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[Eee Pad Transformer General] yoyomonk:
While I agree a petition would be effective, I also think using the power of social networking might be a beneficial use of resources. Social networks allow a mass of people to share their opinion, and we can be respectful in doing so.

What might be better is this: Maybe we should begin a petition, and once we reach a goal, we can try to use twitter to show Asus the petition.

What should our goal of the petition be? Can the mods give us an idea of how many people regularly visit these forums?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] schorote:
ok, hello xda, this is why i registered here.

in the last days i spent many hours with this topic on google and div. forums.

my is a tf101g, b80, and no sbk1

right now it runs revolver rom and cwm

so what i got in mind is (and plz correct me if i am wrong):

if you flash one part at a time, you dount brick your pad, so first get cwm working, than your rom.

while your rom is working, you can flash recovery as much as you like. visa versa, you can flash your rom as much as you like, as long as you keep your recovery. But this has been said in other topics allready.

so the unknown sbks just protect the apx mode, witch is nassesery to flash a new bootloader. but this is the most wanted part so far, to get a real linux native working. infact i dont like the way presented right now over nvflash, i would like to see a more different way, booting in normel mode should fire a menu like cwms menu to select diferent os to boot.

so there are 3 ways to get there, but i didnt done so much kernel coding to tell if its posible:

first would be a chainboot in front of the kernel (in good old dos you can start linux right away) and because its in the kernel you would not need to flash the bootloader

2nd way would be to get the actual sbk by try and error. like bruteforce, but i do not know how fast and in whitch way we could check different generated numbers to se if they are a working sbk, and if its legal.

3 pray and wait for asus to react.

would be nice if some one of those cool guys from cwm or rom builders or sbk detect could tell how wrong i am with my thougths or send me to hell

schorote
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrevankyle:
Concidering we do not have the kernel source yet and no one really feels like doing any soldering on their table to get access to the partition i do not think the first option is very plausable although it may be possible with a lot of work

The SBK key for SBK1 is

: 0x1682CCD8 0x8A1A43EA 0xA532EEB6 0xECFE1D98

i think that may be difficult to crack and would require a whole lot of brute force and a smidge of ignorance

Asus will never release it without incentive but we must go about it smoothly to make sure asus keeps a good connection with the devs. We do not want what happened to the htc devs to happen to us. Sure they eventually got back on the good side but there was a long hard time where they got nothing because of how hard they pushed.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Wdustin1:
true don't wanna make them mad. Unfortunately they hold all the cards here
[Eee Pad Transformer General] clouse2013:
Im in for whatever we decide to do as well. They unlocked the Prime and its BS that ours still isn't.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rafa6571:
Totally in
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miggio:
Me 2
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eminembdg:
Why doesn't the OP just start an online petition and link it here ? We can all say " I'm in " til we're blue in the face but its not accomplishing anything
[Eee Pad Transformer General] yoyomonk:
Will do. I'll start a petition when I get home tonight.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Krish.Nagarajan:
Count me in

We should fight for the right to use the devices we have purchased, any way we want and not have entire components locked down.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kriEv:
I'm in as well. We need to get something started though.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] yoyomonk:
Sorry for the delay. I had a busy night. The petition has been added to the original post. Here is the link as well:

http://www.change.org/petitions/asus-release-the-secure-boot-key-for-b70-asus-transformer-devices#

Thoughts on a date and a goal of signatures? Depending how many we get in the first few days, I think we can better measure how many signatures to aim for. Also, As for a date, how about 2 weeks from now? Longer? Shorter?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cavsoldier19d:
I just signed, even though I have a b60 with sbk 1. Thought i would help out my fellow TF owners. A suggestion, u may want to edit the OP to include the link to the petition so that the link doesnt get lost in the thread.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eminembdg:
Signed
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Not only did I sign it, i posted a link to it on the wall of Asus' Facebook page :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cavsoldier19d:
That might have been a bit premature. At this moment, the petition only has 8 votes...probly should have waited until we have more votes.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Not the petition itself, a link to it to sign for people who see it on the wall lol I'm not stupid! At least not that stupid...lmao how do you intend to get signatures unless people know there is a petition going around? Probably wise to post it on android police, flash my android, any other android mod forum..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cavsoldier19d:
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] samsung:
SBKv1, but supporting, count me in
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klabit87:
Signed!

Ready to be able to nvflash and be unbrickable.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Wdustin1:
Signed I hope more people get involved 17 isn't gonna do it lol
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eminembdg:
Tweet it, Facebook, Google + , and on other Android forums.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Bump it up! Add some "!!!!!!!"'s to the title of the thread and a "Y U NO SIGN NOW!!!???" lol
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Woody:
This needs to more organized

I am all for change and believe as a consumer, i should have the right to my product in its entirety. I do feel that we should be allowed to have full and total access to our devices as well as the responsibility that it entails.

