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[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
There are some new things on the ASUS Support site, including new firmware (said to fix i.a. the flickering effect some people have been experiencing):

http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=ASUS+Transformer+Pad+Infinity+TF700T&p=20&s=16

What may be more important - there is the KERNEL SOURCE CODE now available!!! Hopes set high now! :D

Edit: I believe "TW" means it's the Taiwanese version of the firmware (perhaps someone more accustomed to Transformers could comment on this), so the US and WW versions should become available in the following days, AFAIU.
[Asus Transformer TF700] phonic:
:victory::victory::victory:
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
It's not even out in the US and they already will have a fix for some of the problems? Good job, Asus.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shamad1:
This is common for anti-glare screen protectors. I had a similar "speckled" effect using a WriteSHIELD on another tablet, but overall I found that it was better than having a crystal-clear screen but having to peer through all kinds of reflections to see it. I figure I'll try the Caseen anti-glare overlay when I eventually get my TF700, but would be interested in hearing what results people are getting with other brands.
[Asus Transformer TF700] phonic:
I don't see how you can blame Asus specifically for this.

Sure I agree that it would be better to have a product released when it was working perfectly, but no manufacturers do that. They all push out the hardware as fast as possible and then deal with any lingering bugs afterwards as an update.

As with anything, hardware or software, the company sets a timetable and they only take so much feedback from the development group(s). For all we know, they've been working on this update for over a month, and just had it ready today. It's not like Asus is going to stop shipping them in the meantime.

And I think you can agree that if they actually DID do this, you and everyone else would be even more upset, yelling "Just ship the damn things now and give us an update when you're done!"
[Asus Transformer TF700] Jotokun:
Here's the thread that had me worried: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1530660

Reading through some of the posts near the middle, it looks more like a defect in the glass than an issue with the dock, and the dock is merely a trigger. Hopefully the Infinity isn't affected by this since its using gorilla glass 2 (so not the same panels).

I think I'm going to stick with my bt keyboard and mouse for a few months and see if any cases of the Infinity cracking show up before I pick up a dock. Better safe than sorry.
[Asus Transformer TF700] brucewilsonpa:
I didn't see his comment as blaming Asus at all, just recognizing that Asus is on top of recognized issues before they've fully rolled out the model -- we all know of other mfr who never seem to get their problems fixed and just come out with new models.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Bruce is right, I wasn't being sarcastic. I was saying that it was good to see bug fixes before the actual device is released. I love Asus because they get out fixes incredibly fast, and this is just showing how awesome they are that they were able to fix some bugs before it even came to market.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rockface:
Why would you not just use one fitted for the TF201?

This one gets good reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/MiniSuit-Eee-...601379&sr=8-4&keywords=tf201+screen+protector
[Asus Transformer TF700] blauciel:
This firmware update is likely part of the reason behind their staggered release schedule. (other than supply)
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
I wouldn't think so...but maybe? I guess it's possible. The main concern is building up enough supply to send to the more popular areas.
[Asus Transformer TF700] phonic:
Sorry, I misread your post. I've been in a different XDA thread lately where everyone is just complaining all the time, so I had interpretted your "god job asus" as being sarcastic.

My bad :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
No problem man.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
Basically you steam up your bathroom with shower so that all dust gets heavy and settles. Then you install the protector in there giving you a near dust free room and so less dust problems on install.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
Finally home again and had time to pick out the microscope.

The matte screen blends the colors but the focus of the microscope has a lot of impact on the result. I did multiple shots, first normal zoom at same focus, and then a high zoom on just two small letters without screen and then twice with screen. Your eyes pick out the smoother blended image, but occationally see blips of individual red, green or blue when a bump on the film focuses that single 1/3 pixel top your eye.

Not sure how usefull this was, but the inner nerd in me loves it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Always cool to see!
[Asus Transformer TF700] californiarailroader:
I have mine (32 GB, Grey) on pre order from J&R, I got in on their VERY short pre order window.
[Asus Transformer TF700] eleger91:
Sorry but they have written the 2012/07/11 as date of delivery
[Asus Transformer TF700] Beknatok:
Oh I know you! :-) Didn't realize you jumped off the Acer boat too! *cheers*
[Asus Transformer TF700] californiarailroader:
Lol Yeah, I'm such a hypocrite, I said I wasn't but the heat issue has been coming on strong lately with mine. I love the A700, but the heat is causing crashes, I need something reliable and I hope the Tf700 is it. The Tf700 has better specs, and that aluminum body should help dissipate the heat, and from the European users with them it sounds like it's running cool. Did you get a pre order in yet? I am going to get a dock too, the prime dock will work with it with the current firmware, and they are down to around 107 on Amazon.

I had the original transformer, and the tf300, so I'm pretty familiar with Asus tablets. I have to think they must be doing something right, Google picked them out of all the others to do their nexus 7 tablet. Well, here's to wishing good luck to both of us in our tablet quest! :-D I have an Asus Router, an RT-N66U and an Asus Mobo in my beast, a Sabertooth 990fx, I guess I should make it a big happy Asus family lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
I'll pop it under a thermal camera the first chance I get.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
I've noticed that the benchmarks show SIGNIFICANTLY lower results (e.g. 40% of the former results) when the battery/tablet is hot [>38*C?] (all tested in performance modes etc.). The greatest/main dropdown is in GPU results, so this may be some kind of Tegra control mechanism which prevents burning the chip.. but the difference may be in something else, which I am not aware of.

Anyway, with sio scheduler and some build.prop tweaks the device seems to be running smoother.

BTW, what would some of you as the Prime users recommend for dalvik.vm.heapsize? The Infinity default is 256m, some tweaks recommend 48m or 64m, but these are supposed to be universal, for phones and tablets I believe, so perhaps there is no reason to downscale it that much? I've put 128m in build.prop so far, but I've done too many tweaks to see the difference here.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tultain:
It sounds like a device reliability issue. TSMC may have a looser spec than normal standard.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Ok, as promised I have done some HD videos testing (both 720p and 1080p mkv files).

Those recorded by the tablet itself happily play well, although it stops in the middle and exits in some of the players ;-) [mp4]

Earlier problems with lagging were there for one obvious reason: software instead of hardware decoding (unfortunately HW decoding is not possible for .ts in my MX Player and mVideoPlayer doesn't see these files at all, which is a shame, because they have some nice UIs).

The videos decoded by

hardware decoder

run

very smoothly

both from internal storage and SD card. For some reason MX Player and mVideoPlayer do not decode

audio

in the .mkv files (it does so in .avi).

VPlayer

fortunately played everything with proper audio decoding (remember to switch to HW decoding in the preferences!), but in had some

problems with the 1080 .ts

too - it had a thin flickering greenish line on the bottom while playing and A/V was pretty badly desynchronised. It seems there's a major need for better codecs for Android devices, as it doesn't seem to be CPU-related, but I am not sure how this is managed in Android. 8GB 720p .mkv and 11GB 1080p .mkv played very smoothly with buffer size set to 0, but with max. setting (8MB) they were pretty much lagged ("buffering" popping up all the time), so I advise you to leave it as in the default settings (0).

Jumping to various parts of the movie was really fast and I can't complain about it.

I experienced some problems with playing files

in the background

, which seems to be featured only by VPlayer from the above three. It did play very smoothly without lagging the device (I could see only very minor lags while playing the 1080p 11G .mkv file while running fast through the menus and opening new pages in Chrome) and did not slow down the device at all, but then it would just

stop playing after ~10-20 seconds

. This is perhaps something to override in (system?) settings.

The stock video player played only the .avi movie file (DivX, I believe) and mp4 file from device's camera, so it is not even worth mentioning as a serious possibility.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Here's a comparison benchmark of I/O & SQL performance.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...hmark-11-modern-devices-compared-in-13-tests/

Hardly any Tegra 3 tablets (Nexus 7 being the best) performed admirably...

Asus tablets in general... performed utterly crap.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Unfortunately using NTFS still isn't great at all on Android. I've just tried to copy some files (in Total Commander and stock file browser) from the NTFS-formatted full-size SD Card to internal storage and I constantly got read errors, even with some 100-500MB files (which, curiously enough, I did not get while playing huge .mkv files). After re-formatting to FAT32 everything seems to work fine again, but then there is the 4GB file-size limit... (I've experienced various - major to minor - lags now while copying the files and trying to use the device).

It seems that we'll have to get used to copying bigger files from our PCs directly to Infinity's internal storage or using media-streaming when possible..

Edit: Unfortunately I was to happy to admit it was NTFS-related. TC copied the biggest files from the FAT32-formatted SD Card and then it showed errors while trying to read two smallers files (I am not sure if filename with special chars has anything to do with it). Can it be another major I/O issue with the Infinity???[

Edit: After removing and re-inserting the card I was wable to copy both files a few times without any issues apart from minor lags in the copying process itself. Very strange.

---------- Post added at 06:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:43 PM ----------

Are there any non-Tegra 3

tablets

in this comparison that would justify such a conclusion?
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Thanks for all the info man, I'll have to check it out myself when I get it. I'm sure Asus is already looking for a fix. And you'll have to make a thread somewhere on how to change the settings you were talking about.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
:)

I can start a separate thread, but do you mean build.prop tweaks or some other settings?
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Just make a thread about how to tweak the I/O performance. :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
I don't think we can make a conclusion but at least the current results show that Tegra 3 tablets perform poorly.

Until Galaxy Note 10.1, Infinity Pad 700 S4 dual-core version, and etc.. drops... we won't see any comparisons.

However, we can compare it to previous gen. of tablets.... and well...

HP Touchpad using S3 dual-core... performs favorably against all the Tegra 3 tablets =/
[Asus Transformer TF700] Chillyw:
I was looking forward to getting the tf700 as an upgrade to my Xoom for the upgrade from the tegra 2, size, dock, and screen. I use my tablet to mainly browse the web with chrome, watch Netflix, read books, take notes in meetings, and play games.

How bad are the I/O issues? Are they so bad that I'm not going to have a good experience using chrome, Netflix, etc? I can't tell if this is going to be something that causes me to hate buying it or if it would work for me as a Xoom upgrade.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
No, not that bad. I have been using it for a week successfully.

BUT... just got the rainbow-flickering borders (stripes showing on the left side when switching between OfficeSuite and RepliGo) for the first time :/ hopefully the update will solve this one.

---------- Post added at 11:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:08 PM ----------

As you wish: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28427614

Remember to share your opinions on tweaking the Infinity!
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
TF700T - Thermal cam pictures

When you have access to toys, you have to use em right?

So here's some thermal cam pics.

I didn't know what to load it with so I just ran AnTuTu repeatedly.

It didn't seem to warm more than the last pics even though I kept repeating it. Maby some other test would activate more hw at once?
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Thanks, that's certainly good to see! :)

I've being doing the same - running AnTuTu repeatedly, although for different reasons ;-) It was 34*C here today and I got to about 39*C battery temperature with my Infinity. Then it didn't get warmer, but the benchmarks started to show lower results, so I believe there's some kind of GPU-downscaling mechanism which handles this, so your device won't burn (nor burn your palms, as Acer's new toy).
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
I have been pondering the same.

I think the performance is taking a hit to protect our mittens.

The matte screenprotector made a nice emissive surface and the eloxed (or something?) alu is also nicely emmissive instead of reflective giving the thermal cam a good view. (I attached some pieces of tape which I normally use on non-emissive surfaces to get readings, but they gave same temps on the Infinity so the readings seem sane.)

Trying to play some normal half/hd and hd content from my UHS-1 µSD was not very impressive either. I keep getting stuttering and my browser is horrid when surfing more than one page. I feel the platform needs more work before it is good to go.

(This is what apple is good at, getting things working smoothly before delivering so as not to hassle the customers with a shoddy experience.)
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
That's true, iPads run very smoothly, but try multi-tasking on iOS ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
What multi-tasking?
[Asus Transformer TF700] phonic:
It's easy to multi-task on iPads.

You just need two of them.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
Not really my point though. What you can do is smooth. The rest they ofcource do everything in their power to prevent you from even trying.

Don't get me wrong here. I utterly loathe apple products in most aspects. Not just hate, but completely and utterly loathe em. Everything I say is thus to be taken with this into consideration, and a little anti-apple filter to be used before reading what I write, but they do test stuff better before releasing and they do appear to think that their image is worth more than just shuffling a product out there. Other vendors could learn something in that one aspect.

It's a bit understandable too though, if you don't have hw that allows somooth multitasking, then don't let the users multitask. They could however just have a "pro-mode" however to let users try stuff for the heck of it, instead of making ppl to hack around the limits and then claiming their warranty void for doing so.

I am curious as to when a update will be available for the TF700T though, the list of patches currently discussed seem to be on mine already, or atleast camera firmware and sub versions match what is listed on the update docs so far. I may still return my TF700T if I can't get it to play nicely from my fast sd card simple low-rez videos without stuttering. The browser also refuses to support html5 and seems to kick the video-player into gear instead forcing the streaming tv site (NRK in Norway) to think the page has been idling and thus cutting off the stream after 30 seconds. The video and audio isn't in sync either though. Oh, and it plays the wrong program (2 hours behind). (Tested with my brothers ipad and it was in sync on audio and also showed the live channel at live time, not 2 hours timeshifted.)

It's these little things I guess, not hw related, but shonky sw for now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Try some other browsers if you're having trouble. Dolphin, Chrome, Firefox...

That would be cost-effective...but I guess that doesn't matter to Apple fans anyways.
[Asus Transformer TF700] phonic:
Exactly.

Apple could come out with a new "product" called the iPad Duo. It would be two standard $500 iPads, but in one retail box. The only difference being that it has "iPad Duo" written on the exterior. They could sell them for $1200, and people would be lined up around the street to buy them.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
Well, that kind of proves my point though? I mean, about stuff working out of the box and such..

Truth be told though, the time error was my fault for not setting timezone right, but also the setup guide for not having a working back button.
[Asus Transformer TF700] pyinyeinaung:
Exactly.. if we have high IQ people than noob ppl, Apple will automatically fail.

No Chance of expansion, No chance of file managing easily, Even camera development on apple is very slow... they add Rear camera of very very low MP in their first pad or phone version, then... in 2nd version... Rear camera got upgraded from very very low MP to very low MP and front camera with very very low MP is added. Then in 3rd version, Rear camera may got like 5MP and front camera is still very very low MP...( also Rear camera got no flash ).. In 4th version.. Rear camera got flash and nothing else changed apart from that. every pad and phone are like that from apple.

For Android, As u know.. they always make big jump !
[Asus Transformer TF700] phonic:
I think the problem goes beyond just intelligence.

I know many people who are extremely intelligent who just adore Apple products. Hell, I even know very intelligent tech savvy people who also love them. Even dev guys who like to tinker and understand the limitations.

It boggles my mind how they would not only put up with so many manufacturer restrictions, but even pay a premium for it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Einride:
Thanks for those pics. That's a sweet toy you've got there :good:

It seems IPS+ mode heats up the edges of the case somewhat, but it doesn't seem too bad. And low 40s when under load doesn't seem bad either.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ajdisse:
My take on it is that the device deliberately slows down (runs in the low power 5th core?) if it starts getting too hot.

Saves the device (which as someone who's been the victim of the HTC Desire overheating bug is a good thing) - but does it impact performance too much?

For my user case probably not - unless it can't play full screen 720/1080 video while running in low power/low temperature mode.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
Mine stutters on even simple video and I've tried many different players.

It also takes long to start playing.

What we need is somehting that can graph the performance over time.

Running a small 1-5 second number-crunching test on N cores and graphing the result for every run of the test. Then as it heats up we could see how it impacts performance.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Do you mean the battery-saving mode (-> previous posts) or just having such a problem in general?

MX Player and VPlayer have been working pretty OK for me (in spite of some issues which I've discussed above).
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
Tried both MX Player and VPlayer as well as a few others. Even VLC.

They just don't play well from memcard. (SanDidsk Mobile Ultra 32GB UHS-1)

I can play hd video from youtube fine, and video from network too, just not from storage.

Anyone wanna write a small graphing benchmark app to test my theory?
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
That's interesting. I don't have these problems. Are you on the noop scheduler?

And do you mean microSD or full-size SD? (I have the "Ultra" microSD and "Extreme" SD in my Infinity, the latter has been performing much better than the former, but I'm not sure what to blame).
[Asus Transformer TF700] edrodata:
VLC media player for Android™ beta

Thanks, tha_kreature.

I didn't know about this: "VLC Player Beta Lands on Android"

pcworld.com /article/258654/vlc_player_beta_lands_on_android.html

selected quotes:

"keep in mind it’s a beta"

"If you have one of the supported phones, then VLC for Android beta will give you access to your entire video and media library on the phone, with full search capabilities, including support for network streams, and subtitles (embedded and external) -- "

"Video decoding hardware acceleration is not enabled by default, so you will have to enable it from the preferences pane if your device is supported," (highlighting mine)

I don't think the TF700T is a supported device for hardware acc.

...and, of course...

VLC media player for Android™ beta

videolan.org /vlc/download-android.html

"We need help to test VLC under a variety of devices. Please join us on our forum."

So when can I post links?

Edro
[Asus Transformer TF700] superXXX:
Hello guys! Got any news for distribution of tf700 in Hong Kong? Or it will be released on the same day as US?

Many thanks!!
[Asus Transformer TF700] s300pmu1:
Tried using another card?

I saw owners writing of 13+ gig bdrips playing fine from the card.

Might be the culprit.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
The card is a µSD card marked SDSDQU-032G-U46A and is a µSDHC card supporting UHS-1.

Testing it with a MicroMate reader (SDDR-329) with attos shows attached results. (I don't think the reader supports uhs-1 so card is probably in normal mode.)

I'll test with a few other cards to compare.

Since I do not have a dock yet I can't test fullsize cards.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
I get similar speeds with this microSD card in my Infinity, a little less sometimes.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tha_kreature:
On the Infinity I get 12 MB/s write but drops to 8 after a long test and 19 MB/s read. Not very impressive.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Eroc162:
Does the memory card still stick out like the Prime.
[Asus Transformer TF700] modulator03:
No, they have updated the design so the card doesn't protrude from the device like the prime.
[Asus Transformer TF700] californiarailroader:
I got this today from J&R about my Transformer Infinity Pre Order-

"Dear ,

We are sorry to inform you that the following item(s) you ordered

are currently not in stock. We have these on order with the manufacturer,

and hope to have them available shortly. We sincerely apologize for any

inconvenience this may cause you. Please be assured that we are doing our

best to obtain these for you as quickly as possible. If this is a "special

order" or a "pre-order" item, please be aware that this email is

automatically sent on all orders that are waiting for stock to arrive.

There is no need to contact us for a substitution on pre-orders or special

orders. If you would like to contact us, please use the information below.

Order Number:

Model Product Description

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

ASU TF700TB1GR ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 32GB 10.1" Android Tablet - Grey

"

It's getting close now!
[Asus Transformer TF700] eleger91:
Are you sure that the TF 700 accept 64 go cards because the 64 go are SDXC and not SDHC...and the manual isn't very easy to read because in chinese