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[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
the first one gives a great review of the 300. but I'm mad they still gave it only a 6.5 out of 10. i told people there was more to ips vs super ips+ than just screen brightness. colors more vibrant. it has a higher contrast ratio making images and videos look more sharp n crisp. regardless I'm over this whole is prime better than 300 deal. both have their positives and negatives. their both asus tablets. meaning they are family. so I'm happy for the 300 being well received, like the prime was. it is a great value. IMO i would still get the prime as it has the most features or bang for buck. but who cares. if someone was looking for a fresh new tab with limited funds, I'd say go for the 300. if you have the extra cash and want the highest specs/features, go for the prime.

I'd recommend an Asus tablet, no matter which one, over another manufacturer one. Asus does make some great tablets and now the industry and tech sites are really realizing this. Asus is going in with guns blazing in this tablet market.

edit: there were some other differences pointed out in those reviews. 300 has f2.2 8mp cam vs. prime f2.4 8mp cam with flash. plus those reviews so far show it not having as good battery life. then we know the 300 dock doesn't add as much battery life as the prime also.

id still say go with asus over acer. even at acer price point. acer wont have the company or xda support like asus tablets have. plus no dock for those who love the transformer docks. over all im impressed with 300. would i sell my prime to downgrade to one? hell nah..lol but its still a great value when you factor in everything, including the dock. having no dock is what will kill the acer model. i think people will choose 300 over that. plus with acer never having been a popular model anyways wont help it. i do have to admit this seems to be acer best tablet model to date. im just glad tegra3 is finally starting to spread throughout android market. its still considered the best android chip.

why does engadget love to hate on android, in general? lol
[Transformer TF300T General] cmjkxa:
I was really excited for the 300 but the reviews keep emphasizing that it is "just a watered down prime". It's making me doubt my decision. :(
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
its still great though. you have to expect the 300 model to not have as much features or highest specs or as good build quality as prime. this is to make the price point they are shooting for. its really about how much you want to spend. 300 is a watered down prime but that doesnt mean its not a good tablet. it shouldnt be a surprise thats its watered down. it doesnt have as good battery life in tablet and dock. it isnt made out of aluminum to make it thin and light. it doesnt have the highest clocked tegra3. but to some people, they might not care about all that. they will look at it being more affordable. which is fair and perfectly fine.

if you have the money to spend, id say get a prime. if you trying to save money and sacrifice some features/specs, get the 300. if you want a tablet with no dock and no company history report of supporting their devices, get an acer. i can almost guareentee the asus tablets will be updated to latest firmwares far more sooner and frequent than acer. plus xda support wont be as large.

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wow, this is why i like Anandtech reviews , its more detailed. here is something people didn't know. 300 GPU CLOCK ONLY RUNS AT 400 MHZ COMPARED TO PRIME 520MHZ. hmm...this might be crucial to gamers and media buffs who want best performance. I'm still reading review but thought this was a very important detail.

he also is finding no real benefit in performance or battery life from the 300 ddr3 ram except in one test possibly. the ddr3 ram hints more of a need in new infinity tablet due to higher res. display.

the 300 seems to have vsync turned off, which makes it perform better on power savings mode. as soon as vsync is cut on, performance drops in these lower power modes. another thing he pointed out was that the 300 uses a less efficient display which contributes to less battery life. for comparison the brightness on 300 needed to be at 60-70% to achieve same brightness nits as prime at 40% brightness.

one thing that was pointed out that ill admit is 300 wifi performance does seem better than prime based on his comparison chart. this is good to know although many peoples prime perform just fine in wifi department. the 300 does have its faults and drawbacks but overall seems like a great device. So id say this is another success on Asus part. They are really coming up in Android. my next tab will be an asus. im waiting till q4 this year or q1 next year when new asus transformer with tegra4 will be announced and released ;)

on the enagdget review, in the comments, apple lovers are back hating on any and everything android. lol do they ever give it a rest?
[Transformer TF300T General] clouds5:
Yeah dude, thats what everyone has been telling since it was first announced ;) Its still a great device but it has lower specs/price than the prime.
[Transformer TF300T General] Dandarebr:
Any news on the 3G or 4G LTE versions? Is the 3G version already available?
[Transformer TF300T General] smarcisin:
Where can I buy this in store? I need a new tablet since some jerk stole my HP touchpad
[Transformer TF300T General] htcplussony:
I liked that Anandtech review.

Always though Azurewave was some crap no brand chip Asus put in the Prime to save money and didn't know it was a rebranded Broadcom wifi/bluetooth chip.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
no word on it yet. possibly delayed. it was never specified which chipset this version would be using. if its going to use a lower clocked s4, then we know its delayed due to qualcomm announcing manufacturing delays and problems with 28nm process. they publicly announced they wont be able to meet demand this year and newer phones and tablets to use that chip will have to find another chipset solution. it is possible Asus is trying to decide what chipset to use. they could pair the tegra 3 with the icera radio that nvidia owns. so everything is really up in the air now as far as lte 300 & infinity pad goes.
[Transformer TF300T General] Dandarebr:
Wait. Did I miss that? The TF 300 doesn't have any USB port on the tablet or it just doesn't have a full USB?
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
it has a full size usb port on the dock. the acer 510 doesnt have a full size usb port on it also. it only has a mini usb. which you will need an adapter to make full size. the same adapter can be bought for the 300 thats a 40 pin to usb adapter.

so really u didnt miss anything because neither tablet has a full size usb port on them. the dock has one on it though. along with a battery inside for longer battery life and a full size SD card slot.

plus a full size usb on a dock is the better solution anyways.
[Transformer TF300T General] ostizzle:
Asus makes great tablets? That's why I had to buy three before I found one that worked properly and didn't have a major cosmetic defect? That's why people are experiencing cracked screens, no GPS signal, wifi/bluetooth dropout, random reboots, random freezes, sleep of death, and poor digitizer performance?

I, for one, will never buy another Asus product. Their quality control, software, and design is ****.
[Transformer TF300T General] rushless:
What the 300 review tells me is two things: If radio reception is key, the 300 is the obvious choice. On the other hand, if at least the wifi was solid on the Prime, the extra $100 would be well spent for a better display and battery life.

Prime is literally a plastic panel away from greatness.
[Transformer TF300T General] tnimk:
Read some of the reviews, but none mentioned the microsd slot size. Does anyone know if a microsd card will sit flush in the tf300 like the tf101 or if it protrudes out like the prime?
[Transformer TF300T General] Dandarebr:
But both asus 300 and acer 510 have micro USB port on the tablet itself, right?
[Transformer TF300T General] rushless:
The Acer 510 does have USB and ships with the needed adapter, but the catch is that is also the charging port, so no charging and data at same time. Some cool things though is the USB is a full powered USB port so even powers 1tb drives and works fine with NTSF format. Game controllers work well with it too. Both verified in the Mobiletech review.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
with adapter or dock same goes for prime and should be 300 also. we've been had people hook up 1tb drives and such to the prime.. along with game controllers and other USB devices. so the acer one being full powered or able to hook controllers to it is nothing new to prime. plus a USB port on actual tablet will be awkward and will stress the port. I'd rather have my port on the dock. but anyone with a prime or 300 can have a full size & full powered USB port if they get the adapter. they both use adapters either way.

then the huge drawback, like you said is no charging and using USB port at the same time on the Acer. that USB port will drain the battery so fast trying to power usb devices, its not even funny. at least with prime or 300 dock, we can have the dock and tablet charging at the same time. then add in the fact we have an extra battery and full size SD card slot and Asus is the winner in versatility.
[Transformer TF300T General] jblah:
we should compare the tablet to the tablet..not the tablet to the tablet+dock. the acer seems nice. it does come with the adapter and not something separate that you need to buy. for both of the tablets you cannot charge it while having an external hd connected.

update: i agree with you that asus wins by versatility if you are willing to spend more $ for accessories. but the standard tablet between the two is still a hard decision for me. i'm waiting for the local stores to get it so i can go play with it.
[Transformer TF300T General] bimmerboii:
My choice of upgrade is between the A510 or the TF300.

