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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
I currently pay 83 and change on sprint... including insurance.... With a 15% disc.. Taxes included...

On AT&T, 3GB.. 450 min... And unlimited messaging... 89 and change... No insurance... No taxes

83 with discount.. That's not including insurance with the plan... And no taxes.. Insurance is a must have...

So you do the math....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
Well, seeing as a data plan is required with a smartphone, I think all of us on ATT just see it as part of the plan, not "extra". You should probably get used to it, because I'm pretty sure even if you're not paying for data through sprint (somehow?), you will probably eventually have to. Have fun with your feature phones though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
You have a 15% discount through sprint, so that would make your plan about 100 bucks without it. Add 5 dollar a month insurance to the ATT plan, and they're both pretty damn close. Provided you could get the same discount on ATT, ATT would be slightly cheaper. I know that's probably not the case for you, but for anybody without discounts it's a cup of coffee a month difference in the plans.

If you have decent 3g service with ATT, it can be just as fast as your sprint "4g". Did you bother running any speed tests at all? The icon at the top is pretty much useless except for telling you which general level of speeds you're on.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
In all I am paying ten to fifteen dollars more with AT&T... I only have three days with this service and every time I run a speed test it seems to drop data connection midway.. I don't live in a lte area... But I do have the 4g hspa... I notice it is not a consistent download with AT&T.. With sprint if it's .5mb then that's what you get.. It's consistent across the board and no spikes in their service unlike AT&T.. Not sure if it's only my area... I just hate to return this note back... After all I did pay 150..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BigBrotherMotown:
Hey

How can I get the note for 150??????
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
You have to open new line of service or add an additional line... You can't upgrade.. It must only be does two conditions..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
Speed test can be unreliable sometimes, it has never worked very well on my phone. A simple test, that will tell you which one is faster, but not your speed, is to try downloading a file simultaneously on both phones, side by side, and see which finishes first. I'm willing to guess that if you have a decent signal that the Note will finish first. And to me, some spikes with overall faster data would be better than .5 all the time. Ouch, that's slow.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
I agree about being slow... I also notice when the data speeds slows or comes to a halt, it switches from 4g to E.... Is that normal?

I just checked on the 150 notes.... That deal doesn't exist anymore... Sorry...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BigBrotherMotown:
Is that "in store" or on-line?

It will definitely be a new line
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Twistedchild420:
Bs....my int'l Note on straight talk...others have got as high as 7 with new roms....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SayWhat10:
Similar, but not the same

But stay on topic:

Point is in most sprint plans i believe, data is included AND its unlimited AND most includ unlimited texting

I say AT%T is extra because you have to have a data plan, and you have to choose which one(300mb,3g,4g,etc)and pay "extra" at all different prices

I guess you'll say that when i have to pay $20 for AT&T unlimited texting thats not "extra" either because "the prices are similar" right? #funnythinking

At least paying for the ATT data is worth it, because their 4G is real 4G compared to sprints slow WiMess
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
If plans with comparable number of minutes, data, and texting are within 5 bucks a month of each other, its kind of #funnythinking for you to say that your data and texting aren't extras. Both carriers require data to use a smartphone, and ATT is actually cheaper if you were to use some other SMS replacement app that uses data or wifi to send messages, then you could forgo the messaging plan. Really, the plans are very similar, and you're most likely missing out on higher data speeds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jermean:
Its funny people act like they've always had mobile broadband and they get entitled and start *****ing and moaning!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 00mred00:
Exactly...att 3 g all over north texas is at the slowest 4 times faster than sprints..and wimax is a joke. Well worth the extra $$

Customer service at att has been much better as well.

I and a few friends have recently been kicked off sprint unlimited plans for "excessive usage" whether it be roaming/calls/data...just sayin

Still, Will be interesting to see what happens when sprint rolls out lte but I dont miss them at all
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SayWhat10:
Well you have an out-of-this-world defenition of "comparable". Because just like the other dude said the plans for within $6 of each but yet he's getting a 15% discount and unlimited data. So unlimited data is "comparable" to a 3G limit on AT%T? Would seem you would pay the extra $20 for 5gig since that would be the closet you could get to limited(or more with tethering plan)

I said they WERE extras because they are when you buy additional options to your plan a la carte.

first, who does this? esp if you have unlimited texting

2nd,if you dont,ATnT data isnt unlimited,so if i pay $20 for 300mb,would i end up paying more for going over because i use another texting program that uses data to send texts????????????????????????????????

Im on ATnT, i have way faster data speeds than sprint can dream of right now, so what are you saying?

Totally confused by your reply
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
Call it funny, *****ing, moaning but we all pay for this service... We pay expecting to get and use what that particular company advertises.. Yes, if were not happy we can always leave... But that is not the case, especially when you are committed to a two year commitment...

So anyone can ***** and moan all they want... I know I will... Especially if I'm paying for the service they are offering...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Sheon849:
I agree att network sucks so bad and they call these speeds 4G

These are not the 4G speeds they Brag about on TV
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SayWhat10:
Well im sure it all depends on the area......

For me, AT&T 3G is faster than sprints 4G (wimaxx)

Are those LTE speeds you posted?

I avg 10mb down so i have no complaints in the 2 weeks ive been with ATnT compared to the 9 years ive been with sprint and their slow network.

Best thing about sprint are theie prices

But im sure when they get LTE they'll find another way to charge extra(like they added the $10 charge just for having a smartphone to compensate for 4G)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
Even if you call them extras or not, data and texting are pretty much essential commodities, therefore, they shouldn't be viewed as extras. Sprint just has it already included, seeing as they only have one option for data.

Also, unless you're doing a ton of streaming music and video, 300 MB is quite a bit of data. If you do stream stuff, 3 GB is still quite a lot, and you should use wifi if you can for video anyways. I have unlimited data, and I don't usually hit more than 3 gigs, with streaming Pandora quite often and watching random videos, but I prefer to keep my grandfathered unlimited with ATT. Also, Sprint is only able to still offer unlimited because their .5 Mbps download speed is so slow and draws so little bandwidth. If they increased their speeds for everybody, their network would implode, or they would definitely have to offer tiered data plans.

As to the third party messaging, plenty of people do it because they want to save that $20 per month, and you have some serious judgement issues with the amount of data it would use. An average SMS message uses about 140 bytes of data. If you used the whole 300 MB plan for texting, that's 2.14 million text messages. Hmmm. No matter how much you try, texting isn't going to gobble up a data plan through a third party app. You should probably research a bit before wildly throwing nonsense up on a board.

Also, if you would have read my post carefully, you would have noticed that I was saying ATT data speeds on 3G beat Sprint's "4G" network, not vice versa. The man said he gets .5 Mbps down consistently on Sprint...I have never seen that slow on ATT's 3G. At those speeds on Sprint, unlimited data is almost pointless. Good luck using up 3GB on Sprint with those speeds. ATT may be limited, but at least it has good speeds.

And yes, the plans, though $6 different, are very comparable, and I would argue that ATT is definitely worth the extra money. I don't see how my post was confusing. Yes, ATT is limited, but 3gb is a fair bit of data, and unlimited Sprint data is a joke.

Again, if you don't understand this post, I'm all for ATT and think he is being irrational in saying it sucks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SayWhat10:
well for one

Defies the logic of common sense because with AT&T, you get a voice plain,but unlimited texting is not included. Meaning you can have month to month without paying the $20. So I say it defies commons sense because if you want that unlimited texting you HAVE to pay extra for it because its not included.

Pandora streams music, that is the least most use of data streaming. However this is 2012,and people stream VIDEO, which is the #1 data hog. Netflix, Hulu, etc, can EASILY get you over 3gig a month. Because I have a limit is why i dont even stream on my phone(i did with sprint because it was unlimited and i tethered)

Ok but if you used it all for texting, um DUH,wheres your space for DATA? You would have a $400 dollar bill with a 300mb plan and use data texting and used netlix,hulu, etc, so gain, you're not making much sense, at all.

And lastly, you obviously didnt comprehend what I said about the $6 difference,the other guy came up with a $6 difference off a very NON-comparable plan. A comparable plan(with no discount and 5gig data) would be off by about $40 or so, NOT $6!!!!!!!!!!

So my stance is, ATT's service is way better.

