yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] aimbdd:
Oh really? Tell that to my 50 Kb /s download speed... and 1.5 mb 4g speeds. And that's Max...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] reddragon72:
Yea, this is BS since a simple website is made up of files. Shoot there isn't anything that isn't a file on a computer regardless of what system/OS you are using.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] atomb:
Or an attachment to an email, or in app purchases, or music downloads. I call BS too.

So from the passage posted it seems to apply to unattended activity. Torrents should be fine it they are small and you are monitoring it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SAShady:
So you can't continuously download files unattended? So torrent downloading is not breaking the rules.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] KCRic:
No, it says downloading any file. Period.

I'm seriously concerned for the future of this planet....

You seriously sit there and watch to bar fill while downloading a 400MB torrent file? I thought so. That my friend is called 'unattended downloading'.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hijewpositive:
that doesn't make any sense, why are we paying for faster internet service if we can't use it to download files? What's the difference if I'm streaming a movie or downloading a file? Data transfer is data transfer. They should stop boasting that they offer such fast speeds then if they won't allow us to use it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ryanmv213:
"Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming."

This line seems to say you can download files.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
Non continuous download of files rules out torrents and they can pretty much interpret that as any file over 100Mb they have their a$$ covered if you don't want to go to VZW or t mobile I would say use your home internet it's only like 20 bucks for 10mb DSL and being charged a lot more for not unlimited on VZW att etc is so much better huh
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ryanmv213:
Interesting... this fixed my problem as well but it was FB15 that fixed it and not FC15. Thanks
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Docarut:
You are so right. People need to look at big picture and stop trying to "beat the system".
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TheHighlightGuy:
Why can't you get internet service at home and torrent from there?? That's what I do, and I never torrent off my phone, 3G or WiMax. People like you are the reason why the network gets so congested and we have to be afraid of losing unlimited data in the future, b/c Sprint can't keep up with all the assholes torrenting "40 gigs" per month.

Like Mattix724 said, I hope your service gets shut off.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
Really, I don't have a problem with people who want to torrent... I don't like the idea of their 40GB/month usage eventually leading to limited data for everybody, but if they want to take that chance of getting dropped by Sprint, more power to 'em.

What I'm always amused by are the mental gymnastics people perform to make an obvious violation of the TOS seem like a perfectly reasonable thing that couldn't possibly be considered a violation.

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Out of curiosity, what "legal" torrents do you download?

I don't mean to be argumentative... but other than a handful of indie music sites with very limited catalogs, I don't know what else one would be torrenting.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
He is downloading mint Linux over and over.... Or yea your right what legal torrents are there ....really come on don't think we are that stupid...mix tapes never use copyright material....neveR
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hijewpositive:
Guys, think about this logically. We do not need 4G just to browse the web and and sync emails. 3G does that fast enough. I'm in NYC (think about the congestion) and my 3g speeds are 250kB/s. Are you telling me that that's too slow for browsing? Of course not. Clearly, downloading at 1mB/s on wimax is used for bigger things like streaming and downloading files. So don't knock on people for actually using their services to their full potential. Only because you can't think of anything better to do (or don't have a life so are always home by your wifi), doesn't mean others can't use the services they pay for the way they want. They shouldn't be trolled by you fools for complaining about congestion issues when you clearly don't use it for its purpose anyway.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
No it's you and OP complaining about using a service and violating the terms of service it's pretty simple if sprint wants to they can deny U service and could charge a etf because U willfully broke the tos ...they usually wont but could if they wanted
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Wow.... XDA at it's finest.

Anyone that reads the TOS knows that torrenting is a violation of it.

Sprint really needs to start cracking down on people that break the rules.

The unlimited data isn't so you can use it as your main ISP.

It's to allow you to use your phone properly without ever having to worry about going over limits.

People not being responsible for their actions and mindful of others' is what's wrong with our society.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] aimbdd:
Really? You enjoy waiting 10 seconds for ever page to load on 3g? 250 is not fast enough... at all. Except for Googling things.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fadimo305:
I used 45gigs this month . What's the problem ??? Sprint offers unlimited data PERIOD other networks could not do this because they cannot handle the traffic . Sprint can so why don't you people stop complaining . 40+ gigs to sprint is nothing NOW 1tb is something sprint should really take into consideration.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
There is no problem with using 45 GB but if your breaking the tos and downloading torrents and using it to tether your x box yes there is a problem how come idiots want to steal and justify it.... If you break the tos by tethering it's stealing they sell that service etc. you try to make it look good in your eyes if they crack down on people doing it you will be happy on cricket or some other ****ty junk like boost.. .no 4g for you...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Good to finally hear.

