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[Android General] thebobp:
I actually don't consider the app drawer observation to be biased at all.

The problem is not that your app drawer is cluttered, but that your app drawer is also your homescreen. Which means that your homescreen is cluttered.

Now, you can take the time to rearrange the drawer (in iOS and in Nova Launcher, for example), but that's 1) annoying and time-consuming, and 2) takes away the easy alphabetical ordering of the apps - what if you can't remember where you put them? Having separation of homescreen/drawer allows the drawer to fuffill its main feature of being an orderly list of your apps (used only when you need an unusual one), without having to worry about actually cleaning it up.

The advantage to iOS' approach is that new users don't have to figure out what that dotted button does (indeed, it's probably done to perpetuate their "just works" image), but from literally the second minute on it ends up punishing the user. That such a bargain can even be made is something that, frankly, disappoints me.
[Android General] monkeyluis:
Agreed. With your points.

Maybe not biased, but he could have been a little more fair in explaining.
[Android General] monkeyluis:
When has apple compared other products.

He may want to inform, but he's giving out misinformation. I'm sorry but it still bothers be that he used a different browser & then blamed it on ios. That's unethical & downright dishonest if he's trying to do a PSA here. Does no one else think this? My mind is blown at that.
[Android General] mcord11758:
I am sorry but your report, to me, seams to support the cases made on the video more than dispute

So he is using another browser, why would ios limit the functionality to safari?

You can not see something takes extra steps then say it is not less convenient

his points are about convenance and ease of use. They are all accurate, I see nothing in your points that disproves that. It is not saying ios sucks, just that it does not preform as well

Flyer
[Android General] mcord11758:
I have never noticed this before but now that it has been pointed out it is very noticeable.

Very sneaky trick to deceive the user about the speed of the device

Flyer
[Android General] monkeyluis:
Um, he's blatantly lying. He clearly said he could not click the address to get to maps. What he didn't say was that he was using another browser, yet he's blaming iOS. Seriously, what's ok about that?
[Android General] JeramyEggs:
I think that is because you can use alternate browsers, and do this on android. On ios, you can't. That is a limatation of ios,not the app...
[Android General] monkeyluis:
You can use alternate browsers on ios, there are many of them. If you are in safari & click an address it will take you to maps. He said this couldn't be done on ios, but was using another browser in ios & blamed iOS for not having this functionality. I'm not sure how to explain it any better.
[Android General] stuart0001:
Yes, but this sort of functionality is not available in 3 rd party browsers, unlike Android. That is IOSs fault .
[Android General] monkeyluis:
So shouldn't he have made this distinction?
[Android General] stuart0001:
No reason why not but I doubt it was intentionally not said.

The upshot is that there's no denying IOS is extremely poor in this regard if you want to use anything other than safari and in all honesty, who wouldn't as safari is missing a lit of functionality that others have.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberate by Apple to almost force you to use theirs
[Android General] zanderman112:
This..

iOS works "nice" if you use the default apps, and there's no denying that, but once you try to make the device "yours" you find out apple hasn't prepared for that. Which is why android shines. My phone, is tailored to my needs. No rooting necessary(although I am rooted).

~E.R.A.
[Android General] JeramyEggs:
Whoops......
[Android General] mcord11758:
He mentions he likes using dolphin over safari. His point is valid and true. I did not take it the way you did. I watched the set of videos and heard a user say he prefers dolphIn browser. Then in a later video he displayed how the limitations of ios prevents him from clicking an address and going to maps. He also showed how you can not set a default browser or navigation app. iOS is very limited and apple attempts to force you to use their apps by not allowing third party apps access to certain functions. IMO that was what he was showing. Their was no deception, and your defense is lame, trying to say the video is a lie because he is using a third party app. Well he can use that third party app with android and have the functionality. Kinda the point of the videos
[Android General] monkeyluis:
Alright. Whatever you say. I don't disagree with your point, except for calling me lame, which was unwarranted, but I stand by what I said. He was deceptive. He does it in the other videos. Dropbox for one, again blames it on ios, but there is drop text, notability, quick office, all of which you can edit & upload text files from Dropbox, why can those apps do it, & Dropbox can't, I don't know. Why couldn't he provide this solution, rather than saying it can't be done.

I know there are limitations to ios, I am a user (most of te users can't say te same, therefore really shouldn't comment), but I also know there are plenty of solutions. I'm all about finding solutions for users, & I usually can. It doesn't meant we should criticize one OS just because it may not work for you. They are both great OSes.

Well thanks for your time & comments. I'm not going to keep pointing out some of the faults with the videos, as I said most here are not users of iOS so they don't know what can truly be done or not. Just as I wouldn't go and talk about WP or BB or SYMBIAN.
[Android General] mcord11758:
No offense meant in the use of the word lame, could of worded my response better. You are entitled your opinion, as are we all

Flyer
[Android General] monkeyluis:
It's all good.
[Android General] MissionImprobable:
In that specific case though it is kind of whack that you have to come up with a work around to do what the app does without issue on Android. If it weren't for iOS' limitations this wouldn't be necessary. It does go along with the theme of the videos and really isn't deceptive, no? The features he mentioned with Android don't take a secondary app working in conjunction with a primary one to accomplish the task, i.e. where you previously had to attach pics in the gallery to have them present in an email on iOS. That was just silliness.
[Android General] BleedsOrangeandBlue:
I thought things like this were kind of the point of the videos. Isn't the draw of ios to be that it just works or, as users like to point oUT, is easier than Android?

Either way, I think the disagreements stem from verbiage. Android is more capable of being streamlined or integrated, ios is more straight forward. Being straight forward doesn't necessarily make it easier, and being streamlined doesn't necessarily make it more capable. Having to use extra apps to do the same task is a drawback no matter how you slice it, but if you can deal with that drawback, then reaping the other benefits of using ios over Android may be worth it to you. The notion that either is "better" is pretty worthless, IMO.

I was an iPhone user for four years prior to getting my Android, fwiw. I do enjoy my Android more, but that's because I value the things it does well over the things my iPhones did well.

The idea that there is a universal best answer is silly.
[Android General] xneolithicspx:
Eh its a phone... You know the thing you use to call people

surprise!!

After that its a computer

Both can do the same thing if you can find the right program for it
[Android General] benthe1:
I agree. It is because people like more than one type of thing that we have such great products for a relatively low price. I'm glad there is such competition between Apple and Google. They will push their limit for the best products to get the customer to buy/use their products. Innovation FTW.
[Android General] incubus26jc:
I posted these videos over in the Galaxy S3 forums not knowing you had them here.

I found them on Youtube and had to share them right away. Great videos. I'm going to point anyone who is unsure of what to get here. Thanks again.
[Android General] Phate00:
Do u have one how to root galaxy ace without pc
[Android General] digweed4me:
Wicked4u2c

The next video should be jalibreaking vs rooting and most ios owners dont even know what rooting is and how deep it can go.I am talking about open source code for kernel and what kernel devs can do etc.

anroid bone stock can do way more than jailbroken iphone.
[Android General] TheSniperFan:
Oh my good, yes please. :O

Rooting unleashed the true potential of an Android device. Jailbreaking just enables you to do a little more than you could without.
[Android General] vetvito:
^ nah, a jailbroken iphone is pretty much the same as a rooted android, except for kernels and stuff.
[Android General] zanderman112:
Besides.. *actual* rooting consists of getting Superuser access. Custom roms usually come rooted. But they don't have to.

So as the guy above me states, rooting and jailbreaking are about the same thing. Android just has custom roms/recoveries available to modify even further

~E.R.A.
[Android General] digweed4me:
android kernel are opensource and manufacture has to release source code after they released the device. apple hardware cannot be hacked cause its hard coded and not open source. Can jailbreaken iphone can overclock and underclock cpu ? and all the hardware hack kernel devs does hell no. I can do all the things jailbroken iphone does without rooting my android phone.
[Android General] thebobp:
That's like saying an airplane is pretty much the same thing as a space shuttle, except for going into space and stuff.

Ho'kay, that's not very accurate, but it was the funniest way of putting it. Kernel is more akin to an engine than anything.
[Android General] zanderman112:
That's beide the point..that stuff comes *after* rooting. Ie, you need root in the first place just to be able to do that? Although, most people don't understand this because of all the "One Click" methods out there that do many things at once, so people associate it all with "rooting."

Rooting by definition is "gaining read/write access to the root of the system," that's it. Usually, this means packing a kernel with su binaries, and then installing the superuser app to control su.

Custom roms/kernels do not have to have SU in them. They are separate things, usually combined.

So, in basic terms, simply jailbreaking an iPhone, and simply rooting an android device are the same. Where android takes it a step further, allowing all the custom stuff afterwards.
[Android General] thebobp:
I find this to be a slightly useless distinction. He obviously meant to ask about the comparative possibilities of a jailbroken/rooted device.

That said, a video of this would be hilariously one-sided. But I don't think it really fits with the OP's out-of-the-box theme.
[Android General] digweed4me:
I know all that but u said it takes steps further that means its not the same. IF there was no kernel hacking i wouldnt be rooting my phone, i can do themes and all that without rooting my phone. Tell me one thing that jailbroken iphone can do that my bone stock android cannot do. Thats why its not the same it goes way deeper man.
[Android General] SibawayhDroid:
thanks for the vid
[Android General] vetvito:
What launcher is that is the latest videos? Not Nova, but the one with the Android rings around it?
[Android General] thebobp:
SS Launcher
[Android General] vetvito:
Are you sure, because it doesn't look like it?
[Android General] thebobp:
You're talking about this, right?
[Android General] vetvito:
Nope, I'm talking about this

I think it includes this lock screen

What's the name?
[Android General] DD-Ripper:
I think I saw this theme.....yes..im sure...It is somewhere in Galaxy S2 forum. Sorry mate, dont remember its name.:screwy:

Sent from my GT-i9100 equipped with Grenade Launcher and Remote Explosives :D
[Android General] zanderman112:
I'm pretty sure its Nova or Apex, and the the circle is his wallpaper, and he laid transparent folders on top of the circle.

Lockscreen is probably WidgetLocker with a theme to match that setup.

~E.R.A.
[Android General] DD-Ripper:
No buddy..thats a theme. Search in Galaxy S2 Forum. Its there but I dont remember its name..:/

Sent from my GT-i9100 equipped with Grenade Launcher and Remote Explosives :D
[Android General] vetvito:
Been searching, still can't find it.

.....edit...

Found it, its called Dark Pie UI
[Android General] - Swift -:
I loved every bit of this series Wicked.

Thanks so much for it. And just reading the comments from iOS users was pretty amazing. Comments such as;

"...you changed my view about Android..." and "...thanks to you I've just pre-ordered the Galaxy SIII...".

Where their comments were once biased and had nothing good to say.

(

I'm NOT

implying that Android users are perfect but I like how you changed peoples opinions :D)

Oh, and thanks to you...I did this! :D
[Android General] zanderman112:
No, its not a theme...I know a launcher setup when I see one. Its Nova Launcher + WidgetLocker + a well designed wallpaper. These are the instructions.

Edit: view in browser

http://i.imgur.com/W0h6D.jpg
[Android General] DD-Ripper:
Check out the post by Vetvito. He found it. Its called "Darkpie UI" as he said.

Sent from my GT-i9100 equipped with Grenade Launcher and Remote Explosives :D
[Android General] Zeitraffer:
Wow, damn interesting. Never used Apple stuff yet, probably never will.
[Android General] vetvito:
New video by Wicked4u2c shows a how to for the theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQKjt1LGGT4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thanks bro
[Android General] - Swift -:
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- Swift -, formerly known as IrishStuff09
[Android General] stuart0001:
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/06/google-search-beats-the-crap-out-of-siri-in-1600-question-test/
[Android General] 0anth:
Nice series, enjoyed them all, thanks :)
[Android General] Nikola_r:
Interesting, thanks
[Android General] kwiggington:
Sent from the bar drunk out of my mind
[Android General] r0zj0k3r:
Great

You have put into video form, what I have been trying to post on every single MAC forum. Great info, although I would definitely say you pointed out a lot of iOS flaws and none of android's (which there are a plenty) , which opens this to a lot of flaming.

I however have used both, and wouldn't take an iphone if you gave it to me. (actually I would but I would just sell it and get something else). And again, Great Videos!
[Android General] fwdkiller:
This video is so biased im an apple iphone guy i would take a iphone over android anyday .android has alot of flaws to put it another way android has more flaws then ios, iphones work out of the box with android you have to root it and make a custom rom to make it run correctly with ios u dont have to do a damn thing.every rom has problems too thats why theres over 20 updates for that specific rom to fix one problem after another believe me i flashed my skyrocket 500 times in 2 months.

sent from my new white skyrocket i bought from ebay
[Android General] Hunt3r.j2:
Believe me when I tell you that you could've just bought the original AT&T version with the Exynos and you would've never had these problems.
[Android General] vido.ardes:
You see the irony right? Please tell me your a troll, cause it would be shame if that was actually a coherent thought of yours.
[Android General] DesignGrits:
Heck no dude, I owned 3 different iPhones rooted to the max and after I moved to Android I will never go back. I completely agree with the video, I felt completely locked down. My Android can do a hundred time more things than a iPhone. iphones are just a brand name period.
[Android General] mistermentality:
Well I'm not not on a custom rom nor are my friends because we are on contract phones and yet our androids work fine out of the box.

You are clearly comparing non stock android roms to a stock ios one so of course they will have issues as they are done by unofficial sources who don't always have access to specific official things such as some drivers and don't have a multi million dollar team to help find and fix problems.

Some android devices are rubbish or have issues from the start but this is usually not the cause of the os itself or all androids would have the same problem.

For example in germany the s2 outsold iphone 4s now if android was so bad why would that be the case?

With iphone you need to jailbreak it to use its full potential and even then some things such as full task automation are not possible which androids can do out of the box.

Maybe you can highlight the flaws with stock android you consider so bad, it would help people see why you feel that rather than a generic statement that it has lots of flaws because your custom roms did?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] Nobodys_me:
You don't need a custom rom to customize everything. A he said in the video you don't even need root.

Just download a launcher and you've got a completely new experience.
[Android General] fwdkiller:
Well the keyboard sucks , my loud speaker is blown, little black dots on my screem when i switch my phone off,lagging so much barely unusable at times and the fact that most apps arnt compatible with ics yet. Ios has that advantaged and who wants to install a launcher that crashes alot . Live wallpaper sucks im not gonna stare at a animation all day lol dont get me started with the sdcard cant delete anthing from sd without specail permission or a computer , 2gb data install limit really i can use my whole 64gb plus external hard drive to my 4s and have better battery life. Im just saying i like both os but i just prefer ios more and i own the i777 and s3 except my s3 is dead on arrival it im waiting on a box from samsung or i might go get my back and buy a 4s .

sent from my new white skyrocket i bought from ebay
[Android General] fwdkiller:
Dont tell me u dont need root to all those things cause with out root android would be a close ecosystem too .now u call us sheep well we call you lambs your following samsung too much. Apple has enough money to buy nuclear warheads and blow samsung out to the sea they should becareful cause all they do is copy apple.

sent from my new white skyrocket i bought from ebay
[Android General] Nobodys_me:
Launchers that crash all the time?

dots on screen?

Incompatible apps?

Wow um okay sorry to hear that you are having such a awful Android experience...

But don't forget the good sides of Android :)

I own an iPod touch (jailbreaked iOS 5.1.1) and 3 different android devices made by Acer,Samsung and HTC and i haven't had any issues with any of them.

Its pointless to argue who is copying who. Apple didn't invent the smartphone.

In the end you have to choose what you like better...
[Android General] mistermentality:
If they were a fault of android I would agree yet I have a stock rom, ie unchanged since I bought the phone, and don't have those issues nor had them on my previous android phone.

Keyboards can be changed easily from play store, loud speaker and screen problems are hardware not software issues (ie not androids fault), ios is smoother than android which can lag but usually android only lags when apps are eating up ram and I genuinely haven't seen an android lag to such an extent as I have heard some people say so can't agree it is much worse for smoothness but yes ios is smoother.

The sd card issue I don't know about. I use es file explorer and can delete off sd cards no problem no need for a pc to do so. I can even use standard android gallery to delete pics off sd card for example so this cannot be an android issue maybe specific to a manufacturer?

The two gigabyte limit you mention. Do you mean the download and or app size? Apples limit is two gig and androids is actually four as of earlier this year.

I can use all my sd cards or phones storage just fine no storage restrictions, so again this is probably not an android but a device issue or it should affect my android phone too and it doesn't.

That said I completely understand why you prefer ios, I would too had I had such problems with android phones.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] mistermentality:
Wow, little bit hateful there aren't you....nuke samsung for copying apple? Would that be followed by nuking apple for copying slide to unlock from pre ios phone or notifications from android maybe?

Android does not need root and without root is not closed system at all.

You misunderstand the concept of a closed system, often dubbed a walled garden it refers primarily to a closed source system that has sole control of what can access that system.

Apple is closed source and you must use only apple approved apps unless you jailbreak.

Android lets you use any apps from anywhere and is open source, the antithesis of a closed system.

Please give an example of something android can only do when rooted if you truly believe what you say about needing root.

Most android users don't call ios users isheep, I certainly don't, but your mistaken claims and vehement anger (saying to nuke apples biggest rival) does highlight the die hard "excuse everything" attitude that makes some people believe ios users simply believe all that apple say.

Neither os is perfect, but your belief android needs root is incorrect.

Dave

Edit: for the record I don't follow Samsung or have one of their products so I don't think I'm a "Samsung sheep" :)

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] Nobodys_me:
I totally agree on everything u said Dave :)
[Android General] adoy41:
Apple devices is for a noob tech, they just dont know how to use android
[Android General] monkeyluis:
I use both.
[Android General] Nobodys_me:
No need to get rude... and post unnecessary comments.

Me too :)
[Android General] monkeyluis:
Google play books, and movies and now magazines are not open? Those are closed systems right? Or am I wrong? Can I take my Google play books & movies anywhere?
[Android General] mistermentality:
That's not true, intelligent and technically minded people do use iphones. How do you think they hack and crack it otherwise?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] stuart0001:
edit: nvrmind
[Android General] kwiggington:
Indeed palm now hp has the patent on the smartphone
[Android General] fwdkiller:
App install total size

sent from my new white skyrocket i bought from ebay
[Android General] Nitin985:
I was an apple fan boy till my cousin let me go on his g1 lol. I then saw the cape abilities of Android but still got an apple device. I then heard about the desire and since it was much cheapen that the iphone I bought it and never looked back. Haven't bought an apple device for 2 years and currently have a one x which my friends with iPhones jealous with its possibilities. Not just hardware but software. My diehard apple fanboy cousin has decided he is getting the next nexus because he is tired of the iPhone. Give an apple fanboy 1 week with an android and will most likely never look back
[Android General] fabiotasa2:
I prefer the customization possibilities of android, ios is a very closed system
[Android General] mistermentality:
The app install size is higher for android than ios. It was lower but google changed it this year.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[Android General] fwdkiller:
Really when lmao im out of space of 2gb , move2sd deletes the apps when i do it ,and did i mention i can you the whole 64gigs for apps.

sent from my new white skyrocket i bought from ebay