yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
If I want to use a stock kernel my phone does not boot correctly and nothing works... So that might not be a solution...
[HTC EVO 3D] SecFry:
It's really strange 'cas I'm running exatly the same recovery.

Which ROM u used before flashing this one?

Also answer a checklist on previous page.
[HTC EVO 3D] SecFry:
Yes, themes are working extremely great :)

This is ROM have no Gapps included. This is how Cyanogenmod is build and distributed. You can see clearly:

2all, I'm going to test "ics_chocolate_M8260AAABQNLZA30150" branch today. It seems to be recently updated (but I think it's unstable).
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
This is why I really like, that no google Apps ar included, I wrote it down few posts ago:

"Very Nice ROM i tested it all day over (I am still a student and have some spare time ^^) and with the FDroid Market and without all the google stuff it is a REAL nice Operating System which works for you and not spy around. I only miss a working permission manager to complete this very nice ROM. I hope the Dev of Pdroid will get the programm working with Android 4. Then this will be really a awsome ROM.

On a computer everybody is crying if something is sending home and under Andorid or iOS everybody accept that..."

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I get it running with 4EXT latest Version for Evo3D, with ClockwordMod Revolutionary it does not work.

Before I used LeeDroid V5.4 ROM patched with PDroid.

To your checklist:

1. Are your phone S-OFF or S-ON?

S-OFF

2. Revolutionary HBOOT installed?

Yes, get it unlocked with revolutionary.io

3. What recovery is installed on your phone?

Now 4EXT Touch latest Version for Evo 3D GSM

4. Had you flashed last radio?

Yes, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1202422 this Firmware 11.77.3504.00U_11.25.3504.06_M

5. Which ROM you are using right now?

Yours :-) and waiting for future Updates to get it more Battary save and stable :-)

Again huge thanks to all who are working on this nice not-home-phoning-rom :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] SecFry:
testman86, thanks, still have no clues how that error happens.

Building right now, btw.

I'll write a changelog after build - or as I'll wake up (its 01:40 and yesterday was Friday :D)
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
me neither, all other ROMs i could flash with Revolutionary Recovery without any problems.

I saw that there were some changes on Github from Kali, do you use only his Folder to build or do you use files of many folders on github to get a complete working ROM? I am new in this field and want to learn, therefore I am asking :-)

I will go to Party right now I think, living in Western Europe and at our place the night begins right now :-D
[HTC EVO 3D] SecFry:
So, I think, I messed up that code pretty much, so now I'm doing "mka clean && mka bacon".

Rebased to CyanogenMod/htc_kernel_msm8660 which pretty much the same as TeamEvo/htc_kernel_msm8660.

There are some audio related errors - and CM9 couldn't boot. Will see what rebuild will do on this.
[HTC EVO 3D] SecFry:
I got bootloop and can confirm that 4EXT recovery is the only one which resolves problem.

Issue is caused by corruption of system, so its mounting read-only.

Uploading new build right now, also adding 4ext recovery to the main post.
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
Thanks for your great work :-) there are not enough thanks buttons :-)

can i flash this version over the previous without doing a factory reset? Or because of the kernel switch should I do a factory reset?

You wrote in the first post, if a person comes from a ICS Rom it should not a problem, but you changed the kernel.

Sry for my stupid questions, but i really want to know how Android works step by step. :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] SecFry:
Nandroid and try :D

I had come from MDJ build without wipe.
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
Then I have to try and hope, that this version is as stable or more and more batters saving than the previous version ;-)
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
It seems to work, if you install the .zip without a wipe over the "old" version, i hope the battery drain is better. With the last version its losts 50 percentage in a half day or quarter day.
[HTC EVO 3D] testman86:
Am I stupid or why do I not find this settings http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/CyanogenMod_Settings#Call_settings? I know it is not CM 7.1 but there must be an option to set call settings or not?
[HTC EVO 3D] warrenb213:
coming once copenhagen is set up to compile. ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
I love when there are no more agrabren's posts, it usually means he's either up to something big or having some rest: both situations are good for him and for us :)
[HTC EVO 3D] bahrianabbas:
Agrabre is not showing up . Is he off to somewhere?? come on man surprise us I need complete working 3D so bad with this ROM. I hope you ll come with a surprise :)
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
Check the 2nd post in the CDMA Devil Toast thread.
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Just to confirm bug: Video upside down in Google Talk also happens in Skype, I assume its the same fix for Google Talk. There is also some weird touchscreen issues where it auto selects something even though screen isn't touched...not sure if its cause screen is dirty or a bug. Tried cleaning my screen but it still occurs sometimes.

for the sms splitting, I can exceed the maximum characters and it will automatically add a new sms and send properly.
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
Yeah, some of the bugs are specific to CDMA.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
when most of the bugs are fixed... do you think of beginning to work on CM 10? (just a question, i don't want to stress you, etc..)
[HTC EVO 3D] Skreedi:
So 0.8 version will be out when you will fix all issues in second post in CDMA thread or when only some will be fixed? I'm only asking! I'm only curious and I don't want to rush you.

