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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I think you're being overly harsh and unfair here. Certainly, there are tales originating well outside of ASUS on this forum of companies sending out employees to trash competitive products online. I'd say, it's probably even true in some cases--and where it's not officially done, it's done by employees on their own or with a wink and a nod. It's also done by fans of one platform or another, on their own, and fans who perhaps have their own vested interests in doing so.

And so, implying that perhaps ASUS does it themselves and that's why they're talking about it, as you do here, is unwarranted and, I think, patently unfair. You're free to voice your opinion, of course, but saying anything other than that you think Gary might be incorrect isn't justified by any evidence.

By the way, you often speak (condescendingly, I might add) like you're the only person on this forum with any real business experience. Just so you know, you're not. There might very well be people out there with just as much business experience as you, and who've seen, firsthand, companies, employees, and fans with strong ties to companies, doing precisely the kinds of things Gary is talking about.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
don't sweat what he is saying. you know its desperate measures now that he is posting in Gary thread. I don't get what is his sole interest for trying to trash the prime so much. even admitting he never had one, plan to get one, or any "REAL" hands on experience with the product. he always talking marketing crap n stock market bull. He told us before to never trust someone in marketing, which he admitted he is one himself. so why should we believe him also. These days companies are doing any and everything to try to get an edge now. Apple using harsh, inhumane working conditions in factories overseas to make their products. you have expensive tennis shoes being made in sweatshops by children. you have other governments spying on each other for the edge. So he means to tell us that another company trying to sabotage another is so far fetched? lmfao people do anything these days.

so its clearly possible. plus judging by alot of suspicious looking peoples posts, seems highly likely. Im really starting to think he trying to influence people to stay away from this device or constantly stir up stuff in Prime section.

He even said before he finds this whole prime issue to be amusing. so in him admitting that, his sole purpose staying in prime forums is to stir up the negative issues.

yes, he also does speak alot of times like he has so much more knowledge than everyone. you don't know more about a product you never used than someone who uses it day in and day out. I'd put more faith into what an Asus representative is saying than someone with no knowledge at all about the product, in reality.

you stooped pretty low on this one Barry. coming into Gary own thread challenging what he is saying or whatever. So since you think you know so much and how to handle everything, why don't you try to solve everyone issue in here? why not try to be helpful and offer viable solutions instead of being negative or pessimistic about every single thing. As soon as I saw your name in this thread, without even reading your post yet, I'm like yeah, I know he posted some b.s. in here...lmfao

why not leave Gary threads to the people who need help or want info? instead of trying to cause a commotion on such a silly thing. people can think for themselves up here on whether to believe Gary claim or not. not for you to constantly try to make people think your way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
You'll probably find this condescending also. Anything that's happening today is irrelevant; it's water under the bridge. Most senior-level managers I know want their employees focused on the future. Products take months and sometimes years to bring to market. The quickest way to go out of business is to place more emphasis on what your competitors are doing than what you see the future looking like in your markets and for your products. With that in mind, there’s little time for employees to spend lamenting a competitors present position. There's a lot of sport in the competition but at the end of the day it's not nearly as top of mind as you and others seem to believe it is. Asus, Acer, Samsung, HTC, Motorola, et.al, have teams of analysts assessing the market and use that data to create multi-year business plans. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a product plan already in place for 2013. Some may guess right, others wrong. But it's always at their own hand; not following what someone else did today. At least that's the way I've seen it work.

And it's curious that of all the forums on XDA I've participated in this is the only one I've ever seen conspiracy theories raised in. I wonder why that is?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] scrufy:
lol just lol

And to the above post:

That is just plain ignorant. Even Slashdot, the mother of all net news forums, has page after page showing paid shills. look it up before spouting you experience and wisdom.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] micaman:
Although I agree with you that some major companies may have these policies in place and frown on employees using these tactics but in no way would that refrain shareholders from doing it...and as we know it Apple has a lot of people with a vested financial interest in their success. Just take a look at the stockhouse bullboards forums to see first hand all the trolls who try to sway the Market in their favour.

I'm just saying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yhzhrm:
This is "Hearsay only"!

From information I have heard second hand (originating from a Asus sales rep) that the NAME Transformer Prime is reaching EOL (end of life). This is due to the court action taken by Hasbro and trade infringement of the the name Transformer Prime. So, yes, talk of the Asus continuing with the Prime (middle line) maybe be so, but it will be under a different name.

Likely these changes are in the works and Asus have already switched production this is why the Prime is so hard to get.

500 series anyone?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
You're right, it was condescending. And your experience with the XDA forums is apparently more limited than mine (and yes, that's in spite of you having more posts than me; maybe you just haven't paid the best attention).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
So (and again, not saying anything is TRUE one way or the other) it is ok for an Asus employee to postulate without direct evidence that the negative reviews come from competitors, but it is NOT ok for a member here to postulate (also without direct evidence) that Asus engages in the same behavior?

That in itself is what seems patently unfair. I don't see any substantial evidence to support that claim of the competition talking smack other than the rumor mill. You have quite the double standard.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
There have been many, many trolls making all sorts of negative claims about the Prime. Gary apparently has direct experience with people who have made such claims and then refused to provide the substantiating evidence. Those people are either purely scamming, or they're here for another purpose than getting support with actually problematic units. I don't think it's too much of a leap to presume that someone who makes such negative claims but disappears when asked for serial numbers and such to actually resolve them, might be playing some kind of game.

And that seems like a much more credible position than merely saying, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" and holding that out as evidence that ASUS is playing the same game.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
Call it what you want, a reach is a reach. I will say AGAIN I am in favor of purchasing the prime after this "exciting news", this is not anti-prime by any means.

What it is is calling the BS "logic" that some people seem to have with regard to this product, its rating up there with those "apple fanbois". Again what is YOUR SOURCE for the comment you just made? It is from Gary, who is the one you are trying to validate. You can't do a background check on a person by getting all your "facts" from said person, it doesn't work like that. I'm not saying Gary is lying, I'm not saying he has said anything untruthful or spoken out of turn. I am simply saying it could be propaganda, and some people seem unable to accept that as a possibility. These people who complain and then never materialize could be a fabrication, not saying that they are, but they could be, you don't know that any more than the next guy.

You cannot say "person A is credible and person B is not because person A told me they have experience". It's highly likely that he does have experience in that area, but if you want to use that as your substantiation then get some outside corroboration. I'm not paranoid that Gary/Asus are lying, I think its probably accurate info. I'll take what is disclosed to the public with a grain of salt though, not as the unquestionable truth.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Look, what Gary is saying is either true or it's untrue. Calling it "propaganda" doesn't change that fact. I choose to believe Gary, because I think ASUS has more to lose from outright lying in a public forum than they would from just keeping quiet. Also, I choose to believe him because I think ASUS is showing some seriously good faith by being here in the first place.

I simply think it's right to give ASUS the credit they deserve, which includes lending some credence to their chosen spokesperson
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
How is this all related to the Updates that this thread is about?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I did give them credit for going where few companies would. People who are 100% convinced that they are telling us the whole truth and nothing but are treading on thin ice in my opinion. I also said I think they probably are being honest about this situation, but that I will be a bit skeptical of what they are disclosing. They probably are telling the truth, just not the whole truth and in the complete context. They are a $20 billion company, I'm sure they know how to screen information leaving the company...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>500 series anyone?

I can see that. Price points at $350/450/550 for the 300/500/700? And $250 for 7"er?

Verge had a shortie on Asus saying it wants to be top tab-dog (say that 10 times fast), and Transformer series is the centerpiece. No doubt TF will have its Windows brethen, but it's a lot easier to be top dog in Android market, now that the other vendors have gone AWOL, than in the sure-to-be-crowded Win8 launch.

Then there's the rumor of Asus smooching up to Google to get the Nexus tab deal. OK sure put me in for a fiver.

Somewhere in the distance, I hear the snicker of my cynical self going, Sucker!

Whoa...looks like conspiracy theorists are out in force...DON'T SHOOT! DEMANDARIN MADE ME DO IT!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
I would bet the farm that the update will be for ICS 4.0.5..if anyone had read my other thread, the Archos Tablets were also having wifi/random reboot issues. Archos just released ICS 4.0.5 for their devices yesterday, which also addressed their wifi problems many were reporting to have. It would be great if a software fix actually can address our wifi issues, but we shall see...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I'll bite, I think the OP started the conspiracy theories with logical but unsupported accusations...If they are true which would not really be surprising though, that's a sad commentary on the state of business competition.

If they want to get in the game hard, :imo: the 7"er is where its at if priced accordingly. At the iPad price point I doubt they will steal many people away, either new or converts. iPad momentum is too strong.

Is anyone STILL curious why stock is STILL so low? Please don't say it is just selling incredibly fast. All the stores around me have never even really had a stock, amazon has been tapped out since the beginning of march. I hope this exciting announcement has something to do with the low supply and a change coming.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jfarinella:
This is an update post so I can get my info into ASUS - Over the last week I have started experiencing a WiFi drop issue. When my Tablet goes to sleep, sometimes it wakes up with either a very weak signal or a complete loss of WiFi connectivity. To fix the problem I have to do a re-boot. Re-setting the WiFi adaptor does not work. Other than than the occasional browser re-start my tablet has been working great on .15 (rooted). My only "want" is for a better wifi experiance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] micaman:
It's related to this, OP was not just about updates.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yhzhrm:
Yes, pretty quiet on the android tablet front, Toshiba Excite is available (Canada) but it’s over priced at $545 for 16GB and is only has Honeycomb. Acer A510 has an ETA release here for April 6th. It's a Tegra 3 running ICS so it will give Asus a little competition. Nothing new with Samsung.

I sure would like to see release dates for the new Asus Android tablets. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rogue100:
That would be nice and all, but how would it really be all that exciting for existing owners?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
It would actually be nice to have some company stoolies working the joint. At least the putdowns would be higher quality. Really, why does "literate fanboy" have to be such an oxymoron? :)

All kiddings aside, being that OP is a company rep rendering a valuable service here, then we should cut him some slack on his, eh, idiosyncracies. Hospitality and all that.

>In addition, also be aware that legal representation from firms or users looking for a quick handout or settlement might be doing the same.

Oops I forgot there is a lawsuit going on. So yah OK being paranoid is definitely a good thing.

>At the iPad price point I doubt they will steal many people away, either new or converts. iPad momentum is too strong.

Yep it's on Google to generate some excitement, so peeps won't just look at prices. Hardware alone won't do it. I'm hoping to see some serious pyrotechnics flying out of I/O in June. Rubin bud had better step up and, uh, double down. Is all I got to say.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] trita629:
Most of them have come from you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Moist:
Can people seriously stop bickering? I don't care about conspiracy theories and companies trashing other companies. It happens, so what.

What I do care about are results, and this thread has 41 pages(42-1) of none of that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SlapYoSelf:
Cmon with all dis "near future" b.s. Tell us what the exciting new is n cut all the mystery crap out... I wish i could return dis p.o.s
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jjdeveau:
Honestly posts like this just prove that some people can never be satisfied.

Gary and Asus by proxy have offered us unprecedented support, openness, and communication. Being in direct contact with its customers is not normally the modus operandi of a large consumer electronics company.

I have other devices were people have been crying out for support and updates for months on end with zero contact from the manufacturer.

So I for one am extreamly grateful that Asus and Gary have taken the initiative and responsibility to communicate and work with its customers that are having issues.

The effort Asus is making to keep its customers happy and informed will go a long way to build a strong loyal customer base.

Thank you Gary and Asus for your time and efforts and I apologize for the few people that would lash out and make ridiculous accusations and comments about you and your team.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
If the low supply is a result of extensive hardware and/or software tweaking/retooling, there will obviously need to be an "upgrade path" for existing users. Not necessarily a recall.

That's really all I can think of that would keep stock so low is that they have some retooling going on and the available stock is pre-change. Not saying it is likely (again just speculation) but its the only logical reason I can think of at the moment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
I totally agree. The Prime has been out now for over 3 months and they are no where to be found.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Delwind_Prime:
Supply issues

Hi all. First post on XDA and this is becoming my 'go to' site. Let me give my background first. I've owned a transformer prime for about 1.5 months (purchased at BB). With the exception of slower wifi than other tablets and (less range), I've been very happy with it and the updates that have come out. Great product for how i use it!

I went to try to purchase a second one for my wife's birthday and i noticed today on Staples.com that a local search for stores shows limited availability and that they were on "clearance" everywhere around me. When I called a local Staples the person said that they didn't have any new units and that the staples stores were selling floor units! He couldn't tell me why.

I hate to feed the FUD that is going on but it will be a shame if they are discontinuing this device after just a few months. Before I get flamed, I'm not a troll and you can check on staples yourself just put Pittsburgh PA in for the store listings.

Other than the uncertainty i have for my tf201, I don't have anything else to offer. I just felt that it might be relevant to share this information in the General Forums and this thread seemed appropriate.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Every device I own has one issue or another (be it my smartphone, my notebook, my desktop, etc.), and ASUS is the only one that has taken a real interest in resolving things. Neither Samsung, nor Toshiba, nor HP, nor Dell, has done ANYTHING. And judging from what I see on Apple forums, they're no better--they're just haughtier about not caring.

