yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
sales numbers are relative for a few reasons, especially on xda.

the developer environment cares about wether there is only -one- device to develop for, or one million. it's a percentage game, and there isn't much point in putting effort into developing an app/game/fix/rom/driver/whatever for just -one- phone. one million, a little more. just the replacement posibilities (if you drop it) for a device that doesn't sell well are a good example. if you really like a focus, or a gs2, or a iphone, but for whatever reason it doesn't sell well, spending a good deal of your creative energies developing -anything- for that device will not be a good use of time. it's not an argument (or not for me anyway) as to wether x sells more than y. it's just a metric.

xda has LOADS of incredibly creative minds, working for very interesting projects. if they were to all develop their language skill sets towards hacking a sony ericson w300i (a dead device) there would not be much point in logging in to xda.

even with a thread title as negative as 'nobody cares for x', it's possible to turn it into a good thread for reasons why people -do- care. not marketspeak, not spin, just simple reasons why you and others do care. does a 2x increase in device sales do that ? maybe not for one person, but for others it's possibly a step in the right direction.
[Windows Phone 7 General] koolkid09:
So would selling Windows Phones help them make money?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Here is what I mean and I would like to draw a music industry parallel.

Music is not what it used to be. Cranking out hits, club bangers, and going on tour to make money drives the more ambitious artists and not singing quality songs. Hooks and beats are what it is all about and most audiences do not know your song past the chorus.

XDA was all about creating and recreating the Windows Mobile experience. WinMo was powerful and highly customizable. People cooked Roms, created software, and did many creative things for the platform for the love of it. Donations and thank yous were enough and the garden was pure.

I understand Microsoft has abandoned this model. I understand Android is the closest thing to WinMo, but we have taken on the "cool kids" rotten attitute because now we are popular. But that is what popularity does to you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
...aren't the Sony Vaio laptops running on Windows OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
shhhhhh!!! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
That was my bad.

I didn't fix that post.

I mentioned that in another post
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] AndroidDude21:
Is anyone interested in getting rid of their Mytouch 4g slide? if so how much?

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] AndroidBotx:
You got a galaxy S 2? And you want the Slide? Why? SGS2 is superior in every aspect. More RAM. Better Screen. Better Processor. The list goes on and on. Undead stopped devving for this community cause he bought a SGS2. From his reports its a much better device all around. Hell im looking to buy one myself.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Blue6IX:
Random third party observation - why not trade? If you both want the device the other possesses then the details can be worked out i'm sure.

Just a random thought - i'd hate to see you move on so soon though, AndroidBotx, you seem like you have a lot of stuff rattling around your mind to share as you get into it. I'd rather see whatever journey of discovery you take here because I probably won't if it happens there...

...devving for something you don't like working on is a sure way to take encourage you not to do it anymore and i'd rather lose a dev of any level to another sub-forum then completely.

There will always be a shiny new something around the corner, and unless you want to ride the chaotic ( and fun! ) wave of chasing new release devices you gotta pick a spot to camp for a bit.

You could do far, far worse then the doubleshot as the device you held for a while.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Braccoz:
all good arguments except the fact that s2 has no hw keyboard. i really wanted the keyboard and went with the doubleshot, if i had not cared about it i would have gone s2 for sure
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] beezie916:
I can count on 1 hand i think the times I Have used the keyboard...i got the Slide as a warranty replacement for the Glacier....now when I call for another replacement they tell me there is no suitable replacements but the DS....I like HTC but I don't like the Tmo branding and possibility of exclusion from official ICS. These phones are supposed to be top flagship phones but I have had 3 glaciers fail and 2 DS fail already in less than a year....I have asked for the older Sensation even and no go....I told myself after owning 3 different Crapsungs as my first Android devices I would never go back to Crapsung but starting to second think that...lol
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] overhauling:
Are you willing to trade without any other charges?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] beezie916:
Yeah what he said lol
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] inkling:
I'd be interested in a trade. Mine has a Mugen battery inside.
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
:o

I never tried S8500 Android, nor I have experience with Android handsets... :o :( :o

But I have stupid Questions. :D

Feel free to correct me, if I'm too stupid. :D

1.

I have never seen "optimized" aka custom ROMs... :confused:

Why?

Is it not possible to remove few Sounds, Pics... config files?

Maybe edit few settings...

2.

What is with such funny and normally easy tasks like this...

Some Logo or maybe start Animation or something like this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1396818

3.

Please read now carefully or ignore it.

Your choice. :D

Everyone is welcome to post something usefull...

if not usefull... who cares... :)

Free speech for everyone. :cool:

Best Regards

P.S.:

I'll start soon with Download files... and check few things...

As I am Android MEGANOOB. :p
[Android Development on Bada] Soxix:
1. Kernel is not ready so it is harder to make a ROM

2. The boot animation is a minor thing. The most important is to make android working on Wave I and II. Maybe after the devs would choose a boot animation.
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
At the moment our Porting "Gods" not talk anymore with as stupid groupies... :)

I am not dumb enough to wait ... wait...

Why not use time to learn something. :) :confused:

I will starting now with lesson 1.

I will teach myself. :D

Attention. Lesson 1.

Downloading file from Internet... You need any space on HD and Browser... :p

Lesson 2.

After 10000 seconds I found this file:

ext2system.zip

Impossible task. :eek: :(

Zippo I know, but what is ZIP... :confused:

Sounds like .trip... :D

Oh, found something to decompress...

ZIP

WinRAR

Lesson 3.

:eek:

New file ext2system.img :confused:

:o

What I need to open this file...

Thanx in advance...

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
Okay, this time no joke... :o

How to extract *.img

Maybe this?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1132724

Need some time for learning...

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] pawlakpl:
There is very useful page where You can check file formats and how to open it :

fileinfo . com/extension/img
[Android Development on Bada] secretwhite:
Maybe you dont have to open img files.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1212616

you can find all the files inside the img files in this thread hopefully. If the links still works.
[Android Development on Bada] anghelyi:
You just have to mount it under linux (something like mount -t ext2 -o loop whatever.img /some_folder). It's an ext2 filesystem image.

But without the working kernel you can't do much... You can change the boot animation (it's stored in the system.img), or the boot logo with some tricks (you have to trick here as the bootlogo comes from the kernel, but it's pretty easy to change).

What do you want to acheive?
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
Good question...

I want to see files inside to analyze... learning.

This is what I do since 2006...

Playing with Firmware... :cool:

Maybe Android is cool...

NO idea yet. As no Android handset in use nor Linux on my PC...

But why not use time...

I am not smart enough to have enough Coding skills...

But my butt is fat enough... waiting for something is not really an option. :)

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
As Windows Fanboy maybe I'll try this...

http://www.howtoforge.com/access-linux-partitions-from-windows

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
My fault... :rolleyes:

WinHex can extract files from ext2system.img

Later more...

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] nbates66:
as I've said many times, you can MOUNT the ext2system.img file from a Linux system using the following:

mount -o loop ext2system.img /some_dir

kind of same principle as here, except it's ext2 filesystem and not samsungs moronic rfs:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=751827

when working with android it's definitely preferable to do so on a Linux system, suggest you try installing Ubuntu on a Virtual machine.

I guess the reason a bunch of custom roms haven't popped up is because the lack of modem drive means they don't make it more useful, and we still have no idea how to solve problems like the sleep-power off or microphone crash.

If you want to have a go at modifying it however, the contents of the ext2system.img file are mostly from the I9000XXJPX firmware's "factory.rfs" file image, and many modifications that can be done to that (which is froyo 2.2 based) can possibly be made to work with this one.

note: do not attempt to use the recovery system for any of the "update.zip" packages available
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
I can see *.qmg Pics...

Are there any Viewer for Android?

I mean any Tool to see *.qmg on PC?

Interesting...

Around 1000 files in 50 folder...

biggest file is Swype.apk with 10 MB...

libicudata.so is with 6 MB biggest .so file in lib folder...

.so are ELFs...

Hmmm...

First I would remove Sounds... :D

Btw... few Fonts... in ttf...

Hmmmmm.... maybe first would be around 50 MB reduce...

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] anghelyi:
But why do you want to remove stuffs from it? It's just storage space... :D I think you'd better install the SD based "release" on your Wave, it's easier to experiment with it. But I totally agree with nbates66: you will need Linux at some point to progress. I have Ubuntu in VirtualBox to tinker with Android.
[Android Development on Bada] nbates66:
the ".so" files are kernel module drivers(I am incorrect here, ".ko" files are kernel modules, ".so" files are some form of library), ".apk" files are android applications. The contents of .apk's can be extracted by using an archiver, I just checked using 7-zip.

".qmg" files are basically some sort of animation graphic, you can see them in /system/media/ for battery animation, and boot animation, there is nothing new here it has all previously been modified to death on the 100's of other android devices and most mods done for a Galaxy i9000 Froyo 2.2 firmware should be workable for this one.

you can also clearly see the shutdown animation stored as a set of .png files at /system/media/video/shutdown

the various audio files are all in the .ogg format in audio.

the 4 files inside "/system/firmware" are firmware files for a Galaxy i9000 camera NOT FOR A WAVE S8500 camera!!!

the bootsound and various settings are stored in "/system/etc"

"/system/bin" has various executable files used by the system, though they all are symlinked from "toolbox", this includes things like mv (move file), rm (remove file), and also executables for tasks during boot and handling wifi like "bootanimation" or "playlogo" and "dhcpcd"

if you really have to look at it from within windows, I believe Winimage can extract the contents of ext2system.img.

EDIT: wrong on ".so" files
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
I need only way convert from qmg into JPG or PNG...

QMG-->JPG

Reason is very simple in my eyes. :)

Hmm. Maybe now more clear... if folder is named lib like library.

Then these are only parts... like DLL in Windows world...

Btw...

"Surprise". QMG and *.so also exists in bada world... ;)

About *.so...

Are these proprietary Samsung stuff? :confused: :o

Or open source... :confused: :o

Maybe then we could more understand, what is for what...

:D

Why not... nobody will die or explode.

1.

Train my little brain

2.

Removing unnessary crap can help to free more RAM or other memory...

This is no secret. ;)

3.

XDA is for sharing knowledge and to learn something usefull.

Not only download, without asking why...

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] nbates66:
well i'm afraid I don't know how to open the QMG's themselves, but all they contain are some sort of animation, the "playlogo" and "playlogos1" executables appear to be something non-standard Samsung created for their boot animations, to use custom animations I believe the workaround used is to rename the playlogos file to something else, and in it's place put a file that points to the android standard "bootanimation" executable, the bootanimation executable plays a boot animation from the "bootanimation.zip" file which is just a zip file with a set of images and a txt file that describes how it should play

here is some info regarding the bootanimation.zip: http://android.modaco.com/topic/338...nimationzip-futurama-bender-bootanimationzip/

well the QMG format I believe is some proprietary Qualcomm format (the modem in Wave phones which happens to be Qualcomm can be used for processing of various formats) but the (INCORRECT INFO).so file extension is used across a variety of systems for kernel driver extensions, and .so's are used in this case and for many android devices to allow manufacturers to install drivers without putting them into the Android kernel source (which apparently voids them the responsibility of publishing source codes) however .so's are NOT inter-compatible with different systems, IE bada .so files will likely fail if you attempt to use them on Linux kernel and vice versa, even Linux .so's for a slightly different Linux kernel version fail to load.(".ko" files are Linux kernel modules, ".so" files have been described as some form of software/native code libraries)

as for storage space on the "ext2system.img" file, it is generally mounted as read-only by the system and not modified unless your modding, the space in ext2system.img is normally not used for install of applications or for file/document/save storage of any kind.

sorry if this post doesn't make much sense, I in fact know very little about the inner workings of android, I mainly contributed slightly to modifications on init.rc:

http://code.google.com/p/badadroid/source/browse/trunk/nbates_files/xxjpxinitramloop030711/init.rc

EDIT: regarding the QMG format I just had a rethink and remembered that the Galaxy i9000 (from which this firmware came from) has a completely different modem configuration other than manufacturer (Qualcomm) yet the animation plays fine on Wave S8500, so possibly not the modem that is processing it in this case.

EDIT2: wrong about ".so" files
[Android Development on Bada] Rynoo:
Hello guys, please make me clear this. I own a samsung wave y s5380 with bada 2,0 os the phone has a 832 mhz cpu, can this phone support Android?Can I upgrade os to android instead of bada?Please answer me I searched whole internet and didn't find any tread or post to say something about if this can be done or not.Thank you and have a good day.
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
S5620...

http://darkforestgroup.com/forum/index.php/topic,9231.0.html

This is Broadcom based...

Sure... :)

This is the reason why you think its easy to port to every device... :D

Your handset S5380 is also Broadcom based...

BUT this all on similarity with S5620 Monte....

S5380 NO known or confirmed Android solution yet...

Sorry. :D

If wrong answer.

Sorry. :D

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] Rynoo:
I still hope that will appear something that can I upgrade from bada to android :((
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
Hope ever dies at last...

BUT why the hell you buy an bada handset, if you love Android? :D

Fastest working solution for your problem is.

Buy Android handset.

If you have time... much time.

Range between 0 and open end... (in years) :D

Then wait or maybe port self Android to your handset.

No joke...

There are several projects to port Android to unsupported handsets... :)

Why not start new project for S5380...

You need only NEW Devs... so you can recruit NEW Team members.

It makes sense ... user with S5380 or Broadcom knowledge like Monte team...

Again. For Broadcom I know only this:

http://darkforestgroup.com/forum/index.php/topic,9231.0.html

Good luck.

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] adi4u4882:
Releasing a video is a good idea but releasing a non stable or alpha build is not a good idea. One of the reasons why previous port stopped is because many started asking trillion questions which drastically slowed down the port. So, i request you to release a beta version with some basic functions working instead of releasing a half baked version to the public. Release the alpha version to only few members who would like to help with the port in order to avoid confusion :)
[Android Development on Bada] princepsp:
i wanna test alpha version :) if you make alpha for testers.
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
Sorry. This is absolutly nonsense...

Immer dieser Schwachsinn...

Das Portieren ist mit max. 2 Devs niemals nie nicht zu bewältigen.

Das ist so als ob man ein mehrstöckiges Haus mit 2 Leuten bauen möchte... zumal diese vorher noch kein Haus gebaut haben. Und sich vieles mühevoll erarbeiten müßen...

Wenn "er" jetzt wieder an einer Stelle aufgibt... er hat ja scheinbar fast von 0 angefangen...

Der nächste fängt wieder bei 0 an... :rolleyes:

Nur hirntote Videogucker... :)

Best Wishes. :D
[Android Development on Bada] adi4u4882:
I'am Sorry :D I dont understand your language and google translate is not good enough, but i think your trying to say that 2 people is not god enough. It would be awesome if everyone would help the port instead of just complaining And have you heard the saying "Too many chefs spoil the broth" ? :D I will be good if the dev(s) give the files to only some members will keep him updated with the bugs and errors. I know everyone will be interested in testing out the port but some just forget that it is Alpha version. If the dev works with a group of people who will help him then we will get the stable port within a short span of time. But anyways, it all depends on the dev, if he thinks it will be good to upload to the public then thats the final decision. This is just my opinion :)

Best Regard's
[Android Development on Bada] princepsp:
I think He's trying to say to you "Sorry. This is absolutely nonsense... because

previous build stopped because 2 people are trying to port.(and Oleg had work)But now more than 2 people trying to port.
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
I will create Video for you. ;) :D

Soooooooooon... :p

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] adi4u4882:
Ha Ha :D Good Luck with your Video! :p
[Android Development on Bada] princepsp:
where can i download dalvik debug...?
[Android Development on Bada] adi4u4882:
The Dalvik Debugger is available in the Android SDK.

And you can learn how to use it from the sites, here and here.
[Android Development on Bada] princepsp:
i downloaded but i cant find it.Does it req. ubuntu?(i am using windows)

thanks i will try elicple

edit : now i cant find ddms in elipcle
[Android Development on Bada] adi4u4882:
I think these sites will help you locate eclipse ,

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/...locate-android-webkit-websettings-pluginstate

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6889938/eclipse-cant-locate-my-sdk-folder
[Android Development on Bada] hero355:
Good News..We Waiting for Your First Alpha Release.I'm also Want to Test It :) ;)
[Android Development on Bada] adi4u4882:
Yep, Please share the firmware with us also :)
[Android Development on Bada] comcio:
I think that the Donators will be the first testers, I'm one of them :)
[Android Development on Bada] hero355:
You Can See New Videos from Mike :)

[YOUTUBE]DwBh3yD0BuE[/YOUTUBE]

Multitouch

[YOUTUBE]N0KzGM4dxfA[/YOUTUBE]
[Android Development on Bada] wirel1:
Thank you for the updates, and big thanks to Mike for feeding us with such information !
[Android Development on Bada] Sylar:
Please, port ICS on TOP LEVEL Wave 3 S8600!!!
[Android Development on Bada] hero355:
Wait,Just I'm Porting :D :D :D
[Android Development on Bada] cristi.badoi:
hey!

sorry adfree for "polluting" you thread but I don't have permission to make a new one.

I'm trying to configure my ubuntu vm to get some knowledge on this whole android stuff, but I can't seem to get my S8500 connected.

Just wondering, what have you guys setup under etc/udev/rules.d/

I tried with a galaxy s configuration, but doesn't seem to work.

thx
[Android Development on Bada] adfree:
No panic.

Free Forum. :D

Best Regards
[Android Development on Bada] Sylar:
what do you mean? :)
[Android Development on Bada] hero355:
I'm not a DEV. guy ;) It is Only Stupid Answer On the Stupid Thread :D
[Android Development on Bada] cristi.badoi:
Hey,

the debugger is working under Win, so no need for Ubuntu version anymore.

Maybe it's also related to the VM and me having 3 other devices connected through USB.

Another possible/probable st.pid question :) , but why not ask.

Made my install android on S8500XXLA1, changing the fota with one found on these threads(universal one for bada 2.0) and changing the boot files with the ones in S8500XXKK7, and both bada and android are working just fine - ext2system.img, sbl.bin and zImage taken also from these threads.

I was trying to get the latest version of the kernel that Rebellos is working on with the initramfs also posted there, installed on my device - compiled both of the branches.

Latest one, has ~2.3 MB so it's no good from start... moved it to device and it's getting stuck before init(my guess) - because it doesn't even connect to debugger. something else need to get this working? initramfs needs more changes? need another ext2system.img? dunno

First one, has ~6.x MB looks better, but still no go.

Is it something that I am missing?

thx!

PS: If you wanna try these things try them at your own risk...

LE: Maybe update would work with update.zip file, but still latest version of the files give a zImage too small...
[Android Development on Bada] nbates66:
as far as I know none of us have managed to get the .35 kernel to boot the android platform yet, other than maybe tigrouzen, but he never supplied any of the files he used to get it to boot, he also likely didn't have display (he was using an S8530 and LCD driver was non-functional at the time).
[Android Development on Bada] anghelyi:
I'm still saying, that moving away from .32 was a mistake... Even ICS works on .29 in the SDK emulator, we had no real reason to move to .35. We have/had a partially working kernel, maybe it would be easier to modify the platform (AOSP maybe?) not the kernel... But of course this still keeps us hanging wihout RIL...
[Android Development on Bada] princepsp:
But mike says " .35 req.. for 3d accelate" or i understand wrong.i will try modifided Rebellos kernel :))
[Android Development on Bada] cristi.badoi:
Does anyone have the .32 sources that were "working"

Thx!

@princepsp those are .35 - maybe I am not looking where I should... but still...

@princepsp LE: Look in the Readme files... they say that they should be read :)
[Android Development on Bada] princepsp:
goto Rellebios github :)

---------- Post added at 01:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:08 PM ----------

where do you know? i will try build in windows and flash kernel to froyo(test) and i will try android 4.0.4 rom :P maybe it will work
[Android Development on Bada] hero355:
Just now @Princepsp Made Something and Here it is :D
[Android Development on Bada] anghelyi:
Yep, this is what I have, too :D