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[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
while your points and analogies sound good, there are definitely some flaws to your logic sir.

your first point, I would agree with you there about researching whether it is locked or not if it wasn't for the simple fact that Motorola themselves publicly and plainly stated that they would unlock bootloaders on their devices at the end of 2011 (have we seen this yet? I think not)

(and we are not asking Motorola to expose their process of making the device or any thing, we just want to CHANGE things of what WE OWN(see::personal property))

I would have partially agreed with your second paragraph had it not been for the car,analogy.

comparing the bootloader to an engine itself is ludicrous, the bootloader would be more like the alarm system on a car, which once YOU OWN the car, you are ALLOWED TO CHANGE our remove it if you like. The engine in a car(even tho I don't like this analogy at all) would be akin to the CPU chip in our device, which we aren't complaining about or saying moto should have put a better one in.

I agree, they do not have to give us ics and it is poor service on their end.

the fact is YES they DID advertise this device as a media playback device, hell, almost EVERY device they release they say stuff like "stream music and videos, upload pictures, blah blah blah" SO YES they did advertise that it can handle music, and even if they didn't, it should STILL meet INDUSTRY STANDARDS for related products, ALL of which (including OLDER devices) cab handle playing music nearly flawlessly, I my self wouldn't mind the occasional stutter inn media playback, BUT this is a CONSTANT thing that happens no matter what, even when I'm not doing anything else with the phone the music will strutter...

while I applaud you for "giving the other side of the argument" I, an going to have to completely disagree with nearly everything you said for the reasons stated above
[Motorola Droid X2] Superm@π:
Git 'em ash!

Sent using XDA app from my abandoned DX2 running CM7. In dragonzkiller we trust ;p
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
lol

thanks

tho I'm not trying to "get em"(well, maybe I am a little bit lol)

just engaging in "friendly" debate...

I most likely wouldn't have replied if those analogies weren't there, especially the one about the car, that one makes no sense at all, we aren't asking Motorola to replace our CPU, bootloader, or anything, we just want to be able to "replace our so called "engine" " that we OWN

a better analogy would be that of a laptop, and Motorola not letting us put Linux or windows on it if we wanted to, which is pure crap imho
[Motorola Droid X2] tkuligowski:
this thread is kind of jumping around, but someone earlier asked if there some kind of letter or something official sent to inform you of this. One would think they would send something official. Another thing I don't understand is what the FCC would have to do with an application that has pirated software. This whole thing just seems very odd.
[Motorola Droid X2] king..kranium:
Um doesn't the FBI usually handle piracy. The FCC must be Motorolas go to buddies since they phones are run with radio stuff...

Cyanogenmod
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
i dont have any documentations, all i know is they called my grandma and told her this, then all this crap happened but its all resolved now
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
I don't see the post by ghostof awriter but my reply. I purchased an x2. I paid for a whole phone. All of it. Not use of part of it. If I wanna smash it with a hammer I can. If I wanna change the kernel I should be able to. They are not allowing me full access to my device. Oh and we can lawfully hack our devices. Its 100% legal. So :p!

Sent from my SCH-I510 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
I was thinking the same thing

all these "quotes" that aren't really quoted correctly and I gotta skim the

whole post trying to find the part that's different lol

o well

delete one bracket and the whole post, looks messed up lol
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
^^ this = my thoughts in a nutshell

perfectly said motcher
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
And that's why we can't have nice things XD

Sent from my SCH-I510 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
Your grandma is too nice...I woulda laughed and hung up

Sent from my SCH-I510 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] LaserChicken:
I completely disagree with this analogy. What Motorola has done with the X2 (and other phones) is more like if a car manufacturer sold a V8 tuned down to the specs of a V6 and then locked down the ability to reprogram via the OBD--all the while NEVER mentioning in ANY marketing media, the aforementioned lock-down.

While I can agree that customers should research products before they purchase them, if a manufacturer obfuscates the details of a product, you cannot logically hold the customer responsible for overlooking data that has not clearly and concisely been made available by the manufacturer.
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
I would have demanded money or unlocking the bootloader for wasting my time.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
haha, shes 61 years old and on O2 so she was super worried and super freaked out, thats why my uncle got involved
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
MAJOR UPDATE: Resubmitted the complaint! :D

Thanks mate! I resubmitted the update following your steps. I updated the OP with the new complaint PLUS a link to your helpful post! :D

Let's see what Motorola does now and also let's hope more people submit a complaint!

Cheers!
[Motorola Droid X2] fakespamaccount:
My BBB complaint

I submitted a complaint which I think was a few days before yours, they have until 3/29 to respond. I will post any response I get. With enough of us behind this, we might just have a chance
[Motorola Droid X2] king..kranium:
So I managed to start talking to a Verizon costomer Rep and I'm pretty surebthey started recording me! I kinda freaked out and hung up...

