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[Galaxy S II Android Development] THE RED BLUR:
Cnjax is right because of the annoying preload taking up unnecessary space :rolleyes:

What purpose does it really serve is there really a point to it? Can anyone state what its advantages are.

We survived fine without it all this time on gb, ics and still on jb 4.2.2 on aokp cm10?

Bloody Samsung.. :banghead:.......... End rant:D:p

Sale can we get rid of it somehow and make rom still function? . Call it NeatRom Super Duel Lite :D;)

If you really want to duel boot follow this thread and you will have to edit the rom as in the op;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2120514

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KERNEL : Philz Touch fixed LSN 4.92.8 (DEFAULT PROFILE AND SETTINGS )

MODEM : MS2

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : Samsung Class 10 32gb

LAUNCHER : Apex Pro

Root Manager : Supersu 1.25

THE CAVE = My Guides list to install NeatRom and other ROMS and kernels on LSJ and LS8 + tools to have a bug free rom and kernel + how to back up and RESTORE ROM OM FULLY = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35923600

1.Current list of kernels on LSJ and pros and cons

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36698607

2.Rom Nuke / Wipe scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742265

3. GS2KERNELWIPE script

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742198

4.Fast Dormancy :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36396636

5. How to install full wipe with rom nuke on LSJ

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36655790
[Galaxy S II Android Development] electricsheepdreamer:
Hey Red, I know what you mean but let me share my point of view. (besides what's the point of dual booting two Neats, of course).

Why not creating nandroid backups of different ROMs and simply restore them as the alternative? There are Google sync and TB xml backups and ever more demanding ROMs are allowed to breathe more easily.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] ChavitoArg:
Any news besides the new playstore? ^^ im 20 pages ago

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] THE RED BLUR:
Lol. I know you can do that. But ive been a duel boot user for a while its just a bit of hassle to have to make nandroid back up of rom constantly to go back amd fourth all the time.

By having duel boot I can could quite easily switch between two Platforms with ease and additional drain on battery and all i would need to do if to resync data is like u said use Ti b.

Having to constantly wipe, and restore gets boring and off putting well for me anyways.

Thats why I liked duel booting. Plus I could do beta tests of other roms and leaving my main rom on as primary boot to fall back to immediately with a simple reboot :)

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KERNEL : Philz Touch fixed LSN 4.92.8 (DEFAULT PROFILE AND SETTINGS )

MODEM : MS2

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : Samsung Class 10 32gb

LAUNCHER : Apex Pro

Root Manager : Supersu 1.25

THE CAVE = My Guides list to install NeatRom and other ROMS and kernels on LSJ and LS8 + tools to have a bug free rom and kernel + how to back up and RESTORE ROM OM FULLY = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35923600

1.Current list of kernels on LSJ and pros and cons

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36698607

2.Rom Nuke / Wipe scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742265

3. GS2KERNELWIPE script

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742198

4.Fast Dormancy :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36396636

5. How to install full wipe with rom nuke on LSJ

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36655790
[Galaxy S II Android Development] electricsheepdreamer:
I agree Red, it's a hassle for the professional flasher :D

I thought you come from the future :)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] cnjax:
To me dual boot is over blown, for the overwhelming majority of people, just want to use our phones for its intended purpose, so most are satisfied with a phone that has a rom that works well and they will be happy, those who want the capability to dualboot are such a small percentage that barely registers

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] bodomfan:
Agree.I prefer using 1 rom.if people want to change a look it's easy making a theme :cool:

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] THE RED BLUR:
Same can be said for custom rom users compared to general real stock users my friend :D:p;)

We as a whole on xda are in the minority on custom roms. :D

But does that stop us wanting Samsung to release exynos sources to make it easier for our devs on xda to develop. ;)

At the end of the day preload is stupid and I see no reason for it then to take up unnecessary space. I was hoping more Rom devs could fix what Samsung have messed up so that we can continue as before on sammy jb.

Its not needed and unless someone can say why? Im willing to listen if a valid point is made to the advantages of having it its just im not seeing it :cool:

Why have no other platforms used it and why do we need it if everything was fine before on ics and gb without it?

Yes one negative side to this is no duel boot but another thing is it takes up space for even people that dont duel boot.

