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[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
I do not THINK the things the soak ota checks for are any different than what the a regular ota does once it checks for your MEID. A regular ota does not care if you are rooted! You must be stock but not unrooted.

Now if I am wrong the VooDoo temporary unroot may be the best thing anyway you look at it.
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Could be. I'm just going by what the survey said when I was filling it out to be a soak tester. It could be just there way of "scaring" me into submission. Pfft! I'm still running Eclipse 2.1. Is that submissive enough? :rolleyes:
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Looks like I will just SBF again tonight, I am not sure why I even installed the leaked zip for 2.3.5, probably just natural habit from bouncing from ROM to ROM.

Also, I plan on being at least one of the few test dummies on this and I will try to obtain Root as soon as I can whenever this soak comes. I am not sure what will come of my phone but I will attempt to SBF at some point too.
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Let us know if/when it happens and if you can or cannot root and sbf back to a previous version. If they essentially brick your phone, then we want to know about because that will definitely push many users over the edge, especially with the current state many customers are in regarding the locked bootloaders and now, no ICS for the X2.

If I had another phone, I would do it, but the X2 is my main phone my family calls to get in touch with me, including my mother who is in assisted living, so I must have a cell phone that is working at all times.

Thank goodness Eclipse 2.1 is so freaking stable. It's better than the stock ROM, that's for sure!
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
I read the official email put out about the test and it says testers cannot say anything about the test. Whether or not your request applies to that restriction is unsure to me but it is something to remember.

Not ragging on you Bolski, just so everyone knows. ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Yeah, I forgot about that when I read the agreement last night after I signed up and realized he probably can't tell us squat. Of course, PMs work real well! ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Don't worry I won't break any rules.....:eek: But yeah, I will at least tell everyone when I do it.

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It is hard to convey sarcasm via text...
[Motorola Droid X2] three west:
having been through a few soak tests on this phone I can tell you from previous tests that people who were rooted did have troubles receiving the soak.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
yes, be careful brave souls who want to try this new update out...

out

cuz it is very possible they have done to this update the same they did to the x,

in the past yes it has been true we could always sbf back, but I would wait until we see an sbf file for this new build at least....in past experience an sbf file always seemed to find it's way to our forum here
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
If I get it, ill apply the update without Voodoo... I have 2 devices so I'm straight with it...
[Motorola Droid X2] 1stx2:
Meh why is moto always so secretive about there "soak test" ? All they are worried about is stopping root and bricking your phone if you SBF.
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
I think it falls under not an official build and they don't want future buyers of the x2 to be scared of the phone. Also Moto wants those that would receive the official release to apply it without worrying about bugs that were found in the soak test.
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Can OTA updates be forced to phones? Don't we have the option to accept them or leave our phones be? I havent been on Android long enough to know if its true, though a part of me says they very well can and another says we have a little bit of power.
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23578006&postcount=35
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Didn't see that one.
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
NO OTA update can be forced on your phone... you will receive an update notification about an update... and you have the option to install or not...
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
https://custsupport.alaskacommunica.../~/motorola-milestone™-x2-2.3-software-update

The last part of this is rehash of the (our) OTA process.
[Motorola Droid X2] kenjesse:
VZW has an update for the X2 available now?? Then what is Moto soak testing??

Don't they test first then release... I'm just a little more confused than normal now...:confused:

Sent via Tapatalk on my CM7'ed DX2
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
That's what I was wondering. I'm thinking this update, which is coming from Verizon, was already in the works before the soak test. I'm beginning to wonder if the soak test is something completely different? If not, this update is nothing but 2.3.5 build 418. More bloat, a security fix (remove root AND possibly the ability to SBF back to 2.3.4 without bricking?) and just plain crap.

I guess I would like to know from others that applied this latest update if they could root and if they couldn't, were they able to SBF back to 2.3.4?
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
um

I'm sorry

where do you see something that says anything about an update for us from Verizon???
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/14/droid-x2-software-update-is-ready-as-build-1-3-418/

Droid Life reported it.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
vzw has jumped the gun on every update we've had so far, I'm willing to bet that it's information about the the soak test that hasn't started yet

so far, right around every soak test dumbass vzw posted something with info about the update

I, could be wrong, but I believe that's what it is

anyone remember when gingerbread came out? vzw put a page like that up WAY early, then took it down then put it back up later
[Motorola Droid X2] SaurusX:
Keep in mind that Moto not only borked the original X (which I have), nut the Droid2 as well with these "updates". Thtlat means no root and no SBFing back to a version that you can root on. Its coming, so prepare yourselves accordingly. Droid-Life just reported that the update includes a "Google security patch". What do you think that means?
[Motorola Droid X2] Skelente:
Yeah you're right ash, they did the same thing with GB IIRC. Everybody noticed the page then got in a big fuss when they took it down.

I think you're exactly right. Moto is treating the DX and the DX2 the exact same, so there is no reason to suspect they would keep root on this or allow SBFing back to a previous version. I'm assuming that is what they're referring to when they say the "Google Security Patch," but who knows.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Bingo! Motorola and VZW can kiss my ass! I am NOT gonna update OR go stock from my wonderful CM7... No way Jose!

The only thing keeping me bashing this phone into a concrete wall is CM7DX2. It is still not so great, so with CM7 on it, I only feel like throwing it in water :p :D. But without that I may wish to detonate it with 10 pounds of C4 and let loose a nuke on it! And how dare they! This is the ultimate slap on the face! Not only are they dumping this turd, but they are gonna take away the one thing that makes this phone livable? Oh very smooth maneuver, Hoover! (cliches! :D)

I am O. U. T. OUT with Motorola... HTC or Sammy or LG, here I come... In a year though :mad:
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
+1 to that, I am so tired of this lost potential.
[Motorola Droid X2] DigitalMD:
Off to get a Windows Phone. Screw Moto
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
hmmm

you're gonna leave Android completely just because moto sucks butt? you should tell Google that they lost you because of Motorola bull crap
[Motorola Droid X2] Travisdroidx2:
Thinking about buying a used rezound or something unlocked and no contract extension. Screw moto. Looking at eBay.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Not a bad Idea! I get a Nerdgasm whenever I see a Nokia Lumia 900 or the N9 on which it is based!

I don't think it is a bad idea. Microsoft and many Windows Phone users claim that WP7 is actually very smooth, second to Apple perhaps, even though all phones so far are single core. Apparently, WP7 doesn't need a very powerful hardware to work well, unlike Android which is firstly a heavy OS and secondly crippled by Manufacturer's skin and shoddy development.

I wanna give kudos to Microsoft for being able to curb any sort of customizations from Manufacturers apart from choosing the default color and some shortcuts! That was a brilliant move. And with Windows 8 coming soon, I really think that Windows 8 tablets will probably be the best... Let us see what's gonna happen! I don't mind switching boats! Oh, did I mention Windows Phones get updates as soon as MS rolls them out, or at the least within a month!! Oh, sweet lord!
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
Windows Phones are VERYYYY smooth!! I can not stress that enough. I played with the Trophy when I got my x2 last may and I would have got it, but one thing made me pick Android: The endless customizations and app availability. At the time, there wasn't much available for WP7 on their market as far as Games and such go. But as far as the OS it was SOLID!!! I love the Hub/Metro look because it keeps things simple and in perspective. When you use an Android Device or even iPhone, things can get cluttery and confusing, when you try to find that perfect layout for your device: with the exception of the iPhone because you only have ONE choice.

In the end, I chose the x2... Why? My friends had the x1 and LOVED their phones, and the fact that Linux was on a phone made it even better(yes I'm a Linux fanboy.. Almost got fired because I suggested we replace our company computers' OS with Ubuntu). The x2 was my first Android Phone and I like it, I'm not used to the other aspects of an Unlocked BL, so I can't complain too much because I don't know those benefits; although I'm sure it would improve some aspects.

But anyway, I just wanted the WP7 for the look, other than that, Android offered what I wanted in a device. I would almost trade my x2 for an HTC Trophy, but I'm afraid I would lose all my Google Integration and be forced to use microsoft mail and stuff. So now my goal is to port a Fully functioning WP7 UI and Features on an Android Platform; as if you were using a WP7 device, but with Android OS. Launcher 7 doesn't do it for me, I want everything to work like it, Plus I have other ideas I want to develop into it just not enough time atm. Baby steps I guess.

Edit:

Sorry, Just noticed I wasn't in the OffTopic thread... stupid phone..
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
lmao

I do that way to often ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] BreatheALittle:
You might want to also consider looking for a Rezound in the XDA marketplace (under Wanting To Buy) to see if anyone is looking to get rid of their Rezound. I can't imagine that would happen, since the phone is pure badassery, but it's always worth a shot. :)

EDIT: /derailment :) I'm just anxious to hear from someone who actually completed the soak test/update. There's 8 pages of speculation (unless I missed a post from someone providing a definitive answer), but speculating is enough to drive you crazy. I know some of our awesome guys are willing to attempt this latest soak test/update. Looking forward to when we can have some idea of what it does. :)
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
i cant wait til you bring a complete AOSP WP7 to our device its going to be awesome!
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
So, has anyone received this "soak" test/update yet? Still curious as to whether it prevents SBFing back to previous versions by bricking your phone and if the root exploit has been patched (which is more than likely what "Google security patch" means).
[Motorola Droid X2] Peperm1nt:
Nothing yet

Tapin' the Talk on the xSquared
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
lol, the soak is probably happening t right now, but we all didn't get invited cuz they googled about us and saw wee were talking about the, soak lmao
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
Haha I don't think they care that much lol.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
+ 1 they won't waste their time checking here if we are talking about it when they could be spending their valuable time making it more and more likely that Noone will use their phones anymore...

Stupid Moto...

Sent from my DROID X2
[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
I've read that the soak test has begun...can anyone confirm that?
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
where did you read it?

link please? :)
[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
Forget it, I'm an idiot :)
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
same. still havent got it but im not sure if i want to be the first. i dont want to be stuck in limbo without root, roms or maybe anyway to SBF
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
I'm feeling like the only thing that might make this update worth the time is a kernel upgrade to a "true gingerbread" kernel version.

but even then, I'm not sure it would be worth it (to me) unless I can root and flash eclipse, anytime I go back to stock I just wanna punch myself in the throat with a set of keys s sticking through my knuckles...imho of course ;)

(and after messing with my buddies incredible for a few days and.messing with custom kernels, man, I couldn't imagine what this phone would be like with a custom kernel slightly overclocked with smart

ass governor or something.... :( screw you moto, screw you for depriving us...)
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
it could easily be almost as good as a gnex minus 4g with an unlocked bootloader. oh a man can dream....
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
lol

I JUST realized the name of this thread is "soak teXt"

what's a soak text?

there I go getting of topic again lol
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Don't worry, I plan on doing this as soon as it pops up...

Sent from my DROID X2
[Motorola Droid X2] BreatheALittle:
+100! There is so much potential in this phone, it's insane. Such a pity it's being cast aside by Motorola. I know people have said that a soak test for the X actually resulted in the inability to root. I guess I don't understand why the manufacturers would want to take that away. Rooting, custom rom's... that's what brings the majority of people to droid phones. It's too much of a selling point. What benefit would they get from blocking rooting?
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
+1,000,000
[Motorola Droid X2] tombaldwin6:
I don't know if this is too little too late , I am also signed up for the soak test. however I have since moved on to the brighter pastures of the bionic . But if and when I get notified of the soak I'm willing to make a copy and send it to the people who know what to do with it . Just let me know how to send a file that big and who to send it to and it will be done !
[Motorola Droid X2] A2Trip:
This test has been told to customers about two weeks ago and still not one person has received anything. I think it's a fluke. Or they're fixing up something cuz of all the complaints. I am not risking loosing my root and ability to SBF. I'll wait till someone else gets the curse.

Sent from My Rooted MB870/DROID X2 Running CM7
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I talked to my friend that runs a third party Verizon store today and he confirmed my beliefs that he would replace my phone if and when it becomes a fancy ass paper weight.

It seems like a month ago that we got that freaking email, but based on Motorola's history I doubt they are fixing things based on our complaints. They are just slow and hate their customers.

I will start a new thread when I get the soak, I don't give a **** if I don't get any more soak tests because I am not getting another Motorola device. I plan on testing the bootloader to see if it is unlocked, try to root, and finally SBF back to 2.3.4 without bricking my DX2.

Have a good night all.....

Ivan, can you PM me the instructions for checking the bootloader, I doubt I will be able to find that post again.

PS:

If anyone could PM me how to pull the SBF file I will do that too and upload it to megaupload or something like that too when the soak comes.

Sent from my DROID X2
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
Here's the posts on the UnLock

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23653444&postcount=12

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23653584&postcount=13

To VooDoo RootKeeper

Pete's latest Exploit for Windows7 http://www.4shared.com/zip/0k2yDv9l/...ools_v106.html

First get the latest VooDoo. Old VooDoo is not good. (really I had problems on v1) http://androiddev.orkitra.com/downlo...55941944302146 How to use VooDoo Root Keeper before you apply the an OTA update: ( "VooDoo" ) Run VooDoo Root Keeper and choose protect root so all the boxes BECOME checked (see note). Note :if all the boxes are ALREADY checked you may have saved SU with an older version of VooDoo. Run VooDoo and choose delete SU BackUp (do not unroot) then uninstall VooDoo.apk then install the latest VooDoo and get all the boxes checked

SBF to 234 (leaked), Root with Pete's, "VooDoo" and apply the OTA-soak or update.

After the Update run VooDoo and restore root.

There is VooDoo and DIY OTA UpDate info on post #3 of my signiture link.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Thanks Swoo, this time I was smart and copied and pasted this to a word doc...
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
More I was posting while you thanked me lol.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Haha, I work fast...
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
FYI:

it's not an sbf, file that you download for the OTA updates.

it is an update.zip (aka a "Stock ROM")

sbf file is much bigger and contains the entire system image, etc...
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Pardon my ignorance ash and thanks for the clarification.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
no, I'm sorry for pointing it out lol

I feel like a **** when I do that, I just trying to eliminate confusion

sorry bro :)

(I wish the OTA were sbf, that would make restoring a bricked phone Much easier lol (
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Don't feel bad, a learning experience is always appreciated.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
by the way, how is the new tapatalk, beta?

any new features? thinking about checking it out later
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
It's really nice, great UI. I have not explored a whole lot, but it is smoother than number 1.
[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
Still no soak test? Do they start creating the update when they announce the soak test or what. I know it's likely the test will be nothing great but I'm anxious to hear about it.
[Motorola Droid X2] A2Trip:
No the details of the update have already been revealed. If you google it, you'll find all the details. But so far no one has gotten the soak as far as I know.

Sent from My Rooted MB870/DROID X2 Running CM7
[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
I hope there's more to the update than what Verizon says there's going to be. It just seems like it's been a long time since this was announced/leaked....I have no patience.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
one thing they don't put on those info pages is whether or not kernel is being upgraded, since the average user, has no clue what that means, so hopefully that's something we see
[Motorola Droid X2] skwoodwiva:
Want KERNEL!
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
how funny would it be if they gave us a 2.6.38 kernel but no ics lol
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
They will do it out of spite for us plotting against them.

I am going to switch over to my brothers old incredible until I get the soak email and then test everything once it comes, I wanna play with an HTC platform for a couple of days.

(Sorry to go off topic a bit, I just didn't want people to think I abandoned my promises when suddenly they see Incredible in my signature line in the next couple of days.)

Knowing my luck I will get the soak email as soon as I activate the Inc...:rolleyes:
[Motorola Droid X2] Elite49:
The details of the soak test not the newest OTA?
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
the 418 build "OTA" details IS the soak test

vzw ALWAYS jumps the gun

they say it's available now because they have approved it finally

moto makes a build, vzw adds their crap and sends back to moto who then initiates a soak test

but before the soak test even starts vzw ALWAYS makes a page with details of the OTA

which is why I find these soak tests pointless, because vzw is most likely going to push the update no matter the soak results

but if they did happen to give us that kernel I would imagine it, would just make it easier to port ics /cm9 etc..., so I, would look at it as moto actually throwing us a bone inn that area, unless they take away our root but give us that kernel, then that would just be pure hell lmao,, which is something they would do, but they ain't gonna give us that kernel, not, yet at least
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
I see what you are saying, but if this soak is similar to the updates that caused the Droid X and the Droid 2 to brick upon SBF and blocks root than it may be less of a blessing than we are hoping for.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
So my parents came over for dinner tonight and brought the DInc with them, all encased in the hard silicone case and everything, it felt really light to me so I pulled it apart and... BAM, no battery.... :eek: I think this is a sign that Motorola hates us all and really doesn't want me to have a useful cell phone until this damn soak comes out...

Rant over// :mad:
[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
Posted this in another topic but it fits here better. This is second hand info from someone I work with. Co-worker went into Verizon store intending to buy phones for his family members, he had a DX2 at the time. Employee said an update was coming and was ready to roll out but Motorola reneged on something in some contract :). Co-worked did not ask for more details because any update no longer pertained to him since he was giving his phone to one of his kids. Anyway......
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
we should have flooded cheesecake with every build we have lol
[Motorola Droid X2] Skelente:
I've still been checking every day since it was announced, from 2.3.4 stock, even though @VZWSupport told me last Wednesday they had no timeline on the update. Been hoping something gets pushed accidentally :)

I wonder why Moto reneged though. They didn't even get the soak out, and even with issues in the past they've kinda just ignored it and gone forward anyway.
[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
This is starting to really irritate me. Why announce a soak test/update when it's not going to be released for at least a month...idiots! Seriously, if they were to start ICS for the DX2 when they announced the soak test wouldn't that be complete by now....assuming they put a "few" people on it? I know this will not be ICS but I wonder wtf they're doing that's taking so long...it's a bloat update....why I care about this update is beyond me. I guess I'm just hoping for something worthwhile. By the time they release this thing I'll be the only one left here with a DX2 :)
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
I'm hoping/thinking that maybe, JUST MAYBE, all the complaints and pushes towards Motorola to actually give us an update that is worth our time to accept, might have had a hand in this delay. Maybe it is possible that at the very least, they will actually update the kernel to one that is useful.

And yea, if they put a small team on producing ANY update it shouldn't take them long AT ALL. I dunno...I just feel that these PAID "professionals" should be able to make a system update slightly quicker than it takes for these devs to build roms and kernels basically from scratch.....meh....

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[Motorola Droid X2] Ryno77:
I sure hope this is the case. There is no reason to have an update ready, announce a soak test, then wait a month to release it unless major changes are being made. I thought about calling but I'm not sure who to call and I'm pretty sure the answer would be basically useless.
[Motorola Droid X2] gaad0701:
Just thought I would drop in here and let everyone know that I will not be able to fulfill my promises of being the test dummy for this update, my X2 days will be over this Friday, so unless this update hits us really soon I can't help. :(

I'm not even using the replacement X2 I got today because the power button doesn't work on top of everything else! :banghead: