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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bakihanna:
As much as i love my TFP today i sent for a refund RMA. I just couldn't wait any longer to see if they gonna have a fix for us. Plus i grew tired of my TFP restarting 5x a day and that awful screen flickering every time i watched something,hell it was starting to flicker on the main screen for no reason.I might get Tf700 is issues are gone. Man am gonna miss this toy :-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
i think the sobering part about the padfone is that availability will be completely at the mercy of the carriers.

good luck with that one. remember last summer when asus told everyone that the successor to the OG transformer would use the same OG dock?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Android Central is at MWC and I assume theyre reporting this from there. Acer A700 with 1920 x 1200 resolution.

http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-acer-iconia-tab-a700
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SMT_Nocturne:
i think i'll wait for year to change my tablet
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
As well as the fact that some things I keep on my tablet and not my phone and vice versa. It's a cool concept I suppose, like the Atrix; I doubt it will be implemented as well as it could.

True, but now they've set themselves up real nicely to be able to do that with the Prime's dock. And are considering all the other models are the same size and just using different colors; same docking mechanism. The OG docking method just wasn't as universal and very clunky. I'm glad they didn't follow through with that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The TF700 was announced three weeks after the Prime went on sale which means they were under development at the same time. If you bought an F150 in December and were having issues with it and they announced a "new" F150 that's fundamentally the same but addresses those issues three weeks later I'm guessing you'd be pissed.

Most of these comparison/discussions wouldn't exist if the Prime wasn't having issues that Asus seems to be addressing in subsequent products. I think everyone gets that product obsolescence is normal and to be expected but there's a bunch more going on here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I'm guessing I'll likely swap out on an annual basis as well. It'll only cost a couple of hundred bucks to do so, since I can sell the previous generation. Ultimately, I'd rather spend six months USING a device that might be a little behind the curve than six months WAITING for something that's just little ahead of the curve.

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They only announced the TF700 because CES was coincidentally just a few weeks after the Prime was actually released. And as we know about CES announcements, they take many months to actually hit the market and are quite often based on very early prototypes. In actual fact, products take quite some time to move from the initial design stage to actual production, and so pretty much EVERY new generation of product is being designed right around the time the previous generation is originally released. They're just not usually announced that early.

Apple is the only company that announces and then releases pretty much immediately, and that's because they simply wait until they have sufficient stock ready to sell to make the announcement. And they can do that because they have an intensely loyal base of a few million users who will buy whatever they make the second it becomes available. Pretty much nobody else has that luxury. I guarantee you that the iPad 3 has been under development from even before the iPad 2 was hitting the streets--Apple just has incredibly tight security and only releases tidbits to keep the hype going.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That's one of the things I've never understood here. People with other tablets got rid of them to get the Prime even after the issues popped up. Why? What was gained over waiting a couple of months? My biggest interest in following the Prime was both the introduction of Teg3 and ICS. In browsing and most common tasks there doesn't seem to be a huge performance gain. There aren't optimized apps out yet and some apps you have to give up because they don't work on ICS. So does waiting a couple of months to see what other options there might be really matter?

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It wasn't just "announced" it was complete enough for Asus to allow reporters to take it off the trade show floor and back to their rooms to play with it and write stories about it. In contrast, the Acer A700 wasn't allowed off its leash unsupervised.

Which do you think is further along and likely to come to market first?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Well, first, this forum is largely made up of the kind of geeks who like to be the first to use new technology. Not because we NEED it, necessarily, but just because we like playing with new things, and nothing's more fun to play with than something that's brand spanking new.

Now, I'll say that my Prime is more pleasant to use than my TF101, because it's just overall a smoother experience--I've definitely found browsing and general use to be faster than on the TF101. Also, I do a great deal of reading, and I like to read on my back porch. Because I live in SoCal, that means I've had to use my Nook E-ink for those times, because the TF101 is pretty much unusable in direct sunlight. The Prime, however, is eminently usable, meaning I can not only read but also annotate books on my porch, which is important to me.

But, generally speaking, I know I've bought gadgets just to be one of the first to use them, because I'm terribly impatient and I like to play with new toys. I think that characterization probably applies to many people on this forum. We're not necessarily the most practical bunch, I don't think.

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It's very easy to make a prototype, even one that can be handled. That doesn't mean it's nearly ready for production.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
Yes, I've had many meetings at CES, E3, etc.. with hardware companies where they had given me a hands on on a product and it was still far off from production.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MarcMaiden:
I wouldnt get your hopes up on better GPS....

you will NEVER get a solid lock on a tablet with out wifi/cell service. These GPS chips only work with some sort of data connection.

that being said, Wifi should improve greatly. I'm happy enough with my current prime and I do not think that this is enough of a difference to want to switch.

there is something "elite" about being an original prime owner ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Exactly! And I think that desire to be among that technical elite is what drives a lot of the people who visit this site... We are NOT normal people. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Speaking of timelines... Am I the only one that thinks it's strange that a mass-market device that Asus has said they want to sell a million of is still unavailable in typical B&M stores two months after it went on sale?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
Wrong. My Streak 7 gets tons of locks with no Wifi/Cell connection. It is an awesome navigation device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It's long so you don't need to watch the whole thing but you get the point...

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I have a suspicion that Nvidia's yields on the Tegra 3 are still very low. That, or ASUS just doesn't want to build up inventory (after all, the general industry meme remains that nobody can successfully sell a "high-end" tablet other than Apple). Or a combination.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Good point about Teg3 fabrication. But if Asus intends to strategically keep the Prime out of B&M stores they are screwed because that's where 700K would be purchased.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MarcMaiden:
Thanks for that, I stand corrected
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Non-wireless dependent GPS is becoming a pretty big game...

Press Release: February 26, 2012

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Mary Kelly, Media Relations

Phone: 609-252-8160

kelly@alk.com

Fax: 609-252-8166

ALK Technologies Announces FREE CoPilot GPS App

New Offline Route Planning and Local Exploring App Announced for iOS & Android Devices

Mobile World Congress - Barcelona, February 26, 2012 - ALK Technologies Inc., one of the world's leading developers of mobile navigation software, today announced CoPilot GPS, a FREE route planning and on-board mapping app for iPhone, iPad and Android devices.

CoPilot GPS makes it easy to find places you need and provides the best route to the door. Search millions of pre-installed Points of Interest for nearby restaurants, hotels and gas stations. Find local businesses and attractions using Bing Search and Wikipedia. With CoPilot GPS, there's no need to rely on a mobile

connection - detailed street maps of an entire country or region are stored on your smartphone or tablet, so the app still works even in offline mode.

Once you've selected your destination, CoPilot GPS calculates a choice of routes with turn directions, distance and travel time for each. Advanced multi-stop trip planning and optimization features, usually reserved for premium paid navigation apps, allow you to enter up to 50 stops and calculate the most efficient way to go.

Key Features:

-Maps stored on-board your smartphone or tablet for offline use

-Millions of pre-installed Points of Interest (POIs) with in-app dialing

-Powerful route planning with multi-stop trip optimizer

-Alternate Routes: CoPilot provides up to 3 ways to your destination. Drag and drop the route to adjust.

-Driving directions: manually cycle through the turns to your destination

-Walking mode: explore unfamiliar cities on foot with confidence

-Social sharing: let your friends know where you are with Twitter & Facebook status updates*

-Dynamic local content: find useful and interesting places with Wikipedia and Bing Search*

CoPilot GPS users can also upgrade to full voice-guided, turn-by-turn navigation via in-app purchase, and benefit from 3D map views, speed limit warnings, and realistic ClearTurn™ display with lane assist arrows and signposts at complex interchanges.

"Consumers are often left disappointed with free GPS apps because they usually rely on constant mobile data connectivity," said David Quin, Head of Consumer Applications, ALK Technologies. "CoPilot GPS offers smartphone and tablet owners a free navigation app that won't burn through their data plan, and will never leave them stranded without maps if they lose cell coverage."

ALK Technologies is showcasing their latest innovations in mobile navigation, including the new CoPilot GPS app, on its stand at App Planet during Mobile World Congress Barcelona - Hall 7, Stand C80.

*Route planning, maps and Points of Interest are available for offline use. Social networking status updates, Bing Search and Wikipedia require a mobile data connection
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] benefit14snake:
Edit: nevermind lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandanak:
+1, very much agreed.

Unfortunately most consumers are unaware that next generation prototypes are made often times before a current generation goes public. I remember fiddling with the “xoom 2 prototype” a week before the first xoom was released. Most companies don’t make the mistake of letting the public know in fear of backlash, a consequence Asus is learning. It’s the nature of the beast, in order for companies to stay competitive they have to stay ahead of the curve.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
BS.

Plenty of devices have usable GPS functions without data.

My Prime has completely unusable GPS even with a data connection. Can't even do location with it.

My phone on the other hand does beautifully with my data and wifi turned off. Sure, some nav features aren't usable, but damn it if it can't tell where I am.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I see this discussion died off since I left earlier. Lets stop the old rehash of GPS crap n old GPS videos. Its a feature but by far won't be a deciding factor for most. Plus for statistic queens, projections are always subject to change at a moments notice and sway the other way. That's why there's always people watching the market on a daily basis to see how things pan out. What we do know is Tegra3 is going to be in alot of devices that's going to be released. What we do know is these newly announced tablets won't be out for several months down the road. What we do know is Tegra3 is king of tablet chips right now.

Plus I've never seen an super amoled fanboi before till now after some of the posts I've read...lmao those displays are so saturated and have very unnatural colors. They can keep that cartoon looking display ;) ill opt for natural looking colors. Not some over the top Candyland looking display make everything look like a cartoon. There's a reason Prime holds title of best display of any tablet out now. Its the brightest, has highest contrast ratio, and most dpi of any tablet out now. If super amoled display was so great it would've held that title right now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Agreed except for this: the Prime's DPI is the same as any other 1280X800 10.1" tablet. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] richB7:
Amoled looks like a cartoon display? So why are people looking for them? Why are we starting to see tv's coming out with the technology. Guess it's just a bunch of fanboys. Nothing wrong with IPS but for me AMOLED absolutely blows away IPS or IPS+ and I believe the market bears that statement. Now if you want to talk about fanboys...... Take a look at yourself. Shameless.

AMOLED has not been able to be produced in quantity until as of late, but I would have thought you to know that information. Maybe not.

One more thing.... Prime 149dpi. Tab 7.7 197 dpi.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
the tf201 display has very good brightness but the colors are washed out on a lot of panels including mine. plenty of people complaining about this here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1483573

to say it has "natural looking colors" is pretty bogus considering how color temperature across different units has been all over the map. again, all in the thread.

i own a GS2 (samoled+) and a tf201 and side by side there is no contest. the GS2 screen isn't oversaturated at all and the contrast ratio with true blacks is pretty amazing. would take a samoled+ display over this thing any day.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Amoled or LCD is really a matter of taste... I wouldnt say one is clearly better, but to some people one is more appealing than the other...

I'm an LCD guy myself. My brother has the sgs2 and when i see something green on that Amoled screen i could throw up :) But he keeps telling me its the best screen he ever saw.

Again, great to have options. For me the Prime's display with its ips+ mode is the best screen i ever saw.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
If Asus just announced a new tablet, I would imagine slap another 3-5 months on that even before we see a pre-order. Basically it seems the Prime was just a trial run for Asus to see how well they would do. The problem is they have done every mistake in the book and lost a lot of customer's.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I think its strange too.. over 2 months since its release and I have only seen a few people getting a hold of the prime in an actual store and inventory of it are slim. I know of none in my area and neither best buy and gamestop said theyll never carry it on theirs shelfs. I dont think that they are in high demand but just appearing that way because of limited releases. Or maybe Asus isnt ready to release the prime in B&M in masses because they still have bugs and or hardware changes to resolve. Just my thoughts..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Galaxy tab 7.7 isn't even out yet.....lol. nice try though ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
What is that little black strip across the back of the TF700 ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
One of the fix the Prime desperately needing :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It's not "old" when you're comparing Asus tablets. Especially if it works on the others and not the Prime.

Hmm. Asus would seem to disagree with you. The Atrix PenTile display on your phone would indicate you’re fairly forgiving when it comes to displays in general.

ASUS Padfone formally unveiled: 4.3-inch Super AMOLED display, Snapdragon S4 CPU, ICS, HSPA+, coming in April

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-padfone-formally-launched-4-3-inch-super-amoled-display-s/

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https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p6810-galaxy-tab-7-7-16gb-wifi-only-black.html
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
New charging technique similar to those little pads you can lay out?

*EDIT:

And looking at the Padfone, the tablet portion looks like the OG Transformers. Wonder if they'll get their own keyboard add on lol

3 BATTERIES!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Tablet display shootout quote from Displaymate.com. this was before prime arrived and Samsung display lost to Ipad 2 for listed reasons.

" While the iPad 2 display easily outperformed all of the previous Android Tablets, with the new Galaxy Tab 10.1, Samsung has delivered the first Android Tablet with an impressive, potentially outstanding display, but then ruined it by turning up the color level to obnoxious levels – apparently in an effort to overcompensate and blatantly standout from the other mobile LCD displays that have subdued color. But in the case of color, too little is a lot better than too much…"

Like i said, overly saturated colors. Overkill on display.

Just another F.Y.I. as Samsung is in third on this and Prime only tablet to receive EXCELLENT RATING...Article date Feb. 17th. 2012

PRIME ACTUAL HAS 160 DPI ;) making it the most in a tablet so far. Hardware stats taken with elixir2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
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I thought maybe there was a shortage of aluminum at the plant or something , so they skimped and used plastic !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
"Remember how we said 7.0 Plus owners shouldn't feel too resentful of the 7.7's build quality? Yeah, well, that statement didn't include the 7.7's 1280 x 800, 197 pixel-per-inch screen. As it happens, this is the first Galaxy Tab to rock a non-pentile, Super AMOLED Plus display, and man, is it a winner. We could tell you it's vibrant, stunning and breathtaking, but even that wouldn't quite do it justice.

The contrast here is so deep, and the viewing angles so wide, that other tablets' screens look washed-out in comparison

. By itself, for instance, the 7.0 Plus' display is plenty bright and pleasant to look at, but place it next to the 7.7 and the transition is about as jarring as moving from the Transformer Prime to the Ainovo Novo7 (check out our comparison gallery toward the end if you think we're exaggerating). The Super AMOLED Plus panel represents a clear step up from most other tablet displays, which sadly haven't received the same level of tender lovin' care as their smartphone cousins.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/07/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-review-international-edition/

"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Shouldn't all 1280X800 10.1" tablets have the same DPI? I mean, that's just a mathematical formula, right? Comes out to 149 DPI.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
You have a point there

Unlike the decidedly Boooring TF700T, the Transformer Pad Infinity series has the back panel we yearn for. yes, the plastic strip is not as nice looking as the "Full Metal Jacket" but they did exactly what I predicted; Took the brushed "Spun Metallic" back and put the strip on THAT.

So there you have it. The cover they can offer as a "peace offering" to everyone who wants it - assuming if fixes the signal enough. which I have a strong suspicion that it does (and the Pogo pin are fully connected. and the primary antenna is not gapped etc. LOL!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Actually in the pre-production units I saw, it had a keyboard very close to the OG Transformer, but the whole packages was pre-production. The most logical thing would be to use the existing Prime Dock, as the TF700T has done. Personally with this new announcement I am betting the TF700T never comes to fruition. The have the same thing with the Tegra 3 Version Of Transformer Pad Infinity, only with Brushed metal back instead of satin finish. Damn. I freaking KNEW they would do that ****.. I just KNEW it, LOL!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Good one ;) 7.7 does have a good display but I'm comparing to tablets already on the market fight now for sale. Rwmeber I had stated before I had planned on getting a 7.7 but wasn't out yet. As i did like its specs. And still plan on getting a Galaxy Note. But I was making current comparisons. Not some tablet to come out 2-3 months after Prime That's not officially available for purchase yet.

So while we b.s.n ipad3 supposedly has a display to kill any display android has now or in the future. Lets get priorities straight on who the real enemy tablet is, Apple Ipad. Getting tired of spec wars between Android tablets. We need to beat out apple Ipad somehow. That's the real goal, for Android to become largest tablet market shareholder. Not to constantly fight family related Android tablets. All these new Android tablets are going to be a great addition to Android lineup. No doubt about that. I'm more concerned how Prime or other new tablets will stack up to ipad3 and new win8 tablets.

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Only thing is that back can't fit exactly on the prime. The buttons and things have been rearranged on the tf-700. So prime would need that backpanel modified for our device. It is possible though if they really wanted it. I will address it to unamed sources n see what they say ;) plus prime would have to be sent in for the backpanel change. Not as simple as a swap n that's it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I saw a rumor that the iPad 3 will be $80 more than the iPad 2. That would make it $180 more than the equivalent Prime, with a starting price of $580. Yes, that also means that Apple will reduce the price of the iPad 2 and probably bargain-basement the original iPad.

What's going to make Android tablets successful are the upcoming inexpensive versions, like the $250 7" tablet ASUS is coming out with. Lots and lots of people will scoop up tablets at that price point (assuming that any Android tablet maker starts marketing these things like professionals, and note that I don't consider the Kindle Fire to really be an "Android" tablet).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I totally agree. Non-Apple tablets sell on price. Look at the HP TP and BB PB when their prices got slashed. The TF300 at $399 ($349 on sale) will probably be the best selling 10.1" tablet in 2012, Owning the lower end of the market with a high quality (in comparison) offering is a great strategy on Asus' part.