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[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
well it keeps turning off after i press vol up to update...

so basically my last option is to do a battery pull instead of doing the usb pull? I tried a couple times and can't get it to work :(
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Try using the instructions for extracting the RUU rom.zip from my previous post. Try using that zip file instead.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
Ok i'm going to try that now
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Okay. Sounds good. I'm going to be away from my computer for a little while, but will be back soon(ish (ideally). :)

Edit: If you continue to have the same issue with the other, go ahead and do the battery pull instead.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
okay man i'll give it a try... is there anyone who has successfully downgraded using the battery pull method???
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Short answer is yes. All you are doing is cutting power to the phone at a specific time in the load process. How you do it shouldn't matter. - But try the other RUU first.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
Ok well I did what u said and the phone still turns off... I tried pulling the battery also and i couldn't get it to brick.... This is the only phone I have problems with.. I successfully downgraded 2 already... :mad:
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Can you try using a different SD Card or formatting the one that's in your phone right now (copy all of the data to your computer, format the card, copy the RUU to the card)? There are several things that could be causing this. I'm trying.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] .Elite_The_King.:
Are you pressing the update button with out the cover on the back if thats the case just leave the cover on the press the update button then remove the cover in 4 secs. for some reason trying to press the update button with out the back cover turns the phone which led me to try the battery method with the cover on its unusual I say but it works. That's reason I couldn't brick it also.
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
If he's done two already, I doubt he's not doing it correctly. Try a different power source, cable and/or power adapter. I've heard a few times where people have tried different places to get power from and it worked better than others, also, the battery pull does work, again all you're really doing is interrupting the flash of the hboot so that it becomes corrupt and the radio throws it into "emergency recovery mode." The most important part is TIMING it correctly so that it interrupts it at the exact moment it's flashing it.
[HTC EVO 3D] .Elite_The_King.:
I did one with your method it work flawlessly, but for some reason the other two I was also giving the same trouble he's having where every time I press update the damn phone turn off on me then i tried pressing the update button with out the back cover so i could pulled the battery out but it turn off also, I said what the hell try it with the cover on, but i had to remove the cover in 4 sec which is hard to remove by the way, and it work :confused: <--- at moment as to why it wasn't the other ways maybe the newer models have something that requires them to have the cover on as you press the update sorryy bout my story unknownforce.
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
The battery cover is all plastic, if it had any metal in it at all, I might agree, but there is nothing conductive on the battery cover at all. So no power could go through it, nothing to keep it running for the update. I'm not saying it doesn't help to press the button, but it's simply not scientifically possible for it to affect the update process. Plastic doesn't conduct electricity, at least not in the levels that are needed for this process.
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
What I'm most curious about is why so many people are running into this roadblock where the RUU they try doesn't work completely. Then there seems to be about 5 or 6 different ways that the problem can be resolved. I had absolutely no issue when I bricked my phone. I even came from a previously HTCDev unlocked situation. For some phones, it seems like you have to try some strange voodoo magic to get it to load. Everything from formatting the SD card, to using an RUU from somewhere else, to using different power outlets, to the problem just "fixing itself," seem a little strange to me.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] .Elite_The_King.:
I keep pondering that question myself till this day.

So am I closeone so am I, but as long as they as all work is all good in my book.:D:D
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
Ok be nice im coming from ns4g wich is alot easier to root..alright im trying to downgrade to 1.4 using the usb flash i downloaded the coreusb thing and rebooted my computer but nothing pops up and i checked my flash drive and theres 2 folders one says boot the other tce ..any help would be appreciated :)
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
Depending on what kind of computer you have, they typically have a boot menu that you can hit like F12 while starting up to select. If not, press delete, or F2 at the start to get into the bios and set your boot order to the flash drive first.
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
Ok thanks ill give it a try

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Alright ty that worked couple questions kinda lost on what to do first

should i get revs beta key before i do this

wich option do i do first the downgrade (unbrick)

sorry for the noob questions and thanks for the fast replys:)
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
Think of it like a car battery. If you don't have enough power in the battery turn the starter and crank the engine what does it do... it clicks... It's trying to start, but it can't get enough power to do so.

This is why the phone shuts off when it goes to update. It's not receiving enough power to STAY ON. When it starts updating the power drain increases a LOT, and since you're only on A/C Power, if there isn't enough, It simply doesn't have anymore to give... So... boom, it shuts off. This is why different power sources/cables work. Make sure you're plugging directly into the wall. instead of through a power strip (which could limit the amount of power or have other things plugged into it, also limiting the amount of power that it can have)

The problem people face with RUU's is HTCUnlock, I didn't develop this around it at all. I don't know why it doesn't like PG86IMG files when it's unlocked, that makes no sense to me. However, it's just the way it is, now the problem people are running into is that certain update files don't update everything. So they end up with a "security warning" because something like the recovery doesn't have an HTC Signature. So they have stock, but not stock everything. The SD Card issues are more than likely issues that have been there but since you didn't need it for critical updates, it wasn't an issue until now.

