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[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
We shall see, but I think older apps will just display in their native resolution rather than be upscaled. Where the "Retina" display will shine will be with text and photos.

I won't have time to video a proper comparison until maybe the week after the new iPad comes in, but I will show them both with a PDF, the XDA website, a 1080p video, and maybe Osmos HD or something. Any requests?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] eletro:
Maybe a side by side comparison under direct sunlight?:D
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] teiglin:
What content are you talking about? Certainly games for iPad2 will not be rendered at the full resolution, and it will probably be a while before many games are actually written for 2048x1536. Still, images and video--whose most common resolution nowadays, 1280x720, is already larger than the iPad2, not to mention 1080p blu-ray-sourced video--will certainly be able to take advantage. That's not even to mention the massive readability benefit for small text on web pages and documents.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to buy an iPad3 and I am never going to give up my Super AMOLED+ on my 7.7 until there is a WUXGA or better 8-9" tablet, but downplaying the benefit of a high-res screen just strikes me as foolish.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
I wonder if a 720p content would still look good on that really high resolution
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Last few week I've almost sell-off my iPad2 for a Galaxy TAB 7.7.

Now I'm stucked and in the same situation like lots of other people.

If Samsung could replace all their Galaxy TAB 8.9 & 10.1 LCD screen with a Super AMOLED FHD screen, then I'll buy 1. Until then, I'm getting the new iPad this weekend.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
I can only imagine the possible technical difficulties when making 8.9 and 10.1 SuperAMOLED screens, they are even having issues with the 4.65 on the Nexus, 5.3 on the Note. All are quality related issues.

Although I really hate the closed system of iOS, but after using my friends ipad2 for a week, Im starting to like the tablet specific apps it has as compared to andriod.

At least with IPS, I only need to check for backlight bleeding, though Im worried what will happen to the 720p playback of my files since they are now going to be upscaled.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
IMO, the New iPad's huge screen resolution is a cool idea and all, but for me, the 7.7's form factor and colour/contrast ratio are the biggest selling points (apart from NOT being Apple of course!).

I mean, if Apple is stating that a "Retina" display is determined by a ratio of viewing distance vs the ability to discern individual pixels, well then by that right (at least for me), the 7.7 already fit's that category under most viewing scenarios (again, for me).

In other words, under most circumstances, I already can't discern individual pixels on my 7.7 anyway, so just adding more of them isn't going to make a difference to me.

What does make a difference, is the superior contrast ratio of SAMOLED. Being that the New iPad's retina display is still an LCD, it is therefore very unlikely that it will be able to compete with SAMOLED in the contrast ratio department.

I suppose the ultimate display would be something of a hybrid of SAMOLED and IPS LCD, where you might have each individual pixel backlit by a single LED.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] mywingtophone:
obviously it's going to be the new ipad there is no contest. I love android thats why i have a the 7.7 but i also love the ipad infact ill be getting my new ipad 64gb 3g at&t and a white 16gb wifi for my wife.

With that insane resolution and a quadcore gpu with buttery smooth OS i'll be a one happy camper.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
For you, maybe. The pixels and rasterized fonts are quite visible to me on the 7.7 from arm's length.

Mind you, I quite like the 7.7 and am not going to get rid of it (Heck, I'll probably keep my now "old" 10.1). But, there will be lots of areas where it simply won't hold a candle to the new screen on the iPad.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Fair enough. I guess my point was that contrast, colour, and brightness are more important factors to me than sheer resolution. In that sense, especially with contrast, the new iPad display can't hold a candle up to SAMOLED+. Each one has its advantages I suppose.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] CBONE:
Web pages and flowable documents should look great, as should images. Video will have to be scaled or be too small. The algorithm for stretching video won't be perfect. Same situation as SD video on an HDTV. They won't look the way they were meant to be viewed (inferior IMO) and will need adjustments. Games will need to have the increased resolution taken into account or look crap when they get stretched. Apps will be in the same situation.

High-res is great when everything takes it into account or content that isn't resolution dependent. There is this assumption with ipad3 that everything will just automagically look incredible.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
Well, all of this is just speculation anyway. We shall see soon enough.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] holyrabbit:
7.7 : Super AMOLED Plus

ipad3 : Retina Display (same as Iphone 4)

7.7 : 1280 x 800 pixels, 7.7 inches - (~ 196 ppi density)

ipad 3 : 1536 x 2048 pixels, 9.7 inches (~264 ppi density)

7.7 : Single Core GPU Mali-400

ipad 3 : Quad Core PowerVR SGX543MP4

i think we should say (even it's hard) apple bite Samsung now *sobbing

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but i'm still loyal with my GT-P6800 :D

this is my first tablet and i love the size, the screen, the premium of silver metal back side
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
Its all about preference actually, both screen techs have their own strengths. Im only gonna base this with my experience on the Ipad2 which I borrowed from a friend.

Text quality on the Tab7.7 is can be quite horrible most of the time, pixelation is easily visible despite the pixels per-inch.

Contrast Ratio on the Tab7.7 though is great, blacks are deep but the white levels are lacking even compared to the Ipad2. I can also see more detail in pictures/scenes that are dark on the Tab7.7

White Tones , at any brightness level the IPS on the Ipad2 is superior, it retains a white shade at all times, unlike the Tab7.7 that can have either a greenish,yellowish or reddish push at certain brightness levels.

Viewing angles on the IPS are also better, there is no color temperature change but only brightness loss when viewing images with white content, on the Tab7.7 just a slight tilt shows a greenish tint.

Color saturation is something that's very subjective to the user as well, I find the Tab7.7's extreme saturation great for animated films but bad for real life films or photos.

Portability wins on the Tab7.7 while actual tablet usability apps goes to the Ipad.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Masterface7:
I think you forgot one

7.7 : Dual Core 1.4 Ghz CPU

new ipad : Dual Core 1.0 Ghz CPU

What does this mean? Just that the ipad has more tablet specific apps? Or that it has better apps?

I have played with my sisters ipad 2 a bit and there are some app holes I was struggling to fill.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
The new iPad has a quad-core GPU, however. Anyway, Apple vs Android pissing matches are the dumbest thing.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] tri0xinn:
if comparing the ipad 3's retina display to our 7.7's superamoled+ is like comparing my galaxy s2's superamoled+ to the iphone4's retina then I'm not worried about anything.. I've compared displays on my girlfriends iphone4 to my phone many many times in different situations and I'd call it a wash... I am though excited a bit about seeing the new Ipad display though. I do really like the Ipad/phone devices but this 7.7 is just about perfect. ICS and a better power/battery management would make it perfect.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Interesting, what does all the above postings have in common? It's about Color & their Contrast.

It's definitely must be the 2 of them, after all what's the definition of a COLOR screen?

In the last 4 years before last Octocber 2011, I didn't buy 1 single Apple mobile device. Why? because the COLOR on their screen are so bad, so wash out to me. Red, Green & Blue look so mild in color, Black look like deep grey when the screen light up. The kind of color that iPhone, 3G, 3GS, iPhone 4/4S and iPad/2 reproduces did not excite my eyes & reached my viewing pleasure. Whether Apple iOS are open or close, yes it does bother me, but not too much. It's the screen color quality that really distance me far away from any Apple mobile device. That's also the reason I've distanced myself from HTC too.

But for my iPad2 case, it went complicated with thing happened below.

1. Because the tyrannic Steve Job just dead, my wife wanted to buy an iPad just to remembrance him.

2. Sometime before Oct 2011, whoever consult my opinion about buying a tablet, I'd said, buy iPad2 only.

3. It having a screen that was not too bad.

Yes I must admit, iPad2 it did very badly in usage freedom especially in file sharing internally or externally & screen quality, but overall it represented the best designed & chicness Tablet. It was the coolest tablet that you can bring around and the best money can buy. It had make me reaches my pocket to fork out my hard earn money to buy one 5 months ago, now the new iPad are doing it again.

Btw, think some has overlooked iPad2 screen spec. It was using a LED backlighting IPS TFT-LCD screen, not just the old CCFL fluorescent lamp backlight LCD screen.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] lanceot:
Apple's ecosystem is about ease of use, not such much on customization and open source stuff as many on XDA would prefer. I am a big Apple user and if there is one thing I hate, it is the glossy screen on everything...and this isn't just Apple.

Regarding, 7.7 vs iPad 3, give it time people... content will follow very soon. I think if gaming industry is putting exclusive great games on it...this would be the next paradigm shift...ebook on the new display would also be interesting...we'll see if this helps Apple take a big bite into Amazon and B&N's share.

As for hardware spec comparison, ipad's new resolution will be hard to be for the next year or may be... two. I could careless about faster processor beyond 1GHz on tablets at this point because most current apps aren't that complicated yet. I think Battery life is more important than processing power for daily casual usage as most tablet users tends to fall into.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] mywingtophone:
Read the review here on the new ipad

http://www.slashgear.com/new-ipad-review-3rd-gen-14218465/

quoted " Showing a gallery of images in iPhoto, the slate sometimes looks like a mock-up with a printed, high-res image rather than an actual display, it really is that good. Viewing angles are as broad as we’ve come to expect from IPS panels, no matter which direction you’re looking from, and colors are as rich and saturated as AMOLED"

It's really very impressive i might say. I'll take some hi res. pictures after i received it tomorrow for comparison.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] f1ux:
I have an ipad3 turning up tomorrow so will try and take some photos comparing it with the 7.7 and sgs2
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gaugerer:
I wish people would not make general statements about devices based on their individual experience like the one above. Comments such as these with no supporting statistical evidence are simply sound bites.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] sladeywadey:
Welcome to the Internet I'm afraid.. Always take what you read with a pinch of salt! :)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
My personal experience needs to be supported with a statistical evidence? :eek:

If i find the text quality horrible, why would you care so much? A lot of people are complaining about the font sizes and not just me.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
Throw my opinion on the statistical analysis pile also. The text is too small. It's not a problem for my (relatively) young eyes but it's obvious that Samsung didn't work on fonts very much for the 7.7, but just shoehorned a larger display in by taking advantage of the screen resolution.

I think when people like a device then they tend to get apologetic about its shortcomings rather than just acknowledging them. See the hordes of Apple "fanboys" who always have to couch discussion about the merits of Apple vs Android in weird superlative terms.

Anyway, where is that damn FedEx truck with my new iPad?!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] jonamafun:
So I picked up my new iPad this morning and have had a bit of a play.

There is no doubting the new iPad screen is a gorgeous device with a very nice screen. Is it as 'wow' as reviewers make it out to be? I think not, but it definitely is an improvement from the iPad 1/2.

But it really is a case of the specs telling the story when comparing the SGT 7.7 to the new iPad. The biggest difference between the 2 is with text viewing, and specifically with webpages. The extra screen real estate of the new iPad coupled with the extra pixels makes reading webpages designed for desktop monitors very easy to do, even in 'overview' ie. fully zoomed out. The SGT 7.7 struggles because obviously it has to cope with less of both.

My primary test page was www.theage.com.au. It's not to say the SGT 7.7 is unreadable - far from it. It's just that you would automatically zoom in via double-tab to whichever part you wanted to read. Compare this to the iPad where such zooming is unnecessary.

I must admit that the difference was much less, albeit still significant, when I switched the stock Honeycomb browser for Dolphin HD.

Viewing videos on the hand heavily favour the SGT 7.7. Color and contrast are obviously strong points of the SAMOLED, and it still comes out on top despite what some WSJ reviewer might think. Think of the arguments used when comparing Plasma and LED/LCD TVs - they pretty much apply here too. Side by side, the iPad looks washed out and lacking in color. Blacks are obviously not black due to the nature of LCD lighting.

The pixel advantage of the iPad when viewing videos seemingly becomes irrelevant due to the screen size. And there is of course the obvious benefit of flexibility when it comes to the SGT 7.7 - you can pretty much load up any video you want and it will play with hardware acceleration. I have a much harder time getting videos to load on the iPad, and when they are compatible they typically seem to use software rendering and then the framerate just drops to buggery.

All I can say is if Samsung come out with a SGT 10.1 with 1080p SAMOLED Plus and some decent horsepower, then I will be there in a heartbeat.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
I can only begin to imagine the possible horrors of a 10.1 AMOLED based screen!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] pikulu:
Hey jonamafun, can u upload a pic comparing both new ipad and 7.7 showing the same photo at full brightness?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] dawgfan:
Got my new iPad this morning too. The display is very, very nice.

To compare the two devices as a whole isn't fair - they are too different. I love both. The iPad screen is as sharp as it has been billed. The 7.7 is no slouch either.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] teiglin:
I don't disagree that people tend to defend their devices beyond the point of reason, and you may even be right that Samsung was lazy about the font size (ICS will hopefully bring the built-in size switcher, which really should be there already). I think the main issue is that for the resolution and screen size, HDPI would be more in line with the font size on most android devices. This would make fonts about 10% bigger than on a 4.3" WVGA screen, which is more or less standard, whereas at MDPI, fonts are a good 25% smaller.

Personally, I remain steadfastly happy with the size--I run my GS2 at MDPI and my Nexus at HDPI because I think the default fonts are too big. But Samsung probably made a mistake with font sizes that I like, since mine are clearly different from the mainstream.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Just got my new iPad 32GB + 4G+ WiFi yesterday in 5mins time with 0 queue.

Over here in Singapore 0 queue almost everywhere, for those who didn't opt for desperately must have it earlier than others, which 1 network operator M1 start selling it at 00.01 hour early release at Paragon shopping mall branch, and only for new 24months data plan contract sign-up.

I've must admit although the screen was better but it was not too impress, when compare to my old iPad2. Comparing to Samsung Galaxy TAB 7.7 and my 2 Galaxy Note Super AMOLED screen colors are still way better than Samsung Retina LED screen in new iPad, black are not as black, the same goes for others color too.

Now I can't wait to see a Galaxy TAB 8.9 or maybe a 10.1 with Super AMOLED FHD screen. When they are actually release to the market, I'll definitely trade off my new iPad for them, even if they going to release in just the next few days. Anyone see how desperate, how craving and how much I am really appreciating a better color screen? New iPad screen definitely not one!

The apps support are also at mercy. Only 29 apps so far are available for the new iPad resolution, and are mostly paid apps. iPhoto are not free too, it's my mistake for wrong impression thought it was free.

My Singapore favorites apps, Zaobao News PDF scanned version are at worst experience. All texts and pictures are there continously jumpy to scale up to the new resolution whenever I scroll, zooming or even touches the screen. Oh my god.. it look horrible and I'm terrifying. Hope Apple or Zaopao or anyone can come for this rescue. It's 100% dead using this apps in new iPad, at least for now. If there's no solution for it and my suspect for other apps too, I might just trade off my new iPad ASAP for a Samsung Galaxy TAB 7.7.

Damn it. Only less than 1 day with the new iPad, I am already feeling not that excited and thinking it's not worth it. Maybe I will try my best to hold on to it until Samsung releases Galaxy TAB 8.9/10.1 with Super AMOLED FHD screen.

Hey Samsung please say, "We've heard you. Your wish granted. You'll be getting them next week, the worst next quarter." And I'll say, "Here's my order, I am on 1st queue worldwide starting today. Here's my money first, at full amount of course."
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] eel316:
Have not seen the ipad 3 screen in person but from what i can see in the video

http://www.slashgear.com/infinity-blade-ii-1-0-3-retina-quality-review-16218833/

The blacks look grey (compare the black bezel to the screen image) and colors looked washed out as compared to the screen on my galaxy note. Dont think i can ever go back to an lcd panel after using samoled despite the super high resolution.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] DaveC1964:
They haven't used flourescent bulbs in handheld devices since the 1900's. All portable devices such as game systems (DS, PSP, even GBA)Cellphones, PDAs (when they used to make them) , tablets, always used LED backlighting. They had to due to size and battery life. No Apple iPad ever used CCFL. The only "portable" devices that used CCFLs until recently were laptops. That is because the battery capacity was enough and there was room in the bigger screen.

That said, I have a Retna based iphone 4. To me the resolution is overkill. My eyes aren't microscopes and it isn't that big of feature to me. Sure it is nicer to have it than not but I wasn't like freaked out about it. I would MUCH rather have better blacks, more saturation, and response time than microscopic pixels. For a larger screen like an ipad it probably makes more sense though.

I had an iPad 1. It was nice and I think the apps on it are superior to Android. There are just more polished higher end apps for it. The music , astronomy, science, and graphic productivity stuff on iOS is far superior. I am not sure why, I guess they just have a better developer base. Games I don't really care about, that is what the 3DS and Vita are for. I can only play so many swipe games and Angry Birds.

The thing I hated about Apple (and still do) is their brutal control they want to have over "my" apps and how I used the device. You need to install itunes on any computer you wanted to use with it and everything MUST go through itunes. Then they would do things like "optimise" my photos for me even though I didn't want them "optimised" (basically what they did was res down the photos and jpeg compress them more, it made my photos look like crap). Plus they refuse to put an external memory card slot on it and any customization of the UI etc is minimal. That was incredibly irritating to me. The system was just too closed for my liking. I always had the feeling it was Apple's device and I was just borrowing it.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
I too crave for the 10.1 FHD SuperAMOLED screens but we all know whats gonna happen, though I think its possible to see it late this year.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gaugerer:
The wide screen format of the Samsung tablets is better than the iPad for viewing two applications running at the same time as on the 10.1 running ICS. The extra PPI on the new iPad is not so important now that the viewing on tablets like the 7.7 is so good and the extra PPI may be an overkill for most applications. With the addition of the S-Pen, viewing of two applications running together, the better colours on AMOLED then the iPad is no longer way ahead of the competition and may be even falling behind.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
Colors are not 'better' on the Tab7.7 but its more saturated, it being 'better' is purely subjective on what you see. Other colors are actually skewed a bit on the Tab7.7 like some shades of grey already look a bit greenish. This results in walls or roads in movies/pictures looking mossy. Blacks are the only real ace that superamoled has, response time is moot the quoted 0.1ms still shows image trailing of texts scrolling from websites while its not that obvious on the Ipad.

I actually like the PLS screen on the Galaxy Tab 10.1, wish samsung would release a 10.1 tablet in fullHD resolution and also up their ante on the tablet specific apps.. even their yahoo messenger functions like crap compared to the ones in the ipad.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] reiconol:
I had a play with the new iPad today and came away pretty unimpressed. First the screen - no way near as nice as a iPhone4/S. Apple applying the retina name to the display made me think it would be as sharp as the iphone, but it isn't. I zoomed out some text in the browser to as small as it would go and I could see the pixellation. Apple should not be calling this display a retina display. The iphone4 has 326ppi, the new ipad has 264ppi (according to wikipedia) which is significantly less. More than a GT7.7 but not as high as the Note. 20% less ppi is alot and visible.

Second its heavy. In the hand its as heavy as the ipad1. I could never get used to holding the ipad1 for long periods of time, its just too tiring.