yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Toshiba Excite got slammed by Verge. Probably not a preferred HW partner any time soon.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/19/2876447/toshiba-excite-10-le-review

>the HUGE problem with the vast MAJORITY of these great apps is that they DO NOT work together.

Neither do Android apps.

iPad does have fundamental gaps with respect to what an "ideal" mobile device should be. It's part of a wider ecosystem, where components should be able to work together and share data (where appropriate), both with other hardware and software. The sum should be greater than the parts.

Interconnectivity is the holy grail is for mobile computing. It's not about faster CPU or higher res screens.

Per Apple's Not-Invented-Here ideology that originated with Jobs' pulling its 3rd-party Mac licenses, all iProducts are intentionally siloed devices. If you want to connect to its products, you have to pay it a cut. It's a fundamental weakness that has been overlooked in this initial embrace of the new form factor. The iPad does many things right, but this is a fundamental flaw, borne out of Apple's walled-garden mindset. One may recall the rise and fall of AOL's walled garden. The similarity is eerie.

But Android isn't a strong competitor. It doesn't exploit iOS' weaknesses, but is content to meekly follow in its footstep. "Apple charging 30% cut? So will we. iPad doesn't have a file manager? We won't either. No built-in networking? We won't either." Instead of a clear vision of mobile computing on a new form factor, Google is content to recycle its old formula for smartphones. Android, like iOS, is still mostly a phone OS.

I'm encouraged by the conceptual advances articulated by Windows 8. Data sharing, portable working environment (Windows-to-Go), etc etc. Mobile computing not just for content consumption, but for productivity.

I do feel that Google needs to have a grounds-up re-envisioning of its mobile computing effort--which, to be successful, should mean more than just a platform to sell ads and searches hits. Secondly, Goog needs to copy MS' strategy of setting strict compliance guidelines for Android devices. The laissez faire vendor adoption strategy does not work. The user experience to date is subpar.

Here's hoping Goog will have a great I/O in June.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
This is what android users actually believe.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tbns:
No need for sarcastic intro to your reply. I never questioned whether the iPad really worked or not for you and your wife, so no need to feel like your feet got stepped on. I was simply stating in my post that I'm well aware of Android's abilities and functions, and still found the iPad to be much more useful for my daily work - and not based off 'bench comparisons' like many forumites will do, but having both tablets (like you).

My wife also works in the medical field, and hasn't noticed any downsides yet for her iPhone and our iPad. She along with other doctors, and staff, also tend to use Apple products, and they work well for what they are needed for. Granted they are all out of school, so there's no more power point presentation creation, etc., but even in medical school programs where the occasional powerpoint presentation/research paper pops up, there's a much larger preponderance of Apple products. And they tend to work very well (and by and large, most people are very satisfied with Apple products - they are not all lemmings). My wife doesn't want to think about what live wallpaper she's running, how many widgets she has on her home screen, what launcher she's running, etc. when she gets called in at 3am. Your wife won't either, so those minor differences tend to be moot anyway. Or the increase in battery drain that some of those things bring. All she needs is for her phone to run smoothly, and the apps to be up-to-par. People tend to forget that sometimes forced simpleness (i.e. less choice) can actually lead to a better overall experience. There's a huge literature on it.

I really do hope Android gets more scientific and research related applications. Multitasking is important for what I do. I also like spending hours customizing things, which you can't do with the iPad (probably for my benefit, productivity wise :)). I also hope the active stylus comes out for the TFP, because the current crop makes note taking a tedious (and ugly) task.

We can agree to disagree - didn't work for what your wife needed to do, works just fine for me and mine. It is what it is. Some of the '1984' closed system comments are starting to get funny - in the same way Apple tatoos are pretty darned funny!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SOTK:
Again, who gives a crap if Apple works better for all of you and your wives. If you don't like Android and the TFP anymore and feel the iPad is the way to go, great. Go use your Apple and be happy. Why some of you feel the need to continue hanging out here engaging in meaningless debate is beyond me. Move on already!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tbns:
I think 90% of posts on any forum for any given day are 'meaningless'. But people participate because it's fun, and there's nothing wrong with a spirited debate. That's it. I'm not starting new threads, and agree that the TFP vs. iPad new threads are getting old. But I don't see what's wrong with responding to what's already posted. We had the same type of threads here when hints of ASUSs new lineup started coming out. TFP vs. rumored new tablet. I feel a part of the community because I had the TFP for a while.

With that being said, I'll stick to the main ASUS vs. competitor thread if keeping this one alive really bothers you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gunner1937:
I globally agree with your answer. Allow me to go a little bit further.

I believe he could have said the exact same thing with more kindness and a smile.

If he is angry and grumpy, I suspect it is because his wife and/or girlfriend, or partner, left him for a guy who just got the new iPad:rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xsacha:
Sucks you had a creaking unit.

Can't say I've ever noticed the resolution and I never had any creaking (even with Transformer 1).

Bought it aware of the high resolution Infinity Pad coming out but think it's unlikely to affect me. I also bought the tablet being aware of the non-working GPS but didn't mind me as I use my phone for GPS. The wifi works perfectly here though (even though expecting it to be worse).

Under the circumstances sounds like you did the right thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrkool44:
Like OP...I also gave up on Prime and returned it back to the store.

I had the same exact issues OP did...very slow browsing and overall lag.

I also had an asus transformer 101 and i had similar problems as OP with that too...i too, returned that 101..it just seem like a cheap piece of tech made my asus.

i was excited about prime ( i even sold my samsung tab 10.1 a week before buying prime) ..thinking, the prime should be way way better than samsung and ipad2.

well, after having the prime for a few days...boy, was i wrong.

I have always been an andriod fan and sort of an apple hater...but after my experience with andriod tabs (i have used just about all of them), i finally decided to give iOS a chance....

and I bought the new ipad 3.

game changer. prime does not even come close in terms of what 90% of people do with tablets (browsing,email, basic apps).

the browsing, email, overall UI is by far smoother and faster than ICS on prime.

I hate to say this...but..i maybe converting to apple house...im just not a big fan of their cult like image lol..but damn, they make very solid products that work!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Welcome to iOS. It's true that the new iPad is awesome!! The games for the retina display are bad@$$!! I own all of them.

Checkout this demo video of the current retina optimized games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUG0oPPTm2M

Make sure you look at the app section for the new ipad.

If you need benches between Tegra 3 and A5X, here ya go!!!

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/19...d-processor-benchmarks-ipad-2-nvidia-tegra-3/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
OP is a ... well, you know.

Sent from my tablet thing with XDA Premium.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrkool44:
what? ....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
A douche, return your prime and stop crying on a developer forum there are enough people crying on this forum and no one really cares that you returned it. cool exit story bro now gtfo.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] blestsol:
Enjoy your iPad. o_O

Sent from my Rizzy Rezound
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
but hey no one is reporting ipad problems....:rolleyes:

http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems

http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Well, at least Gizmodo is willing to post the story. Of course, Apple and Gizmodo aren't on the best terms, and so I suppose Gizmodo feels like they have nothing to lose.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SeaWaLK:
Why do I have the feeling that half the people here are employed by Apple??? If you don't own TFP anymore and you don't like it, why are you still here posting everyday? I mean if I dislike a product, i sell it/return it and move on to new product and its forum! I don't keep going back to my previous product and keep posting non-stop about why I don't like! If I really like ipad, I will stick to the countless Apple forums around the net, why the F will I be sticking around android forum? Except maybe if I am here to troll.:confused:

So can you guys from Apple, stop trolling and get a life? Go back to your Apple forum please. New ipad has its own share of problems! Overheating, weak wifi, charging problem, and do you know that the LTE chip in new ipad does not support LTE in many countries and thus render "4G" useless! This incompatibility issue would never ever happen to other brands. :D

Oh why didn't I go apple forum and complain? Cos I am not fking troll like many of you around here. :o
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluewr:
Consumerreport.org

http://news.consumerreports.org/ele...pad-hits-116-degrees-while-running-games.html

Cnet

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...r-but-not-yet-a-problem/?tag=mncol;topStories

Cnn

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/20/tech/gaming-gadgets/ipad-overheating/index.html

Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/new-ipad-overheating-apple-consumer-reports_n_1367808.html

And more appearing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
its ok they will hold it different. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
There are no universal LTE chipsets yet, that problem happens to every brand releasing LTE devices right now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SeaWaLK:
Nah... all products localised the chip to diff market. SO happen Apple did not do that. I am from Singapore and the new ipad sold here does not support local LTE. How difficult will it be to put in a LTE chip that support another country's LTE frequency if you are going to sell your product there??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
Singapore uses 1.8 and 2.6ghz for LTE. Its completely different from the 700mhz bands used in the states. Its more than just a software change to support other LTE networks.

Making a custom ipad for a country with a population of 5million would probably not be very reasonable.

LTE in asian countries right now is all over the place and uses tons of different frequencies. 700, 800, 1800, 2600. Things need to settle down and people need to pick some standards. Either that or a chipset needs to come out that supports all these different frequencies.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SeaWaLK:
I am not talking about software. I am talking about hardware chip. Not like people here get a discount for the new ipad. Unless you are telling me no chip in the world supports Singapore's frequency? In this case aren't we fked cos there won't be LTE phone here ever?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
Localizing a product for a small user base may not be financially viable when it requires hardware changes.

When developing apple picked their largest market with LTE and built it based on that. As chipsets are developed that support more frequencies become available I would expect ipads to start supporting them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SeaWaLK:
Don't you think that's kind of bull****. Why would any country invest in LTE when they are sure nobody gonna make hardware changes to support? cos i am pretty sure Samsung gonna come out with LTE phone here? Or maybe Apple don't have the capability?

You are apparently from Apple cos apple is the only company that doesn't localise hardware. Just look at Samsung galaxy s2. Localised for diff country's needs.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
Samsung also has a million different software versions to take care of and are known for abandoning products.

The US is simply apples largest market for LTE so they used a 700mhz chipset and dont want a different ipad for every country to have to maintain software and inventory for.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SeaWaLK:
In short Apple can't fulfil the needs of diff market cos they don't want to maintain software and inventory. And to think they charge a hefty amount for their products. I wonder why then ppl complain ASUS doesn't care about customers.

If Apple can't be bothered, I guess I will never buy their products anymore. At least other companies made effort to ensure their product works in their target markets. Owning 4g products that doesn't work is worse than prime without gps. Mind you, it's labelled as 4G here. What a joke.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
Until LTE chipsets become more universal you can expect similiar things from everyone. It will be like GSM before everything was quad band, or 3g before pentaband chipsets were available.

---------- Post added at 08:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 PM ----------

Here is a chart of the LTE frequencies around the world, there are 38 of them
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SeaWaLK:
Then Apple better sort out their problems because as more countries roll out LTE, they going to risk alienating everyone outside US LTE spectrums.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cozmo85:
Apple is at the mercy of chipset makers to support more frequencies with the same chipsets. It will come just like GSM and 3G chipsets did. Its just not there right now. Everyone is wanting the same thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] WhateverGetsTheJobDone:
Exactly! The Prime has the hardware I want and the iPad has the software I want. There is little enough overlap that I find two devices to be needed. The iPad will sit in its Alesis IO Dock and act as my music studio or come with me to class to take notes.

The Prime will sit in it's keyboard dock and accompany me to work and on business travel, and sit on my coffee table at home for browsing, craigslist, email, etc.

I am fortunate enough to be able to afford both, so I get both.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Just out of curiosity, I take it you do handwritten notes... Otherwise, you'd take the docked prime for taking notes in class, right?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Coderedpl:
I'm actually curious on this aswell.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joedeveloper:
Regarding the OP. Goodbye, have fun with your new iDevice. Enjoy it as a heating pad or george foreman grill.

Not worth the switch. No custom launchers, no homescreen widgets, ever heard of tablified.com? Prob not because you didn't check. How about the editors picks on tablet apps on play.google.com? No? hmm.

How about the fact that in Shadowgun on iPad it doesn't put in banners or other objects that move based on wind in the game? and Riptide GP there are no water splashes on the screen when landing on the iOS version? Huh Huh? What?

Didn't know that probably either because again you didn't research gameplay, apps or anything. You saw a new shiny device and were like OMG OMG.

/stepofsoapbox kthxbai
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
Nevermind about gps. But besides the browser issues, I noticed on my unit the area between the power button and light sensor the screen wasn't completely snapped into bezel. At least that I could simply push back in.

Have I thought about giving up? Yep.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kamanashi:
The higher resolution isn't that noticeable and iPads creak too, just sayin'.

Sounds like you got a bad unit or just came here to troll.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrkool44:
lol the reasons you list for prime > ipad are so lame...do you realize that # of normal people who use tabs for MOSTLY e-mail/web browsing/basic apps are FAR FAR greater than the # of nerds like you who care that there is no splashs in RIP TIDE ! boo hoo..makes me want to return my ipad 3 lololol

As far as the other things, I do agree that Andriod does some things better than iOS... I'm not saying iOS is perfect.

Bottom line:

iOS does 80% of things better than Andriod

Android does 20% of things better than iOS.

---------- Post added at 03:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:56 AM ----------

I had an Asus TF101. It creaked and felt like a cheap piece of plastic made in a small chinese village.

I had the Asus Prime tab...it felt much better made than TF101..but ipad 3's build quality is much better than prime...there's no discussion there.

No ipad I have ever touched in my entire life has ever creaked..

Higher resolution isn't noticeable in the ipad 3 ???? are you f**** kidding me? are you blind?

Please...go take a look at one at your local store...THEN come back to this thread...and post what you think AFTER you actually see it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] guthrien:
I'm having trouble reading on my Prime since buying the iPad 3. It's sort of readjusted how blurry I see pixels now which is annoying as I read just fine on it and my iPad 2 beforehand. I mean..not so much a real problem so to speak, but it's amazing how quick we become accustomed to evolution in tech. When I think of how much better some of the crappy Android tablets are to my Windows UMPC just a few years ago, it's insane.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joedeveloper:
The reasons I list? I pointed out a few of the many, if you want I can make a comprehensive list that lists things that are waaaaay better than iOS and iDevices, but I have better things to do then feed a troll.

You're not an Android Fan, you've posted 12 times. Never posted regarding owning an android phone or a Samsung Tab on these forums.

Go read the OP, go ahead because I know you didn't, "still only few apps/games for tablets", now re-read my post (sorry I have to guide you but you just don't seem like you would follow otherwise).

Lets talk about things that do matter, such as 8MP back cam and 1.3MP FFC. Who cares about Facetime when you have a VGA Quality cam on the 3RD GENERATION iPAD!?!! are you kidding me?!?!

Nice percentages, did you learn how to fudge numbers in high school? Or did that just come naturally when you didn't pass critical thinking skills 101?

You should really sit down and do a comparison... naw scratch that, just go back to being a sheep and gobbling up all the shiny new things from Apple. Where you:

Can't change your home screen launcher

You can't customize anything about the interface or make it your own.

You don't have live wallpaper (unless you jailbreak maybe)

You don't have widgets

You have a crappier back cam and ffc

Voice turn-by-turn navigation in google maps (phones, tablets etc. who cares cause you won't have it on your iDevice)

Nerd Talk - Switching apps is easier because Android keeps apps available in the background, one tap to bring up the list and one tap to open the app. Sure you can double click the home button on your iDevice to bring up recents but it doesn't have thumbnails to show the last screen, because iOS suspends any app that is not in the foreground... not really multitasking at all.

the "new" ipad gets warmer than the previous, and warmer than the prime, enjoy it getting warm while playing games!

Ah but who cares, you have a new iPAD! wow... kthxbai.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
Holy **** you have the new iPad? you must be the richest most elite person around your whole neighborhood I am blown away by your technical know-how to use a device that a 3 yr old can navigate. wowowowowowowo
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kingsrook14:
Check out http://m.gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3

New ipad is not as fast as claimed by apple....

But then again why are we talking of ipads...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smoothone:
Wow dude nice speech. Even with Androids issues as you describe, the android apps work together way better than iOS apps. That's embarrassing for an OS that has a three year head start!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Orion66:
agree in 101%
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smoothone:
If the giant iPod (toy) works for you and your wife then more power to you. If your even slightly serious about saying that most iPhone, iPad users are not Lemmings then I would say that is a Huge understatement. Most any Apple user would be easily classified as a (Lemming). You are only kidding yourself! I can even go as far saying that Ipads are designed for mindless Lemmings that are clueless as to how to operate anything. I know many Android users that are far from being tech savvy yet are incredibly content using the Android OS because it also just simply works! No need to have a technical degree to use Android.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gunner1937:
I am updating my previous post (#47).

Asus Customer Service sent me today, March 22, a reply to my email dated March 12.

I am grateful that Asus took its time to forward to me a thorough, deep, and elaborate answer.

I am a little bit frustrated because Asus, instead of answering my concern, teaches me how to download ICS through its web site if I could not get an OTA update.

Asus-moi-le.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smoothone:
Thank god that's just your opinion and not an actual fact. I dont get it why are most of you trolls hanging out in the prime forum waiting to glorify the giant iPod? Shouldn't you all be in the Lemming forums saying something like "Oh my god I LOVE my new iPad. I'm just as cool as everyone else." This thread is hysterical :~) Your moniker says it all, you are Mr Kool. I mean how could you be Kool without your new iPad :~)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
it's very possible he don't have either and is just a ****, or he could just be the average iDouche who don't get laid much and gets his rocks off coming in here and making people "mad".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
What worries me is that we are starting to get android fanboys, which are as bad as ios ones. That goes for Android in general, not just tfp.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
fanboys of android on an android forum? not sure whats worrying about that
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
There is huge difference between a fanboy and a person that chooses Android because it suits his needs better than ios. Now fanboy will choose android even if ios is better for him, and will defend it to death, and will call any other os crap disregarding that for other users it might be a better choice.

Sent through the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.