Just about everything has a rational explanation. The biggest reason that people are running into problems is because HTC Designed their devices to be as brick-proof as possible, as such, we have a window of about 0.5 - 1 seconds to get the correct timing to perform the brick properly. Add in the random Update times due to "sitting" for longer periods of time... And it can become quite the task to get it bricked.

Just really takes time and patience and a little understanding as to why certain things are happening.
[HTC EVO 3D] Alpine-:
I have a refurb 3D (TEP replacement) with 1.5 HBOOT coming in the mail now. I plan to use this method as soon as I get it. It will be locked, so this should be quick and easy... I hope!

Much thanks to Unknownforce and closeone!
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
Well I tried different outlets on my house and its a no go... Like I said I successfully downgraded 2 phones with no problems... I'm going to try to have the cover on like someone said or switch sd cards
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
Switching SD Cards does nothing, the zip file is copied FROM the sd card to the device when before it prompts to update. But, what you can try is pull the sd card while it says press key to update, then try to update again. It might just give you back enough power that the sd card is using in order for the phone to stay on.
[HTC EVO 3D] Alpine-:
Once I get this refurb and downgrade HBOOT, I was going to try MeanRom since it's developed for the latest 2.17 base and is speeding along in dev while Warm Rom has sort of sputtered out as of late. Mikey of MeanRom actually recommends 4EXT Touch Recovery because its apparently more stable.

Any thoughts on this? 4EXT seems to be the least popular of the ones discussed. I never see much talk of it. I assume the main benefit of SmartFlash is you can flash the boot partition even when S-ON? However, if you downgrade to 1.4 HBOOT + S_OFF I guess that is no longer an issue anyway. Are 4EXT's backups universally compatible like Clockworks? Has anyone had any trouble with MeanRom + Clockwork?
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
I'll give this a try man...that means I have to take the cover off and the battery off in 4 seconds right
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
Ok so when it prompts me to update I take the sd card out and then press vol up?
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
Well guys im going to try the possible ways all you guys suggested later today I'm heading to school in a bit

Thanks for allthe replies and not leaving me hanging!
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
Correct, It's worth a shot, again, the problem here is the device doesn't have enough juice to stay on and perform the update. The power drain increases beyond what your outlet/power source/cable/whatever can provide, so the phone shuts off. So removing the sd card might just put it back under the red line.
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Thanks for the reply. It makes perfect sense with what you're saying in terms of power issues (and why updates will work when the battery is in). I did forget about the fact that the RUU is copied to internal memory (hence the long wait time while the RUU "loads"). While it is more difficult to time correctly, a battery pull would probably be advisable in some cases. A couple posts back, I said almost exactly the same thing you said: Essentially, as long as the device loses power at the right time, it doesn't matter how you cut power going to the unit. On the security warning issue (I got it myself), that's why I made sure to make it clear to run the RUU once through before bricking the device. Now, I do realize that I am operating on the old idea (with the old misc_version utility) of having to boot into the OS to temproot and do the Mainver change (which, in this situation doesn't apply anymore). This may likely mean that the user no longer has to run the RUU all the way through before bricking due to the way the mainver is changed when running your new downgrade utility.

My rationale behind different SD cards is flawed (understandably). I have handed out that advice when the RUU would just not run after pressing the volume + button (fully checking MD5 hashes beforehand to confirm that the RUU was not corrupt). A change of SD card (or format of the one in the device) in that situation has worked. I can back that up with some posts if needed.

Having the cover on the back of the unit does nothing. As Unknownforce said, there is nothing in that back cover but plastic. For Elite, it just appears that the time that it took to take off the cover and pull the battery coincidentally matched the time needed to brick the device. (By the way Elite, I'm not trying to put you down on anything. Please don't think that I am.)

4EXT is relatively new to the EVO 3D scene. That's why it's the least talked about around here. There should be no problem with backups between these two different recovery solutions. I can't say for sure that there won't be incompatibilities, but likely everything should be fully compatible. In response to your question about SmartFlash, yes.

I apologize for the confusion and frustration.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] .Elite_The_King.:
Guys I really doesn't matter as long as it works, yeah i had the device connected to a powersource straight from the panel which is a dedicated outlet kept turning off everytime I hit the update button and was using the charger that came with the evo3D but it also turn off while the battery was in it but with out the cover I just said as last resort to press the update with the cover on and work so ain't really tripping cause it work.:D:D:D remember what works for you might not work for me ;):p
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
well pulling out the sd before i press vol up to update didn't work... it still turns off so i guess i'll have to do a battery pull which seems very difficult to do :mad:

Edit: i'm starting to think there's something wrong with this phone because even when i try to brick by pulling the battery and putting it back in i don't get any dim light whether it's a blinking dim light or a solid dim light..
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Keep trying (using the battery pull). :) There are some people said that they did it many, many times before they were able to brick it. There's nothing wrong with the phone. It's doing what its supposed to do -- saving itself from hitting that bricked state. Don't bother with the power cable.

That split second is all you need for it to brick.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
alright man i'll keep trying hopefully i'll get it to brick....

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edit: thought I had bricked but its not supposed to boot... However it booted into bootloader only
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
ok im doing what the op says do with the pg86img.zip on the sd card when i boot into the bootloader it says no img found nothing to flash..ima anoob so sorry..:o
[HTC EVO 3D] KL45SiiK:
I'm sure it still loading the file in the upper right corner there should be a bar then it will prompt u to update
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
As far as I know, PG86IMG should be capitalized. Also, make sure that you haven't named it PG86IMG.zip.zip. If you have show file extensions turned off on your computer, just name it PG86IMG (if you don't see .doc, .exe, .mp3, etc at the end of files, it's off).

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
Yea no bar in the upper right hand corner

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Thanks for your help but still doesnt work i tried both ways with just the img and with the zip all caps just says sd checking no image found..:confused im at a loss
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Did you put the zip file in the root (top directory) of the SD Card? If you put it in a folder on your SD Card, move it out. Also, if it is already there, try taking off the .zip the file (name it PG86IMG instead of PG86IMG.zip).

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
Thats what i did i put it at the root of the sd card its updating now:)
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
so im trying to run the ruu 1.13 and its telling me the it cant detect my phone and to make sure the usb is plugged in correctly to the phone and comp wich they are..any help would be appreciated
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Boot your phone into the bootloader (Fastboot mode) and run the RUU.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
so should i delete the pg86 zip cuz it wants to update

thanks for your help and patience
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Yes you should.

And you're very welcome. ;)

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
ok its telling me image version 2.17.651.5 and asking me to update the current rom version should i or just cancel

updated to 1.13
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Do not take OTA updates. Ever. Make sure to check my post #3 for more information.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
ok couple more questions im entering the beta key just like it looks and its telling me invald key abortng is this normal and when i try to install cwm from the kit it fails
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
No it's not normal. Make sure that you have entered it exactly as it appears on the Revolutionary website (and yes... you MUST use the serial number off of your phone - that's how you get a valid beta key).

It won't install ClockworkMod because you aren't Unlocked (S-OFF) yet. Run Revolutionary all the way through first, then install ClockworkMod Recovery.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
alright it says s off but at the top it doesnt say revolutionary am i good to go or does it need to say that?
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Run Revolutionary one or two more times. It should actually have a magenta colored banner that says Revolutionary inside of it.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] scott420:
YES!! it worked now gonna attempt to install cwm....if i could hit the thanks button 300 times i would thanks for all your help and input co:)
[HTC EVO 3D] OneHitWonder:
Locked Vs Relocked

Does any one know if after you brick the phone and run the old RUU. Will the phone show locked and not relocked?
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
If you stay on 1.40.0000 it will not show either. But if you go back to 1.50.0000 it will show if it was ever unlocked because it will say RELOCKED instead of LOCKED. This process does not change that flag.
[HTC EVO 3D] cash525:
Is there a way to reset to locked?
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
I'm sure it's possible, but I would need a second phone that's been unlocked/relocked to mess with and figure it out.
[HTC EVO 3D] biff6789:
Looks like we may have another hard brick :(

Tried about 10 times to get it to brick with no success and no dim light showing and just kept retrying. Tried the 11th time same way and now the device will not power on at all. No lights when plugged in. Can't get into bootloader or fastboot. Nothing.

Battery has 85% charge so no issue there. When I plug it into Windows in device manager I see a device show up under "other devices" with the name QHSUSB_DLOAD. But I can't seem to communicate with the phone at all. I think I'm hosed

EDIT: False alarm. This means it's bricked. The utility wasn't working in Linux because of a system board issue with the laptop I was running. That QHSUSB_DLOAD is a GOOD thing and means you're in download mode and ready to downgrade. I was able to successfully downgrade. Thanks anyway!
[HTC EVO 3D] elektrik2001:
Heya ! Sorry for the late follow-up. I wanted to try the CD again a few times to be sure of my results before posting.

I was unable to duplicate the problems I experienced the first time (that being the LiveCD not recognizing my phone). Either I did something wrong that first time, or perhaps I had rebooted and the computer had a temporary USB failure (grabbing at straws, although possibly not because occasionally I have to reboot this laptop because Windows doesn't always recognize the USB device...) because I didn't 'hard boot' it (again, grabbing at straws).

To answer the other questions:

- Did the MD5 checksum match on the download? < -- yes

- Anything strange happen on-screen? <--- no

- Is anything outputted to the display when running it?<--- The LiveCD booted normally and was waiting to detect the Phone, which it did not.

Either way, I'll try it occasionally to see if I can ever duplicate the situation and let you know.

Again, sorry for the late follow up!
[HTC EVO 3D] Saneless One:
When I ran 2.17 RUU on my 1.4 unlocked s-off phone, it gave me 1.5 Hboot, locked it (simply said Locked, not relocked), but it was still s-off.
[HTC EVO 3D] Darthdaddy:
stuck at step 24, i open the ruu.exe and plug in the phone as instructed, and then get error 170: usb connection error. anyone run into this before? i can still mount storage.
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Reboot into the bootloader (FASTBOOT USB mode) on your phone and then run the RUU.

Whoops. I'm sorry. Make sure that you have the drivers installed for your phone. Try these: http://downloads.unrevoked.com/HTCDriver3.0.0.007.exe <-- Thanks to Mpgrimm2 for the link.

If that doesn't work, let me know.

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
No problem. Thanks. When running the downgrade tool, it won't detect anything if the phone isn't in a bricked state. If you run the "Check Device Status" feature while booted with USB debugging turned on (on the phone), it should report a connection.

Thanks again,

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] ronyoung08:
What's the beta code for Revolutionary on the Toolkit CD?

Will any code work or do I really need to type in my serial number, etc?
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
revolutionary.io

Each beta key is unique per the device serial number.
[HTC EVO 3D] ronyoung08:
Ok and would I choose Linux or Windows? I have Windows but the live CD is Linux (correct?)...
[HTC EVO 3D] Unknownforce:
It depends on what operating system you're using to run revolutionary on. If you're using the live CD it's linux, if you're booting back to windows to run revolutionary, then it's obviously windows.
[HTC EVO 3D] gokart2:
EDIT: Question answered above
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
*applause* restored my faith in the community right there lol good on ya!
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
I apologize for not being here most of today. Today has... sort of... sucked :( (hint: I'm currently booted into Safe Mode with networking support). I believe I have enough of an excuse to become a full-time Linux user. I digress.

I am sorry if any questions directed toward me have been missed. I'm working to balance things in real life and things here. Thank you again to everyone sticking around in the thread and helping out.

Thank you Unknownforce. :)

I should have made been a little clearer in my directions on obtaining your Revolutionary key. If you plan to run Revolutionary from the Live CD, go ahead and head to the revolutionary.io website.

Under the heading 'Downloads,' click 'Download for Linux.' Cancel out the download.

Set the dropdown menus as follows:

Your operating system: Linux

Your device: HTC Evo 3D CDMA

HBOOT version: 1.40.0000

Serial number: [YOURPHONESSERIAL] (and yes, it has to be correct. Revolutionary will not without the key corresponding to your phone's serial number)

Click 'Generate key.' Make note of the key for when your ready to run Revolutionary (remember: the key is case sensitive).

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
We gotcha bro, handle ya bizness ;)

:thumbup::D:beer:
[HTC EVO 3D] keejung:
I don't know if anyone has had this but when I bricked my phone the red light didn't come on at all... Everything else works a as normal.. Thanks all you guys..
[HTC EVO 3D] rsgalas:
Please include in this guide that even though you are running a windows computer, you need to get the linux key for revolutionary for it to accept it as a valid key. Should be self explanatory, but I didn't think about it and got frustrated. All good now, thanks so much for this toolkit!

I had to relock my bootloader to accept the 2.17 ruu and make my phone boot a rom again, the first step of this process so I did the whole thing. Great guide, Very user friendly, and even a beginner could complete the process.

Also, is there anyway you could include 4ext recovery? Or a "Install recovery from *.img*" into the toolkit? Along with my cdma workshop this would be a devestating tool on my keychain usb :)
[HTC EVO 3D] closeone:
Sorry about that rsgalas. I'm glad you got it though. ;) You make an excellent point. I'll try to get that guide into my OP or post #3 soon.

Thank you! :)

Including 4EXT recovery... humm. :) I might have or might not have been in conversation with madmaxx82 about including it. :D I can't say... :cool:

No more info at this point... ;)

~co~
[HTC EVO 3D] Echo2Lincoln:
brick first. i believe you are at step 12 of the 3rd post.

read Unknownforce's instructions for bricking and watch his video.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1547695

it took me many many times trying to brick.