yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I did spend five years teaching. The governor tweaks, well I learned that here, from LeeDroid and many others. I am not above copying :)

As for beta testing, I think there are more qualified persons. I would be happy enough to get it at the same time as everyone else.
[Desire HD Android Development] todortk:
I have been following this thread for more than a month now and I can't understand one thing:

in the last 150 pages there are six kinds of posts:

1. People asking or complaining about sound quality issues. Most of them quite the same. The few real answers and patches have been buried in the thread long ago. Most answers say "will be fixed in update".

2. People asking about battery life and governors. They are answered to change the governor and usually it triggers one and the same discussion about cpu management programs, settings, preserving over booting and so on. Some say that the governor is fixed in update.

3. People asking about when will be the next update.(which is very reasonable if the two major issues concerning this rom are answered that they are fixed in the update)

4. People replying to anyone asking for update estimate, that they must never ask, because it is bad.

5. People asking about Wifi hotspot keyboard and other more rarely used features. They either don't get answered or the answers are buried in the thread very fast by the previious kinds of posts.

6. People saying "thank you" - although it is very kind and polite, there is no useful information in these posts. It is better to press the thanks button than to fill up the thread.

In fact the useful and new information in this thread comes to be less and lesser.

My suggestion is :

Make the first post sticky so is shows on each page.

Make a FAQ/Bugs section - what is wrong in the current version, on which issues the developers are currently working on and when is the next release estimated to happen. If any of the issues have workarounds state or link them. Also if there are preferred settings/radio version/any other which work best with this ROM.

Periodically delete any posts that ask or reply the same questions. (I hope that when there is a FAQ section they will be only few of these a week)

In my opinion doing this will reduce the posts in this thread more than ten times an make the life easier for both developers and users.
[Desire HD Android Development] Gizmoe:
Devs and mods alike don't want people asking when an update is. And since this is all free and a development forum I find it inappropriate. They are working to bring you a better experience, but give them time. When it is ready it will be ready. You don't want them just to release because of pressure and then not be fixed. Or if they give a time and don't meet it then you feel let down and they feel bad.
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
I can say only one thing: WHY don't you ask HTC about NEXT UPDATE?!?

It's THEM who owe you, not the devs here. Devs here are 10000 times FASTER than HTC and you are STILL unsatisfied.

Then go whine to HTC!

Thats all :).

And to make this post more usable, and info about my two hangups - those are gone. Never occured again, and funny, coz I didn't change anything, rom just setteld down. As with battery. MAGIC :D
[Desire HD Android Development] todortk:
Look, I am a developer, too. And I work with clients. And the clients always want their bugs fixed as soon as possible. No one cares about extensive testing or lack of resources. That is the way the clients are. And it is kind of OK.

No one here owes me an update or anything. I use this ROM for free and I accept that I get it "As Is".

But I have the right to ask if/when is next update (and yes the devs have the right not to answer) and I have the right to post an issue when I have problem (and ok it may never get resolved).

And my point is that instead of having to ask the same thing over and over (there are hundreds of posts asking when is the update and hundred of posts discussing the same issues) the info is given to us at easy to view place.

People here often say "search and read", but if you search for some common issue, you will get hundreds of records (most of them stating "I have the same problem please give me solution update")

And although it will need some dev time to update the info, it will be deffinitely less than the time needed to check hundreds of posts most of them saying the same things
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
Seems that you are a dev very short time. When you will get older, you will get the point. And no, customer behavior in your description is not ok. Moreover, your project manager sucks if this is the way your company works. PM's responsibility is to make customer want to development to be slower to gain stability of the app.

The above is contradicted by the below:

No, you have NO right. You haven't ANY right here. The only and ONLY a good will of the devs here gives you the responses, updates, fixes or anything. THE GOOD WILL, not THE RIGHT.

And yes, it's good to post a bug report, but no, this is not good to ask WHEN it will be fixed. You can ask IF anyone will fix it but not when considering a good will and good behavior.

If someone is bad behaving, it's not the reason to act. We can simply ignore bad behavior, and I was (until those posts). But since I care about this rom, and do not want ANYONE to make devs angry, I amd acting right now.

And to the point - if you are so eager to see a place like bugzilla then it's quite easy - set it up, become an admin and ALL will be grateful to you, but DO NOT expect _someone_ will do it for you. Do it yourself or stop whining!

Get used to "search" functionality. Get used to forum rules. If you ask about something which is unusual, I bet someone will help you and noone will shout on you, but if you ask the same questions that were answered million times, you're a... you know.

Sorry, no mercy.
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
Don't botter, you're not the first one (one, two, three).

The first 4000 posts were haunted by the questions about how to install this ROM. Now that that thing is clear, people moved on. They now want updates, govenors, WiFi Hotspot and stuff like that. Give them time, things will settle. People will keep learning (right...) (Roberto_Lim will take his time with them, among other usefull thigs he does around here), will evolve (and the ROM too, fortunately).

Then, the next update will come out and everythings starts from the beginning. That's the development cycle around here.

Relax, sit back, read between the lines, figure out ways of helping the devs in their approach and watch this awesome ROM evolving.

Let the show go on!
[Desire HD Android Development] Matt_85:
Hello :)

first of all i wanto to thank you for this excellent rom !!

it has nearly all you would ever need :D

one little thing though.. how about "signal options" in blackout tweaks?

i'm used to have dbm signal on notification bar , very useful in my opinion;

maybe in a flashable zip or in next release of tweaks, it would be great :cool:

thank you again for your effort , keep up the good work :)
[Desire HD Android Development] sbryan12144:
OK guys calm down. No need to bash others or try to explain yourselves. We aren't going to change our methods of reacting to posts and we aren't going to give ETA's. Why? Because if we give out an ETA, that puts stress on us and stress is the last thing you want/need out of a hobby. I used to go by that method but it made me very bitter towards deving and it got it the way of my life outside it. I'm not expecting anyone that isn't a dev to understand, but for the ones that do, I appreciate it.
[Desire HD Android Development] todortk:
Well, if you call a 12 years of professional software development "short time", yes it is :D

You are wrong here. Everybody has the right to ask a question or post a problem. And if the question will be answered is another issue.

So as I understand you are not a dev of this rom, but you claim to know what the devs think and claim that you have the right to say which is good or bad for the devs? I accept the statement of one of the developers, that say why they are not going to change the way they act (several posts bellow yours), but I see there less anger than in your post.
[Desire HD Android Development] mrfaisal007:
Okay, no kidding, it's the best ROM i ve had on my DHD. But i can't keep it. So many bugs :( . Please resolve them.

1) Bad VOIP, can't use viber at all, toooo much noise in ear speaker.

2) it's slower than other ROMs in performance terms. not lagging, but slower, too much slower, e.g. performs tasks slower. apps opening takes time. and slower inside-app tasks like Go SMS performs too slow. specially its private box, restoring sms using sms backup &restore, or games late loading like i mentioned, in short, the performance is baaaad...

3) SRS and Dolby sound like fake! They are not like the one's we ve had in other ROMs. please compare and use the real ones :/

Please give special focus on the performance issue, other than that, its the best rom ive ever used, honestly !! tc
[Desire HD Android Development] tadawakatsu:
Wow, I did not know that this is a thread for philosophical debate. :p

Now if you don't mind my smartass comment above, I will to ask you guys a very noobish question:

How can I download sound sets and scenes? Just a month ago I was able to do it, but for some reason now the HTC Hub only shows apps, ringtones, wallpapers and skins for download.

Oh, and when I switched back to GB ROM (ARHD 7.0.4), I can do it just fine. Does the HTC server detect the Android version and filter what content to show somehow?

Anyone?
[Desire HD Android Development] abumaha:
where is bootanimation not found want change
[Desire HD Android Development] krzych:
It may be that for you it is too short to understand things. Anyways, my experience is few years more, maybe those are the years :P.

No I'm not. This forum is someone's property, he/she decides about your rights here. So until someone says it, you have no right's. And as far as I know, everyone on this forum prefers devs over plain users, and as we both know, you are not deving this rom.

