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[Verizon Droid Charge] trparky:
Is the Droid Charge EOL? I think so. That's a major reason why I went to the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Sorry, ICS was really calling to me.

Anyways, I've got to tell you guys, this phone is awesome!!!! It blows the Droid Charge out of the water!

The development scene for Galaxy Nexus is the best I've ever seen. People have a choice of over five different ROMs and four different kernels as well. Everyone has a different take on what the Android experience should be on the Galaxy Nexus and the number of ROMs available definitely shows that there's real innovation on the phone.

With that in mind, because of the massive development community behind the phone you can bet that you're always going to be running the latest and greatest Android version up to and including Jellybean. Heck, I'm already running ICS 4.0.4 and it's not even out for the phone yet, source was available and the ROM developers went to work make it happen for the phone. Plus, full RIL source is available for download for the Galaxy Nexus so that makes porting new Android versions much easier.

Myself I'm running LiquidSmooth by TeamLiquid and iMoseyOn's LeanKernel.

Galaxy S3? Nah, forget about it! The Galaxy Nexus is where it's at!
[Verizon Droid Charge] m0unds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
As an FYI, the full source for the Nexus isn't available. You still have proprietary binaries to build the 4.0.4 ROM, and someone got ahold of the OTA update zip so we could get them. Otherwise, we would use the 4.0.2 or 4.0.3 binaries. However, since the stuff is coded by Google (or overseen by them at least) and all coding is being managed by them, it's simple to build the system around the pre-built binaries as the source is made to use them. With Samsung's binaries for the Charge, they can (and did) do whatever they want, so you have to reverse engineer stuff to work properly.
[Verizon Droid Charge] BleedsOrangeandBlue:
Crap, I forgot about this post for a few days and quoting might be an eyesore...

Going in order:

@Charlie: If its not that hard, why is the DC hardware inadequate to run ICS? Did Samsung intentionally screw us by putting substandard stuff in it (for the record, I don't think so, but this is the option that your argument leaves)? If its so simple to "look at the requirements linearly", why didn't they do that before? Intentional screwing or incapable? Your call...neither is too hopeful.

@imnuts: I've maintained that Samsung isn't responsible or obligated to do anything. Pretty sure I've said that (and reemphasized it) in three separate posts now and I am totally unsure as to why you keep trying to hammer on something that I haven't said. My stance is that it would be a good business decision for them to do so because their competition is doing a better job of it than they are. Regardless of what is "required", I'm going to go somewhere that gives me the most bang for my buck, a pretty fundamental tenet of being a consumer known as "value". If it was standard across the industry that nothing ever got updated, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. But they do, so forgive me if I'm not apologetic towards a company that is giving me less value than their competition. They don't have to, you're right. But I don't have to be happy about it, nor do I have to continue using their goods.

And the "if its so easy go do it yourself" line is so completely juvenile, its laughable. You're better than that, man, come on. This discussion is centered around the business practices of Samsung (and every other phone company, really). Whether or not this specific phone gets this specific update is but a drop in the bucket of the overall premise of the argument. Laughable.

@buhohitr: I never said they sucked. That was some other guy and then I proposed a counterpoint to your response. I've never said their developers are incapable or lack the ability to develop. I'd really appreciate it if you wouldn't misrepresent what I said, though I'll give it a pass because it seems you're not a native English speaker. I know how difficult that can be as I flounder about my French class three times a week.

@jager Roger that. I don't know the inner workings of it all, but I believe it. I don't think Samsung can totally be absolved (after all, they've earned the reputation for being flaky on updates across the board), but I'm sure Verizon's stupidity is partially to blame as well.
[Verizon Droid Charge] charlie_c:
My understanding is that ICS + TW + VZW bloat would require more space than is available in the system partition on the device. The easiest way would be to exclude the TW + VZW bloat, but since neither the device manufacturer nor the carrier want to this probably, they probably consider the hardware as "inadequate" or however you want to put it. There may be ways around this by slimming down TW and the bloat or changing partion sizes, I'm not really sure.

I think you need to re-read my posts though if you think I'm implying Samsung "intentionally" did anything. My point was that there was

no requirement or promise or goal

for Samsung to support Android 4.0 at the time the phone was designed

because this agreement was not in place then

. They built the phone to spec for the

current OS the phone launched with

. Their

lack of intention

to future proof the device is the problem.

The point of this 18-month support agreement was that device manufacturers design the devices

moving forward

with the

intent

on being able to support them for that time frame.
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
Go out and ask the average consumer what the latest version of Android is, and I'd be willing to bet that most of them couldn't tell you. To that same effect, ask someone what version their current phone is running, and they also couldn't tell you that. The average consumer doesn't care what version of Android their phone has, just so long as it works.

The enthusiast market makes up probably 1% of the overall market, if it's even that large of a share. People here that phones get updates, but they have no idea what they are being updated to, what they are coming from, or what is different. Samsung is still releasing updates, we're up to the 4th update on the Charge now. A consumer will see that as nothing wrong, bugs are getting fixed and it is being updated, even if it isn't the latest available version. The average consumer will go with whatever is advertised more because they are dumb. Samsung won't see any fewer sales because of not updating to ICS, and if they do, it could just be seen as a slight variance.

Would it be great if every manufacturer kept everything updated all the time? Sure, but how do you justify updating a year old device when you can release a brand new phone that has the updated software and make more in sales? How can you further try to justify the update when the average consumer isn't going to notice anyway?
[Verizon Droid Charge] xfearxphoenixx:
Alot of verizon's reps have no idea what they are talking about. It would be nice to get the ICS update though.:)
[Verizon Droid Charge] BleedsOrangeandBlue:
That's fine. I'm going to agree to disagree with you, if for no other reason than that we have now come full circle in terms of the discussion.

I would like to add that I genuinely appreciate all the work you've done for our community. I hate that I've now had more posts saying that I disagree with your opinion than I have posts saying that I think you're a great addition to this device and these (and other) forums.

winky face
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarateExplosion6:
Just checked the Verizon web site and notice the Charge is listed as FREE with 2-Year Contract. Are we EOL?
[Verizon Droid Charge] trparky:
That usually is a very good indication of a device going EOL. It means that they are trying to unload them any way they can. It's referred to as device dumping.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Tazer2death:
Gonna have to change your signature. It's no longer of any use.
[Verizon Droid Charge] khalilcr:
I would assume that with this tiered data plan coming devices will EOL a lot faster untill they get everybody to upgrade. I am sure the Charge will no longer see any updates.
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarateExplosion6:
Agreed.
[Verizon Droid Charge] jager420:
I see another maintance update but that's about it (hopefully)
[Verizon Droid Charge] THEbigSWEEN:
Ya right, we're not worth their precious data. Maybe after they do away with unlimited they'll charge us 30 bucks to DL an update that only changes the poop and orange :mad:
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarateExplosion6:
Verizon to begin taking pre-orders for the Galaxy S III this Wednesday, June 6, beginning at 7 AM EDT. http://shop.verizonwireless.com/?id=galaxys3

Both T-Mobile and Sprint have set June 21 as their ship date, so I would expect June 21 to be Verizon's as well...

As of today, the Charge is still being sold on verizonwireless.com for $99.99 at 2-year contract pricing.

Are we EOL?
[Verizon Droid Charge] JihadSquad:
Wow looks almost exactly like the international version. Also the price is $199.99 again so big red may be dropping their prices all around soon... probably to offset the price hike of data share :(
[Verizon Droid Charge] shrike1978:
It's only a dual-core processor, but it has 2GB of RAM...I guess they upped the RAM to justify keeping the same pricing as the international.
[Verizon Droid Charge] JihadSquad:
I meant that the price is low for a flagship phone on Verizon. Also I am pretty sure that Sprint and AT&T will have dual cores too because of the LTE chips. Tmo should have a quad core exynos though.
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarateExplosion6:
I believe all US SGS3's will come dual-core, 2GB RAM. This is also the case in Japan and Canada.
[Verizon Droid Charge] jager420:
Flagship? Please... Nothing new about this phone. Same CPU as a rezound? If it has the quad core in it it might be worth a flagship. Nothing we do on android needs 2g of ram multitasking or not..can't wait to see quad core work on LTE here in the states. At least we are on LTE right.
[Verizon Droid Charge] JihadSquad:
Unless you can find a better specced Samsung phone on VZW then it technically is the flagship... kind of like the charge that came out running 1.5 year old hardware was a flagship... at $300.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Falcyn:
Okay, wow, major misinformation.

The Rezound has a 45nm dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S3 processor (MSM8660).

The US-variant Galaxy S III has a 28nm dual-core Snapdragon S4 (MSM8960), a chip which is generally considered as good as, if not better, than the quad-core Tegra 3 in general usage. The S4's GPU also has double the clock speed of the S3's.

What that difference actually means is this: the 8960 performs twice as well as the 8660. Take a look at this, and note where the Rezound is:

As far as the Exynos 4 vs the S4... even that's a bit of a performance tossup. The S4 comes on top in some benchmarks, while the Exynos comes on top in others. Neither is indisputably a better processor, though the Exynos chipset does have a better GPU.
[Verizon Droid Charge] cujo6801:
OK just put that into layman's terms for me..

Which one is better for watching porn....

SENT FROM THE DOG POUND
[Verizon Droid Charge] jager420:
Sorry should of said " not literally" when I was referring to the rezound. Im just saying dual core is a disappointment when the international version comes out with quad.
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarateExplosion6:
I agree in part... But if the performance is a toss up plus we have LTE, what's the big deal? The quad core is incompatible with LTE, so what else could we ask for?
[Verizon Droid Charge] Falcyn:
If all you care about is how specs look on paper, okay, sure, it's a disappointment.

If what you care about is how the device actually performs, then it's not a disappointment and is in some ways actually a good thing. 2GB of memory absolutely will make a noticeable difference, especially as apps get bigger and more memory-intensive, which is why a good number of people think the S4 variant is actually better than the original.

http://pocketnow.com/2012/05/31/which-galaxy-s-3-is-better-quad-core-or-2gb-ram/
[Verizon Droid Charge] Ted A:
Speed-wise I agree it'll be a toss-up between the EU's and the US version. However, quad core consumes less power than its LTE counterpart. Therefore the battery life becomes a bigger issue to consider when you're comparing the two.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
In my normal call area the touch tones from the e4gt work fine with google voice and for entering options when calling credit card or other customer service.

However I found it very annoying that when I travelled, for some other sprint areas google voice and other ivr systems just wouldn't recognize the touch tones. Not having a data connection and not being able to retrieve a voicemail because gv won't accept your passcode is pretty annoying.

Sometimes if you enable roaming, it works with the roaming carrier.

Anyway, I found a way to allow the touch tones to be recognized all the time.

1) enter ##debug# in the dialer

2) enter your msl

3) select "others"

4) select "DTMF Set"

5) select "Long DTMF"

This setting will stay as selected until your next reboot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] joebobjoe:
With all the kernels and releases coming out, what is the general consensus on when ICS ROMs will be considered stable or feature-complete?

Was the recent i777 leak what developers were looking for to complete/optimize ICS ROMs? Or are we still waiting on i777 kernel source? Is Entropy's kernel a long-term solution?

Just wondering when to flash.

Thanks forum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ymcmbforever:
I would say we already have some stable ics roms like aokp and shomans rom and a few others im running ics now its perfect
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] joebobjoe:
But I remember being schooled about "oh we need i777 kernel source before we get ICS" whenever I inquired. We don't seem to have i777 source, but i9000 is good enough?

Let me rephrase my question, how much better will the current ROMs get when i777 kernel source is released? Will we see an AOSP ROM?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Smacdallas:
I honestly doubt the i777 kernel source will affect us whatsoever unless of coarse some type of nfc is included
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ElephantKiller:
I have yet to find a single bug running Shoman's rom. Your mileage may vary, read the thread et cetera but if you're asking when to flash I'd just go for it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seejeremy:
+1 on Shoman's ICS rom. It has operated flawlessly for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
I9100 source is what we needed. We're only a little bit behind I9100 now. I9100 ICS has some nasty stability problems, I'm hoping to fix them before releasing DD for ICS. I'm working with gokhanmoral and a few others on it, it's not I777 unique.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] machos1:
SHOstock ICS rom is amazingly stable and already in 5th release with more on the way
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CyberpunkDad:
CM9 now has nightly builds for I-777. I fell in love with CM7 and am really liking the official CM9 nighty builds so far.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] movielover76:
ICS leak

The ICS i777 leak, which has been bundled as a cwm zip without bootloaders

is working good for me with only a few minor bugs

alarms not working

wifi only scans after toggle

battery stats graph crashes

I don't know how this compares to i9100, the ICS leak is the first I've tried.

It's stable enough for me to not look back and stick with ICS
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] hbar:
I'd definitely recommend SHOstock2, it's head and shoulders above the ATT leak in a lot of ways and I haven't had a single crash or noticed any bugs since installing RC4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dmnall:
I agree with the uclc2 leak, I had the following issues: Titanium Backup would not install any of my games+data and 1/2 my apps would not install. From what I could tell were any of the apps and games that I had moved over to sd card would not be restored under the leak. Than all of a sudden, my phone had locked up after getting most of my apps *from the batch restore missing apps and data* and quit even getting service when wifi was on and try to turn off wifi = lockup/reboot. Really weird after 4 hours of running it. Under SHOstock2 Rc4 everything restored properly and even upgrading to rc5 which gave back the multi toggle options and running very stable. Zero issue with it.

HTH,

Charlie
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Sledutah:
I've been running LilChris's phone-bricker with zero problems. Restored apps and data using tibu. Fast and smooth.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] 88EVGAFTW:
Been running the AOKP build from Ported Dev thread with no major problems. Only problem is that when I am listening to music and a text or notification comes in, the music volume is lowered by 2 notches, then when I try to turn it up it goes by about 3 notches. Its a balancing act to get the volume back. Thats my only grippe. I havent had much time to read so I dont know if the newer ICS roms have fixed that issue.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ferrocene:
It seems like all the ROMs have a few little glitches. Is there an ICS ROM that can record video at 1080p? Or connect to a 5GHz AP? Or has HDMI/MHL functionality?

I'm switching to the first one that does all 3. I'd be really excited if we can get NFC too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] abezapata:
This is what gets me excited. It's always great to hear that developers from the android community are working together to bring exciting features to our phones. Thanks for all of your hardwork. I wish I would have stayed a computer engineering in college so I could help out, but it you all need testers let me know. :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rdannar:
Try lp3 stock from i9100 forum.. Flash with mobil odin but make sure in same flash you use entropy kernel and one of are modems. Then switch usr touchkey file.. Instructions in port section for file.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Red5:
So, uh, whats the point of this thread? Why do we need another ICS thread? If this is truly different than the main ICS thread then it can stay open, but from what im reading, its not.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] joebobjoe:
Yea I now see why the mods are so close-happy in this sub-forum. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to invoke a flood of ROM-reviews by starting this thread. All I had wanted was a general outlook of ROM-stability coming from official leaks and releases.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kevintstephens:
Hey guys! I just got my RAZR Maxx today and I already love it! I'm looking forward to being a part of these forums. See you around!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman901:
I am relatively new to Android and can't figure out how to install apps to my external sd card. My internal 11 GB is almost full so I want to move some larger games to the external card. Please help.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] infatality:
Look for apps2sd in Google play store..

Sent from my flying GT-N7000 with DarkyRom with Franco kernel on XDA Premium App!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman901:
Thanks, I tried that app just now and it doesn't do anything different than what the built in system tools does. It just keys me move apps on the phone to the sd card. My question is how can I move apps from my sd card (internal) to my external card to save space and have the same functionality a if the were installed in the phone. It would be cool if you could just install apps like you can on a 32 GB iPhone.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mister_Mxyzptlk:
Thursday, March 29, 2012

GMan901 & XDA Members:

If you're willing to shell out the cash for a Micro-SDXC card, I can show you how to swap your internal and external storage (SD cards). In my case, I started out with a 16GB GT-N7000 (International Note) and an 8GB Micro-SD card. I had apps installed on my internal SD card and would put all of my media (music, photos, videos) on my external storage (8GB Micro-SD card); but in the end, it wasn't enough. I ended up running out of space on my internal storage anyway; and considering that there's no way to replace the internal storage, I had to find another solution.

Now, on paper the Galaxy Note officially supports a maximum of 32GB of external storage. However, several sources have confirmed that the Galaxy Note (at least the GT-N7000 anyway) is capable of supporting Micro-SDXC cards of up to 64GB in size, and possibly even larger. However, no matter how large your external storage is, it's still your external storage. Now, if you were able to swap your internal and external storage, you'd have a fixed, 11.5GB external SD card that you would never be able to change, but you would also now have an internal SD card that you could increase or decrease in size whenever you like. In my case, I currently have a 32GB Samsung class 10 Micro-SD card that I bought on Amazon and configured to be my internal storage. Also, If I ever need more internal storage, all I have to do is purchase a larger card, copy all of the files from the old card to it, and insert it into my phone. It really is a great setup. If you're interested in trying this, just let me know and I'll post the necessary file(s) and instructions.

Also, it sounds to me like you are a former iPhone user. If you are, you should know that I am as well. As a matter of fact, it was the new iPhone 4S that I switched to Android from. At first, I found the transition to be..... less than smooth. However, with a little help from the good people here at XDA, I was able to not only make the transition, but also discover just how much more powerful Android is in comparison to iOS. In all fairness though, iOS is, for lack of a better term, the perfect "everyman" mobile OS. But if power, control, and versatility are your bag, Android is the way to go. So if you are in fact a recent iOS-to-Android convert, please let me know. I'd be happy to help show you the ropes.

Let me know if you'd like to swap your phone's internal and external storage; and also let me know if you've recently ditched iOS. In addition to the internal/external storage swap trick, there are a plethora of other tricks, hacks, mods, and techniques that can be used on Android to yield an almost infinite number of effects, changes, and improvements. Android is very tinker-friendly. So just let mw know how new you are to it, and I can show you all kinds of stuff.

Thank you,

Ed (Mister_Mxyzptlk)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman901:
Heck yeah, I would like to know! Yes, I was an iPhone user since 2007. A long as I don't need to root my phone out install a custom firmware, I would really like to know how to use my 32 micro sd card versus the ridiculous 11 GB the Note gives you to install apps and games. I barely had enough room to install Real racing 2.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mister_Mxyzptlk:
Well, you will need to root your phone, but it's a completely reversible process. And if you do it correctly, you won't even trip the flash counter.

Anyway, we need to start with what build you're currently running. Could you check "Settings > About Phone" and let me know what build you're currently running. With any luck, it'll be a build that lets you use the ZergRush exploit. That way you won't have to downgrade your phone first.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krloz:
Hi Mister_Mxyzptlk,

I have the same doubt/need... I would love to learn more from your experience.

I am rooted and my build # is GINGERBREAD.XXKL7.

I don't mean to hijack this thread!

thanks in advance!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaqKa:
do you also repartition in the process of switching?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RenegadeI:
Same Problem

Are you still able to provide info. REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

Thanks.

:crying: