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[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
I have spent about 2 hours in various stores playing with them. The Tab is much much nicer to hold and look at, but the Xoom was silky smooth.

I assume once ICS gets an official release TW will be stripped out in most ROMs. In the mean time which current ICS is better, the AOSP or the AOKP?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
I have read that before and tried both in both orientations. The Xoom was still smoother even in portrait than the 8.9 was. Doesnt that mean the 8.9 is permanently doomed? I will be using it in Landscape all the time.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Was the Xoom running ICS? I had a Xoom and it had the problem in portrait. Portrait was unusable with android 3.0, it got better with every next version, but the problem was still there with Android 3.2. Dont know about ICS, i sold my Xoom a long time ago.

I'm not sure if the gt8.9 is exactly doomed. I have seen a silky smooth stock ICS launcher on gt8.9, so it certainly is possible to get it to run smoothly and fast. This was on one of the alpha ICS builds we made, unfortunately we could not find out what caused the launcher to become so smooth and it was lost in later builds. Of cource the current ICS build is also a lot better then stock HC.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
The xoom was also running 3.1, same as the tab, because they were store units.

Its a shame that the hardware puts me off the Xoom a little, but the Software puts me off the tab. Im not allowed to use whichever unit i choose to send back, so its going to come down to whether the Xoom appeals when in my hand tomorrow.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Xoom with HC certainly has this problem, try a google search if you don't believe me. Its not as bad as gt8.9, but its there.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Yeah it was certainly there, but much less obvious and i wont be using portrait much anyway. This is the tabs problem, it does it in landscape and its worse.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Yeah, i don't understand why samsung choose to rotate the screen, they must have known about the Tegra 2 limitation.

Its worse on gt8.9 with stock rom, thats probably because their own toutchwiz modifications. Its a lot better with vanilla ICS.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Is it a permanent hardware issue or is the rotation a software thing? Can we undo it?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Its a hardware issue, but like i said, it seems to be possible to overcome it in software. And like someone already said, other third party launchers seem to work just fine.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] gpo1956:
I came from the Asus Transformer 101. I thought all Android tablets were just by nature laggy. I was very surprised to get the 8.9 and find that it was quite smooth compared to the Transformer. After rooting and getting ICS I think that this is about all you can expect from a tablet. Very smooth and very snappy. Very few if any force closes. Needless to say, I am totally sold on the Galaxy Tabs.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] sbeddoesdesign:
I only really notice the lag on the homescreen... Once in apps and stuff it's fine, so it's never been a problem for me. Android users put too much emphasis on the home screens when all they're for is to get you between apps. It's also not that bad anyway, you get used to it. As long as you don't use a live wallpaper you stop noticing it unless you're comparing it to an iPad or a faster tab.

The Xoom is good for speed, yeah, it's one of the few Android tabs out there that runs the OS smoothly. Sad truth is, most Android tabs don't run that well, you rarely see ones which don't have at least a bit of lag on the homescreens. Xoom is one of the better ones for speed, but Galaxy Tabs are far thinner and lighter than anything else, so that's the compromise you've got to choose - lighter and laggier or heavier and faster? Swings and roundabouts.

But yeah, you can speed this tab up with different roms, and it will be updated to ICS soon. For me it's all about this tab's small size (without being as awkwardly small as a 7 inch tab), lightweight build and awesome screen. Xoom performs well but I never liked its form factor or its washed-out screen.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Well i think i will try the Tab and use Overcomes ROM and ADW EX while we wait for Samsung to get ICS out (and the better ROMs that will follow from devs.. ;) ). ADW is familiar, i used it on my S2 until ICS arrived.

Now need to research the best Kernels, as i love overclocking and tweaking.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] varsas:
Indeed with the position of the speakers it appears as though it was designed for landscape. Personally I use it mostly in portrait for reading and surfing, the size is perfect for that use so I would have thought they would have gone for that orientation.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Well im trying to get to grips with it, but its SO SLOW.

Its almost unfit for purpose. Scrollable widgets just judder and seize, FAR worse than any android device ive used before, even the 600mhz single core low end ones. Even ADW EX is a bit sluggish in the drawer. Widgets are basically useless None of the ROMs make much difference, none of the kernels help. Is Honeycomb really that bad? Even the ICS ROMs arent good, but obviously they arent Samsung originals yet..
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] testulous:
Tegra2 isn't so bad, I had a 10.1 and it was great with an optimized ROM. ICS will deliver a much better experience.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] varsas:
I use the Plume widget for twitter and it scrolls smoothly, as do the widgets for gmail and google calendar. I'm using TouchWiz with a static wallpaper and switched off animations; I have used ICS roms with live wallpapers without issue too.

Are you saying it's jerky when scrolling widgets with your finger in continuous contact with the screen?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Seems to be very app dependent.

I use Wizz widgets on my SGS2 and its super smooth. On the tab its very jerky. Tried plume and its much better, still stutters, but its more like widgets on Gingerbread now.

I use Simple RSS Widgets on my SGS2, smooth as expected, but its unusable on the tab, almost no response, when it does it jumps and jerks.

Games seems fine and browsing is much better on a tab than a phone.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Had a play this morning with one of the generic Chinese tabs. It had an 'Allwinner A10' single core A8 cortex CPU and the iPad 2 screen. Was running ICS..

It was FASTER than the Tab 8.9, even with either of the ICS Galaxian-soup ROMs. Have to say im not that impressed with the 8.9 screen either. Honestly the chinese tab is a better unit, if it wasnt for the lack of Bluetooth it would be an easy choice. It was also £100 less than the Tab, even though the Tab is on sale!
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] njbuzz:
Mine has become a bit snappier after rooting.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] dmunjal:
My HP TouchPad with CM9 ICS is faster than my 8.9 running HC.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
The 8.9 is probably the laggiest tegra device ive seen. Lets hope Samsung sort it out with the ICS release.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
I know I just got mine but it really isn't that bad..
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] quangtrungh:
The tab use 3.1 stock rom very lag, I up rom 3.2 overcome 2.3.1 and now it very smooth, you can try
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Already have tried the custom ROMs, its still slow.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
Seems you may be doomed then. Im very happy with this tab after a custom rom and kernel
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Loccy:
ICS made a big difference for me. Am curious that you say nether of the two ICS ROMs seemed to make any difference - on mine it was like chalk and cheese

For me I honestly think the 8.9 form factor is superior to anything else on the market. It really is the Goldilocks effect - everything else is either too big or too small.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] njbuzz:
I am surprised as well. On my touchpad webOS is pretty laggy but with AOKP that thing flys.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Its mostly ok, but any scrolling widgets are useless, ive tried a number of different ones, some are totally useless, others are jittery and slow, but none are smooth. As long as i dont use them its mostly ok. Ive just removed them as they are pointless having.

Its a shame, my SGS2 has slight jitter on Gingerbread, but is smooth as silk on ICS, really its perfect.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
Have you tried over clocking it to 1.2 or 1.4?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Jameslepable:
not buggy or laggy for me on stock 3.2, the browser however leaves alot to be desired.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Mr_Beefy:
I recently bought a Galaxy Tab 8.9 last Thursday and I used it stock for about a day and a half. I then rooted it and installed ICS Galaxian Soup ASOP and for me it was night and day difference between HC and ICS. The tablet got soo much better in my eyes.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
Yeah I just wish the camera worked.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Jameslepable:
Am waiting fornthe camera to work, which should be whenever official ICS for galaxy tab 10.1/8.9 drops whichever is first.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Overclocking makes no difference. Ill just change the way i use it, less like a phone.

We need some more devs i think. More optimised kernels, more refined ROMs. Thats why the SGS2 is so slick now, loads of devs, loads of work done.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
We have a very good kernel dev who has made all our ICS roms possible. Problem is not that we dont have any good devs, problem is that we don't have any ICS leaks. If we had a ICS leak (like the SGS2 has for many months already) im sure we would have everything working. We are still using Android 3.1 kernel (yes, we didnt even have 3.2 source) that is heavily modified to work with ICS, so i think we have actually had to work a lot harder to get this far...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Not saying the devs are bad! More shares the knowledge, they learn from each other and progress is made faster as a result.

I think we need more Governers and i/o schedulers. Just installed Voltage control and changed the I/O sched to noop (from Deadline), thats helped a bit.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Making progress..

Voltage control.. Set Governor to Interactive. Set I/O to noop

SetCPU.. Set sample time to 50,000, set go maxspeed load to 70.

The set CPU values are similar to what i use on my SGS2 and that is very smooth (hits 4900 in quadrant for example).

Widgets are now much more responsive. Im sure it will effect battery life, but we will see.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Loccy:
That is interesting - you are aware that both the ICS ROMs advise you to use the interactive governor?

That may well have been contributing to your issues...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
With Galaxian-Soup rom it is set to interactive by default.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
With on demand..its running great for me. Also battery is great. 46% after 15 hours.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Interactive or ondemand make little difference really, im just forcing Interactive to make sure it actually stays.

The biggest gain is from noop and my CPU threshold changes. Would be nice if we had a few more settings to chose from. On my SGS2 running Siyah kernel i have the Extweaks apps that allows loads and loads of settings to be changed. Maybe SmartassV2 could be added, since its a modded, optimised Interactive.

Can the GPU be tweaked independently of the CPU as it can on the Exynos?

I will say the tab is running much better now generally, but scrolling widgets are still very poor in either orientation.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Interesting findings:

Nemus Launcher is smooth for everything, scrolling, drawer and widget scrolling. Its rather plain and a bit ugly though. Looks like Cupcake..

ADW EX is smooth at scrolling and in the drawer, but widgets are very jerky.

360 Launcher is sluggish and jerky everywhere.

Go Launcher EX is a little slower than ADW generally.

Go Launcher HD is slightly sluggish in the home screen, but the drawer is smooth and widgets are fairly smooth as well. Decent looking and good features mean its my choice right now. Its quite new so speed may improve.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
Stock ics 4 launcher is fine..no lag on anything
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
No it isnt. Compared to other devices running ICS its not even close.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
Whatever dude. You sound like some of the windows phone users lol.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
The point is that on the 8.9 it lags and micro-stutters. If you think its 'smooth' you havent used an SGS2 thats for sure.

Its now acceptable and much searching and testing has resulted in Widgets that do actually scroll in a fluid way.Its not perfect, but good enough for now.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] knipp21:
I have used one. And its no big deal. Since ics..I haven't had any studdering in Widgets
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
Well for me the difference is like night and day. Im hoping Samsungs ICS ROM will fix the problem.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Gizmo123:
I would like to discuss about this in more detail. What exactly will be needed to make landscape smooth as portrait on this tab? I'm mainly talking about ICS roms that are available to us at the moment. Will the new kernel for ICS contribute in any way to make this happen? I just love how smooth portrait is, but i would very much like to have it the other way around, so the landscape is smoother. Someone shed some light about this.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Theoretically it is possible. You could unrotate the screen and this will make it smooth in landscape. This is very easy actually, you only need to remove one line from build.prop. The problem is that then you will need to rotate touchscreen and some sensors to match screen orientation. Thats the hard part, if you have the knowledge to do this, then please feel free to try.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Gizmo123:
Unfortunately I don't, so i'm hoping someone with the required knowledge will experiment with this. After all, smoothness should be one of the top priorities.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
I think it depends how complete the sources Samsung release are. On some devices its easy, on others almost impossible.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] turajo:
I confirm that since i have flashed my galaxy tab with a AOKP ROM, it's seems very fast compare to Samsung rom
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] rovex:
I agree it's better with all the custom ROMs, but there is still a long way to go before it's smooth.
[Verizon Droid Charge] luis86dr:
Anyone can recommend any good screen protectors at a good price? I don't mind paying extra for good quality. The verizon ones blow. Makes the screen look VERY pixelated. Trying to avoid purchasing a screen protecter like that.
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
Try searching the accessories forum about it, there are more than a few posts here about screen protectors
[Verizon Droid Charge] Cryptrix:
Zagg Invisible Shield

Yes you should make a search through the forum next time but since this thread is already up..

I highly recommend a ZAGG Invisible Shield screen protector. It costs a little more but its absolutely worth it. They have a model for each specific phone so the protector molds around the camera and corners perfectly. It comes with a whole method of putting it on so its smooth when you finish. Plus if you register the screen protector on their website you can pretty much get a replacement for free if anything happens to the protector which isn't likely but still (too scratched to see the screen or something), plus if that happens it peels right off so you can put another one on and the screen is good as new. But its pretty epically scratch resistant, you can check out vids on youtube or their website. I can't stand when my screens get scratched, so I've been using it for years, very happy customer. They sell them at best buy.
[Verizon Droid Charge] luis86dr:
Thanks for heads up guys. Much appreciated
[Verizon Droid Charge] kvswim:
The Charge has Gorilla Glass and is very hard to scratch. Most of us recommend keeping it bare as a screen protector, no matter the quality, detracts from the picture quality slightly.
[Verizon Droid Charge] wolverine38812:
Use Skinomi, its a pain to put on but its the best and the clearest one I have ever used
[Verizon Droid Charge] davwman:
Skinomi. Best I've used.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Tazer2death:
http://www.amazon.com/Halo-Screen-Protector-Invisible-Samsung/dp/B0054ENBBM/ref=pd_cp_cps_0

These. They have great reviews. I am very happy with mine. Doing it's job well since July 2011. And it comes in a pack of 3 in case you mess up. And it comes with installation instructions. And, for giving them a good review, they offered to send me a pack of screen protectors free. So I got a pack of iPhone covers for my parents. Great company, great product :D

BTW if you mess up, soaking it in rubbing alcohol works great for removing dust and then you just try again and squeegee with a credit card.
[Verizon Droid Charge] jager420:
Never knew that...it doesnt show that on specs:confused:
[Verizon Droid Charge] dmwagner:
It doesn't have gorilla glass. Saw it mentioned in a review.
[Verizon Droid Charge] JihadSquad:
It does have gorilla glass. When the phone originally came out it was on corninggorillaglass.com under products with gorilla glass. Now since it is old news it is off the site, but seeing as every major samsung phone is there like the GS, GSII, note, tab, and wp phones, I am sure the charge has it.
[Verizon Droid Charge] DirgeExtinction:
I do believe it does. I've had mine "naked" since I got it and no scratches.
[Verizon Droid Charge] buhohitr:
Without screen protector, you droid Charge will get scratch. Already happened to my daughter's phone.
[Verizon Droid Charge] shrike1978:
I have never managed to scratch a smartphone screen, Gorilla Glass or not, and I've had smartphones since the original iPhone. I hate screen protectors of all forms. I hate the way the look and the way they feel, so I've never used one for more than a few days. I don't think I'm particularly "gentle" on a phone...the only thing special I do is keep it in a pocket by itself. I've seen other people's phone of various builds covered in scratches, and I still don't understand how they get so scratched up.
[Verizon Droid Charge] buhohitr:
Not true! my daughter kept her phone in a pocket book full of car keys, pens and jeweries and she scratched it.
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
Doesn't matter what type of glass it has, it can get scratched. And not having a screen protector doesn't mean it will get scratched either. The Charge does have Gorilla Glass, but I wouldn't go around testing it out to see how tough it is. Odds are there are minimum hardness specs that it needs to pass, so some pieces of glass are harder than others.
[Verizon Droid Charge] pizzle11:
I had mine in my pocket with keys for a year, no scratches. the plastic is scratched to heck, but the glass remains unscathed.
[Verizon Droid Charge] blarrick:
the charge has gorilla glass making it very scratch/crack resistant. i havent had a screen protector the whole time ive had it, which is about 10 months and it still looks brand new. and trust me, ive dropped it my fair share of times, infact i just dropped it earlier today. had it in my sweater pocket while i was riding my bike and it just flat out fell screen first onto the concrete. not even 1 little scratch.

just dont bother with a screen protector, it looks so much better without one.

but if you really are hell bent on getting a screen protector i can recommend Zagg, i had the enV Touch before this phone for 2 years with a Zagg invishield on the whole time. it kinda got that "rainbow" effect from the grease/sweat on your hands but it was very durable and scratch resistant with a nice fit. overall a perfect screen protector for my needs.
[Verizon Droid Charge] buhohitr:
So everyone brag about how tough the screen on the charge, how would you explain to me there are 3 scratches on my daughter phone, which forced me to buy a screen protector???? you all claimed it "UN SCRATCHABLE".
[Verizon Droid Charge] shrike1978:
I think you're the only person who's used the word unscratchable, but I did imply that you have to be careless to scratch a glass smartphone screen. Keeping my phone in a pocket by itself, and no other protections, has protected my screens without a screen protector since the original iPhone in 2007. Yes, there are situations where a screen protector would make sense, but in those situations, I'd probably rather use a case/holster that completely covered the screen.
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
Females in general are probably more likely to scratch a screen than males. Where does the phone usually go? In the purse. Does it get put there gently? In most cases, probably not, it gets thrown in with a ton of other stuff and shakes around with keys and all sorts of other stuff, just waiting to scratch the screen. Guys on the other hand, put it in their pocket. What is likely to be in the pocket that can scratch the screen? Loose change or keys, and odds are that most put their phone in the pocket without anything metal.

Also, no one said the screen is "unscratchable", just less likely to scratch compared to regular glass/plastic. You can't make anything completely scratch resistant, but I'm sure if you wanted to add a couple hundred $$ to the price tag, you could get more scratch resistant than what is on there now.
[Verizon Droid Charge] ronot:
The phone does not have gorilla glass, it was supposedto but it got pulled at the last minute. Ask Samsung they should know. As for screen protector catgut and skinomi are good.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Son of Cicero:
I disagree with your conclusion. I’ve never known of a female packing her purse to the point that there is no space for objects to "give" when pressed together. Pants pockets offer much less space, and in my experience, this tighter space is a major factor in any scratching incident. It's the inadvertent "scrapes" in tight spaces that cause the scratching, as opposed to the lighter but more frequent contact that occurs when the phone is regularly stored alongside metal objects in a looser space. I've never gotten a scratch from storing my phone and keys in a looser jacket or coat pocket, but I've ruined several screen protectors by forgetting which pants pocket my keys were in before stuffing my phone into the same tight space.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] coled91:
I have been running the Petes nightly rom for a couple months now and have been loving it. However last night something really strange happened. I was watching tv and turned my screen on to unlock the phone and when I did I noticed about 3 force close messages and I never get fc. I tried to open other apps and almost all of them force closed. I rebooted the phone and same thing. I rebooted into recovery and chose the fix permissions option and when I rebooted it seemed better at first besides a few apps still fc. Then I noticed that all my homescreens were deleted except my default one which still had my app folders on it. I am running francos kernel with the updater. I have been on milestone 2 for about a week now and hadnt had any issues. It's almost like I did a wipe data on the phone because I had to sign back in to certain apps as well. Any idea for what could have happened? The only changes I made to the phone yesterday was updating 3 apps and I used the settings in francos updater to drop all the voltages down 25mv but I don't see how either could have done anything.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geek4u86:
ok i have a box full of evos left over, my 3d i just broke the screen so i was gonna use a extra but there stuck in bootloops theis one has

hboot 2.16.0001

supersonic evt2-3 shis-on

radio 2.15.00.05.02

mar 08 2011

its stuck in loop[ and i cant get to recovery, i can go to the bootloader but nothing past that either way... is there a update.zip i can use or something??? its not rooted and dont remember what this one was in the box for but i do know a rom was tryed to be installed with s-on