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[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
To put more oil to the fire... ;)

Then compare 2.4 to 3.*. It's not.

Yes, it is. As HTC fixes many things that are brokne not only in the Android base (touch signals in ntification is best example which wasn't originally present in gingerbread as a positional, but only "by whole notification" - google it - only sense roms could do better as far as I know - test with Elixir Widgets). Not sure how much and what was "fixed" (read: changed to fulfill the wishes of the device) in Sense kernels, but I can bet that quite much. No AOSP kernel can deal with camera (only shipped with AOSP works, no other apps can do, and on Sense all works fine) for example. Those are drivers, still not sure how much inside the kernel, and how much outside, but who really cares, it differs enough.

Great "sense" of humour, because if your definition of the kernel is without all the drivers that ANY linux kernel has INSIDE, then your defined kernel is of NO USE - try to set up a system with a kernel when you set all flags to exclude ALL drivers. You just try to be a demagogue here.

You would be astonished how many ppl here knows maybe even more than you about it, so be careful throwing a glove :)

It is. Only linux similarities (strong) are at the kernel level + some shell "looking likeies", but even Android tar is different and has only same format and few commands. Do not assume, just set up sshd, log in and check, then claim.

I'm also NDK (native c++) dev, starting but still - even really basic things like forkpty are *unimplemented* at the linux level, so for example if you want to make any ssh, su or similar tool, you will have to use uClibc instead of default "bionic" libc inside of Android. Not mentioning how much other things work "made by Google"...

The whole Android starts above, with dalvik, but the bare linux is of no use really here. It looks like kernel with some daemons (gpsd and similar) without any functionality. So no, it's completely different than real linux distro. And not very funny as Linux :D
[Desire HD Android Development] Pop Tarantula:
Ladies! Please put your handbags down....
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
I'm starting to love your punchlines :D
[Desire HD Android Development] Cashreedhar:
Omg...lot of information here...was reading last few pages as its Friday night...feeling overknowledged...lol.

I think I should try publishing a book with these info and should pay royalty to all those sharing knowledge here :D
[Desire HD Android Development] 4oohz:
update is coming ?
[Desire HD Android Development] Daz555:
Winter is coming.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
To diverge a bit from offtopic and list some bugs that i tought would be "self-debugged over time" ;) .

-Problems with not updating facebook pics in people app still persist (my case, didn't see anyone else report it) (stock gb rom did allot better on this one not sure what's causing this);

-magic battery spikes still happen (did not test virtuous kernel as advised (god when am i gonna remember to do nand));

Won't list others as those are/will be fixed in next beta/final these are just ones that i tought might "get" fixed in time.

As for rom itself, i'll just repeat that it's amazingly stable, smooth and i don't plan on going to another (read, i don't wanna make a crap out of my phone with unstable roms).

Edit: Forget about the people issue, it seems i was a bit impatient and didn't give the app enough time to update properly, left it a bit more in background and it updated the pics. :) Sorry for bringing that up (if i didn't tough i might have not tryed again).
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
The back of my hand is coming
[Desire HD Android Development] QD2DC:
LOL
[Desire HD Android Development] saru789:
I agree with you, here is a proof i collected to support what you have said :)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/196595/how_to_install_android_on_your_iphone.html
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Irrelevant. And there should be a punishment of death for installing android on isomething.
[Desire HD Android Development] Muikkuman:
Why? Maybe the IPhone user found out how much IOS sucks and can't afford a new android phone. So they install awesome android in their Iphone?
[Desire HD Android Development] steviewonders:
An iphone running android would be pretty sweet. I really hate apple but there's no denying that their retina displays are the best on the market.
[Desire HD Android Development] tonylee000:
Their retina displays are not the best on the market, theres a few phone out now with better displays, latest is htc j butterfly

I really dont get why you would want to put android on an iphone, iphone hardware is really not that good spec wise.
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
And desire hd is? As much as I hate apple products, ics would be amazing for the 4, 4s, or 5. I would dev for it for sure. The fact is that IOS compared to android sucks and normal iPhone users will never know that because they go with the "consumers choice" (they buy it because everyone else is). If there's a way to install a fully working android os on an iPhone, users will understand how scrappy iOS is and buy an android phone next time.

I'd say let's get back on topic, but I'm kinda fueling the fire right now..
[Desire HD Android Development] tonylee000:
Display on the dhd is pretty poor tbf, when.its sat next to an sgs2 for example.

Fair point, if a fully working version of android could be developed for an iphone then there could be a genuine comparison between the two.

Has a decision been made between inc/sen/both?
[Desire HD Android Development] steviewonders:
I used to have an S2 before i lost it. The colours are a lot brighter but it's terrible with any glare on it.
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Let them live in pain! Stupidity can be cured only by pain ;)

PS. Guys, don't be so deadly serious :D
[Desire HD Android Development] tonylee000:
The colours are much richer and the contrast is far far beter, much blacker blacks. Just ordered a Note 2! Cant wait
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Anyone can tell me what the hell that DRM Protected Content Manager is?

Every time I get out of the "drive" mode of my USB, this crap is using up my CPU. And not only then.

Is this connected to "medai scanning"? Will "media scanning" work if I disable DRM crap? Do I really need DRM crap for anything?
[Desire HD Android Development] Gizmoe:
Digital rights management. It's so you can use the protected content you have.
[Desire HD Android Development] chrisz5z:
You can dual boot android on older iPhones, see here--> http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/Status

Not the best performance but it works
[Desire HD Android Development] killersloth:
What's that about aosp kernel and only the stock camera app working on it? That's not true at all lol.

Back to the topic here: I could really go for a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich, but I only eat the Honey roast crunchy kind. On my Ritz crackers I HAVE to use creamy though. And like, wooah, been really rainy around here lately. Strange for end of October weather.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Bacon
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
A simple "this thread is getting derailed fast" would do, but I'm glad you shared your life story. I can finally sleep now :P
[Desire HD Android Development] tonylee000:
Im not asking for an eta, ive just ordered a note2 which i will enjoy come tuesday so makes little difference to me, what i am interested in is the programming side of things, i understand you (awesome) guys have been testing two different bases and have all the known bugs ironed out, wifi hot spot and headset button excluded, what are you guys working on now?
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
One question.

Saw the com.htc.pen process and a couple more pen related processes,anyone could try and confirm htc flyer or other pen can actually be used?

Would be nice to know i could use it if i for some reason obtain it in the future :) .
[Desire HD Android Development] steviewonders:
Anyone know how well the lordmodUE kernel works with this ROM? I'd like to oc a little and i think this kernel allows it.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
If I am not mistaken, that is a AOSP/AOKP kernel... meaning it won't work with Sense ROM's.
[Desire HD Android Development] steviewonders:
How about lordmodNC? Would that work well with this ROM?
[Desire HD Android Development] Gizmoe:
Those kernels are gb based. I don't think he has made any ics sense kernels.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Would anybody be interested in testing a "performance" oriented smartassV2 script. The ones I have created so far are designed to be more conservative than default.

1.2 GHz top clock speed with the governor being tweaked to be more aggressive.

So, any takers? :D

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by aospX 1.0.0-MR1
[Desire HD Android Development] ServeTT:
And what about bases - incS or SenXL ?? Or both? Can't wait my Skype will work)))
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I think the last word is the Team might release both and that would be the last release.

It's would be nice to see Sense 3.6 ROM development continue though. Sense 3.6 really runs nicely on the DHD. It compares well with the speed lighter AOSP/AOKP ROM's.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by aospX 1.0.0-MR1
[Desire HD Android Development] ricc@rd:
I don't think that version 3.2 will be the last sense 3.6 rom for DHD. Sense 3.6 ROMS will continue to become more stable in time. Blackout Team will continue to improve his excellent rom (maybe adding more tweaks and fixing the latest bugs). And we all know that - sooner or later - max1986 will have a surprise for us, and it will probably be a sense 3.6 ARHD rom, as the official htc update promised.

The fact is that many users, including me, prefer sense 3.6 to sense 4.0/4.1. It offers features that are more usable in our "previous generation" device, and features that are even not available in sense 4.0/4.1, like Dolby, SRS, and recent apps in the notification menu (all things that I consider very useful in a DHD).

We just have to wait :D
[Desire HD Android Development] bobyracer2:
hey guys devs or someone else could take a look at this :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=30627334

i have the sam problem.. ran since 2 years different roms and now i flashed blackout 3.1 rebooted used a little bit and my touch screen isnt working anymore... is this a rom related problem or my digitizer is really broken! ???? THANKS

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yep i can confirm my screen its fooked!!! ;)
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Sorry man, never heard of this issue (quite new here so that will be the reason :) ), according to the thread you might have to get the service to unfook it ;) .

(omg i don't know if it's my timing or what but i keep getting to the top of new page (maybe the thread likes meh ;) )).
[Desire HD Android Development] putti71:
Ok I'm very sorry, but I got to ask for ETA, since I am selling one DHD on eBay on next sunday and I want to know if I sm lucky to put the newest update of blackout on it or current one?

Sorry guys for my impatience!
[Desire HD Android Development] Gizmoe:
You won't get an eta as stated many times over. However I suggest if you are selling it on eBay just put a stock Rom with s off and root and let them flash a different Rom if they want. That way everything works the way it should when they get it and can't say you sold them a broken device. Most people aren't into all the flashing stuff anyways. Just my two cents.
[Desire HD Android Development] pcusim:
I agree. Moreover, i would restore s-on and flash a stock RUU. If the buyer wants to root it then he will easily do it by aahk in 5 minutes.
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Any proofs? Check Dailyroads Voyager application. Then, come back and deal with me.

LOL! Is unfooking available at the service only? I would like to unfook mine too! :D

Just for the sake:

in /etc/init.d/04modules there is:

#Cleanup errant log files more than 7 days old

find /devlog -mtime +7 -type f -exec rm -rf {} \;

I would rather set it up in separate init script (because for example my person will erase this every new flash, hahahah :) - I like to have control over my logs ;) ).

and rm /cache/download/downloadfile*.apk >/dev/null 2>&1 is twice in:

1. /etc/init.d/05mountsd

2. /etc/init.d/06mountdl

:)

There's a strange behavior on PackageManager from cmd too like:

# pm

Segmentation fault

#

But when I run it from the Java application (mine of course), it runs very well installing/uninstalling/freezing and so on, so it's functioning somehow... I do not know really why with shell it gets derailed.

Test2 is still working here, no problems with SD after boot, but I fear to go into recovery, hahahahah :D I joust won't until test3 or release will be available :D
[Desire HD Android Development] killersloth:
Okay, lol

And for the record, you said AOSP, not AOSP for dhd, or AOSP android 4.0+ for dhd. I'm sure it works fine on CM7 for dhd ;)

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[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
Hah. I got the same coffee cup from spencers
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
I removed the HTC signature checks in the package manager so maybe that's why
[Desire HD Android Development] cstayton:
if you dont want to clean your logs up just delete that part of the script, no biggie or change the number of days back that the script looks for,

as far as the two other scripts those have been around and been used since early GB, possibly dont need them at all in ICS
[Desire HD Android Development] prospect565:
is there an alternate kernal for fixing the sound distortion? if yes, which one is it?
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Just to let you know, we are still here, patiently waiting :fingers-crossed:
[Desire HD Android Development] bobyracer2:
no dev who can respond to me?? please!
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Well, its not ROM related. But just in case you has a bad flash, do you have a Nandroid backup?
[Desire HD Android Development] cstayton:
If you can't use the touch screen in any capacity (i.e. within recovery or within ROM) it is not ROM Specific, the only time I have ever had the touch screen not respond within recovery it was related to faulty hardware in other words replace you digitizer/touch creen they sell for around $50 to $80 on ebay depending on the seller.

P.S. If you have shaky hands you may want to consider having a mobile tech do the work for you as replacing the digitizer can be somewhat tedious. and involves extremely small screws and connectors.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobyracer2:
Thank You very much for the response... yes i have the problem in recovery too, and i already flashed a olod recovery without touch and i also flashed arhd ... but nothing changed... i will send it to the service thanks guys.. but also its very strange that more than 3 people had this problem after they flashed ur rom! ;)
[Desire HD Android Development] Pop Tarantula:
Cool! It seems the 'NUKE' feature of v3.2 is up & running.. nice work :cool: Let that be a lesson not to p1$$ off Team Blackout or they'll simply send a kill signal OTA & brick your DHD's digitizer..... You have been warned.....................
[Desire HD Android Development] prospect565:
is there a solution to the distortion of the sound, i wanna flash the rom again but not sure if there is a fix for it or not? please confirm!!!
[Desire HD Android Development] killersloth:
Maybe if you ask this question a few more times you'll get an answer. Maybe you need to post it twice on the same page instead of posting it once on every page.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Bacon
[Desire HD Android Development] Cashreedhar:
Before losing the hope remove battery, reinsert press power and volume down button and go to recovery..do a full wipe using the manual keys(volume up down and power button).. install the ROM again..wait to boot and try...there are such possibilities while flashing the ROM your fate plays mate.. ;)

All the best
[Desire HD Android Development] vadimo:
installing

can someone please confirm below steps are correct to install this ROM?

1. full wipe

2. flash Blackout_BeastMode_v3.0.zip

3. flash Blackout_ICS_Incredible_v3.1.0.zip

Want to try this release over revolutions 7.0.0

Thanks
[Desire HD Android Development] reaper90:
no need for ur second step, just do a full wipe and then flash V3.1.0. i think u have to chose full wipe in aroma again, and UNCHECK auto reboot after installation and reboot manually after flashing process.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobyracer2:
already tried.. nothing to do... istalled RUU.. and will send it to service! ;)
[Desire HD Android Development] Pegajoso:
Claro, los devs estan trabajando para corregir este bug que tiene el rom, lo único que toca es esperar a que liberen las actualización que corrije el sonido metalico.

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[Desire HD Android Development] scuarapopas:
When the update is foreseen?
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
A gypsy fortuneteller is the best solution for your issue sir.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I just wanted to thank Team Blackout for allowing me to post my files on this thread... but I have been yearning for my own little home on XDA so I have opened up a thread for my tweaks.

Thanks again :fingers-crossed:
[Desire HD Android Development] prospect565:
Maybe u should reply once so that i don't post again
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Maaaaaaan, if I would mean the old gingerbread crap, you would notice that ;P We are in 4.* DHD thread ;P So mission failed! ;P

I've got "same" pistol :D (but mine is pneumatic, dunno about his ;) )

Would be nice to fix it as I cannot test pm behavior from shell and I need it as I develop another backup tool ;) (along with fw)

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Ah, forgot to report - someone asked me (possibly sbryan) that my bluetooth works well...

Well...

Yes, it works, but as soon as I turn it off, bluetoothd eats up my whole CPU for the infinite time (until next turning on), and if I kill it, then all is ok but...

But... as someone calls me after kill, phone just dies :D (black screen, no power reaction).

So yes, bluetooth is buggy in test2.
[Desire HD Android Development] AgentCain:
The sound issue is fixed with the newest ROM release. Just wait for Blackout ICS 3.2 as I am doing.
[Desire HD Android Development] pshdo:
How can a rom claim "fully working" and at the same time have a "not working" list with items on it ??

That make no sense...;)

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[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Woah, you're a slow sheriff. someone take that pistol away from him, reason: slow reaction time :P

EDIT: Not to mention his confession about killing the CPU :eek: and you're wondering why your phone died?

Just ask HTC for their "sense" when they deprived everyone of ics in favor of a "crap" device to "boost" their sales (read: these things should be non-biatchable).
[Desire HD Android Development] atrako1973:
The Rom is ready to take as daily as it is if you need text ,call,Wi-Fi,internet ,3g, camera, and more it's fully working yes .because that's what you need as daily driver ,anything else is a bonus and it's free! With nearly monthly updates .

Thank you devs

Fyi HTC released its ics update for incredible s with non working Bluetooth , even HTC corporation can't do fully working,give devs break mate
[Desire HD Android Development] AgentCain:
He's got a point. A more suitable description would be battle-ready or basically functional. Fully working means that every single possible thing has been debugged and working in its full potentials, not optimally but it works.

Many roms use various titles such as HQ, battery efficient, smooth, fast etc just to attract the user's attention.

And under the description you can usually see "Based on Blackout kernel" :p
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
This is an old issue, which has been discussed before. AFAIK, there are two other ROM's with the words "Fully Working" in their description, and while they are good ROM's too, they are just about as fully working as this one.

Let's just call it poetic license, and be done with it.
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
Many people don't realize HTC releases builds that aren't fully working. Yet we fix it so that it is, but we never claim fully working. In all honesty, roms will never fully work. There's always going to be hiccups and random bugs. The biggest thing is embracing that this is probably the best you'll get when it comes to an official "unofficial release".
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
It's not just HTC. Operating systems by nature will always have some bug or other, and will be patched, and patched and patched.

If it works well enough it works.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by aospX 1.0.0-MR1
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Yup, the blackout rom (talking about v3.2 as v3.1 was nice but it had the sound issue that kinda annoyed me) is a beast ready to chew down a bunch of other ics sense roms out there (don't take it personally i haven't tryed those i'm only speaking based on what i read so far), and i'm preety much convinced when it goes out of beta loads of ppl will keep it as a daily driver (that's how much stable it is). Untill then, only a few of us with test versions and the devs will have the blissfull knowledge why it's such a great rom.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
@bobix86

Me I try a whole bunch of ROM's, even if just for a few hours sometimes. Sense 3.5 (on a device where it is fully working) was the most powerful version of Sense. I take a look at Sense 4 ROM's in part to see whether my next phone will be an HTC. Sense 4.x is really an effort to simplify Sense for the average consumer. Inspired by Samsung, if you ask me. The main advantage of Sense 4 is really just more resizable widgets as it is built around ICS. You do loose functionality in Friend Stream, and Peep is gone.

With full flat widgets, I don't really understand why Full Sense 4 is heavier in terms of system requirements. It can keep less apps stored in the memory which adversely affects multi-tasking. And I don't understand why HTC had to change the task switcher, which is the best feature of ICS, in my opinion.

I figure after Sense 3.6 on this phone (contract up in 3 months), I would just go with vanilla Android. Right now I am seeing if I can happily live with aosp, as you can see from my sig.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by aospX 1.0.0-MR1
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Only thing that would dare me to even try another rom is if the kernel supported something i need (allready contacted devs about it) so far no ics kernels support it so i see no reason of going to another rom when this one allready has everything else i need (sense included).
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I try the ROM's in weekends or holidays, on flash my Nandroid backup on Sunday night.

Mainly, just to see what's around. I enjoy it less and less with time.

Right now, I have two downloaded ROM's in my Mac that I have not flashed. Actually. I am not sure I ever will :)

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by aospX 1.0.0-MR1
[Desire HD Android Development] AMIR-TUTU:
hi i swear this isnt an eta !!:p

but are we close to the new update and release ?

dont get nervous and stress for deving;)

thank dear americans:good: