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[General Questions and Answers] sreza:
Yes I know, but it seemed the easiest way to explain how multiple cores should theoretically work.

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Because it works. The appearance of being the biggest and baddest sways consumer opinion by an absurd degree. You can see evidence of this in all markets for all products. You can't tell me this is the first time you've seen an inferior product sell better due to marketing?

Android can use the cores, it's the apps that aren't optimized to use them, gotta have both for multithreading.

The way Tegra 3 works is that if the total load on the CPU is less than 500 MHz, than the ninja core does everything. Once your needs become greater than 500 MHz, it turns off the ninja core and turns on the main core(s). But just because you're using your phone doesn't mean that background tasks stop updating.... And that's where not having asynchronous clocks is a very bad thing. If you're watching a HD movie, let's say Core 1 is running at 80% to render it. Core 2 is forced wastefully to also run at 80% even though it only needs to use 5% to idle the OS, and Core 3 will be running at 80% whenever your background tasks start running even though they might only need 10%. You can never have the ninja core and any of the main cores running simultaneously.

As for Nvidia's marketing strategy, looking at their past actions their marketing has always been about "First to do this, first to do that". The average consumer also tends to care far more about benchmark scores (if they care at all about how strong their device is) rather than how efficient their device is.

It's hard to explain in a short amount of time to Avg. Joe why his 4 cores isn't as good as my 2 cores, and the explanation is likely to go over his head, and leave me looking like a jealous douche.

Frankly, It's the same reason why people buy very fast cars. Bragging rights.

You can try to explain to them why this other car fits their lifestyle much better and will make them happier in the long run, but at the end of the day the vast majority of people will either ignorantly assume 4 is better than 2, or ignore the research data altogether because they are far more interested in bragging about having a higher benchmark or just to brag about the word "quad-core" in general.

EDIT: The post below this sadly proves my point all too well...
[General Questions and Answers] derriseo:
quad

i prefer quad core. i think that quad core its fastest than dual core
[General Questions and Answers] techmatlock:
I would say quad core and not just because it has more cores. You never know what future development holds and when you have a phone that has more cores optimized for heavy processing that developers can code into their projects to utilize using all 4 efficiently. The beauty of open source + sdk and high end hardware to work with.
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With who not tegra hardware data sheets limit the processer for actually capable. Exynos isnt fully open sourced either. Android is open source but the System on a chip besides T.i Omap is not on most manufactures. No developer will make a multi threaded app with knowing the full extensions of what the hardware is capable of.
[General Questions and Answers] GGLDN:
even if you do game dual core is more than enough with the right rom etc. im running gta 3 on cpu max 998400 which is underclocked. no lag at all on a desire s. so a dual core like the nexus s will be fine, you just have to find the right rom/kernel and settings. quadcore will kill battery and you'll end up paying much more.

i also saw a vid comparing dual core to quad core using quadrant benchkmark. obviously they dont mean alot but the quad core beat the dual core in processing, overall the dual core speed was almost double. quadcore dual core isnt the only thing to consider
[General Questions and Answers] peacekeeper05:
Depends on what architecture or technolgy it was made. A Dual core A9 from tegra is weaker and slower than the Quadcore Tegra 3.
[General Questions and Answers] peacekeeper05:
Baterry wise, more people are saying that The One X lasts longer than the one S. But we should take into consideration that the One S has less battery size but then again The One X has larger screen, uses LCD and also has higher resolution display
[General Questions and Answers] sreza:
This is an excerpt from Engadget's comparison of the 2 platforms:

There's one design choice we didn't mention earlier, and it's enough of a doozy that it could potentially swing your decision: neither phone has a user-accessible battery. Sure, both handsets are thinner as a result, but we imagine there will be more than a handful of power users who would happily accept a little extra heft if it meant they could swap in a larger juicepack. And let's face it: with the amount of normal use we're getting out of our phones these days, who isn't turning into a power user?

When it comes to runtime, the advantage clearly goes to the One S. But before we get into specific results, there are few variables to consider: first, the X comes with a 1,800mAh pack compared to the S's 1,650, but it also needs to service a larger, higher-res LCD display -- a big potential drain on any phone's battery life.

HTC One X	HTC One S

Video rundown time	6 hours	8.5 hours

Regular-use time	12.5 hours	13.5 hours

As you can see, the screen in this case does indeed has an impact on runtime. In our standard video rundown test, which consists of looping movies with the brightness fixed at 50 percent brightness, the S led the X by two and a half hours. Still, the S only lasted marginally longer with regular use, which included checking email, web browsing, Twitter, Facebook, downloading apps, some light photo / video recording and other miscellany. When we left both phones on standby, only occasionally checking email, taking a photo or placing a call, the One X actually outlasted the S.

This simply confirmed to us what we already knew: the continually backlit LCD display and larger screen size are going to be a significant drain on the battery, especially compared to the AMOLED display on the S. But another aspect that didn't get a lot of love in this department was graphics performance. In fact, after pushing the Tegra 3's GPU through the full gamut of GLBenchmark tests for 20 minutes, the X's battery slipped 17 percent. And how did the S do when faced with the same task? It only experienced a nine percent drop.
[General Questions and Answers] altruistic666:
Battery drainage issue will be there wherever there is big display to flaunt. Now here what I wanted to know was is there any advantage with quad core with multi tasking perspective. Especially with huge apps which I open after connecting vpn and all.
[General Questions and Answers] Deggy:
Loving the people who just read the title, not read anything in the thread and just posting two or three words.
[General Questions and Answers] treebill:
I have my one x set to keep screen on while plugged in just to test this.

It is settling @ 102 MHz and is sitting there for most of the time, it jumps up to 1 GHz when apps run and then jumps to 1.4/1.5 when you open intensive apps.

i have to admit the biggest drain on the battery is the beauty of a screen on auto brightness the screen will use ~80% i have my screen on 50% brightness and the screen battery use is 60%.

as for running stuff all i can say is on the quad core this thing loads stuff fast.
[General Questions and Answers] peacekeeper05:
Lol. Why the need to quote the whole engadget? I never said everyone is saying the One X has better battery life
[General Questions and Answers] canuckerr:
I don't think a phone needs anything more than a dual core until the battery problem is solved.

How can we keep adding all these new gadgets and technology when we don't have enough power to power them?

I would say stay clear of a quad core phone.

Personally, my ideal phone right now would be a single core optimized to the fullest!

The battery life on smart phones these days are horrendous.

Changing batteries or buying big bulky battery extenders is not an option for me.

I would say dual core should be your best bet. There is nothing worse when I go to school at 8am and come home at 6pm and go out that same night and my batter doesn't last the entire night.
[General Questions and Answers] i'Sense:
Normal that quadcore is better

Quadcore is better & quicker :D
[General Questions and Answers] rotarynerd:
I really want one, but I'm afraid of the battery life, even though I do have a habit of carrying my charger with me at all times since my MT4G has a bad battery lol
[General Questions and Answers] Night Walker!:
It's never bad to have more cores, and if you get the nvidia one it have a fifth core that save a lot of battery.
[General Questions and Answers] akaliel:
I've read that the HTC One X is actually quite jittery and choppy. Bloody Sense... It's murder on my EVO 3D.
[General Questions and Answers] riz.nexus:
Dual/Quad

Galaxy nexus is a good option and as far as the dua/quad query, for a normal user not much of a difference, i just had a hands on HTC One X and it's good no doubt but the exorbitant pricing of this phone does not go in it's favour. i thought my GNexus was on par with it. checkout the test bench for HTC one S, it being a dual core beats quad core heads down.
[General Questions and Answers] exb0:
then again, those are benchmarks. I remember a thread complaining about the nexus s, it had really high scores but bad real life usage.

It boils down to personal flavour. I prefer dual core because its more matured than quad core. But there are people that would say otherwise.
[General Questions and Answers] SteelToast:
Dual core A15s are the way to go currently until quad core A15s come out. As most apps aren't made to take advantages of 4 cores, so a way more powerful dual core is your best bet.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[General Questions and Answers] ~Immo~:
Quadcore will be very useful on real multi tasking like Maemo on the n900....

Hopefully we will see it in future updates of Android??..

As for the One X i Think the battery is not actually that bad. Its very good when idle but can get a bit greedy in use, but all boils down to what you actually use the phone for and how often..
[General Questions and Answers] inthestarrysky:
The hardware requirements we place on phones doubles about every year but my Galaxy Note can handle almost anything I can throw at it 1.4Ghz dual cure is well an truly future proof at least for now and more cores doesn't necessarily make it faster just means you can do more things at once you want a higher clock speed, rather than worrying about how many cores your phone has think about how much RAM it has
[General Questions and Answers] ~Immo~:
Will be interesting to see the apps that support the 4+1 cpu..

I know there are a few kicking about but none that really appeal to me...

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Nice ^ -.-

Anyway google 4+1 cpu Tegra and you will see a few apps that support the tegra 4+1
[General Questions and Answers] corge:
I'd like to have something with dual-core A15. However, it would be interesting to compare its performance+powersaving with 4+1 systems.
[General Questions and Answers] ill peripheral:
Not to mention more power efficient.
[General Questions and Answers] bocrazy:
So newer games may like the quad core better, but like the 1st response, most of the time i dont think you would need it, and then the extra umph would kill battery...
[General Questions and Answers] Skyღ:
What you say is correct , because people tend to buy quad processors for gaming .
[General Questions and Answers] exb0:
If someone were to make a game that needs quad core, they're stupid. The fact is no one would make quad core apps now cause the industry is dominated by single and dual cores. If they make an app that needs quad core, single and dual core users can't use it. Thus earning less for them.
[General Questions and Answers] Josuhu:
Dual core is best for now
[General Questions and Answers] Akhil:
Always go for the best technology, coz in future apps will be available for quad core and even if u dnt play games , u should go for quad core..
[General Questions and Answers] nativestranger:
I am planning to upgrade to the htc one x because of quad core but upon trying it out, I frankly cannot tell feel any difference in speed between my single core sensation xl and the one x. I even can swear that the xl is snappier navigating around the phones interface and menus. I also disappointed that internet is laggy on the one x especially pinch zoom and that scrolling is delayed response at times. If nobody told me that this is a quad core device i would not know because it doesnt feel any faster at all!
[General Questions and Answers] charmthief88:
Which is why I like sreza's attempt to highlight the padphone and hence krait, a brilliant device combination being too easily overlooked because it wasn't quad core or the next galaxy s. Now I don't think krait smashes tegra as described ( I also take all benchmarks with a grain of salt). Krait I heard has power leakage issues at 28mn because it has not taken all the a15 architectural advantages. This lowers the advantage of the dynamic voltage.

Also in one of those extremetech articles, it was mentioned that the ICS may not maximize the advantage of dynamic voltage as well.

If you look at the Engadget review of One X vs One S Battery life is better on the S, 1.5 better hours (One S= 8, One X = 6.5)with video and regular use was 13.5h (One S) to 12.5h (One X). This difference *could* be factored somewhat by a smaller screen with less pixel density but the One S has a slightly smaller battery too. The krait beats the tegra 3 on tests where 4 cores are not an advantage, but not usually by much. The Tegra 3 kills, when all cores are taken into consideration.

But as sreza says the apps are yet to be designed for that. As Apple, Moto, and Samsung push things/hardware and they likely will; be it a year down the track or more. Apps then will be better coded/designed for multicore, larger ram and HD.

But both the One S and One X are disappointing to me not for choice of quad or dual core, but because because they follow the trend of ditching removable batteries and micro sd cards. Again heeeello beautiful padfone, although I may not have the money to buy a combo yet :(

Also I'll second the voice of another earlier, My optimized modded single core Galaxy S handles quite well, I believe the dual core phones will continue to be quite relevant. Which makes me again think maybe intel has something with medfield, however I know the ARM advantages of power efficiency and am taking a 'wait and see' view point with medfield.

----However-----

All this debate is more academic than practical until you see real life comparisons. I remember anandtech and other sites showing the Apple 4s killing a stock SGS2 on GB siting sunspyder and other benchmarks. However was this the case. Look at this in depth comparison:

http://www.smartphoneenvy.com/apple/face-off-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-vs-apple-iphone-4s/

That means more to me than benchmarks.

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It didn't hurt for sreza whom you quoted to do that as the engadget review was being distorted earlier on in the thread. Also he was addressing the point, allowing people to see both the screen size and battery size and the respective results.
[General Questions and Answers] nyteblayde:
Quad core is fast but consumes slightly more battery then dual core.
[General Questions and Answers] monkor:
My take is that quad core is somewhat pointless at this time. It's nice to have all the bells and whistles of the latest and greatest technology, but if that's an android phone, then consider this:

If the quad core phone comes out now, and it comes stock with ICS (which can utilize the dual-cores very well), then it's stock OS isn't going to be built to maximize the quad-cores. You'd have to wait for an entirely new OS to come out, hope that it actually reaches your phone, and wait even longer for it to be released in order to have a fully functioning stock OS which maximizes the potential of your phone.

Even people with older dual-core phones right now are seeing this; being forgotten by HTC, Motorola, or Samsung because their phone (while just as or more powerful than most) is older, and is not promised an OS update.

So yeah, I'd say stick to dual-core for now. But if you're due for an upgrade in a year or so, then move on to quad-core
[General Questions and Answers] arpit85:
1.)Quadcore will be fully and optimally utilized by the September update of Android - JELLYBEAN

2.)Battery power is not a big issue for quadcore phones.

3.)Galaxy note price is at par Htc One X
[General Questions and Answers] Alaa:
Quad-core seems pointless now, yes, but I guess people would regret it when they buy a dual-core phone now and find out that most applications/games would run way faster on quad-core in 6 months or so.
[General Questions and Answers] Genghiz93:
The dual core is enough for now and i don't know where you can you use the all power of quad core.
[General Questions and Answers] lvcio:
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That, or just wait... Android 5.0 Jellybean is near :)
[General Questions and Answers] saywhatt:
dual core's fine.. it gives you everything you need but the battery sucks. i bet if we'd get quadcore.. the battery would suck even more -.-
[General Questions and Answers] scuzzbag87:
I like having the best and battery life does not matter to me. Buy some fake batteries on Ebay problem solved. That's just me. Give me quad core exynos (yes it kills anything even that dual core s4 krait)
[General Questions and Answers] Allanitomwesh:
Sadly he is right. That's the only quad core I'm considering.

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[General Questions and Answers] saywhatt:
i bought samsung's 2000 mAh actually :))) battery life extended up to 20%
[General Questions and Answers] Net0o:
quadcore for better performance but less battery life-.-
[General Questions and Answers] faridsarvar:
Dual core
[General Questions and Answers] 11secEVO:
I want the 8 core phone baby :)
[General Questions and Answers] Akatosh:
Haha same I'm waiting for the Samsung galaxy sIIII
[General Questions and Answers] Allanitomwesh:
Good luck with the long wait.

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[General Questions and Answers] XDeviateX:
Quad, be(C)ause fou(R) is (A)lways better than two (P)rocessors, except the battery life. People were saying the same thing about the pc procs.
[General Questions and Answers] jonneymendoza:
is the quad core on the ps vita faster then the one x?
[General Questions and Answers] Allanitomwesh:
PS Vita isn't a phone. That's like comparing a motorbike with a car.

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[General Questions and Answers] jonneymendoza:
They are both quad cores. i wanna know which cpu is faster
[General Questions and Answers] Allanitomwesh:
The one x is faster.

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[General Questions and Answers] redoregon:
If you're not a gamer, stay with the dual. You don't really need the power of a quad. By the next time you upgrade, quads may be the norm, but right now they're just an extra expense.
[General Questions and Answers] Mysliqk:
I think that duo core is enough for work and games. Maybe next year we will need power of quad core :)
[General Questions and Answers] Epeira:
Dual.core, if you not must conquer the world.
[General Questions and Answers] jonneymendoza:
Proof?
[General Questions and Answers] Allanitomwesh:
1gig ram and better gpu.
[General Questions and Answers] carbonize:
That's not proof, that's just specifications. It also completely ignores the original question of which CPU is faster.
[General Questions and Answers] lvcio:
Its more, Wanna see it or not xP!

The other thing is, you dont have 6-10 companies developing games for ONL one specs and all standard eviroment(Vita) than developing for 20 or plus Brands, Specs diferents, many procesor, chipsets, etc(Android)

Its just like, develop Console(PS3,360) game, and other is Develop PC Game:cool:

As result, the games on PC that are REally good made, They Rock and FTW any console game
[General Questions and Answers] Allanitomwesh:
The nvidia tegra 3 is clocked higher @1.5ghz vs 800mhz

It has 1gb to work with vs 512mb

It has a slightly weaker gpu in the ulp geforce vs SGX543MP4+.

BUT

One is a phone and the other is a gaming console. Obviously the gaming console is optimized for gaming. Put android on your vita and run a benchmark.
[General Questions and Answers] Karim.younus:
Well, personally I think a higher clock rate is better than a dual or quad core for gaming but as you dont need that extra power. You can do with dual core or even single core.
[General Questions and Answers] shadowroru:
Ill say dual core, Android is not optimized for quad core yet...
[General Questions and Answers] sinweiy:
i am more concern when you install more apps into the phone and it start to lag later down the road.
[General Questions and Answers] vampir4997:
I think that has more to do with ram then processing power
[General Questions and Answers] Nigeldg:
That's to do with the amount of free RAM and can very easily be managed. Simply kill tasks which you aren't using and make sure you have at least a little free RAM. If I can manage with a 1GHz 512/403Mb RAM HD2 then I'm sure any dual or quad core phone would do the same without a hitch.
[General Questions and Answers] olyloh6696:
IMO, single to dual = huge jump.

Dual to quad = smaller.

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[General Questions and Answers] NV-3D:
If Qualcomm was to develope a Quadcore...

honestly i feel - considering the S4 is keeping up with the Nvidia quadcores on most benches that

if Qualcomm was to dev and manufacture a quadcore - wed have leaps in performance

especially if used in conjunction with linaro :)
[General Questions and Answers] banzer_kadaj:
quad core or dual core i will choose dual core.. android not yet ready to accept quadcore..

but ram is still needed.. and cpu processing.. it will make a balanced...

background application for system running in smartphone make me sick... only 1/2 available RAM can we use..
[General Questions and Answers] Phalanx7621:
Pffft screw em both. I'm getting me an octacore baby wheeewww
[General Questions and Answers] xdå_developer:
Which would be faster and smoother: a quad core phone with a ok GPU, or a dual core phone with a good GPU? Which tasks are handled by the CPU and which by the GPU? Even on a PC you only need more than 2 cores if you are doing HD video editing, 3d modeling + rendering, large file compression, etc...
[General Questions and Answers] The Dogan:
At the moment the most important thing is having a multi core phone. Whether it's quad or dual core isn't that big of a deal compared to single or dual core.

Remember when computers went from single to dual to quad? The first quads weren't that great compared to the dual cores but the first dual cores coming from single cores were offering much better performance.

I would say go for one of the new dual cores coming out this year rather than one of the quad cores.

The battery life arguments are a load of rubbish and aren't worth paying any attention to.