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[HTC Rezound] Tachi91:
The One X for AT&T is Qualcomm Dual Core 720p 1GB... Sure it's GSM but it has a similar SoC to the Rezound.

Both are ARMv7, support GSM/CDMA/LTE

Only difference is the minor underlying features and the MSM8660 (one X - S4) is Dual Channel while the Rezound MSM8660 (s3) is single channel. But I hardly know anything.

As for updates... At lease think of not being on AT&T as a positive.
[HTC Rezound] brando56894:
I must say I am slightly annoyed that we haven't gotten ICS officially yet, but I the senseless ICS roms will hold me over until we get the sourcecode for it.

QFT
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Word to ya mutha.

Bolded part is 100% accurate. Personally, I would rather wait a little longer for a polished update with next to zero bugs. I say next to, but there is no such thing as bug free software - but it can be damn near close to it. :cool:
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
The move from 45 nm to 28 nm should greatly improve power consumption. And the MSM8960 pretty much destroys everything in sight in benchmarks.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
Well put, I agree 100%.
[HTC Rezound] SamXp:
Yep, serious. Prompt OTA updates are significant part of the user experience. hTC promises and then doesn't deliver. No need to make excuses about how difficult it is.

That's nice.

Sure did! Agree the Rezound is fantastic, and if they deliver in Q1, it will not fall short one bit. But they've already admitted it will be "Later this year". But I obviously did buy the wrong phone.

Yep. Sure is!

Sure, and if you take them, coupled with the users that know better and are making apologies and excuses for hTC, what incentive does hTC have to deliver on their promises?
[HTC Rezound] mentallo:
How about this: we start a email campaign. We all write to the Htc ceo and express our disappointment about the ics issue. If we all threaten to never buy a htc phone again I wouldn't be surprised if we get a positive response.

Sent from HTC Rezound with Tapatalk
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Lol. Do you work in software development?

I do on a couple of fronts. I can tell you that it is not uncommon for development to fall short on promised dates.

What is it that you want from ICS that you aren't getting from GB that it is making you that frustrated about it? My Rezound worked pretty much flawlessly out of the box. It was fast, everything worked, sure there are probably some small bugs here and there with it but you'll never have 100% bug free software. Is it simply just updating to update? For OTA updates, I'd rather them take their time rather than hurry to be honest. Rushed software development is just asking for trouble.
[HTC Rezound] OLDsJUNKIE:
Damn right.

100% This. After running several ICS ROMs, there's really nothing to get worked up about. A few features that are nice. A few changes that I could do without. Comparable battery life. I've got no problem letting them get it right before setting it loose on thousands of devices. Those of us who do customize our phones can deal with and fix issues with them. The average user gets a jacked up OTA and all hell breaks loose for HTC!
[HTC Rezound] tmach:
I always get a kick out of these threads... If HTC (or whoever) promises a date and they miss it people get pissed. If they don't give any dates people get pissed. If they release an update and there are problems (and there always are) people get pissed because it was rushed. It's a no-win scenario. We aren't even at the time they said there'd be an ICS update and already people are pissed.

Personally I'd rather see what the AOSP people come up with. An ICS MIUI would be nice although it will probably cripple the Rezound's camera just like it did the Incredible's.

And to be fair, ICS may be the latest, but latest isn't always better. My Asus Transformer (non-rooted) got its ICS update this weekend and so far it doesn't run as smoothly as it used to, Google+ (now built-in and not removable although you can disable it) crashes constantly and so do some android processes. Not an upgrade so far but we'll see what happens.
[HTC Rezound] zetsumeikuro:
Not even concerned about the differences between the 8660 and 8960. Doubt we'll even see the differences in every day usage. Adreno 220 vs 225 5-10 more fps at most from what I have seen.

We would only hope it would improve power consumptions. As nice as benches are I really doubt we'll see much of a difference eventough it scores double in trollpack (linpack). I mean heck the RAZR scored like 100k+ points in browser mark for me stock, and got 1,400 in sunspider , did fine in nenamark 2 etc. I think review sites have push the false image of "if it benches better zomg it's going to be so much better/faster".
[HTC Rezound] z0mghii:
You bought the rezound and you also agree the rezound is fantastic? Well it sounds like you obviously bought the right phone....
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
ROTFL, that's the funniest thing of all LOL
[HTC Rezound] SamXp:
I'm so tired of the apologetics sitting here, providing excuses for why development isn't strong for this phone, providing excuses for why hTC's job is very, very hard and software releases are very, very complicated and that we should all be patient. I work in engineering and am fully aware of how difficult it is to put a line in the sand and cut development off and say it is time for production. Testing could continue indefinitely. You'll never stop finding issues. Some issues you simply can't find in a test environment. I'm dealing with that at work right this very moment. Issues uncovered in production that would have been impossible to uncover in a test environment.

I'm not surprised you aren't seeing an improvement on your Tablet. Honeycomb rendered UI with hardware acceleration so the jump to ICS won't be as significant as it is coming from GB.

Hardware accelerated UI rendering isn't the only thing we have to look forward to, either. You've heard about the improvements in the browser. Right now, in GB, when a web page is loaded, it is turned into a display list that's continually rendered. It's nice, in a way, because you can scroll and zoom and all aspects of the page load without artifacts, but it is very tough on hardware. ICS loads a web page in "tiles", which definitely smooths things up, at the expense of opening up the possibility of having artifacts if a tile can't be rendered fast enough.

ICS also does some tricks with the way it manages overlays and backgrounds that reduce demand on the GPU. Opening the app drawer right now always causes lag on my Rezound. At least the first time, once it has rendered the app background, the layer with the shortcuts and widgets, the black background for apps and widgets and icons and labels of all apps.

Laypersons mostly look forward to some silly features in ICS that are easy to put on a brochure. I would have thought the demographic here at XDA more capable of appreciating just what a significant update this is for the Rezound.

The ICS ROMs available to us might bring us some of these neat features, but its doubtful they're able to utilize these significant improvements in the framework. Stop making excuses. Demand more.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
I definitely look forward to the ICS upgrade, I just don't share you're unreasonable expectations. Heck, Q1 end is still a month away right? What are you so worked up about AT THIS TIME? I might be a little anxious if we hit June and there is no update, but we'll probably all be updated by then.

I just think you need to relax a bit about this issue that isn't even an issue right now.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I was thinking the exact same thing.
[HTC Rezound] SamXp:
Squeaky wheel gets the oil, my friend. hTC has already announced the Rezound will be later this year so do you honestly believe Q1 is even an option? Give an engineer til "later this year" and even June is optimistic.

I'm suppose one shouldn't be surprised why the Rezound isn't enjoying the support seen on so many other platforms. This nonchalant attitude will keep us from enjoying the full possibilities this platform provides.
[HTC Rezound] Marcismo55:
Is it just me or does anyone notice this may be more than just a manufacturer issue with updates but more of a carrier problem?

HTC Rezound, HTC Thunderbolt, HTC Incredible 2, HTC Incredible were all Verizion Wireless phones who did not get timely updates (the OG Incredible wasn't as bad).

Just a thought.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Now that is a reasonable complaint. Verizon definitely ****-blocks updates. They certainly did with the incredibles Gb update a couple of times.
[HTC Rezound] krelvinaz:
The HTC Rezound was released Nov 14th, 2011. Only 59 days ago.

Challenge: Find an

official

HTC announcement that says they will release ICS for the Rezound Q1 2012.

I went looking for it and could not find it. I found a ton of forums that said it, but I couldn't find a single HTC announcement that said that. It is also not on their press page.

As for: Rezound isn't enjoying the support seen on so many other platforms I'm curious. Which platforms might those be? What are you comparing against to a phone that has only been out for 59 days?

Looking the dev section for the Rezound seems to have a lot of activity. I count no less than 17 ROM's and a number of kernels.

Compared with the Droid Incredible that I purchased pre-release when it came out and didn't have root for almost 6 months, this has been a very liberated device already. The Rezound even has an official HTC unlock of the bootloader something that was unheard of back when the Dinc was released.
[HTC Rezound] feralicious:
Verizon is definitely not showing the Rezound any love even though it's the best phone they carry, imo.

Walked by a VZW store so I popped in to see if they had it displayed properly now and you wouldn't even know it existed. But a HUGE 3D Razr "monument" was on the wall. Blech.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
I wonder if Verizon gets paid by Motorola for advertising space?
[HTC Rezound] krelvinaz:
Motorola pays a lot for advertising. HTC doesn't.

I've seen the same thing for some time. In some stores you would be hard pressed to find the current hot HTC phone.

Most of the stupid commercials for ALL android phones are hard to comprehend. Seeing someone fighting off techno monsters.. does little to inform non-technical people of what the phones actually can do.

They sell them more like fashion accessories than working very capable products.
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
I'm not feeling shafted..

I love my Rezound. My rezound runs my own bastardized hybrid of the two ICS leaks, and I've worked pretty hard and gotten a lot of the bugs out and I haven't had to mess with it for almost a month now. Runs great, looks like AOSP, there's hardly any Sense left at all, my battery charges, gps, wifi, bluetooth, mobile data, and telephony all work as they should..

I am having a hard time trying to figure out why I should feel shafted by HTC or Verizon right now. All is good here.
[HTC Rezound] 4ktvs:
I feal a bit shafted for them selling a 4G phone saying they have the fastest, most reliable 4G network.

Here is my thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1520970

Ontopic: HTC has not done nearly the kind of Shafting of the makers of the Droid razr like me. So x2 times the Shafting for me.
[HTC Rezound] surfer2.3:
I've used nothing but HTC converged devices for over 10 years. I like the company, I like the products and I have confidence when I purchase their products. I don't have single regret with my choices in the past, and look forward to the same experience going forward, based on past performance. ymmv.

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Oh yeah...one more thing.

*this is an official TROLL alert. Repeat. TROLL alert. this is not a test*

Now go back to sleep.

Over and out.

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"Sorry for demanding more from a brand".

You are not sorry in the least.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I agree totally except I have bought a few other brand phones in between my many HTC purchases.

I always end up going back to HTC however & I'm sure I will keep buying their products in the future.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
i feel a bit shafted as the rezound is one of the best phones out there. the development is decent but hopefully will get better. one thing i did hear from verizon today is that this phone did not sell well. my local kiosk at the mall even pulled it off the display now. might explain why i cannot find any cases for it locally other than an otterbox. such a shame really.
[HTC Rezound] Tachi91:
Off topic, but the whole "Shafted" rings a different kind of bell in my head.. lol dirty mind
[HTC Rezound] SamXp:
Two of my local Verizon stores don't have it on display, either. I asked about it, and they had them in the back! It simply isn't promoted nearly as much as Motorola and Samsung phones.
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
I've been to two stores in town too.. both of them had a display model but said they don't actually carry the phone anymore...
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I love mine too.

This whole thread cracks me up, what is there to feel "shafted" about??

My phone worked absolutely perfect right out of the box, (by FAR the best phone I have ever bought). If the phone didn't have bloatware I not sure I would even have bothered to unlock it (although I absolutely LOVE the innefilibis ROM I'm running)

The ICS update is not even due out yet, & I'm not sure what people expect it to do that the phone doesn't already do anyway.....
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
it's ridiculous IMO. i hope they don't end up dropping support. it gets tiresome that some phones get all the love while others do not. im not dissing the nexus but i think the rezounds specs are far better. as a matter a fact verizon told me today that the nexus did not sell good either. maybe it's the price points of these devices? i know the razr maxx has been doing very good good but that because of the long battery life out of the box so it makes sense.

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the bottom line is we should get ice cream well before that htc one ships.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
Our VZ corporate rep told me the same thing. She said the Nexus is really the exact opposite of what the typical customer wants, the vanilla android setup is very boring to the average cell phone customer.
[HTC Rezound] a.mcdear:
I was also told at the Verizon stores I went to that the Nexus has seen disappointing sales numbers. They said that by far the most popular phone is the Moto RAZR - something I don't really understand. I'm not a fan of the look or feel of the RAZR. I'd take a Nexus over that anyday...

The Rezound is an amazing phone. I absolutely love mine.

...but its also probably the largest failure I've seen come from HTC in a long time. This phone absolutely fell flat on its face, and it's not at all the fault of the phone itself. HTC simply bombed big time when it came to marketing. Not only in quantity of marketing, but also they completely managed to over-look every key feature of the phone [720p RGB screen, 1.5Ghz dual-core CPU, amazing 8MP camera, world-wide 3G capability] and only mention Beats Audio, which is amazingly limited in capability and its usefulness is highly debatable.

edit**

Still though.. even with the terrible sales numbers of Rezounds, what's there to feel shafted about? You should be happy you were able to get a Rezound! It seems that in the very near future they might not be available - which is sad only for those who didn't get one.
[HTC Rezound] A2Aegis:
Maybe it has something to do with the fact of how hard Verizon pushed the Razr advertising wise.
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
agreed that's all ive ever seen is commercials for the razr.
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I see a bunch of Razrs. The people who don't care about the device on the level that we do are the people that buy them.

Unfortunately, the people who buy Rezounds and Nexuses are the minority even though they are both better products than the Droid Razr. Although the Razr Maxx is something I would have looked into had it been out when I got the Rezound about a week after launch.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Maybe you could trade your rezound for a nexus to make sure you always get

Timely updates.

Did I miss something, and Samsung and Motorola had already released their Ics updates? Not one phone and maybe one tablet have gotten an ics update. I can't blame HTC yet.

I really wished they started charging for the updates. Maybe that would shut people up. I bought windows 7, I don't get windows 8 for free. What is the motivation for any OEM to update their devices?

Did the nexus s get ics before the galaxy nexus was released? No, and I doubt we will either
[HTC Rezound] nosympathy:
Yeah but windows isn't open source free software. Android is.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
Yeah, I guess you are right
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
the bottom line is the rezound should get ice cream well before the razr does.
[HTC Rezound] dogredwing1:
I sure hope so.:)
[HTC Rezound] dabombcra:
Paying for an upgrade? ICS should be given to the Resound. The Rezound is not even 6 months old. Besides, when I got my Rezound, HTC said that the Rezound would get ICS the first part of 2012. Now we are told it will be by the end of the year. I want to know why? Their new phones will get ICS, why can't the Rezound get it now too?

Sent from my Rezound using Taptalk
[HTC Rezound] PhillyCheez:
I was pretty much decided on getting the rezound until I read the last couple pages of this thread.

Rezound is the best phone out on Verizon yet people are saying some Verizon stores don't even bother stocking it?? That's just worries me.... No selling means a grim future for a solid fan base for development.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
That doesn't seem like a great reason not to buy the best phone available at this time.

One of our local VZ stores stopped carrying the nexus also as there was no interest in it. There are TONs of ROMs for the nexus (of course they all look identical) but the phone is still a complete POS that you would probably regret buying.....
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
pretty sure it will. Moto is saying end of the year on their ics updates.
[HTC Rezound] Insidious:
True that brother!
[HTC Rezound] mighty_markus12:
The rezound and razr maxxx are the best phones on verizon currently IMO.
[HTC Rezound] mike.s:
Choice-supportive bias
[HTC Rezound] Afro Samurai:
Well, here's my two cents. I'm new to this side of town but not XDA. Coming from the EVO 3D, it's the same story over there too. The ICS update went from early 2012 to later this year and the natives are restless over there too. I will say at least you guys have some leaks to mess with. On the 3D side, Joelz, Kushdeck and Toast are trying hard to give them ICS but it's far from being a daily to me. Some people are considering it daily driver material even though alot isn't working. I'm still a Rezound noob and I've yet to root it but I look forward to the madness on this side if town. You may feel shafted but things aren't as bad for you guys as it is for some other HTC phones.

Take care
[HTC Rezound] SamXp:
Exactly!

Choice Supportive Bias is the reason the US automotive market declined so rapidly. Customers aggressively defended their purchase, regardless of quality or performance, removing incentive for the manufacturers to aggressively improve the product.

Choice Supportive Bias seems to be the antithesis of the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the oil". We make excuses for hTC and we'll never get the oil.

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They have little incentive, unless customers specifically avoid a brand due to slow updates.

Charging for updates only provides them incentive to release meaningless, frequent updates just for revenue.

Look at the best brands in the world. What do they have in common? Discriminating customers that demand more from a brand.

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You didn't read this post, did you?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=23065032&postcount=41
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
who is saying that htc is slow at updates? Samsung and Moto have not released them either. Your problem is that android is open source and updates come from multiple places. First google, then the OEM, then the carrier.

If you don't like it, I don't see it changing unless you:

1. Get a nexus device

2. Get an iphone

3. Get a windows phone device where MS has promised that all updates will be timely (all within a couple of months of release)
[HTC Rezound] SamXp:
It is for the customer to decide what they find an acceptable update timeframe. The fact that Samsung or Motorola are also slow doesn't make it any more acceptable. Demand more.

You bring up a good point, though, and Google is to blame here, as well. The Google Android Update Alliance that launched last spring was supposed to have Google working with the members of the alliance (LG, Motorola, hTC, Samsung, et al) in advance of any update release. Whether or not they collaborated is a mystery, but if Google did provide adequate resources to its many partner carriers/manufacturers, we would see far more timely OTA updates.

1) In hindsight, many would have been better off waiting for the Nexus device.

2) Not sure I follow your logic. Unhappy with constraints by the carrier/manufacturer and I would be better off with one of the most constrained smartphone platforms in the industry?

3) Microsoft promises, LOL
[HTC Rezound] kraamerica:
I picked up the Nexus yesterday, but when I went to the area of the 4G, the sales rep was asking me WHY I wanted the Nexus. This actually caught me off guard as I have owned 6 phones over the past year and a half (not kept them all, but tried them) and I have never had a rep ask me that.

He asked me if I knew about the Rezound and told me he thought it was a much better phone all around (phone/data especially) and was trying to push me the Rezound and talk me out of the Nexus. He actually has a Nexus for his work and a Razr that he won.

After having the Nexus for 24+ hours, I am normally geeked about the newness of a phone, but I am really bummed about it. I have tried unofficial release of their .04 os and even switched radio's, but this thing seems so not exciting. I really like the form factor, but quite honestly, that's it. It obviously has ICS and even that for me is nothing glorious in itself. ICS has it's pro's and con's and I'm usually on the bandwagon of custom ROM's as soon as I get it out of the box. Again, the Google name on the phone I think got me more excited than the actual phone itself and "for shame" on me. :)

I looked in to the Rezound more when I got back and to be honest, the red (especially buttons) just turned me off. I read where some of them are showing "pink". Yikes.

So back on topic, ICS and the update sound great, but it's not always the cream of the crop and it doesn't always make your phone better. IMHO, the devs and their custom ROM's make my phone better. I have yet to see an update come out, that didn't cry for another update. That's where I'll take my devs here anyday. As someone else pointed out, every phone has a thread like this because something better is ALWAYS coming out. Just my .02. Let the beatings begin. :)
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
I guess my point is that if all the oem's are doing it, who are you going to take your money to? There is no one else. You brought up the auto industry, the big 3 lost sales to imports, which in turn, eventually got them to build better products.

IOS gets android oem's to build better products, and apple can ram updates down the carrier's throats. Android apparently cannot. Too many devices, too many oem's if they push against the carriers, they'll just drop the phone and go on to the next one.

As far as MS promises, with windows phone, they have been spot on for the most part and even launch phones have the newest update. And, my hd7 was fun to use. Quick and responsive and I didn't have to "customize" it to get it that way. The Rezound is close, first Android phone that has worked pretty well out of the box.