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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Flash forward a couple of months. The TF700 will be out with improved and more consistent wireless, working GPS, less screen bleed if the design's been changed, and for good measure, an HD display. Granted there's a $100 price differential but it will be basically everything the Prime should have been. If the TF700’s design cures all the Prime’s ills, why didn’t Asus slap a non-HD display on it and sell it for $499?

If Asus intentionally left GPS out of the Prime (no chip or antenna) and everything else worked flawlessly (and to the same standard as the TF700) the question would then be "is GPS worth $100 to you." But that's not the question. The real question is "why did Asus choose a design (and subsequently move away from it) that hobbled a feature they intended to offer?" That same design choice is causing wireless to vary from device-to-device and creating build quality issues resulting in screen bleed. The elephant in the room for people with working Prime’s should be “how will they be working six months from now?” After looking at what was discovered in the autopsy thread and hearing failure stories from short drops and impacts it’s a legitimate question.

Again, looking forward, can you just imagine the howls if the low-end TF300 has better wireless, no BT/Wi-Fi streaming issues, and fully functional GPS for $150 (WAG) less than the Prime?

When people say "GPS" I'm taking it as a euphemism of their overall frustration; not simply the presence or absence of a feature. You're using practical logic to defend against what is a philosophical and moral issue. The issues the Prime's facing are not an accident nor did they need to exist in the first place. And I get that some people have working Prime's and don't give a **** about GPS and have little sympathy for others. But I also understand the frustration of those that feel short changed and let down by Asus. It'll be interesting to see if feelings change a couple of months from now when Asus has two additional tablets on the market.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hofby:
Thanks for info
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
He's at a funeral until the 22nd.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
The 22nd is the official launch of the PS Vita. Hopefully Gary's not planning on purchasing a Vita:p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ericshmerick:
Don't be silly. Lots of apps utilize GPS and to act as if its not useful just because it sucks on the Prime is rather apologetic for Asus's poor decision to use a metal back.

Had the Prime GPS worked as well as the TF101 or iPad 3g this board would be lit up with joy talking about how great it is to have GPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluewr:
Until the device is out, those are all speculations.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Not really There is the youtube of the TF700 from the CES i believe stating that there is improvement on both the wifi and GPS. And for Asus's sake if the TF700T has the same quality and performance of the when the TF201 was released, then they are asking for trouble. But I highly doubt it, they need the TF300 and TF700T to perform as it should so they can get the trust back from lost,current, and future consumers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
They may work when released, but I don't think we will see them until late Q2 and more likely Q3. At last speculation, I don't believe that the TF700 was expected to be at retailers before July. That's more like 5 months...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
So, is the Prime the exception or the rule? The TF101 was successful and had more than adequate wireless and GPS. Both the TF300 and TF700 have plastic (or partially plastic) back covers. So right now, Asus is one for two. Will the next tablets perform more like the TF101 or like the Prime?

And those championing Asus

and

the Prime, you can't do both. If the TF700 and TF300 are like the Prime, as junrider said, they'll have bigger issues than the Prime's flaky wireless to deal with. And for those hoping the TF700/TF300 are like the Prime as a way of defending their purchase decision, you'll win the battle but lose the war. You'll be able to say after the TF700 comes out, "see, I told you so" if its wireless is a fail. But that's not going to make the Prime better but will further impact Asus' reputation. One's a fluke, two's a pattern. One more release like the Prime and Asus, the company everyone wants to succeed, had better come up with a "Plan B" for their Android tablet business.

Time, as it always does, will tell...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Give it a rest already, damn..lmfao. alot more to prime than GPS. Be glad when some folks do get a refund so they can just move on...sheesh..SMH
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Walter00:
Spending €600 on a half baked product makes people .... not happy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Exactly!

March should prove to be most interesting, in the world of tablets. Be glad Asus has given those that are unhappy a easy means of escape.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluewr:
You mean like the various review that the TF201 is a perfectly fine unit?

Until actual unit is shipped out and used in a real life situation, everything else is just speculation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kwazytazz:
GPS isn't really important to most, but its just the principle, a lot of people bought the prime with GPS advertised. Fast forward a month or two, they decide to remove it out of the specs.

Kinda like a car with advertised aux in for mp3 players and etc, it doesnt work well then it was removed. Then you hear people complain about you complaining, then tell you aux in isnt important or necessary, you can use a FM Transmitter.

Just saying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
More like buying a car with a non functional turbo charger. Since it doesn't boost the HP, we will just remove the spec but leave it on the car, because Hey not everybody needs it and if you really wanted it you should get the professional model.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jonny68:
I would like to get one but how can anyone justify buying one with sll these problems, would someone spend a lot of money on a car if it was reported by others as constantly breaking down.

Are there any other quad core tablets avsilar at present with similar specs worth looking dies anyone know?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
If I bought a netbook/notebook and it had GPS listed as a feature, I would expect GPS to work !

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Silly Prime bashers................can't believe they expect all features listed on the spec sheet to actually work !

What I don't get is why all the peeps out there complain about all the other peeps that are not content about their broken device, but read the topic anyway!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] r_simoes:
+1

(you just saved me the trouble of writing, since I was going to say these exact words!) :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Yes. IF those people actually move on. Some of the most prolific complainers on this forum never bought a Prime in the first place.

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Okay, did you actually read what I wrote? I was SPECIFICALLY talking about people who wouldn't have cared about GPS if the Prime didn't have a GPS chip at all (which is why I mentioned the iPad 2 and Kindle Fire). I was asking people to consider if they really care about GPS in general (i.e., wouldn't have even considered the Prime if it didn't have a GPS chip) or were bothered by the Prime because it has a GPS chip that doesn't work as well.

I'm specifically excluding people to whom a GPS is important because they hoped to actually use it.

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Looks like you, too, didn't read what I wrote. But, you answered my question: some people definitely don't actually care about GPS itself, they only care because the Prime has a GPS chip but it doesn't work as well as some other devices.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] benefit14snake:
I personally got over the GPS issue. The wifi issue not so much. When Gary gets back I would like to discuss a refund please.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
EXACTLY, I understand what you saying. BuT

Life is to short to stress over b.s. Do what you gotta do to make yourself happy. If getting a refund on prime brings that then so be it. But constantly dwelling on the situation doesn't make it any better LR bring a solution any faster. Unless people looking for a pity party. I'd be mad if more than just GPS didn't work on my prime. But I wouldn't be up here constantly complaining about it.

Ill just butt out this thread. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
This is just a guess, or hypothesis... but I do believe some are complaining & *****ing just because you leave a statement/mark in just about every thread in this forum. The fact that you leave a comment just to defend "YOUR" experience with PRIME probably left a bad taste to those who are "unhappy".

Honestly, you don't belong in this thread since you are obviously happy with YOUR prime. I really don't understand why you would come here to "*****" to those who are "*****ing" (according to you). So, in a way.. you are complaining to those who are "complaining".. constantly.. some would call that "trolling".. but since this is you & you obviously don't troll.... it probably is.. "i'm just trying to be helpful".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] richB7:
Some of these guys complaining about others complaining remind me of the old BBS days and 1200 baud modems. Then it had some merit but now it's just belly aching. Tired of reading the posts than stop reading them. Simple really.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kevinm2k:
See my prime has been decent apart from some screen bleed which is pretty annoying and my docking station which some letters occassionally decide they dont want to work.

Other than that I dont really have any other issues, but still believe if they are going to superseed the prime all existing owners should get some kind of trade in offer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I simply want this thread to be:

1.) info on getting Refund from Asus

2.) to make it public to those who are seeking refund
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Just like a lot of others so that means nothing to me. AS I COULD easily call them out by name. As far as this thread goes though, I get your point on purpose of making it. :cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Hahaha correct... but I dont think they are that stupid to make the same mistake over again. Are they? Plus its an extra 100 dollars consumers have shell out to release a fix...... I meant a higher end prime.;)

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Hmm.. I would like you to name a few. I know of 1 (but he can defend himself if he chooses) and its not me, I bought a total of 4.5 primes.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
Contacted Gary also, will let you know what comes from it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smashingblue:
I'd like Gary to contact me as well to discuss a refund.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
Again, if you are happy with the Prime, it's broken GPS and weak wifi and are not concern with getting a refund, why the hell are you reading this ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Try to keep "flame" wars out please...

Let's just gather info. on how to receive Full Refund. Hopefully... Gary isn't the only way/source of receiving full refund...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
I know I've done my fair share here. Currently I'm happy with Asus. I wrote a detailed letter of my experience with the TF201 to Asus Taiwan. In return they hooked me up. Now I have a new Prime and dock at no expense to myself. I really hope Asus can get BT & WiFi working. I can't use my Prime's WiFi out of the living where my E4200 router is located....and it's a C1.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Same old song and dance...

So I have to agree with the OP on this one, you see: YOU ARE UP HERE CONSTANTLY. You simply will not stand for anyone making a pissed off comment and being unhappy about the Prime. Heaven for bid it's about GPS, which you will tell them: "It's a dead issue" (It's not, you know... in fact I think the party has hardly gotten started) or "The Prime is about more than GPS" (Yes, but that does not mean it is NOT ABOUT GPS also.

Do yourself a favor, let people who want to ***** do it. Let them do it righ here, which is as good a place as any. Think how much more time you will get back in your day. Not just from the "Pro-Prime" comments you feel obliged to make, but from having to be so vigilant, checking all these thread every day, slaying all the naysayers with your words of Prime superiority!

OP: Sorry, I hijacked the thread and you asked to keep it on subject. You may as well ask for Christmas to stay strictly religious holiday. Not likely to happen. Why we are compelled to state these same viewpoints in every thread under the sun, intrigues me, though I am as guilty as anyone.

Pity to poor ignorant, naive new Prime owner who poke his head in here and makes a comment, LOL! This crowd (me included) all jumps up with "Ahah!!! did you SEE what he said? He said the Prime is a POS!!!! " "No, but in paragraph 3, line 2, he said he sort of LIKES IT!!!! ""

"Yeah, what about post 2, who agreed with ME? ' "Yes, but only on THIS, but not on THAT. "

"That may be so, but THAT doesn't matter. It's not as important as THE OTHER THING"

I swear, this is more entertaining that a freaking Presidential debate!

The whole train wreck that the Prime is is amusing, if nothing else. I spoke to a guy in Starbucks today (where my WiFi was, uh... working pretty good by the way - make note of it, so we can argue about it later, LOL) He asked me: "Is that the Transformer Prime?" I said it was, and asked what he knew about it. The answer? From the "Man on the street" so to speak? Not too much, if you can believe that. Hanging around here, you would think the fate of the free world was in the balance and the Prime will either save the world or destroy it. He said, and I quote:

"I heard it was pretty good!"

Did you HEAR that guys? Man... just shows he knows NOTHING. The Prime is many things, but "Pretty Good" is not one of them. Oh no. It Its Fantastic/crap Awesome/POS. EVERYONE knows THAT!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Wow a free prime and dock... too bad they gave you a crappy one. Its great that they gave you a free one for your troubles.. too bad it is one of the reasons you returned the other ones in the first place. Can you RMA that one to Asus to get it inspected or since its free can you mod it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jdbaker82:
Skygunner can you please PM me the address you wrote to? I got a nice letter for then too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bluewr:
You're getting worked up there, might want to take a breather from the net.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Wait, you mean I need to stay off the WEB as a whole? WOW. Thanks for the advice. I was so "worked up" I feel better now... whoops, better get off the net. You won't like it.

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Are you POSITIVE you are not looking at a defective e4200? I have had exactly 2 Primes, and BOTH of them work fine, as far as WiFi performance, at any position in my house, with a new E4200. How it it that 9 or 10 Primes won't provide reasonable Wifi in your environment?

I mean REALLY. SOMETHING is seriously wrong. The odds of you getting THAT MANY defective primes as far as outright WiFi performance, is what a billion to one?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
I tried to return my free one for store credit...lol. As you can see I still have it:(

http://www.corpasia.net/taiwan/2357/irwebsite/index.php?mod=ircontact

jerry_shen@asustek.com.tw I emailed 10 different addresses. I think these are the ones that worked.

My letter was 20 pages long. 10 pages in english. 10 pages in Mandarin Chinese. My daughter is half Chinese and speaks/writes it. I included a copy of all of my receipts and a letter written by a bestbuy customer relations manager.

Trust me. It's not my router. In addition to my E4200 I also have a E4200 ver. 2 and WNDR3700. All of these routers plus the ones at my place of employement and Barnes and Noble work fine with every other device I own. My only problem with my current Prime is poor wifi range and BT & wifi not working at the same time. Everything else is perfect. Including GPS in a car;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
Offered me six month extended warranty............no dice here !

Apparently this will only apply to customers who believe that Limited GPS "IS" an issue !

I guess all others, since GPS is not an issue to them, will have to be happy with the OEM 1 year warranty !;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mediocrates:
Since all I've gotten have been "generic" emails back from Asus, I just refuse to buy any of their products in the future, which actually hurts me, since the only motherboard manufacturer I trust has been ASUS, for over 15 years. With the amount of pc builds and recommendations I have made in that time, it's quite a bit of money that could have continued going to ASUS. I stand on principle. I will be purchasing Gigabyte mobo's from now on, since they are next in line as far as quality and support. If you want ASUS to listen, hit 'em where they notice it.

As far as whether the GPS matters to you, it's more a personal issue for most. In my case, it was actually trying to use it on a trip to the east coast in early January. Yes, I had it connected through wifi to a perfectly functioning Galaxy Nexus. Yes, I know I can use the Nexus as the GPS, but I had it on the windscreen while my wife was driving, and I was using the prime to find and route out places to go, and restaurants to eat at. As you know, most of the apps on the market use GPS to find the closest location. In this case, the Prime NEVER got a lock for more than 3 seconds on a single satellite. It saw probably 8 or 9, but never locked onto more than 3 at any given time, and then disappear. In Google maps, it still showed my home location. Yes, you can download apps to make the GPS in the phone control the prime, but I feel I paid for something that should have worked from the outset. The fact that wifi didn't help is the kicker, and yes, I have unlimited data, and hotspot, that I pay for, so I have VZW's tether for wifi.

I wouldn't be so pissed about it, but motherboards are a LOT cheaper than a tablet, and the one time I take the plunge, and actually lay down decent money for a Prime, and not have it deliver to expectation, well, let's just say it leaves a bitter memory in place. These are just my personal feelings about the issue, and if you don't agree with it, fine, I can respect that. But in my case, it is a real issue, even if it was a one time use, it was 1000+ miles of frustration with a product I was hoping would make the time go faster, and honestly contribute to a more interesting vacation in terms of finding new places to go.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Today I got my 3G PS Vita w/32GB card. Here's the straw that broke the camels back. In my bedroom my Vita has perfect signal from my E4200 router. I can barely get a bar on my free Prime. So I got soooo pissed and gave it to a friend of mine that works in retail this morning. A few minutes ago he dropped off a gift card from my favorite retailer for 649.98USD!!! Yehaa!!!! That's why I'm talking about!!!

Now I can get a TF700t w/dock and iPad 3, w/o breaking the bank. Life is good:D

Oh yeah....the PS Vita's wifi and bluetooth work together at the same time.

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GPS works awesome on the Vita, better than my Prime. Maybe it's because of the 3G:confused: Who knows such things......
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jdbaker82:
I want to buy the Vita but none of the current games impress me or float my boat.... as soon as a great game comes out im down
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
It's off the hook, quad core and works as advertised. Add me now Primo! skygunner27. So far I got UMvC3, Wipeout2048 & Uncharted. Bestbuy has B2G1 Free Vita game deal.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I guess all your time and efforts in searching for the perfect prime finally paid off :D.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Yup..lol. The perfect free Prime refund.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Be glad I edited this....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I guess demandarin wasnt too pleased of your choice of actions. I guess if Asus really wanted you to keep the free TF201, then they should have tested it before shipping it to you. At least if you decide to go with the TF700T, then it wasnt really a lose for Asus. So Itd still be a win win situation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Exactly.

Regardless of if I payed for it or not. WiFi & BT together must work beyond 20ft of the router. When the TF700t releases I will be among the first in the U.S. to own one. That refund still belongs to Asus in the long run. So no harm done.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Nvm.........
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
I applaud you for staying out of this. I can see it must be hard. I think you and can agree it is best to hold your tongue for another day. Even though IMO/Experience the Prime was/is a complete failure, I'm still on "Team Asus" when it comes to the TF700t.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I can see your point he could have worded his post better to not seem boastful, but you have to see his perspective too. You have to admit, through his posts on the other threads he was really looking for his perfect prime. I mean going through all those primes must take some dedication, plus the time and trips to the stores. There is a saying that "time is money." He spent all those numerous amount of hours in the store to buy and return those primes, and even a good chunk to test one that never turned on. He also wrote a 10 page letter in english an mandarin. He didnt know he was getting a free prime from day one, It just turned out that way. I think it was justified on what he did with his prime. Asus wanted to compensate for the troubles he went through, they gave him a free prime. His brand new prime from Asus left him still not content, that money is a total satisfaction for his ordeal. But in a way, if he does get a TF700 then Asus has accomplished what they intended to give in the first place. A satisfied and happy prime owner.

At least he didnt sell it to someone and have them receive a defective prime.