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[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] HarshFact:
Well think of it this way, if we didn't ***** there wouldn't be a new android. anyway ..with note ICS coming i hope 7.7 gets it's update as well... i wonder if Samsung would change statement regarding ICS update..could someone ontact them via twitter or some other channel and ask if the two are related or something.. any news would be appreciated than "no info yet"
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] krazykat:
Note got ics today through kies lol. Next update, love for 7.7 maybe?

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] haovh_85:
I hope so!:D
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] poppy9009:
+1
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] fraeone:
I'm just hoping the ICS update beats Jellybean to market. Seems like Google may have Jellybean in store for this rumored Nexus Tablet.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] dengchu:
anyhow you could flash back to hc
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] talkshowhost85:
I think I read it somewhere that it will come 3rd quarter of the year. Makes sense I think because then they will have to maintain their future Jellybean device and at the same time wnaure galaxy tab userw to still enjoy their devices. For the time being GoLauncher is the answer :)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ascariss:
Perhaps the nexus tablet will be the developmental platform for jellybean but that would make no sense since the nexus tablet is supposed to compete with the kindle and the lower end tablets, so sticking on a new OS wouldn't make sense.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] fraeone:
What does price have to do with it? Even if it's cheap it needs an OS.

How many times have Google released a Nexus device without releasing a brand new version of Android? Pretty sure it's 0.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] globiboulga:
I have to say, I am not particularly impressed by Samsung on this one - notwithstanding the fact I was wanting to wait for thr 64GB 3G version of the 7.7, which is yet to materialise...

It is getting tiring to buy "premium" devices, only to see support for these abandoned right away. Especially when these devices are far from being perfect to start with.

This said, I still love the 7.7, but when you see the gain in performance of my Transformer prime from HC to ICS, and the difficulties the 7.7 has in dealing with TW with HC, you'd thing Samsung would have the decency to spend some resources on updating its flagship tablet...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Goldenrooster:
I could not agree more with you. This says it all. Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] coleshill121:
I don't understand Samsung's thought process on this one. The market for people looking for smaller-than-iPad tablets is an area not dominated by Apple, so it would make sense to focus on it and push these out to consumers before Apple comes and launches this rumoured smaller iPad.

I wish they'd release even a basic ICS port that would allow XDA devs to work their magic and would undoubtedly increase their sales. I'm waiting to give you my money Samsung!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] sg10:
just wondering if Samsung actually have any good competition below 8" ? (good screen, good cpu/gpu)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ttxxaa:
it didn't even come to the oldest tab 10.1

idont know what samsung thinking about :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hellokittyr:
I m not developer.

But from the spec. We have similar hardware to the note.

What's stopping us from porting their official ics rom to 7.7
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Nutsonfire:
The Huawei media tab is pretty good, I have booth. DPI is a little higher and you can see it, display is a little crisper. Not as fast though.

Has ICS but eats batteries like cookies and HDMI out is screwed up.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ThE_SoUrCe:
this may rock our world though

Toshiba Excite 7.7 AT275

-super amoled

-quadcore

-thinnest

-GSM support
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hellokittyr:
Toshiba.... it's 10 times worse than Acer... or those cheap Chinese brand.

This is probably just some ODM product from China.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] krazykat:
Sure! You can do it! Grab the new note rom and flash! There! Ics.

Rofl.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Alcibiade:
Ehehehehe
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
Nope, that's the new Toshiba. Hardly 10 times worse than Acer. Not quite as nice as Samsung. No need to be religious about these things.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] chrisrotolo:
xlb4 firmware was just released for france. someone might want to check it out. samfirmware.com
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] haovh_85:
It is Only HC 3.2. Nothing change in it.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] teknikk7:
That bezel disgusts me.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] haovh_85:
Any info about ics for galaxy tab? Anyone has?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
it's coming soon hold your breath it will be here very shortly maybe check tomorrow
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hellokittyr:
Source??
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] thommygay24:
Is it sure that there will be news tommorow or is this only rumours?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ekinnee:
Don't believe a thing you read here until you see it for yourself.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
I heard it from a guy.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] TPizzle:
Knowing Samsung and their record with US smart phones (Galaxy S series, both 1 and 2), we're going to be waiting a looooong while. Lets not forget the fact the original 10.1 still hasn't received ICS, despite being out for many months now, as well as their many other tablets.

