yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
Use a small flat screwdriver and compare my fotos with you devive to find out where the clips are. Then pull the side upwards with the screwdriver don't push the clips with the nose down. Sorry my English is not the best hope you can understand what I mean. Good luck and don't use to much power.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] realismo:
What do you mean?
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
Before I opened the device I saw some pictures from others. It seems that we could sold another ram chip on the side. So after I opened it I saw that my device isn't the same as I saw on the pictures.

Think this can't be done.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] nashi20002003:
Don't Expect better battery or speed...

I tested battery drop after in 3 different gen 9 archos...one with original, one with a massive 1TB, one with M4 SSD...

No significant battery improvements...Giving it's not scientific test but still.

Every time I measured battery after one how of playing video and always had a drop of around 25% to 27% in both of them..

I also tried a hybride SSD/HDD seagate and same thing.

So please do the SSD replacement for other reasons; quite operation, less, heat, less weight, less failure. As af as speed and power consumption not very much to gain acording to my tests.

The only explanation may well be that since Archos is already pairing Flash to HDD and caching...the HDD is turned off as needed. Ran seveal speed test reading and writing...and did not see much change...I guess it'all just go thru the cache flash used by the HDD versions of Archos.

That was my experience. I reverted back to my 1Tb HDD..No gain for me with an expensive HDD. The hDD is very cheap and if it fails I can still replace it just like that.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
Thank you to share your experience with us.

Could you give some technical data from the different drives you try?

One important data is Ampere and the second is Volt. As you can see in first post it is not high with the original drive (2.5W). But with a drive which will use only 1W it must be a less battery consumption.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] scholbert:
Hi UUK3!

Just thought to give a comment on that, to avoid confusion:

In our Gen9 devices RAM is soldered as PoP on top of the CPU.

These chips could not be easily replaced.

The free footprint your are talking of is only present on the mainboard of the S models (flash based devices). In theory you could place a second NAND chip on these solder pads to increase flash memory.

On the H models (HDD based devices) this area is used for the USB2SATA logic.

Please do not mix up RAM and NAND based memory, this often leds to confusion.

Cheers,

scholbert
[Gen9, Gen10 General] nashi20002003:
I tested an Archos 101 G9 with the original drive. Tech Specs are the same you mentioned above...Seagate Momentus Thins 5200 RPM...8MB cache. ALso G9 80 Original Drive. Then I replaced in them my 1 TB drive Samsung pinpoint M8 HN-M101MBB 1TB. Checked the drop in battery % after one hour of playing the same video. Then I tried the same thing with Seagate Momentus XT 750GB Hybrid Drive Review (ST750LX003). I did not notice a difference in speed test performed by SDTester app and same with power consumption after playing the same video.

In my research Samsung SSD 830 and Crucial m4 are some of the best. with quality and performance. I was going to buy the 512 mb M4 Before I do so I bought the 64gb version...( Crucial 64 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT064M4SSD2) replaced that and did the same test...with no significant difference in battery drop. Even speed did not change...(which I expect since the Archos tablet is always going thru it's flash caching for reading and writing.) I wa more looking for power consumption. M4 is a 2.5 SSD with lower power needs the Hdd and have the below listed specs:

Power Consumption (Idle)

< 65 mW

Power Consumption (Active)

0.15W

Operating Temperature

0°C ~ +70°C

Storage Temperature

-40°C ~ +85°C

Max Shock Resistance

1500G
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
I tested my device now for a few days with the new SSD (1.8'' 128GB).

My impression is:

- nearly no loading times

- no heat building

- better battery life (standby 3 days, videoplay 5hours, mixed use about 10hours)

- device is lighter but the heaviest things are the 2 batteries.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] rickwyatt:
could someone how has the archos 80 g9 turbo 250gb hhd post a adb of the partition layout

adb shell

#df

#cat proc/partitions

And post it here thanks
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
When you tell me how exactly to do that i can post it from the 101G9 Turbo 250GB
[Gen9, Gen10 General] rex_4321:
Do 9mm 2.5" drives fit into the case alright ?

As the original 250GB drive is 7mm, I was wondering whether there was enough room ?
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
Yes they fit, but not perfectly. After put it in i have some screen issues. Like flikering backlight touching the screen and on black or white Backgrounds a light ugly circle which comes from the pressure the 9mm device do.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] rmartine57:
My device is 101 g9 turbo 250GB

Hi UUK3 and others

This is the information from the commands (current)

rmartine@linux-u6ei:~> adb shell

* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *

* daemon started successfully *

BusyBox v1.7.2 (2012-04-06 14:51:36 CEST) built-in shell (ash)

Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

/ # df

Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on

devtmpfs 456208 64 456144 0% /dev

/dev/mmcblk0p2 283711 181160 99622 65% /mnt/system

/dev/mmcblk0p4 1536080 754236 766240 50% /data

/dev/loop0 380807 328852 48023 87% /

tmpfs 456208 64 456144 0% /dev

tmpfs 456208 4 456204 0% /tmp

tmpfs 456208 0 456208 0% /mnt/asec

tmpfs 456208 0 456208 0% /mnt/obb

/dev/block/mmcblk0p1 32512 19699 12814 61% /mnt/rawfs

/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 283711 181160 99622 65% /mnt/system

/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 1536080 754236 766240 50% /data

/dev/fuse 1536080 754236 766240 50% /mnt/nand

/dev/block/vold/8:1 242271392 16213656 223615776 7% /mnt/storage

/dev/block/vold/8:1 242271392 16213656 223615776 7% /mnt/secure/asec

/ # cat /proc/partitions

major minor #blocks name

7 0 393216 loop0

179 0 1912832 mmcblk0

179 1 51200 mmcblk0p1

179 2 292991 mmcblk0p2

179 3 7840 mmcblk0p3

179 4 1560672 mmcblk0p4

179 16 1024 mmcblk0boot1

179 8 1024 mmcblk0boot0

8 0 244198584 sda

8 1 244196001 sda1

/ #

I am going to change the hdd for a 120gb ssd - I want to increase at least /data and be able to load linux. Could you tell me if I can modify the ramdisk by adding this ssd? How?

Thanks a lot for your help this forum has been a lot of help to me.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] rmartine57:
Update - Puff after breaking the lsd ....

Report:

I took the 250gb hdd and replaced it with an ssd 128gb It was not easy as I spent mostly all time fixing the cable to the lsd which got disconnected and I tough I had damaged it. Finally I was able to connect it again and it worked.

The problem now is that I can not see the ssd :(

df is

/ # df

Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on

devtmpfs 456208 64 456144 0% /dev

/dev/mmcblk0p2 283711 181160 99622 65% /mnt/system

/dev/mmcblk0p4 1536080 760540 759936 50% /data

/dev/loop0 380807 328852 48023 87% /

tmpfs 456208 64 456144 0% /dev

tmpfs 456208 4 456204 0% /tmp

tmpfs 456208 0 456208 0% /mnt/asec

tmpfs 456208 0 456208 0% /mnt/obb

/dev/block/mmcblk0p1 32512 19699 12814 61% /mnt/rawfs

/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 283711 181160 99622 65% /mnt/system

/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 1536080 760540 759936 50% /data

/dev/fuse 1536080 760540 759936 50% /mnt/nand

as before but I lost (obviously) /mnt/storage

Partitions is:

/ # cat /proc/partitions

major minor #blocks name

7 0 393216 loop0

179 0 1912832 mmcblk0

179 1 51200 mmcblk0p1

179 2 292991 mmcblk0p2

179 3 7840 mmcblk0p3

179 4 1560672 mmcblk0p4

179 16 1024 mmcblk0boot1

179 8 1024 mmcblk0boot0

8 0 117220824 sda

So it seems that the sda is recognized but I dont know how to create a partition in Android, the SDE does not allow me to mount it HELP!
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
Have you tried to format it in Android?

(I have formatted it with a Linux live CD to ext4 before changing.)
[Gen9, Gen10 General] rmartine57:
Had to go back to 250GB

:(

Well I formatted it on Android. Could not format ext4 and I could not find other than ext3 on the busybox. Also, when I started using it, even when I mounted one of the partitions on /mnt/storage and the other under /data, I could not increase the space for /data/local to have more room for Linux or another image. Also, Android started behaving bad. I could not mount it on my desktop via adb. Copy a simple file took hours and in ADE it was impossible to mount it. I open it up again and swapped the disk back. The SSD is back on the store and I am on square one again.

I am not an expert on images, so if I could get an image for linux that is not bigger than 400MB I could test dual boot. Any one wants to hemp me? I am trying to get up to speed in kernels but it will take me some time.

Thanks a lot
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Shoober:
I am planning on following this excellent post and taking the plunge into replacing my Original 250GB HDD in my Archos G9 101 Turbo with a Samsung 2.5 inch 512GB Basic Kit SSD 830 Series (MZ-7PC512B) drive.

The specifications indicate that the dimensions are 100.00 x 69.85 x 7.00mm. Do you think that 7.00mm is thin enough so as not to cause the "Small spot on the screen from the pressure?"

I have read in some places the the original is 8mm thick, and in other places that it is either 7mm or just less than 7mm.

Any help will be greatly appreciated
[Gen9, Gen10 General] @lber:
If original HDD is 7 or 8mm thick, it must not do the ugly spot 9.0mm hdd does with a 7mm ssd.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] gen_scheisskopf:
Format Media Storage in Recovery- this shoud create partition on the disk (it's not formatted at all now)
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Shoober:
Well, I finally got my new Samsung 830 series 512GB SSD (7mm thin) yesterday afternoon. Within two hours I had replaced the original HDD with the new SSD. Everything is working fantastically.

I formatted and partitioned the SSD (as EXT4) externally using Windows 7 and "MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition 7.1".

On first Archos start up the drive was not recognized so on the Archos I went to "Repair and Formatting" and then selected "Reset Media Storage". This sorted everything out. I now have 473GB of total usable space.:good:

To me my Archos seems to be snapper than before (maybe it is the placebo effect):)

I want to thank UUK3 for this excellent post.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] UUK3:
Thank you too.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] steve adams:
No placebo effect. Ssd is way faster than an hdd. I think I may have to get a new 80g9 with the hdd and swap in an ssd. Then root serdu's new fast rom, suoercharge it. Should be a speedy tablet with insane storage.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Falk5T:
Archos 80 G9 + OCZ Agility 3 -> Cannot write

Hello XDA Folks,

I have also tried to upgrade my Archos 80 G9 with a SSD.

I ordered a Vertex 2 but got an Agility 3. At first thought I considered this as pure Luck and proceeded with changing the Hardware.

It did not work out so fine at first. But after spending around 7 hours straight Time experimenting and Trying to get the SSD to work. It finally showed the entire memory on the Device AND on my Computer via USB.

But It just does not work at all.

The Problem is, when I access the SSD I can, as far as I tested, read everything. But I can't write too much on it or the Device will reboot immediately. When I hook the Archos up to my USB I can access the SSD and for example put a single .mp3 file on it. I can also play this File without problem.

But when I try to put a bigger File onto the Drive it starts to transmit the Data fairly fast, but then abruptly stops to transmit and reboots the device after some time. My computer then gives an Error message which says that the Drive is not accessible.

I don't know how this can be. Is the Memory Controller in the Archos at fault, because It cannot handle such a fast Drive. Or Is it the fact that the drive is SATA3 and the Archos uses SATA2. Or could it be that the drive just requires a very high current for a short period, which causes the voltage to break in in the rest of the Device.

I can try to send the SSD back and ask for a Vertex 2 instead (which I originally ordered). But the Guarantee seal is already broken and im not sure If they will believe me I broke it while shoving it into some Shaft in my computer.

Sorry for the bad english, I hope the problem came through clearly. Does anyone of you guys have an Idea why my Drive is behaving so badly?

Thanks in advance. Worked from 11:00 AM till 07:00PM straight without any success, I hope you can at least give me a clear direction.

Greetings, Falk5T
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
So, it is not just a matter to format the ssd accordingly to the older hdd, right? Have you try to re-install everything from zero using the tablet? I was thinking about do this with my 80G9, but i'm still afraid of some of these points.

Also, there is another topic about this in the forum... I cant post the link, due my limitations as user, but is not very difficult to find. In there, it seems that the guy used a sata III drive, and he used a 80G9.

Look for the topic 'Successfully upgraded the hard drive in an 80G9 250gb'
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Falk5T:
I have been sitting at it for more than 8 Hours straight. Of course I tried everything.

There were few phases which it went through.

1. The Drive was not recognized in the Device. Internally "Format Data Storage" did not help. I extracted the SSD again and formatted it on my PC to EXT4. This also did not do the trick. Apparently "Reset Media Database" (or similar) was the key to find it. I think it would have worked before too, but I tried this option the first time AFTER Formatting externally. So the best thing wold be to Immediately format the Drive after testing it with a native File System.

2. The Drive was recognized but not via USB. I could fix that by resetting the whole device to factory settings. I could then see the memory in the device as well as on my pc via USB.

3. I can not run the Archos stable with the SSD, it will reset itself immediately after trying to transfer more than 15Mb at once from my PC to the SSD on the device. Reading from the SSD works generally fine. Too much usage will also lead restarts. So Its unusable.

The third and last fault is the one I could not fix, which makes me think it generally would work, but probably stable with a SATA2. (And I so hoped it would just get better with the faster SSD, as it could stable run at the max of the SATA2 speed and will stay cool as it only uses 45% of its maximum speed.

But I have written a quite detailed guide about carefully open the Archos and exchanging the Drive, with lots of pictures. Its in German thou. Check krautchan dot net then go to /t/ - technik. You should find it quite easily. I could also Upload the pictures here, I guess its quite the benefit for some to actually see what the Device looks like from the Inside in detail. Also pictures are not blurry.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
Thanks! I'll look in that. :good:

I saw a russian video on youtube with a guy opening it too. I just told about the other topic because you though that the problem was the SATA III drive, and the guy there used a SATA III (I think).

Keep posting, i wanna know the end of the tale. :D
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Falk5T:
The end of the Story is, that someone suggested I should try to jumper the SSD down to SATA2 only. There is actually no possibility to do that. But It sparked the Idea of updating the Firmware, as I remember OCZ had a lot of trouble with their Firmwares and newer ones were to fix a lot of bugs.

So I pried the Archos open again, which was again a lot of trouble (but I gained the final knowledge to open it effectively) .

Got the SSD out and used the OCZ toolkit to update the Firmware from 2.22 up to 2.25.

Long story short, it DID at least something. Instead of being able to only transfer 250Mb at once on the SSD, I was able to transfer 1,56Gb to the SSD before it hung up.

I also always used the same Album (Fragile - Yes) to test the capability of the SSD. I had never succeeded in transferring that one. This time it really worked. I used USB2 this time thou. So I deleted it, to do the same via USB3. Worked nicely and fast.

Also the Playback worked as ever with the SSD. Really damn fast no loading time at all. Video starts running immediately after opening it.

But as I said it stops working after some something over 1,5Gb data transfer. And it could be this was the drives good day. It just won't work with this Drive. I can at least surely say, do not buy the OCZ Agility 3 to do the Job. I would recommend using SATA2 Drives only. I'm close to sure that those two controllers just won't work. Seeing the OCZ Petrol 128Gb work just fine, it could be coincidence.

But you should just do the hack, its totally worth it. I will not give this up of course. I will send the SSD back (in hope they just don't mind the broken Warranty Seal) and acquire a Vertex 2 240GB/256GB and slip that one in. I'm quite routinized now in changing the Hard drive of the Archos.

When I got the other SSD, I will update here and hope to find out more about how to properly upgrade the Archos 80 9G.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
Thanks. I will try (am trying, actually :D). There is one or two of those clips that i'm stuck with. This kind funny, because the others opened really quick. Anyways, if you have some 'trick' to help me let me know.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
Many, many thanks to you! You really detailed pretty well there, and reading and seen the pictures in the site you posted it was really clarifying. :D

I'm going to buy a ssd disk this week. At some point of my life (which i expect to be soon enough lol), I will tear apart my archos and put the disk in.

Great job! :good: :good: :good: :good:

Just one last question. Can you put the ssd with its case inside the archos, or is there a problem with this?
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Falk5T:
There will definitely be a problem with that. In tho most cases you will have a huge pressure mark on your Display, because the SSD is simply too thick. (Looks like pressing too hard on the Display with your finger).

There might be SSD's which have cases as small as the Seagate Momentus thin, then it would work. It might look convenient to leave the SSD in its case, especially short-circuit and warranty wise. But I guess the heat management will be better without case.

But that should not be a problem at all (SSD's should not get hot anyway). The real benefit is, that even when you twist the Archos a bit, you won't have any pressure marks at all. Right now with the Momentus Thin, it should be there.

In older HDD 80 G9's that was a huge problem for many users.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
Hi again,

Today I bought a samsung ssd 840, which i believe to be a little bit thinner than the OCZ you used. Following all the instructions... Actually, it wasnt that hard to open the archos. The problem was that I wasnt understand the clips. Once I get used, the rest was pretty easy. Just the part to open the side which has 80 g9 that I was reluctant, but closed my eyes and it als went well. :P

Anyways, following all the steps, but the one to take of the ssd from its case, now I have a 120 gb ssd archos. Still didnt noticed anything different in the screen (think because of the ssd in thinner).

Also, i bought this one because of the write velocity, which is comparable to the ocz petrol, but the drive is still sata 3.

I want thank you again for encouraging me to do this. :D

One more thing, I think the down part, the one with the archos written, do not close as well as it was before. In yours this also happened?

I'll do some tests and I let you know about this write thing...

Thanks again
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
There is also this tiny metalic piece, which i dont know where it is from. But I think it broke from somewhere, close to the volume button. Nevertheless, the tablet is working well.

Untill now i have copy lots of things to the tablet, and saw no problem.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Amadeus01:
Question, if space is a isseu, then why not use Sd cards in stead of a harddrive.

They are a lot smaller.

There are 128 Gb sd cards, if you got the luck to get a cheap one......

Just need to think about rewiring.

Just a thought
[Gen9, Gen10 General] CAHbKA1:
I have question

any chance to fix screen multitouch freeze error if more accurate isolate HDD with, for example, 2 metallic layer or so ?
[Gen9, Gen10 General] caiobemacedo:
I think in most of these microsd card tablet you have a limitation of capacity of the card, which is 32 gb. Another thing is that we dont wanna buy a new tablet just for this... Is just some points of the hdd versions that we dont like. But with these tablets used a microsd up to 128gb would be great, for sure.

The key is: take off the ssd from its case, or get a ssd as thin as the Seagate in the archos, which is 7mm, I think.

About the other question. I think adding more things besides the ssd would push even more the screen, and I could be damaged, or it could be that you wouldnt be able to close the tablet. The best you is to take off the ssd or use, as I said, a thinner ssd (I think that there are some samsungs and M4 that can handle it).
[Gen9, Gen10 General] Falk5T:
Yes, if the SSD is even with its case smaller or has the same height it should be fine. I'm very looking forward to your test results.

Yes, when I thought I closed it, it still was open a bit. Applying some more pressure just let it snap in and it closed perfectly again. I'm glad I could help you with your hack. :> I hope everything works fine.

I myself will not send it back immediately, I guess I will take the 60GB Vertex 2 from my PC and try it with that one. I also want to try rooting the Archos and try to install newer memory controller drivers if there are any. But I need the name of the Memory controller chip. I don't want to open it that far as the chance is very high I would wreck it. So I might even buy a defective one from ebay to screw around with and disassemble it completely.

Of course I will document everything and will be taking sharp pictures of every part.

Good Luck to you!
[Gen9, Gen10 General] vinksan:
Hi,

I've tried to change for an SSD and i've brick my USB port anyone have a solution? Thanks.

Peace.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] carlos4285:
Moving Apps to SSD

Are you able to install or move Apps to the new SSD? I own two of these and would be interested in doing this upgrade just for the performance increase but I would definitely do it if I can move or install apps to the drive.
[Gen9, Gen10 General] carlos4285:
APPS

Are you able to install or move apps to your new drive and use them?
[Gen9, Gen10 General] lakhipa:
Any firmware restrction

Is there any firmware beyond which this upgrade is not possible as i have failed with 504.

Also is there a possibility of patched firmware.

Thanks
[Gen9, Gen10 General] frenchgege:
Hello,

My tablet is a 80G9 Turbo with HDD.

I recently removed the 256GB internal hard drive, and replaced it with a SSD.

I pre-partitionned the new drive (before installing), on my computer using GPARTED.

First part : ext4 and called A80H

I don't know if the name is important, but i put the same name it was...

Second and third parts : ext4

Last : Fat32

After that I did a cp of all the files, from the old drive to first partition on the new drive.

The new drive is a Samsung 840pro 128GB, Very low power consumption.

256GB or more GB SSD where too expensive for me, and I had no use...

This increased my battery life, but no real speed increase!
[Gen9, Gen10 General] frenchgege:
Hi

Archos 80G9 Turbo with 250GB (Was 250, but now is 128GB SSD)

Some speed tests... Done with "SD Card Tester" and 2GB test file.

On first ext4 partition :

Write : 23.1 MB/s

Read : 15.5 MB/s

Same on second ext3 partition :

Write : 21.9 MB/s

Read : 14 MB/s

On third ext4 partition :

Write : 23.MB/s

Read : 14.8 MB/s

Same on fourth Fat32 partition :

Write : 22.6 MB/s

Read : 13.5 MB/s

Does somebody have speed tests done with original HDD ?

Thanks