But sprints prices are way better.

The ONLY reason im on ATnT is because of the note.

The OP is not irrational for saying it sucks. If AT&T cant provide you good and fast service in the area you live,then yeah, it sucks,and i would get another carrier. I would do exact same thing if i was the OP. However, AT&T LTE works great where I live, so Im staying.

End of story.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
Look at the base price of the plans. No, messaging isn't included with ATT, but it also starts at $39.99 per month, as compared to $69.99 with Sprint. Adding the 3GB plan to the ATT plan, which is way more than enough for probably 90% or more of ATT's customer base, you come to $69.99 per month. Add the $10.00 premium data charge on Sprint, that comes to $79.99. And I proved that you don't need the Unlimited messaging on ATT with the use of a 3rd party app. How are they not comparable?

My point of saying that 300 MB is a ton of text messages wasn't that you would use it all for texting. That would be physically impossible. What I was implying was that texting like that would use an insignificant amount of data. Here's some more simple math for you so you understand:

140 bytes * 2000 messages = 280,000 bytes = 280 kB = .28 MB of your data plan. See where I'm going? That's almost nothing out of the base 300 MB plan. If you use the 3GB plan, which I would say is more than enough data for a huuuuuuuuge majority of users, I would say it's pretty damn comparable to having unlimited data through Sprint @ .5 Mbps download speeds.

Also, since I have proven that 3rd party texting has a negligible effect on your data plan, look at it this way:

ATT:

450 minutes, 5 GB data plan (includes tethering ability), virtually unlimited messaging through 3rd party app - $89.99/month

If you were to opt for 3 GB of data (lose tethering), still have virtually unlimited messaging - $69.99/month

Sprint:

450 minutes, unlimited data (no tethering), unlimited messaging - $79.99/month

If you want to tether with Sprint:

450 minutes, unlimited data, 5 GB tethering data, unlimited messaging - $109.99/month

So there really isn't that much of a difference. I would say both plans have their pros and cons, but that doesn't mean they aren't comparable.

A con of ATT's plan is that it doesn't have unlimited data, and costs $10 more for a plan with 5GB of data.

A con of Sprint's is that you're essentially forced to pay for messaging (it's just included with your plan price), and your data sucks.

Based on the cons, that makes them very comparable plans. You have quite the definition of "comparable" if price is your only consideration, and a $10 difference at that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
Ok guys, when I said I was getting .5mb on sprint, I was just trying to make you understand one thing..

With sprint, the data network is consistent at that time you use it... it could be 1 mb or 2mb but it's consistent...

Now with AT&T, it has spikes in it's data network... It starts off good and then it drops off.. It drops so bad that I lose connection for a minimum of five seconds... I'm not sure why it does it but it does... I called tech support and will be troubleshooting my note..

I must add that I'm not in a lte area or a 4g area for sprint either...

Just noticed another thing...

While submitting this post, it was taking a while to establish connection..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DeRock13:
It really does depend on where you live. But that holds true for any carrier. My mom has Sprint for work. It disconnects at her house all the time unless she stands in one spot in her kitchen. Her personal phone, AT&T, works fine everywhere in the house. My phones only disconnected when I visited by sleeping in the one room, just a dead spot. Where I work I get reliable voice service but data, while 4G, is slow. I go back 10 minutes West and I have 4G speed. Every carrier claims coverage in an area, but you might have less than perfect results. Verizon sucks out here too in many places. I have better luck with Ma Bell so I choose to keep my unlimited data.

Sent from the White Monolith
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SayWhat10:
Agreed, thats why I said its OK for the OP to say ATT service sucks,because it does.... for HIM.

Me and many others enjoy the super fast LTE speeds that sprint couldnt match anyday.

Some people simply have to choose not necessarily the best provider, but the best carrier that will work for them in their area.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] towncop1978:
Agreed saywhat.......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Cyberguycpt:
Im on At%t and pay 95 with taxes and insurances included. I also have a 15% discount. So im paying about 13 more then you for faster data speeds... Ill live with that.

So you do the math....
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DanOMac:
hi guys iv just popped back to the magic scene after having a nexus one and now a sensation

i rooted and had a custom recovery image on my magic i updated the recovery to recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.7.0G and now recovery wont load any ideas why thanks in advance
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DanOMac:
all is well i just flashed ruu so will start fresh
[Thunderbolt General] Eddog4DROID:
I keep looking to buy used or make future plans, but my tbolt is smooth, has a kickstand, voice and data at the same time.... there is nothing I want to upgrade to. Maybe wait on the S3? No reason to get a dual core, but might as well wait on quad.

My question, has anyone upgraded and found a vastly superior experience from current Verizon phones? I think I can last many more months and be happy on this phone....
[Thunderbolt General] brossma1:
+1
[Thunderbolt General] jodell22:
I'm in the same boat as you.. I know a lot of people with new Verizon phones and there is no way i would spend another $250 to upgrade at this point... This phone runs great
[Thunderbolt General] smtom:
+ 1 here as well. I actually chose the thunderbolt as my upgrade device in january.

Why?

For the features and money, anything else verizon is... Meh...
[Thunderbolt General] mechanizedmedic:
+1

had a fascinate and i didn't think this TB would be so much of a upgrade as it turned out to be. my wife gets jealous of it and she has a bionic... who would've though...?
[Thunderbolt General] _highway_:
I was going to make a thread like this today...

And even compared to the nexus we still have an unlocked bootloader, 4G, 32 gig removable card, removable batt, gorilla glass, a better 8 mp camera, and kickstand... plus ics on the way

Nexus has face unlock, nfc, samoled, dc (not a game changer), ics already and will get jellybean first, non-removable card, and a worse camera...

None of those things are worth $300 imo!
[Thunderbolt General] ponyboy82:
Wow, TB love all around! I've actually been eligible for an upgrade for a few months now, but the Nexus didn't seem like that much of an upgrade. I was really looking into the Droid 4 (have tinges of keyboard envy), but idk -- it just didn't seem worth it. I hate to waste my early upgrade, but I think I might just wait the normal 2 years.

FWIW, I'm still totally stock, aside from using Go Launcher. I haven't even rooted or rom'd, so there's probably a whole other world to explore on this phone. I also have the Rezound battery and just got a new dock (the $10 one from htcpedia), which would be a shame to waste.
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
I love this phone. ICS would be nice, but i probably wouldnt use it without sense. I get great battery life, have beats audio, and a very smooth rom built for a dual core. Rezound would be nice, but im very happy.
[Thunderbolt General] MattG987:
There's no way I'm replacing my Thunderbolt until I can get a phone that has the same flexibility (removable SD card, unlockable, rootable, lots of ROM options) and also has NFC.

Basically, Thunderbolt + NFC + better specs in all categories, is what I'm after, before I'd consider upgrading.
[Thunderbolt General] _highway_:
Yeah, the main thing for me is unlocked & 4G . . .

I love my liquid 3.2 aosp rom as well, this thing is so fast.

Getting rid of sense dropped the size of my TiBU folder from 705 mb to 210 mb due to the lesser amount of stock apps

I have an upgrade on my acct that i can use, but i think there is nothing worth upgrading to

Whats the deal with the rezound battery? Is it the same size with a larger capicity?

Sent from my HTC ThunderBolt
[Thunderbolt General] v4npro:
I'm getting nexus today. Got another upgrade in October if something better comes out.
[Thunderbolt General] _highway_:
sounds awesome! if money wasn't an issue, i would prob snag one today as well with the $100 discount, but i'll just wait a bit for an ota ics release :P
[Thunderbolt General] ncwildcat:
Got a droid razr maxx, and it is hands down superior in every way...espicially now that I am running ICS (AOKP)...wifey has the TB, and every time I touch it I am happy I upgraded.
[Thunderbolt General] v4npro:
Well, didn't work out the way I liked. I could get upgrade but would have to pay $300 today. I called verizon twice and express my opinion on that, since it's $100 off today, and got hanged up on. Great support. So gonna wait 15 more days.
[Thunderbolt General] smtom:
IDK how a locked bootloader Moto is in every way 'superior', it's not even fully rooted - all you can do, boiled down, is lots of skinning and themes.

Call me simple, but that doesn't sound superior to me; sounds more like a cr-apple product.
[Thunderbolt General] simp dogg:
I am rocking the airborne rom, and I must say it is the best. I also have MIUI V5 on standby via bootmanager :-)

Sent From My Diseased Smartphone
[Thunderbolt General] 4Gallovermyface:
Ever since the battery life was fixed in one of the updates it's been a great phone. There are definitely some phones that I would consider an overall upgrade but not worth $. If I could upgrade and get a free Rezound, Razr or Nexus I might strongly consider...

Bionic is free but not really sure if I would pick a free Bionic over a free TBolt.
[Thunderbolt General] METDeath:
I'm with you guys, until there's another voice+data phone I'm not upgrading.

If Motorola started playing nice again and didn't encrypt the damn boot loader I'd be all about the Droid 4 as I miss my physical keyboard from my D1.

However, my biggest thing is that with AOSP email client doesn't work right when forwarding attachments. Which apparently is a non-issue in MotoBlur... I haven't used it, so can't say.
[Thunderbolt General] KeithRVA:
I had a Tb and now a Galaxy Nexus. I would say the experience is definitely superior, especially the display and stock android ics. I had lots of lag on my Tb, terrible battery drain, and the proximity sensor sucked balls. I hung up on people so many freaking times with my cheek it was ridiculous. The Nexus is a lot of fun and has been 100% stable. I was expecting a lot of bugs in ics but everything runs great. Get one today and don't look back, lol.
[Thunderbolt General] kujayhawks77:
I don't think the GN will get Jelly Bean first (at least officially). If I'm not mistaken there has always been a new Nexus with the new OS.

With that being said back to the original topic, I'm pretty happy with my TB. I have 2 upgrades available on my account and none of the recent phones have intrigued me enough to use one.

Sure I'd like ICS now but not enough to buy a GN, and the other phones (Rezound, RAZR, RAZR Max, LG Spectrum - yes I am including it because it has specs pretty close to the Rezound) are in the same boat as the TB waiting on a promised ICS release. Which means they aren't utilizing those dual core chips to their full potential anyways.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Hi all folks!

Anyone is on 2.3.5 Latam Vivo ROM?

Well, I'm on software update now and razr is looking for an update a few minutes already. Curious, I went to motorola website and finally there were an update software for Vivo Razr XT910.

Look: http://direct.motorola.com/PRL/SoftwareUpdateSummary.asp?country=BRA&language=PRL&web_page_name=SUPPORT&strCarrierId=Vivo&strPhone=XT910 - RAZR&strCable=Micro USB Data Cable&strURL=No URL

I'm in a buggy retail.br rom seted by motorola services. Yep, motorola has changed firmware version, and messed up.

Hope anyone can give a feedback about this.

Good luck!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Nobody?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cgomezparra:
yesterday, i tried to download the update, with this rom

6.5.1_73_SLC-25_SIGNLATAM_USASPYRETBRLA_P016_P019_A013_A014_HWp 2b_CFC_fastboot.xml.zip

and this rom

6.5.1-73_SLC-ME6.2_SIGNLATAM_USASPYDVIVBRB1B2B5B8B8LA022.0R_USA SPYVIVBR0LA_P007_A009_HWp2b_CFC_fastboot.xml.zip

and nothing happens, the program says that i have already the latest firmware, and then reboot the phone, i tried with the about phone menu, system updates too, is all the same, maybe you can download the ota file for us and put it here for testing purposes.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bruno Nunes:
I tried here, it shows just an update in motocast, nothing special.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] hmolleta:
no upadates

I was using RETAIL ROM there was no update, and them i flashed VIVO's ROM, and no update available!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
I think it was retrieved from OTA release. I got this update notice, visited motorola website, and found the update tool to Vivo phones. I''m stuck in retail.br rom replaced by motorola services and couldn''t grabb OTA file. Anyway, keep watching that and thanks.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bruno Nunes:
For me there was nothing in OTA, only found the update to motocast using software updater.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pulsarvp:
So is the Br.retail the most neglected version of the Razr? Neglected by Motorola, I mean. I have this phone for 2 months and no update has shown up.

I have a weak Wifi connection problem.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Yep. No update yet, but we will have one soon. :"Thanks