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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Spidey01:
Personally I take it with a humongo grain of salt but hey, if there's a chance of improvement, I'd take the risk. Guess waiting around a bit for a shot at possibly RMA'ing for low cost fixer upper is worth it, versus trying to put a custom ROM together while calculating what will make me replace my Prime for good.

This makes me think about flipping my office disk around, just to see if it changes anything. Get good WiFi signal but crap speed here, in a building where we're all lucky to get anything that does't go through a cable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
Sorry..............earlier here !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ready2Mosh:
GPS was still on the device sticker I got this morning, it was a C10 model, they didn't remove it.

I sent it back since Amazon screwed the pooch by not only sending me the wrong color but also the wrong capacity. LOL
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
On at least some C10 models it's been removed, and I think most C20 models (haven't heard of any that don't) have it removed.

But wow. Hard fail for sure...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Moist:
I just phoned ASUS in South Africa as I need to RMA(my screen has this weird hotspot at the top), and my WIFI is poor. I mentioned that I had heard that there was a fix for the wifi, and the guy I spoke to said that there was. He didn't have any details on it but said he would email me when he got them. Here's for my optimism!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
Read my post #18 in my thread with my breaking news, before enjoy too soon..

I just spoke to a manager at ASUS SE on the phone.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1525229&page=2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BUYMECAR:
Lol... I'm actually on vacation with my Prime right now and my GPS isn't working AT ALL. Not even WiFi assisted...

How did they manage to get it so wrong?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MrPhilo:
The fixed is located on the Transformer Infinity (700), heres a video of it.

@1:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGPPRhDU7E&feature=g-u&context=G2b25257FUAAAAHgAFAA
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I'd take the additional 2h of battery life the prime has and the perfect looking back, over improved Wifi/Gps with that ugly bar on top any day. That said wifi hasnt been an issue for me.

But think about it, the prime has the antennas in the front behind the glass. So when you hold the prime in a way that the back is turned to the router the signal has to go through the aluminum back. With the infinity tab it will be the other way around. If you sit in a position where the front is pointed at the router the signal has to go through the device and all its metal parts.

I guess the signal will be improved anyway otherwise they wouldnt have applied the plastic strip. But i dont think it will be such a huge (if any) difference in daily use.

Wifi is always an "issue" (meaning wifi not having the same range and signal strength than a laptop for example) with devices like this, for example here's a 95 pages long thread on the ipad 2: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2780293?start=0&tstart=0

Btw one fix they suggest is turning off WMM QoS in your router setting, and that seemed to have helped my prime as well (seems like i'm getting higher throughput now).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MrPhilo:
Yeah, I agree to be fair, only problem is my gps, my wifi is great thats why I haven't been commenting much in the Asus T.Prime forum. Plus I don't really use my gps on my transformer anyways.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leppie:
Jeez... that been known since Anand breakdown... :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Vcolassi:
I agree the new backing is ugly as hell. Here is a video of two guys obviously completely clueless on the specs and such comparing the two side by side. And they even state your really can't see much of a difference with the HD screen.

How do these people get their Job! I mean common dude at least read the specs off the card which is prob a few inches from the tablet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9c1la5O65U
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Even for GPS there are workarounds. You can share the GPS location of your phone via BT (there's a thread on it). I think thats the best way to get good GPS with a wifi only device. Remember Samsung and Apple wifi only tablets dont have GPS at all.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
people always want to assume this a prime only issue. I told Barry this yesterday. he seems to think Ipad2 has perfect wifi since it has the bar. what you linked it absolute proof right there that it doesn't and over 95 pages long. longer than any wifi only issue thread here.

its like I said before, wait till testing and customer reviews done on infinity model. no guaranteeing that this new method will have dramatic increases in wifi or wireless quality. more than enough proof in ipad2 forum thread alone. people going on assumptions will be sorely disappointed if they don't wait first and see official tests on wireless quality of new device.

good Find!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Google is a mighty tool :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
I love how all these threads start with some grand pronouncement ("Breaking News!! New Parts!! Fixes stuff that's broken!!!") and wind up ten or fifteen pages later as another rehash of the same conversation that's already been had in ten other threads just like this, with the same members making the same points and counterpoints. The only fact that anyone really knows with this product is that we have no clue what's really going on and Asus (as a company, not as a collection of semi-secret inside sources and support contacts and their one marketing guy) is not being open and transparent at all about any ongoing efforts to improve this device.

Everything else is speculation at best and wishful thinking at worst.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Actually, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 has GPS, and it works very well. Just to clarify, because of course my wife has NEVER used GPS on hers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] scook9:
So what you are telling me, is Apple innovated bad wifi performance and Asus just copied that design from them

lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that was funny...good one. we just trying to say this is not a prime only issue like some make it out to be. they act like prime only one. when apple clearly had tens of thousands more devices with same issues on ipad2 than on the prime. a good statement can be said that the metal backs give wireless hell. but even adding a plastic strip on it or relocated antennaes doesn't necessarily fix it.

I guess this must be the trade off for aesthetics. as the Prime and Ipad2 are considered the best looking tablets of all time so far. so until we see tests on new devices and tear Downs, we won't really know if improvement was really made that's noticeable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] astralmind:
The Apple thread, over the course a full year generated less "posts" regarding Wifi issue than the prime, on XDA (not an Asus only forum and certainly not a support forum) while also having sold many many times more units.

How does that make Asus look any good ? And trust me, I am everything but a fan of Apple's products!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The issues aren't the same thing at all. There's no question that the iPad2 took a performance hit over the iPad1 because of the change in design. Testing shows it to be about 10-15%. The antennas were moved in the 3G version and, because they're behind plastic now, don't have the same performance issues as Wi-Fi only versions.

The reason Apple got better performance out of a metal backed device than Asus is because they had the foresight to know that RF signals can't travel through metal. So rather than come up with some convulated way to try and get all the iPad's signal through the front of the device they placed the antenna behind the perforated speaker grate on the back. This also means the iPad2 can get signal from both sides of the device whereas the Prime's only signal source is the front.

Here's a picture. The red is where the antennas are on the 3G and the blue is where the antenna is on the Wi-Fi only. If the Prime got a consistent 10-15% weaker signal than the TF101 and wasn't so sensitive to orientation and interference (which the iPad2 isn't) no one would be *****ing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Yeah because this is the forum for the geeks and the apple forum is for the noobs that buy an ipad (no offense :-) ). In the official transformer prime forum there probably isn't even a thread. In most cases if you don't start testing most people won't even recognize the prime has wifi "issues". I wouldn't have if i was not around these forums a lot. I optimized my router like i did for my iPod touch and now it's awesome.

But whatever I'm off enjoying my prime ;-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
YOU MUST HAVE CLEARLY SKIPPED OVER THE FORUM LINK CLOUD PROVIDED AND THE COMMENTS I POSTED FROM THERE..LMFAO CLEARLY THEY DIDNT GET IT RIGHT EITHER....

If you didn't read it, then read it. plus that's no the only thread. there are actually a ton of them all across different apple forums complaining of same wireless issues with their ipad2.

prime main issue isn't wifi. its GPS. we don't have any wifi only issue threads as large. most peoples wifi works fine. we have polls here consisting of xda prime owners to prove this also. don't make me go dig it up..lol

anyways its not a debate because you're flat out wrong. the link n comments were to show that even the best tablet in the world suffered wireless issues. bit on a much larger scale. their problem was wifi not being able to connect at all or constantly dropping signal. wifi issue some here reported was large dropped of speed at a longer range. at least we can connect..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I think were missing some figures, like how many ipad2 has been sold compared to the prime to this date.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] federer:
is a fix really coming?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
it'll probably be a joke to list those numbers as we know. at least millions have sold. all me n clue were trying to say was that ipad2 suffered from wireless issues also, but on a much larger scale. even their iPhone did also. the way Barry makes it look is that ipad2 and apple got it right on their design and that they didn't suffer wireless issues at all. when the opposite has been proven true.

plus the main gripe in this forum was over GPS. wifi issue alone is very minor. wifi/BT combo doesn't fall under wifi only issue. this wasn't even brought up to debate about it really. just to inform people that not to go off an assumption that plastic strip or whatever will automatically mean a major increase in wireless performance. wait n look for the tests first to confirm or user reviews/tests. we have more than enough here that claim their wifi works great. either comparable to other devices or better. so to just imply a change to backplate alone will fix things is incorrect. as we saw in the teardown thread that other major contributing factors was present also.

we don't even know if infinity pad will use the same type of wireless connections like in prime. I would think the best performance would've come from them redesigning antennaes connections and adding plastic to backplate. not one or the other. even Asus said some wireless problems could stem from antennaes not seated properly or maybe the foil that makes contact has shifted. some even found in teardown thread possibility if one of the two wifi antennaes possibly not being connected.

we all hope the issue is cleared up in newer model. but based on prime situation alone, making blind assumptions can lead to big disappointment. that's why I said before after the prime situation, although my device worked fine n I got lucky, I won't be an early adopter again based on the high risk for issues. this goes for any type of electronic device. all first batches seem to have bugs or some kind of issues that don't get ironed out till later batches.

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that's what they say. we won't know the results till units are sent in for RMA and tested by the user once it gets sent back.

I would think one is coming.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Doesn't this CLEARLY say that?

And I think this sums it up nicely...

"Using Ookla's Speedtest.net web app I get a consistent 34 - 37Mbps on the original Eee Pad Transformer. My original Prime review sample averaged around 0.5Mbps, while the replacement Prime got around 10Mbps - all in the same test location. Fiddling around with location I could get the replacement Prime up to 16Mbps. My test area is riddled with challenging interference so I setup a separate test area in another room. Even after buying the same Netgear WNDR4500 wireless AP that ASUS verified 31Mbps+ operation on, I wasn't able to break 16Mbps.I have four other APs covering my house, I turned all of the radios off as a last ditch effort. Boom - 36Mbps on the Prime.

Here's where things get interesting. The original Transformer was made out of plastic, through which RF travels quite nicely. The Prime's metal construction makes things a bit more finicky. Indeed this is exactly what I saw, where depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range).

One thing is for sure, the Prime is going to be far more finicky than its predecessor when it comes to reaching peak speeds over WiFi."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5178/an-update-on-transformer-prime-battery-life-wifi-issues

Based on where and how the Prime's used, as long as it's a "good" sample, the Wi-Fi may be fine. To get it to match the plastic-backed TF101’s performance Anand had to turn off surrounding APs. If you live in an apartment building or are at hotels and airports you don’t have that luxury. Because of the all metal back cover and forward biased antennas it'll never perform as uniformly as a similar tablet of conventional design that’s getting a 360 degree signal. It’s physically impossible.

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They didn't. If they did the antennas would be behind the Prime's speaker grate and signal would be weaker but not totally blocked. It the antenna was placed there, the Prime would be getting wireless signals from both the front and back of the device. They copied the "look," not the "design."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] scook9:
It was a joke....you missed it lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Nvm..lol you missing the point. Ipad2 had same wireless issue and worse and in larger numbers. so obviously their design was not the best or a good solution.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
No, I think you miss the point. Relative numbers of sale/WiFi fault is huge for Asus compared to iPad.

Sent throught the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
"As for the iPad 2, 35-percent of the owners are complaining about Wi-Fi connectivity. "iPad 2 owners have reported fairly widespread issues with connecting to (and staying connected to) Wi-Fi," the report states. "Although this is a widespread issue

that affects those without a 3G-enabled iPad

or those close to their monthly data cap, there are a number of successful fixes. Turning Wi-Fi on and off, renewing the DHCP lease, and resetting the Wi-Fi network settings usually solves the issue."

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/FixYa-iPad-2-Kindle-Fire-iOS-Android,news-14206.html
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
35% of millions sold is huge number. plus plenty of testimonies that showed Yoder fixes you listed didn't work.

@tinky...u missed the point also..lol asus issues to number sold isnt 35%. cause as far as what's been stated officially, prime has less than 1% failure/return/defective rate ;)P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I'm just super curious what drives your insane fascination with defending to the death the blatant flaws in this product? How about you simply, and not in some over-zealous rant, explain yourself? instead of dismissing everyone who calls you out as "not having time for them" when clearly you have PLENTY of time on your hands. I'll bet even Asus would be scratching their heads wondering how someone could be this die-hard about something like this.

Is it "overall" better than the competition? Yea probably, but it has some serious, serious issues that no $20 billion/year company should be making. There is no excuse for the problems that do exist, ESPECIALLY considering Apple apparently made some similar but less harsh miss-steps, so there is case history on this that Asus could have, SHOULD have learned from.

Looks like amazon is getting consistent stock now though, maybe production is speeding up or they got a big shipment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you mean like what drives people fascinations to ignore other companies similar problems?

other then that I agree with what I quoted from you. this is not defending anything. he used ipad2 like its some model Asus should've followed to solve their wireless issues..plus apples wireless issue was not less harsh. lets say Ipad2 sold 8million ipads...n that's a small guess. 35% of 8million defective = 2,800,000 million ipads that had defective wifi or wireless function. number is actually much higher as ipad2 sold way more than 8 Million. so to tell me that 2,800,000 million defective ipads is not worse than limited number of primes sold already with issues is plain ignorant. that's what I'm saying. numbers clearly showed ipad2 didn't have the right solution either.

we already know some primes has issues. bit nowhere near the numbers like ipad2 showed. the point was Asus was not the first. and definitely prime situation is not the worst in tablet history.

doesn't take a genius to see that based on ipad2 situation alone.

point made. unless someone can show prime wireless defective rates greater the 2,800,000 million(at the least) that ipad2 had. :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
I guess some of you cant read well...all he stated was that some Ipad users have the same issues with wifi, he is NOT defending Asus, he is just making a statement. We all don't have to post negative comments about Asus, some people like actually have a well-working device(minus GPS) some dont. I for one, only have GPS issues, my wifi works fine..so I have no reason to bash Asus, and I am impressed with their response lately. We all know that Asus has it's flaws, its been mentioned a million times, doesn't mean that we have to jump on the "I want to rant against Asus" bandwagon..they are not the only company with issues, but they are one of a small few who actually respond. Go to any Ipad site and see how many "Gary's" they have respond...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
exactly ..thank you. that's all I was saying..then came all this extra b.s. people trying to disprove me wrong when facts shown I was right. Ipad users suffered same wireless issues also. but in much greater numbers. that's all....sheesh...lmfao.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Now i think we have gathered sufficient evidence to show that the Prime isnt the only device in its category that has wifi "issues". I still refuse to call it issues though. Its just a fact that full aluminum tablets have a harder time to get radio signals through. Because of that, in certain situations, wifi will be weaker than on other devices. Deal with it ;)

In my situation this has never been an "issue" though. When I use benchmark tests it is noticeable. I also found out that when i hold both my hands over the plastic part where the wifi antenna is on my phone, the signal gets weaker, just on a sidenote. (SHOCKER! Have to bring my phone back...)

But in real life in my everyday use of the tablet its not. Lets move on plz? :)

If you still have a prime that you're not satisfied with, sell it to someone in europe. The things are pretty much sold out everywhere, because of the high demand, and you can already find Primes with a higher price on ebay. I talked with some local shop sales guy, he told me he never saw such high demand on a non apple product since he started working there :D Kinda off topic i know, just sharing.

On topic: I cant imagine that Asus is really calling in Primes to put additional hardware in it. I mean its great if they do it. But it would surprise me very much.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Because we have some members who just like to post negative after negative comments, and those who flock like sheep..and then when someone makes a simple point that contradicts them, they get upset, like you cant say anything positive about your device.

I love my Prime, there are others who do also. Yes, for $600.00 our machines should not have wifi issues, etc and let's hope that Asus DOES something about it, but overall, it does what most of us needs it to do, and does it well. Movie playback is flawless on mine with 1080p playback (Dice player) thin, light and sexy as all hell :) My wife's Ipad rebooted every time I played a graphic-heavy game, it froze when I ran too many apps(B.S multitasking) Wifi was worse than what was on her phone, constant drops..Not one time did an Apple rep reply on ANY apple forum to help...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
Clouds, I've gone through 6 primes, and counting, and I compared them all. There are definitely defective units there, and not a few but quite many. A lot of people won't even realise speed drop occures unless they are streaming at the lowest WiFi reception. For example, some of my 6 primes I had where 17-18mb at the strongest point, nearest the router, and around 2-5mb at one particular spot, where signal shows 1 bar. No complaint about that whatsoever, its usable. Now, others, including no 6, are 15mb max at the good spot, and drop down to 0.2-0.5mb at the same spot where others are 2-5mb. And its consistent between units.

Sent throught the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.