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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zapek666:
iOS has a different rendering system. Basically you tell what you want to render and the OS does it for you, in a task with realtime priority.

This is the kind of approach that will cause problems in one way or another as soon as the OS becomes more complex. Heavy rendering will starve background tasks (this is probably the reason that multitasking is restricted on iOS), network transfers will pause, and the application needs to be designed specifically for this system.

Android is more traditional in its approach. The problem is that programmers can be lazy and do I/O stuff in the UI thread. This will show stuttering and hickups to the user.

The iOS approach made sense in the beginning. Remember they didn't plan to offer 3rd party applications and the "smooth scrolling" feature was a major selling point.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
I think I found the solution! Well for me at least, I got my Galaxy Nexus to be super smooth with the most recent CM9 and Popcorn Kernel v8.2.1 and ad blocker from the Market. I'm using Dolphin Browser with plugins set to on demand.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aysiu:
I'm not sure lag is the proper way to describe the problem. Apps and scrolling are much faster on my Galaxy Nexus than on my wife's iPhone 4. However, her iOS user interactions are overall smoother than my Android interactions.

I'm trying to think of a way to describe this so people understand. Imagine you have a task on a computer (like installing software or downloading a file) with a progress bar. In one case (A), the progress bar goes to 10% and just freezes there for a second and then speedily goes from 10% to 100%. The overall time to complete the task is 10 seconds. In the second case (B), the progress bar evenly goes from 0% to 100%, but the overall time to complete the task is 13 seconds. My guess is that people will consider the former case to be less smooth and a little laggy, even though technically it took less time to complete and was actually faster.

This is the kind of experience I've had with Android. Sometimes the animation stutters... or even goes too quickly (!), but in terms of time-to-completion, the tasks are fast... just not smooth. iOS seems a bit more even paced, so that if it stutters, you know something is wrong or freeze. In Android if something stutters, it could mean it's working just fine... just not giving you immediate feedback.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] azn android:
Im not sure if this was said before (i wasn't going to bother reading everything on this thread) but android is built differently than iOS. iOS puts priority on the UI and so the interface is always smooth. A good example of this is the web browser on iOS. If you start moving the page around when a webpage is loading, it stops the loading process and focuses on making sure the UI is smooth. Android puts equal priority on the processes and the UI so it ends up lagging at times.

So to answer your question, no it never will be smoother than iOS. Unless the framework of android is completely rebuilt, it will always lag a bit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dario3040:
Probably yes.

The Nexus S was laggy out of the box, but the update made it really smooth (the 4.0.3 update)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I am confused. 4.0.3 was the first Nexus S ICS update?

Or are you referring to Gingerbread?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lazaro17:
Was mentioned in this thread a few times (including myself).

I don't think the answer is rebuilding Android. Once Android gets optimized to use those cores it should make a notable difference. I rather have an Android OS that is capable of doing more than one thing at once and do it well. The iOS UI prioritization can eventually hit a brick wall especially if it's stopping things like loading a web page to give the UI first dibs on resources.

With that said I don't really see what the big deal is. Both UI's are extremely smooth.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SikkNazty:
My phone is faster than 3 of my friends that have iPhone 4s.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
I've seen this a lot. I've seen this a lot in people who run AOKP.

So my obvious conclusion is...try running a different ROM.

AOKP is a "bloated" ROM in a sense, its got a lot of great features, but it uses more resources than smaller, more compact ROMs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
Maybe it is faster but is it smoother? There's a difference.

Go to maps and scroll around on the 4s and then do the same on the GN. You'll notice the 4s doesn't jerk or stutter while the GN will.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EniGmA1987:
If you wish to prioritize the UI more and make things smoother, try SysTune from the market. You can set your launcher and system UI stuff to have the highest priority. Also set your keyboard to just 1 step below the UI priority to make that more smooth as well.

It also helps to make your governor more sensitive so it scales up easier and faster. The iPhone may be smooth, but it has much worse battery life from my experience. You can get this same thing on your Android phone by making your governor ramp up easier and stay up longer. Smoother experience but battery life takes a hit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I can honestly say have never heard of someone say android is better on battery life than iOS.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
Thanks, I'll try SysTune. What settings did you use for it? I want to mimmick your settings to get the same result you have.

What you recommend I set my governor to?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spencer88:
My stock Sprint GSII had awesome battery life. Damn I miss that phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] i n f a m o u s:
What you meant to say was, "Will Android OS ever be as smooth as iOS?"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Djabolic:
Bragging about iPhone being smooth is pretty much saying something like "My console runs my games faster than my PC!"

While Android OS working on (and designed to work on) many devices iOS has only one target: iPhone. So iOS doesn't have to care about other device configurations, doesn't have to care about supporting other devices, doesn't have to care about anything as long as it's working seamlessly on iOS it's fine.

I never felt any problems about my Galaxy Nexus being slow or something I'm using a rooted (and undervoltaged) 4.0.2 device and everything feels perfectly fine.

My friend and me we both have rooted 4.0.2 GNEX's with the only difference I'm having a undervoltaged device, I can pretty much use my GNEX up to 14 hours with at least 3 hours of music listening (while on the road to work / home), some browsing, checking my twitter / facebook profiles.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cttttt:
I think to answer the OPs question...

No, since the hardware is fixed, it can't be as smooth. That is unless the OS is redesigned. Throwing power at the problem (simply overclocking the CPU or GPU) probably isn't going to help because in the rare cases you do see lag, it's because the UI is contending for the same resources your applications, or other parts of the OS are. Unless things are designed to eliminate this contention in all cases, you'll see a bit of lag.

I don't understand why everyone's getting so defensive. iOS wins on the smoothness front and they deserve to given the effort they put into their UI and their ability to support their whole product line. Where Android shines, it deserves to as well. Doesn't mean I'm going to throw away my phone or anything. It just means Google's got something to work on ... but only if their inclination is to attract those who care strongly about a really smooth UI.

- chris
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
GN is smooth enough for me.

Can the iPhone 4S ever have a 4.65" screen at a 720p resolution?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wendellc:
I have no problems with smoothness on my Nexus. But if you feel IOS is smoother for u than go back to IOS if it matters to you that much.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alphaola:
Can you report back your experience after your experiment. Am on modaco 4.04 and franco kernel r66. I dont experience any lag both scrolling on home page and drawer except for some apps that are not yet optimised for ICS.

Also as someone said before AOKP is becoming bloated because of so many stuffs ( features / customisation) been added to it, its just like jailbreaking iphone the more customisation you start doing the more lag and freeze you will experience.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] taylerdurden:
Why talk about iOS when it is not the smoothest mobile OS? I think the way to go is WP smoothness, which is far better than iOS
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I have a friend with an iPhone who was doing three days off a charger so...that is until he broke it last week and moved the Gnex.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alphaola:
To be sincere "battery" is quite subjective no matter if its ios or android, I previously used iphone 4 and I have to charge everyday sometimes twice a day, if you go on macrumours.com, you will see loads of people trying to squeeze juice out of their phone for a day usage. While on my android I can manage a full day out of it. On several threads some people have been able to manage 3-4 days off charge. So for me alot of these top range phones can easily go full day or fall short, it all varies from individuals and the device itself.The individual usage can then be broken down into different configurations, apps, sync, network, signals. battery capacity, usage, and so on. You can even throw in live wallpapers and widgets.

To clarify, am not saying android has more battery juice than iphone because for me i find out that i get almost the juice out of both of the devices.

P.S If you understand the power of your phone, theirs a probability you would know how to manage your device to give you that extra juice.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] k.electron:
1. ive used both phones, and load up enough apps and the iphone stutters just as much. if u dont see the stutter, ur kidding yourself.

2. the iphones multi-tasking is nothing compared to ICS. with great multitasking comes some performance limitations. there is no app that is unusable though. worst case scenario u might have to power cycle once.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Herman76:
I recall reading a news document somewhere where someone states that the iOS freezes all other background apps to perform the UI scrolling, unlike the Android that have Real multitasking and the UI have to compete with other apps for resources to perform the same task.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dario3040:
Nope, Ice Cream Sandwhich 4.0.3 OTA

Look it up, weird that it got it before the Galaxy Nexus :/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
That was worded poorly. What I meant was, Nexus S was laggy ootb, how?

You said it was fixed in 4.0.3. So I was assuming you meant GB.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crossover37:
See I don't understand the multitasking argument.

I went to my recent apps yesterday and I wanted to go back into the game I was playing (Real Soccer 2012) and when I went back into the game, it restarted as if I never opened it. I tried the multitasking on the iPhone and it brings you back to where you were. So if you were playing Angry Birds, pressed the home button, then go back into it, you would be back where you left off.

Can someone clarify the difference because it seems the same to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Doesn't iPhone save states of apps?

Thats not really multitasking, thats saving states , not unlike hibernate for Windows, if I understand correctly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rosswaa:
The way android works it won't be as smooth ever! But it will always be faster :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dario3040:
Yup, extremely laggy, it got smooth on GB thanks to custom kernels though.

ICS 4.0.3 made the device smooth on a stock rom.

---------- Post added at 09:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:08 PM ----------

Unless the developer specifically programs the app to do something else (for example music apps) it will be frozen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dnar56:
Mine has run smooth as tits from day 1

Sent from the matrix
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mitchmoney:
Did anyone notice a huge drop in battery after updating google chrome a few days ago. I literally went from 100% to 40% within 6 hours without touching the phone. I believe its Google chrome so I uninstalled it but I'm not sure. Anyone else have this issue?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Stadsport:
You have a wakelock either way, use something like BetterBatteryStats just to check what it is. Chrome hasn't created any wakelocks for me. Actually in the past, I've noticed Chrome is a huge battery drain while using it, but the latest update seems to be a bit more conservative.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well in battery stats, did Chrome come up as the culprit?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mitchmoney:
No but google services did and under that, it said that one of the google services were bookmark sync... I uninstalled chrome all together because I now use dolphin because I love the sonar feature... I'll see how it is tomorrow and will take it from there..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ShadowVlican:
i'm not sure how to reproduce the problem, but google chrome is always the culprit behind my excessive battery drain

didn't use to happen... wonder what caused this..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
I didnt notice battery drain. But the reason i uninstalled chrome was because that huge service runs non stop at like 80mb even when not in use and this phone has an aggressive ram problem as is without that exaserbating it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bnmohler:
not sure if you ever resolved it but i found this info and i am hopeful it will solve my issue with chrome.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/chrome/rT0ewNsBx18
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] precessionpower:
:confused:Is there anyway to Upgrade via SD to HoneyComb. I have the official upgrade file and have loaded it into an SD card. I then was told to get to bootloader. Once it gets there it seems to read the file and there is a progress bar on the right that turns from blue to gold after completion but nothing happens after it loads. Any help? I also cannot root these tablets.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] precessionpower:
Please help
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spartanos:
Perhaps I didnt understand your question, but if you are not root, you should be able to upgrade vía OTA.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spartan1987:
OK, first what device do you have?

Are you rooted?

WTF?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] precessionpower:
I have a number of HTC view tablets that need to be upgraded to honeycomb and encrypted. Trying to download them all over the air takes so long. The tablets are not rooted.
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[G2 and Desire Z General] ngc604:
Warranty phone replacement. they sent me two replacements both not acceptable. one the keyboard was messed up and the other the sd card "cage" was messed up.

15 minutes with tmobile and they offer me a sidekick 4g as a replacement for my G2. I laugh and him and tell him that's not going to work. I tell him i am not a 17 year old girl and that that phone is not even in the same league as the HTC G2. Supervisor requested. 30 minutes later and he still offers me a side kick. Supervisor requested again. 45 min i am able to get my G2 again when they have them in stock. Not sure when. Supervisor demanded and now i'm getting really rude. 55 minutes with tmobile and still no supervisor but now i am offered a HTC Sensation. I'll live with that. Though i am sad to have to part ways with my G2. I really had no want to get rid of it. Guess it is what it is.

This happened today from 11am to 12pm. Just an FYI.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tarroyo:
I'm pretty sure there was a few available online few weeks back, Try ordering online you might have better success or ebay could be another option.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ngc604:
This was for warranty replacement. Not going to buy a new phone while the current one has warranty.
[G2 and Desire Z General] magic_android:
LOL you got a Sensation as a replacement? Well, that worked out then.. hahaha, i should haggle more too xD.
[G2 and Desire Z General] regius:
Wow! That was a pretty good deal you struck! however, I like my DZ better than My wife's Sensation. I think the DZ is more practical.

sent from my dz
[G2 and Desire Z General] jethro650:
Basically they gave you a hard time because they were trying to get rid of old hardware and you wouldn't accept it, so you ended up getting a hardware upgrade for free(yes upgrade, aside from the physical keyboard the hardware is better).

I went through the same thing with Bell getting replacements for two Dexts, none for replacements they tried to give me Blackberries :/ I wouldn't accept and fought and ended up with two Desire Z's :) Shouldn't need to fight about it, its their problem not ours if they cant/won't keep hardware....
[G2 and Desire Z General] ngc604:
the lack of physical keyboard doesn't bother me since i never use it. I got the G2 because it was basically stock android and tmo told me they weren't going to release a nexus s 4g. Trying to stays true AOSP. It looks like it will be harder to stay AOSP with the sensation but with the help of devs in that forum i'll figure it out. They still have nowhere near the development that the G2 has. and i am a flash whore so that might get annoying. Guess its time for me to learn some dev skills.

and yes the sensation IS an upgrade. All i wanted was a shinny new to me G2. but once they offered me a sidekick i knew i would hold out for the sensation.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Orite:
My G2 kicked the bucket last week and they sent me a refurbished one with a broken MicroSD slot (Not sure if it was the same as the OP's). I called them immediately and without even needing to escalate it they said they're out of G2's and had to replace it with a different phone of my choice. It was either the MyTouch 4G Slide, LG Optimus Q or the Sensation.

Guess they're really running out of G2s and are just handing out upgrades now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Zombie Steve Jobs:
Hmmm. My G2 is doing the stupid cardock crap non stop. Maybe I will replace it with a Sensation. I'm due for an upgrade anyway, so why not get the sensation for free until the HTC One X or SGSIII hits shelves.

Guess I have to unroot and return this phone back to stock.

Rooted w/ S-OFF

Current ROM : G2Slim 1.6

Radio : 26.13.04.19_M.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wiswis:
Hey guys u need asurion to make a switch right because my doubleshot has dust underneath, so am I out of luck

Sent from my Htc Doubleshot running ICS
[G2 and Desire Z General] Orite:
I've returned phones before and I didn't need to unroot it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] C.Flat:
My dad had a dext... worst phone I've ever used
[G2 and Desire Z General] Zombie Steve Jobs:
I just got off of the phone with advanced tech support. They are shipping me a Snesation. I'm sad to see the G2 go. But I'm ready for a change. (I'm still eligible for an upgrade, so hopefully a G3 will come out someday with a sick keyboard)

Rooted w/ S-OFF

Current ROM : G2Slim 1.6

Radio : 26.13.04.19_M.
[G2 and Desire Z General] buxtahuda:
How sad lol

How long is T-Mo's warranty anyway? I need to start breaking my phones and getting replacements/upgrades, I'm too nice on these things haha
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
Everyone should shift over to the MyTouch 4G Slide!!!