The only only Samsung tablets that have ICS are the new ones that just came out this month, big surprise.

I wouldn't hold my breath, in the meantime get cozy with HC, we're stuck with it for a while.

I speculate that ICS will come for this device probably after or right around when Jellybean is released. Remember this is just my personal speculation, not official, based completely on my experience with Samsung and their software support with Android thus far, which BTW is really disappointing for such a premium company.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] snookerdog89:
Samsung interested in your cash, not your satisfaction

The thing is Sammy tries to wow everyone and their mother with the latest & greatest tech, drops a bunch of cash on some heavy marketing campaign and waits to reel in the customers. Once they start emptying their wallets every promise Sammy made about software updates concerning the purchased device is forgotten, severely delayed at best...by then of course it is too late for the paying customers, who are left with premium hardware incapacitated more or less by faulty software...

I should know, 'cause I'm one of them now :( Having previously owned a Motorola XOOM, it had ICS working on it for a while, but I found myself wanting something more portable. In the end, I went for the P6810, Tab 7.7 Wi-Fi. I thought that I wouldn't miss much of ICS, having had Gingerbread on my S2 and being perfectly satisfied with it. After all 3.2 is closer to 4.0 than 2.3 is, so too much shouldn't be changed, I said. Well TW plus HC equals loads of lag so I installed Go Launcher HD, got myself some ICS wallpapers for added flavor and I would only need the ability to request the desktop version of websites straight from the browser. But to make matters worse, a lot of apps & games that worked on XOOM + ICS now won't work on Tab 7.7 + HC. The hardware is better so it must be the software. I initially read that the ICS update would arrive in Q2, meaning until June, but now I hear that Sammy tablets would receive the update during the months of June/July/August. That's basically Q3 :mad:

I totally agree with the fact that the guys over at Sammy should get their act together and support their flagship devices properly. The Tab 7.7 is their best spec'd tablet and it has the price to prove that...it's made all the more annoying when you're left with an experience that feels cheaper than the cash you just parted with.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] O_G:
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[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] chrisrotolo:
Can we insult OEM's,etc.? Samsung,Apple, etc? without mentioning a specific indivual?

#HonestQuestion.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] O_G:
Lets try to keep it to issues, i dont want this to turn into a flame war.

Start airing your own personal opinions, its going to go down hill. There are always others who think differently.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ascariss:
So anyone with the new Tab 2, is touchwiz scaled back compared to current touchwiz on the tabs?

some of the articles reviewing the new tabs stated it was less skinned than on the HC versions. If this is the case I hope the new ICS on the 7.7 is also scalled back a bit.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] evil_penguin:
That will be great!;)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] clubtech:
I had the Tab 2 Wifi for about 2 days until i returned it.

It is a MAJOR downgrade from the 7.7. And no, touchwiz is not scaled back. Samsung actually went with the "green theme" instead of the blue one in HC and ICS and its all very colorful...

It also lags as the CPU and GPU seem like they are too slow. Home screens stutter once you install some apps and many games stutter.

For $249, it is not a bad deal but it is a major downgrade from the 7.7.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] rosentorp:
ICS in Q3

Response from chat with Samsung at mobil.se says release hopefully in Q3:

"Rosentorp Hej, hur går det egentligen med ICS till Galaxy Tab 7.7? Den har lovats sedan länge men inget datum har satts (källa: Samsung Sverige på Facebook)

Hej, vi siktar på att kunna ha den under Q3. Närmare än så kan vi tyvärr inte säga idag. Hälsningar Erik"
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hudl:
I preordered a Transformer Prime first, but ASUS did a real bad job in marketing and delayed the release too long - so I cancelled it.

I then bought the 7.7 in a (too) quick decision and was very disappointed because of the performance (software wise) and stability of HC with TW... :(

Now I think it would have been better to wait because ASUS has great Support, fast Updates, few customization on the GUI and cares for its customers (free GPS for example). Hell, even the Transormer 1 is faster with ICS than my 7.7! I don't think I will buy a Samsung device anymore - well, unless it's a Nexus. That's the way to go: Nexus.

Unfortunately it's true - Apple has the best support and most of Apple customers are happy with their products. I don't know any frustrated iUser. (Of course, maybe they are too "religious" ;) )

If Samsung copies the design and Launch Events from Apple, they should also copy the support! :D
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ascariss:
I guess then those early reviews were of the non production models and things seemed to have changed for production. too bad
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] funkyblue04:
Thanks for the comments RE Tab 2. I have beenb looking at that and the 7.7. I really want the 7.7 to replace my Touchpad, but really do not want to leave behind stock ICS for crappy Touchwiz and HC...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gaugerer:
I bought the 3g version of the 7.7 from Hong Kong because it is much cheaper there and the 3g version is not readily available in the UK.

For me, the 7.7 with it's higher quality metal build and superior Super Amoled Plus screen in 1280*800 pixels makes it the Rolls Royce of 7-inch tablets. As with any product such as a car, you can buy a basic model or luxury model and the 7.7 is a luxury model so it costs more like the car.

Samsung have already updated the S2 and the Note to ICS and promised to upgrade the 7.7 too which will make the 7.7 even better. I would prefer to have ICS without any additional stuff by manufacturers but I like the S-Pen on my Note so there are advantages

I also like the way Samsung offers several tablet sizes in the same way that laptops are available in different sizes. I like the 7.7 but others might find the 8.9 or 10.1 suits their needs better. Having such choice is surely better than the Apple approach where you just have the one tablet size whether you like it or not.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] TeeeJaay:
actually i would prefer that green theme over the blue one, blue color on SAMOLEDs tend to make it deteriorate faster
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Nutsonfire:
Please... the Asus devices are not even in the same league as the 7.7. Screens with light bleed and dust, speakers volume not balanced, wifi and GPS issues and the ICS update what a joke, buggy at all levels, why do you think they have to release so many updates...

Claiming Asus is better than Samsung when you look at the Transformer Prime debacle... got your GPS dongle yet? lol

Better have a no ICS update than a buggy ICS update just to make people happy.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] globiboulga:
Whether Asus has done a good job or not with the Transformer Prime is another question altogether. But it is a fact that they've been really pro-active with their ICS updates. I have an original Prime and it's been on ICS for months. Performance wise, it is day an night. Gone from an ok tablet to a really good little computer in no time (dual boot ubuntu)...

Again, if HC with TW was working flawlessly, no-one would care about the upgrade. I bought the 7.7 because I though the 1.4Ghz processor could handle HC with ease - and I had a GSII at the time - but the fact that's not the case is a real shame: hence why we're all so eager to get ICS. That is compounded by the fact that the 7.7 is marketed as a top of the line device and you're paying a hefty price for it. In return you'd expect a level of service that matches that. If I'd bought a knock off Chinese piece of rubbish, I would certainly not hope for ICS at all (and of course, sad thing is they're more likely to get it)... I bought a top of the line Samsung tablet and I'm not expecting support for it to be dropped a mere month afterwards. To be honest, it will be my last Samsung Android device for that very reason. I am not going to pay another $700 for a device that works just "ok".
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] staticinferno:
I got 99 problems but a Prime AIN'T ONE!

I disagree. I owned a Transformer Fail for a month and the fact asus HAD FULL GPS functionality as one of the FLAGSHIP FEATURES and then 6 months later removed it because of overloaded levels of fail? now they want to say oh hey let us give you a tumor to attach to the worlds THINNEST 10.1. I returned mine before then and thankfully. I then tried tab 7 plus but both of the ones I bought were rebooting randomly so I returned those as well and bought 2 7.7 tabs from negri. Not a bit disappointed thus far and I am 2 weeks in running my tablet all over the place like a new 4 wheeler in a muddy field.

As for the support of ASUS, I asked them for a price estimate on repairs for a prime with broken glass and he couldn't do it. he gave me some part numbers and said I could google it to try and find prices. That was pretty much useless. I was forced to send it in and the response I got was that it would cost 300 dollars and that the glass alone cannot be replaced.The WHOLE screen has to be replaced, which is a bad and flawwed design. They gave me 3 days to pay up or they would send it back to me.

Take my story as you will but I think the 7.7 was a good decision. You aren't missing much. I have yet to have my tablet perform too slow. The prime btw, might appear faster on paper and in benchmarks... but that means nothing. the prime uses 1 small low voltage core for the brunt of tasks and then picks up and balances speed never once showing hot rod muscle. the 7.7 however performs with dual core all day.

I also have videos of where graphics would tear and glitch, and appear as if the icons and widgets were shaking, or jumping. Youtube would tear across half the screen glitching. I have one where the screen would go unresponsive after hitting the back button. not to mention weak wifi and light bleed issues.

I'm not ranting I'm just saying between the two companies you lucked out. I will never buy another asus tablet again. Good riddance!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] om0:
Engadget claims that ICS has been released for galaxy tabs ( 7 , 7 plus , 2 7.0 , 8.9 and 10.1) in canada. Is this true ? or they have said they will release it
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] krazykat:
Will, but 7.7 isn't part of the list. It isn't sold here.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Nutsonfire:
If Asus knew what they were doing with ics they would not need to release updates every two weeks. The first time ics came out for the tf101 it was buggy as hell, if these asus things did not have dev support it would be a total nightmare. All they are good at is to be the first at releasing buggy products with hardware and software defects. If you are all into flashing new roms every two days and overclocking thats fine but its not how it should be.

The 7.7 works perfect for my use, most solid android tablet experience to this day. Not making a fuss about the ics update as the tablet has all the functionality i need.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] funkyblue04:
This is why Android will never be as up to date and why Apple wins when it comes to updates. Users should not have to wait months for updates. As one of Samsung's more expensive tablets it should be out already. If crappy Chinese tablets already have it why not Samsung?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hudl:
I didn't say the Prime is without issues - indeed I just wrote that the original Transformer with ICS is faster than my GT7.7 (the experience, not 3D wise).

I would be happy to exchange the light bleedings with the banding issues of (any) AMOLED screen (and there are other issues with the screen too - see the threads here). Look at some pictures (not those oversaturated ones) with brightness turned down - looks awful - and I often read in dark environment...

But, ok, all this is a matter of taste and I don't want to complain on that. I Just wanted to state, that ASUS reacts to the complaints of their customers and show that they are willing to fix their issues. They are the only company I know that gave support in a public forum - here - at XDA!

And speaking of bugs: my 7.7 crashes really often when viewing web pages. In different browsers. All I want is support on a premium device that makes me think it was worth the money. Makes me feel being ripped off otherwise.

I really hope that ICS will fix some of the issues - if you are happy with HC, don't upgrade. That's perfectly fine.

ICS is out since Nov. and it's a shame that (a lot of) companies are not able to satisfy customers with updates. This forces users to switch to "other" devices and it makes me sad that this behaviour overshadowes the really great experience you would have with vanilla ICS.

I'm really looking forward to the many Nexus devices from different manufacturers for JB launch - it will prove the manufacturers that people want vanilla experience and not those (often) crappy and delayed GUIs...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] XDAKhan:
The same thing happened with my previously owned GT-P1000 that came with Froyo and was promised a Gingerbread update that seemed to take forever...people where complaining in just about the same terms as you did, above.

...but the fact was that when, finally, Samsung came up with the upgrade, I installed it in my tab and had "0" (zero) problems with it.

If the delay means a stable and bug free implementation, I think I prefer waiting vs. rushing.

(my 2 cents...)

XK
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Nutsonfire:
Because a crappy chinese tablet can use a crappy un-optimized ics and no one will complain because the hardware is crap anyway. I have a Ainol Aurora it works but its horribly slow even with a custom ics rom.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hudl:
I don't want a buggy system too - but waiting for half or more a year is no way to go also. Why is it not possible to have both? Why do we always have to choose?

It works obviously for Nexus devices. If the manufacturers would provide a vanilla ROM at first and let the users choose to "upgrade" it later, no one would complain about it.

People are not happy with the situation now (otherwise such threads wouldn't exist), so, why are companies not listening to what people really want?

It's not the issue with Samsung alone but with nearly all manufacturers. So we will continue to moan around until a small company that really listens to its customers arise and makes the big money - sounds familiar?

A special note I experienced during the S3 launch: Samsung told the audience that they are listening to the people and that's why they made that huge 4.8" screen! :confused: :eek: :D

I had to laugh, really... ;) - In all blogs and forums I read, people are complaining about the growing size of superphones. Why not make a smaller one with the specs of the big one and let the customers choose? That's not the way i interpret listening to customers...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hanzi54:
agree, the excelent tab 7.7 was my last Samsung device, never ever agin!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] jimmbomb:
hudl wrote in part

"the really great experience you would have with vanilla ICS."

and in another post you mentioned a vanilla rom

Can I ask what a vanilla rom is and vanilla ICS?

Thanks alot or explaining....

thanks again
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] romac:
Vanilla means without Samsung touch wiz, just the raw ICS
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
It just means the standard Android Open Source without any of the manufacturer or carrier modding/skinning/extra apps. In the 7.7's case it means no TouchWiz, standard lockscreens, etc.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] shazoom:
All this waiting obviously sucks but Samsung have rolled out ICS on about twice as many phones as any other vendor. I'm waiting too but it seems that they are at least no worse than any other vendor. All this "never again" stuff starts to get tiring when, for good or bad, they virtually have the Android market all tied up.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] nicduim:
I have more faith in Samsung than I do for verizon. Hopefully they're all soon, the 7.7 runs pretty well with hc but trying a xoom with hc and ics.. It'll make the gtab gravey smooth. Ohhh yeah
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] jimmbomb:
thank guys for explanation s....
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] om0:
Can anyone tell me if gameloft games , madfinger games . GTA .... GLU games ...wil be compatible with ICS ? if not then updating to ICS will be great risk .
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] adinis78:
To all forget about ICS, Jelly Bean is around the corner, read my post in the general section about it to find out more....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1661306
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gaugerer:
I have just watched the 7 inch "Go Tab" tablet running ICS being sold on a UK TV shopping channel for £138. It is also available on loads of on line sites including Handtec for £107 and I must admit that it irritates me to see ICS being sold widely on cheap tablets whilst I wait for my expensive 7.7 to be updated.

Perhaps it is easier to produce a new tablet with ICS than upgrade a Honeycomb tablet or perhaps manufacturers would prefer people buy a new tablet rather than upgrade, which is the reason for the long wait. However, I will think twice before buying another tablet which lacks the latest version of Android in the hope that it will be upgraded soon. So why do you think we are still waiting for ICS now that it is becoming widely available and do you feel we are being shafted?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] funkyblue04:
We are bring shafted. It should not take this long. It's why Apple wins.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] genjo_sanzo:
Had my SGS when it was first launch in Singapore. Then I had the Notes when it was launched. When the Galaxy Tab 7+ was launched I bought also and when the Tab 7.7 was launched I got it and gave my Tab 7+ to my wife. Never had any regrets for buying Samsung! Now looking forward to SGS3!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] 白い熊:
I'm also thinking of SGSIII. How are you gonna go to a MUCH smaller screen though? What are your thoughts on that?