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[Android General] z33dev33l:
Actually, I dislike iOS. However, it's smoother, more fluid, and more secure. Sure, you have security features if you're one of the 1/1600 who falls victim to cellphone theft and anyone can remove those security features. With iOS or WP7 you don't have to worry about getting viruses from the marketplace or, well anywhere. Gotta love the guitar hero fans who downloaded what looked like a reduced price guitar hero and lost tons of money. When I think of functionality for a phone, I don't think of a bunch of unnecessary things I could do but have no reason to. I think of how well it can be utilized for it's intended purpose, a device for social interactions.

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runs quite nicely on the 4s, slight lag on start-up but it gets going well.
[Android General] mistermentality:
Okay where to start...well first off people have had malware from ios app store, its been developed by a few developers one of whom had to actually make it known his app was malware because apple never noticed and allowed it through. So yes ios has had and can have malware (which antivirus companies seem to now claim as virus if on a mobile os). It is not as many think impervious.

As for wp7 malware well when wp7 gets more popular it will become a target and get some too, but of the mobile os's it is the safest in regard to getting malware or viruses I agree. But then its the newest, designed in an age where such nasty apps are more prevalent, and so designed with this problem in mind whereas the others such as ios and android were designed before these were ever an issue so wp7 has the advantage in that respect.

You say the antitheft features are not useful primarily because you say anyone can remove them. No they can't actually, if your phone is locked then unless they find a way to flash it they won't overcome it and most thieves are unlikely to be able to or bothered to do so.

You then completely skirt over all the other security features such as encryption to end up saying you prefer a phone to be a social interaction tool which by implication you believe android is not.

Given that android has just as many social apps as ios and more than wp7, and all work just as well, could you tell us what leads you to believe android is not a good device for social interaction?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] z33dev33l:
I don't really have time to reply to all right now as I'm en route to work, but android is not a social device in my opinion because to get half of the social interaction that a wp7 device does out of the box, you have to download a dozen apps from the android market, most of which your average person won't find or will find a lesser version of, and it's still not as good as what we have baked in. Like I said, the security measures are cool if you're the 1/1600, but it doesn't compare to features that are useful to most if not all and it still requires apps that most won't find.
[Android General] mistermentality:
I had twitter facebook etc preinstalled as do all android phones I have seen so no you don't need to download any apps to do social interaction.

Are you saying, by referring to apps as not easy to find, that phones are only good if apps are preinstalled? Because I'm sure wp7 doesn't come with all apps you ever use preinstalled in which case how is android inferior as a social device?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] sudkcoce:
I don't understand how anyone can say android is less stable than an iPhone. My desire never crashes, I can always make calls and write sms even if I am a power user, running tasker with about ten profiles, syncing stuff, constantly on the net, wifi and 3g, Bluetooth, and what not. Yesterday, my friend who has an iPhone 4s, not jailbroken, easy user, could not accept a phone call. And he told me that was not the first time that has happened. How about that?
[Android General] z33dev33l:
sounds like a fabrication made just for this thread. The gs2, still widely regarded as one of the most powerful android devices, crashes like crazy. The SMS app force closes if you have any browser aside from the default up, the dialer is laggy, and the phone as a whole is not even usable by my standards.
[Android General] telep:
You go girl .:eek: Why you eaven bother to power up that phone, it's ready to be replaced with one and only windows phone, that has no flaws.
[Android General] zanderman112:
Your standards are very biased.

To me, it sounds like the ROM on the GS2 is buggy. Again, you cant judge an entire OS based on one device.

And don't get me started on the lack of apps on WP7, the lack of total customization, the locked down state of *every* WP7 device, the whole chevron ordeal, etc. WP7 has many issues, that you have so far failed to bring up.

~E.R.A.
[Android General] vetvito:
^ I told you guys to not feed the thing. You're only playing in to his little game.
[Android General] mistermentality:
No wonder you dislike android, but that's not been my experience in fact the sms app has genuinely never crashed and dialer is fine.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] chaki-:
Well after i have seen everything that you wrote i will be very gentle next time with iFAN's belive me. They are looking like little white rabbit's to me right now.......:D
[Android General] z33dev33l:
stock gingerbread and stock ics or a clean also build of ICS all highly recommended by numerous users? Gotta be the rom, or the other 30+ android devices I have owned, all bad roms, gotta be it. If you can name a necessary app that wp7 lacks, I'll be impressed. Android users attempt to customize largely because they want a smoother more user friendly experience, wp7 achieves this out of the box. These aren't issues, they're limitations in the eyes of some self-proclaimed power users, not issues. Issues would be things like lag, malware, instability, fragmentation, or to summarize, android.
[Android General] harryfokker:
ics is not really and improvment , for me is like a transition os
[Android General] MissionImprobable:
Sorry, had to call him out on the utter foolishness. I can normally just deal with it here and there, but I couldn't let that one stand.
[Android General] thihaz:
i will buy an iphone if it has

Text wrapping in browser

Bigger screen

Flash support natively

oh it already has a status bar(copied from android) so I don't need to ask for it.

I really want to try iphone.
[Android General] z33dev33l:
Why do people still want flash? It's unstable, not secure, outdated, and poorly implemented.
[Android General] zanderman112:
Because half of the web is still in flash... its the option to use it that matters, not your opinion on the usefulness of it.

Android users get to choose: which device specs they want, what they want their UI to look like(for the most part), what all features they want w/o it being stuffed down their throat(especially in ICS, as any preinstalled app can be disabled in the settings, and it will not be available/visible until its re-enabled).

Can you disable apps that come preinstalled on WP7? Can you view flash content, if you choose to? Or even need too? Can you easily modify your device to your liking?

If you like WP7 as it comes, good for you, thats your choice. But for people who

ENJOY

open, modifiable, customizable to their liking software, there is Android.

Remember, there is no "best OS." There is whatever you prefer.
[Android General] dincdoes.me:
My whole family uses iPhones except my wife and I. it really sucked when they would talk crap about me not using Ios every time we gatherd.. Till this past Saturday when I whipped out my Galaxy Note played with lots of beautiful widgets, hand wrote messages with the S~pen, sent texts in seconds to grandma across the table sipping on her prune juice thanks to Swype, laid out status updates instantly, then played Nintendo 64 with my little cousin on the HUGE 5.3 Super Amoled HD screen:D

That is the beautiful thing about Android is all about....wait for it..... choice.

Stuff that in your "high quality ios app" n smoke on it.

Edit

I like the looks of iPhone and windows phone so I have the freedom to use launchers to make my phone look like both plus an user doesn't need root aka jailbreak.
[Android General] z33dev33l:
You get choice and sacrifice speed, quality and stability. It can work well and look good doing it or work poorly and look however you want, but mostly like a poor imitation of another OS.

Oh, and unlike android, I can delete any bloatware that comes pre-installed without modding, and I never needed to worry about CIQ.
[Android General] zanderman112:
CIQ isn't an android thing. That's software that can be installed on anything. And its up to carrier, not the OS if that gets baked in.

And I want proof of how android is "sacrificing speed, quality, and stability" to give users choice. If you're talking about the ability to emulate WP7 or iOS, that doesn't do any of the negative effects you listed.

To copy WP7:

Launcher7(home screen, runs instead of default, using less resources)

WP7 Notifications(WP7 style notifications)

Messaging Metro(WP7 style messaging application)

WP7Lock(WP7 lockscreen)

WP7 Gingerbread Keyboard(wp7 themed GB keyboard)

And I've forgotten the names, but there are Wp7 Music, Contacts, Dialer, and probably more.

Same thing for iOS:

Espier Launcher

iPhone Notifications

Espier Browser(admittedly not the best browser)

*Various Lockscreen Apps*

GoSMS or Handcent have iOS style Messaging

iPhone Keyboard Emulator

And there are status bar apps as well to emulate the style of both OS's.

None of those setups have caused ill effects on my phone. And I have fooled iOS users into thinking I had an iPhone until they noticed my capacitive keys(I don't know anyone with a WP7 phone, or I'd try to fool them as well)

With these setups, the replacement apps run instead of the stock ones. Same memory usage(give or take, not set in stone obviously).

Edit: and I forgot to mention, all of the above apps run root free. Any android phone can use them.
[Android General] z33dev33l:
You sacrifice speed, stability, and everything with the OS itself, you don't have to worry about lag on the other OS's, or frequent force closes (not any on wp7, even with our tiny processors) you don't have to worry about a noticable ping delay between hitting the key and it actually registering, it's the little things that really bug you once you use a quality OS rather than a quantity OS. Oh, and CIQ isn't a concern for me because Microsoft's agreements with the carriers doesn't allow them to install software that can't be uninstalled by the simple removal method, (long tap and delete) as the only outer company allowed deep OS integration is Nokia. Can't even get that pure an experience on a nexus device these days.
[Android General] Ankit Tulsian:
Instead of arguing why not just buy iPhone and be apple *****. I prefer android because of its open source and you really own a s2?I have read all your posts and frankly speaking I never ever had so called lag you faced on s2 and not all users of s2 or any other android phone uses custom rom they purely depend on stock.If every one faces those issues why will s2 will have the highest sale? I think there is some hardware issue in your phone.

Sorry for any grammatical mistakes if any.
[Android General] telep:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
[Android General] z33dev33l:
That doesn't pertain to wp7

I recently traded my s2 for another lumia 900, couldn't use it anymore. It's kinda like using a windows computer, you use it enough and you get so used to processes ending unexpectedly and the constant lag. After awhile it just becomes part of the experience. Android can do a million things poorly, wp7 can do quite a bit less, but seamlessly. I can't think of anything android does well.
[Android General] telep:
Who gives a f..k about WP7, this is android vs iOS thread?
[Android General] z33dev33l:
Ok then, as they say this can be largely attributed to the fact that the new iOS version and the differential is expected to see-saw drastically once ICS is thrown into the equation. Then there's the fact that this only pertains to the top-tier apps with the difference fervently closing the lower tier we get. You're a lot more likely to use these low-tier apps on your android devices for customization reasons.
[Android General] telep:
Yeah, that must be it. ;)
[Android General] mcord11758:
What makes you come to the determination that android users customize for a smoother user friendly experience?

I have ios and android devices and do not feel either is more "smooth". personally I would never purchase a wp7 device as the interface imo is the ugliest thing I have witnessed on a mobile device. my guess is I am not alone thus they fact that they platform is floundering with no market share.

The premise to most of your arguments are not grounded in reality. I am using a beta port of ICS from a phone on my tablet at the moment and do not experience any or the complaints you spew of fc or lag or lack of smoothness. so using a foreign devices software does not even replicate what you claim is the android experience

No fault in you liking wp7. I guess someone has to

In these end, and to each his own

Flyer
[Android General] mistermentality:
I don't wish to sound like I'm picking on you but I remember you saying that one user having a smooth phone that didn't crash must be making it up, and I have to say that you having thirty or more bad slow laggy unusable android devices sounds more unlikely than someone saying that one android device works fine.

I'm not saying I've never had an app force close or even once had to reboot (I have had an app that froze a phone and did need to reboot) but I do use a lot of different apps including betas. Yet even I've never had the issues you keep describing as if they are inherent to android.

I know quite a few people who have android and actually really do never have a crash nor do they find it lags, they are what I would call normal users (games, facebook, basic stuff).

If you had even one or two awful experiences I doubt you'd return for another twenty or thirty more android devices.

If I buy something crap I don't think lets see if its a one off and buy thirty more, I doubt many people do and as you seem an intelligent person I doubt you would either so thirty sounds a bit unlikely, unless of course you got given them in which case I apologise.

As for customising well a lot of people do it just because they can, its fun to change the look with a moving background and new launcher.

Its the same reason some people redecorate their homes, because they want things to look how they want them to.

But back to apps and I would like to rephrase your question about wp7 and ask you what apps do you think android is missing?

In regard to wp7 I've heard the following apps are missing from it....bbc iplayer and youtube. I use both these and to me they are essential apps. Less essential but useful missing apps are dropbox, google currents, and apparently skype is of little use because it can only get or make calls if the app is in foreground unlike on android and ios so that's an essential app that's poorly done in wp7.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] mistermentality:
That's always the argument of those who can't get flash on their device, but on your pc surely you use flash sites sometimes? Well we want flash because we like to visit same sites on our androids as on our pc's.

Flash is not great but it is still widely used so we want it and that's the answer :)

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] mistermentality:
Please stop going on about ciq, its NOT an android issue...it affected iphones and androids in america, so its not android specific and for most of the world has never been an issue therefore it is not in a way a point usable against a specific os.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] mistermentality:
Are you serious? On my 512 mb phone I can watch a hd movie and go on youtube simultaneously (using overskreen) and its still smooth. I can even scroll through my ui with the apps in background and its still smooth.

Keyboard response is absolutely fine and speed is just as good as any similar spec device I've seen. You do not sacrifice speed stability etc using android.

Instead of vague generic statements such as "you sacrifice everything" please mention specific issues. For example if on an android phone you believe the ui is very slow when multitasking say that and someone can show if it is correct but generic arguments attacking another os with no detail are not evidence they are just your personal view.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] thoiloidainhan:
what great series!!!! anyone who have seen this and still don't see how inferior ios (dont even consider WP7 a smart os!!!)is to android is just plain maniac and isn't worth educating anymore. If anyone want to refute what OP is saying just make a video demonstrating your point. don't just post POS like "it crashed here, crashed there, slow speed, poor stability". Too generic, any 5 grader can do that. everyone wants to see proof.
[Android General] paintball23456:
this is the best comparison ever
[Android General] Hell Guardian:
Speed? You know that the iPhone is no longer the superior on the hardware section right? and if you mean the menus..ever heard of custom launchers?

Can you define QUALITY ? or you are just making things up now? if you mean the cartoonish icons then again i have to ask you....ever heard of custom launchers?

Stability..wow lol not going to even comment on that

And OF COURSE you didnt need to worry about Carrier IQ as you wouldn't even know if it was there (and it was indeed there for long long time) as iOS is just that closed that you can't even know what's going on your system

And yeah i really like your app store where apps can just spy on you without you knowing what Permissions they need and what are they going to do with it..what a joke
[Android General] mistermentality:
In his defence his preffered os is actually wp7 which wasn't affected by ciq in america.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] Hell Guardian:
WP7 didnt have CIQ because no one is using it not because its better! Just like MACS dont have viruses its because hackers dont give a f*** about them because they are not popular
[Android General] paintball23456:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHUrE1mml4o&feature=g-u-u
[Android General] z33dev33l:
I have a bit of an addiction to Craigslist, if I see a deal on there that I feel I can turn around for a profit I buy it. There is the official YouTube app which is a sad excuse, but plenty of excellent alternatives. I don't know what BBC player is, but I swear I heard something about it being built on wmpoweruser.com not too long ago, and dropbox seems kinda meh in comparison to SkyDrive.

I think there's a few old porn sites that still use it? That's about it.

Perhaps we have different definitions of smooth, with similar specced devices to a 512 MHz processor I wouldn't be shocked as that's like the iPhone 3g which is the last iPhone that was shunned out of existence. I do need to find a means of measuring the ping lag on the keyboard as that's a huge complaint for me.

Who cares about specs? It's about software. Also, who needs to accidentally install viruses from the market when the carrier or OEM can do it for them? While some custom launchers improve the issue, they don't resolve it.

Nope, it's that contractually they can't.
[Android General] votinh:
Now, since the "Android vs. iOS" is done ............ in favor of Android.

By the end of these series, I think Android is so much powerful.

Now, to be fair, I want to see some Apple gurus come up with something such videos or posts, doing the "iOS vs. Android" kind of thing. I want to see how iOS fare better in the eyes of Apple fans.
[Android General] zanderman112:
The only was a virus can be installed is user error.

Every app on the market blatantly tells you what permissions it has access too. For any smart user, they know that a game doesn't need sms read/write permissions.

As for your comment regarding flash...seriously? There's a TON of websites that still use flash. You seem to be losing things to aruge.

Your claims that android is "unstable, laggy, unsecure" have all been proven wrong the past two days, yet you still make the arguments, that based on your GS2 and "every rom you tried" android is unusable.

The ultimate decider for me is my mom. If she looks at something for a few minutes and decides one is better(simpler), I know that's truth. She compared the Nexus S 4G to the HTC Arrive(WP7) and said the Nexus S 4G(on GB at the time) was much easier to use.

She has no interest in WP7, as she was repulsed by the device.

~E.R.A.
[Android General] mcord11758:
I would say 50% of my internet browsing requires flash. I watch live sports on certain sites and stream videos with flash on others. I could not use a device without flash, it would be utterly useless

Porn too, but you are comically off base with that comment
[Android General] chaki-:
:D :D :D :D :D Nokia and WP7 or WP8 never have a chance in the premier leauge. And will never do. Such restricted OS can't be even considered to be anything then wasting money.....
[Android General] TheSniperFan:
Although I agree with the test of your post, this part is not completely right.

Proper made viruses don't need Android to give them the rights, "they just take them".

What I'm about to say counts for Android, iOS, Windows, OSX and Linux.

Many people think they are smart and that only idiots get viruses. This is a very dangerous way of thinking!

One can get a virus just by opening a webpage and never notice.
[Android General] Hell Guardian:
Everyone cares of the specs! why do you get new phone everyone and then? its because its not a PC you can UPGRADE it! oh wait you can overclock it with Android haha

god can you please stop making things up? again...ever heard of Permissions? and your accusations is invalid as you know apple had CIQ for years..

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the only ways that can happen is

an iFrame, a Java Drive by, or a exploit in the browser (really rare now)

So yeah indeed...if you smart that wont happen to you...
[Android General] mistermentality:
I didn't say it was better just that his preffered os wasn't affected, it seemed people thought him an ios fanboy when its more he enjoys wp7 and ios is just a fallback second best.

But as for macs they do have viruses now, but I agree that wp7 is not as popular.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] mistermentality:
I don't have a 512mhz phone its 512mb which is same as latest iphone. I understood youtube was not officially on wp7 but iplayer definitely isn't as its bbc only and as yet they don't support wp7.

Regarding this thing you have about viruses I have never had one so I think your exaggerating it as if all android users get them but we really don't.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )