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[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
I must say, whether subjective or not, the more saturated, vibrant, lively and vivid colors always catches the most people eyes ball, that's second to none.

Just like LED TV, only review expert and extremely minority of consumers will actually be checking how every colors is performing. You can see absolutely almost no one is doing that over electronic store TV department.

Btw without any disrespect, the PLS screen colors was the only reason I've ditches or against for buying the Galaxy TAB 8.9/10.1. The rest of the performing mediocre like Touch Wizard UI smothness or screen touch response didn't bother me too much as I always preferred an Android device, except they come with a bad colors screen. I have think even Motorola Zoom and Asus Transformer or the Prime colors are doing better than Galaxy TAB 8.9/10.1 PLS screen.

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Yes agreed with you, iPad was heavy and I always complaining i couldn't hold it for too long.

BUT, iPad was the most coolest mobile gadget Of all brands including any Apple other products. How high was the screen ppi was not the most essential/crucial element for the most people buying into it, worldwide.

Nowadays, I have come to compromised since it was that heavy, I'll treat it like an ultrabook (ultra light laptop). So now I'm placing it on whatever surface I could find just to off load the heavy weight from arms to that. With that thinking in mind, I'm having less complaints about the iPad weight anymore.

Btw beside the size, Galaxy Note or TAB 7.7 was way better than an iPhone 4S. They're not only provide better functionality & features in overall, they also provide better viewing distance under the angle of view law. With both Galaxy devices, users don't have to stick them up close to the eyes like most of the iPhone 3/3G/3GS/4/4S users do.

Most of my friend with an iPhone's did that, and now some of them complaining about eyes ball pressure or eye sight issues. Perhaps myopia found them? Maybe but I don't know..

Viewing distance calculator for your reference

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Astrix Ashburn:
I bought Tab 7.7 at Mobyshop FarEast one day before official launch date.

Satisfied with it. Trade in price there is good as I compare to other shop.

Sell new Tab 7.7 SGD$735

New iPad trade in SGD$970

I believe you already know about MobyShop
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] mazlan:
The so call Super AMOLED screen colors are SOOO bad to me and it does not had the same standard on all device..

To me, it seem like thay Adjusted the Color and Contrast.

I still prefer to view photos from iPad/iPhone device.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
I cannot agree to that, not in a million, especially any iPhone or iPad/iPad2.

Well new iPad screen was a whole new story. I'll called it watershed between it and any older iOS devices. I might hold on to it for a bit longer till new Galaxy TAB 8.9/10.1 with Super AMOLED FHD or any other much better color screen.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] mazlan:
My preference still gies to iPad for viewing the photos..

As up to date, for me still goes to ipad or iphone.

I dont like those fake contrast and super color, it is jot the same as what i seen on actual photos
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] valvolux:
I went to the store with my wife yesterday with the intention of looking at ereaders...shed broken her kindle and wanted a new touch screen one. i was hoping to convince her to get a 7.7...in oz it only comes as wifi and the 16gb model was the exact same price as the 16gb ipad 3. first off i have to say i was less than impressed with the 7.7...it was soooo sluggish. I would hopefully fix that...but it was hands down the slowest android experience ive seen since my lg optimus one. the screen looked about par with my gs2. but we got kobo open..and the text was noticably less sharp than my sgs2 but passable for reading. so as much as i wanted the 7.7...i couldnt bring myself to buy a tablet that was so jittery. am keen to see if ics fixes this...but if the gs2 update is anythin

g to go by i doubt samsung is up to it. but look forward to your opinions when it is updated cause the form factor of the 7.7 is just about perfect compared to the bulky ipad.

And just on the new ipad...i will never buy one because i hate the apple ecosystem...but the new one to me looks only a fraction clearer than the ipad 2. they were there side by side..and whilst yes text looks clearer...it was well below the game changing experience i was expecting. but i guess you can make a mundane os like ios as clear as you want...its still mundane. you really had to look hard to notice the subtle difference. the difference between the ipad 3 and the 7.7 is even less noticable than the iphone 4s and the gs2. at the end of the day we picked up a kindle touch. will wait and see if ics solves the 7.7s obvious performance issues on honeycomb.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
I had a chance to compare the Tab10.1's screen to the TF201 and I found the PLS a bit better in terms of color saturation and white tones, though it has a more 'glossy' black compared to the TF201. It was a launch date Tab10.1

I too prefer andriod devices, wish samsung released the 11.6 together with the ipad3, though having 2560x1600 resolution will make even more fragmentation on the market. Right now Im out of options, Im returning the Tab7.7 due to the issues it has, I didnt take a replacement yet as the ones they had on the store had the same issue.

Right now Im really confused on what to get, I kinda want the new ipad for its really great tablet specific apps but at the same time the aspect ratio of the screen is not favorable to movie playback and portability is out of the question. The Asus transformer prime is riddled with issues.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] mazlan:
As a photographer, I want to see the true color and contrast, Ipad and Iphone does show me the true color and contrast.. Basically what u see is what u get.

Unlike the device state here, it is good and look nicer with the pump of color and contrast, but than again, it is way off base on the photos seen on the actual and from the decice state here.

Im not a fans of both.. I buy what I like and what I expected it to be.

For some reason, apple had a good result in viewing the photos.

I had a monitor calibration to calibrate the color etc of my monitor.

So, the actual photo on my computer / print-out are 99% the same.

Unlike the device state here, it is way off!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Didn't come to reliaze that. In your opinion does the new iPad Retina screen more saturated colors suit your need too?

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I'm kinda agreed with your type of usage.

Anyway, I like to point out a different point of view to your fake contrast and color. Maybe one should regard that the colors on Super AMOLED screen are like you putting a sunglasses with all the UV and IR totally filter out, thus bringing us the more saturated colors result. Other screen type does not have this ability. Btw, have you ever taken a photo with UV IR filter put-on your camera? If you did, you know what I'm trying to say above.

Just like a LED vs. Plasma screen TV, all of us know at the end of the day everyone chooses LED TV anytime, anyway. Over saturated or fake colors? Who care, our eyes ball don't lie to our mind, satifaction and demands.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] GOF007:
I dunno that hardware can be Over saturated.

For me good display mean it can display brightness color contrast etc~ as much as possible and as wide as possible with accuracy.

Over saturated or not is about software optimization.

It is understandable why some people look at SuperAMOLED as over saturated probably because almost all displays we ever use so far are under saturated(their color space is so limited and do not cover all colors)

For easier understanding, comparing 10w speaker and 1000w speaker (only in term of loudness). The 1000w can go very loud (too loud in some case) but it can also play sound at the same level as 10w speaker while 10w speaker cannot play as loud as 1000w speaker at all. But in the end the Amplifier control how much power to those speakers.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
True, hardware has nothing to do with how saturated the colors are its all about the color profile on the device.

Color Gamut != saturation

Speaker analogy? lol!

For a more easier understanding, take a picture of a rose and display it on a calibrated monitor and you would see the colors on the petals are as red as the ones you see in real life and the greens are natural, display the same image on a SuperAMOLED device and the reds are deeper and the greens just pop out, thats where the over saturation comes in, its not entirely a bad thing if thats your preference but some people would like a display that is closer to real life colors, which cannot be provided by the current color profiling on the superamoled display.. the added saturation also burns down OLEDs faster thought this will only be an issue for those who keep the same devices for more than 6 months.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] exceptional:
"oversaturation" is just a stretching narrow sRGB (or other) gamut to a device hardware gamut. And the speaker analogy is quite good. So we need something like "voodoo project". Then we have right LUT for sRGB. The same thing occurs with Mitsubishi laser tv when natural hardware profile used instead of sRGB or other used in HDTV.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Yes you're right too. I saw frustration with a guy who sticked to his rule of thumb sometime ago at a store. Well it's all boiled down to individual preference at the end of the day. Isn't it?

Maybe whoever dislike anout Super AMOLED screen should take an approach, try to make your self come to think of the colors on a Super AMOLED screen are like,

1. You're putting on a sunglasses with all the UV and IR filtered.

2. The photos are taken with a camera setup with UV & IR filters mounted, HOYA or Tiffen. (Cokin still in business?)

With that thinking in mind give us more saturated colors result. Of course doing that you'll not able to get the rose color gamut no longer true to a calibrated monitor color profile, because they didn't set-up the color profile that way.

If that approach didn't help at all, on a Samsung mobile device and goto Settings > Display > Screen mode, and choose "Movie". That will help to change the color gamut or over saturated profile to lower setting.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gaugerer:
One of the big problems with the iPad screen is it's reflectivity. In bright sunlight it behaves almost like a mirror and increasing the brightness just makes it overheat without any improvement. The Samsung AMOLED screens are easy to read in bright sunlight because of the high contrast and bright colours which makes possible to take pictures, videos, web browse and read books outside. No contest, the 7.7 screen wins hands down.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] pikulu:
All of us know that ,when it comes to contrast and saturation the 7.7 wins undoubtaly.But when it comes to resolution and natural real life colours, the ipad shines with the retina.As per my own personal experience i have seen a lot of people liking the samoled like hell, but too have seen so many people loving true real life colours.So it narrows down to personal choice,no need of fighting for which is THE BEST!

I am yet to see the retina on ipad, but as per the reviews from engadget,slashgear etc the new retina is the best display ever made(obviously among the ips displays).

Even thay say that its saturation is 44% more,is this true guys?

I was in a mood of buying a galaxy tab 7.7 because i love the samoled plus alot but after reading the HORROR screen issues like burn in ,circles,uneven brightness,different lines i thought that its better to buy the new ipad, because its still has the best display besides the tab 7.7.I can live with the super hd real colour producing display but cant stay even a minute with a faulty display!

As i said that i love the samoled so much, so buying a note or the upcoming s3 looks like a wise choice :D and for tablet ipad will be my next buy.

Buy whatever screen based may be the tablet,both displays are made by samsung :D ,so a THUMPS UP for samsung for making worlds best displays!

Those who have new ipad,guys how is its saturation different from ipad2,transformer prime?Is the claimed 44% more saturation real?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] GOF007:
@pikulu

Some reported that new ipad display also suffer some screen problems such as light leaking, yellowish on some part of the display (like what happened to iP4).
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] pikulu:
yes, me 2 have heard this but the percentage of faulty screen on new ipad is about may be 10%,but the percentage of screen issue with tab 7.7 is about 90%.

You just cant save your amoled screen from burn in whatever u do! !Plus other soo many issues. . . . .

A samoled would last for about 6-12 months, but an ipad would last for years! !

And now for the faulty screen of new ipad, u can go to any apple shop or anywhere else and can search for a good screen as its not a big deal, and i guess 9 out of 10 tablets must be good :)

But for tab 7.7,all are the same and 99% screen(as some people too claim that still after 1year they dont have any burn in) will have burn in! !
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
90% is a very conservative estimate, I'm leaning towards 99%.. ever notice how not a single person was able to post their so called 'no-issues-what-so-ever-screens' because they are now starting to see the discoloration issues and burn-ins.

I've also read a lot of complaints about the Ipad3's screen and Im just hoping that the problem will resolve it self with batches made 2-3 months from now. Honestly after using an iPad2, I no longer find andriod tablets that good, though andriod phones are still better.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] pikulu:
Yes you are right,samoled is full of issues!!

Me too found the ios more fluid and faster but i still hate this because of itunes,no micro sd,no widget etc. . . .

I am also waiting for a good batch of ipads ,hopefully i am goona buy this soon :)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] questionmark:
I'm sad I bought a crappie device and there is no chance of getting a proper replacement because 99% are faulty anyway...

But strangely I enjoy it very much... The circles I see only in my bed under my cover low intensity down, and with screen filter I barely notice screen discoloration were the status bar is...and keep checking....to see circle takes me 10 seconds in total pitch black so my eyes adap from a screen solid gray to black (lcdtest) with status bar hidden.... Doing picture of it would require a good cam at 1.5 sec exposition iso 400? And all this watching a boring black screen...

I saw pictures of ipad3 bleeding that I really doubt they needed a 1.5 sec exposition though I'm not an expert in pictures... But they will get it right...

Now I would go for the Ipad because Samsung software support and update policy is a joke... Fortunately there are DEV cooking amazing ROMS... If you don't like the stock software of SAMSUNG don't go for it as someone stated... And I see myself no longer buying Samsung because of that... But not because of circle on SAMOLED in the condition I currently seem them.

Enjoying reading on GT6800 XDA style premium, free, simple (black) without Circles.

What I enjoy less is launcher screen re-draw upon exit once in while...

Rendez-vous in 6 month...

Sorry I had to say it....
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Different by a lot, perhaps 44%?

Yes It is true, even it color saturation not as high as Super AMOLED screen, now I'm more happy to watch the photos and videos on my new iPad, when compared to my old iPad2. It was better all the rest of tablets screen, comparable Galaxy TAB 7.7 in term personal preferences liking.

Btw, not that iPad2 was very bad for photo or video, it's just like one of Steve Job classic moments & words, "just try avoid using it that way." I never had a will spending a bit more time watching photo or video files after purchased it on the last few months.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] NewForce:
Strange the same screen things does not happened on my 4 units Galaxy Note, a Galaxy S Super AMOLED screen. Some of my friends still carrying GS1 after almost 2 years with no problem too.

For Super AMOLED Plus screen, I had a GS2 for a 5 months and some of my friends still having it does not having an issue on the screen. Perhaps problem only occured on the Galaxy TAB 7.7 with large Super AMOLED Plus HD screen? If that was the case, count myself lucky as I've almost trade off my old iPad2 for a GT7.7. Think give Samsung sometime, they might figure it out how to solve the SA-Plus screen problem.

For the time being, let's (me) sticked with Galaxy Note for Smartphone usage, new iPad for tablet usage. Last but not least, the most chic/fashion devices impression for both. ;)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] DaveC1964:
The "super color" can be turned off on the 7.7 by selecting "movie" in the settings. It then becomes more LCD like.

People knocking the display as "too saturated" is silly when there is a simple setting to avoid it. It is like saying a certain amplifier is bad because it goes too loud. Turn it down!

That said the ipad is fine. I just hate the closedness on Apple stuff. iTunes is annoying. If you don't mind it go for the ipad.

Does iTunes still "optimize" photos when transfering to the ipad? What they did (and you couldn't shut it off) was reduce the resolution and jpeg compress it more. The result was the photos looked like crap.

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They just chose a reliable standard and made it the best they could. LCD is not without fault either but is tried and true and there are low risks and less defects using it. They didn't want ipads being returned in droves due to screen defects and burn-in.

I have a 7.7 and I like the OLED tech but I think it isn't quite ready for prime time yet. They aren't good enough at manufacturing them yet. There should be no black circles on the screen and no un-even brightnesses and green tints. I overlook the faults as I like the tech and some stuff looks stunning on the OLED but I still think it needs work.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
We have the same issues the ipad, Itunes dependent = sucks, no micro sd = forcing us to buy the more expensive model and once 64Gb is filled up theres nothing left but to delete stuff, for the widgets I can live with out them since I tap twitter,facebook and other widgets to run their main program anyway.

Difference in perception and expectation then followed by experience, after checking out several Tab7.7's almost all of them had very obvious discolorations on the edges which can be seen under store lighting conditions and in less than a few seconds after the device reaches its config screen. Also the issues on the screen I have are totally different from yours since you still need wait for a certain time of day under a specific planetary alignment to see the issues, mine is just as obvious regular usage as I've posted on the pictures. And I didnt really understand what you said in the rest of your post but what I can gather is your screen is not as faulty as others so keep the self pity and just be happy!

Also I only had 1 picture taken with 1.5seconds of exposure to clearly show the circles, in a very dim grey the other photos were just taken with auto settings and room lighting conditions.

Selecting mobie mode makes the white point to warm and it comes out very yellow, regardless of the 'more accurate reasoning' white is white and not yellow.

I used to like OLED tech as it is a joy to use while watching movies, I really had no issues back during the Samsung Wave and Galaxy S days though given those are just 3.5" and 4.0" screens, Im speculating on two things, either anything larger than 4.0" causes production issues or samsung decided to drop the quality control down to favor faster production and lower costs.

I cant force my self to overlook these faults as I never had to deal with this on my first 2 SuperAMOLED devices, the un-even brigthness and color tints are quite obvious on my screen as well as the many I've seen. This kind of sensitivity to quality is a curse.

The Ipad3 also has a lot of screen issues, I dont know if its inherit to the new screen tech or just some manufacturing issue that can be sorted by June/July. I think Im just looking at the Ipad3 because there is else.. Wish samsung would already release the 11.6
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] shazoom:
I've noticed the circles visible in darkness with a black screen but I really couldn't care less. It's only even visible under very particular circumstances and doesn't effect my enjoyment at all. I imagine it is a manufacturing artifact.

If I could see it all the time, or much more widely in terms of usage patterns, then it would piss me off.

Screen burn in us another matter but I haven't experienced this and mine is about a month old. Touch wood.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
Lucky you, on my unit its visible with regular use as long as the lights are not equivalent to store level brightness.

For the burn in if you really want to check if you have it or not, goto the screen feedback thread and test it with one of the grey-15 to grey-45 images and use an orientation that you normally dont use to see the issue, mine is about a month now and I saw the burn-in a few days ago when I was opening the andriod market, it does not affect any other colors YET.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] pikulu:
@EarlZ,

How is the effect of burn in on galaxy note's screen?Is that too showing burn in like clock,alarm,statusbar,different lines?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
I never noticed any sign of burn-ins on the Note, not even on the AM/PM symbol on the note and I've used the Note longer. Im guessing its something on the Tab7.7's screen.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Astrix Ashburn:
No device is perfect :rolleyes:

New iPad Over Heating? Discussion: Here

Poor wifi reception on new iPad? Discussion: here

One reason that keep me away from IOS because of iTunes.

I just use what ever device I like...

Future: Win8 Tab, 7 inch iPad..etc I will be using? I dont know :confused:
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
Why don't you, you know, actually say something of value to the rest of the forum instead of just angry noise?