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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
Indeed. The only good thing about Apple is that if you have a faulty device, you go to their store and get a new one no questions asked. Asus on the other hand, has been very backwards about making users happy, so people like me, had to return unit to retailer before return window expires, because we cannot trust Asus on providing a fix, and hurt retailer with the returns.

In general, I'm angry with Asus CS and public relations. If they were stellar, I'd happily keep prime no8 and patiently await for the fix.(browser problem and decreased WiFi performance after .21). Unfortunately, judging by experience people had with rma and Asus non-commitment to fix issues (nothing is ever promised and comes out as a surprise, sw updates are just beta) I cannot risk my hard earned £500.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
See, this is what bugs me: stating pure speculation as fact. I don't believe that ASUS did this only or primarily because of the lawsuit. I think they did it because it's the right thing to do. ASUS has always worked hard to make their products work well for the customer, whether it's motherboards, graphics cards, notebooks, or now Android tablets.

It's no coincidence that ASUS has been the best, bar none, at updating the Transformer line--indeed, it's my experience with the original Transformer that turned me into an ASUS "fanboy." I simply looked at how often it was updated compared to other Honeycomb tablets, and the difference was striking.

I think ASUS removed GPS from the specs because it was misleading, and at that moment is the only thing they could have done. This solution took them a few months to work out (and if you think they didn't start working on it the second they realized there was a problem, then you don't understand how such things work). I don't believe for a second that they removed the GPS from the specs, then stood around twidling their thumbs until a lawsuit was filed, and only then started giving some thoughts to a different solution.

Hell, I think that their removing the GPS from the specs was a GREAT first move. They acknowledged the problem publicly, which not many companies are willing to do so quickly. Apple surely doesn't--they might fix a problem in the background, quietly, and of course they have $100 billion in the bank that's been paid for by their customers overpaying for Apple products all these years. But that's a different discussion entirely...

Bottom line is, it's ridiculous that no matter what ASUS does, they get attacked for it. Put someone in the forum to discuss the issues, and they're not being open enough or quick enough in providing information. Admit a problem and say they're working on fixing it, and they're not moving fast enough. Come out with a legitimate solution to a real problem, and it's the wrong problem to solve.

As I've said before, if I were ASUS, I'd have given up on this whole effort. Too much aggravation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
Let me reword it:

In my opinion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
There are those out there that would ***** of you gave them a million dollars because they wanted two.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeJags:
If you are on #8......I have to ask why?......if the problems and quality weren't good enough on the first seven, why keep getting it?......even IF you were to get a perfect one, with everything working, why would you think it would stay that way?.......what would you do if after the warranty period was up, and it quit?......if you aren't happy now, return it, get your money back, and pick another tablet, or wait for a new one to come out......just returning over and over looking for a "perfect" one, which it looks like you don't think exists anyway, seems counterproductive, and would only seem to fuel your fire against them......wouldn't you be happier in general to find something you are happy with, and end all of the madness??.......I know I would......but I've been lucky.....I have only one problem with my C1......no GPS at all.......wifi works up to 110 ft away from my router at work......and about 80 ft at home.......lucky me.......now back to the complaining......

Edit: this isn't anything personal at all......just seems like common sense.......I honestly do not know anyone who would have tried a third one, much less 7 or 8.......but to each his own......
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I would simply call it cause and effect. Approve a release on a device that have many of its consumers to be dissatisfied on quality, then they should clearly accept the effect of it. The clear problems are posted on the stickies, GPS, and weak wifi. Surely, as you can see the xda forum is being monitored by tech sites and what not being mentioned in their blogs. Just remember if there wasnt any commotion here and took the chances of getting flamed on... there would still be no GPS dongle. If they would just fixed the other things... the overall audience would be satisfied. If Asus did fix all the issues tomorrow, there would be complaints on how long it took in the beginning (but you have to understand this has been since the release in December). But eventually, people will settledown since there TF201 is now working properly as it should have been at the release. Of course this is only an opinion of one man.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluefoam:
Ha ha, no. 8... I don't believe you for a minute and even if you were telling the truth, the kind of attention you need isn't available on this forum
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
You are right to an extent. But I still want TFP, its is an extremely promising product but riddled with faults. Going through 8 units made me realise that there are good ones. I won't go into detail here what was wring with each one of them.

Your remark regarding future rma, that, I admit, I didn't think of. I guess I'm willing to try my luck if I do get a good one.

I'm not anti or pro Asus, I just don't like how they handle this whole gps/wifi/berowserfreezinggate.

There is nothing out there that would suit my needs better than TFP, well working TFP that is, and I can be quite persistent if I really want something.

There you go, now you know WHY.

And what makes you think that I care wherever you believe me or not for a second? :)

The only attention I seek is Asuses, and not just for a personal gain, but for all customers in general. I do have a history of trying to help people on these forums you know.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I think the point the ardent defenders are missing is that it isn't "free". For anyone that bought the prime pre-GPS spec removal, they PAID FOR GPS...and it didn't work. Whether they did or not care for the feature is irrelevant, they paid for it. Giving an avenue for making a feature that was paid for actually work is not giving it out free, it's always a free ride when you've already paid.

Its great they didn't tell everyone to pound sand, it really is, but don't come up with some bull**** justification. It's not like they are offering something that wasn't already included, this is no "freebie", its making a wrong right. Good thing to do, but not the same as free.

Now where are the damn pictures of this thing :lol:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>Now where are the damn pictures of this thing

Don't get too excited. Deletion of "leak" thread and removal of free dongle offer are likely because said dongle isn't (yet?) up to snuff, whether it be bugs or subpar performance. Since it's not exactly a complicated item, I'm inclined to think the latter.

BTW, I thought it was a heavy-handed move to delete the entire "free dongle" thread with several hundred posts, likely instigated by Asus personnel, as there was no other cause for it. It's no longer a secret, as it's been posted on all the tech blogs. My opinion of the moderation here has dropped several notches.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] houtx2:
I agree with the moderation comment. There was nothing in the thread that isn't already public. Seems rather extreme to delete the thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That email was never supposed to be posted on a public forum without permission and consent of Asus. the only reason it became public is because it was leaked. thats more than likely why thread was deleted and web page registration retracted.

I told others before that you can't just post an employee or company email. if he wouldve left out names and similar info, thread might still be open.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>That email was never supposed to be posted on a public forum without permission and consent of Asus

I hadn't realized that XDA is now the property of Asus.

Shocking as this may sound to you, but Asus has no power over email sent to an individual user. It may be bad decorum to make a private email public, but it isn't illegal, and it certainly isn't Asus' province to censor anybody here.

The information has been widely disseminated, and is already officially confirmed by Asus on TheVerge and elsewhere. There was no call for its deletion.

>I told others before that you can't just post an employee or company email. if he wouldve left out names and similar info, thread might still be open.

So were you then responsible for its deletion? That would be beyond the pale, even for you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
no I wasn't responsible. I found out through a post in another thread. then that thread got locked also..lok I was surprised that it just vanished like that. I knew it was Very popular.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] n8mack33:
So why not just remove or redact the first post. And if ASUS doesn't want the info out there they shouldn't be emailing it to customers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arby80:
I think the main problem here is that Asus is not up front with there customers about what is going on. Much like the original wifi scandle and release date. Rather than saying there were production issues they kept pushing the date back an not telling anyone.

Sent from my Vibrant Passion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
Ooo, ahhh, a friggin deleted secret post. My god people, acting like it is a government secret of top priority or something.

Also, if no one complained NOTHING would ever get done or move forward. I really doubt Asus would move their ass if no one complained about a defective tablet. So, we have to complain to get things done. We are forced to do so.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lorthirk:
...meanwhile, somewhere in Italy... Asus said that the whole GPS single is not for Italian customers since the Prime was sold without GPS being advertised.

I hope they were not noticed yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
I think is not "where" but "when".

When I ordered/bought it from Amazon DE in Dec 2011 the GPS was in spec.

Later on they removed it. But! still now the new C3 coming out, seem to have GPS.

So I think it will be sent out to all or selected by date of purchase.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I agree. Mods could have just deleted Asus employee info and reworded the post or something.

For Asus not wanting that info released, that falls on that Hai guy. I'm sure he did it in good faith to instill confidence in the customer he was emailing. Regardless though, I know info was never supposed to be released until approved and officially stated. That goes for the piece itself and its testing results. Asus probably had a nice chat with Hai on what happened. They are rigorously testing the piece to insure proper performance. which is smart so it doesn't get rushed out and not perform properly(save the comments, I already know what some people will instantly say..lmfao).

They will release complete details(probably testing results also) upon approval. we already seen another tech site where Asus publicly addressed the matter and said mid April is when we will know more.

All in all, that info being leaked(IMO) seems to have made some very good publicity across all the tech site & blogs for Asus. So I would think it would be in Asus & Prime owners best interest to push this forward accordingly. Then move on to next issue to be addressed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>I agree. Mods could have just deleted Asus employee info and reworded the post or something.

There was no private info in the post. I read it. The Asus email address was already removed by the OP. And the Asus personnel's name was already widely known, and posted, by many others here.

>For Asus not wanting that info released, that falls on that Hai guy.

You should quit with the blame game. There was no blame, because there was no leak. The info was already public. Asus posted the free dongle notice on the same day the email was sent. The offer was subsequently confirmed by Asus.

Whatever the reason, there were several hundred people posting/following the thread, and it was of major interest to most Prime owners in this forum. Peremptorily deleting the thread with nary an explanation is ham-fisted, and is wrong. Whoever was responsible for its removal should have the balls to man up and explain, and if necessary, apologize.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hawke84:
Totally agree, a large chunk of the roms on xda are based on leaked builds, maybe there was some legal threat or threat of no Asus forum help if that thread was left, who knows...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
4/5/2012 Update -

I guess the cat is out of the bag in regards to the planned announcement discussed above. I cannot comment officially at this point but will provide a detailed update once released to do so. In addition, if you PM me, please include an email address for contact within your message. It will greatly facilitate receiving an answer.

Odd huh? Why would someone request a deletion of the thread if they make a post of such nature as above?? Or did Gary Key/Asus simply forget to delete/edit that post/comment along with the deletion of the "GPS Dongle" threads?

Edit: And yet, we continue to see articles such as this one...

http://androidcommunity.com/asus-confirms-gps-dongles-for-transformer-prime-owners-20120407/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shreddintyres:
If you look carefully at the wording of Gary's statement it says nothing about the gps dongle, it simply states some information has been leaked, its possible (based on this statement) that information was leaked and he is confirming it but he has not confirmed specifically what if anything was true and what information he is referencing.

We are simply inferring (possibly correctly) that he is referencing the GPS dongle. In my eyes his statement does nothing to announce the GPS dongle or verify its validity explicitly. Its similar to the something exciting announcements where we have no idea what he is referencing. Since Gary made no explicit mention of the Dongle i assume that he is covering hisself so he doesnt follow the same fate of the ill-fated asus employee who's email was leaked.

The threads with the email were likely deleted because they contain information specific to the name and position of the individual who leaked the information. If we consider all the leaked roms and what not we have no idea who they originated from just who published the leaked info. Additionally if you post any contact information regarding another individual it has been xda's policy (in my experience) to remove that information unless specific permission was given to post it. In this case i highly doubt that permission was given and at the request of Asus or the employee the information was removed.

Regarding the news story you mention, they no make no specific mention of who said what which protects the identity of who ever was involved something, in my opinion, that should have been done when posting the emails

(just my 2 cents)

- Cheers
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
As far as why the entire thread was removed rather than just the original post redacted, I'm guessing that the email was probably quoted throughout the thread, information was referred to that wasn't supposed to be out yet, etc., and rather than go through the entire thread post by post, the mods decided it was easier just to kill it.

Makes perfect sense to me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Funny that some people here prefer their own blinders rather than the facts.

I'll say it again, slow: THERE WERE NO PRIVATE INFORMATION POSTED. Stop with the revisionist theories.

What is fact is that a popular thread that is of legitimate interest to all Prime users was deleted without explanation. I would certainly like to hear why, if nothing else.

Below is the Google cache (yes, try deleting that!) of the thread. You can check it yourself. There were no proprietary info. Every piece of info in the OP was subsequently confirmed by Asus on AllThingsD.com.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...SIokJ:xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1584213+
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Maybe you have some way of following the entire thread, because that's a link to a cache of the first page only. I'm not going to bother following the whole thing, and all I'm saying is: maybe ASUS just doesn't want those emails out there for whatever reason, and maybe they were quoted in other posts in the thread and so it was easier to delete the thread than go through each post. Since I won't search for each individual page in the cache, I'm not sure, and if YOU'VE taken the time to search the cache for each page, then you have more free time than I do.

This really isn't that big a deal. I don't have "blinders" on, I'm just trying to balance the negativity with what I think is an alternative and reasonable explanation. Nobody is owed anything here, including an explanation of why the mods deleted the post.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>all I'm saying is: maybe ASUS just doesn't want those emails out there for whatever reason,

And I'll ask again: Since when has XDA become an Asus lackey that kowtows to whatever a vendor wants?

The OP's post was the only one referencing info from Asus. It has no proprietary information.

Even if there were proprietary info leaked, which there wasn't, since when has XDA become the censor king of leaked info? The fact that XDA itself has become as popular as it is, is because of the hackers here who bucked the corporate mindset.

>This really isn't that big a deal.

Probably not to the fanbois who see Asus as seemingly to do no wrong. But the livelihood of an online forum is its message flow. People's thoughts are important. Censoring, let alone wholesale deletion of several hundred legitimate posts, is indeed a BIG DEAL.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
As I've said before, and I suppose I'll have to say again: it's not about ASUS doing no wrong. Clearly, they've made mistakes. The thing is, they're trying to make them right. Personally, I think they deserve some credit for that, and I like what they're doing--so the rampant negativity and sense of entitlement that runs through this forum matters to me because I can easily see ASUS throwing up their hands in disgust and simply leaving.

If ASUS asked the mods to remove the thread (and that's a big IF, because nobody really knows), then I see nothing wrong with the mods cooperating. ASUS has gone above and beyond in being involved in this forum (name one other company that is so involved), and I think it's simple fairness to work with them in making the forum somewhere that they can remain involved. Certainly, I'd rather see the mods working with ASUS than thumbing their noses at them with the result that ASUS simply withdraws their involvement.

Do note as well that copying an email can be considered copyright infringement, and that information in an email is considered private and proprietary by its very nature. It's simply not true that one can copy an email's contents willy nilly and post them wherever they want. So, whether or not ASUS confirmed the information elsewhere, they very well might have every legal right to demand that the thread (which, again, might have other posts that quoted the email) be removed. And if I were them, and I had the right, I'd do so.

But then again, I understand that I don't have a right to anything on this forum, and that if I don't like how they run things, then I can always find other forums to visit. I've left forums before because of policies I don't like, and I've not demanded anything before I left. I guess it's because I don't have the same sense of entitlement that some other people seem to have.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>If ASUS asked the mods to remove the thread (and that's a big IF, because nobody really knows), then I see nothing wrong with the mods cooperating.

Much of the usefulness that makes XDA what it is comes from leaked info. All of the Asus TF101 custom ROMs were made possible from the SBK key that was leaked. Should every custom ROM thread based on it be removed, just because some Asus rep came on here and ask for their removal? Holy cow, you don't know how way off-base you are.

>ASUS has gone above and beyond in being involved in this forum

That's certainly open to interpretation. It doesn't happen to be mine. Regardless of how "helpful" Asus is, it doesn't give it the right to ask for removal of LEGITIMATE posts on these forums. Or even illegitimate posts.

>Do note as well that copying an email can be considered copyright infringement

Do you even know what copyright means? Are you this dense?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
And with that (ignorant) insult, I'm out. Ad hominem will get you nowhere with me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
I take it that's a NO, then. On your way out, do feel free to bone up on your learning. Here, I'll even help you out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, maybe. But if you look at the original email, or the thread of the GPS dongle, Hai Trat doesn't go into details of gps dongle either. Not only that, but he simply mentioned what was posted in Asus website (offer of free GPS dongle after registration). Hai Trat didn't give any info or explanation of how the device will function.

The person who actually gave detailed info. of the GPS dongle actually came from XDA member.

Here's a quote from the earlier link...

"According to a post on the XDA forum earlier this week, the dongle will fit into the Transformer Prime’s docking power on its bottom edge. While the poster said that it would fit flush with the tablet itself and match the color of the exterior casing, he or she didn’t say whether there would be some kind of pass-through port. "

And multiple sites used his description/detailed information/quote to report the news...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rogue100:
Those disclaimers you sometimes see at the end of emails laying out what you supposedly can and can't do with the content of the email are not legally binding on the recipient. They can put in there that you're not to share it all they want, but they can't really obligate you not to.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shreddintyres:
You do bring up valid points, i was merely pointing out the differences between gary's post and that of the thread, to offer my opinion as to the thread being closed, of course most of what i said is speculation to be taken with a grain of salt.

My apologies if my post came off accusatory or attack like in any way, that was not my intent.

- Cheers
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
All right, since you're stating that I'm ignorant and I'd rather not have that stand, here are some discussions regarding email and copyright. Of course email is copyrighted--it's a written expression that's fixed in a media (electronic, in this case). Why WOULDN'T it be copyrighted?

http://law.unh.edu/thomasfield/ipbasics/copyright-on-the-internet.php

http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

http://www.netmanners.com/660/online-copyright-myths/

That was from a quick Google search. Here's a quote from the last link: