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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Afaik nobody here can answer your question extensively, as official ICS isn't out yet. ;)

Want my 2 cents? There will be people saying that battery is better and people saying it is worse; the best thing is to wait a couple of weeks, maybe a bit more, and test it out for yourself :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
nice and quiet
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Vitriol_Drinker:
If i remember correctly, it was said that the ICS testing fw were having a better battery life.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nit:
ICS will only be able to optimize the battery life by better manged the background jobs and apps, as well as better control its Wifi and 2G/3G connections, i.e. improving the standby hour. However it won't be able to make the screen consume less power in the same lightness level. Nor it can reduce the CPU consumption of apps runing in the foreground. In other words, if you play a game in GB for 1 hr and it consumes 50% of your battery power, if will still consume 50% of your battery power in ICS.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
you are right! but you still can happy with ICS because of most time of phone is stanby and so total time you need to recharge is longer (Ex >24h) :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] chesterr:
7days to 15th of June! Hope it'll be released by then!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dragunov:
Ohhhhhh, I will be getting back my device from Sony Service on 18th June!

I hope I will be surprised when I switch it on!!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Vitriol_Drinker:
I agree.

For this i think we'll need undervolting, and this can be done on GB too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
Y know what I wish that the ics will be crafted for the UEFA themed with the FIFA 2012 playstation preinstaled and few movies in the pack with the extra goals as a limited edition :D, Like it was with the "SE C902 james bond edition"

That would be good marketing but they should release it now to get the good marketing ! It would sell like a chocolate cake with a cheery on the top. :cool:

"If any hidden Sony workers read it. pass to the marketing manager ! "
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
ICS in itself, by which I mean the framework, can hardly help battery life too much. However, the update also contains some updated firmwares, a newer kernel and a few new proprietary blobs. This means that the battery life can and likely will be improved by optimising the lower level software.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
sorry for double post

yes but the hardware accelation is included in the framwork of the ICS, how application processed the set of instruction more or less regarding usablity of the GPU, the hardware accelation force the gpu to process the graphics, since the gui of the xperia are full of animation that might impact the battery , and force the GPU to work harder to deliver pleasent experience with e.i "cosmic flow " especially this animation are in HD qulity !

edit: according to the source below the bettery will depend on the quility of the ui of the phone and sony animation might be very fluent, 60 fps but the battery will be draw very qulicky, because usage of the GPU not the cpu!

references

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
HWUI is absolutely useless in most workloads. The best I could get was 2fps increase.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Roman91:
hei beautiful, no news??? FW?? If there's no new FW the .452 might be the final build
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
you norrowed down only to the HWUI but this not only about the ui i was talking about the scroll experience in the, wallpaper the "comic flow" is a demandig wall paper, web browser, flash, and games , how much information can gpu processed at the same time that will consume the battery.

The fps is not the only benchmark is that business, fast GPU then the full flash website will be loaded faster ?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Not much. They're doing final testing, there probably will be more builds because 452 is built for brown devices so they at least need to do 453 to rebuild it for retail. I haven't seen any new builds myself though, finals and all that.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] chesterr:
Even the swiping feature which kill applications, don't kill applications that much huh!

Even I was playing around with the arc S and I was playing music and went to the home screen and swiped Music app and killed it, but it didn't kill itself!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SFU11:
yes.. swipe app from recent app list, just removed them from the list. not form memory... app still active in memory. :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It is not intended to actually kill anything. Also music app uses a service to actually play music, so it'll keep playing even when the frontend (what you call the Music app) crashes.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] chesterr:
Yea but think of that we are playing a game or something and we want to quit the game completely, then we swipe it to kill it but still the game runs in the background. Doesn't it?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
Things don't run in the background. Just because they exist in the memory doesn't mean they use any CPU. It just means they can be resumed faster because they don't have to be reloaded.

Let Android handle it's own memory management. A team of Google engineers surely knows better when to close apps than you do.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] imTigger:
It's not always true.

Some poorly designed apps doesn't handle onPause() properly.

Try to search Watchdog Task Manager on Play Store.

I caught some misbehaving apps draining my battery before.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Actually he's right.

The power management in the Android platform is handled by the lowest software layer of the platform itself, which is the Linux Kernel.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Apology11:
Luckily we will get a new Kernel too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
It is public knowledge that we will have 3.08 kernel.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
If the game is written properly, it does not.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Yeah, it's not a question of luck, it's just a fact that we will get a new kernel. ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Apology11:
Yes I meant: we can hope this will increase Battery Life.

Gesendet von meinem LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
You're getting it completely wrong. ICS won't magically speed up your GPU. Minor improvements are possible, but that doesn't really matter much. The Cosmic Flow wallpaper is already rendered with the GPU, and the scrolling smoothness is an issue with the launcher code, not the frameworks. It's better on ICS, but for a different reason. The web browser is already hardware accelerated on GB, the only difference is ICS does that out of the box, i.e. without vendor modifications. This doesn't really affect the speed at which pages load, but gives more smoothness to scrolling, zooming and such, especially on HTML5/JS heavy websites ( NOT Flash) .
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
The (stock) browser pinch to zoom on the current FW (75 here) is not the smoothest experience one could have, even if personally i don't notice exaggerate stutters or so.

Are you implying that the (stock) browser pinch to zoom is noticeably smoother on the ICS beta for XS you tried out, got to see or whatever?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
a little bit of study then :cool:

where did you find it that , I want read from all from the source! PLS :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Hell yeah thats what i want B***H!

So i dont need to smash my phone, f8ck yeah

So the battery will drain faster when browsing -.-
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Hope there's no update until Monday. I'm traveling until the end of Sunday, and here it take years to load anything. Can't even imagine to download ICS.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
Does anyone know whether the ICS on Sony devices have different lock screen? IE the circle one instead of the bar one.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
GB lockscreen, but with camera shortcut instead of sound control
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] wpgchris:
Read on xperiablog that Sony is making an announcement on Monday. Anyone think it has to do with ics?

" Sony Mobile has let its Facebook and Twitter fans know that it plans to announce something on Monday 11 June at 11am (GMT). Here’s the cryptic message:

“Not long now… we’ve got a surprise for you at 11am GMT on Monday! Ready for something fun?”

Could this be a phone launch or something software related? We’ve got no idea and as far as we are aware there are no media events planned for Monday, so it might just be something small. Anyway, not too long to find out.

Thanks Chase! "
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ben36:
Does anyone know if it's gonna be a global release or regional?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Its probably regional as usual but anything comes to XDA becomes Global. So from day one, you should be able to grab one from here and flash it on your phone.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
That's collected from the dev blogs, me looking at the source and just common knowledge.

Probably not. It's already patched to support HW accel on GB, so I don't think ICS will change anything.

No font changing, sorry. But the frameworks have full Unicode support since... Eclair I think?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] hello_hello:
That's sad, ICS lockscreen is one of the thing I look forward to. I think having sound control is more useful than camera. Hmm, guess widgetlocker will be a permanent app even in ICS
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Yeah. I think it's sad too. They should have done it customizable. At least sound or camera.

@K900i, widgets are resizable on stock launcher on ICS? Gb launcher don't allow that...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Widgets must be explicitly declared resizable, so not all of them. Calendar, Gmail and many others can be resized, but Clock, for example, is fixed size.

Also K900i is the other guy :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] niaboc79:
Are you sure for the calendar? I've tried to resize the calendar on my galaxy ACE with CM9 and the Sony launcher but it didn't worked.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] chesterr:
Haha the other guy :P He confuses me a lot! :D

anyways my PCcompanion got updated, probably monday we will see an update.(fingers crossed)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
The Xperia S launcher? Of course it won't work, the launcher is built for GB.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] subben2003:
hmm...

any facts in thise thread?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1700825
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I find it hard to believe from my POV. 452 had some minor bugs, so it's likely not final. From there it's either they did all testing behind closed doors (no Emma, no outside NDA testers) or they release 452 as is, which I doubt knowing Sony's quality over quantity/speed approach. The other option is the guy is just making stuff up. But 11th is in 3 days so I guess we'll see soon enough.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
https://twitter.com/sonyxperia/status/211095000824553472/photo/1

**Thanks to reptile64
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Yeah, I guess that's what he was thinking.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] BoSib:
They bought Samsung? :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Hopefully only the hardware department.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Of course not. Oh hai we promised you an update a couple months ago and now it's out... SURPRIIIIISE ^___^
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arc_u:
Seems like a new device.....

Sent from my LT26i using telepathy
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gm007:
Maybe they'll update Xperia play to ICS :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] chesterr:
Or the International version of hayabusa!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gtrab:
It's a gamepad for PS certified phonrs ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
That's nice.

Hope it is small enough to carry around.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gtrab:
it's just a heartbeat... :rolleyes:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900i:
Just like 2 weeks ago they introduced 2 new devices (go & acro) So less likely it is going to be a new device, but you cant guarantee that it will be ICS :confused:

but if it ics then ===> :cool:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Deniz.S:
probably just be an accessory of some kind. maybe a dock or something.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pezo:
Are they really going through with that nonsense of putting a camera slider on a phone with a physical button for that?

Why would they do that, that's insane?

I know it's always the small things...

Sent from the Delta Quadrant using a transwarp conduit.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
It says:

ICS is not fun nor social but exciting :D Maybe something more related to smart tags? smart tag family or headphone
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
It does strike me as rather odd. Far more sensible to add it in as an option, given there's already a menu setting for the lock screen (what info to show, wallpaper etc). Even sound on/off might not suit everyone - but what about firing up Gmail, Maps or calendar?

No chance of me ditching Widget Locker then!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Hope its good news
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mzr7:
Launch of playstation suite/mobile? That can be fun and exciting maybe social too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
Free all sony game for our Xps? :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] waiflih:
I can't wait for linaro in our XSs!!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Won't give much. Those optimizations mostly help benchmarks, not general speed. Also apps that are not a part of the system are still built with O2.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ower:
At last O2 users got .75 update...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Maybe no ICS for our XS? :D :D :D :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
I don't know about you buy Sony promised me to get it in Q2:eek: and before end of Q3:D:D and also it says on my box "ICS upgradable" and I believed it:D

If you want to feel real pain, go and buy a phone that has no support like Pantech and then you will appreciate everything Sony does.:cool:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Probably not on the 11th.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
wouldn't be much of a surprise.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Roman91:
but if XS can do the same with 50% less cpu usage, means that the battery will last longer. no?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
I don't understand why you folks keep talking as though Sony software is uniquely stable. The xperia s has been updated repeatedly in a very short space of time. Presumably to fix issues. From .63 to 67 to 73 to 75 and 76. I just don't understand where all this talk of stability comes from.

The simple truth is they just struggle more than others on the software side. History bears witness to that fact.

Let's not start taking about the X10 story.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
The problem is it's not 50%, it's 5% or 10% but no more.

The simple truth is not quite as simple. They're doing their best NOT to repeat the X10 story. If you think they don't learn from their own mistakes, you're seriously wrong here.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nemer12:
what happened to X10 ?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
A complete failure with updates.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
good ol' days. oh I still have one!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Roman91:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQRYmYip6Q&feature=player_embedded

The guy says that the Linaro runs about twice as fast as stock Android 4.0.4

remember that I don't understand nothing about kernels, underline software and others xD

PS sorry for the OT post
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I haven't noticed anything like that in real life tests. It does give a significant advantage in benchmarks, but the UI and the games are almost unaffected.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
Well Android is by definition a slow operating system that wastes a lot of resources. Why? Because almost all code runs on the Dalvik VM, a self-built Java Virtual Machine. The problem is that Dalvik just isn't very efficiënt.

Why did Google do this? Because it enables developers to write applications in a programming language they already know and understand (Java), and allowing Android apps to run on a huge variety of devices and processors without having to adjust applications.

But the downside remains, Android is slow, and that problem will remain forever. It's also the exact reason why, whether you like to admit it or not, Android always feels a bit slower than iOS or Windows Phone. It'll get better of course, as Dalvik keeps getting optimized, but it'll always remain just a little slower.

It's also one of the downsides of ICS Sony pointed out. Some parts of Android are written in native code (and are thus much faster). For example the SQL database that is included with Android was always written in native code to allow for much faster access and operations. With ICS however, Google moved it from the native layer to a Dalvik-based application. This means that it'll run without modifications on other systems (like Intel-based Android handsets), but it also means you lose a lot of performance. This slows down the launching of apps, since apps always read quite a lot from the database at their launch.

I'm not exactly sure what Linaro changes either. It looks like it are mostly really low-level kernel adjustments. It's up to the chip bakers to include these things for their devices. Since Qualcomm isn't working with Linaro right now, I doubt you'll see anything Linaro-related working on a Qualcomm core for now. But Sony might include kernels improved by Linaro tweaks in their next devices running ST-Ericsson chips.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Dalvik is not slow. A virtual machine is not, and will never be slow by definition. In fact, a virtual machine can be faster than generic native code due to Just-In-Time compilation. It will always add a memory overhead, and it will also often add multiple threads, but this is not a critical issue. Dalvik is much faster than, for example, Python, which is the second most used technology for developing GUI apps on Linux and BSD. Dalvik is even faster than badly written native code. Compared to the advantages it gives, the overhead is minimal. Also, WP7 runs apps with its own runtime, which is not that far from a full fledged VM, and it's still smoother ( not faster! ). Why? Because of the way the android graphics stack is designed. And I see reason behind that design.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mccabeross:
Easy Tiger!

get a room you two! :eek:

people in this thread only want to know when ICS is coming out...;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Scratchling:
Dont get into a debate with K900, you'll always lose:D

[Kudos to him for being such a wealth of useful and accurate information]
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
How can you say that the Dalvik VM (which is kind of a Java VM optimized for machines with less resources) is faster than badly written native code? I mean, i don't get the comparison.

If the native code takes asymptotically O(n(log(n))) time, for example, so it will the interpreted code.

I agree with you, VMs used to be really slow but they really caught up with native compiled code, so the differences now are minimal (take for example the Java's one).

I just don't get your comparison. Of course, with the same input, a Bubble Sort natively compiled will generally take more than a Counting Sort which is running on a VM.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
[Question]

i don't know why .apk file'size on android usually > .exe file on computer or .sis on symbial or .jar file but the same function and UI of application?

some small app on android take 1-2 Mb on phone but on computer or jar, or .sis it takes only 30kb?

or code for advertisment?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
That depends on the libraries needed to include with the package.

.exe file on computer usually needs libraries (.dll). So it is not directly comparable.

I'm not familiar with .sis or .jar file.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
so do you mean on each app on android, it have own library? why google do not include dll on android's source?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I mean that you can optimize code for a VM, and it will run fast. And when you

write inefficient native code, it will still run slow.

It's often because of resources. On Symbian, J2ME and other older platforms an app was designed for a certain device, or a certain family of devices. On Android, one APK can run on phones, phablets, 7" and 10" tablets and Google TV. This is great, because you can reuse massive amounts of code, but this also adds overhead in form of different layouts, graphics and often Google's own compatibility libraries that allow you to use newer features on older versions of Android.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
And now to get back on topic: any more delays are unlikely. It's either today, coinciding with something I can't talk about or sometime before the end of the month.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
O we know that thing you can't talk about. ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It's going to be interesting though.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arc_u:
ICS? :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Not quite sure. There will be something different and MAYBE ICS.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] unknown13x:
Today? ICS, definitely not. Tipo? May be :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Anything new on Emma btw? My main box is broken again and I'm too lazy to set everything up on a laptop... :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] unknown13x:
Seems like .452 is the final build. .444 was removed, and .452 only has a few regions in testing left, so it shouldn't be too long now (though still in weeks IMO).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
So 2 weeks I'd say..

Sent from my LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
So no news... Is good news? I think? Probably a week more or so.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
may be this? :) http://sonyviet.vn/2012/06/tin-ngoai-luong-toi-nay-se-co-them-4-chiec-xperia-moi/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Translate plz?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] THeLogiC:
Extrinsic information: This evening will be adding four new Xperia

HUNG VU 6/11/2012 6

That leaves just the right time is 6.30 minutes Sony Mobile will officially announce a new mystery Xperia models. According to our own sources collected in this period is not just one that will have up to four new Xperia will be introduced today. Basically Xperia models we already know some information before, today Sony will only publish official information only. The new model is.

GX Xperia international version.

Here is a sample Xperia widely expected in mobile time when Sony announced it will sell only in Japan around July next. Equipped with 4.6 inch screen HD Reality, dual-core processors 4th generation 1.5 Ghz, 1GB Ram, especially machines designed curved back cover as Xperia Arc and spent 8.6 mm thin. Another feature is also attention in this model is a new generation camera 13Mpx, promises to bring many surprises when sold.

Xperia ST26i

Here is a sample Xperia popular but to 4 inch large screen with different models of the same type, the configuration is modest when only equipped MSM7627A processor running at 800MHz clock, GPU Adreno 200 (Similar X8 ) and only screen resolution 480 x 854 FWVGA. Vending machines are being run Android OS 4.0.4.

Xperia Tipo & Xperia Tipo DS

This is the second lowest level Xperia form this year as Sony Mobile wants to "strike hard" to the smartphone market price, expected price contract is only about 3.2 p. There are similar style but a form DS Tipo Tipo 2 sim is a sim just like normal. Both these two models have in common a relatively low profile as only 800Mhz processor, 3.2 inch screen resolution of 320 x 480, GPU Adreno 200 (equivalent Xperia X8) and modest camera at 3Mpx 640 * 480 VGA video.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
http://translate.google.com.vn/tran...-luong-toi-nay-se-co-them-4-chiec-xperia-moi/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
New models look like the GX and a bunch of crapphones.