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[Android General] TheSniperFan:
Those ways plus:

DNS spoofing

Exploits in browser plugins (flash is known for that kind of ****)

Exploits in the browser itself

Exploits in the Android OS

Please tell me what should stop me from adding a link to a malicious website in my app, as fake update site or donation link or whatever. Keyword: social engineering.

You can safely say that if you're smart, it's less likely to happen to you. You can safely say that if you're dumb, it's more likely to happen to you.

What you said is wrong, as it doesn't lie in your hands. Hell, xda can be hacked and you get a virus if you're just reading news our this thread.

Being smart is not a solution against viruses, just helps you to avoid it. People trend to forget that the developers of this kind of software are highly intelligent and being outsmarted by them is no sign that the user is dumb. Getting your ass kicked by a martial artist does bout mean you're weak.

In short:

If you're dumb, it's luck if you don't get a virus.

If you're smart, it's bad luck if you do.
[Android General] Hell Guardian:
I'm not saying smart people are viruses proof! am saying they know where to get TRUSTED app from TRUSTED developers, you are making the internet sound like an evil place full with bad people that are going to hack you, we are talking about the idea of SMART people getting less infected because they make SMART choices like checking permission and getting apps from trusted sources..

well you can do that but you will go no where on a linux or mac unless you have a smart Trojan built with a multi-system programming language like java that will work as a downloader to download the right Trojan based on the operating system or just a script that checks your operating system and download the right "TROJAN" for your system but yet we have gone so far and a bit extreme here! Android is vulnerable with allow untrusted app to run ticked as a jailbroken iPhone, so no need to make Android sound like a bad OS when its clearly the best, as its all about take the right and SMART choices :)
[Android General] z33dev33l:
I get new phones because they look better and are from a better OEM, regardless of whether or not I'm using a 3 year old snapdragon or a 2 year old updated one, my experience will be smoother than yours.

Anyway, if you want to see how unresponsive it is, somewhere in the settings menu on the gnex there's a setting to show the point you're touching, use that and swipe around, the delay gets pretty wretched. Still looking for how to test on the keyboard, but no one's disproven my claims and if you watch the one x vs the lumia 900 video you can see the definitive difference. All I've got is people saying that thaat doesn't happen on theirs which it shouldn't because it doesn't on meego's meager specs, but it does.
[Android General] mcord11758:
your right you do see the difference, The HTC One looks nice, while the lumia has that absurd looking WP7
[Android General] JeramyEggs:
This thread has gone off the rails. Once again, Z has gone on and on for days about his Windows fixation. The world revolves around Z, and his phone. His opinion is gospel. Every thread he posts in is about how android is dirt. Rehash of the last thread he trolled. The thing that gets me is I want to read good conversation between conflicting views, but we need someone who is rational.(not Z) D@mn it, now I am involved. Do you see his cunning? By the way, how much did Nokia make last quarter? What is the market share of windows phones? Does the old winmo have more users than windows7? These are some big picture questions that haven't been talked about. Androids rise to the top was through huge amounts of growth. An alternative to Apple, and RIM. It's growth worldwide has been nothing short of spectacular. You may not like it, but you can't deny it.

Edit one- I am on a cdma account, and can talk, and surf the net. Does any windows phone offer this?

Edit two- Back on topic, Thank you OP, for doing these videos. I am sure you got hounded on YouTube.
[Android General] TheSniperFan:
Fully agree with you. It's just less common for smart people, not entirely impossible. As long as you know that, you're really smart. ;)

"Trusted" is a huge problem though. That's what the whole idea of social engineering is based on.

That's nothing special nowadays. I've already played around with such software at home (and at school :D ). Scary what you can do without the others noticing if you think about it.

Yeah, it is extreme, but still reality.

I don't think that the possibility to install apps from everywhere is an issue. On every Desktop-OS it's the same. Google gives you the responsibility. If you f**k it up, well,

you

did.

The idea of my post was just to make it clear that being smart/dumb is a passive factor when it comes to malware. Your actions can only raise/lower the risk, but in the end it's not in your hand. We don't check every website for malware, before opening it in the browser. We believe that this has been taken care of by others and hope that nothing happens.
[Android General] mistermentality:
No one has disproven your claims that android is inherently laggy and cannot be smooth like ios and wp7?

Ok quick search found lots of examples such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBTqYvJVHCA&feature=youtube_gdata_player in which android is directly compared for ui smoothness against ios and wp7 and is just as smooth.

Claim disproved?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] Hell Guardian:
Really wise words, good to see more wise people in this thread

not my OS is better than yours OS i'm so awesome, and that kind of BS ;)
[Android General] undecided323:
i like both so it doesnt matter to me
[Android General] TheSniperFan:
Thanks, I usually try to be as unbiased and as careful as possible in discussions.

Staying calm is hard if you're discussing with people who have no idea what they're talking about and/or are emotional (no reference to this thread, but to some real-life situations I had). They're a huge pain in the arse if you have an "unpopular" opinion or just try to be unbiased. :( The worst thing is if people have no idea what they're talking about, but don't want to see it.

To get B2T:

When I compare WP7, iOS and Android it boils down to this:

What I like about WP7:

the beautiful design (IMO)

the "feel"

Where WP7 fails:

apps

closed down

nothing special (no niche)

little to no customization

What I like about iOS:

has shown how a touchscreen UI has to be

apps

has fewer problems (fewer devices/one OS)

is polished

Where iOS fails:

closed down

little to no customization

ugly (IMO)

integration of apps is a joke

not many devices

price (because it's only available with an iPhone you have to go with it)

What I like about Android:

it's open

customization

apps

the app integration is great

custom Roms

OpenSource*

Where Android fails:

not as polished as iOS

fragmentation (not a dealbreaker for me, but still exists)

update-support

app-quality (especially on tablets)

*I believe in sharing. If I create something, I love to share how I did it.

In the end it's a question of what you personally like, want and what's more or less important to you.

My choice was Android for various reasons. Mainly due to customization, custom Roms and being OpenSource. As much as I could kiss the feet of the team that came up with the WP7 design, I could punch MS in the balls for what they did some time ago (Chevron anyone?). iOS is by Apple and I'm strongly against their way of handling competition and the fact that their prices are unreasonable.
[Android General] z33dev33l:
I see a very distinct difference in speed and responsiveness, I do like that he tried to drag out the gestures to make it seem more balanced though, the lack of quick flicks did wonders for his comparison.
[Android General] iJimaniac:
This is my thought on the matter; ANY os that is OPEN SOURCE is automatically going to end up being the best compared to one that is not! I believe ios WAS better back when android was first released, but android has moved ahead in light-years, whereas ios as advanced at a snails pace. I believe android overtook ios as "better" with gingerbread. Now with every future release they will simply move even farther ahead than apple (unless they change their game, which isn't likely). The simple fact is this: ios can't be better because android can do everything it can + way more! I like to ask ios fans to show me one feature they think is exclusive to their os, and I like to watch their faces as I show them how it is done better on android! Also; apple clearly realizes that android is better, or they wouldn't be copying it's features and labeling them "revolutionary". I mean, that status bar in ios5 looks painfully familiar (actually not even close to as good as androids). And siri, really? Android has had voice control for YEARS now, but apple goes and throws a terrible sounding computer voice over it and calls it "revolutionary". Give me a break! :rolleyes:

And great job on the videos, btw! I love people who methodically show WHY something is better instead of just saying it IS! I would love to see someone try to make a video on WHY ios is better!

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[Android General] vetvito:
^ Game Center
[Android General] mistermentality:
I am amazed at how you only see what you wish to see. No doubt you could see a hundred videos and still not believe android can be smooth.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] masondoctorjt:
I can... Wait for it... EVERYTHING!
[Android General] enzoevo:
the only thing crapple does well is litigate
[Android General] zanderman112:
~E.R.A.
[Android General] iJimaniac:
Okay, so the one thing ios does have is software. I mean, lets face it; it is alot harder to get devices to communicate with each other good enough for gaming when your dealing with thousands of different software and hardware configurations! However; I would expect this to get much better in the next year, as android is really starting to "consolidate" itself. We already have one Os to run on both tablets and phones (ics), and the variety of different hardware is (thankfully) getting smaller. Compared to a couple years ago when there where android phones out of the wazoo to choose from, now we have roughly three phones that 90% of buyers are really going to flock to (the nexus, SIII, and One S). And believe me, that is GREAT news for developers! If Google can solve some of the piracy issues that scare some of the big developers, but at the same time not create a closed system like apple, we should have gaming that matches, if not passes apple in another year or so (expecially considering the hardware in new android phones is more than capable of console like gaming, whereas apple's is still pretty pathetic).

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[Android General] swishersweedz420:
they can stop all phone's coming into the u.s. and i still wont buy their phone.
[Android General] vetvito:
Google already working on it. ; )

We already have the games, we have great games, we just don't have a centralized place. Game Center is great, WP7 attempted this but fails miserably. We have. Gameloft Live but it's not for every game.
[Android General] DarkSeL:
I hate iOS, and like WP/Android.. But you CANNOT deny that iOS anyone can use, without knowing anything.. It is just so simple.
[Android General] jasonkhoo87:
really nice share here. love android so much..
[Android General] dollar7:
I hate iOS too.

Android is the best! :cool:
[Android General] MissionImprobable:
Meh, Android is just as intuitive. I've seen people grasp both easily, and people look at both and go "wtf?" While I don't find iOS to be "difficult" I do find it to be cumbersome and clumsy. No back button, no long press for options, no drag and hold to uninstall. Lots of little things that I just thought, "hey, let me try this" and just worked on my Android device. To each his own, though.
[Android General] masondoctorjt:
I agree. My sister-n-law picked up my sensation and had no problem with it. She said her husbands iphone was much harder to figure out. She's never used either os before.
[Android General] atulanand94:
awesome

awesome videos..

it really shows how powerful Android os are...

keep up the gud work
[Android General] gaoqi7:
I love android deeply but do not hate IOS also !
[Android General] beez1717:
Android is good for people who like customisation and quick and easy features. iOS issues good for people who like the os to take care of the advanced features and provide the user with a simple and easy to understand os. Not many people who are not tech savy will realize that there are launchers or alternate browsers or alternative keyboards. those people can use iOS and be very happy with it. I prefer my customization so I use android on my phone. I prefer iOS on my tablet because I feel that my tablet shouldn't get in the way with tons of options or features. The apps should shine through and be the focus. I love my ipad because of that.
[Android General] thebobp:
I don't see how you can call a lack of advanced features, "the os taking care of advanced features".
[Android General] techmatlock:
Very well done man. You touched up on almost everything there is to know at a normal user level. Came from an iOS device and will never go back to it.
[Android General] stuart0001:
Drove to work this morning with google navigation, speed camera alerts and podcasts playing, all running at the same time. Ahh, the joys of Android.
[Android General] thebobp:
Lack of ability to select your opener app does affect everyone, as do the inconsistency of the back button, lack of multitasking, increased number of steps to share data between apps, and "numerous other examples in the video" ;)

You forgot, in this browser metaphor, that both cater to the user. It's just that one gives the additional option of self-catering, while the other just goes "don't like our catering? deal with it or gtfo."

(Unless, of course, you aren't actually talking about the video content at all and are just back to your usual hijack-trolling, in which case gtfo.)

sent from my Terran Command Center.
[Android General] wendellc:
My family and I enjoyed the video. Please keep them coming, thanks!
[Android General] KingKuba13:
Good video.

Always here from iphone people who everything is so much much simpler and easier to do in iOS yet everything requires more steps. :rolleyes:
[Android General] Wicked4u2c:
Please do, share it with everyone... I'm working on editing part 2.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Android General] Trcx:
Very nice video. While I could content that most of your complaints with iOS can be fixed through jailbreaking, you make a good point about not needing to root your phone to customize android to the degree you want. Overall it was a really nicely done video, with many valid points. I never would have though of some of they comparisons, despite the validity of your points. Nice job man. :D
[Android General] bworley50:
Loved the video.
[Android General] Shano56:
Nice vid. that phone is sexy. well both are but one of them is able to be ran the way I like to run it, and the other one is ran like big brother wants me to run it. cuz they know best right?
[Android General] MissionImprobable:
Well done video. I went with a friend to look at iPhones the other day as she was interested and I wanted to crack my own skull. No long press options on apps? No long press option to delete files? No easy clean up of all the homescreen clutter? No, thank you.

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Yeah, I like some of the customization that's finally showing up on iPhone, but having to jailbreak the phone and pay $2-8 on Cydia for widgets that we get for free is not getting it done.
[Android General] Magnus909:
With jailbreaking you end up with things on the lockscreen (like widgets and live wallpapers), not on the homescreen where you want them!

There are many other things that has to do how apps can integrate much deeper with each other in android compared to even a jailbreaked iphone much like shown in the video. The alternate keyboards are another thing that still works better on android and actually pops up when used inside another app compared to the jailbreaked ones.

And there is also another thing to consider. The userbase is much bigger for customised keyboards, homescreens, live wallpapers etc when it is supported out of the box on android.

Since there are only 5-10% jailbreaked iphones, it is a much smaller market which means that less apps and themes o fthat type will be made for that target group.
[Android General] spunker88:
Good video IMO. iOS was revolutionary in 2007 compared to what we had back then. But its been 5 years and I don't think its keeping up. There really haven't been any significant UI features added.

Great point about the icons on the iPad. Back when I first saw screenshots on the iPad 1 I thought it was a prototype. Another thing that looks out of place is the small slide to unlock slider. I couldn't believe they would ship a product with a UI that doesn't look like it was adapted very well to a tablet.
[Android General] icepally:
I enjoyed the watched, going to share, thanks
[Android General] 85gallon:
Well done wicked!!
[Android General] zed011:
Nice video, good job.

With android at least I'm not stuck on the apps screen ;)

Maybe you can post things you can do with iphone that you can't do on android so some people won't think you're extremely one-sided
[Android General] TheSkinnyDrummer:
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[Android General] vetvito:
Cool vid, nice to see valid points. Stuff common people use.
[Android General] Wicked4u2c:
Guys, part 2 is coming out soon (hopefully this week) it will be way better than part 1, stay tuned...
[Android General] ZeroManArmy:
Great series start. The only problem I had with the video was the glare. I believe that you should start over in a darker room and go over each individual feature. Using a script as well. Saying "Um" every couple of words will make the "Genius's" not want to believe you. If performed right, this could end up being a very informal series. Also make sure you show both sides as well. Show what Apple does better than Android. I have used both and they both have good and bad perks. Try to not be biased in any way so that you can minimize the flaming that will happen.
[Android General] mistermentality:
Very informative video but on the youtube feedback you have a viewer saying you are wrong when you said downloading stops if you watch a youtube video. Not sure if they are right but if they are maybe need to correct that, or correct them if they are wrong.

I think what you have is very good and hope to see more on youtube.

It's so much better to see differences in action rather than read through pages of fans from either side claiming things like they do on various sites and forums, very informative.

Dave
[Android General] punisher2008:
Loved the video, hope you finish the series. Was a great reference to my friends who are into the crapple.

Very enlightening and easy to understand what you are talking about. Will defiantly have to share the video to those who say apple is better and one more way of clarifying on how android is better
[Android General] MCMillant:
is this reason why xda have not box for ios developers ?
[Android General] Kiahnlliya:
I'm bookmarking this thread, this is where I'll direct all the people who ask me what's so great about that Android thing. That does happen from time to time, and the question always somehow manages to surprise me or catch me off guard, so I end up making no sense to anyone. It's nice to have a set of videos that demonstrate the power of Andy in an eloquent and down to earth manner.
[Android General] 85gallon:
YouTube is a porn site?:confused:
[Android General] thebobp:
Apparently, according to Mr. selective-tunnel-vision, youtube and any one of numerous video providers that only offer flash are just insignificant "porn sites", but I digress..
[Android General] mistermentality:
Youtube also has a html5 version so it can be used by devices without flash. But lots of sites still use flash that arent porn related.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] Archpope:
Yore doing it wrong

As I was watching the first video, I lost count of how many times I thought "Well there's your problem! If you just wanted to do it Apple's way instead of stubbornly thinking for yourself..."
[Android General] Stevemotto:
Well that's just your opinion. I for one don't want to follow what apple wants me to do because I like the idea of uniqueness.

Sent from my Legend
[Android General] NZed:
I came over this thread many many times and it seemed too long to watch it. Today I did, and I'm really glad I did.
[Android General] ithehappy:
Really gotta lol at some comments made here :o

If ICS is smooth then what's iOS? And what happened to the famous Force Closes, SOD, Reboot, Freeze etc etc of Android? Or are those things Android™? People need ass opened customisation, why? To show off? Hell sure it won't be needed/liked after a certain time, so? What about OS upgrades? Why need millions of apps, and that's free?? When you wake up in morning your iPhone is there to serve you, but is your Droid? Why do you need plenty of phones, if one is made perfect?

I never got these answers and probably never will :cool:

(No fanboy here)

Swyping from my GT-I9100 via Tt
[Android General] adelmundo:
No one is saying that iOS is not smooth, but many people who use iOS state that Android is laggy as one of their arguments as the deficiencies of Android. As far as force closes are concerned, in my experience on my Note, I have only had one FC in the 2 months I have owned it, which is a testament to how much Android has improved from previous versions. iOS does FC, as highlighted in an article I read online which states iOS actually force closes more that Android. I have never had to reboot my phone due to a freeze or lock up as well, and I'm running on a stock (but rooted) ROM. As far as customization, I actually do like it a lot. I have set up my home screens with widgets to the things I use the most so the info is quickly accessible. Pure Messenger is on my main home screen which gives me instant access to Twitter, Facebook, email, and text messages, all without having to open each app separately. My next home screen is a calender widget so I know the agenda of my day. Finally my third home screen has a news widget to keep me up to date of the latest news. On iOS, I would have to open several apps just to get this info, while with Android, I just have to look at my home screens. Customization the way I want it. When I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do look at is my phone and it starts working for me right away. A phone should be individual just as people are different. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the big screen and the S-Pen of my phone, but some people don't, hell some people think it's too big. But that is the beauty of Android since their is no perfect phone for everyone. You have to separate the OS from the phone (physical hardware device), just because you have the same OS, doesn't mean you have to have the same phone, the phone hardware can have different physical features but still have the same OS and software. Different screen sizes, slider, hardware keyboard, etc can all coexist while still using the same software. It's surprising that Apple can make many different form factors of computers with OSX (laptops with different screen sizes, different thinness, or desktop and laptops, etc.), but they don't do it with their phones. The one thing I do agree with you on is the OS upgrades, but since Google doesn't really control it fully since Android is open source, but by the manufacturers and carriers, but then I don't buy phones based on future potential, I buy my phones based on what it can do now. If an upgrade is released, then that's a bonus. In other words buy on what it has today, not on some unknown future thing you don't even know will come or not.