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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Andreas527:
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).

Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.

Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.

One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.

And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.

Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.

Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.

The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.

Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.

Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.

Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.

A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I agree completely. But since Android as a whole is stuck on throwing hardware specs around and being more powerful, we'll just roll with the punches then.

I've always said software is the key. Currently Im satisfied with android experience. I've already had the first Ipad for 2yrs. and experienced IOS. IMO Android is alot better and more productive. So i will be getting a tegra4 tablet once it does come. to me, only thing worth waiting for.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] benefit14snake:
Mobile SOC are one of the fastest moving industries in the tech world. A 4-6 month lead on release is HUGE because that is half the product cycle. I think Nvidia is doing a great job personally, but for them to get more design wins they have to be "in" the inner circle. Part of business is having a compelling product that is highly profitable and the other part is strictly relationship based.

This is the reason that my store in Virginia is slowly but surely taking off. We have a product that is better quality, 50% cheaper and have an industry leading return policy with a showroom that is LEAPS AND BOUNDS above what any competitors have to offer. With all that being said my employees are better trained and more knowledgeable.

BUT.... my competitors are still thriving.. Why? Because they have been the "big boys" on the block for the last 45 years and we have been here about 5..

Will our sales numbers over take theirs? Without a doubt, but it will take a while to "win" people over and establish our relationship with the community.

Assuming Intel or AMD doesnt get too serious about SOCs I think Nvidia will be a world leader, but it will take a bit to gain ground.

I for one think their 4 plus 1 architecture is brilliant. I would have liked to see a better GPU, but that will come. Fact of the matter is Tegra 3 is small, cheap, profitable, quick and drains not too much power for what it is capable of. THey just need to get their LTE chipset in line as that cost them a TON of business.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
Yep I have to agree about all this power & yet we lack on the software end of it.I may be looking at a tablet that Asus has with i think it's an I-5 or a I-7 processor in it.Yes it is a windows tablet & battery life isn't that good but the power & software are good.So if these Win 8 tablets or the new Tegra 4 isn't up to par then it's on to a windows tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Andreas527:
To bad we have to wait so long before its release. The nearest thing to look forward to is the release of Infinity and that Samsung can bring something fun.

One thing a like with tablets its that it's completely silent.. No fan noise or harddisk sound. This leads to thinking about cooling.

I have been thinking about this for a while. We get faster more powerful systems that should generat more heat. How fast can we go before they need to come up with some cool stuff to keep the tablet from not overheating.. They can lead the heat from the CPU, GPU away from this areas. But there should not lead it out so that the user can feel it (Ipad3)

And what about the internal storage. Will we see faster storage in next generation and is USB 3 on its way.

Does the Tegra 4 or Tegra 3 have any limitations about speeds on the flash storage or USB 3 connectivity ?

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Teg4 will likely show up in Win8 tablets first. Nvidia is one of the five approved vendors for WOA (others being Huawei, Marvell, Qualcomm, and TI). Interestingly, Samsung is not (yet?) on the list.

In fact, I don't think Teg4 will hit Android this year. One, aside from a few games, there's no software to take advantage of Teg3 now, and it's likely to stay that way until year-end. Two, Android vendors will strive to cut costs to better compete with iPad. Adding a bleeding-edge SoC with little software support would be counterproductive.

My hot button is on connectivity. I would like to see full USB port, 2x2 dual-band 802.11n with robust antennas, and built-in driver support for various USB wifi chipsets. For 2013, I'd like to see WirelessHD (may be WiDi) and 802.11ac draft. These would alleviate the major speed bottleneck of mobiles and add new uses (seamless RDP, wireless HD video-out to TV), with little added cost.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
As far as Samsung goes, I hope it stays that way. Looking forward to Samsung creating Win 8 Tablets using Intel's medfield SoC (dual-core+ version that is expected in early 2013).

As for Tegra 4, I do remember reading articles where Nvidia is specifically designing the 2nd Tegra 4 (grey with directx 11 support) for Win 8.. & to compete against Intel's medfield SoC.

Edit: Demandarin.. the extra cores found inside the Tegra3/4 GPU really means nothing (for example.. A5x GPU with 4 cores > ULP Geforce GPU inside Tegra 3 with 8+ cores). I mean, look at this...

http://androidandme.com/2012/01/new...zms-40-soc-still-no-actual-products-in-sight/

http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/01/05/ziilabs-zms-40-quad-core-cortex-a9-soc-is-now-available/

100 cores...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Itaintrite:
I'm still laughing at the new iPad's performance vs the Tegra 3. Apple always pull BS charts right out of their arse. And sadly people actually buy it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pileot:
Actually your backwards. Software / programs rarely if ever supercede the hardware.

Remember when the first 1ghz phone was out, there were very few applications that could even touch that kind of power. Then the Atrix came out as the first dual core phone (at least in Canada) and there was very little that supported dual cores. Then the prime and its quad core, and again very few apps that take advanage.

If they build faster chips then the software developers will develop to take advantage of them. Otherwise whats the point?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jonphinguyen7:
I think that's the point the user is making. It's not that the software supercedes the hardware, but that it does not even use the hardware at "par" capacity.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pileot:
This is actually a problem with the new ipad, as well as several other devices. When charging and playing intense games the ipad can heat up to about 110F. Granted not enough to burn you, it can be uncomfortable especially in little hands.

People gripe about the unibody aluminum design but i have never had my prime get hot :)

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maybe i misread his post, will have to go back, but from what i read he was trying to say its no use making faster processors if what we have isnt being fully used yet. I say why wait? lets push the limit and see what we can do!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I'd really hope someone (go google?) would make a full featured office app for android. That would be suuuuch a huge selling point for devices like the prime and Android Tablets in general.

And imho quite the goldmine.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kickokim:
Also, android 5 is coming. We don't know much about it yet, but rumors say that it will run also on net-note-ultra-books. Tegra 4 and android 5 should be a good combo! I hope so because i don't want to go back to windows, i like open source and windows is getting old... The "ubuntu for android" project could benefit from a powerful chip too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blades:
If they switch to Kepler and thus presumably 28nm, the chip will dissipate heat over a smaller area.. making passive cooling all the more challenging. This may become a problem in the future.. the smaller the process, the higher the 'heat density' of the chip.. Plus TSMC has *reportedly* had problems with the 28nm yields..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
Oh man... the Asus propaganda cheerleader is in full effect... in stero
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] benefit14snake:
Good catch my friend! Although they could probably run flat heat pipes along the aluminum casing and get the desired heat dissipation.

While keplar is certainly a fantastic chip, I don't think saying amd can't touch them is entirely accurate. In fact this is the first time since the glory days of the all mighty geforce 6800 that nvidia has let amd/ati in performance per watt. Also the 7970 is with in a couple percent in almost every test except a few where it is faster. None the less , kepler is impressive.

Edit: its worth mentioning that tegra 3 is cooled by a pad that connects it very crudely to the back of the prime. No proper heatsink in sight.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I'll bet you an accessory that they revise Teg3 sales down again when they report their Q1 earnings. Here it is April and the only devices you can buy in the Western world with a Teg3 chip are the Prime, Acer 510, and HTC One X (non-LTE). They can be as confident as they want but if their sales don't pick up it's all for naught. Nvidia (the whole company) isn't as large as some of their competitors and can't keep investing forward in R&D without some significant present-day sales providing the funding; their balance sheet can't support it and their shareholders won't tolerate it. There's a big difference between forward looking propaganda and a shipping product manufacturers are physically deploying in their devices.

Teg2 is all but dead and Teg3's not selling even in the absence of any competition. And remember, phones are where the volume is not tablets. Other than HTC (and only for the non-LTE "X"), who's going to use Teg3? Samsung's not - Nvidia's CEO said so. Motorola seems to be aligning with TI and Intel. Panasonic is using Qualcomm. Huawei is making their own chips. That leaves LG and Sony. Not exactly a rosy sales picture for a "game changing" chip that was first to market and so highly touted. At this point, Nvidia's only possible saving grace for Teg3 is Lenovo and the tablets and phones they sell in their home market (China) which is huge and growing.

You can paint as rosy a picture about Nvidia's future in mobile as you want but unless the present changes their not really in a very good place.

