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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jessejames111981:
the system needs its own app storage and 2gb is a lot. and you have the option to put it on your internal storage which isn't even needed but its there

and your iphone advertises and does provide 32gb nothing ever said you have access to all that. My external HD advertised at 3TB but i have access to 2.72gb. the storage needs that 280gb to itself to store information to help it communicate properly and efficiently. and the % is closer to 90% of advertised storage is yours
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] NR017:
I'm a little disappointed with the device. I've been messing with it to make sure its not me but for f sake. They destroyed this phone. It shows major lags and scrolling is not as smooth.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpeg42:
I am coming from a Captivate, and didn't have an international Note, but this phone is smoking fast to me. A little scroll lag?? You really don't think the xda gurus will fix that and more in no time?? Enough with the *****ing :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PoisonWolf:
Lawl, you have not used an International Note have you? ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
I have owned the International and yes, the AT&T version does seem faster for a majority of the things I do on it. Haven't tried out emulators or anything yet. My personal device still isn't in
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] teiglin:
You're conflating a couple of issues here. When you're talking about your 3TB hard drive, the issue is that it is three trillion bytes, or 3TB. To be precise, your computer reports its size in "binary" or multiples of 1024 bytes, so one TiB (binary terabyte or tebibyte) is actually 1099511627776 (2^40) bytes, and one GiB (binary gigabyte or gibibyte) is actually 1073741824 (2^30) bytes. Where it gets confusing is that if you open up Windows Explorer or whatever and ask it for your drive capacity, it is reporting to you that you have 2.728 TiB of space, but it incorrectly displays that as 2.728 TB. You have the same issue with SD cards: my 32GB SD card shows in my android system properties as 29.81GB, but what it means is 29.81GiB.

The second issue is that your Note has 16GB of storage (probably NOT GiB). Of that, some 2GB is partitioned for the system and another 2GB is set aside for apps/data, leaving you with about 12GB of space in /sdcard for whatever you want. The iPhone has this issue too.

As other people have said, 2GB is an absurdly large app partition. I can't imagine filling that up. And as for the 12GB user-accessible data, if you were really expecting 16GB and that is a problem for you, then go buy a 64GB microSDXC card or a stack of 32GB microSDHC cards and be glad you didn't pay $200 for 48GB of storage like you would have with an iPhone. :)

Edit: I feel like I should weigh in on the processor issue too. I haven't felt that the Crapdragon has been a huge bottleneck for my phone. It's nowhere near as smooth as my Exynos GS2, but the latter is rooted and running a custom kernel with tweaked settings to my liking. I'm sure once people have decent ROMs and kernels running then the Note will be perfectly usable.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] fuzzled:
I've received both the international as well as the AT&T version. I will try to swap out the screens tomorrow as I prefer the 4 buttons on the US version over the single button on the international GN. AT&T does not provide LTE in Denver and has no plans for roll-out anytime soon, hence the main reason to keep the AT&T version is invalid for me.

That being said here are some benchmarks I've ran on both devices. You can see that on Quadrant that the International Galaxy Note (IGN) is better in all criteria except for CPU, given the qualcomm is clocked at a higher speed in the US version.

I used NenaMark2 for graphics rendering and the IGN still comes out on top.

If anyone has any other questions please feel free to ask. The IGN does feel slightly snappier than the AT&T version. However I am not sure if that is due to innate software differences or hardware, even though Engadget did say the IGN is the better phone overall.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ekerbuddyeker:
Both of mine cone out slower but I have loaded over 100apps which is a real life scenario for me. Cab you trust out video side by side, something 1080 and tell me if you dlfind the at&t one significantly worse. I want to go forward with the LTE device but not based on the current video perfomance (I watch a lot of video). Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
*patiently waits for gpu overclocking"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Buffon00:
I got the att version although I wont get it until next week because I live in Spain. I'm moving back to Miami in a couple of months and taught that maybe the US version would be a better choice due to the fact that I can get it subsidized and its made for that network. My original idea was to unlock it and use it here until I get state side and then use it in the network with LTE. This is where my doubts come in.

1. Miami currently does not have LTE. Is there a place where I can see the scheduled roll out of LTE in the USA?

2. Based on the reviews here, does the IGN work as well with ATT as the i717?

3. Is there any video available to see them both working side by side on ATT network to make my choice? (I can cancel the line and purchase one here ) . Im getting mixed reviews and im wondering how different both phones fair for regular use and of course some video etc.)

Thanks in advance for the help.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Earthdog:
Lag

I love the device however I must say the Lag compared to my SkyRocket is terrible.

Example:

1. Phone ring swipe to answer 2 second delay to change screen and answer.

2. Press the End button on a call and average is 2-3 seconds to end the call and close the window.

3. Screen rotation is slow again 2 seconds.

Hopefully we will get a root method to freeze all the BS and then it should scream.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zas311:
Android phones give users plenty of freedom. Welcome aboard.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] fuzzled:
I've been using the IGN the past day and a half and it works fine with AT&T. Obviously I don't have LTE but 3G is fine; it switches between the 3G icon and H+ icon.

Overall I'd say the IGN seems to be better IMHO. At first I thought the one button layout was inferior to the 4 button layout of the US version, however I've quickly changed my mind. It is definitely reminiscent of the iPhone home button (which I'm switching over from) and I can see why Samsung has changed it; the button functionalities are almost identical hence they'd be encroaching on copyright infringement territory.

I've also taken both apart and posted pictures in another post if anyone is curious to see the hardware differences.

From my understanding the screens are identical hence you won't notice much of a change between video rendering IMO.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Buffon00:
Thanks for the response Fuzzled. Do you know anything on the AT&T roll-out scheduled of LTE?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] davidusr:
Not noticing anything significant between the two. Do prefer the home button on the int'l Note though. A bit laggy on the Sammy keyboard on ATT version.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Coffinfeeder:
My antutu benchmark was 6300 on stock.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] pachi72:
I say it different..the ATT Note feels sluggish compare to Internation version...

Load up a live wallpaper and see performance on homescreens drop...Its smooth on Exynos version.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Cyberguycpt:
Its funny some say its more laggy and some say less. I think many of us out here already know it does have the exynos processor so we are just expecting for it to be slower. I came from the Skyrocket and felt it was super smooth but many people would comment that it was super laggey compared the the galaxy s II.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jeffs99:
I'm sure some have already seen this comparison, but in case you haven't:

www(dot)engadget(dot)com/2012/02/15/atandt-galaxy-note-review/

(sorry, haven't posted enough times to allow a direct link, maybe some could be so kind as to posting direct link)

This specfic portion that has got me to possibly think twice on which vrsion to get, is the section of the article called 'Performance and Battery Life'.

It seems that the with the international version having a better processor (although not LTE compatible), the international version not only outperformed the AT&T version, its' battery life was also better.

But then again, which may be a sticking point for some, the international version does not support LTE, hence better battery life.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] joshnichols189:
They weren't even in an LTE area when they did the battery test so that doesn't factor in at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bkeaver:
Everyday my battery is getting better and better. Yesterday I had my phone off charger for 12 hours and I still had over 70% battery left.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SMARTPHONEPC:
Another WTF :eek:WHY :rolleyes: moment.. in addition to no Screen Mode - no wonder I was also having a hard time locating the Video Maker..

Anyone with the AT&T version get the Video Maker APK working from an international version?:cool: -Thnx

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BTW, I was next to someone in the AT&T store with the SGNexus also known for its weak speaker & while the AT&T Note's default volume setting seemed somewhat louder, we both installed this Equalizer App mentioned in threads for the international SGNote as improving the volume but it only seemed to work on SGNexus, not the AT&T Note although I did not go through all the following "Try these:

1 - Launch the App & goto Equalizer - Custom

2 - Leave 60Hz but increase everything else to 90%

3 - Last setting, on the top right hand corner, you will see a power icon next to the settings, check this, make sure it's on otherwise the equalizer will not even be turned on."

Anyone confirm if those apps-settings also help the AT&T SGNote as well? -Thx:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] davidusr:
My intl Note was sent back to Singapore for warranty replacement due to the radio taking a dump. I'm waiting for it to come back. Otherwise I would be glad to.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Irishwake83:
Are you rooted? If not which Uninstaller did you use to delete the rest of the apps? I downloaded a few from the market and they all delete the same apps, which seem to basically be placeholder shortcuts to download the full apps from the Market.

Thanks in advance.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Alkaline100x:
Tried 5 AT&T Galaxy Notes at Best Buy, all were doing 2250-2300 on Quadrant, how are people getting 4000 on the AT&T version? I'll be getting my international version in next week.:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] guitarplayerone:
the i717 Has the snapdragon, the N7000 has the Exynos.

You should note though that the Exynos has a dedicated GPU and the Snapdragon does not.

This would explain why some users are experiencing video display problems.

Same thing under the hood as the skyrocket but pushing way more pixels.

Quadrant results are posted on Endgaget's site.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/atandt-galaxy-note-review/

Nothing wrong with getting an ATT Gnote (i717) if you are on contract in a metropolitian area, as the LTE is lightning fast. Another perfectly good reason would be that the international warranty would not be valid on an N700 in the US. However, the i717 as far as I understand is not, and will not, be available without a contract.

The deciding factor for me was that I did a cost/benefit analysis and found that using an MVNO or MediaNet, while giving me a significantly slower connection (2gb down 1 up) in my area, offered savings of around $1200 over two years when adding up the total costs for a similar (let's say 2GB data/unlimited minutes/unlimited texts) plan from ATT, including unsubsidized vs subsidized phone cost

To be fair though, if I wasn't a poor college student, I would have just splurged for the ATT Gnote on an unlimited LTE plan- it sort of seems like the whole purpose of the phone is for heavy streaming video consumption, unless you read a lot of ebooks on it.

The above sort of thing is something I didn't realize until using it real-world for a month or two- at the end of the day, unless you read a lot of Ebooks, the GSII or even GSIII when it comes out will be a much better device for most folks- almost identical specs, but just overall much more practical.

I use it heavily for Ebook reading, so to me it's a slightly smaller Kindle that makes phone calls, so I am happy.

Sorry all for the editorializing
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] iahk:
Hey guys, I've become curious so this may be a stupid question but I'm on Sprint so I haven't been following up on this. :)

Is the international galaxy note capable of connecting to ATT's hspa+ network? For future reference, what frequencies should I be looking for in international phone specs to see if they can run on ATT's hspa+ network?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jackxlj:
not to be a post nazi,but the snapdragon inside the att gnote does indeed have a dedicated gpu,the one in the internation one is just more powerful
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DJsCrIBbLe:
Man for the deal you can get on an att one its hard to justify the small differences between the two and go international ... i mean u can get the note for like 150-200 according the that other thread :o

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PoisonWolf:
And pay out the a$$ over 2 years.

Do you honestly think that companies do not factor the cost of the phone?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dr.W:
So you've figured out a way to get data for free on AT&T? Tell me how you pay more over time for the branded version? I can use the AT&T Note with my $19.99 unlimited data plan so I see no monetary disadvantage.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DJsCrIBbLe:
Well I already have a contract with att, 5 lines and a 30% premier discount I don't get what you mean by paying out the ass for 2 years . Why cuz I'm not using straight talk or prepay? I pay 55 a month for unlimited everything basically. Only thing not unlimited are calls to land lines... big deal I have 8000 roll over minutes and counting

Sent from my A500 ICS dream machine
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] davidusr:
Yes, International Note will run on AT&T HSPA+. The frequencies are 800/1950Mhz I believe.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tefloncoated:
As of this 2/20/12, I have both the International and ATT versions of the Note. I will post a short video review of both tomorrow.

The International is rooted of course, with Rocket Rom v21 and Abyss kernel.

The ATT version is stock.

Both have same exact set up configurations, Widget locker, Go launcher and pretty much the same number of apps installed.

Some more quick observations after playing with both for a few days:

Pros:

-LTE speed. It's amazing, compared to HSPA+ or even to WiFi! i get 11-13 Mbps down and 8-10 Mbps up in NYC where my International Note was barely getting 1 Mbps up and .8 down... In NJ i am getting 20Mbps speeds, which is faster than my WiFi at home.

-ATT version is very smooth. I cannot comment on any lag.

-Battery life is VERY much comparable! I get about 3 hours of screen on time from both devices.

-The amount of bloatware was slightly exaggerated - there is only a handful of ATT pre-installed apps and i was able to uninstall at least one of them just like a regular user app - no root access needed.

Cons:

- Lack of Video Editor. I ported the International .apk, but the install could not complete. Could be fixable by a custom rom cook.

- Lack of FM radio. I ported the International .apk, was able to install and run the app, but there is no sound. This must be the kernel limitation, as the chip should be able to support it. Could be fixed with custom kernel.

- Some funky performance of the lock screen - does not always appear as expected and i can get right to the home screen.

- Some funky performance of the wallpaper - come wallpapers dont scroll, others do. Some get grossly zoomed in when installed, others dont.

While the last two points are relatively minor, as they could be attributed to a config issue with the actual software, the first two cons can be deal breaker for some people.

The LTE speed is definitely a huge selling point that can help overlook the cons.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
That would be cool if a custom rom (CM9 :D) could add fm radio and video editing support.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tefloncoated:
Indeed.

as a side note - I still have not seen a solid confirmation of the rooting methods regarding flash counter increase.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Which is one reason I'm hesitant on rooting just yet. I'm actually going to create a thread on this.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sailador:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1505062

use the method above if you dont want your flash counter increased. Just download it then turn on odin then put the tar in pda. Afterward put your phone in download mode and hit start in odin. I tried it last night and it works perfectly with my counter still at 0 and no yellow triangle at boot
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bkeaver:
the increase of the flash counter does not place a yellow triangle on the boot screen of the note like it did with the Galaxy S II phones. the only way you would ever know if the flash counter has increased from 0 was to go into download mode and look.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sailador:
I went to download mode and checked and it is still at 0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Good stuff. I have both also. I agree with everything you said except the battery life. My IV gets much better battery life which I expected. I am almost concerned about the ATT Gnote. Luckily, I have a Mugen if I need it! :) Since I updated my IV to LB1 this week it is even faster than LA4! Both are stock and set up exactly the same way. I am certain ICS is coming soon to the international! LTE is very fast in Dallas but luckily my home wifi is faster. The most data I have used is 1.8 GB and that was the first month I had LTE back in November. Probably all the speed tests I did!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ekerbuddyeker:
Its like horsepower and torque. ATT has better HP but IV has greater torque!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SMARTPHONEPC:
Please also address & show the missing screen mode differences in your comparative video. -Thanks:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ekerbuddyeker:
I also think the screen is not as bright when watching video. I compared side by side.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tefloncoated:
So folks, is anyone else experiencing the weirdness with the lock screen and wallpapers? It's getting a little frustrating - enable the lock screen, it works a few times then disappears...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Xanthony:
I am curious about this Att Note with Int. face sounds like a winner to me:D Wish I could afford the two to do that my self
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SMARTPHONEPC:
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BTW, I was next to someone in the AT&T store with the SGNexus also known for its weak speaker & while the AT&T Note's default volume setting seemed somewhat louder, we both installed this Equalizer App mentioned in threads for the international SGNote as improving the volume but it only seemed to work on SGNexus, not the AT&T Note although I did not go through all the following "Try these:

1 - Launch the App & goto Equalizer - Custom

2 - Leave 60Hz but increase everything else to 90%

3 - Last setting, on the top right hand corner, you will see a power icon next to the settings, check this, make sure it's on otherwise the equalizer will not even be turned on."

Anyone confirm if those apps-settings also help the AT&T SGNote as well? -Thx:cool:

OP, please address the reports of differences in speaker loudness (& if they can equally be improved with aforementioned apps) & brightness when watching video etc between each in your video -Thanks:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] prayii:
Can't compare specs wise, but price wise it was only $40 more for a 2 year contract with AT&T than to buy the international and use straight talk. So I spend an extra $40 total over the course of 2 years and get LTE and better coverage. The performance difference seems to be minimal from what 99% of people are saying.

That's how I made my decision. I understand this won't be the same for everyone. My plan with AT&T is just me and I don't need much in terms of minutes so its pretty cheap with my company discount.

Loving my AT&T Note since day 1. :)

Cheers to our international brothers. This is an awesome device no matter what your model number is. :beer:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
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It is so bizarre, I use a PIN and tonight when I would lock the phone with the button it is supposed require a PIN but it was not? If you let the screen time out (30 seconds), it does not require a PIN based on the timer amount. I have the timer set for 10 minutes. I reset everything and will mess with it later tonight. I think the skyrocket had that security bug also...

Update: It is as I suspected. On My IV Gnote if I locked the button or wait 10 minutes my phone will require the PIN. On the ATT version it will only require the PIN after 10 minutes. This is the same bug the skyrocket had. You can remedy this by setting the timer to immediate but that is a pain putting your PIN in every time...the screen times out.

One thing I like about the ATT version of touch wiz is that the home screen is screen 4 (in the middle of 7 screens) the IV version has the first screen as 1 and you cannot change it to my knowledge...also like the 4 button look better since it is cleaner and no dust etc to get in the button...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tefloncoated:
Here you go folks: a side by side comparison of two Galaxy Notes - International HSPA+ GT-N7000 vs US AT&T 4G LTE I717

http://youtu.be/V6Jnl1xV3i8
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Nice job on the video!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SMARTPHONEPC:
Thanks tefloncoated, any chance you could do a followup video where you also address & show the missing screen mode differences in a comparative video & whether you can get those apps from the GT-N7000 working on the AT&T I717 -Thanks:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] over2land:
I am very curious. But can't find the thread where you pulled them apart.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] deserthi:
I just canceled my account with ATT and sent note back because my monthly bill with them was near $80. I got straight talk for 45 a month and want to get a new note but after reading this thread I am confused on which one to buy. Which plan did you get with ATT that allows you to only spend $40 more over two years?

The other thing is that the with the att version I had mine over clocked to 1.83 but I see no option like this for the N7000.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rambo6:
Really Confused on Which to buy

I've wanted a Note for some time. I'm in a city that won't have LTE till around till October. I have an international SII which I love.

I have a grandfathered plan that's unlimited and cheap. I have one question for those who have the AT&T Note. Can you tether it without a tethering plan and with out rooting it?

I am leaning toward the AT&T Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] prayii:
I use the 450 minute USA only plan with no texting (I use Google Voice for this) and 3gb tiered plan for $70 - $9/month company discount = $61/month

$61 * 24 = $1,464 + $300 = $1,764 (AT&T)

$45 * 24 = $1,080 + $700 = $1,780 (Straight Talk)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
I do not believe you can tether the GNote without a plan. They are very good at detecting this activity especially on their own phones.