One thing I didnt like about the Asus Transformer is the gameloft games support.. I have the original Transformer and I would always have to look for modded APK's to be able to install them. Is it the same for the Iconia?
[Transformer TF300T General] Dandarebr:
I am at Best Buy on 5th av and they told me that they only received one Pad 300. I think asus sent one tablet just to "launch" the tablet on the schedule. I don't think there will be many available.
[Transformer TF300T General] jblah:
i guess the launch date is just the "ship" date to the vendors. lets hope they don't mess it up with distribution. i want to get a white one..but i guess i'll have to wait for that.
[Transformer TF300T General] Dandarebr:
The status onde amazon still the same . They haven't started to ship the tablets yet. Probably just tomorrow...
[Transformer TF300T General] aznmode:
I'm wondering about gameloft support also. Seems acer is well supported at least when it came to the a500.
[Transformer TF300T General] BethyM:
Look forward to this. I'm a prime owner because Acer wouldn't confirm a release date and I got impatient. :) I'm curious how they compare as straight tablets since I don't plan to join the dock club and think they are worthy counterparts even without the dock.
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
>so really u didnt miss anything because neither tablet has a full size usb port on them. the dock has one on it though. along with a battery inside for longer battery life and a full size SD card slot.

The Acer has a micro-USB, but unlike other micro-USB ports, it supplies full USB power that can power regular USB peripherals (like USB HDDs). A full-size USB adapter is included in the box.

The Asus Transformer series has no USB on the tablet. You have to buy a $19 proprietary USB->40-pin adapter, which is bulky and unsightly, and highly susceptible to damage from an inadvertent bump. It's a deliberate omission, designed to upsell the dock.

The TF300 in actuality has same or lower battery capacity than the Acer, even with the dock. The A510's capacity is 36.2Whr (9.8Ah@3.7V). The TF300 is 22Whr for tablet + 16.5Whr for dock = 38.5Whr. But it is two separate batteries, with one charging the other, rather than be hooked up in parallel. The arrangement's inefficiency more than offsets the TF300's extra 2Whr.

Edit: Here's what the $19 Asus USB adapter looks like. Imagine this sticking out from the underside of the Asus tablet. Forget about putting it down some place, and if you bump the top or bottom side of the adapter with any amount of force, you can kiss the delicate 40-pin connector goodbye. That's if you're lucky. With enough torque, a downward hit can push the connector upward to damage the display panel--a point Dem the man has made himself recently.

http://www.excaliberpc.com/607966/asus-external-usb-adapter-for.html
[Transformer TF300T General] smarcisin:
who cares over a stupid usb plug...its all about unlocked bootloaders and community support with Android.....

i had a DX for last two years and even though it wasnt greatly loved my the normal consumer it had so much support on sites like this that made it great...

i just ordered my 300 strictly because its $100 less and it has gps built in....hardware is there and im sure will have custom roms to make it compete with the Prime....
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
>its all about unlocked bootloaders and community support with Android.....

Acer A510:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=25129832&postcount=83

Asus TF300:

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[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
point is they both use adapters. the Acer adapter is just as bulky and susceptible to damage from stress hanging from the port. plus the 300 dock gives it a huge advantage over Acer. the longer battery life , being able to charge at the same time while using USB ports, and a full size SD card. plus the fact of being a keyboard dock. so there is no inefficiency. that's how the dock battery was designed. to charge the tablet up. plus adding a usb hub and extra stuff is nothing new. both tablets need an adapter to do so. i don't need an adapter for prime because i have the dock now ;)

there's no need for pumping up the asus 300. its already being well received in the tech site reviews. Asus is higher up the food chain than acer. build quality of its tablets usually are better. Then add in the fact that the words "updates" & "asus" goes hand in hand. Acer is at the bottom when it comes to android tabs. this is the first time they made a decent one. Asus will always be seen as better than Acer based on its company support alone. there are plenty of stories in acer forum of the various devices falling apart and hardware buttons breaking on them.

plus people are concerned about looks also. Prime is the sexiest. but between the various colored 300 and acer, the 300 wins. plus this is an Asus/prime forum. of course the recommendation and points of features to support that will go to Asus. there's more features and stuff to be gained by going with asus and 300. price point wise, 300 will get it. people buying a dock don't just buy it for usb port. you get a great working keyboard, extra battery, full powered usb host capable port, full size sd card, and it functions as a stand and protector for the screen when closed.

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acer is already out in the wild. 300 is not. your point? neither new device has its own section yet. plus that link is just someone using an old a500 exploit on a 510. that's not anything new, developement wise.

what's really going to hurt acer is that they never sent out review units. everyone is already seeing how well received the 300 is on all major online tech sites.
[Transformer TF300T General] safarigirl:
They both look great the 300 and the acer a510! I'm set on waiting for the infinity but this acer ad is awesome! If I had not recently purchased the TF101 for interim use I would have definitely found this to be a hard decision. Hope you guys have fun choosing your next toy; TF300 or A510 oh my!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfVn8eJTa4&feature=player_embedded
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
>the Acer adapter is just as bulky and susceptible to damage from stress hanging from the port.

Yes, micro-USB (or micro-anything) ports are inherently delicate. But one simple way to alleviate it is to use right-angle adapters. A right-angle micro-USB adapter is $2.50 on eBay or $3 on Amazon, shipping included.

>plus the 300 dock gives it a huge advantage over Acer. the longer battery life , being able to charge at the same time while using USB ports, and a full size SD card

Obviously the dock confers certain advantages. Then again, that's why TF300 costs $550 with the dock, $100 over the Acer. My post already pointed out why the TF300 has no advantage over the Acer's battery even with the dock.

>there's no need for pumping up the asus 300. its already being well received in the tech site reviews. Asus is higher up the food chain than acer. build quality of its tablets usually are better.

From what I've read, TF300 "reviews" have been mixed. And lest we take them as gospel, perhaps we should recall back to the TF201 "reviews" and see how well those panned out, eh?

>plus people are concerned about looks also. Prime is the sexiest.

If people were so superficial that looks is paramount, then they would've stuck to iPads.

>acer is already out in the wild. 300 is not. your point?

The point is that the Acer is confirmed to be unlockable, with Fastboot support and without the need to void your warranty. The TF300 is still an unknown. If Prime is an indication, we can expect the same for TF300, ie a "partial" unlock and loss of warranty.

>what's really going to hurt acer is that they never sent out review units. everyone is already seeing how well received the 300 is on all major online tech sites.

I'm not so concerned with PR as you are. I'm not a fanboi. I've already said that I don't expect the Acer to sell well, not because of Asus, but because of the iPad--a point which applies equally to all Asus Android tablets. I judge the products on their merits, and with or without dock, the Acer A510 is superior on most points.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
seems like the Acer a510 isn't being well received so far. will add other links shortly. they said "its NOT the android tablet to beat"

www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/hands-on-is-acers-iconia-tab-a510-fit-for-olympic-competition/
[Transformer TF300T General] jblah:
to be totally honest some of the same argument against the a510 also applies to the tf300t but not to the prime.

example: "It’s an IPS display that offers solid off-axis viewing, but in this age of Super AMOLED screens and Retina displays, it’s not a stunner by any means."

Also the whole "acer ring" experience is an additional feature..not necessary something that needs to be utilized.

thus far i've seen these pro's and con's for each

tf300t - $399.99 @ amazon

pro: asus support, price, flexibility with the dock,

con: "entry level" cpu (probably not a big deal), screen sharpness

a510 - $429.99 @ amazon

pro: same cpu as prime, battery life, better usb adapter

con: screen sharpness, lack of dev support (when compared to asus)

i'm going to give the usb adapter advantage to acer because

1) you don't have to buy anything extra

2) it is more flexible than asus's adapter

btw..i'm enjoying this discussion. it does help with evaluating both of these tablets.
[Transformer TF300T General] rushless:
Perhaps with a grain of salt considering a far more credible site (Mobiletechreview) gave it a good review.

Review points:

Nice display, but Prime is better

Just as fast as Prime

Better battery life than Prime (sans keyboard)

Much better GPS and wifi reception

Full USB port with included adapter. Works with game controllers, plus works with and powers portable NTSF hardrives.

Seems pretty good attributes and hardly the bad that Apple lovin' Wired briefly derived. Their preview also seemed highly subjective.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
I'm watching that review now. but look at that dongle though for the usb. its all odd and it being on the bottom isnt a good setup. that will put extra stress on that port. usb port on a dock is the better solution. I'm sure its a decent device. well lets put it like this, Any tablet having a tegra3 chip in it is the way to go. no matter who its from. if it has a tegra3 in it, chances are it'll be a good tablet. this is seeming to be the trend so far. once more reviews pop out for both tablets, people can make a better comparison. Anandtech acer a510 review is the one to look out for as he will break it down completely. his reviews are more thorough than most.

USB arguments are really moot because both devices can do that and have usb host capabilities. both need an adapter to work on the tablet itself. regardless if Acer comes with adapter or not. ill admit that is a good move by acer to include. Asus should've done the same thing so acer can be praised on that front. you hook up a usb to the tablet itself and see how awkward that is holding the tablet with a usb cord hanging from it. the usb port on the dock is a better solution overall and is alot more sturdy.

i just recently, friday, received my keyboard dock for prime. i can easily see what the big deal is over owning a dock also. it adds so much to the tablet experience. so i can plug any usb device and it just works instantly. i found an old controller laying around. plugged it into the port on dock and it worked instantly.

tablet vs. tablet, Acer beats it out spec wise except 300 uses ddr3 ram and Acer uses DDR2. but this comes at the higher price point for the Acer. if you add the 300+dock, it easily beats out acer in features and versatility. even if i didn't like Asus, I'd take tablet and dock over the Acer alone. The dock should be a must have accessory for transformer tablets. it completely transforms the experience. any future tablet now i get has to have a optional dock like this one. Asus has treated me well and on my experience with them & Prime, I'd recommend an Asus product.
[Transformer TF300T General] Bøbo:
My 2 cents.

After seeing the A200 in a shop, I have been following the acer510 actively these past days. I was pleasantly surprised by the hardware and soft back of the A200, it doesn't feel cheap. I am saying this because both tablets have apparently the same case.

You have to remember that the 450$ price tag is in U.S only. In europe, we have the TF300 and the A510 at the same price.

As much as I love the TF300, the diminished batteries in both keyboard and the tablet are the deal breaker. (+ higher price for the keyboard in Europe...)

Also interesting but unmarked: the A510 has a T30 against a T30L for the TF300. (Which has DDR3 memory as an advantage.)

My only worry is about the standby autonomy, it seems the A510 doesn't manage it well.

I think both tablet are great products and none should be neglected. However in Europe, you have to take in account that the two will have the same price. (Plus 149.99€ for the Keyboard.)

ps: many are criticizing Acer, for good reasons, but they're pushing ICS to all their tablets until now. It is not really that bad compared to....Samsung ?

Wired article is kind of biased....criticizing the olympics logo...ok. Criticizing the screen being blurry ? Well if you take for references samsung 7" Amoled screen and Retina display, I don't give much more to the TF300. Last but not least, mentioning Acer customization of ICS when it is reduced to a ring interface you can simply ignore is..... narrow-minded ? (Sorry, English is not my mother tongue.)