If you are going to do this, I back you 100%, however in its current state it is seriously lack-luster. You need to re-word the petition with more evidence why the bootloaders need unlock (How do you think the giant Verizon backed down to the surcharges? It was b.c they had a great petition with 150k+ signs). Put in and show examples of how it will effect us/them (RMAs up or down), why does the Prime have an unlock key, who is their demographic for these things (i.e. students, business people, stay-at-home moms,...) wrap it up in a clear, clean and precise statement.

How many TF101's have been sold? I saw in the thread that you wanted to get a specific number of people, how many? This number needs to be a balance between with regards to the number of units sold. Need to do some research on this.

We should not be asking, but rather demanding the key. However without any evidence or simple reason why it would be beneficial, the demand for the key is nothing more than whining and it will be regarded that way by them.

The blasting of Twitter, FB and G+ is a great idea and should be done, however it needs to be more organized and set out for some significant date like maybe the original release date/anniversary, or some CES type convention-something that will gain their attention, as well as people who may be on their sites for an entirely different reason at that time. Raise awareness to people who don't even know what XDA is.

Hit Android sites like Phandroid, Android Police, Rootzwiki,...Get people to post this in their PHONE forums. Spread the word.

Once it is cleaned up and more organized Get the DEVS on board with this. If they can put a link in the OPs that would help. How many views does Gnufabio or Paul Burton or Revolution have? Those are potential signatures.

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OP (and anyone else who wants to) - I suggest you look at this thread that myself and 3 others created and the petition it includes. It is for a completely different scenarios but have all of what I am talking about. The petition is still active, however with the dawn of AOKP, the need for ICS has lessened for that particular device.

I have extensive writing skills for the work I do, so if you want help, just let me know.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] linuques:
I've just signed. Let's make this happen.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mcbyte_it:
I signed, but I doubt it will work, as Asus never released the sbk keys, for the prime they just released a tool to unlock the bootloader and allow custom roms, but not the keys to use nvflash on the prime (afaik, unbricking Transformer prime is not possible, yet), so we are in the same situation.

But let's hope somebody listens and 'leaks' some keys.....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Bumpity bump...SIGN IT! ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] atv3d:
+1

Nvflash should be a right
[Eee Pad Transformer General] znpp:
I signed it, but, I doubt it will do any good as there were only 48 signatures as of 8:00 P.M., we need to get a huge campaign going on this some how.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] icce007:
Just signed, at 50 now, posted on my facebook too so we should get some more
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Bumping. 50..impressed..need more now, halfway.. though we will need probably 1000 minimum to get Asus' attention, and even then will the relay it? I agree, the times that users with sbk2 could unbrick their device should be the main point of focus.. it really isn't harming anyone to release it considering half of us already have our boot key, and is only useful to modders and devs..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dieselrellim:
Just signed b80
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tryfarming:
signed

Its important to get this released to secure the long term development on this device
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrwolf85:
Have My support

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus usando Tapatalk
[Eee Pad Transformer General] max_105:
Me too
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Ligerblue:
just signed

+bump
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dreamboxuser:
The reason for unlocking needs to be more clear and benificial to both parties.

Still signed tho
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
that sounds dirty
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Woody:
+1 and see here. I have it all mapped out for the OP.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Guess I got nothing to lose. Will sign.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
One week has passed and all the entire internet managed to gather was 95 signatures?

I'm going to go ahead and label this doomed :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Bumping this...where you guys at?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eminembdg:
You guys know CallipH from around xda? Mostly on the Vibrant forums. He started a petition to Samsung and got heard. Its because he advertised on alot of social networks and wrote a very professional sounding petition.

We just need more eyes to see this and yes the petition should speak a few more points and examples
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Woody:
I keep harking on this too. But if OP doesn't do anything about HIS petition then this is dead in the water.

@callip's was more like a twitter blast and he got everyone on board. #neveragain
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eminembdg:
Twitter, Facebook, and a petition! And lots of advertising
[Eee Pad Transformer General] yoyomonk:
Sorry for not replying or updating this thread. I've been sick all week :-/ Later tonight, I will try to update the description with more details and organize a date.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ShortRound51:
Signed!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] trevh:
Signed. Let's hope they unlock the bootloader.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Wdustin1:
Well I keep posting through social networking as much as I can. Are we going to actually change the writing in the petition to sound much more professional or is it gonna stay as is?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] trevh:
Asus UK already announced (January 4) unlock for our Bootloader

There was an announcement by AsusUK via their twitter account that the TF101 will have its bootloader unlocked "... shortly after the TF201 Prime". Should we contact Stef Korporaal and @AsusUK to see what's going on? (see transcript, below)

For those who want to check back through twitter, a transcript of @asusUK (Asus UK) official twitter page follows:-

StefKorporaal Stef Korporaal

@AsusUK Will there also be an unlock for the TF101 bootloader? Specifically, the

B70+ version?

4 Jan

@AsusUK ASUS (UK)

@StefKorporaal Yes - anticipated shortly after TF201 Prime, We'll let you know soon.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dreamboxuser:
Bootloader and SBK (Secure Boot Key) are two different things.

Ya I noticed that and would like point out how important it is to be clear. People would probably be more willing to sign up if the purpose was clear. Instead of something like"its mine and I want it" Perhaps a rethink is in order.

Just thinkin out loud and not trying to steal anything but to proceed on a large scale you need large scale orgaization. Think big think clear think how it works for both groups.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
I've never seen this one before. Thanks for bringing it up.

This shows that there is will internallyin Asus to do this. And that looks like a (for now) broken promise which they have yet to fullfill.

We should get the petition cleaned up and start spamming facebook, twitter and what not. Will probably not be as powerful as the TF201 rage was, but maybe we can get somewhere.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
*bump*

Tweet for those interested.

https://twitter.com/#!/AsusUK/status/154493803418484736

Go bugger asus about this already :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] x_jane:
Good news!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Hellrespawn:
I didn't expect people to dredge up my old tweet. For those interested, I haven't heard anything from them since. If the petition is still on, count me in.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] trevh:
Tweet as well as sign petition.

Following that brilliant link, I certainly put a new tweet out to asusUK. And thanked josteink for posting the link to do it.

Seems some of you know how to use twitter way better than I do. :)

Good work, every little but helps! If Asus see enough tweets gently reminding them of negative consequences of broken promises to customers, I'm sure they'll come 'round.

And if the petition gets new wording to "help" them understand consequences of not following through on their tweet, that will make our campaign more effective too.

---------- Post added at 05:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:16 AM ----------

Please tweet a new message, Hellrespawn .... It will help Asus understand that we won't gow away about this and we're going to hold them to their commitments or else tell potential customers about the way they treated US, good or bad -- Asus will then have a clear choice to make.

It's why I saved a transcript of your tweet back in January, just in case they might try to wriggle out. Legally speaking, they have made a written commitment and many consumers possibly made buying decisions based on that (The TF101 is STILL selling from dealers in Australia) so Asus may even be breaking consumer protection laws in some countries)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Hellrespawn:
Sent them another tweet. Now to wait and see...

Sent from my HTC Desire S
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dreamboxuser:
That is from 3 months ago. Nothing yet.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
I know.

Was just digging it out so that people would at least be aware that someone in the Asus system had promised this.

To me, that gives them something to live up to. So I thought it was worth reposting.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dreamboxuser:
Ya that was more of a bump and a comment than a comment about the date.

Sorry should have been more clear.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] x_jane:
Not any news from Asus? :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
We are getting faithfully ignoree.

No response to my comments at least.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] yoyomonk:
I apologize for being such a poor OP. After being sick and traveling, I became swamped in my research paper and since neglected to update this thread.

A few things:

- I will be posting this Petition to XDA and seeing if r/android will be willing to mobilize for us.

- Is anyone in favor of tweeting/posting/emailing in mass quantities one week from today on April 4th?

- I will attempt to write a more fluid description in the petition. Would anyone else like to give it a stab?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
We can try April 4th, but I think that may be too little notice to gather the required numbers for something that makes them take notice and respond..

I say we go for the 4th of every month until we get heard.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Woody:
This is a good idea. We also need some sort of anniversary date. When did the tf launch? Something of significance to make sure that people who aren't aware of XDA will see our posts on FB, G+ or Twitter. That way we can get the general population with us. Gen Pop is just a bunch of sheep. We can easily get them to do our bidding with the right wording.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Use when the SBK1 leaked..if we can find that date lol

Edit; Apparently Jun 8..Rayman got ahold of it somehow..I wonder exactly how that went down..you could make a spy movie out of it lol
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sbiriguda:
While I agree that APX mode should have been unlocked in the first place, I'm a bit skeptical about Asus ever releasing the SBKv2, no matter how much pressure we put them under.

Think about this: they went to the trouble of setting up a new SBK soon afterwards the first one was leaked (mind you: leaked, not willingly released to the general public!), so they have invested a significant amount of time and money in changing operating procedures for high level tech support and even product manufacturing (changing a value burned into an OTPROM during mfg involves a lot of QA and pre-production test runs).

The only (faint) hope is that someone is willing to risk his own butt by leaking the new SBK.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
I'll be on vacation abroad and definitely not internet mobilization/activity mode. Sorry.

If we can make it a regular for later occasions I'll be able to attend.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] x_jane:
Asus is not something to respond to anything ... sadness

Send from my new ... IPad! Goodby blasted Asus :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
What all Android manufacturers need to comit to is the following:

1/ How long they will support the device with updates (18months is what the OHA have agreed I believe).

2/ And when that period expires, to provide a mechanism to unlock the bootloader and allow community support.

The advantage of this is:

1/ Manufactuers don't have the worry of unlocked bootloaders during the warranty period.

2/ By the time the device is unlocked, drivers are likely to be mature, and more widespread (as many devices will also use the same chipsets) and thus porting is easier.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SamuelDebruyn:
Please include all the Transformers and the Slider.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Let me guess.

Nothing new? Has anyone attempted to make contact? Has anyone received any or no response?

At least keep this thread alive by posting so.

I try, on every occation I can, to bug Asus about their lack of support on this case. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Ideally, we should link to where we've bugged them so that others can follow up and show that there are more people who care.

Personally I think bugging Asus in social medias will do much more good than signing one online petition which they can dismiss once and be done with it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jmoli54:
I'm in, but for all transformesr!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xoulis:
I think that if we agree towards the grounds that as aconsumer

1. I have the right to OWN my device and use as I please. (it's up to me if I choose to void my warnity)

2. The particular company has to forfill it's promise that the device that I bought will get an unlocked bootloader.

then I don't think that I treat that company disrespectful and certainly I don't think that my compains are SPAMING. I think that it is the other way around.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eng.stk:
So any news about unlocking bootloader?

New devices like TF300 are being unlocked, Asus forgot about us?

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/asus-unlocks-tf300t-bootloaders-all-rejoice/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Thing O Doom:
Signed.

The hypocrisy of it all ticks me off, how they unlock every device BUT ours. I'll try a couple phone calls and see where it gets me tonight..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Once again Asus shows that it's only unlocking bootloaders to drive sale of new devices, and who the hell cares about those on old devices (which should buy new ones already, btw)?

Those who have already bought the old devices cannot un-buy them and get back their money, while new customers can choose to spend money on devices not made by Asus, so threats from them about not buying stuff poses a real threat to the company.

And so they unlock.

I guess I've learnt my lesson. Always research before buying. Ant don't ever buy something with locked bootloaders.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Thing O Doom:
Well, I bought getting a great deal on a still wonderful device, hoping that they'd unlock. The petition is at 197/200 now, I think we should spam push soon.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sbiriguda:
Signature #199 ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dark alex:
I was 197 haha^^

I contacted ASUS about this fact btw. Until now they did not say no - well they didn't answer at all for now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sbiriguda:
Just to clear things out: the SBK never

ever

leaves the SoC, it's loaded from an on-die OTPROM directly into the Tegra AES engine and then the bootloader uses the AES engine to perform all crypto operations involving the SBK. In fact, no piece of code running on the device (not even the APX loader) has any chance of reading the actual key, the only next-to-best available thing is the pre-seeded AES engine, but the bootloader clears it when it's done with APX mode.

There are two possible ways to close the "nvflash gap" between new and old units - three if NVIDIA screwed up the AES engine design:

the new SBK is leaked

assuming there is no tamper protection, someone busts open their SBKv2 TF101, decaps the SoC, scans it with an electron microscope, identifies the OTPROM and then "reads" the SBK one bit at a time from the image (the MacGyver approach :rolleyes:)

assuming NVIDIA made a major screw-up, someones manages to recover the key using a side-channel attack to the AES engine
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wingzero2085:
This would be interesting if not completely funny. Your explanation of the SBK had me wondering if there was a "manual" way of going about it ... :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sbiriguda:
That method is sometimes used to extract firmware/flashing keys from (way) simpler SoCs, but given Tegra2's complexity it would be a hell lot more complex, time consuming and error-prone.

If you're curious about the whole process for simpler SoCs, Travis Goodspeed's blog is one of the best references around the 'net ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Thing O Doom:
Hey, I have an SBKv2 and if ASUS refuses to unlock it, I will be 100% willing to open up my hardware and scan it, if I can get an educated person to help/walk me through it and the proper tools.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gideo:
I hope this petition is still open,because I just posted a link to my fb,and texted about 80 people with a link,then I read the first post....I excite to easily.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kenshin1388:
Signed it. I hope it gets unlocked, really don't want to have to worry about bricking my device.