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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Sounds like someone is paranoid ;)

*just use a pure aosp rom, don't flash gapps.

better don't use ANY electronic devices, apply for credit cards, certificates, college, jobs, ssn, benefits, loans, housing, etc. Become a troll and live in fear of everyone.....

if your worried about google and other services tracking you.....you need to go into hiding......

but then you would need money, fake birth cert & passport, friends in very low places, give up your life and everything about......

fake your own death, like telling friends you can't swim and then publicly jump from a bridge. If folks saw you even if no body was found a death cert would be drawn up. Then you would have a better start when going into hiding as no one would be looking for you....but then this post would be found on your pc and cause suspicion into your death or disappearance.......there will always be s paper trail when your life is/has been torn apart.

this is the age of information, I can find anything & everything out about a person.....if you have something to hide or just paranoid, maybe you should not be on the internet.....

Resistance is futile :)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] strumcat:
You're absolutely right. That's why I feel certain you won't hesitate to illustrate your point by leaving your real name, home address, telephone number, IP address, credit card number, and social security number right here in a public message for all to see.

This wise, heroic act will surely lead all of the troubled paranoids out of their worried darkness into the light of reason, and thereby perform a great service for all mankind. I'm already standing in line to applaud it, and I know you won't fail to stand by your words.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
How does that reflect my statements? I am not the one who is paranoid.......all my info is in cyberspace already and I do mean ALL OF IT!.....so therefore I do not need to hide it from Google or the government if you wish it to go that far. But the key word in that was Google.....not xda or the WWW.

But If you have the tools & the know how, you can locate my info for yourself just like the folks who you seem to be scared of can as well.

If I was paranoid I would disappear.......poof gone.....but im not......

Posting my personal information does not prove anything but stupidity and sheer ignorance. How would that prove your case?

There is a difference between acting reckless by posting my info as you would wish and actually having Google have access to my info.........I think I would rather take my chances with Google.......unlike you, I have nothing to hide from them......

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

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But in all seriousness......just use pure aosp without Google apps (gapps) and no more google services, problem solved.

Have a great day :)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
Hmm, it seems like you are misunderstanding me. I never said, that Google has no ToS, and that I didn't read it. But two major concerns still exists. First of all and maybe the least likely: What if they ever decide to change that for the worse (which has happened on small scale). Like what if 50 years from now the Chinese government or anyone else I don't trust, decide to purchase Google, and they don't feel the need to honour that ToS?

The other major concern, which I consider far more likely, is: What if some random employee at some point in life does not care about the ToS? He might be mad at me for something I did, or he might be mad at Google (interchangeable with any big corporations that mines data), because he didn't get the raise, he felt that he deserved or something. That happens all the time. Which havoc can he raise, if he start selling data to the Russian mafia or maybe even to my own government, which can act a lot like the KGB, when they are trying to catch tax evaders (not that I am one though).

If we stay in the example with the cars on the road, what you are saying sounds to me like: "Hey, there are other cars out there, and no madder what you do, they can crash into you, so you might as well drive around the freeway with your eyes closed, no hands on the steering wheel and no seat belt."

And that's just about my point. See you don't do that in life. Life is dangerous, so you take precautions. You can't eliminate any danger, that would require you to stay in bed or something. So you constantly weigh out you options. Which advantages and threats does a certain action pose to me. If the threat outweighs the advantage, you don't do it. If you can limit the threats, for instance by wearing a seatbelt, you do that of course. At least I do, I don't just wear my seat belt, because it is the law. I wear it because it provides me with some protection. It is not perfect, but it is better than nothing. Limit the threat while maintaining the advantages..

I just might add, that I fully admit to being paranoid. I don't trust politicians, and I don't trust for a second, that no one will ever put their own possibility for financial growth above the need to protect me and my privacy. And I don't think that is crazy, quite the contrary..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
you And only you can control the flow of your own info. You have the right to be paranoid if you feel you have allowed too much of your info to become public. As I said nothing is private anymore......your info is public records...even you'd SSN and DOB if you know where to look....nothing is private....Google and agencies alike are the least of the worries. But again.....if you have safe guards in place and have nothing to hide......then you have nothing to worry about.

