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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slugbug2010:
Is this what will really happen? Doesn't it only void things like if you brick it? It wouldn't void broken camera, etc

I waited too long to root my evo3d and using the root via unlock bootloader method is pia compared to one-click plus I will never have s-off or be able flash roms the old fashion way.

I'm not sure I want to root the Prime, but if I do I want to do it while we still have things easy
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] trebuchet76:
Would using ratchet, the serial number unknown fixer, to write a serial that has already been unlocked to the device work to allow the unlock wihout degrading the original serial?

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bristolmunkeh:
The unlock tool uses the CPU serial rather than the device serial, so doubtful.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] akshay2000:
Okay, they say that the thing cannot be un-rooted. But really? I mean, isn't there even a possibility that there would be a way to restore to the stock ROM or rather stock everything? I'm looking to buy one. But I'm doubtful about its availability in India.

Those who are using it: Did you people really miss the root?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Danny-B-:
Dont confuse this tool with root/un-root ... this unlocks the bootloader, does nothing to root the device etc. It cannot be reversed and invalidates the warrenty on the device.

Once unlocked, you would then root it, and install recovery/custom FW, but this tool alone has nothing to do with root.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mardiie:
Very nice!

Concerning he warrenty. I dont realy see Asus rejecting warrenty if for example your screen does not work anymore.

Asus has always been pretty easy on warrenty when I had problems with components.

Also I'm pretty sure some countries have laws protecting people from thus kind of agreements.

Looking forward to roms!

A question: if I understand correct the difference between root and unlocking/s-off is that with root you get SU permissions and with an unlock you can get into the boorloader and install zips and CWM and basicly change your complete device correct?

Edit: this is my first tablet and the Prime is blowing me away.

Android on my desire is 1 thing but this **** is next level!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MasterZen88:
You are correct. With an unlocked boot loader we have full control of our prime. It opens the doors to a new world.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Did you actually READ what you have to accept? That load of lawyereze absolves Asus of any support, hardware or software. Or at least it's vague enough to look that way. Care to test it in court? Hope you have deep pockets.

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A lot of people are unhappy about the physical quality of the device they paid (what is to them) a substantial sum of money for. And they are, rightly, concerned about the lack of integrity Asus has displayed so far.

Your sarcastic little rant says FAR more about you than it does about the people you would criticize.

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Excuse me? I paid cash for this, cash I worked a good number of hours to earn. And now you're telling me that I don't own it?

You are grievously mistaken.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluewr:
Not at all, it's the same with other product, user plan to use the product as it was not origionally designed for, therefore, it is the user responsibility for causing any damage, same as a car, you don't just put it in a river and see if it's float, then blame the maker.

And alot of people? The number and poll doesn't back up your claim that the majority are unsatasified with their Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BlueStar4:
Does not work for me

Hi guys ,

I downloaded this apk but I'm still getting the "Install blocked' ( For your security , your tablet is set to block installations ...) message when I'm trying to run it from the Prime .

Should I have a SD card on order to run it ?

How it is done ?

Please help !!! Need this unlocking option badly because I have a few apps that I would like to install and are not related to the Android Market .

Tnx !!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] h0l:
Just go into settings and allow the installation of 3rd party apps. But to be honest, if you have no idea on how to do that I'd suggest you don't install it. You look like a perfect candidate for a bricked device to me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BlueStar4:
Thanks a lot hobbypunk ,

I completelly forgot about this option that is allowing installing apps from other sources and this is what I really need .

The "unlock" thing is not so urgent , so , I'll take your advice and I'll wait with it .

Cheers !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
I really wish you fanbois could be more objective about this.

The unit is advertised as having WiFi and Bluetooth. Can you run both at the same time without experiencing issues? Not on a large number of units.

The Prime was originally advertised as having GPS. We all know what a debacle that was. I can refresh your memory if you find it has become selective on you.

WiFi on the Prime performs below par on a large number of units.

A large number of units have suffered from an unacceptable amount lightbleed.

Not a single floating car on that list.

I didn't claim that "...the majority are unsatasified with their Prime". You don't help your case by misrepresenting what I said.

Consumer electronics typically have a less than 5% defect ratio. We know that a good number of people on this forum alone have returned multiple units that did not perform satisfactorily. We also know that a good number of people have not adequately tested their units before proclaiming that their Prime was fine.

And there have been many polls on this forum that have swung both ways, none of which have contained a statistically valid sample size.

I have a Prime, I'm not threatening to return it. Other than the GPS, slightly weak WiFi, and laggy Bluetooth A2DP, it's fine. I'm willing to tolerate these shortcomings, but I am aware they are there. I am also aware that they shouldn't be there.

tl;dr

Don't urinate in my face then try to tell me it's raining.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dagrim1:
Eh, yeah... I did read it. What is your point? You don't HAVE to install this thing you know, and if you do you accept the consequences because the potential harm that can be done is much greater then when running the prime completely stock.

If you want to keep warranty in all aspects you have to use the tablet as they (Asus) instended it. No problem...

The issues with the devices are independant from the consequences of installing this. I'm surely as hell not saying it's perfect and that there are no issues, there clearly are.

But at the moment it's the best there is and I accept the consequences of my actions, thus unlocking it and messing around (with all risks involved).

If you can't afford to mess up the device, don't start messing around like that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
For those wondering what affect unlocking the bootloader has on the hardware warranty, I asked the rep while I was setting up an RMA because my (4th) Prime has about 8 stuck pixels and a bright spot. They stated that as the agreement says they won't even touch the Prime and were about to cancel my RMA. And this RMA was for dead pixels which in no way could be caused by unlocking the bootloader, it is purely a QA issue!

I've purchased several motherboards and laptops from Asus and instructed many of my friends to do the same so I purchased my Prime with no reservations. After this debacle I cannot see myself purchasing another Asus product. Everything about this feels like it was rushed to get to market first and then later fix all the bugs and QA issues with two new products, now the bootloader unlocker seems to be a means for Asus to wash their hands of any responsibility whatsoever. I've never had any reservations unlocking the bootloader on my Samsung, HTC or Motorola products or jailbreaking my Apple ones. I have no faith that Asus can produce a product that will last a year without any issues, all I'm looking for is a product that does what it is advertised to do with no major manufacturing or QA issues. I guess that is too much for Asus to handle.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
If I buy an Asus laptop and install Gentoo (Linux) on it I don't void the warranty.

Why should this be any different?

Furthermore, voiding the hardware warranty because I installed software sounds like a dodge by Asus to avoid their responsibility for manufacturing defect. Which this tablet has had plenty of.

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Oh look! Exactly what I was talking about!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GernBlanston:
January

Asus: We'll be providing a bootloader unlocking tool in February for you guys to put custom ROMS on the Prime, but using it will void your warranty.

User community: HOORAY ASUS! SURELY, YOU HAVE PROVEN YOURSELVES THE MOTHERLY CARE-GIVERS OF THE MODDING COMMUNITY! I ACCEPT YOUR PROPOSAL WITH RELISH, AND AWAIT THE COMING OF YOUR UNLOCKER WITH BAITED BREATH!

February

Asus: Here is that unlocker tool we promised. Remember, it will void your warranty.

User community: TREACHERY, I SAY THEE NAY! LURING US INTO VOIDING OUR WARRANTIES LIKE SOME WANTON BACK-ALLEY HARLOT! ASUS, YOU DISEASED TEMPTRESS, YOU'LL NOT FOOL US WITH YOUR WILEY WAYS!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
There is a bit of a difference between voiding the the warranty if the end user messes it up and washing your hands of the product, including manufacturing defects. Every other manufacturer has basically the same policy, defects are covered end user stupidity is not. I'm quite sure in January the development community assumed that Asus would take the same stand as every other manufacturer. I've RMA'd an Atrix, a Capivate, Magic and an iPad all for hardware issues after they were rooted/unlocked/jailbroken and the only company that has stated they won't cover their hardware issues is Asus.

Asus, stand behind your product!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
Correct me if I am wrong but there's not really an official unlock tool for the Atrix, Captivate, Magic or iPad released by the company of those products is there? If not, then I think this is a different situation. Now say you have an HTC phone that you used the HTC released unlocker and something went wrong with the phone. Would HTC fix it even though the unlocker tool said it would void your warranty?

Just curious.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GernBlanston:
So, ummm...you're saying that a theoretical user with 8 stuck pixels on his prime, (obviously a warranty issue), who nevertheless goes to the Asus support website, navigates through several pages to get to the unlocker tool, reads and agrees to voiding his warranty to download the .apk, installs the .apk to his prime, then reads through two pages of bold print that clearly state his warranty will be voided, checks boxes at the bottom of each to confirm he or she has read the pages and that he or she agrees said warranty will be no more, then operates the unlocker via the button, is somehow being put out by Asus because the tool does exactly what they said it would do almost two months ago?

Here's an idea: If your Prime is suffering warranty support issues, then wait until those issues are fixed before you run the unlocker. If you're worried about Asus support for problems that crop up after the unlocker is applied...don't apply it.

I also think we should face facts on the firmware: The issues related to Wifi/Bluetooth and GPS are, for the most part, hardware issues that are only somewhat mitigated by firmware updates and software fixes...no magic firmware is coming that will fix everyone's problems, not from the mod community, and not from Asus. Root is available for Asus-issued firmware. Unroot is available for Asus-issued firmware. Overclocking is available for Asus-issued firmware. Living without CWM and Cyanogen on the Prime isn't the end of the world, you know...

I'll be the first to admonish Asus for failure to fix warranty issues in a timely fashion, or for failing to stand by against faults in design of their product with warranty service...but I also don't fault them for offering an unlocker with a voided warranty clause. You have to realize that for every stuck pixel problem or other legit hardware concern caused by other than firmware issues, their RMA centers would be receiving 10 Primes stuck in boot-loops created by users incorrectly flashing firmware to their devices, or flashing with Joe Blow's Basement firmware from parts unknown.

I, for one, do not want my Prime with a legit issue that needs warranty attention sitting alongside scores of bricked and boot-looping Primes in some repair depot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] alprazolam:
I agree with you on Asus making the choice to release the unlock tool on their terms. If you install and then argue about the warranty, then it's entirely your fault. I am still disappointed that Asus released it with such requirements. You're correct with the boot loops/bricked returns because of unlock, but I think that they should assess this when the RMA'd product arrives. Hardware issue is theirs, software related to bricking is yours. I won't install this tool and I won't complain that I've been screwed. I just hope that enough people complain to Asus that it tweaks its policy to include warranty replacement for defective hardware.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
Yes, there is an official unlocker for the Atrix and several HTC phones I've owned, not sure about the Magic. Either way every company repaired their products with no issue.

How is the end user supposed to predict what hardware flaws are going to crop up down the road? That's the whole point of having a warranty/RMA policy, to ensure the end user is protected from manufacturing issues! Personally I only had 3 stuck pixel, which I could live with, and over the course of a month I've 'acquired' 5 more as well as a bright spot on the display. Also many issues such as the BT/WiFi interference you would never realize until you tried to use it!

As a side note I personally haven't unlocked my bootloaded because of all the hardware issues, funny enough this product would benefit the most from an unlock (Ubuntu) but has so many hardware issues I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to unlock it!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GernBlanston:
Absolutely. And the way to keep that protection is to not use the unlock tool.

I understand your frustration if your Prime suffers from hardware issues...but your issue is with Asus' inability or unwillingness to address your concerns under your existing warranty, not with the terms of the bootloader...believe me, if your concerns are indeed in hardware, there's little that Cyanogen or any other modder is going to be able to do for you...and you'll have a hard time convincing anyone that Asus implied support of any kind for devices with modded firmware. At least on that front, they've leveled with us from the get-go.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
Unlocking the bootloader has no affect on hardware manufacturing defects, the license you agree to when using the unlocker flies in the face of Implied Warranty. The fact of the matter is that most people probably wouldn't have a problem with giving up their warranty if the product was 'fit' and relatively free from defects. (i.e. Warranty of Fitness) But I've exchanged my Prime 3 times and now have to do an RMA on the fourth, it should not take 4+ exchanges to get a product that works properly without issues! I've owned dozens of similar devices, I have no problem voiding warranties, the problem is Asus is not standing behind their product. I specifically waited until Asus announced they would provide a bootloader unlocker before I purchased a Prime, and now it's weeks later and I still don't have the product I purchased. The root cause of all these complaints is QA issues on Asus part, if they were a reputable company they would fix these issues without having a backdoor excuse to turn down a legitimate problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dannb:
Look. Asus owes you nothing. Sure if you buy a faulty product, they should replace it, no question. That's just good business. But they don't have to. They are the ones providing you with a warranty on that product, so you have to play by their rules.

You don't like it? Tough luck. That's capitalism for you. Start a class action lawsuit if it insults you so much. Otherwise vote with your wallet.

Sent from my Pinnacle Cappy
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
Clearly you do not have a very good understanding of Contract/Common Law. A company is absolutely required to give you a product free from defects, they don't do it out of the goodness of their heart. Have a look at Implied Warranty and Warranty of Merchantability before you start preaching about the inner workings of capitalism.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GernBlanston:
You're right, it has no effect on the manufacturing defects, and neither does putting modded firmware on it. Asus' terms, however, protect them from scores of Primes landing in service centers from people who mess up their firmware or place messed up firmware on the tablet. Sure, Asus could have chosen to survey such instances on a case-by-case basis and determine at the depot whether to provide warranty support for a given modded Prime based on the nature of the fault, but they didn't...they chose to save money and time by not offering those services for Primes with modified bootloaders, and provided their unlock tool under condition that its use voids the warranty.

As for the "implied warranty"...it may be that if Asus had provided this tool without scores of warnings, disclaimers, check boxes, etc. that there would be justification for someone who believed there was an "implied warranty" that should cover their unlocked Prime...but there's nothing "implied" about it...Asus explicitly stated, over and over, that use of the bootloader unlock would void the warranty. They never implied that there would be warranty coverage for Primes with outside firmware, and like many manufacturers of televisions, set-top Bluray players, game consoles, and even tablets (Apple, anyone?) and other devices with upgradable firmware, they simply don't provide support for devices whose firmware came from other than themselves. There may be those manufacturers who provide such support, but that's no reason to declare it "implied"...the vast majority of electronics manufacturers will tell you to get bent if you replace their firmware with custom modded versions, then seek warranty support for any problem, hardware or otherwise.

Again, your use of "implied warranty" is related to your hardware concerns, and is valid concerning manufacturing defects...this does not mean that the implied warranty coverage remains after use of the bootloader unlock tool. The two are separate issues.

Think about it from a tablet manufacturer's point of view in terms of what modified firmware does for return rates. Then, think about what it does for turnaround time for repairs when tablets come in at the repair depot...suddenly, return rates are through the roof, standard software troubleshooting tools may or may not work depending on the nature of the mod, read-outs and performance metrics from standard software that does work may change, technicians have to become versed in Ubuntu, modded versions of android that mix and match GUI's and other interfaces, changing hardware button configurations, etc. Think about what it means from a phone or email support standpoint...now, they have to make sure their operators know any one of several interfaces by which to eliminate the simple faults...for the hundreds of calls they get each week from people with problems that are fixed with a simple settings change, now the operators may not even know how to navigate the user to the setting, much less be able to anticipate exactly what it would do on that customer's particular build.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
Implied Warranty is a legal term in contract law. I'm saying that Asus is implying that warranty an unlocked Prime, by selling Primes they are implying that the goods will comply with the customer's expectations. Clearly their product does not, unlocking the bootloader has no bearing on hardware issues, thus both the implied warranty and warranty of merchantability still apply. It would be like a automotive manufacturer not cover your brakes failing due to manufacturing defect because you didn't have documented oil changes. Since you mentioned Apple I'd also like to add that I RMA'd an iPad 2 that was jailbroken because it developed vertical lines on the LCD with no problem, and Apple's turn around time was only 5 days including shipping. As much as I hate Apple's 'walled garden' they really stand behind their product.

Different software versions/OS has nothing to do with warranty claims, they can always boot it into APX mode and use nvflash to flash a stock image to the unit or worst case scenario JTAG.

Asus sold a defective product. Recall it or fix it.

I have no desire to argue anymore, I work as a quality engineer at an electronics firm. I understand how Contract Law and QA should work, I don't need a layman on the internet explaining their interpretation of it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GernBlanston:
Fixed that for you. I don't think a car's brakes are an apt comparison, as a hardware fault on a Transformer Prime does not typically cause life-threatening situations or catastrophic damage to tens of thousands of dollars in property, nor was there any room in your comparison for the fact that the user has to agree to the removal of warranty coverage just to get the mod.

I agree completely. How that extrapolates into "They are legally bound to cover their product no matter what firmware people put on it, even if those people voluntarily give up warranty coverage before doing so." is beyond me.

Customer: "I'd like an update to the status of my RMA, please?"

Asus: "Ummm...yeah, we're not going to cover this repair."

Customer: "But the wireless never worked right from the get-go...it's obviously a hardware fault."

Asus: "Well, that may be...but we're having a hard time ascertaining that."

Customer: "What do you mean, ascertaining?"

Asus: "Well, near as we can tell, you've done some software mods."

Customer: "Yeah, so? This is a hardware issue. You're legally bound to fix it."

Asus: "Not really...see, when we boot the tablet, we expect to see certain interfaces..."

Customer: "So? It's a custom ROM!"

Asus: "Yes, that is apparent...when we boot your tablet, it sings, "Proud Mary" then the screen goes blank. The only way to bring the screen up is to hit the "volume up" button three times and orient it 45 degrees from horizontal. We can then access a button marked "settings", but all that does is open a gallery of photos of sheep in various stages of being shorn. When we hooked our own test suite up to it, we discovered that most of wireless settings files had been written over with nursery rhymes. The GPS settings form an Asci-art picture of Batman. The recovery mode you put on it has three options: Cream, Sugar, and Black."

Customer: "None of that matters...see, you have this implied warranty..."

Asus: "Yeah, good luck with that." <click>
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] REAVER117:
It makes no difference in contract law if it is a life-threatening defect. You can't give up an implied warranty or warranty of merchantability after the purchase is completed! Defective is defective, a company will perform recall maintenance on a vehicle regardless of its condition or stated warranty. I cannot believe you are arguing this, your profile states you are a PE which requires you to pass an ethics exam that, at least in my case, covered Common/Contract/Tort Law!