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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jasvncnt1:
Huh? Not sure I follow you. If AT&T tells me I have an unlimited data plan...theres really only one way to take it..unlimited. They were using "unlimited" in a term for the data service. So what your saying is they can give you a 2G plan and call it unlimited? If thats the case Im going to start paying them with monopoly money. I know its not "money" but thats what I call it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] sgood1971:
Now other people in the office are looking at me funny for laughing in the corner all by myself.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] n1nj4dude:
thats where you are wrong... YOU may be on a month to month. but WE are on a CONTRACT.. not a month to month plan. they cannot just change it

Contract:

A contract is an agreement entered into voluntarily by two parties or more with the intention of creating a legal obligation, which may have elements in writing. Contracts can be made orally. The remedy for breach of contract can be "damages" or compensation of money. In equity, the remedy can be specific performance of the contract or an injunction.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CyberGhos:
Your example perfectly explains what I was trying to say. Even though monopoly money is also called money and still, it doesn't do what the dictionary says money should do. It's now just a name ....name..... just like the paper in the monopoly games.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jasvncnt1:
LOL they must think your nuts

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I see what your saying but I just don't think that can stand up here. I think most people know you cant pay with monopoly money. I dont think most would know when you say your getting unlimited data...that your really not. If my contract says for the next 2 years or whatever my service is X amount per month. And that amount per month for the next 2 years gives me 450 min and unlimited data.....thats what one would expect. I dont think they can say well really you will get 3G but then we throttle you....oh yeah thats what we mean by unlimited. And how far do you think I would get trying to pay with Monopoly money?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
You should have read the VERY NEXT SENTENCE in my post.

And by the way, have you ever actually read the contract we have with AT&T?

From the contract,

So they may change the service provided, they just can't charge more for it while under contract without allowing you to terminate without paying an early termination fee.

And I'm pretty sure it says someone in the contract that if we don't like it, we agree to binding arbitration to settle disputes. It's almost a gimme with any contract for services nowadays.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CyberGhos:
I hate to see them doing that to my so called unlimited data plan and want them to fail as much as you do, but they have a big legal team look thru everything they do, and we are arguing by comparing words with what it is from the dictionary. I don't think that is a stand up. Go figure bro.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jasvncnt1:
Yeah your right. Just sucks that they get away with this crap.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Hmm, I didnt know that we have 30 days to cancel and NOT pay an ETF.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] lo-fi_engineer:
re: "contract"

As I learned from the 10-20 reps AT$T (tier 1, tier 2, team leads, and managers) I spoke to in Jan, under contract means that you agree to be billed for the services you selected for the duration you agreed to. It does not mean that you can dictate the terms of service to the company or that the service will be uninterrupted, error-free, or up to your performance standards. There may come a point where they refuse to renew long-expired plans. All they have to do is make it "policy" and it's done. I got lucky by renewing without a data plan, but that only works because I didn't have one with my previous smartphone or plan. Either they'll catch up to me or the network will improve and I'll have a [probably high $, low cap] data plan at that time. A real, working unlimited plan would've been nice though...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] runtohell121:
So.. Can I "cancel" my contract and continue to use their service with my "Unlimited" data plan? I renewed my contract back in... October (?) or whenever the SGSII came out on AT&T.. I wouldn't mind "getting" out of the contract
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] 00mred00:
Only if they change price or coverage area

yuuuup
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
If they want to change the plan mid-contract that's fine with me... as long as they realized that I will no long be paying my bill seeing as how I did not agree to the terms of the new contract. I will cancel my card so they can't bill it anymore and never deal with them again :).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
But you did agree when you signed the contract; you agreed that they could change things up whenever they want. We all did. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
Well then I'll just plug my ears, close my eyes, and throw a temper tantrum! :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
And they will just send you to collections which will reflect on your credit score.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] GalaxyMaster:
Then you can just dispute it with the credit bureau.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] veliksam:
i was thinking of waiting to see what the skyrocket hd would bring, hopefully exynos! We'll see soon enough.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] auswims:
I would be happy to go with a tiered plan if they would let the unused data "rollover" like my cell minutes do.

sent from my gs2....War Eagle!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
Data is not a part of your contract. Your contract states you agree carry service with them. Data has always been able to modified. This whole thing came up when everyone was whining because they were being charged for a tethering plan just because they were tethering ... the injustice! Att has the right to change the data plan at any time, for any reason, and you cannot get out of the etf. Even if data goes up. They cannot change your minute plan rate up, but data is separate. Read the whole wireless customer agreement. They can even cancel your service if they suspect misuse, with no burden of proof, and still charge you the etf. You can cancel data at any time, that's the difference. If they discontinue the unlimited data and force everyone on to pay per use fees, you are still tied to your service contract to maintain a phone account with them. You can drop to the lowest rate plan, but you cannot cancel without paying the etf. At the time the tethering thing blew up there were people on xda confirming att canceled their account for tethering, then sent them the bill for the etf, then sent them to collections for fighting it and not paying. For everyone quoting the wireless agreement about not paying the etf if rates go up, go back and read the full context of that section, its talking about phone service, not data. Data has its own section in the agreement, and that clause is conspicuously absent.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] twiggums:
Kuz that looks good on your report in the mean time :rolleyes:.. my wife handles OCA disputes on a daily basis, usually the placement is found to be valid. Do yourselves a favor and find a better way "prove a point to ATT". It really is no hassle for them to place you with an OCA, takes little to no effort on their part.

don't get me wrong, I hate throttling as much as anyone. But putting your own credit at risk to prove a point is just foolish, I guarantee even if you do dispute the placement and win, they'll take no notice, they'll just recall it and move on.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
Exactly. Is it worth destroying your credit and wasting months to take them go court? Even if you will the case for money, when it comes to credit it doesn't matter why you didn't pay. It only matters whether or not you paid your bill. And att will be able to prove your account was delinquent. Att will say the same thing your credit card company or car loan company says when you threaten to not pay your bill: LOL, let us know how that works out for you.

If you really want to stick it to att, get a cheap or old dumb phone, cancel data and carry the bare minimum until your contract ends and close your account. Meanwhile go to T-Mobile for throttled unlimited, or Verizon for tiered service, or sprint for terrible service that is only unlimited based on what network you use, and they throttle their "top" users too. That will show them.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Solkamman:
Not sure, but it sucks. I got throttled last month and web pages were timing out on me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CyberGhos:
I heard its 1Bps.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nucleartx:
Current throttle is 300kbps Max.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] krise11385:
So as I am a new att customer is there anyway to convince att to get me to this unlimited data plan? even if throttled its better than my 3gb tiered plan.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
Short answer no, long answer maybe. You cannot get an att employee to add it back. But you might be able to have iTunes add it. If you use a edge only, first generation, iPhone and pop in your SIM, hook it up to iTunes it should force the unlimited plan on your account. Sometimes it takes upto 5 times to stick. Then call att and have them change it from the iPhone plan to the HSPA+ plan for your Galaxy S II. Can't guarantee they haven't plugged that hole yet, but it should work. That is the ONLY way I know to get an "unlimited" plan. You cannot transfer one from another account to your own. That has been confirmed not to work.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] krise11385:
Thank u I have a old first Gen iPhone n I will try this tommoro. I just switched from T-Mobile n they had throttling n it wasn't too bad.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nucleartx:
The loop hole you mention has been closed for a couple months, sorry.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] krise11385:
OK thank u
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
I'm not so sure the unlimited is worth it anymore. $30 for 3GB, then a trickle after that. If you get the $30 tiered plan, if you manage to hit 3GB, you can at least put another $10 in the pot and keep playing with the same speeds. I'm gonna keep my unlimited for the time being to see how it plays out, but I might be getting rid of it in the future.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
Nooo! That's exactly what they want you to do!

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nucleartx:
The only reason to keep unlimited is if you have a discount from your work. The new $30 3Gb plan is not eligible for a discount. Only the $50 5Gb with tethering is eligible for a FAN discount.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
I get a discount off of my total bill via my work. I think it's 14%. Which isn't bad considering I'm paying over $100 a month for one line, which is becoming increasingly hard to justify the more that I think about it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
The sorry fact is, if I need more data, I'm gonna have to buy it. Or do without. The throttled speeds are only good for checking email.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] BeenAndroidized:
I am pretty sure most if not all of us that don't have the unlimited data plan won't mind taking over your unlimited data line. (me included) Especially if you want to throw it away. I can assured you that switching your data plan won't do you any better. (you'll just will pay more).

I am currently on the 2GB plan, and I can tell you that my best download speed never get pass 2.59 Mbps (0.08 to 2.59), and I am supposed to be getting between 2 to 6Mbps download. So, if you think you can get a better speed by switching data plan, you'll in for a big surprises.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
I don't really understand your logic, and you can't seem to understand mine. If they shut my data down to a trickle after 3GB, what would be the point to the unlimited plan? I'm not talking about looking for better speeds, I'm talking about not losing speed. I'm getting great speeds right now, I'm hitting 7.5Mbps in the middle of the night, 4Mbps during the day. Sorry your speeds suck.

I'm not happy about losing my unlimited data plan, but looks like AT&T might have found a way to pry it from my fingers. I'm cutting out the streaming Pandora at night and I'm gonna see how my data goes after that. If I start bumping it over 3GB in the future and see throttling, I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and buy more unrestricted data. If AT&T does what they say they are going to do, then a tiered plan WILL give me more speed if I'm using over 3GB of data per month, no matter what you seem to think.

Think about it this way; what if you had to switch from broadband to dial-up for the last week every month because you were hitting a data limit? I don't know about you, but I'd fork over a few more bucks to keep it fast (assuming that there wasn't a better deal with another provider).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
Thinking like this is going to do nothing but allow them to raise prices more and more.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
What, being a realist? You people are carrying on as if I like it. I don't. I just accept it. I've got news for you, they are going to raise prices and we are going to pay it unless we decided to jump carriers. None of the other carriers have any better deals for me, at least.

My cell phone bill is higher than it was 10 years ago. So is my cable bill, property taxes, grocery bill, the price I pay for gas... stomping my foot and refusing to pay won't get me cheaper service. Thinking that it will is naive on your part.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
In case you forgot, the consumer is what keeps the company alive (well it used to be until the government decided to start giving everybody bailouts). Thinking the way you do is the poison that got us to this point. Too many people think "oh whatever it's going to happen anyway" and completely ignore the fact that if they DID put their foot down and actually tried to do something about it, it could be changed. It has to start somewhere.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
Good luck with that. Let me know how that works out for you. Those tens of thousands of OWS protesters really got Wall Street to change their ways, didn't they?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
lol... If it gets to that point, I can always just get an Android phone with Boost these days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
That's the only way to get things changed with a company of that size; when a significant shift of customers to a competing service occurs, then they have to make changes to keep them. The problem is, only Verizon and AT&T offer the kind of coverage that I need (I travel for a living). Boost and Sprint will work great for some people, but it's just not what a lot of customers need; the Big 2 pretty much have a lock on nationwide coverage. And granted, some people are simply going to have an iPhone and don't care who offers it, even though they could be doing it cheaper with someone else. People spent 3.8 billion dollars last year in pet grooming, boarding, sitting, pet-hotels, and day care, so they aren't motivated to work on trying to save $10-$20/mo on mobile savings.

The failed T-Mobile/AT&T merger didn't help either. Whether is would have been a good thing for the customer is still up for debate, but it would have been the quickest and cheapest way for AT&T to get the much needed bandwidth. When it fell through, not only did they have to start catching up with coverage that they planned on having, but that massive fee they had to pay to T-Mobile will be paid by the customer, it's not gonna come out of company earnings. That's one of my most hated things about Wall Street. "We screwed up and lost a lot of money; gonna have to make the customer pay for it, so it can't affect our earnings and bonuses".
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] JustinW3:
VZW has been trying to buy Sprint for years now... or was that ATT? I can't remember if S is GSM or CDMA. I really hope that doesn't happen, we need MORE options, not less. Also, I thought Sprint used VZW towers for their roaming partner, so should Sprint customers be able to piggyback off of VZW towers?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] itchy5:
i hate this new policy. i'm leaving ATT the second my contract runs out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
Probably, for now at least. Reading up on it, the consensus is that Sprints unlimited plan won't be lasting much longer, people are starting to eat too much data. From what I can gather, the only reason that they have been able to offer it this long is that they don't offer an unlimited plan for tablets. Wait till the iPhone 5 hits, and all of those people still using their 3Gs while holding out for the 5 grab new phones and start playing with Siri. Data use will explode again.

At some point in the near future, technology is gonna catch up again, and carriers will be able to feed us as much data as we can eat. When that happens, we will see data wars among them, with prices dropping, or more likely, more data for your buck. They put a lot of thought into where the sweet spot of data prices are; meaning what they can charge for the plan that most people will pay. That sweet spot seems to be around $30/month right now. I'd expect that price range to be around for a good while.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Budge:
Can anyone who has owned both the Note and the Skyrocket give a real world comparison between these two phones? I am considering trading in my Skyrocket for a Note, and I'm particularly interested in the screen quality, bluetooth connectivity, and battery life.

My skyrocket display is great. If I have lines or blobs, I don't ever notice. My bluetooth works, but I sometimes have to reboot to get it to reconnect to my car. My battery life is good, but I have to recharge every night or it will drain out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] macked:
I can't tell you my experience as I never owned a skyrocket, but my brother got a skyrocket two weeks before I got the note. One look and I drove him to best buy to enchange. Best buy rocks no restocking fee and he didn't even have the box.

sent from my iPhone killers killer, Samsung Galaxy Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] the2rrell:
I have owned both and STILL have both.

the rocket was/is a lil faster in its own right out of the box. but after roming them both out and running the same apps and web and movies. the note is just as fast on loading, and playing things smoothly. and of course the screen is better and bigger. i ran net flix, the note actually loaded up quicker 70% of the time, and looked better.

apps like cut the rope the rocket actually loaded up quicker. but both ran smoothly.

over all i cant tell to much difference in over all preformance of the two.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Budge:
If the battery life were about the same and the bluetooth worked better, it would definitely be worth the switch for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Camaro1LE:
The biggest difference is the note doesn't have the blue tint and the grainy screen like the skyrocket. After using the note for just one day i love it and now (as crazy as this seems) the skyrocket seems small in my hand.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] david032766:
I owned both... My wife now has the skyrocket.... Battery life and speed of apps and stuff is about the same. The note has better wifi and bluetooth range. Skyrocket has no voice dial with bluetooth. The skyrocket looks tiny to me now. ...lol no way i can back to smaller display
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] nystreak:
I traded my skyrocket in for the note and overall I'm much happier with the note. They seem to be about the same speed wise but the screen and battery life is much better on the note. My dell streak kept me happy for over a year but I'm not sure the note will be able to do the same. I'm ready for the quad core Note II.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rich250:
I have had them both but turned the skyrocket over to my wife when I got the note.speed wise the skyrocket was just a bit snappier,screen quality,no comparison the HD note screen is awesome,bluetooth on the skyrocket was a little buggy at times but has been flawless on the note so far,sound quality is better on the note but max volume is about the same,wifi seems to be about the same,gps on the skyrocket works fine but the note locks on quicker,battery life is a little better on the note,aside from the s pen there are alot of little things the note has and does that's not there on the skyrocket.the skyrocket is a very good phone but the the note is better.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 00mred00:
Bluetooth voice dial works fine on the skyrocket...you just have to install voice search from the market.

My wife still has her skyrocket. ..its great but i wanted the bigger screen. After about a week the battery life is comparible...radio strengths stronger across the board on the note.

The screen is hands down far superior on the note.

yuuuup
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] RobWoodall:
Apparently, I haven't posted enough to post to the development thread. Bummer. I wanted to thank Albert for his so easy to use thread on rooting my new Nook tablet. I made a donation, but then I got to worrying that I'm a cheap bastard, and didn't give enough.

So, my question is, what's generally considered a reasonable donation as a thank you to a developer?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] johnjjschmidt:
Three dollar bill, y'all

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[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Know-Fear:
A donation is just that. It doesn't have to be any certain amount. I think the payee is happy to get anything. It's just basically a way to say "hey thanks for doing something productive that I use(d)"

Myself personally, I have received between 5-25 dollars previously. I normally spend about 5 when I donate.

Never feel like you didn't donate enough. I think 99% of the devs are happy you thought to donate anything.

Cheers.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] The_Joe:
I dont think just useing the thanks button was enough. This was an awesome post.

I wanted to make sure Celtic had enough in donations to take his wife to a really nice restaurant, as I understand it she wasnt happy about how much time he spent the first two weeks of Development. So, I gave a bit less than $10 USD, figure they can go to just about any burger king in the UK for that much. :)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] RobWoodall:
I agree. A thank you is always nice, but these people are working their collective tails off, and should be rewarded in a more tangible way!
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Know-Fear:
Indeed. However, times are tough all around. I try to donate at least a few bucks a couple of times a month. (paydays specifically) But there are so many awesome devs, it's hard to figure out who to donate to. I mean, at this point, fattire should at least have every flavor of nook device, considering all the work he has put into all of them. Bauwks, for obvious reasons. Indirect, Celtic, Gonce...all of them.

Hell for that matter, Steve Kondik should be able to retire.