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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] NativeTxn:
I don't see how they could fairly base it on how much you personally/individually used the prior month/billing period. That could be even worse for some that don't use that much data even though they have an unlimited plan, as they could conceivably get throttled at 500 MB - maybe less. And furthermore, it flies in the face of their supposed concern which is the alleged "data hogs" on the network. Plus, if that were the case, wouldn't you just stream Pandora or something every night while you sleep and eventually get your "allowed" GB limit way up after a few months?

To me, if you are going to go with the ambiguous top 5% (as opposed to a sort of soft "cap" like T-Mobile's 5 GB throttle threshhold) the only fair way to do it is to base the 5% from the previous month/billing cycle on a nationwide standard of all UNLIMITED plan users (those on tiered plans should not be used in the calculation). A nationwide standard seems more equitable than punishing or rewarding people based on where they live and establishing the 5% "for a person's region." Why should I be punished or rewarded just because I live in Dallas when compared to someone who lives in Atlanta or NY.

To me, if they are going to insist on throttling and claiming it is based on bandwidth/spectrum concerns (which it is clearly not, since I'm sure they would gladly let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB in a billing period and just charge them $170 more that period - and someone using 20 GB of data on a tiered plan uses the same amount of bandwidth/spectrum as someone using 20 GB on an unlimited plan), then a reasonable policy would be something like:

1) If you are unlimited, you get up to 5 GB without having your LTE speeds throttled...ever (similar to T-Mobile's policy)

2) Once you go over 5 GB in a billing period, you can be throttled to 3G speeds if you are on a congested tower, but once you are connected to a non-congested tower (whether because you are on the same tower when you got throttled, but it is no longer congested, or you changed towers because you left the house, got home, etc.) you are back to LTE speeds (similar to Verizon's policy)

No more of this ambiguous, inconsistent 5% nonsense. Put something concrete and transparent in place. And in my opinion, either #1 or #2 above would be better than what they do now.

However, I doubt they would ever put a policy in place that combined #1 and #2 above because it would likely not help achieve AT&T's goal with the throttling, which is clearly to "encourage" people to drop their unlimited plans for tiered plans so AT&T can make more money.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] privatewarrior1:
does anyone know the phone number to the throttle department?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] waiters:
AT&T’s policies are broken. First they decide to throttle the top 5% without releasing any information on what that is. Soon after we realize those using

Netflix, hulu, and slingbox were being throttled at around 2GB when others were being throttled much later (probably more closer to the real “top 5%” of the area)

Then AT&T stopped penalizing people using their phones to stream movies and tv shows and started throttling everybody at 2GB or less

Now, there are rumors of a “press release” which hasn’t been seen anywhere yet that says they will base throttling off last month’s data usage.

However things are about to change again, as a judge recently awarded a throttling customer $850 stating “it wasn't fair for the company to purposely slow down his iPhone, when it had sold him an "unlimited data" plan.”

This opens up a whole can of worms for AT&T, one they will feel. If even a fraction of those throttled gets a similar payout this would be very bad for AT&T. lets pretend 800,000x$850= $680,000,000

AT&T’s next move could quite possibly hurt the company more than any scandal it could ever imagine.

My guess is they will do less throttling and even that will be at higher levels then we have seen over the last few months, maybe around 5gb? 10gb? In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped throttling all together.

Im sure after dude won his $850, at least 10’s of thousands of people have already filed small claims suits against the company already, when more of those articles come out, you will see that number jump to the hundreds of thousands.

if you haven't read about the small claims suit:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...data-throttling_n_1300212.html?ref=technology

http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/at-t-iphone-user-wins-data-throttling-case-850

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/att-throttling-customer/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mickeym...this-two-big-consumer-small-claims-victories/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] 00mred00:
I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.

Curious to see what happens next month
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] hcyplr29:
Happy someone did it. I was forced to switch to a tiered plan from my unlimited because I was being throttled at around 2gb. That lasted maybe a week and a half then my new lte skyrocket was pretty much useless data wise. I'm on the 3gb plan for the same price. I hope more people sue att.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] privatewarrior1:
How much data did you use last month?

How much this month?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] astang99:
I'm more curious about their throttling department, I WOULD love to talk to them, since my last throttling was around 7 gb and now I'm being threatened around 3 gb, total bull****.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Phoneguy589:
I was warned in December at 4 1/2 gigs and then throttled in January at 2 gigs....BUT I was up in NY with LTE speeds in December but live in a non-LTE area so I think they considered me in the top 5% for where I live NOT where I was using the data. My fastest d/l speed at my house is 4mb. I think 4mb is throttled compared to people that have LTE so I think I shouldn't be throttled at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] scott14719:
Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...

"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.

Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] NativeTxn:
While the tiered pricing may theoretically encourage people to use less spectrum, AT&T would happily let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB and change them an extra $170 that period.

The thing is that that tiered user takes up just as much spectrum to get to that 20 GB as an unlimited user who also uses 20 GB - the $10 charged for each additional GB of usage in a tiered plan does does not magically create additional spectrum. The ONLY difference is that the unlimited would essentially be paying $1.50/GB, while the tiered user would be paying $10/GB, and AT&T does not like that because they aren't making as much money as they could.

So while they can say that tiered plans encourage people to use less data (which to some extent it probably does/would) and that is a good thing because spectrum is limited, at the end of the day, the heart of the matter boils down to money...plain and simple. And AT&T wants to get people off unlimited plans, not because of a spectrum issue, but because they want to make more money.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] 00mred00:
I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7

At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] shansmi:
You need to report this. From what I understand it is not supposed to be throttling at that low of usage AND if you are throttled, it should only be down to 3G speeds from LTE speeds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] astang99:
I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] obliv:
Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] privatewarrior1:
that's correct. throttle speeds are edge speeds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] privatewarrior1:
I wonder if their new policy will begin next month and will be used on this month's use. I'm just debating whether I should raise my usage. I'm still below 2gigs unthrottled with some 10 days left.

btw I remember you were the one who said that this would be their new policy.

do you happen to have the throttle dpt direct #?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] privatewarrior1:
BTW i was thinking. should someone start a thread about the lawsuit on the att forums?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] jslanger:
There is a thread about that elsewhere in the forum, but your contract with AT&T forbids a class action, and limits you to arbitration or small-claims court.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] 00mred00:
Was talking with a lawyer about that today. There are documented cases of judges turning down lawsuits because if the arbitration clause but she thinks there are ways around it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] jvanbrecht:
Oddly enough, I am at 6G right now (billing cycle starts on the 17th), and have not been throttled yet... knock on wood..

As for the lawsuit, it was by an unemployed truck driver in small claims court (where apparently in that local, they are not permitted to use lawyers, or it had to be an employee from ATT in that local.. not sure, it was weird though). However, ATT is appealing, and it now gets bumped from small claims to an real court, with lawyers, and odds are the truck driver will drop the suit unless a lawyer takes the case on pro bono...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] NativeTxn:
The vast majority of small claims courts (and I think in actuality all of them) do not allow a person to be represented by an attorney. That is one reason that they generally limit the amount that you can sue for (usually $5,000 - $10,000) and the small claims court cannot force a person or a company to change policy (they can only award money). That is why there was not an AT&T lawyer representing AT&T. At the appeals court level, attorneys can represent one or both parties, which is why, as jvan mentioned, this will likely go away pretty quickly one way or the other (either the guy drops the suit now because he can't hire an attorney or find one to represent him, or he tries to represent himself and gets obliterated either at the appeals trial or on a technicality because he doesn't file proper paperwork or something like that).

That being said, the fact that AT&T is going through the time and trouble to appeal an $850 decision from small claims court arguably shows that they

do not want ANY level of precedent set in any court

on this throttling issue. I would guess that they feel that if they did not appeal to try and get this overturned that it could potentially lead to an influx of small claims suits that could theoretically result in large amounts of money that they have to pay out.

At the end of the day, even if the appeals court overturns this, it could still be considered a win because this, along with the other articles, is at least gaining some national attention. This (likely unwanted) attention might lead AT&T to at least put a transparent, reasonable policy (you know - basically the exact opposite of their current throttling policy) in place to avoid any additional consumer backlash.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
I have a broken Verizon Nexus that cannot connect to networks so activation is impossible. I can't emergency call using ## numbers, nothing.

I still want to use this phone and I get that it will never make phone calls or get texts if it's not activated.

Thanks, Google. Now let me the #@%^! in!

Any ideas how to get into the OS? 4 corners trick doesn't work. Volume up/down doesn't work. Activation just searches for signal for hours. How is there not a "Activate Later" option?!

EDIT: Damnit, I just realized this is in General. Someone move to Q&A please!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Simer03:
Because on Verizon, if they notice u using a smartphone, they apply a data plan automatically, so there's no way to use their smartphones without activating it

sent from my Nexus Prime
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Stadsport:
You could get someone to post a like-stock nandroid and flash that maybe?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
But it's got no SIM card.... so it can't be used as a phone... so why do they care? *headshake*

Any up-to-date permanent root methods out there whose links aren't to spam websites or dead links to utilities that don't exist anymore?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bwcorvus:
Flash a ROM, problem solved.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] anton2009:
There are a few ways to do this I believe. You can either flash a rom (without the gapps, just the rom!) or you can pull the "activation wizard" (IDK it's actually called) out of the gapps that comes with a rom (if you're flashing a gapps/rom combo), and then you won't come up with the initial google screen thing (telling you to sign in, activate, etc.).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
**Sigh**

That's missing the point.

Aside from me not wanting to root it and definitely not wanting a custom ROM, I shouldn't be forced to hack the product I paid full price for in order to make it work - purely offline.

It worked fine without a SIM before I restored it to stock. It just didn't connect to Verizon's network.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jdbower:
Apparently the activation will time out after a good long time (how long, I don't know) but you'll be able to skip it once it does timeout. May as well give it a try while you're waiting for other responses.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
I suppose I can give it a go. I let it run for 10's of minutes before and it got nowhere but i'll try again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] koszor:
Use someone else's nandroid backup?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
39 mins...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
I think that's recommended lol. Plus, need root...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
67 mins...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Aridon:
You have your answer already. You might not like it but that's the only way your going to get results.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Simer03:
Of course there's no sim card, its a Verizon phone....there's only a LTE sim card....if u don't root, there's no way to bypass it

sent from my Nexus Prime
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
CDMAlol

10char
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _Dennis_:
That LTE SIM also allows your phone to connect to CDMA. Go ahead remove the SIM card and try to connect to any service.

This is the same as Japanese carrier AU uses in their CDMA phones. AU does not have LTE though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rylake:
There must be a ketpress bypass...

The one for the Galaxy Tab is:

Press Volume Up once

Press Volume Down twice

Press Volume Up three times

Press Volume Down four times

Worth a try, I guess.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
Tried earlier didn't work.

3 hours of waiting for activating to time out and I gave up.

Yes I guess I do have my answer... I'll just get my money back.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dakota0206:
Of course you can bypass.

When we got our first shipment of phones in I opened it and bypassed the activation. It was a while back but there are just a fews ways to do this on all phones. It is just figuring out what works for which model.

First remove any SIM card, even if its not activated.

I want to say for the nexus the activation just needs to fail out a few times. When you see the please wait while activating just hit the back button. After failing a few times a skip option should appear.

Other ways you can bypass activations

On most Samsung phones type *#82786633 this will enable the soft keys. Then just press home. Only down side is it has to be done on every restart.

On a lot of LG phones press volume up, volume down, back, search.

Note: pull battery before attempting.

On the Galaxy tab line there is a combination of volume up and downs. Very easy to Google. May not work the first few times but eventually it will.

On a lot of Motorola phones the backward C around andy the android works. But on recent models you just have to let the activation fail out a few times like explained above.

I typed this out before falling asleep and I am going off memory. There maybe errors but a quick Google search will give you all you need. Hopefully this will get you started.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Nexus - Verizon 4G LTE.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chjade84:
Thanks for the tips... but it's too late now.

I remember it failing activation a few times but now it just hangs trying. I don't ever recall an option to skip.

The corner tap method didn't work.

The volume button method didn't either.

And I got the soft keys in the dialer but home did nothing, back went back to activation, multitask said "no recent apps" and there was no menu.

Of course I still don't see why in the very beginning it doesn't have an "Activate Now" button and an "Activate Later" button with a warning prompt that says "You will not be able to make phone calls or get cellular data until activated". What is the harm in letting people use the phones they paid for without getting on the network? Why must there be all these hidden "cheat codes" for getting by the damn activation?

I should talk to Andy Rubin about coming to work for him solely to fix all of Android's piddly problems - starting with this. Right after, find the jerks in charge of the 96px x 96px contact photos stored in Google Contacts and smack them repeatedly until they up the resolution for us like it's post 1996...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TheBiles:
You're confusing the operating system with the carrier. Stop your worthless *****ing, and either root your phone or return it for an even more locked-down device. You're just like some fool complaining about his POS Dell laptop to someone at Microsoft then switching to Mac because no one at Microsoft has any damn say what Dell does with their operating system.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woostar88:
I've used iPhone on my T-Mobile but I cannot live with 2g. So I sold it and bought a GN. Did I make a mistake on paying a week old GN for $520 shipped? Includes everything and no scratches.

Also what can I expect from this device?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
That's a good price. They're $600 new.

You can expect a solid device. Read up in the forums before you go making new threads with questions. Its been out a few months, most questions have been answered at least once.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woostar88:
Awesome. Sorry about not using the search tool. Can't wait to get my new phone soon!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
I just mean for future reference when you come across some things, they've seemingly all been discussed already.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] daveop:
You are going to LOVE IT just like I do. I traded the same phone you did for a Gnex. I strongly suggest trying out CM9 and Franco, because they make the phone so buttery smooth. 520 is a great price, and if you like to tinker with your phones, you chose the right one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woostar88:
Oh man I can't wait. My sensation 4g feels laggy when running ics. So Franco and cm9 is the best rom out for Gnex? What about rev HD?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alphaola:
The screen is really beautiful and 10/10 for texting,emails and browsing. used to hate texting but i just text for the sake of it, just loved it.

Note: What ever you decide to do to this beauty just make sure you read full instructions and some pages, then you wont run into any trouble. The more you read the less chance of runing into any trouble or unstable device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Valynor:
Next time, inform yourself before you buy something? :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woostar88:
I just wanted something flagship. And gnex is the one and looks elegant
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Are you talking about him running the iPhone on T-Mo with 2G only?

Maybe he was aware of it, then decided it wasn't what he wanted... Where did he ever say he bought the iPhone w/o knowledge that he'd get EDGE only?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Valynor:
No, I meant buying the GN first and then asking XDA about "Also what can I expect from this device?". This struck me as a little weird.

When I have to dish out €500+ for a device, I tend to inform myself pretty well beforehand. ;-)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kjwalker:
AFAIK, RevoHD isn't built from AOSP. I also believe it is still only 4.0.2. If I had to recommend a combo, i'd say AOKP/Franco.kernel.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dmmarck:
That's prolly the most popular combo out there right now. Can't go wrong!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LuffyPSP:
you my friend has made a great choice!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericshmerick:
You're gonna love it dude. GSM GNEX = best GSM phone anywhere.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woostar88:
My new phone should be arriving later this week. Can't wait... I'm so glad to get rid of my iPhone. Pointless without wifi anyways. 4g is gonna awesome on T-Mobile. Any recommended case for gnex?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] squarejp:
I'm currently obsessed about Galaxy Nexus Cases. I currently located in Hong Kong so there are plenty of selections than US. I kind of regret buying a Galaxy Nexus instead of keeping my iPhone 4S (Sold all of them to mainland China). There are just way too many iPhone 4S cases than Galaxy Nexus. However, there are still some reputable brands and beautiful design for HSPA+ version such as SPG Case. It's the best I've seen so far. DO NOT BUY ALUMINUM cases as that is very hard to take off and blocks the NFC at the back of your phone.

http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/google.html

I currently have the follow cases:

- SGP Neo Hybrid Red and Silver

Cheaper but still elegant, does not cover buttons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5JgWcia8GQ

- Mercury Red and Yellow

Cheap ones:

- Dark transparent gel

- White transparent gel

I love changing cases every now and then!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] daewond3r:
The SGP Neo Hybrid is cool for a fully protective case. I myself have the Qubits snap-on case, similar to the Incipio Feather and Case-Mate Barely There. I love it, but it doesn't protect as much as most other cases.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zeke1988:
the only reason i am using the nexus is for the 4g service. once apple release a 4g phone, im jumping ship. for 3 years now, i found not much of advantage over iphone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hinds90:
I just started using Franco's kernel today and it seems the kernel that came with akop was overall better.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] smacman:
No need to be a ****.. The guy asked a question in anticipation of his new toy arriving. Others that have made the same trade shared their experience. Get off your high horse.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Valynor:
Not trying to be a "****". Just genuinely confused about people like the OP who buy a device for >$500 and then go to a forum to ask if they made a mistake and what they should be expecting.

Also, I don't appreciate your tone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] G1-8701:
i'd recommend Codename's 1.4.0 rom it's been running great for me, no complaints here