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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] deathknellx:
I agree that Devs should have their threads the way they like. If I were a Dev I would enjoy the back and forth with the people who use my rom. Not just bug reports. If this stays this way then I think the T-mobile sgsii will just die in xda. All the Devs will leave because of Heavy handed Mods who only see things in Black an White. M&S forget what they want and do your thing.

Repect to the Devs :-)

Sometimes I like to have conversation with a few users, sometimes we makes jokes and I enjoy that. I dont care if people say thank you to me, it makes me feel like I did a great job, etc...

This type of decision should only be made by the OP of a thread in the DEV section.

I dont want to post anything new If I cant have the same control over my thread as I used to.

M&S[/QUOTE]
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
No worries MS

it has nothing to do with you

We are trying to enforce this now, to make the children use their head and post in the proper section, and use the SEARCH button instead of posting wherever they feel like without reading the stickies or looking to see if the same or similar topic is already posted

more than a dozen occasion you can find duplicated posting of the same thing just 2 post above or few post below, all still on the 1st page of the forum :rolleyes:

hope you get our drift
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] oldfield16:
Could certainly say the same for you Jim.

Racing chose to do it that way, that's his call. Maintain it how you want, you're the author

M&S wants to run things the same way he had been but has now been told he can't. Unless you think he mismanages all his threads, he should be allowed to control things how he wants and get a mod only when necessary, no?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zander21510:
I think the mods just had to do something...they had to go gung-ho to try to wrestle this forum into control. I feel like they wouldn't mind, probably encourage developers to handle their threads as they see fit and ask for mod intervention. I say if M&S's method, or any dev's management method works to his satisfaction, no mod that is reasonable should force him to change his way of doing things. The ICS threads were out of control and developers/users asked for a solution from the mods.

Sometimes you have to kill the riot with teargas and batons to get things back to normal...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
I am not bothering with original content. I bet you missed that posts because you skimmed op then went to posting.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] eugene373:
well I know each there own... But I kinda like the idea of this. Cracks down on chit chat & leaves the Dev. forum strictly for Dev'n..

now before I shoot myself in the foot, here's why...

over the past years we all have seen a rapid decline in xda with flaming and so forth..

even though it's a bit much at time, we " I " can't be mad at the mods for this, as they have to take a stand at some point no?

well, just consider my words ;)

~Eugene
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] avarize:
I think part of my liking about the actually saying thank you is that it's seen. No one looks at the tiny box at the bottom of the post that says "frank says thanks".. That's so impersonal.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] oldfield16:
No I saw it, but were you not the one who quoted me in the first place and acted as though I challenged your point? If you look at the top of page two you can actually see I was agreeing with that particular post. Do not associate me with the mindless drabble who cares not to read beyond the OP, the condescending attitude you're taking is unnecessary.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
Its hard to take the "I agree but disagree" as seriously. I have no idea what you believe when you are self contradicting.

The q and a threads allow one to thank away inifinitely.

thanks Eugene for more dev input. Who knows maybe people can change and we could become one of the device forums that has to get policed less than the average forum instead of more. Hell ,maybe some of the devs that already left will come back.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] oldfield16:
Words in mouth a bit much? Please point out my "contradiction" Almighty crusader of forum rules sir!

I wasn't gonna get Lippy but your attitude really needs to stop.

Edit: ya know what? This is silly. We're arguing over a misinterpretation. I'm out, sorry for stirring the pot
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Dan_Brutal:
Here's a novel idea, how about the OP decides if they want a second thread.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
that's exactly what we are trying to avoid

and bring back the helpful user base

we just wrote an article about it on the front page http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...on-of-technology-is-this-a-good-or-bad-thing/

less tech savvy users are getting way too used to the simple and easy stuff, and just keep on asking and asking before looking, even when most of the time the answer is right in front of them
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
I say just keep the DEV section ROM threads closed. Only allow the Dev's to update them with download links / information / and updates. That way no one will spam the thread. Then if they have a question they can go ask in the Q&A section. Simple as that. I dont mind the seeing the "thanks you's" and the "downloading now's" but the questions should really be asked in the Q&A. My personal thoughts..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Great post on the front page.

I cant act like I dont get annoyed by the constant asking of the same question, but If it keeps me running my thread the way I want, then idc as much anymore.

The MODs had to do something, well maybe a more thought out decision would have been better.

Maybe a new system, perhaps a forced stay on the OP when visiting a thread for the first time. A forced stay of 25 secs minimum to make sure people read it.

As DEVs we should create a FAQ post and have the answers there.

FAQ links should be posted in our Signatures. If anyone asks a question, the only answer givin should be the link to the FAQ and if the Question was not asked and answered in the FAQ, then they can post it in the thread.

Catch my drift?...New but Old innovative ideas that would be a + on the community as a whole.

M&S
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] fatboy547:
I say recruit jim to be a mod cuz lets just say he's trying damn hard to be one
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] wetrabbit444:
Nail on the head
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jonathan3579:
Trying to be one doesn't make one...nor does it make a good one.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] relldroid:
Its true people do use the thanks button but saying thanks says more you know? funny how mods can encourage using "search" but find it necessary to clean devs threads from appreciative comments as if someone can't search for a solution or bug if the don't feel like going through page after page in a thread. That's what search is for after all, for the convenience of finding things. Double posting should be moderated without warning by all means. But letting devs know we are grateful to them in "their" thread should not be judged by anyone but the OP himself.

Relldroid for president :thumbup:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
I was flaming mods when M&S and xboarder got banned but the mods are right on this one. I am not going to argue for the right to spam devs development threads that is just retarded especially when you have xraver, eugene, and racing agreeing that its as good as time as any to clamp as any.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Jim i know you care and all and thats great, i like to see passion like that but i feel like it should be optional, Me and dan feel this way you kno.

M&S
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] nikmel420:
in my humble opinion if Master&slave wants to close his threads he has all the right to. they're his threads. his work. his Decision.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
You are right the devs should ideally be able to control their threads but because the ICS threads people are pretty much complaining that they should be able to do the exact same thing in all dev threads which clearly doesnt allow for dev control.

M&S look at this thread some people say the want it to be optional but then choose not to respect when racing has a "q and a" thread for q and a and the reason they use for not respecting it is that they feel because they do the same thing in other devs threads like yours its fine to do it on his thread. It would be awesome if they could just take responsibility but rather they just say "well if I can do in this devs thread why cant I do it on his thread". If they really cared about it being optional they would respect it when that option is taken by other devs.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] narlynarwhal:
The op should decide how he or she wants their thread to be. I'm sure raver and racing weren't bugged by the "thank you" posts as much as the 5 "what works and what's broken" posts per page. I like being recognized for things I have done. Everyone does. For the mods to go and tell all the devs to create a q and a thread is a little ridiculous when only 2 or three threads need it. But honestly, with how much *****ing everyone has been doing about ics, this should have been expected.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] aranurea:
Best idea I heard. I'm not trolling you. Why can't mods let devs police their own forums? Its not all mods, but only the few who do what they think is right whether it is or not. Without devs, there would not be any need for mods, really. Let devs ask for help from mods like Racing did and let devs choose what they want to see in their threads.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
Anyways guys, back to what M&S was saying

We are not forcing DEVs to run 2 threads for their DEV works, but we are strongly recommending to follow the standards, to avoid newbs getting the wrong idea "if i can do that here, i can do it on the other topic too" sort of thing.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] aranurea:
He says he has to. Which one is it? I'm not challenging you or anything, I just want this situation to be as clear as possible.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Dan_Brutal:
Well I got the impression that its mandatory from the pm I got. I have never had any problem policing and keeping my threads under control, even back in the wild vibrant days. All gamer, you know for a fact that the vibrant days were 10x worse then here.

Sent from my frozen Vibrant.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] aaronuser:
A FREAKIN-MEN. About time a Developer speaks his peace. Couldn't agree with you more.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Im glad this stopic is staying open, and im happy to see people voicing their opinions in a friendly fashion.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] wetrabbit444:
Yay for the first amendment!!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] defconoi:
Honestly the mods are ruining the development on this device. Never once since I've had a g1 has the mods been so rediculous.

They are killing the moral. Making the devs and users look in two different places creating more work for the devs and users, also now we gotta search two threads for relevent info. If u get butt hurt over flames/spam/offtopic posts frewkn deal with it or have a ignore/mute/hide post function in the forum code. This is getting rediculous and i don't blame devs for not wanting to post roms here.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
if everyone followed the rules from the getgo, they wouldn't need to search so much in 2 places

they will only go direct to the DEV topic for important info which will not be buried under tons of irrelevant comments.

what we are doing is exactly to diminish as much of that clutter as possible

Non DEV related comments & chatters will be redirected to General

it waste everyones time to read through 50 pages only to find 1 or 2 postings that actually contains important data that relates to the actual Development
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Watcher64:
I don't always agree with the MODs , usually never, but in this case I would have to support them, People blame the MODs for getting more strict, I blame the general lack of common sense and respect ....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Micronads:
First amendment allows you to speak out against the government without reprisal. It has nothing to do with a privately owned and operated forum. You can't go into a crowded movie theater and yell fire, and then claim you have the right to free speech. Just a heads up.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] sarni84:
I'm sure he knows that...calm down killa don't get all ricki lake on us
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] enserio:
Best **** ever that cats blame mods and feel they should be able to post utter garbage as they damn please. Real cool for those of us that use a thank you button and post in bugtrackers. Clutter **** up as you please, go right ahead.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] mezster:
In the spirit of m&s wanting both control over content of his thread and also seeking new, innovative ways of doing things I have a suggestion. Once a person is granted dev status it should come with a sort of junior mod ability where devs can police their own threads by deleting posts they deem unnecessary or unwanted. This would help solve the issue of people irreverently posting in dev threads and grant devs the freedom they deserve.

I'm not saying there won't be abuse of any kind, of course they are still moderated themselves - just not with the blank blank blank blank ( mod edit for poor choice of words)

Just my opinion, flame at will :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] snowcrash-73:
Let's not be too hard on the mods here. Ravers AOSP ICS post was somewhat confusing, and huge numbers of "noobs" foaming at the mouth for ICS resulted in a huge mess. We ALL should think before we post. The mods were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Basically, if you want to be a part of this community,

#1 READ, UNDERSTAND, & FOLLOW THE RULES.

#2 READ then SEARCH.

#3 if you as a dev or noob, post a question or statement, do so in a CLEAR, CONSICE, & RESPECTFUL manner.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
-Its never this easy sadly
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Racing19969:
M&S

The only reason I started a Q&A Thread is because my thread was shut down because of all the Q&A getting posted in it. I understand that it was quite crazy but what did they expect when ICS Finally dropped.

We have all been waiting and wanting this for some time now...

Just as an example... In my second thread alone My Port has been downloaded 1,128 times in 2 days.

I re-posted a new thread and a Q&A thread because I was asked by the Moderators to do so in a private E-mail.

I agree that we should be able to control our threads and Contact a Mod if things are getting out of hand...

Having 2 different threads to search through so I can work on Updating my Rom is just not going to work. I will spend more time reading posts than actually working on my updates..

I guess what I am saying is I feel the mods jumped the gun a bit. Once ICS dropped and we all got the excitement out of ourselves, The threads have slowed down and more pertinent information is being posted... Hopefully things can get back to normal and we can get some good roms out of this...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Hey at least you feel how I feel.

I dont think im above the law when I say this but im not opening parallel threads in a seperate section just because the MODs might be upset at what has happened over the course of the past week.

I just refuse to do so, things have calmed down but the foot on the neck action so far has been a little to much IMO.

I was extremely mad when I got that message.

M&S
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] minotauri:
this idea is great.

my two cents: when you signed up to join xda, you stated that you would follow the rules set by the forum and yada yada, so one can just say... deal with what's given to you. the rules clearly state to not stray off topic, not spam, use search, etc etc.

that said, there's definitely been a lot of leeway given and i feel like it has come to a point of near chaos on this forum. i think something had to be done and i back the mods up to an extent here. i think they made a great move by closing down threads, cleaning them up and laying down some ground rules (ones that already existed unfortunately). I don't think have two separate required threads is necessary or preferred by any means if everything is being followed to an extent. The occasional lapse of judgement is fine, but the amount of spam and garbage in this forum in the weeks and days, and hours leading up to the ICS roms was out of control.

a revolution needs to occur sometimes for progress.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] ElectricBubble:
Agreed BTW way love your roms. Sound qaulty is insanely better then any other. Your roms make room virtualsation actually work. I got Tuesday flashed right now. Love your work M&S keep it up.

=)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] noellenchris:
Well many of the Mods here are not that bad actually, they have been Dev's/Helpful members etc. I've been on the otherside of the fence too once and can tell you that being a MOD is usually a thankless job. I've been searched out, had emails sent to my personal accounts etc. you name it and it's happened. This is how things turn bad; ie. The other day the T-Mobile SGSII threads received about 50 or so PM's/Reported Posts from many different members about all kinds of stuff. It was like the members were on the warpath! We couldn't keep up, I mean there are only a few MODs assigned to this thread and of those few usually only 1 available at a time. So the unfortunate MOD spend hours closing and cleaning threads, closing out the Reports, reading entire threads etc. I can tell you this process and waste of time doesn't make you very joyfull. In the end were all working to keep the threads "Search friendly" (which seems impossible lately) and also try to keep everyone getting along. My point is that this has happened a lot lately and then to also get misunderstood and called names really stinks.

If the Dev's who started the threads got to see all the Reported posts and had to clean their threads, they'd never get to take care of the development side. So I think the MODs keeping the extra work off their backs is not that bad. I did like the ideas and the Moderator Committee is always trying new was to handle things.

The last thing I can say is that, on the other Forums that i've moderated for (HD2 etc) once the MODs and Dev's were working well together the forum really flow's and is fantastic. Just an observation....:P

Noellenchris

XDA Forum MOD
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zelendel:
In the end. It is our job to keep the forum clean and on point. If you have a problem with this then I am sorry. But in until you try to keep a forum with over 4 million members on point you can not understand what we go through on a daily basis. We have rules and things set up the way they are to keep things neat and tidy. With the 10 post rule in place keeping a Q&A thread as well helps cut down on the extra threads being posted about rom issues. Most threads are left alone until they are reported or until a mod does the rounds and sees an issue.

Now I have seen a large amount of people complaining about how the site is run. You read the rules when you joined and if you didn't then that is your fault. Remember this is not your site to do with as you see fit.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] ElectricBubble:
Ya but give the op's some power over there threads. They deserve it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Watcher64:
Problem is, not sure your 10 post rule is being enforced, I have seen and I am sure others have seen quite a few people under 10 posts , posting in the dev section .., I have even reported a few in the past ... Personally I think it should be more like a 50 post rule ......
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zelendel:
They do have power. The same power you do. To point people to the right threads. Anything more then that is not gonna happen. Now while I respect the work some Devs do it seems that the whole point is being lost. This forum is not about popularity, getting people to use your roms or any other reason then to share knowledge and help people learn to do these things on their own.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zelendel:
We are working on this. In the end helping these people by pointing them to the proper area goes along way.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Watcher64:
Problem, is, not that most of us mind pointing them in the right direction, but we end up getting abused for it ...

We get accused of playing MODs

Being on Power Trips ...

yada yada and so forth ..

So after a while we get tired of it ... (not as much as the MODs do I am sure)

So most of the time it is easier to answer their stupid question, which in turn just leads to cluttering up the threads , so kind of a catch 22 ..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zelendel:
Feel free to point them in the right direction. If they decide to go off at the mouth feel free to PM me. Everyone that know me knows I hold a zero tolerance for flaming of any kind. I normally check the forums and pms many times a day.

There are a few problems I see. The first being a lot of new members come here thinking this is a rom and support forum. Which it is not. And the feeling of entitlement. People feel entitled to updates and the ability to say what ever they feel. Both are very wrong.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Yes!!!!...Ive been around longer then my sign up date, I had a previous account which was replaced by my current one...

There was a time where I was never annoyed at all by people but in this section....

:facepalm:

I trust that you guys make a turn around.

Dont get me wrong, I just felt that some of my rights as an OP were being taken away.

M&S
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] ElectricBubble:
Nvr felt I had the right that's why I always try and show my gradtuid and plan on donating to some development in the futer. That video for the rules is brillante BTW cause almost no 1 reads instructions anymore. With that they'll at least end up with some idea of what to do. Any way I appreciate the avaliblty of xda and its info and roms. Now I can love my phone even more :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zelendel:
No one is trying to take that from you but you must understand. The type of people that are now coming to XDA has changed with the influx of Android. No longer is it just the techies that come here. Now ever child and their mothers are getting smartphones. Then they see a video of something and think it is cool so they want to do it. Even though they have no need or understanding of it. With this comes the need for how we do things. I personally started the the From Q&A threads when I had a captivate and saw the hundreds of threads everyday that popped up. So I set up the Q&A for each rom. It worked so well that I have done the same for current device. This helps new members help each other ( which is a huge point of XDA) while keeping the dev threads for development based talks. And letting the devs work. Instead of a hundred posts cluttering it up. On coin issues or tons of threads being posted.