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Main ROM: Neatrom 4.6.1 LSN Lite

Platform : JB 4.1.2

KERNEL : Philz Touch fixed LSN 4.92.8 (DEFAULT PROFILE AND SETTINGS )

MODEM : MS2

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : Samsung Class 10 32gb

LAUNCHER : Apex Pro

Root Manager : Supersu 1.25

THE CAVE = My Guides list to install NeatRom and other ROMS and kernels on LSJ and LS8 + tools to have a bug free rom and kernel + how to back up and RESTORE ROM OM FULLY = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35923600

1.Current list of kernels on LSJ and pros and cons

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36698607

2.Rom Nuke / Wipe scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742265

3. GS2KERNELWIPE script

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742198

4.Fast Dormancy :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36396636

5. How to install full wipe with rom nuke on LSJ

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36655790
[Galaxy S II Android Development] cnjax:
Not trying to argue with you just simply stating the obvious, sammy is only concerned with the mass base that will use their phones stock, if anyone really wants dualboot there's aokp for that. ;)

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] bodomfan:
For some reason my phone downloads much faster at night.not sure if it's the rom I'm on maanz stock rom codename eternity.I tried downloading latest neat rom earlier seemed to take forever.tried again tonight was done in 5 mins.going to flash neat rom tomorrow morning.and see how battery is for a good few days.it's harder downloading roms to a phone :cool:

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] THE RED BLUR:
For gods sake buddy I know this.:rolleyes::D

But my question was what is the purpose of preload and if possible why cant we remove it or a valid reason it should stay which no one so far since jb sammy got released have proven to me or made a valid statement ?

We are already altering things on rom as is to correct Sammy why not this :).

Of course people can use aokp but I would love to be able to duel boot between Aokp and jb sammy with ease. Call me selfish. :D:p

But a lot of people I know would like to do it not to mention the storage space increased not taken up by preload for non duel boot users;)

If some dev found a proper way to remove it without having a negative impact to rom then I certainly would try that rom for sure in that everything still works. :)

Unlike that duel boot workaround thread which I linked earlier where what they do is not my cup of tea as you would also have to manually change mods in order for them to work, and remove a ton of apps etc.

Bombay can explain he is our resident expert on what you have to do :)

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KERNEL : Philz Touch fixed LSN 4.92.8 (DEFAULT PROFILE AND SETTINGS )

MODEM : MS2

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : Samsung Class 10 32gb

LAUNCHER : Apex Pro

Root Manager : Supersu 1.25

THE CAVE = My Guides list to install NeatRom and other ROMS and kernels on LSJ and LS8 + tools to have a bug free rom and kernel + how to back up and RESTORE ROM OM FULLY = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35923600

1.Current list of kernels on LSJ and pros and cons

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36698607

2.Rom Nuke / Wipe scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742265

3. GS2KERNELWIPE script

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742198

4.Fast Dormancy :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36396636

5. How to install full wipe with rom nuke on LSJ

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36655790
[Galaxy S II Android Development] bodomfan:
Custom Stock Rom 4.1 Eternity Brilliantly Stock
[Galaxy S II Android Development] cnjax:
Yeah i remember when bbb experimented with it, he eventually succeeded but in my opinion it was to much a pain in the but, to even bother with doing it

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] bodomfan:
Is the application manager widget in this rom :rolleyes:

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] ChavitoArg:
Lol

Im from the future, NeatRom v7 is great, but tapatalk doesnt have "time traveler function" ... So i have to read outdated posts. :p

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] cnjax:
Not by default but you can get it from apriliam3 dev host and install it

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] THE RED BLUR:
Exactly and that's why I wanted a dev on xda to come up with a better way to remove it without any negative effects.

I guess i will have to wait for a long time if it even can be done or even possible.

All i want to know is what is the point and validity of preload? That also looks like i have to wait for an answer for ;)

Im tired and need to get up for work soon :cool::banghead:

Catch u all at some point tomorrow. :)

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KERNEL : Philz Touch fixed LSN 4.92.8 (DEFAULT PROFILE AND SETTINGS )

MODEM : MS2

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : Samsung Class 10 32gb

LAUNCHER : Apex Pro

Root Manager : Supersu 1.25

THE CAVE = My Guides list to install NeatRom and other ROMS and kernels on LSJ and LS8 + tools to have a bug free rom and kernel + how to back up and RESTORE ROM OM FULLY = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35923600

1.Current list of kernels on LSJ and pros and cons

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36698607

2.Rom Nuke / Wipe scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742265

3. GS2KERNELWIPE script

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742198

4.Fast Dormancy :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36396636

5. How to install full wipe with rom nuke on LSJ

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36655790
[Galaxy S II Android Development] NoRulesForMe:
Good morning N Fam. :D

So Mr.Many40 have a new record almost 7hrs too like Mr.Bob :cool: nice but he came back on siyah even he had more battery life on Jeboo? :rolleyes: :p

By the way i tried this a few days ago. It is not true. As when you check that it was a bad mp3. Then change the name of the bad mp3. Then scan again it will become Good mp3... wierd right? Just by changing the name it will be good mp3?

