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[Windows Phone 7 General] rstheboss:
I just saw some news about how tango works for lower end phones by disabling background tasks,etc and wp os is optimized to run at 256mb ram by adding some limitations and changes. According to the current market prices, the difference between 256mb and 512mb would not be more than 10-15$. Considering a bigger OEM like Nokia, it will be even cheaper as there will be a mass production (around 5$ maybe ?).

I wonder why do we need so much engineering (from windows phone team) to reduce ram usage while already mango is smooth and the minimum spec present already is circa2010 mid range. Why can't MS push innovation and resources into utilizing more power better (I know Apollo brings it, but still).

Even for first time budget conscious off contract buyers, 10-15$ does not make or break buying decisions. Why cripple their experience and add more overhead to devs (they need testing and maintaining multiple resources), when they can simply increase price slightly ? Also even in more developed countries, one cannot believe mobile salesmen, how does Nokia expect to make people in those developing countries understand that theirs is an inferior and incomplete experience while a far better multitasking and fluidity will be obtained with a small price ?

I believe Microsoft should have stuck with their initial minimum requirements. What do you guys think ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
The memory isn't the only thing on the lower end device. It has lower end everything, including cpu, graphics power etc. It's far more than 10$, more like 200-300$ difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mickfarr:
The people who have been testing the new tango mobiles they've said the os works really well. Have you got any evidence of this crippling experience?

10$? Tango brings the price down more than 10$, what about the CPU? Camera? etc... All the 10$ add up

I'm not sure you know much about Tango :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] rstheboss:
The camera , CPU etc requirement was already pretty low. I remember reading camera was changed to 2mpx minimum few months back. Even feature phones have more than 2mpx nowadays. 800 Mhz is minimum CPU for mango itself. There is no change there. I was trying to bring about difference between a minimum spec mango phone and a tango phone.

Please do read the tango article on wpcentral and other windows phone sites. Background tasks are not allowed. Also around 5% apps won't work on tango phones. It surely is a limited if not crippled experience compared to bare minimum spec mango phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
Currently. The new 256mb emulator has been released to developers and Microsoft is working with the developers of those 5% of apps (if they want to) in order to reduce their memory footprint.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sensboston:
BS. According to this , the iPhone 4s parts costs $188 total. Also, I'm suspecting, that large manufacturers have much smaller BOM price. So, the real production cost should be less than $100 for "low end" devices and a little bit more, about $130-140 for the "high end".

So, it's just a stupid marketing stuff (let say - very BAD and stupid marketing). I'm worry about WP7 future :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] rstheboss:
Yeah but the point is why should a developer care ? Anyway people in the target markets aren't going to buy apps. They are most probably looking for free ones. And we all know how much time it took for all apps to be mango compatible (Hint: its still not complete).

My opinion is, Microsoft is doing too much work and expects too much work from devs while they could have very easily avoided these sort of things.

I think since you are a developer, you do know that not everybody cant maintain their own push infrastructure and background tasks are godsend. But tango won't have them, a glaring limitation which hinders the main selling point of wp7 - live tiles
[Windows Phone 7 General] mickfarr:
We don't know yet what the minimum tango spec phones are so its hard to say how much you can save.

Limited experience but not crippling experience. As for background task, out of 150 installed apps, I've only 5 listed and of those 5 only one is turned on "AccuWeather". So I wouldn't consider it crippling, limited yes.

As for the 5%, they currently won't work but Microsoft has been in contact with all of them to update their Apps to work with the new tango paging system so they will run fine on 256MB Windows Phone's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Red Grenadine:
Assume:

A company currently sells a phone at $200

Actual parts cost $100 per phone

Labor and other Operating Expenses cost $60 per phone

Operating Profit per phone: $40

Now, the cost of parts goes down $10, operating profit increases to $50 per phone.

That's a 25% increase in operating margins, which is a gigantic increase when you are talking about manufacturers of commoditized electronic equipment like phones

So yes, it likely is worth $10 to OEMs, especially when you factor that they'll sell millions of phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
They are planning to put those low-end to a table of GoPhone ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
Was anyone complaining like this when low end Android devices came out?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mickfarr:
:eek: Are you serious?

I don't think you realise how much money you can make from free apps?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
Hi again.

I've just found some pricing info for you:

http://tech.uk.msn.com/microsoft/nokia-reveal-new-windows-phones-at-mwc-2012?page=10

Now, if we compare that to, say, the Lumia 800 at ~EUR485 that's a whopping EUR296 difference. Let's assume the difference remains the same between the models (even if the prices are slightly lower/higher) for you in the US, you're looking in the region of US $400 difference.

Let me reiterate: $400 difference! Not $10 (though I assume your $10 difference came from the difference in RAM price only, the difference in the phone price is better do discuss).

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 General] rstheboss:
I think my point may not be clear. I do know there is a huge difference between lumia 900/800 and 610. It is because there are lots of additional entities involved like build quality, better camera, faster cpu etc.

What I am trying to say is that the initial price difference between the least specced mango phone and least specced tango phone. Since there is almost no difference in minimum specs of mango and tango other than ram, the discount of upfront cost by 10-20 $ to a customer is not worth cutting important features.

Hope my perspective is clear now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rstheboss:
Considering the Return on Investment, market share, test/maintenance effort etc... Its really cumbersome for ordinary devs. (Not the top featured ones.)

We all saw how much time it took for most of the apps to get mango compatible. Why target tango while most probably they have to redevelop/compile a lot of their code again to accommodate newer apis/features for wp8 in 4-5 months again ? I do know its far easier developing for windows phone but still..
[Windows Phone 7 General] mickfarr:
95% of all apps work on tango without any of those developers having to do a thing. That was a lot of investment for them wasn't it.

Can you explain how long its going to take to enable the apps that currently don't work. There isn't a single developer who would be thinking as blindly as you are. In fact your whole logical is completely baffling

You think its wise to ignore the tango market share which could be well over 50%.

Cumbersome? Explain this cumbersome process with the new developer tools. I don't think you have a clue what you are taking about.

All apps where mango compatible before mango was out.

If thats how you think it works, you really are lost when it comes to development.

Nothing you have said or pointed out in this whole thread makes any sense at all. :o
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.8820:
Good question, and I think people are forgetting Tango is for markets where even Android and IOS are having a hard time breaking thru....and besides, most of us who already have WP phones won't see a Tango device, don't think I would ever replace my HD7 with a Tango device lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] angler:
There are Android around USD250 currently available. People in developing nations are using Nokia cell phone. If I dial a number in WP, I have to open the Phone hub then tap one of the four tiny tab to select the dialer to dial the number. I wonder how many people in these developing nations would select WP to replace their Nokia cell phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] LoganNowak:
It turns out to be a lot more than $10.

Tango has smaller screens, less RAM, a slower processor, ect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MikeyMike01:
The bulk of Android devices are the low end crappy free things. Microsoft is trying to compete there.

Sent from my SGH-I897
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
From what I observe in China, peoples in China still prefer to buy Nokia devices compared it with other brand (exclude China's local oem brand). And from what I observed in lots of China's forum, many people is eaglely waiting for Nokia's WP to officially launch in China, some others even buy it thru some network from AT&T when Lumia 800 launched in US.

Please don't forget that which market Nokia is targeting with Tango, "developing country & the next billions potential featured phone to smartphone user". That's why Tango exsist. Lowering the spec, hardware requirement, make their products competative and launch them with great promotion and marketing in all those developing countries, thus making the next billion which is currently a blank market for Major OEMs' Android and iOS devices. Tango isn't targeting to compete with mainstream market, but is rather try to make a smartphone blank market to potential mainstream market, which is only dominated by WP.

This is my opinion, and any feedback would be glad. ;)

Cheers~
[Verizon Droid Charge] motcher41:
I'm on the gummyrom and loving the TSM Parts dialer codes. However I am missing my eclipse daily driver. There is a dialer code in there I have been using which is to force to evdo rev0 network. I dont have 4G so it works out great since IRC is not blocked on that rev. I cannot find the actually dialer code for that menu anywhere. Can anyone point me in a good direction?

I have this post at Rootzwiki but havent ever had much luck with getting replies back s o I thought I would try here as well
[Verizon Droid Charge] kvswim:
I have a thread that might have it. Hold on, grabbing link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1186798
[Verizon Droid Charge] motcher41:
I tried all of them but I cant seem to located the RevAmode menu.
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
The dialer codes are likely not related to TSM Parts and more the base of the ROM you're flashing. Either way, the Gummy ROMs aren't on the latest build that everything else is using.
[Verizon Droid Charge] motcher41:
Oh I know its an older rom. The dialed code should exist in whatever rom though.

sent from my eclipsed chargecrack
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
The non-official builds have a different set of hidden menu codes in them, possibly for debugging purposes. The dialer codes to access the menus are stored via hardware, they are in software, so they can be added/modified/removed as Samsung/VZW want.
[Verizon Droid Charge] motcher41:
Oh I see. That make sense now. Thanks for the explanation. Ill just keep my gummy backup and restore back when I get 4G service here. I found that the rev0 stayed through a rom flash. So that's cool

sent from my eclipsed chargecrack
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thisguy2431:
I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket with AT&T. I also have an Acer Iconia A500 10" tablet. Both are rooted running custom ROMS. The tablet is actually running a leaked ICS. I have been proposed this offer. A guy has an upgrade available. He wants to buy me a brand new white galaxy note in exchange for these two devices.

If it were you would you accept the trade? :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jamesd86:
No. LOL he should give you cash, you can decide how much depending on condition of your phone and tablet. Wait a few and watch Note's price drop.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Tunix2:
Skyrocket eBay average sold* price for used phone in perfect condition: $400.00

Iconia A500 eBay average sold* price for used tablet in perfect condition: $300.00

SOURCE.

That is $700 and for that you can get a brand new I7000. That guy would only have to spend $300 on a white note and take a $400 profit off you.

*"Average sold" means the average price for that specific item that actually SOLD. Not the price they are listed for sale.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] u921333:
But you cant calculate it at 300 he is also giving up his upgrade. You have to look at the average sale price of the Galaxy note and its close to 700.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thisguy2431:
I did actually consider selling both the items and turning around and buying one myself but then I go through the hassle and time of selling them, hoping that I get enough out of them. I also go without a phone in between the time the skyrocket sells and I get the note because it is my only phone.

I am not eligible for an upgrade at the moment so I would pay that $700 price tag. Yes, he may only pay $300 but he wins by getting both devices and saving some money on the purchase and I win by getting the note without the trouble of having to sell both devices and hoping I get enough.

The question I come down to is if the Note is a good enough phone to ditch the skyrocket whose only advantage over the note is that it has NFC and the tablet, which I hardly use because I have a laptop and an iPad, for the note that has the larger screen.

The main things I use my phone for are as a GPS navigator, a web browser, and a camera. The larger screen would seem to be better suited for all of that. I would hope that posting this in the Galaxy Note section you would have some insight as to the performance of the device as well as the customization available (ROMs, Kernels, etc). I've owned the devices I'm giving up, I haven't owned the Note. Just looking for pros and cons and personal opinions. No need for comments like "He's ripping you off" or what not. Just explain why you think he is.

Thanks guys!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] profclean2000:
I would take the trade. Trying to sell stuff on craigslist or eBay is such a pain. But that is me and I was desperate for the note. I had my skyrocket + $200 cash on my end on craigslist looking for a trade. So if you are impatient and don't mind taking a little hit go for it. The note is an amazing device. I also have an iconia and I have not used it in a week.

However if you are asking here that would indicate some trepidation on your behalf. Trust your gut.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sweetboy02125:
I would take the trade + $50-$100 cash back from the guy who has the Galaxy Note
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] the2rrell:
if it were me....i would not do it.

he is winning either way you look at it. the Rocket is a great device in its own right......plus a tablet?

sell one or both and see where it leaves you. at&t has the note 649 right. if anything trade the rocket to him plus a little cash and keep the tab or vise versa

thats my OP
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jamesd86:
700? There's one in marketplace right now for 550 shipped. They're going to be on the market for about that much for awhile..your choice ...easy deal for trade or sell your devices for what they're worth and pocket 150.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] u921333:
I came from the Skyrocket and dont regret it at all. Probably biggest decision is how much will you miss a full tablet. I would say he is making out a little ahead and may be able to talk him into 50 dollars or so but if its what you really want its worth it IMHO.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Uncle Irish:
If you live near me, I'll gladly trade you my Note for what you're offering.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] welchertc:
He still has an iPad, and from what he says he uses his devices for, the iPad more than fulfills the 'full tablet' requirement. No, it isn't an android tablet, but the iPad still surfs the web well, apart from flash.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BigBison420:
i would tell him the skyrocket or the acer iconia and $100 for his Galaxy note - if he says no then tell him to go F** himself.

Good luck
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tbran:
I more or less did this exact thing, since I wasn't eligible for an upgrade on the Note. I sold my SR and a Toshiba Thrive on ebay for about $680. But then you take into account Ebay fees and then Paypal fees and you're out almost $100. So the offer is not terrible really, if you wanted a Note anyways.

My Samsung Galaxy Note™ is smarter than your Honor Student.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thisguy2431:
I'm in Indianapolis
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Uncle Irish:
Too much driving from Florida.

I wasn't serious anyway. You'll end up losing out on the deal if you trade with the guy. Try to sell them separately and you'll come out even. The Skyrocket should get you $300 on Craigslist easy. That alone should be enough to pick up the Note from him and you get to keep the rocket and the tab :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thisguy2431:
I assumed as much ;) Just figured I'd call your bluff.

After looking around craigslist and ebay I could probably break even with enough money to buy the note but then I go through the hassle of selling them and then being without a phone if the phone happens to sell before the tablet and I don't have the money for the note yet.

It basically comes down to whether or not I really want the note. I've been to AT&T twice to play with it and like the phone but that one wasn't rooted, OCed, or running a custom ROM. I know it has to be faster than the one they have on the floor.

So far I've seen comments that people have switched from the skyrocket to the note and don't regret it. I'd be curious if there is anyone who does?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] moe3754:
I had two skyrockets with in a two week period and both developed problems and were returned to AT&T, I told them to keep the skyrocket and I would pay the difference for the white note and I think that the Note is a much better phone than the skyrocket!!! It is a great phone and a even better tablet, I have not touched mt Galaxy tab since I got my note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Phoneguy589:
I have a deal pending on my SR for $350 shipped and the Iconia 16gb A500 will probably get you $250 so that's $600 from you. If you pay the paypal fee and shipping like I am, I'm only really getting about $310 for the SR. A NIB Note is getting about $550 so it's really more a question of...Do you feel like you are losing out or getting what you want? I have the Transformer Prime running CM9 with a case and I hardly use it. My phone is what I spend most of my time on.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] weng_cas:
please help i have this bug almost all the browsers i tried it FC. see pic below.

im currently running Stock LB1 deodexed: kernel: franco.v6
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Richy99:
you have to log ito your network to use it?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] weng_cas:
im sorry but want do mean i have to log into my network to use it?

the above pic is one of the example i encountered when i tried to fill up some form. for example i went to sky go website and i sign up for new account where you have to fill your info and all that stuff, and when everytime i click at that thing where there is a dropdown list my browser just shutsdown.. i tried using all kinds of browsers but it eventually shutsdown aswell. so i tried another website and setting up a new account this time i was ask to put my age and date of birth, the date of birth was dropdown list, so when i click it browser just shutsdown again. i hope you understand. sorry for my english.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] findus2345:
Android Version 2.3.6

Kernel 2.6.35.7-N7000XXLB1-CL933381 se.infra@SEP-101 #2

Gingerbread CCLB1

Hi all you experts,

my problem is Genie widget (Google news and weather) doesn't run any more on my Galaxy Note GT N7000.

I think it's part of the system. It can't be really de-installed, nor re-installed. If I manually install GenieWidget.1.3.3.apk (replace current version): the android system crashes and restarts about every 2 minutes.

Only shut down the Note and wait for some time helps no more continuously crashes.

Unfortunately I updated firmware to LB1, there is no rooting possible at the moment so there is no chance to de-install it manually?

(By the way: firmware update with Kies caused crash - frozen Note :(. Did it with Odin)

How to get news and weather properly running or get rid of it?

What is the reason of android system looped crash and restart? Too many apps?

Thank you for help.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kbrian:
Is there anyway to get a player that looks like the one on ios devices. Either a theme or an app?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jorsparrow:
Hi!

Can i flash another custom rom if i have installed Themyth basic??

and, actually, which is the most smooth and stable??

sorry for my english
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Mikee.H:
you sure can. just make sure to clear cache and some require you to factory reset i think.

Ive tried cm 7.2 KANG, i liked it alot, Im now running TheMyth Advance, with some small tweaks. with NO problems at all.

your best to read the ROMS yourself and see what fits you most :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jorsparrow:
okay men!

can you solve me another question? :)

the battery works right but, when i turn on the wi-fi, the battery is discharged so fast!!

after flashed the rom, i didnt do a full wipe, maybe that the problem¿
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] sarandroid:
Yes Wifi consumes more battery, but not so fast as you mentioned.

If not satisfied still, you can try Battery Calibration from the market. As the name says it will calibrate your battery :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] tysknuckan:
I can recommend the LeWa-Rom (this one: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1506952). I don't know if it is *the* fastest, but it ist by far the best one I used until now.

There's some tricks and tweaks regarding the setup (it is in chinese at first for some users, but it is easy to change that), but all in all, it is brutally fast, I haven't had a Force Close since I installed it and the battery consumption, especially when using it very much, is actually pretty good.

Give it a try, official support starts this friday, I am pretty psyched to test the final!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] manblack007:
you see here is the link of all the galaxy ace roms so what is the best time for you or that is what suits you best your tastes

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1439516
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] SoFvip:
imho best choice for You will be CM 7.2 with some twaks like:

lagfree

turboboosts

jurnal disabler

thats what i use for all the time, and i always back to this after another rom test
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] scoffyburito:
All of those points don't do much at all :D but cm 7.2 is the fastest based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. It gets under my skin when noobs have a quadrant score war

Sent from the Nokia Galaxy Nexus Arc 5530 Live with Walkman S2 XL XE S X 3G CDMA LTE T-mo PSN Certified Plus with Beats Audio
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] SoFvip:
i dont use quadrant because the score is nothing for me, when i test rom i go for look and feel and how it works.

but i think that journal disabler is giving some boost
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aruldd:
Hi,

I've installed Rom manager put the clockworkmod in my htc wildfire.

But it doesnt boot into recovery just in the original stock android recovery.

i have rooted it and s-off using revolutionary.

Plz help...
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slymobi:
This is getting dreary now.......

Don't mean to be harsh but please,search..... this issue is posted and answered nearly everyday.

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