Development is really starting to pick up on that phone. It has been officially added to the Virtuous Team lineup as well, not to mention the slew of new roms that have popped up in the past 2 months.

Made the switch about a month ago and it's a great phone. Liking it more everyday. The G2 has some serious growing pains coming its way. It will handle ICS, but we are already starting to reach the limit of the hardware. If I wanted to do anything intensive (GTA 3, running MANY apps), you could tell the phone was struggling at times. And this was on gingerbread. With ICS running in the background, I can only assume that it will get worse. That's why I jumped ship.
[G2 and Desire Z General] swan3983:
I think that we are going to see some really good ICS roms soon now that Qualcomm has finally released proper GPU driver binaries for the chipset. Just because you're seeing problems with ICS right now doesn't mean that these problems won't be fixed in the future. You have to remember, all the ICS roms running on the G2 right now are in Alpha or Beta stages, and aren't full, proper releases yet.

Although, I agree, owning a MT4G Slide would be awesome :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
Here's a fairly in depth review of the 4G Slide that I made coming from the G2...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1524658

Please let me know if you have any questions
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jahmelm:
Nicee, my upgrades coming this summer, so im thinking of a replacement. I really want a qwerty phone, but the htc one x is making me think other wise :confused: XP
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
The 4G Slide is one of the best qwerty androids out. And judging by how often they come out, it will be for quite some time. You won't regret it. It is everything the G2 should have been under the hood
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jahmelm:
I'll admit the MT4g Slide is a great phone. Who knows, the htc one x ia rumored to be the "G4X" maybe we'll see a G4 soon. :D
[HTC Sensation] bradmax57:
Im currently in the middle of uploading a video to youtube to try and show the issue but its like my phone is possessed, i actually bought the phone from a recycle place so I have a 60 days warranty with the phone but I was wondering is there a diagnostic or service mode I can get into on the handset to see if any faults are found

One thing is I thought I was getting an Orange handset which I would have thought would have had some branding on but it didnt and it also didnt have any orange bloatware on but not sure if they do or not on Orange UK handsets? even though i've supercid would it matter if it wasnt an Orange one that I used the orange firmware for 3.32?

It seemed fine when it arrived yesterday on 2.3.4 GB rom but since changing to ICS nothing but bother

Link isnt live yet showing about 12 mins to go at 21:49 UK Time

http://youtu.be/Z2Bvf0FfTlU
[HTC Sensation] bradmax57:
My phone is currently

-Revolutionary-

PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL

Hboot-1.27.1100

Radio-11.22.3504.07_M

OpenADSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0131

eMMC-boot

Jan 13 2012.17:33:34

Had this problem with Darkforest 6.0.0 and also ARHD 6.5.1 and currently virtuous s4x b3 which has been the worst of the lot and the one in the video
[HTC Sensation] bradmax57:
Ok so I flashed back 1.17 firmware and restored a back up of my GB 2.3.4 rom and its working perfectly so my guess is my phone for some reason doesnt like firmware 3.32? which means im going to be pretty much stuck on GB?
[HTC Sensation] zaki0saad:
Hey, it looks like a sense 4 rom that is running in the video? All those roms are ported from another device.. I'd recommend to try stock ICS with the new firmware, see if that works any better than the ported roms :)
[HTC Sensation] bradmax57:
Ive tried 2 3.6 roms too and they did the same, used the newest firmware
[HTC Sensation] The Radius Kid:
http://www.htcsensationforum.com/htc-sensation-4g-how-to/secret-menu's-in-sensation/
[HTC Sensation] bradmax57:
thanks, not quite sure what im look at but thanks all the same will take a peek
[HTC Sensation] The Radius Kid:
In your first post you were looking for a diagnostic mode?