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[Epic 4G General] xopher.hunter:
The epic touch battery fits in the OG epic just fine just its a little snug. However there are three major reasons why I got it

1. It has 1800mah, 300 more than stock

2. It is made in japan vs china (better battery tech)

3. My year old stock battery is not in good health (remember EF02 that **** got hot

You can find it on amazon for 18$ shippped

Sent from my CM7.2 OG Epic
[Epic 4G General] ÜBER™:
Rather have a 3500mah for 15$ but that's my thoughts... :D

6-7 hours display of heavy straight usage over 13 hours...love my hyperion ahem both of them :)

Sent From My SPH-D700 Running Android 4.0 :sly:
[Epic 4G General] Vizzo:
I use the Epic Touch battery. I'm not saying anything horrid against overclocking I'm just saying cm9 works for me smooth as butter and I've found no need for it. I don't even get lag playing games like GTA3 or MC3 so I don't have a need to stress the hardware or consume more battery. To each their own but my cm9 runs just fine as is.
[Epic 4G General] christophocles:
Yeah like Biggoron said the cheap chinese 3500mah battery is only $11 shipped. It does require an expanded battery cover and it probably doesn't reach its rated capacity but it's nice to have for those long excursions away from a charger. I may pick up one of the Touch batteries just to have something beefier that still fits in the slim profile. I have an official samsung car dock and its really sweet but it cant accomodate a fat battery.

I think both of my batteries are worn out though, they probably each receive a full 0% to 100% charge once a day for over a year now. Like I said, I use my phone a lot :p
[Epic 4G General] ÜBER™:
No no no I didn't say cheap chinese. Battery hyperion is a brand name product and comes with a 3 month warranty and they have really good customer support ie received a broken backing and they shipped me a whole new setup battery and all. 15$ is a solid price for this sucker it kicks arse.

Sent From My SPH-D700 Running Android 4.0 :sly:
[Epic 4G General] saramon:
On cm9... Quadrant is slower then crap, and only gets about a 1700 maxed out on 1500... Cpu portion is the slowest, which is odd
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
Its a benchmark not real outcomes that prove anything.
[Epic 4G General] adamdelozier:
Quadrant = Useless Information.

Running CM9, I get scores around 1800 and it runs smoother than the old EC05 ROMS when I was getting 3500's. Real world performance is all that matters.
[Epic 4G General] saramon:
Oh I know, if it runs good it is good, but Quad just makes it look pretty. It is not important, and is easily faked.
[Epic 4G General] christophocles:
Well I learned something about schedulers today.. Everyone should read this post if they aren't very familiar with I/O schedulers.

The gist of it is that schedulers are either optimized for throughput or latency. I had been using noop because I noticed the Amazon App store took a long time to load when I was on CFQ scheduler, but loaded much faster when I used noop. I also read that noop is best for flash memory devices because they have no seek time penalty like a spinning hard disk does.

Well, if you are multi tasking then there are other considerations. Will a background task slow down your UI responsiveness? if you are on a high throughput scheduler like noop, it will. The tasks run sequentially until they finish, so the phone will wait for something else to finish before swooshing the UI for you when you press it, resulting in noticeable lag.

So now I'm playing with BFQ scheduler cause that is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Makes sense for my usage, because I tend to multitask a lot. So far it feels very responsive and swooshy, lol. I might switch back to noop when I try to play a large game off the SD card. Or maybe I will end up with a middle-of-the-road scheduler like deadline for everyday use.. I dunno, it will take time to experiment with it.

UPDATE: So yeah, I tried BFQ, which was super snappy but loading some apps can take soooo long. Not only that, but once the phone gets bogged down enough with a lot of tasks, then it gets all scatterbrained working on tons of things all at once jumping from one to another, and EVERYTHING is slow including the UI, and none of the tasks ever finish. It pretty much locks up and requires a reboot at that point. I also tried SIO (not that responsive, not that fast either), and Deadline (same as SIO). I still prefer noop. It just lets my phone 'concentrate' and finish each task more quickly so I don't have to wait on it as much. Its like ritalin for my phone, lol. And there is not that much ill effect on the UI lag.
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
I was using noop/sio then switched to bfq. I'm liking bfq better specially when playing streaming video, or HD content.
[Epic 4G General] paullueders223:
I'm curious, I read through the thread and looked around and was wondering if there's a preferred kernel/app combo for overclocking? I used to overclock awhile ago but I kept screwing it up and causing force closes, I was using setcpu then. More recently I tried using voltage control in the samurai kernel on my CM9, but only to undervolt the cpu. Now Samurai is gone so I am tossed up between shadow kernel and Shuriken. If I can find a good match I plan on undervolting all my cpu steps again and overclocking/undervolting to 1.2 ghz. Any pointers? I'm currently on CM9 Alpha 5, using Shuriken for Voodoo color, with the epic touch battery.
[Epic 4G General] christophocles:
I am still on alpha 4 and Samurai Kernel, but I like to use Voltage Control. I haven't had much luck with undervolting, but overclocking works well. It also allows me to change the scheduller, which you can't do in SetCPU, and it gives you a 15 second window to cancel applying the profile when you boot up.

I don't know which kernel I will use if Samurai doesn't come back soon. Samurai was the most feature-complete kernel IMO. Not just OC/UV, but also TUN/CIFS, USB Audio redirection for the Samsung Dock, Voodoo Sound/Color, and recently I noticed Voodoo Sound even works WITH the audio redirected over USB which I did not think was even possible. Shadow looked like the next best option, but it was missing a few things I need so I haven't even tried it yet. I just want the best kernel regardless of any minor GPL issues or b.s. political disputes, tbh. I also think OC/UV, dock audio, and TUN/CIFS should be in the official epiccm9 kernel in the first place; that would negate the need for 90% of us to even use a third party kernel.
[Epic 4G General] paullueders223:
Just looked at their thread in XDA, they're moved to their own website and seem to still be hosting and developing the kernel! Here's the site http://indandroidprj.zxq.net/#
[Motorola Droid 3] tacosrdelicioso:
Because AOKP ICS is so much further than cm9 would it be possible to port that instead?
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
Link to aokp thread ? Does it have camera or video working on locked bootloaders yet? If so that's all we need
[Motorola Droid 3] tacosrdelicioso:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1402350

[ROM] Android Open Kang Project - toro - build 23

I meant far as in more customizations to ics like dif lockscreens and all kinds of stuff
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
I sent the original poster a PM to see if the D3 could be added officially soon.
[Motorola Droid 3] somemadcaaant:
Nice work.

-smc
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
Hashcode posts up on twitter: He's testing an AOKP rom for the D3!

https://twitter.com/#!/Hashcode0f/status/170996713249714178

But he says it needs some work:

https://twitter.com/#!/Hashcode0f/status/171016508242272256
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
F*ck yes!! Hash is a monster!! He's doing the CM9 port for, what, 4 Moto devices?? And now he has AOKP booting?! Savage I tell you! Hash is absolutely amazing! :D

D3 CM9 Alpha 7
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
LOL, yep 4. D3, Bionic, RAZR, and now D4.

and the fact that hes gotten AOKP on the D3 while working on CM9 is amazing.
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
And I think he's still maintaining his CM7 build as well, plus two different recoveries for all the devices you listed. His commitment to the cause is amazing!

D3 CM9 Alpha 7
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
It is pretty shocking he has committed to doing all of this.
[Motorola Droid 3] jojo4747:
The guy is spoiling us :)
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
Im pretty sure he's abandoned cm7. There hasn't been a new build since he started cm9
[Motorola Droid 3] cappysw10:
I say let CM7 go, on to AOKP! Go hash go!
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
Ya but its kinda sad to see cm7 almost done, and then left to collect dust
[Motorola Droid 3] mikedyk43:
Agreed! I'm sure CM7 would have had been fully functional by now if Hash or another Dev had decided to finish it. Here's another scary thought, I read that Google is supposed to be releasing Jelly Bean (Android 5.0) in the second quarter of this year. If this is true, there would be a new OS before even a hand full of devices are even running ICS.
[Motorola Droid 3] AragornPE:
Yep, it would be finished, and we all would be begging for him to start to work on a ICS build.

CM7 is nice, but CM9 is nicer

Also, I'm starting to think Hash is Legion, for he is many (jk)

Keep the good work man!

M3

Liberty v3.0
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
From what I've read we're likely to be introduced to jellybean in Q2 but its too recent since ics.
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
If that were to really happen I have a feeling there would be a lot of unhappy Galaxy Nexus owners...
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
^^I agree. There was so much hype surrounding the 4.0 OS that it seems both doubtful and (if true) disappointing that Google would be too shortsighted/trigger-happy, to actually let the OS mature a bit first, before pumping out another release. I've owned Android devices for better or worse, since the OG Droid, and I have to say that the evolution of the platform has been staggering...but I'm at a loss as to how the OS could really get SIGNIFICANTLY better than this. It's just my opinion, but I think 4.x is close to perfect...in the past, I could see clearly, how Eclair, Froyo, or GB could be improved, but ICS really has it all. I just think it would be terribly irresponsible of both Google and manufacturers, to support the release of a new OS this soon...
[Motorola Droid 3] mikedyk43:
From what I read, the biggest new features are supposed to be Android's own version of NFC and compatibility with netbooks, laptops, desktops..... I agree it is too early for another release, but perhaps the extra features that are supposed to be included are too significant to just be an update to say 4.05.
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
That's a valid point. I'm just getting slightly concerned about the rapid pace of both OS development, and handset manufacturing. A lot of us here like to be on the "bleeding edge" so to speak, but with new devices being released every 5 months (Droid 3 to Droid 4 being the best example), certain devices become almost irrelevant overnight, and we don't get opportunities to enjoy the current incarnation of the platform, before a new one rolls out. Thankfully, we have devs, like Hash, who are breaking themselves to allow us to extend the shelf life of our device.
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
I agree, Google should wait for another major release. I mean the Android 4.0 operating system is only on ONE device officially and they have got to be out of their mind if they think anything good could come from releasing Android 5.0.

Also all of the customers of the Galaxy Nexus and other devices slated to get an upgrade to Android 4.0 will not be happy to know that their manufacturer is providing an update to a platform that was overlapped by Google themselves.

I can tell this will not bring good publicity to Google. Everybody would be pointing there eyes back at Google for releasing a new OS after one is barely going across ANY android devices officially.

I too am a bit concerned about this as well. I think its more frequently dependent on the development of the actual Android platform, so much as the devices being manufactured.

It really depends on what manufacturer you're talking about. HTC for example has admitted they released too many devices and plan on focusing on increasing the quality of their devices, software and hardware wise.

If you're talking about Motorola however, they just pump out the devices as quick as they can design them. This whole "money collection via device purchases" (as I like to call it) started with the DROID X2.

Think of this timeline for their releases on Verizon since May of last year.

DROID X2 - May

DROID 3 - July

DROID Bionic - September

DROID Razr (original) - November

DROID Razr Maxx - January

DROID 4 - February

These all have TWO MONTHS in between releases for all of these devices except for the Razr Maxx and D4. It's all just a thing for collecting money and I have my doubts the X2 or D3 may even complete Motorola's upgrade cycle for ICS. This wouldn't surprise me and we may only get ICS via these ROM's like Hashcode or I are creating for the D3. All these devices are still fairly new and Motorola doesn't seem to care about making the device worth buying since the software the Bionic and D3 that shipped with them is already outdated by the newer versions on the RAZR's and D4.

IMO, Motorola needs to SLOW DOWN with releases or I can see people not purchasing their devices just solely based on the fact they keep outdating phones quickly.
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
he makes a point. apples one thing is consistensty. Their OS looks appealing but its only the dev community that makes it powerful. Our OS is naturally powerful and the dev community makes it 'appeal' to those who like the visual aspects. Each company (Samsung, motoroloa, LG, HTC) could all have an apple competitor phones if they simply concentrated on one phone and making it great. Motorola could go with keyboards. samsung screens, lg a lowend/highend type of thing, and htc speciallize in media) or atleast have one phone each year that they concentrated on most, and realse it once a year [srping would be best] and then give it all the media attention. This would make all of them able to compete with apple.
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
If Motorola were to concentrate on one device in the current market that would be one of the shocks of life. It is truly the development community of all of these devices that makes the owner get the best out of their phone.
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
These are all really good points. We can piss and moan all we want, but manufacturers will keep pumping out devices, and we'll probably keep consuming them like Skittles. In my opinion, the WORST move ever made was the OG Galaxy Tab... I bought it a month after it came out, thinking it was going to be epic; it's a great device, and there's some decent dev work going on for it, but Samsung shipped that thing, intending for it to be DOA (dead on arrival). Even though it's a proven powerhouse of a device (I see Quadrant scores around and just over 3000 on the CM9 build), Samsung threw it into the market as a "feeler", to gauge the public response to Android tablet devices, with little/no intention of ever updating the thing. Turns out, I bought a $600 as-is device, under the assumption that it would be supported, and the next thing you know, there's a new line of SGT devices. That was the most epic manufacturer fail of all time I think.

Honestly, I could care less about the variety of devices out there, but they need to be supported, and they need to not be redundant... the Bionic and D3 are essentially the same device, just +/- the keyboard, the Razr, Razr Maxx, and D4 all look the same (haven't checked specs though), and don't even get me started on the poor people who bought the Atrix. The Xoom has been repackaged to include a "family" edition (whatever the hell that means), the Xyboard is out, and the Xoom 2 is on the way... variety is great, but how many of those devices are seeing regular OTAs (say one every 4 months), and how many will still be relevant by June? If carriers and manufacturers just updated these devices (and I mean OS updates, not maintenance patches), like they're supposed to (for a duration of 18 months, post release), then I wouldn't really have a problem...but they don't.

If Jellybean (awful name btw) IS going to drop, I would almost bet money on a summer release, on a Verizon quad core tablet, and then a series of excuses as to why the OS isn't ready for phones yet. Honeycomb proved one thing to Google and device makers...that we are rabid about getting what we want (see all the HC ports as evidence), and the same is starting to happen with ICS. I think they're seriously threatened by the great, progressive developers our community has (because YOU extend our device shelf life!), and are responding by amping up production across the board.

In any event, I've raved like a mad man for long enough... I would love it if a mod could move these last few posts to a separate thread, because I think it's a conversation worth having...but how about that AOKP port?! Sounds like a great idea, yes?! ;)

D3 droidian1441 ICS 4.0.4
[Motorola Droid 3] tacosrdelicioso:
Idk if uve been living under a rock but the port is out haha hash mustve thought it was a cool idea too
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
I thought he just had it booting, and was testing it!! If he released it, I'll definitely check it out. Must have missed his tweet while I was test driving droidian's ROM today.

D3 droidian1441 ICS 4.0.4
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
Damn, the Galaxy Tab story was the most epic fail by a manufacturer I've seen in a while. The owners of the Atrix were probably planning a mob at the Motorola Mobility HQ lol!

But the way Motorola updates devices is just sad and very very disappointing. Google or any other manufacturer doesn't even use the Google Update Alliance (the 18-month rule for updates). It was long and forgotten about during its first couple weeks of life.

But take it into the fact of how Motorola updates the phones with maintenance releases. It didn't take that long for Moto to release a bugfix for the D3, which actually just arose more problems; but with the way Motorola failed to update the DROID Bionic to its 5.5.893 update was very disappointing.

They took 3 months to fix an update up, and it didn't even help the Bionic owners half the time! They have to rebuild another update for it to actually correct and/or fix what needed to be fixed. Their timing for the updates, OS or maintenance, is just awful and it doesn't seem to help the devices' performance half the time.

Motorola really needs to learn to update devices and actually improve its performance. They need to learn they have customers and that once ya make a promise you provide information and expected timings for updates, etc...

Go on Motorola's Facebook page and count how many posts AND comments you see that involves unlocking the bootloaders on these devices. Try to not find at least 20, I dare you. :cool:
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
That's the crux isn't it? If they pushed VZW (or any carrier) to allow the unlocked bootloader, I wouldn't give a sh!t if they never updated the device. My phones and tablets come out of the box, and get rooted immediately, and honestly, I trust the devs here to deliver more frequent, and higher quality updates, versus the donkeys working at Moto. It's sad that all/most of you guys who develop here, don't get paid, yet are more forward-thinking than the people at Moto, HTC, or Samsung. I'm firmly convinced that I'm going to ride out my contract with my D3, but my next device will be a Nexus of some kind... It kinda sucks, because I'll miss my keyboard, but whatever. Lol.
[Motorola Droid 3] droidian1441:
I would want the phone to be updated even with the unlocked bootloader.

But thats just me. :D
[Motorola Droid 3] bgarlock:
"Release early, release often"
[Motorola Droid 3] MrObvious:
I think you guys forget Google is taking over Moto.
[Motorola Droid 3] jjhiza:
^^I'm guardedly optomistic about this. The takeover could be great IF Google insist on policy change at Moto, but I feel the purchase was made, strictly in an attempt to aquire Motorola's 120+ patents/licenses, so Google could better protect the global interests/development of the Android platform. :/

D3 AOKP
[Motorola Droid 3] redsox985:
I can't agree more. Quite frankly, what mobile device is going to be able to utilize 4 cores in a quad core phone? It's just absurd. I wouldn't mind being with my D3 for 2 years (although I would like 4G since it's all over my area), if I had access to my bootloader to flash the phone completely. The fact that we NEED a rom to get even the necessary battery life is crazy because of how Moto and VZW bog us down with crap. All of the tweaks devs here do can't be foreign to the Moto devs, why aren't they incorporated. Android is WORLDS more powerful than any of the stock roms, but they're not built to be powerful.

What all this boils down to...I'm bidding Moto adieu as I head over to a Samsung device. Whether it's a S3 (suspected to be quad core) or a GNex, it will have plenty of power for a mobile device. At a point, quadrant scores become irrelevant to me because you're comparing really fast to blazing fast and it's just not noticeable. If I have a 1.5Ghz overclocked dual core phone in my pocket and a 2.1 Ghz dual core laptop, I'm pretty damn satisfied.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] poo-tang:
This works on Arc and also will work on Neo and can be used with the Playstation suite = Neo thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1498625 :)

Orig thread = http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1498590
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] leosdelmal:
I tried the xbox 360 wired controller and didnt work. It said something like "to much power consumption" over the usb OTG
[HTC Rezound] KeithRVA:
I have a Rezound and love it except for the battery life. Verizon is offering me a Certified Pre-owned phone of my choice without signing a contract. The Bionic looks like the best one available, for $149.99. It uses the same size 4G sim card as my Rez? I can just swap back and forth if so. Would this be a solid backup phone? It has a couple cool things like a dedicated hdmi port and the lap dock option. Worth the buck fifty?
[HTC Rezound] tbgreen89:
No stay away from that pos. That's what I came from.
[HTC Rezound] mjh68:
It has had some updates to fix some of the issues, my suggestion would be to check the bionic forums and see how people feel it is working now. So how did you work that out to get offered another phone without contract plus keep the Rezound ? Curious, because I would love to have another phone to mess around with myself ;)
[HTC Rezound] KeithRVA:
I bought the Rez used, and the Verizon rep put insurance on my account when he activated my sim card. Turns out that is not an option for used phones, so I whined and moaned about not having a warranty on a 3 month old phone, and they offered me the CPO device. I can use it whenever, too! Might just wait for a Nexus to show up and sell it :)
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
def keep the rezound... with the right settings i get great battery life
[HTC Rezound] nrage23:
I had a Bionic aswell and it is a piece of junk. Battery life is about the same, screen is horrible, and the camera is pathetic.
[HTC Rezound] mjh68:
Not to steal the topic.. what type of settings do you use for battery ?

p.s. Nexus would be fun , but seems like it has issues as well
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
well there is a few... i have 4g off mostly and enable mobile data always "off".. i set wifi scan to 3 mins (find a app to do this its in the build prop). And im using an app https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5hbnR1dHUucG93ZXJzYXZlciJd

this got me

but now its going down faster so i think i have an app thats using my battery now
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
I've heard horrid stories about the Bionic, stay away from it, get about any other newer phone other than it if you really want something other than the Rezound.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I had a bionic shortly, if there has ever been a bigger POS I'm not sure what it would be (although the nexus is close)