I trust the gov about as much as I need a bullet in my head but then again, I worked for the gov so they know everything about me.....so I have nothing to hide even for Google. But from the public?......trust me everyone's info is out there.....

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
Paranoid is just a term thrown around to reposition those who ask too many questions as delusional and dismiss their concerns.

It's healthy to question the motives and actions of large companies and so forth. Unfortunately not nearly enough do it.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You don't question the actions of a large corporations and then continue to use their products,

That's called hypocrisy, not paranoia or questioning.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
Why not? People do that all the time.. Frankly I don't trust ANY large corporation at all. How can you blindly put your trust a corporation with thousands of employees? So from your logic, I can't use any product from any large corporation at all?

I think some people in this discussion are constantly and deliberately ignoring the fact, that even though Google as an organisation might be trustable, that doesn't mean that every single employee is a trustable person, and that no employee with a relatively high level of clearance will forever be loyal to the Google ToS and to the organisation.

I know it is common in USA to prefer two choices and nothing more, but here in Europe, we often like to take the golden middle road. What's wrong with: Use the product with caution?

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I have a lot to hide, and I know how to hide it :) I know what to put in cyberspace, and I know what not to put there. And I know how to limit the possibility for anyone to keep track of my activity. Not eliminate the possibility completely, but limit it. If somebody wants my info, they will have to work for it.

It there is a burglar on your road, he will probably break into the house with the weakest lock and the least amount of security. That won't be my house :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
People do what all the time? Participate in hypocrisy? Yeah I suppose they do.

That said, if I questioned Google's motives, I'd grow some balls and use a different device. Not try to work around it because lets face it, if you don't trust them, then how can you trust their OS??

That is what makes this whole argument silly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
It seems to me like you are not listening to arguments at all. Of course I meant people use products even though they don't trust the producers. Let me ask you this: Do you blindly trust the producer of every single product you have ever used? No offence but that sounds extremely foolish to me.

BP just showed us, that they are not to be trusted, so what do we do now? Stop using gasoline? Please be serious if you want to participate in the discussion.

Like I already said, I can't live my life in this day and age and only use products from the corporations I trust (basically none). That would require me to go and live under a rock, and I am not about to do that. So I use the products, I need, with caution. I you think that makes me silly, that is fine by me.

Are you unable understand the fact, that even though that Google as an organisation might never have a motive I'm not comfortable with, that doesn't not prevent, that at an individual or a group of employees might have different conflicting motives at some point in time.

Android is open souce, Google is not just like Chromium is open source, Chrome is not, so guess which browser I use (besides FF).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No, because if I don't trust them, I don't use them, at all. To me, caution is not using what you don't trust.

Finding workarounds and still using Google's OS while not trusting them is foolhardy at best.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
The list of people you trust must be huge then and you can't know many of them personally, unless you are Amish.. Millions of people are behind those corporations that make your products, and yet you have trust in every single one of them individually or as a group.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.. I think I have made my point clear, and if you don't want to listen to the arguments, then I won't try to force you. Have a nice day :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sam Sung:
"...having ears, but never hearing, having eyes, but never seeing..."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Clever response to my statement. I think my eyes and ears are far more open than yours covered by tin foil.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] thegtfusion:
Op, why on earth would you want that?

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
Just so the op knows your cell provider collects data on you too, but they give you a bill to pay
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
i just bent over one day and started wearing hi my name is bob nametag. :cyclops:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
Come on, are you even serious?

If the arguments were so silly, why do you keep repeating the only argument, you do have, which was found to be inadequate a long time ago, and why do you keep on ignoring the rest? Troll harder please...

Ps. Android != Google...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Um, if you think Android !=Google, you are naive.

Your carrier collects data on you. What now???

Troll harder please? This is what people say when you don't accept their opinion. Deal with it. Yours won't change, and mine won't either. Take your own words and agree to disagree.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
I know my carrier collects data. I take precautions for that as well. We have already been through this, but I still don't see why that would be a reason to simply stop caring.

No I'm sorry, but I was actually beginning to suspect you where trolling, because you seemed to ignore a lot of the arguments, that where previously put forward.

I do respect your opinion. Have a nice day! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gagdude:
Actually no, someone doesnt
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
What's your pre caution for the data your cell phone company get off you like location and web history?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Vangelis13:
I cannot find a way in which my personal:________ (add freely; security, freedom, safety, blablabla) has changed to the worse since I started using Android a couple of years ago.

Somebody at Google:

- Can access my mom's & about 400 other people's phone numbers & email addresses.

- See that I'm doing a stock take on Friday at 12. Or that I have to pay the rent on the 1st every month.

- I have an account at xda.

- I do play the occasional angry birds round.

So fckng what? Ow, they might sell that information to the government. Aha, and?

No, if you are a drug or weapons dealer you probably shouldn't back up your client list to Google Drive..

For everything else, use common sense. You're clever enough to be here & have basically torn a portable computer apart & installed a different than the intended software on it; it's all downhill from that on.. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
OK valid points have been made by all parties.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Vangelis13:
This is a thread in General on a topic that more than invites & generates discussion; no one declared you the admin. For as long as nobody is being offensive to someone else, discussion is open.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Hey pal, take a joke......know one declared you an admin either. We are just tossing the same facts and opinions around at this point. They have just been re-worded throughout this whole thread many different times. The views have beaten the horse dead as nothing new is being said.......and/or provided......yes it invites and causes discussion but no one is going to read all the posts until now.....they will just jump in with more lists that have been discussed.....in previous posts.

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I see someone edited (cleaned up) my post, lol

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] papagoejoe:
Simple: I keep my file as small as possible. Actually I mostly keep the data connection and the GPS switched off. I prefer to use an encrypted wifi connection where ever it is available, which is a lot of places where I live. I wrote a little bit about that here. In the bottom of that post, I have linked to post by another user about call encryption, which I haven't tried out yet, but I definitely will.

And I rarely ever use the GPS. This way my carrier knows which area I've been to, but not the exact coordinates which kinda freaks me out. I mean, if I really need navigation from one town to another, I will switch it on and use it - I'm not that paranoid :) But I try to do that as little as possible (I live in the capital and I don't drive a car), so my carrier will of course be able to log some of my activity, but they will not have complete knowledge of my whereabouts, browsing habits and so on, like they do on others.

I also try to find the lesser of evils, when I select my carrier. In my country carriers are legally required to log your calls and texts for two years, but they don't handle the data the same way. Some carriers happily grant access upon request to anyone whit a tiny bit of authority, while others simply wont hand out any information without a legal warrant, so I go with the latter option. If they change policies, I change carrier.

If you want to go completely James Bond, just get a prepaid option and sim card, you can use when you need to disappear :cool::angel:

And my rule of thumb is this: I might be required to hand out some information to use a service. Like it is hard (not impossible) to do an online purchase without giving away your name, address and credit card information. But that does not mean, that I will happily give out the same information to anyone else, who might be interested.

So I am perfectly aware, that even though I take precautions, my carrier will still have a lot of information on me. But why on earth would that make me stop caring about anyone else obtaining the same information? The "Somebody knows something so you might as well put it all in public domain"-logic really doesn't make sense to me..

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Actually I sort of agree with you. We haven't seen OP in ages, and his intentions were to make a thread where people who do care about this sort of stuff, can exchange experience and techniques.

The question of whether or not you should care actually belongs in another thread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adamdx:
Only terrorists should fear Google.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fooman123:
I love Google - great services with super tight ingratiation with Android, is the reason Android is doing so well. The took a page right out of Apple's and MS's play-books. There business model for Android is to make money from service integration. - Some don't like it, fine.. don't use google's services - no one is forcing you. Good luck trying the same with IOS and Apple, but android without Google is doable.. Its not nearly as useful.

To each there own, personally I think that those nebulous fears of things they barely understand, should just step back and not use the technology until they can get handle on own fear..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MatAuc12:
This right here. Why the hell use effort and energy just to prove a point with no benefit? It's like proving to someone a fish can live outside of water. Oh and now we want everything free with no monetization from the provider. Do free labour your whole life if you think that's how its done. And now, finally, you can tell Google you want none of your data to be used. Yes yes, they even offer you that. So all your shananigan here can be fixed by unchecked box.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bird11:
Companies can claim one thing in their TOS and do the exact opposite. You wouldn't know.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
I'm going to question every company. So either I can never use anything ever, or arrive in this situation.

And believe you me, I would love for there to be alternatives I was satisfied with for everything Google offers.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bird11:
The worst case scenerio is that data is sold to companies who conduct background checks on people. Lets say you get sick and are ill for 12+ months. You go on long term disability but your current employer has no option but to let you go.

You take a year off and get better. You are ready to get back to work. You apply for a job. You interview and are offered the job. The condition of employment is that you bass a background check and drug test to the employers satisfaction. Upon getting the bacground check the employee see's you frequent 4chan. You browser the internet while on company time (your last job) for non work related topics. They know what type of porn you like, hopefully it's not something the HR person finds offensive (Maybe she is a deep hearted racist and you have a taste for African American women). How vibrant is your language online? Ever troll anybody? How many times have you lied? When you were sick, you likely did some research reguarding your illness. Well it's usually cheaper for companies to not take on sick people so they know about that now too. Ever talk about politics or religion? Why does he care so much about cell phones? Is he a hacker or something (Oh My!!!). Have a lot of debt and ask for financial advice? Companies hate hiring people who have a lot of debt. Are you connected to known criminals from your contacts? If so how good of a connection is it? Is he a criminal too?

Everything above is something that could hinder your employment if that information became public. The issue is that there is no need for there to be a good claim on the validity of the claim. When the background report says it the employer takes that as an authoritative source. Now while everything here is something most humans could get caught up on, even the HR person themselves, bias is not always as fair as we hope. People do have biases and there's nothing we can do about it. Bias against potential risk is very common no matter how relevant.

The coming age is either enslavment from our past actions or community acceptance of human nature. Given how we view gays, atheiests and casual drug users. I am betting society is heading in the direction of holding peoples past actions against them when the info is released.

Those who care about their privacy already know this. Those who say it's no big issue may say that but they really just don't understand the consequences of it. You should always want to limit the information people have about you, even if you think you have nothing to hide. But you do have stuff to hide. Because if it was your company and an ex felon came in for a job interview you like most others would have a bias against them. In the fiture the bias will just become more specific.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Vangelis13:
^^

This is gonna sound very blunt, but, are you afraid of & prepare for a zombie apocalypse as well..? :p

What you describe sounds very theoretical & US bound; pretty much all of it is illegal in Europe. Companies go to information bounty hunters & request background checks & profiling of individuals. Whaaaat..?!?!

I was part of the hiring process at my previous job (big computer manufacturer); none of all that. I now hire people for the bar I manage; none of all that. I know people that work in the hr department of some huge companies; nothing.

It doesn't really work like that.

Now, a politician or the next ceo of apple, should they be careful with their what- & whereabouts on the world wild web? Most definitely. You & me? Common sense suffices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
iPhone seems to be an alternative and its Google free.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itasoulas:
my suggestion to the ones that have that fear of someone else knowing everything about your private life... DON'T BUY A SMARTPHONE! Buy the simplest non-smart phone and there you go. But if you bought one STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT PRIVACY CAUSE THERE IS NONE.

also keep in mind that nobody gives a f**k about your private life unless you got something really important to hide. The only thing that I agree is that the system slowly throws us too may little carrots now and then... a credit card, a debit card, a smartphone... all this things that create an addiction or "intrudes" our private life. So for example we waste too much time with a phone but we should be doing more creative things, or help others or you know... just try to detach from the MATRIX. As the years go by, it makes it more difficult to detach from all these. And I 100% believe that a time soon will come when we will have to choose if we want to be slaves or walk away from all this and become "fugitives".

All this cutting-edge technology enslave us little by little. How many of you for example have the convenience of paying a bunch of bills through web banking? It all comes down to APOCALYPSE, that there will be a day that we have to choose to go with the system or choose to not take the marking and live like outlaws.

By the way in America from the start of 2013, all citizens must be chipped in order to have medical care and work. That is now a law. Does that ring a bell of what the future holds? HE IS COMING!!!

BOTTOM LINE: nobody gives a F**K about your private life, but "someone" is really have an interest for your soul!