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[Asus Transformer TF700] fatpandas:
worst part would be that they come out with the new super spec'd stuff and you get to wait another 1/2 year for release.

i know they're trying to build up excitement but at this rate, it's actually just getting annoying and making me want to just get something else and be done with it. but then again, i still want my dam infinity!
[Asus Transformer TF700] JTHM:
I can understand Asus announcing the Infinity so soon after the Prime release because, at the time, the Prime was being hit with such bad press. However, to do it persistently is just plain stupid as they are closing their market to those who want the next best thing know what it is and are prepared to wait for it.

One of the benefits of Apple devices is that they don't go obsolete for a very long time. The iPad 1 is now over 2 years old and is still officially supported with the latest iOS updates and I haven't heard of an app that won't still run on it. I'll guarantee that Asus's aftersales support will not be so accommodating.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Andreas527:
When Helfone buys a device companies should stop developing and release new products.

Don't understand why people think that they got screwed just because there are coming new products after they bought a device. Take a look at the computer or phone market. It comes now products all the time. Different spec and are made for different users. Some are high end and some are for the mainstream.

I think it's just good that there are many different products so that I can choose the one that fits me.

If Asus is going to release a tablet that can run both Android and and Windows on Arm it will probably be late 2012 or early 2013. That's 6 months away.

Asus Prime & Tapatalk
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
Teg3 is on tail end of its life, about to be hand-me-down to cheap tabs. By fall, there'll be Teg4 along with quad Krait/Exynos. Make sure the HD display is really your thing at $600 for the TF700, because the CPU will be superceded.

>One of the benefits of Apple devices is that they don't go obsolete for a very long time.

No, it's a bad thing. It means that innovations for iPad are minimal (non-structural), despite its current popularity. For a developing product, you want to have rapid progress, even at the cost of short-term pains for the user.

Talking about new better toys, Asus toys look to have some sort of Win/Android integration in the fall. Assuming July availability for Inf, your honeymoon period is 3 months. Less, if the $200 Teg3 tab comes out at same time.

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[Asus Transformer TF700] rwniel:
Some people seem intent to want to look for conspiracy everywhere. :) 'Announcing' the Infinity had nothing to do with the Prime. If that was the intention, then if anything it made things worse because some people assumed it was coming out immediately even though they were still left with issues on a Prime they would have only just bought. The announcement of the Prime was for two reasons; firstly, it was to preempt other higher resolution tablets before they could either come out or be shown off publically as an attempt to 'take a bit of the wind out of their sails' (- it was known at that point that Apple were likely to bring out a higher resolution iPad later that year and we've since seen Acer show off the A700 prototype). Secondly, this was at CES 2012 in January which is arguably the largest consumer electronics show in the world. So manufacturers often show off products for the upcoming year as it's like a huge store-front for consumers, journalists and developers. Now you can make arguments against that approach in first showing off a prototype that probably isn't coming out until several months down the line. But it is what any number of manufacturers do - for example Sony and Panasonic show off a range of AV receivers and televisions which then roll out over the rest of the year.

If you think the Infinity will remain state of the art in terms of hardware for long, then I have to say that you are probably deluded. That's not how technology works. Once the Infinity comes out, speculation will then inevitably turn to Windows 8 and Tegra 4 devices. In some way or another, these models will use refinements learnt over the course of developing their previous transformer tablets and we also know from Intel slides that they are predicting even higher tablet resolutions for 2012 and beyond (which is the main feature the Infinity has over the Prime). I wouldn't be surprised if we see updates to the Android transformer models at CES 2013....and so the cycle repeats.

Regarding your other point, Asus' first Android tablet was the TF101 and that is still receiving updates. It continues to run Android apps that are coming out now as well as older apps. Google however doesn't maintain the same grip on Android as Apple does with iOS all the way from the ecosystem to hardware and software. Basically what Apple says goes. Meanwhile Google is somewhat at the mercy of both its third party developers and device manufacturers. So you instead end up with something that is in many ways more flexible, but akin to anarchy.

Robert
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
Yes because thats what I ment, well done...

Of course diversity is a good thing. Some specs for mainstream, some for high end users. Personally when I buy a new gadget, I like it to be the best one. Im sure many people can relate to this feeling.

If something is then announced before I have bought my new tablet, then I will consider if I should wait for the new best thing (since that really is what I want). Of course I dont expect, not do I want, that development should stop after I buy my tablet. I just want it to be the best tablet available for a couple months at the time I buy it.

So to spell it out, I get annoyed because I might have to accept the fact that I will wait a couple more months before I get my tablex fix. That is my personal problem, but I still get annoyed.

:)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diogenes5:
I'm glad I indulged and got a TF300T. Was waiting for an infinity but once I heard that it was likely they would release a $600-only 64 gb version first, I got the TF300T. I'm happy with it but god I wish the screen were better. Reading fine text is a huge pain on such a low pixel-density screen.

If I had waited, I'd be pulling my hair out right now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Actually the spokesperson from Asus is told to have said the US release is going to be on the verge of June and July, not the European release, but all the news about expected delays actually makes one suspicious about an earlier date..
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
Looking at the two latest teaser videos, I'm very excited. I really think Asus is going to release a tablet THST dual boots windows and android. If so, Asus just killed the competition. What would be even better if this is available on infinity pad. Or even better than that, if this is available to prime through an OTA update. Ill see if I can dig up any official info on if this will be a reality or not. I gotta have the dual boot capabilities..lol. best of both worlds ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Bertelsen:
That would be crazy!

But I doubt it will come on TF201 and TF700, unless its a OTA as you say.

Win 8 wont be out before late this year.
[Asus Transformer TF700] micaman:
Yup, dual boot would be a sweet option.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
Or check this out..lol just thought of it. What if tablet is in tablet mode and its on Android OS. Then once you dock your tablet into keyboard dock, windows OS pops up. Maybe have the windows OS built into the dock. Maybe even another processor or gpu in the dock.

Or am I just dreaming? Lmfao
[Asus Transformer TF700] Erusman:
I want TF700. Give me now :p
[Asus Transformer TF700] calypsoSA:
Oh FFS were we not supposed to get an answer on the 31st?
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
hehe unfortunately not, we were only supposed to get more excitement :P The answer comes 4th of june!
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
>Oh FFS were we not supposed to get an answer on the 31st?

Marketing: The art of keeping the crowd's attention for as long as possible.

A good marketer is like a good storyteller, always leaving you wanting for more. Definitive endings are out. Cliffhangers are in.
[Asus Transformer TF700] calypsoSA:
Lol heard that one before.
[Asus Transformer TF700] XabiX666:
At least I have my Galaxy S3 now so it will help me waiting :)

Unless I change my mind i buy another tablet:o
[Asus Transformer TF700] calypsoSA:
Bloomberg just posted an article saying that Asus will be launching Windows 8 tablets at the event, they said they were transformer like, but didnt mention anything about dualbooting. I got a feeling it will be a different device all together.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-31/acer-toshiba-to-take-on-ipads-with-windows-8-tablets.html
[Asus Transformer TF700] Beknatok:
Don't get too excited if you're a Win 8 fan... it'll be at least 8 months before it ever hits the market. :rolleyes:
[Asus Transformer TF700] helfone:
Just curious as to why?

That is very good news I think cuz then I will have good reason to buy the infinity :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
I'm just testing the Win 8 release preview on a virtual machine, seems interesting as an OS for tablets, but we'll have to see in practice. There are already virtual machines which can run Android apps under Windows, which is interesting too if you have some Android apps you can't live without :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] ill1:
I'm trying it out also and I'm very impressed. If this runs on a tab as well as it does on my laptop I'm sold.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ronaldheld:
Wby won't we see win 8 tablets before the end of this year? Is there a link for Win 8/android tablets?
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
Win8 needs touch to excel, as mouse is at best a tolerable kludge for Metro UI (it's still needed for precision pointing). For PCs sans touch, Win7 is still "better."

