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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Even I'm getting tired of the "debate"... And GPS was a deciding factor for me originally.

This is all I have to say to those who say GPS functions at all in the Prime like it should (I realize some are exceptions... but I don't think the majority of people are doing so well)...

Please take notice the Prime has WiFi on, and the phone is in freaking Airplane mode!

vs.

*EDIT:

So unless I want my geo-tagging to be 36 - 138 feet off, it does not even work for location!

And I've had my Prime apart, with an external antenna I get 16-18 birds in view with 15 in use.

I'll mod, but damn do I empathize with all those who just want to buy a device and the damn thing work like it was advertised to.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
The reason I want fully functioning GPS is because, when I purchased mine, it said "GPS" ! Nowhere did it mention "So-So GPS" , "Limited GPS" or "Craptacular GPS" but, "GPS" !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrmark93:
So what did you prove, besides the fact that you have no idea how GPS works ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Do enlighten me, oh great wizard :bow:

I know that with data on, the Prime's aGPS should fly fine. And doesn't.

And I know that with it off (I don't think my phone is aGPS, is it? -*EDIT: it is, but has standalone capabilities) on my phone, it still flies...

But really, sarcasm aside, please beat the understanding into my hard ass skull!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xGary:
Since when did this become a businessmen thing? Pretty sure the Prime's target audience were not businessmen.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrmark93:
I took your post to read that the ATP GPS reception signal strength would be affected by having your WiFi turned on. The 'WiFi' portion of

(a)ssisted GPS simply tells the GPS processor which satellites should be overhead in the 'general' area location determined by WiFi location. After that point the GPS is completely on it's own to determine which satellites it should be paying attention too (via info in the GPS signal stream). If there is no WiFi to (a)ssist the GPS processor, it finds out which satellites are overhead and keeps track of the ever-changing 12 satellites that it could possibly 'see'... all by itself-as does every other GPS does without the benefit of WiFi assistance. The 'WiFi' part of the equation simply speeds the initial acquisition of satellite signal. You can repeat your test on your ATP with WiFi turned off (test from ATP being completely powered off)...other than the ATP taking longer to acquire satellite signals, you'll find no difference in signal strength--your test may have different signal strengths due to different weather, different satellites, and different satellite locations--all of which are BIG variables in the level of signal reception.

Why Asus decided that a 'fix' to the ATP's GPS issues was to tie WiFi engagement to the GPS being activated was not a 'fix' in the least.

Cliffs:

Wifi 'assist' gives the GPS 'coarse' location info at beginning of signal acquisition.

Never set the sarcasm aside; we all need more! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Huh? In the end.. all you did was... "yes buxtahuda, Prime's GPS sucks... "

And basically went over.. you can't have aGPS without GPS to begin with...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Yeah, lol.

I guess let me expand.

The phone locked on in airplane mode in two seconds. I could see 2 satellites under a metal roof.

Same day as the phone, just a bit after. This took three minutes... This does not change too much with WiFi on, cuts it down a bit above half.

On a side note, not only did .15 introduce my first random reboot. It is now giving me my very first graphical glitches on the OS level.. How lovely :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrmark93:
Actually ATP has one of the newest GPS reception chips out there, has both US and Russian GPS satellite reception, and reading through Erusmans (sp?) modifications, proves that with a decent antenna design the thing does VERY well. And my point was valid that WiFi on or off GPS signal strength is the same--Buxtahuda said that his ATP prime with WiFi on was weaker in comparison to his phone with WiFi off (airplane mode)--my point was there was no meaning in the WiFi component. There are different forms of what is referred to as aGPS... more marketing malarky, but yes, in marketing terms, you can have aGPS without GPS--as Asus proved, if it isn't marketed as a device with GPS, there is no problem with that functionality being completely neutered by having a beautiful back cover plate.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mubble:
I simply don't understand that argument.

It almost sounds like (and I am probably wrong here) but you really have an issue with the poor GPS even though its something you'd never use on your Prime.

I have poor GPS. I couldn't care less if the box it came in had "world's best GPS device" in huge letters. I neither want, need or care for GPS on a tablet.

But perhaps you do need GPS for some reason - business navigation maybe? Do you not have GPS and navigation on your phone or tomtom?

Oh and technically nowhere did it ever say "fully functioning GPS". It states GPS, and that's what its got. But I'm just being picky.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
No, IMO you're being kind of a callous douche (pardon me).

That doesn't make everything OK, just because you're OK and can rationalize away full functionality.

I've stated it before, there's kind of an expected function for all these. That is, even though mileage will most definitely vary, any Android device I pick up should act relatively the same. If one says GPS and can locate and navigate, and then many others also do it and list the spec similarly, then why should this one be allowed to perform so far below par. I mean, on the best day location still thinks I'm somewhere I'm not, and I don't even bother with navigation because the few locks will quickly vanish.

Don't say you have a new TV and then show me a 50" CRT that takes up a cubic meter.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Can't have aGPS without GPS... that's called Geo-location.. which isn't GPS.

Anyways, yes.. GPS signal strength should be the same.. with or without once it finds some satellites..

However, wasn't he pointing out the difference between his SMARTPHONE and PRIME's GPS signal? And how the pretty backplate of Prime is basically making PRIME's Broadcomm GPS with Glonass support as useless?

Either way, we both agree on the GPS part... we just took Buxtahuda in different perspective/view.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Obviously there's at least one more factor other than the backplate since some people are able to keep some kind of signal while in motion wthout any mods, but yes, that's the point.

I love the look and my Prime, wouldn't trade it for anything, but they advertised the hell out of the Prime including its GPS (which like all other modern GPS devices should be able to navigate), made the pre-order sales and started shipping them; then within two weeks of more sales say "Oops. Well, sorry guys, but really the GPS sucks so bad on so many devices, we're just not supporting it anymore. Happy life!"

It's not OK. At all. We wouldn't be all peachy if we bought a 2012 fully loaded Whatever and we're presented with one which is: except that the promised Bose system with an in-console subwoofer is being completely muffled by the design team's brilliant idea to put solid foam panels instead of speaker grates. You're not going to say "Oh well, I have an iPod, who needs it anyway!" You're going to say "F* THAT! I just paid xxxxx.xx dollars for this car and damnit where's my stereo!?"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
It's great that you do not have a problem with the lack of GPS functionality on a product that advertised GPS as a feature !

I however believe in getting what I paid for, whether I use the feature or not and last time I checked My phone, Droid Charge, TomTom's or Garmins don't advertise "Fully Functioning GPS" but advertise "GPS", just like Asus did !

If you can find an ad from one of the above mentioned, stating on the spec sheet, " FULLY FUNCTIONING GPS" instead of "GPS", I'd sure like to see it !

Oh and technically, nowhere did it say "Limited GPS Functionality" !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] acidus.:
OP originally posted anyone using the GPS on the Prime must be a businessman. Specifically a pizza delivery guy business man, haha funny.

He later changed his post to say, the only use for a GPS would be a pizza delivery guy.

Someone wanting to geo-tag a photo, a blog, a Latitude, Facebook or even just for the heck of it... WAY BEYOND his comprehension. Don't be hard on him, he might be special needs and that is so not politically correct now-a-days (eg don't call him a retard).

I will be using my Prime tomorrow to recon search areas for a girl missing since the end of December. The area is hundreds of acres, 36' accuracy is fine for my needs. I have offline maps, will drop pins where foot search is possible or impassible, and when I get back to my desktop will create actual search maps for the teams.

Prime is my choice. I had an iPad that worked for this, but was very difficult to see in daylight.

Search and Rescue, in this case Search and Recovery, was way beyond OP's ability to imagine. For OP's benefit, I'll be doing this in a Land Rover, something he'll never have... unless his mommy or daddy buys it for him.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ickk:
lol I didn't change anything... first post is the same, any edits would be grammatical fixes :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] acidus.:
OMG, wish I had quoted you first time.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ickk:
wut.

why would I need to change it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] acidus.:
You tell us, but you did.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ickk:
this is creepy..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Spidey01:
Good luck to you and the teams acidus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nswalls:
field uses for prime

My company is primarily concerned with the GIS field- but we also focus on field data capture. In this case, we are looking at purchasing a TFP for stormwater management facility inspections. Take the TFP to the site, using custom forms built for Android, linked via Cellica dbase app to our base, inspect the facility and directly input the data with the TFP. Upon return to base or next wireless hotspot, Cellica automatically pushes the field data to our servers. Oh, and the GPS will be used, but not heavily relied up for accuracy (everything is already geolocated).

And that is the tip of the iceberg for our planned commercial uses for the TFP...just thought yall might like to see how it is being used commercially...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Lack of imagination or wit on your part does not mean that such uses do not exist.

As evidenced by most of this thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ickk:
First legitimate post I've seen for feild use. Instead of porting things to android, Wouldn't it be more efficient to use vmware across a company wan (or vpn?)?

I can understand this use over a search & rescue use. If my daughter is lost/kidnapped I'd feel more at ease knowing the crew had fulling functioning gps to accurately search for her... but for your application of it, the tfp's gps seems like it would suffice.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skyterrier:
All of us don't get to the office the same way; they say a picture is worth a 1,000 words:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
andFor the love of god folks, the Prime's GPS is just plain busted.

I finally was able to test it recently too. I was attempting to take my mom to a Barnes and Nobile store that was in an area that I didnt know exactly, instead of using my car's navigation system I had the store location already mapped on Google Maps from the Prime. So I had my mom hold the Prime and watch it, soon as we drove off the driveway the navigaion on the Prime was like "SATELLITE LOST!".

Luckily my mom had her HTC phone also set to navigation on Google maps. That little thing coached us with turn by turns all the way to the mall where the Barnes and Nobile shop was at. Meanwhile the navigation on the Prime's was showing the route arrow still at the house while the HTC phone was just flowing, by the time we got to the mall it must have reconnected with the Satellite because it screamed "DESTINATION REACHED" and the blue arrow jumped from the house to the mall.

I cant say I was surprised or shocked, it was a little funny though to be honest. Knowing the Transformer Prime will lead you lost if you rely on it for emergencies. :o
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seigex:
Sorry but you are passing bad information so I have to set the record strait on how GPS works.

"Google's location service" uses wifi hot spot mac addresses at pre-determined locations from Google StreetView cars installed with wifi receivers and gps receivers, maintaining the data in a database to create the hotspot map. Remember the hubub about google collecting wifi data?

You're thinking of downloaded emphemeris data. Typically when a receiver connects to a GPS it scans the known GPS frequencies for a signal, locks onto one GPS satellite, identifies that satellite, and downloads the latest emphemeris almanac. The GPS receiver then uses that to get known location of other nearby satellites in a Medium Earth Orbit (since they're not in fixed orbits) then uses the known frequency for the satellites to lock onto them before it can start to triangulate the signal to receive a location based on emphemeris data telling it which where a satellite is based on the almanac's lat/log for those satellite at that moment and based on the time it takes signal to get from the satellite to the receiver, decides where it's location is. The reason there's a delay in initial fix is because of the time it takes to download that almanac. Also you need 3 satellites to get a 2D location (x/y axis only (lat/long)) and 3D location to get altitude (z axis) using 4 satellites.

aGPS uses uses a cellular modem in the device to connect to cell towers and download that same almanac information and provide accurate current time from aGPS servers on the cell towers to determine where the satellites are in space at that given point in time. aGPS only works on devices with cellular radios that link to aGPS enabled cellular towers.

ASUS tried to fix this by simulating the aGPS by downloading the emphemeris data off the internet when connected to wifi, but this only works if the transformer is connected to the internet, and in no way helps the GPS if the chip can't get the proper signal also if not connected to a wifi hotspot.

tl;dr

WIFI location services is NOT aGPS, but completely different and allows for a pseudo GPS location in lieu of a true fix (or sometimes instead of) and really has nothing to do with GPS

While the Prime has an aGPS chip, it does not use true aGPS, but ASUS attempted to simulate aGPS that only helps when having internet connection.

and as an anecdote, when using my phone as a wifi hotspot, and having wifi location services turned on on my TF201 or TF101, it will always say I'm at a specific place in the center of town, where a Google Map Car happened to pick up my wifi signal while I was waiting at a light. So using Wifi Location Services at the same time as having my hotspot on is useless for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chivas228:
I use my prime for work and and play. My GPS works fine and so does my wifi. Maybe I got lucky with a BB build.

I actually do use the GPS as I am relatively new to Houston and when I need to meet with a supplier or client, I would use Google navigtion (or maps before heading out).

Would a business person need a working GPS? If they are traveling every so often, yeah. If you got a job (and not a career) you might not need it at all.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
this is meant to be used while driving. Have you tried this yet?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I simply don't get why people need to justify & give a reason to use specific device? Simply by choice, depending on situation or simply by "personal" choice, PEOPLE use TABLETS for navigation. Doesn't that reason alone justify & is a LEGITIMATE reason to use Transformer Prime for NAVIGATION GPS device since ASUS advertised as such at launch??

Majority of the 1st gen. of Android Tablets have very capable GPS for navigation (heck, some didn't even advertise it and it works well). Some simply dislike carrying multiple device, some just.. by personal choice prefer dumbphone over smartphone, and some just prefer a device that is "jack of all trades" in order to save money. To those who travel often, Tablets are the perfect device to carry around as it solves many functions (including GPS as navigation) & it leaves their phone open to make/receive calls... not to mention, Tablets in general have much better battery over smartphones.

Anyways, it's a personal choice ... that reason alone should be enough for "LEGITIMATE" reason that you are looking for.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chivas228:
Yes. I have. I was somewhere in Stafford one day and wanted to know the fastest way to U of H (HQ is right next door). Driving a BKO, I had a big enough flat dash to place the Prime up in the Moca case and found using 90 to 610 to 288 to 45s is now my preferred route into the office all using the Google navigation so yeah, it does work well on the road for me.

I basically have a 10.1 inch GPS in the truck now. LOL
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mrmark93:
Google's WiFi location info + WiFi downloaded Emphmeris data tells the GPS chip which satellites should be overhead based on time & location...allowing the receiver to look first for those satellites that should be overhead--speeding up initial or 'cold' lock. I didn't spell out the details but those two bit's of info = 'coarse location'. And, yes, the GPS can do this completely on it's own without the WiFi 'help'...as every GPS receiver does.

aGPS is indeed a similar but different system of location like Google's WiFi location, and this tablet cannot access true aGPS information...yet Asus printed it in every marketing place they could. I didn't want to start the argument that this tablet doesn't have aGPS, because the folks here don't seem to process information logically... if you've read even 1/4 of the threads here talking about GPS 'tests'... nearly every one of them believe that whatever signal they are reading inside any structure has relevance as to the quality of the instrument they are reading it on. I have several sensitive GPS receivers and a fairly normal wood stick house and there's only one place in the building that GPS signals (very weak) can be received--I certainly don't blame the receivers.

I do apologize if I left out a few technical details along the way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vdelab:
Hi all,

my bit of thought on the GPS possibilities...

Even though I have other means to use GPS (which I do a lot, with my HTC HD2)) for navigation and that I knew before buying the prime that its GPS is crappy, I 'think it is a shame that such a product does not have GPS.

It is like always, the capability creates the need.

Now that I have the prime, if it would have a good GPS, for sure I would use it, because I like the big screen.

I saw previous post showing usage like emergency search, plane Nav, I could had boat navigation...

This is all hypothetical, since Prime GPS is not operational.

Imagine buying a TV that connects to internet...Frankly, before, I never used a TV to connect to the net... But the fact that it can, I connected it (only for firmware upgrade). And if it would not have worked, for sure I would have complained....

So I keep hoping something nice will happen to GPS on the Prime...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
That's my thought on it, more or less. Thank you.

But, considering the way ASUS dropped the spec and throw their pathetic 'not a professional GPS' statement around, I don't see anything happening.

Honestly we're extraordinarily lucky we can even still choose to use our GPS and that all they did was remove it from quick-settings. They could have disabled it altogether with s/w and required you to void your warranty and rely on dev's to even see if you had a working module. So they didn't quite take the Sony route, they're just bordering a little too close for my likes.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Golgotha theskull:
Hey guys I have a mytouch that my friend gave me that was exsposed to water. It will boot up to the splash screen and stay there, it seems almost like software issue. With that being said I was wondering what advice you could give to get it working I'm thinking I could flash a new Rom on there and see if that works, the issue is is that it is still s on and I work more with the vivow is there anyway to to s off without booting and install clockwork recovery any help would be appriciated thanks -golgotha
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] d3athb4dishonor:
If he's got insurance send it in... If not find a local cell pnone repair, there on craigslist usually you can find someone to fix it no problems.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] 757VaPtown:
Are you able to boot in recovery?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Golgotha theskull:
I can get into the bootloader and stock recovery but I need s off to do an adv push of clockwork mod or am I wrong on that
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Golgotha theskull:
Bump
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Here is a little secret I will let you in on. This coming from experience on fixing phones. Do this.

1st disassemble the phone. You may need a t5 or t6 screwdriver. Don't need to seperate the digitizer from the bezel. Just strip it down so you can access the circuit boards.

2nd get a very copious amount of isopropil alcohol and a small brush. There will also be a part of the main board that has a metal cover over it. Pry those off carefully. Once you stripped it down, brush the alcohol over all of the circuitboards and connections. What this will do is break the corrosion off the circuits. Believe me it is there even though you can't see it. Let the phone sit for about a day so that it can be completely dried.

3rd reassemble and then power up. It should work like it is new.

I did this twice in the last month. Once to a iPhone 3gs (it was my brother's I wouldn't have done it otherwise) and a mytouch 3G slide. Both worked like New afterward.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] yogi2010:
what is your hboot version? if it is 1.44.0007, have you tried running Revolutionary to S-OFF? i am not sure if it would work tho if you can't boot into the system.

your other hope is to flash the newer stock firmware file, and at least be able to boot into the newest stock ROM. after that you you wouldn't be able to S-OFF, but you could use the HTC unlock tool, and be able to root, and flash ROMs. if it comes to this, try the steps here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1508406, dowloading the stock firmware file and flashing it as instructed there.

hopefully this helps ya.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Believe me it's not a software issue. It's a corrosion issue. You can load all the software you want and it will still mock you. The mytouch 3G slide acted the exact same way. Once brushed it with alcohol it worked like new.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] yogi2010:
yeah, i guess we were writing at the exact same time. i thought maybe it sounded like a bootloop, although you generally don't get bootloops if you haven't rooted and flashed something wrong. and water damage probably wouldn't lead to a software issue.

but anyway, hopefully the device can be made to work again. thanks for the tips!