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[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
I guess so. I always enjoy these conversations because everyone has their share of dishonesty, and most people have ways of justifying it.

do you ever drive over the speed limit when you know cops are not watching? Ever rolled a stop sign or yellow light at the LAST second?

ever gotten too much change at the store and then not gone back to the store to return it?

do you use any tethering app that by passes paying the tethering service fee?

I could make a list 2 pages long..

its funny when and how people choose to invoke their morality, and how quick they are to judge others because they disagree with a specific moral behavior.

you know what they say about glass house...

and you have no problems defrauding Verizon 30 bucks a month? Hey I don't either!
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
You are taking what is fairly "normal" dishonest behavior, and abstracting it out to justify your rather more abnormal dishonest behavior. And somehow trying to pretend that immoral behavior is a binary, on/off thing with no shades of gray, which allows you to equate not returning 25 cents with the theft of thousands of dollars with of equipment. Even your argumentation is dishonest. It also lets you equate my tether of about 100mb/month in the airport with your 100+ gigs a month. Pretty lame, man.
[HTC Rezound] mike.s:
I take it you don't understand how warranties work. Warranties don't generally have terms which would cause them to be "voided." They do have terms which say what is and what is not covered. Many warranties have terms which do not cover problems caused by modifications. Some have terms which exclude coverage for devices which have been modified, whether or not the modification caused a problem. But the warranty isn't voided - it's still in effect, but that clause tells you the manufacturer isn't going to fix it for free.

I'm not sure what you're claiming when you say they "have to PROVE..." Obviously, if they're not going to cover something under warranty, they don't need to prove anything, they'll just call you and say "It's not covered under warranty, it will cost $x to fix, we need your approval for that, or else come pick it up." Then, you can try to change their minds, or you can take them to court, where one could just as easily claim that the owner would have to PROVE that the modification didn't cause the problem, at least if the modification and problem were reasonably related (e.g. modification to, and problem with, the engine). When the dealer tells the judge "he modified the engine, then the engine broke," the judge isn't going to decide in your favor if you just say "but he has to PROVE it."

A warranty can say that engine problems aren't covered under warranty if you hang some fuzzy dice from your mirror, and so be it. As long as the terms are clear, such things are perfectly legal, although perhaps not good business sense.

There is one bit of law many people get confused on. A manufacturer may not condition a warranty on use of specific parts (e.g. you must use GM oil filters) or service (e.g. the oil must be changed by an authorized dealer), unless those parts or services are provided free under warranty, or they have a specific waiver. Some people will try to use that to claim that, for example, a car company can't refuse to honor an engine warranty if you "chip" a car for more performance. In fact they can, if the warranty terms clearly state so.

If a car manufacturer offers "bumper-to-bumper" coverage which includes scheduled maintenance, they certainly can say you must have all work done by the dealer, using factory parts. They can also say "no modifications, or we won't cover the vehicle under warranty." I'm not aware of any that do that, but they could.
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
I'm pretty sure as long as the modification doesn't cause the problem they really cant do anything, think about it. If you put it on then you could take it off and if they say "no modifications" you could just put the stock parts back on and rub it in their face :) so they are obligated to just ignore it as long as it doesn't cause the problem
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
I think you are right. And really, I think the biggest take away here is that each situation is different and will vary from person to person , as their is no blanket law that covers this.

one person may have to take all the parts off and still get denied, while another will have no problem getting the work done and covered under warranty despite the modifications.

Same goes for the phone. If you call VZW and say "ya I just rooted and rommed and then over clocked my phone, and now my screen has dead pixels." even though those are not related at all, you are probably going to be denied warranty exchange by that person. Although maybe you get a CS rep who understands rooting and romming and knows that dead pixels are not related and he WILL replace your phone..

its all about who you talk to, and how you talk to them really.
[HTC Rezound] mike.s:
"Obligated" doesn't mean what you think it means. Some modifications are reversible, some aren't - and describing a situation where fraud is committed really doesn't make a point.
[HTC Rezound] platinumrims:
Lol at this thread... :D
[HTC Rezound] graymonkey44:
First, a stuck pixel is far from being broken. The phone would still be 100% functional. Second, I'm sure you were made aware before sending in each individual phone that you had to return the "broken" phone. If not, it's common sense to return something that's broken when you exchange it with a new item.

If the phones were so broken why didn't you just send them back? Oh wait, you said you had family members activate your "broken" phones that just sit in your drawer untouched, right? You aren't responsible for the company's inventory management, but you are responsible for returning the "broken" phones.

Your definition of fraud, as you so eloquently put it, doesn't have to be intentional for it still to be fraud. Ever heard of something called negligence?

Also there was a gain to be made out of keeping the phones too. I'll state it again for emphasis, the phones you kept were activated on other people's lines. Not only are you abusing the system, but you are commiting fraud. Not only does the insurance company lose out on getting back the 6 refurbished phones, which could potentially get fixed and sent out to other people who make insurance claims. Verizon also loses out on getting people to buy their phones and possibly sign new 2-year contracts.

Sure, I hate getting screwed over by insurance companies as the next guy-- but the thought of keeping a "broken" phone just never really crossed my mind. It's about having some integrity.
[HTC Rezound] somebodysomeone88:
I've never personally had to send in a phone to verizon. I HAVE, however, brought up the fact that my phone was rooted to several Verizon reps in the store and for the most part I'm not even sure many (if any) knew what I was even talking about.

"You won't ever buy another Motorola phone because they won't unlock their huh?" :confused:
[HTC Rezound] Cybie257:
This is likely the BEST answer anyone could've posted here (at least up to this one as I haven't finished.)..

It's the same as a computer. If you buy a dell computer, DELL "Could" deny your warranty if the extra RAM you added caused the damage. Adding such RAM is 'Modding' the computer from stock factory but is also something put into the design; The expectation that you will upgrade from factory as with modding OpenSource software (IE:Android). If the hard drive failed, they will fix it. If the motherboard failed, they will fix it, UNLESS, you damaged the Motherboard while inserting the RAM.

As with Android and your reply above, Hardware and Software are two different things. If the hardware fails, the hardware fails. Not likely you will every cause a pixel to go dead with a custom ROM. BUT, you could cause the CPU to fry with an Overclocked Kernel. So, there's two examples of OK, and NOT OK, when rooting and custom ROM'g regarding warranty... No manufacturer should be liable to repair your phone if you overclocked it and fried it. That's violating the 'used as designed' portion of most warranties...

Carriers like Verizon don't want you to root your phones for specific reasons that they won't tell you but are obvious. Rooting allows you to use tethering apps on your phone that utilize lots of network data usage and violates TOS. It also allows you to take off all there crap-ware that they feel promotes their products (when it actually demotes them because they slow your phone and use memory). They use "It will void your warranty" for two reasons. One, a scare tactic, the other because at that point, they "Covered their Ass" for anything that may ever result in a legal dispute...

-Cybie

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But, unless you are paying for the HotSpot package, you are violating the TOS that YOU signed. Therefore, you now just admitted to breaching a contract. :rolleyes:

Also, that's just ridiculous that you would even admit that in addition to doing that. Such things are why they got rid of the unlimited plans in the first place. It's people like you that cost other more money for less things received. Tiered data plans were put in place to stop people like you abusing the system. :mad:.

Luckily I'm grandfathered into the Unlimited plans. BOTH, the Data package AND hotspot. Verizon "THANKS" me for all the data I use because I PAY for it and follow the TOS. Never been told I use too much, even when I averaged 60-80gb per month for a few months in a row...

BTW... As of NOW, Verizon DOES NOT throttle 4g. They only throttle 3g. But, it's people like you that will cause 4g Throttling... :mad:

-Cybie
[HTC Rezound] Paresh Kalinani:
No bottom line found

Read this whole thread, from top to bottom... :)

ANS NOW I FIND THAT THERE'S NO BOTTOM. LINE WHICH PROVES THAT ROOTING DOES/DOESN'T VOID THE WARRANTY. :mad:

Ohhhhhh ****!! :mad:
[HTC Rezound] TXI Kaze:
It really doesn't. If the phone is in repairable condition upon arrival, they wipe it, repair what's needed for functionality, reload the software, check it, and call it a day.
[HTC Rezound] Fastbird:
This. I work a call center for a major national bank, and this is so ultra important to getting what you want. Give them the basics, don't give them every bit of info, and don't demand. Be nice, and you'll get what you want.
[Defy General] yamandude:
Well , i made a new Youtube account completely dedicated to Motorola DEFY .

--- LINK TO THE ACCOUNT ----

http://www.youtube.com/user/OneStopDEFY

And to the connected Facebook Group :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/378940478820529/

( NEW VIDEOS WILL BE UPLOADED FROM TIME TO TIME )

1> Rooting DEFY

2> Flashing stock SBF via RSD-lite

3> Flashing a new ROM from STOCK FROYO

4> Creating NANDROID backups and restoring them .

5> installing the APP ' CHAINFIRE 3D ' also with its Drivers .

6> MULTIBOOT DEFY ( MIUI AND CM9 ) ( DEMONSTRATION ONLY).

7> WIUI 2.3.23 v4 ROM overview .

8> MS2Ginger 3.0 Flashing Tutorial .

9> Installing V6 SUPERCHARGER SCRIPTS ON Motorola DEFY .

10> Flashing procedure of MS2Ginger 4.0 BETA2 .

11> Procedure of installing CM7 WHITE RABBIT EDITION ( DEFY + ) .

12> White Rabbit 1.4.1 ROM Overview .

13> TeamWinRecovery Overview .

( ever updating )

:)

All your queries and other things are to be posted here ( just in case i can't reply to the youtube comments :P )

AND do tell me what video shall i do next .. YOU DRIVE THIS ACCOUNT :)

Hope i help you people :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
:P

This is so bad. .... . Almost 120 views and no replies ?

ATLEAST give some feedback if you viewed the videos.

I made for you guys and its just de-moralising .....

Sad
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Why is it in q&a ?
[Defy General] yamandude:
This was the most logical selection for the type of queries that could come in :P
[Defy General] yamandude:
any particular suggestions if any if you have for a new video then do temme ... :)
[Defy General] JakeOcn:
I tried a whole week to install white rabbit rom, but I'm always stuck a red M, and then had to use rsd lite, and I have a Bayer module defy, at least for me it'll be a nice idea a how to install this rom video, because I couldn't manage to do it
[Defy General] yamandude:
So u want me to do a video on that or just answer here?
[Defy General] gtuxyco:
Make a video of multiboot but the procedure to install. is more helpful a video.

:) thanks for your work
[Defy General] yamandude:
I already have the video with the procedure to install ( multibooted cm9 and wajkiui ) .... is that what ure saying?
[Defy General] gtuxyco:
:eek: A question. I can have ms2ginger with other room :S i dont know how
[Defy General] yamandude:
U can have ms2ginger 4.0 on dualboot ..... i just installed 4.0 and m gonna dualboot now ;-)
[Defy General] gtuxyco:
ms2ginger 4.0?

where can find? In the thread of ms2ginger don't mention a new version... still in a 3.0
[Defy General] yamandude:
Here it is. ....

http://w167469.open.ge.tt/1/files/969Z8xC/71/blob

But be careful ! ... its having a different way install it !
[Defy General] gtuxyco:
Thanks! :D i try install...;)

What kernel has this ROM? defy+ or defy?
[Defy General] JakeOcn:
Anyway you prefer, a video will be a good idea
[Defy General] yamandude:
Defy+.... you can get that in my video too , links there :) .. else the xda forum.

Do temme how it goes :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
Fine , video will be up in next 3 hrs or so. ..... .

Ms2ginger 4.0 installing procedure. And

Installing WR edition

:)
[Defy General] yamandude:
Video up in about in an hour :) ... Both MS2Ginger 4.0 BETA2 and White RAbbit EDITION :)
[Defy General] Sesme:
make a video for noob's

CWM

wipe data cache and dalvik

wipe batery

and install new zip

Backup and restore

;)

is for defy and other CWM terminal's
[Defy General] yamandude:
Check Chanel. .... . Already there :))
[Defy General] pranks1989:
You doing a very good job bro!! Should I get some time will try to contribute in this noble cause of yours! :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
thanks a lot .. the appreciation means a lot to me :)) ... but ' contribution ' ??
[Defy General] pranks1989:
Will share videos with you which may be of help and you may upload them in your youtube acc...
[Defy General] yamandude:
ya sure... :) ... send them in , will surely utilize them :)
[Defy General] cendioxid:
great job

Thanks, the videos are really helpful, I tried the multiboot myself.

What is the second best ROM for defy (I use primary the WAJK GB latest edition, now: the 2.3.30 edition. I want to try a CM7 related, but I do not really now which one is the fastest (I do not care the ICS yet):)
[Defy General] yamandude:
go for CM7 white Rabbit edition :) .. just made an overview video too :)
[Defy General] cendioxid:
Ok, I'm going to try, thx
[Defy General] yamandude:
do temme later :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
Long time no video ! Cmon pour in your suggestions ! :D
[Defy General] zaiko2000:
ok I think about the multiboot and I saw your video.

I have a defy (red lens) with CM7 working (coming from eclair to froyo to CM7)

So I downloaded the two files but what is the fsimages.zip ? Is that CM9 or what ?

I'm a little confused what is happening. I was planning to install the CM9-NIGHTLY-120406-Defy.zip.

Can you lighten up my mind ?

and this :2 - UN-ZIP the second link download ' fsimages.zip ' and put the folder INSIDE the main folder , in the root of SD-CARD.

which main folder do you mean ?
[Defy General] yamandude:
That fsimages is a zip file ,,, , just unzip it and keep it in the main folder of sdcard. . Not in Any folder ' inside another folder ' .... see the video again. ... just do what i say :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
Cmon people !! .. No more suggestions ???!!!
[Defy General] biswashyub:
Which defy?

which defy is yours?? green or red?
[Defy General] yamandude:
Red :-)
[Defy General] yamandude:
Why BTW ?
[Defy General] tolinho:
Hi.

I found you videos on youtube,

but still been a newbe, they are interesting but did not point me in the correct direction.

I have a motorola defy plus (MB526) and would also very much like to install a custom rom.

My System Version: 45.0.74.MB526.Retail.en.Fr

Android Version: 2.3.4

Kernel Version: 2.6.32.9.gbab50c3

Build number: 4.5.1-134_DFP-74

But the more I read, the more I get lost.

My phone is still in warantee.

So if I have a problem and need to return it for fix I read I must install stock from back.

In order to go from a newer version of a rom to a old I read I must first install a froyo 2 rom.

Then I read I must install sbf files.

I also read I must install different kernel files.

Only then I can attemp to install a new and custom rom.

All bits of information I get from many forums, but I never found a full and complete howto.

So, can any of you that have managed to install a custom rom point me to the right direction please.

Many thanks
[Defy General] Mr. Clown:
Moved to proper forum.
[Defy General] yamandude:
ive got a defy .... which is froyo kernel by default , and urz have a gingerbred kernel .... so , for you froyo kernel based roms are not posibble ( unless you can go back to froyo , which again is difficult if not impossible ) ...

so the choice of customs roms are limited for you ( ie ; only one having GB kernel can work on your phone .... and some with battery problems )

some ROMS that will work on ur phone are are CM7.2 , CM7 White Rabbit EDITION ( DEFY+ Version ) .. etc ...

after flashing the roms , if u wanna go back to the stock ROM .. in your case , the defy+ version GB kernel one .... u need to flash the SBF via RSD-lite ( same procedure as in the video , just the SBF will be different )

so.... thats cool ?

do ask ahead if you have more queries :)
[Defy General] tolinho:
Okay. Thats for the reply.

So I installed a custom rom.

I followed these steps:

How To: Install ICS 4.0.3 Motorola defy/defy+

Found on youtube

All works perfect, expect a battery issue.

It will not charge over 85%.

Can this be fixed?
[Defy General] yamandude:
there are many ' battery fixes ' for defy + battery out there .. many are hit and trial types .. try them .. some might work ;)
[Defy General] tolinho:
Seems you have a defy, can you point me to an ideal one?

Also, this issue could it not be suppressed then flushing new rom?
[Defy General] yamandude:
yea , have a defy .. was about to buy the defy+ battery , then dropped the idea when heard about the in-compatibility :P ... try the battery fixes here :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1510063

and if still doesnt work ... try flashing the same ROM and then apply the battery fix :)
[Defy General] tolinho:
I installed the patch and it work fine. Now Battery 100% :)

The move to SD issue... Any hints?

Thanks
[Defy General] yamandude:
good .. :) .. which issue ? :P
[Defy General] tolinho:
There is no option to move any app to Sd card, that issue :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
yaa .. nope .. no idea why still isnt there :P
[Defy General] joydeep1985:
Post a video of Modding onscreen buttons for CM9 . Make it from scratch like what all tools we need and how to proceed . Cause there are some compatibility issues with Android sdk v4.0 and apktools.jar . That would be nice for me too :)

Some video for compiling and decompiling apks And what are the precautions to be followed with it. Like how to decompile it with different process ( Either by java commands or by using tool (i dont remember the name)) edit the xmls and recompile them without error .

