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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
So bunch of bull crap surprise.

Thanks Sony! Im very happy now! NOT!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arc_u:
From sony, this is not a surprise, oh wait lol
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
That's like saying a tweaked 50cc scooter will run faster than a 125cc one with a flat tire, which is kinda obvious ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Ok. I'm going to school in 5 minutes. If, whoever said that ICS is coming today missed it, I shall kill this person.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Yeah, that's what I was trying to make obvious. It's not the technology that makes it run fast. It's the developers.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Same here. I am at school now. Still waiting......
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Oh ok, i see your point now. And i agree with you.

But when there's a meeting between nice technology and nice brains, well, then something good is about to happen ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
Gnna kill anyone who trolled about ICS

Sent from my LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ratedr75:
So I take it it isn't the ICS update. Have just read about someone leaking details of the Ion.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] L3n1n:
No ICS update...

Finally the wait is over! YOUR clicks can move time, ready to change the future & announce the new Xperia smartphone
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] masi0:
Well, ICS release date was already announced some time ago...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ahmedoxo:
whats so fun on new xperia !!!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] freddy_krueger:
i really hope SONY will do not the same that LG with my O2x

Update allways promised but never arrived
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
What.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Roman91:
what was the event of today??? Joypad for Xperia series??

EDIT ....xperia Lotus
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] masi0:
Sony is not LG and have more to loose that LG. Sony needs to fight for its survival - if they show that their customers can count on often updates - this is one of the goals they need to achieve :)

Besides, Sony have way way more development team than LG:)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It's a bunch of new devices.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
The Lotus was the codename for the Xperia Go (which is the ST27i/ST27a).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
the Go was announced a few weeks ago no ??? anyway.. still no ICS :(
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] spice boy:
ICS will be here - Much like a wizard, it wont be late or early, it will be here when it is supposed to be here :)

From the sounds of it, it wont change much, make a fast phone faster? Like adding high grade fuel to a supercar... It's already fast so will you really notice?

I'm looking forward to when it's here, but GB is doing a VERY good job in the mean time!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dragon546:
OK I watch from the gallery on this one never had an arc or arc s so cannot contribute. I do have a question did the beta ICS build they put out have NXT on ICS? If so how much ICS was there or was it customized heavily having seen ICS on the GS2 I was like where is ICS on this GS2.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
NXT UI wasn't totally there. I do like what they have done to GB 2.3.7 on Xperia S and it looks a lot better, actually its amazing compare to anything I have seen.

ZD a decent developer in X10 community and then arc community did a vanilla base of the ICS on arc which was fully functional, Battery for the first time on my arc was amazing. It was around 1% usage which I was shocked and there were more settings to control the phone performance and etc, but then Xperia S came out and I couldn't wait to get it and arc was sold.

From what I see in development thread on this forum for Xperia S, apparently there is something wrong with Xperia S main files that doesn't allow developers to use custom ROM and kernels. Otherwise maybe ICS port was in its way and I wouldn't be here.

I had my hope high that ICS may resolve some of that battery issue on Xperia S but not at least for another three months.

I am not a heavy user of the phone but battery doesn't hold much which keeps me worried how to use my phone everyday so battery can last the whole day.

I have been through 4 ROMs and still battery issue.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] augie7107:
I have much respect for Nimche. I believe he has exhibited many valid points in this thread regarding the disappointment most users feel with the delay of ICS for Xperia 2012 devices. My personal opinion, however, is the delay is justified. Especially after reading about other manufacturers difficulties in rolling 4.0 out without bugs.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Yes, I agree, you got a valid point about perfecting their UI on ICS and resolving remaining issue.

Many people may not remember but there was a similar case with Xperia X10 in back ol' days that SE said that Froyo runs much smoother on Xperia X10 and Gingerbread will bring lots of problems to X10, as they weren't going to upgrade the X10 but eventually they did.

Each OS and new software that hits the market always brings negatives and positives but hopefully ICS has more pluses than minuses.

Hey Augie, did Docomo delay the release as I remember they said sometimes in June or July for Docomo users or that is staying as it was?

Maybe I will be a happier person the day Google pick one of Sony's handsets as Google phone. and I think with Sony being all over the Google TV, we should witness that happening.

Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread and I hope I have not offended anyone.

Its all good talk!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] augie7107:
Docomo just stated on 3/26 that the rollout will begin to hit their devices in July and will be sequential.

A rather vague statement, but I hope to give ICS a whirl by late July.

Time will tell.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] unknown13x:
Now that everything dies down and not so heated, I'll give out some hints now. The 2011 handsets' UI are different to what the 2012 handsets have. I received the powerpoint on the new update on what it brings, and to tell you the truth, it seems more like they're matching the 2011 handsets' UI and functionality to 2012 handsets. About 90% of what's being changed are cosmetic to match what XS has. There's little added functionality. I don't know much about performance as I haven't played with ICS on phones before, so I'll leave it to your personal experience.