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] cnjax:
I would think it does have some purpose otherwise I think sale would have at least eliminated it from the lite version long ago, there most be some type of dependency with system apps

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] parag1dubey:
Good morning folks and what a lovely morning it is :):):) cnjax and red I also think that dual booting would be a great idea. Back when neat Ics was in rage I used to dual boot it with resurrection remix and I liked that convenience of booting into either rom with the press of a button. With that said however, for those who want to dual boot sammy with aokp, there is a thread on xda with a modded vesion of neat 4.4 which can be easily dual booted. So the option is open. :)

Hey ESd, how's it going mate? You all have as fabulous a day as I am going to have and live with passion (been reading tony Robbins) ;):p:D
[Galaxy S II Android Development] raziel123:
preload

If I remember correctly preload was needed because of the rom size being bigger than 500 or so mb. However neatrom is smaller as it is debloated so I think you have a good point red.

I'll leave it to devs to answer

Regards
[Galaxy S II Android Development] churapa:
I hope this can help us understand a little bit more about that subject.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Droid @ CMather:
What is this icon?

Hi All!

Does anyone know what this icon is for?

Is this part of the smart stay feature of S3?

Left from the 3G data icon. Only appears when Data is enabled.

Looks like an “open eye” ????
[Galaxy S II Android Development] d@m3:
From the icon appearance yes, it is the smart stay feature, but it shouldn't appear only when data is enabled, it should be active all of the time.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] electricsheepdreamer:
Hey, good morning people.

Lovely /preload debate :)

The way I figure it is like this: of course, there is no need for it.

AOSP doesn't need it...Google managed to put its bloatware because they developed software.

Sammy wants to show they have their bloatware too because they developed hardware.

So, it's basically a bloatware war.

But Sammy needs Google and Google needs Sammy and they both want your money.

But I might be wrong :)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] NoRulesForMe:
You never get wrong Mr.Esd Money Money Money that's what they think it only Sammy and Google :mad:

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] ChavitoArg:
My 2cents, Sale should make Neat lite more lite (? So all apps can fit in system - if they not fit already - and leave a formatted and empty preload.

+1 for system

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hilmesh:
Hello, that it's the smart stay icon. You can disable it from the settings or the toggles.

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] engloa:
Morning everyone.

Gonna be a busy day today.

Debate on /preload ongoing...

From what i've encountered so far in android kitchen,some apks are placed in the hidden.img of sammy jb roms,so we have to place them in the /preload folder.

A sammy s2 jb rom can't boot if we empty the /preload folder.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] nogo8888:
I would like to thank sir engloa for taking his time, effort and knowledge in making a patched for toggles.

Appreciated it so much sir.

Once again im very happy and proud to be part of this family and who never let me down.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Coempi:
It's always good to have children in a family :D they tend to think differently (which is a good thing). But I think you sometimes expect too much (unfortunately). Nevertheless don't give up expecting :thumbup:

Best regards Coempi
[Galaxy S II Android Development] engloa:
You can pm me if you want, of course that includes all neat members.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] bobdoblo:
You beat me to it! ;)

Thats exactly what i thought, "because it can't all fit in the 504MB system like ICS & GB could" . :confused:

But then again a lot of apps in preload are also in system, why? :confused:

Even after all the apps i delete from both it still stands at 433MB used in system and 198MB used in Preload so still no where near able to fit in system alone. 631/504

Btw, Great time Many:thumbup:

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] Donglip:
Question :

What is the difference beetwen these two mods : S2_NeatROM_bootanimation_2.0.zip and S2_NeatROM_bootanimation.zip ?

I flashed version2, and, when reboot, I didn't see any evident graphical difference with initial version.

Thanks in advance for your lights !
[Galaxy S II Android Development] donzzy:
The other one has a plain black background, which is what I prefer.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Donglip:
I will pay more attention...
[Galaxy S II Android Development] bobdoblo:
Nah! 2.0 all the way:thumbup:

Background quality is top notch.

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] Jeetu:
A big Thanks to Master sale..

If any one want this mod. Flash this

LSN_SkipSongs_AOSPlockScreen_BlueToggles_BlueSTatusBar_Jeetu333.zip - 1.76 MB
[Galaxy S II Android Development] bobdoblo:
Should have put back to kill in it jeetu;)

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] Jeetu:
Yeah!

But I dnt use this ..so this is perfect for me..;)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] hawkerpaul:
As most of you know, /preload came in the first JB leak release due to the fact that all the programs it requires just couldn't fit in /system. ICS was already quite close to the limits, but JB was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Historically, /preload was the HIDDEN filesystem. Its purpose, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it might have had something to do with being reserved for hub applications. It was this /preload partition that enabled Gokhan primarily to begin dual-boot kernel development, having one ROM in /system, and the other on /preload.

This is the reason why dual booting is no longer a straightforward task on JB.

To get this to work on JB we would need a clear /preload, and have all the ROM in /system.

Both /system and /preload are approx 504Mb - 536Mb.

Neat Full couldn't go the /system only route for obvious reasons.

/system (without apps) is approx 425Mb

There are things that could be stripped from here to make space, but this would need to be on an individual's basis

eg. strip out non-relevant csc, apn's, fonts . This could free up approx 50Mb.

Neat Lite apps are approx 260Mb

Already we are 150Mb+ over the /system allowance.

We would therefore need a Neat Weightless ROM :)

However in theory, as long as your system apps do not go over approx 100Mb, then we could have a ROM that does not require /preload.

For this the following would need to happen:

1. ROM zip amended to include all apps in /system instead of /preload

2. ROM updater-script amended so no symlinking occurs

However, the problem lies in after the ROM is up and running when you want to install mods.

Unless the mods specifically work on /system files (which they all will not presently), you would need to be able to modify the zip and updater-script accordingly.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] bobdoblo:
Yeah thats what i was gonna say! :D:thumbup:

Great explanation Hawkerpaul ;)

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] Donglip:
After stopping and rebooting, I think my preference goes to second version

But, when switching off, it comes a previous... Samsung animation...

May I suggest, for homogeneity, to have an animation with the same quality and style than the starting animation ?

I am confused for the developper. ;)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] d@m3:
It can't be any clearer. Nice post @hawkerpaul :good:
[Galaxy S II Android Development] quijote1:
A Proposal for the Moderators

Hola, now that Hawkerpaul has explained the preload problem, I have a suggestion that perhaps ApriliaM3 could present to XDA Management.

I've been with this thread at least as long as the regular participants, but haven't had a chance to participate much because I only read the thread 3 times a day and each time I see a question that I might answer I realize that there are still 20 pages that I haven't read - and certainly the question has already been answered. So I don't really feel like one of the "family" insiders.

But I have an idea that could make the thread a lot more manageable for those who don't keep XDA onscreen all day long. I've used other forums where there are topics and sub-topics. For example, someone asks a question - that post becomes the topic and then all answers to that question become subtopics. Then it is possible to read the thread, looking at just the topics and if it is interesting, then you can open the topic and read all the subtopic answers. That would allow people to pass more quickly through the posts without having to read 20 different happy birthday wishes (those would all be grouped under the first happy birthday wish). Equally, if someone asks a question that I know the answer to, I can open the topic and read all the other answers. If there is still something for me to add, I can then do it without having to go to the end of the thread. I'm sure that you can see many other advantages.

But this is a major change for XDA and would need to get a big push from the moderators.

I think it would make the forums more pleasant since OT posts would not be as bothersome for those who don't want to see them - and would allow those who want to socialize the chance to do so in a topic dedicated to that.

OK, so I get to contribute something..... best wishes to all......:good:
[Galaxy S II Android Development] rajarshi10:
I'm really confused between LSN and LSD. MS1 is not in the scene but can anyone give me a conclusive answer between LSN & LSD?
[Galaxy S II Android Development] hawkerpaul:
@quijote1:

It is better to make forum suggestions here
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mr_zuff:
Lsn has a better wifi manager (less baterry drain), seems smoother and give us placebo effect: do you want more motivations to do the change?? :D :P
[Galaxy S II Android Development] THE RED BLUR:
Thanks butty :);):thumbup::thumbup:

This was what I was after and who better to breakdown and explain.:)

Seems like the duel boot jb sammy thread is already kind of doing what you said about how to remove preload

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2120514

I just wasnt a fan of having to wait for mods to have to be changed or altered. Unless a thread of mods was setup where things like Jb reloaded, AllianceMod etc.. Which would index all adjusted mods already to work with this altered feather lite system :);)

Edit.

Got another good answer here as well. ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=40128467

From the looks of it no duel boot possible without comprises :(

Ah well never mind.

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Platform : JB 4.1.2

KERNEL : Philz Touch fixed LSN 4.92.8 (DEFAULT PROFILE AND SETTINGS )

MODEM : MS2

BATTERY : Stock 1650mAh

EXTERNAL Sdcard : Samsung Class 10 32gb

LAUNCHER : Apex Pro

Root Manager : Supersu 1.25

THE CAVE = My Guides list to install NeatRom and other ROMS and kernels on LSJ and LS8 + tools to have a bug free rom and kernel + how to back up and RESTORE ROM OM FULLY = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=35923600

1.Current list of kernels on LSJ and pros and cons

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36698607

2.Rom Nuke / Wipe scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742265

3. GS2KERNELWIPE script

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36742198

4.Fast Dormancy :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36396636

5. How to install full wipe with rom nuke on LSJ

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36655790
[Galaxy S II Android Development] SpikeNaples:
Same... How to? :) can we just flash this like a ROM?

*Sent from my S2*
[Galaxy S II Android Development] quijote1:
Thanx Paul, I will do just that!