yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
Sounds great. Hope people stop PM spamming you now. First your thread now your PM mailbox.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] PhilUSAF21:
Im just throwing it out there but cashy said this also make a facebook group! Its super easy ppl request to be apart of it. Over on vibrant forums they have a group for ics passion and its clean and simple.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jessejames111981:
i can only imagine how exciting the threads in development would be to read if the useless stuff was taken out. So much easier to find solutions to problems if the thread was filled with solutions/problems. even better if each thread in development had sub threads for various issues so a person can try a rom and if they have an issue they can open up a sub thread list and BAM, easier than search and hopefully that will remove a useless post of a repeat question being asked
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] avarize:
Lock the dev posts for 50+. Post count?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
Did you not see the post count of some of the people who got infractions. You would have to lock the dev posts to 3000+ post count.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] avarize:
Didn't look it over to much, but I know most of the threads started in the dev section that don't belong are low counts normally.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] drewtang:
While I absolutely understand where people's excitement with those threads was coming from(hell I don't even have the phone anymore, and I was stoked lol), 40 pages of posts that had nothing to do with development, or hardly the rom itself, was a bit ridiculous. You have to consider how many forums are on XDA, and how much work the mods have to do to keep up with all of them. General chit chat should be kept to things like irc, and the GENERAL forums. How can a developer find legitimate posts with bugs(and hopefully a logcat lol) when they have to sift through all those posts, after already spending countless, sleepless hours just developing the rom? I think people are taking this situation a bit too personally...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Beefvvl:
I didn't mean to go through the whole thread and report each individual ourselves. But if you do see people doing it then you can if it bothers you. I still haven't even done that myself. But I have reported threads in the wrong sections and duplicate threads many times since I've owned a Vibrant up till now with the S 2.

I agree with someone who posted that maybe we should fit some criteria before we can even post in the Dev Section. Like learn how to make a logcat and maybe submit a logcat showing that you've learned how.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DesignGrits:
Maybe create a thread for everyone to talk on about the thread and say move the conversations over there or you will get an infraction, rather then lock the thread and give people infractions anyways.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
The thing you are describing is called the general forum. The general forum is not for general android news posts but it is for t989 rom talk.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] cashyftw:
Or... he can make that facebook group..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DesignGrits:
Correct, they should have created a thread that was specifically for that rom in the general forum for everyone to get help and talk about the rom. But the way they are playing it out is preventing people from socializing with each other at all. We all have the same device and we all are really excited, and yes some people need more help then others....especially when they don't use the search field. With all that said, I want to socialize with other members and get to know people that have a interest in the same things I am interested in.

Either way, I have no say, just pointing out a different perspective.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] drewtang:
Or people could follow the rules that are stickied in every development forum, just saying ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
You could contribute something positive by doing just that and creating a thanks thread for that rom in the general forum. There is no stopping you from doing that because its the general forum and you would be creating a thread about a t989 rom.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Android_Monsters:
I say let people have their fun. Trolling is one thing. Getting excited is another. Who is the moderator of this forum anyway?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DesignGrits:
I think its All Gamer, but he is not the one that was at work today.

Anyways, enough said. I don't want to keep on with this. I am very happy with what the Devs have done.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Beefvvl:
Hopefully Raver will do what Racer did and start a Q&A section for his ICS	ROM to help keep his Dev thread clean.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
The only regretful part is that the response for the infractions has been

this)

why? I didnt do anything wrong

instead of this)

I will use the thanks button. How do I properly report a bug and create a logcat?

I want to learn to be a more useful tester for the devs.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Teo032:
damn you guys are still going on about this LOL, did you guys do anything productive like i suggested?

I believe raver requested his thread to be closed remove etc.

BTW you guys are just complaining about the situation to each other, the guys who actually did most of the spamming and bickering aren't even looking at this thread.

There is a Q&A thread for the port now. They should just close the dev threads and force people to just read the OP alone lol, that should fix a lot of questions.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zkid2010:
There is no dev thread anymore.

PS - post 666 - and in your thread jim93...nice.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
yea they are some of them have posted in this thread.

links to threads still there with dl links still up

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1566811

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1567524

i LOL at the 666 part.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] zkid2010:
Well said man. Takes a bigger man to move on instead of incessantly trying to show everyone how right he is. ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Teo032:
lol damn it jim, you're having a bad day aren't you lol. You're usually not very literal. Yes a few are looking, but the majority aren't. What I meant was you guys CONTINUING to complain to each other isn't going to do anything because what i've read, it's bringing up the same thing over and over.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] monkeypaws:
Who has a link to xboarders sourceforge account. Googled but found nothing, but random XDa posts.

edit--sorry i found it. -nothing new....yet.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
Its funny because i was telling everyone to be patient but tgey decided to act like school children running wild. I was pissed talking to Raver yesterday, he even thought I was pissed at him for a moment, I was mad because of how people were acting in the ICS threads. Was ICS even all that great?...

Dont get it twisted for a second, people know the rules bbut if they see "that guy or girl make a post like that" they feel the need to also. People dont search because they always want instant answers, hence why the same question is asked over a million times. I could go on for hours but Its really no point.

M&S
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] PhilUSAF21:
People just need to learn to be patient and wait for info or update.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Teo032:
and the people who tried to read the thread couldn't keep up with the insane amount of traffic.

and the questions that people who post for instant answers are buried in the traffic

and so the people will post their question again because they don't see their question quoted for an answer

but the answers were probably repeated many times throughout the thread... especially in the first couple posts... lol

but then again... where the hell did all those people come from lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] monkeypaws:
Someone went and notified the skyrocket people and invited them over. Saw it on their threads last night. That is why th thread got mobbed. It wasn't just us but skyrocket users and misc users. I do agree. I felt bad because dev seemed overwhelmed trying to fix audio issues and rril issues and couldn't answer all the questions. I think deva should have.minimal mod access where they.can delete posts or even lock their own threads. It would take time away from actual mods and if it then gets out of.control then mod can be called to straighten people up.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Teo032:
Oh dude Raver's thread wasn't THAT bad except the first 20pages BEFORE release LAWL. After 3 hours of it being released it died down. SR users didn't bothered because not much worked...

BUT RACING's thread.... that's another story.

btw guys, check out the Q&A thread for the ported ROM. found a couple temp fixes such as using the gallery for wallpaper bug thing or whatever.. tethering works.. and reboot with power button seems to have fixed itself... not sure how though.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] deathknellx:
I can see this issue from both sides and I can say without any doubt that I had conrtibuted to some of the off-topic banter...waiting for mirrors to upload. Imagine yourself at a concert to see Metallica, and waiting in those huge lines, everyone tired and hopped up on god knows what, and the anticipation building. Imagine as you are still outside the stadium and you hear the music starting and you want to get inside so bad. I don't think many real people would just sit there quietly waiting when there are hundreds of others within shouting distance. It is human nature to socialize. I was caught up in the excitement as well.

Obviously no wants to read through hundreds of posts to find answers to questions. It all becomes mind-numbing and very annoying to here so many questions over and over and over of the same thing. Especially if it is anwered in the original post OP.

With all that being said, I don't think a lot of harm came from the useless chatter that came about because of excitement and anticipation of the moment. Let's face it, after a couple of days the hype, that would go away and so would all the stupid, funny, flaming rhetoric.

It's funny when moments like this take place here and on places like Rootzwiki, I feel close to people I don't even really know, don't even know what they look like (actually don't want to know...I imagine you are all beautiful swimsuit models), but enough of my problems.

I don't know, maybe I only see this from my side. I visit this site EVERY GOD AWEFUL DAY and I enjoy reading through the threads and trying to learn how to do this or that. I like reading the stupid and funny comments.

With all this being said, this will be my 61rst post in almost two years. I've used a G1, HD2,G2X, and now an SGII. I think I have flashed damn near every ROM from those forums on my phones and nver once bricked these devices, like I said I like to READ.

See below for an example of what I'm talking about. This guy has 1737 posts and he's not here to social????? WTF...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] tdizzle404:
2 problems I see is the repeated same question and people hopping from thread to thread just to say hello this isnt a freaking soc club.

Go to facebook for that.

We dont care about your day on xda
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] diamantericos:
I think if possible all post should have to be approved by moderator before posted. Kinda like a pre filter. That way to keep threads open to people which actually listen and appreciate the devs work.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
I actually came late to the ics thread both of them. Read the op. Nandroid and tried them out. II had a problem with my sim card not being read. First thing I thought a reboot would fix it. of course it did.

Op said their was a problem with powering off the device. Looked for an app called quick reboot fixed got to recovery and powered off correctly. Soon as I was going to post. I saw the thread was being flooded with the same post. I was using the xda app every three post was the same question.

I winded up just saying forget it. I looked back at least five minutes later and saw the thread cleaned up of useless post. Ok let me post soon as I reload the app. Same useless post and same questions. Most people one didn't read the OP or want to be spooned feed answers that are already there.

https://plus.google.com/photos/107533012468096442934/albums/5723589748608763809 information for ics
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] tdizzle404:
So what site or forum will be used for the development?

If it is a secret site noob free someone please pm me lol :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
People havent learned a thing. In this thread people are beginning to ask question already answered. Look at how the thanks have been distributed in this thread. People are who got infractions or are saying how we should be allowed to go off topic 20 pages are being mostly thanked. People dont see the difference between 10 off topic posts and 10 pages of off topic posts. People are voting with their thanks and what they want is to be able to spam the dev threads as they please, get instant answers to question that may have been asked 1000 times , and not be bothered learning how to make a logcat. They want to defend themselves by saying it only happened this time because they were excited while at the exact same time arguing that why are the mods doing anything if it happens all the time. This is logically trying to have it both ways.

The majority of people are refusing to take 30 minutes to learn how to make a log cat. Devs takes hours off days of their lives and you cant take half an hour to learn how to make a logcat to give them proper feedback this is despite you spend hours flashing your device and on this forum..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DannyB513:
Let the FLAMING begin

I was the one that sent the request for the thread to be cleaned up, not Raver. Raver's only problem was putting up a thread 2-3 hours before he was ready to upload his work. People were getting flamed for asking questions, that to find the answers to them, they would have had to look through 40 pages of mostly garbage posts.

You all can be pissed at me if you want. I really don't care. It is not my problem that after the thread was cleaned up from 44 pages to 4 pages of on-topic posts and you were all asked to stop the spamming, you couldn't be adults and knock it off.

We have already lost one of, if not the top dev we had for our phones: TDJ, because of the stupidness that goes on in these forums for the T989. Hope you are all real proud of yourselves!!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] conantroutman:
Unfortunately this kind of person is now the majority, however I would urge anyone who notices somebody derailing a development thread to report the issue.

If you want to talk non development related crap then feel free to head on over to off topic.

If you want to ask questions that have been answered a thousand times before, don't be surprised when you are told to search before posting and/or have your post deleted.

To those of you complaining about over zealous moderation.......

http://www.humorsharing.com/media/comment/1202/****_that_guy_dumb_bitch_yao_ming_rage_face_4f352e200f142.png

This is a development forum, primarily for developers....

You are entitled to nothing and should absolutely not expect to be spoonfed the work of these developers or answers to problems which are probably of your own making and could probably be easily fixed with a little research and patience.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DesignGrits:
There needs to be some sort of clarity on it though and has to be coordinated by the Dev who created the app. If you guys post fixes in the Dev section than no one in the questions and answers thread would no about it. unless we are keeping track of both threads. Why not get everyone on the same page and lock rom threads upon release and have a Q&A Thread for that specific rom where everyone can ask questions and get answers. Someone can even be in charge of posting solutions in the OP or something.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
Synergeticink is right. The devs should be doing more work moderating their threads and less deving. They owe us this and facebook groups dont forget that. Lazy devs
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] avarize:
Let's take a look at the Juggs 5.0 thread then, You're telling me all 6,795 posts are on topic and relevant to delevopment?

My solution is just to place each release under lock and key to the op and others labeled as "recognized developer" titles.

Then each new rom gets a post in the Q&A section for the rest of us.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] TheSeanTeam:
The hammer needs to drop on the spazzes. Asking to move comments to a Facebook group? Say what?!!

The only people complaining about the locked threads are the violators who don't get it. I'd be shocked if these very people don't go flooding the thread with useless crap once it gets unlocked.

The Development Section needs strong, heavy handed moderation. Keep it relevant, helpful and as noise free as possible... Which will make it better for everyone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
It doesnt matter as long as people refuse to take the time to do the basics and learn how to properly report bugs to the devs. If the devs cant make some of you interact like adults and put in some time to learn, no one can.

Obviously reporting "data no work" without more info 100 times is the way to go.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DesignGrits:
It doesn't have to be the Devs.... Go to the AT&T GNote section and take a look how its structed....exactly the way I was saying.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
This is probably the reason they clamped down this time because at a certain point it becomes uncleanable. When they clean threads they actually go through each page and look for useful posts to save.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
I could quote you and it would say you suggested the op who created the mod do the work but I dont think it matters since you have changed your beliefs multiple times to refuse to belief you went off topic in posts for deving.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] DesignGrits:
Jim I am not sure what post you are reading dude. Its not that hard nor difficult to create a thread.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] tdizzle404:
I get what your saying,and No I'de say maybe 1000 of the post in juggs thread actually have anything to did with developing that rom or even fixing bugs. Which is sick.

The problem at hand is the t989 development forum as a whole.

These mods let the whiny, cry baby, people than can barely take a screen shot without a power menu mod run these threads to hell and back.

It just so happen that they took action in the ics threads cause people were acting like total fools,freakin crack heads that ran out.

People were all mad cause they couldn't be testers. "I mean c mon has it gotten this bad?

TDJ is gone and that is a direct result of the t989 community. Not as a whole,but you know what I mean.

I got a 5 point infraction for posting off topic though it was somewhat rom related it was off the topic @ hand.I am not mad I am glad :) I hope that this will clean up the chit chat and "Hey guys what up anything new" The development threads are not a social clubs nobody cares about your day,go tweet it or post it on Facebook.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Master&Slave™:
We can lock and re-open our own threadd

M&S
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] monkeypaws:
Oh learned something new today. We'll Eugene posted he is uploading his Cm7 rom so don't go crazy.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] RaverX3X:
And guys remember Blowing up our inbox's is sure fire way to just piss us off... We will keep you updated and informed. When have we not?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] monkeypaws:
I agree. When I was following the milocker thread there was.png specifically for development and uploading of new themes,.lockscreens and a second one for.comments and faqs. The.main one was specifically noted that it said not okay to get off topic and it was fairly moderated and clean. It was easy yo find what you were looking for.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jim93:
Its probably time for the mods to close the thread. Xraver and devs have had their opinions shared. Mods have had their opinions shared. People with infractions have had their opinions shared.

There are 4 types of post in the dev threads

1) Original post by dev and updates by dev

2) Thanking the dev.

3) Bug reports

4) Useless questions and responses

The mods closed the dev threads. People want the mods to open those threads but why? Which type of posts are being prevented by keeping the threads currently closed

type 1) This is not being prevented since the dev can reopen and edit the thread if he chooses.

type 2) This is not being prevented since the thanks buttons work perfectly fine.

type 3) See Logcat thread which would teach users how to make a proper bug report http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1568210 or it is possible to make a q and a thread like the following threadhttp://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1568319http://

type 4) Yes, this type of post is being prevented.

So the only reason anyone would want the dev threads back right now is to fill it with useless posts. Yes some threads are already filled with so much useless stuff the mods have given up but that is exactly why the mods seem to be trying to keep new threads from reaching the point they cant be cleaned.

I started the thread to try to prevent the dev threads from being closed in the first place but the response obviously was to ignore the warning signs and continue on as if the consequences were not obvious. I then hoped that something could be learned and maybe active posters could be shamed into learning what a "logcat" is or a "terminal" is or what "sudo" does. However instead of being ashamed of not knowing these basic things (that would help you guys help the devs debug their code) active posters in the t989 forum are proud of not knowing these things. You are proud to want immediate answers and can not be bothered to learn how to properly report a bug using a logcat.

M&S is right that a disease is happening and thank god xda is a dictatorship because the active posters want to institute an idiocracy. I think I understand what tdj meant.

Now I hope the mods can just close this thread.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] XPerties:
WOW....JUST WOW!

I read some threads this morning, finished my meetings in Oklahoma city and drove home. Walked in the door and for the last hour I have read page after page of ICS threads with people saying "stay on topic" and people just keep posting "thanks" and other BS and then the thread gets closed.

For F'in sakes people. Are we that retarded in the head to just flash the rom and when you find something post int he proper general section or requested section to help the devs. I so want to flash but I cant make heads or tales of what is good and what is bad.

*beats head on wall*
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] EuroSpeed:
This is ridiculous, Eugenes thread got off-topic so fast. People just don't listen.

Sent from my SGH-T989
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] new ion?:
Mods should break out the ban-hammer.

Week long bans or something. With a nice email telling them to get their poop in a group and pay the hell attention, or else be banned for good.

Kinda the way we run it on pbnation... though that has warnings and such.

possible idea for forum improvement?