So, yeah, I'll continue to defend ASUS, not because I think they're perfect, but because I appreciate what they're trying to do. I felt the same way about their support of the TF101--no Android tablet maker has come even close to providing the number of timely updates as ASUS. So, let's give credit where it's due.

---------- Post added at 01:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:52 PM ----------

I still think it's possible that the Tegra 3 has been in short supply, and that's been the holdup. Given that the Prime is still the only Tegra 3 device that's actually shipping at all, it seems like a real possibility. If we see Prime stock increasing at about the same time as other Tegra 3 devices start hitting the street, we'll have our answer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] luisrodg:
It's the same here in Miami FL. It's not in stock in any BestBuy in the whole city of Miami and not even in adjacent cities a little bit to the north.

Now, the guy from ASUS (Gary) has stated they will not discontinue the prime, so assuming this is true, the only conclusion I could draw from this extensive lack of being stock is that ASUS realized the hardware problems and so stopped distributing. Since they are not discontinuing then it must mean they will distribute again new units with the hardware fixed. This also tells you that any unit you buy now is "old" and so prone to have the hardware problems.

All speculation on my part but I hope is a logical one...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rajeshr:
Staples is removing all inventory on the Transformers and moving them to an online store availability only. All the physical stores will no longer carry inventory, but you will be able to buy from staples.com. Additionally, I've been told that this will occur with some other tablets too.

Note that this is not a clearance item, as the "clearance" pricing is still the same as regular pricing!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
thanks for sharing but we already heard that report. its not a true clearance item. its still selling for full price. a guy earlier made a thread on it. plus the device not going to be discontinued so no worries about that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slef2003:
One issue regarding supply could be that the assembler of the TFP was pegatron (AFAIR) who were then told by a certain company with a fruit logo that it "might be in their best business interests) if they concentrated on producing goods for said fruity company as that way they would be fully concentrated on said fruity company and Asus were then forced to use another company who assembled other goods for them. This would obviously cause a glitch in supply chain if it happened at short notice.

One of the reasons that this thread being so long is that peeps post provocative stuff on it for their own reasons (believe it or not, there are some XDA members who spam(for want of a better word) their views and experiences whether or not they are relevant to the thread. I have felt like responding to some but have not bothered as it then gives the opportunities for flame wars.

This is a thread in which an official representative from Asus is posting and trying to improve OUR experiences by offering a level of support that I have rarely seen in this field and what do we get....Childish posters insulting him, his company and his colleagues posting about issues that have been repeated in many places in this and other forums. Does anybody stop and think "How do I want to be treated ?" before they use inflammatory language about him or the company he represents. He has already stated that his work on this forum eats into his personal life and yet we still get peeps posting insulting comments.

I can live with other threads in this forum being *****y but I would ask the mods to at least wield the sword of moderation on these "official threads" in which Gary has started to seek information and pass information through as part of a process of his company reacting and trying to be pro-active with problems.

Peeps seem quick to forget that not only is this device using a cutting edge processor, but it is also one of the first devices to use a new version of the operating system and Asus have been a heck of a lot better at responding to issues than a lot of companies.

Rant over and if peeps feel the need to respond, why don't you open up a new thread called *****ing or something like that (feel free to message me and I will happily join you in that discussion)and carry on the petty crap there and keep the "official threads" for what they should be!!

Andy
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jonphinguyen7:
+1

+1

Would love to see the Official Threads cleaned up a bit. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
#1 If pegatron was building for Asus, I imagine they had a contract. If they had a contract, I imagine they would not simply slow/stop production of a unit which they were contractually obligated to produce in favor of another unit. Just a though...

#2 Saying "something is coming" but not giving any other information is just dangling a piece of meat in front of a hungry wolf, this is completely to be expected. People are going to speculate, people are going to get opinionated, sometimes people will post something completely unsubstantiated as fact. I'm glad the thread was made but this was inevitable. If they want an info only thread they should lock it to the OP only and allow no other comments and only gary to update it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] -lukin-:
Pretty much the same as I'm thinking.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SlapYoSelf:
Stfu...i was talking to gary.. If he felt like a was lashing out he should reply... So hop off
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I thinking along the same lines... they should have been all over the shelves of brick and mortar stores a few months ago if Asus werent doing some redesigning.