Cyanogenmod
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
Why dont we take the 800+ dollar funds in BL unlocking and send it to Anonymous? lmao... I'm sure some of them would like the BL to be unlocked. If anything, they could probably:

a) Shut down Motorola.

b) Grab ALL the dev builds of Motorola phones and release for all of us in need.

.. Just saying. I'm going to HTC regardless, I bought the Motorola phone because I thought Moto made great devices, the x2 has proven me wrong :(
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I agree with moving to HTC, but the X2 didn't prove you wrong, Motorola's locked bootloader did...
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
I'm talking about the overall x2 experience(with the exception of those here on xda). I liked the device with the exception of Motorola's negligence. If not for a few select people, this would have been a piss poor phone to have in the Android world. c21johnson for grabbing the bootstrap, dragonzkiller for getting us CM7, and mastafunk for getting AOSP working. There are a few others to be mentioned, but those three were the guys to get us where we are today.

I guess I should reword the comment as the Motorola for proving me wrong.
[Motorola Droid X2] bijan588:
Never a moderola again
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
**********

Instant Poll Right Here: all in favor of the above THANK Peperm1nt now. Vote here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=24050622&postcount=71

Thread has 2,539 views. A view without thanking him is a no vote. :eek: :rolleyes:

Tally: nevermind :mad:
[Motorola Droid X2] Moon Shadow - NM:
Thanks to the updated OP. I filed this morning.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I hear ya, I just like to play devils advocate so I can get people to tell the whole story about why they hate this phone! ;)

This thing has so much untapped potential and they all helped to tap into that with the various things that they found for it.

It is too bad Motorola sucks so hard or this phone could have been one of the best of it's time, instead it turned into probably the most disappointing of it's time...
[Motorola Droid X2] unimatrix725:
BlapkMarket - Allows easy downloading of pirated apk

Is this app similar to Snappzmarket?

Do not know about snappzmarket. Honestly its a crap app (BlapkMarket). (no offense) I even used it when I got my first SE x10. There are better. I cannot see how it is illegal perse. However they do host the pirated apps on their servers. Go for Mobilism as users submit apps and links which then take you to various sites for the apps.

I am a firm believer in filing complaints with the bbb. It never crossed my mind about the phone. My new stance against Moto is I will from this point forward only buy "2nd Hand" goods made by them. Simply put buying it from someone else. I have even posted this fact in their dev forum also. It makes me really pissed when I think about all this. I bought my Sony X10 because they said they were unlocking it and did so about 3months after I bought it. Mot should rethink their stance with Verizon. After all Google was like a heavenly messenger with a gift to them. I remember before Android, and Moto Mobility would have been bankrupt or worse. Does anyone else remember what their phones were like Pre-Google? I am not referring to the buyout either. Google was truly their savior, and I cant wait till the merger is complete. Google has balls and more than likely will tell Verizon to go FCK themselves!

I would highly recommend making a call or sending an email to Moto. You can use that as your basis for the complaint as well as what Moto said to you also. You will get further faster if you have already tried to resolve the complaint with a business directly. Brings back memories....

I hate to say it but the "Blur" is not so bad. (Not a High Praise either!) They have done a decent job with customizing a stock rom. There are many improvements needed.

Sorry for the rant!
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
Do not know about snappzmarket. Honestly its a crap app (BlapkMarket). (no offense) I even used it when I got my first SE x10. There are better. I cannot see how it is illegal perse. However they do host the pirated apps on their servers. Go for Mobilism as users submit apps and links which then take you to various sites for the apps [/QUOTE]

illegal because pirated/cracked apps/blackmarket apps is illegal, it's stealing, everyone thinks"ooh it's only one or two dollars" but when you have 20,000 people saying that , then that's a lot of money taken out if the developers pockets that put time and work into their creation, /end rant sorry lol
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Thanks! The more soldiers in the battle, the better chance at wounding the Giant...
[Motorola Droid X2] Macguyver:
I'm now on my 5th X2, I just keep calling and *****ing every few weeks to verizon and making them replace them for fun. Screw it, I pay them a car payment every month for service and every X2 has the same issues. Music skips, camera is laggy, I can only shoot video in DVD resolution because it can't process the video fast enough for HD, random reboots, laggy sluggish screen response (particularly irritating when typing in a hurry no matter what keyboard I use), etc. I will give it credit for excellent call quality, problem is, this isn't a flip phone, I use it for media, lots of podcast downloads, I have to stream my music which skips less than storing it locally. That said, without Eclipse I would have paid hundreds to get another phone or get out of my contract a long time ago, the custom rom's have at least made the device decently usable. Unfortunately I still have most of those issues with a custom rom, just not as bad.

I'm on the HTC bandwagon as well. Soon as I can afford a used Rezound or once I hit my upgrade in september I'll look at the HTC options. I may switch carriers depending on how choked down Verizon has their new lineup. I had a fascinate before this and at times wish I'd of kept it, however I just really like what HTC is doing. The new One line they are putting out looks like an attempt to unify their product line which is something I think not only is it good for HTC but for Android. I can see HTC becoming the Apple of Android phones to a degree, having the most consistency between its devices regardless of the carrier while still maintaining the openess, customizability and freedom of Android allowing power users like all of us to enjoy hacking and changing the devices to meet our needs.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Man, the HTC one series looks very awesome! Another device, after Nokia Lumia 900, that gives me a nerdgasm! :p If it doesn't come on Verizon, I will be tempted to move to AT&T and ask big red to kiss my ass!
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
The problem with that is that as soon as Anonymous exploits a MySQL exploit, it's patched within hours and every server on the internet using it gets an update pushed to them. And no, Anonymous probably wouldn't be interested. They'll only do something if it'll keep people thinking of them as "grey hats" instead of the black hats they truly are. They rebel against "oppressive" (ordered) government and "fraudulent" (profitable) corporations to get their name up in lights.

The reality is that a large portion of Anonymous did what they did under FBI supervision to help catch the more radical and extremist members. True story.

/rant
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Something tells me you don't like them...
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
I don't know what you're talking about. They're my favorite!
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I can tell by the erection your avatar has... ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
Lol, glad someone finally recognized him :D
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
WAIT WAIT WAIT

Is that the Cialis guy?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
I believe it's Anthony "Oscar Meyer" Wiener, the disgraced twittering congressman. I'm glad we're only seeing him from the shoulders up. With that SEG he's got going, I hate to think what's going on down below!:eek:
[Motorola Droid X2] Drunkula:
Nah its the enzyte Guy...
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
How did my thread become a discussion of grown men's erect penises!!!? >.< :eek: :p

Anyway, still waiting on Craparola to reply to the BBB complaint! (I thought that was a nice name! :D)
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I think the erection thing was my fault for recognizing the avatar. My bad.

Also, +1 on the name, Craparola sucks. :D
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
didn't you know?!

x2 users are the KINGS of off topic banter!

huzzah!!
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I got it from you ash...
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
It's Smilin' Bob, the Enzyte guy!

Shame that Enzyte was nothing more than a vitamin supplement and they swindled millions of dollars from investors; I liked the whistling in their commercials.

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Pretty much this. I'm a mastuh at it.
[Motorola Droid X2] bijan588:
Complaint has been filed
[Motorola Droid X2] fakespamaccount:
No response

Moto has not responded to my BBB complaint, they sent a second notice and they now have until April 9 to respond. I'll keep you updated
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
I don't think Motorola is keen on replying to our complaints. So far, there have been 3 or so people in this thread, me included, who filed a complaint to Motorola. They seem to be getting an awful lot of complaints. And iBolski's correspondence with Moto seems to have raised some flags at Moto, because it definitely seemed a bit high profile with all those back and forths. So, may be Moto is being careful and trying to come up with a good response for us. May be, and I am being totally optimistic/slightly unrealistic, they are coming up with a fix to make us happy. Or may be, they decided to just stay mute.

Btw, what if a company decides NOT to respond to a BBB complaint? Any ramifications for them? Will BBB do something? iBolski, do you have any info in this regard?
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
filed :) lets see how this goes...
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
UPDATE! Directly emailed Motorola reminding them to reply to my BBB complaint

UPDATE: I have now directly emailed Motorola informing them that they have till April 5th, 2012 to reply to my BBB complaint. I provided them the case number and a few other terse words that hopefully leads to a faster response. Here is the email. I will update you guys whenever something new happens.
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Nope, no info unfortunately. Mine never got to the point. I believed though you have options, via the BBB, on what you would like to do next. Probably, they'll just try and refile the complaint, but I'm not sure since I never had to get that far.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
reference: http://minnesota.bbb.org/faq/complaints/
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Thanks, Ash!
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
Hey Guys! Just a tad bit of info. I actually talked to a tech person at Verizon who was really cool. He told me that the reason ICS was not released yet was that there was bugs in it. It is set to be released in the end of April. When it is released the bootloader will be unlocked!!! =) Another rep had stated that it is Google that it holding things back (thats news to me) and when it is ready to be released it will be,
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
...you realize it's April 2nd, right?
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
LoL. Of course I do. He told me by the end of april it should be resolved.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Sir, are you seriously trying to pull a Melvin on me? I already did an elaborate April Fool prank yesterday. If on the remotest chance that this is actually true I shall sh*t bricks!!! ;) :D
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
like litetaker said above, if this is true, I'll **** bricks, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
For some reason I don't think a tech at Verizon is the best source for this kind of information? Does Verizon develop the software for our phone?

This could just be a tech being "nice" trying to get us to stop calling them...

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but after reading the reply to iBolski and Moto saying that our device is not slated for ICS it probably would not come out that quickly. :rolleyes:
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
For the guy that called me sir, I am a ma'am, that is why my name is MischiefsMommy. =-) April fools prank posted yesterday?? Nope was posted about hour ago. Im 41 no time for pranks. =-) The tech person that I was talking to looked up the info in his email box. Had to dog for it since he forgot where it was. He read it to me. Basicaly there are bugs in the software and they are fixing it. Sould be released at the end of April and there will be unlocked bootloder. ztotherad make sure you have some really good lube ready this ones gonna hurt. ;-)

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Oh there was something I did forget to post. It is Google that is working on getting the software together. They are the ones that are working on it, didnt like the way that it was working and pulled it.

I know you guys probably think that I am trying to cause problems just by my name. Search my name and look at the posts that I have made you will see that I am not a trouble maker.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
I trust a vzw rep to know about updates,and bootloader info, about as far as I trust a dog to not eat my burger if I walk out the Room, just saying, hope they are correct tho
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Whoops! Sorry My Lady! :D

Hey, by the way, I did post an April Fool's Prank yesterday. I wasn't referring to your post, if that is what you thought!

Hey so now we have to women on this forum! MischiefsMommy and BreatheALittle. They have the same style of names too, two words concatenated! Cheers ladies!

And if you are indeed telling the truth, and IF our phone is gonna get a unlocked Bootloader, I SHALL **** bricks and I SHALL take a photo of it to prove it!!! :eek::eek::eek: (not to worry, it will be PG-13 :p)

But if you are lying, then, Welp, I've been Melvin'd again! I should know better, given my signature!

EDIT: Excuse me, Ms. MischiefsMommy, but why did you happen to post this?

Why were you bothered to ask both about the Droid X2 AND the Droid Razr? You must be having only one phone, right?

Just putting on my investigative Sherlock hat, and trying to debunk this before it goes outta hand and raises false hope (and, of course, as collateral damage, ruins the purpose of this thread of mine! :))
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
I feel sorry for your proctologist. LoL. Can you tell me how i can take a pic of my screen? When i shake it what i want to show you goes away.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
If you are asking the picture of the android phone's screen, then you must be rooted and you must install any screen capture app from Google Play. Each app has its own instructions and they will explain you how to go about doing stuff.

If you are referring to a computer (hopefully Windows) then press the "PrtScn" button next to the F12 button, go to Paint and paste it and save it. This should most probably work on Linux as well. Mac, I am not sure, but since it is sooo easy to use, you should probably already know this! :p :D

If all fails, take a camera. Click. Your picture is ready! :D :p

Hope that helps!
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
Oh yes i do.... here ill tell you the problem but dont get excited. I THINK im unlocked. I want to post the pic but not sure how. If i tryy the shake pic it closes.

There are other probs too. Just want the pic up first.
[Motorola Droid X2] zeb carter:
What about submitting a complaint to other agencies?

Would it do any good to submit a complaint to the Federal Trade Commission or the ITC?

My thinking is the more fronts this is addressed on the better chance we have.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
if i may ask, miss, on which phone? the dx2 or the razr? and also, did you do the command 'fastboot oem unlock' from a terminal? (either winblows or any linux distro)
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
I don't wanna disrespect you Ms Mommy, but I feel that an elaborate Melvin prank is on its way! :(

Anyway, if all fails, PLEASE take a pic of your phone's screen with a camera lying around! I wanna see this quick! I wanna **** bricks! :D
[Motorola Droid X2] trafalger888:
Something seems a bit amiss here but I would like to see this picture as well...I am a bit confused though ...you said to look at all your previous posts and they are in the RAZR forum....if you could enlighten us further I would appreciate it
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Hehehe, dude, may I ask why is it that these sort of "awesome" things always happen to unknown people? And why is it that they always have some issues when trying to present the evidence to us? Melvin had trouble uploading the file to the devs (and when he did, he uploaded the 2.3.5 leak!!!). And now Ms. Mommy is having trouble taking a screenshot to prove herself. Just saying! :rolleyes: ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] trafalger888:
Very very true...I guess I just don't get it nor what the fun in doing something like that would be...hey if that was said and it happens I will be the first person to apologize and say they were right and what not...have no trouble with that but this whole thing smells funny to me...and the comment about I think im unlocked really has me boggled...I mean people stumble on things all the time but.....
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
I'm not even saying anything

all I am commenting on is how to take a screen shot

get app screenshot ER2

turn it on

then there should be a button in pull down notification window (it's default settings, other ways to take it also available like shake or long press search)

just tap, that "take screen shot now" button and wait for countdown to end

then save and upload