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[XDA Developer TV] gdbjr:
Um perhaps you should spend more time in the forums. If you need that explained to you, then you really don't know what goes on here. It is either a) DEV yelling at noobs b) Devs yelling at other devs or c) Sometimes folks even getting help.

WOW! With people like you on the moderator committee, it is no wonder people are leaving the site. And XDA is not a developer driven site, that is a load of crap. If that was the case you wouldn't let noobs like me sign up. You let me sign up so you can make money of me. Like most things on the internet, XDA is a $$$$ driven site. Either from the adds or the <Donate> button that most 'developers' seems to have.
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
Let's keep this a balanced discussion. In fairness, I can understand if a dev gets p/o'd when s/he has literally hundreds of people asking the same questions because they refuse to read the first few posts or following threads.

You're right, XDA isn't a developer driven site, it's a developer based site. The mods need to realise that there can be harmony between noobs, creative content and other "non-development" material, and actually development and coding. Until they drop their egotistic mentality though, no progress will be made.

I don't agree with the statement that XDA is a money driven site though, I think that's downright false. I may be wrong, but prove me otherwise.
[XDA Developer TV] Rancid88:
This thread has gotten really hot really quickly, frankly some devs seem to have an issue with noobs, whether or not the issue deserves merit is debatable, as for As, Sasi, and Sam its sad to see them leave but hopefully they go to a better place where there personalities will be appreciated
[XDA Developer TV] juzz86:
I've been on this site for years and love it. Obviously there was a conflict of interest between Jeff, Bob, Sam and XDA at large. Big loss in publicity, big loss in entertainment - yes, for sure. They made the best decision for them - life goes on, and more luck to them.

The outstanding issue with the site itself from the parts I visit (a fair bit) isn't the userbase. It's the sheer amount of self-righteous, self-centeredness that's carried in every device forum here, except some of the lower-activity ones.

I am nowhere near intelligent enough around code to Develop myself. If I were, I know that I would be pissed no end at the ridiculous number of users who post the same questions over and over in the same thread, without being able to even read back two pages to find their answer, or post it in a Forum specifically built for 'Questions and Answers'. Smartphone users today are nowhere near as savvy as they were when I picked up my first iPAQ. Back then, you got blasted to kingdom come for posting nonsense in a Development thread here - now it occurs every five posts.

Knowing this, and having been around (with a couple of accounts) for a while (since XDA was properly yellow), I can most definitely understand where the Moderation team are coming from, and why they'd want to preserve it. Because it truly was a thing of beauty, and it honestly just worked, without all the trash, SPAM and garbage that clutters every Development thread of every device released these days. You only need to be flamed out of one or two threads before you learn to 'read up' on everything before you ask. All my posts in Development sections these days are answering questions. It never used to be like that, it was just 'watch and learn'.

I can understand that those users who haven't been around so long would not understand this at all, and see the 'hostility' as just that. It has always been a 'hostile' place to those who expect help and expect it immediately without exerting any effort themselves, but if you take reasonable steps to help yourself before posting (in the right place), you generally see a much warmer reception.

On the other hand, the market for smartphones has changed so much and become so much larger that this population explosion here was inevitable. I am a big proponent of preserving the original XDA message and mantra, but it's becoming more and more an impossibility as each year progresses, smartphone users get stupider and more ignorant (generalisation).

At the end of the day, the best thing we as users can do today is find a little niche and help those who come to us. Report things which go against the rules, do the odd bit of 'charity' work in QnA, and just generally try and keep the peace.
[XDA Developer TV] mrkite38:
I'll take a moment to thank my former mod mentor and go one step further - there's a difference between who the site is designed for and who it is used by. The site (based on the old-timey XDA feeling, to borrow a phrase) is/should be designed for developers. Without devs, the site has nothing to offer. No one will come here for users.

That doesn't mean regular people like me can't come here and lurk, and learn, and test, etc. It does mean that the site doesn't cater to their needs. Devs will dev without users - it's part of who they are.

Really, kyphur put it perfectly some years ago. I'm sure someone has a link in their siggy here somewhere...
[XDA Developer TV] ScottyBrown:
Four things:

SassiBob, Jeff, and Sam aren't leaving the community. You can still watch their (high quality) work. It just won't be branded as XDA, it'll be branded as SuperUser.tv (RootzWiki). Same people, delivering the same great content. Just type in a different URL to get there.

Any "development" related site that insists on your allegiance to their content/domain isn't operating in the spirit of open source. The primary motivator behind development is education and sharing; and you can't have that if you are insisting on people staying in your walled garden... then move to make them feel bad for looking for education elsewhere.

Developers do not make a development site... the users do. I read somewhere in this thread that since XDA is a development site, people will have to come here to get their ROMS and interact with developers... sure, that is kinda true I guess. But, people need drivers licenses to drive, and in order to get one they have to go to the DOL to get it. Nobody likes going to the DOL. Just because people come to XDA to get their ROMS/themes/etc doesn't mean they like it. Because of that, there are other development sites that have popped up... that offer friendlier staff and devs, and the entertainment content that users want.

Are there are any paid ads on XDA? Yes? Then it's a money driven site. I guarantee that if Google missed their AdSense payment for a month the site ownership would be taking action.
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
While I completely agree with the rest of your post (absolutely spot on!), I still beg to differ here. There's a large gap between having ads, and being money driven. XDA needs a way of paying for servers, employing staff, etc. but that doesn't mean they're money driven, in the sense that that's their primary objective. It's not, and that's not something that's at debate here. A clear indicator of the site being money driven would be if there were ads everywhere. And to be honest, there's not that many.
[XDA Developer TV] juzz86:
This is a horse**** statement, sorry. A development site can exist without users - it just won't be public knowledge, like the Developer-only forums here at XDA we aren't privy to. A user site is called a Tech Support Forum, not a Development site.

XDA is becoming a tech support forum, because new smartphone users lack the nouse and energy to do their own research. They'd rather just ask immediately it springs into their head, no matter where they might have the cursor.
[XDA Developer TV] ScottyBrown:
I see your point... but I'm a bit jaded when it comes to money and publishing. I guarantee with an estimated $4000 in daily ad revenue (via CUBESTAT) that money IS most definitely an issue when it comes to the day to day operations of this website. One thing I've learned about business and by being in this community for a few years now is that if someone can figure out a way to generate money off of their work, they are going to do it.

Hence all of the DONATE links in the signatures.

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I don't think that it's a horse**** statement at all. Put a bunch of developers in a room and have them produce a product. If no one uses the product, then what is the point of producing it in the first place?

If the users weren't important in the developer - user relationship, no one would publish their work. They'd instead keep it to themselves.

Regarding your comment about XDA being a tech support forum... Part of producing and publishing a product is supporting it. If you don't want to support it, don't publish it. If you don't want to support your product, don't be surprised when people don't click your DONATE link.

In other words... if you aren't interested in helping others learn through development of open source code... then why the hell are you here except to get satisfaction about *****ing over people asking for help?
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
Oh, I agree with you there. A lot of the donate links are pure moneygrabbing. About 10% of the people that have them, actually deserve donations. The people who do actual work. A lot of the other ones, for people who spend an hour or two repackaging something? No. And in that sense, I agree that you could consider that to be a money driver, but that's disconnected from the actual management of XDA.

No doubt there's profits off the site, too. Even if it was less than $4,000/d in revenue, that would surely meet and exceed any server costs, etc.. But I honestly don't think that's the sole motivator for running the site. I think if the people who do didn't genuinely enjoy it, we wouldn't be here today. Still, it'd be one sweet side perk of it all.

I guess there's two different ways to look at it, really.

^this.
[XDA Developer TV] ScottyBrown:
I don't think it's the sole motivator... but I'd wager that it's a really REALLY REALLY REALLY big chunk of it.
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
I'd call it at maybe 60/40; there comes a point where something needs to have benefits to it, it can't just remain a project forever.
[XDA Developer TV] ScottyBrown:
An estimated $125,000 in monthly ad revenue is much more than a project... unless you're Richard Branson.
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
I wasn't saying it was, I was saying that it'd have to have some financial motives, because

otherwise

it'd just be a project on the side.
[XDA Developer TV] juzz86:
The thing is this, though - The Developers aren't going to stop because the users go away. In fact it will be beneficial to them. Why? Because the Developers who are 'chasing the buck' will disappear, and allow for increases in both productivity and original, functional work, as opposed to all the 'kangs' you see around the place.

It will sort the wheat from the chaff, if you like. Someone who Develops to test their skills or 'because they can' (cited by a few Devs) won't be affected by users disappearing, except they'll not have to spend all their time fixing f*cking BLN or other silly 'bugs', or answering one question umpteen-hundred times/thread. Rather, they can concentrate on major releases, and benefit from the undoubtedly-more-helpful advice of their fellow Devs.

:)
[XDA Developer TV] D.O.C:
I really dont know how long you have been around (I dont mean your join date), I mean involved in our communitty

But do you remember things developers wrote in the old days like:

"I made this for myself, but I thought someone else might find it useful, reason why I am sharing it here" and stuff like that?

Jep, that is how it all started..... things like :"I want to modify certain file to do this and this....but so far I am stuck at this level, does anyone have any clue on how to continue?", "There is this X error at my phone, and found out that modifying Y+Z and deleting W fixes it".......

