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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TremF:
I have SystemPanel installed and monitoring on both my Prime and my One X and both are currently running smoothly. Recently I have played Dark Meadow, Demolition Inc, Pinball Arcade and Machinarium
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MXR2:
monitoring is fine, very good in fact. Just that whenever I used it to kill apps. 3D games go haywire
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluefoam:
I was under the impression that you were not supposed to kill apps?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
well, it is said that since gingerbread you shouldn't kill apps like crazy. meaning use normal / old school task killers to close all apps and stuff. because gb manages memory and cpu differently (better) than before. but it is also said that it is okay to close misbehaving apps. eg. an app that uses abnormal cpu.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
ASUS! Bring it on!!! :cool:

good thing i have Diablo III to keep me occupied! :P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
No doubt, enjoying D3 very much , even though it has a totally different feel

any word the new update on when the will go live, i had my first 2 reboots last night
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Right, you should kill single offending apps. Not all of them. And honestly, if you are able to pinpoint a single app is causing problems you should find an alternative altogether or alert the developer of the problem. It is such a funny thing that people try to save battery by constantly using their device and manually killing apps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
thanks for backing me up :)

this is how i got rid of several applications btw.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] scataldo721:
Ahh its killing me my computer can't run it! :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ylexot:
Can't run what? :confused:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] scataldo721:
Diablo 3 sorry I should've quoted it
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Moist:
So do the current testers have to keep quiet about the changes? Would be nice to know what doesn't get fixed...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
Yeah I think so.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MXR2:
my for case, yes. I'm just saying, incase there are other users experiencing issues with their 3d games could maybe look into this, to see if it could over come this problem. im not using any task killers for the time being and my prime is not misbehaving.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Well, based on TF101 and TF300 recent updates....

I think we can safely assume that it'll be "minor" update...

Sigh, was kinda hoping for ICS 4.04 (based on 4.04 reviews.. it greatly improved browsing experience over 4.03.. oh well)

But hey, we'll be getting Face Unlock!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
Yeah, Face Unlock, which is kinda cool, but no groundbreaking. At least for me. I have it on my One X, I played around with it, and that's all. Switched it off after showing off with it to my iPhone pals :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
I am speculating that the testing ran into issues... hence no release so far.

Beta testing by powerusers started last thursday/friday... over a week now!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Or Prime just has a lot of issues to begin to ink out.. since.. you know.. Prime's just act differently from device to device. I don't care about the length of beta test... as long as they release it with many of the "bugs"/"issues" ironed out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
The Prime update is quite different from the OG Transformer. The biggest part of the update is a fix for the gaming issues brought up from a *bug* in the latest Tegra 3 kernel and Google OS which causes the blinking screens/game crashes. Also, the browser crashes/slowness is also being addressed. Once the testers confirm that these issues have been fixed, then the new update will be released. I can only *assume* that a bug was found during testing, which had to be resolved and further testing was needed. Hopefully the update will be released by Monday or Tuesday of next week.

---------- Post added at 05:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:51 PM ----------

This one should resolve a lot of issues, mainly gaming problems and browser crashes/lag. Looks to be the best update out of all the prior ones if that says anything ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ranwanimator:
I'd be happy with the update fixing the digitizer inaccuracies. That's really all I want. I'd be happy to know even if this update didn't fix that particular problem that it was being looked into or addressed for a future update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
That may be the case. I was kind of hoping for a Friday release to have some fun this weekend testing out the changes.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] haberbe:
What about the wifi battery drain issue in .21? Any indication that this will be addressed? The only thing I really care about is battery life, so I hope this update brings back peak battery performance
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
If the signal strength was boosted in the prior update to *help* increase the wifi signal strength, then the side effect of that will be boosted battery usage. However, I have not noticed any battery changes since the last update. So hopefully it will be addressed for others. I can still go a whole day easily without having to recharge with normal usage. (surfing, gaming, emails etc)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ddarvish:
does anyone have direct email or phone number contact for Gary. I would like to speak with him about various issues i have with my prime. my unit was already replaced once and i still have problems so if somone can prvt me that info i would appreciate it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nygmam:
I have an issue with google maps crashing soon after loading. Anyone else have this and those beta testing does the new update have this issue?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] notoriouspk:
I hope the lag caused by flash is fixed in the upcoming update....my galaxy s2 dual core loads flash a lot faster than prime quad core ...tegra3 needs a lot of software optimizations
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Sigh, I guess I have gaming issue with my Prime...

Didn't notice as I hardly played any games on my Prime but after downloading Sonic Ep. II... I'm getting nothing but freeze, hang up.. and odd vibrate/moter type of sound before a reboot. Sigh....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] houtx2:
Same here. Only thing I've found to do is reboot the TP. It'll behave for a little while after that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Tried the demo last night it locked up on me 10 seconds into the game but after reboot it ran fine and played it for good 10 minutes. I'm not sure what rebooting does but it seems to fix a lot of games locking up when you try to run it right after install. I assume its RAM related? Thats the only thing I know that gets cleared after reboot. Maybe copying stuff to RAM either fails or takes a long or possibly memory management isn't optimized right.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
It seems like there is a memory/kernel issue related to .21 when playing graphic intense games. This is why a reboot helps resolve the issue 96% of the time. The new kernel from Nvidia should help resolve this problem. I wish that Asus would of tested games prior to releasing .21 though, I guess they forgot lol :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I bought the game earlier and is playing great for me ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
This is true. SGS2 is smoother with flash on than Prime with flash off.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
I dont know if its necessarily due to tegra 3 but maybe we need to look at the HTC One X thread with T3 versions, or the Acer a510 thread to see if they're seeing the same with flash.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
these cases too isolated. browser with flash is just fine for me. i use opera mobile anyways with flash set on demand. what eliminated any past little lag at times i did have was adfree. that solved basically everything, browser wise. i never use stock browser, it had too many issues. opera never crashes or freezes on me.

only recent thing i did have issue with was gaming. build.prop mod, so far, has seemed to fix that for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
hey man, have you experienced any freezes with that build.prop after a few hours of the device running without a reboot?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
not that I've noticed. No reboots either.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
ok then, I guess i should finally root and stop being chicken ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] StoneCracker:
Same here. I am going to swap it out soon for a c4 anyway. Might as well do my testing on this one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Yea, I bought the game and it is annoying the crap out of me. Reboot is good for about 10 to 20 mins of game play before it acts up again.

Memory, Kernel, I/O... whatever. I'm too lazy & frustrated to look into it....

Has been nothing but troubleshooting & finding work around with this device... UGGGH.

Just too many issues with Prime (rather that be critical or minor)... something always pops up to get on my nerves.

I personally think Tegra 3 (due to crap driver from Nvidia) isn't working well with ICS (also due to poor implementation of ICS by Google)....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] beekay201:
Yeah, you could probably do better huh? Too bad you dont work for google or asus or nvidia, you'd had it fixed by now huh?

*sigh*

Where's nvflash? I'm not going again to explain why do we need it, why do we want it or believe it must be handed to us - I just want an update.

Sent from my i9250
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
I still dont believe its Google. Because all my other ICS devices (SGS2 Samsung Stock ICS, Huawei Ideos X5 AOSP ICS, SGS2 CM9) are literally flying compared to this. I think I need to record a comparison video when my girlfriend gets back home with the Prime. I think I'm gonna take it Ideos X5 vs. Prime and let's see what happens. :D

If the browser hang and reboots get fixed then I'm satisfied. It is a shame that the most sexiest tablet on the market with absolutely ridicilous battery life does not have the software it deserves at the moment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you must not check out other forums here in xda. this is not asus specific issue. there has been widespread complaints of same issues concerning ICS across several different devices running it. tablets and phones. same browser hangups, lag, reboots, etc..... So software wise, it is more of google issue. Asus is a hardware manufacturing company trying to fix a software issues from google. They only can do so much from their end, as far as ICS fixes go. Google needs to be more aggressive in fixing ICS. Seems like ever since devices started getting it, its been problems all across the board.

Don't believe it, just google Android Ice Cream Sandwich issues and tons of hits will show up from different devices.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SgtBigSmoke:
I also use Opera Mobile but with flash always on. I can't complain much, except that I find many issues when trying to access Flash/Java based web apps, such as SAMSUNG KIES or AirDroid. I realise there isn't any kind of native Java support for Android (Was really pissed because I'd never before heard any mention of this till I got my Prime), but I wonder if there aren't just some small bugs in Opera that tend to interact badly with these applications. They seem to work - albeit very slowly - on the stock ICS browser, but I wan't to use them on Opera...

Anywhoo, just my two cents..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yod-b:
Can't be Tegra 3 alone. Can't be Google alone either. My One X is daaaamn fast and stable, the browsing experience is just the contrary of the Prime's. So, something is up with Asus, or it's hw releated.

I hope it isn't the latter. Does anyone know BTW if Prime has issues on custom roms too?

(I have intl. One X, with Tegea and obviously with ICS.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] notoriouspk:
I dont get this why would I Wanna use flash On DEMAND with a quad core processor ..:rolleyes: something is seriously wrong here I think its a software issue it has to be ...flash can't be this freaking slow on a quadcore processor..

And to all my friends no I dont care if its nvidia not releasing drivers or soursecode

..all I know is Asus is supposed to release drivers for my prime ..its been more than five months since prime they should have fully optimised it by now...i would rather blame ASUS..

ICS runs fine on my S2 along with flash....i think its not exynos chip(samsung) vs tegra3 ..

..chances are its Samsung vs Asus support n driver optimizations.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The_Stranger:
That may be true, there is a HUGE difference in de experience I have on my galaxy nexus and my prime. Both the same resolution, both on ICS. Chrome on the prime almost useless due too frequent crashes, lockups, "wait message boxes" loading times and fluidness while using (scrolling), while on my nexus it really flies.

Also other browsers are a hell of a lot faster on my nexus, in fact I have flash on demand on on my prime, but not on my nexus. And still my phone is faster...

Maybe google has ICS working flawlessly on a handful of phones (certainly the nexus) but is badly optimized for other phones/tablets?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
Gary wrote about giving the new firmware to few users.

Demandarin is probably one of them.

Could we get som details about this.

Browser issues, WiFI/BT, lock-ups, crashes... fixes??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] effezie:
Hope you used stock browser while testing
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
I would love to root, except, my prime is new, and I stupidly updated to the current version without doing any research, while I'm not new to custom roms, been flashing for years coming from a Hd2 and a sensation, i was really hoping not to have to go that route with the prime, hell, there's not even a way to root with the current version, and i don't want to have to go backwards just to root, but, its looking like i may have to go custom, at least at this point

I wonder if Asus is going to have a trade in program for the prime when the infinity comes available,I really like the prime, but am not happy with the performance at this point
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
No I still think that this is Asus and Nvidia related problem. I have heard about reboots but this browser hang is Prime only at least on my devices. I have also tested a One X a bit and it did not hang like Prime.

As I said, I will record a comparison video (unfortunately not until next friday), Huawei Ideos X5 vs. The Prime. I claim that at current software on Prime my old Huawei will be a decent opponent to the tablet. Hopefully I am wrong or the new update will be released before that fight. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jonphinguyen7:
"It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Is that Nieztsche? :) The man who said the only thing that separates us from animals is the ability to fool others :rolleyes:

Btw this update surely takes a lot longer to arrive than i thought^^ Well i hope they get it right this time.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] randalltroy:
Anybody else by chance concerned about this ^^^^^^.It sounded like a done deal last week.Must not be ready for prime time yet so to speak. Pardon the pun.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Oh, I was just referring to.. or making a guess on why "games" are crashing. As for Prime as a whole... I can blame Asus, Nvidia, and Google all at once.

Again, there's always something that pops up with Prime that gets on my nerves... I'm hoping next update will bring "some" stability. At this point, I do not expect Asus, Nvidia, and Google to fix/find a resolution to many of the critical issues with Prime (such as crap WIFI range.. this is more of HW issue).

So yea, this "beta" testing can take as long as they want... As long as it gets released with many of the current "issues" resolved. I'm willing to wait..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LNJ:
What's weird is that early reviews of the Prime were glowing. Asus must have cherry picked the review devices!

It's sad that my SGS2 and iPad2 can do everything faster and maintain a decent battery life.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ylexot:
Four those having problems, have you tried rebooting using the small hole below the microSD card slot?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
its pointless to continue countering silly claims. once update drops, people form their own opinion on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
i disagree with above as well based on my observation of facts.

i have seen my prime looking like an ancient machine in comparison to a ics device that a friend has. browsing on prime is almost apologetic...

and we were on same wifi network... both stock and unrooted.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jimmy2323:
I've had the same experience, comparing it side by side with my gf's 7.0plus for browsing is embarrassing...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Silly claims? What silly claims did I make?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Moist:
I think it was more likely for them to have paid the reviewers. Finding so many perfect Primes would be too difficult :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vvveith:
You sir deserve a medal!

You hit the nail on the head here, I have a multitude of devices running ICS and all of them run far more efficiently than this Prime. Really!!! The difference is shocking. I believe ASUS is dragging their feet on this device and effectively trying to sweep it under the table without to much financial loss. I believe some of the long unresolved issues are hardware related and therefore cannot easily be addressed if fixed at all. But hey, they did do one thing that is outrageously well done.......... Got our cash. Peace, V :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I wasn't talking about you. it was a general statement not aimed at you. I'm talking about phones being faster/more powerful than prime. that phone ICS is better. I can easily show xda posts on those same devices showing ICS issues.

another thing is THST they say their other devices run great on ICS yet, its widely reported on their said devices otherwise. I guess its like me saying my prime works fine and i have no browsing issues yet some report browsing issues. its a never ending two-sided story of whose devices working well and those who are not.

