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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] YoungAceAtlanta:
I hope you didn't turn in your school papers like this :confused:

i dont bash people but seriously at least hit the "Enter" key once
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
I'm unsubscribing from this thread
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
I pay for insurance on 3 lines, Sprint TV Extra, and Hotspot. No wonder why Customer Service treats me like a king. I am too old to know about playing games all day but I have a job where I can be on XDA quite a bit and with 5 new ICS ROMs coming out virtually daily on my NS4G, I feel like I better ante up if I want to keep flashing like a drunk Euro at a soccer game
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
ok lets look at it this way...

Comcast, Times Warner all those companies make a TON of money off selling home internet service. They have to or they wouldn't stay in business. Those companies have to also stay with upkeep such as the lines to each individual home instead of a few towers every few miles.

So if

X = Amount of data used

Y = Amount of subscribers

Z = Upkeep cost

A = Average customer monthly payment

B = The cost for them to get data

then for times warner/comcast they have something like

A * Y > Z + ( B * X)

This HAS to be true or they again wouldn't be a company for long and would go bankrupt.

So what does sprint have that makes this equation so impossible to work for them when the same amount of data is used?

Is it B thats so expensive? Because guess what comcast and such have people who use 10X the amount of data the average cellphone user uses, so this can't be true.

The only possible explanation is Z, which would be the cost of the towers, and maintaining them, and until I see proof that is the case I call BS, and that sprint doesn't lose a dime on any customer since A is about *2 compared to Comcast/TW customers payments.

What is so freaking hard to understand about this that you all take sprints side?

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Oh, not to mention that the tower cost doesn't change no matter the data used, so again.. I call BS.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crzycrkr:
What is so freaking hard for you to understand that he blatantly broke the TOS? It had nothing to do with defending the "big bad corporation." It has to do with defending the right, not making excuses for the wrong, which is all you've done in this thread. Try to justify it however you like, simple fact of the matter is he's wrong.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tt281gt:
LOL :p

10 char
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ty080279:
lol ...your killin me!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Android300ZX:
It's definitely abuse.

OP slow it down and be careful. If they kick you out I hope you have good credit to join another carrier.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ubuntunerd:
did we ever see the letter from the op im tired of reading lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Negative. Lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
On YOU are missing the point, what is so freaking hard to understand that some things by law are legal, but completely BS.

Lets see, shall I start naming some things?

Slavery, segregation, forced religion just to name a few. So just because something is by law legal, doesn't make it right, moral nor does it mean a jury can't decide that the person was 100% in there right to break a unjust law. I feel he was doing the same as breaking a unjust law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

"Jury nullification is a constitutional doctrine which allows juries to acquit defendants who are technically guilty, but who don't deserve punishment. It occurs in a trial when a jury reaches a verdict contrary to the judge's instructions as to the law."

Or, can you provide me ANY evidence to show me that my math is wrong? What makes it so hard to prove my math is wrong, or my formula is wrong?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
You just compared breaking TOS, which still hasn't been proven true, to slavery...

Give me a break.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crzycrkr:
Lmao, wow, just wow. Now going to new lengths to try to justify it with utter nonsense. You still seem to completely ignore the fact that you agree to the TOS when you sign your contract. Its not something forced upon you unjustly. So if you sign that contract, and then knowingly break it, it is wrong, legally, morally, and however else you want.

You're jumping off the deep end with your attempt to justify this. Your "points" are completely absurd nonsense. And just since you asked, your equation and math makes no difference. One companies profit compared to others have absolutely no bearing on what this guy did.

Do us all a favor and go camp out in a park for a month and hold a sign complaining about the unfairness of the 1% so all of society can laugh at you and we don't need to deal with you. Thanks
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
I was giving example of things that were perfectly legal and then changed. No were did I compare someone being force into slavery to someone getting there cellphone service canceled.

Would you like some other examples? How about someone not paying taxes and the jury nullifying it? I just gave the best examples because every single person in the world knows those are wrong, and knows they shouldn't be legal.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] _MetalHead_:
Did you really just go there? I mean... REALLY??

That's a f*cking retarded argument.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
Yep again.. defame the person so there message will have less point. Why? Because you can't in any way prove that him using that data cost sprint a dime can you? You can't even come close to showing anything like that because it's completely not true or improvable. Where as simple math shows that it's just sprint trying to wring every dime they can out of there customer base and get rid of the ones they don't make as much money off of.

You guys are very poor at debating and proving your point. I gave very simple proof, and it just gets ignored so you can defame me. But whatever hopefully some people with common sense will read this.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
You can't even prove Sprint sent him a letter and if this is true...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
Actually it's a completely valid and court made argument. Are you going to tell me the whole bases for our legal system is wrong?

How do you think slavery got overturned in part? Because juries refused to hold someone for a crime when it related to helping free slaves.

How did prohibition of alcohol get removed? Because people refused to put those who broke the law in jail.

How did we get to the point we are now with the separation or church and state, or the removal of segregation? It was all based off people breaking there law to prove there point.

Go read some history dude.

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It doesn't require a letter, it requires remedial math for crying out loud.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
You make no sense... If he didn't get a letter then what did Sprint do wrong?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
No letter means they did nothing wrong in that case.

But we can still debate the merit of if they should be allowed to, or if they are allowed to if it's the right or legal thing to do.

Be it the face that they advertise unlimited which means without any constraints or hindrances, or the fact that they double charge for things (like hotspot data and cellphone data), the fact they force people to take voice with data, etc.

The letter is meaningless because if your defending their right to cut someone off of unlimited service for "using to much" I am saying you can't use to much of something that is

unlimited

.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
No... Because Sprint didn't do it. It's irrelevant to argue about whether they can or can't do something they haven't done.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] beserker15:
Alright, so while I do sorta agree with your equation for what Comcast would use, Sprint and the other mobile carriers have a few very distinct differences when it comes to their costs and upkeep.

First off is subsidization. The smartphone you're gettting for $199 or less for your 2 years of service is hundreds up front that the carrier has to eat so they can profit from you over time. Last I checked Comcast has never given me a laptop and they even charge $7 for their stupid modem unless you go buy your own. Second is the upkeep. Upkeep for Comcast is largely maintenance because they have already saturated a lot of their market, as in most homes already have broadband from them or DSL so they don't have to really work on expanding. I don't know about you, but Comcast hasn't really upgraded for me in years, not that their speed is lacking...but it's no FIOS. Sprint has to put out bundles to: setup new towers/make new roaming agreements to improve coverage, upgrade their existing towers for speed and capacity because the mobile market is still booming quickly (and more recently...the smartphone data market), and also invest in a whole new technology that they haven't even put out yet (LTE). So unlike Comcast, who has to maintain 1 main network, broadband internet/cable/phone are all one source essentially...Sprint has to maintain EVDO 3G, 1xRTT, Voice, Wimax, and the new upcoming LTE.

Oh and of course tower cost changes when data is used, I mean electrical energy transferring those bytes has to be funded from somewhere right? Sure his single 100gb in a month makes hardly a difference overall, but if more people starts tethering without paying extra, then how can it not make an impact?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crzycrkr:
Really? You make no sense whatsoever. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE IT COST SPRINT A DIME. THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON WHAT HE DID BEING WRONG. STOP TRYING TO TWIST THE SUBJECT! Does me "yelling" make it easier for you to understand?

It has nothing to do with defaming you. You're doing a fine job at that yourself. You are twisting the such next as much as you possibly can to try to prove your ridiculous point. Maybe you should go into politics, lol.

The simple fact of the matter is he broke the terms of his contract. Its cut and dry. It doesn't matter what Sprints profit margin is. The math you are harping about means about as much to this conversation as your lunch today. You don't have a leg to stand on, so again, go hold a sign and scream in a park like all the other self entitled whiners of this country. He agreed to a contract, then broke it. Its incredibly simple. Nice try though
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
This **** is seriously still going on?

Take it to the sprint forum.

Christ.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Freeroot:
THANK YOU. Was going to say the same damn thing. none of this matters, if the guy was actually using 100gig a month, he would be a TREMENDOUSLY noticeable outlier and I really don't blame Sprint. NOW, if it's like 5gig a month, then I understand, but I think everyone needs to just let this thread die.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Its an internet fight! Just sit back and watch the herp derp.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hayabusa1300cc:
Seriously wow this thread is still live?????? 34 pages is a bit excessive. Might as well change the name to "The Official Argument Thread pt2"

.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garradalexanderkiss:
I agree with everything everyone says about letting it die, etc. That being said, don't advertise yourself as the ONLY unlimited data provider of it its not by definition unlimited. Just the way it is.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
Dude, with all due respect, no one even knows all the true details of this.

It could just be someone trolling.

The person could have been downloading pirated files.

Who knows.

Its not fair to assume that the OP is giving the whole story with absolutely no proof.

Thread reported. Enough already
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MasterColdSoul:
Ok lets go point by point...

1. Phone Subsidizing

The phone subsidizing is 200 dollars spread over 18 - 24 months though if you do it at 18 months it's added on to your 24 month contract. But lets just say 18 to give you the best shot at a point.

200 / 18 = 11.11

Do you think that the payment sprint receives is more than 20 bucks over the cost for the same amount of date usage through comcast? I think so so this isn't a valid point other than a slight addition to sprints costs which isn't more than the increased gain from there prices. Since the average difference is about 50-60% over that of comcast it's more than covered here.

2. Expanding

Comcast doesn't have all markets and they do have to keep expanding in order to increase possible revenue and market share. This is nothing different than sprint.

3. Tower cost

The price of electricity is most likely more because towers are transmitting over miles, but I think this is nullified due to the fact that each tower serves hundreds if not thousands of people. If say the average tower serves 500 people then even 1-5 dollars added to each person bill would easily cover the additional cost.

So right now we are up to 17 bucks or so of additional cost and since sprint charged about 40 bucks more than comcast for basically the same service they are not losing anything.

Thanks for the thought out reply.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Isriam:
I dont get why no ones cares about people doing stupid crap like this guy. Hes the reason you get 500k down at a time. When someone uses that much bw they are screwing us all. And not because of limited or unlimited but because of bandwidth we all share.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ElAguila:
Is that for your phone only or do you have other phones on the plan? If it is a family plan then I would say that is not unreasonable. Of course with the crappy speeds in my area(a 4G city where you can't pick up 4G) I could never hit that in a month.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BigRick10:
If he was paying for hotspot then I'd understand. But Sprint put a cap on hot spot back in November so I know he isn't paying for it and he's violating the TOS and he's upset.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nabbed:
How much do you spend on tissue and lotion?

You need a gf, man!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] datajosh:
Yeah, you can't get too upset when you're caught skirting the rules... especially to the tune of 100 GB!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
Well, their excuse was using the internet for streaming and game hosting...they looked at the ips i was visiting. Didn't mention anything about tethering.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] naripsta:
Get out of the house lol, really..100GB's of usage?

Get DSL or something it's not that expensive.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] interhawk1:
Well if they are kicking you off their service then that is still not throttling lol. It just means they are kicking you out haha
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
Dude it's streaming Netflix mainly. It uses a lot of data.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BigRick10:
Tethering is really why you for the letter.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lickarock:
Dude, they still have to pay for your data useage. That is why the cap is so "low" on other carriers. You are using more data than you pay for in your entire bill over the course of 3 cycles in one month. You are the reason other companies capped their data packages. You are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
Sorry you live in the sticks bro, move out if you want a better connection, stop *****ing or get Verizon.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Freeroot:
I think you should send them a *typed or handwritten letter* saying:

"May I please direct your attention to this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9NnaB0Rfs] that details what I can expect to receive from you as a loyal customer. As much as I'd thoroughly enjoy contacting engadget, phone arena, reddit, etc. to make some uncomfortably accurate statement about a class action lawsuit for false advertising, I think we should just put this behind us and enjoy me consistently giving you heaps of cash."

Then throw in some douche bag remark like "I hope you cry yourself to sleep"

All things aside, though Sprint has horrible customer service, I have dealt with worse companies and you do have to admit, your data usage is well above average (approximately 10x above average), but if they don't want it, they shouldn't advertise it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
a lot of brave soldiers were lost in tissues in that 100gbs.... but seriously i would send you a letter too for that kind of usage it is obvious abuse.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ssconceptz:
No they can't, at least not now that Carrier IQ has been removed. They can see some information through their network but not the app your using.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BigRick10:
He's violating the TOS he signed. Doing this does nothing lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] yokken:
that's absurd man. i can see how if you used it as your primary internet connection and have wimax with 8-10mbps speeds, then yeah i can easily see how you'd hit 100gb in a month. i do that at home with NO problem on comcast. i've also passed 250gb of bandwidth in a month and i haven't been throttled so i don't know about that either.

but lol you better get a good wifi card/antenna and start sniffin man
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
yea, they didn't mention tethering, but they did mention, i can't play mw3 using their network. lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
i don't have home internet, i am not home must of the time.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
I'm gonna guarantee that if you used over 100GB a month [which by the way is absolutely disgusting and as far as I'm concerned Sprint SHOULD cancel you] you used more than the 300 MB a month in roaming.

Either that or you were downloading pirated files [which is very likely using 100GB a month] and that's how they got you.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Freeroot:
The better part of this month is over and my data usage so far is 4 gb.... That's pretty absurd man.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nabbed:
Here's Verizon data plan breakdown:

Data for Smartphones & Basic Phones

Data Allowance	Monthly Access	Overage

Pay As You Go (For Basic Phones Only)	$1.99/MB – Personal Email $5

75MB (For Basic Phones Only)	$10	$10/75MB

2GB	$30	$10/1GB

5GB	$50	$10/1GB

10GB	$80	$10/1GB

Does one really believe everything he sees on TV?

Unlimited.. blah blah.

Try and sue them.

EDIT:

http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?ECID=vanity:termsandconditions

Good luck.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mx499:
just post a scan of your letter, and all the tech sites will be all over it. you can also e-mail tv-news people as well. just keep sending it around, and you'll get some kind of publicity for this. this will hurt sprint more than it will hurt you. oh and btw don't give away too much information here about what and how you've been using your internet usage. since the news people will also posts those as well
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lickarock:
"Sprint reserves the right, without notice or limitation, to limit data throughput speeds or quantities or to deny, terminate, end, modify, disconnect, or suspend service if an individual engages in any of the prohibited voice or data uses detailed below or if Sprint, in its sole discretion, determines action is necessary to protect its wireless networks from harm or degradation."

That's in TOS. Quit whining. You are causing network harm.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BigRick10:
"Our data services may not be used:... (vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage)...Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses."

Also in the TOS
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lickarock:
"Examples of prohibited data uses: Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming. Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting; "..............

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Its in the Terms of Service dude. Read your contract.

Go ahead and try to sue. Sprint will laugh at you. And probably hit you with a counter suit.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
Well if their going to do it, their going to do it. They will be missing my $200 a month ****ing payment.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BigRick10:
Your 100gb a month is probably costing them more than 200 bucks. Just sayin.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
No one said anything about sueing them, you guys just start making up your own damn topics. I am just letting everyone know about the letter. I do understand they have the right to drop me if they want, and they should know i have the ****ing right to wine about it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lilotimz:
IMHO, you screw yourself over this way. They got you by you playing mw3 on their network and guess what. MW3 is mainly a console game and the way a console gets an internet connection is usually via wifi or tethering both of which means you're using your phone to either utilize the hacked hotspot feature or one of the other tethering apps.

I mean seriously...100gbs... just wow...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lickarock:
Good. Get off the network and quit trying to ruin unlimited data for the rest of us. And good luck using that much data on any other carrier with out getting buried in bills.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Respect18:
Good, then what are you waiting for?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
I am waiting for Sprint, can you not read English?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tweeker404:
He isn't ruining anything. That's what they want you to think though.

Netflix is a killer for sure if you use it daily.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] I Am Marino:
Bingo

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
Really, you must not know much about running a company or businesses, you think Sprint is going to stay unlimited forever? Keep dreaming. Verizon just got rid of it last year, and eventually Sprint will follow...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BigRick10:
Why can't people see he is violating his TOS lol. These tech blogs would laugh at someone submitting something like this lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] :
Lol 100gb damn must be streaming a lot no wonder I get no internet you used it all up.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] shazbot:
Man, I think you need to invest in an actual internet connection and leave your mobile data for lighter activities.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] :
Agreed lol who really uses a phone for that much hotspot lmao your probly one those MW3 players who cause everyone else lag because you use a cellphone for internet.... Tisk tisk
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ccline84:
Lmao... pinging over 200 and running through bullets and claymores like Neo.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
lol, but that's rarely man, it runs really smooth, i see people using dsl lagging.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nabbed:
Haha! I don't play the game, but that's exactly what I was thinking.

What a loser!

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Or a porn addict...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeremiah.rs:
Dude, you were violating the TOS. There's absolutely no need to come on here and ***** about this, if you want to use it in the way that you are, pay up for the mifi or the hotspot.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] danielddube:
i guess nabbed just gave out his secret of what his data use consists of, well there's no porno here for you man. sorry
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
I bet this guy also would blame the cops for getting a ticket after getting caught going 80 MPH through a construction zone.