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[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
At what and according to who? Samsung doesn't hold a patent on AMOLED and if it were truly the "best" in every regard there's nothing stopping anyone else from manufacturing the panels also. As the technology advances I agree it has far more potential than LCD but we’re talking about the phones in our hands.

Here's some facts from Wiki:

It's not as bright as a similar LCD panel.

"An OLED display works without a backlight. Thus, it can display deep black levels and can be thinner and lighter than a liquid crystal display (LCD). In low ambient light conditions such as a dark room an OLED screen can achieve a higher contrast ratio than an LCD. Due to its low thermal conductivity, an OLED typically emits less light per area than an inorganic LED."

Color Balance and Deterioration Over Time

"The OLED material used to produce blue light degrades significantly more rapidly than the materials that produce other colors, blue light output will decrease relative to the other colors of light. This variation in the differential color output will change the color balance of the display and is much more noticeable than a decrease in overall luminance. External quantum efficiency values of 20% and 19% have been reported for red (625 nm) and green (530 nm) diodes, respectively. However, blue diodes (430 nm) have only been able to achieve maximum external quantum efficiencies in the range of 4% to 6%."

Power Efficiency over LCD is only on Dark Colors (which is why TW is black)

"An OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image which is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD: however it can use over three times as much power to display an image with a white background such as a document or website.This can lead to reduced real-world battery life in mobile devices when white backgrounds are used."

I had a SGS2 for eleven months and picked up quite a bit from their forum.

- There are packaging issues with SAMOLED. In the case of the SGS2 every phone had a border on the left 1/4 of the display that showed up as yellow on grey backgrounds. Samsung never explained it but the consensus is there's some time of interference from the internals.

- There are wide swings in color temperature between panels varying from hardly noticeable to the phone being unusable. HTC's got some issues with their LCD panels but not to the degree Samsung does with SAMOLED.

Bottom line is AMOLED's a fine technology. I had no issues personally with my SGS2 (other than the banding which didn't bother me). But, like LCD, it's not perfect. I'm getting a SGS3 to decide between it and the One X. For me, the One X display is as close to perfect as I've seen on a mobile device. If the SGS3's isn't equally as good (under all conditions) there's no question I'm keeping the One X.

Also, after eleven months living in the darkness of TW, I like the lighter colors and more contemporary look of Sense.

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Link?
[HTC One X] goonx:
You know........ it costs millions of dollars to set-up an OLED plant. Samsung may not hold patents on OLED (not sure if what you're saying is even true) but they do hold patents on the manufacturing process and that's the trickiest part of production. As you already alluded to a bad manufacturing process will cause you more headaches than profit. Moreover, you're also competing with samsung and LG (two largest panel makers in the world). The panel industry is pretty cut-throat and that's why sony recently got out of it (samsung sells all the sony LCD panels now and yes... the HTC One X SLCD is made by samsung). Once LG gets their plant in full production maybe we'll see an interesting battle in OLED technology.

And yes.... more companies are trying to make OLED screens. http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/14/panasonic-sony-purportedly-entering-into-oled-tv-team-up/

What i'm saying is the samoled screen is better than lcd in phones in our hands. that's my personal opinion and you can disagree with it.
[HTC One X] fuzzifikation:
thanks. let me.

you base your point on 'no one else can do it other than Samsung. They can produce it and won't sell to anyone else, therefore AMOLED is best'. Would that cover part of your argument?

I grant you part of that. BUT how about manufacturing costs? I bet (working in a mass production industry) that AMOLED is cheaper to produce. And that's the one and only reason Samsung uses it for a phone with 9 million pre-orders. Well. . that and of course that most people don't care.

In mass production industries, fractions of cents per device multiply to huge revenues.

Let's face it. AMOLED is cheaper. There's your reason Samsung uses it.

My point (same as yours) does not address picture quality. But seeing that all the AMOLED phones of my friends have huge color shifts. . no thank you.
[HTC One X] RogerPodacter:
Samsung does not sell their cutting edge latest amoled screens to anyone. They built additional production plant to make lower end amoled like 800x480 pentile displays, like the one the sold to htc one s. But they will not sell any amoled HD or amoled plus displays to anybody, they are using it for their own phones.
[HTC One X] fuzzifikation:
right now they sure need all capacity for themselves. However, this is different from 'won't sell to anyone' - that would totally contradict their business behavior so far.

