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[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Personally I love the status bar auto-hide. I like the fact that they give you as much of the screen as they can for viewing your page/app ect. Shows you status when it needs to (change in connection ect), then gets out of your way instead of taking up space constantly. Ever need to check it? Just a quick swipe down from top or tap.

As far as the battery percentage & conversation view changes: Perhaps these will be options in Apollo later this year. I know the battery percentage is one many would like.
[Windows Phone 7 General] krzychoo89:
@up:

1. but I dont want to. I just want to see it without any additional steps.

2. I have battery status, but I have to unlock, and waste 1 space on screen, or slide and turn on BS from menu, waste of time - i just want battery percentage near the clock

3. I have to turn off. But on iOS or android I don;t had such problems.

I think that you are too fustrated, calm down man, I'm not blind. I see bad things in WP7 and I'm trying to fix it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
For someone who feels 'a tap' is additional steps - Android is the answer.

I think genuine annoyance is: Threading other two are just personal choices. Did you not try the phone before you bought it? If you are still under the cooling off period, best thing is to swap it for a similar specs Android and use Launcher7 if you like the idea of tiles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] krzychoo89:
Ok, so if I knew it's not possible I have to just shut up and tell everybody how great is WP7?

WTF? I though that these kind of fanboys are only interested in android and ios. I was wrong.

I like wp7 more than other OS, but it's not perfect.

Few years ago XDA was forum with prosfessionals who though how to fix things we don't like in devices. Now I see thats group of blind fanboys. Such a waste...
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
No one is asking you to shut up and tell how great WP7 is.

Only if you used the search button on the top right, you would have already come across much more informative threads that have already mentioned how WP is different than other OS.

Not few years ago but since the birth of XDA the tag line has been "Search first, then ask" - so if you have been following XDA for a few years and seeing how professionals have fixed things, you would know how to use the search too. The reason one needs to shut up will only be because reiterating what is not available and saying how it's annoying proves nothing but trolling.

You said you want battery percentage -Now the "professionals" made the app, the live tile and a workaround to do that. But ofcourse, you are not interested as you say in your first post. This IS NOT android. The system is secure and limited to any sort of development. So you WONT get the percentage next to your clock. You would have known this just by a simple search on XDA.

The "tap to view" - is NOT an annoying bug. This is EXACTLY how Microsoft wanted this FEATURE to be. This is what suits the Metro UI's concept. You are saying 'but I don't want to tap'. Fine, we understand, everyone does. But this is a feature. If you want to tweak it, it can be done. Probably someone will help you tweak the registry to stop the autohide.

I agree, as I said before the threaded one is a bug. It should thread irrespectively especially when you say you've seen iOS and Android thread it correctly even without the subjects.

All that said, once again, if you use the search button you will find at least 5 threads in this very forum which talks about the 'limitations' and how the OS isn't perfect. Also, you say "few years ago professional fixed the things WE DONT like in the devices" - but here probably isn't it the case of "I don't want to tap to see the batter, I don't want to use 'professionally' developed Battery Status"?

Yes, such a waste.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
This is so true..... No phone is perfect for everyone. As long as it works good for your needs, and you can live with the little things, it's fine...

1. Not a big deal to me, I like it hidden, because I dont always care to know what is connected and what's not. It notifies me when I get disconnected and it's always a touch away.

2. Battery status, This has always bothered me on every phone I had, WM 6.5was the only one I liked due to a 3rd party hack. I like it on the status bar but, wish it would show a true % vs a 5 step iccon.

3. It's very rare that I get an email with no subject, teach your friends on how to do email correctly (or put their small message in the subject instead of the body). That is not a product design, that is a friend/worker problem.

No Phone is perfect for everyone....and WP7 is no acception....
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Basically yes. WP7 fans usually praise the OS no matter what limitations it has. It's very hard to discuss those things here. Instead of agreement that it is unfinished people will tell you that it's your fault. But it happens everywhere and occassionally drives me nuts.

WP7 is perfect for people who don't do much with the phone.

If you're inclined into real control of the device and customization possibilities, Android is the way. WP7 is dumb in many ways and will stay like that for some time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Oh, pull your head out, will you.

We don't claim WP7 to be perfect, like iOS users do. We've chosen to accept its flaws and we expect that anyone who's got such petty complaints of the OS to have actually read the criticism of the OS, which are in plenty.

Look at the argument that ensued over BT file sharing. Seriously, the guy is throwing a fit that none of us agree that it is a major issue. It's not a problem with Nokia, but is a shortcoming of the WP7. Come to think of it, does iOS natively support BT filesharing?

Again... I'm a rational fanboy. I've chosen to enjoy WP7 rather than ***** and moan about it. There are things about it that I don't care for, but I've decided to focus on what I DO like instead.

It's like the difference between a good movie with slight plot holes vs. an ok movie. If the story interests me enough, I'm willing to overlook the plot holes so that I can enjoy the film. A different movie, one where there's nothing that makes me care about any of the characters, isn't worth me overlooking its shortcomings in order to appreciate it.

WP7 is my good movie with some holes in the story.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well looking at your history here, probably you didn't experience this WP7 forum since it's beginning on fall/winter 2010.

There are users who do exactly what I described.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
That's a big shame. I'd like to think that WP7 fanboys aren't as fanatical as iOS and Android. I stand corrected.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
isn't this what android fans do too? Android fans do this and bash other OSes for not doing exactly the same things that it does even though it's very minor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's probably happening too.

However on any forum devoted to a specific Android device or manufacturer, I haven't seen many posts focused on bashing others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BradGroux:
I personally don't care about the battery indicator. Sliding your thumb/screen when you want to check the status of battery life is clean and simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Actually, things were quite civil in the forum until the OP (and others) were told off, the criticisms called petty, and then for good measure instructed he should have done his research before he bought the phone. That is fanboy behaviour.

So the only time people will need to check battery and signal is when the phone is at the lock screen? Every phone we have all ever used from dumb to smart has permanently displayed time, battery, and signal strength for a good reason.

So again, it was important to display an arrow pointing to the next screen, but not signal strength? Would anyone here hate it if you permanently displayed what most would consider vital information? Over a silly arrow pointing to the next screen?

I love Windows Phone but we are giving the critics fuel when we behave like this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
@ Nicksti:

Actually this entire forum was civil when it was Windows Mobile only. When Android stepped in, the community was split into two groups: Google and Microsoft. With this the bashing began to rise. And there lies the problem. Both have completely different design philosophies, so they're in some way opposing each other. In my opinion, Android should have an own forum like XDA did it with the IPhone.

@ Doministry: You really can't call WP7 "dumb". It seems you didn't understand how WP really works. Every app runs in an own sandbox with some allocated specific rights. So the app is not capable of doing damage to the system in any way. The entire system is locked down for a reason: Microsoft wanted a system which is completely secure. To be able to do this, the filesystem and registry also had to be locked down. And that is why we have to use Zune to be sure that the files are secure and have a valid certificate so that only secure files can be moved onto our devices. An open filesystem which many of you guys want, would compromise the system and Microsoft don't want that to happen. You guys really should be thankful to Microsoft that they care for the security so that every consumer can use a Windows Phone absolutely worry-free in terms of viruses, phishing tools etc.

The bad side of it is, that you have to accept that design philosophy with its locked down state. You have to accept that very limited customization ability. If you don't then WP isn't for you. But that should be clear ;) And thats the problem why so many are against WP. They simply don't understand the way WP works and why it isn't so customizable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
It seems like everyone's pointing at me for being a fanboy, truth is, these kind of posts have been so repetitive its really annoying how posts have to be repeated as well.

Anyway, did you NOT read what I have posted? Or do you just not understand simple English?

From the lockscreen you will see your signal bar and battery life, when youre in the os, then just tap at top. Sure it's an extra step but it does hides away the ugliness.

The right arrow is there to point out that you can scroll to the left or tap on the arrow to reveal another column and see all your apps.

Last time I checked the signal bar was when I went far up north where unfortunately there wasn't any signal. Seriously how many times a day an average user checks his/her signal strength? When really you know that you always have signal in your area, so why bother checking signal strength? The battery bar shows itself when the phone has low juice left, stays there when charging, goes away if it's got lots of juice. Same goes for signal strength - shows when there's nothing to let you know, goes away when everything good because you won't be looking at it anyway because, wel,l everythings good.

No one will hate putting up these elements permanently, but like I said, just tap if you wanna see them, or are you just that lazy to swipe a finger.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I did read what you posted. I also do believe I have a sound working knowledge of the English language. My statement remains the same. It is not laziness on anyone's part that they simply would like to see network connectivity and battery life permanently. You are calling people lazy because they want what every single phone permanently shows. See, I can read and understand fully what you are saying and you are defending the OS and chastizing people for an inconvenient design.

And all you actually did was describe what the silly arrow does, not why it is there. So we need markings and designations permanently on screen to help people navigate the areas of the phone? Is there a down arrow to let people know they can swipe down to reveal more tiles? I could be equally nasty and give a label to that kind of logic, but I will take the high road.

Honestly. You would believe the OP asked for Windows Phone to be Android. All he asked for in 2 out of his 3 things was something dumb phones, features phones, android phones and ios phones do now. Oh well, I will get back to work and stop being lazy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
I think it's important to stress the difference between design features and shortcomings. For example, lack of BT file sharing is a shortcoming as a result of the security designed into the OS. Signal strength not being a permanent icon was a thought out design feature. Microsoft CHOSE to have the icons be temporary. There is a certain visual aesthetic that they were going for. Icons are clutter.

The arrow to indicate that the app column is next door? Take note that Android has little dots on the display to let you know that there are other screens to swipe to. Should MSFT have put a dot on the home screen instead? It's a silly comparison to mention that there are no arrows to tell you to scroll down for more icons. A simple visual assessment of the OS would show you that nothing is ever fully on the screen. It's inherent that the user will naturally know to scroll up/down. The home screen to app column transition is the only place in the metro design where an indication may be necessary that something else is there. Every other aspect of the UI leads the user to flick up/down/left/right.

I understand that you think it's not fair for the OP's points to be so heavily criticized. I want to point out that all of his complaints are not difficult to research or are fine print. These "flaws" are all over the web. If I had a problem with the fact that BT sharing is not a function, then I'd either have not purchase or would have subsequently gotten rid of the device, rather than incessantly ***** and moan about it being Nokia's fault. It's not a shortcoming on the part of Nokia. Stop whining and start lobbying MSFT to make it available.

And... for christ's sake, PLEASE end this damned discussion. It's clearly bringing out the ugly in some of us.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Right, every single android phone freezes or force closes at one point or the another. I'm so glad MSFT chose to build something that is not just 'every other phone'. I think the main concerns everyone keep raising with the design of the OS are so irrelevant and down to their personal choice. I never visit iOS threads, but sure will want to go there and see if people have demanded for round icons instead of the square ones. The first two points are so heavily "criticized" as some have put it, because they are aesthetics of the OS and this is how it's designed to be. There are custom ROMs out there and perhaps those ROMs will get these tweaked features we demand of. But as they are served, they are much different than the rest, and that was what Windows Phone was meant to be - different.

I am more than happy if you label me as a fanatic fanboy for the OS, but 2 out of 3 things if present in a dumb, feature phones and android phones - it isn't a bug or a crime for MSFT to choose to move away from the trend and create something different, stable, secure, faster and pleasing to use.

1st one out of the two : As mentioned earlier by someone else - I never look at the bars on top. Indeed when I used Android phone with Launcher7, it din't have the 'auto-hide bug' and to me that annoyed me to the core. Search XDA/Android forums and you will even see my posts asking how we could auto-hide it. There are numerous android users who loved to do that as well and Launcher7 - now comes with that 'feature'. My point - auto hide is a feature to some and bug to some. To me cluttered top bar is a bug now. Because I don't want to look at the battery or my network because when I don't have it, the phone is clever enough to show me that I don't have it. When I don't see anything on top, I know that there isn't anything that I need to worry about - be it wifi, be it network, be it battery! - It's like they say "No news, is good news"

2nd one out of the two: Battery percentage. Honestly, I might be the dumbest person alive, but what OS ships with battery percentage as stock? I've never paid attention to that and never used battery percentage themes even when using Android and hence it makes sense for me to not know. But ofcourse those who have praised the idea of battery percentage might know it from using other OS that has battery percentage bar?! Yes, you can modify android to show it on the taskbar and Yes you can modify windows phone to show battery percentage too - as a live tile! If you ask for a battery percentage on the task bar 'LIKE' android, why not ask for live tile 'LIKE' windows phone? OP doesn't want it as a live tile! "Live tile" are the feature of this OS. If you don't want the feature of this OS, clearly you are using the wrong phone!! Yes, we should all now sit together and see how we can get rid of live tiles and put them on the status bar, make the status bar drop down with notification hub and possibly see if in the process introduce a few ugly looking icons, fascinating force closes and random freezes too. What's the point of having a secure system anyway? :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Okay, let us get one thing out the way - I am wrong on point #2. I agree, no OS I have ever used uses a number to display battery life.

Dru - do you see what you did there?

Step 1: Every single phone displays signal, time, battery all the time.

Step 2: Every single Android phone crashes and freezes

Wooooooow. Why did it even have to go to Android crashing and freezing?

Let us be clear about our battle lines - I am on your side. I lament over Android's force closes and poor battery life but honestly there is some inability to take some Windows Phone criticism going on here.

And finally, Android has dots to show which homescreen you are on. That is not applicable to Windows Phone. The answer I was given to justify the arrow is it is to show you you can scroll to the left...

That I do not accept because that design element does not exist in any other facet of the phone (a pictoral navigational element). What next, we gonna reason out why the front in the Hubs are so big as something more than them being creative (I like it btw)?
[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
You are calling people lazy because they want what every single phone permanently shows.

No no no no no, NO. I'm not calling people lazy, I was just asking you if you're lazy enough not to swipe a finger. So what if every single phone shows those useless stuff. Really ask one person, how many times a day do they look at those stuff. Its a design element that Microsoft gets.

you are defending the OS and chastizing people for an inconvenient design.

No, I'm not. I know what limitations WP7 has and ok, who cares really, for an average person. So yeah, my previous post states the stuff that the OP asked for.

And all you actually did was describe what the silly arrow does, not why it is there.

Well how else do you want me to say it? The arrow is pointing to the right, therefore it shows the user that they can go there? Oh whoopdido I just said the same thing!

Is there a down arrow to let people know they can swipe down to reveal more tiles?

Common Sense, do you see any arrow pointing down? No. Eventually people will get it, just like in iOS and Android.

You would believe the OP asked for Windows Phone to be Android.

Nope, clearly the OP wrote WP design flaws, didn't asked for it to be android.

Oh well, I will get back to work and stop being lazy.

I see what you did there, well, anyway this is a development forum. DEVELOPMENT. It requires action to get something to develop. And what work do you obviously have, oh right, nothing!

If you did your research, Metro UI was inspired by Metro stations. And what do you see there? Clean typography interface with blocks of tiles and ARROWS pointing directions. Take note of that, that is if you have enough time to slack off at work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Ok, if you don't like the lovely, Metro inspired arrow, which is the ONLY icon of its kind in the entire UI of WP7, and you think that the home screen should have the same level of intuition that the rest of the UI has, then that means that the home screen should have large letters that don't fit all the way across and should have a sliver of the Apps List just at the right edge of the display. This wild definitely lead the eye, and user, to inquire about what could possibly be to the right and then swipe to get there.

Given those two options, I'd rather have the minimalist CLEAN look of the current home screen as opposed to the "clutter" of the internal functions. The clutter suits perfectly in its current form. "Oh, look! There's more to see in the people hub!" sounds perfectly fine. Were that same aesthetic included on the home screen, I bet you (or someone else) would ***** that it's unnecessary to have and clutters the place up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
krzychoo89 - "3. threading all emails with no subcject (gmail), even from different people (please don't tell me to turn off conversations)"

downloaderintruder - "Turn off conversations. Sheez, if your "friends" are too lazy to put on a subject then just turn off conversations, that way you'll get the newest email right on top!"

downloaderintruder - No one will hate putting up these elements permanently, but like I said, just tap if you wanna see them, or are you just that lazy to swipe a finger.

You called his friends lazy. And that people lack common sense.

And now this is the retort. So Windows Phone design shows people with a left/right arrow that there is more content, but there is no arrow pointing down because people will get it, just like iOS and Android. So people won't get sliding left to right to see more content, but a down one is not necessary because people will get it? Maybe if i repeat it over and over to myself...

Actually this is the general forum, not the development forum so I think you took a wrong turn. I am not a dev and never claimed to be one. All I am is someone who love Windows Phone. Unfortunately, I have to work for the man on a Saturday. Sucks. But I do get to goof off and read xda :) But yes, I am pretty sure this is indeed the general forum, even though my ability to read or grasp the English language was questioned. Or maybe I am wrong again... help me which forum am I in again? Old timers must be kicking in.

But there is no reason for you to be so hostile. I can see Vetvito and Doministry laughing at me now, saying I told you so. Sad really. Really sad.

Btw, Anseio I love the arrow. I am fine with what you are saying. It is artistic creativity just like the lovely oversized font titles. It looks clean and modern and bold. But for some reason I am caught in a whirlwind of logic about how that particular design element is a useful and well-placed navigational tool. Can you explain it to me?