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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] case0:
I was a little bit disappointed too. Especially because I expected AOKP to make my Galaxy Nexus smoother than stock. Turns out it is probably worse if anything.

But now I know to try Bugless Beast! I don't think I'll miss all of the extra features on AOKP. Cheers for the recommendation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
I would also try franco's nightly kernels.

His nightly kernels have the gpu overclocked to 512mhz. There is a noticeable performance improvement in the browser scrolling with the gpu overclocked.

And I also found AOKP extremely sluggish. I moved over to cm9 and its faster.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
Ok will do. Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] stupidslow02gt:
Am I insane for thinking AOKP is as smooth as the butter in my refrigerator? I've had no problems except for typing in the browser like I'm doing right now :)

And I thought Franco was totally against OC the GPU. Can anyone confirm that its actually OC. Also what's faster bugless beast or cm9!?

Thanks in advance :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
When I used Franco's Kernel in the past, it was buggy for me and had bad battery life. Lean Kernel has worked the best for me out of all the kernels I've used.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] stupidslow02gt:
I thought Franco was way smoother and less buggy than lean :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] franciscofranco:
Its just an experiment but yes its way smoother with 512mhz.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] stupidslow02gt:
Well **** Franco I would love to flash your nightlies but I can't find a change log of them for the life of me. I would hate to end up with that annoying 3.5mm sound pause glitch. Milestone 1 is flawless for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ragnarokx:
From my experience,

Speed/smoothness: Bugless Beast > CM9 > AOKP

Amount of features: AOKP > CM9 > Bugless Beast

I switched over to BB because don't use/can live without most features in AOKP, and the stuttering of the UI was bugging me.

Lean was my favorite until I tried Trinity. Awesome performance and got about 28 hours with 4 hours screen on time on one charge. I used the test version caelp btw.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lazaro17:
I remember reading this in an article a while back too. Can't remember the details but was definitely along the lines of iphone handing it's UI as main priority where Android would have to be rebuilt in order to take this approach with some sort of legacy mode for older apps.

Actually here's the link:

http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/

It was insight from an ex googler supposedly but his job history has come into question in the comments.

Here's a good example of how both OS's handles its UI:

You can see it for yourself. Grab your closest iPad or iPhone and open Safari. Start loading a complex web page like Facebook. Half way through loading, put your finger on the screen and move it around. All rendering instantly stops. The website will literally never load until you remove your finger. This is because the UI thread is intercepting all events and rendering the UI at real-time priority.

If you repeat this exercise on Android, you’ll notice that the browser will attempt to both animate the page and render the HTML, and do an ‘ok’ job at both. On Android, this a case where an efficient dual core processor really helps, which is why the Galaxy S II is famous for its smoothness.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotshotz:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/20018-axi0m-crossbreed-v6-sho-aokp-404-kanghybrid-392012/

axiom's builds are blazing fast and buttery smooth. you need to try it out as its comparable to iphone level smooth.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] newtonexus:
in terms of speed, i think it may be possible to be as fast as iPhone,

however it will still feel not as 'smooth' as iPhone because Android generally lacks the bouncy effect (e.g. when you scroll to end of a page) of iOS which prevents an abrupt stop to your scrolling. Also, the acceleration & deceleration of a scrolling page on iOS feels more natural then Android in general.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
As long as the iPhone is lower resolution and insists on one giant app drawer as a UI, it will be smoother.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] YoungAceAtlanta:
hmm put Gingerbread on Nexus and im sure it will be as smooth as ever..

my iPhone seem to slow down every day now.. maybe its due to the amount of apps i have installed.. or maybe its the jailbreak who knows..

my GS2 Device is just as smooth as the iPhone tho..

Stop worrying about the iPhone, Due to the fact that at the moment.. IOS is a little simple piece of software.. it takes hardly no power to power the tiny screen (compared to the nexus HD display), it only takes 512 of ram to run iOS, it has no animations, No true multitasking

pretty much when your just looking at your home screen your device is idle. your CPU etc only starts working when your actually using the device to run apps.. Its nothing going on in the background of the iPhone that is forcing the CPU to work.. everything is just clocked on the iPhone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
There are two possible outcomes with roms on this device. As fast as stock and slower than stock (when devs bloat it up). The only advantage performance wise that axiom has is 4.0.3 vs. 4.0.2.

Any other aosp rom can give you the same.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Gingerbread would be nothing but chop on this device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] stupidslow02gt:
So the general consensus is that lean plus cm9 is the fastest, most stable approach to take.