See, people readily misread your statement thinking that Samsung won't allow for anyone else to have that great display. That's misleading.

How about this explanation: Samsung found a really really cheap and easy way to mass produce barely acceptable displays. They are so cheap , they built a factory for that for their own over 100 million phones. And for some reason , folks suddenly convinced themselves that wrong colors are better..

ah wait.. we had that before.. didn't Facebook buy that 'we make pictures ugly' company? I see a trend. Good and bad are reversed. Its Bizarro-Phone Time! .. I love me some weird colors!

so what does that all of that mean quality wise?

Nada: All statements of patents, production lines and customer withholding have no place in a discussion about picture quality. And isn't that the goal, here?
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Saying "SAMOLED is the best" and saying "SAMOLED is the best for me" are two different things. Personally I'm not biased either way. I came from a SAMOLED phone, have an LCD phone now, and if I keep the SGS3 will be back on SAMOLED. It all comes down to personal preference.

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These are multi-billion dollar corporations with billion dollar R&D budgets. To set aside $500MM to invest in a technology and set up a manufacturing facility isn't an obstacle as most of it’s capitalized over at least five years anyway. The cost of being the first to use an emerging technology is huge. As advances are made the cost of entry goes down considerably. My guess is timing is more at play than money. Samsung's advanced the technology now late entrants can benefit from it.
[HTC One X] Hunt3r.j2:
For now, I think the best IPS panels still top the best OLED panels.
[HTC One X] aslan93:
Dude, I know the reasons for why it looks the way it does.. I was just saying that I expected worse. I have the note and nexus too and I was expecting something similar to nexus but gs3 is way better in terms of screen, I'm not talking about dpi or size or why its like that but the pen tile matrix is visible the least on the sgs3 than on any divice I've seen. Actually if I wasn't looking for it I most probably wouldn't see it. And yes I've looked especially at the text in the browser and compared it to hox. There was very small text ( I mean people with eyesight that's anything less than perfect wouldn't even be able to see the letter that's how small it was) and guess what ? I could read perfecltly on both screens although it was a tiny bit clearer on hox. However I know for sure that on nexus that text is unreadable . Also one x was obviously brighter but not by that much and in a very bright weather I could see perfectly on it. Generally I think people will be very impressed with it once they see it
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
You're not alone. ;)

Screen comparison: Samsung Galaxy S III vs the fierce competition

Posted: 22 May 2012, 09:33, by Ray S.

"Acknowledging the fact that everyone has their own personal preferences, we'd simply like to point out the good and the bad about the Galaxy S III's screen, and let users decide for themselves if it works for them or not.

First of all, although it can't reach the same level of excellence found with the LCD screens, it still shines pretty brightly, being even a tad better compared to the rest of its AMOLED brethren.

In terms of details and clarity, it isn't as good as the dense RGB screens (with 300 ppi and more), due to its PenTile matrix and large 4.8” diagonal, but we concluded that it's still very, very good. It is an HD screen, after all, and PenTile or not, it does look incredibly fine.

Next up, we saw that, typically for an AMOLED screen, the colors of the Galaxy S III are on the colder side, but as vivid and eye-catching as ever. Thankfully, Samsung has wisely included the option to alter the display's looks by using different “screen modes”. With these, you can make the GS III not as saturated, or a bit warmer, both of which will take it a step closer to reality. Though, if you're into the default oversaturated experience, we see absolutely no problem with that, as it does look quite impressive".

As far as viewing angles go, the GS III is as good as every other AMOLED out there, though it quickly loses the little warmth its colors have.

To us, the best phone display out there remains the one of the HTC One X. It has natural, yet saturated colors, as well as a fantastic brightness output. Then it all comes down to your own taste. Would you get something that's unnatural but still downright beautiful, or would you stick to a more balanced image which keeps things real? In any case, you can rest assured that the Galaxy S III has one helluva good screen, worth every penny.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Scre...alaxy-S-III-vs-the-fierce-competition_id30435
[HTC One X] finbaar:
For me it is not even close. My GNote screen is way better than that on the HOX. I compared them side by side at work and I couldn't put up with SLCD knowing that AMOLED existed. And I don't care what anyone else says.
[HTC One X] goonx:
LOL.. omg. If you're nickpicking on semanics then sure..... the SAMOLED is the best display. And here's my gzillion scientific proof. You're reading an article and review and those are what: based on opinions of reviewers.

For a fact: SAMOLED's contrast levels, black levels, "thinness", battery drain, viewing angles are superior to SLCD technology.

You have no idea about what's going on around you do you. What happened to HD-DVD, pioneer plasma and all those "big" things that were suppose to happen. R&D is HUGE risk. That's why it's R&D. 90% of the product development probably fails. What you see out in the market are probably the 10% that were successful. If everyone was for "sure" going to win big in the OLED industry, everyone would build plants but that's not reality. Pioneer's Kuro panels were 6+ years ahead of the competition and they failed because LCD was emerging as the next-gen mainstream panel. 3 years after pioneer's exit, panasonic is still playing catch-up and can't make a "kuro" panel even after pioneer sold them most of their patents. Pioneer still hold a few that are their "trade secrets". If you read reviews on plasma panels, most of articles will almost always reference the black levels to "kuro". Hitachi made the first SuperLCD (IPS), where are they now?

So no, not everyone can built plants out of no where. Not every multi-billion dollar company will build OLED plants because their focus is on other niches of the markets. Maybe they're developing another screen technology. Who knows. But for your explanation of just plotting down $500million just for the sake of building OLED is illogical. Companies also need the right personnel in their R&D department, the right talent, the right vision and the patents. You make it sound like Samsung will just roll over and help you develop OLED technology - that's the opposite. Competing with a GIANT like Samsung is a huge obstacle. Manufacturing is a trade secret. No one will share. LG (2nd biggest panel maker) and two top television makers, Sony and Panasonic, are already jumping onboard. What else can you expect? Until it hits mainstream, not everyone will be making OLED panels.
[HTC One X] RogerPodacter:
Sure its a capacity problem, I guess I could have stated it that way. Basically Samsung can only make so many amoled screen of a certain high resolution (and even fewer of amoled+, hence why they aren't using it yet on the sgs3). So they're gonna use what they can make for themselves first before selling to other manufacturers. I'm just not sure why all these crazy theories are said by people and blogs. Its a capacity/yield problem. Trust this, I'm sure Samsung wants the entire planet using and buying their amoled+ screens.
[HTC One X] goonx:
agreed.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Product marketing reports to me at a company larger than HTC. You?
[HTC One X] goonx:
Oh the "my thing is bigger than your thing" play now? Why don't you tell your company that's bigger than HTC to plop down $500million for OLED and see what they say to you. Afterall, samsung is willing to play nice.
[HTC One X] Fightspit:
goonx is used to see an samoled display from the T-mobile Galaxy SII so what is the point.

Also, the screen of the S3 is not really a "720p" because it have less subpixels than the One X's.

Below an exemple of a true 1280x720x3(RGB) display like the SLCD2 which have 2,764,800 sub-pixels and a "fake" one like the SAMOLED which have only 1,843,200 pixels (1280*720*2 (RG or GB) ).
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
You're the one that attacked me personally. I was just trying to share that I do in fact have some credibility. On a public forum everyone's equal when sharing their opinion. You've made yours crystal clear. Next subject.
[HTC One X] louis.b:
Well my supposedly inferior Sensation XL produces more accurate and brighter colours than my cousin's/ friends' S2. My experience has proved to me that I should not believe the words of some random internet fan boys. I have never seen an s2 in real life whereby it doesnt have the blue tint, even on black colour.

And I could have handled other people's "perspectives", especially SS' fan boys', if they had not popped in ALL OVER youtube when the HOX first came out and trashed the HOX w their baseless clueless rumours about the S3. And seems like you are the one w accepting issues cuz you can't seem to understand that for some people SLCD will always be better than SAMOLED, trying so hard to persuade them to change their opinion. If YOU can't handle other people's opinions GTFO.
[HTC One X] Fangar:
I like SAP screen for pure black making me feel comfortable watching streams or reading books at night. But I have to give them up until sammy succeed in increasing manufacturing yield of them, and of course real SAP HD screen under 7.7 inches.
[HTC One X] fuzzifikation:
this has gone far enough. Information exchange has gotten repetitive but with the added bonus of being personal in some of the later posts.

let's cut to the chase: The S3 is a great phone and Samsung is one of the major electronics players in the world.

But the current state of AMOLED is more than debatable. It might be the future in displays. But that is not something we can figure out here.

As for the current state: IPS delivers sharper pictures due to not being pentile. Thats a fact.

color reproduction is measurable. Get a measurement comparison and we have another fact.

that should at least postings settle this debate, right?
[HTC One X] Narrow Face:
HTC one X and Galaxy Note owner here and my personal opinion is that SLCD2 blows Super Amoled HD away.

Both screens are nice, but when compared side by side you realise just how cartoony and unnatural Super Amoled HD looks. The blacks are deep yes, but everything else a out the screen seems oversaturated.

SLCD2 however looks extremely sharp and beautifully natural. It reminds me a higher resolution version of the iPhone 4s display but on a bigger screen. The colours aren't eye popping, but they manage to look alot more pleasing to the eye.

All in all, I'm no expert on screens, but I can tell you that Super LCD 2 is mind blowing, and for this reason and this reason only is why I won't be getting the Galaxy S3. If the S3 used SLCD2 I'd get one no questions asked, but instead it uses the same ugly Super Amoled HD display, and for that reason I'll pass.

Once you go to SLCD2, there's no going back to Amoled.
[HTC One X] LuffyPSP:
I agree. This is my first time going to SLCD2. Others are AMOLED. Even my HTC Desire is AMOLED version. SLCD2 rocks, though i have always liked AMOLED, cuz people said so. :p
[HTC One X] Azurael:
Colour reproduction is irrelevant - it's gamut (i.e. the amount of different colours the screen can produce that matter) - it seems to me that AMOLEDs are way oversaturated by default but I'm sure this can be fixed with a calibration.

I found the text readability to be pretty poor on my Desire AMOLED, although I'm guessing the Pentile layout is far less noticeable on a higher DPI screen like the SGS3/GNex.

I do love the contrast though :(

What can't be fixed, however, is the outdoor readability - the thing is with a decent transflective LCD, the sunlight is actually helping you read the screen whereas AMOLEDs are fundamentally hopeless as they can't reflect light through the pixels.

Anyway, the OX screen is I think still the best on the market on a mobile phone at the moment for that combination of sharpness, decent colour reproduction and fantastic outdoor readability. In fact, however much AMOLEDs might benefit from infinite contrast, even the IPS LCD in the OX puts my calibrated desktop PVA monitors to shame in many regards :(
[HTC One X] downesey:
I went in-store at my local phone shop to see the gs3 and the amoled was just pants, it didn't look like a 720p screen, there were clear black patches between the pixels were the rgbg sub pixel setup fails hard. So happy with my one x, had to reassure myself
[HTC One X] rawfa:
I thought really long and hard before getting the HOX. I´m a really huge fan of amoled and I was spoiled by the GS1 and the GS2. I´ve tried other phones and always ended up going back to Samsung because of the screen and the multimedia habilities...until now! The screen on the HOX is gorgeous! I NEVER EVER thought anything would be able to come close to the incredible quality the amoled screens provided me over the years, but believe me the HOX screen can do it. Like many say, the contrast is not the same but when you look at it it feels just right. I watch videos EVERYDAY while going to work, so screen quality is crucial on a phone for me. The HOX meest my high standards with flying colors!
[HTC One X] maggot_ff:
I think the screen on both looks good actually. Sure the, LCD2 looks sharper when viewed closely, but there's just something about the AMOLED screen on the S3 that looks great (no, not the over saturated colors), but the fact that it looks more like a plasma screen in some regards. It's softer, and "snappier", in lack of a better word.

Watching a movie on the HOX is a bit of a bummer (overstatement, lol) after trying it one the S3. The one in the S3 definitely looks better than the one in Note and the Nexus though. Also, the use of Gorilla Glass 2 seems to help making the screen brighter.

I guess this whole thing just comes down to personal preference. I would've liked the screen in the HOX a lot better i you could adjust the sharpness, and the S3's screen would've been the business if it didn't use Pentile technology.

Now, people stating that one is tremendously better than the other, I don't understand. A lot of people here come of as faboys or a bit sore that they are stuck with either one of the phones. News flash: Sell/return it and get the other.

And are we really that spoiled that a 720p Super AMOLED HD isn't sharp enough? Or that the blacks on a LCD2 isn't deep enough? Come on, now we're just nit picking. :p
[HTC One X] farasatyarkhan:
SLCD2 Has more natural colours
[HTC One X] chrisjcks:
The HOX also has Gorilla Glass 2.

The HOX is a non pentile display with 60+% higher brightness compared to Amoled & higher ppi whilst producing better colours, the only negative is black levels in comparison to the SGS3.

So, whilst people say Amoled is more battery efficient - it offers 60+% less brightness, yet doesn't offer 60+% more battery usage, so.... Amoled doesn't seem better on the battery at all.

... Watching a movie on the HOX is a bummer? - you cannot be serious!
[HTC One X] Arsaw:
LCD, SLCD, SLCD2, Amoled, Samoled, Samoled HD and Samoled HD Plus, all these panels make no difference to my eyes. To me, is just a screen. Choosing a phone solely base on the screen quality does not make any sense to me also.
[HTC One X] Warhero141:
Nice logic. You must've been the smartest kid in your neighbourhood.

/sarcasm
[HTC One X] eadred:
I compared today my hox screen with the SIII Amoled in a local shop. The Amoled screen is about miles away from being as good as the slcd2. SLCD2 is about twice brighter than AMOLED when both on automatic brightness. The amoled whites seemed to be gray compared to scld2.

This is my subjective judgement, but Amoled is no competition to slcd2. Our Hox screen is much better. I have absolutely no remorse having picked the hox before SIII came out.
[HTC One X] maggot_ff:
Then why do you have to keep telling yourself that? idk, i guess I'm one of a few that like both displays. But then again, I have both at my disposal.
[HTC One X] nikorette:
This is a photo from the HTC One X sales book.

As you can see slcd has the upper hand
[HTC One X] P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
Indeed it does, but you have to remember how biased the rest of that leak was
[HTC One X] nikorette:
Yes lol the non removable battery killed me but do you think they modified the image
[HTC One X] Meltus:
I own both and I can report that while the lcd2 might look better under a magnifying glass they both look pretty similar when you're actually using them :)

The only difference is that the One X has a much brighter screen whilst the S3 has much better contrast and saturation. Personal preference really :p

EDIT: The One X has MUCH better viewing angles btw. If you tilt the S3 even slightly you get a yellow tinge to the screen and if you tilt it even further you get a 'rainbow' effect. Not the best.
[HTC One X] okuda1971:
Much has been said about the quality of the screens but in real world situations the hox is better... Simply because when out on a sunny day you can still see the screen clearly... Isn't that more important that little dots...!!
[HTC One X] xchasa:
Also. GS3 has terrible blacks at low light. Blocks and ink smudges. Check their thread if you don't believe me. I gave my galaxy to an employee to use. And many sgs3 users are saying the thing that stopped them getting HTC was non removable battery and sd, not the screen. If you can live with that then HTC is the winner. And now they want either cm9 or sense ported to get rid of touchwiz. I also have both and HTC kills samsung in all areas concerning screen for me personally. Dark. Light. Inside. Outside. Up close or far away. And on any angle.
[HTC One X] Meltus:
Not noticed any smudges to be honest, blacks look great on mine.

I don't want to turn this into another One X vs SGS3 thread but the S3 is slightly better than the One X in almost every respect (the screen and Tegra games being the only exceptions). It's not really a fair comparison though as the One X is using the very resource heavy Sense as opposed to the much 'lighter' touchwiz. Get them both running CM9 and you'll have a real competition :)