For this year, reportedly only high-end ultrabooks will get touch screens. The rest will get a workaround in multitouch trackpads w/ edge swipe support (important for Win8). To run Win8 on existing PCs, the best retrofit IMO is a keyboard w/ multitouch trackpad.

Win8's main play will be on tablets and hybrids, which we'll the first of in 3 days at Computex. I'm hoping to see benchmarks of Clovertrail vs Ivy Bridge ULV vs ARM stuff. I think Intel will do OK on CPU, but will get burned on GPU, as HD4000 is sad.

That said, it doesn't matter if ARM has no software to start out--which is why there'll only be a few ARM devices at launch. MS needs x86 to seed WinRT apps.

I'm wondering how high-end hybrids will work. I see Asus' TF series as a "low-end" hybrid, as you don't get a processing or storage boost when docked. This doesn't matter for Android since most apps aren't CPU-bottlenecked, or require large/fast storage, but would be a big deal for Windows.

Ideally, a high-end hybrid would have two distinct SoCs: a high-power part like an Ivy Bridge in the keyboard dock, and a low-power (ARM or Clover Trail) part when in tablet form. Storage and RAM could also be a part. In other words, the "dock" should allow for enhanced performance, and not be just a dock with keyboard and extra battery. I think this is what Asus' "all-in-one is no longer in one" teaser is hinting at.

It'll be expensive, of course. A dual-SoC config, assuming it happens, will hit the $1K+ range. If with ultrabook trimmings, it could easily be higher.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
"highly rumored" no confirmation. plus this article not new. already seen and read it. those chips does sound good. ill admit that and give Samsung props on. now with Samsung going with their own chip solutions, Qualcomm will be left hanging. still not using the 28nm process though. Tegra4 will use 28nm. Samsung doing their thing but they not the only ones. so no one is expecting their chip tl dominate. especially when Nvidia always seems to stay ahead of the curve on technology.

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maybe you need to install pulse news. I have tons of tech feeds/info/Android info/gaming coming into there. if you can show me an official article stating the Samsung 11.6 is a reality then you got me. until then, just another unicorn tablet ;)

y'all funny though. Glad to see Barry back stinking the place up with Samsung info. lol we got the apple lovers and Samsung lovers in Asus Prime forums spreading propaganda. they must really want a prime deep down. you'll never catch me in those dedicated forums speaking of how great or better I think my device is. I stay in my hometown(Prime section).

competition is good and needed though. it'll make all the companies better. plus I said that Samsung statement knowing Barry would take the bait..lmao

in other news, did you hear about Samsung supposedly buying or licensing Blackberry new/updated OS?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Techie2012:
Win 8 Tablets are coming in October. ASUS better hurry up with the Infinity or it will miss the boat!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/19/microsoft-windows-8-release-fall-2012-october/
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
I don't have one. It's a rumor that 11.6in Tablet is being designed by Samsung... rumor that's being floated around by the media and journalist.. NOT ME. However, you are saying.. that another "rumor" is going around saying that the tablet got canned (it's certainly a possibility... I don't dispute that at all). I haven't seen or read anything of such rumor (even in personal blogs).. but indications based on Exynos SoC news are that.. it is highly likely that it exist.. and it isn't canned.

I don't have Pulse News (I think the app is garbage) but I do read many & major tech sites (along with few forum/blogs).. & I haven't come across anything of that sort. Now, considering that you have a habit of reading a "sentence" that fits your "perspective" & spin it around to your need.. & make a statement as a fact often times...

I really have to question this "rumor". If anything.. is it a rumor that you are starting??
[Asus Transformer TF700] reNeglect:
True but there's also rumors about the 5450 for tablets and 5250 for smartphones. There is really nothing left to do but wish and speculate.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Here's an article on Samsung's upcoming processors. The 5450 is supposed to be a 2013 release.

http://androidandme.com/2012/02/news/samsung-demos-quad-core-exynos-processors-we-drool/
[Asus Transformer TF700] Pbizkit:
http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/

Saw this pop up, is this new or have i been scrounging at the bottom of the barrel for information and didnt read what was written on the lid?
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
thanks for saving me the trouble Barry..lol. you went off on that one. you n your stock market projection propaganda. Remember, even you told me people in marketing can't be trusted ;) I'm not in the mood to try to reply to all that. good info though, ill admit. I won't even check your sources and take your word for it. The comparison b.s. needs to die off anyways. doesn't belong in Prime forums. I never come right out and compare the prime to other devices. I mostly only respond to what others have said on comparing other devices to prime or tegra3.

Plus I'm concerned about a more serious matter that has been going on which I posted about in another thread.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rand4ll:
I personally am very excited about the exynos chips coming up, they sound awesome and will push everyone to step up their game. If they could gain traction for use in other manufacturers devices I think it would dominate but to my knowledge they have only been used in Samsung devices so far. While that is fine as I love Samsung phones they need to get more of them out there. Nvidia is great at being the first out with next gen chips but they are surpassed within months every time. And if history repeats itself it will happen again this year.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
true but this goes for all android chips. all are passed within a few months of each other. apple has the only chip that has longevity really. this is a never ending cycle with android tablets and why they behind apple. to focused on hardware spec wars instead of being more focused on the OS and software developement. once android slows down the hardware specs and focus more on software, we will be on the right track. you see apple does a very minor hardware spec jump once a year. throughout the year is software updates. they obviously have the winning formula because their so successful. As Android users we tend to be more concerned with the specs. that's all I'm saying. forget all this superior hardware talk. it isn't making Android gain more market share than Apple. time for android change the gameplan up.
[Asus Transformer TF700] aznmode:
So with the resolution being higher on the 700 would we see a lot of supported or updated apps or app developers will just push development on the side? And how long would we have to wait. I'm probably going to get this when it comes out but as it stands now we are still waiting for several official app releases for our primes. Yes there's a work around on some of them but still. Hardware will be great on the 700 but without the supported apps then all that hardware is gonna be a waste.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Cozmo85:
I can only imagine the upscaled phone apps will have even more empty space and even smaller icons.

like this

but worse
[Asus Transformer TF700] reNeglect:
Its probably going to stay the same because android will just use xhdpi instead of MDPI to scale everything like on the GNex.
[Asus Transformer TF700] compuw22c:
Wrong, sorry. Even now exynos spanks everything else, including tegra 3. Look at the us gsIIs with the 1.5 qualcomm. Like HALF the benchmarks of exynos. Tegra3 beats it in gpu but not CPU. And exynos will play ANY video I can find even bluray rips. I like them both though.

Also, Google intrinsity. Samsung contracted them for hummingbird/exynos (still under contract) then Apple bought them. A4/A5 are almost identical to hummingbird/exynos, just clocked lower like 800mhz for battery. Different gpus only.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
so the hummingbird is really the renamed Exynos processor? I remember hummingbird from when original dell streak was first released and I was impressed. I wanted a dell streak badly. it was the first to come out with huge screen. a phablet..lol

as far as benchmarks, all I see are primes at the top of the charts on Antutu and Quadrant. not sg2s or exynos processors. its all about the complete package. Tegra3 as a complete package scored higher. of course this will only last so long as newer tablets are announced or chips released. but it means nothing compared to Apple chip which usually dominates for a whole year. too much bickering within android. fellow android makers not the real competition, Apple is. its like family members fighting with each other. one android chip supposedly being better than another android chip means nothing when you have juggernaut like apple destroying everyone and

now win8 coming with new arm and Intel mobile chips also. a bigger focus needs to be made. once again android as a whole focusing on wrong things. meaning the spec wars. we need to focus more on software optimization and supporting developer apps n such. windows 8 angle will be more functionality than either apple or android. they won't be pushing or advertising its specs. they will be advertising the first true mobile tablet PC experience. Android and all of its manufacturers have their priorities mixed up.

edit: tegra3 plays blue ray rips...lol and basically any format also. even if 3rd party app might be needed for some funky forecast people put together ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Cozmo85:
Googles only priority is advertising dollars. They really dont care about the user experience of android. You can expect them to continue to do the bare minimum. That is their only vested interest in the platform.
[Asus Transformer TF700] max1001:
It's going to be inside a case anyway so who cares what the backplate looks like.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
its sad but seeming to be true. if they were smarter though, they would know vesting more into Android would only mean more units sold. translating to more advertising dollars being made as more android devices on the market mean that many more searches and advertisements being made. it would only help them to grow n become even bigger.

funny how you mentioned that. did you hear about Google is going to start charging websites and webpages fees that have their sites overly optimized? meaning sites that use to many Google links in it and abusing the system. seems like Google able to cake it up on that. they are going to implement a standard of how many links or how much you can optimize your site to use Google searches and links.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It's actually done with s/w. Everyone loves to ***** about TW but Samsung does a fantastic job with audio and video codecs. Their BT and Wi-Fi implementations are the most thorough also and support BT file transfer, BT 3.0 HS, Wi-Fi direct, and DNLA out of the box. Samsung's devices are the only ones capable of transmitting artist, album, and track data over BT to a device capable of receiving them. Look at the GN forum and you'll see all the *****ing from SGS2 converts missing the additional support over stock ICS. Everyone talks about the lack of bloat in a Pure Google device but doesn't take in to account all the third party crap you have to add back in to make it work.

This is extremly well written and I totally agree. The only thing I'd change is to narrow the "we tend to care more about specs" to the XDA audience rather than the masses. The masses don't give a **** otherwise they wouldn't be buying KF's and Pantech's.

Here are some interesting new articles on fragmentation...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401813,00.asp

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401823,00.asp
[Asus Transformer TF700] aznmode:
Nice article and a strongly agree with both. I really want android to succeed.

This sorta relates to the article. EA working on games for windows mobile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra7CPUs9uUs&feature=player_embedded
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechSavvy2:
What a coincidental date, exactly one week before WWDC......

FU I want your phone!!! NOW!!!! LOL.
[Asus Transformer TF700] XabiX666:
Too bad it's too late. I have adopted it :)

nice phone !! Enormous screen. That's my mini Asus tablet (TF700) :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] brucewilsonpa:
yes - you can install blue stacks beta on your pc and your android and run your android apps on your pc -- pretty interesting
[Asus Transformer TF700] Beknatok:
Just being sarcastic, given how long we're waiting on the Infinity since it was first announced.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
This is one way, in fact. The other one is a virtual machine running LiveAndroid.

Unfortunately I was able to install custom packages in neither of these, so its usability for developers is limited.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
Place your bets now. I say Asus is going to release a dualbooting tablet in a few days or so. Also a small minute chance that the Google/Asus nexus tablet will be able to dual boot also ;) Android and windows team up to overthrow the juggernaut, Apple.
[Asus Transformer TF700] whycali:
My HD2 has been doing it for 2 years. Definitely a winning idea
[Asus Transformer TF700] Beknatok:
Aside from just being "different," I personally fail to see the practical appeal of a dual-booting tablet. After all, that'll mean you need two different sets of apps. And it's unclear whether a particular OS will have a specific advantage, role, etc. over the other.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tommedema:
One advantage is that you don't need to buy another tablet when you figure out OS A is more to your liking than OS B.