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[Desire General] gab_hamelin:
I change the question?

What is the difference between this 2 ROMs? What is stable in one, not on the others? Which ROM do you prefer?

Also, feel free to suggest other ROM based on Android 4
[Desire General] erklat:
YATARR? This is what it is all about?

Apart from this information being crucial for every man on this forum, I'm definitely sure you're not going to win the race in bringing less than completely brainless ICS thread to Desire.

Stopwatch is out.

The subject is simple. What do you think who will be the first to start a :

or

kind of debate?
[Desire General] Lothaen:
as far as I am aware they are probably more than willing to share bits from each to get stuff working so it'll probably happen at the same time :p
[Desire General] Kyoraki:
This. There is no race, because the Devs always help each other out rather than compete.

The real question is whether or not they will be stable before CM9 eventually clambers out of the gates. And that's only if the CM9 team isn't sharing hacks with XDA devs anyway.

Oh, and erklat? You forgot one.
[Desire General] Pete_79:
Im using Sandvolds ICS and i find it fairly stable, using it daily in my work. Havent tried BCM tho.
[Desire General] Presterin:
I have only used Sandvold for some time now, and it's very stable and fast atleast for me.
[Desire General] zealot0630:
Sandvold is hell, and BCM is "What's the hell"

Sandvold issues:

App Freeze, Lag

Mobile data randomly don't connect

BCM:

Can't boot (managed to boot after delete /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/ by adb)

No lock screen

No app switcher
[Desire General] muellersmattes:
I think we have a winner on this.

Apart from this, it's the usual: Flash both and see for yourself.

And, the answer: The difference is: BCM is CM based, and Sandvold is evervolv based.
[Desire General] Ryther:
I think you need to flash after a full wipe... I'm switching from BCM 3.1U0 and Evervolv 0.5.1 without problem, both boot well and perform somewhat good, lock screen works, app switcher works.

It varies from person to person, but i think ICS it's not a good everyday ROM, we need some more stability and tweaks!
[Desire General] zealot0630:
I figured out the BCM problem.

The script at /system/etc/init.d/90threshold

#!/system/bin/sh

if busybox [ -e /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db ]; then
value=$(sqlite3 /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db "select value from secure where name = 'sys_storage_threshold_percentage'")

if busybox [ "$value" != "1" ]; then
sqlite3 /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db "insert into secure (name, value) VALUES('sys_storage_threshold_percentage','1')"
sqlite3 /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db "insert into gservices (name, value) VALUES('sys_storage_threshold_percentage','1')"
fi
fi

is run as root, makes /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db unwritable for system, so I delete it, cause lots of problems
[Desire General] tomi.petrovski:
Can somebody tell how to install ICS on my HTC DESIRE step bu step ...pls !

Thanks so much !
[Desire General] hachel:
That depends on some additional information. Like whether you have root etc.

Check the roms corresponding threads in the developement-subforum.
[Desire General] tihimasmo:
I think #2 post got all lost in ics fanboy hysteria...

ho hum

OnT:

Is it stable yet or only 80 percent stable, or is it half stable and half henhouse?

I would have guessed half henhouse and half pigstie, but I have to trust you sharp guys when you tell me that part of the ROM is a stable or at least enough of a stable to keep your horses in on a daily basis or in your profession.

Cheers! Very informative thread if you don't use search button.
[Desire General] Sholofly:
I rooted and flashed my device by reading (and executing) the steps in the desire-all-things-root-guide on androidforums.com

Good luck!
[Desire General] Intelmaster90:
For a friend of me, BCM ist working much better than sanvold but you cannot say that one of them are stable. There's a lot to do to make the ROM stable. I cannot recommend you it for daily use ;-)
[Desire General] PerfectSlayer:
I tried Sandvold one and BCM one.

Sandvold one was the first to have the hardware well supported.

But now, I daily use the BCM one which is very stable and responsive.

All hardware work, the battery is good, Android is up to date (4.0.4) and ROM author is nice with its users.

I have nothing to reproach to BCM rom. Works well (better than Sandvold for me).

(bad points are that it need 180mb+ to be installed and the presentation thread is not up to date (some described problems are solved long ago))
[Desire General] petwussy:
I totally agree Perfectslayer. BCM is supersmooth. And I agree that the developer is very helpful to lots of the people that asks questions in his thread.