Now, will they crack down on people that are forcing roaming through Verizon PRLs and make them actually pay instead of giving them a free, easy release from the contact ETF free and driving up costs for customers that actually are adult enough to follow the agreements they sign?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
We won't need to force it on to VZW because the network will be fixed and work unlike 3g now
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crypt0kiddie:
I wish they would send me one!

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10 year Sprint customer here. Sprint has gone to hell. My Instinct, Palm Pre etc, actually worked. Went to hell about the time I got my EVO. Progressively it's gotten worse. My speed test average 15~30+ kbps. Most things don't even load.

Before you say its my phone, most of the guys in my office have Sprint Android or iPhones and they have the SAME results. We also have 5 people with AT&T iPhones and OMG the 3G is night and day. One of the guys with the Samsung Skyrocket just got 3mbit on 3G today speed testing. I got 27kbps.

4G works good for me though. Oh wait we only have that smack dab in the middle of downtown which i might go down there once a month.

Why should I have to pay a ETF to leave Sprint if there service has gone to hell?

I'm currently roaming to Verizon with the 11115 PRL, I get 800~1200kbps. I haven't gone back to Sprint in a while now.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crypt0kiddie:
You made me laugh! :)

Actually, it's not broken. It's working EXACTLY like Sprint wants it to. Why do you think they can have "Unlimited Data"? Don't have to worry about the unlimited data if its so freaking slow you can barely use it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingdazy:
Jesus.

Every month this thread happens.

And, somehow, i'm still surprised people feed the fire, bother arguing this subject.

Sent from my calculator watch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
kDoggy,

You do not have to cheat your way out of the contract to get out of the contract.

If they are violating the contract by not providing usable service then they owe you an ETF free release.

Its time to be big boys, guys.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tensux:
You can't judge your download speed from a torrent. Learn how to use the newsgroups. the speed that you can download from the newsgroups is the best estimation of what your true download speed is. you could be on your PC with a 50mb line and get crap from torrents. the issue is where you are dowloading from, not your phone's or ip's speed. You will almost never Max out on a torrent, you always will on the newsgroups. its pretty easy to change port numbers using torrents if they really were throttleling torrents, but they are not
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fadimo305:
But yet I do not tether to my Xbox nor am I constantly downloading torrents. I reach 50 gigs mostly because of downloading large files and Licensed products.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fadimo305:
Its funny how people are against tehthering with 4G and downloading when MOST of the people on xda or root users tether. If tethering was illegal and it breaks TOS then everybody who uses WT or Cyanogen tether would be kicked out.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
And you base that ridiculously baseless assumption on what?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fadimo305:
Its more of an example/sarcasm :) I will take advantage of the $300 service I pay for and use it how I want but of course I will not overdo it .
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hijewpositive:
I wonder, what do all of you high-data-user-bashers actually use your 4g for?

And as for the guy who said 250kB/s isn't fast enough for web browsing, do you know the difference between KB/s and kb/s? 250 KB/s is plentyyyy for web browsing and I have never had to wait 10seconds for a page to load. Ever wondered if maybe you're just in a poor service area? And don't come back with a noob response like "but I have a lot of bars"... signal strength doesn't mean **** without good signal quality.

I am in a highly congested area with many users and my service runs at amazing speeds at all times of the day... so I challenge your arguments about high data users congesting the network. Its definitely capable.

So back to my first question, what are you guys using it for that you're trying to protect as much of potential speed as possible? I'm dying to know.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Video streaming, streaming music, video calls, downloading of apps/updates, video conferencing, REASONABLE tethering for a tablet, NORMAL phone data usage.

Those would be my guidelines of acceptable usage.

Torrenting, downloading of large files, downloading of the latest nightly every night, tethering 5 devices for the hell of it, using the connection as your ISP.

Those would be the guidelines for unacceptable usage.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tensux:
with tethering i can bypass the firewall and big brother at work, i use tethering to download porn, lots of porn, you should see the calluses on my right hand
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wp7chris:
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL FORCE SPRINT TO ENFORCE DATA CAPS LIKE THE REST OF THE CARRIERS
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeffyv2:
You guys need to stop downloading porn and just stream it...much less mess lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Docarut:
Use your left hand more....better yet use your imagination to fantasize a sexual encounter and no need to download mass quantities of porn.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fadimo305:
Are you dumb ??? Was it AT&T or T-Mobile who stated that these High Data users were not at fault for the caps and that it did not matter. ONE man will not cause a Rich Billion dollar company to cap its data making it loose half its customers.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hijewpositive:
one more thing... its dumb how all of you complain that if we use too much data then sprint will get rid of the unlimited data plan... you already have it, and will be grandfathered in. Everyone here needs to relax and let people do their own thing. If they don't mind taking the risk of sprint terminating their service, then let them do that. All of your whining and complaining is gonna win them over to your side. So just chill the hell out cause a lot of you are getting really annoying.... and completely off topic of the OP's post.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Its NOT "one man" that's the problem.

Its him, its you, its this guy and that guy.

Hell the amount of unique threads and unique posts on the subject on just XDA easily total a thousand.

It's not one person. Stop kidding yourself.

Sprint has never been one for grandfathering plans.

And that is realty absurd anyway.

So because I'M protected with "grandfathering", I shouldn't care what others' do and how others are affected?

:rolleyes:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
The OP is specifically about torrenting, though. Streaming Netflix or Pandora is not the same thing, in my mind OR the TOS.

"They shouldn't be trolled by you fools for complaining about congestion issues when you clearly don't use it for its purpose anyway."

Torrenting CD's and the latest warez is definitely NOT its intended use.

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You are thinking 250 kiloBITS. The previous poster said 250 kiloBYTES. That's 2.5 Mb, which is fast enough for streaming Netflix and HQ Youtube videos.

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Did you use that streaming Netflix, Pandora, and checkign movie and showtimes via Flixtster? If so, great! You used an obnoxious amount of data without violating the TOS.

Of course, and no offense intended directly at you, *I* personally cannot fathom spending so much time watching videos on a 4" screen.

Now, if you used 45 gigs by torrenting, or playing COD4 on XBox Live, then you are clearly not using your phone for its intended purpose, and should deserve to be ridiculed.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
It's funny u want to justify to us how you break the tos ... Ha ha you sound just like a iPhone sheep ...my iPhone is better because it just is.. I tell you what don't go away mad ... Just go away
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hijewpositive:
You are a fool that doesn't know what he is talking about. I am currently on a plan that I was grandfathered into. The plan I'm on hasn't been around since like 05 or 06, so please chill out.

And yes, that is exactly why you shouldn't care what others do.... its their business. I really don't feel like repeating myself, if you have trouble understanding my posts, try reading slower. Sound them out if you have to.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
If Sprints network speeds are usable with "standard" PRL's, I would have no problem with them enforcing something like this.

Right now, I only use Roam Control when my network speeds are utterly unusable (takes 60 seconds to simply check in on FourSquare, for example), or I have 0 cellular reception... I'm probably *intentionally* misusing my PRL for a grand total of an hour or two a month.

*IF* I was unable to use a different PRL (and I'm talking a normal Sprint PRL, like 11115 vs 60685, not a hacked one) to get reception in areas Sprint has none, but refuses to send my phone to roaming because there's the barest hint of a carrier signal, I'd have to seriously look at moving to another carrier.

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You know, if I could even get a *reliable* 50KB (kiloBYTES) I would be completely satisfied with that. I don't need 2Mb. Its nice, sure, but for Netflix and Pandora, 50kB is more than enough.

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Technically, you are correct. Any tethering without paying for the tethering plan is a violation of the TOS.

However, in terms of damage to Sprint's network, I think there is a HUGE difference between people who tether 24/7 to their XBox use use GB of data and people who tether twice a month to get some work done on their laptop while they are out of town and you 20MB.

I also think its acceptable and doesn't harm society to drive 5 MPH about the speed limit, but its incredibly dangerous to drive 50 MPH above the limit.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Allowing you to be on an old plan isn't the grandfathering I'm referring to.

With every major change that Sprint has made, it has been subject to change for all plans.

Except the $10 premium data fee.

And yes, I do care what others' do because others actions affect me

I don't know why that's so hard to understand
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
ONE man won't, no... But 1,000 men can have a serious impact, especially on a local level.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Pheno.menon:
Did you really expect anything else, downloading so many torrents over Sprint's already overloaded network?

Idiot.

Transmission sent from a Galaxy S II, CODENAME style.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
They will do what they should have in the first place get home DSL 10mb down is 19.95 & the cheap a$$ people will fraudulently clone the esn to get this phone on boost or virgin and bam there you go break more laws and tos
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wp7chris:
Of course its not one man you dumb mother, this kind of behavior is mirrored by many others who just aren't commenting it will add up. You piece of....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wp7chris:
Shut your dumb face you will ruin it for others
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
:rolleyes: this thread should be closed now nothing but ignorance everywhere. I've seen little to no intelligence in any post on here OP is a moron and all the replies are almost as bad. I'm not even gonna get into any specifics because if you assume I'm talking about you than you already know your post was ignorant and based on your own conjecture and not any real facts. Where's jay at? Oh yea probably busy cleaning up more troll poop around here. Poor guy
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Is it really necessary to insult each other when having a discussion on here?

(The answer of course is no its not)

And to the post above me, do you think your post was really in any way "above" any other post in this thread?

Completely unnecessary.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fadimo305:
No I used it downloading large files which I payed for not torrents The Max data I average a month is 20gigs last month was the exception . And this 4 inch screen is using Sony Bravia engine on dynamic and with 1080p video :) Trust me the image is super sharp and clear.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TheTruthIsOutThere:
I don't get it it looks to me like the occasional torrent is perfectly acceptable. One 60-100 MB album would only take a little more than a minute and i always watch my downloads because i am a little ocd and a little paranoid that my connection will drop. So it is non continuous, attended and only generating 100ish MB of data which is well within the range below excessive. However it is STILL THROTTLED even though it is in compliance with the sprint's tos.

I have not rooted my phone I have not rom'd my phone (might think about it once ics is official) and I have never gone over 5 GB of data in a single month yet I still have sprint throttling my service.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
It does not say how sprint qualifies what is against Tos ...like what file but I would have to guess they would say any torrent no Matter of size..even files from said file sharing web sites like file sonic etc

No if you read the Tos it's not in there.... It says no downloading of files .... I can almost bet you that they are throttling anything involving torrents...why ? Because they can you signed the tos when you signed the contact ... What is kind of bad is most ISP have the same kind of clauses in their Tos but just worded a little different.....like Cox says you can't download files that are copy protected etc ....and let you download the wrong torrent and you will receive a letter from Cox telling you to stop out your service will be disconnected....how is this any different ....come on guys a little common sense
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Docarut:
Ok Professor, so now you will be our teacher? I think not...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] superbeast0:
Please read the tos as a whole, don't pick and choose phrases from it. Most torrents hold intellectual property, or copyrighted material, therefore the distribution by means other than the owner allows is UNLAWFUL. Geesh, I should have been a lawyer cause it seems I would have a field day with some of the "dumber" sprint users.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tt281gt:
I am having no such issues :confused:

Currently DL'ing at around 400KB/s :p

Maybe the seeders are capping their upload speeds?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] KCRic:
This is getting ridiculous. Are we a bunch of 12 year olds (I know there are some actually that age here) that can't read an understand things. We can't admit fault.. ever?

It says no downloading of files UNATTENDED. When was the last time you downloaded a torrent - a real torrent that uses notable data (not 3MB) and sat there watching it the entire time. You didn't just return to the home screen or another app while waiting. Do I really need to quote the definition of UNATTENDED? I really hope not.

I agree that it's none of my business what others are doing. But most of you making that statement are fine with the government prying into you internet usage - hypocrites. Furthermore, if what you're doing has no bearing on me, my rights, freedoms, happiness, pleasure, or things I've paid for - then continue with it. The moment you're idiotic 80GB's a month starts effecting the functionality of what I've paid money for - I do care what you're doing. You could argue that you're not effecting my downstream speeds but you are. If I go to download a small file (legitimate) and can only max at 50Kbps because of your selfishness - you're effecting me.

Tell me now that I shouldn't care about your insane lack of a life.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Slightly OT

...but while Sprint may not want to advocate P2P, has anyone taken a look at the P2P project?

http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/p2p/overview

When I was investigating my 802.1x problems on ICS I ran across this in the wpa_supplicant.

Dump of my ICS wpa_supplicant here
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TheTruthIsOutThere:
You only get letters from terrestrial isp's when they see what you are torrenting and know it is illegal. Not just for any downloading.

I downloaded flipboard apk from the gs3. It is a direct download hosted by xda and it was throttled. How do you justify that?

Normal isp's most certainly do not have a comparison to the mobile carriers. Terrestrial isp's are currently in a net neutrality fight and when any hint of throttling is leaked the internet goes up in arms.

The mobile carriers however have gotten a free pass on net neutrality.

Please tell me you think the phrase "Most torrents hold I.P." would hold up anywhere.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jbuggydroid:
Well I hope sprint does do something about those abusing the data. I do download torrents of TV shows I missed but I've never gone over 5GB a month. In fact I hardly reach 2GB a month. Tethering an xbox, ps3, or constantly downloading torrents is wrong. That is clear in the ToS. Get home internet. More reliable for gaming anyway.

I can understand or justify downloading a show you missed using torrents but whole movies or series I can't. That does come down to stealing. Bottom line buy crap or stream it. People can't get mad if you stream a video but they can see what you download. And that is the issue. It is fine if you stream it through a website that is hosting the show but once you download it that is when they raise eyebrows.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] KCRic:
I'm sure Megaupload's lawyers would like to have a word with you...