My anger is direct consequence of your behavior. You have VERY little posts on your account, you are titled junior member even, and you are trying to outsmart everyone here, where MANY ppl told you all that it is not even polite to ask for ETAs (not mentioning to demand).

So yes, maybe the devs have more pationce for the ppl like you. I don't.

But as we saw above, we, senior members told you the truth - you should not ask for ETAs - SBryan even explained it to you why. So you should politely say "thank you SBryan" and stop adding more and more pseudo-arguments.

End of topic if you ask me.
[Desire HD Android Development] desidunda:
HTC will only filter material which is according to HTC is compatible with your phone and Rom

Bootanimations are usually located in

/data/local

and or

/system/customize/resource
[Desire HD Android Development] alpha007org:
sbryan12144: I'm software developer and even when we as a team have a goal to release next version let's say a month from now everyone it being under more stress and pressure. I totally understand you why even as among fellow developers wouldn't want to put up a timetable. You can easily overlook some things, bugs that you think you resolved works in controlled environment or even brake some other things. Same for other features/tweaks/new stuff/...

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QD2DC: Some user posted some observations about app loading performance. I noticed that it is slow too. When I was on ARHD (default OC at 1.15) Opera Mobile opened in about a second or two but with your ROM - even OCed to 1.4 - Opera Mobile (and other apps and games) loads much longer (apps are on the phone not on SD), for Opera it is more then 5 seconds and sometimes it needs more then 10 seconds to load. But when app (or game) is loaded then it works at the same performance level as with ARHD ROM.

Another thing I noticed is VERY slow switching between apps (long press home button) in task manager. Even simple apps like switching from "GPS Status" to "SetCPU" lasts so long that phone asks me if I want to Force Close or Wait. (No other apps loaded, phone restarted)

Is loading (and switching) performance something you are looking at or are you focused on other things?

I would guess you'll first try to resolve bugs like noise in headphones, mettalic sound and wifi hotspot...
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I am not having problems with app loading performance or switching between apps.

Maybe you could try switching the governor for your screen on profile to ondemand and see if the problems persists.
[Desire HD Android Development] jean019:
Hi,

Do you think there will be a Blackout Sense JellyBean ROM ?

Or are we stuck to ICS ?

Thanks !

.
[Desire HD Android Development] alpha007org:
With Lionhearth governov + scheduler deadline app loading&switching got better. Best from all the combinations I tried.

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Strange thing is that for example SetCPU or GPS Status it takes faster to fresh start an app from app drawer/screen then switching to it even from homescreen. It takes approximately the same time to switch from app to app or homescreen to app.
[Desire HD Android Development] amit.shah:
I wish to go back to previous version of this ROM as I am unable to use headphones & apps like viber, tango & fring..

I have backup of old version taken from cwm recovery.. Can I directly restore & revert back or would there be a problem (due to reverting from ext4 partition created for current version.

Please do help..
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
This is good info.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by Blackout ICS Incredible v.3.1.0

---------- Post added at 06:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:42 PM ----------

I would recommend a full wipe. You can backup apps with Titanium Backup to update apps.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by Blackout ICS Incredible v.3.1.0
[Desire HD Android Development] Zakraket:
I'm a bit lost on ringtones with this ROM; it does not seem to respond to settings I change. It has the default soundpack activated, but I hear some "old phone" tone for

every

notification, whether it's a phonecall, email, whatsapp or agendanotification. Anyone that can explain what I need to do?
[Desire HD Android Development] pamtastic:
spontaneous reboots

Hi all,

At first, my compliments on the good job making this Blackout Rom.

I installed it a few days ago and after having some GPS-problems fixed it works great.

But every day/night I have the problem the phone will spontaneous reboot.

And it is always during the night (no activity from me, because I'm asleep - until the reboot) and sometimes during the day (no special activity).

I am new at ths forum and searched about 100 pages of this thread, but it is possible I missed the solution in the +500 pages.

Does anyone have a solution, or a pagenumber where I can find more info?

Thanks.
[Desire HD Android Development] Pop Tarantula:
Some apps allow selection of custom sounds - check Settings/Options in apps

A few sounds can be changed @ Menu -> Personalize -> Sound -> Notification sound (default will be heard when no alternate can be set)
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Maybe you could try changing the default governor. You can get No-Frills from Google Play. Try ondemand on smartassV2.
[Desire HD Android Development] pamtastic:
OK, I will try. Ik hope for a good result, tomorrow ;)
[Desire HD Android Development] alpha007org:
Voltages BlackoutICS team employs are lower then in HTCs ROM. Maybe your phone have lower quality CPU (SoC) and cannot handle lower voltage. CPUs (SoC) quality vary even on the same wafer. Try setting default voltage 1.2V at 1Ghz.
[Desire HD Android Development] tadawakatsu:
Bummer :(.

But just FYI, I was able to download the aforementioned contents just fine using version 3.1.0 of this ROM about a month (or so) ago. So, I take it HTC changed its policies regarding what device or OS version can download which contents?

I had downloaded all sound sets when using ARHD, and while the sound files remained in the SD card, the grouping (which files belong to what sound sets) did not. Is there any way that I can kinda "transfer" the sound set settings over to Blackout?

If there is any chance that TiBackup can be used, which app data that I need to backup/restore?

Thanks.
[Desire HD Android Development] romualdrichard:
A2SD....

Hi, is is possible to use the A2SD script from Leedroid ROM to use ext3 partition on the SD as a sd-ext?

Is it possible to move the dalvik cache to this partition too?

If not, maybe you can add it as an add on.

Thanks
[Desire HD Android Development] prasoeu168:
Can anyone share me the Team Blackout tweak.apk (lastest one) for me? Thank in advance
[Desire HD Android Development] QD2DC:
Um...Why?
[Desire HD Android Development] prasoeu168:
Because I want it for using with 3.0.0. I prefer to 3.0.0 than last one. Hope u understand
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
That crossed my mind too, but since the phone reboots on idle rather than load, I was thinking it might be an over heating issue. Ondemand or smartassV2 would be less taxing on the processor than the default governor, performance.
[Desire HD Android Development] saru789:
Mod Edit: Removed potentially sensitive language

Seen some comments about ETAs, just wanna say onething man, these devs are really great, and did made a real effort, give them time n they will not fail you on it. No one is perfect so its hard to expect everything working like it,even official RUUs often have bugs. Its been quite a while since many of us using this ROM, problems identified, let these guys bake it to perfection, try some other one's if u r so much in need of a new thing. Check out Nik's Project X if u like which is pretty much the same, infact evaluated version of it without blackout tweaks and two pane pull down menu, in the meanwhile let Team Blackout cook it more. I m sure they will rock it soon, but let it be there decision. I m really thankfull to them for such a great work when they let me see v4.0.4 on my DHD which i thought was impossible...
[Desire HD Android Development] alpha007org:
Roberto_Lim:

Every Frequency have it's own Voltage. Maybe your phone doesn't handle very well 786MHz at 1025mV (for example). If I were you I would try to apply +25mV across all table. And then if you experience random reboots you would know it's not your phone's hardware problem.

I don't know what else could be the problem except the kernel. (maybe some background app triggers kernel panic)

Look at your logs when reboot happens.

edit: I had similar problem with ARHD 7. But ARHD 6.3.3 was always working perfectly. BUT the strangest thing is that with ARHD I could not OC even a little. Default ARHD 1.15 was OK but if I tried 1.2 (with increased voltage) I had same random reboots even when phone was sleeping. Howerer on this ROM I can OC to 1.4 and it works, never had a problem like random reboot. Sure, I have problems with MMS and other things other users reported but I don't see how it could be connected with OC.
[Desire HD Android Development] bobix86:
Had the shutdown problem myself when i leave it idle (mostly at night offcourse), doesn't happen anymore BUT idk what did the trick, i did change the governor a few times but it has been on smartassv2 (on currently) allmost since i flashed the rom, i did flash the latest radio as advised recently, might be that it did the trick tough can't really be sure. Didn't do much else as far as i can think of.

Edit: OC/ed to 1.4 as well. No problems.
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Actually it's @pamtastic we are trying to help out.

I figured we should start with the simplest option. If changing governors does not work for him I can send him a script adjusting voltages. Or he could do it with SetCPU. AnTuTu won't let you adjust the voltages of the 245 Mhz and 368 MHz clock speeds.

Sent from my HTC Desire HD powered by Blackout ICS Incredible v.3.1.0
[Desire HD Android Development] dusto2k3:
not sure its been covered, but now my wifi is broken. When I turn it on, my home wifi is "not in range" and I can scan, but no networks show up. Any tips?
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
No, its not a issue which has been reported, or at least is is not common. I do not know of any useful tips for you. But the additional info may help the next person who passes by.

Some basic stuff though. When did the problem start? Did it start right after you flashed? If yes, did you do a full wipe?
[Desire HD Android Development] cjcm:
Idea!

Would lvoe to see themes for this rom :D
[Desire HD Android Development] RandyKaoss:
Loving this ROM, and looking forward to the little issues being fixed in future releases.

Disappointed that HTC seem to have removed a lot of the options from Sense, especially the power management. Is there a 3rd-party app to control that? What's really annoying is the low battery pop-up that appears everytime the battery drops by 1% below 15. Nightmare when you're playing a game!

Keep up the good work guys :)

Just to fit in with the rest of the posts:

OMG WTF ETA?!?!?!!??!?!?!

:laugh::laugh:
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
Yes, the best version of Sense, on a phone with all the the power saver options working, was Sense 3.5. The two Sense 3.5 ROM’s I tried with my DHD worked perfectly except for the power saver and sleep options.

In that Sense their loss on 3.6 is not a big deal. Sense 4 and 4 Lite ,feels like another step down for me.
[Desire HD Android Development] desidunda:
Restart your router and that should fix it

Sent From My HTC Desire HD With Beats Audio Running On SmartDroid Phoenix
[Desire HD Android Development] shezaad879:
One suggestion guys. When the update is released, close this thread and open a new one, with the most info and a solid FAQs. Any posts that asks for anything already answered in the OP and FAQs section to be deleted along with offensive ones and ones with ETAs.

Answering a post by "look for the answer in some previous posts" or "use search button" and "do not ask for ETAs" etc are not beneficial to the thread and only contributes to making it longer and more annoying to keep up with.

Keep up the good work devs! :)
[Desire HD Android Development] hysteresis:
HTC RUU for Incredible S Sense 3.6 and 4.0.4 on HTCDEV.
[Desire HD Android Development] soleil10:
What does it mean, the RUU from Incredible S for DHD?

http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
[Desire HD Android Development] exup86:
what is it ? Are you sure you know english ? :eek:
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
Blackout ROM is: Based on: Incredible S 4.10.405.1.

You make the syllogism.
[Desire HD Android Development] jacmeister:
What does it mean, the RUU from Incredible S for DHD?

http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloa...seen bogdukes post above, so its just a base,
[Desire HD Android Development] Roberto_Lim:
I wonder if there are any interesting files to be borrowed from there...
[Desire HD Android Development] bogduke:
That's one of the googd things about DHD: it's pretty much the same with Incredible S, Rezound, Droid Incredible 2. Ironically, all of this devices (except ours) will (arguably) receive updates to 4.x. But, a little... "borrowing" won't hurt anyone.

Come to think that people took shots at HTC policy of releasing many phones with close specs.

Corollary: considering taking a look of these devices development pages. One could learn a thing or two...
[Desire HD Android Development] QD2DC:
Didn't we mention new base? :p

Question? would you guys want a tweakless release, just pretty stock with our minor edits for speed and whatnot, but no tweaks, with the possibility or an update for just tweaks?
[Desire HD Android Development] AgentCain:
Since Blackout Tweaks can be turned on and off on demand, I dont thing that having a no-Tweaks version serves much. If someone doesn't want them, they dont have to activate them i guess
[Desire HD Android Development] exup86:
QD2DC; studies how it goes ? : Angel: