yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
@ebenze - so yes, Other micro USB jig is what I'm referring to and AWESOME you have One!!!

In terms of images - some ROMs have that capability (MIUI for sure, DARKY'S I believe through their OTA app). There are probably apps you can get to back those things up as well - I usually end up resyncing the accounts, and I use Google so it just propagates down.

In terms of an image, you want to read up on nandroid back up - you do this from recovery.

To get your feet wet, I recommend the following:

1) root your device. Use some rooted apps (TB, etc.). And just try it out on 2.2 (not 2.3.3)

2) flash voodoo666 - that will give you a rooted froyo With custom recovery and you can see what that means, do a backup, etc.

That's what I did when I first started before ever flashing a ROM. Won't take you long to get comfortable - or you know, just dive in :)

</not an iPad>
[Fascinate General] Matt5606:
@koocheese

Thanks for that info! I wasn't aware that some people couldn't get their imei back even though flashing back to stock, and kudos for finding out why kies wouldn't give you the update. I'll keep all that in mind for next time!

Sent from my Telus Fascinate running OneCosmics ICS!
[Fascinate General] ebenze:
Any particular reason why you suggest to try out on 2.2 and not 2.3.3? Is 2.3.3 bad to start from or work with?

From everything I read, the "secret" to any successful backups/recovery/roms/etc is to install CWM before doing anything else.

Thanks,

Eric
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
You cannot get recovery working on 2.3.3 with a working phone. Speedmod is as close as it gets which bootloops. So if you want to just get a feel for root + CWM try that on 2.2 for a bit then jump to custom ROM from there.

Just a suggestion :)
[Fascinate General] ebenze:
Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand. Am I to understand that in 2.3.3 you cannot make a nandroid backup and restore it without crashing? But root + CWM does work in 2.3.3 - doesn't it? I was sure I read somewhere that S1C works on 2.3.3 now. So it would just be the restore that would be problematic? If so, doesn't that mean that in essence, any backup of 2.3.3 is almost worthless?

Thanks!

Eric
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Ok - perhaps we should go out for a beer (more because I like beer :) )

One thing to keep in mind, was this was something a bunch of us did in the summer prior to jumping onto custom ROMs, so there very well may be ways to get recovery working with a bootable phone but I'm not aware of them.

So when we had froyo, you could root it with SuperOneClick - and then you could flash a voodoo kernel that worked perfectly with our phone. This gave you root, plus CWM plus some lagfixes and other functionality above the stock kernel and stock recovery.

Then we all upgraded to GB - 2.3.3 via Kies. That removed our root access, and we lost our custom recovery. Someone (post is in the forum) found that we could flash the speedmod kernel and use a root function in its recovery - you could also make a backup of your ROM here BUT the phone wouldn't boot, so you would need to reflash the stock kernel to boot up - but you'd have a rooted 2.3.3 GB stock rom BUT no custom recovery. If you needed to restore your backup, you'd need to first flash speedmod and go from there.

So to answer your questions, yes - you can backup 2.3.3 and becuase its the ROM and NOT the kernel, it is not a corrupt backup. However, to use that backup, as you can see above you need to jump through a few hoops flashing speedmod, backing up / restoring, reflashing stock, etc. - not perfect but back in the day it sufficed cause that was all we had (we also had to go up hill to school - both ways LOL)

So my advice was simply, if you are new to flashing, using 2.2 might be better cause you can reboot to recovery, play with some settings, use your rooted phone, etc. Its a better platform just to get you confident. Trust me - it won't take long before you try a ROM especially now that we have a great t959d community here as there is lots of help - and feel free to hit me up with a PM if you have questions.

Just back from hockey, tired ... need sleep before I head to work in the AM.
[Fascinate General] koocheese:
I can confirm S1C works on stock 2.3.3, did it last night. It runs through a lot of checks, takes quite a long time, just let it run.
[Fascinate General] ebenze:
Thanks for the confirmation. But can you put in CWM and restore on 2.3.3? JP's post seems to indicate that he wasn't sure it was possible (based on experiences from last year).

How long did the process take you?

Tx,

Eric
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
You can put on speedmod and use its CWM to backup and restore - you just need to restore the stock kernel afterwards (via odin) to boot your phone.

I'm unaware of a kernel with recovery that works on telus stock 2.3.3 - there may be one though.
[Fascinate General] ebenze:
I feel like such a newbie sometimes in these forums; it is really not a condition that I am accustomed to being in. Forgive the ignorance, but I am confused when you talk about a kernel with custom recovery. Can you please elaborate what you mean by that?

Going from my *nix background, the kernel is responsible for the low level/hardware functions of the device. So I'm not entirely clear why one kernel would allow for recovery and not another. I'm sure I'm just not grasping a minor concept, but I am kinda lost (and feeling really weird about it).

Thanks,

Eric
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
LOL no worries ill write something up later if no one beats me to it.

</not an iPhone>
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
OK so I'm not very technically versed here, but yes, the kernel is the low level stuff - it essentially is responsible for communicating to the phone hardware (which is why a kernel can improve performance, battery life, etc.)

The stock kernel which comes with stock recovery is VERY limited - no backups, no flashing zips other than update.zip and no other kewl features. Custom kernels tend to have custom recovery offering a suite of extra features and a prerequisite for the flasher.

All custom ROMs I'm aware of come with a custom kernel to allow you to tweak, and flash new versions. That being said, you need a kernel that will work on your phone. Voodoo works on froyo, but not GB. I Speedmod works with GB but not the bootloader (I think - Buck/Matt would know more here) so the phone won't boot even though you can use the CWM.

That's kind of it.... Not sure if it helped or just muddied the waters some more. :)
[Fascinate General] ebenze:
Thanks for the info. I think I am starting to understand a little better now, but I am still a little confused. What point is a kernel that works with GB, but not with the GB bootloaders? Am I to understand that the only way to make the Speedmod kernel work is use a Froyo bootloader?

Thanks,

Eric

---------- Post added at 11:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 PM ----------

Ok ... now I'm even more confused. I ran S1C and can confirm as well that it worked to root the T959D running Gingerbread 2.3.3. Took about 5 mins (a lot of 40s pauses).

Now here is where I am confused. If I use the ES File Exporer app, I can see the root folder and all the subfolders. Great. I was hoping/expecting now to be able to mount that on my PC and copy everything over as a backup. But for some reason, when I mount the USB, I only get access to what is in /sdcard/ visible. And to make things even more confusing, when the phone is usb-mounted, then ES Explorer complains that /sdcard/ isn't even mounted. However, if I disconnect the USB connection, I can access /sdcard/.

So now I am very confused. I realize that I can use TB to make a full backup, but was being a little paranoid, and figured I might be able to copy everything over manually as well.

Is there no way to mount / on the PC?

Thanks,

Eric
[Fascinate General] bucknetbucky:
Fantastic choice I am on it now. Wicked fast and smooth as butter;)
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
BUCK!
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
Oh really? Well which gapps do I pick? There's so many.... And the labeling is weird.

And tirami(tirrai? Whatever) slim is massive. It's almost 400mb. Is that because of aroma?
[Fascinate General] bucknetbucky:
Yes all the options available make it huge. Only took like 10 min to download though.

Gaps was included in my install so not sure why you would need it.
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Tira that good Buck? Looks alot like slim (and based on it I think).
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
I meant with cm9 and yeah. I just wasn't expecting it. I still haven't switched. Haven't had the time to set aside for configuring everything back to my liking
[Fascinate General] bucknetbucky:
It is based on slim and do far it is that good.

It's fast and smooth I will give it a 9 out of 10 only because I have had to put into sleep before being able to answer a call. Other then that no issues at all.
[Fascinate General] AluminumHaste:
Hey JP there's a new update to SlimICS to 4.1, installed it already, running just as well as before lol, but hey, bigger numbers!!!! :good:
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
LOL. Yeah, updated last night and made all my tweaks. :)
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Cool - so far still sticking with Slim - mostly no time to play, but man Kravind makes updates pretty quick - each one being pretty darn stable. Not a fan of the touch recovery, but I flash semaphore over top of it anyways.

4.1 just came out - so on that now - but I don't see any major changes with that - just bug fixes I think - plus he's up'ed the number of devices he's supporting.

Still love the ROM - has themeing now but I have not really played with that, pretty much sticking with the out of the box experience save for the kernel change and the launcher change. :)
[Fascinate General] AluminumHaste:
Hey JP, I keep looking at buying Nova Prime but I can't figure out why I would as the free version does everything I need. What were the features of Prime that you thought were worth having?
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Honestly, I could not live without the teleport functionality with Prime ;)

Actually, there's no BIG driver - message counts and such on the icons are nice (badges on SMS, gmail) and gestures plus more animations. The real reason I went with Prime is that I use a LOT of apps that are available for free (and ROMs and Kernals for that matter) but I feel like I need to give back to the developer community at times - so have no problem throwing in 1-5$ for a useful application. Now, not all the applications I bought are useful and I own like 4 launchers which is ridiculous (apex, nova, LPP, and ADW). I do have to fire off some donations to a few of the ROM developers though as well as Stratosk for the semaphore kernel - sometimes I wish they had a simple tweaking application available in Play as that is a great way to offer just a tiny bit of eye candy and get some real revenue back for the work (and I'm lazy and that's an easy way for me to buy stuff LOL)
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
Tiramislim is pretty nice. Aroma was what made it worth it though. I got to get Swype back as well as a bunch of other things. I miss the aesthetics of miui. But I'd say this version of slim is equal to actual slim but it wins due to aroma
[Fascinate General] bucknetbucky:
My install had Swype installed. Option to pick in the installer :)
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
I know it's great! Is this the full version of Swype?
[Fascinate General] bucknetbucky:
Well they say beta but it works forever
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
Here's hoping they never stop development.

It's gotten a lot better since the version that came with the fascinate
[Fascinate General] arien12:
You really need to update the first post in the ICS rom section to include a step to upgrade the modem. I thought there was something wrong with my rom (SlimICS 4.1) and did all sorts of database and config editing, thinking there was something not set up with my APNs etc. when all I needed was a modem compatible with ICS.

As a first timer to flashing a rom on my SHG-T959D, it wasn't as clear as it needed to be. (kernels go in the pda slot in odin?! Where the heck am I supposed to find the right modem?! How do I enter recovery mode?! there is a severe lack of links to mentioned files!)

In spite of my criticism, I really appreciate this write up. Thank you! ICS is amazing! :)
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Thanks. I updated the modem section of my first set of posts to have more details and include links to perkas. Flashing Slim should have installed a compatible modem for you though (although better ones are available) so not sure what happened to you there.

Thanks for the notes and always feel free to ask questions. When I started this, it was for just a few users (all active here) cause we had so much information literally over about 8 threads and X number of posts. Its been a long time since I've done things just learning, so I do take some things for granted - so if for any of the questions you have above you'd like to see on the front page - given you just went through it - tell which post and what to put in to make it clearer - I'll do my best to update - also any helpful reading. We cannot have everything here obviously as it would need to cover too many ROMs and things change - but let me know what you thought was great. We also kind of assume folks know of Odin and how to CWM - and which is which - so if there's how tos you needed to get up to speed send me those links - I'll post'em.

As an aside, and one of those things I forget, if you flashed semaphore - your soft keys will work to navigate through CWM :)

Thanks for the notes, and welcome to flashing club for the T959D. :)
[Fascinate General] AluminumHaste:
So I switched to TiramiSlim, don't notice much difference as stock SlimICS is pretty fast and smooth already. The installer is very nice though pretty slick setup. Still running latest Semaphore, I love all the tweaks it can do. Speaking of which, Semaphore seems to be able to do all the tweeks that NSTools can do and more, can I just uninstall NSTools?
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
I just did it. No problem.
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
Do any of you know how to edit the vold.fstab properly so it mounts the External SD card as /sdcard/ and the internal storage as /emmc/ I've got a 32 GB MicroSD today and would prefer to use that for all my phones storage like music and application data. I've found a guide for the Samsung Galaxy Note and the S2 but wasn't sure if that would work for this phone. Thanks. :)
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Have never done that but let us know what you find out.
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
I sure hope our phones are jelly bean capable
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
Will do. :)
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
Andy Thompson's MIUI has Emmc support. I have no idea how he pulled it off though. Maybe I can grab the .apk for you?
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
I don't think it can be done through an APK sadly. :/ I was thinking about switching to a MIUI based rom anyway. If you're currently running it, what kernel are you using with it and does it run fast? Any lag?
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Finn has been on Andys ROM for a while with semaphore. He loves it, no lag.
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
I'm on it right now. Seems to be running ok so far. :)
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
I went back to it. It has an appeal which I can't describe. I'll be trying CyanogenMod eventually though.

Running semaphore 1.2.5s as far as I know. Only lag is when there's a ton of stuff going on. I may have lingering scripts or something. Finn has none
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
I'm liking MIUI. The original launcher made my phone lag so I switched to APEX Launcher which makes everything run great but sadly the MIUI theming feature won't change the icons on it. Everything seems to be running better than my previous experiences with MIUI based ROMs. I love all the features it has.
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
I wonder if there is a way to keep themes and not use mihome. I know some launchers support that.

I'll get back to you on that
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
I switched back to MiHome and turned the "Keep Launcher in Memory" option off. It doesn't seem to cause any lag or slight slow downs at the moment. Of course it will cause redraws every once and a while but I can deal with it.
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Happy Canada Day
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
Happy Canada Day to you too. :)
[Fascinate General] spacekobra:
Happy Canada day as well!
[Fascinate General] Appetisaac:
Low on space notification on slimics,any fixes?
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
Try one of these:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1665742

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1541942
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Are you using Chrome?
[Fascinate General] Ipse_Tase:
Indeed :)

Quick question for you (and anyone that can help): I just scored a Fascinate S from FS this weekend (I hope, hasn't shipped yet) which I plan to use on BELL Mobility.

If I go the SlimICS route will I:

- have to do anything about the modem in particular? How do I get the one ur using T959TLJL3 - I assume it should work with Bell since it's a common 3G network

- does the kernel you're using (Semaphore) come with the ROM (I didn't see this particular one in the list)

- should I expect camera problems (been reading some comments on that)

- other caveats?

I want to go ICS from the get-go (unless someone tells me GB is still faster and less power hungry).

Thanks!
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Just my two cents

Nothing in particular really - and the modem included should work. Please see the post on the front page of this thread regarding modems - Perkas have a ton you can try and I do recommend the one in my signature.

It does not come with Semaphore - I flash this separately.

Camera works AOK for me.

This is still my favourite ICS ROM after trying a few and works great, and is very stable. Should work fine on bell so long as your phone isn't locked (doesn't sound like it is). Other changes I make after flashing SLIM are:

1. Flash SLIM as per the instructions on the ROM site.

2. I then make changes to my GPS.CONF and BUILD.PROP as indicated on the front pages of this thread.

3. I Then boot into recovery and flash Semaphore.

I do some other minor things here and there, but those are things for me - coming from stock, you will want to follow the steps on the first few pages for flashing ICS and read up on stuff if you do not know how to use it including ODIN, clockwork, etc.

Last but not least, keep asking questions - the group here is happy to help.
[Fascinate General] Ipse_Tase:
Blistering fast response :)

I'll grab as much info I can beforehand and might come back with questions after getting the actual phone :)

Good chance it is locked to Telus - will try the current Unlock_SGS first.
[Fascinate General] Appetisaac:
I want to go ICS from the get-go (unless someone tells me GB is still faster and less power hungry).

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Quadrant scores slimics=1300,allianceggb=2300

flash modem and semaphore after flashing slim+common,camera works fine. Quadrant Smadrant?
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
New ics Darky ROM out, might be worth checking out.
[Fascinate General] Ipse_Tase:
Did some reading and downloaded the required files, with 2 problems/questions:

- Perka's site http://perka.zapto.org/ seems to be not working - I could not get anything for modems

- found the Semaphore 1.2.5 kernel - am I correct that the "s" version is for SLIM ROMs (such as SlimICS)?

Oh, and which Recovery do you recommend? I got the older one cwm-recovery-ALL.tar 2.5 (as it seems to be working for all ROMs).

Cheers.
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Yeah, you might need to use Perkas app now only. If you PM me an email address I could send you a flashable though
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Oh, and yes to the s.

Although I've never flashed a recovery only for this phone, recovery will come with whatever kernel you select.
[Fascinate General] karmatose:
I'm backing up my phone right now to try this. Still running my JW1 base flash from December and it's starting to get a bit laggy. Time to try something different.
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Let us know how it goes :)
[Fascinate General] Appetisaac:
just tried darkyB but no TVout so back to slim.Seemed not a lot different to slim, just magnified.Maybe slim a tad snappier.Does anyone here find a need to O/C their ics rom? Should one O/C slim using NStools or semaphore? Why bother?
[Fascinate General] finneginsfast:
Link for Darky's ics: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1750081
[Fascinate General] Ipse_Tase:
I'm new to the Samsung family - so this might sound like a noob question: O/C has to be done via NStools or I could just use SetCPU or CPUMaster?
[Fascinate General] finneginsfast:
I always overclock and use either NStools or the Semaphore script manager to do so...doesn't need to be done but can be if you want. Highest I've found stable with my phone is 1220MHz anything over that and I start having issues.
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
I don't overclock now but do use different governors in semaphore
[Fascinate General] Ipse_Tase:
So SetCPU or CPUMgr won't work? I use them on my XOOM running 4.0.4

Or it's just a matter of preference for the tool used...
[Fascinate General] finneginsfast:
Yah I'd say give it a shot, most likely just a matter of preference.
[Fascinate General] jonnyb16:
Where do I have to save a theme file for it to show up and use in the slim theme choose?
[Fascinate General] Dayfid:
Install the APK like normal than select the theme in the theme Chooser, hit apply, Kill your launcher or reboot your phone.
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Looks like tiramislim has a version 2 - based on slim 4.2 - and has some jelly belly goodness too - might be a to do for me when vacation starts ;)
[Fascinate General] karmatose:
So I'm on DarkyROM 11 Black Edition and so far it's fantastic. Half the ram usage of my previous rom at idle and seems awfully fast. No issues getting it installed using a combination of things I read in this thread and the directions over on the darkyrom website. Also flashed the KG3 modem which I got from Perka's. Both recovery and download modes are accessible via button presses when I turn the phone on which is a nice change from the last roms I was running.

I'll update in a few days with some real world feedback on the ROM, but as my first ICS experience, I have to say that it's pretty good.
[Fascinate General] jbrnd:
Download mode gone

I thought I'd try an ICS rom on my Telus Fascinate 3G+, so I first installed the DarkyROM 10.2. That worked fine, but after flashing the Semaphore kernel and the Slim ROM, the phone just boots to recovery.

Also, when I try to get into download mode, the phone just displays the battery charging animation for a second, then goes back into recovery.

Is there anything I can do from recovery that wouldn't require download mode? I just ordered a USB jig, but it may be a few days before I get that.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[Fascinate General] moosehead11:
Did you Flash both the ROM and the Common file?
[Fascinate General] jpmccarthy:
Cannot wait to hear more!
[Fascinate General] karmatose:
I'm not sure what you mean. This is what I did to get everything working:

Flashed back to stock 2.2

Updated to 2.3.3 and flashed speedmod kernel

Flashed Glitch from page one here via cwm

flashed cm9

wiped everything via cwm and flashed DarkyROM 11

... copied EFS folder back from the backup I created

It seemed to work fine.
[Fascinate General] jbrnd:
I did, one file called I9000_4.2.zip and one file called Slim_Common.zip. I suspect the boot loop may have something to do with the lag fixes in the Darky ROM.

I followed the instructions at w ww.slimroms.com/installation.htm. I've been trying to find a version of the Darky ROM that can be flashed from recovery, but I haven't been successful.
[Fascinate General] karmatose:
FWIW, I had no boot loops... even with CM9.
[Fascinate General] moosehead11:
Those are the right files

I think you are supposed to turn off all the lag fixes before doing any flashing...but i could be wrong
[Fascinate General] Appetisaac:
darky11 can only be flashed through recovery, no odin files.