Also, I understand the frustration for people who have 2012 devices. Good news is you'll have more functionality when ICS hits, but you'll just have to wait a bit longer. From the preliminary scope, I do say it's worth the wait :) I'm sorry but its way too early for me to give a dateline or leak out what's coming for 2012 as there are no solid info. Sony is giving all their resources for the 2011 device update.

What's also mentioned is after this update for the 2011 line-up, they will pause software development on 2011 devices. I'm not saying they are stopping future update after this, I REPEAT, I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE STOPPING FOLLOWING UPDATES. They are just shifting resource to the 2012 device updates. After when all devices are up to date, they'll start handling the bug issues. This is why they're pushing back the updates to make sure its near 100% in terms of performance and stability. It's your call if this is worth the 2 weeks wait and complaints.

Lastly, for people who have 2011 devices and decide they don't want ICS after trying it out. Sony's repair center and PC Companion will revert their devices back to 2.3 for them. They will not reflash ICS to their devices. If users decide to use ICS again, they must update their devices manually again. Sony's just giving them head room to try things out and let the users choose.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Some ICS news for 2011 lineup

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/04/01/android-ics-xperia-firmware-certified-for-xperia-arc-arc-s-neo-v-and-ray/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MJ_QaT:
Actually X10 was never upgraded to Froyo.. It had 1.6 2.1 and 2.3 upgrades..

They only stated that Eclair (2.1) will be better for user experience than GB with lower performance speed.. And it did.. At least mine did..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] PhilAd:
ICS has a lot of problems and the proves are shown everywhere.

The Galaxy Nexus has bugs, The Nexus S had problems, so they stopped the rollout and restartet it a while ago this year.

There are still massive problems like exchange sync.

I am happy to have a device rolling out with Android 2.3.7. Most other devices have 2.3.4 - 2.3.5 and Samsung had to roll back to 2.3.5 because of their 2.3.6 update was full of bugs. Furthermore devices like Galaxy W and S only get 2.3.6 in the future.

In Poland we can see that Samsung still has problems with ICS.

Google has to fix the problems in ICS. At the moment manufactures have to fix them on their own.

Sadly Samsung is only able to Update one Device at this time. Others have to wait. And you can only buy the i9100G model which means that you won't be able to update your GS2 at the same time. The silence change of the Device with the same name GS2 is really betraying the customer.

Sony will update the whole 2011 models end of April - Mid March and the XS will be upgraded end of June as I know. So lets see if their Update quality is better than Samsungs. I also prefer Sony because they Update many devices at the same time. Not like Samsung ... they have 50 Galaxy Models, 10 different GS2 Models and only the international Version gets the Update at the moment. And they don't even try to tell you that you are buying an i9100g for now and not the i9100 anymore ... the package and name of the device is the same.

So I switched from Samsung to Sony, because the quality of their Updates suck and its a mess that they flood the market with 1000 of different galaxy models and even a lot of different GS2 models.

I dont care how fast I will get my ICS Update as long as Google is still not able to fix most of the heavy bugs that even their own device Nexus S needed months to get ICS. Most important is that Sony will fix them when they release the Update. 2.3.7 is a stable gingerbread version ... keep that in mind. Other people like GS2 Users in Germany don't even have 2.3.7

I hope for google ICS was a lessons learned version and Android 5 won't have the same problems. With ICS they wanted to make it easier for the manufactures but at the moment it is the worst version for them.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Yes, thanks for correction. There are so many of them that everyone get confused (nah, I am confused) Anyways, that will buy them time and they know Xperia S is fully compatible with ICS (it was made for it)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Roman91:
I think wee can put the most intresting posts in the first page, like the PhilAd's post.

The only thing missing in GB is the possibility to create Folders inside the menu, for the rest wee don't need ICS :D:D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mpolanski:
Folders in menu - I totally agree. It's new feauture, not only look change. Anyway I think I've found back in the days launcher for GB that was giving you that posibility.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] juzz|NOR:
I quote the Dev site at sonymobile.

http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/2012/01/10/announcing-our-new-flagship-smartphone-the-xperia-s/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] LahiruRD:
Thx for the info unknown13x :-)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] krabappel2548:
How did you get your Xperia S so soon? It's only in retail stores from yesterday here in Belgium... And on Internet stores for a week or so.. but I'm going to buy one today I think :D

And I'll start developing for XS asap :) You can check out the work I did until now here:

Xperia Neo & Neo V: Xperia Neo KA ICS thread

Xperia Arc & Arc S: Xperia Arc KA ICS thread

Xperia Ray: Xperia Ray KA ICS thread

Xperia Play: Xperia Play KA ICS thread
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mpolanski:
It has been on promotion sale since March 1st in Poland in official Sony store (price was -10%, and 2000 miles for miles and more program). Strange how Sony politics about premiere differs between countries without clear scheme. Same is with updates. India and Singapore are first, and then... Noone knows.

You on the other hand can buy La Chouffe while waiting at almost any store, so don't complain ;-) I have to buy it on-line and wait 7-10 for delivery. Next time I'll send you phone as early as possible, and you'll send me back huge box of those perfect belgian beers. Deal? ;-)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] krabappel2548:
Haha, lol :D

btw: I quoted "Ambroos" his post because he also lives in Belgium and that's why I was wondering how he got the Xperia S so soon :)

I ordered my Xperia S on-line and I'm going to receive it Friday, Saturday probably not, but then surely on Monday :D

I hope you guys are looking forward to my development in Xperia S section of XDA? ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
All we starve here is Development on our beloved Xperia S. so just to let you know, your work is already appreciated.

Bring it on!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I run ICS kangs on my Desire. It's not even official and runs perfectly, zero crashes or issues. So maybe it's not about ICS but about manufacturers and their customisation?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Don't worry. As unknown13x said (and now I can confirm) 452 is still in testing, just a couple regions left, so it won't be long now.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Yeah, testing.

Nowadays we (as final consumers) are the real testers; the funny thing is that we don't even get the products earlier like a real tester should.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
And that is exactly what Sony doesn't want. They want us to get a polished version with all the new features and stuff. It would have made sense if there was a beta for the impatient developers, but it wasn't there. For many reasons.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] frikakwa:
:confused::confused:They implement sense UI for XSX?? :p

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] WasherUK:
Stick to chocolate not jokes ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcjuh:
Its looking more and more like i bought my X10 it was the beginning if the xperia line and every freeking phone that came later got updates even the mini ones eccept the "flagship " x10 itself.... Niw they promise and promise and we see all kinda phones rolling out but nothing for the XS itself. Wouldn't be a suprise if we got this update and then its over with the support of this phone... :confused::what:

Besides that... Every phone has an quardcore... And even now they bring duocore???? :confused::eek::confused:

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
im of the same thinking.. I've had the X10 when it got released 2010.. and this here feels just the same.. and the X10 even had the same hardware as the Xperia arc just a slower GPU.. sony has much to learn.. i think we won't see the update before the 30th June because Sony just wants time and makes it a Lastminute update..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lullesha:
I just can't understand some people...

Quadcore-braggcore, do you actually understand that most, if not all, would never use such computing potential to the fullest.

Only a month ago I used to have HTC Legend, and would still be using it if poor bugger didn't fall face down out of my pocket, with 600 MHz single core CPU, 256-ish RAM, Adreno 200, and with only a slight overclock it ran CM9, read following carefully, BUTTER SMOOTH!!!

Only possible scenarion AFAIK where it did not shine is mobile gaming.

And really the only thing that I oh so long for is mind-blowing vanilla UI. And I know I'll get that soon enough ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Of course i hope you're right.

But only the time will tell us IF you're right.

I don't know how many people are testing the firmwares now, but imho betas close to the retail release should be carried on large scale with the aid of people who doesn't really know or understand the software itself and just want to use it. That's how you discover bugs and problems.

We will see if Sony will release an efficient bug-free software (which i'm expecting to happen after all this waiting, and which every good company should do).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
JOKE. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA.

More cores != better. A dual-core two-coprocessor OMAP5 beats the **** out of a dual-core S4, which, in turn, beats the **** out of quad-core-plus-coprocessor Tegra 3. Use your brains now. Also it's quite solid now that the XPS is getting all 4.x upgrades and likely 5.0, if the hardware requirements are reasonable.

They're testing it on quite a large scale. I still hardly understand why there was no public beta, because from what I heard it was planned for quite some time.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
I'm wondering what will happen to our flagship device.

With all these "new" Xperia models and crappy phones being presented in this period and in the near future i'm starting to be afraid that we should just forget major updates post-ICS.

I hope i'm wrong btw.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcjuh:
Im not saying more core's is better im just saying... Like the x10 beeing the first from the lineup then and forgotten by all the others following after... And with almost the same specs as the compleet line now that followed the xs its beginning to look more and more like then... And they promised us all the updates as well with the x10. I know to that more cores is not better... But it looks like the dont have anything realy new to bring just the box itself all the speca are like each other and nine of them come out with ics just a opportunity to update....

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
You are right, but as you have may noticed Sony is not going to think or listen to what we feel and their first priority as it seems is to flood the market. That has many downsides but hopefully could also have strong affect in future of company but that is something that we have to sit and watch.

We do care because we love Sony and products coming out and also we have bought a device "Xperia S" in this case that still behind where it should be updated a while ago and we see Sony is playing around with a lot more thing and experiment new strategies.

I don't believe flooding the market would bring more customers.

and yet, we are still waiting for ICS update.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] #LOUDmouth#:
Maybe it's because i'm kinda new to this forum and have missed something and believe me, i dont want to upset anyone. But hey, i really dont understand all the *****ing. Sure, SE did make a lot of X10 owners unhappy but that was then and hopefully they have learnt something. Besides, Sony Mobile is sort of a new company.

But most important, the timeline for ICS as communicated by Sony have always been Q2. Your way to quick to judge!

/#LOUDmouth#
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] THeLogiC:
+1

I dont understand all the comments. They always said end of Q2 from starting. I know "ICS upgradable soon" sticker on box is a bit mis leading but still the official statement was end of Q2.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] muzza1986:
I think Sony have mislead lot of people. There is a sticker on the box that clearly says ICS available soon plus when it was first released all the Networks who advertised it did say ICS would be available soon but never gave the impression it would be this long. I hope it arrives by the end of the month, like many other people I'm getting tired of waiting.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dcamposjr:
For me the date remains the same "end of Q2". Have Sony Ericson changed the date again?:mad::mad::mad:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] neotarum:
No, it doesn't say "soon"... please see picture.

Now, that sir, makes a lot of difference.

Am I bothered? Not really... I know the software I have now is very well made and in due course we will get the update to ICS.

And I guarantee you, when we do get the update, we won't stay at that and be "Happy". Custom roms, constantly updated until we move on to next phone...then the next...

The only thing I am annoyed about is the misleading sticker, but that may be due to Engrish! :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] GR0S:
I am unsure about some ICS features, which replaced by sony's own apps, like camera (photo capture while recording video), launcher (new apps menu)..

Can any help me with that?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Photo capture while recording video is there. Widgets in drawer is not there by design.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jimbobcox:
Bet no one bought the phone because of the sticker. Not like they have the boxes out on the shelf is it!! I didnt even see the sticker till i paid!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lullesha:
Enlighten me please, what is it exactly you are waiting so impatiently?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Deniz.S:
exactly! my box doesn't even have a sticker about ICS. Don't understand why everyone's getting so worked up. Nothing's been delayed and even if it does get delayed it will be for a good reason.

now back to the England game.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gm007:
I think you all should enjoy Europe2012 championship while waiting for ICS,maybe it will be release while the final match :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dhilluk:
When I bought the phone in early May, it was already widely known that ICS would be released in Q2. Nothing changed!

The sticker on the box is purely decoration and simply states that it is upgradable; nothing more, nothing less!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lullesha:
France will take the game, being the scumbaggs as they are :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
No one bought the phone because of the sticker.

Most people bought the phone with the expectation of ICS update. I doubt the sticker has any actual use since Sony repeated themselves several times that ICS will be available for Xperia S.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Whichever country wins the Euro 2012 should get ICS one week earlier than the rest of the world.

I should be in charge of Sony Mobile.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kartobot:
They should have released ICS by the end of Euro 2012.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Deniz.S:
i'm screwed then
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Yakandu:
no football please..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] donjamal:
What if I can't unlock the boatloader and ICS comes out but not in my region? Will I be able to flash it with flash tool?

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Yakandu:
obviously yep :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] DooMLoRD:
yes...

though u might not be able to root it
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gtrab:
...with currently available rooting methods

(sooner or later somobody will find the way, maybe you. ;))
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] bsp91:
ics it is more reactive on the xperia s?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Do you mean compared to Gingerbread?

From what we heard, it should be.

But in my opinion the difference shouldn't be that big in terms of reactiveness, as Gingerbread is already quite smooth. ICS will come with other major differences.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kdahri:
I have sent you a private message. I am waiting for your reply ASAP.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nemer12:
like what big differences?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] neotarum:
So, if my network, O2 UK, was to delay the ICS launch, like they did with .75 update, I could just flash another network's one, without unlocking, as my phone is locked??

If so, great!

I wanted to organise my drawer but wonder if it would be a waste of time. will ICS require clean instal our could I just update like .75?

BTW. I also don't think anyone bought the phone because of the ICS sticker, but when I saw it in the shop I was rather happy because of the wording. But after using .67, then (finally!) .75, I'm very happy with the phone and would not even get annoyed even if there was a delay with ICS.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Scratchling:
Yeah, you should be able to flash legit ICS while locked.

It will need a clean install.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gm007:
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/software/upgrade-to-android-4/