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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
lol ok not a great device for you then. But not everyone uses a dock. I dont and dont really care for one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
There is another eco system with similar characteristics. The PC. 100s of h/w manufacturers. Fragmentation all over the place and only the "geeks" knew how to do stuff. But i'd say the PC market was/is pretty big. I think Android can be/is equally successful. s/w UI things dont matter as long as we get unlocked bootloaders and can flash what ever we want.

And h/w? Well this whole thing just started and is rolling very fast. Most games are ports from iOS... I dont know much about programing, but why cant google just make something like DirectX for Android? A unfied API that works with all chipsets?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Um, this is the point of it being built from Java, no? Android uses it's own VM or whatever, but isn't the point of Java and subsequently Android to be able to run on practically any h/w given it can run the needed s/w?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Timberline:
agree but until/unless Samsung releases a tablet with a SDHC port I'm not looking at them (even though I'm quite happy w/ my Samsung phone ... and it does have an expansion port for microSD)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
AS i said i really dont know all that much about how these things are supposed to work :) I only see everyone talking about fragmentation and how software devs have to optimize software a dozen times so it would run on all devices... For example the Gameloft games. Maybe its because they port it over from iOS? But there are usually 10 different versions of Gameloft games for all the different SOCs.

But what you wrote sounds great. In theory? :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
I have less of an issue (although I would still prefer to have one) with the lack of an SD/microSD port just due to the fact that so many things are "going cloud" so to speak, and I'm moving towards having everything accessible at home, that local storage is not as much of an issue. I have a 32gb card in my atrix and the only stuff on it is ROMs.

My biggest gripes about the g-tab/prime are the proprietary connectors and lack of micro/mini USB capable of client and host on the tablet itself
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-transformer-2-tablet-benchmarks-leak-with-tegra-3-16213876/

Think and debate at however you like...

I wonder how Asus will price this device if 7 in. Tegra 3 is $250.. and Prime is $500..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
This is not new news. I already knew that the tf-300 is a replacement of OG transformer. Although it has tegra3, its specs overall will be dumbed down compared to Prime. Most likely will take a hit on display. Probably regular ips display to keep down on costs. Other things also. Plus made of plastic vs. Metal.

Memo a low end device,Tf-300 A mid level device. Prime will be Premium. New tf-700 ultra premium. Either way this is all good for Nvidia. Once these start shipping out, it'll put Asus n Nvidia n better standings. With those 4 devices, plus Lenovo, Acer, and phones. We are already looking at numerous devices using Nvidia tegra3.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CycleGeek:
Since I was buying the Prime for Tegra 3 and not for a 1920 x 1200 display, this thing'll do nicely. Can't imagine what was going through the head of whoever decided that doing all these engineering gymnastics was a good idea to get to a metal back - you're not looking at the back of the dang thing when you use it!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
actually, asus generated a lot of positive press over how good the tablet looked on initial launch... before people actually tried to use it.

so yeah, that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dorianteal:
IMHO, the Prime is an opportunity to have hw that is still months ahead of its time. As long as you don't need a 10 inch GPS, find a prime that works for you and run with it. Until they are on the shelves, I won't believe any new Tegra 3 devices will be out til June.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Nvidia won't be happy if your forecast is correct.

Acer A510 just went through FCC.. and projected to be released in March for Europe. So.. based on that.. March seems to be a good month to see some "alternative" Tegra 3 devices.

The reason why I linked TF300.. is because.. as rumor & according to Demandrin.. it'll be low tier version of Prime..

However, it'll at least have:

1gig RAM

10.1 in. Display (720p resolution)

8g/16gb Storage space (maybe even 32gb)

Camera (do you really care?)

Few other essentials that come with Android tablets (WIFI,GPS,Bluetooth)

Possibly MicroHDMI/miniHDMI

So, if you exclude say.. IPS+ display & less storage space.. with Plastic back (and probably cost less)...

Which is more enticing to you?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CycleGeek:
I dunno - I find it hard to believe that nvidia gave Asus 100% of the first six month's output of Tegra 3 chips*. Plus with the iPad 3 coming out in March, anyone that goes with the older generation of Tegra2-level processors will have to face the prospect of selling zero tablets for three months. That's gotta be a scary prospect.

I'd say it's about 60/40 that Asus is trying to turn the page on the TF201 and move to the TF700 + TF300 + the 7" tablet. A $399 price on the 32GB TF300 would do a lot to present a suitable value proposition that would also soothe a lot of the ruffled feathers here, plus it would be a good starting point relative to the $250 7" tab.

*Unless they meant for all of us to pay $500 to be beta testers, which might have been an unintended consequence. :)

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Fine with me. Big display = more overhead for the GPU, lower battery life... and these problems will increase by the square relative to the resolution. Humbug.

16GB is almost an insult - that's not even a couple of HD movies! It would hardly cost anything to get to 32GB. Much more than that, and the SD cards come in.

Agreed. As long as you can video conference with it I'm good. With USB host there's no need to futz around with an awesome camera built into an unwieldy metal case - you can use your DSLR or point & shoot and transfer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Yeah, it was my mistake. I thought Intel had bought nVidia shortly before AMD bought ATI. A co-worker corrected me, nVidia is still independent.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
Are there any prime alternatives that will come out soon?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Ill even go on record to say I have a feeling other tegra3 devices about to come out sooner than I originally thought. Actually alot of them. Market about to get flooded with them. We already know of at least 3 new Asus tablets coming out with it. Then you have Acer n Lenovo. That's 5 new tablets alone coming out with tegra3 chipset in them. NVIDIA about to be very happy again once all these start rolling out. This doesn't even include the phones coming out with tegra3 and other tablets we don't really know about too much yet. So things about to get popping for tegra3. These new devices should drop before the other competing Android devices drop their new chipset. This will be a good head start. I think at MWC, Tegra3 will shine the most.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] h0kum:
When talking about TFP alternatives is everyone really that fussed about whether or not a tablet has Tegra3? The chipset is largely irrelevant, what matters is more tablets having hardware keyboards so they can be used like proper laptops as well. I think so far it's only Lenovo and Fujitsu that have announced tablets with keyboards.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
Update on TF300T

http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/wi...300T-Exposed-and-Detailed-Review-253445.shtml
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Edit: looking closer there is. Tf-300 confirmed to have only a regular IPS display. its tegra3 will be clocked at a lower speed at 1.2ghz. Slower type RAM than prime. Also less battery life at 8.5hrs. compared to prime 9.5hrs. plus it has the lowest battery life of all combined with dock..for only a Max of 12.5hrs. even less than OG transformer. prime + dock is rated at 18hrs. same for new tf-700 + dock. only available in 16gb. plus it has no flash at all. editor said that qualcomm chip on tf-700 spec was probably a typo or just may have been a test setup. several videos of tf-700 confirmed it to have a tegra3 already compared to this one source. alot of drawbacks to tf-300 though. plus another confirmation that tf-700 has the exact same metal back as prime except for plastic strip up top. the weights are basically the same for prime and tf-700. now compare that to the heavier OG transformer with plastic back and new tf-300 with plastic back. both of their weights are basically the same also.

so Prime and tf-700 are the Premium/High end products with tegra3.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Interesting. It doesn't say what Asus' long term intentions are though. Are they discontinuing the TF101? The Prime? They could build a dozen 10.1" tablets but that doesn't mean resellers will carry them all. They buy inventory in advance and wait to sell it. Stocking duplicative inventory whether similar competing devices or overlapping devices from the same manufacturer is avoided like the plague. B&M stores especially. Look at how few resellers stock the Xyboard. It's also not clear what country the chart represents so it might be a regional comparison.

Some thoughts...

I'm guessing all the new tablets from other manufacturers will too. So having a 600nit display is an advantage for Asus for people wanting to use their tablets outdoors.

XDA cares. The average consumer, not so much.

DDR3 is actually twice as fast the (LP)DDR2 in the Prime and TF700. It could explain some of the loss of battery life too.

"The primary benefit of DDR3 SDRAM over its immediate predecessor, DDR2 SDRAM, is its ability to transfer data at twice the rate (eight times the speed of its internal memory arrays), enabling higher bandwidth or peak data rates.

"

Since it has a Micro SD slot this probably won't be a big deal to the average consumer shopping by price.

Important to some, irrelevant to others. I wonder how many people use their tablets for taking pics and videos because the cameras have always been dumbed down over phones.

More than likely, in whatever market this chart's from, Asus is finally going to attempt a 3G tablet. The Qualcomm 8060 is used in a lot of 3/4G devices.

In the eye of the beholder. If it's $349 it will be the best value of any 10.1" Wi-Fi tablet available. With DDR3 memory it could also be the best performing of all Asus' 10.1" tablets. The 1.2GHz clock speed will be easily fixed by the devs. And the big plus for people not wanting to spend $599 on the TF700 is that it'll offer an additonal low priced option for getting better wireless because of its plastic back cover.

Whoever would have dreamed that a little piece of plastic could make such a big difference in wireless performance?

