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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lafester:
My guess is we have the final already. Since sprint has been busy with gs3 we're just waiting for them to announce it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] M1nze:
and u probably believe we still gonna die in december. :laugh:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hrffd:
I feel like we all need to stay on topic. So I'm going to to out and ask, how is FF18 and ICS coming along? I've been on AOKP for a while now. Can't wait for source to make this AOKP fox a beast.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Phantoms rom is beautiful!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nirvashone:
The Japanese business model at work.

Patent **** that is someone else's I.P. and tell them to F. O.

I have wingz
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
Lol except Apple is an American company (that has all of it's labor performed in China)...

Palm = American

Motorola = American

Samsung = South Korean

LG = South Korean

Pantech = South Korean

Huawei = Chinese

HTC = Taiwanese

RIM = Canadian

Nokia = Finish

Kyocera = Japanese

Sanyo = Japanese

Sony = Japanese

Out of all of these Motorola, Apple, Samsung and Palm (now HP) hold the largest amount of mobile patents. Out of all of these the majority of the patents being used under FRAND licensing belong to Motorola and Palm. Apple just likes to take other people's stuff and sue them for being to similar to what they are doing, even though they don't own the actual patents for them...

Either way your analysis of Apple's business model itself is pretty accurate. ;)

EDIT: Another interesting tid-bit? Apple apparently wants to push themselves out of business. Samsung makes every chip used in the iPhone, iPod and iPad. Samsung is also there largest supplier of screens (LCD and such). Then Apple turns around and sues Samsung? Uh...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
They've been suing Samsung for a while. People have been saying this a lot but it hasn't happened yet. I doubt they'd want to give up the ridiculous amount of money they get from Apple
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
True but there is just so much irony in their strange relationship. Lol any other business in the world would think twice before doing that. But I guess Apple plays by their own rules...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] scarmon25:
Didn't Google buy Motorola and absord their patents?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
Sort of. They bought them but are leaving them as an independent company (except for when they need a patent to counter-sue Apple). Either way Motorola and Google both are still US companies.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] scarmon25:
If I was google. I would ban apple from using any of Motorola patents then if I was Samsung I wouod cut off apple from using any of my products in their sales products. Then just sit back and watch apple curmble.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
:Homer Simpson: Mmmmmm... Apple crumble...uhhhhhhh.....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
lol now that makes me want dessert
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
How does this hurt all the carriers that carry devices from all the other manufacturers I wonder? I mean take Sprint for example. They carry the iPhone, GSIII, and the Evo lte, so I'm thinking they would want to sell more than just the iPhone right? Or maybe carriers would be happy selling just one device. I'm thinking not.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nhfi:
anyone having trouble getting voice mail msgs with ff18?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
Not at all. U still have visual voicemail?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nhfi:
Yes i have it but im not getting any notifications..and then i reboot and get a bunch but then dont get them again. its very erratic..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BrandoKC:
I'm not having any issues. You may want to try a fresh install.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
Sounds frustrating. Did u actually try calling it from ur phone yet?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nhfi:
did a fresh install last night same problem today :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Sounds like a data connection issue. Have you tried another modem?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wcr84:
Just forget an official OTA anytime soon. They are to busy fixing bugs and messing with the new S3 to care about this phone.Ths will be one of those deals where you might see the official update around Halloween. You can forget an official Jellybean.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jwalk74:
And your source for this is....?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
pfffft! You can't take anyone who can't figure out the proper usage of to, too, and two, or grammar and spell check seriously. LOL! :evil:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SkuzFoz:
They wouldn't have pulled everyone off of S2 development to work on the S3, with which the S2 guys are not accustomed.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wcr84:
Who needs sources? I haven't seen anyone else make an accurate prediction! Look at past data on how major Sprint updates went out to devices and you will see that they repeatedly fail at getting the update out. I will do some digging and gladly make a graph to prove my point.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wcr84:
By the way i'm not trying to be a jerk. I am just expressing my opinion. I do not believe that there is a S2 team anymore. The idea of that would be unprofitable.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
U still think we will get an official ota or is the line drawn?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
We'll get an official ICS OTA, but I agree that an official JB OTA is probably a little unlikely, however I would love to be wrong.

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Yay, I love graphs! :good:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mideastbeast:
This reminds me of the OG Epic when people said it would never get Froyo. Then when we finally got it some people said "consider yourself lucky but you'll never get Gingerbread". Now it has Gingerbread.

Not saying the ET4G will get Jelly Bean but it might ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
Hope ur right. But a couple pages back someone quoted me saying it doesn't cost Sprint to make Samsung's code which is true but it will cost Sprint money to push it to our devices and probably quite a bit. I had the evo 3d a couple months back and they still haven't gotten it either but the gsm users have. All I'm saying is every other carrier came through even with them also releasing new devices, cuz everyone likes to use that as an excuse, and here we are with nothing.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Your assumption is partially valid. There more than likely isn't AN S2 team anymore. That is likely because Sprint is content with the changes made to FF18 by Samsung on Sprint's behalf. I wouldn't expect any changes or fixes prior to OTA. My guess is that any bugs that are found will be fixed via an OTA patch similar to EL29 and everyone will be as happy with ICS as they are with GB. I will be completely blown away if they skip the patch and work towards a JB upgrade instead, but considering ICS is a transitional OS, it is possible, though unlikely.

I know the source I had was pulled from the S2 shortly before the builds with Sprint's requested tweaks. This leads me to believe that Samsung and Sprint deemed the build complete save a few requested adjustments that didn't require Samsung's testing.

Basically what I'm saying here, is that you can't make an accurate prediction on when Sprint/Samsung will release this because they are withholding it. They want to optimize sales of the S3 before releasing the OTA. Is the S3 even in stores?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kevmo1965:
I had read somewhere that Google was requiring manufacturers to support a device with current o/s updates for 18 months after they were brought to market.

I will try to link to the source.

EDIT: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-clarifies-18-month-android-upgrade-program-details-far-f/

Jelly Bean is well within the 18 month plan...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
We will also be getting 4.0.4 and not 4.0.3 like all other devices on all other carriers. What's the .0.0.1 difference? So far, about 3 weeks and counting, LOL!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elrey75:
Droid razr maxx on Verizon got 4.0.4
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Really? I was unaware. I'm guessing they wouldn't have the same build numbers to compare? My guess would be their variants version of FE22 or FF02.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
Galaxy S2 came out in May of 2011. If Samsung holds to that agreement, required support ends in November. I doubt any current device besides the nexus will have JB by then
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elliwigy:
Sprints version came out september.. Not in may
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
Doesn't matter as far as the upgrade promise is concerned. It's a galaxy s 2. The gs2 came out in May

Carriers aren't part of the upgrade promise, only manufacturers

That's why I love xda :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
Don't we need carriers to push it? Kinda useless otherwise.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elliwigy:
Yea lol.. Looks lime well have the god particle before ics.. Lol.. I bet they are holding it off just long enough for the window to b over to not give us jb
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
The point Wizard Knight was getting at was that the release date of a carriers specific variant isn't applicable to Google's 18 month term upgrade service agreement. It pertains to the release of that device line in general. So the first GS2 released started the countdown. I believe ours was the last released, so we'll get the shortest lifespan of the deal. Same with GS3. International variant started the countdown. Any variant after already has their clock ticking. I hope that helps clarify some things.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dr. Fed:
You mean the Higgs boson?

Imagine getting JB on our phone. If 4.1 can make the TI OMAP faster than the S3, imagine what ours will do.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elliwigy:
Lol yea the higgs boson.. And i kno what u were talking about wizard.. Was just thinking totally different.. Just got off work after dealing with cellular postpaid, prepaid and walmart prepaid customers lol. I was thinking this is the sprint variant release date.. I understand that google has the os that samsung uses so it has nothing to do with sprint. Sprint needs to get on the ball.. Isnt sprint one of the first customers to get the sgs3? Maybe there learning :-).
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
Sprint and manufacturers have been moving in a better direction in my opinion. And with Google releasing the pdk, I suspect updates after jb will be faster across the board. But you know what they say, "the night is darkest right before the dawn". I think we'll have to put up with crap for about another year or so.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
Even if they go by actual phone model release date of May 2011, then our phones are still supported until November of this year which is plenty of time for both ICS and JB OTAs. (In my dreams at least lol)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ebuc:
I can't help but visit this thread every single day.

Hoping for a new rdf or at least some ota news.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Cjunior:
came on FF19 .... :) LoL
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] so1285:
:highfive:

Same here. I joined specifically because I joined the android herd only this year (late adopter...thanks to the stupid 2 year contracts with AT&T and acute disdain for the service to even consider upgrading). I've been pretty much refreshing this thread for the off chance that someone will somehow know something about the update. Impatience is getting painful (or that's just my stomach complaining).

FWIW, I had a little chat with a Sprint representative who was MOST helpful :rolleyes: while discussing something else about my account. According to the representative, we can expect any information regarding upgrades on sprint.com/newsroom! Apparently that's what they're given as their scripted answer now. Anyone get a different answer?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
I was told July 12 by Sprint tech support, but that was probably just to get me off of the phone. Wish I had something more concrete.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sniper:
Sprint tech support is always right :D

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
Getting JB on our phones may happen sooner than you think...

http://twitter.com/MijjahzRomz/status/219996105843277824

:D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
As I've said, the devs that support this device are as amazing as the device itself. I'm not surprised they've already started porting it over or that this device can handle/run it. I'd imagine that it's more than capable especially after delving into the GS3(2.5) specs.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
I have to imagine that once we get ics source, devs can work on jb. It's only an incremental update, so I want to hope that the kernel sources are the same
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
That's an excellent point. I hadn't thought of them being THAT similar, but it makes sense.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Keep us entertained ;):beer:

Whoops didn't see the post above from earlier :P

http://forums.team-nocturnal.com/showthread.php/930-ROM-PORT-Jelly-Bean-E4GT-Alpha-1?p=10143#post10143
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mideastbeast:
Not sure how reliable this is but it says we won't be getting an official JB upgrade due to hardware limitations on this phone. If that's the case will the devs still be able to create a fully working finished product? Noob question I guess?

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/358731/20120702/samsung-galaxy-s2-android-4-1-jelly.htm
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Check out the link I posted and the one before me. And your question shall be answered
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lafester:
well they say jb needs quad core when clearly it doesn't.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] scarmon25:
Just want to point on out something I saw in that article. Says at first the sgs2 won't get it. Then says the Galaxy Nexus and SGS2 are two devices that will get it. Then says that the Sgs2 needs better hardware but yet the nexus s is going to get it.

I don't think I would put to much weight into that.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cob11341:
Samsung is just to lazy and doesn't want to spend more time and money porting it to our phone. Hopefully devs can port it to our phone, because our phone is capable of running JB.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
The writer does seem confused, but one thing I feel worth pointing out, the US variant of the S3 is only a dual-core. Making the case that the S2 won't be capable of running it strictly on the processor specs is just preposterous. Screen resolution could be an issue though.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ArgyleDX:
The article you linked to cites this article as a source:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/s...-android-4-1-jellybean-due-to-hardware-77519/

Note that nowhere in there is a source from Samsung or elsewhere mentioned, it looks like it is complete speculation from the author.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] reddragon72:
I'm not worried about what people on blogs speculate. Once Sammy says whats up then we will go from there. But my old source buddy did say the base GS2 in his lab is sporting a JB build right now.

Remember that Google released the Hardware SDK called PDK which will make it super easy to develop the drivers for hardware. So now with the PDK and SDK in sync it should, theoretically, only take a few months to drum up an update to the next version and Android.

But lets remember that we may no longer see leaks from Sammy since they upped their security on the test ROMS. So for all we know they may have a JB build on all GS2 variants.

I am also hoping that the PDK/SDK combo will help the devs here churn out some really killer roms and fix some of the official ROM's short comings.

So now it's just a wait and see, but I'm sure we will see something good soon, and we know one dev is already up to the task :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wraith404:
The author also speculates that the E4GT isn't getting ICS, so apparently they have their sports writer pulling double duty as a tech writer... I'd take anything this genius writes with a 5lb box of salt.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/s...-sandwich-upgrade-not-coming-to-sprint-77382/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] reddragon72:
Nope because the Galaxy S is getting it. So the res idea is out the door.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lafester:
I'm running jb on my gsm nexus and its pretty damn smooth.

My guess is if it's an easy update sprint will go ahead any release it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
Also, as an FYI - This is currently being tested and results are looking promising! :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Sprint won't have a say if Samsung never developes it for the phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
How do you get on the testing team? I threw my name into the hat with a reply post, but there's no download link on the page. :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
Unfortunately they are still in the Alpha phase and testing is limited to the developer and his right hand guy. Last I heard they were having enough issues they weren't ready to roll it out to their Beta testers. I'm sure they'll be rolling it out to their Beta testers here shortly. At that point it'll be pretty quick getting it out en masse. If I see anything I'll send you a PM. :highfive:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Appreciate it. If I can skip ICS and go straight to JB, I'll mess myself, LOL!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dark_Knight2:
I really hope we get JB instead of ICS from Samsuck. Call it wishful thinking my part :(

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] metayoshi:
You mean the Nexus S is getting it, and the Nexus S definitely has inferior hardware to the Galaxy S II.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
You do understand Jelly Bean will be coming to us via Samsuck (your word) just like ICS, right?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
Why do you think that? Not trying to debunk, honestly curious
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dark_Knight2:
I hope so. I dished out a pretty penny for this device and with samsungs horrible update track record...well you get what Im saying. Ive been holding my breath for OTA Ics but I may end up rooting this soon.

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
Because all our upgrades for this phone come via Samsung, unless I've missed something. I assume they get the initial build from Google, they tweak it to fit Samsung devices then pass it on to Sprint for carrier tweaking (or do it themself at Sprint's request/direction).

I believe the only phones getting Android updates directly from Google are the ones in the Nexus line, which ours is not.

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Lordy you haven't rooted yet? What are you waiting for!? lol Rooting is where all the fun is at, even once source is released the rooted phones running custom ROMs (enhanced by source) are going to blow right by the stock ICS phones.

Chop chop! :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Why would they have wasted all of the money, development and testing they have done just to NOT release ICS? And please, be careful what you wish for. JB could run like diarrhea on this phone. You don't want diarrhea for a phone, do you?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
ewwwwwwwwwww :eek:

I had to spit out my gum lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
She means that if it is an official update, it will have to come to us via "Samsuck"
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
Oh, right, sorry didn't read that thoroughly enough. Thanks Tray, this somewhat makes up for that diarrhea comment. lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Hey, I don't want a diarrhea phone either! :D And I'm pretty sure Dark_Knight2 was referring to an official release as well.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
That was my thinking, I think, although I'm not really sure anymore. lol I'm so glad tomorrow is a holiday, now if only I could've talked my boss into closing Thursday and Friday as well.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
First you were messing on yourself now you have the Hersey's.. Talk about a bad day...

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
I was messing myself with the Hershey's. The two problems are the same.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
Blahaahahaa..

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
:eek:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jpkelly05:
You all know that we will get JB no matter what. Even if it is an unofficial ROM of CyanogenMod 9 or will that be 9.1? How does that work? Look at the Original EVO. It supposedly is not hardware capable of ICS, yet I have it on mine. I take speculation with a grain of salt. The real question is "how smoothly will it operate?" ICS on my EVO is OK but is missing a few things. This is due to the lack of Source but I like it anyways, even if it doesn't support hardware acceleration and a few other tidbits. The next question is "How many of us will hate not having Flash?" I could care less, but some of us enjoy porn, and other sites that are flash intensive.

It will be interesting to see what phones come out or are announced around Q1 next year. I am betting those phones will be head spinners.

Meanwhile, lets worry about one thing at a time.... ICS Source for this phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dark_Knight2:
Lol. You guys are a funny bunch. I am actually new to android in general. Im a linux guy. Ive got a firm understanding of linux coding. I had a crackberry before this device.

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
I only recently got my son parted from his crapberry, he resisted right up to the bitter end but after he'd used his android phone for like, 2 hours, he was all "wow, I like this!". Hello, duh! Mom always knows best. :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] leaderbuilder:
"...Hello, duh! Mom always knows best." Nice!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dark_Knight2:
Im starting to come around to it. Lol. I like the fact that android kernel code is linux.

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EggosEvo:
Hey I haven't rooted yet either! Although I'm taking the plunge now. I'm not sure whether or not to go with EL29 or skip straight to FF18(although I don't know if there's a No Data OC for FF18 so I don't lose any files). Maybe I'll just go FF11. I'm not sure. Any suggestions?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bigtoysrock:
Or you can go back to that thread and checkout the info again ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
EL29
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] someguyatx:
Start with rooting what you have now el29 and go from there. First apps to download after rooted, adblockers.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EggosEvo:
Thanks!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
And Titanium Backup. You don't have to get the paid version, but it's nice. You can freeze those pesky bloatware apps in GB that you can later disable in ICS.

EDIT: Mobile Odin is really nice too, but that's a paid only app. Oh, and an explorer app. I use the paid version of Root Explorer, but there are free ones as well. TB and an explorer app are musts.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rwilco12:
BTR! It's good to see you outside the TN thread! We've missed you out here! :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
I'm on stock rooted FF18 and I love it. There is a no data version but u wouldn't get all the benefits of fresh install cuz u would have 2 conflicting os's. Do what u want but I would never recommend flashing over another rom with an os change like that. But everyone is right. Get root with EL29, back everything up, and go from there. Grab cwm too while ur at it. Instructions should be right there is ur using sfhubb's stuff.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
:)

Sometimes he even remembers that :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
Anyone grab the new Spiderman game? It's pretty sweet and runs great on our device.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
I'm a strong believer in "in for a penny, in for a pound", in other words, go all out and grab FF18. It may (or may not lol) end up being the OTA build anyway and you'll get a jump on familiarizing yourself with all the fun features. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dark_Knight2:
I wish that was the case with my wife. She went from a blackberry bold to a iphone 4s. I went from a blackberry curve to a Samsung Epic Touch 4G. She regrets it. I find it hilarious. :cool:

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