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[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] palmdoc:
I'd rather be patient and have a stable ICS than a rush job. Currently my rooted 7.7 with ADW Launcher and Gesturecontrol is smooth enough.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] wintermute000:
Its as much Goog's fault as sammy's IMO. They should have given the manufacturers earlier access to ICS code as well as not been rushing out ICS so quickly + given firm timetables. For complex devices like this the code is usually finalised months in advance and you want to keep the last minute changes to an absolute minimum. Without early access to ICS and timetables its impossible to plan hence I'm sure from an engineering perspective it would have been nigh on impossible to have pushed this device out with ICS. For example how long and drawn out has the Win8 release been and we're still months away from formal release, yet various test builds are out - even general public access - and you can bet the big OEMs get this stuff even sooner and will have the RTM months before production lines actually start rolling.

The bit I'm confused about is how google saw the exact same issue with gingerbread yet repeated the same goddamned mistake. Its evident that they are a software company and are learning the hardware game the hard way. (insert fruit comparisons here)

for the record I'm not a dev (router guy actually) but I completely understand the way these things work in the industry and as much as sammy needs to pull their finger out to support what is, spec wise, one of their flagships, they and other manufacturers have been given a raw deal by Goog
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Jyveafk:
I'm wondering with Jellybean most likely just around the corner, (google IO announcement I'm sure), that they're holding back a bit? Wait until JB's released then update all the devices at once perhaps.

Does concern me that Samsung, with all it's resources, isn't able to allocate more time to these devices.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Alcibiade:
Glad i didn't buy the 7.7

I really wanted it badly but decided t purchase it when the ICS upgrade is out

And now I think Ill wait for a Quad core version of the 7.7 unless ICS comes really quickly out

Samsung is really disappointing on his and the lack of devs (Because Samsung hasn't released a US GSM version...) is not helping

I can't believe suc an outstanding product success has been spoiled by a flawed marketing strategy and flawed software upgrade plans
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] poisike:
Personal experience. I have used GT8.9 with ICS AOSP rom for over two months now and i can tell you the difference is night and day compared to the stock HC. Actually I'm thinking about selling my gt7.7 because HC is not usable for me after using ICS.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
GO Launcher HD speeds up the 7.7 considerably. It doesn't have the neat bells and whistles that ADW Ex has, but it runs smoother from what I've seen.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ascariss:
Looking at videos and tests of the new galaxy tab 2 (7 and 10.1), and these units are pre production, they run faster and smoother than current HC galaxy tabs.

I was going to get the 8.9, but after testing the LTE verson here, it was ridiculously slow and it had the 1.5ghz cpu not 1.0 from the tegra. Oddly enough I am not sure why the 8.9 line was not redone for the new tab 2, maybe it was not selling that well?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Maverick777:
Are you using Touchwhiz or a custom launcher?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] poisike:
I'm using the stock launcher. I just don't like any of the third party launchers (yes, i have tried). I can live with the stock launcher on gt7.7, its actually faster then the stock launcher on 8.9. But i can't stand the stock browser, if i need to swype at least three times to get back to top of the page here on xda then something must be very wrong. With ICS i swype just once and immediately I'm back at top, its crazy fast compared to HC browser. So at the moment I'm using my gt8.9 (with ICS rom) as a tablet and the gt7.7 as a phone. And its not actually good as a phone either, so its basically useless for me at the moment. So either i need to get ICS running on it or I'm going to sell it. I can't wait until Samsung finally decides to release ICS for it, it seems this won't happen anytime soon
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Maverick777:
Try Onskreen browser. It's pretty awesome. Or Dolphin HD if you want something free.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Josvaz:
Sigh! I recieve ICS for my Tf101G today already where my samsung's!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Raptor1956:
Not to worry, I have it on good authority from folks here and elsewhere that we should stop complaining about the slow OS updates relative to iOS. There is no need to worry about when or if you will get the latest Android update!

Of course the folks that say that annoy the hell out of me! :(

Brian
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] teiglin:
I thought this was the new iPad forum. Am I doing it right?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Raptor1956:
No, you are definitely doing it wrong -- definitely! :)

Brian
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ascariss:
Well hopefully they will release it this april since HC on the 7.7 is now that best.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] edwinpang:
Ya, I think April is the deadline
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] maysider:
If Samsung lingers for much, next time I will consider any another manufacturer.... :(
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Paten:
This is why I haven't bought one of these yet. I got burned waiting for Gingerbread on my original T-mobile Galaxy Tab, which they never released. I want a 7" ICS tablet and I won't buy a new tablet with only the promise of an update. I won't be their sucker again. If Samsung can't get their act together before it comes out, I'll probably get a Google Nexus Tablet if it's spec'd well enough.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] ascariss:
Actually there is a promise of an update from samsung

http://www.gforgames.com/gadgets/ic...axy-tab-7-77-89-galaxy-tab-101-receive-19010/

http://www.facebook.com/notes/samsu...ch-upgrade-for-galaxy-devices/328795820483403

hopefully my wifi 7.7 will also be part of the update.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Paten:
Actually, their promise doesn't mean anything to me.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] truenoob:
This the only reason why I'm holding off buying one as well. I really want ICS on my tablet.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
Looking at how things are currently going, Id say we will be lucky to get ICS this July.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] furius:
If we have to wait until july, sure I'll never buy a samsung device!

This is the samsung tablet with highest specs to date, I really hope we will get ICS soon :confused:
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] emprize:
when the day samsung use the word "this year" in march, u shouldn't have too high expectation, if the ics really come that soon, i cant think any reason why a marketing team will use the word "this year" while this year still have 9 months remaining
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] acc_kareemomar:
Signd
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] manu68fr:
signed
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] GOF007:
I wonder whats the problem....

HC is working perfectly here, I see no immediate need for ICS at all.

Yeah, update and more features are nice but is it that serious?

Some of you made it sound like the 7.7 is broken with HC.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] daigled:
Isn't it?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] snookerdog89:
Mine is running quite happily HC right now, rooted and with Go Launcher HD on top. It's just that most of the apps I purchased from the Play Shop while I had my previous slate - a XOOM running ICS - don't show up on the Tab 7.7 and refuse to start at all. Call me a n00b but I dare say the lack of ICS is the culprit here since the Tab 7.7 has more potent hardware than the XOOM. That's the only reason I want ICS these days, so I can enjoy the apps I paid for on my current gizmo.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] boelze:
HC works on the 7.7 as ****ty as it does on any other device. It is a really slow and buggy os. Thinking of the hardware resources available on the 7.7 this IS kind of a "broken" device when running HC. Even my 2 years old htc desire is WAY faster than my 7.7.

It is just that we paid alot of money for something where a really, really needed update was promised but not delivered yet. When I bought mine I was promised to get ICS in Q2 2012. Now I read Q3 everywhere which could be anything to september.

I can understand why some people are pissed off by that fact, I am one of them.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] maysider:
yes....laggy, browser crashing.....many apps crashing...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] thommygay24:
I 100% agree!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] palmdoc:
Forgive my ignorance but what's HC?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gam3r 4 Life:
Honeycomb. Android 3
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] acid123:
I don't really find it laggy and so far have only had 2 crashes with the browser but my transformer has also suffered from the same crash cause by having too many tabs opened,

With stock tw launcher I only have a single windows with just the calendar and clock widget running no issue of lag,

But do miss having a live wallpaper
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] curiousmurf:
Agreed. My original SGT P1000 run faster with many more apps installed.

For those who think this tablet works ok that's probably because you don't have anything similar in spec to compare it to.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] acid123:
I compared it to the few android tablets I have owned and it suits me fine,

Only thing I would get rid of his TW and that's about it
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] GOF007:
There must be something wrong with your 7.7 (or mine).

My 7.7 run a lot better than 7.0.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] wintermute000:
Ditto difference with stock og 7 is night and day
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Richdog:
Im pretty damn disgusted with Samsung at the moment over this complete lack of ICS update, or even informationon when the ICS update will come.

This was one of their premium new generation devices, and the software on it is distinctly last generation. The fundamental hardware is essentially the same as a Galaxy S II / Note, so I really don't think it would have killed them to work the 7.7 into the upgrade plans a little sooner.

This is the last time I buy a device from Samsung that I know for sure is not going to be a well-selling model and thus well-supported by both Samsung and the modding community.

A very disgruntled 7.7 owner.

Let me be the first one to say that this post is nothing short of monumentally lame. of course people who ordered a premium device are going to be bothered about a lack of update for said premium device. As for telling us there are other things to enjoy in life, or more tellingly comparing first and third world problems... that is usually the last resort of someone who has nothing worthwhile to add to a conversation whatsoever (which you clearly didn't), or more likely a troll just looking to get a few bites on the proverbial hook. If you aren't bothered by the lack of update then fine, but allow the rest of us the freedom to express our views and frustrations as we like. That's part of what forums are for. ;)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] paqbro:
Agree to above.

The device is nice and works ok.

But it's a bit strange to see there are tablets for sale for about 90 euro's including ICS. It must not be too hard or expensive to implement the newest firmware I think.

I'm not waiting for ICS, but it would be nice to receive it finaly.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] baduus:
See, that's the thing... Comparing this premium device to most other android tablets is setting the bar too low.

I compare it to my Galaxy S II, which is rock solid, smooth as butter, multitasks like a champ and has a blazing fast browser. I don't think it's too much to ask for a similar experience on the Tab 7.7, but right now the performance of the tab is no where near that of the S II.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] gingerdude:
I have both an 6800 and hp touchpad running cm9 and although the 6800 is by far the better tech, the touchpad feels more polished and def runs faster at the moment, so i think ics would def make a big improvement to the 6800. P.s got a galaxy s III today... very pleased so far :D
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] aletheus:
The toshiba excite is not hd res. I'm sure this is the better device. I think amoled technology is going to take a while to sink in. The introduction of oled tv's this year will get people more interested in amoled tablets. Apparently a niche market, the p6800, if they'd included the wacom digitizer and s-pen, it'd be a true, first-class production device.... but alas, cost-benedit weighs out...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] wintermute000:
The source code is available but its HC source, also, its the drivers thats killing us.

If we had hardware driver source we would have had custom ICS working by now.

Now that our only ICS dev has broken his tab unfortunately, we might be in a hilarious situation where we probably have to flash back to stock just for ICS, instead XDA lol
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] KuRi:
Not hd-res? The toshiba excite 7.7 has the same resolution as the galaxy tab 7.7, with ICS, and they say that it will come with a very high screen quality similar to samsung's one.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Oleander:
Actually, not updating their software might be equal to missed sales.

I for one am waiting for ICS before buying. I have the SGT 7 v.1 and have looked at the 7.7 as an upgrade for a long time. Won't buy it as long as it's running HC.

Being from EU I've seen too many of my phones not seeing the love from the manufacturers or from XDA, so my current phone is a Galaxy Nexus and if Google does the same for a tablet I will choose that over it's feature spec....
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] kidd78:
It takes the p*** that I brought a cheap tablet Sumvision 7" for under £80 and it comes with ICS. Yes I know its not gonna be fast but its a cheap alternative. Plus my son can play with it without damaging my precious 7.7!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] questionmark:
Yes sure Android source is available even build it from locerra info in the DEV thread.It's very close and as you say it is the drivers that kill us here. Go an figure out why DEV could make wifi work but somehow it require you to be at 1meter of the AP! Some sorts of WIFI power saving what ever... So without INFO of some sort from Mr Samsung nothing will happen...

See, this is exactly why I'm so annoyed at Samsumg. If they would ever read some of the DEV thread the effort of those people trying to figure out how to make it work FOR there products fore THERE customer , a good heart people at Samsung could not let it go this way... a bit help common!

It looks like making custom ROM and hack for TAB 7.7 are as sensible as hacking SAT PAY TV, something wrong, something illegal but there are leaks even in this area! What the problem with there drivers?? what so sensible about it? What are they affraid about? Ignoring people is the worth they can do and they do.

Also what about the people that bought it and cannot read it because of font issue ( not my problem though).

I wanted to complain at samsung in the Netherland but there site as no place for this only a telephone line at 10 EURO cts... I never received updates in NL... all this is annoying me. Yet still enjoy VERY much the device... If I would not I would not bother to complain.. I bought it because its is fun, because people are doing custom ROMs but for 7.7 we are quite alone...

Also it is not a matter of premium or not device to me ... When TAB 10.1 came out it made a lot of noise, then 8.9 those people are now waiting longer than the 7.7 people (including me as I have all 3)...though they have usable custom ROMS but no CAMERA... some people don't care about camera but it is part of the deal.

So all this makes me regret a LOT to have given #1200 EUR to samsung. I ain't not buying any longer a 4 device how much cool it could be... as we say never 203 .

I'm placing some hopes in the petition :) if someone can tell me were I can complain for free for the sake of it to samsung using email or a link I would appreciate to tell them they just lost a customer.

Now I'm not totally hopeless I'm sure it will come at some point right?

The real problem is that I really love the TAB 7.7 and it is true I'm even satisfied the way it works but I need ICS for an issue with ITAP RD and right click mouse not working because of HC 3.2 TW , Itap support were really great by the way.

OK I stop complaining :)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] UrbanConquest:
No, I'm not trolling at all, just sharing my perspective on the whole "Android fragmentation debacle ". I'm grateful for my tablet whether it has ICS or not. I can't see a point in dragging myself to a thread everyday to complain, etc. Who exactly says you're entitled to software updates when you buy a piece of technology? Now I shared how I just got an update for my Galaxy Nexus. For 6 months I waited for an update that was mostly bug fixes, which to me is unacceptable, granted these bugs didn't hinder my everyday usage whatsoever (likely other users). Yet, we feel entitled to an update to ICS that adds features, revamps the UI, etc...The update has been promised by Samsung, there is no news, what more is there to say on the topic?

Premium? Is that like I bought the super expensive, loaded model sedan last year and expect my product to still get priority support when they're is a whole slew of new cars currently being release and developed? The OS version fragmentation issue that spans across hundreds of Android devices is and will continue to be a constant battle for Google and it's partners.

I will admit that I believe that every device should be entitled to at least one "major" update of Android (ICS being the Tab 7.7s), but the reality is that it doesn't seem feasible for all legacy hardware to get the latest and greatest version of Android through OEM channels, hence the value of the XDA forums bringing us homebaked projects. There's inevitably going to be a time when customers have to put the pitchforks down and be satisfied with what they have because the only alternative solutions is to turn to the development community (which at times requires just as much patience). I'm sure Samsung and many other handset and tablet manufacturers know damn well they can't get the latest build versions of Android out the door to customers quick enough; they don't need to read some silly petition signed by 500 hardcore owners of one of their particular products.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] funkyblue04:
Its hardly silly. It's a premium product and should be looked after. There is not even a successor model. No other tablet on the market right now has an AMOLED screen. Samsung is poor with updates. Look at Asus much faster.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] kable:
Well said my friend, Well said.

I wish this forum had more mod activity so that useless threads like this were locked.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] GaresTaylan:
I didnt get the impression that the posts in this thread are comparing the lack of an OS update to world hunger or anything similar. :confused:

Wouldnt complaining about the people complaining in this thread be considered just as feeble?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] phigmeta:
LOL well done ... well done
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Richdog:
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You REALLY can't see why people are disgruntled, or want to complain? REALLY? Then I question a) your intelligence, and b) your basic grasp of psychology. As for dragging yourself to a thread every day... yeah, it's a forum, people do the same thing for equally pointless things all day every day on a thousands of forums around the world. No more needs to be said.

Yes, premium. Premium means that for it's category and nature, you buy a premium example of that device. One in the upper price bracket.

Premium (definition): a sum above the nominal or par value of a thing.

So yes, premium. Clearer now. ;)

Archos, a crappy French company who peddles cheap plasticky tablets with a miniscule R&D budget compared to Samsung, the epitome of "nominal" or "par" value, has updated almost all of its tablets already.

As for the car analogy... a car like the Sedan does not get upgraded by the manufacturer after you buy it. It does not rely on an OS to perform it's primary functions. It is thus a stupid analogy.

Ahh... so it doesn't seem "feasible" for a tablet that shares the same hardware as two other devices that have ALREADY been updated to ICS, and that came out less than 6 months ago, to get the upgrade? If that's "not feasible" then i'm surprised you've left the house in the last 6 months, life must be awfully low on realistic possibilities.

Your post is really beyond stupid in all its logic. If you dont care about the update, or dont like reading about people caring about the update, then just press the back button or unsubscribe form the thread. Staying here to complain about the people complaining about it is the kind of loserish thing that people do when they REALLY have nothing better to do. Like you said earlier... go outside, or put your energy into caring about something more worthwhile. or don't you practise what you preach? Ahh, that would be called hypocrisy then. ;)

...or useless posts like yours removed. I'm sure the irony is completely lost on you though. ;)

Ultimately, this is a thread specifically talking about when ICS will come, it is by its nature designed to keep talk about this in one place as opposed to other threads, and moderators like that kind of thing. Lets just accept it, or if not, move on.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Spewy1:
Well said that man!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] questionmark:
As for the psychology, I feel in currently in a virtual JAIL and 3 times now for the TAB 10.1, 8.9 and 7.7 and surely I put in myself in it... I was dreaming to believe the whole stuff was "OPEN" when I got 8.9 I was pleased to see how well DEV did with ICS port yet still waiting for CAMERA...but did you think they leaked anything on it....nop... Ok big deal its just the camera.

And when TAB 7.7 was announced seeing review I told to my self I will not buy it first lets wait ICS on 8.9...When I saw in real the device you know what happen, the HW being gorgeous I took it... and somehow hoped because it is new, premium maybe something would happen soon...

And now here we are. Only one DEV on CM9 busy at his own time try to figure this totally "closed" cool device.

So I feel in JAIL with it and though with android it is the freedom of an open system. That Google or Samsung as to do something with it or not or both I don't care. The system at least on TAB 7.7 is closed as closed as you know who, as premium as you know who...

Now I say I never buy any longer samsung, surely the HW is something I might consider but this story again NOT a BIG deal after all worries me...

it's just I was naive, that's about it and that's not a nice feeling hence the reason to be there just telling my story to who ever wants to read it.

So when will the virtual liberation come for someone so naive that spend EUR 450+ EUR 490 + EUR #540?

It amazes me to see how well win7 could run on older PC.

It amazed me to see how NASA could keep getting better instruments doing update at millions of miles on VOYAGER decade after...

Yea we are not talking here about NASA neither MS just an hardware manufacturer that like to toy with SW from others and like to customize it....and wonder if it is not to close it...

HW needs updates, and they need a minimum of life expectancy (2 years) and that is low IMO... Why should I get a TAB with ICs now with all those TABS I own that soon will become obsolete escpecially without SW updates?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] lucid:
It get's worse. My belief is NO official ICS is coming for the Tab 7.7 (GSM/3G) version

EVER. According to their own website, they will only do the verizon one.. (LTE)

That means I''m screwed beyond belief, as it's a trick to say ICS is coming and only doing it for LTE model.