Anyone have any other opinions about Trinity kernel? 4 hours of screen on time is unheard of. I've only seen just over 3.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bimmerboii:
I have both the 4s and gn. Side by side, when a webpage is loading the gn stutters. However, the gn loads any web page FASTER than the 4s. A fully loaded webpage doesnt stutter on my stock gn. And take into account we got flash player dragging the gn down.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ragnarokx:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23377283&postcount=1085

It's hard to say as morfic has many different versions of Trinity: one stable, a few experimental, and a lot of test versions. Stable build is as advertised - dependable, good performance and battery life. I've tried 3 of his test builds: aelp, caelp and waelp. I didn't care for aelp. The caelp is what gave me 4 hours on screen time (pic in link above), but gives the occasional random reboot, which I'm working on fixing now by tweaking voltages. As for waelp, I find it doesn't perform quite as well as caelp but it has similar battery life to caelp and is completely stable. And don't ask what the abbreviations mean unless you speak German :p

Not if you use Chrome, which is ironically slower without flash. It is getting better though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sleuth255:
You don't have carrier info in your profile so I can't tell if you have a toro or maguro GNex. If toro, try the 4.0.4 OTA leak.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zeke1988:
the smoothness from 4s is un-describable. it really smooth from opening, closing app and navigating. as for GN, it's snappy, but not smooth. it feels like making a sharp turn and while 4s feels like drifting/sliding feel.

iOS UI + Android customization = my dream phone haha
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
So you want a customizable app drawer for a UI?

;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] njKeever:
No love for GummyNex? I'm running it with Franco kernel and it is as smooth and responsive as can be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
This is my recipe for a super smooth gn:

* Cm9

* Franco nightly w gpu oc 512 and CPU oc 1.35

* V6 super charger script w services.jar mod

* adfree ad blocker app

With this setup, my phone is virtually lag free.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KLUVJ:
links to each one of your setup?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
* Cm9

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1398495

* Franco nightly w gpu oc 512 and CPU oc 1.35

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1367341

* V6 super charger script w services.jar mod

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=991276

* adfree ad blocker app

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DEsImNvbS5iaWd0aW5jYW4uYW5kcm9pZC5hZGZyZWUiXQ..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bangdrum:
I would suggest you give axiom/ AOKP crossbreed a shot over at rootzwiki.com. I know what you're talking about with the studdering and so far for me this has been blazing fast and smooth. Some people say there's only so much you can do to enhance performance when creating a rom but I swear that dev found it. As far as the browser goes, the one I think is best and least choppy is dolphin hd for sure. Google Chrome seems to take for ever rendering the Page. And as for the XDA App I don't use it but I do use Tapatalk which has the same problem. My guess would be a problem with the coding for forum apps and ics. Don't forget ics is still new*. Hope I helped.

*edit: just wanted to say what's up to Mr adrynalin. Glad to see you on the gnex. Loved your **** for the fassy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dk206:
Sorry to say this but Galaxy s II is smooth as butter out of the box. It is faster than the iPhone 4S. Touchwiz might look **** but it sure is blazing quick. Its actually "lagless"

I was somewhat disappointed with the GN. Hopefully 4.0.4or.5 will solve the ui issues.

Sent from Galaxy S II i9000 CM9
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] flipper23:
Yeah because the cpu of sg2 is on the same level/even better than the omap the gnex has but the gnex has to push much more pixels than the sg2 "low res screen" one reason

here for the people who have time to read REALLY nice article G+ Link
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] retskrad:
This is the point. You must overclock the living crap of the Galaxy Nexus Hardware and put on ROMS and kernels (which cant even compare to official ROMs from Google in terms of stability) to get some smoothness of our devices.

Why can't Android be smooth and such like WP7 and iOS out of the box? Is it really hard to ask for? Every review read about this phone before purchase was how smooth is was....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
Why can't iOS support widgets with live data? Why can't iOS support a true multi-tasking system? If they did you'd see their UI stuttering some more as background processes were trying to take priority.

Keep in mind, also, that Apple is able to fine tune their OS because it's only released for a few devices. Android and iOS is like comparing apples to oranges - they're both mobile OS's but they behave very differently and do very different functions on their skin.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
You can have widgets and live wallpapers on iOS if you jailbreak. Also multi-tasking can be implemented using Jailbreak as well. There's a mod/hack/app (whatever you call it) that allows you to easily move between applications by gestures or sliding from the leftmost & rightmost side of the screen. No reloading of apps or webpages is seen either.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] andQlimax:
I just leave this topic with this question:

Can the iPhone be open like the Nexus?

