yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
That wouldn't be out of the question for a stock gpu. I use On demand. ICS On demand uses a two stage system to regulate the frequencies. It's not like the one stage gingerbread gov. So for I find On demand or the new ICS interactive gov to be the best. The ICS Interactive gov seems to be much better.
[HTC Sensation] -=JohnDoe=-:
woah, recently there are so many wonderful kernels...:)
[HTC Sensation] chihliouma:
Hi there, just try the v4.3 in baad's B12 ROM, but it's strange that I cannot access the file in SD card. No music and phot files can be accessed. But after I flash to other kernel, the files are back. FYI. Any idea ?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Weird I can access all my music and sdcard just fine. What app are you using to access your ad card.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Works fine for me here, using root explorer to check. What app are you using?
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Ishouldntbehere: testing your kernel for T-Mobile WiFi calling will let you know how stable WiFi calling is
[HTC Sensation] shiningarmor:
do u even have klquicksall's permission to post this here?
[HTC Sensation] TheNavdeepDahiya:
Video???

Sorry to say but i am still experiencing lag after video
[HTC Sensation] laserman123:
Link down.

Please fix.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Well were close so its not a problem.
[HTC Sensation] capychimp:
He is a part of out team so no worries so is klquicksall so all together
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Nice let me know how it goes
[HTC Sensation] robocik:
Nice work with the kernel :)

my phone is back alive too, i'm so happy hehehe

now i need to flash some stuff to update my self ;) was hard times without the phone, 4 weeks is a loooong time ;)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Should be fine now
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Woohoooo waiting for this.......
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
for those running sense 3.6 try this kernel. I changed some zip settings for sense 3.6

http://d-h.st/JYS

this is 5.3
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I added this feature to my source code. It will be in the next release.
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
its about the same as regular 5.3. the only time i feel the lag is when i scroll through my home pages (almost negligible now) and the app drawer (little more obvious). dam i really want to use this kernel. its really fast in other aspects. thanks for working on it
[HTC Sensation] zimphishmonger:
Did you remove the command line feature by showP? just want to make sure I dont need to name the zip any way special
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
No command line in this kernel
[HTC Sensation] Toxicology:
Can this Kernel be used on Sensation XE? Didn't found any informations about that in post #1!:(
[HTC Sensation] :
Of course you can .. :)
[HTC Sensation] chrolmesq:
Can you please explain what it means to "sweep to unlock?"

My thought was that I could sweep anywhere on the lock screen and it will unlock.

ICSensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I added showp's mod. It really sweep to wakeup. With your phone asleep swipe your finger from the home key to the search key and the phone will wake up. It's the same as using the power button but more fun. ;-)
[HTC Sensation] chrolmesq:
Thanks. It is more fun.

ICSensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
That the only thing that i need to have a perfect kernel thanks....
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
The link fot sense 3.6 is down or its the same for the sense 4?
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Nevermind is working but i need to flash the fix zip for 3.6 after flash 5.3?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Its the same kernel but some 3.6 roms need certain files cleaned out. I changed zip settings for this
[HTC Sensation] chrolmesq:
I'm getting random reboot during calls. Is this normal?

I'm using virtuous inquisition with this kernel (obviously :)). I'm also using the call record app

ICSensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
This sounds like the phone modem is causing the phone to reboot. Most of the ports are not super stable yet.
[HTC Sensation] TheCornInGrove:
Its gone silent in here. Whaz uppp? Any news?

Luv ur kernel!
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Just been working on trying to get Bluetooth going on sense 4. Other than that I've made some updates to the kernel and will release an update today or tomorrow morning.
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Any new about a rcmix new rom?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Capy is working on it pretty hard. It should be up soon.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
well I guess you rcmix loyals will want to try a kernel with 3.0.28(latest linux version) with a lot of bluetooth fixes. Probalby wont work all the way but here is a test kernel

http://d-h.st/Lsz
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Thanks will download now.

Anyways did robo jump ship to one x(which is fine, cause we still have you guys) cause all I hear is you and capy and memnoc(i think that's how you spell). Appreciate all the hard work guys.
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Sense 4?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
robo did get a one x so he will probably be there alot. capy and memmoc are about to post the rom.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Sense 4 is the ported roms from the One S
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Sweet can't wait.
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
for post title i think you mean april 12? were not quite in may yet. lol. anyway cant wait for your next release
[HTC Sensation] DrAgKurt:
Sense 4.0

downloading...
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Lol I must have been drinking
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
New update coming soon. It will go along with the New Rcmix Smartdorid release.
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Thanks alot i love the rcmix kernels and roms
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
allright new kernel up. should stop any freezes on the lockscreen. stock gpu version coming soon.
[HTC Sensation] :
Man thanks for the update I'm using your kernel with rcmix smartdroid and I love this combination ... thanks :)
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
stock gpu coming soon? also, is notification led timer extended for this version? i cant really piece together and understand github stuff :p
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Yes going to post the stock gpu in just a bit. Led timer has been extended.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Here you go man

http://d-h.st/wIP

Rcmix Smartdroid 5.4 stock gpu
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
thanks buddy, hate to annoy the hell outta u but has it been extended to until you address the notification or to a certain duration? will flash tomorrow and report back results :D
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
it should be until you address the notification.
[HTC Sensation] marseillesw:
Hey bro I'm running ur kernel with smartdroid sense 4 and with the vr scheduler, only u include, Rom is like butter. Just a quick question, would u consider adding fauxs intellidemand gov to ur kernel? That would really be the ****, bro. Yet, whatever u decide, I'm rocking rcteam all day!! One..

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
jus wanted to give some feedback. speed is great and ui lag has been fixed. runs pretty well. any amount of undervolt causes stability issues though (i uv by increments of 25), which is strange since i can uv by -50 on bricked and be perfectly stable. the two kernels have the same starting voltages too. but thats not important since the results of uv are negligible. battery life is where the kernel could see improvement. keep up the good work
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Sorry for being absent for the past week. Ive been traving for work and haven't had much time to work on the kernel. Should have a update soon.
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Waiting for this i love it...
[HTC Sensation] :
are waiting for the next release ... take your time man.

I am a big fan of your kernel :)
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Any update on this amazing kernel?
[HTC Sensation] marseillesw:
My question has been answered

Sent from my Sensation 4G using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] koshtaru:
is there anyway to disable the sweep to unlock feature of this kernel? thanks in advance~
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
What happen with this kernel? No more updates?
[HTC Sensation] capychimp:
It's on acsyndicate
[HTC Sensation] :
Here are updates:http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?5105-Kernel-RCMIX-3-0-30-ICS-SENSE
[HTC Sensation] XxXPachaXxX:
Re-opened this kernel thread, so come here for all the updates and changes and support :) The last working kernel is the v5.5

We are working on it, so expect updates soon!
[HTC Sensation] XxXPachaXxX:
Support 1:

Suggested configuration for Sense 4 roms (i'm currently using these settings):

-Kernel version 5.5

-TaKe CONTROL MoD - remember to flash the mod at the end, before the final reboot

-Download System Tuner and keep the default cpu clocks of 1500max 384min (or 1700max if you are using mono-core mod)

-Don't touch the RAM settings of take control mod

-Go in the SD settings and set i/o sheduler to BFQ

-Set your personal voltage levels

-Enjoy a complete fluid Sense4 UI :D
[HTC Sensation] :
Sry for asking here but systemtuner never change my settings for a reboot... Wanted performancd mod, 1728 GHz, bfq scheduler... But after reboot its still as before :/ any help?

...sent from my awesome Sensation XE ( Sense 4.0 )
[HTC Sensation] XxXPachaXxX:
You have to set the boot option :) you can find a button with label boot in all the settings pages
[HTC Sensation] Quantum_Sensation:
Any take control mod for sense 3.6?
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Love this kernel thanks rcmix team
[HTC Sensation] XxXPachaXxX:
The mod work on all roms ;)
[HTC Sensation] gene_wildhart:
Hey,

Have you seen this post over in the dual-core thread? Someone managed to replace the expensive mdprecision routines with something simpler and got a big performance boost.

Sounds like it would make a great addition to this kernel.
[HTC Sensation] sjknight413:
Again, thalamus himself in that post describes how it has a negative impact on performance.
[HTC Sensation] Rico84:
This mod kills performance and the battery drain is way too high
[HTC Sensation] MultiCulti:
Oke, did it :D

What gov do you recommend for take control batterysaver?

Btw, cant use CPU spy würg your Kernel...

Sent from my Sensation loaded with ... whatever ...
[HTC Sensation] tessut:
How to stop sweep to wake/unlock ???
[HTC Sensation] XxXPachaXxX:
In the next version you can choose :)
[HTC Sensation] marseillesw:
Just a request...Do u think u guys could add the savagedzen, pegasusq or maybe intellidemand govs to the next release? Would be great!!

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] kefallo:
I'm using this kernel with callrecorder 1.2.5 and it's not recording. Any suggestion?
[HTC Sensation] XxXPachaXxX:
Really? What's the version u are using?
[HTC Sensation] kefallo:
I'm on pkmn 5.1.0 with rcmix 5.5. Tried calling many times some different phone numbers but no luck :/
[HTC Sensation] marseillesw:
Not taking requests huh? :rolleyes:

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] Tinchoska:
I've just flash this kernel into pkmn 5.1 lets ser how it works. Question, os ir possible both cores are on all time?

Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation Z710e usando Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] Tinchoska:
Sorry for double post, wich governor should I use? I am having a little lag.... Instalation process? befire I use anthrax but I sangre to rey this One

Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation Z710e usando Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] Tinchoska:
What hoy mean with take control mod? What does it do? About voltages wich One is the correct?

Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation Z710e usando Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] sab3r:
Please dont write triple posts, there is a button to edit last one... You can check here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1684552 whats TakeControl v2 mod and about voltages it depends on you which one is better for your phone...
[HTC Sensation] :
Tested Kernel and its really fast. Nice work, cant wait for an Update!

How can i Set s2w without backlight Button?:)

...sent from my awesome Sensation XE ( Sense 4.0 )
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
I keep getting status 7 error while installing! how can i fix this problem?!
[HTC Sensation] commencal661:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1556620&highlight=status+7 try this
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
For those with lag were working on a fix.
[HTC Sensation] shiningarmor:
ah, i see . :cool:

---------- Post added at 06:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:13 PM ----------

current fix i know of is to untick force 2D rendering, and play videos with external video players. using moboplayer now, played my 1080p recording and no lag. works for me at least
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Ok thanks for the tip
[HTC Sensation] Gramzz:
This was veeeryy hard period without You on xda Robocik. Welcome back Master! Nice to see You. We are waiting so much for Your new rom for Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] nonsoike:
tun module does not seem to load. Below is extract from terminal:

# su

root@android:/ # lsmod

bcm4329 215506 0 - Live 0xbf003000

kineto_gan 4252 0 - Live 0xbf000000

root@android:/ #

I am using ARHD 6.5.2.
[HTC Sensation] :
this problem does not stem entirely from the kernel whatever it is
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I'll look into it. The tun module was built correctly.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Have you tried loading it manually. I'll check the script
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I feel your pain. My dhd was trashed and I had to wait for my sensation to get mailed to me.
[HTC Sensation] tigcf:
What do you mean, close? As "using the same body" close? :D
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
:D:D:D
[HTC Sensation] nonsoike:
Yes. I gave tried both inmod and modprobe and both failed. I have also tried using OpenVPN Settings app but no luck.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I'll flash your Rom and see what's going on.
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
can you please state what the gpu overclock frequencies are? thanks
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
The 3D core is set to 320mhz and the 2D core is set to 228mhz
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Is gpu bandwidth given a boost too.
[HTC Sensation] nonsoike:
tun module

If you can confirm that tun module loads OK on RCMix ROM, perhaps I can flash RCMix ROM.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Right now thats all ive done with gpu. I try new builds all the time so maybe I can get a bandwith boots in there too.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I flashed the Android Rev rom and this is what I get when I insmod
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Ok for those who asked here is the RCMix kernel with the stock gpu.

http://d-h.st/OlO

You can also find it in the first post.