Recommend to others who havent tried the ISC, to try both Sandvolds and dk_cool's . But if you only want to try one of them I recommend dk_cool's rom simply because it seems more stable, has more options and for me seems like the fastest and uses less battery.
[Desire General] djlars:
If you want to use the rom daily, install BCM ;)
[Desire General] tihimasmo:
If you must have ics, I recommend aosp with ics theme.
[Desire General] erklat:
That is still GB which leaves Desire a two year old with lack of RAM and storage to name a few, unlike fully fledged ics rom which at least quadruples hardware prospects of our phone.
[Desire General] tihimasmo:
That's interesting. In what ways will it do that?
[Desire General] erklat:
I don't know so I can't comment. But I'd look into q&a for first 20 threads and I believe I'd find at least 19 authors who could say a word or two about that.
[Desire General] tihimasmo:
I guess feeling that kind of improvement on your phone from using ICS must be something like an epiphany:

It doesn't happen to everyone.

It's purely subjective.

I think I'm an agnostic when it comes to ICS...

...maybe I only need to believe harder.
[Desire General] zealot0630:
After several day use, now I'd recommend BCM rather than Sandvold. Everything work, except camera can't record video.
[Desire General] stephendt0:
I am in the same sort of position. Messed up my CM 7.1 ROM (dropped at the wrong moment, battery fell out and corruption occurred - yay for factory reset). Need a daily use ROM with everything working fast and apps on a secondary partition on the SD card. From the sound of this thread I would be best sticking to Gingerbread I'm guessing?
[Desire General] haakon88t:
noob question

I'm using Sandvolds ICS now. The rom works good, but it lags a bit. Therefore I thought I would change to the BCM rom.

I got a lot of apps and it's a pain installing all of them from scratch. So.. Is it possible to take a backup of my apps+system-data with titanium, change ROM to BCM and recover the apps again with titanium?

If not, is there any better way than installing everething from scratch?
[Desire General] GraphicGoose:
I could be wrong, but given both Sandvold and BCM ROMs are ICS I'd think using titanium to backup and restore your apps and data should be fine. I think the issues using titanium occur when it's from a different version of android. I would take a nandroid backup before you do anything though, just incase...:)
[Desire General] gab_hamelin:
Hi! I tried both rom. And both are really similar. After reading the two threads, they also seem to have the same bug at the same time.

l'm sticking with sandvold for now caus i prefer the a2sd app include.

Envoyé depuis mon HTC Desire
[Desire General] petwussy:
After doing some tweeks under "performance" in BCM, I dont have any lag at all.

Ok, i tuned my PCU to 1190, but I dont think that made the whole difference. I installed SD-booster to turn the cashe-size up from 128 to 1024. Which is good when you transfer data from SD-card.

Also under performance--->memory.

*Enable 16bit transparency

*Disable Surface dithering

*Allow KSM (Kernel sampage merging)

*Enable "Allow purging of assets"

*Disable zRam.

All of these seemed to make my phone faster. Also scored higher on AnTuTu benchmark. Cant say I lost any performance. Atleast not in the menu. Perhaps during games. Not really sure.
[Desire General] chrisath:
ics final

i all

is that so difficult to put all energy on one release and to make her a final, 100% working...

linux distrib have the same prob, probably if we have one of some distrib, not thousand..., it's a long time we are on desktop, but now....
[Desire General] Kyoraki:
Stick with Gingy, ICS isn't quite ready for daily use yet.
[Desire General] petwussy:
This is far from truth. Unless you need to tape video, the BCM 3.1U0 (ICS) is good enough for every kind of daily use.. Have had less problem with it than CM7.1RC.
[Desire General] Kyoraki:
As well as graphical glitches, force closes, and lack of tethering, and a rotting tree trunk full of bugs. Maybe good as a curiosity or very casual use, but it's nowhere near stable enough yet to be used heavily on a daily basis like the lad wants.
[Desire General] erklat:
Lol O.o
[Desire General] ionutrf:
Sandvolt works best for me
[Desire General] GraphicGoose:
+1 here. Although I've kind of had to make a bit of an amalgamation in order to get all the things working I want. I'm currently using Sandvolds Beta6 but had to push the old camera to the right place to get the barcode scanner working. Also had to install the youtube.apk from the BCM ROM in order to get the youtube app to work under the latest Sandvold. Otherwise it's running pretty nicely on my phone now. :cool:
[Desire General] espi12:
No need to install SD-booster, you can change that value under performance -> Mounts2SD management -> Readahead

Also while the installation it's possible to change the value in aroma installer.
[Desire General] chrisath:
i all

still waiting for the only one !!! :D
[Desire General] pauldv:
BCM works well enough

I've installed BCM yesterday and it seems quite stable. Especially for a work in progress. There are still some slight issues (hierarchyviewer not working). I'm frankly quite surprised with what actually does work. Given that this hardware is quite a bit older.
[Desire General] joeldinis:
I use BCM. In fact I came across Sandvold first but I was unable to flash it for some reason. ext 4 maybe?

Anyway, gave BCM a chance and I stayed with it. The dev is helpful, the rom is getting better by the minute and I use it every day. No lag and performs better than stable gb. At least to me.

It has loads of tweaks. I started by trying them all but found out that overclocking to 1075 is enough. No need for KSM or any other memory tweak or SD changes.

Video is still not working but there's a mod I tried that made it work. But it also made the camera lag so I took it out as I don't use video that much.

As for backup... I do backup in case the new update ****s things up.

Usually if it's a new release I do a full wipe and flash the rom. I don't restore any app or data. I take full advantage of Google and most of my apps are automatically installed once I reboot for the first time and type in my Google account. The odd ones I've side loaded I can do them myself.

As for data. Well my contacts are on my google account and facebook,pics are instant uploaded to G+, my music on Spotify and my docs in Drop box and Google Docs. Which means just like my apps they all sync with my phone.

It takes me 15 minutes to reinstall everything and that's me not doing nothing after the initial setup. Plus I have several other google accounts I like to sync with my phone.

Btw I have 50+ apps and still use the same 4Gb SD that came with the phone.

My 2 pennies.
[Desire General] mld0491:
my phone really hated the BCM one for what ever reason so I stick to Sandvolds

He does tend to ignore quite a lot questions.. (BUT, does to fix most).
[Desire General] tewei:
unfortunately, yes. fixing some problem will likely broken something else in accident , and that needs broad based testing to sum up what was wrong, then devs can try to improve it again (and something else might broke again).

Those codes are HUGE, solving all the problems once for all is simply not possible.
[Desire General] Kappa Lamda:
I am using Sandvold's Rom from beta 0.4.1 and so far I am very pleased with the update frequency. ROM runs pretty good for daily use(phone,sms,email,talk,fb,twitter).

The only thing I have to report is battery drain on full use scale(heavy use-screen always on and wi-fi and 3G). Which I think is normal for an ICS beta ROM.

Never tried so far the BMC but I'd like to give it a try.

If I use Titanium backup could I restore my apps? I hate downloading them again from my market.(42 apps) Or I'll have problems?

Stock S-OFF hboot(Alpharev 1.8)

apps 2 sd-ext partition using stock a2sd(Sandvold rom)
[Desire General] Looloup:
I had been using Sandvold's ROM from 0.4 -> 0.6. Your set-up looks the same as mine.

Today I thought that I would try BCM as I have been following both threads (and the Sense one - which has now gone quiet)

I have reinstalled all of my apps from TB (I have plenty) - all seem to be working OK. Note these apps were saved from Sandvolds ICS ... you will surely get a problem if you restore apps saved under any Gingerbread ROM.

So far BCM seems to be performing OK
[Desire General] Kappa Lamda:
I want to restore the apps I have under Sandvolds ICS... So it seems to be working good! Hope it will and on my phone...

To be honest I've never used TB again.

I'll test BMC for somedays and then come to a conclusion.
[Desire General] Kappa Lamda:
One day so far with BCM R3.2U2 w/ tiamat-evervolv kernel and I like this ROM much better. Everything running smoothly, softkeys are better than the ones on Sandvolds, and I noticed better battery management! Mount2SD works great, CM9 features perfect.

Tommorow I'll update my rom to R3.3U1.

+BCM looks like having a better update rate than Sandvold.

For now I vote BCM!
[Desire General] FariG:
Sandvold's ICS BETA (0.6) !
[Desire General] joeldinis:
BCM latest update has microphone broken for apps other than phone.

There's a fix but requires adb at the moment. Hopefully the dev will fix it soon. Otherwise I might try Sandvold. Been quite happy with BCM otherwise.
[Desire General] Kappa Lamda:
5 full days with BCM I am going to stick with this rom! Before I had Sandvold's but BCM looks better, CM9 features great, phone is much more stable(neither BSODs nor reboots), faster with same CPU governor settings, mounts2SD works great - no lag for sd-ext apps, and battery life is much better for normal use.

