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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] catherall:
Rooting your phone, getting S-OFF to install other Roms

Hello and have fun with your Desire Z!

Full instructions for HTC Desire Z and T-Mobile G2 Root and FULL S-OFF can be found on http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2

When you need support for getting S-OFF you can join the IRC channel #G2ROOT on freenode. Browser access on webchat.freenode.net . After joining the IRC webchat you can change to channel #G2ROOT using the command "/join #G2ROOT".

My favorite ROMs for the HTC Desire Z are:

* Virtuous Affinity 2.05: A little bit slow, but great experience

* Virtuous G-Lite 2.0.1: Very fast, some special software might have issues

* CyanogenMod 7.1: Great overall ROM, respectable speed and stable.

Try the ROMs and decide for yourself!

For backing up applications I recommend using Titanium Backup (Pro), for backing up your system you can use ClockworkRecovery and RomManager.

When you want to install more than one ROM on your phone at the same time then try BootManager (from Google Play). Might not work with all ROMs but is really good to try things!

Good Luck. :cool:
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] russianzilla:
Congrats on your new phone! The Desire Z is starting to show its age, but considering the developer base and the fact that you got it for free, I'd say you got a pretty good deal.

Personally, I like MIUI and CyanogenMod 7. CM7 is a classic, and everyone loves it for the degree to which it preserves stock Android, while adding on a few improvements here and there. MIUI, on the other hand, gives you a complete re-imagining of the Android interface, and it can be great to use. I find myself alternating between the two every couple months, actually. That's the beauty of the Desire Z, though: the widespread developer support means you get that kind of flexibility!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magic_android:
I agree that Cyanogenmod 7 is fantastic but for me, i could NEVER eliminate the constant battery drain issues that i had with it no matter what. I'd still recommend it to newcomers but i think simpler ROMs like G-lite or G2 Slim are much better.

I generally like to have a clean and consistent looking UI on any ROM that i use and CM7's styling seemed to always take a way from the stock gingerbread feel that i was looking for. That's my opinion.

Right now, i'm using Virtuous G-lite and now i know what it's like to have a really really fast phone xD.

As far as Sense ROMs go, my experience showed me that Virtuous Affinity 2.05.0 was the fastest and most stable out of all the Sense 3.* ROMs.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Igoritza:
After many tries, I decided to stay on G-lite mainly cause of the battery, but I would also like to give a chance to Virtuous Sense, cause it seemed (for a hour of usage) like a pretty decent ROM.

MIUI reppeled me with the iPhony look, that's sometnig I want to avoid in the future, even if it has only a fraction to do with rotten Apple. :)

The best option would be, if anyone ever creates it, ICS based system with the "strip-down" settings like G-lite. that I would like very much :)

Anyways, this phone is Awesome. I did not have a hype like this with any other phone, and as I stated, I had them all shortly after release (HD2, SGS1, iPhone 3G). The only thing that's bothering me is metal back-cover which I guess will be all bumpy in the future (I hate putting my phone in covers and skins) But I guess I could recreate it out of metal, since I am good with power tools and fine cutting of stuff, and like to do that kind of projects :)
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Edit: Oops. Wrong section. Mod, please delete!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _wheen:
What component of Android handles the permissions at runtime? IE: Facebook requires permissions to use GPS data, what component checks and grants Facebook's access to it?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _wheen:
Bumpity. Anyone know? Is it the Dalvik VM? Is it purely visual (Thus serving no functional purpose) for those viewing it in Google Play?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Awesome job. Hopefully, the more people complain, the more Moto and Verizon will have to answer less they wish to lose customers.

I've already tweeted to both that I'm looking for a new phone manufacturer and possibly, a new carrier.

I just might have to hand the torch over to you, now! ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] unt0uchable:
Can you post which Motorola you chose on the BBB's website? It seems that there are a ton of choices and I wouldn't want to pick one that no one's going to care to read. I will be filing a complaint as well. I bought this phone like 2 weeks after it came out and have had small issues ever since (until I learned that there are devs out there that care about the performance of a phone). Anyways, I'll be watching this for some direction. Thanks.

-David
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
First off, I updated the OP to include the actual Desired settlement. Secondly, BBB sent the complaint to the Business and waiting for a response by 31st March.

unt0uchable, I filed the complaint as for a cellphone or carrier. Then chose Verizon Wireless and then chose phone maker as Motorola. Apparently BBB sent the complaint to VZW :/

I hope VZW sends the complaint to Moto since it is they who really should respond but I really don't mind Verizon getting it either, since they too are major jackasses. But I suppose this is how BBB operates with regard to Cellphone complaints.

iBolski, how exactly did you file your complaint? I wanna know if what I did was right or wrong! Can you give the public link for your BBB complaint?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Mine went straight to Moto. I can't remember exactly how I filed it, but I don't remember filling it out with Verizon. Mine definitely went to Motorola though as that is who responded.
[Motorola Droid X2] :
I feel we are going no where with this, the phone is listed for $49.99 on VZW's website. I feel they want to get rid of the stock they have and completely dump this phone. I'm getting my Galaxy Tab 10.1 back from my dad to enjoy CM9 on it. F*$# Motorola

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at least with Samsung we have a decent CWM Recovery!
[Motorola Droid X2] Drunkula:
I'll probably drop Motorola altogether and end getting some other brand when I can. Money is beyond tight right now. :-(
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
Sorry for being anti-kill-Moto here but I have yet to hear of a great computer/phone candidate on vzw that has great call reception- as good as our phone.
[Motorola Droid X2] Superm@π:
I just told Verizon that they have until April 28th To figure something out with this phone And it's lack of updates and lack of ability to modify or I'm going to cancel my Verizon Wireless account my Verizon fios account and every Verizon account I have associated. ...... And I will if they want test me. The money is not an issue with me it's the principle!
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
At this point, that doesn't matter to me. From the reviews I've read, both the galaxy nexus and the rezound have pretty good clarity on voice reception as well as good signal retention as well.
[Motorola Droid X2] Drunkula:
Well I actually like the hardware. Just not to happy about the locked bootloader.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Got a Reply from Verizon

Well, I guess my BBB complaint may not have been as fruitful as iBolski's. I got a call from a guy at Verizon Wireless who talked to me on the phone for about 10 minutes. He acknowledged that my complaint highlighted the locked bootloader issue and the ICS update and said that he pretty much can't help it since Verizon is just the service provider. That sounds fair, and he did mention that the upcoming update may help solve some problems :rolleyes:

Anyway, he suggested that since I addressed Motorola as well in the complaint, may be Motorola also got a copy of the BBB complaint. Nevertheless, irrespective of whether they got the complaint or not, I plan to file a new complaint specifically directed towards Motorola. One thing that did strike me in the phone call is that it didn't sound as if Verizon is holding back Moto from unlocking the bootloaders. The guy posed it as if it is in the hands of Motorola and it is up to them to give it or not... So, when I do file a complaint directed to Moto, I'll try highlighting this! :)

Cheers!
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
thank you, sir! when you file the complaint too Motorola share how, sir cause i will follow suit
[Motorola Droid X2] Travisdroidx2:
Sorry guys I might of missed something but where and to who are you sending these too? I would love to do the same. Great job by you guys taking steps to help.
[Motorola Droid X2] imchairmanm:
Let's make a game of it: whoever can get Motorola and Verizon on the phone at the same time wins. I'd love to hear these explanations given in a conference call.
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Here's how to file a complaint to Motorola

Just go to the Better Business Bureau web site (http://www.bbb.org) and file a complaint (https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started)

When you get to the first screen asking about the business, you want to choose the following:

Is the business in US or Canada - Choose Yes

Your complaint involves a - choose cell phone or wireless carrier

Next, you won't see Motorola as a choice. On the right side of the page in the Help block, click on the search link to search for Motorola.

The first one (Motorola, Inc) is the one you want to select.

Next, a pop-up window will come up. Choose Headquarters as the office location. This is the information you should see for the choice you just made:

BBB of Chicago & Northern Illinois

330 N. Wabash, Ste. 2006

Chicago, IL 60611-7621

(312)832-0500

info@chicago.bbb.org

After that, you are on your way to file a complaint to Motorola. Remember, be civil but firm. Don't get nasty, don't make nasty threats but you can inform them that you will move on to other hardware if the issue isn't rectified. But, you don't want to name call, you don't want to curse. You want to be professional about it otherwise, they more than likely will not take your complaint seriously.

In any case, if other people want to file complaints, the instructions I outlined is the way I filed my complaint.

Good luck! Hopefully, everyone can make a difference and actually get Motorola to change their ways. At this point, even having an ICS release would be enough for me because at that point, CM9 could be compiled against a true ICS kernel as opposed to a GB kernel.

But, if no ICS comes, then unlock the bootloader. I guess for me, it doesn't matter. I'm moving on to another phone when my upgrade comes. I can't wait to get rid of this phone.
[Motorola Droid X2] Superm@π:
Just got a call back a couple days ago and they basically said the same thing to me as well

Sent using XDA app from my abandoned DX2 running CM7. In dragonzkiller we trust ;p
[Motorola Droid X2] king..kranium:
Yeah. Next person to get a phone call I want a name and quotations. So we can trap them in this silly circle of finger pointing. But to me it has to be Motorola because HTC unlocked and verizon sells them...

whoa look at that....
[Motorola Droid X2] king..kranium:
Just decided I'm filling against Motorola today.

whoa look at that....
[Motorola Droid X2] Macguyver:
I may have to try this. I've been calling verizon and complaining 2-3 times a week. Yesterday I was offered some new LG elephant phone or something as a replacement because its an equivalent phone, when I asked for the specs and was told it had a 3.1" screen I started laughing and said "um no, that is not equivalent by 1.2" inches." Then she went and talked to a supervisor and offered me the Droid 3, which is somewhat tempting, but I told her I wouldn't do anything until I checked into it.

I'm starting to believe that as great as verizon's network is, that because of the restrictions and other things that they impose on the manufacturers, don't expect to get a phone that has gone through enough testing to be fully baked. I'm not sure it exists on verizon.

Then again maybe all us hackers just are asking to much, lol.
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
I'll be honest I don't why you think this, 'cause I'm an ass sometimes :P

Thanks, though

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Pfft, who needs laws? I live in Florida, hasn't stopped me ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
yeah, im surprised were not, were a deep red state, unfortunately..

thats why everythings so much freakin higher in illinois; gas, cigarettes, beer, taxes, etc
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
haha, you definitely can be a ****, but its hilarious to read
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
I didn't get any PM.
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
Lol understand that! We're liberals here. We did not pay taxes and it's a clothing optional state.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
haha darn liberals, im fershur all conservative
[Motorola Droid X2] MischiefsMommy:
Life is so much better if you let it all hang out .
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Please for all that is good in the world don't flame political parties. I will kill myself with a block of cheese if that happens.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
block of cheese=constipation?

so youre not going to poop til you explode and splatter crap on everyone? ew
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
Don't know why you wouldn't have gotten it, but I sent you another.

Apologies for getting short with you. <3
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Lol that sounds much more dramatic than what I had in mind sooooo okay!
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
haha, well where were you going with it?
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Choking.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
thats not fun nor exciting, bro
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
UPDATE: [ON TOPIC] Chat with Motorola Customer Rep

Okay gang! Quite down in here! Stop mucking about. Okay, so I got some updates.

I was sick and tired of Motorola ignoring me, so I decided to poke the beast with a stick! :eek::eek::eek:

I ended up chatting with a Motorola customer representative and getting her to make a concerned rep to reply to my complaints. Here is what happened. Of course, sensitive info like name of the customer rep and my phone number are withheld as they are irrelevant to the matter concerned here.

So, here we go!

Of course, I reformatted the chat and corrected grammatical errors for readability.

Right now, I am patiently waiting for a response from said "supervisor". :rolleyes: :D :p
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
lets just hope this gets resolved and you dont get some 'canned' response that many have gotten
[Motorola Droid X2] Pandages:
I originally posted this in the April Fool's DX2 ICS thread, but since this is the real fight, I thought I'd re-post it here.

My BBB Complaint Story:

A month ago, I submitted a BBB complaint, and Verizon called me back 2 days later. I told them that I was unsatisfied with their responsibility to their customers when maintaining their phone OSes. I reminded them that the user community is happy to help them with betas, feedback, and even test builds, but that doing these sorts of tests requires low-level access to the phone. I made sure that the engineer with whom I was speaking understood the importance of unlocked bootloaders, and root-level access to the device. I pointed out that if Verizon and Motorola won't update the product, and the product doesn't work as intended (or in a sub-standard manner), then the users will take the efforts into their own hands and fix it.

I also pointed out that any proprietary code not released to Google (AOSP) for development and testing only slows the growth of the OS. We all understand that for-profit companies are afraid of releasing code (or even code snippets) because they do not want to help their competitors. Despite this, the Open-Source model requires a minimum level of reciprocity: If you implement our code, please release to us the important changes you make to yours.

After all that, my proposed resolution was to unlock the Droid X2 Bootloader, and to Update the phone to Android 4.0 (ICS). Failing that, I requested, begrudgingly, a full refund for my Droid X2 ($200), and the opportunity to upgrade my phone at the standard 2-year contract price.

The engineer took notes the whole time, and said he would convey my message to his management and to the other engineers. He said he understood how important timely releases can be, and how unreasonable it is to leave a phone neither updated nor unlocked (effectively abandoned). He offered me a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, for free, because it has an unlockable bootloader and runs a (nearly) stock build of ICS. I accepted this, and have been tinkering with it for the last 2 weeks.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Whoa!!! What awesome luck! Please divulge info so others may try to get a Galaxy Nexus too!!! :D
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
so maybe I, can get vzw to pay me back for my nexus I bought, or at least give me, the 300 they charge for it back since none of them would listen to me when I tried that multiple times lmao

oh well, Motorola owes me the money back imho anyways

I really hope, that many of you are able to accomplish something similar so I can see you all soon in the nexus forums

how awesome would it be to have everyone, and I mean everyone, in thus forum get a, nexus(without having to get rid of their x2) within a, month of each other :)

wonder if that would wake motos ass up lmao
[Motorola Droid X2] Pandages:
List of topics I discussed with Verizon.

There's not much else to tell. I spelled out everything I said there, only I was speaking off-the-cuff, nothing planned, so it probably sounded a little jumbled, but from the heart. Bullet points:

Motorola agreed to release ICS for the Droid X2, per Google's request for pledges. They have gone back on this, which is unacceptable.

Verizon is blocking the release of unlocked bootloaders, which prevents developers (some of us) and power users (all of us?) who would otherwise fix the problem themselves. "If they won't fix it, at least let us fix it ourselves."

Verizon includes their CDMA/LTE packages as closed-source APK files. This goes against the spirit of Open Source Software, and slows/prevents development.

Motorola includes proprietary drivers, kernel patches, and APKs as well. Most of this code is closed-source. More of it needs to be released.

Motorola's Blur interface is proprietary, closed-source, and not optional. It doesn't necessarily improve upon Google's work, and should be optional (preinstalled is fine IF AND ONLY IF it can be completely disabled or removed by the user). Portions of it should be released as open-source, for sure.

Motorola's battery status binaries have been broken since 2.3.4, battery status shows an artificial gain of approximately 30% when the phone is rebooted. This is unacceptable, and trivial to fix. They should have released a fix by now.

Verizon wants to test and verify each package released for their phones, at which point they inject the APKs (number 3 above), but this slows the entire process. They need a quick turn-around in launches. (for as long as patches take, they certainly aren't free of bugs)

Audio glitches: been here since Day 1. Pointed out that the glitches occur using any music playback app, so it is a system-level problem (could be kernel, could be build.prop, could be low-level binaries, no idea).

Droid X2 ruined two 16GB MicroSD cards on me. Two different brands, both respectable: PNY and SanDisk. Class 10 and Class 6 respectively. Cards mounted okay, but randomly stopped working after a crash. Lost all my data, twice.
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
i might just call up vzw and ***** and moan til i get my free gnex. thanks for the well thought out post as if i did call it would be all out of order and probably confuse both me and vzw lol thanks again
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Thanks for that info!!! Your remarkable success and luck at scoring a free gnex has inspired me to renew my attack against Verizon, which I pretty much left after the BBB complaint to them. I have now sent Verizon a tersely, yet politely worded email requesting them to make a person knowledgeable about Android and bootloaders to call me back to rectify the issues. Hopefully I can tell what you said and further our cause and get an appropriate and satisfactory resolution of the problem.

At the very least I may be able to coax a free gnex from them!!! :) :D :p

I will disclose the details of the email upon receiving a response from Verizon.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
THIS is LITERALLY one of the BEST posts I have read in a while on this subject

very well written, nice job, big thanks
[Motorola Droid X2] Elite49:
So you filed a complaint against Verizon?

*goes to BBB*
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
thats exactly what i did. lets see how this goes. im from NJ and where they are sending my complaint is literally like 20 mins away. i think ill go file my complaint in person j/k lol
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I think it is time for us all to begin this process again. We seem to be getting results, even if it is one person at a time. VIVA LA RESISTANCE! :p

OOOaaaa! OOOOaaaa! (Dying Giraffe sounds) :eek:
[Motorola Droid X2] Elite49:
Sent mine to Verizon in which I did mention how they never once have helped me with an issue (not lying) and my last phone 9 replacements later they refused to let me switch to a phone that wasn't already (within 6 months) put out to pasture. Hope they feel bad for me lmfao
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Attacking Motorola from All fronts! XD :D

Now that I attacked Motorola via BBB.org, an email AND an online live chat, I decided to complete the full circle by banging on their phone.

Phone call in progress. Details will be divulged shortly.

Current Status: Case escalated to a superior department. Call being transferred to concerned authority! :D

Call Ended! Full details below!

I have talked to the person I was transferred to. He refers to himself as the escalated customer support for Android devices or something. Told in detail how the phone is buggy and how there are several issues with it. How we will be benefited if we are given an unlocked Bootloader and how this is helping with competing phones such as HTC and Samsung phones. He said that the case will be escalated further up and be sent to the corporate office! (Yay, I am rising up the Corporate echelons of Motorola real fast!!! :D). He said that he would try to put me in a conference call with the higher ups and if they ask the call to be transferred so they can talk to me personally he would do so.

The guy was trying to tell me that you want to Unlock to install ICS, but that ICS will take time so that they can see if it works with the phone, etc. So, I am trying to install potentially destabilizing software. I replied by taking the example of the Battery bug. I said that for the last 2-3 updates, the Battery bug was present and not resolved. But a 3rd party developer fixed it in a week. So if you unlock the Bootloader, we will be able to resolve issues much more quickly. So it is not just for ICS.

Okay, the corporate office representative was forwarded the email and he acknowledged that he got it. He also noted that he will not be able to reply today. They said that I will be called tomorrow by the corporate office representative. I requested them to contact me tomorrow morning at the start of business hours as I will be busy through the day. He made a note of this request and assured that if I miss the call they will leave me a message or send me an email so that I can call them back at a convenient time!

This is by far the most productive contact I have had with Motorola or Verizon today. Though I told a lot of info to this gentleman, I am not sure he was able to capture all that and relay all that explanation and reasoning about why I want an unlocked Bootloader. So, I may have to reiterate this explanation tomorrow to the Corporate office rep, but thankfully I documented it here so I can easily refer to it!!!

Cheers!