I think these small tutorials would be nice :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
:P ... i theeenk hat this is a bit high for my level :P
[Defy General] yamandude:
ya compiling and de-compiling , how to translate and other stuff i surely can do .. but the ' android SDK ' stuff .... :P
[Defy General] joydeep1985:
Dunt worry We all are learning here :) as soon as you learn post them :) As simple as tht :) .
[Defy General] yamandude:
sure sure :)
[Defy General] SAMHUI94:
i follow your video but i get stuck,

it is possible for me to use newer version zip. but using your installing process?
[Defy General] yamandude:
which video u talking bout ??
[Defy General] SAMHUI94:
upgrading defy to 4.0.3

now my problems are gone.

but i still want to ask can i use the newer version zip. with your flashing steps?
[Defy General] yamandude:
u arent giving any clues or details ... which video u talking about ... which zip ?? what problems ?? which flashing steps .. ? ?????
[Defy General] SAMHUI94:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9OQY7yz7U&feature=channel&list=UL

I want to upgrade to 4.0.4, what i need to do?

or i just follow your step but using the latest version of rom?(CM9-NIGHTLY-120413-Defy)
[Defy General] yamandude:
Ok, that's not my video :P , got a similar one on my account ' flashing new rom on stock froyo '

But coming to question : yes use normal procedure to flash new rom, but do take note of the kernel used. ..
[Defy General] SAMHUI94:
haha

i was watching your video at first, but i click the other and i dont notice that's NOT your video:D

thx for your help,

the kernel for different roms are not the same?
[Defy General] yamandude:
LOL ... :D

DEFY has 2 kernels ... 'froyo' and 'GB' .... different ICS builds use either of the two ... the dev must have written the kernel supported ... so ... just flash the one supported by the ROM :)
[Defy General] SAMHUI94:
THX!!

HOPE I CAN FLASH MY DEFY SMOOTHLY and successfully!
[Defy General] yamandude:
YES .. u will .. any problems do temme :)
[Defy General] SAMHUI94:
i make it successfully! Thank you for helps!:d
[Defy General] yamandude:
cool :)
[Defy General] Sainyam:
hey can you do a video installing TWRp

and another one with twrp + multiboot as many times i run into bootloop.

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and if possible aroma installer video also

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leave the aroma installer video got it on Youtube
[Defy General] yamandude:
aroma has already been done in ' White Rabbit ROM overview ' .. TWRp can be done ...

fine ..

next up .. TWRp .. :)
[Defy General] Whiskey Kid:
Thanks for the great video, yamandude! I stumbled upon your Multiboot video (#6) and found it incredibly useful; very clear and straightforward. I can't wait to see the rest of the series!
[Defy General] Sainyam:
And hey if you can please do video for overclocking to 1.2 ghz..

or your setting..
[Defy General] nikolai1611:
Your videos are very good and informative, how ever I suggest that you use the zoom of the video recorder properly. Because sometimes when you are showing something on your phone screen, eg Aroma Installer, we can't see what is written on the screen. So focusing properly will do the trick and make the videos even better
[Defy General] Sainyam:
Hey i am guessing yamandude has a fixed focus camera..

so what he can do is to record the video in high quality ,keeping the mobile at focus and then using video editor to zoom into the mobile screen..
[Defy General] yamandude:
i have others too :) .. try them ... more will come up soon :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
overclocking is very ease .. ;) .. just use ' SetVsel ' from play store .. and put the value ( if ure in stock ROM ) ... if u want i can give some values :)
[Defy General] yamandude:
thaths the biggest and heart breaking problem ,,, .... THE CAMERA IS FIXED FOCUS .... so m pretty helpless here :P :(
[Defy General] yamandude:
and hey ..how can i do that exactly ? which software ? :P .. glad u noted that :)
[Defy General] Sainyam:
an idea struck me while watching your video.

You can keep your phone at focus of your camera and the using any video editing software you can crop the screen of your defy only(and then upload it to ytube)..

But i guess this will work only if your camera allow a very high resolution video..

as at low resolution croping will lead to poor video quality..

But do give it a shot..;)
[Defy General] yamandude:
well initially i tried all this editing stuff , but didn't go well at all :P .. so i haven't edited ANY of my videos ... somehow m not comfortable wid it .. though ... if u can somehow do it ..