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[HTC EVO 3D] nphaibk:
Some feedback:

- install smoothly, small pack (so fast)

- booting fast

- no market after installation, install gapps ok (but then gmail disappeared)

- touch is not really responsive

- no builtin overclocking possibility

- 3D booting animation! but 3d camera not working

overall: not yet powerful, responsive

maybe come back for next version, thanks for the work
[HTC EVO 3D] unavix:
This rom is great. Will operate and 3D camera or it is not possible?
[HTC EVO 3D] elitman:
Overclock is possible. Settings > Performance > Processor
[HTC EVO 3D] drasko85:
yes, it's possible but not with current kernel...
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
No 3D cam. Mentioned tons of times already ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] EM|NEM:
Does predator's bass mod work on this rom?

Or maybe this beats audio mod?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1525226
[HTC EVO 3D] warrenb213:
I just hit 30 hours on my phone with one charge, moderate usage during the day yesterday and no use overnight(did receive e-mail tho).

Once I figure out what I broke bluetooth and camera with, you all will see a increasingly customized AmeriCanAndroid version of CM9. ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Holy crap! (Can I say that?)

30 hours is awesome.

With the kernel that came with the ROM?
[HTC EVO 3D] $tefanDroid:
Incredible battery life...

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[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
What kernel are you using?
[HTC EVO 3D] $tefanDroid:
I'm using anryl kernel. ;)

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[HTC EVO 3D] Evengard:
What is that "anryl kernel"? Is it AOSP-based, or another HTC-crap based?
[HTC EVO 3D] $tefanDroid:
I'm not sure but i think its htc based.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=21914555

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[HTC EVO 3D] jcsy:
Anryl is a developer, lol

Not HTC crap honestly
[HTC EVO 3D] Skreedi:
Am I the only one having problem with button backlight? It works but I have problem with search button, when backlight is turning down i still see some light under that button, it's barely visible in normal light but when it's dark it's a bit annoying. Is that bug or it must be like that?

I see that when screen is on and backlight is off, when phone is locked everything is ok.
[HTC EVO 3D] AliiYousuf:
That's a build problem. Not ROM problem. I have it too :)
[HTC EVO 3D] metamasterplay:
Hardware bug
[HTC EVO 3D] Skreedi:
@up

So it can't be fixed?
[HTC EVO 3D] ercineker:
not if you dont want to take apart the screen :) the screen backlight leaks thats why u get a little light thru the search button
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Love to see all the battery stat screenshots. :)

I am now wondering why my screen always has the most usage. (I believe that is the main issue of my battery drains)

I have this with every ROM, not only this one. MIUI, Sense, Stock Sense... i'm beginning to worry
[HTC EVO 3D] JazLiew:
That's because you're using the phone. I think the people that took those screenshots left their phone on idle.

sent from my mwakious3D ROM loaded EVO 3D x515m :D
[HTC EVO 3D] Evengard:
I never said that anryl kernel is crap. I just supposed that it is BASED on HTC crap.

I mean, is it based on the kernel sources provided by HTC or AOSP, which are being fixed by agrabren (probably right now)?
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
With Linux 3.0, the kernels are nearly identical between HTC and "aosp". In reality, there isn't an "aosp" kernel, because they're so device-specific...
[HTC EVO 3D] Evengard:
Do you mean that the HTC kernel is fully open sourced?
[HTC EVO 3D] AliiYousuf:
Hey Agrabren. Are we gonna see 0.7.2 for GSM as well tomorrow?:)
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
I don't release one without the other. :) You guys (GSM users) are the real reason I stuck with Devil Toast as long as I have... You make all the work worth it with your enthusiasm and appreciation. That's something that many Sprint users apparently lack.
[HTC EVO 3D] sturmen:
I try and be appreciative! Honestly, I was going to buy an Evo 4G LTE but I stuck with my Evo 3D because of how awesome agrabren made it.
[HTC EVO 3D] AliiYousuf:
I do go through your CDMA thread once in a while, and I must agree to you. There is a lot of lack of appreciation and more demands and bashing. But we love your rom here. Cant wait to test it. You're a great dev. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
Just a heads-up: Ran into a small snag, delaying my upload for a bit. No idea how it's currently working on my phone, but it's not worth the risk. Some of my kernel headers got out-of-sync with the ROM itself (probably during a repo sync). I've fixed it back up, and I'm kicking off a new build.
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
That post, sir. Is pure awesomeness!
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
I agree :P

I've reverted back ONLY because of music/sound bug, but I just miss a lot agrabren's cm9 :P

Can't wait for any new builds *-* And.. wait! Just wondering, is anyone using the stk.apk with a Extended services SIM? Like banking operations etc... So I was wondering, is it working for you?

On my official sensation cm9 rc2 it's not working properly i.e., think that's a cm-base bug.

Finally I have to say I simply love Agrabren's work *-*
[HTC EVO 3D] TomHL:
Have u tried to check 'National data roaming' in Settings > Wireless & networks - More... > Mobile networks?

It works for me (T-Mobile & Orange in the UK)
[HTC EVO 3D] decemberhayes:
I've got all this enabled and have those problems. Switching on and off airplane mode always works though...

Swyped from my Evil3D
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
FYI 0.7.2 is up everyone!!!

Thanks agrabren!! Will test and let you know of any issues.

Dre

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM

Update****

I think wifi is broken as it does not turn on...

Bluetooth works just delayed in starting up takes about 10 seconds...

Face unlock doesn't work for me, I can set it up but still doesn't find my face.

Also when rebooting the device it has to be plugged into USB charger for some weird reason to get past the boot animation.
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
Yeah, we have a few bugs that made a comeback due to a sync error. I'll be respinning the build tonight.
[HTC EVO 3D] TomHL:
Hey I'm new to this rom. I just got notification from goo.im saying 0.7.2 is available. Is this for Evo 3D GSM? No link on this thread yet?
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Yes this is for the GSM version however hold off on the update as there are some minor bugs

Dre

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM
[HTC EVO 3D] TomHL:
Thanks. Saw agrabren's post after I posted it.

Great job agrabren!! Really can't bear any roms other than CM.
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
Anyone? :p
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
I've got a new upload going, but it's having a heck of a time uploading. Also, for those who are *really* adventurous, you can play with something else that I uploaded earlier by browsing around my dev area.
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Hmmm I think I'm feeling pretty adventurous would you require logcats?

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM

***Update***

Just flashed CM10 and its working very smooth...no camera app yet.

Install Process:

-Wipe cache + dalvik (if you wipe data then it will not boot and stay on boot animation)

-flash cm10.zip

-flash gapps from 4/29

-reboot but leave the usb cable plugged in (only boots when USB is plugged in. )

What works:

Wifi

Data

Audio

GPS

Bluetooth

Phone(ear set and speakerphone)

Not Working:

Camera

Button backlights

For the first release I think this is very stable; I can't describe the smoothness and responsiveness of the phone when scrolling app drawer and home screens

...its awesome :)!!

Dre
[HTC EVO 3D] aryuautku:
This!

It's funny how other developers couldn't get wifi working so far but your first build has it, lol

Thanks for the great work agrabren! We love you over heere at GSM!

And idk if it is just me, but I keep getting crashed out of your JB.

Edit: Copy pasted the working-not working list above me, adding and substracting from that list if I may!

What works:

Wifi

Data

Audio

GPS

Bluetooth

Phone(ear set and speakerphone)

USB Mounting

Not Working:

Not really stable for me, i constantly get reboots.

Camera

Button backlights

Apollo crashes on kaunch
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Sh*t :')

Ill give it some more charge cycles and see if it gets better while using it.
[HTC EVO 3D] Snowled:
You should make a new thread agraben, it would make it easier to find everything =]

5+2 Evo here

Anyway, downloaded DisarmedToaster, wiped, flashed 0.7.1, cache + dalvik, booted, then re-flashed to CM10.

Each time it gets stuck @ Starting Applications and if I force-restart it, it gets stuck at the boot again (even with USB plugged in). I tried wiping all and wiping just boot, system & cache + dalvik, but no dice

Anyone know what I am doing wrong?
[HTC EVO 3D] elitman:
Had the same after upgrading to 0.7.2. Went to recovery and formatted dalvik and cache and it worked.
[HTC EVO 3D] Snowled:
Woot, works now!

Feels super smooth.

When I turned it on, it said "Google One Time Init" had crashed. Not sure if that affected anything.

Camera & backlights not working here either (although I prefer backlights off). Wifi works, search bar is ICS (so no google now). Apollo does NOT crash for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] decemberhayes:
I updated without wiping data/cache. I only wiped cache+dalvik and it booted, said it was updating applications or sth like that and then stopped responding. I rebooted the phone and got bootloop. went back to recovery cleared dalvik and cache again, rebooted and it worked. I tried playing a 3d video from the gallery and it crashed just when i wanted to quit the video. I rebooted the phone and got bootloop again. Wiping dalvik+cache worked again and I am now back in the system...

Other than that I haven't found any issues so far...

As usual great job agraben!
[HTC EVO 3D] $tefanDroid:
Agraben you are incredible...

Will flash cm10 now. :D

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[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
Woooooooow, agrabren you are the best. I was guessing you'd come with something really new... Come on, let's raise a donation collect for him to buy a GSM evo 3d! :p I know I'm repeating myself but he's really great ç__ç I'm moved :PP
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
CM10 is not at daily level yet. I'm impressed it even booted for some. I know why both CM9 and CM10 are having stability problems, and I'll get a fix out ASAP. The CM10 build was a toy to try out, see how much a blind build worked. Its about on par with my CDMA version.
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
I'm downloading cm9 0.7.2 and cm10 0.1. Will report later. You are impressed, we are a lot impressed of your dev skills! You made a "alpha-toy-build" that has nearly everything working (well.. camera, the same old story with every htc devices but I think that now that you have fixed the 2d on cm9, it'll be easy for you to fix the one in cm10 :P) and you made it blindly! So bear with me if I say "we need to raise a donation collect to let him buy a gsm evo3d" :D

I'm sorry but I'm just so enthusiast *-*
[HTC EVO 3D] elitman:
Question: Where is FM radio in this ROM? Have been using this ROM for a while and only today noticed that I can't listen to the radio??
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Hmm I haven't experienced any boot loops or abnormal behavior guess I'm a lucky one :). It stayed booted all night woot woot. On a side note agrabren if you need any debugging with camera let me know!! Thanks for the builds!

Dre

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM
[HTC EVO 3D] unavix:
Version 0.7.2 has no problems? Can I use it as a day? Or should I wait for a repair?

I can not wait to start using it as a major.

Amazing work Agraben.:good::good::good:
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
The cam isn't integrated into cm10 yet. Some pieces are, but not all the changes. So I knew it wouldn't work. Mic doesn't work on CDMA...
[HTC EVO 3D] :
off-topic question: could you make a dedicated thread for your roms/versions? would be much easier to follow...
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
CM10 is not booting for me, it stays on starting apps even if I wipe cache+dalvik or cache and dalvik singularly. If I reboot it stays on cid cm9 bootanimations in bootloop. Not too bad for me, I'll try when the great agrabren will come out with a more stable build xD Going to flash cm9 0.7.2
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Try booting with USB cable plugged in after wiping cache and dalvik

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM
[HTC EVO 3D] $tefanDroid:
CM 10 works like a charm!

First it didn't boot but anryl kernel solved my problem.

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[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
I'll try that thanks :)
[HTC EVO 3D] Arbelzapf:
erm... I'd hate to ask an enormously stupid question but where is this cm10 rom everyone is speaking of? I read back until 2 days ago, checked the OP, checked the cdma thread, all I see is cm9 7.2
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Its in the 'cm10' directory listed under agrabren

http://goo.im/devs/agrabren/cm10/shooteru/cm-10-DisarmedToaster-0.1-shooteru.zip

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
Ok, about cm9 0.7.2:

Build is really smooth, everything's working but..

there is still the audio playback bug :o

EDIT: ok, found something about it: if you erase from build.prop the lines regarding the "lpa" and reboot, audio is great and no playback bugs.

Something regarding lpa bugged? dunno =o

After deleting lpa, when rebooting phone gets stuck on bootanimation; booting with usb cable works instead, just not always: sometimes it needs a dalvik+cache wipe :/

EDIT2: ok now even cm9 0.7.2 has the same behaviour as cm10 :PP Going to flash cm10 again, let's see what happens xD

EDIT3: lol xD with anryl last kernel it finally boots (both cm10/cm9) and works great, reporting later.

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CM10 is so awesome and smooth... butter smoothness, I love it! :)

BTW as many jb builds on other devices, mic not working on google search/now (it FC) and camera as expected, but it is a great build!

Also the headset is not working, I mean when you put the jack in, no headset icon on statusbar and no audio-routing in the headset, indeed music is played from rear speaker :P
[HTC EVO 3D] dre1187:
Yep I just tested my mic and it doesn't work. Yesterday when I tested phone I only attempted to hear and not talk :X

Sent from my Evo 3D GSM
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
Wow, I have a question regarding jelly bean and cm10: is the 2-fingers expand-notification feature something made by google in 4.1.1 or something introduced by CMteam? I mean.. with official JB for Galaxy Nexus you use one finger to expand notification o.o (have watched some videos about it)
[HTC EVO 3D] ercineker:
congrats agrabren :) fixing the cam and voice search u have a final release i think :) ur awesome :D
[HTC EVO 3D] zeusoxygen:
Help me in the post 1 in scrennshot i see cpu spy work. Thx

I use the last build.

Envoyé depuis mon Evo 3D GSM avec Tapatalk
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Cpu spy doesnt work ever since the official htc sources were used in the kernel.
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Downloading 0.7.2

still trying to figure out where the drain comes from while using it. Aside from that, I am sticking to this ROM like herpes :D
[HTC EVO 3D] metamasterplay:
As CM10 is doing great this thread should be splitted to 2 different ones, one per branch.
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
It would be good indeed to split it into two threads.

People using CM9 and CM10 each asking questions in their 'own' thread. It's becoming confusing already :D

I have to redownload 0.7.2 now for the 3rd time..it keeps timing out at 99% (and goo.im isn't very helpful today).
[HTC EVO 3D] cwillison94:
I couldn't get 0.7.2 to boot at all. Any suggestions? I tried wiping cache and installing Yoda v2 kernel.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
i think agrabren should make his own :)
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Does anybody have a mirror (dropbox perhaps) for 0.7.2? I can't seem to download it at all :(
[HTC EVO 3D] stolipl:
Where is link to download CM10 ??

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[HTC EVO 3D] a7ad67:
does the 0.7.2 has fixed 3d video playing
[HTC EVO 3D] decemberhayes:
My only attempt was successful until the playback finished and I wanted to quit gallery. It then crashed and left new with an unresponsive phone. After taking the battery of I got bootloop and had to wipe dalvik and cache to make it boot.

Swyped from my Evil3D
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
read a page (or maybe 2) back...
[HTC EVO 3D] AliiYousuf:
I have a request for Agrabren or any other dev out here. The 3rd party apps such as Viber and Facebook are unable to sync with my contacts. They don't even show contacts (in case of Viber). Can this be overcome by something?
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Has nothing to do with the ROM, but with ICS in general.

Haxsync solves that problem :)
[HTC EVO 3D] AliiYousuf:
Even for viber?
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
For me Haxsync merges the facebook contacts with my own contacts, whatsapp and Viber.
[HTC EVO 3D] a7ad67:
ok as decemberhayes say 3d video are working but when u try to exit the gallery the phone will stuck and u need to pull the battery but for me no boot loops it starts normally after pulling the battery

edit

another bug headphone jack is not working
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Or some of us could have read the OP, and we wouldn't have to pull batteries at all ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Still trying to download it :D
[HTC EVO 3D] a7ad67:
ok i don't know what u mean i read the op and i did not see any thing talking about 3d video play back in the new 0.7.2 the 3d video player works fine just it stuck after it finish

maybe i missed some thing when i was reading :p
[HTC EVO 3D] AliiYousuf:
Haxsync wont work for Viber. *sniffs* Sense? OH NO. :(
[HTC EVO 3D] a7ad67:
u r still downloading lol man i already flashed it and i'm talking about it's bug

and u say to me read the op did you read the change log in the cdma
[HTC EVO 3D] KrewsialNL:
Yeah...goo.im doesnt like me very much, today ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] stolipl:
My phone get bootloop when I flash to CM10. :/

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[HTC EVO 3D] a7ad67:
for me cm 10 stay on boot animation and no thing happens
[HTC EVO 3D] stolipl:
Me too man.

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[HTC EVO 3D] KingGunna:
Did you flash it the right way?

1. Install cm9

2. Wipe cache + dalvik

3. Install cm10

4. Boot with USB plugged in
[HTC EVO 3D] a7ad67:
ok cm10 it boot just flashed Anry kernel http://d-h.st/bZF
[HTC EVO 3D] Kaanardo:
Mirror please ? :fingers-crossed: