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[G2 and Desire Z General] mputtr:
I unplugged my phone yesterday at around 11am and it's currently 11:37am. My battery life is at: 76%

I used it only a tiny bit, but considering it's been checking my emails every hour, I'm pretty impressed...(oh this also includes a normal restart which usually drains 8% battery for some odd reason...)
[G2 and Desire Z General] alpha-niner64:
Thanks for the tip. On your word alone. I know what my next phone purchase might be. :) I sought out a friend who has a Vibrant and oh my god...the Wolfson chip w/ voodoo is a huge difference in sound quality for the better. Now if only the Captivate Glide would make its way to T-MO will I know for sure what I'll be investing in.
[G2 and Desire Z General] RushAOZ:
No prob man :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] tapeworm4602:
I'm still ultimately pleased with mine. It's a solid device that holds up and competes with the majority of most dual core devices out there. To state the obvious, the boredom sets in from Gingerbread becoming stale and tapped of it's "wow" factor.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tw0f4z3:
Isn't there the HTC Merge? It's part of the G2/Desire Z/Vision family but for Verizon...

I've been anxious for a successor to my Desire Z...

Hopefully HTC will announce something sooner than later...

I've started to contemplate an unlocked Samsung Galaxy II or a Nokia N9..

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I was pricing the Captivate Glide on ebay yesterday...

unlocked, of course...

it looks like a good phone...

I may have to take the plunge for it or a Galaxy III perhaps...
[G2 and Desire Z General] ChristianFS1:
Sort of, yes...

yeah, i've become a little bored with my DZ, still rocking sense 3.0 . i'm hoping a sense 4.0 rom will come out soon, i'm sure it'll make it last atleast half a year longer ! :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] pearse:
I'm the opposite, i'm bored with my GNex and i've switched back to using my DZ. Besides the larger screen, there's not much my GNex can do faster or better than a tweaked DZ.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
I believe you all know that the G2 was and is the only phone HTC has ever made with that hinge design. And there is a possibility that they will never make any other like it.

So what makes all so confident that T-Mobile didn't commision the Doubleshot as its successor? It completely fits as a worthy replacement.

It is so much more quicker and has a gpu four times as powerful as the G2.

HTC is now on its second generation (the One series) since the G2 (Desire generation). The only phone in the same generation as the sensation that got a physical qwerty keyboard is the Doubleshot. If you aren't content with it I really don't think you will be getting anything else, in my opinion.

sent from a hacked Phone Booth using XDA
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
Well, you do have a Vision, and a Doubleshot.

Do a comparison between how both of these phones perform. And I'm not talking about benchmarks, I'm talking about real use. How much time does it take to make a phonecall? How well can both phones play music or a game? How fast are they when used in general (non considering smoothness). I bet that at best the Doubleshot will be a second or two faster. And what new features that actually make it worth upgrading is it packed with? None.

Another thing to consider is dev support, as well as ROM count. The Vision is again superior at both. That has to do with the fact that the Doubleshot is a T-Mob only phone, unlike ours which is Worldwide shipped.

And lastly, HTC will probably release one device that has a hardware keyboard, most likely a bit later than the release of the current One series phones.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=23162512

And one more thing, just a bit faster? No. The vision spends significantly more time loading and there is noticable stutter when you use it compared to the the Doubleshot.

The Doubleshot still has an edge clocked at 800mhz and the Vision at 1.4ghz(1.5 just causes mine to heat up quite a bit when I game with it)

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[G2 and Desire Z General] olyloh6696:
I'm actually surprised that HTC didn't announce a 'One' device with a keyboard.

It's meant to be their flagship lineup, they should include a variety of different devices to appeal to consumers
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
What baseband does your cellular provider operate at? I get the full 21Mbps on the Doubleshot, and am not on T-Mobile. We don't have T-Mobile in our country. I didn't mention it because I don't do much downloading on it. But incase you were wondering I prefer surfing on the Doubleshot in comparison to the G2.

Also I tried full HD video on the G2 and it would sometimes stutter and had quite a bit of lag during seeking. The doubleshot on the other hand, even downclocked to 800Mhz played smoothely and did everything without stutter.

I am a big fan of the Doubleshot's camera. Even at 5Mpx/720p the G2 does not even come close to the quality. Being able to take videos in low light conditions is its biggest plus imo.

You can't possibly expect me to put every single detail of my everyday usage of the phone here. Yes, I agree I have mentioned its speed quite often, but that's because of how much faster I found it to be, and didn't expect that when I was getting it.

At the end of the day, I haven't seen a single post of anyone saying they regretted the choice of getting the Doubleshot and moving from the G2. There are a few things that take some getting used to but after that, no need to regress. Infact I'm so comfortable with it I haven't bothered to update the G2. Though I intend to when I get some free time.

I just don't get why the DS is getting so much negativity from G2 owners though.

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[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
Well aye, I've also found FHD videos to stutter on this phone, it's likely more of a RAM issue though. At the same time however, 720p plays fine and there's really no reason to go above that considering both phones have a screen that has a resolution of 480x800.

I think that saying the Vision userbase is negative towards the Doubleshot is a bit of an overstatement. It is, however an under-appreciated phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] olyloh6696:
Guys who are bored of the Z, then they upgrade to anothet HTC, whats the difference? Apart from the obvious change of new hardware (speed etc) you're still getting the same android htc UI. . .
[G2 and Desire Z General] mputtr:
well... that's the point of upgrades... better performance and usually better hardware (camera, sound, screen, etc) and not to mention that some people do like the looks of the newer phones.

Another thing to note is: HTC's sense is not the same across all their phones. The G2/DZ is currently limited (in the case of stock roms) to sense 2.1 while other phones come with sense 3.5 and the new sense 4.0. (this is purely referring to the stock ROM that HTC offers. I am not considering the fantastic roms that are made here on XDA)
[G2 and Desire Z General] GrievousMcG:
I'm at the place now where I'm a bit bored of my HTC Desire Z which is currently running stock gingerbread but I'm going to try and root it and put on a custom rom plus overclock it to 1GHz and that should keep me entertained for at least another 6 months.

By doing this, I get to discover the joy of Android and explore the benefits of having an open system with thanks to this community therefore extending my enjoyment with this phone. :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] demkantor:
Wow after reading all this I feel like I've been living in the stoneage! I've just UPGRADED to the G2 a week or so ago, rooted the next day, and I love it. I've been using the G1 forever before this I couldn't find a better keyboard so I refused to move on. For me the G2 is amazing - much better camera, way way faster, close to the same number of roms to choose from, almost as good of a keyboard (miss my five row) but I use this for phone calls, text, email, ebay, navigation, camera, and that's about it. I'm more than happy with this phone, again coming from some who uses his tablet for everything but phone stuff... why complain, for a phone this is amazing, think about your nokia you were so happy with 10 years ago, big leap forward ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] redpoint73:
Yeah, hardware is exactly my reason for wanting to upgrade. My tablet is an HTC Flyer, and the experience is so much smoother with the 1.5 GHz CPU and 1 GB of RAM. The interface is completely fluid, even with Honeycomb and Sense, and with browser and launcher reloads (due to being dropped from memory) being pretty rare. I've only played around with the newest phones at the store. But I have to imagine the experience is similar or even better (the upcoming One X has better specs than the Flyer).

Many on here of course will argue that you can tweak the DZ/G2 with lightweight ROMs, overclocking, and other tweaks. But its still never going to match the fluidity of current devices.

I'm also looking for an LTE phone. And also the camera on the One X is supposed to be amazing with great image quality, and virtually zero shutter lag. I hate to give up the hardware keyboard on my DZ. But its looking less and less likely that a flagship device with a keyboard is coming from any of the good manufacturers anytime soon. So if I need to go with no keyboard, I'll take the bigger screen.

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Everyone has different expectations and desires for how frequently they buy a new phone or other technology. I'm pretty much on a yearly (or maybe 1.5 year) cycle, so I couldn't imagine spending money on a device that is a year and a half old (like the DZ/G2). There is one person on here that recently mentioned he's owned 12 different phone in the last 2 years. And I'm sure there a people that can beat that.

Same thing with any consumer product. I kept my last car until it was 10 years old. Plenty of people lease a new car every 2 years.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Tommebaas:
Yes i'm buying the Galaxy Nexus.

Sent from my HTC Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z General] DeadSparrow:
Love it from the day one, but... Someday I'm gonna replace it with something easier to carry, probably without hardware keyboard. Or maybe, HTC will release replacement model for my Z, then the choice will be obvious ;-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Fidyyuan:
Buy a new case and make it look fresh. That's what I did :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] mrbmg:
Ill tell you how much I like the g2. I got a replacement mytouch 4g slide (doubleshot), and felt as if I could do everything that it did with my g2. My wifes phone (g2) started acting up, and they sent us a replacement g2 for it. I told her ill switch her phones, and she gave in after multiple problems with her previous g2. She misses her g2, though she does like sense.

Snappiness, and the camera are the only two things the g2 lack in my opinion of everyday use on stock roms. Hell, with ILWT, the snappiness is right up there. Also, the dev scene is totally lacking over there. The bootloaders are locked, though you can unlock with the htcdev method, or by uploading a custom pc59img.zip file, but still no s-off. Hats off to the devs over there though, they are trying.

Also, keyboards, my god you figure htc would learn! The doubleshot keyboard is wack! I know people have had problems with their g2's keyboard but you haven't felt messed up until you try and have a convo on that keyboard.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jrkr:
OK, I had to reply to this thread as I am actually looking to buy a 2nd Desire Z (spare & used) in case mine breaks down. I have noticed that this model is slowly disappearing from the shops.

It is the best phone I have ever owned and as I live in Finland there aren't any alternatives to consider as I need the Nordic keyboard layout. I will try and wait until (if) HTC releases a qwerty phone as good as this for the Nordic market.

:)
[G2 and Desire Z General] buxtahuda:
Oh, I've become complacent with mine over the year maybe, but certainly not tired of it! I'm hoping to go another one strong with it too, once I replace my burnt out camera flash! This phone is so wonderful, freaking single core processor and still not skipping a beat in being as awesome as my TFP and others' phones.

When I first got my phone I was flashing several ROMs a day. People gave up on me having a life lol, but once I came upon EliteMod the search was over. I loved lots of the Sense and MIUI stuff I was seeing, but overall I keep away from overlays just because they introduce unneeded resource hogging and bugs.

Now my phone works great, can be OC'ed to about 1.7 GHz before it starts freezing up, but more importantly can be UV'ed and UC'ed to last about 3-4 days and always presents the option of a comfortable (though flickering) physical keyboard.

Obviously physical keyboards mean a lot to me though, considering my choice in tablet as well, but I dread the day I have to start looking for another phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Whippler:
I love the phone, but i have somewhat tired of flashing roms. Tired of fooling around whit themes and all the customization. From now on i want a phone that works fine and looks finished out of the box. When i tested Lumia on store, i felt like changing to WP7... so shiny and snappy.

This is my first android phone, and i'v been using this one for ~15 months now. and its has been rooted for ~9 months.

I have settled down on MIUIandroid, it just works, even tough miui gets updated weekly, haven't bothered upgrading for a few weeks since this version works just fine.

I would love to go for MIUIv4, actually used for a week or two, but the bugs are too much for me, hope they get em fixed asap.

also interested in sense 4, and looks like it has already been ported for us, but is still buggy.

Thing is android needs root and custom roms to run nicely, and i'm tired of fooling around whit my phone, i just want to use it now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] potentdro:
Im starting to get tired of it too. In hindsight, I dont use the keyboard much, if not at all. So now the phone is just this device taking space in my pockets. I do like the build of the G2 though. It feels solid, unlike the SG2 which is lightweight, but man does it feel cheap. :p

I am looking at the SG3 and cant wait for it to be announced. Depending on the specs, it may be my next phone, hopefully.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Like others I am too ready for a new phone and I've felt this way for almost 6mths, but there just is nothing with a keyboard.

I'm going to draw a line in the sand. If there is nothing decent with a qwerty announced by the time the SGS3 is released then I'm going with that.

The SGS3 will likely be top of the pile for a few months anyway, like the SGS2 and SGS before it, so if something with a qwerty comes out later then I should still be able to sell the SGS3 for a half decent price.

But I have a funny feeling that the time of top end qwertys has finished, for good :( NOT happy about that at all, but I guess I'm going to just have to get used to using Swype all the time.

EDIT: The HTC One X looks interesting, great screen, great camera etc - but you just know HTC will bungle the battery life. And no removable storage with these new phones is starting to get irritating as well.

I hope to god that Samsung don't try to get clever with the SGS3 - just stick a SAMOLED+ HD screen and your latest Exynos chip in the thing with a decent sized battery and removable SD card, it's not that hard...
[G2 and Desire Z General] RushAOZ:
I want an s3 lol can't wait for it to drop. I don't care for the hardware keyboard as I'm much better with the onscreen keyboard. Especially on a 4.5 inch screen. Have you guys ever tried it? I suggest you do. Much better than the g2s 3.7 inch screen.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
I've never had a bigger screen than the G2, but I can categorically say that I HATE tapping at an onscreen keyboard, I just make so many errors, every 3rd letter is an error and there's only so much that auto-correction can do. Even perfect auto-correction requires me to THINK about what I'm typing a lot more - with physical keys I don't have to think. The only way I can use an on-screen keyboard is with Swype - and I even hate that if it's more than one short sentence. I don't think Swype will be any better or worse on a bigger screen

I'm hoping that I'll get used to to keyboardless phones since that's the way things seem to be going, but I just don't like it full stop. I don't understand why at least one manufacturer won't release a top-end qwerty - well aside from Motorola with the Droid 4 which;

a. Isn't in the UK

b. Has a locked bootloader

Therefore I can't even consider it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tanveer_:
bored

i Feel it has aged, all the iphone 4s people make it look so old :(

well it isnt though I dont know why it doesnt pack that power it originaly had
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
I think it's safe to assume that the "iPhone 4S people" have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.

Well, they did fall for Apple's marketing.
[G2 and Desire Z General] demkantor:
+1
[G2 and Desire Z General] stephen31686:
Just upgraded less than a month ago to sg2 and have to say I dont miss it all, it was an awesome phone, had it almost 18 months but it was just time to move on.
[G2 and Desire Z General] redpoint73:
Comments like this reak of narrow-mindedness and only good for getting like-minded fanboys to pump their fists up and down. You're totally allowed to like or dislike whatever you want, and to talk about it. But comments like that border on bigotry, and add nothing to the conversation.

The iPhone 4S is a good device. Great hardware specs, and the screen and camera are much better than the G2/DZ. Of course its a completely different OS, and its closed architecture is not for everyone (particularly the type of people that hang out on XDA) - including myself.

Anyway, you'd be assuming wrong. Yes, there are a lot of dumbasses that own iPhones, due to the fact it is a very popular device. But almost all my close friends are iPhone owners, and that group consists of guys that work in the computer industry, a Linux fanatic, an MS from MIT, hackers, and otherwise very tech savvy guys. In many ways it still astounds me that they choose the iPhone. But hey, a phone is just a personal preference.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TenMaKo:
You should be patient. The phone is still a good deal (HW Keyboard forever !!!) but i'm tired of Gingerbread too. Hopefully, we will soon be able to use ICS and Sense 4 roms as a DD. Sense 4 is just amazing man, try it and you will love your "brand new" DZ ;p
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
I'm not (entirely) hating on Apple. Mostly on is it's fans that fall for their marketing trickery. Not like I care about it, but it becomes rather irritating to see them undervalue (to say the least) smartphones besides the iPhone, especially when they have no experience with devices in general outside of the Apple ecosystem. Hence, my previous reply.

With that said, inarguably the iPhone 4 is by no means a bad phone, in terms of performance, as well as functionality. It has a more user-interaction optimized OS, which in turn makes it smoother in general, and a lot more apps on it's store (or whatever it's called), when compared to other smartphone OS's stores/markets.

On the other hand there are some features about it which I simply cannot justify the need for. One of these are the Retina display. I've tried it, and it surely is more dense (with a whooping ppi of 326), but do you really need it? I personally don't see a reason to go over 250-260ppi on a smartphone. Especially with the iPhone, which already has a fairly small screen size. You'll only be able to tell the difference between 320 and 250ppi when looking at a very close distance, so it doesn't really matter. To me it seems like you're effectively paying for something you're never going to make use of...

Just my 2 cents though.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tbridgewater:
Agree! tried a few betas and Sense 4 is looking very good. So can't wait until all the bugs are ironed out.

I tried to move off to the new sensation xl and came back to the DZ, hardware keyboards make life so much easier, and the battery life is much better also.
[G2 and Desire Z General] redpoint73:
Now that's the type of intelligent discussion that I'm used to here.

As far as the "Retina"display (have to roll my eyes a bit at the Apple marketing jargon baloney), my thinking is that they wanted a display they could stick with for a couple generations, that was better (and possibly remain better) than anything else around. Since the previous generation (3GS) had a display that had really fallen far behind the competition with most other flagship phones of its generation (including the DZ/G2). Is the resolution really needed? No. But it does give them bragging rights, and normal Joe Blow loves fancy marketing names and impressive specs more than actual performance and value.

Funny thing, Apple is now capitalizing on the very thing that they fought against for so long, the fact that people will flock to something because its popular, and not necessarily the best product for everyone (in the case of PC's versus Macs). Personally I have much more angst against Apple as a corporation, than I do iPhone sheep. Now that Android has become a real threat to the iPhone's market penetration, Apple has chosen to go after Android with lawsuits rather than improving and innovating. Steve Jobs said he wanted to "destroy Android" and now his successors seem determined to fulfill that wish. Good forbid consumer should have freedom of choice.
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
Apple was and is, in my books a company that always tried to set itself apart and stand out when compared to the rest. It used to achieve this through innovation, now it does through marketing.

About the situation Apple is facing with Android, it seems natural (for them) to do everything they can to eliminate the competition. Sure, it's hypocritical, but hypocrisy is the very air they breathe...It's like a perpetual state of "being". Sad, but true.

To be fair though, it's not just apple doing it...pretty much every company (ie HTC and Beats, Samsung and AMOLEDs, etc)
[G2 and Desire Z General] olyloh6696:
I agree with what you say there. The iPhone has received a lot of hat from this forum. Everyone associates an iPhone owner with a total dumbass nowadays. There are a huge majority like that, but not everyone.

I don't personally like Apple products, but I gotta say that the iPhone 4S is a pretty amazing phone. The hardware is very good - not the best, but good enough for iOS to run 60fps all the time. That's more important than having monster specs that still cause lagginess.

Small gripe with the iPhone is the screen size. I think that 3.7" is the minimum boundary for smartphones, and 4.3" maximum (I hate the New breed if 4.7")

I would still consider the iPhone 4S a good upgrade from the G2.

Guys looking for a true G2 successor, wait for later this year, I'm sure HTC will release a keyboard device!