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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
Oh come on.

The Xperia S software was still completely in development when ICS was released. Gingerbread and the system applications for the Xperia S weren't ready at the time.

Sony had to do a lot of simultaneous work on both ICS and Gingerbread for the Xperia S to match their release schedule. The Xperia S had to be released as early as possible. Because they had to hurry with Gingerbread they couldn't spare that many team members to work on ICS.

The Xperia 2011 range had a fully stable and ready Gingerbread, so the full team was available to work on ICS. Which was also a lot less work, since it wasn't a new platform, and they had a lot of experience with it by now.

Sony is releasing things as soon as possible. If that means that because of their internal structure the 2011 devices get ICS slightly before the Xperia S, then so be it.

Gingerbread on the Xperia S, by the way, is already pretty awesome. Read the blog post on the downsides of ICS.

Tell me now, what is the big advantage of ICS? Aside the new browser and Chrome that is available, the only thing I can see is incompatible applications (there are quite a few) and increased memory usage.

ICS IS REALLY NOT THAT SPECIAL. Gingerbread is so much more stable and compatible, and a rock solid mobile phone platform.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kutbinahar:
U mean to say you wont fly in a plane coz its more risky and other also shud travel in a car LIKE YOU

Man all people with a little tech knowledge they need the LATEST they can wait a little but when u say the wait will be more no one is going to stay

For me i was flashing cm9 on my galaxy s2 from jan 31 i took xperia s coz of sound nd camera and i thought atleast there will be even custom ics in March but still nothing and expecting from sony This is what we get IT WILL BE IN ENDING Q2 WHEN GOOGLE WILL PLAN FOR JELLYBEAN

DUDE WHAT EVER U SAY BUT THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHAT LIKE SONY WANTS TO SAY THAT THE OLD TELEVISION WILL HAVE COLORS IN THEIR DISPLAY BUT THE NEW LED OR LCD FROM SONY WILL BE THE BEST HARDWARE BUT WITHOUT COLORS IT WILL BE GRAYSCALE BLACK AND WHITE!!!!

Sent from my Sony Xperia S LT26I
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] POLO_i780:
Your ignorance is so sad and hilarious at the same time, if you believe the only advantage of ICS is the new browser and chrome beta then you're either very naive, or havent done your homework, Sony are hoping for more users like you to be okay with this treatment.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] MJ_QaT:
I know you're mad.. But this doesn't make sense mate
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kutbinahar:
Bro i wud have not gone this mad if sony has mentioned while selling this phone that ics upgradable by ending q2

I felt that they just fooled us

Sent from my Sony Xperia S LT26I
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
I do know of course that ICS brings many more improvements, I work at a phone retailer and work with the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S (both with AOSP ICS) regularly. And I'm a developer in training, I've read all platform notes multiple times.

What I mean that from an end-user point of view there really isn't that much to gain in ICS. Of course there are new, nice things, but there are also nice things in Gingerbread that aren't in ICS anymore. That combined with the substantial amount of apps that are still incompatible with ICS does make it less interesting, at least to me.

I am looking forward to ICS, though I don't understand the huge fuss everyone is making about a few weeks or a few months more to wait.

Google has already said they're slowing down the release schedule to give manufacturers more time, by the way, so Jelly Bean is nowhere near. Gingerbread is a rock solid platform that has proven it's qualities over and over again. Saying that Gingerbread is bad now that ICS is released is like saying your beautiful table is now ugly and bad because Ikea released a new design. It's not. The release of ICS doesn't magically make Gingerbread worse.

And yes, it's sad the update is still a few weeks away from us, but it's not delayed. Sony has NEVER officially announced any dates on when ICS would be released for the Xperia S. There have been rumours, there have been estimates told at MWC and CES, but we never had any official information on the Blogs or Sony Mobile website, ever. They always just said 'later this year'. So stop being mad, you have absolutely no reason to.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
As someone said earlier, the 2011 line software wasn't updated since the ICS launch (even before, but let put like this), so the team had a lot of time to work on the devices.

Xperia S was released on the end of February. They needed test the phone, design it, everything to release it ASAP. If Sony haven't done that, I wouldn't have any new phone for at least the end of this year.

They needed to get recovery from the losts on Bravia sector, from the PSN hack and from the tsunami + earthquake on Japan, and end with the transaction (for their bought) plus design their phone, create the software to it, optimize, test, everything until the start of March. The problem here are two: Time and experience. For experience, I say, Sony never worked with a dual core on a Android before. Almost everything was new for them.

And there is the stress over the team, because of everything mentioned.

Sent from Xperia X10 Mini Pro using ICS by paul-xxx
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kutbinahar:
I think you should buy a new phone with Android eclair lollll :)

It seems your COMPANY'S HR STAFF IS ALSO OUTDATED WHO HIRED YOU LOLLLLLLLL ONCE AGAIN

Sent from my Sony Xperia S LT26I
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mpolanski:
Can anyone tell me in points what does actually ICS changes for end user besides new launcher, web browser and dialer?

Are there any feautures like NFC was in GB?

From what I've read most difference is on developer level (not always good, as ICS seems to be more memory demanding, and more GPU dependent what mean more energy consuption, and loading time), and most people *****ing at Sony are actually end users. I know that showing off to your friends that you have ICS is cool, but is later update really a good reason to flush this phone in the toilet?

And really, can anyone summarise new end user features of ICS, so it's clear what discussion is actually about?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I don't know much from Sony ICS, but from vanilla GB to vanilla ICS, pretty much everything.

New gallery, SIMPLY AWESOME new UI, new features, a lot of other apps getting compatible (have you tried, if your last phone has CM9, Reloaded Settings? Or Boid, a Twitter app? Or HoloPad? Or Notes for ICS? Or Meizuu? Or HaxSync (it sync Facebook better than the oficial Facebook app)? Or pretty much every other ICS-only app?)?

All apps remade. The new contacts app is WAY better. Messaging too. With the new settings app, at first I was lost in CM9 with X10 MP, but everything is way easier to find. Browser is a zillion times better. And I am forgetting a lot of things that have been improved.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] hush66:
See here:

http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...ical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
I read that.

It was jebrish to me. Maybe some of you Mr. smarts translate that for us which don't understand and see what did you get out of it?

I change phone every years, this time I did it in 9 months and I pay the premium to get uphand stuff to try out and enjoy the design and hardware to certain extends.

X10 was a beginer step for SE. There were lots of problems, but SONY pulled it out after being totally placed.

Arc was awesome, except hardware wasn't the best (not power but lacking feature like front facing camera, NFC, etc.)

I have owned HTC, NOKIA and SAMSUNGs previously and don't like either of them. Sony is my only choice and would like to move forward.

Now, as a customer I have all the rights to ask the company that I use and buy my favorite stuff and really see where they are going. Some smart guy (EDIT: my friend Mr. dragon546) translated my earlier post that Sony is not transparent and actually that is what I meant. SONY is trying to show they are, but they are not totally there YET.

Q1, Q2 or Q3 and Q4 doesn't help anyone. If they were releasing a phone next year in 2013 then I would say it works temporary but what I see now, not for customer's favor.

BTW, I am not aggressive :D but just an enthusiast and I live in San Diego but not from here.:cool:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] mpolanski:
Now try to rewrite your post without using "better" as valuation of something that does not exist does not make sense. How do you know that zillion times better browser will actually work zillion times better on XPS?

Contacts app is way better, because you like it's new look? Cool. What about people that like older look better?

All apps you're writing about can be alternated in GB.

What you write is list of your opinions about look and feel of new apps. I was asking about system features. Not UI opinion.

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And from that page, I understand, that whole *****ing is basically about new UI.

I've also understood, that ICS brigs a lot of dangers for performance with it, because it uses lot of more RAM, requires more CPU power, basically doesn't stop using GPU so battery is expected to be drained much faster...

Hmmm... Ok. I'm amazed. I'll get new wallpaper and wait for tuned up ICS till end of 2Q without *****ing.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dragon546:
I removed my post because I thought what was the point . Just end up arguing for nothing either way. I just wait and see what SONY does bring in for ICS.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Thanks for the Love man. I hope people realize that we are just talking and discussing our point of views. After all, we have another at least three months to talk about something and nothing better than ICS and Sony.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dragon546:
LOL ok wanna try discussing Jelly Bean. Wait one sec let me get my flame proofs on. Get the feeling that every android handset we buy in the future we go through this vicious circle. ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Nah, lets discuss why 2011 lineup get ICS before 2012 brand new better handset. I haven't tried Jelly beans and can't make comment but I did have ICS on my arc so I know it works better for me.(yes i know this thread is not about me, but since I purchase the phone from Sony I have the right to ask why)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
Never. Troll.

Sent from my LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] idtyu:
yeah, then i realize ... uh , trolled by Sony ...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Apology11:
Can somebody tell me if you can use Android Beam?

Gesendet von meinem LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Yes.

Edit: never tested, but the code is there.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Another trackid update. No changelog this time, but someone can try investigating it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Pezo:
With root being available for ICS, will I be able to install DoomKernel with a locked bootloader or do I have to unlock for this?

Sent from the Delta Quadrant using a transwarp conduit.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
First we need to achieve root, then we'll work from there. Hopefully one day, but not straight off the bat.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kurk_droog:
New background?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
So quiet in here. Unusual :eek:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Mano1982:
The calm before the storm (ICS) :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
4.06.2012 3weeks to come

Sent from my LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Roman91:
4.0.4 roll out for Xperia mini, mini pro and Live Walkman.

we are the next
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Good to hear..!

Damn cant wait...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
My bet is 25th june not earlier
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dynamic503:
I think in July, promises is usually only promise!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Javi22:
Guys; is it confirmed that when we have ICS, all people who have the phone from company and our bootloader is blocked, will we can get root?

Any android rooted is another phone!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It is almost confirmed. Can't really test on leaked FW, but the needed parts are there.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Yakandu:
root for 4.0.4 for 2011 devices is posible so.. xperia S likely yes
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
Root for 4.0.4 was only possible because it was possible on the 4.0.3 kernels. By temporarily reverting to those kernels you're actually rooting with a 4.0.3 exploit.

4.0.4 won't be rootable right away without unlocking the bootloader.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Yakandu:
oops, well, lets wait for some xploit to appear
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
It's quite likely it will. There are different exploits...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] DooMLoRD:
Honestly if u have locked bootloaders then dont get your hopes high... Finding exploits that work is very difficult and most of the times it can take months till u get working exploit...

If u have the option, unlock bootloader asap...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] kaapo76:
so, there's no root when ics arrives?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] keunhuvac:
No root for lock bootloader.

Gửi từ LT26i của tôi bằng cách sử dụng Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
There might be, just don't get over excited just yet.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] chesterr:
Ah at least wait till we get ICS, then let's see how everything goes! at the right moment we just need ICS!!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Sony's just like a woman. Always makes you wait :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Hahaha True Story bro...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
They're are just hopeless. Behind it seems on all fronts.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
though the girls in the sony store in Shinjuku (Tokyo) are hawt :eek::rolleyes:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
you talk with no proof.+ keep it ICS related or maybe photoshop some icecream in the pic too. do you know what type of baseband they have?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SnowOokami:
maybe you should visit the store once? :p

baseband in japan or?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Just got some more info. We'll probably see ICS in the next two weeks, it might be delayed to the last week of June if something goes wrong, but they're aiming for a 100% certain Q2 release.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
No more that excited since I know there is no easy way to root, i was waiting for ICS hoping for a root without a bootloader unlocking !:p

nothing to be sure about!:eek:

BTW BUT still got option for unlocking since i got sim free:), but not fancy loosing warranty that quickly since sony in UK provided "2 year warrany = 1 year from carphonewarehouse+ after 1 from manufacturer
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
You don't lose warranty when you unlock bootloader.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
yeee right ,

Are y cetainly sure about that ???

Offcourse you loose
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/what-does-it-mean-unlock-boot-loader

This basically means that if it's a hardware issue, Sony will fix it for you, as there's almost no way you can damage the hardware from software (except for maybe overclocking to some crazy values).

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And from what I've heard, ICS is coming next week or the week after. That means at least a week less waiting :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Also saw the last build. It's really really smooth.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900i:
even smoother than the sgsg3 :P lol

1 quick question, why is that people have to flash their regional firmware why cant they flash any other firmwares from other generic/regions ...and how does it vary ?

and is .452 final or they are still developing?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
And you keep teasing us... I want to use Chrome and face unlock before my vacation starts... Want to show up what this beast can do lol

But ignore this, K900. I say lots of futile things sometimes.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nemer12:
I;m from romania, I've installed with Flashtool .76 TAIWAN software. When ICS will be out can I update to it?? from xda-developers(with flashtool)?? If I have the Taiwan software Sony Update will think that I'm from Taiwan or it will think that the update need to be relased first in Romania ?

hope u understand what i say .
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
You can flash any firmware you want. You'll be able to flash ICS when it's out in any country. Don't know about the builds, but .452 is the last one I see so I guess it might be final.

No, that's ok :) I feel about the same about AOKP and Boid. Don't care about Chrome, FF16 FTW.

Yeah, too sad it won't boot on production devices. Checks everywhere and I can't even figure out what exactly does it check.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcjuh:
Hi all

Just wanted to tell this...

My previous phones are x10 and the arc s. Both phones did go to the repairshop. Before i relocked the phone and they fixed everything.... Don't believe me just go to those threads and read it fkr yourself... Many others had no problems relocking and get it fixed...so sony isnt that hursh on repairing relocked phones as they know were here at xda are kinda helping and testing new stuff the deffs here and from sony give us....

Just my 2 cents

Verstuurd van mijn LT26i met Tapatalk
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
I hope it for ya
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
@SonyXperia just tweeted a picture of something that looks suspiciously not square... So I guess it's not a phone. Might be an accessory, or... HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sixdaysandy:
As I sent my yellow screened Xperia S off for replacement this morning it would be about fitting if they announced that ICS was coming this afternoon.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Sooo lucky :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
They have been using that same image for ages now for all kinds of phones, they never change it. The shape means absolutely nothing.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I know. Can we have a little bit of hype here? :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] arc_u:
No, after 166 page and 3 months there's no reason to have a hype here.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
^^^That

+when it comes to Sony I can't be optimistic and won't be surprise if they delay till July.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gtrab:
They said "end of Q2" from the beginning.

Some friends were desperate and went for the Galaxian Nexus, now they repent 'cause they can't upgrade their cameras and SoC. I decided to get the proper hardware and wait for the software update :)

...and I don't regret
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
me either. reason we are all here is because we love Sony and design. We suffer a bit but will get a nice complete software in return.

ICS FTW.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
You don't choose any Sony products for the specs, but because it's a Sony product. In all products they make they've had an impressive balance of power, specifications, design and ease of use. The Xperia's are a very Sony-like product in that respect. They're the only really 'unique' Android smartphones, in form ànd function. And that is why you choose for a Sony smartphone.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
And unlockable bootloaders :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
Yes, we all take it for granted here but that is certainly one of the best parts after X10 era.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ottovip:
You guys are really sick :D! Why don’t you just buy a new Smartphone with ICS instead of *****ing around waiting for a stupid update that probably will disappoint you? I have Xperia S and SGs2 and believe me; Xperia is much more beautiful! There’s not much to gain with 4.04 --- and very reliable sources have informed, that new bulletins report that a release can be expected before Xmas.... ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] marcoplo:
WTF Xmas :eek:

So Merry Xmas ! are expecting snow forecast?:D

joking
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] neotarum:
Haha! Nice one, before xmas! :)

The sad thing is, it may just come out true for us guys on O2 UK, as they still haven't given us .75 firmware! So ICS for O2 UK around xmas 2012 doesn't seem too much of an exaggeration! Sadly..

But, once it arrives we will probably complain about this and that.

So best thing is just keep calm and carry on with our lives. Sadly, it has become an addiction for me to check this thread a few times a day!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Nimche:
to be accurate, we will complain about JellyBeans :D

What we are missing right now is development on Xperia S or we would had better stuff to do now.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] waiflih:
Same here.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Ambroos:
We 'will'? I personally won't, but some people are already complaining about 'Jelly Bean' even though we don't even know for sure it'll be called Jelly Bean :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] zodiac100:
You should have said why I choose to buy Sony rather than telling others why they've chosen to buy Sony. We all have our reasons for picking the phone and those reasons are as individual as the individuals who have them.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
I personally hope Jelly Bean will be 4.1.X (i saw few things around the web, don't know if this has already been confirmed).

Not only because i don't want Google to start rushing with new major releases, but also because that would mean we have a high chance to get it on out LT26i ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] FenrirMX:
Sort of confirmed, look around.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gtrab:
It's not "officially" confirmed yet, but JB is 4.1 and Xperia S will be upgraded
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Nice! But i guess the first devices that will see JB officially released are the next Nexus phones; if this is correct Xperia S should get JB only next year.

Oh well, let's not go too far in the future since we're still running GingerBread atm :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nemer12:
we are like samsung galaxy mini, LG L3, and other cheap mobile phones :( .
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Mano1982:
Eh Galaxy Note in Norway has not got ICS yet. T-mobile Galaxy SII has not got update yet: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/01/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-ics/ :o
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jonmorris:
I'm sure at Google I/O, we'll see Android 4.1 and a few new features (not sure what) and some Nexus branded devices to launch them, but it's not going to be as big an update as Android 5, which could be a LONG way off.

Google has spent a lot of time and effort creating a new identity for Android and guidelines for developers. It won't want to rock the boat too much on the look and feel of the OS for a while now (or it shouldn't in my opinion).

I have no doubt that Sony will support the new devices for some time, as the updates for 2011 phone users proves. Who knows, if 4.1 isn't a massive change, Sony might even put this on those too.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] derbaron:
ICS

ICS for the NEO (i had before) was very smooth even faster than stock gb.

So i am really looking forward!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tsukeyomi:
Naaah, i wouldn't say that. If Sony will update our device until half 2013 and maybe the very beginning of 2014 i'd say we can't really complain much. :)

Don't forget your true luck, which is the fact of you being on XDA, a place with so many talented people you can always rely on ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shoz_on4u:
Installed the .75 update and there is no drain now in standby at all. But today I played backstab for jst 15 mins n d battery was down by 20% :eek: with 80% brightness so the main culprit is display that eats up the battery :( so heres my concern how will ICS improve the battery life?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gm007:
Maybe put the display @ 100% :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] shoz_on4u:
Lolzzzz;) wats d use of havin such awesome display and keeping it low to save the battery wish there was windows on this beauty :rolleyes: but enjoyin GB hope it will get better with ICS wait is almost gettin over finally :D