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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Even though we haven't heard a lot about it, the HTC Vertex (formerly Quattro) may be the next quad-core released. March-ish is the rumor. HTC's holding a press conference on the 27th at MWC to announced a bunch of devices. I had a Jetstream for a while and it was incredibly well built. Sense and all of its widgets were pretty cool in tablet form too.

HTC to focus on quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in 2012

Daniel Shen, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Monday 21 November 2011]

HTC will focus on the production of quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in the first half of 2012 competing with comparable devices to be released by rivals including Asustek Computer, Acer, Samsung Electronics and Lenovo, according to industry sources.

Competition for the quad-core chip segment among Qualcomm, Nvidia and Texas Instruments is heating up competition in the quad-core device sector, the sources noted.

While Asustek will spearhead the production of quad-core tablet PCs in December 2011, HTC will be a strong contender in the segment by releasing its first quad-core tablet, the HTC Quattro, in March 2012 at the earliest, the sources revealed.

The 10.1-inch Quattro will be powered a Nvidia Tegra 3 CPU and supports HTC Scribe, Beats audio, 3.5G/Wi-Fi, and HTC and Dropbox cloud services, according to smartphone blog pocketnow.com.

The pocketnow.com website also noted that the initial Nvidia quad-core lineups will also include the HTC Edge smartphone. The Edge will be also powered by an Nvidia 1.5GHz Tegra 3 CPU and come with a 4.7-inch display, 8-megapixel camera and 32GB memory, and supports HTC Sense 4.0 interface, HTC Watch, HTC Listen, HTC Read and HTC Play, stated a post on the pocketnow.com website.

HTC is also developing another quad-core smartphone, the HTC Zeta, which will be powered by a Qualcomm 2.5GHz CPU and equipped with a 4.5-inch display, 8-megapixel camera as well as Beats, HTC Sense 4.0 and complete cloud content, according to technology site engadget.

Editor's note: This article has been updated to properly attribute the information sources.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
Samsung does the actual manufacturing, but the phone is designed with input from Google. There's an official video from Google on Youtube that talks about this process.

More importantly -- and you touched on this issue -- the software and updates are done by Google, and they seem to do this very competently, unlike Asus (see their .13 update that screwed up a bunch of Primes, mine included).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Technically the A5xx series has 1280x800 and the A7xx has 1920x1200. I was at CES and played with the A510 and it was a very nice and smooth device. Not as sleek looking as the Prime but it has a plastic back so it has a high chance of having better wifi, gps. Possibly not have any wifi+BT issue either (my acer a100 doesnt seem to have it). Also has micro usb/charger port in 1. So no need for proprietary Asus usb cable. I'm not sure what to call the charging connector though cause it looks like a micro usb but has a slight tab on the center. It's not MHL for sure. I forgot though if it had a full USB on the side. Need to check the rest of my pictures on my phone.

So for anyone not really into using a kb dock then this is a very competitive device against the Prime. As far as rear camera goes I'm not sure everyone uses it or at least I don't care for it as I have my phone camera thats easier to hold for taking pictures. So having one in the 1st place is just a plus. Posted some pics here.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1451699
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
its the truth..lol wasn't even comparing it to prime. Justba fact of technology. he made it seem google nexus is flawless, which its not. so I made my point already ;) I didn't even mention prime so stop assuming. makes an ass of u and me. Ass U me lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It appears it won't matter soon... ;)

"This item is no longer in our assortment" is the translation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
this is a restatement of what i said.

i think this judgment is premature. google shipped the GSM galaxy nexus with a volume bug that pissed off a lot of users and got a lot of press. they followed up in a few weeks with a fix.

asus shipped the first version of ICS with a video driver bug that pissed off a lot of users and got a lot of press (and was almost certainly nvidia's fault, by the way). they followed up in a few weeks with a fix.

ok, the new fix is causing battery drain issues for a minority of users, and asus has ALREADY confirmed that they have a fix and that it will hit later this week or early next week (see gary key's post from today). one data point a trend does not make. in fact, they have a much longer track record we can look to with their updates to the tf101, and the general feedback from that community on updates has been very positive.

i'm definitely not an asus fanboi, go read the gobot thread that got flamed into oblivion if you don't believe me. asus produces cheap knockoffs of other people's innovations and have ****ed up the production of the tf201 in almost every conceivable way. but on the software side they are actually the closest thing we have right now to a nexus tablet. their modifications to stock AOSP are absolutely minimal and they push out updates faster than any other current tablet maker. we even got ICS before the motorola xoom, which is a "google experience" device. that's ridonkulous.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The volume bug was caused by interference on the 2G 900MHz frequency which is used in rural areas in Europe and not at all in the U.S. It was fixed in 72 hours. While it shouldn't have happened, you can see why, because it's a rarely used frequency, it could have been missed in testing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
oh boy, here we go again having what could have been a normal discussion ping ponging between the fanboys (demandarin) and the haters (barry)...

since you've made an inaccurate claim i guess i need to provide facts for balance. the volume bug was identified at least as early as 11/18, and i believe the first real discussion was here on xda:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1353072

the issue generated significant press as early as 11/22:

http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/22/...alaxy-nexus-shipments-after-confirming-volume

and a fix started rolling out on 11/30:

http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-nexus-ota-update-now-rolling-out-volume-bug-fix

so at least 12 days from when people had the product in their hands and well over a week from when it generated press, both of which are a lot more than 72 hours.

can we get back on topic now? PRIME ALTERNATIVES...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
I wouldn't count on it just yet. Catastrophic product releases can be successful, just look at Windows 95 ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
This is going to be odd considering majority of my "thank you" have been for criticizing or being sarcastic towards demandrin.. however, I have to defend him in this case.

Now.. granted, majority of my disagreement or perhaps even misunderstanding with him as been on GPS. Rather that be devs or s/w can't do anything when it comes to hardware failure, or perhaps.. to my understanding of him recommending Prime to those who want "working" GPS based on his assumption (or whatever he learned from Gary) that GPS in PRIME will be passable (i guess you have to define passable.. think he and I disagreed in this aspect as well) in the future.

Based on current state & finding.. I doubt even he will continue to recommend Prime to those who want working GPS. Better yet, Demandrin himself has pointed out that Asus must act in some form to rectify the situation.

Anyways, for all the negativity & bickering between Demandrin and I.. I should at least credit him for:

1.) stirring the pot, putting the flame to find issues with POGO pins (not his idea, nor his initial finding but he did create the flame)..

2.) his opinion on Prime overall & being being vocal about his positive experience with Prime

While Prime has many issues, the device in itself as a "whole" is still a good device. If there are negative reviews, I do see the need for "positive" reviews as well... and we're all entitled to speak our mind & be vocal as much as want. Stories for both must be heard in every case.... I don't see any reason for ANYONE to be "stopped" or be "heard".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Interesting.. thanks for clearing that up for me. Either way.. this are possible alternatives that are in the near FUTURE for everyone...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
You missed the bigger point. You were trying to put the GN issue in the same category as the numerous issues the Prime's facing. The GN bug was obscure and, based on the frequency the issue was triggered by, impacted a miniscule percentage of users (none of which are in the U.S). It also affected every device equally and was identified and resolved quickly. All s/w has bugs and issues; especially first releases. But all bugs/issues aren’t the same. They should be judged based on how easily they should have been caught, what functions they affect, and how many users were/are affected. All bugs/issues are the result of inadequate pre-release testing.

But, back to the original topic.

The Acer A700's apparently going to be 549/749 (16GB/64GB) Euro when it's released. Compared to the G-Tab 16GB at 406 Euro that's some pretty lofty pricing.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/01/25/acers-quad-core-iconia-tab-a700-priced-at-e549/

The 510 which is the same but without the HD display is going on sale in France in March for 399 Euro. A U.S. release could follow fairly closely but it hasn't been through the FCC yet so it's not imminent. Maybe the timing will be announced officially at MWC in two weeks.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/02/...ill-be-available-in-europe-in-march-for-e399/

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But then there was ME. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nattylite:
Tablet hierarchy

Even though the Prime has problems and came out, I have a feeling the 2nd gen android tablets will be very similar to the 1st gen tablets. In that, the hierarchy will remain in fact in terms of quality and design.

Acer will a little fat and ugly (IMHO), Samsung will be thin and very sleek, Asus will be versatile (transformer) with the dock, and Motorola will be outdated (dual core LOL). Lenovo will also enter the quad core fray. But it comes down the user, those like me who bought the OG Transformer b/c of the dock will likely stick with Asus while those who want a iPad 3 alternate will get the Samsung. But like the first gen, I think Samsung and Asus will come out on top competing with the iPad 3.

I feel the like consumer shift to one to another won't be as substantial once the dust settle sometimes in the early third quarter when all the tablets are released and asus fixed our tablet (cross-fingers).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a nice side-by-side comparison of the TF201 and A510. It's in Italian but specs are specs.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
So, more or less... they are on par with few differences.

Now, if you value the functionality of GPS & WIFI without the issues that Prime is currently having... it's certainly a good alternative since the PRICING seems to be on par with PRIME as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
In short, it's smaller, thicker, weighs more, but has a 40% larger battery.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
I'm sold on the Prime design of dockable keyboards. Just need WiFi to work... ;)

I find the Lenovo IdeaPad S2 docking connector quite ugly (big).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
"HD frontale" for the front-facing camera on the A510. Let me say I HATE it when spec sheets say stuff like that. HD is no measurement.

But, I like the addition of the mUSB as the connection port. No IPS+ (duh).

The keyboard is the most important thing to me, aside from a fully-functioning tablet to attach to it. And I've not had good experiences with Lenovo: they're decent, aimed more at the work crowd (even though they have "gaming" laptops >.>), but I've never seen so many harddrives get eaten by a single machine...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
This

is funny.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Even though its thicker, when I held it at CES it was actually more comfortable to hold than the prime due to a more rounder and thicker corners vs the primes tapered sides and more sharp corners. And it felt like it wont slip off your hands. The plastic back definitely helps in this regards. But NO its not sexy like the Prime is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
How was the display? The display on the A200 wasn't known as one of the best.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Here is what might be a sleeper hit. A very low cost alternative at only $99

Now here is the Galaxy Tab 2. I think they messed up on this one. Why? By including an outdated dual core 1Ghz processor. Why not just beef it up like the others? I think people are looking past the 1Ghz devices now. All newer stuff has higher speeds now. Plus this will ship with ICS built in. They better hope 1Ghz dual core is enough to push ICS along with Touchwiz bloat on top of it. A lil bigger n heavier than tab +

Also the Asus ZTE T98 quad core with high resolution, same as prime, at hopefully $249. Of course there will be trade offs to reach this price point but this may very well be the most powerful low priced tablet. Think this has tegra3 in it. Carriers might even pick it up also.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
This is certainly the one I'm hoping to purchase or Samsung's 11 in. tablet...

I currently own G Tab 10.1 (re-purchased after I returned my 1st prime successfully at costco.. yay for 90 day return policy) and Prime (gift I received but can't return for full refund ... darn Gamespot =/)

While I do like the "look" of the Prime, I prefer the functionality, comfort when holding a device, and the extended battery.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
To be honest I couldnt tell much difference. Or alteast not enough for me to notice. I scrolled through the home screens, settings, app drawer and played Riptide for a good 10 minutes (ya I was showing off since I knew the game well). I did like that it was smoother as far as screen transistions. Like it didnt jump too fast..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The G-Tab 2 makes absolutely no sense. It could have if they intended to aim it at the low-end market to compete with the MeMO but it's priced at $400 USD in Europe. Assuming the 7+ and 7.7 AMOLED get ICS there's no logical reason for the G-Tab 2 to exist. It's great to offer choices but there comes a point where it's ridiculous.

Gizmodo's questioning its existence also...

http://gizmodo.com/5884606/samsung-galaxy-tab-2-why-do-you-exist
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
One word: TF700t. Upgrading as soon as it comes out. Personally, even though the processor will be overtaxed, I think native 1080p resolution trumps all. All of you people are talking about OOOH GALAXY TAB IS SO GREAT!!! Well, wait for the ASUS tf700t or the iconia a700. Same specs but only the asus one has docks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
agreed... one thing that i think is highly underrated on the tf201 is the dock connection. the connection feels incredibly solid for such a small footprint. and the hinge itself has a nice stiff travel to it that is a good match for the weight of the screen itself. overall very well engineered.

but on the flipside, thinkpads are somewhat famous for their great keyboards, and i do consider the chiclets on the tf201 dock a bit uncomfortable. i find myself continuously aware that i am typing on an undersized keyboard and having to adapt my movements more than i'd like. the S2 keyboard appears to run edge-to-edge and the keys themselves are larger because they did not waste space to create padding between them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
If not the Prime, i'd wait for the next Transformer device coming from ASUS. It will take a while and it will be hard to get one when they come out as usual. But they make very nice devices in this segment. I'd wait for one too if my Prime wasnt perfect :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Yeah plus the tf-700 display already been compared to new Acer a700 and ASUS device display far superior.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Oh really, by who.. or whom? According to aznmode.. he didn't notice any difference in display with his short time with Acer a510.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Well for starters new prime or TF-700 will have super ips+ display like the prime. Acer doesn't have this technology or a display that even rivals the quality of it. We already know the Prime was considered by all tech sites to have the best display out of any tablet. Having highest contrast ratio, highest Dpi, and being the brightest. Now take that exact same display in Prime and double the resolution. Still having super ips + and there will be no question it'll have the best display out. At least till ipad3 drops. No one even really talking about new Samsung one with even higher res. Display. Its very far off n it will be lucky if it even shows up this year at all. Here's some tidbits to show how next hyped up device for Android will be the Tf-700. More talk surrounds this than any other android tablet coming out. Tegra3 is still huge and hyped up as the king of Android processors.

Ill dig up exact display specs on Acer also. Ill edit this post with it once I find it again.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Again, I don't get it. Prime atm.. when compared to all the Tegra 2/Last-gen tablet.. it certainly is the best tablet out atm (spec wise.. functionality will differ based on ppl's perspective). However, my question to you is about the DISPLAY...

While the PRIME does have IPS+ display, according to AZNMODE... he didn't find or see any notable differences. All the articles or impression I have read during the CES also supports his view...

As in.. where is your evidence that tf700 is FAR SUPERIOR in display??? KEY being the FAR SUPERIOR part.. while, it could or is better to standard IPS display.. something I will not dispute.. I don't understand your claim on being FAR SUPERIOR(or even just superior).

Again, with the spec wise between TF700 and other upcoming tablets...

Most are on par, or equal to each other with design/weight differences(and few other differences.. such as Lenovo with extra gig and etc). TF700 .. according to ASUS is basically PRIME with updated camera and change of backplate! You were once degrading TF700 once it was announced.. now you are HYPING the device? I don't get it...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I think samsung will be the only other player to really offer some of "rival" so to speak. If that thing is getting released soon and it doesn't have launch issues, it will be a tough call for me between prime + dock and the bigger, high res screen.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
You won't see any press event by Samsung at MWC according to all the latest buzz. Samsung is holding their own event (like Apple) to reveal & launch their next gen products (supposedly next gen ... and the rumored 11.6 tablet & galaxy s3).

We don't have any details on Samsung's next tablet.. except the following rumors:

1. it'll be 11 in tablet (can't remember the exact display size)

2. will be on dual-core 2 GHz Exynos 5250 processor that supports a resolution up to 2560×1600

3. hoping to compete against ipad 2s or ipad 3.. or whatever Apple decides to release
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
I've been trying to dig up some reviews on the screen and found this on the Acer a700. I think at this point everything is subjective until we actually see the device for ourselves. Again talking about the a700 not the a510 that I played with at CES. My own opinion on the a510 screen can be subjective as well. I'm not denying the Prime has the better screen but I didn't see that much of a difference at least to my naked eyes.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/hands-on-acer-iconia-tab-a700-review-1052608

"While the tablet doesn't actually have IPS, Acer is claiming that it using technology similar to it and we tried to look at the screen from every conceivable angle and were impressed by the clarity. "
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
OK...lol its better then. Super ips + display is superior to standard ips. That's a no brainer.

What I said about new model is the concern over higher res. Display on same chipset. There's no doubt it can push it easily. But I've always said compared to prime, performance will be better on prime since it has a lower high Res. Display. Prime is more of a sweet spot for display n processing power. Games n more will run faster on prime. That was what I said about it. Plus yes, it is essentially a prime with a higher Res. Display. Still has metal back(from what I've read) but has plastic strip across the top. Same device basically. Like a slightly upgraded prime. I said this doesn't entice me to spend to sell prime for it. Now if Asus offers exchange program for a small fee, I might hop on it.

I'm not hyping it up. The title of your thread is Prime alternatives. Although very similar, still not technically a prime as it has a different name and buttons changed around on it slightly. This is a good alternative. Only thing on any new device coming out, it'll be best to wait for a lil after its released. To see how it really is once reviews from tech sites and consumers come out.

I'd take tf-700 over Acer based on previous Acer owner posts I've seen. Like if you think aSUS or prime had issues, wait till you hop over to Acer. Like someone put it, going from frying pan(Asus) into the fire(Acer). If you done with Asus products then I'd recommend Acer over Lenovo. Lenovo developement here in xda is dead. Lenovo known for pushing updates out very slowly and always behind in firmwares.

That's all ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Here's a video sample of a700 screen. Check out the first part of the clip where the guy is standing on top. He looks like hes popping out of the screen lol. And thats an angle view!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqnooi-R9Ig&feature=player_embedded#!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That does look good. Probably more attributed to being true 1080p resolution vs. Actual display. Itself. Would love to see that video on both Acer and tf-700 with super ips+ mode cut on. Then you'll really see some popping out the screen n details..lol. Acer display is good also. Can't argue that. It has a true 1080p display like tf-700. Clarity and brightness will determine which display is better overall. We already know super ips + is the brightest out. So only clarity of two devices side by side would be left to compare. They already raved about tf-700 display.

It will be an interesting battle of new tablets. Especially once new Ipad drops and Samsung finally gets around to releasing their device. Price will play a more important factor in all of this. Samsung is know for being overpriced on their tablets compared to the specs they hold. Also don't think I'm a Samsung hater...lol. I do want that Galaxy Note very badly. Once its released on At&t very soon, that will be my next phone. Very excited about that. Its like a mini tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Mm, I should change the title to possible alternatives in the near future or alternatives in March. At least that was my initial thought once i've read the slashgear article.

TF700, Acer 700, Lenovo Tablet.. and few others are still far away (supposedly June? although.. i guess it won't matter since it is 3 month difference.. but if I go that route, the "alternative" list won't end since we have to bring up win 8 tablets and so forth)