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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] naeib2000:
oh maaaaan

I wish we knew before hand that devs don't like our device maybe then we won't waste our money buying them one.:(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Carnifex3:
Just because he doesn't like it doesn't mean that he still won't develop for it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Sinful Animosity:
Oh wow. That was really nice of him.

He's telling people he wants to sell it. I don't think he has an interest in developing for us at all. This just reinforces my belief not to donate to someone until they put something out. This guy is a ass. I mean, look at Braway. He built us cwm, allowed us to reset our flash counter all without having the device. But the moment this guy gets it, all he can think about is selling it.

On the Atrix forums, faux built us an OC kernel without a device. I'm still not sure if he has an Atrix or not.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] s1mpd1ddy:
Damn, you can tell dude really hates it when he's dropping cuss words to describe it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] b3asty:
JFigure? Any thoughts on that M&S post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sweetboy02125:
Dagr8 is right. We should NOT donate anything upfront until we see some results.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] b3asty:
That's a very smart/prudent stance to take.We have some great devs already on the AT&T Note. There's no doubt in my mind that number will grow (esp when ICS officially hits).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Coffinfeeder:
I agree with you that there are already a lot of great devs on the note, but that post by m & s is a slap in the face to those that donated to get him a device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] b3asty:
Please don't mistake my previous post as disagreeing in any way. I am right there with you.. Hence my simple question to JFigure above.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpg71:
I haven't been following the whole M&S development effort - but if I'm understanding you correctly, the phone he is so anxious to sell is one that was donated to him for development purposes?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] b3asty:
That is what a critical eye would ascertain. Interesting to say the least.. LoL
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wase4711:
I'm all for donations, but, I have seen several of these types of incidents in the last year or 2, where the community gets together to get a dev a phone/laptop/other piece of hardware, and, then the dev either changes his mind, switches phones, or leaves that phone...

As others have said, its a lot smarter to donate to someone who is actively working on something you care about, than it is to pony up money ahead of time, with the hope they will come though for you..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpg71:
If that's really what is happening here, I'd hope the developer would pass the baton on to another developer willing to pick up the effort. Donating after something is delivered is usually the safe bet, but I understand in some situations it's more of an encouragement to get a known developer to work on the platform by giving them the device to work with. I'm cool with that, but if that developer decides to move on, the reasonable thing to do would be to pass that device on to someone else who can remain active with development.

Again, I don't know if that's the case here, so I'm just speaking in generalities and not towards any specific individual.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] squish099:
The g2x community came together to buy morphic (very stand-up dev) one, when he wanted to sell it 8-9 months later he asked the community if it was ok with it. Of course he also said he knew and had what he needed and would continue development blind....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] b3asty:
If one were to jump to a conclusion, as we are all known to do on occasion, one might correlate the purchase of the phone with his comment seeking to get rid of it. Who knows? All I know is ppl like The Collective, Playin4Sheezy, Dagr8 & Duke others are leading the initial charge quite well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DAGr8:
this is the whole point , I am not bashing any other devs , I respect them all , but real life comes first and you cant blame a dev for having other preferences or interests , the minute you pay for sometjhign upfront you start expecting things , thats when trouble starts , I ve seen great devs being bashed here on XDA for taking money upfront and not delivering , wanst his fault he just was in over his head and couldnt deliver what he was expecting to , still a top dev in my book , i wont name any names just saying , dont believe the hype , the only way you will get what you pay for is by trying it out first ..

like XDA rules says , you have your real life work to make money . Money here is a BONUS and well deserved one , its not a job .
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jkforce:
Just thankful for DAGr8 and other devs who created roms and other stuff here. Really shine at the moment like this. Hope people now will donate to devs who is actually developing and showing actions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Scyke:
Devs like Romanbb, Whitehawkx, and faux123 would be a great addition to our forums
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] AllTheWay:
Great can we close this this thread now. It serves no purpose.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ahmarchi:
I talked to faux and he said he would glady develop for the note uf be had one..hes a stand.up guy and played a.HUGE role on the atrix even working blind on it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bluetoothless:
He should donate it to Designgears. He is source of Cognition, Perception, and most of recent Samsung official/unofficial leaks. He has own donation link on WWW.ponack/designgears towards an AT&T NOTE.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kornklown69:
how do i know thats his hmmmmm lmao
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] djxcee:
Because he posted that link on his twitter....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dcfella:
He should definitely donate it. It would be messed up if he sold it and made a profit from a phone he got through donations for Gnote developement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] twistedvision76:
I would donate to faux without a doubt
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] s1mpd1ddy:
Faux123 kernels are great. If he releases one for us ill be happy to donate
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bluetoothless:
Still waiting for the new leak/love he hinted about on Friday...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Coffinfeeder:
So much for donating to faux. At least people will live and learn about who/when to donate to.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
That is terrible. He should donate to Design gears.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Sinful Animosity:
Well he's taking offers via pm. What a prick.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bbgt2:
Wow

Remember people, only hookers and lawyers demand money up front.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Immolate:
I'm trying to think of an angle where taking a donated phone and then selling it two weeks later would be justifiable. Nobody is obliged to develop for a specific phone, or for any phone. But if you receive a phone gratis and find it not to your liking, you are definitely obligated to hand it off to someone who is willing to develop. This isn't a twenty dollar donation.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jonyang:
Horrible
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
I twitted DG this thread to see if he can talk to M&S to donate to him.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] babyfacedkayos:
Let the church say AMEN
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
The thing is that the people who donated to get this phone for him feel screwed out of their money. And rightfully so. It's not that he's in over his head, he said he just doesn't like the phone. In my eyes, the phone is not his to sell. It should be given to a developer who will work on development for our phones. (The whole reason the phone was donated to him to begin with). This makes me sick and also gives XDA a bad name. This developer DOES NOT deserve our respect. Would you do something like this?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] andysubie:
I knew this was going to happen!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sweetboy02125:
I know. The first day after he received the phone "oh I'm so excited to have awesome phone, you will see new ROM sometimes next week, then oh this is the ****test phone I have so far, EBAY soon." What an a**. You know what ** stand for?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] b3asty:
I don't know M & S beyond his mention in this thread but if the two instances line up he has proven to be a low life beyond subterranean proportions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Coffinfeeder:
Think of it this way guys: this I717 forum is much better off without someone like him.

That still doesn't help the people he screwed out of donations though :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
People will still consider him a great developer. It's like someone said in another thread, XDA is pro developer

This thread will be closed because we're talking about a developer in a bad way because he screwed these members. Although he deserves it 100%. Watch.

All I know is I hope that I never get a phone he is developing on.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zonyl:
If It was truly a donation, he is justified in doing whatever he wants with it.

If you want total control then next time loan the phone to a Dev instead. If I remember correctly someone loaned an HTC evo 4g to Steve Kondick, so he was able to port cm6 to it. That works just as well. If the Dev comes through then donate it to them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
We understand the first point but he agreed that the phone was donated to him to develop for this phone. That is my understanding. It wasn't donated to him just so that he could have a Note, sell it, and keep the profit. In other words it's free money for him. I'm sure that's not what the donators agreed to.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kornklown69:
my guess is he cant do anything with the software so he feels threatened by it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jonyang:
Lame..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DAGr8:
Whoa i wasn't talking about him. And i would not ask for anything upfront ever. I have been bashed for telling ppl to stop donate upfront right here on this very forum.

to ask for money is wrong in the first place and i said the exact same thing you are saying in a thread that got locked..

All im saying is users should donate as gratitude not expecting something in return this way nobody feels bad. .
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DAGr8:
Double post
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] appdroid:
Hey man U willing to help?????
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
I'm sorry. you took what I said wrong We're lucky to have you working on this phone. I've tried every rom and keep coming back to yours. When I said the developer didn't deserve respect from us, I meant him. Nothing was geared towards you
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zonyl:
My understanding is that a donation does not come with conditions of it's use, otherwise I would call that compensation or "prepayment" for services rendered.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
You guyz been robbed

I bet he pawns it and gets a new SG3 probly never intended to dev for it to begin with just took your donation laughed at you and called you sucka:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bluetoothless:
Maybe "not quite" in legalese, but believe it's safe to assume that was the sole purpose/expectation=(development) of everyone that donated. Also believe that in the long run this will hurt all developers' income so their inner circle may want to consider a "code red".
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] schrochem:
Well it's not a legal decision because there was not legal agreement. So he can do what he wants.

Having said that, it is a moral decision.

Anyone with an ounce of respect would do the right thing.

I guess he feels there is some sort of entitlement that justifies his actions.

I see it as completely disrespectful and dishonorable.

In popular culture terms this is where the use of the word 'douche' comes into play.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kaishi00:
well, what do you call the money you give to charity? donations right? and you expect them to do what they say they're going to do with it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] unibomber:
At the end of the day you live and learn. If M&S was a stand up guy, he would just pass the phone off to another dev. If not, then you all have witnessed a "fool me once , shame on me" scenario.

pretty sad situation.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpg71:
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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zonyl:
What exactly does United Way / Goodwill / etc. do with their donations?! Did they pay one of their executive bonuses with it that didnt deserve it? What control do you feel you have when donating to a charity? Usually when I give to charity I dont benefit in any direct way. Thus expecting someone to port a ROM for me with a "donation" doesnt seem right.

Further, Ill counter with another question: How does a developer receive gratis and not have to deal with managing peoples expectations?

I have been offered a lot of donations over the years and simply have to refuse them. Not because I wouldnt like to be acknowledged but because there doesnt seem to be a way to receive anything in thanks without hurting someones feelings.

If you have expectations from someone make it clear that it isnt donation and that you expect something in return for yourself.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wase4711:
way too much over analyzation going on about this..

folks donated, so someone could get a note, with the express expectations to use it to develop on this phone; Dev decides he doesn't like phone, the PROPER thing to do would be to donate it to a Dev who wants to Develop for this phone, NOT to sell it and pocket the money..

bad karma follows people who blatantly make bad decisions...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] unibomber:
lmfao hahaha
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kornklown69:
agreed so everyone fill his inbox up and ask for this
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kaishi00:
no, you call it a donation because you expect it to do good for the community, in our case, development for the note, for charities, it would be to help the homeless or whatever cause they're championing. that is what you expect for either of those cases. you can't call it prepayment for a service because others that have not and will not donate also benefits from people that did donate. the people that donated isn't paying for a product in the same sense as commissioning a piece of artwork from an artist. there's a big difference here.

about your specific examples of what those charities do with their donations, that is irrelevant. there are bad ones and there are good ones, they're not supposed to be pocketing donations, that's not what's expected of them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
I just sent him a pm to donate it to Design Gears.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] s1mpd1ddy:
curious to get the OP's thoughts on this, where has he been?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borgib:
I sent him the following PM. I think it's important to keep everything civil and respectful.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Bataga:
:p

Working on his next scam on the SGSII community.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Theoriginalgiga:
I agree with everyone who's been upset with this whole situation. But at the same time it was a donation, not a development purchased phone that is loaned. He has all rights to do with the device as he will.

On a personal note, I think that the money which was spent on this phone and the time wasted on this developer could have been put to use to our current devs who have been working ever so hard to get us to where we are. to essentially pay someone to develop for a phone that they don't have (buying them the phone) without an agreement is just plain silly. I feel for all of you who were suckered by this person because he was a good dev for another phone. I hope this gets resolved, but until then I'll keep supporting our current devs and when I do jump to a custom rom, I know exactly where my money will be going, to someone who put in the work already to this device.

Again, sorry to all of you who were bitten by this snake.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
Exactly, why would I want to donate to developers now on XDA if this is how the developers treat the people who donate? I'm not saying this is how all the developers are but it certainly give XDA a bad rep.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
I'm surprised a mod hasn't given M&S an infraction or an outright ban. If he is going to sell it for a profit and keep the money that is outright fraud. I say "if" because we have not heard his side of the story yet....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] connordroid:
Forget about what he has the "right" to do etc. Plain and simple. What he did was not right. Its sad really. I guess a lesson was taught, do not donate to someone BEFORE they produce something. It also makes the op look like an ass...unless he was part of it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
because he's a developer. That would never happen.. They're right no matter what. I learned that lesson on the Noteworthy rom thread
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esincho:
Read the rules
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
what do they state?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esincho:
Number 8 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=726334
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Wow!

Number 1 my thread got closed before I made any real money. I made like 30$. DaGr8 trolled it and it was closed.

JFigure actually went and got me the phone a few days later and said I could sell it. So stop private messaging me!

You don't believe me then ask him!

I made a GB and an ICS ROM, gave theming templates to my team for them to theme it and everything. They didn't want the NOTE anymore and since Figure actually got the phone for me its no crime for me to sell it. Like I said you can private message him and ask him hoe I got the phone. My bounty was closed in 1 day with a total of 30$. 20 came from Jeet which I know, we talk all the time, the other ones came from 2 5$ donations. So did you all really get me the device? No...I wish you all knew the facts before making assumptions trying to make me look like I scammed you all.

