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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
Quite honestly, that was the whole point I bought this phone.

On my SGS I rooted it. And the only reason I did was to remove all the bloatware that came from my carrier. No other modifications done and I was still running the stock rom.

So for me, the nexus, on paper, is the best device out there... no bloatware allowed on the phone, so no root required, at least for me.

I know I could do the update myself. However you are missing the entire point of the post.

Would it make sense for me to do it myself? Sure, but I shouldn't have to.

Thank you for your post regardless.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanprudent:
True in that retrospect no we shouldn't have , if this phone is google's "baby" then surely it should be the most up to date until the next nexus. I see what your saying, very valid.

J
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
You know what really makes me laugh? People like you that speak matter of factly about things like you are in the know.

You laugh at me for hoping Google reads this.

Neither I, nor anyone registered to this site knows if Google reads this or not. Do you? Do you have an inside track? So really what are you laughing at?

Its just as plausible that Google reads forums like these, because it concerns their product, just as much as it's plausible they don't.

Plain and simple.

So instead of trying to make people feel small to boost your own ego, maybe you should consider that.

As for the rest of the posts, there are many users that I respect in this thread for their ability to remain impartial to whats going on...

Others? hmm... only way to say it is, just because you did something doesn't mean everyone has to follow you, and doesn't make the other persons way of thinking wrong.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
Apparently there's still a big misconception that the CDMA version is no longer supported.

Just so you know, that's not true.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MilkPudding:
1) You ARE receiving updates from Google. Hello sir, where have you been? Just because people make custom ROMs doesn't mean Google is not updating. Heard of OTAs?

2) You do know that hardware and software can't be separated right? Not to mention that most of the people won't even know if a problem is hardware/software related when they see it.

3) Update doesn't mean better. An update may be pushed out for certain builds to fix bugs that are only SPECIFIC to certain regions.

4) Coz they are not ready for OTAs. Simple as that. Google/Samsung didn't hide updates from you for fun :rolleyes: Imagine pushing out ROMs that may potentially brick your phone... Custom ROMs developers are not responsible for any damage done to your phone, but Google and Samsung are.

5) Ya fragmentation - we should all wear the same clothes, eat the same food, have same haircut, use the same phone.

The idea here is not to eliminate choices but making the process simple and smooth. Stop abusing the word fragmentation.

PS. I think some people get caught up with flashing custom ROMs/latest possible updates and forgot to actually USE the phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
Whats with all the "I'm better than you are" Stances???

Where have I been? lol. Why? Have you missed me?

It is a known, lets call it fact, that yakju phones are updated straight from Google, and the other updates are provided by Samsung. I never once spoke of a custom rom did I?

Hardware and software can't be separated? Hmm.. got me there... SURE THEY CAN. If you can load radios and language packs on to your phone, then thats precisely what I'm speaking of.

Further, while I agree with you that update does not always mean better, there is a perceived view of that....

At any rate... I've said my peace, and I believe I've made my point.

Keep hammering at me if you all wish, that is, if it makes you sleep better.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
I'm laughing at any time when forum members think their discussion on 3rd party websites make changes to first party content. Google has their own discussion forums. The AOSP group does as well. There are dozens of Android development forums, and hundreds of other discussion forums. Each forum has dozens to hundreds of device-specific boards. I'm sorry that your ego is so blown up that you think we're that important. We're not. Sorry. This isn't life-or-death.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
I don't believe that anyone knows if the other updates are provided by Samsung. All we know is that updates for yakju AND all other builds are ALL pushed out from Google's servers.

As I said before, the delay is not because it is Samsung, it is because, I believe, the generic code needs modification.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
Thank you efrant... yes.. thats why I said, "lets call it fact". lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Silly Canadian, OTAs are for wusses. Flash aokp and profit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
I never did say we were that important.

However, if you go to any android website, XDA is the one referenced the most. So I'd like to say that IF Google were to read external user forums, they would come here first. Market Research firms "Beat the Street" so to speak... Its not far fetched to say a tech company wouldn't do the same.

So I can't say they do, and you can't say they don't... enough said.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
I can agree with that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joshnichols189:
OP, I respect your opinion but.

90% of the people that own a Galaxy Nexus don't come to XDA. They also don't give a **** about who updates their phone, if they even know who does it at all.

It doesn't matter who does your updates, they are ALL STOCK. Why does it matter if Google's computer builds the update, or Samsung's? They are all the same. 4.0.2 is the same on yakju as it is on yakjuux or yakjuuw. 4.0.2 is 4.0.2. Why it lags for some people and not others is beyond me, but they are the same thing. Maybe that's why 4.0.2 isn't being rolled out.

People don't understand that updates are rolled out in batches. My friend is on Yakju, completely bone stock. He hasn't rooted or unlocked his bootloader. He just got the volume fix TWO WEEKS AGO. Did he care? No, because he is one of the 90% of people that have absolutely no idea that two different companies build the same firmware for this phone. He also realizes that not everyone receives an update at exactly the same time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zeekiz:
^

Or most users don't spend all their free time crying on XDA about how they're being hurt by Samsung and Google. How the Galaxy Nexus is the worst phone ever etc.

Most users just get along and enjoy their devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
With all do respect.. No one is crying, or complaining about how they've been hurt by Samsung or Google. Far from it. And I never said the nexus was the worst phone ever.... that is, if you're directing those comments to me.

I'm just questioning their thought process. And last time I checked, thats what debate is about. If you feel having an opposing opinion to yours or the more popular is crying, then I guess you know a lot of crybabies.

Everyone is titled to their own opinion... I guess you have yours.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
Good points... all valid... I guess seeing as this is my first Nexus experience, I didn't think there was such a time span (a month for Canadian users) between rolling out updates to all.

Guess I didn't read enough.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ridel:
I agree totally with the OP. One of the main reasons why I bought a Nexus is because I was under the impression that Google updated this phone directly. The whole "stock experience" meant that Google was in control of everything software.

What I did not want was to be stuck waiting for carriers or phone manufacturers to decide when I get an OS upgrade. I have experienced this with RIM and did not want it to happen again. I hate waiting for software updates from carriers. They will neglect older phones, they will delay, and they will outright ignore the latest patches at their whim.

Finally, I did not want to go 'dev' (I use the term loosely, and apologize to actual devs. I'm well aware of the difference) on the phone. So no root. No flashing of anything initiated by me.

However, it appears that I was wrong. And that some Google Nexus phones are not the same as others. It's the usual carrier/manufacturer bull**** all over again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kalavere:
I'm sorry you're disappointed, I didn't expect anything special from a Nexus phone as I literally root them the minute I get them home. But I can see your point. However, rooting and custom ROMs are definitely the best way to experience Android in my opinion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rubiconjp:
Sure about that? I thought that JBQ couldn't say one way or another?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
You didn't want to rely on a carrier, yet you bought your phone subsidized from a carrier?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alas1986:
he doesn't need to unlock boot loader to get to yakju, read my thread. He will need to unlock it if he wants to flash radio etc etc
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
That's because JBQ doesn't build the hardware... :)

Of course I can't be 100% sure -- I don't have official specs, and I have never taken one of each apart. But I can tell you that I have seen three GN's shipped with three different builds (yakju, yakjuux and yakjuxw), and I could find anything different, and they each ran yakju exactly the same.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then...

---------- Post added at 02:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:28 PM ----------

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22633395&postcount=29

And besides, having this discussion over and over again is pointless. If you unlock your bootloader and relock it, there is no difference between that and using odin. No one can tell the difference.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
The bootloader has to be unlocked to perform the fastboot actions required to flash to yakju.

This argument is done and has nothing to do with this thread anymore.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] josteink:
You can flash things with odin without ever unlocking the bootloader. No need for Fastboot.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22633395&postcount=29

I'll just reiterate with efrant said. Whether you manually do it or let odin do it, the bootloader is being unlocked and relocked to flash.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tigajr:
You are right. I can not stand this argument anymore. We are talking about Google!

Google Inc's video website alone is streaming 4 billion online videos every day!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aspot72:
Guys, totally agree with OP. I would agree with 2 "fragments" of Nexus : GSM & CDMA. But why the hell there have to be yakju,yakjuwz etc crap??!!

Samsung forgeting that they are "only" HW maker (and using a lot of plastic crap) and Google is responsible for the rest( or Google silently agree with this)?

Anyway, that's my $0.02
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vetvito:
I think you guys have forgotten that these are dev phones. Whenever source drops, go get it and build it.

Another thing, Microsoft can do simple updates because their updates happen with cords. Google is OTA.

My .02.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Its pretty much just regional radios that improve performance in their respective areas.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] android01:
My first google experience was a HTC dream, it would reboot if you called 911. ROgers had to do a software recall, they did it 5 months after the problem was discovered.

Next was the nexus one, i had to import it from another country and enter all my carrier information manually into the APNS just to get it to connect.

Buddy,

its a regional build ident , and you are in canada expecting an american company to service you the same way as americans.

You lucky you get any updates at all.

Personally im running 4.0.3 and i couldnt be happier, Know who is responsible for my updates?

Me.

I dont expect nvidia to send me push notifications of my video drivers on my g74 so whats all the hate about? ANd google dont read **** guy, they dont care. They want ad clicks. THey didnt make the nexus 3 , samsung did.

Be canadian, getter done.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aspot72:
thats ok, but my point is, if its dev phone why Samsung is involved with updates? IMO it should be under Googles management, being it regional or not...:cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jrmacarthur:
I'm here to side with OP. I got my GNex last Friday.

I went with the Nex over the SII because of the snappy OTA updates from google. I was quite disappointed when I powered it up, saw version 4.0.1 and no updates available. Then I did the reading and discovered Canadians were once again left behind.

So I ended up flashing AOKP and am quite happy with how snappy and smooth it was (apparently battery life is better too, but I didn't have it on stock long enough to do any testing on this).

It's pretty sad that to get a decent phone you need to install an unauthorized rom on it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _Dennis_:
here is what I am hearing. Rolling updates suck and I'm mad cause my batch is not first. What would I hear if the update caused issues? Rolling updates suck and I'm mad cause I was first.

The builds are to help with regional differences. The updates come from Google when they are the software, Samsung when they are drivers or radios, and carrier when they include carrier programs (Verizon).

This is how I understand it and I have not seen anything official to support your theory over mine. If I am wrong point me to the press release or other evidence .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zapek666:
Any evidence to back this up?

GSM is GSM. If you get a GSM phone, it's supposed to work in any part of the world that implements GSM.

I flashed from yakjusomething to yakju and noticed no changes whatsoever. If there's any change (other than the version string), what are they?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] masully84:
Typical useless thread
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotrock11:
I agree...just flash and keep it moving.

Life ain't fair
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Do a diff before saying there is no change other than version string. Don't assume.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greeced:
Love how people believe saying "typical useless thread" isn't useless in itself.

Got to love when people have nothing constructive to say, but would rather boost their egos by adding derogatory comments.

Hope you feel bigger now Mikey.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bilalakhtar:
Same crap over again...

I agree with the OP here.

I'm a Virgin Mobile Canada user (which is owned by Bell, so it's kinda the same thing), bought the GNex on launch day, and I got the volume fix in late December. Stuck at it since then.

As it appears, I'm on yakjuux like most other people here, and though I can just yakju my phone, I won't do it. Why did I buy a nexus phone in the first place? To get updates straight from Google and no OEM skinning.

The reason why I won't just flash Yakju is because I'm not sure if it'd fix the problem. From what I've heard, Google/Samsung are rolling out updates based on IMEI numbers. So if your IMEI belongs to a Canadian carrier, then you're stuck for now, as it appears.

Sure, you can slap Yakju 4.0.2, but that's like manually fixing a problem only for the time being. When they start rolling out 4.0.3, for example, even Yakju users would have to wait as much as they'd have to if they were on their older build, because Google won't give you the OTA unless it has ticked your IMEI.

I'm not sure about this, but I guess this is the case, and it sucks.

O Canada!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
The full yakju ICL53F images were available here before the OTA updates to ICL53F started rolling out to yakju users...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] imnuts:
But I love making an ass out of you and me :rolleyes: :D

Also, weren't their regional versions of the Nexus S? I thought I read that somewhere, just that no one realized it or cared.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mikeh36:
I'm going to take a guess and say you're wrong on the IMEI theory. I purchase my GN at the beginning of January and seeing as I had to root it anyways to restore my backups I went the full distance and put the 4.0.1 version of Yakju on it (for kicks and tricks). As soon as the phone booted and I went through the setup it notified me that there was an update (4.0.2).

To all those saying it's a developers phone or a regional thing etc, etc, etc. It's not advertised as a developers phone and a lot of non-developers are purchasing it. My daughter bought it the day it came out and switched from a Windows phone but has no idea how to root it. Why? Because she likes the Android operating system and has heard me complaining for the last two years over my previous Android phones not getting updated. My co-worker bought his for the same reason a couple of weeks ago.

Regional reasons don't make sense either as the original Nexus and the Nexus S are updated straight from Google and not from HTC or Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Waveblade:
Are people really going to complain about .01 updates that probably introduce little to no changes as seen by the end user.

I think people need to relax and know that they'll get their releases fairly quickly. I mean if they can't even find the differences between the builds, how can they complain?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _Dennis_:
I owned a Nexus 1. It was US only, not only that but there were 2 versions with different radios. Regional differences are present. Think about it even within GSM standards there are differences in what each country does 'normally'. Will an international phone work? Yes but does that mean it is optimized? You may not notice a difference until you try to call 911 in the us and the police can't track phones location or something similar.

How do people know that the phones are updated by the company they think? What other then the 4.0.2 update has been pushed? How do they know that the 4.0.2 update wasn't pulled for 'new' phones (phones not in original push or in original push group)? This could be because of a rare bug, a issue with the push server, or even that Google or Samsung believe the update provides little to no value and the next update is soon so why continue to push it more?

Can we just ask Google? Send an email to support asking why your phone (include meid, ieid, build etc.) has not received an update?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ched2k:
If you're angry because of the market segmentation and you live in Canada, how about people in Colombia or South America? believe me, it's frustrating.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] outcastrc:
I picked up the Nexus to get away from the awful update practices of Samsung that I put up with on the Captivate. It wasn't the rare updates that I found most frustrating, but more the problems that came from them and how Samsung would not do anything to fix them. I was resorted to finding fixes on-line for the next 6 months. 2 updates later the phone was dropped...

So a week into the Nexus, I found out that the updates were through Samsung again. Not only that but that again we were left way behind Google's OTA updates. I was furious. :mad: I flipped to yakju, and promptly received 4.0.2. Just hope that it was a good long term decision.

Just like the no carrier branding everyone talks about? My phone has branding on the notification bar and the lock screen. Not impressed!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _Dennis_:
Lol this made me laugh. That sir IS NOT BRANDING. That is telling you which carrier network you are CURRENTLY on. This makes it so you know what you are being charged. If you were say with AT&T and it said T-Mobile you would be on roaming.

Wow....just wow.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] outcastrc:
And how many people would know that? Not once have I ever read an article, thread or any such thing that stated such...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] josteink:
Every single cellphone with an display capable of displaying letters have had this feature. it's basically part of the cellar spec.

Seriously. This is not a secret. Thus is how things have always worked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joshnichols189:
I don't know how many times this dead horse has been beaten but I guess it isn't stopping. Who the **** cares if a Samsung computer compiles ICS for you or a Google computer? I do not understand why people can't grasp the fact that an OTA update is rolled out in BATCHES. My friend has a yakju device. He received the volume fix THREE WEEKS AGO. His phone updated through Google servers got the volume fix AFTER some people that receive updates from SAMSUNG servers. How does that sound? He doesn't root or rom his phones and personally he doesn't give a **** who updates his phone. You know why? Because 4.0.2 from Google and 4.0.2 from Samsung ARE THE SAME THING. Updates aren't all pushed at the same exact time they are rolled out as a means of damage control. That is why not every nexus S received 4.0.3 before it was pulled.

People on XDA think they are the majority when they aren't. My friend who has a stock yakju who could give two ****s about updates from two different computers is among the majority. 99% of people that own a Nexus don't even know who their updates come from and you know what? They don't care.

You shouldn't have to put yakju on your phone and that is your opinion but putting yakju on your phone does a hell of a lot more than *****ing on XDA thinking Google gives a ****.

4.0.2 sucks anyways. 4.0.3 is where it's at.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joshnichols189:
Why do you think the radio names are written with unique country identifiers?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
4.0.4 is really where its at!

unless thats only for the vzw nexus...(mine)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joshnichols189:
I think it was supposed to be CDMA only ;)
[General Questions and Answers] beanboy89:
I have both a Nexus One and a Kindle Fire. Both devices use Micro USB for charging and I'm currently using the wall chargers that have come with each respective device. The Nexus One's charger has an output of 5V, 1.0A. The Kindle Fire's charger has an output of 5V, 1.8A. Is it safe to mix and match these device's chargers? The higher current rating of the Kindle Fire's charger won't kill the Nexus One, will it? Furthermore, I've been looking into a single charger that will be able to charge both devices. I've been looking into a charger that has a 5V, 2.0A output. Will this charger be safe for both devices?

Thanks.
[General Questions and Answers] adelmundo:
I have used my HP Touchpad's charger which is 5V 2A output on my phone and it charges it just fine without damaging it. I think the phones regulate the charge going into them and it doesn't actually take in the full 2A.
[General Questions and Answers] ksrao_iete:
Being an Electronics Engineer i can confirm, It is safe to use, . the current consumption within the amp ratings (max it can supply) of charger is the basic funda.and you can connect if you have 10A rating charger too..but remember the voltage should be 5V only. its must
[General Questions and Answers] jr71x:
I concur, don't wanna let the magic blue smoke out:-o

P.S. get a wall charger, they're grrreat!
[General Questions and Answers] beanboy89:
Thanks everybody!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rootlicious:
Also relock bootloader to normal? I'm on cm7.1 with clockwork and amonra recoveries. I also have an evo 4g of course. Anyone know how? My wifi always disconnects with 2.3.5 every 5 minutes.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rootlicious:
Need help with this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Notorious:
run the latest 4.67 RUU then follow this guide http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark!-)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rootlicious:
That guide's for 2.2 and I don't know if I can use an official update to 2.3.3 (not a rom)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Notorious:
you downgrade to 2.2 then you RUU back to 2.3.3. I know because I've done it to my phone twice for fun
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rootlicious:
How do I run an ruu lol.