yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I am fully aware of that. However that requires a computer then and also is a pain in the ass for kernels distributed as a zImage. I was the one who rote the current PH98IMG script that is currently used for several roms like Scott's. It is the best way to do it because it doesn't require a computer.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
what happened to the guy who was trying to test this out?
[HTC Rezound] Droidel:
boot is accessible...i flashed recovery to boot by mistake. Rebooted phone and it kept going into recovery.

I was stumped and then realized what i did.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
He couldn't get it to brick in time and had to return the phone to Verizon.

OP, can you please change the thread title? I think it is misleading at this point knowing what we know now.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
he could of held onto the phone for up to 30 days, that's what verizon told me before. oh well, im sure we can get others to test this out.

as far as the thread title, what do we know now? that it's not possible?
[HTC Rezound] con247:
ENG Hboot won't work. We currently don't have a viable exploit for older hboots even if we can downgrade. So currently this is absolutely pointless to keep debating and talking about. Plus, an S-OFF rezound won't help us get S-OFF on stock devices.
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
further...

even if we could get the eng hboot onto the phone,wed be stuck with gingerbread :rolleyes: i tried it with ics and had the same disapearing sd card issue that folks had when they flashed ICS roms requiring the new fimrware, on phones with the old firmware.

i do think that the ability to downgrade is of some merrit,tho i agree 100% the risks to a good phone arent worth the end result at this time. it would still be nice to see proof of concept on a device that was gonna sent back anyway.

kinda leaves us at square one... we need an exploit for radio s-off,wich has happened on very few newer devices. :(

i think our efforts are better spent on a petition. even if not a completely unsecured radio,if unlockeds-on htcdev could be worked out on future devices to:

1)allow boot access from permanent recovery

2)alow access to splash.nb0

3)allow backwards flashing of signed RUUs. this would allow us to change radios around,while protecting the inexperienced from accidentally flashing an incompatible radio and hboot.

that should satisfy 99.9% of the folks that want s-off. heck,it would prolly even satisfy me,as id have been able to flash the leak without worrying aBOUT being stuck on it. :eek:

well,speaking generally,to be 100% satisfied id need a way to change the CID,in case the device in question started popping up overseas,opening up foreign and unbranded RUUs :D
[HTC Rezound] CharliesTheMan:
I think the peition idea and paying and a stricter warranty check would be awesome. But I worry some of these less mature and less honorable users I run across would be posting in a week "Help I bricked my phone and can't afford a new one. How to I make it so I can fraudulently make a warranty claim?"
[HTC Rezound] sabindaman:
So the eng Hboot and ics kernal are not compatible?
[HTC Rezound] con247:
No the vold.fstab would need to be patched... but that is minor compared to the fact that the ENG hboot bricks a device that isn't S-OFF
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
well,if it were structured so that "factory s-off= NO warranty" then those users would be SOL. theyd need to carry asurion or something else,and if they effed it up theyd be paying the deductible,and theyd be subject to all the terms of said 3rd party insurance.

the bigger prollem is that some phones who legitimately have unrelated hardware failure,would be in the same boat,and thus no warranty. *shrug* it would still be worth it to me :)
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
yup... if we had s-off,the eng hboot wouldnt matter. it was kinda cool that it existed,but now that ICS is incompatible its not nearly as big a deal. the unlocked hboot actually makes a nice "engineering" hboot when combined with radio s-off... lets you fastboot flash and fastboot boot. i use it on my inc 1,and my merge,neither of wich have real eng hboots available.

i personally hate screwing with PxxxIMG files and sd cards. even on an s-off device that doesnt check stupid main version numbers,radios and hboots ;) :p

also,title changed,if you hadnt noticed :)
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Make the petition scotty, myself and im sure alot of others will sign it.
[HTC Rezound] angryPirate12:
I gave the downgrade a whirl, earlier today. I can confirm what's been concluded, HTC has pretty much made it unbrickable. I even pulled the sd-card along with AC cable still wouldn't brick. This theorized method is dead.
[HTC Rezound] kryptik06:
ahhh how sad :(
[HTC Rezound] ruvort:
I know this isn't the same method being tried here but does the XTC clip work on the Rezound? I know that is what people were resorting to on the Inc2 before the patched Hboot dropped. I'm moreover curious than anything.
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
no clip support. ive been watching the clip forums and they seem to be more interested in drama and sqabling about "who is the original clip" than adding any new devices :(

ive got a manole clip and a raskal clip so if either was "original" and added support id be on it :D

basically,the clip software puts a factory DIAG file onto gold card and then the clip itself emulates an engineering sim card,wich allows the diag file to turn the secure flag off,unlock the sim,and chage the CID.

in order for the clip to suport any new devices,it needs a factory signed DIAG file,and possibly that devices eng sim programed into the clip(i have no idea if the eng sim is universal or device specific)

quite some time ago i provided evil devnull and his thinktank with several clip generated DIAG files for similar devices hoping someone could break them down,figure out how they work,and possibly find an exploit,but nothing ever came of it.
[HTC Rezound] ruvort:
Its really too bad that this is the case :-\
[HTC Rezound] Abead84:
i might have a bricked phone that doesnt turn on.
[HTC Rezound] Andro X:
I'm curious, how did that happen?
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
Did it involve dropping a brick on it?

I kid, I kid.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
i guess im not as worried about s-off anymore. i mean id like to have a solution for going back to a full factory state and or flash radios separate but it appears we may never get it.
[HTC Rezound] Abead84:
it happened like this.... i was running the new leak with bamf 2.0 and i was trying to flash sebastians 1782 OC kernel. i flashed the kernel and when it went to hboot i got hte main ver error. i went back to the thread i got the kernel from and read through it and found a few people that had the same problem. i did what was advised to them, which was changing the main ver number in the android text file. i booted into recovery and reflashed the kernel. at the end it said it was going to reboot, but it never rebooted. it just shut down. i have tried things all day to get it to turn on but nothing. i tried leaving the battery out and plug it in to the ac and boot into hboot but nothing. i tried leaving it on the charger for 2 hours and the amber light never even came on. i took out the sd card and tried booting.. nothing... i was talking with con247 he was very helpful with ideas.. i tried everything he could think of but nothing... its just a paper weight now
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
do you have a linux computer? know someone who does?

if so,you got nothin to lose fo sho :p

using hboot 2.10 or 2.11,basically start at step 2 of the evo3d thread. even if your phone wont power on after,if you got this bit of code wed ahve proof of concept:

Writing image file!
511+1 records in
511+1 records out
1047808 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.36689 s, 2.9 MB/s
SUCCESS!

tho,keep in mind no results doesnt mean it wont work,it just means that whatver happened to your phone did not cause the emmc to go into the correct diagnostic mode for the sensation recovery tool to work.

this troubles me... its not logical a kernel flash killed your bootloader. yet its a pretty big coincidence to have a herware failure at that time.

do you have any extra batteries you could try?
[HTC Rezound] Abead84:
i do not have an extra battery at the moment to try. Im goign to swing by the verizon store after work and see if they have aspare battery i could try. if it is the battery tho i dont understand why i would loose 40% charge from flashing a kernel. i also left the phone on 3 different chargers for over an hour at each and there was nothing. i also tried plugging the phone into the ac charger without the battery to boot into hboot and got nothing.
[HTC Rezound] sknight13602:
I had this problem but it wasnt after a flash I tried to reboot and it never came back on I had the 3.8v battery and went into Verizon and they poped in 3.7v and it came right on so other than letting it sit for a day with no battery in it. It's the only thing that could have fixed it. I just told them my phone got really hot and shut off and wouldn't come back on and won't charge or anything.

htc rezound

Rom: BAMF ICS v2.0

kernel: SebastianFM
[HTC Rezound] Abead84:
i went to verizon and tried a different battery but nothing happened

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even tho the phone wont power on... if i plug it in to the computer and adb fastboot and all that stuff. is there software i could push onto the phone that could fix it?
[HTC Rezound] bradsinram:
I'm pretty sure this is the process for the new s-off,except there are a few other things I can't say yet, but are what make this idea work
[HTC Rezound] fernando sor:
Nah is just donations I've received. This is important and i know next to nothing about linux lol
[HTC Rezound] con247:
No clue but I needs to be force flashed. However if it has the wrong signature it will brick.
[HTC Rezound] lllboredlll:
do you have the eng hboot on hand... i been digging through drives on 2 pc's and booting to both os's ... its somewhere i just cant figure out where
[HTC Rezound] con247:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1449769

Hey it is actually debug signed so don't get your hopes up.
[HTC Rezound] lllboredlll:
i knew where the thread was... i need the file the link is dead
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I have the file on my laptop. I am in class for another half hour. I can repost it in about an hour
[HTC Rezound] lllboredlll:
ty sir......
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Here ya go guys.

6c4babc9c39ca1c4e92030202a4ce413 hboot_8x60-lte_2.11.2005_111221_MR2_signedbyaa.nb0

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12286815/hboot_8x60-lte_2.11.2005_111221_MR2_signedbyaa.zip

The md5 checks to be the same as the one in the original eng hboot thread found here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1449769
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
im curious as to how this would work for us? isn't this the bootloader from the evo3d? if so, IF it works in theory we can s-off via the revolutionary method then?

if this works for us i see alot of developers coming over and BIG donations coming somebodies way.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
I am so ready to eat crow, saying there would never be s-off! This would be awesome.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
never say never!
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Don't get your hopes up.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
as with aosp ever coming im not but it never hurts to dream. i was always a bit disappointed the devs gave up on s-off so quickly. not bashing the htc dev method but not being able to go back to a full factory state sorta sucks IMO.
[HTC Rezound] awenthol:
Donation from me as well...
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Aosp is coming. Don't worry too much.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
yeah i know and if you guys get s-off despite me being short on cash ill donate what i can.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Anyone trying it yet since we have the eng boot now. I would but some of this confuses me :D
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Someone is. I am not gonna be first lol
[HTC Rezound] anothen:
lol, no? why not?! (kidding) I have an excuse- I am at work with no linux machine
[HTC Rezound] killahrey:
I'd be totally down for this of I had a backup phone to use while I waited for a replacement lol.
[HTC Rezound] Easton999GS:
Why shouldnt we get our hopes up?
[HTC Rezound] bradxnght:
because of the extremely high probability of bricking your phone for starters lol
[HTC Rezound] killahrey:
From what I read its a requirement to brick your phone.
[HTC Rezound] bradxnght:
im talking about completely bricking it.
[HTC Rezound] mikdiamon:
^ this is y con said don't get your hopes up
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I was reading up on this: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23566551&postcount=249 which is the original executable that allows this magic to happen. It appears that it was originally intended to fix devices that are S-ON bricked... so it is possible that even if the debug signed hboot bricks it, this can still recover the device.
[HTC Rezound] EmerikL:
Count me in for some donation money.
[HTC Rezound] jcase:
This would brick (most likely) if flashed with the s-off eng hboot I posted.

It is signed, but I believe it is signed with a different key.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Is it possible that a properly signed ENG Hboot will turn up? Or since this tool can flash other partitions, could a radio be modded to have S-OFF and then flashed?
[HTC Rezound] jcase:
The one I posted is properly signed, however it is signed with the "eng" key (I believe im 99% right here).

Getting one signed with a release key, would require an insider with access to their private key.

As far as modding a radio, it would be dangerous.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
But it would be possible? I wish we had someone that could do it.
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
I am in for donating if someone makes this work.
[HTC Rezound] Kilch:
Count me in too. Will pay to get S-OFF. :)
[HTC Rezound] Superguy:
I'll throw in some too.
[HTC Rezound] loki993:
Sooo...I was literally just about to run the HTC Dev unlock. Should I wait? Or if I did and this works will I be able to get back to locked if I need to?
[HTC Rezound] anothen:
IF it works you should be able to get back to locked... I would wait if I was you.

EDIT: It may never happen... If it happens it would be awesome. However, once you unlock with HTCDEV they most likely have your serial # (pointed out earlier) and regardless of "re-locking", HTC may know that you're phone was once unlocked if you are trying to do any warranty claim...
[HTC Rezound] EmerikL:
There no guarantees on S-Off right now. Even if it does work, its pretty complicated at the moment and requires a high level of skill.

If you want to start flashing ROMs right now, run the unlocker.
[HTC Rezound] loki993:
Its not burning a hole in my pocket. I dont need to root it. I was just going to debloat it and see if I could get some more battery life out of it.

I can wait a bit to see how this all plays out
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
im just glad to see both scotty & jcase involved, im confident now more than ever that we actually could see s-off.
[HTC Rezound] sabindaman:
I agree completely I would rather wait a couple days and see how this works out.
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
Even if we get S-OFF, what happens for us already unlocked by HTCDev? Could we just end up using the method along with our already unlocked phones to get it?

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[HTC Rezound] Divine_Madcat:
Stupid question, but i guess there is no easy way to pull the hboot rom one of the few rezounds floating around with s-off? Or is that where the eng hboot came from?
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Those have the stock hboot but are S-OFF. So their hboot is no different. ENG hboots or hacked hboots either ignore the security flag and just report S-OFF regardless if the device is truly Soff
[HTC Rezound] TB13:
Wow, wow, wow, lets not go all Justin Bever in this thread... :p
[HTC Rezound] tbot:
Well...I'm almost half tempted to try this as I have a thunderbolt for backup...but since I'm not familiar with some of the process I'm a little nervous. Looks like I need to fire up the Linux box.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
If another dev was willing to do it, I wonder if they could VNC into you're linux box and together you and them could try it??
[HTC Rezound] Bubbamanlarry:
It sure would be nice to have the Rezound as easy as the Tbolt to mod.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Don't try it.
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Care to explain?
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Why not? Is this idea now debunked and were screwed?
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
The advantage is flashing separate radios, splash screen and flash kernels without hboot. Also you could full factory reset your device without them knowing you voided warrenty. I think if we had s-off we would have alot more devs come over too.

Feel free to correct me if im wrong?
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
I'm guessing devs don't care about s-off. We can do basically everything as is.
[HTC Rezound] Marcismo55:
I would listen to this guy...just sayin ;)
[HTC Rezound] Kilch:
To my understanding, wouldn't the CM team want to have S off so they can do to MOD with precision or am I wrong?

Honestly, I love the ROMS here, but when I had the DInc and I had CM7 on there, it ran nicely. At 88 Mb, how can it not?

Anyhow, I do hope someone does S-OFF the Rezound.
[HTC Rezound] chefthomas99:
Don't need CM9 while we have roms by our awesome devs.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Sorry but id take cm9 any day of the week, just saying!

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Not what i heard, thats why they flocked to the gnexus.

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We are, no one here has done it yet. I just wanna know if its dead in the water or not. S-off got me all excited.
[HTC Rezound] chefthomas99:
I'm sorry, but IMO Cm is boring.
[HTC Rezound] chefthomas99:
Everytime I've run Cm7 - I spent my time trying to make it look like Sense.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
To each their own. Personally i dislike sense and it never hurts to have more options.
[HTC Rezound] Thadrow:
not everyone is a sense guy. alot would love CM9 . and most roms here are sense .
[HTC Rezound] chefthomas99:
Oh I agree, I'm not flaming CM at all. I just found it more troublesome to run and always needed a charger nearby.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
With the rezound no matter what rom you run you have to be near a charger lol.
[HTC Rezound] johnwaynegacy:
Cm has almost 1.6 million unique installs (including kangs). It is the most feature rich and optimized "rom" if you want to call it that. I won't use anything but cyanogenmod.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Not me. Running CleanRom ICS getting great battery life.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
I get good life too...when i dont use my phone! ;)
[HTC Rezound] chefthomas99:
I guarantee the ones running HTC sense are much more than 1.6 million...
[HTC Rezound] con247:
This is currently DOA because the Engineering Hboot we have is debug signed and not release signed. So even if we get the HBOOT to flash, it will brick.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Man that sucks, dreams crushed lol. Maybe lock the thread up then?
[HTC Rezound] tbot:
OK, back on topic please...I realize there are differences between the evo and us, but can anyone chime in as to why this wont work, which is why I'm assuming we are being advised to not attempt this.
[HTC Rezound] chefthomas99:
What does the EVO have that rezound doesn't?
[HTC Rezound] mikdiamon:
S-OFF apparently :cool:
[HTC Rezound] b5fan:
The difference is that the Evo 3D has a hboot (1.4) that was hacked and s-off was achieved. HTC updated the hboot to 1.5 which closed the hole. This technique allows the user to put 1.4 back on and run the old hack.

We don't have a hboot that will allow us s-off. So even if we could flash another hboot, we are still in the same boat of not being able to get s-off. There was a theory that the Eng hboot would allow the s-off, but it is not signed correctly so even if it could be flashed, it wouldn't provide an opening to get s-off.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a dev but this is what I get from reading both forums on this subject.
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
older software/firmware where revolutionary works ;)

the main point of the 3vo 3d thread was to figure out how to downgrade. the downgrade wuold prolly work here,too,but theres not much point,we couldnt s-off shipping firmware either.

sorry to have gotten everyones hopes up(mine are crushed as well :() i did not realize that the eng hboots eng signiture was an issue.

tho its been a bit since ive read it,i thot the jist of the signed hboot thread was that if you could get the hboot onto the phone,the radio(or whatever is initially checking hboot for its signiture) would be happy.

ive been watching along while at work,but i need to go back and re-read everyhthing,as im not sure that i understand why getting the eng hboot onto the phone this way is any different than unlocking the emmc somehow and writing it that way. the radio is still checking that same hboot and finding that same signiture :confused:

if the eng/debug signed hboot is not going to pass signiture checks,its really only good for a radio s-off device. wich makes it really no different than a patched hboot(read:no good for us crappy unlocked s-on guys ;))
[HTC Rezound] live2die:
my phone is s-off, i am in China, i know nothing about linux, how can i help you guys?
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
basically yes. the jist of the signed eng hboot thread i thot was that if we could get it onto the phone,we would have engineering s-off(not radio s-off,but almost as good,for most practical purposes)

i simply saw this as a potential way to get the eng hboot onto phones,not realizing the eng signiture was a prollem.
[HTC Rezound] scotty1223:
you could sell it to me :D

in all seriousness, i dont think there is much that can be gained from studying radio s-offed phones.

do to the complexities of this phone we need either:

1)a factory signed DIAG file and engineering sim

or

2)some other sort of back door hack to turn off the radio secure flag

or

3)an insider to sign the eng hboot with his release key :D
[HTC Rezound] angryPirate12:
The evo has a cracked/patched/signed (not sure of how they achieved s-off) hboot via revolutionary team. It uses an older and more easily exploitable hboot version. Our Rezound hboot is newer and isn't subject to the same cracking methods as older versions of hboot. The method used as the basis for this thread allows us to force the phone into flashing another non-released/supported hboot. This is extremely dangerous as if the hboot isn't properly signed for our device it can then become permanently bricked as it doesn't have the proper hboot to operate off of. As con said the current ENG hboot we have is a debug hboot, which means its designed for just that, debugging of the device; in most cases this hboot is used during initial design and build stages of a device and has its own unique signature or none at all. So if we were to force flash it, the phone wouldn't recognize it and our phones would brick.

Now this is as i understand everything, so if i'm wrong in some respects i apologize and feel free to correct me.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Dude i just LOL...soo true! Im curious why the rev ream isnt working on s-off for us. This bootloader must be locked up tighter than a virgin on promnight. ;)
[HTC Rezound] johnwaynegacy:
Right, because most of them don't know any better. Most people run a fully bloated factory firmware. I guarantee that cyanogenmod has the most unique installations of any aftermarket firmware.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
So really were SOL?
[HTC Rezound] con247:
No. However we either need someone to leak a release signed eng hboot or mod a radio.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Sounds about as likley as htc removing sense from their phones.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I am pretty sure that is how the bolt got hacked.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
Oh? How long did the bolt users go before s-off was achieved?