Believe me I did my part like I said, I made my ROMs and I even talked to appdroid last night and he asked for my ROMs since I NEVER RELEASED THEM...I'll even upload both of them tonight to him... matter of fact I'll take a picture of the completed ROMs on my PC...with the dates next to them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] djxcee:
Instead of selling why not pass it on to another developer? The phone and money isn't yours....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Some chatter from FB about it....dates Included
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esincho:
Sure it is
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Yes it is...the donation bounty only reached 30$

The OP even says how he got me the phone...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Did any of you read this?

No...You all did not

I rest my case
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Skizzy034:
$250 is well above the $30 that M&S claims
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
In our group ADT..we all put our money in

I even put in 100$

I said 30$ from the bounty thread...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpg71:
Thanks for sharing your side of the story. Seems like everything is in order then.

As for reading the OP, yes I did. And you even quoted the part that I wanted clarity on:

"Several of you on XDA donated to myself and Master&Slave directly."

If those donations had nothing to do with the phone and assumed development effort, then it's all good. If those donations were the $30 from the bounty, then again, it's all good.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jrocivxx:
wow you guys are insane to think he scammed you guys. I know for a fact he didnt rip you off..all of what m&s says is legit. As for all of you guys whining like your allowed too.you guys were lucky to have this guy work on your phone. I'm also glad he sold it and will not be developing for you no reading unappreciative fuc*s.I cannot believe you people on here talking **** about this guys when you have no idea. Like m&s said get your facts str8 before running your faces.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Bataga:
Are you the Master or the Slave?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jeet92:
I was the $20 and I'll pay anyone else who donated for the device and can prove it. So stop beating on M&S. Get me proof and I'll get it checked out with M&S and if you did donate I'll refund you. As for why selling it. As M&S stated majority came from figure and he was asked before it was sold so please don't act like the money came out of your pocket.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Exactly bro, i didnt even know what was going on here until i got a PM with the link and to my surprise i was being bashed...Appdroid will get Both of my ROMs tomorrow...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jrocivxx:
I'm not trying to have a back and forth discussion and flame a thread that is already pointless. Enjoy your note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
More proof that jfigure got me the phone and I put 100$ and I did work on the phone and I wasn't holding it to sell

P.S bounty thread was already closed at this time. I didn't ask anyone to further donate after it was. People in ADT wanted me to have the phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JFigure:
this is the TRUTH.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] evil1art:
i know for a fact that the rom was built! I have it on my pc! I was going to theme it but sold my note cause the phone sucks! And I still could theme it blind if I wanted too.

For all you people claiming to have donated show proof! I know who he got the phone from and how it was aquired! So...... post your screen shots of the so called donations made with dates if you can!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpg71:
Dude, chill - the facts are out, end of story. This is why there was a lot of "Ifs" and "assumings" stated here along with "can the OP provide an update" or "can someone reach out to M&S".

Yeah, some individuals probably could've had a bit more finesse with their responses, but as with everything on the internet, and XDA included, there are alot of people who complain and whine for no reason. No need to lump us all into that category.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] s1mpd1ddy:
lol - more drama then a soap opera
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Facts were posted and confirmed by the OP so can we get this closed?

No point in people crying over nothing.

I apologize for any confusion in the situation but you people should really "ask" before you "assume". You see my reputation, i've never been known as a scammer and never will be.

Thank you all and have a nice day
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
One last photo proving that I did make A ROM...this is the Gingerbread ROM Rendition|One

My ICS ROM Objection|One is on my SD card and not listed here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] otter23:
Thanks for the update. Sorry you didn't care for the note. Please don't let the negative response stop you from supporting your rom after its release
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
Appdroid will get my bases which were built with the help of DaGr8.

They are very slim and I hope he keeps my samee vision of slimness
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] littlewierdo:
Maybe I missed it, just curious why you didnt like the phone?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Master&Slave™:
1. The size - I felt like Samsung forgot that the Note was still a phone

2. Hardware - Screen was beautiful but the internals nope. It was nothing but a big Galaxy S II(SkyRocket). The phone was very laggy and you would have to OC and Sacrifice battery just to get some smoothness. Should have shipped with international hardware.

3. Stylus - The whole pen-touch thing died with windows for a reason, need I say more?

:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] O_G:
Thread Closed​

Donations are just that, you cant expect anything from them. I will close this thread to keep the peace!​