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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
No problem, I did not take it that way. Hopefully, I didn't come off that way to you either.

My personal guess.. for the deletion of the thread has more to do with the 2nd email:

1. Hai Trat giving personal opinion on the state of Prime's WIFI performance

2. Comparison of Prime to other device & recommending C3 version of Transformer Prime as it was comparable to device he tested against.

As far as WIFI is concerned, Asus's official stance is that it performs to their "standard." We have no idea what their standard is but Hai Trat's personal opinion on the matter could be interpreted as ... "yea, Prime has WIFI issue up to C2 version at least".

Oh, and Asus probably didn't want detailed information of the GPS dongle to be revealed.. as I doubt the XDA member had the authority to reveal such information (based on Gary Key's posts.. I doubt he had the authority either til everything was finalized).

Edit: Of course, these are reasons or possibilities IF Asus asked mods for deletion of such threads.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] safarigirl:
@wynand32

Thank you for referencing actual scholarly sources. I don't know why people cite wiki since it is not considered a valid source. But then I may be wrong, since it is what I was taught in school.

I find it shameful that post was deleted and am now actually considering not purchasing another asus product. I have lost respect for this forum; the names and email address could have been easily redacted from the post. Why was their no problem with the post from the very same individual that stated the TF700 would not be released until the end of the year? Seems that was okay, since it helped push people to go ahead and pick up the prime in its embarrassing state of advertised parts not working in lieu of waiting so long for the revised version.

Very disappointing... I feel for those stuck with a substandard device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>All right, since you're stating that I'm ignorant and I'd rather not have that stand

I don't think you're ignorant. I think you're reaching for whatever straws you can grasp to defend what is an indefensible argument. That a legitimate and useful thread of several hundred posts was deleted without explanation was and is indefensible.

The "copyrighted email" excuse was so far a reach that it borders on the ludicrous. It's laughable. In fact, I did laugh out loud.

Neither am I impressed with your fishing expedition on the Internet. On the Internet, you can find any opinion that fits with your leaning, if you dig long enough. If you want to go legal, show me a case where the party was found AT FAULT on copyright grounds for publishing an email he received. Good luck with that.

Yea or nay, the legal beeswax is only a strawman you drew up. The reality is that emails and PMs have been posted on these and other forums on a daily basis. Emails from the same Asus individual, concerning the same type of info, have been posted numerous times on this particular forum. If there were a problem with such, then it would have been spelled out in the moderation rules.

I don't fault Asus personnel for asking, assuming that's what happened. They can ask for the moon if they wanted to. If there is a fault, it's with the moderation, for kowtowing to the Asus request in deleting a legitimate thread, and for not explaning to the forum members why it was done. As said in my first post regarding this issue, my issue is with the moderation, not with Asus.

So, if you were worried that the object of your adoration is being accosted, that you must defend it at all costs, you can rest at ease.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I wish the mod who deleted the thread could add his/her insights on what violation constituted the deletion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
So, I cite a few sources that point out that all written materials are subject to copyright, and thus email are as well, and you link to the general subject of copyright on Wikipedia--and I'm the one who's guilty of presenting bad evidence to back up my position.

Alrighty, whatever you say. I bow down to your knowledge and wisdom, and hereby abdicate the argument.

And by the way, I don't know how many times I have to say it. I'm not defending ASUS here (actually, I would be defending the mods in this case, if anyone). I'm just trying to inject some common sense and reason into what has been a ridiculous thread. If you can't see that, then there's nothing I can do to change it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
"Posting E-mail is technically a violation, but revealing facts from E-mail you got isn't, and for almost all typical E-mail, nobody could wring any damages from you for posting it. The law doesn't do much to protect works with no commercial value. "

The way I understand this copyright or E-mail I guess it all goes down to is there any commercial value to the e-mail? When the E-mail was posted on the forums, there were already tech sites with the same information and registering your prime through Asus will bring up the GPS dongle and its est. release on the same date... If we go to it through technicalities posting the whole e-mail might constitute a violation of some sorts (he should have done excerpts, unless there was more to the email and what we saw were parts)... but it goes down in court there would be no damages since there is no commercial value in the E-mail.

But if memory recalls.. I have seen several E-mails posted that were edit and not completely deleted from existance (Im not going to bother finding them, Im just going from memory).. What makes this one any special from those...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
actually no tech sites had the info before us. one site picked it up after reading it here. then all other sites picked it up like a firestorm. their pics and comments are all sourced from here. I even seen a few sites quoting me. then one site flat out said my xda name and everything. so these sites picked the news scoop up from xda. plus I sure someone recommended this also as an xda news feed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Okay Ill give you that, Im just too lazy to look at the tech sites at the moment. But how about registering your Prime with Asus and then getting the Free GPS dongle for registering by mid or late april.

E-mail was posted on April 6th, same time a blog on android police (link) written on the same quoting xda members at the same time showing this:

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] czerdrill:
Pretty sure it wasn't you who was the op of that thread that was deleted. Strange that they would give your name...

I guess they didn't.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ohwell:
The bottom line is if Asus wants to keep things secret they should do all their testing in house . After the beta firmware testing earlier Gary should know loose lips sink ships and i'm not so sure the dongle information wasnt on Asus registration site before it was posted here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vvveith:
Just out of curiosity.

I ordered my Prime in the second month of this year, from Amazon who was shipping it from another merchant they use. It was advertised as having GPS when I ordered it and it arrived in about three days. It is a BOCAS version and came with no warranty card or anything like that. It seemed to function when I plugged it in to charge, it turned on and booted.

Once it fully charged I set it up and it updated from HC to ICS and had some flickering issues along with non existent GPS. It has a little light bleed but seems like WiFi is okay. Not great but not unusable. All this being said to ask the question, If GPS can only work with WiFi and you already have a phone to use for such things, what good is a GPS dongle that needs WiFi to operate correctly? I understand that having a feature we paid for is important but if in order to use it you have to have a tether to a phone for DATA, what is the point? I guess in my mind, the WiFi/BT issue would be of more importance to all concerned even though we should have GPS as well. Am I missing something here? Thanks to all these comments I registered my Prime but when I received my Prime, even there U.S. support line was non existent at their web site and there was no number to call to even voice any complaints. It was my first tablet and I did not want to let it go and expected ASUS to improve it has time went by. I commend them for doing something to try to rectify the situation but after all this time I feel it is too little, too late. And to openly admit that there are problems with models under the C3 series is a real kick in the face. On top of that all the horror stories about RMA problems really makes you just want to forget the whole thing and try to recoup a little of your original investment. I was on a vacation since Thursday so I missed all this turmoil and just find it a little annoying. Oh well, at least my product is registered now. :mad:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
Looking for some info

Well I was away for a long time after buying the asus transformer prime. The only reason I am back is because I saw a post on Engadget that Asus was giving a GPS to those with GPS problem. When I logged into XDA, I saw that I got a message from Gary Keys answering my questions on how to get a full refund for the Prime. I mean I didn't get the reply until a month later and I didn't log in here until a month later after the reply. So now that makes it a couple of months.

I'm not here to cause trouble or just want my money back for no reason. I was very upset about the purchase. Now that Asus will provide a solution by offering an external GPS add on, I think that is a satisfactory solution. Now, let's not make it hard on us to get our GPS and I will stop boycotting Asus product and stop bad mouthing the Asus Prime everywhere I can get a chance. You see, when you got an unhappy customer thing spread quickly. I'm not the type of person that returns because of a bad pixel or even 4 bad pixel. 5 or more...maybe, but when something don't work right like GPS, wifi, blutooth, it really pisses me off because that's a very important integral part of the tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>The only reason I am back is because I saw a post on Engadget that Asus was giving a GPS to those with GPS problem.

You didn't miss much, just the "free offer" thread that was summarily deleted. The bulk of the thread (the first 20 pages, or 200 posts) can be accessed in Google cache.

To access cached content, copy/paste thread link below into Google search, then click on "cached" link in pop-up sidebar to the right. To access subsequent pages, append &page=N to link, where N = page number in thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1584213

Aside from the first post, there was little "hard news" in the thread, just people reporting their experience registering for the free dongle. Some got the offer, the later ones didn't, which probably meant it was pulled for whatever reason.

As has already been said, it would be nice to hear from those responsible as to why the thread was deleted. The cynic in me says that those involved would just keep clam, as else it would mean somebody would need to apologize for the blunder, which it obviously was.

Asus has already confirmed the info on AllThingsD. Announcement for freebie is on April 16.

"Confirmed: Asus Plans Add-On to Fix Transformer Prime’s GPS Issues"

http://allthingsd.com/20120406/confirmed-asus-plans-add-on-to-fix-transformer-primes-gps-issues/

>when something don't work right like GPS, wifi, blutooth, it really pisses me off because that's a very important integral part of the tablet.

I actually agree with the fanbois in this: Yes, wifi is a critical component of a tablet. If it's not good enough for your use, then you should've taken action on your own, ie return/exchange it within the return window, and not wait around hoping for a fix. Because there is no fix. Hoping that Asus would replace the back, or retrofit the insides, is not a realistic expectation. The cost would be prohibitive.

That said, it's possible for Asus to opt for the same route for an external wifi dongle if it chooses to. It really depends on how much of an optimist you are. I'm not much of one.

What you can do is to start a thread asking a C3 model owner (with good wifi) to do a teardown and take detailed pictures, of the entire circuit from the radio chip to the antennas. If the improvements can be pinpointed, they may be replicable for the older models.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
I just finished registering and no, there were no offer for the dongle. I purchased from gamestop, I know..stupid idea, but what's done is done. They don't offer refunds. So I was stuck with the tablet. Poor wifi, and I don't really use blutooth, but I do expect to use the GPS so I'm only complaining about the things that I need. Wifi is somewhat an issue, but I think I can live with that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robstitt:
The last I heard...everyone has a copyright interest in all of their own writings, but it is difficult to impossible to enforce that copyright without actually registering the copyright (of course, the laws on this vary in different countries). The most effective way to toss some legal weight on keeping lips sealed is to have a Non-Disclosure Agreement signed. That gives legal standing to the stated restrictions. My guess is that it would be extremely difficult to engage in a legal action over an email that got shared publicly.

Oh...unless otherwise agreed upon, I think the copyright belongs to the individual that did the creating. That could throw more hurdles in pursuing a copyright claim over an email that was publicly shared.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
Had an idea.

Demandarin, you seem to do a fair bit of testing for Asus. Like firmwares and dongle. It's good that they have someone from community involved. The only thing is that you are pro Asus i.e. Optimist.

What would be interesting to see, is if Asus got someone else who is a Pessimist to do testing parallel with you. People like junrider, e.mote, me and there are few others. That would would make quite a few people fair bit more patient I think. If you read into our posts, it's fairly clear that we are not anti Asus as such, but just not happy with how Asus handle tfp drama. Willing to pass this idea on? I'd be willing to buy prime no9 for that (was very happy with no8 hardware wise, but. 21 made wifi + bt worse and didn't fix browser freezes, and due to uncertainty wherever Asus will fix it or not returned within my window).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
Indeed!

I have been testing Skype since day 1 as NDA, and 2 years ago I started as NDA for Netgear.

There must be a "dark side of the moon" for good testing not just an superficial, optimist one.

Plus, you have to act as a "user", that demand that all the specs are respected and working. NOT partially working. You pay full price not half of 2/3 of the device.

I like ASUS too, we have also a laptop in the family and it's fine.

The Prime is fine too, if the 2-3 major issues were fixed and working.

I asked in a mail to ASUS if they could use NDA testerss, because they can do a lot more than the internal QAs and Devs.

Anyway, we are here not to shoot them dead, we are here firstly because we are not 100% satisfied customers, secondly because we would like to be satisfied customers, when we have helped them in finding and fixing all the issues.

There will never be, never a device that is 100% free for problems, we agree, but the 2-3 major issues on the Prime are vital, critical and decrease the use and value of the tablet a lot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Looking for an update to ICS 4.0.4 with fixed game crashes and reduced wifi battery drain :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jwe222:
Based on my previous post it is should be clear that I think GPS is the right problem to fix however, it is too soon to say if it is the right fix and properly administered. Regardless i think an interesting question is now raised.

Will the sketchy refund offer for users with dud GPS be withdrawn now if an alternative fix is available? I hope not.

I think ASUS deserves credit for devising a dongle solution but I also accept that there will be a number of people who will not be happy with this outcome and may still seek refunds.

I don't think they should be denied.

And while i'm posting..... some fans seem to think things are either black or white.... people should either be happy with their primes or return them for refunds. To these people i say i am sorry but i am both keeping my prime and will continue to be critical of it's shortcomings. Things are not simply good or bad in the real world. There is much to love about the Prime and much that could and should have been done better. Hopefully the GPS dongle is evidence of an ongoing commitment of ASUS to address the concerns of customers like myself.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cenonmin:
For me, I wait for the day that Google update Android so that its responsiveness when being used is on par with the iPad. I am not an Apple fan boy and I bought the TF201 thinking that the 4 cores will make it run as smooth as the iPad. After using for several months now I am still disappointed with the performance of my TF201 escpecially when I pick up and use an iPad.

No flaming intended, I just wish Google would make Android better in terms of user experience. It has so much going for it in all other areas.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Will probably never happen. Android is built totally different than iOS. In iOS as soon as you hit the screen with your finger everything stops loading and all cpu power goes into rendering (test it in browser and hold the screen while loading a page. It will never stop loading). Android always does stuff in the background and more at once, so there are some microlags sometimes but stuff gets done faster.

There is a very long article about it on the webs. If google wanted to change android all apps would have to be rewritten which sucks. And frankly I dont care. I have never experience that much lag on my TP that it would bug me.

And the user experience update already came out its called ICS Ice Cream Sandwich ;) Its simple, elegant and very functional. I dont see where it lags behind compared to iOS. It just doesnt come to the user in most cases because of stupid 3rd party UIs.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluefoam:
As a designer I have to disagree with you. I am totally against transitions and fancy effects and think the ICS user interface is very simple yet good...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cenonmin:
You are probably right on this, still one can hope ;)

I was not referring to "eye candy" or effects as such (I don't about that either) but more with the responsiveness of the system when being used. When I scroll through apps I see microlags, when I open the app drawer, microlags. These small things just bring it down but as posted above they are the result of differences in OS design. I will just keep hoping coz I love the Prime ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stormaker:
Hi, its OT but just wanna add something. Putting high hope n expectation on google n android is good but compare it to IOS on the smoothness only is just wrong, because IOS is just an app drawer, but app drawer just a small part of android. Hope u get the picture, n imagine what happen if a quad core processor used just to run app drawer ? :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hi nxp3. Welcome back to the forum =)

But yea, you really didn't miss anything. It took a lot of *****ing & complaining (possibly even lawsuit) for Asus to start providing refunds... but even on that front, the reports are mixed & various.

As far as GPS dongle is concerned, it isn't finalized yet ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TrekMD:
Looks like Gary just posted an update and the official word on the dongle will be given next week. Looking forward to more details on this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pbelcomp:
4/9/2012 Update
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Sounds good, patiently waiting for the news to come. We should have an image of the gps dongle soon..hopefully this should make all users happy since the testing is pretty much done and the dongle works ;)

The updated Primes should fix the wifi/bluetoth issues, so RMA devices should be updated accordingly once the updated devices are in supply.

If we can all show some sort of patience and NOT complain about every post that Gary makes, he may be willing to post more info. Putting the complaints/attitudes aside, I think we all can agree that Asus has shown awareness of the issues, and are addressing them (slow for some, but yes they are being addressed).

These fixes take time, there is no magic button to push to solve these issues, and like most of us, Gary has a boss who has to give him permission before he can make announcements.

Just saying, but it would be nice to go through one week without the bickering back and forth between us..maybe you guys would like to stop by my house for some beer and a movie, on me!

P.S. I am not covering airfare charges!! :) :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] claude4:
Referrence to updated TP "should fix WiFi\BT

MRCANNADY,

I am eager to buy a TP if it werent for the Wi-Fi\BT issue and wonder ifthere is a clue as to what the new, fixed, serial numbers would start with?

Point being I would wait to make sure that the unit ordered would have thefix in place already vs. buying and then having to do an RMA.

Make sense?

Thanks,

Claude H.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
I hear you. it's funny, because some of us, including myself, can use the combo of bluetooth with wifi just fine, while others can't. I have one of the early models as I purchased a Prime during the first week of launch. I only see about a 3-4mbs difference when streaming with netflix through my bluetooth headphones, with no buffering at all. it could be router-dependent also, I have verizon fios which gives me a great signal throughout my house.

I would recommend that you look to buy one of the newer models (I have the earlier Bockas)

i can say at least for myself, that the Prime is a great device to own. On the train ride this morning some lady was looking over my shoulder watching a movie along with me. She was so impressed by the display and thinness of the device, that she asked me for the store where i purchased it from.

So in short, I would say go for it, but purchase from a store where you can safely return it if you run into any problems.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
So are we assuming or know for sure if Asus is going to RMA every device for the BT/Wifi issue and fix it or replace it? What is the proper way to test for this problem since I havent' used a bt device with the Prime yet? Are we looking for over buffering during a steaming movie or just run a speed test?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
-No, only for those who have issues and request a RMA. Also note that some people have received their RMA's with the same issues as before. I think that once Asus has a good supply of the primes with the updated interiors, all who submit for an RMA should receive the newer models.

-Try using netflix, youtube or Skype with a pair of bluetooth headphones using wifi. For some, this seems to be inpossible as they have constant buffering which is due to an already weak wifi signal compounded by a single chip being shared between wifi and bluetooth

Also,run a speadtest with wifi on, but bluetooth off, then, while both wifi and bluetooth are on (and bluetooth headset connected) run another speadtest. if you see a significant drop in speed results, then yes you should request a RMA.

Also note that most devices 9phones, tablets etc) also show a decrease in wifi speed when both wifi and bluetooth are being used, not just the Asus. however, due to the backplate, pongs not connecting properly issues (for some of us) this problem is amplified.