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[Asus Transformer TF700] tommedema:
I'm quite confident this thread (being the most obvious infinity discussion thread on the web) is actively being watched by Asus. It's not like they don't want to release it yesterday, there is always a reason.

To summarize the main concerns brought up in this thread:

> supply quantities (is it going to be out of stock just like the prime?)

> release dates for each region (will it release soon enough?)

> signal strength (is the plastic border enough?)

> HD screen (is it worth the price increase and battery life decrease?)

> price (is it going to outhpase the prime, or is it going to be even more expensive?)

> competition (with no significant RAM or CPU upgrades, will it still be competitive when it releases?)

> software (no more reboots etc. like with the original transformer?)

I'm sure the above has contributed to this product's future. Now all we can do is wait for more news.
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
>While I don't condone his communication style, I understand the frustration felt around this launch.

I'm not aware Asus has officially launched the TF700 anywhere. A preview does not equate to a launch. What we've seen are previews and sneak peeks.

>there are now many Asus [Prime] customers, who returned the Prime, and are in the market for a similar tablet that just works.

I'm curious: Why would Asus customers chase after the next great Asus toy, if the present toy had served them badly?

>Where I fault Asus is all the secrecy / non-disclosure around release date for the Infinity in North America

To mangle a phrase: Blame cluelessness before malice. If there were a good way to market the TF700 against the iPad, I'm sure Asus would be glad to hear it. IMO, it's still trying to figure it out, particularly for the NA market where price points are lower than in EU and elsewhere. Anyway, as said, TF700 has not launched.

>As dates have already been announced in Europe, this non-disclosure can't be a result of the device not being ready.

I'm not aware of any official dates being announced. Unofficial ones, yes. Regardless, because it's available in one region doesn't automatically mean that it'd be available everywhere. The NA market, while still the largest, is decreasing in importance relative to Asia.

IMO, what's at issue is simply one's (your?) inability to deal with his inner child. My prescription: Go outside.
[Asus Transformer TF700] undercover:
I apologise for a bit of ot, but how do I check it?
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5789/the-ipad-24-review-32nm-a5-tested

"The newer iPad 2,4 units should come with iOS 5.1 preloaded, while any older iPad 2,1 stock may have 5.0.1 or older. But the most accurate way to tell is by looking at what a utility like Geekbench will tell you about the hardware (Update: there are other free utilities that can serve the same purpose, Linpack and Battery Life Pro are two examples)"
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
go into ipad settings where it shows you what firmware version you on. if its not there, check on the sticker on your box where s/n is at. apple secretly made the A5 die size smaller and this version gets an extra 2 hours or so battery life out of it. this is the chip version you want. down the line apple will do the same for their new a5x chip to give it better battery life.

if you cant find that info on the tablet or box, just call up your retailer where you purchased it to find out. if you still within your return period, and dont have the new chip version, It would be a smart move to return the one you have now and get this new version. Its efficiency and improved battery life is more than worth the exchange.
[Asus Transformer TF700] David Dee:
>I'm not aware Asus has officially launched the TF700 anywhere. A preview does not equate to a launch. What we've seen are previews and sneak peeks.

"The ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity (or T-Prime HD, as I like to call it) will arrive on June 10th, costing €600 for 64GB of storage and will be WiFi only. The optional keyboard dock should carry the same €150 pricing." - How crafty of Asus to give specific pricing and dates for their "sneak previews".

>I'm curious: Why would Asus customers chase after the next great Asus toy, if the present toy had served them badly?

This one is a fair point, but with the back of the infinity having a non-metal strip, it is clear wifi and gps issue should be fixed.....Asus screwed up once, but those who have owned Asus before are well aware they make great products.

>To mangle a phrase: Blame cluelessness before malice. If there were a good way to market the TF700 against the iPad, I'm sure Asus would be glad to hear it. IMO, it's still trying to figure it out, particularly for the NA market where price points are lower than in EU and elsewhere. Anyway, as said, TF700 has not launched.

In marketing on the hardware side timing is a key component, lacking here. Their "cluelessness" is not aiding them. I don't really care what nomenclature you choose, so I will use yours: Another "sneak preview" for North America similar to Italy would be a good thing.

>I'm not aware of any official dates being announced. Unofficial ones, yes. Regardless, because it's available in one region doesn't automatically mean that it'd be available everywhere. The NA market, while still the largest, is decreasing in importance relative to Asia.

Right, so Asus sets up a large exhibition space in Milan, where they release prices and availability in Italy for the Infinity Pad, but this is unofficial? Not sure how much more official this can get? As far as regional availability, Asus can do as they please, it is a corporation accountable to its shareholders....I would argue it is accountable to its customers as well because if no one buys their products, the board will not sit still. Also, whatever global shifts are occurring, the US currently is still an elephant that cannot be ignored when compared to other markets around the world.

>IMO, what's at issue is simply one's (your?) inability to deal with his inner child. My prescription: Go outside.

Great you know me so well, this deep personal insight gives such credibility to your beliefs / arguments. Wow, I guess that comes from not following your own prescription which is evident given your post volume here.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tixed:
Btw, one potential reason that we don't hear any widespread uber-official release date right now is that ASUS for THIS TIME want to make it right: announce date when you can actually go to store and BUY one of their great tablets, not search manically on the ebay/amazon :) As I remember, that was the case with both tf101 and prime. In other words, first deliver the goods, then tell us when we can buy them.

Because, well, it's not enough to make great product and advertise it everywhere. Time between you hear about one released and get to buy one also affect popularity and amount sold greatly. Apple got this right, Samsung got this right too (not sure about HTC, but even here we have some of the new One series phones on the shelves, and I live in the frakking nowhere). ASUS sure has shown that it can learn from it's failures, maybe it's just time we see another lesson learned :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] David Dee:
Looks like they got that part right with the 300 launch, lets hope it is the same with infinity...
[Asus Transformer TF700] tixed:
Never really paid attention for 300 series. If it's really better now - good for them :) And for us, in foreseeable future.
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
>"The ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity (or T-Prime HD, as I like to call it) will arrive on June 10th, costing €600 for 64GB of storage and will be WiFi only. The optional keyboard dock should carry the same €150 pricing."

You should discern between rumor and fact. The above is a rumor promulgated by blogs, probably from informal chatter with Asus trade reps. If fact, please provide link to official Asus press release.

>Right, so Asus sets up a large exhibition space in Milan, where they release prices and availability in Italy for the Infinity Pad, but this is unofficial? Not sure how much more official this can get?

You have a misconception of what a product launch means. A launch entails an announcement with an actual date and pricing--from the source, not from blogs. The Milan exhibition is simply that, to showcase Asus' design chops in its upcoming tech products. "Infinity" is actually a design motif--characterized by the concentric circles--adopted by Asus for all of its products.

Anyway, last I checked, Milan isn't in Canada.

Here's a thought: Why not just wait until there is an actual announcement with launch date and availability for your region? Why get worked up over literally nothing?

>>My prescription: Go outside.

This isn't meant to deride. It's shorthand for "get a fresh perspective." I regret the abstruse sentiment.

We all know the drill of being fixated on shiny new toys. While I empathize that this is a forum full of early adopters to whom patience is an oxymoron, at some point you need to curb your immediate gratification impulses. Realize that the world doesn't end tomorrow if you don't get your toys, like, right freaking now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] FelipeRRM:
I'm really looking forward to this release date. Thing is I live in Brazil and things here cost 2.5x the price they cost on the USA, and I'm going to the USA on July 15th, and I had plans to get me one of those TF700. But I'm afraid that if they delay it again, I'll not be able to buy it =(
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
wow that will be exciting for you! Im hopefully going in august sometime, they better have released it by then!
[Asus Transformer TF700] cloudcult:
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum...

I recently realised that I needed a tablet so that I could reduce the use of my laptop, especially because I travel a lot, and I ended up breaking my laptop's screen, on the side, because of that.

Apparently the ASUS Infinity 700 seems to represent the best alternative to the New Ipad (which, for me, has too many limitations).

If I buy a tablet, there must be everything, so I'll definitely get the LTE version. The release date is 10th of June for Europe, but if I understood correctly, that is the release date for the wi-fi only version: is that correct?

When do you expect the LTE version to be released? I mean, according to your impressions... I know that details have not been disclosed yet.

I must say, I would never buy an Ipad, but as some of you already wrote, the wait is long, and I need a tablet as soon as possible... 10th of June is far enough, if I need to wait longer for the LTE... well that's annoying.

Also, I read on this forum that the Prime had a lot of issues... really? I mean, I would consider this purchase as an investment, something that lasts over time... I thought the Prime was a good tablet...

Thank you for commenting and providing your impressions.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
yes, only wifi version releasing initially. the LTE version is at least a month or so afterwards, at the earliest. they could always surprise everyone and release it earlier but no one knows for sure except Asus. the thing is, the Infinity pad LTE version is supposed to have the Qualcomm S4 chip in it. right now, the people who are making the chip for them is having serious problems meeting demand. Manufacturing issues on the 28nm process isn't moving as fast along as they initially thought.

As for the prime, it is a great tablet. yes there are some people who have issues. But there's also alot of us who simply love this tablet and its been performing great for us, for the most ;) prime is a wifi only version though. no LTE.
[Asus Transformer TF700] calypsoSA:
If the agents in my country are correct, then the LTE/3G version will only be here in September.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cloudcult:
Thank you demandarin!

What country do you live in? I'm in Switzerland (so it's possible for me to go to Italy, for example).

I'd have a couple of additional questions (I hope you don't mind :p ): I would definitely lean towards an LTE version (provided I don't give in to the temptation of buying a "lousy" Ipad because of the wait), however I'm not sure about the different chipset, the Qualcomm S4...

I would use the Infinity for random navigation, e-mail, video streaming (youtube, or any other video embedded in news articles, for example) skype (chat and video), maybe work (word, excel), video recording... but absolutely no video-gaming. Would the S4 be less effective than the tegra, for this kind of activities/tasks?

Last question: I read somewhere, and on Skype's forums, that video calls with Skype were not possible with the Asus Prime. Do you think they will fix this issue for the Infinity?

Thank you a lot! :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] RubenRybnik:
Hey all... So I've had my Transformer Prime for about 3 weeks now. I'm still very happy with it, but like many others have become a little frustrated with a couple issues. Now I have a C batch just FYI. Wifi is great, GPS sucks but I don't care, battery is great. My main gripe right now is slow disk IO issues causing unneeded "Force Close / Wait" dialogs. Many people are seeing this( theres a whole thread on it ) and doing things like uninstalling the "MissedIt" widget takes about 2 - 3 minutes ... seriously, lol.

Anyways, I'm wondering what you all think. Should I return the Prime to Bestbuy and get my full refund now, then wait for the Infinity? Do you think the Prime will get a fix for the IO issues? Or should I keep the Prime until the Infinity comes out, see if I can get enough money on a sale to cover the Inifinity and buy that( If I do this there is a chance I won't get enough for the Prime so I'll be stuck with it for a long while )

Anyways, just asking some opinions. I really do love the Prime just wish some patches would come out to fix the disk IO wait issues, which I think is the route of some browser force close prompts as well( although Browser2Ram.apk helps this ).

Oh yea, one last question. Does anyone know the latest news on when the Infinity is being released in the US? Probably only need the WiFi version, although I would love LTE, just another monthly bill... lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
whatever forum you read that at was wrong. Skype works perfectly on prime. I use it all the time to video chat.

Its more of a software issue. ICS & firmware needs further tweaking and optimization. people who have a 300 report same thing sometimes. so it isn't like the Infinity pad being created will magically fix this. it has same components as prime basically. we have people running custom roms and custom kernels who have significantly improved I/O speeds. For the FC, there's no way for anyone to tell what's really causing it without knowing your setup. Sometimes rogue/bad apps/Widgets can cause this. too many factors can be possibly causing it. Try a reboot or soft reset to see if it clears things up.

As for Infinity pad release date in U.S., there is none as of now. not even any mention that it will come to the u.s. at all. It will release overseas first. Rumored date is around end of June or so. if it does come to America also, expect it a month or 2 after overseas release. They might be trying to see how well it does or is received overseas first before they think of American release. If you just want to get an infinity pad based on assumption it will have better I/O speeds, you will likely be disappointed. Even the 300 has better/newer ram, DDR3, than prime and benchmarks have shown thats there's no improvement in memory performance vs. prime DDR2 RAM. Memory performance/I/O speeds will improve with further Asus firmwares and developers involvement. Developers here seem to know the mods/tweaks to do to improve on all of this.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cloudcult:
That's great! I'm relieved... I remember I read it somewhere and then double-checked it on skype's official forum, and there was a very long thread concerning that issue. I'm glad you said it's not the case :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] RubenRybnik:
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Thanks for the info. I know that IO stuff has been linked to software, just thinking ASUS may prioritize the fixing of this to the Infinity, however since you say the hardware is mostly the same I'm guessing the Infinity fix will most likely make it to the Prime.

I am running AOKP Milestone 5, with Motley's Generic Kernel with 1.8ghz clock, and have ran the V6 SuperCharger script. All this seems to help the day to day use, however file operations are still really slow( say unzipping a file with 2000 images in it is much slower on my Prime then it is on my SGSII ). The only other fix I'm aware of that I haven't tried yet is a thread I saw with some kernel modules, and one is specifically aimed to resolve IO issues, going to try that today.

In anycase, due to the, far off / unknown release data, the fact that it's unknown that it will actually fix anything IO related when it does come out, and the fact that I'm in love with a tablet that also has a keyboard dock :) I'll keep the Prime and await fixes as they come. Can't go without a tablet for several months, been using the Prime a ton every day, and loving it!

Thanks again for the info
[Asus Transformer TF700] undercover:
What you are talking about, are IO schedulers. NOOP sucks because it does not prioritises operations. Basically of you have a process consuming IO in the background and using browser, it will still gives priority to the one in the background because it was started earlier. It just uses basic queueing system. Other ones are better at that but worse at other things. Bad news. None of the available schedulers is created for Android, they are just Linux kernel, which is obviously created for pc. Wherever they are adjusted or not, I couldn't tell you.

Below is IMHO. Not forced on anyone.

Good news, other manufacturers do make it work, so unless there is underlying problem with hw (cheap ass IO related components with low spec) it should be fixable.

Similarity of components was what stopped me waiting for 300 or 700. They have potentially inherited the problem, so we can only rely on Asus or xda devs to fix it. Since development for tfp is so weak, I don't think devs will fix it (not undermining devs work) so we can only rely on Asus. And in the light of the TF201 launch, rely on the Asus we cannot.

Hope you'll be happy with whatever choice you make

Dem. Btw, I have iPad2 2,1,which is logical since its refurbished unit (just letting you know because ee had short conversation about it previously)
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
if people want to test out different I/O schedulers on prime, all they have to do is install ATP Tweaks. it allows you to set and enable other schedulers like CFQ or deadline. People can experiment with that to see if it benefits their particular issue with scheduling. most peoples gripes seem to stem from when apps download from the market. In default Noop, this causes slowdown alot of times since its given priority. what i don't get is when I can have a huge movie file downloading in opera mobile or any other browser or whatever and it doesn't slow the system down at all. I'm guessing marketplace functions or downloads given priority over everything else. people can experiment with the other schedulers to see if it improves that or other things. I remwber SaturnDe, creator of ATP tweaks, saying that CFQ was the best for for eliminating stalls/lags/freezes etc.. I never use it long enough to see the difference though.
[Asus Transformer TF700] krizbi:
TF700 in Swiss online shop Heiniger

There are several versions of TF advertised in the Swiss online shop Heiniger - even the 3G version. All have the shipping date "end of May".

I cannot post links but if you go to shop dot heinigerag dot ch and select the Telekommunikation -> Tablets -> Asus you'll be able to see the full listing. Can anyone who lives in Switzerland try to find out more details?
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
that date is not correct for 3g one, at least. that date you show is like an optimistic date of release. likely mid-late june for wifi only version. 4g version will be much later, likely delayed.
[Asus Transformer TF700] macowbourne:
I have just been out in Mexico used the prime for reading, using the kindle app, brightess no problem
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
Does anyone know of any good previews on youtube of the infinity that are unlisted? Maybe I havent seen them all =) I'd like to do some more drooling, but I need some new footage...
[Asus Transformer TF700] calypsoSA:
If anything, I think info on the device is becoming scarcer
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
Yeah, asus is keeping quiet bigtime. They probably wont have a stand at CTIA even...
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmoney94:
Huawei 10-inch MediaPad

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/huawei-10-inch-mediapad-hands-on/

Did you guys see this it has The 10-inch 1920 x 1200 IPS display
[Asus Transformer TF700] dagrim1:
Unfortunately scheduler doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference...

I notice IO being a whole lot slower for my TF201 compared to the SGS2 for example... I notice this when restoring titanium backups, I see it when running the RL SQLite benchmark, when installing apps from market, etc.

It just doesn;t look like an ICS issue (SGS2 is running ICS as well) and perhaps that might also explain the pretty damn slow boottime of the prime. (Again compared to sgs2 which takes like 25 secs max to boot to ICS while the prime takes over a minute.

Btw, my prime seems to be exceptionally crappy compared to regular benchmarks but after unlockign it and opening it extensivly (and carelessly) there's not much I can do about it wrt exchanging...
[Asus Transformer TF700] David Dee:
Looks very nice, but also no release date. So curious which of the three announced high resolution Android tablets will hit the market first...Infinity, A700 or Mediapad?
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
whats the a700?
[Asus Transformer TF700] undercover:
Acer a700
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
ahh right thx. isnt lenovo producing a high res pad as well?
[Asus Transformer TF700] David Dee:
A700

Interesting timing given our conversation above: I just found the Acer a700 up for pre-order on Amazon Germany for 479 Euros. Here is the link: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0081FD7UG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=netvertible-news-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1638&creative=19454&creativeASIN=B0081FD7UG
[Asus Transformer TF700] 3oudreaux:
Has any body else watched the video at http://www.asuseeepad.net/blog/2012...700t-infinity-details-pre-order-release-date/ I just noticed that it appears the sd card still sticks out a little bit as it does on the prime. I sure hope this is not the case with the ones released here in America. I've already lost one card due to this on the prime. :(
[Asus Transformer TF700] Arun01:
I've had to actually use a small piece of electric tape so mine won't fly out..sucks to have to do this but it works quite well.
[Asus Transformer TF700] 3oudreaux:
How, Wrapped around the card so it wedges in, or over the side of the prime?
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
That site you linked to states the memory as being ddr3, hope they are right. =)