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus usando Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lukesky:
if you have to ask why android isn't as smooth as the others you mentioned, then you obviously don't know much about the workings of the OSes, it's like asking why pigs can't fly...

just like pigs weren't designed to fly, when android was designed, it was designed with other priorities in mind besides "just being smooth". other people have already mentioned about the fundamental differences between the OSes and also why android isn't as smooth.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RellikZephyr:
Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but on aokp, go to settings, ROM control, performance and force enable scrolling cache. Mine is silky smooth in everything

and I must say it actually makes me notice the very rare stutters even more, because it doesn't happen anymore, I REALLY notice it when it actually does

Rellikzephyr
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
Actually from this thread, you're actually suppose to disable scrolling cache. I tried it and didn't notice much improvement. Its enabled by default anyways.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1411317
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
Its not the same.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ATnTdude:
I can't speak for anyone else, but 4.04 (stock) has been extremely smooth...except...when I load some live wallpapers. I'm not sure if it's poor optimization, or the CPU has issues composing the UI layers that sit above the wall paper, but it's usually been stuttery.

4.0.2 was horrible though, especially with the stock launcher. A scrolling calendar widget would bring it to its knees.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I run at 1.2ghz silky smooth.

So much for overclocking the crap out of it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cablemike01:
Want it to be smooth lime the iPhone? Disable any live wallpaper and widgets. And it will run smoother.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nikeairj:
Listen to this man. This is correct. A google developer explained why Android isn't as smooth as the iPhone right now. It's all about design and how the OSes prioritize their events. Maybe next year or two, our Android phones will have silky smooth (60 fps+) scrolling while it's rendering a web page. Future phones will eventually have enough power to do it with ease. While iOS devices will still pause rendering and other events while scrolling even if it has enough power to render in the background. THAT will get annoying in the future.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You don't need a script to be lag free. The whole idea behind that v6 charger script is that you are running out of ram and it addresses how apps are killed etc. Thats really not an issue with this phone.

Hell, if you listen to half the threads around here, people are dismayed on how aggressive ICS is with killing apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
And run MIUI where your launcher is your app drawer. Uninstall Flash, too. I would say lower your resolution too, but thats not really possible ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Droidz:
I read an article somewhere, but I wish I could remember but basically they were talking about how android can never be truly as smooth as iOS because of the way the code is written at the source. Android prioritizes multi tasking first then the graphics. While iOS prioritizes graphics rendering first then it work on open apps and multitasking so the end result makes iOS feel faster but it's just that graphics load first and then the application.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yeah it was mentioned a few posts ago ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
Your's sounds way more severe than people normally have. The worst I ever get is the occassional microstutter and even that is rare. It butter smooth There shouldn't be any delay between finger input and scrolling.

One thing I noticed is that the iPhone will not let you perform more than one ui operation at a time. If a popup notification comes up it will stop scrolling immediately and won't let you scroll until you close the popup. Android does not end any operations and performs both at once. I've seen many people on the new iPhone using the facebook app and believe it or not its actually much much smoother on my nexus then on their phone. My phone is already very very smooth and google will definitely make more and more improvements as time goes on. One of the best tweaks for me on AOKP to reduce some lag was to disable the button glow animation.

My mothers work iPad2 has microstutters as well. The scroll speed is also much much slower no matter how fast you try to swipe. You can't scroll down a whole long page at once which makes it easier to make smooth as they are loading less of the page during the scroll.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
My experience mirrors yours. The only exception is when I try to play Peggle on my phone (which doesn't want to work). If I don't kill it after going back to the home screen, the phone lags all to hell and is miserable.

I wonder how many people with lag issues have incompatible apps installed?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
I disagree. ICS has the same problems as all the previous versions of android in that once all the ram is used up the phone slows down.

Its quite noticeable that after a couple of days of up time, the galaxy nexus is slower than a freshly booted system.

v6 supercharger keeps a set amount of ram free and I find that it helps to keep the gn fast over time.

I guess most people here are installing custom roms and kernels frequently and thus may not notice this if they reboot their phones all the time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Then disagree. There are twice as many threads on this forum with people complaining about ICS being too aggressive with killing apps. Check any of the multitasking related threads.

I disagree with the need of a script. We have 700mb of usable ram not 300 and change like the SGS devices that did need scripts like that.

As for people not noticing....

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23440189&postcount=27

Look at his free ram. That is over 3 days without rebooting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
It has nothing to do with the amount of physical ram the phone has since android will use whatever ram is available. So using the script helps set a minimum level of free ram to prevent lag.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
It uses what it can, if it needs to.

Otherwise we would never see any free ram, ever.

If you have enough ram to start with, you do not need to be adjusting any oom parameters.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
It will use free ram to keep unused apps cached in ram. I've seen my free ram go under 100megs and I definitely notice slowdown compared to freshly booted.

I'd rather have the unused apps cleared from ram and let linux use the free ram as file cache, etc, since the kernel is much more efficient at using the free ram than the android system with java and all.

You may disagree, but i find it useful.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
It isn't reported as free ram if its using it as an app cache.

What is in use is what includes cached apps, not what is free.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mcguinness89:
yeah going to the 4S i noticed a big decrease in the lag and it definitely is faster but that phone barely has anything in it lol.. barely any customization.. etc.. i eventually switched back from it because the GNex offers a lot more and with the right rom, you can get speeds real close to the iPhone without draining too much battery. you must realize the screen is 4.65 inch 720p and im sure that takes a little to push all that imaging through? Fixing permissions every once in a while helps greatly as well. i use the one from rom manager
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ragnarokx:
I tried this on AOKP 27 and didn't notice a difference.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EniGmA1987:
My GN is incredibly smooth. Easily as smooth as the iPhone 4. If yours is not, then use a different kernel and ROM. Also dont use any CPU control apps.

Try out Team BAMF's Paradigm and that same minimalist kernel. That worked well for me. Currently I am on Popcorn kernel though as I wanted to try its custom governors. Popcorn isnt as smooth IMO, but I do get much better battery life with my governor tweaks. I go for about a day and a half on 1 charge with light usage, or 14-18 hours on moderate usage. With the Minimalist kernel Interactive governor seems best, which is default. And I get about 20 hours of life with light usage.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MilkPudding:
I'm stock 4.2 and it's smooth as butter and faster than 4S. I know because my mom's using 4S.

It's probably just you, OP
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LuffyPSP:
even without root and on stock 4.0.2, it is smooth. flashed ARHD, still smooth. CM9, smooth. AOKP, smooth. i dont see any wrong in here. its probably you. I played with my friend's iphone 4 and 4s which is said by most people the smoothest. But nah i said, it stutters a bit. My Gnex and SGS2 pawns them both.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I only have experience with an iPod touch. That said, it does stutter and lag some.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PeartFan40:
The selling point of the 4s is the same selling point of every other over rated iphone: bragging rights. Although I don't get how owning an iPhone 4s is a big deal. I've had several iphones, and to me, they are boring. I'm not impressed with the glass/aliminum design. Also, the iphone has always been a late bloomer with technology. None of them are true 4g devices. Over rated, over priced junk, in my opinion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xxprodigyxx11:
I saw a post on Google plus a while back by an official android developer explaining why this is. Basically apple gives the user interface its own dedicated processor thread. Android doesn't.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kid1da:
I think the smoothness of the iPhone is a little overrated or the smoothness of Android is underrated. My phone is smooth, I couldn't ask for a better device. I've never liked the iPhone BC of the simplicity, I like to do what I want to my phone and not be restricted.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] r29:
AOKP M4 + Trinity Kernel buttery smooth!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
I'm gonna try some of the suggestions because like someone else said, an iOS smooth Galaxy Nexus would be a dream!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
Where do I go to disable the button glow? I couldn't find it in the Rom Control menu.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] case0:
How about don't listen to him.. because the guy was completely wrong and was corrected on G+ by a current Android developer. Consequently he admitted he was wrong and was talking ****.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Unlawful:
Woah, thanks. Somehow I must've missed that. So I presume Android also prioritises the UI thread/s?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dwang:
No he got some details wrong but the gist of what he says is still correct.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] M3drvr:
I have pretty much zero lag. Especially on the browser. What your describing how you swipe and it lagsand then scrolls, I have yet to ever experience this on my gnexus. It always scrolls beautifully, every time! Even with flash playing on the page. And add to that, I'm running mine underclocked 90% of the time at only 1ghz.

If you wanna try it out I'm running:

Cm9 nightlies

Franco nightly r66 Oc gpu
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChongoDroid:
Will the iPhone 4s ever be as functional as the GN.

no, probably not.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChongoDroid:
Same here man, running modaco and Franco underclocked and haven't seen a hint of lag.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] waynekirby:
Well talking about way iOS prioritizes ram for scrolling and stops other processes in the process, in jelleybean when almost all new droids are quad core wouldn't it not be possible for google to isolate one of these 4 powerful cores and maybe a separate 512mb ram partition (out of 2gb which tegra 3 supports) purely to get the same scrolling performance as iOS? Sounds like a crazy concept but for me sounds a winner...

It still would leave a crazy amount of ram/CPU still available for the multitasking side of the OS

And for the record iPhones and iOS sucks ass :D

Regards
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] M3drvr:
I find it ironic how people say how smooth iPhones are yet whenever someone that owns an iPhone goes to show me something, it lags and locks up on them 50% of the time. Where do iPhones get this "perfection" reputation from? When they work, there is no doubt they work smoothly, but it seems to be not very reliable from what I've seen. Odd how when people with Android phones gotta show people something, they always seem to do it quickly and flawlessly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] theherodrownd:
I have had the exact opposite experience. Before my Galaxy Nexus that is. All my old android phones would lag and freeze.

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Probably not considering Jelly Bean is a tablet only OS.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] io53:
May I ask how you know that? Did I miss something?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mr mystery:
Maybe he's confusing jelly bean with honey comb?