Both roms drain battery too much on a full scale use but BCM is better again!

For now I think BCM's rom is better.

DESIRE GSM

Stock Hboot S-OFF Alpharev 1.8

Mount2SD

Tiamat based kernel by Drewis(evervolv)
[Desire General] joeldinis:
Hum... in that case I'll hold on. Hopefully the mic issue will be sorted soon. Or I might attempted fixing it via adb .
[Desire General] tobby_d:
Sandvolds ICS beta 0.5.4

Don't overlook, that sandvold currently is on a long vacation in south-east asia. As he mentioned in previous posts, many of his last builds were currently done with a broken screen from hotels with very bad internet connectivity ;)

So hold on! I am sure, there will be more builds soon.
[Desire General] Vous.Thal:
Tested both: prefer BCM, like the Cyanogen features.
[Desire General] Kappa Lamda:
After one month w/ Sandvold's and then one month until yesterday w/ BCM's, both with the very last update, and from yesterday w/Sandvold's beta 0.8.1 I have to admit that overall Sandvold's Rom is much better!

Espesially the last update is far much better than the BCM's one. Battery is very very good, lag is unnotisable - almost disappeared and no BSOD's till now.

The only 2 things I really miss from BCM's rom are CM9 features and the software keys option inside the menu.(plus soft keys are much better on bcm's)

Yes mattman does great job for softkeys but it is not possible that he builds a new flashable rar every rom update Sandvold does! For example I have beta 0.8.1 and mattman's last update is for 0.7(works with 0.8.1)...

Now I'll try beta 0.9 with full wipe!!!
[Desire General] TheTenth:
I've never been a fan of CM, whatever version. Too many useless apps for my usage.

Doesn't change with ICS, still like Sandvold better.

I have to agree, both aspects (battery and smoothness) have considerably improved recently, and I feel SV has taken the lead over BCM here (tried last versions of both).
[Desire General] ashik6six6:
i also like the CM9 fetures. the latest BCM 3.4 has got the themes support. but for me 3.4 is little slower than the 3.3 . transition effects in 3.4 lags for some reasons
[Desire General] ssbenss:
I didn't test bcm rom but sandvold 0.9 beta is very smooth and had a fast boot time ;)
[Desire General] mauro1992:
I've tried about 4 or 5 ICS roms, and mulitiple versions.

At this moment, both are very good. There's only one question you have to answer for yourself and that is: "Do I want CM customization?"

Personally, i choose BCM. Especially since video capturing and panorama is now fixed. I really like cyanogenmod's in general. I've tried mods of cm7 and cm9 but i keep going back to the stock CM experience, which in CM9 is great, as it is not only very functional but it also looks great.
[Desire General] Alien2653:
It's BCM dude, I love it!! I've tested both (Sandvold 0.10 beta & BCM 3.7U0) but of course thanks to both of them on their attempts to bring ICS on our devices but I prefer the BCM!! :)
[Desire General] Alien2653:
For difference I must say because the bcm is from cyanogen mod 9 it has more functions, theme support, quiet hours, dsp manager and many more!
[Desire General] chris3012:
I got the same problem with the lock screen under bmc and my home button isnt working anymore. could not fixe it yet. i guess i have to flash the rom again but i dont want to spent another hour one it, right now. has anybody an idea to fix this problem w/o flashing the rom???
[Desire General] maerte:
Sandvolds Rom is working like a charm for me...don't know a lot about the BCM guys but Sandvold is doing a huge work on his Rom.
[Desire General] sssimo96:
I think BCM is more stable, has the CM bennefits too and more options in aroma, but Sandvold puts a lot of work over his ROM too and supports more hboots so both the ROMs are stable and good.
[Desire General] Hungbi:
Sandvoid 0.18.1 :D Every thing I need is working just fine. Huge work he did.
[Desire General] :
BCM / Sandvolds / Evervolve running since a week or so. I am happy with the speed and functionality.

No reboots, force closes for me. Great rom and don't want to change a flawlessly running system
[Desire General] MidnightDevil:
Hum.. I can only say that.. I can play almost all games on Sandvold, I can't play almost any game on bcm.. :(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Darmokk:
Just wondering if anyone else is having issues with the newly released version of Instagram for Android? I'm running Racing's Skyrocket port of ICS, and Instagram keeps crashing. I don't know if maybe it has something to do with the auto-rotation being messed up?

I've also tried it with force gpu rendering BOTH on and off, no change. Instagram lets me take the picture, but crashes when it tries to load the picture up to edit or share.

The install pages says Instagram on any android device running 2.2 or later, and it works great on my wifes stock gingerbread T-989.

If anyone else is running an ICS rom on their T-mobile Galaxy S2, and has time to download and test out instagram would be much appreciated
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Well the ICS ROMs we have are not totally stable so that may be your problem. I'm running ICS on my GNex as I type this and was using instagram about a half hour ago just fine.

Clear app cache, data or uninstall and then reinstall. If that doesn't work, I'm afraid you may have to go back to a stable gingerbread ROM.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Darmokk:
After more research it appears that all the ICS roms for the GSII seem to be experiencing this issue, so at least I know Im not alone.

Instagram is nice, but no WAY am I going back to gingerbread lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
There's nothing special at all about ICS if its from Samsung, Don't see how you can be so attached lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] RaverX3X:
actually from log catting the crap out of instagram it seems to be a issue with the egl drivers seem to crash when trying to utilize it

going to try my open egl drivers for samsung see if it can clear some of it up. :P

Why dont i include them a im still building them and b 2d works flawless 3d how ever is still slow atm like with any linux open source drivers :P
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] helsinki98:
Instagram also doesn't work correctly on my DHD running Ice cold sandwich 7. Takes images but the upper left corner shows the upper left corner of the previous image taken. The image preview also doesn't work and is a black screen unless you look at images from the gallery before hand, then the image preview works fine.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] lightdelegate:
there is a bug !

on IS on Galaxy note when u try take pic from the gallery... then after u choose one photo its sending u back to the "where to take the photo" menu :(
[Galaxy S II General] cb1100r:
You bought a SG2 Glalaxy and you have a Series G. ..

98% of ROM tutorials for customization then you are forbidden!

I would like to know your place of purchase, the store if possible and the country of purchase.

I think it would be useful to know the trend: whether the 9100 is still selling if the 9100G or definitely replace.

if the 9100G takes over then we could find hope that more Dev are turning to the ugly duckling;)

my S2G white come from "ThePhoneHouse". Bought 15 Mars 2012
[Galaxy S II General] armanderli:
In France Samsung has replace the I9100 but it counterpart the I9100G...That for the Unlock of Course.

As for the carriers, you still can find an original I9100 but lock with 12 or 24 months contract

Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9100 avec Tapatalk
[Galaxy S II General] _AnAkIn_:
Samsung has replaced I9100 with I9100G in pretty much all (if not all) countries where there is a firmware available:

https://sites.google.com/site/rizandroid/
[Galaxy S II General] cb1100r:
thank for this link

i used this one :

http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&t=1&o=1&m=GT-I9100G&r=1#modelsa
[Galaxy S II General] _AnAkIn_:
SamMobile is not accurate. They've got wrong country names for some firmwares.
[Galaxy S II General] frankimm:
Samsung ****ed the consumers big time here in India by selling I9100G in I9100 boxes. This is clearly making a fool out of the consumer. I do not hold anything against 9100G. It is equal in everything however it does not have developer support which is very sad.
[Galaxy S II General] rmu1985:
I9100g is available in India..I ordered i9100 but they delivered i9100g..I bought it for months back..fought with customer care for four months and finally got the replacement two weeks back.. I checked with them and they said that only very few pieces of i9100 are available in India...
[Galaxy S II General] cb1100r:
I totally agree with this opinion...
[Galaxy S II General] cb1100r:
if this is the case in all countries of the world, we will soon be more and more developers will be interested to G :)

unless the S3 is born too soon ...
[Galaxy S II General] sahibunlimited:
Samsung is getting back i9100 at the place of i9100G(i read it somewhere)
[Galaxy S II General] manishdev:
I had a i9100G till recently actually had to do many mods myself, even made a custom rom for it but i guess the frustation of very few people working on this was too much. Got it replaced with i9100 :)
[Galaxy S II General] cb1100r:
it would be great news if it's confirmed!

and even better if Samsung exchanged G against free all classics! but ... we dream;)

but again I had a classic black and my white G only suffers from a problem: the lack of interest from dev. as far as hardware only benchmaks may find slight differences