yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
I need to hear from other mods: is zelendel's expletive and invective-laden post representative of the new xda? Does he, as a senior mod, represent xda's upper management's position and attitude on these matters? I understand some of the concerns raised, but I find the tone, language, and attitude out of keeping with the xda I have come to know. And the fact that he reposts the link with apparent impunity is troublesome. When I read it on the xda app, I thought it was the rantings of a hotheaded newcomer. To my absolute dismay, when I checked the profile, I saw it had come from a senior mod. If the top of the milk is sour, what do you expect the bottom to do?

I copy it here for your consideration:

"Bottom line is people just cant talk to anyone any damn way they feel. This is not a site to make people popular. Hell I dont give a **** how many people use the kernel, rom, mod, or hack. Act like a fool and you deserve to be banned for good. The rules are here for a reason. Either follow them or leave, your chose.

Now I have had to hold my tounge on this for a while but no longer.

XDA is a developers site

XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only

XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix". And even Maybe help fix what is broken.

XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.

XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.

XDA is not your friends house

XDA is not a democracy

XDA is not a place to make Money.

XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.

I have watched XDA become a place where every dumbass in the world has a smartphone and comes here thinking they have the right to anything. Well guess what? You dont have the right to ****. We share it because we want to and we dont if we dont feel like it. Are the Developers or the Mods required to make you happy? Nope not in the least. Wanna leave. Go ahead. I beg you, please do. The less people that are asking dumb question cause they dont know what they are doing (this is understood when your new, but at least look) or are too lazy to look for it the better.

Dont like what I have to say? I am sorry you must have mistaken me for someone that gives a ****."
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zelendel:
was my tone a bit over board. Yes I can agree on that, but the time called for it. It was right before Iron Fist was set in motion. The whole point of it was that people come here expecting to find things to make their phone cool and to be able to talk to anyone any way they deem fit. Both of those are wrong. They come here feeling entitles to things to which they are not entitled and complain when they don't get it. Yet they don't want to spend the time and energy needed to learn to do it themselves.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
I am not sure what your point is other than being contradictory because on one hand you want to slam Zelendel for being too harsh than want to slam developers for thread organization.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
Insisting on good thread organization is one thing; expletive and invective-laden communication is quite another. And I don't recall slamming the devs. Please point out where I've done so and I will apologize.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] relldroid:
Soooo you ppl cry over ics, now that the dev section is getting some roms out there, your mad over them being broken and taking up space...... Smh

SGH-T989
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
I'm curious, has the Iron Fist policy helped? It doesn't seem to have worked here. What about quietly just deleting obviously silly, destructive or offensive posts and fostering a culture that simply ignores poorly thought-out or irrelevant ones instead of responding inadvisedly and "polluting" the very environment we all want/need? Ignoring unacceptable behavior can be quite effective, more so than tirades, imo. For example, if you find my posts here unacceptable, just ignore me. If, as a fair-minded moderator, you think they break the rules or disrupt the community, delete them. No need to rail against me or condone those who do. (Not that I'm saying you are, I'm speaking hypothetically.)

But I think there is wisdom in listening to what at first might appear to be the most inane of criticisms. While the op did not express himself as well as he could have, I think he was conveying a concern that many in this subforum (myself included) share: the need for better and more complete disclosure of the status (including enhancements, fixes, tweaks, bugs, limitations, etc.) of posted roms. This is not too much to ask, is it? Had the devs and mods been doing and enforcing this, it would have provided much more clarity to users and testers.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] byt3b0mb:
I didnt read through the 4 pages of this thread, but to the OP - posts like this are pointless, the development thread (as im sure its been said in other posts here) is for DEVELOPMENT - and as a "user" that has tried all of the so called "broken" ics roms - they are pretty functional, except for auto rotate, which lets be real, doesnt affect the functionality of the rom that much. and I will give you a No Thanks for starting a thread like this and clogging up the forum (like you claim the ics threads are doing).

Happy Monday. Learn to contribute to XDA, not be detrimental.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] androidtoy09:
Wise words. Agree with you 100%
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
Who in their right mind would complain over development? Does it piss you off to see things moving forward? To see this progress? To know better things are on the way? Is this guy serious. Are you new here? Do you know what XDA is about? this whole thing with the Galaxy S 2 has really put me in a whole other mind state. I've come to the conclusion I might just get a new phone. But don't get it twisted, its not cause of the developers that have spent so much time getting this to its even (ready like stages), its cause of the dumb, selfish, mindless owners of the Galaxy S 2 that can't seem to grasp the rules of the forum, the hearts of the dev's and the patients to keep their mouths shut. I want to personally thank RaverX3X and Racer for taking their time to even bring this to my phone. I know its still WIP but at least they are showing WIP..... And no I'm not ass kissing. I'm simply stating the truth. If anyone feels I am ass kissing why don't you try making your own ROM like Raver said. F this.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
OK "Mr.AndroidPoliceman"

Kangs?

No its called grabbing a stock base and building.

Its also the development section for a reason, those ROMs are also still in development, am I wrong?

Don't get all upset when your not developing a single thing. Ports take work, especially ports from a brand new system such as ICS and from another device as well.

Shown some respect.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
Master, you wouldn't happen to be the same Master from Auxora would you? From the Vibrant days?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
No disrespect but if you want to run XDA then just ask Mike Channon for his job.

"You clearly know how to run a better site then he does"

Be a MOD for a week and see how easy it is. Your looking at things in the third person. You haven't posted a ROM, kernel, MOD or any type of theme in this section to feel how DEVs, Themers and MODs feel .This is no government, if you want to debate then join the senate.

Other than that, ur alright.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
No I'm not.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] androidtoy09:
Speaking of entitlement and hypocrisy. I'm just quoting you.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
I'm no hypocrit at all...I was simply stating that I wanted to run my own threads. I'm not here telling the mods how to moderate, nor explain how users do such and such...nor constantly bring up the fact of how much better this place used to be.

You would know what I meant if you read all of his post. Even the ones in my thread here in this section.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jonathan3579:
What a great community we have. :rolleyes: Some of you people on this thread have shown exactly what's wrong with this place. Good job.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
1. Asking questions and making suggestions for improvement is at the heart of what xda does. This doesn't mean I either can do or want Mike's job. At any rate, your point is irrelevant.

2. You seem to be suggesting that because mods/devs have difficult "jobs" and can have hurt feelings, this somehow justifies any petulance or overreaction they might have. We all have a right to our feelings, but immature lashing out just breeds more of the same. Just because this is an online forum does not mean we have to be uncivil. If I acted like that in my real job, where real money and real consequences are at stake, I would quickly be fired. So though I do not post hobby roms for a phone that will be en vogue for all of ten months on a volunteer forum, it does not mean that I do not understand the concern. Quite the opposite, actually.

I'm just trying to be positive here. I have respect for devs, mods, themers, and modders. I think users do sometimes expect too much and act as though they are entitled. Likewise, I think devs sometimes promise too much and act as though they are entitled. The kind of cred we all want takes time to develop and will not be accorded to us because we or our mommies think we're special.

All I'm asking for is a positive, not a punitive environment, that's all. In such a place, mods/devs/users would acknowledge the op's concern, admit that there is chaos because so much of this is new and we have young, inexperienced people trying their best, and then point him to what they think are good options. Or they would simply ignore him.

3. At a macro level, it seems that members (devs, mods, testers, users, etc.) are being blamed and retaliated against for the misdeeds of others, as though there is this incredible amount of pent up anger and bad karma that is just waiting for the next unsuspecting lightning rod. Let's chill, people. This is supposed to be a fun avocation. Why so serious?!

4. If devs want good role models for fostering a positive development environment, check any of langthang or pongster's threads. See how they organize themselves and handle issues.

Pax xdana

---------- Post added at 10:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 AM ----------

You know, friend, "I didn't read" is not a convincing way to start a post. :) Thanks for your contribution, though.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Serious question.

Why don't you moderate?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Android Policeman:
Just asking opinions. This is in general for a reason. Its called discussion for a reason. This wasn't intended to turn into an xbox live flamefest. Let's keep it respectful. There are currently (at the time of my original post...there are more now) two functioning roms; racers tw rom and xraver's themed tw rom and all I was saying is why is everyone all of a sudden rushing to theme a busted asop rom instead of waiting for a working base. And UN my experience reading through these threads for years before making an account, half of them go dead anyways because the Pele that release them don't know squat past theming. Now I've seen some awesome devs like whitehawk, M&S racing..etc that will wait till they have something that works before releasing it because they take pride in their work. I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm just hoping I can spit ball some ideas on how we can fix this.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
Serious answer: no one has ever asked. :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Android Policeman:
I appreciate your candor sir.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] G1ForFun:
You fill out an application. It is hilarious (the application).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Watcher64:
Now see you are making an assumption that you have more experience, I only referred to things you actually said, I have been at the tech game almost 27 years, AS/400, VAX, programming, network engineering, Telco, Voip, Wireless Communication. So I seriously doubt you have been at it since before I was born ....

And more to the point I was not calling YOU an idiot or people that disagree, I was calling the people who clutter up the threads , and then complain about it IDIOTS ... But maybe I should have used smaller words ....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Android Policeman:
Please let's keep this respectful. This was meant to be a forum of discussion to cultivate better ideas not insult each other.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] funeralthirst:
for me, the problem isn't roms that are 'broken', but lack of 'known issues' lists and inconsistent date of release.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Android Policeman:
I agree, I'm typing this from my phone at work so I didn't convert alot of my concerns properly and that's my fault. It seems my intentions were misunderstood. I love your avatar btw. Johnny the homicidal maniac was a great comic
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] byt3b0mb:
treo... you are right - i didnt read through the whole thing isnt a good way to start, but i have been on here long enough and have read through enough crap :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Watcher64:
I would agree with this ....

Most of the "ports" share the same issues, but it is still an issue ...

Most of the threads DO have a list , but they don't get read, or they refer to another thread, which also does not get read.

Not going to mention names, but in one thread alone, in the OP, it stated that "data" was an issue, but being worked on, and yet there were 35 or so posts about data not working ...

Now how can you blame the DEV or forum structure for that type of behavior ??

You cannot make people read, but you can slap their hands when they don't ...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] SlakWReX:
This is ridiculous. How did this even get past one page long. Close this pointless thread that's clutterig the general section. How are you going to post something so pointless.

Sent from my SAMSUNG ICS-T989
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] egzthunder1:
Ok, I am closing this down before it truly gets out of control.

@OP,

the only reason why you have not been banned for being demanding is that it seems that you simply didn't express yourself properly and your original post is not what you actually intended to ask. Close call is an understatement....

@treo.....not,

Seems that you are quite eloquent and have a good head over your shoulders, so let me take on a couple of points (since you asked for someone up high in the ranks).

I sincerely have mixed feelings as for your statements as I actually somewhat agreed with a few of them. The ones I did disagree with are the fact that this was not, at any point back in the day, a pure development haven. Back in the day none of this chit chat would ever occur, let alone people complaining about the work being posted not working right. Yes, there was dialogue and communication, but it was a sharing of ideas, not a finger-pointing, flaming, character-bashing, all out mess where conversations seemed to have been started by people without enough maturity to drive a car.

I have been part of this forums just slightly longer than you and if you have been following xda since the golden days of WM, you know that I am speaking the truth.

Could the development threads be more organized? Probably so. Devs have moral obligations to ensure that their own threads are indeed well maintained with enough information and feedback to be able to let users know what is going on with their creations. People could "ask" the devs to cover these basic requirement. However, no one is in any position to demand anything from developers. It is a very thin line and one that is normally crossed, unfortunately. The ones that do cross this line are the ones who basically drive the devs out of xda, this is why Iron Fist was born in fact. The ones crossing this line tend to be people with a high sense on entitlement and normally goes hand in hand with the fact that they made a donation of some kind to the dev (normally monetary) and they expect a "return on investment" as they believe that they just became customers by making said donation(s), thus having the right to complain.

I will be honest with you, I personally crack down mercilessly on people with entitlement issues on xda and will not hesitate to ban a member permanently if I see that the attitude is that which I explained in my previous paragraph. Watcher and zelendel both expressed similar feelings to mine, but after reading a few more posts from the OP, I came to the conclusion that his intent was not what he actually posted, poor wording if you will.

I hope this helps clarify and put this matter to rest. Please pm me if you have any questions.
[Android Themes] pablotheescobar:
I have been looking around on the forums for a very simplistic theme. I want it to be just black and white kind of like the Windows phone 7 theme. I just want everything to look like the windows phone 7 mainly. I have a MDPI phone and I can never find one that is just perfect. If you would just put links up and or make one. That would be greatly appreciated!
[Android Themes] guk755:
excellent
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Here is the post if you still want to read it.

Android 1.3.3.7 Key Lime Pie has been released. Why did they go back to 1.3? Because they don't care, that is why! This update makes the Epic dual core. It also makes android completely closed source in order to keep 'uniformity' as Google says. Now all boot loaders will be locked so that more games can be made. This update will brick all phones that cannot run Temple Run without lag so that game developers won't need to worry about bad reviews due to lag. This update will turn wimax phones into lte and update the modem to get speeds of 1TB/s.

This update will be shipped to all users of the Epic 4G via floppy by the Pony Express within the next 2 months.

Changelog:

- Made proprietary

- Market renamed to "Not the App Store" to prevent being sued by Apple

- Made white the primary color instead of black

- Added advertisements in all parts of the UI

- Made it impossible to gain root access

- Made sure that hacking sites such as the horrible "XDA" are removed as they give people 'flashing' addictions

- Moar!
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
That's the upgrade coming in 6 weeks right?!
[Epic 4G General] CrfEpic4g:
Cannot wait for this! Does it include the camera flash color changing option?
[Epic 4G General] sonarchist:
.........I have it on good authority that this release will include the Remote-Brick Function for stolen devices.........very handy, you never know.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Fixed.
[Epic 4G General] sonarchist:
....thank you.
[Epic 4G General] phantomtofu:
I got the update today... Anyone else? Mmm pie.
[Epic 4G General] lilajrestnom:
Nvm lol... i think I understand
[Epic 4G General] mrleprechaunboy:
ZOMG this update is amazing...i love it....... xD
[Epic 4G General] Fire n mage:
I'm bricked! :D
[Epic 4G General] notsosmrtgeek:
Wait. I need a link. I have been waiting for this update.
[Epic 4G General] Coycaine:
Can't wait for Qbking77 to show us how to Odin this! I heard this update has 3.5mm tv out working!!!
[Epic 4G General] darkierawr:
The update gave me AIDS.

I mean, I already had AIDS....this just gave me MORE AIDS.
[Epic 4G General] Coycaine:
Are you hiv positive it was the KLP update that gave you more aids? Did you make sure to wipe cache? How about trying to redownload??
[Epic 4G General] darkierawr:
Man I wiped three times! I even tried the morning-after update!

AND I re-downloaded and tried again a few minutes ago. Now I have thrice AIDS!

I'm fairly HIV positive. I'll try a retroviROM. Maybe impede the damage. Don't want to brick myself.
[Epic 4G General] steveo314:
After I updated my phone caught fire and my eyeballs melted out of there socket and God struck me with lightning.

Sent from beyond the grave using xda zombie edition
[Epic 4G General] DrKaotica:
Lolzorz
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
I lol'd my face off. The xda zombie edition is awesome isn't it? :-)
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Dude, why you gotta be all HIV negative about everything...LOL.
[Epic 4G General] GuestK00145:
How du wee rooot et?
[Epic 4G General] Till-Kruspe:
Lawak la sangt...puiii...pegi mampos...kah69x... :D
[Epic 4G General] :
O

Cum in your moustache?
[Epic 4G General] adelmundo:
Does it also come with Google Tap and 8 bit Google Maps preinstalled?
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
The DEVs have an IOS emulator working on it. A few more bugs to work out and they will release it!
[Epic 4G General] sneezy316:
I heard you can't ODIN it, but will need the new THOR tool.
[Epic 4G General] blamethenetwork:
OMG!

I'm so glad they took the initiative to force this update. I hated the mods on this phone anyway. Before long we will all be assimilated anyway.:rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] GRK4G63:
I'm already developing a ROM for this update: CrackHeadROM v1.0 (alpha) :D
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
don't forget to include the crackhead kernel...lol.
[Epic 4G General] a454nova:
crackhead kernal
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
Lmao

Side note, glad to see you're still around a454nova, been a while since I've seen you around :-)
[Epic 4G General] lostby78:
I get a green flash as soon as I wake my phone.
[Epic 4G General] monstaX:
Omg it comes with Face time!!!!:D. I bet they tried so hard to integrate it!! <3. Thank u devs lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CollegeProfesor:
Yeah, the screen cracked from the inside of the phone, the display is black and there are white lines going across the screen. Do you guys have any idea how much it would cost to replace the screen? Im not sure if the digitizer is broken either. Should I just wait for an upgrade?

Is the Nexus coming to AT&T?

Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
I don't think you can get just the screen. I think the screen and digitizer are a single piece. On eBay that runs 200 ish.

I doubt the Nexus will be here soon, subsidized on att. I bet there will be a subsidized Nexus before we see a subsidized Galaxy S III, but rumors keep pointing to May for international, and Samsung hinting the announcement to US release will be shorter than the S II.

In your feet, personally I would get a Nexus S. If you can upgrade now I would save that upgrade for the S III, or Nexus, I'm partial to the capacitive buttons vs on-screen. The AT&T Nexus S isn't much more than the replacement screen, and slightly more than the Captivate. I would worry about a replacement screen being used.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] whd5015:
Hey OP,

I recently had my inside LCD crack as well. I sent it into Samsung Repair while still under Manufacturers Warranty and it cost me ~$145. I'm not eligible for an upgrade anytime soon so I shelled out the cash. Your call - took a week from sending out to getting it back!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
This phone doesn't have a digitizer, as it's a all-in-one piece. The cost would be over $100 for sure, plus the labor if you pay someone to fix it. Sorry bro!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CollegeProfesor:
Ok turns out its going to cost 200 bucks to fix. F that, ill just wait for the HTC One XL for a month.

Any ideas on how to wipe phone from PC since screen in now unusable?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
You can do it blindly, but why bother. They won't bother checking.