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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Agreed. But after seeing that video I feel my Prime is outdated now lol. I'm also trying to look for comparison of thickness between Prime and Acer. I saw it a while back but cant find it anymore.

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Speaking of win 8 tablets. This is the closest I got to some at the Nvidia booth. They had them enclosed behind glass.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] James Harrison:
We're still single channel folks.

Is anyone else worried about tegra 3's outdated the single channel 32 bit memory interface while everybody else is using dual channel?

Eg Apple A5, Exynos 4210, TI OMAP 4 and *new* Qualcomm MSM 8960.

(it's even worse because we have more cores for both CPU and GPU). This is screaming extreme bottleneck, it's all okay for now but when the processor and gpu actually start getting used for real, every other device might as well just sail by :( GFlops arn't too impressive either..

Not the end of the world but I was shocked when I read that. Does anyone else feel the same or not really care? lol

Source: www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PolishPoet:
Truer words have never been spoken. And if you think ASUS service stinks, wait until you have to deal with those folks Sheesh . . . .

Proud owner of a Transformer Prime on Tapatalk.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I think me n you dabbled on this subject in another thread...lmfao. think tegra4 ;) plus tegra3 will more then hold its own. Remember shelf life is so short now. I'm anxious for tegra4/Wayne chipset. Which had specs that beat out all the new ones yet to come out. Nvidia is a generation ahead of everyone. I'm sticking with them. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Ahh, that's a shame that you weren't able to get a closer view. While I do plan on purchasing a win 8 tablet due to the nature of my work(or should I say slate), I have no interest in purchasing a Tegra based Win 8 ARM tablet (ARM Win 8 tablets in general but..).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] James Harrison:
Lol, yes we did talk about GFLOPS but I didn't know about the single thread memory! that's behind the CURRENT curve. I guess, we have to see how this all plays out, maybe it wouldn't even matter or maybe it could be fatal?

Man, 2012 is going to be interesting.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Don't forget about the new 3D trigate transistor technology developed by Intel. They have x86 processors using as little power as ARM processors. New Ivy Bridge chips will revolutionize laptops.

Why is that relevant in this thread? Intel owns nVidia, that's why. If Intel licenses this tech to nVidia the Tegra 4 or Tegra 5 should have a substantial advantage in the marketplace.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Umm.. and when did Intel buyout nVidia?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Screwedupsmitty:
whoever said owned is wrong, but nvidia and intel are "butt buddies" if you will, intel paid nvidia 15 billion last year or sumthing absurd
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clockwork58:
I may take a look at the Toshiba excite x10 for the wife.

Looks interesting.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mmilestone:
Acer??? Really???

Just tonight, I did a side-by-side comparison of my ATP and my son's Acer Iconia A500 (another tablet with GPS issues).

The Acer Iconia A500 is on the Left / The Asus Transformer Prime is on the Right

The Prime's Wifi was on par with the A500 at +30ft and 2 walls away from the router.

--

Indoors, the Acer did not get a GPS signal or see any sats. My Prime got 11 locked on to 9.

My wife's Galaxy Tab 10.1, my old Huawei Ideos S7 and TF101 got both the A500 and Prime totally beat on both wi-fi and GPS.

It's so shameful I wouldn't even dare post pics. :o

The Acer Iconia A500 was as hit or miss as the TP. Some units had GPS issues, some had WiFi issues, some had both issues, some had no issues.

Did any of you hear about Acer lifting its butt one inch to fix any issues? They didn't even acknowledge there was an issue.

They just released an update or two and done with it.

Not even an update about when their ICS is really coming.

I find it funny how a lot of those pissed at Asus, because of the Prime's flaws, are even considering Acer as an alternative. :)

You better hope there isn't an issue with it or you'll know how Robinson Crusoe felt.

The TF101 also had issues out of the starting gate. What got me was how Asus hauled ass getting them fixed.

With Samsung, you'd be lucky to get your upgrade before the next Android iteration.

No device out there is perfect. And no device WILL BE.

There will always be something missing, lacking, or not working.

If it has everything, is competitively advanced and all working fine, you can bet your behind it's gonna be heavier than my a $ $ or reeeaalllyy fugly. :D

So, now that you guys have been bit and left bleeding by the cutting edge, you're all looking forward to the next cutting edge. :confused:

May I suggest that, specially for the whiners out there, you wait and see what's really good before jumping in head first into the next sharp blade out there. :rolleyes:

I hope y'all won't take this the wrong way, because I'm looking forward to seeing familiar names in those future device's forums. :D

As for my Prime? If no changes or acceptable updates occur(hello, encrypted bootloader!) it's headed back the BB way this Friday.

You just gotta love being Premier Silver! :cool:

Just my 0.2 cents.

Yeah, I know....cool story, huh? :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Well at least you entertained with some interesting visuals... ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Good post. I've heard horror stories surrounding Acer products also. So they don't support their device. Samsung is super slow to release updates also. LENOVO has no kind of developement support and slow to release updates also. Looks like Asus is the best out the bunch to me. They have killer developement support and release updates very fast n frequently.

I agree with what you said about cutting edge technology. I think alot of these prime owners weren't ready for it and Android. Maybe they should've gotten an Ipad instead..lmfao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mmilestone:
I aim to please! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
i'm looking forward to the memo 370t and the specs for the super galaxy tab.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Reignzone:
Despite all of the negativity (currently) surrounding the TFP; I still genuinely stand behind my decision to purchase it.

It's a top-tier device, which offers up-to-date specs that will likely compete until Q4 of this year.

Sent from the last remaining Prime; Leader of the Autopads.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mmilestone:
Actually, a lot seem to have jumped FROM iOS with the promise of a better Android. :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I'm loving the sound of this. More possible ammo to keep Nvidia on the top. If nvidia implements this technology its a wrap for other chip makers. This will dramatically increase performance and dramatically increase battery life. Unbelievable piece of technology. Will be keeping a close eye on this to see if Nvidia actually starts implementing it. Plus its ready now so this could be in Tegra4. They should've went all out and implemented this in the tegra3/prime. Could've possibly eliminated issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
Since I want to have stylus and ARM15 in my next tablet I will have to wait until the end of year probably. My options will be Samsung (11 inch tablet looks very interesting), HTC or Lenovo probably. I hope Google will show at least 10 inch Nexus tablet by then.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Actually, if you read down in the comments on the link I posted you'll see that this tech may also be available to ARM manufacturers. :D :D :D

I'm brand agnostic, competition is good for the market. It's good for me and every other shopper out there. Although with ATI's proven track record of being unable to write a stable driver I'm highly unlikely to buy a high end (or any other) card from them for at least another 20 years. That being how long it's been since I bought the last one.

Unfortunately, Asus probably has a patent on the concept and specific mechanics of the battery and additional ports in the hinged keyboard/dock. So there probably isn't going to be a real non-Asus alternative to the TF101/201 for those of us who want this extremely versatile form factor and functionality. :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
Yeah, one of the reasons I hate patents. :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
You may want to look at this:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/15/2799479/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-mwc-invitation
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Sorry to burst your bubble but this doesn't make sense. While, it is true that Intel did pay 15 billion settlement & some cross-licensing agreement with Nvidia..

http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/...CE9F579F09&prid=706607&releasejsp=release_157

&

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4122/intel-settles-with-nvidia-more-money-fewer-problems-no-x86

Here are some quotes:

"The most notable bit here is that the chipset license agreement will now formally define that NVIDIA does not gain rights to DMI/QPI, which the agreement defines as being Intel processors with an on-chip/on-die memory controller. So while the company can continue to produce C2D chipsets, they will not be able to produce a Nehalem or Sandy Bridge chipset"

"NVIDIA also does not get an x86 license. x86 is among an umbrella group of what’s being called “Intel proprietary products” which NVIDIA is not getting access to. Intel’s flash memory holdings and other chipset holdings are also a part of this. "

If you go by their past settlement, and with Intel's goal to break into mobile market... there's no way they would cross-license such a deal with Nvidia (as they are direct competition). Not only that, but it favors Intel if Nvidia were to struggle.. as that gives them the chance to purchase NVIDIA outright.. and Nvidia GPU patent/expertise into their chips.

Also x86 tech into ARM...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
This won't sell good if true. They already have a 10.1 inch. Device. This along with the galaxy tab2 doesn't make any sense at all. They gonna release a tab 2 that's using an outdated 1Ghz dual core. For this possible new galaxy note 10in. If they wanted to add pen/digitizer feature they could've added the tech to an existing devcie n been cheaper. Now way all the different sizes will sell enough to keep in production. Samsung now has the galaxy 10.1 inch., galaxy 8.9 inch., galaxy tab +, galaxy tab 7.7, galaxy note 5.something inch., a supposed galaxy tab 2 which is 7in, a rumored galaxy note 10 in., and the supposed 11 inch. Due out late in the year. Seems like a perfect recipe to shoot themselves in the foot..lmao. its one thing trying to cover all market segments, and another to have devices unnecessary. So many different sizes is not the recipe for success. Apple has only 1 size yet dominates the tablet market by far. Samsung does good in Android sales but no so far ahead of Asus n others that if they mess up, others could take Samsung spot. Asus has alot of press n hype with their upcoming tablets. They trying to cover different size sectors also but not going overboard like Samsung. Ill just wait to see how many of these different tablets flop. The best sellers they have is the 10.1 in. And the 7 in. Tab, which was a flop when first released.

I impressed with the Galaxy note, 5.something inch Phablet, which I will get, and the galaxy tab 7.7. Which I considered before getting Prime but wasn't out yet. Glad I didn't. Love the prime ;) Samsung going crazy with all these unnecessary sizes. Plus they tend to be high priced/overpriced. I think they might be trying a lil too hard..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Shockingly, you and I agree on the 7" Tab 2, it doesn't make sense to extend a device by simply adding ICS to it. Especially when the 7+ with better h/w will be getting ICS also. Refreshing the 10.1 and adding what's a pretty cool feature (S-Note) does make sense. The 11.6" probably won't be out until Summer because the Exynos 5250 is just now in sampling. Adding S-Note and some other additional features to keep the 10.1 going until then does make sense. Also, unlike Asus, Samsung sells a lot of devices through their commercial division. Medical, logistics, and aviation are a great potential market for a large S-Pen equipped device and even the exalted iPad doesn't have a Wacom digitizer.

Do you actually believe what you write? Where do you source your information? In the U.S. alone, in market accessible tablets, Samsung has 16% market share compared to Asus' 10%. Acer who you crap on has 9%. Samsung's sold 5.4MM tablets (all models) compared to Asus' 1MM TF101 sales. Samsung's dominance in the rest of the world is even larger because of their relationship with every major wireless carrier. Quick, name a wireless carrier distributing an Asus product? You're also leaving out the tens of millions of Android handsets they've sold and that they were Google's chosen h/w vendor for the last two Nexi. And after the TF201 debacle, even if Asus started gaining market share, do you think Samsung would just fold up their tent? Or would they use their billions in cash in the bank to launch an all-out assault on a company that's 1/10 their size?

With next-gen tablets from Acer, Lenovo, HTC, and Samsung all hitting the market this year, what makes you think that people are going to suddenly discover "Asus" and behave any differently than when the same companies offered similar gen-one devices? Once again, by mid-year, the only difference between an Asus tablet and others will be the dock. And from historical stats that appears to be worth a point in market share. Had the Prime's launch gone well, Asus had a huge opportunity to shift some market share by offering the first and only next-gen tablet for a period of time. They blew it and the ensuing black eye may haunt them in the long run as the Prime drama continues to unfold. I know you love Asus but, seriously.

And it appears with the pricing of the Tab 2 they intend to stay that way. They want to own the premium end of the tablet market in each size to maintain a higher profit margin. And with their wireless relationships that's not an issue. They've sold 5.4MM "overpriced" devices so far and maintained market share leadership so it seems to be working. If they want to forsake profit for volume all they need to do is lower their pricing. It's simple, want a bargain? Buy something else.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
10% to 16% percent is not much compared to the difference Ipad holds above everyone. now thats a big difference. ;) can't deny that
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
LOL.. sorry, but I can only laugh at that statement...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Wow, two agreements in a row. ;) Android tablets are at a critical point (no matter who they're made by). With the iPad3 launching in March and the ensuing purchasing frenzy Android's tablet market share is going to decline even further. And with W8 on the horizon with far better access to desktop apps that's a threat too. Unifying on ICS is the right thing to do but it's being rolled out at a glacial pace so the benefit to consumers in 2012 won't be huge. With Google's purchase of Motorola being approved I'm hoping they take the lead and produce some really "wow" products with tightly integrated s/w and h/w features. That'll potentially do more for Android tablets than anything Samsung or Asus will be able (or willing) to do.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
1st, I also find it hard to digest the Tab 2 (7.0) decision. Maybe they are testing what kind of reviews ICS gets on Tabs.

Something stuck me (suddenly) --

Is it possible that Samsung may actually have a product line for "Note" of varying sizes apart from the "Tab" line. Say something like 10.1 inch tablet with some upgraded SoC (like Exynos 4212 and not 5250) and a S-Pen input with ICS. ICS already have native support for Stylus/S-Pen. Then they probably will release Tab (2) 10-11 inch with 5250 and wqxga 2560x1600 display.

Very true :)

As things stand now, I see only Samsung launching a serious assault towards Apple's market share. Nobody else has so much control over supply chain and software/hardware integration.

I always knew there's something strange with Korean food :D:D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Android needs more unifying, IMO companies competing too much with each other when the real focus should be competing against Apple. I'm thinkn what if Google just buys all other Android manufacturer devices out. They already basically bought Motorola with all their patents and manufacturing power. I'm sure Google has more than enough money to by other big names out also. The companies could be like sub divisions of Google and still have the variety of hardware. Only difference being they do like Microsoft is doing with win8. Have a minimum hardware requirement for implementation of Android OS. This will keep a minimum baseline hardware requirement to ensure proper powering of their OS. Fragmentation would be very minimal. All subdivisions would have direct access to the latest Google codes and Android firmware. Or Google could just merge all the manufacturers n have them building one super android device for every screen size sector. Using patents n technology from all they've acquired and use the best from each one. You could also have dumbed down spec versions to meet the different price segments also. IMO, with firepower like that, there would be no stopping or slowing down of Android push into the market. Then another factor would be to get app n game developers up to par. For them tl stop releasing b.s. stuff and finally make apps comparable or exceeding apples app quality. Android seriously needs a tablet only apps sector. Like apple has in its app store. So people can finally differentiate between those n phone apps. Regardless if ICS is supposed to be the merging of the two.

Just a cool thought ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
I am not too hopeful on that. Motorola was never strong in the consumer market with the exception of the Razor (not Droid Razor).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I never thought of that and it's a good point. The larger G-Tab's already support Qualcomm. Bumping up the SoC would be a good idea to make it seem "newer." I guess it depends on how much they'd have to spend and how long they intend to market it once the 11.6 comes out. It's reported to have S-Pen also.

Here's the difference. As a stand-alone, and because they are public, Motorola's balance sheet wouldn't allow them to go "upside down" in product investment. Once absorbed in to Google, Google's P&L is so huge that if the Motorola division lost money for two years it would show up as a blip in their earnings. This is all conjecture on my part. For all we know Google may sell the h/w division after the deal closes because the patents are what they were really after.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
While.. as cool as that sounds.. it's very illogical, nor is it possible:

1. Google just doesn't have the fund to buy all android OEM (Asus, Acer, Lenovo, Samsung, HTC.. and etc).. not only that, these OEMs don't simply manufacture mobile devices

2. it would go against the law (trying to monopolize.. ) and the consumer will ultimately lose as the competition only narrows down to Apple vs Google vs MS

3. as much as you hate fragmentation within Android, it also was the main reason why it became so popular and why OEMs got on board to begin with...

4. while Google is trying their best to unify in the "s/w" and "UI" side, i just don't see them being able to do that in h/w aspect (only chance for this to occur is if they were to go Apple's route.. and have close ecosystem)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That's the biggest problem with Android and, at the same time, why we here at XDA love it. Have you had any friends come to you with a new Android device in their hands and a "deer in the headlights" look on their face looking for help? For non-technophiles the Android out-of-the-box experience is awful. Five mostly blank pages and a little green Android waving at you (or as someone told me, "taunting them"). Add to that apps that look and behave differently and some of them being genuine crap. You have to invest a lot of time in making an Android device "yours" to get real value out of it. The average non-geek consumer doesn't want to be bothered; they just want it to work. Hence the reason for Sense, TouchWiz, and MotoBlur. The KF's popularity is partially due its simplicity, God knows it's not the h/w. Compared to Apple with its Nazi-like control over the UI, iOS offers a much more complete experience out-of-the-box.

Google doesn't need to close the eco-system to accomplish a more polished and integrated experience. They’re run by too many propeller heads that assume the general public is both smarter and willing to invest time in their electronics than is realistic. Creating products that only appeal to geeks isn't the way to take down Apple.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
It's the ultimate headache for Google. While many applaud the acquisition of Motorola by Google.. I have nothing but doubts and questions of such move. The patents that comes with Motorola are tempting & it gives assurance to Android that it lives on... however.. based on foundation & practice with Android up to this point.. it only brings more questions.

Favoritism towards Motorola & to release "Google" experience through Motorola will only tick off 3rd Party OEMs (especially Samsung considering how valuable they are to Android) but it'll certainly raise red flag & questions for OEMs to continue to support Android in such heated competition. Throw in the money they waste by offering significant chunk of fee to MS for all the android they sell... I can easily see OEMs turning their attention to MS & Windows 8.

Anothing thing.. if they were to go "h/w" route, Google's a novice in this department and it'll certainly require trial & error period. I'm not sure if Google can afford such time.. if Win 8.. if it they are late into this mobile OS equation, will certainly catch up to Android considering how SLOW ICS is rolling out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Vcolassi:
Currently at the moment anything you get other than a Prime is gonna feel like a step back IMHO. Trust me i returned my first and was using a tab 10.1 & my GF's iPad 2. I was lucky enough to find two good working Primes serial C1 at my local Staples.

Even when the iPad 3 comes out, yea it might be a faster dual core or even a A6 quad core. But you are still gonna have all that power locked in a the iOS. Even if you jailbreak you will still find yourself bumping into walls. Especially if you are use a a Galaxy tab, Iconina or Prime style device with iOS.

Nothing against iPads they are a great device for what they do. But there is a reason i bought my GF one lol.

Like others stated though the dock add on with the Prime is going to help it hold its own. I had mine out the other day and people were amazed at it.

I had a Acer Iconia A500 as well, another good device but nowhere near the level of a Transformer Prime. But lets see what the 510 brings.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leo221:
Acer Iconia Tab A510 hits FCC

Acer Iconia Tab A510 hits FCC

will try this

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/acer-iconia-tab-a510-hits-fcc-refuses-to-reveal-all-its-secrets/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
Nice. If the released units are the same as the demo at CES then it will be a great device out of the box.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
Yeah but no dockable keyboard
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Certainly interesting... Didn't expect to be filed this early through FCC..

I guess it'll be released in March as well for US..

We'll find more during MWC...