Developers....and I mean XDA Developers was driven cause of necessity...personal necessity, not to offer something to other people.

To actually develop something original and useful, it takes certain amount of time. Time you get out of your family, job, social life, etc. So it would be only logical that, those who develop for other people charge for their end product (and there are plenty of examples of that). That is not bad at all...and that is a mercantile oriented development. That is fine, but not our community purpose.

If you read our forum rules, XDA-Developers main objective is not that of selling something, is basically to gather around a bunch of knowledge and learn from it, plain and simple.

Moderators do not get paid, do not get special privileges, do not get recognition, popularity, respect, etc.

Moderators are users that, in order to give something back at XDA for what they have taken from it, voluntarily invest time to try to keep it organized and easy to read. They are users that believe in our manifesto and try to keep our forums as close to them as possible. To say that the mods/admins have made a mistake by defending our manifesto is just plain wrong. Maybe some of you are confused by our community objective which is is basically to gather around a bunch of knowledge and learn from it, :D

Without any offense intended to anyone, I think some of you are clearly confused about why XDA-developers was created, why its importance to keep close to it and what it stands for.

The users that actually use XDA-developers for its objective, which is to share and learn, will agree 100% with the above.

Users who come here for support (O_o, no idea why, honestly google, etc engineers have pretty impressive credentials and get paid to help you!! lol) will think that is all about the users........its all about the knowledge!!
[XDA Developer TV] juzz86:
I think you guys have the wrong idea here.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but I bet you a lot of Devs here do this as nothing more than a 'side project'. So many people come here to flash ROMs and expect fully-functional, polished end-products, then squeal or kick up a fuss when there's a few bugs.

That's not what it's about. XDA is, regardless of what the ROM version number might be, one huge beta. You come here to flash the pet projects of others. It is unfair, unreasonable and, quite frankly, selfish to expect full-blown retail stability AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT ACCOMPANIES THEM. Granted there are guys/girls who have remarkable success at achieving this, but remember that at the root of it, they're guys/girls pulling bits and pieces and sticking them together to see if they work, then giving you the privilege of trying them, too.

When you join XDA, you 'opt in' to the beta program. Beta programs don't entitle you to support-out-your ears, nor do they give you a polished, final product. They give you a work-in-progress, and rely on you having some knowledge about the processes to make the most of them.

I don't dispute your point at all Scott - Developers had to start somewhere. But % Dev : User was far higher in the WinMo days than it is today, thanks to the change in target demographic.
[XDA Developer TV] ScottyBrown:
If this is the true manifesto of XDA, then you guys should take the advice of a previous poster and terminate everyone that isn't a "recognized developer". Require people who want to join the forums to submit an application and go through an approval process. Lock the forums from public commenting except for those recognized developers.

Essentially, to hold true to the XDA roots and provide nothing more than a development channel you'd completely cut out the users.

Oh, but there is that little thing about ad revenue...
[XDA Developer TV] D.O.C:
nono....I was a long time user bro :D, I basically read and learned my way into development :D. Users are potential developers, or potential moderators, themers, or ingenious persons with great ideas :D- Users should not be leechers who come here to "ask" for something and expect full support.....what is the point there?...anyhow....I gotta go, cya ltr.
[XDA Developer TV] ScottyBrown:
What I am saying is that by the standards you and the other developers that have replied in this thread have put forth... then XDA has grown into something that you don't like... a place to release software, educate each other, support end users, and develop on open source code.

If XDA has become something that you don't like... why are you here? Why do you release your code here? Why do you "moderate" the forums?

Why not start your own walled garden and make it the way you want it?
[XDA Developer TV] oka1:
Human Nature

Too many people here do not understand how business works. IF you start a website, regardless how altruistic the reason is, in the end, you need to pay the bills and create some sort of balance that provides the needed condition to make sure the business (site or other) is sustained and grows. XDA is no different than ANY other site or business, it follows the same model. IF it makes money Good !!! it is supposed to do that hopefully...

What has changed for XDA was..... no one could have ever thought that the Android platform would be this huge this fast. We all wanted it to be big, but in a span of 2 years Android has become THE ITEM in the phone world.

XDA grew accordingly along with the Android increase of popular-ism.

The result...... the growth caused both success and growing pains. Specific People who think they are the reason for the success of XDA or believe they are indispensable......... well they are wrong.... very wrong... Just the same that some Vice President of marketing or operations thinks they are too important to be fired in a specific business. Yeah right...... businesses and website take on they own anima and it changes as it gets bigger and adapts to ensure continued success..... if it doesn't it becomes irrelevant...and shrinks.

So many I have seen in XDA that complain that that they are unjustly treated ... believe so, because they cannot do whatever they feel like and follow common rules of discourse ...or... think they should have More control of the site than is warranted.... They then get frustrated when their fantasma desire is not realized ... then quit (or get let go) and begin a personal vendetta to those who gave them the opportunity to grow and develop. This is EXACTLY how all separations in ALL businesses look like •••EXACTLY•••...... why people think a website would be different than any other business ...well is just silliness...

Now, a few of the Moderators in the site do not speak or conduct themselves as professionally as they probably should... they too either adapt and raise their professional behavior or they too get left behind..... this too, is human nature and part of the participation bell curve. But, to think that "the few" are most of XDA moderators or managers is just dishonest.

What caused this thread.... and many like this one.... is someone or some-ones had their Ego bruised and their ego-driven emotional hurt drives them........ if it didn't they would learn from the experience and move to better moments in life without prejudice and malice like mature adults. But then, how many divorces end with the break up amenable.... where both parties move on maturely...... not many...... like I said human nature repeating expected human behavior.......just like the emotional gossip that has gone on inside this thread and some here act like that is unusual.......I wish all the best and continued success with everything they participate in...... even in a thread such as this one...... •••Peace•••
[XDA Developer TV] TheDeadCPU:
You'd be surprised how much money goes into things like this. Especially when there has to be sysadmins that are on call almost 24/7, and considering there is what, 3 admins who has XDA as a day job. And these need to be paid well etc etc.
[XDA Developer TV] juzz86:
They were well-guided in making you a Moderator ^ :)
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
If you scroll back a bit, my main point from that was the money wasn't the primary driving force. I understand that there's serious costs involved with running a site on this scale.

All in all, I think the situation with Jeff and Bob ended in a not-so-cataclysmic manner. Mind you, it wasn't the prettiest of situations either, but I don't think anyone except those involved can fully comment on it. The rest of us are just acting on what we know. As for Sam, I've reached out for comment from him, but I'm yet to hear anything.

Still, from what I've seen in this thread, some people who represent XDA (incl. Moderators, regardless of if they're paid or not) need to reshape their views on the userbase of this site, and what it's primary objectives need to be. Moreover, a little bit of professionalism would go a long way too. To those who have shown that today, thank you.
[XDA Developer TV] juzz86:
You go alright... For a Queenslander :p
[XDA Developer TV] screamworks:
'dem fighting words, mate! :D
[XDA Developer TV] willverduzco:
What my colleagues are trying to say is that XDA is ultimately focused on its developers--hence the name--because if we weren't, there wouldn't be any reason for end users to visit the site in the first place. We're not trying to be hostile or unwelcoming to our end users. In fact, many of these users who initially come looking to flash a new ROM end up becoming developers themselves after learning the intricacies of Android and other mobile OSes on our forums. However, we must do what we can to reward and protect the developers who work hard, often without pay, to better the hacking community.

This thread has progressed past the point of no return, and I am forced to close it. Please keep in mind that as end users, the XDA Staff (be it volunteer or paid) in no way harbors malice towards you. However, as I stated above, our goal is to make sure that developers' needs are being catered to because otherwise, there would be no XDA-Developers in the first place.

Thread closed.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simonbuschers:
Hello i am having some difficulties trying to install the Nexus Prime boot animation onto my ressurection 1.0 rom.

as soon as i try to flash the zip , it shows a conflict because of my rom begin LPJ and the zip being XWKJ2

is there anyway to bypass this ?

http://www.mediafire.com/?xud5itp25thpdpe

all credit for the file goes to BigBang
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] curodot:
Why don't you just pull the bootanimation.zip from that file and put it in your /system/media ?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simonbuschers:
i was always i bit cautious about messing around in root explorer but i did some searching about the root system/media folder , extracted the bootanimation.zip ( and the sanim.zip just to be sure )

placed them into the corresponding folders and it worked !, thanks for the info
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MJHawaii:
Ok everyone i have tried them all and i know most of you have too. I am having the best speeds with FC15. What say you?:D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cnstarz:
EI15 10 char
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Wait, EL13 or FC15? I say FC15 myself
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MJHawaii:
Whats up JC yep 15 is the way to go!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cnstarz:
EI15. 10char
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Overstew:
I like FB27. Maybe it's just me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MrTimz:
FC22 is the best in the Atlanta area/for me...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bubur_bewok:
Fc18 for sure..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Threads like this confuse and frustrate me. I get a new tar leak for my Nexus and everyone sees the exact same results with the new modem and on the Epic Touch its different for everyone

What's up MJ
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MJHawaii:
Yeah i noticed that too every phone seems to react different i thought some of the modems mentioned already were bad but they are better for someone else
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tylerjames09:
FC24 modem with Calks 3.0 EL29 ROM, im pushing 1.5mb/s download in an area I would usually get .5mb/s max.