yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Again... You got it completely wrong. And you try to teach me things that are obvious like that DHD does not have gyro. Keep in mind man that I have 15 years development background, 10 years linux including and some basic Android development even, so I'm not just another noob who states something without knowledge. So yes, since start I knew there's no gyro, and yes, I've seen working software sensor drivers, and yes, drivers are still present in ICS but altered the way that it check for gyro and if not found, it hides, and yes, I'm reading your posts very carefully, and yes, I did understand what you wanted to say, but you are mistaken man, and it's about time to simply agree.

PS. Elixir2 is using those sensors - displaying values which are correct according to rotation/gravity/linear acceleration IS using correctly working drivers even if you think it's stupid because "just watching them" isn't any usage. Yes it is, and it is the whole purpose of Elixir - to test the phone, to keep it running well, and much more. By the way, get Elixir, it's hell of an app (I know the dev, he's very ok). And about real purposes of linear acceleration for example is measuring inertia for wide variety of things, same about gravity, rotation is obvious.

PS2. Try to imagine how to convert three vectors into just one - for example you are interested in linear acceleration only forward. Or try to calculate gravit from three vectors of magnetic force BUT with the correction to "real north", not a magnetic one (you can read about it too), then try to think how the phone rotation can be calculated while phone is _constantly_ moving, so the accelerometers show not only gravity direction, but every part of the moving force too, so you have to disassemble it and still the movement direction isn't ok, because of the inertia rules and so on... You think it's not needed, I think that most of the devs do no have the basic physics knowledge to implement really good algorithms there. There was even a conference by google about all above problems when google stated they even have problems (while making steering pads of their phones for the consoles for example).

Ehh, enough of this, it's not a develpment thread. If you do not know something, then just say what you know, not more.

And that's all what I have to say about it. Read, ask, test, then come back, we'll talk again then.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
So exactly what it not working now? If we are just speculating that something might now work, maybe best to wait till we find an app that is not working. Maybe you should check if Elixir 2 is working correctly.

Since you have experience in development, why not build a mod, upload it and correct the problem for every ICS/JB ROM Developer on XDA. Or better yet build your own ROM.

It is not okay to go insulting Dev's. You basically just insulted "most" Android ROM developers.

The discussion here is getting really useless. Will just check back in a few days.
[Desire HD Android Development] Pegajoso:
Stock camera

Camera zoom

Enviado desde mi Inspire 4G usando Tapatalk 2
[Desire HD Android Development] poopsmith777:
Who lit the fuse on krzych's tampon? Sheesh
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
Not entirely true. The main hw drivers like camera, audio, sensors etc are all working properly. Check the logcats. Ics worked the hw differently to make way for the better. They didn't take any away from the experience.

You have to understand its more than just libs being in certain places. Hw has to do with a good bit of things like libs, kernel, ramdisk, smali, etc. I applaud Google for their advancements in 3D and 2D acceleration.

And as for the sign in on the browser, all its doing is syncing your bookmarks and such. It's not sending your info. I know there's been a few "f ups" with security, but honestly browser should be one of your last worries when it comes to that. You noticed I removed the Google and HTC Feedback apps? Those are what are malicious and those have been taken care of. If you don't believe me, read what the smali does in the browser app, you'll see its harmless.
[Desire HD Android Development] saru789:
You may beter check this one out while 3.2 is not released, i switched form blackout to this one cos it had same kernel but no sound issues u and i faced, but thanksfully, QD2DC and beta testers confirmed that its fixed in new beta. Gud luck with this new rom

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1843300
[Desire HD Android Development] woti23:
Nevertheless synching between devices should be opt-in, as chrome does, as firefox does, as dolphin does for example .... but probably that's only up to google to change it

i'm not on blackout on the moment but you can use "Logging Test App" (from xda deveolper TrevE) to look into what's left on loggers even after removing feedback apps.

just a few more:

Google Usage Logs in /data/system/usagestats

HTC Usage Logs in /data/system/appusagestats

Devlog in /devlog, written out by htc_ebdlogd

Dropbox (is not dropbox the cloud service!) Logs in /data/system/dropbox

UserBehavior DB

AppUsage UI

HTC Checkin DB

Google Checkin DB

HTC Report Agent
[Desire HD Android Development] chronaden:
Will WiFi-Hotspot be fixed in release 3.2?

Also, can you comment on what the problem is getting this feature to work? - Kinda a must-have in life. :)
[Desire HD Android Development] taychoi:
Help. Replay host pot on/off when wifi on
[Desire HD Android Development] todortk:
As far as I know - No, it won't work. I need it badly sometimes, too.

Also I tried several external programs from the market like foxFi and none of them worked, too.

Hope that it will get fixed some day.

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The Stock camera has two modes - 4:3 or widescreen. When in widescreen and 8MP quality is selected, in fact you get 6MP. You must be in 4:3 mode to shoot in 8MP quality. This is true for the other *MP in the menu.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Yup youre right.
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
@todortk, @bobix86

Quoting such big posts

entirely

, including such big pictures... You aren't very bright, aren't you ?

Of course, it doesn't matter for you that this is a forum about mobile devices and some of the users are using their mobile connections (limited data plan, dooh) to acces it. Besides thousands of useless posts, this is what we were missing.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
It does matter, but since i'm on wi-fi and don't feel any impact, i tend to forget. Soz.

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Yeah but he was talking about the software drivers, i clearly stated, based on the cite he posted from google, software drivers could be detected (only detected) by Elixir2, didn't serve any other purpose because from the cite "All three of these sensors rely on a gyroscope: if a device does not have a gyroscope, these sensors do not show up and are not available for use." Which would also indicate that because they rely on the gyroscope, they couldn't calculate any kind of data on our devices and he stubbornly keeps saying they could. And i'm just waiting for a dev to tell me i'm wrong because that would mean i don't have any common sense at all.

EDIT:

Oh wait, they we're "updated" to use a device's gyroscope, woah then it seems i missed a part,sorry man, then it seems they we're using accellerometer b4, my mistake (guess i was the one confused), ok won't pursue this matter anymore. And sorry.

This is what misled me, u said gyro, and while newer devices have gyro and ours don't it confused me.
[Desire HD Android Development] prospect565:
due to the distortion and all the problems i have to switch to another rom for the time being but i'll wait for the v3.2 and will give that a try for sure because beside the noise issue this rom is just perfect and i am unable to find ANY good stable ICS rom on XDA :(
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
I understand your point as a rommaker, but you would have to write an app which would like to use the drivers to check it out actually. I wont pursue this further as I talked today with very experienced Android dev who stated that this probably will not cause much havoc (even that I was right that it could), as most of the devs uses methods which try to "locate the best way to calculate things" whether there is a driver or not - he suspects that the libs itself has the algos too - that's his statement, but he didn't looked very convinced when saying this, heheheh :D

Stop it :) You don't know what I know :). And as I respect you much, I will simply ignore that you didn't asked first :D. I'm a dev, I rarely say something what I'm not sure, and if I do, I always say that I'm not sure :D

I know the topic very well (as well as it's known for the ppl interested - logging test app by treve and so on). I did use PDroid and LBE to check by myself what tries to spy and with which data etc., so yes, I know browser wasn't worst nightmare but you should know too, that you will never notice when it starts to trade info if you won't test it by the http level at least _every_ release, and I suppose you have no time for such tests, so I am interested to find any differences when something new happens. So far as a user, without messing with http logging as I do not like this job too :D.

No problem man, you don't have to be a dev. Just listen to the devs ;) (yep, how should you know ;) - but now you know)

PS. About the test version of the rom itself - I still have drain issues which are giant spikes (100mA to even 300mA while sleeping - it occurs even while charging that mA goes negative! - which means charger doesn't have enough current to serve) with quite long time (parts of minutes), and I still didn't find out what causes this, whether the pass, or the rom - I had similar situation very long time ago with LeeDroid rom, and never found an app which did it, so I suspect it was rom because after LeeDroid I've had Virtutous Affinity which was performing very well - but I do not state anything yet - it's too early. It may be something what appears after many apps installed, but it may be an app too.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
I get lag spikes, was blaming it on flexnet untill i read about it, but it could be any app as you say it (or the rom) happened last night and couldn't report as we had electricity cut out.

EDIT: The rom IS running smooth now so it was probably an app.

Having said that, if the devs agree (or had enough time to implement the tweaks), i see no reason for delaying the update, testing proved that 3.2 is stable enough for release, and with many users not satisfied with sound on 3.1.0, i think they'll be more than wellcoming.
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
Oh so I'm not experienced huh.

Look the fact is that your getting concerned over things that you shouldn't. Like sound popping. You do realize I used the codecs from htc's sense 3.0 desire hd build right? Meaning if you didn't have those problems on gb, you won't now either. But then again I'm not experienced enough to be right
[Desire HD Android Development] AMIR-TUTU:
GUYS WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL me where is the mikenif ?:eek:

we/i missed him ?:eek:
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
How about we all agree to just ignore krzych. People come to this thread now to find out about Beta 2, and that is getting derailed by all the discussions. I am sure one day krzych will develop a super ROM and earn the title Recognized Developer under his name. Until than, he is just a senior member blowing a lot of smoke. Hey, I have been here two months and I am a senior member too :p

Going back to the ROM, from the useful feedback that you have to dig and dig through to find out says that we are limited to the two issues of:

a) WiFi Hotpsot - Looking at other ROM's this seems to be a Sense 3.6/DHD issue.

b) Headset buttons - This is a known ICS issue.

Questions:

Has any Beta 2 tester found some app or hardware that does not work?

Can anyone give me any info on the location of config files used for the hotspot?

TIA
[Desire HD Android Development] soleil10:
Who said the headset function is ics related issue? It maybe a sense related one. I found that headset works well in xgs (ics) rom.
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
The buttons work? For answering calls and such?
[Desire HD Android Development] cstayton:
mikenif (like the rest of us) has a job to contend with, I myself have been absent due to work. unfortunatley that leaves Q and the others to pick up our slack.

My apologies to the members and to the rest of the Team for my absense (yes i mispelled it on purpose, pun intended) but hopefully in the next couple of days i'll be able to bet back into the swing of things.
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
I still believe that Sync On/Off on Quick Settings and rearrangeable QS would be a nice addition.
[Desire HD Android Development] QD2DC:
Stop...No apologies needed. That's the point of the Team, we all pick up the slack where needed. If we didn't get along then we wouldn't be a team in the first place, who wants to do someone else's work if there not friends to begin with?
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
OT: This is not Blackout feedback but on ICS/JB ROM's I have used.

Depending on the application and the ROM (both AOKP and Sense) I can get partial functionality on the wired headset. Play/Pause for music usually works. Sometimes forward to next track (but not back). Two music players on the same ROM can have different levels of functionality.

As for calls, with some I can answer calls using the wired headset button but cannot adjust the volume.
[Desire HD Android Development] Cashreedhar:
This should not be a response to his great work.. though he is not developing, but he is definitely adding values by lot of analysis by his own work. His intention was not to criticize anyone's work, instead to help for a perfect ROM.. he is not just justifying everything, rather figuring out all the problems and the possible causes.. plz respect his help to all of us instead of commenting like this...problems are not solved just by telling it can't be done. No hard feelings...just a thought :)
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I would agree with you once he points out a problem that needs solving. We can of course ask the Dev's to remove Google apps from the Blackout ROM, modify the Android Browser not to log in and ask the Dev's to return the software drivers and revert to a Gingerbread style system.

This project was supposed to be about porting a HTC type ICS ROM to the DHD.

If we want a none Sense/HTC type ROM maybe we should be looking at AOKP ROM's instead.

If we don't like ICS structure, there are plenty of fine Gingerbread ROM's around.

As for not criticizing anyone, he said most Dev's do not have a basic knowledge of physics. Well I guess that is not criticism.

So what is it that I should not say cannot be done. Build a completely different ROM? Go ahead. But that is not the point of the Beta. Those of us waiting for useful feedback hope that you guys do a beta test, and not try to figure out what Android 5.0 should be like.

In the end what is the point of the entire discussion? You are on Beta 2, what do you advice be fixed?

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by Ice Cold Sandwich 8.7
[Desire HD Android Development] Reb3llious:
I can't wait to do more.

Now one month has passed since the last update

So, when you upload a new version of the ROM???:(
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
A new version will be out around Christmas. Come back here then.
[Desire HD Android Development] QD2DC:
When we feel like it...simple as that, and not a day sooner.
[Desire HD Android Development] soleil10:
Yes, can answer the call and play music with buttons on headset. Rechecked before writing the message.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Everything fully functional or some functions don't work? Like volume adjustments or next and previous tracks. I get different degrees of functionality, but never full functionality.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by Ice Cold Sandwich 8.7
[Desire HD Android Development] Reb3llious:
oh my GOD

Christmas??????:(
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
Yes, Christmas of 2013.

Trust me, it's worth waiting for it. It would be a port from HTC Idiot

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[Desire HD Android Development] rdub504:
And if you inform the developers that you celebrate or recognize other holidays like Hanukkah or kwanzaa,you may get a pm,of the super top secret version set for a 2015 release.its a port from the "HTC idontread" running on android jello pudding!geez! from every page this month its pretty obvious the testing has gone well and will wrap up soon enough,and if you type eta in the search field or press back, It would tell you not to ask for them! I'm just saying? Your sad for what? someone is going to make your old phone new again,seems like that would be worth the wait!
[Desire HD Android Development] snooffy:
A bit of patience never killed anybody, right? If you can't wait just try a different ROM in the mean time.

Keep checking...
[Desire HD Android Development] Cashreedhar:
After using for more than 2 days here are my feedbacks:

1. Everything has been good including the battery backup and cool aroma installer.

2. I feel the touch sensitivity of the home screen needs little more optimization. In all apps and drawer its been very good, but when I press and hold on home screens or icons on home screen it swypes the page a little than showing options.

3. After reaching around 15% battery drains superfast. It ended in 6min when I was on fb and HSDPA on.

4. Camera looks like gingerbread, and the photo quality doesn't look like 8mp. In low light very difficult to take pics. And lacks functions like panorama and HDR. Colour of the photos are not that impressive. Initially I thought its okay, but after running sense 3(ADHD 6.3) and sense 4(virtuos) realized this.

5. Performance is not as fast as the first day.. might be because of many apps.. but to be honest I don't have any games except angry birds and temple run. I had less free RAM many times while on apps like fb also.

6. Faced black screens few times even while opening contacts. Might be because of less free ram. But never had random reboot.

7. Today supercharged the ROM with v6 supercharger. after that observed titanium backup FC's. Uninstalled and tried to install again, it says not enough memory, uninstall few apps. I had around 700mb free. Tried rebooting wiping cache and delvik. Again same error. Might be because its the problem with supercharger too.

8. Never had any other app force close. But observed few times when I click on the power button to unlock the phone lock screen doesn't show wallpaper and after few seconds it does

9. As I mentioned before, SRS doesn't sound original. In arhd it sounds different. Might be this one is right :)

Good thing bout this ROM is that my phone is not getting heated..no random reboots, BT works like stock, camera as no fc issues are freezing issues. I use the ROM for daily use..I'm happy with this.. above points are just improve the next version when it comes.

Hope all this feedback helps.. thought of giving a complete feedback after using for enough time..and now did it :)

Thanks a million to the great developers for all their efforts on this ROM..yes the above are few points on beta..but not found any this perfect ROM out there which says complete ROM...
[Desire HD Android Development] Simonekl:
: Good:: Good:: Good:: Good:
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
5. Performance keeps getting high and low for me, still it rarely slows down and mostly runs exactly like first day (supersmooth).

6. Never faced a black screen when opening contacts.

7. Not entirely sure but titanium backup did FC, only unsure if it was on 3.2 alpha or beta, but i'm preety convinced it was beta (test2).

8. Wallpaper on lockscreen allways showed up (don't know how you got those probs man).

Everything else is about the same as i would say, give or take something.
[Desire HD Android Development] Gizmoe:
Users have been taking the fun out of deving this ROM I'm sure. Its a hobby and hobbies are done on your own schedule and time. I lurk in this thread and so many people keep asking for eta. I would have shut it down by now if I was developing this. Especially after that guy who was bashing on the devs and bragging about how experienced of a developer he is even though he hasn't done any android stuff. People need to chill and let whatever happens happen.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Devs are relaxed at least i think (which is good otherwise it would impact developing), as for krzych, i think noone has that much against him for analyzing, but he needs to analyze relevant things (i'm sure his methods are not the issue) that's all (would also stop braggin if i was him cause this is not a place to brag but test,report and discuss relevant things for this rom,and trust the team blackout devs for they are the ones bringing the rom to us).

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Oh and forgot to mention, didn't change the wallpaper since i flashed the rom (only once or twice for testing purpose but quickly changed back).

Love the blackout wallpaper too much, my nick bobix (B) :P.

Anyway i will try multiple times with different walls and report.
[Desire HD Android Development] exup86:
this rom is very original...eagerly wait for the new version ;) :good:
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Report

On lockscreen wallpaper issue, everything normall (tryed with some wallpapers and all live wallpapers) wallpaper allways shows for me.

Another allready mentioned issue is no sound on weather lockscreen, confirmed now, have sound effects on in weather and set to weather in lockscreen style, no sound, despite the sound working in weather app.
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
As this is very simple provocation I won't answer this. But may I ask which part of the things I wrote would potentially insult "most" of the Android ROM developers? And what do you exactly understand as a ROM - AOSP, HTC, a mod, or...?

Never said that. Check it back if you want. Moreover, the fact you did it with the whole team is proving you are experienced much more than others trying and believe me, I know the history of ICS on DHD. So maybe you are insulting me suggesting that I am not grateful...?

I'm concerned at the things I use. And no, it's not enough to have old working drivers as drivers operates on the linux layer level - over this are the Java libraries (three of them) which are responsible for decoding chinks of the data and serving them to the driver, and that's the whole crappy part of Android sound. Here is the nice article stating few interesting things. It may be outdated partially, but I do not believe it's outdated much as Google does not advance very quickly beneath the GUI.

Another provocation. Why don't you say something useful for a change?

In sum, as I'm not liked here because I can find too much, I'm not going to say anything more I've found. I will behave like most of the users, just asking questions to gain the knowledge instead sharing it with you, as I see that sharing gets you aggresive :(. I apologise anyone that I made sad/angry/anything_bad as I did not intend to cause anything like this - I just wanted to reveal even more about overall ICS behavior. As I stated many times, ICS bugs has practically nothing in common with Team Blackout's work (which I even proven), so I do not understand all those accusations, but I agree to be passive here not to be accused more of this imaginated behaviors.

Again, my apologies to all.