And when exactly do you think the things I've highlighted in red will appear in devices that we can actually purchase? 2013? 2014?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
This might be the shortest response ever in the history of demandarin's 4000 posts :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Kailkti:
Sounds interesting, love to see how the competition would counter nvidia. Either way they really are leading the SoC pack. Hopefully they'll do that with their mobile gpus too.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I think you've got it backwards. Apple can't get out from under Samsung in spite of their lawsuits claiming "slavish copying." I'd bet a lot of manufacturers would be glad to trade places with Samsung and produce the retina displays and processors for the iFamily. Do you honestly think with all the acrimony between them Apple wouldn't drop Samsung in a heart beat if they could?

Hmm. That's a tough one...

- Shipped 5MM Galaxy Notes

- Shipped 20MM Galaxy SII's

- Worlds largest seller of Android phones in both volume and market share

- World's largest seller of Android tablets both in volume and market share

- One of the few manufacturers capable of designing and fabricating their own chips

- A recognized leader in display technology

- They and Apple make 90% of the profit in the mobile industry (http://www.appleinsider.com/article...oost_with_90_of_mobile_industrys_profits.html)

- Made more in profit in Q4 2011 alone then Nvidia made in total sales for the full year

- Was second behind Qualcomm in mobile processor market share in 2011 (Nvidia was 6th)

You keep comparing Nvidia to Samsung but they don't even play the same game.

P.S. - My next phone is a Krait Panasonic Eluga Power so you can drop the "Samsung fanboy" rhetoric.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
most of those points are moot as Nvidia is a dedicated chipmaker. they don't make tablets. they produce the chips that power them. Samsung just now is just recently capable of designing and manufacturing their own chips. don't tote that as they've been doing it for the mobile scene for decades..lol

plus nothing you mentioned is revolutionary or pushing the envelope in technology. you talking more marketing and stock b.s. forget the dang stocks and I'm richer than you mentality(Samsung making more than nvidia) and get down to the nitty gritty of what they've actually developed for the tablet or Mobile or PC scene that's groundbreaking. ill give Samsung the displays. other than that, what? plus technically they don't design their chips, still uses Arm licensed architecture. so its not really 100% their designs and creation. meaning they didn't create it and design it not using arm licensed architecture. As that's how you make it seem.

OK, since Samsung is all that, make their own chips, blah blah blah, and made so much money, then how come they can't even overtake Apple who using them as slaves to making components for them? that should tell ya something, they don't have the winning formula after all ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] newellj79:
Really? Slaves? I think what you mean't to say is that Samsung is making a ton of money manufacturing components for Apple since they won't or can't make them themselves.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
I don't know why this thread has turned into a samsung vs asus vs apple thread now but these forums are ridiculous everybody needs to chill out. Samsung is a great company, Asus is a great company, and Apple is called America's company.

Samsung makes the best phones hands down

Apple has a huge following, and makes a solid device

Asus makes amazing chips, and graphic cards

All companies are good for their own reason everyone here is acting retarded trying to fight over which company is better. In my opinion no company is better it's all about what you like.

I like Samsung personally doesn't make Samsung better than all the other companies!

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Apple designs the chips, Samsung just manufacturers them, it's smart business for Samsung to make them it's all about the money, Apple doesn't make them because they don't have the manufacturing ability of Samsung.

It's all about MONEY, that's why we live in a Capitalism based economy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BuZzCoRe:
my point is that the consumers wont benefit from the increased performance until the software is fully able to use it. i doubt tegra 3 is being used to the full as of now, so thats what i meant. dont get me wrong guys i have a tf201 too but im just trying to be objective here :D

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandaball:
Samsung makes the chips using their own production facilities. Nvidia pays TSMC to make Tegra 3. Nvidia is a fabless company and has never made their own chips, only designed them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I know this already. I was just stressing ln his point making it seem like Samsung designs them from scratch "NOT" using arm architecture.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you are correct. but that isn't stopping Android manufacturers from constantly upping the specs. so I'd still rather have a more powerful machine if available. it'll still perform better than less spec one even if its full power not pushed yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BuZzCoRe:
agreed then :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that ton of money isnt helping Android at all or securing more of the market tablet share for Samsung. all its doing is making Apple succeed more and Apple gets all the credit. Samsung designed and made that new display. But they don't get credit for it. Apple gets all the credit for the display as if they made it. no one publicly is praising Samsung for creating apple chips and displays. Apple has all the spotlight as if they did it all themselves. So yes, Samsung is making the money but is still in the shadow of apple.

its like Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. Both are great b-ball players. Scottie pippen was just as good as Michael Jordan. he was Jordan right hand man who helped him win all those championships for the Chicago bulls. But Jordan was the only one who always got all the press and glory and endorsement deals. Scottie pippen was always in Jordan shadow although he could play and be flashy on the court just as good as Jordan. Scottie Pippen never got the recognition he deserved as he was easily the next best player on bulls or nba after jordan. Apple is Michael Jordan and Samsung is Scottie Pippen.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Can you tell me why Samsung needs to help Android? I seriously don't get that logic of yours. Samsung's goal is simply to make MONEY.... The future of Android is up to GOOGLE, not Samsung (and other OEMs for that matter).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
easy, because they are making android devices. regardless they play a part in its success. yes, its ultimately up to Google but they need closer ties with Google like Asus has. Google needs to work more closer with all android manufacturers.

so that's the logic in that. now where is your logic coming from? lol ;) I don't have the, let Android die mentality because I like windows like you. I'm actually for Android continuing to grow and prosper.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Lol, close tie with Google like Asus? If I remember correctly, Samsung did create last two "nexus" smartphone. What has Asus done so far with Google??

Sure, Samsung's creating Android device to make "money", however, if given the opportunity to create iOS device, I'm sure Samsung will jump on that chance. Samsung played a part in "androids" success in smartphone market, but they have absolutely zero obligation to Android.

For all the projection of what "android" will be in future market share, why throw away significant "revenue" from Apple? To this day, we have not seen a single OEM/device overtake iPhone/iPad. For all the Samsung's prowess in manufacturing, if they were to "stop" providing material for Apple.... who else will order such large amount?? Also, what's the guarantee that Samsung's own Android device will sell just as much as iPhone/iPad in the future.. in the very HEATED Android market share??

It's absolutely foolish for Samsung to take a HUGE risk just for the "sake" of Android.

2. I don't have let Android die mentality. Honestly don't care about Android's future. If they succeed.. great, if not.. too bad??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
NVIDIA AHEAD OF THE PACK is meaning their chip on technology side. Which that statement holds true. I don't care or am talking about sales figures. I'm talking about specs and power of the chip. There is no other Android chip currently on the market with better battery life and is more powerful. Its already just announced the At@T HTC one X with qualcomm S4 chip release date just got pushed backto may. http://www.talkandroid.com/103253-a...idForums+(Android+News,+Rumours,+and+Updates)

This is more than likely due to the issue I posted a couple weeks back that Qualcomm had to completely shut down/halt production of new Snapdragon S4 chip. There were having Manufacturing issues and had to stop production and devices that were going to use that chip would likely be delayed. It being delayed will make it that much better for tegra3. Already majority of new android tablets already announced and set to release soon ARE ACTUALLY TEGRA3 TABLETS. HTC phone with tegra3 is already out overseas.

SO I'm talking about one thing and all you ever do is bring up some marketing sales numbers and sales figures which really has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Anything could change. Projections aren't guareenteed by no means and always subject to change. Could be lowered or could be higher.

Leave all the marketing sales figures talk at the door them lets see who has more concrete info to go off of. I'm talking about specs and design architecture and what it'll bring. You talking about sales, stocks etc...which has no bearing on how a chip will perform to the end user. That's what I'm talking about. FOR you to always criticize GK for marketing b.s., seems like that's all you ever do also in these discussions. See my point? Lol ;) leave all the sales and projections and profit margins b.s. behind. Talk straight technology..lmfao. that was funny. You are funny guy. You still aight with me no matter how hard you try to call me out..lol.

Example of how you and I are: auto dealership for the analogy. You are like the sales person. I'm more like the mechanic. I'm discussing a new engine about to be released and what it'll bring. Since I know about engines already. Then the sales person comes and try to discuss engines also but instead only uses sale figures, projections, and profit margins to tell me how well the engine will perform. This is without even telling me any real relevant info about a competitors engine specs or benefits it has. Your only angle is from the sales side. My angle is always from a mechanic/engineering point of view. We talking 2 different languages.

I didn't title the thread Tegra4 will outsell everything else. Or title it how well will the tegra4 sell. I titled it talking about the technology to be implemented in it.

Interesting Article on why the Android revolution and Growth has only really just begun

http://www.androidpit.com/en/androi...owth?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews