sure I'll try to help you.

Thanks go out to the original team and of course, Lucas.

sgt. meow
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stamatis:
:good::cool:

Check this part of the thread as most of them are either closed or useless.

This thread is more or less complete but if you want i can help you by giving it a deep look and tell you more suggestions;)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
Re: (READ ME 1ST! UPDATED 28/9/12) Everything X8/W8

what's the date one the back of the phone (not what's on the battery)? but it sounds like a hard brick. only free way to do it is send it to SE to be repaired. if you have warranty, that is. i don't know how much they charge if your warranty's already expired.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stamatis:
Your father is going to kill you:p

Sorry but your phone is hard bricked, which means that you cant repair it by yourself(unless you know about electronics, but i guess you dont), the solution is as mentioned and above to send it to SE for motherboard replacement if you are under warranty. If you are not under warranty the way to repair it by yourself is expensive as you need some tools, so i recommend you to tell what happened to your father and ask him to buy you a new phone;)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
@all

The thread has been updated. Small changes here and there that most of you won't even notice. Lucas had done a wonderful job.

And do remember to take a peek at mat's thread right below this in the General Section.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hp3:
Hi.

I'm using GDX31b , nAa 14 .

Today i'm listening to music and i have call then my phon's anten gone !!!!

I'm reflashing the rom but still i have this.

it's hardware problem.

it can be fix ???
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stamatis:
Check if there is any problem with your provider, with the sim card and try to reflash or change kernel. If nothing helps then its hardware problem.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pryzmat:
one question from a total noob

I want to install ginderdx 031 on my x8, version for stock kernel. But I don't know when I should do full wipe? Before installing ROM, after it, after installing GAPPS? Or maybe before and after? Please, help me ;]
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 8cpaiw:
1.make full wipe

2.make wipe chache parititon

3.wipe battery stats

4.wipe dalvik chache

5.install rom

6.turn on phone

7.after 5 mins reboot in recovery

8.flah gapps

Do you understand?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pryzmat:
thx bro!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] syahrisyadr:
Is it clear to unlock bootloader if the code production of the xperia x8 is 10xxx? Thx.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stamatis:
Yes it is safe, just follow all the instructions;).
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Guro1264:
X8 - CWM "Can't mount \sdcard

Hi, i have a problem. I have rooted my X8,installed xRecovery,then CWM recovery and i wanted to install custom ROM for Stock kernel via CWM and whenever i am trying to install Custom ROM from my SDcard it writes an error..Can you help me pls?:confused:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
Without knowing what error you get we can't really help you.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbmaizol:
I have just unlocked my friends e15i successfully, and then flashed the minicm7. All software working fine, but doesn't connect to the mobile network!

It asks for my SIM password and accepts it, and I can get a list of available network operators, but I always get a 'unable to connect to this network at this time. Try again later'. Can the phone be still simlocked after flashing it? I also tried GingerDX. Same result.

Thanks in advance!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
Can you go back to stock ROM and kernel and see if the problem persists? If it does then you have to get your phone SIM unlocked. This is a common problem. Also check your baseband and if it's not already, update it to XXX015.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbmaizol:
Sony Companion says it's an X10, so I got afraid that it reverts to something wronger...

I better go to the phone shop downtown and have it unlocked. Thanks for the quick reply!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
Just flash the stock firmware FTF in Flash tool. Should be okay then.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbmaizol:
I got it unlocked, now it works like a charm. :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
Glad to have been of help!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imboy25:
Hi, my girlfriend has an SE W8 and she's getting tired of the stock ROM. I am still thinking if W8 and X8 are the same. What I mean is, when it comes to flashing custom ROMS, are X8 custom ROMS also applicable to W8? Sorry for this stupid question and thanks for the help in advance.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
Yes both phones are same in every respect..

sent from my phone using hands and brain...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imboy25:
So everything here for X8 is also applicable for W8? hehe... Also, I can use the SE Tweaker Tool for w8? Will it be fine if i choose Xperia X8 in CWM Recovery Installation from SE Tweaker tool? Thanks again!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
Yes to all your three questions..:beer:

sent from my phone using hands and brain...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imboy25:
hi, need help again about a simple problem. i have downloaded the latest nAa kernel and i am just about to customize my gf's W8. but when i extracted the zip file of the kernel, there is no ftf file. should i just change the .zip to .ftf by renaming it? or what? thanks for the help again...:)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gogeta:
Rename to .ftf & flash;)

Sent from my X8
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imboy25:
Hi again. I have another problem. Hehe, as I have checked my girlfriend's W8, it is labeled as 11w32. As far as i have remembered on what i have read here, there is no guarantee that i can unlock the bootloader. Are there really people who have unlocked their bootloader with 11w29 above? If i use the tweaker to unlock the 11w32 bootloader and does not succeed, will it be hard bricked? If so, what is the best way to unlock it? I don't want that to happen as i have no money for it to be repaired. hehe, any suggestions and advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for the people who are always willing to help. :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
hi there :), first off you have a manufacturing date of 11w32 and i advice you NOT TO UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER as it is very risky, manufacturing dates labeled 11w29 above isn't safe to unlock, if you will force it, well good luck to you but there are only a few members here who happen to unlock their devices, and if you will fail, you will have to go to the nearest repair shop or SE service center just to revive your device.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imboy25:
Thanks sir! I'd rather not take the risk. :)

I have found some roms which support stock kernels. But the thing is, I can't experience JB in W8. Anyways, it's better than stock ROM. :p

Regards...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
your welcome bro :good:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
Thanks to everyone who has helped with the thread. I'll be back soon.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vardaan007:
there is no jb rom for stock kernel!!!!!!!!!

Well I have tried ics for stock kernels they are very slow and you'll keep getting fc and the phone suddenly reboots......

I would advice you to try gb for a smooth and faster experience!!!!!!:angel:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
lololol for the record there is no available ics or jb roms for stock, are you sure about that bro? :confused:

Swyped via Tapatalk 2
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vardaan007:
No actually ics is avialable for stock.......but not jb!!!!!!!!!

You can check ics for stock on this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1473602

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Can the zip files be flashed via flashtool by simply renaming them to .ftf??????:confused:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gogeta:
It's only in case of kernel..

Sometimes it gets downloaded as zip..

Sent from my E15i
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vardaan007:
Okay:highfive:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gogeta:
[MENTION=4394172]sgt. meow[/MENTION]

I suggest you to write (in big font) that X8 and W8 are same phones

Some noobs still ask about this ..

Even I did it earlier :p
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. meow:
[MENTION=4889209]Gogeta[/MENTION]

Suggestion taken into consideration and applied. Thanks. Hopefully now users will have an easier time on XDA.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
Only if they READ..:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rodigoinada:
low internal memory brick (?)

my xperia got a "low internal memory" message , so I ignored it ... after some days my phone turned off and when i try to turn on it goes to the unlock screen and then it turns off imediatly , what should i do ? :(
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gogeta:
Repair bY PC companion
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
easy, you bloated your system, either repair it by PCC, SEUS, or perform a CLEAN flash
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PutraMasyers97:
My phone also... , but it so pain when I open WeChat and surf the web... WeChat are very usefull for me as all of my school friend got it installed on their phone. Without WeChat, Whatsapp, my friend won't chat with me via messagin, they said messagin use credit than WeChat and Whatsapp free. Maybe I need to buy a better phone that this:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
why not drop the other APP? you really don't need to install and use both of them, instead, take your pick, choose only 1 to avoid bloating your system if you want to have a stable use of it
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PutraMasyers97:
Some of them have wechat and the others have whatsapp, and line..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gogeta:
Everyone should be on same platform :rolleyes:

Is it hard?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
just because they have it doesn't mean you have to have it :rolleyes:

because our phone only has 186mb of RAM or something close to that, and a little amount of memory, you should know it yourself
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PutraMasyers97:
I will got my S4 soon. Now I just wait my sister to come home in a few days. I think S4 will be more better than this my E16i phone...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
that's a nice phone and congrats to you
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PutraMasyers97:
:thumbup:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trav77:
After flashing a custom ROM i cant get OTA MMS settings,why?kindly help me out
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groot:
what do you mean by OTA MMS settings?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sepehrmagic:
can i install Xperia SOUL Engine Generation 5 rom on 015 baseband?

i want the one with custom kernel
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
Yes you can install it..

Be sure to flash a custom kernel first..

sent from my phone using hands and brain...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sepehrmagic:
how do i know if my bootloader is unlocked?

i dial *#*#7378423#*#* but nothing happens!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagger:
It comes locked by default.

You have to unlock it..

sent from my phone using hands and brain...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cascabel:
use s1tool if you want to check it.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sepehrmagic:
ok i followed this guide here,when i run msm7227_semc.cmd ,it gives this error

Unable to open router port: Permission denied
Diag_LSM: Diag_LSM_Init: Failed to open handle to diag driver, error = 13 ERR :
MSG Open handle failed, unable to open program 30eeeeee ver 10001 NOT FOUND
:FILE vendor/qcom-proprietary-msm7k/oncrpc/oncrpc/oncrpc_cb.c:LINE 231:ARG1 82
0965102:ARG2 65537:ARG3 0:
ERR :MSG Couldn't setup RPC call :FILE vendor/qcom-proprietary-msm7k/oncrpc/on
crpc/oncrpc_cb.c:LINE 276:ARG1 0:ARG2 0:ARG3 0:
Error: Failed to lookup client for 0x30EEEEEE 0x00010001
FATAL :MSG Failed to lookup RPC client. prog = 820965102, vers = 65537, tout =
0 :FILE vendor/semc/system/core/miscta/libmiscta/rpc_service.c:LINE 65:ARG1 820
965102:ARG2 65537:ARG3 0:
reboot: Operation not permitted
Waiting ...
Getting ROOT rights.
Waiting ...
Writing patched semcboot. Two step process
First, we need get access to semcboot area
281 KB/s (8064 bytes in 0.028s)
insmod: init_module '/data/local/tmp/mapper_2.6.29.ko' failed (Operation not per
mitted)
Second, we need to write semcboot ;)
1460 KB/s (596916 bytes in 0.399s)
can't find userdate partition
Press any key to continue . . .

any idea why?

also the phone is E15i and SEMC SIMLOCK CERTIFICATE
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Parsoa91:
I'm trying to change some application icons but apk edit doesnt work for most of them.i extract the apk of my installed apps and throw them at apk edit but it crashes almost always. Now i am trying to change them from the system files.is it possible?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] nizzle1:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1552409

This is beautiful :) and full credits go to the developer who made this. But I wondered if anyone could port this to Galaxy S ICS Nightly, I would really appreciate it :).
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] afcrib:
This is even better from same dev ;)

Hope someone or even him can do it here :cool:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1589928
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kromosto:
I want to control my pc with an app on my android device over usb. Is this possible.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alfaallan:
well i know, that are mane ways to do this using wi-fi or bluetooth like the app pc remote, but usb, i don't think it's acctualy usefull.