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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Good point. Ill have to get back @ you on that one. Been sipping on grandpa's cough medicine(you should know what that saying means)..lol.

I'm a nice guy. I know all of this is hard for you to swallow. Ill show good sportsmanship. Just like a football or basketball game. I'm blowing you out in the score now. If I continue, it'll only make me look bad and arrogant..lol and unnecessary. I'm interested in seeing what others have to say also once they catch wind of this. Which won't take long.

But on one note, Asus products n laptops are known as the most reliable or break down the least. I remember seeing several articles n stats proving that. Can it be actually so hard to believe the issues here not so widespread as we thought? Therefore following that less than 1% failure rate. No one is perfect. We all wrong sometimes. Just cave in now, Barry. Lol. Ill accept the defeat graciously. Never too late to switch. Switch sides now n ill forget all the previous stuff you said ;)

Ah man..all this too funny. I love this forum. Including the trolls n haters.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
As SmartAs$Phone has pointed out, I wonder how Gary came up with:

CNET: You say "the normal user [Wi-Fi] experience" is not adversely impacted by the unibody design. How exactly do you define the "normal user experience"?

GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rand4ll:
I personally haven't had an issue with wifi performance. I have used it in many places including hospitals and doctors offices, a couple hotels, an airport, a Starbucks, my work, a random open network I found at my sisters apartment that was not hers and of course my own home. It is on par if not superior to my Droid charge wifi which is made by Samsung. I get full throughput from my main usage area which is my couch in my living room with the router at least 40ft away clear in the other corner of my house in my bedroom. It goes down the hall and through a door to get there, and I show two bars of signal at that distance, I haven't tried wifi analyzer to see actual db rating but haven't needed to as again I get full speed of my wan connection at home. I don't know the connection speeds of all the other places but have seen up to 18mbps on the ones I have tried. I am upgrading my home connection to 20mbps this weekend so eager to see how that works out with my wifi throughput.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] maretus:
More official confirmation? More like more of Asus misrepresenting things. A quick look at amazon and best buy would seem to throw that 1% failure rate right out the window. Not to mention this forum and all the other forums out there with pissed off prime owners. I won't believe the 1% rate unless the statistic is coming from someone other than the guy tasked with reducing the damage this device has caused to asus' reputation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rand4ll:
I am the same and hope I am not labeled as that. I just bought the best hardware based on specs. I don't even like Asus motherboards which are very popular. Asus mobo is the only one I have had ever fail ans it was an upper end model, for performance mobo I now prefer dfi and gigabyte. Shoot I have my freeNAS system running on a ****ty chaintech mobo I bought for 15 bucks that is still going and was bought over 6 years ago.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I've never doubted that for a minute. I'll add to that your intentions are always well meaning and never malicious. Whether I agree with what you say is irrelevant, your comments are always coming from a good place and that’s more important than the comments themselves.

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And that's why these discussions always end up circular. Demandarin's never had a Wi-Fi issue and his was one of the first built. Others with C1's have Wi-Fi issues. I think those that are happy have reason to be and the issues shared by those having them are legitimate.

Interesting that Gary mentioned the antennas. If you read the autopsy thread you can see how complex the connection and routing of the antennas are and how easy it is for there to be an alignment/assembly problem. People with bad Wi-Fi that opened their devices and repositioned the connectors saw huge improvement. So... The issue would appear not to be Wi-Fi in general, but how individual Prime's are assembled. And if each device comes out different that's a big issue for Asus to have to tackle.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
You aren't, and you shouldn't be since you are simply describing your experience.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Best buy..lol we had a person the other day post he worked there and warehouse is loaded with primes and selling very fast. Best buy still selling them. N I believe amazon is also. Yes, there are alot of pissed off owners. No doubt. But not as many as people thought or widespread. Polls here clearly show that.

This was a few days ago, numbers are even higher now in favor of Prime. So not as many as you may think or this would reflect it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rand4ll:
I completely agree with the circular discussions...lol...the story of the general section. And something is certainly amiss with the wide variance in user experiences, no doubt about that. I also have an early prime, a BC version I got in my hands before the new year.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
You are right. It is very strange. That's what amazes me when seeing some of peoples posts on issues or update problems. How Come I have one of first ones n never have any problems? All my posting is from prime itself. This is a strange QC issue how the Primes vary. I'd attribute some to user error also though. Seen plenty of self inflicted issues once person was interrogated enough to see what they really did or change on their tablet. Especially after they root n go messing around not really knowing what they doing.

I am interested in seeing how many primes were made n sold though. No matter how small the minority is with issues, they are commended for being the loudest on making sure they get what they paid for or what was expected. Can't be mad at anyone for that. People don't have $500 to be throwing away. This is a mini investment. People expect to use this for a good while and want it to perform as it was advertised to them. It is for me. For others with issues or GPS not working, fully understand the big deal over it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Take it all in stride

I think the Prime is awesome. I wish launch had gone a WHOLE lot better than it did, and i wish GPS could be fixed, ahh perchance to dream. Just remember - all of the rave reviews and hype that sent everyone to the Pre-order pages were "Official Tech Sites" too. And highly respected ones, such as Anandtech, actually FORGOT to test GPS.

So once again, it nice to hear these good things for Asus, but one perspective is just that, one perspective. I wonder why I was told by several retailers that they got "too many returns" and thats why they are currently not stocking the Prime. Is less than 1% enough to do that?

Strive for an open mind, even if you have strong feelings on a subject. You won't always succeed, but

strive

for an open mind. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] maretus:
They are selling a lot of primes, OK. That doesn't change the fact that 1/4th of bestbuy reviewers online gave the product 1 star. I dont know amazons exact figures but there are quite a few 1 stars there as well. Kind of blows a hole in that 1% failure rate. Considering that the majority of electronic retailers don't keep margins that low and that the prime has way more angry buyers than similar products, I'd say garys figure is completely inaccurate. Which is deceitful and speaks volumes about how Asus is handling this situation. With lies instead of honesty.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Keep in mind one of two things happened for that article to even exist. 1) C-Net hearing of issues contacted Gary for commentary, or 2) Gary contacted C-Net to ask for a forum to publically address the issues. For either to have occurred means something's amiss as you don't routinely see published stories of manufacturers spontaneously defending themselves where it isn't warranted. In other words, "where there's smoke, there's fire." ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
For one, everyone knows most of those Amazon 1 stars came from xda users during that whole unlock bootloader campaign. Several threads on it. People not even owning device giving it one star. Even people made threads telling people here to stop rating it so low based on only fact bootloader is not unlocked yet.

Plus the how deceitful/lies talk is b.s. unless you in a position to show hard facts to prove Gary otherwise or CNet otherwise, your statement is just an emotional opinion/rant. Tons of retailers still selling prime. And most still selling out as soon as they come in stock. Your one star amazon review or whatever doesn't prove your claim. Obviously still selling well or alot based on all the new users or prime owners we seeing joining tthis section constantly. Until someone shows an "OFFICIAL" ststisitc otherwise, all you doing is assuming. If cnet can easily see how its real, so will others. As much as you might want it to be a massive defective rate, its not. And was proven by this interview. Sorry buddy..lol

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Doesn't matter either way. He addressed the issues head on. Then he gave real world statistics. Plus he put rumors to rest. People can speculate all they want but playing Devils Advocate won't change the facts that were stated in the interview. Especially when no one else has official facts to dispute Gary's claim ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I want to buy a prime, i probably will in the next few weeks. However, there is really NO excuse to not switch to a partial plastic backplate, especially when they have appartently already tooled for it for the tf700. No reason at all, the cost is minimal. If the aluminum backplate is indeed the issue as they indicate and they expect the problem to be fixed in the tf700, this is an incredibly easy fix that could silence naysaying of the primes performance, but they are choosing not to. I think some people are a little too "suppprtive" of how this was handled. Its not a disaster, but they have an easy out and apparently are not using it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] trent99:
Go ahead and put it in perspective; I will go ahead and put it back on the best buy shelf.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Lmfao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
They tried to "put rumors to rest" too. Right up until they couldn't. Let's check back in a couple of weeks and see where we are. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Lol good one. We will see. N don't disappear all of a sudden either. Ill come to Samsung forum looking for you ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It's dead there. This forum's much more fun and has cooler people.

Here's a joke, what do Bill Clinton and Gary have in common? They both redefine terms...

Bill Clinton - "I did not have sex with that woman." He redefined the definition of sex to suit his defense.

Gary - "My device has a 1% failure rate." - He redefined the definition of failure to suit his defense.

I have no idea whether it's true or not (Gary, not Clinton) but the parallels struck me funny after I posted the pic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
What everyone is overlooking is that the glass is just too BIG!

The Prime simply does not do everything it is supposed to do. No matter if you do or do not use, like, need or just want, all the advertised features, they should work and they all don't. It does not do all that it is supposed to do. That is it in a nutshell plain, pure and simple! Argue, disagree, and claim you are happy with what it does do if you want. It simply does not perform as promised.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chivas228:
I don't want to quote boobs mom a wireless connection works great. But as you can see the voice recognition software needs improving. Lol. O I have a bb build prime without ever having wifi issues (which is what I was trying to say in my first sentence.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

The "Putting the Transformer Prime in perspective" is an interesting read... but I kinda wished the writer included more than that of "Judging from Gary's insight, my own experience, and CNET's user reviews." "My goal for this blog was to determine the facts of the Prime's reported issues and relay those facts to as many people as possible."

He should have gone through the major retailers of the prime and gotten some data to prove the 1% return/failure rate. This would at least verify if Asus is telling the truth or moving numbers around to get to 1%. Even the poll demandarin has on this thread doesnt fit the 1% of Gary's, and this is just the XDA members assuming the 209 on the poll are the ones with no problems and the rest will fall in there is a problem. 209 x .01 = 2.09 people would be the 1%. Its great he got Gary's side of the story and lets even say the writer's side of the story, but to every story there is 3 sides. So the question is where is the 3rd side of the story. Thats the one I want to see. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Erusman:
ROTFL!!! Man this is good. Going to have to print that picture out and look at it whenever I need a laugh.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Finally! All my letters to cnet is finally paying off.

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lol..I had to laugh at this. Tomorrow I'm going to try and return my free Prime and dock...lol. I need Bluetooth and Wifi to work at the same time.

Exactly.

Does anyone want to trade a working(GPS) brand new Prime with BT/WiFi problems for a Prime with good BT/WiFi range/working at the same time?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Walter00:
Hope for a nice exchange action with the 700. Would change my Prime instantly. No GPS, WIFI isues, force close of Programs.

When I charge my Prime I feel a little voltage on the cover. Dock and Tablet. Turning the charger does help. Weird!

Anyone else feeling this on the cover?

Gr. Walter

Verstuurd van mijn Transformer Prime TF201 met Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rand4ll:
Yeah, it's due to how it's grounded and nothing to worry about, even my wife's macbook pro does it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Walter00:
Ok thanks, the Prime is not what i expected it would be.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Danny-B-:
There were enough reports of it for me to know it deffo was an issue with that batch, not sure how many were returned but it would have been a fair few.

Someone did say that it might be the tablet that was causing the dock problem, not the dock itself, so returning the dock wouldnt be a fix anyway. Who knows, all i know is i want a decent one ! :)

Your completely missing my point ... Pre-orders are just what they say. If you pre-order something it should mean that the manufacturer will know how many to produce to meet the pre-orders ...

In the UK we didnt see a single champagne model untill way after the release date of 12/01 .. which is ****! thats not being unprepared for the demand, thats a bad launch.

I still want a prime, love the design of it etc etc ... but i'm so frustraited with the lack of supply, and near radio silence on the issue from ASUS UK.

We could use a UK "Gary" on the forums too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] undercover:
You lot are funny (believers). This is "you are holding the phone in the wrong way" all over again.

Sent throught the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Eddie Hicks:
How many are just not complaining to ASUS

I can't dispute the stated below 1% failure rate according to Gary. Accurate or not that figure I assume comes from the number of people reporting problems. I understand that a lot of people with problems with a device will go to forums for assistance and/or to vent. So sometimes it may appear the problems are more wide spread than they are. That being said, I have never seen so many people on so many different forums with issues with the same device. It's not even close. Maybe less then 1% reported problems but I bet there are significantly more who either didn't report it to ASUS or don't realize there are issues with their tablets. I have seen many, many post where owners say "yea my GPS does not work, my wifi range is weak but I love my Prime and I'm OK with it". How many people never use their Prime far enough from a router to realize their wifi range is not that great, like maybe people in small 1 story homes? For how many people is the Prime their first wifi device and they are not aware that the wifi range should be better? All of those mentioned won't complain either because they are happy even knowing the defects or they do not realize they have a problem. If they all did complain I'm sure that below 1% failure rate would be higher. And keep in mind that many people including myself went through several bad Primes.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wifesabitch:
You know a product is a success when the major complaint (GPS doesn't work) is the most useless aspect of it. Even if it did work, no one would use it, people just like to complain.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Dagrog:
The LAST Asus product I'll ever buy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] r_simoes:
my perspective

I enjoyed reading through this thread so far. Here's something for perspective: if ipads had exhibited the kind of problems we have seen with the TP, apple would now be bankrupt. Nobody in their right mind dishes out 600€ for a tablet that randomly reboots, freezes, has below par wi-fi performance, or some of the other "features" of the TP. It appears to me that android users go out of their way to create excuses for their tablets! I've been avidly reading forums on the TP since I got mine (and immediately started having some of those problems), and clearly there are many users who had *no* problems at all, but it is even more clear there is a huge number of devices with problems. Reading idiotic comments like "people are complaining just for complaining" does not help. If you have issues in your device, you are likely to voice them.

Crap like the TP undermines android credibility (I continue to refuse to switch to apple products, but I see a LOT of friends and colleagues with them and their level of hw/sw "issues" is on a whole different level from those of android).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
You're kidding right? It's one MOST people would use a lot, and I say this with both our trucks having built in Nav systems.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Uberchu:
iPhone 4 antenna anyone?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
This is so much like other "Want-to-Be's" I've come across in life. Usually if someone has to tell how great they are and all the wonderful things they have, you end up finding out they are usually much less than they pretend.

The Prime tablet, along with a certain obvious unnamed fanboy who keeps appearing in every thread to defend Asus and the Prime certainly come to mind!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wifesabitch:
haha, exactly. Everyone has a handheld GPS, onboard GPS on their cars or GPS on their phone but they just HAVE to have GPS on a 10" tablet because there is a point to that. haha

People are just bored and need something to complain about.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
You're describing every manufacturer advertising their products. Cutting cost on production wherever they can, using only the cheapest stuff they can get while selling everything as premium and shiny at a huge profit. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Do you honestly believe the problems fall in to the same category? The iP4 antenna issue only occured when held in a specific and awkward position. Same thing for the HTC Sensation Wi-Fi-gate issue where the signal would drop if held a certain way in landscape mode. I'd put the Prime in the same category as the LG G2X/O2X wherein many of them had a combination of h/w and s/w problems that affected everyday use in a high number of units. It too is subject to a class action lawsuit on similar grounds to the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Eddie Hicks:
I personally do not care about GPS on my tablet since like you said I do not use it. But there are others that do. If it's advertised as a feature as it originally was, it should work. The the GPS problem may be the most obvious but certainly not the only major issue. There are several other issues just as problematic such as the weak wifi range. How many products do you buy that you say I do not care if they do not work as advertised? If people just roll over and do not make a stink when something is not right there is no incentive for manufacturers to make quality products.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
Until the TF700 is released......
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSaD6Lu9IOA&feature=related​
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
I use tablet for GPS because:

- it has the biggest screen,

- it has the greatest battery life,

- the maps are updated automatically and much faster than on dedicated GPS devices.

I also have a handheld GPS but I don't use it anymore, since I got TF101. My phone too has GPS but it's screen is very small and battery life is bad.

Why does battery life matters? Because I use GPS not only for navigating in a car - I use it to track my (on foot) routes to tag photos for example.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I get that. But from the moment ASUS stopped advertising the product for GSP it should have been clear, this product wont be optimal for gps tracking.

If you want a Tablet, mainly for GPS tracking. Dont buy the ATP. I think thats just simple logic^^ Still there are many people on this forum that have no issues with GPS when outside. When i bought my DesireHD GPS was not working at all - it was worse than my Prime is now. A simple radio update changed that.

Ah i should just stop reading this forum and just enjoy my amazing tablet... I feel like there are not many people left that base their opinion on logic these days. They should watch more Spock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Just like a certain unamed person who supposedly been got rid of his prime for a wack outdated Lenovo tab, yet still trolls Prime section. Lol.

Thats a "want to be" prime owner again.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slybarman:
I would say CNET is less-than-objective in its reporting. They failed to note any deficiencies the Prime when they reviewed it before its launch and this article feels like PR/fluff. My $.02.