Enjoy
[HTC Sensation] nonsoike:
Thanks for the support. I tried

insmod system/lib/modules/tun.ko

instead of:

insmod /system/lib/modules/tun.ko

and it works.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Im glad it works for you.
[HTC Sensation] nonsoike:
Please can you recommend a way of automating this process. Can the tun module be loaded at start-up or can one use an app to load the module at a single tap.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
It will be fixed in the updater script.
[HTC Sensation] NODO-GT:
Great kernel.

after my tests:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24006372&postcount=9

seems to be one of the best. just slower in IO performance compared to other kernels.

as feeling in UI, it's better then others, and 3D is important for me so I'm sticking with this one :)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Thanks for sharing your results.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Two three days wo far WiFi calling is still working strong, no drops.

Some freezes and lags in games, rarely happens and when it does its noticeable. Games are from zynga
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Cool. Thanks for tbe the update.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Anyone have a usb otg cable and want to test a kernel?
[HTC Sensation] remus82:
Nice kernel! This is the only kernel that gives me a smooth launcher experience. No idea what you did but good job!

Sent from my Sensation running Hypernonsense
[HTC Sensation] tropical cactus:
+1. Just not sure how to get those quadrant scores. Best here is 3300.:(
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Thanks for the support. I try to keep a stock base with all the mods that make the sensation great.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
For best quadrant set min and max to 1.7 on performance and test.
[HTC Sensation] :
I have one at home I can test with after work today.
[HTC Sensation] invisiblebm:
It runs very good on sense 4 rom. Smooth and lag free. Thanks.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Nice screen shot. So far i haven't had any reboots. So im happy with that.
[HTC Sensation] invisiblebm:
I feel ,like I am using my old Gingerbread Rom. Until now, NO single problem. Fast and smooth. I dont like sense 3.6 , Sense 4.0 runs smoother, and with your kernel it is just near perfection. I am still missing my bluetooth, but....! I hope fix is coming soon. Nice kernel, appretiated!

:):)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Hopefully with all the devs working on bluetooth it will be fixed soon.
[HTC Sensation] invisiblebm:
Yes! I am looking forward and also >> for newer updates from you. Alittle offtopic:

I am runing my sense 4.0 Rom with firmware 3.12. Surprisely I have best results with this combination. While everyone recomend latest firmware it seems like 3.12 runs better.

:):):)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Well use what works for you. All the 3.xx firmwares are similar. The latest is just supposed to be more polished.
[HTC Sensation] invisiblebm:
Yes, but with 3.12 is easy to flash GB rom, without changing HBOOT number. That was my point. GB and ICS with same firmware.
[HTC Sensation] :
Is there a particular ROM I should be trying the OTG cable with? I've installed this kernel with ARHD 6.5.1 but see no way to enable host mode.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
http://db.tt/JBLMHYlT

Here is the test kernel

from my HTC Sensation using xda premium
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Yes that's true. Eventually it will be all Ics and hboot will have to change.
[HTC Sensation] :
Flashed the kernel and ran USB Host Diagnostics. It says USB host isn't supported. DSLR controller doesn't work either.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Ok thanks. Ill work on it some more when i get back home with my usb otg cable.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
For those who want to try different I/O schedulers use no frills cpu tuner from the market. There are a few built into the kernel. You can change them like a cpu gov.
[HTC Sensation] ndavidetnt:
Superb kernel! thanks.

This is my experience: normal score in I\O both in in quadrant and Antutu benchmarks, (above stock, equal to bricked kernel). Huge step forward in Cpu and graphic scrores.

I tried interactive: better scores in benchmark, but worst experience in the phone usage overall. is it a known "behaviour"?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Yes on interactive you will get better battery life but slightly lower performance. I just keep it on ondemand. It works best for me. The downside is battery life suffers more with ondemand.
[HTC Sensation] :
I am using this kernel, 1.7.4 droid with sense 4 and the rom really smooth and good battery.

thanks man :)
[HTC Sensation] jaysun3000:
going to give it a go on OrDroid 1.7.4 coming off the AnthraX3 test kernel to compare
[HTC Sensation] TheCornInGrove:
Hey IshouldntbeHere,

thank u 4 this superb Kernel. Its the best Kernel, as I found out 4 my Sensation, as I tried and compared several Kernel's, which are Bricked V0.55, Faux 002, Anthrax 2.5, and last, but not least Sebastian's Kernel (Sebastians works gr8 for me too).

But yours is the best, and quadrant/antutu scores prove this.

Good Job, keep it up man!
[HTC Sensation] bigmoew:
Wrong thread, pls ignore :)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Good to hear. An update will be rolling out soon.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Thats good to hear. Thanks for the support.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
If you like the kernel dont forget to vote 5 starts. Apparently some people gave me 1 star and got me down to a 4 star thread.
[HTC Sensation] x3nophobia:
will give 4.3 a try on sense 4, coming off from anthrax 3.0
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
voted 5 stars a long time ago. great kernel, great support. what else you need? dam haters dont know whats good. cant wait for update. hoping it continues to stick close to stock. maybe lower flashlight limit to 5% :D
[HTC Sensation] x3nophobia:
kernel works good, smooth as hell. but is it normal to have 257ma while wifi on? im using stock battery
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
New kernel up RCMIX SENSATION ICS 5.0.1

Antutu bench looking nice. A bit higher than the pic in the op. ;)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
The clock might have been set to high by default. Try the updated kernel.
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
will there be a stock gpu version of the new version? thanks
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Yes it will be coming soon.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Sweet
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Here is the version with the stock gpu

RCMIX SENSATION ICS 5.0.1 STOCK GPU
[HTC Sensation] Nyto75:
sorry but could you tell me what's the difference with stock gpu? is it better? if yes, for what? ^^

thansk for answers i really don't get it
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I made a stock gpu version because some asked for it. The stock gpu kernel doesnt OC the 2d and 3d cores. The OC gpu boosts the gpu for a great gaming expericence for one. Try both and see which one you like the best.
[HTC Sensation] JONGAR1357:
Would this kernel work on any AOSP ICS rom? or does it have to be sense roms?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
No this will only work for Sense roms.
[HTC Sensation] JONGAR1357:
Oh ok thank you buddy. Any idea where I can find a good kernel for AOSP ICS rom? Thank you in advance :)
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
showp 1984 makes a aosp kernel. Should be named bricked.
[HTC Sensation] JONGAR1357:
Awesome bro thanks a lot :)
[HTC Sensation] volscian:
So about that editable VDD table...I've tried a couple different programs, and nothing works. I can't change frequency, I can't change voltage, I can't do anything without it going back. Am I doing something wrong?
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Not sure if showp already made one for ics but I know faux has.

Edit: great kernel btw, no more lag in some games.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Not sure if its a bug or just my phone. But with the new kernel its taking anywhere from two or three power button pushes to wake up the phone.
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
I havent seen that. What rom are you on?
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Ill post a guide soon
[HTC Sensation] x3nophobia:
I got 2957 on quadrant, using latest kernel
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
You need to clock max and min to 1.7 on performance. Quadrant standard is flakey. Use antutu or cf bench.
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
try increasing your min frequency. many factors will cause that, kernel/rom/min freq/etc. this one works great on mine at 192 min, but has that problem on sebastians kernel

2G37963271574315M, a nice cold beer for your hard work. really liking this kernel. id give more but im a broke college student.

what do you think about decreasing flashlight limit to 5% :D
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Thanks for the beer. Yeah ill drop the flashlight down from 10% to 5 on the next release.
[HTC Sensation] Tabtoub:
Hi,

I have a question

I was using bricked kernel from showp and now switched to Rcmix kernel. (running OrDroid 1.7.5 sense 4 from Shinizon)

In the bricked kernel zip, there is a file named Thermald.conf which is not present in the rcmix kernel zip file. and now after I flashed Rcmix kernel, thermald.conf is still present in system/etc.

So the question is should I delete this file or leave it?

thanks a lot for ur hard work

Regards
[HTC Sensation] IshouldntbeHere:
Thats an added tweak from showp. The reason its there is because you flashed my kernel that doesn't have it. So no wipe or overwrite. You can leave it. Its not going to hurt anything.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
I'm on baads sense 4 beta 14

Will give it a shot and see how it goes.