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[Windows 8 General] AxelRoldos:
No one has explained why they dislike Metro? The only legitimate complaint i've read here so far is the issue with 4 reactive corners during particular gameplay.

Metro functions much the same way the start menu does.

I think you guys are finding it hard adapting to something new. That's all that's going on here. It isn't like they dropped functions, they just made Metro a really important part of the interface by absorbing the classic start menu.

The desktop function is still there as is the File Explorer. Really. Not much is different. The CP did just release, and no one is being fair that 1) It isn't even the final, like, you guys need to relax. 2) you guys aren't taking the time to get acclimated with the innovation. I know when I first started using Win8 I was like, "What the fu..." But now, after 4 days, can say that its not only quite functional, but more efficient then Windows' past.

This petition is just asking to put more work and possibility in fragmentation because you guys just don't want to learn something. You have to understand, Metro is the future of Windows, and in order for future iterations to be successful, and Windows itself, the experience has to be consistent and users have to learn to use it.

I am sorry to say, but if you guys don't like it, you really need to go back to Windows 7. Metro is not going anywhere.
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
Re Windows 8 Metro theme-

Well I will explain why I don't like the Metro theme. I have limited experience with computers. But I feel very comfortable with Windows XP and Windows 7.Because they are easy to use and the start menu makes it easy to find things.

I have installed Linux Mint 11 Gnome edition on one of my many netbooks and I am running it as the only operating system. And even Linux most versions have a start menu.And Linux Mint has the Windows style start menu and you can pin shortcuts to your desktop like on Windows.

I was using Windows 8 Developers Preview and there you could turn off the Metro theme and get the Windows 7 start menu with a registry edit. So Windows 8 DP works for many people because of this,although it was slower than Windows 7.

But Windows 8 Consumer Preview is a lot less user friendly. It is not user friendly at all. And the Metro theme and no start menu makes it difficult to use your computer so to speak. That makes a long story short. If you read my posts on both Windows 8 Forums and on Neowin Forums and Windows 7 forums under my user name. You will see why I hate Windows 8 CP and the Metro theme.

WINDOWS 8 NIGHTMARES PREVIEW it is. It is THE OPERATING SYSTEM THAT NOBODY CAN USE. Andrea Borman.
[Windows 8 General] ShadowEO:
But see, your comment about no start menu renders your complaint moot. The start menu is there just themed metro. From your desktop, follow me. Start -> Right click, All Apps. BOOM! If you'll notice, The start menu and it's Shortcuts. You can also still add custom shortcuts to your start menu by adding them to the folders applicable "C:\Users\<username>\Application Data\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu" (I think that's the right folders). Metro isn't bad. I actually like using it more than I did the start menu, The "Start Screen" is actually a lot faster. I mean you guys want the start menu, The Start Screen is a more informative version of it. You can still Pin Desktop applications, you can still search for specific Start Menu items. I feel that I should also mention that the last line of of your post could be construed as rabidly fanatic. Also on that point, I work with Ubuntu and Android daily (Ubuntu in a dual boot setup with Windows CP). Not all Linux interfaces have a start menu nor want one, I use Gnome-Shell and the Overview is just as fast for me as the Start Menu and Metro Start Screen.

Work with it, Use Windows 7 if your not a Metro fan. Don't ask Microsoft to mess up a revolutionary system with something that's old and dated.

TL;DR version:

Start Menu is still there, you can pin applications to it still, you can still search it and it's faster, It's the start screen.

You point out that the reason you don't like the Metro Theme is because it doesn't have a start menu, you also say you have limited experience with computers. From what I see, the only real reason you don't like is because it's not what your used to. Think about if you have never used nor seen Windows (I know, unlikely) till Windows 8, and you then got used to it and then your put in-front of a Windows XP system, It would be completely alien.

Just because your not used to it doesn't make it a bad interface, Work with it. Also, I agree with New-JerZ, It's just a preview, it's not even Final yet! You guys really aren't being fair.
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
Re Windows 8-

Well not having the start menu was not the only problem with Windows 8 CP. The ribbon in Windows Explorer froze my mouse. So I could not search for files or send short cuts to the desktop. And Windows 8 CP is very very slow and crashes.

And like a lot of Windows users I cannot work without my start menu. On Windows 8 DP you could disable the Metro theme and get the Windows 7 start menu back.And this also disabled the ribbon. And also even if you did use the Metro theme,which I did not. You still had the Windows XP start menu while in the Metro theme thanks to Classic Shell.

But you cannot disable the Metro theme at all on Windows 8 CP. There are two programs that will give you back the Windows 7 start menu.V Start brings back both the start orb and Windows 7 start menu in Windows 8 CP. But it does not do this automatically.

First you have find the hidden all programs folder, and link it to it, before this will work. And as it is hidden I could not find it. Start Menu 7 also brings back the Windows 7 start menu. But none of these two software will disable the Metro theme. So even though you will have the Windows 7 start menu,you will still have to have the Metro theme.

If not having the start menu was the only reason for not using Windows 8 CP. I would just install V Start and that would solve the problem. But just about everything is wrong with this version of Windows-Windows 8 CP as I mentioned.

My advice is if you have not tried Windows 8 Consumer preview,don't bother. Or you will uninstall it like I did and go back to Windows 7. Andrea Borman.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Oh how amusing this tread is.

Its quite amazing how much FUD is out there about windows 8, in fact id go as far as saying its getting slatted as much as windows phone 7 did. Both of those OSs are actually very good, sadly the biggest failing of MS has been is lack of ability to combat FUD being spread by XP die hards, the great un-washed, and apple fan boys! its a real shame.

Firstly as already pointed out, there isnt much difference between windows 7 as people seem to think, its all there, it just looks different and is in fact a very efficient way of working once you get the hang of it.

For instance, you use desktop for all those programs you need to use, flick over to metro to get an instant snap shot of anything you have setup, its more like a mobile phone desktop, it shows you a lot of info in a small amount of space in an instant, when your done (which only takes seconds!) flick back to desktop to carry on working.

All your old programs will work, all the new ones will work so what exactly is the problem?

My other big gripe with this is people installing it, then ditching is straight away.

Lets be VERY clear on someing

YOU SIGNED UP TO TEST THIS!!!!

SO TEST IT!!!​

no ones forced you to use it, but if you want to download it and install it then actually do what MS is asking of you and thats TEST it, feedback your comments and actually make a difference rather than spread yet more FUD around the world and corrupting other peoples views with your lack of understanding. When i say feedback i mean via the many many feedback links within the OS an not posting your uninformed opinions across the web on as many forums as you can get your hands on, feeding this anti MS wave of subjective comments.

TO be clear, there are issues with it, corners are a bit of a pain, especially if you have multi monitors, which is also another problem, id like to move metro to a secondary monitor, this could be fixed by changing the priority of the monitors but this has other compliactions when programs are designed to use that monitor by default. Another issue is around desktop clutter (can be worked around by pinning) Metro Clutter, (this could do with some grouping tiles)

other than that and lack of drivers just now (it is a beta!) its actually pretty good, id use it for my everyday system were it not for it missing Media centre and my sound card drivers not working.

Such as? youve only mentioned the metro UI and lack of start button?
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
Well if you read my posts you will see what I mean but I will explain it more clearly.

Having no start menu is the main problem with Windows 8 Consumer Preview.

No option to disable the Metro theme big problem.

The ribbon tool bar in Windows Explorer froze my mouse up. So I could not pin short cuts to the desktop or access my files.

The whole Metro theme and start menu is a lot less user friendly, and more difficult to use than the Metro theme in Windows 8 DP ever was.

You cannot even log into Windows 8 easily because you have to slide the log on screen picture out of the way with your mouse to do it. Like drag and drop which is difficult. We are using a computer and a laptop, not an I Pad.

I don't know what an I Pad is.

Windows 8 CP is very very slow and crashes a lot.

The Metro apps don't work anyway as my netbook screen resolution is 1024x6000 pixels which is the highest it will go. So the whole Metro theme is pointless. True you can still use your own software that you installed yourself and it works. But without the normal start menu it is difficult to find things. And you cannot shut down your computer quickly in an emergency. Because without the start menu you cannot access the shut down button.

I had to pull out the batteries to shut down my netbook. I should not have had to do that.

The Metro theme eats up a lot of energy and slows Windows down. The Aero theme on Windows Vista and Windows 7 never does.

Verdict-one uninstall coming up.

I have already uninstalled Windows 8 CP and gone back to Windows 7.Windows 8 CP is a terrible operating system. The worst operating system I have ever tried. Andrea Borman.
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
Well first of all, all the stability issues / crashes / mouse freezes are either because it's beta Software which just will have bugs and probably more likely due to the fact that you pull your batteries to shutdown your netbook. The start menu is different, but not necessarily more difficult to use, those who have extensively read the B8 blog Posts will know the Advantages of Metro and will learn to appreciate it. Take for instance Keyboard usage of the start menu: It has not changed one bit, except for the fact that the larger Screen estate allows you to see more important stuff. (WinKey -> Search (e.g. "notepad") -> enter. On single Monitor Setups (as dazza has mentioned Multi Monitors still have their quirks, though a certain gesturish circle that bumps the corner does the trick) the mouse works extremely efficiently, even on trackpads, because you basically have a mouse gesture of moving your mouse into the Corners and then either up or down depending on which Corner you are using.

Also as usual you dismiss Metro because you can't and therefore havent tried it, you have only tried the start menu. There is still a way to shutdown (I would like to see it below the log off button when you click your user) by bringing up the charms bar on the right, clicking on Settings (can also be reached with Win+I) and clicking power. You can also very quickly shutdown using ctrl+alt+del. Ctrl+alt+del is also what you can use instead of swiping up that lock Screen thing to log in.

Lastly my impression of Windows 8 is that it is loads faster than Windows 7, both to use and with all the Performance upgrades, including changes in the Desktop window Manager (im guessing this is thanks to metro), just look at how fast the UAC prompts now show up. Memory usage has also gone down and I beleive this (and other improvements, including what has been done on services) affects battery life in a positive way.

So Andrea Borman, get a Laptop that is Windows 8 and especially Metro compatible, test it properly, learn to use it and certainly don't give up because you can't find things. You are obviously also not the most Computer literate, judging by the fact that you couldn't think of a singly way to shutdown windows… and your failure to try to adapt will ofc lead you to not liking the product.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Fed44, i couldnt be bothered writing all that so thanks :)

So, to sum it up, you have UI problems

And hardware issues due to incompatibility.

For the record, its generally considered to be the fastest most stable version of windows todate, even in its beta form and from the hardest Win8 critics out there

So i stand by my point, you dont like Win because you have UI issues and cant adapt to it.

I agree it has issues, but almost none of what you mentioned i consider a major problem considering its BETA, as i said, if your going to download it and test it, then test it for a reasonable amount of time and learn to use it.

If i gave you an SQL server to play with, would you bin it because it was "crap" (you didnt understand how to use it) or would you learn to use it...
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
Re windows 8-

Well the truth is that I hate the Metro theme. If they would make Windows 8 like Windows Vista and Windows 7 or the other versions of Windows. That is with a normal start menu and desktop then I would not mind upgrading.

But this Windows 8 is not like that. When I was using Windows 8 Developers Preview it was not so bad. Because you could disable the Metro theme and have the Windows 7 start menu and desktop. Which I did do. But you cannot do this on Windows 8 Consumer Preview.

When the members on Neowin forums told me on a thread called"Windows 8 as your only OS." That in Windows 8 CP I would not be able to disable the Metro the or use Classic Shell which gives you the Windows XP start menu. I thought they were just Winding me up.

Until I installed Windows 8 CP and found out that to my shock and horror I could not disable the Metro the and Classic Shell no longer worked in CP. Microsoft really should have made Windows 8 CP like Windows 8 DP. But they have now crippled the OS.

And most of the members on Neowin forums are for the Metro theme not against it.So you won't get any sympathy on that forum for loosing your Windows 7 start menu.

WINDOWS 8 NIGHTMARES PREVIEW is a good name for Windows 8 CP. And nightmares it is. Because if they stop selling Windows 7 like they did with Windows XP and Windows Vista. And we are forced to buy Windows 8. Most people including me will not be able to use a computer any more.

I think it is time for use to go to our President or Prime Minister and The European Court Of Human Rights.

Hopefully they will be sympathetic. And the inventor who invented that useless Metro theme and took away our start orb and start menu will be sentenced to life in prison. And they will ban Windows 8.

And we will get our start menu back and even get Windows 2000,Windows XP and Windows Vista back on the sale in the shops. That will make everybody happy. Andrea Borman.
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
You act like Windows 8 is completely different to Windows 7 and Claim it is crippled. The Desktop part of Windows 8 is virtually identical with the use of the Metro start menu being the main different aspect.

Yet Windows 8 is fully functional, the Metro start menu does not strip away with any Features. As I mentioned before, using it with a Keyboard has only become better and using it with a mouse is virtually the same, you click in the bottom left corner and get access to the most common apps that are directly pinned to the start menu and the rest being easily accessible by showing "All Apps".

Why don't you instead of asking for violent acts to be executed against the developers of Windows 8, who certainly offer better arguments than you do, try to explain your Problem and maybe we can help you to use Metro more efficiently, so that you too can enjoy it?

Try to answer:

- What is your Setup (resolution, multi-monitor, kb/mouse or touchscreen...)?

- How did you Launch your apps in Windows 7?

- How many apps do you generally Need Access too?

- What is it about Metro that disturbs you?
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
Re Windows 8-

I hate the Metro theme and I want a Windows with a normal Windows start menu and desktop. Like Windows 7,Windows XP and all the other versions of Windows have got.

The only right thing Windows users can do is avoid Windows 8. Unless they make it like Windows 7. I am going to stock up on both Windows 7 laptops and Windows 7 full installation CDs to avoid being stuck with the dreaded Windows 8.

Then I will have enough Windows 7 laptops and Windows 7 CDs to use Windows 7 for the next 50 years or more. And so I will never be stuck with Windows 8 when my laptops wear out.

They also say that there may be secure boot put on new Windows 8 laptops. Does that mean we won't be able to install Windows 7 over Windows 8? Which is what I would want to do. Andrea Borman.
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
Ok, so just to get this straight: Your Setup is a netbook with a 1024x600 Screen resolution. You don't Launch applications, you simply sit in front of your Computer and hate Windows 8. Thus your typical application usage Count is 0. And the only Thing that disturbs you about Metro is that you hate it?

You most certainly are Fitting into a cliche of being a stubborn user. No arguments, you don't want help, you don't test things properly, you constantly rant (but mainly with words and not content), you certainly don't seem like a very Computer literate user(why the f*** are you installing betas), ...? Instead of mentioning the fact that you hate Windows either respond to the questions I asked or forever be silent.

P.S.: you can't even Bing(or Google if you must) secure boot, and you obviously have no clue…

P.P.S.: stocking up won't Change the fact that Support will end after x years (certainly less than 50)
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
They say that they are going to end support for Windows XP in 2014 but they may not do. I have got Windows XP netbooks and I plan to carry on using Windows XP long after the support ends. If my laptops are still working then.

And I will also carry on using Windows 7 for 50 years or more. In England you can no longer buy Windows XP or Windows Vista laptops unless you buy reconditioned or second hand. But I will still buy Windows Vista if I can find a good Windows Vista laptop.

Windows Vista is slower than Windows XP and Windows 7. But at least you have got a start menu. And even on Linux and Ubuntu you have got a start menu.But on Windows 8 CP,you have got nothing,no start menu.

If they release the final version of Windows 8 with no start menu and no option to disable the Metro theme. It won't just be me that won't be able to use a computer any more.It will be millions of other people as well.

Most home computer users and even office workers won't understand the Metro theme.

I hope that the person who put up the petition which I have signed wins. And Microsoft back down and let us have the option of the Windows 7 start menu and desktop. It is what I and most Windows users want. Andrea Borman.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I think i can see why youve been going through so many forums with this "issue"

Look, things change, its a fact of life, you talk about the start menu being some amazing invention that can not be bettered. But as a professional computer user i have used the start menu less and less over the last few years since Vista. The reason is the search bar.

typing the name of the program is that much quicker then sifting through a never ending list of programs. That is development, that is change which is believe it or not is better for you.

Metro has taken that to the next level and i have to admit it has taken a while to get the hang of it but now im there and its actually very very good. As already mentioned, metro IS just a big start menu with more infomation on it.

You talk about Windows 8 and not being able to disable metro as a bad thing?

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps, just maybe MS was forced in to doing this for EXACTLY the reason you want to do it, because people like you would disable it and not test it as YOU signed up to do

To be honest, there is little point continuing this conversation unless you do both of the following,

A - Tell us what it is about it that you dont understand and cant get used to (given that you binned it after a few moments without any thought i doubt this is an option)

B - Take a more mature look at things and be open minded to change

If you cant do both of those then i suggest you dont sign up to be a software tester any more, its a waste of bandwidth and a waste of time of people like us who do test things propperly and want to talk in a mature informed way about it.

Win 8 isnt perfect yet, but not for the reason you talk about.

edit: I apologize for emplying your not mature (ie a 12 year old kid) but i stand by the point for whatever reason, your not taking a mature look at this.
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
I should have known that you are still an XP supporter… anyway XP Support will end in 2014 and that is a good Thing. Many corporations have already upgraded to Windows 7 and anyone who doesn't should, but hey, he who doesn't wan't to listen can wait for the first Virus that causes a complete downtime for a few weeks. Maybe that would be enough to listen?

You forgot the most obvious and most important, app pinning!

While that is true, it will confuse them, I am very much sure that there will be diverse tours/guides for Computer illiterate people (like you, Andrea Bormann) that will help new users to get used to the new interface. Remember that Win8 is in a beta state, and therefore it's user base is supposed to be for people who know what a Computer is and how to use them. Infact I am sure such guides would be able to teach you the new Metro Interface faster than the time you spent ranting here...
[Windows 8 General] Andrea Borman:
Windows 8-

I first learned to use a computer in 2006. When I learned from the person sitting next to me in an Internet cafe. Before that I did not know how to use a computer. I used to use Internet cafes where they have Windows XP.

Then I got my first home computer in April 2010,a Windows 7 netbook. At that time I did not even know there were different versions of Windows. You know,Windows XP,Windows Vista and Windows 7. And as Windows 7 is near enough the same as Windows XP. Apart from the transparent Aero theme. And of course it has a start menu,I could use it.

Then I got the last 2 brand new Windows XP netbooks they had in the store. So I have now got several Windows 7 and Windows XP netbooks. I had Windows a Windows Vista laptop. But that was second hand and it broke.The hard drive went.

I have also install Linux Mint 11 Gnome edition as the only operating system on one of my netbooks that used to have Windows 7. But now runs Linux Mint as the only OS. And that has a start menu. It is ironic that Linux,which is for more advanced computer users has a start menu. But Windows 8 CP does not.

A lot of people don't like Windows 8 with it's no start menu and the Metro theme. and wish Microsoft would offer an alternative. And they could just give us the normal Windows 7 start menu and desktop. But Microsoft don't care and they won't do this.

My worst nightmare is being stuck with Windows 8. With the Metro theme and no start menu. Which I cannot figure out how to use.

So WINDOWS 8 NIGHTMARES PREVIEW sure does live up to it's new name. It is-THE OPERATING SYSTEM THAT NOBODY CAN USE.

And it is for sure that if you try Windows 8 CP,YOU won't be able to use it either. You won't. Andrea Borman.