I know a lot of people want to desperately believe the Prime and TF700 will coexist forever but, to me, they're too similarly spec'd. The only difference is the FFC and display that probably costs Asus $35. And if the TF700 is easier to build because of its modified back they could make that up by eliminating rejects on the assembly line. So things might look different down the road than how they're presented initially. Regardless, if they price the TF300 right, it’ll without question be their most successful 10.1” device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Like I said before. There are no realmworld results or tests that proves that plastic strip has actually improved wireless performance. Proof is not a man on a video from ces saying that...lmfao. Before you go dimming to post that up. I'm talking about tech sites reviews on it and consumer reviews. So we don't know 100% for sure if it actually does or not. Or if it's even a significant difference. Need hard facts proof. Not speculation. ;). It's already been stated Prime not being discontinued. OG transformer being replacedmby TF-300. Once that happens, Asus will have tablets in all price ranges. As much as younlove to see Prime fall, it ain't happening. We here to stay. Get used to it

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Your flash rebuttal: same goes for gps..game on! Lmfao. Plus prime has an excellent cam. Better than any mobile phone one with larger apectur or whatever it's called..lmao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Apparently a lot more than you think since this forum is heated with "GPS" debate.

The existence of TF300 really baffles me. Take out IPS+ and possibly less storage.. it is more or less Prime (& cheaper supposedly).

I have no idea how Prime will survive between TF300 (cheaper at 10.1 in display) and TF700 (with higher resolution & possibly without all the current flaws in Prime).

Does IPS+ really make the device PREMIUM?? (I also don't get Tegra 3 being clocked at 1.2 ghz.. I really don't understand the reason behind it.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
It'll all depend on the price of TF300...

but as the device in between TF300 and TF700... PRIME isn't enticing at all (especially if the problems continue). Will it stay on the market? Possibly.. or Asus can easily just remove the device from the market if the sale #s are pathetic (I'm going to ignore Gary's claim .. i'm sure you know why as it's been discussed in many threads... and the whole "prime" selling like HOT CAKE has a lot to do with limited supply as well.. and even with that limited supply, the return rates seem HIGH in this forum). But even if Prime does stay on the market, the priority for updates/support will fall behind TF300/700/ and probably.. the 7in. tablet as well.

While MWC isn't here yet.. if you look at past history of TEGRA 2.. Nvidia had support from Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, Acer, HTC, Lenovo, Motorola & Asus for tablets. We already know that Samsung won't be partnering with Nvidia for next-tablet & we have no idea what Sony & Toshiba will do (heck...include LG, Motorola, Panasonic). Majority of Nvidia's support is coming from Chinese-Taiwanese OEMs. If you consider that.. that's half of what they received from Tegra 2. And this is just for TABLET support...

Now, MWC could change.. and we can see multiple handset/smartphone devices with Tegra 3 in it... & provided they sell well over Samsung devices...however

Nvidia really needs Amazon as partner for their next Kindle device to meet their expectation. Otherwise, I just don't see how they will meet their expectation...

From 1.3 ghz to 1.2 ghz. How much are they really saving from underclocking 100mhz (or even difference except in benchmark). I understand underclocking from 1.6ghz to 1.3ghz.... but 1.3ghz to 1.2ghz is just dumb. If they truly wanted to differentiate TF300 & Prime.. & perhaps save money.. 1.3ghz to 1.0ghz makes more sense.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
CHECKERS N CHESS...VERY funny. No the difference is I can rationalize n see both sides. You are only stuck on one side so i actually have a broader view of things. Plus there is no concrete proof of statistics showing prime is not selling well. Because based on latest polls here and all the new prime owners coming into this section constantly, I'd think prime is selling very well. Add in Gary's comment on less than 1% failure rate on prime and it all makes sense. Stores, brick n mortar and online are all selling primes like crazy n selling out. One guy posted he worked at best buy in they have thousands in stock at warehouse and they all selling very fast. People posting that they picked it up at brick n mortar stores all saying they selling out very quickly there. Same with online stocks. All selling out very fast.

SO THERE IS NO CONCRETE proof or facts to support your assumption that prime is not selling very well. If you want to bbase it off xda then its clearly shown through polls,especially latest ones. That prime is selling and people like and keeping it. Nothing you can say to dispute that. So you have no basis or claim to really make that claim. For all we know prime is selling very well. So until we see some official sales statistics, how well its doing is not really known. But based on xda votes, I'd say its actually doing alot better than you may hate to admit. So that easily shuts down your false assumption on it getting discontinued or its not selling well now. Those other tablets don't come out till later in the year. Prime is what's selling now and still the most sought after Android tablet.

As far as down the road, we have yet to see. What you said can be said for any tablet above 399 price, especially the tf-700. So until the fat lady sings, prime is here to stay and continue selling. :p

P.s. its kinda like e.mote said. You are to stuck on one side to argue objectively. The best analysis is one that comes from both sides ofthe fence. I understand your side n my side. Its kinda obvious you not doing the same vs. Versa. Come on man, you being to stubborn..lmao. ease up and look at things from both sides. That's all I'm asking. Mr. Samsung ;)

N you right, KF n NC cussing problems for other android makers. People want low priced simple tablets. Those aren't ever real renditions of Android OS. So it's hitting everyone. No matter who pockets are deeper. Cause none of our pockets are deeper than apples so it don't matter ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
You're deluded. There's no great demand for $399+ native Android tablets from Asus or anyone else. Production of electronic devices typically ramps up to 100% in 30-45 days from the start (in other words, now). The Prime should be available everywhere. And the article I just shared shows Asus actually losing market share in Q4 with both the TF101 and (theoretically) the Prime available.

The Prime has issues:

1) Looking at the autopsy thread the routing and placement of the wireless antennas to compensate for the metal back cover is complex and it would seem difficult to manufacture. It could also be why Prime’s perform differently than each other. My guess is that’s causing a larger number of units to fail QC and/or reduces the speed that the assembly can be run at. That’s what’s likely reducing the quantities that can be shipped.

2) You just used the number of people joining this forum as evidence of "sales." I'll therefore use them as an example of the return rate. Asus cannot continue to produce and ship a device with the return rate the Prime's experiencing. It's not economically viable.

3) GPS is hosed, Wi-Fi is just average, and there are QC issues like screen bleed that, according to the autopsy thread, can be attributed to assembly complexity once again caused by the metal back cover. Asus has moved away from a solid metal back cover in all their subsequent tablets.

4) Based on timing, the TF201, TF300, and TF700 all overlapped in development. Why isn't the TF300 named "TF200?" If Asus intends/intended to market all three devices over the same lifespan why wouldn't they have been named sequentially by price and feature set?

Believe me, I'm in no way trying to change your opinion and you’re certainly entitled to it. But with a lot of unanswered questions hopefully these discussions/debates give potential purchasers more to think about when making their decisions.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That first state you said is meaningless on Q4 losses. Prime didn't actually start selling and reach peoples hand till end of December. That's hardly a complete Q4 to say it really included the prime. If anything its really part of 2012 Q1 stats. We will see when those drop...nice try though.

Plus like I said, you can list all the stuff you want. Until official sales statistics are released for Asus n prime, not some b.s. q4 when prime wasn't even really available yet, all you can do is assume based on your views n speculation. Same with me n mines.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Finally, something we can agree 100% on. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
1ghz will probably be the memo, lowest tier device m or it might be 1.1Ghz. Regardless it was already announced prime not being discontinued. Prime is still selling now. Nothing no one can say can dispute that unless you have some hard core facts. Because its there for the flipside point I've been making.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
So you don't believe the TF700 has better wireless but you do believe the Prime's not being discontinued even though Asus is the source for both comments? Curious.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
It isn't discontinued atm, but the chances that it will or could be seems really HIGH. At least that's my point to him...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Plus from Gary saying that prime has less than 1% failure/return rate that's all we know officially. Doesn't matter if one person or several on xda returned prime 20 times. Xda prime owners is not even a grain of sand compared tl worldwide sales. Which its sold all over the world now. We have prime owners in north America, south America, Mexico, Japan, Hawaii, Canada, London, Europe. Germany, Phillipines, and tons more places. Even Antarctica!(just kidding but you get the point) all proof by the different prime owners here on xda.,
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hawaii & London are suddenly countries? hehe

Correct me if I'm wrong.. but I don't think it's being sold in Japan.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I was just playing with him. ;) He just trumpeted his objectivity over mine in a previous post. But, to his point, I hope I'm not coming across definitive in any thing I post. I'm just using some past corporate experiences and feeding you guys some info to pose some likely outcomes to the issues Asus is facing. My "guesses" are no more or less valid than demandarin's as neither of us has any inside info (Gary doesn't count).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
You funny. Clinging on to scraps...OK...we stale mated then...as far as wireless, I'm saying no facts or statisitcs from anyone we've seen to actually "SHOW" its better. We did have someone who said prime is not being discontinued though, who has more credibility than any of us on Asus plans. I would think tf-700 "should" be better on wireless. But we having seen any tech sites to back that claim up. Just like no official sites LR statements saying it will be discontinued.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
1) Gary is not objective. He's distributing information for the sole purpose of benefiting Asus.

2) I totally believe there's a 1% failure rate. A) The definition of "failure" is purely Asus', and B) we don't know what that definition is. Anecdotally, it has to be a very narrow definition based on people on the forum's experiences.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
There are some users here that have a prime n live in japan. My point is its sold everywhere. Whether by brick n mortar or online sales. No matter where you live, you can basically St least order it online and get it. N we all know how great things sell online now. Alot of people prefer tl order online now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
I think IF Asus priced them correctly they can all succeed

M370t - $249.99 16gb(assuming on size)

TF300 - $399.99 16gb

TF201 - $499.99 32gb

TF700 - $599.99 32gb