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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] andyxover:
I'm sorry but I don't really understand this thread,

isn't it universally established that rooting your device breaks the warranty?

I'm pretty sure every single company out there has this policy. (I know rooting and unlock bootloader are not exactly the same thing, but it's the same idea isn't it? altering software that voids warranty)

then why are people arguing here? if the M-M thing is true, isn't every single

android device making company in violation of this?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluewr:
The issue that some people have is that, unlike other method, this method of unlocking, will make Asus aware of who did Unlock their device, when prior to this, they can claim otherwise.

By using the Unlock tool, the Serial number gets noted, and Asus now know this Device is unlocked, thus no longer officially supported by Asus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Justin_Thyme:
I have to admit that when I first read the disclaimer I was a bit taken back by it thinking the same as some in here that it should be related to software. After pondering it a bit I fully support the ASUS decision to void it all. Software tweaks can wreak havoc on hardware, no doubt about it. Or you can get messing with something and brick your tablet then try and send it off for them to fix under warranty. Well if its bricked they have no way of telling what was going on when you bricked it, not like they have a magic undo machine. The disclaimer is there and you can make your own decision. They didnt have to provide it and you dont have to use it. Now lets look at the other end of the corporate fence. Technically once it has been altered it is no longer and ASUS product and can actually be rebranded with a patent issued on the altered machine. Its done all the time and often the alterations are minimal, just enough to change it so a new patent can be issued. In the case of this tablet it would take nothing more than the software changes and covering the ASUS logo with a sticker.

Now if you really want to fight it after you have unlocked it and bricked it knock yourself out. My bet is the ASUS legal team will dance circles around what ever lawyer you can find to present the case and in the end it cost you 10s of thousands of $$ to lose the case over a $500 tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dilligaf:
Umm, a lawyer's opinion won't let you know for sure. Judge's opinions are what matters.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Actually, I made the decision NOT to unlock mine, because I want to hold onto the warranty. And, I decided to keep the Prime in spite of the policy, because I like it.

That's what it's like to make a decision like a real adult in a free society.

Now, if unlocking were so important to me, I'd get the... um... er... Now, which tablet can be unlocked without voiding the warranty?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] andyxover:
I understand what you are saying. but that is like saying using pirated software is ok as long as you don't get caught. Just because you can revert is back to stock and pretend like it's never rooted doesn't mean you didn't break the rule.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
None really. All have some kind of safeguard in place for the company.

Just funny how people wanted this so badly and knew Asus said it would void warranty. Now its here they want to complain. Can't have everything how you want it. Same reason I haven't unlocked yet. Big risks involved. Plus seeing how people bricked their device scares me away from trying it. At least for now. Ill just wait till roms mature more and build up in numbers. I am very curious as to how the Virtuous Rom is. Been reading great things about it. We need CMW upgraded and Nvflash. NVFLASH WILL allow you to fix a bricked prime.

Stock setup works great for me. Along with overclocking on stock kernel.

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Good point. Xda users are sneakyy..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ickk:
I don't like the 'their device, their rules argument'. It's not asus's device. It's my device. It stopped being asus's device the moment I paid for it, and when I bought it, part of that payment was for a warranty.

If this is their game, they should make an opt-in warranty that costs more. Not to automatically include it and then take it away if you want to add functionality to your device.

Yes, I had the choice not to buy it - but because I did decide to buy it, it doesn't make it acceptable for them to be an indian giver. Their Device, Their rules should apply to the customer - not the OEM.

I feel less safe with a locked bootloader and lacking the ability to backup my system. If asus were to do this with one of their windows netbooks it would be outrageous - why is it any different for an android device. If they want to follow the status quo for mobile devices set down by apple and other OEM's - then they are losing touch the demographic that is feeding them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
All good points. Remwber though, Asus was doing a service to us by releasing tool. They didn't have to. And they could just as easily take it back if people continue complaining enough. They aren't obligated at all to release unlock tool. It was their choice and decision to do so. Its no law stating they have to unlock it.

So I think this thread needs to ease up before they retract the tool or cut off the server to it. Then no body can complain about warranty be voided anymore. Its seeming like we ungrateful or something. They gave us what we wanted, unlock tool and no people complaining about it. Both sides have good points but the terms are what it is. Can't blame them for not wanting people to send in bricked devices caused by the user themselves. I've seen plenty here on xda already do that from messing around. They bricked or messed up tablet themselves and either send it in or return it. Those are the ones who make it bad for everyone. Those are the ones that make Asus have to implement terms like that. Just like they say one bad apple spoils the bunch. That's why safety precautions for Asus has been put in place.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ickk:
I don't mean to sound ungrateful for the tool itself - but merely the conditions. I don't like the idea of compromising however, I've done the compromise already by paying them for a product that should have offered this to begin with. Like I said - if they were to do this with one of their netbooks, they'd be distancing themselves from the pc market and moving more towards totalitarian control over devices like apple. Imagine the ****storm that would create if people couldn't install operating systems as they choose on their windows netbooks... it would be unacceptable. Just because it's become commonplace for mobile OEM's to practice this - doesn't make this any different. If asus want's to join the status quo and practice a level of control over the products they make similar to the likes of apple - it's unacceptable for the demographic they are targeting.

But they don't do this for their netbooks. Those windows users are highly more susceptible to damaging their unlocked systems, but for sone reason that's okay and it isn't for their android devices?

I get there are idiots, but to completely void the entire warranty for everyone all because of a few bad eggs is ridiculous. I wouldn't be so opposed if it was just no software support - but their hardware has been proven to be prone to error and it's almost completely unrelated to unlocking the bootloader.

In fact - I don't NEED a software warranty - that's generally easy enough to fix yourself - the hardware is not.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
If we go back to Barry's post here (#80):

B) The TF101 had an unlocked bootloader and no one had to sign their warranty rights away in order to access it.

I guess The GPS isnt the only thing Asus is crossing off their list of responsibilities on the transformer series.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GernBlanston:
If both parties agree to a modification of the warranty, then they can modify the conditions of the warranty. Asus has not specified that use of an unlocker from another source will void warranty, they have simply offered an unlocker of their own under those conditions.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
If you file your taxes electronically, you sign electronically.

Electronic signature have been found valid in court again and again, and clicking on thta icon is your electronic signature.

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Again, this voided warranty should not be a surprise to anyone. When first announced last month, ASUS stated that it would void the warranty and as well as you were not going to be able to view google movies.

Here's one of the many links.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] czerdrill:
...yep, and this is the point that everyone who says "they can't do this!" is missing. If you agree to use the tool that they provide, then you're bound by the terms they set forth.

As I mentioned several pages ago, if you, on your own found a way to unlock the bootloader, and then your device went bezerk, Asus can't (under Magnuson-Moss) refuse to honor your warranty (unless they can prove it was your unlocking of the bootloader that caused the issue).

If you agree to their terms, and use the tool they provide, Magnuson-Moss simply does not apply. I can't understand why the distinction is not obvious to some.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Because, some people don't want to have to live up to such an agreement. They want to think that they can go ahead and install the unlocked bootloader, and then a lawsuit sometime in the future (by them or someone else) will negate the agreement that they made with ASUS and they'll get warranty support for whatever fails on their Prime. They feel that they're entitled to do whatever they want, no matter the cost to anyone else.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
Maybe because it might be illegal to void warranty for hardware faults based on software modification in some countries? Say if you start getting a lot of dust under the screen. It is simply because screen wasn't sealed properly at the factory, so it was bound to happen wherever you unlocked it or not.

Look, as someone said, HTC have been in this game far longer that Asus, and even they say it MIGHT void warranty. They would be the first ones to void warranty completely if they could. If its a brick, and you used official unlocker, they will charge you for new motherboard, if its glass peeling of from the casing, they will just fix it, regardless of wherever you used unlocker or not. I wonder why would they spend time, money and resources if they could avoid that?

Sent throught the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
What if you are a minor, does this still apply?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lolento:
Can a 17 year old buy things online and not pay for it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
A minor would've had no business using it then. They still will deny you warranty if unlocked. No matter the age. Still falls back on the user.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
That was random. I'm not 17 either. However, I am not technically the "owner" of this device so would the contract still be active?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] blackinjun:
I thought we tacitly agreed to drop this thread yesterday, to preclude any issue of the unlocker being turned off from the servers. At least the OP needs to drop it being officially addressed to ASUS (Gary Keys)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mkten:
While your argument has many valid points, it's rendered void by your swearing.

It is what it is. The prime isn't the only device to suffer from this issue. But, to flip it on its head and use your analogy, if you put diesel into your petrol driven car and its engine failed, where do you think you'd stand on a warranty repair?

Like I said, valid argument. Terrible delivery.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
Low IQ alert! That would be the equivalent of overclocking. However, If you used a different type of octane and it broke, warranty would still apply. Truly an asinine comment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mkten:
No need to be rude.

Please read my post again. I'm not talking about octane. I'm talking about a different kind of fuel altogether.

I was simply giving an example whereby a user action outside normal accepted bounds would cause a warranty-breaking issue with a car, NOT relating that back to a directly comparable action on a hardware device. As you haven't understood, I'll explain it to you very slowly; I'll even relate it back to the Prime, just for you.

I have a [car/transformer]. It runs on [petrol/ICS .15]. Instead of running [petrol/ICS .15], I wan't to run it on [diesel/a third party rom]. I [modify/root] my [car/transformer] to facilitate this. By doing this, I am agreeing to void my warranty, because the manufacturer tells me this is so. This action has subsequently broke my [car/transformer], and therefore, I'm not entitled to any kind of warranty repair. Cue forum raging, finger pointing, and general blaming of everyone else around me to justify my own actions.

If it's written down, and you agree to it, that's literally the end of the story. I'm not saying it's correct, but that's just the way it is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cmccracken:
This is not a valid argument. Putting diesel into your gasoline car will pretty much ALWAYS break it. Putting a custom ROM on your Prime will not break it unless you do something stupid with it. A better analogy to fueling your gas car with diesel would be to charge your prime from 240V AC instead of 15V DC on the USB3 cable. That would not be warranted no matter whether you're rooted, unlocked, or not.

Using a custom ROM is more like getting gas that came out of a buddy's (who the community trusts) gas can and then siphoning it into your tank instead of buying it from the Exxon-Mobil pump. Its probably legit fuel, and you probably won't damage anything putting it in your tank, but there is an element of risk. How careful you are in the process and how much you trust the source is at your own peril.

Personally, I drive a diesel and sometimes I put homebrew biodiesel in the tank. Is Jeep allowed to void the warranty on my air-conditioner because of that? Not a chance. However, if I clog my fuel filter and my fuel injection pump starves and has to be replaced then its at my expense. I trust the source of my biodiesel, and I'm careful in the process used to fuel my Jeep.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Yes, but a tablet isn't a car. It's entirely possible that something in a custom ROM would, say, cause the screen to fail to display an image. Now, I don't mean that it would cause the screen to no longer physically function, but that it could break the display drivers and thus the apparent effect would be that the screen is no longer working.

So, without completely voiding the warranty, ASUS would be required to 1) spend technical time troubleshooting the problem via tech support rep and 2) potentially spend even more money bringing the unit into the warranty shop and breaking it down to test it. That's a cost that ASUS cannot have calculated into its estimates for supporting the device.

And indeed, how would ASUS troubleshoot such a device in any case? How could even a highly competent technical support rep determine what the cause is of ANY problem? That rep (and/or ASUS engineers) would have to be intimately familiar with the custom ROM in question--obviously, a losing proposition. Therefore, ANY failure would need to be physically diagnosed, which would be incredibly costly to ASUS.

And this isn't even like PCs, where we are provided warranty service even though we can install whatever software we want. In fact, oftentimes the solution from the hardware manufacturer is to restore the machine to its factory state as a troubleshooting step. Could a Prime be returned to its factory default state once it's been unlocked and then warranty support provided? I don't know--it seems that once a device has been unlocked, it can't with 100% certainty be returned to that factory state. Someone more technical can perhaps touch on this option.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
No it's not like putting different rims on your car it's like changing the engine, and then complaining that the transmission is locked up. Big difference.

Proud Owner of a Transformer Prime on Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Shadowlore:
*chuckling* Was just talking with our legal counsel here at work, (he bought an iPad a couple years ago, and was talking about getting a Prime..) so I brought up this thread.

Since he deals with contractual and warranty modifications and claims daily, he said this is the how and why for everything, assuming it's a standard terms of usage warranty (even offered to look at the legal details if people really want.. but based on what he knows:

1.) When you purchase the device, there are terms of use you agree to, and along with those terms of use, are the 1 year manufacturer's warranty. (Assuming the device was purchased, and operated solely in an area of the world that the device is allowed to be purchased and operated in) [EDIT: He also just noted that by purchasing the device in an area of the world it is not sold in, or even operating it there.. can cause a voided warranty.. so your best bet is, if Asus doesn't sell or warrant devices in PangoPango, don't tell them you were there when it broke...]

2.) When you download their official unlock too, and run it.. you are presented with a change of the terms of use. Within the terms of use, you agree to CHANGE the warranty, implied or otherwise... it's presented to you as a manufacturer's offer of changed contractual obligation.

3.) if you agree to use their official unlock tool.. you agree to those change of terms/contract, and even if recompiled under another tool, THAT base tool itself even existing is based on your agreement of the revised terms of use.

4.) If you unlock your device in a NON-Official way, Asus reserves the right (at it's own discretion) to examine the device you send in for RMA. If they determine, without a doubt (to be determined by a court of law, if necessary), that the device was damaged due to accidental misuse (whether it be you smashed it over someone's head, dropped it, unlocked and overclocked it, etc..) then their contractual warranty is nul, by your not sticking to the same contract/agreement.

TLDR Official Legal Summary:

a.) If you use their tool, you void the warranty...

b.) if you DON'T use their tool, they can check to see if you screwed it up by doing something that was outside the 'normal' use. (Unlocking unofficially, hacking it, etc..etc..).. the same way a car dealership CAN void your warranty if you make a modification that directly interferes with the operation of your car... eg: they reserve the right to PROVE that your modification screwed up the device/car.

If you'd all like, I can even forward this to an Asst. MO Atty General to look at if you'd like.. he's a friend and, while busy, I'm sure he'd be happy to give me his official look at it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
^^^^^

Thank you for the information. However, I fail to see how the tool's existence without the terms properly displayed implies agreement to the changes none-the-less. That being said, I also fail to see a lot of sensible outcomes from law and most judicial systems.

But it's not.

I'm tired of reading this, but every time I provide a digital 'signature' for my taxes I also have to type out my name and the date. This is the 'signature,' not the "OK" button.

From what I gather, this is no different than a ToS or EULA document: you can agree, they can try to stand by it, but all in all it is not a valid legal tool for me to read something and click a button.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lolento:
There is no reasoning with the people who just want to get the unlock and keep the warranty. How is this even reasonable or fair with Asus? Should they just sell you a device and let you experiment with it and if it breaks down from your experiments, they have to take it back and provide a full refund? Would that be fair business practice to you?

When you do your taxes online, the tax identifier is not tied to the computer or device you are doing your taxes on so typing out your name and pressing OK is a practice. However, the serial number of the Prime is specifically tied to the unlocker tool so why would you need to type out your name? Asus would not know specifically who bought their Primes so why would they care to have specific names attached to the unlocker tool?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] blackinjun:
Can we drop it now that there is a semi legal opinon posted

I for one do not want a thread that I posted in, forwarded to any higher authority where it may be published, and I would look stupid for explaining that if you agree to something, you agree to it. Anyone that knows me would ask how did you get sucked into responding more than once to the other side of this argument.

EDIT: JER CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR FOR OLD TIMES AND DELETE ALL OF MY POST FROM THIS THREAD
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Beknatok:
You know what's so damn funny about this thread?

Almost everyone who dares to challenge your assertations, you reply and dismiss any claims/opinions/counter-assertations presented because those responding to you are not lawyers.

But you've clearly stated you're not a lawyer either. So what makes you so damn confident that M-M does or does not apply? You speak authoritatively to the point where you blindly dismiss others, but you have absolutely no more or less authority to do so.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
When you unlock and void your warranty, and WiFi stops working completely, or screen has started coming away from casing, or your screen developed bunch of dead pixels, you will be first one to cry how its not fair for Asus to void warranty for hardware which cannot be affected by software mods. Well, maybe not you, but a lot of people who claim its fair to void warranty by using unlock tool will.

Sent throught the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
BINGO! Now we can close this thread since its moot. Now that we know there's no disputing Asus warranty claim change as you agreed, whether implied or not, to use their tool.

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Lmfao.......he got you Barry ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] czerdrill:
Sounds right to me
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
We need to get some real lawyers to duke it out in here.

Sent from my tablet thing with XDA Premium.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
Their toy, Their Rules.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lolento:
That's is why I am waiting a year before using the unlock tool. I weigh the pros and cons. I don't do anything without knowing the consequences and I don't act a cry baby about it.

Asus never says they will invalidate your warranty but they will void your warranty if you use their unlock presumably to use the Prime as a development device.

EDIT: Sorry, may be that was too harsh but honestly, unless you're a dev, there is no reason to use the unlock tool. Stock rom + root already does everything you need on the Prime.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tennockey:
Currently have a vivid and a gs2. I'm hoping for some reassurance that the devs we have here would hopefully be able to work on a cm9 or aosp ics later when all the sources drop. I've got to decide which phone to keep and ive seen that the gs2 has more devs working on stuff than we have for the vivid. Just a question. Any feedback from developers is appreciated. Thanks!