It is like you said though, it will take the collective effort of Asus, Google, And Nvidia to really make the best software optimization. So far its only Asus tackling it, for the most part. Even Asus frustrated because they are a hardware manufacturing company continuously trying to solve software issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] riyatch:
I dont care that Asus is frustrated because they have our money and sold us a sub-par product. In my eyes, they are responsible because their name is on the product and they are the ones that need to deliver. Anyways, im done with Asus.

Whats sad is that i was playing around with my 2 yr old OG EVO 4G, and it was loading web pages faster than the mighty Prime. We got a lemon of a product on our hands gentlemen. But is sure looks nice and on paper its super fast.:rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
To be fair, most aren't saying their phones are faster or powerful in terms of overall performance. Most are pointing out the browsing experience between their phone & Prime.... which is... imo, perfectly feasible. Prime had issues with "browsing" since launch... so, in that aspect... you should understand (plus, it's also one of the many "*****ing"/"critical" issue with Prime).

Edit: Btw, since Android is Open Source OS... Google has done their job at least (even if it is crap). It is up to Asus to optimize the OS to the device they release. Granted, Nvidia & Google aren't exactly helping them with crap drivers & kernels.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rcca:
Mine is not a lemon, almost perfect, is there a perfect tablet?

rcca
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I just made a long list of several different devices reported to have ICS issues, on xda. I had links to all the threads n everything. very long list and now I accidentally erased it...lmfao

SG2, Samsung galaxy nexus, HTC sensation, acer500, acer510, Motorola xoom, and the list just continued. ill be damned if I go researching all that stuff again. all these devices and lots more had Issues that occurred after updating to ICS.

ICS issues, browser issues, wifi issues, GPS issues, fill in the blank issues are not specific to asus, prime, or tegra3. almost all devices that updated to ICS experienced these issues or issues related to ICS.

point made. enjoy your day....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] apkapkapk:
I gotta say he's right. My friend says his SGS2 feels worse after an update to ICS; another says an update to ICS on his HTC phone (can't remember which one) made it lag more and apps were force-closing and all that jazz.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
There are problems with other phones, but Id say they are not ICS related. I have many devices from many manufacturers and Asus is only device that has real problems which seriously affect user experience. I will hopefully have SGS3 in my hands in two weeks time. Then I will have 4 ICS devices from 3 different manufacturers and I can record a comparison video.

In addition, the original SGS had serious problems with lag caused by the crappy file system used by Samsung. The lag was fixed with custom kernels converting the file system from RFS to EXT4. In the later firmwares Samsung moved the critical partitions to a faster disk in the phone and the difference between EXT4 and RFS were very small. This is why I still hope that the stuttering of Prime can be fixed with software. I dont think that this is related to hardware.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Moist:
LOL! So if it's happening to other products it's fine and we must just accept it. Good stuff!

This forum has turned into such a laugh! Hahaha!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LNJ:
The amount of people who own phones running on ICS is 100 fold compared to Prime owners.

If you're gonna point fingers at other manufacturers, you better check the sample size. The ratio of device to complaints for the Prime is way higher!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
really? where did you get your statistics? It might be true but your statement wow is complete fabrication.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rytkonen:
Especially when other products dont have such serious problems. Actually I asked about these issues from OG Transformer owners and they told me that they dont have the browser freeze. Random reboots are there but browser seems to work better than in Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] indie13:
Confirmed, my tf101 was great on ics with chrome. Now on the tf201 its not usable. The stock browser hardly ever had issue on ics on th tf101 but th 201 is awful.......

Also the tf101 did everything quicker from playing video to installing apps. Worse upgrade ever!!!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] notoriouspk:
Well asus was quick to release the update from honey comb to ICS ...now ASUS need to optimise drivers , tweaks etc to make prime better ...not a half hearted approach.

To ppl saying ICS have problems on other devices i think they havent used galaxy s2 ...galaxy nexus, htc one x....smooth experience ....test the upcoming update for another week or whatever but when u release it make it count....i dont want prime to be my last ASUS product.

hope ASUS is following this thread get a few new developers n figure out bugs n optimise my prime .No I AM NOT ALONE with a CRAWLING experience on my Prime ..hope u listenung..