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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sg1969:
People quoting specs need to understand that it's not just about specs. Yes, it's important to have good hardware, but it's even more important to have good software running on top of it.

I'm not saying Android is bad on tablets, but I think iOS is still miles ahead when it comes to general user experience. Also a lot of the iOS apps designed for iPad are truly amazing, making it a pleasure to use the device.

I will never go back to iPhone unless something drastic happens to iOS, however I am planning on getting the new iPad rather than an Android tablet, as long as it can be jailbroken.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
iOS is only so stable and smooth because not much has been changing under the cover. Its a stagnant OS being released one one type of hardware. If they were trying to release on all type of different chip sets and SOCs they'd have the instability and fragmentation that we see today in Android, but focusing on such feature (stability, making sure everything works on everything) causes stagnation, which is what is happening on iOS. They aren't bringing anything new to the table.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DroidDavi:
I'm not to worried my transformer does everything I need it to do. So rather the iPad has 1000 core gpu I'm fine.

Sent from my iPhone smashing Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] go2mo2:
I don't see the fascination with apple laptops or desktops, no software works with them so you have to buy Mac editions at a hugely inflated price, they look nice but are twice the price of a PC with similar specs, but if you read t3 or stuff magazine everything apple make is number 1 in their top 10 list! And before anyone says it I know you can run a windows emulator on them but that's hardly an ideal solution!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
iOS is just so polished on a Macbook. Multitasking is amazing thanks to finger gestures. Mission control (best thing ever invented, 3 finger swipe up) and dashboard make life so much easier. I'm able to go from program to program with no hesitation. The apps made for iOS really integrate well (safari with gesutres) and the mail app and iCal rule... programs really aren't more expensive for a Mac and yes you pay a price but for good hardware. Apple started putting i7s in their line of laptops before most.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Backslash10:
You guys need to understand if a device meets someone needs then its good for them period. For one I had played with my friends iPad 2 and the device feels like I can break it by touching it though I will say I like the keyboard better. I have a HP touchpad and after I put cm9 on it oh boy that thing is great love it and yes I played with the iPad for 2 hours got bored of it. But if people enjoy the iPad more power to them I just don't and customization is a must in a device like that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] go2mo2:
Good hardware? Like I said you can get the same hardware in a PC for half the price
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] [hfm]:
What the what? What do you mean by this?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joshw0000:
Agreed 110%. Apple limits EVERYTHING. You can only run Apple/Mac software on Apple/Mac products and their are few iterations. Look at the Iphone. In the years they have been making them, how many different versions are out there? Iphone (2G), 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S. 5 different versions. Of those 5 versions, how many radically redefined handsets have we seen? NONE. The biggest shift was the 3GS to 4 and it was a downgrade in size.

Same for IPads. By keeping their offering across the board extremely limited, keeping their software proprietary to these limited number of devices, keeping the IOS limited to the bare essentials (no bells and whistles), they produce stable, easy to use devices.

If you only want to make calls, browse the web a little, check your E-mail, don't mind taking out a mortgage extension to buy the device and every single app you download (every free app I've downloaded turns out to be a trial that expires after the first level), then get an Iphone. Same for the Ipads. Want it to work with extremely limited customization, then its for you.

Android is open source. Its running on hundreds of different devices with varying specs. Windows operating system is built to run on just about any computer. I personally don't see myself choosing restrictions over freedom any time soon.

My neighbors are in their 60's. They just want it to work and don't get into anything technical. They own 2 Iphones, 2 Ipads, and about 3 Macs. They tell me how wonderful the Macs are because hardware works instantly (no driver downloads). Apple products really are perfect for them.

Just my 2 cent.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gokpog:
I'm with the OP. Love my Galaxy Nexus and no way I would trade it for an iPhone.

But I like the iPad 2 from work more than my Galaxy Tab 10.1.

That's mostly Samsungs fault for making less than stellar ROMs (performance wise) and Tegra 2s fault. I can't change the poor multimedia performance of the Tegra 2 driver but I have high hopes to ban Samsung software from my tablet with a stable CM9 ROM. The "snapshot" looks promising.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kapolani:
Funny all the nerd rage.

Anyhow. Long time iPhone user - recently switched to the Nexus.

I like some of the stuff Google is trying to accomplish with ICS, but it is not as fluid as IOS. Slight lag that is perceptible to an IOS user.

As for IOS being lockdowned I agree somewhat. You can easily theme and customize your phone through Jailbreaking. Been doing it for years now.

Android does some things better, but other things not as well. Same for IOS.

Goog fragmentation is a real issue that affects users. A user could buy a crap Android phone and be left out in the cold with no support.

I don't think it's a good thing that Android is released with so many different phones. Some people are still running with older Android OS releases with no updates in sight.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zenoran:
Android tablets aren't quite there yet but they're getting closer. I think Android clearly killed iOS but tablets are to remain in apple's court for a while.

One of the big problems with Android vs iOS is app availability and compatibility. On the tablet that's even more evident and iPad us just the buzz right now so it gets the most developer love.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] edgeicator:
iOS vs Android is like eating out at a restaurant vs cooking at home. It's that simple.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SH4YD33:
IOS on a phone? Heeeelllll noooo

IOS on a tablet? Heeeelll yeeess

But, I do love my triple boot touch pad. Apple products can't come close to that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] OrangeFever:
Having owned both, I agree. iOS on a phone is boring unless jailbroken.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kalavere:
Apple do not give you good hardware, they really don't. Do they even have RAM faster than 1333Mhz? A £350 PC laptop will net you 3-4 gigs of 1333Mhz RAM, a £4000 Mac Pro won't give you anything any faster, and they'll charge you £320 for eight gig of RAM to boot. Even Corsair will only charge you ~£100 for 12gig of DDR3 triple channel clocked at 2000Mhz RAM, and you can overclock that to boot.

Apple is 110% about software, and how aesthetically pleasing something looks. Where they can get away with giving you adequate hardware for top bucks, they absolutely will, and your average Mac user is daft enough to pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti Mac I've had iMacs in the past, and PCs by far give you more bang for your buck where hardware is concerned.

I don't even know what you mean when you say Apple put Core i7 in laptops before most, I severely doubt it. Core i7 is released - all manufacturers snap it up and sell it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ranova:
if I buy a tablet, Im getting an iPad. The support and apps for iOS just destroy Android tablets. Theres no question about that.

I owned every iPhone up to iPhone 4, and made the switch to Android, and havent looked back, but Android tablets are just a sad thing.

IF apple releases a 7" iPad, I'll definitely get that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
I love how so many people judge the 2 by the amount of lag while scrolling, or if one device opens an app 1 nano second faster then another. What it really comes down to is what features you want in a device and if the OS fits your needs.

I couldn't care less if the iPhone scrolls smoother than anything else. It is still an iPhone with iOS and a 3.5" screen and smoother scrolling will not change that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Honestly...my nexus scrolls as smooth as the iphone...its just that when you touch an apple tablet...just a tablet..compared to android tablets, its just not the same when you scroll or zoom..it doesnt feel like you are controlling the screen.

On phones though its the same..except for some apps..

Ahem...NETFLIX!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nasimdejai:
I agree that iOS is stagnant but user experience tend to be universal when compared to Android devices. And I agree the software on ipads is way smoother and fluid than versions of android put out by hardware manufacturers, apart from custom ROMs. And remember, not all tablet users are technically inclined.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
I owned an iPad 1 and 2, and a ton of Android tablets. I traded my iPad 2 for a Transformer and I'd do it again in a heartbeat, its that awesome.

The NEW Transformer Prime that is coming out in a few months will be right up there with the iPad 3 with its huge HD screen.

Here's the problem: Apple sucks at resolutions. Apps don't scale, they stretch and it looks horrible. Plus they make you purchase each resolution version, which is a shame. When I had my iPad2, it was disgusting how games and apps looked on the big screen.

This is going to be the same exact situation with the iPad 3 but even worse because they are jumping so high in resolution. Your going to have black borders or REALLY nasty quadruple-pixelization to stretch it to full screen.

This is where Google nipped it in the bud early on and automatically allow app and game resizing on the fly, but also developers can tweak each version independently with a single app. Most games scale properly too. There is only 1 game that I've tried where the title screen was obviously created for a smaller screen, but the actual gameplay was perfect.

So unless Apple fixes their methods of scaling their apps, I won't go near it.

There is absolutely no reason why a tablet needs that high res of a screen. Sure it has Quad core but it'll be taxed so much that it'll perform the same or worse as an iPad2. The only real purpose is for 1080p Video, but that will be so taxing on both the Servicers Network (Netflix), in-home network, and maybe the cellular provider (lol). I have a 10mb pipe and have problems with Netflix keeping up at 720p.

And nothing is more annoying to find that, now all of your old movie streams are super tiny and look much worse now when you stretch it out to full screen to that kind of resolution. Even a 720p stream wouldn't look that good on a resolution that high when it's a foot from your face.

I really hated everything about the Apple iOS. Sure I'd recommend one to my mom or grandma or gf, but if you really want to use it and be productive, I'd say look the other way. I'd go on to say that compared to Android, iOS is counter productive. Even jailbreaking doesn't right any wrongs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Isn't it already out? or are you talking about another one?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NICEGYPT:
I agree 100% with you. I just returned my iPad 2 and I will get the new one. iPad is very amazing. I don't like Android tablets at all. But I love my nexus and will never give it for 5 iPhones :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] moemoney12:
having owned a few android tablets, and both ipads. I have to admit ios is great for the tablet. And the support and number of apps for the ipad is incredible. I first had the acer tablet, then I purchased a asus transformer with the keyboard. The asus hardware runs circles around the ipad. But thats it, the software is ages behind. So I went and purchased a used ipad to compare the two. And after a week the asus was listed on ebay. Two weeks later I sold the the ipad and purchased a Ipad 2. And haven't looked back. This also me prompt to purchase a macbook, which I absolutely love.

As far as the iphone, there is no comparison. Android is the dream operating system for smart phones. All the options as far as hardware. And the custom roms, allows for infinite customization. Just my two cents
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bimmerboii:
Transformer user here but it didnt stop me from pre ordering the 3rd gen ipad. Excited to get it actually.. but i wont be selling my tf101. Waiting for a nexus tab to replace it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
this just might be the record for multi-quoting in 1 post :P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LuffyPSP:
i would trade it for 5 iphones and buy a new Nexus, and spend others few a few other Android phones + tablets. Yeah you can get much more with iphones. :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gmanunited:
Google/Android 4.0 is clearly ahead in features and design. Google has finally started to try and separate iOS and Android in the market. Google Maps as well as other native apps are not as good on iOS. Even voice dictation typing on Android is better than SIRI but iOS has the market share and brand recognition throughout most demographics.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jcmm11:
I swore off Microsoft products when Vista came out and never looked back. I then swore that I'd never buy an Apple product when they became the evil d empire. Not only are you looking at a walled garden (which I could live with for some situations) but they've gone all patent litigation happy with a bunch of garbage patents.

I'll stack a properly configured Linux laptop against an iMac any day. Yes you have to customize to get what you want, but it's all available if you look enough. The new versions of wine enable pretty much any Windows game nowadays so I give up nothing.

As far as tablets go I'll just wait a little longer and Android tablets will have caught up. The supposed fragmentation of the Android ecosystem is actually a good thing as it helps drive innovation at a faster rate. The situation is actually similar to what it was like in the early days of PC development.

Microsoft is (and has been) in a slow decline, which I see no signs of reversing. With Steve Jobs gone the jury is still out on what will happen with Apple since products coming out now still have his imprint on them.

I think it's inevitable that open source eventually wins out over everything else. The year of the Linux desktop may never come, but it will run everything else. Don't forget that Android is Linux.

Android vs iOS? Android all the way.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] case0:
It's not just the OS though. The ecosystem is far superior, and the iPad has thousands of great tablet-optimised apps which I think is the greatest advantage over Android tablets. Google's "One app for all devices" mantra is a huge failure.

I agree with the OP.

Galaxy Nexus > iPhone. iPad > Android tablets.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
I agree 100%. For me the apps on the iPad make all the difference. It feels like a tablet and not a big phone, Android has a great deal of catch up to do in this regard. My new iPad 3 or HD or whatever its called will be here soon to accompany my GNex.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ArmanUV:
where are you moemoney12? I didn't write a whole page just so you could bail on the discussion.

lol :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] linh1987:
What you say is true. But that's the exact reason YOU use Linux, and normal people go buy Windows and Mac. It's that simple.

And your "inevitable that open source eventually wins out over everything else.", well, see how many computer are running Windows versus Linux, and Linux has been around forever.

That inevitable future will be coming in 100 years at least :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kalavere:
I think with Ubuntu coming to Android devices you'll be pleasantly surprised how it has the potential to explode in the coming years. I don't think it's ever been in a better position as it is now. Not to mention the plethora of devices that run Linux code that have nothing to do with distributions. It's literally everywhere, you just don't know it. ;)

The eventual decline/demise of the laptop/PC is pretty inevitable as far as the average Joe goes, what with phones getting more and more powerful. I remember my CCNA lecturer telling me a seven or so years ago that the cell phone would replace PCs eventually and you'd take your 'PC' everywhere with you in your pocket, dock it into a screen at work, connect to the server and off you go.

I've always said that to people after I heard that, it makes sense, and with Android in the position it's in now we could all be using Linux based 'PCs' in ten years time and they'd never be any further away from you than your pocket. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jcmm11:
This. As I said the year of the Linux desktop may never come, but it will be running everything else. Windows and Apple aren't going to go away, but they will become more marginalized. And when software patents finally go away (something else I think is inevitable, although it will be a battle royale due to the huge amounts of money involved) the move to open source will accelerate drastically.
[Networking] sfetaz:
Companies are being really stupid when it comes to 4G, and the Ipad having 4g is really dumb because of the dumb choices by the cell phone companies. Whats the problem? Should be obvious, data caps. What the hell is the point of faster internet when you can't use it without paying hefty premiums? I am watching verizon advertisements about 4G and how you can download 1100 songs and stream multiple HD movies and it makes me sick. Sure you can download 1100 songs on 4g, if you don't use ur internet for single byte of data for anything else. Sure I can quickly stream movies over 4g, whats the point when the movie will eat up half my data plan? Sure webpages will load faster, but the only websites where it will make a real difference are ones that will eat up my data. What do they think, people want their email messages to download faster? OOO I have 4g, my one email downloads half a second faster. Give me a break.

Putting 4G on the new Ipad I think is more for marketing than it is for anything else, because people will quickly realize that their data usage bills are through the roof when they start using that data for a lot of the things people will use an Ipad for, and by that time it will be too late, they already bought the product. In the long run this will create a ton of consumer backlash. I am so glad I am grandfathered in with unlimited data, because if I had a data cap life would be extremely difficult in regards to my cell phone and tablet usage (HTC Thunderbolt with wireless tether)
[Networking] c5satellite2:
AMEN BROTHER!

Just like no sd cards in phone, they give you cloud storage for free, but you get to pay for data. My sd card never charges me when I use it! This is a blatant ploy by the wireless providers to get us to use more and more data, paying them more and more, when they claim they are struggling to keep up with demand and don't have enough spectrum!
[Networking] sfetaz:
Your right that's one other thing. I love the claims that they need data caps to keep up with demand on a 4g spectrum that is no where near capacity, its so insane how selfish and greedy they can be.
[Networking] c5satellite2:
PS I also have grandfathered unlimited data and ATT decided that unlimited is really 3gb and then you get switched to edge. I never agreed to this. I guess big companies can do whatever they want.

And by the way, The HTC Vivid is still sending some data over 4g even when you are on WiFi! I have seen it on 3 phones now! 1.6gb 3 weeks usage, only gmail and weather when not on WiFi, very minimal user, no streaming, no downloading! Beware!
[Networking] yawxir:
Well Bros

You Guys are Talking "4G",

Whereas we ,in Pakistan are still Waiting for 3G To be launched...:confused:
[Networking] z33dev33l:
Or, you could go with someone that offers unlimited data still or buy unbranded like I did.
[Networking] sfetaz:
In America the only major carrier that still offers unlimited data to new customers is Sprint, who is known for being one of the worst carriers when it comes to getting a signal. I do not know if Europe or other areas have 4G coverage yet and if those countries have options when it comes to unlimited bandwidth.

Also what do you mean when you say buying unbranded?
[Networking] z33dev33l:
T mobile does, att does on prepaid.
[Networking] sfetaz:
You are sort of right about Tmobile, they won't charge you for overages, but you get dropped to the lower speed network when you go over your plans allotment for 4g, you can pay for 2 gb of 4g speed or you can pay more for 5 gb of 4g speed, so they are still doing tiered data plans and charging more for higher allotment, but doing what ATT does when you go over your plans allotment and dropping you to slow speed.

I believe this should still be considered a problem when they advertise all the high bandwidth things you can do with 4G but require you to either pay a hefty premium to have a decent amount high speed data or force you to crawl internet speeds when you don't want to pay extra but want to do internet intensive things. I just feel its shady marketing practices, especially the current verizon 4gb data 4g ad.

And clearly I do not know how to spell allotment.
[Networking] z33dev33l:
I'd hardly consider 3g a crawl...
[Networking] scoffyburito:
Would you consider dial-up a crawl? I'm using it now and I would like to shout some distasteful comments about it :D
[Networking] z33dev33l:
I get 3g speeds after running my 4g into the ground.
[Networking] mistermentality:
Speaking for europe I can say there is no 4G in uk but plans for 4G within two years.

We are stuck with 3G which cost me five pound for five hundred mb.

Dave
[Networking] Toss3:
We have a 30Gb data limit here in Finland for 4G LTE.
[Networking] spunker88:
The carriers want you to go over your data limit so they can charge you more. Then they want to recharge you for the same data if you want to tether with it. And for some of us we don't have a choice of many carriers if we want coverage.
[Networking] MissionImprobable:
They also impose the data cap because VZ is marketing part of their 4g bandwidth to customers now. FIOS is in pretty limited markets and it's a pretty low-cost method for VZ as they don't have to put down new cables or anything. What sucks though is that now you will have people attempting to run all their normal computer data over the same data network as people on their phones which doesn't seem like it will have a good outcome.
[Networking] jharre08:
Unlimited data

This is the only reason I will not switch from Sprint to Verizon or AT&T. UNLIMITED data! Sooner or later Sprint will take the lead for this simple reason...:D
[Networking] I Am Marino:
All these companies need to break away from wanting consumers to sign a new contract for data on a tablet.
[Networking] KayxGee1:
I also believe that having 4G on an iPad is pointless because if you get a texting+voice app you now have a huge iPhone.
[Networking] uselessmass:
Well the telecommunication corporations in north America charge the most in the world so what do you expect. Furthermore, they can get away with it and there is nothing you the consumer can really do about it because it is something such a wide spread amount of people use that they can charge whatever they want.

Not to go off topic but I think socializing the telecommunications industry would be the best course of action as it is a universal service that pretty much everyone uses. It would lower the rates greatly if there wasn't a huge mark up on all the services.

Then again anything a little related to communism is scary because you know Nixon said so and corporations tend to push technology further to stay ahead of their competition so meh.