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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
When one person complains multiple times about the same issue, it gets really old. And fire that one issue to be their only complaint and they're prepared not to accept the update over it, now that's just sad. Like I said in that post knowing that Samsung and Sprint have been watching these threads as well as addressing the issues we're posting, rather than continuing to complain about it once you've posted and going so far as saying I just won't take the OTA if they didn't do whatever your issue may be, don't you think taking the time to thank them for listening to us for the first time would be more beneficial? Obviously on the current leak there's still this turbo scroll issue, but there isn't an emmc problem, random reboots are gone, all the MAJOR problems have been fixed had anyone stopped to think that considering this "issue" is still present, maybe it's not an issue but rather a feature, and while we may not like this particular one, with change there are often things we don't like that we simply have to adjust to? Instead of saying, "thanks Samsung" FINALLY, we're about to be the first U.S gs2 variant to receive an update we've been waiting almost 9 months for that by the 35 leaks we've seen, never mind the over 50 others you never saw, clearly show that every effort had been made to make this not only the first but the best for us. And if you think you could do it better, by all means, take the ota that gets published and let's see you fix it, cause I'm sure the devs here at XDA have been trying to figure out out to.

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kevmo1965:
Well said.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BrandoKC:
Amen brother, Samsung's commitment to make the update right by testing it here tells me all I need to know. No HTC's in the imminent future for me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ind3lible:
I am glad they are updating soon but honestly ics isn't all that great .. if its gonna make the phone worse is any way what's the point of updating? Don't get mad about it just saying. Scrolling is terrible on these leaks. Its in the all drawer and on web pages and in apps. On gb its smooth as butter!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] CyberpodS2:
I personally am not bothered any more by the scrolling... Guess I just got used to it. As for something being a deal breaker, here in xda land nothing is forcing anyone to upgrade. I for one stopped screwing with my Samsung Moment when I landed on radioactive 1.8.22 and never looked again.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bjgebg:
The scrolling really does makes a big deal, it takes away from the phone. knowing the fact every time you Swype your fingers across the screen your phone is going to scroll at the bottom of the page or at the bottom of the app. it really does need to be fix because coming from gingerbread which is smooth a butter to an update that has a known issue that everyone hates and will hate needs to be resolve before final release so if Samsung do read these threads that's a good thing because then they will know what to fix before releasing the final build....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tmeader:
You really can't say that "everyone" hates it. After about 2 days of getting used to it, I much prefer it to the older style (which had no acceleration based on how fast the swipe was). With EL29 if I wanted to go all the way to the bottom of my apps list, it would take several swipes. Now, I can just "flick" it an immediately be at the very top or very bottom with a single swipe. You just have to be conscious of how much "flick" you're putting on the swipe, and it becomes quite usable.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
Read the post above yours, not everyone hates it, and if you know Swyping your finger is going to take you to the bottom, do what I've done, adjust the length of your swipe, out keep your finger on the screen and scroll, I'm not mad by any means, I'm just saying plain and simple, we've SEEN 35 leaks, there are over 50 others we never saw, at some point you just gotta admit that if it looks like a duck, walks and quacks like a duck, it is most likely a duck...in this case that means decide if you're going to adjust and figure out how to deal, out your going to stay on GB, in which case there's no need for you to be on an ICS related thread any longer

As for ICS not being all that, folks said the same about gingerbread and Froyo as well, and again ICS, was merely a Guinea pig for the totally new recoded and written Android operating system as a whole, Jellybean (4.1.7) is what they're really preparing for, so the fact that they have done as much as they have done for us with ICS on the first place is lucky. Especially for a device they have already said will be listed EOL by Q4...

Brought to you on the only ROM EPIC enough to run on my Epic 4G Touch...The Blu Kuban 1.0.3.5!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] starnostar:
not everyone hates it...but a lot of people do.

I also got to play with a nexus....no turbo-scroll, which rules out ICS in general

I tried codename (for this phone)...no turbo scroll (cant comment on AOKP or CM9), which rules out hardware and kernel

But whatever...its become pretty obvious that anyone who dislikes the scrolling is a black-sheep here (not wanted in this thread).
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kc_exactly:
While we are on the subject of ICS haters. Looks like Jelly Bean might be 4.1. So, you might only have a short time to wait before you start complaining about not being up to date.

Google it. Some benchmarks got leaked today for the google tablet.

Now back on topic....leak anyone?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sniper:
So since it's not an entire version upgrade by the revision number is there any chance for any kind of updates like how gb was updated through different versions within 2.X.X? Or am I just too tired to think straight and am being too optimistic since it still is a newer os? :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sjsharksfan420:
If you pull up the rdf pages on a pc in IE, pull up some previous rdf pages in separate tabs and then have the FE26 open in last tab, the page (in IE) will display in a spreadsheet format and you can just click the tabs back and forth to see if there I any differences between all the previous builds (quick change would be to use control + tab).

Just be sure to have all tabs pages scrolled to the same spot so when you click the other tabs, the only change that moves is the actual data.. ;)

I do this all the time and usually the rdf does not reflect any thing different. I've only caught a change back in the FC17 days... you can read on some of the previous pages and can see the screenshots I posted to show the difference..

I Just compared the FE22 & FE26 rdf pages and they are identical .. so rdfs don't really tell us much except for included specs.. they aren't a way to determine changes in builds..

sj

Sent from my SGS2 Epic 4G Touch on AoKPm5 FE22 OS4.0.4 with dpi @ 128 using Tap@Talk 2.1.1 Pro
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] someguyatx:
No fun tonight oh well maybe a nice leak will be waiting tomorrow morning then we should finally be in the home stretch. Thanks to all of you devs and Samsung for giving us stuff to play with while you worked. It will be interesting to see the responses from the general public after the ota release.

At this point I completely fail to see why people love GB so much. These are probably the people viewing the forum on IE6 from their Windows XP machines.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Come on now... Give them a little credit, they probably have IE7 on Win XP SP2.

Anything lesser then that and they probably couldn't get online, or they are the type of person to blame the ISP because their computer won't turn on...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
FE26 seems pretty stable for me, the ota has to be close
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Where is this FE26 you speak of?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Omar04:
Yeah where it is?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tt281gt:
Lol wut. Im sure you had some valid points and good info but holy cow please break that up into paragraphs. It makes reading much simpler.

I for one gave up after the 3rd sentence.

EDIT: I just owned myself by hitting the reply button instead of quote. -_-

I am sure you guys know the kind of reply I refer to =p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] CyberpodS2:
Yea it friggin rocks!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dw3bb10:
These leaks are getting ridiculous....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] donsh00tmesanta:
Sprint and Sammy have turned xda into their beta testers not something I mind :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Would be great if they covered bricked phones.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] asteetva:
I doubt it as they have not been able to fixe some of the basic things...Their testers should know what they are...I will post them only after OTA and it will still take samsung 6 months to figure it out and we will be getting 5.0 leaks by then...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
That would be nice... Test a beta leaked ROM and just walk into Sprint and say "I bricked it while testing the latest beta..."

Reality check... It will never happen like that.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] metayoshi:
I know you're kidding, but to put it in another perspective, they are the people who stayed on Windows XP when Windows Vista was released. ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kebetz:
You made to three?

ITWASLIKETRYINGTOREADTHIS
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jamesey:
Listen guys I don't mean to be a prick, but please stop pmming me asking to test fe26. I'm sorry, but i have to stick to my original response It's a very busy shortened week at work and I just don't have the time at the moment. I test when I can, but this week just isn't possible for me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] DCRocks:
Heh.. I have an old Win 98 box with IE 6 that gets on line without an issue using dialup

Now, its just for the kids to mess with, as I can just recopy everything from my DVD backup when they trash it, but still, it works :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] barnacles10:
I just want to add an opinion, since that seems like what everyone else is doing. The speed of this scrolling is not the issue necessarily. Its that because of its speed the menus redraw in chunks making scrolling not only fast but choppy. There have been leaks without this scrolling speed. And in everyones defense complaining, this is not an ics "feature". Like I've said before , this behavior isn't pulled from the ics branch. This scrolling behavior limits users ability to flick through long lists and instead scroll up and down like they are wiping a spec of dust off the screen over and over.

Of course its a leak so we will see, but no need to bash users that dislike it. Android, in its existence, has never behaved that way.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Censura_Umbra:
This. I never even noticed what you all were arguing about until I went into my contacts (the only app with a long scroll-able area on my phone) and swiped and noticed I was at the bottom. I was like: "Hmmm that's not right, but then I realized I was at my friend who has a last name that starts with a Z and realized: "wait, that was convenient."

So rule of thumb:

If you need to go to the bottom (For Z contacts, to see the "Contact Us" or comments at the bottom of a webpage, etc) then swipe as swiftly as you want.

If you enjoy inching along what should be a fluid smartphone. Then make the many swipes you are used to making, just make them smaller.

And that is it. I solved the problem. Can I work for Samsung's development team now?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iniz94:
I personally got used to the scrolling months ago. I don't really see how it's a major problem... Sure it's inconvenient for some, but after using it for a couple days, you get used to it and change up your scrolling style to reflect what you're trying to do
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
Ive been on ICS so long I dont even know what the scrolling problem is:confused: and Im so excited about the SIII news I dont even care about the OTA anymore :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
So is the scrolling fixed on the new leak?:eek::what::banghead:

Sorry, I pick and choose my spots. I couldn't help myself after reading the last 4 pages
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
A little wisdom from the Godfather ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
{shudder} I bought a laptop that came with Vista, and I absolutely hated it. Talk about resource hungry... I've since reformatted it and put Win 7 on it, and it performs at LEAST 75% better.

After that experience, I refused to put it on my desktop. Went straight to Win 7.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] starnostar:
{shudder} I bought a laptop that came with Win 7, and I absolutely hated it. Talk about resource hungry... I've since reformatted it and put Arch on it, and it performs at LEAST 75% better.

After that experience, I refused to put it on my desktop. Went straight to Arch.

...Sorry, that was just too good of an opportunity to pass up
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] KBizzle:
Lol. Guess I'm gonna have to Google arch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] starnostar:
http://www.archlinux.org/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
Hate to say it, but scrolling thing will probably still sore up on this leak whenever we get a build. I'm not a fan of the thing either, but voiced that opinion long ago and left it at that. Being as I work where I do and have had contact with good friends who work very close with the coders and developers I've been lucky enough to discover some information and pass that along each time.

This issue with the scrolling is not present on the nexus, but Al off the coding on the nexus is different than any of the galaxy s phones, and our device has even more changes than the others in the series, do comparing to other phones is like comparing a Ferrari to a Kia.

Keeping in mind that these have all been leaks, this is what I was told today..."while it is very true that Samsung and Sprint took notice of and used you guys as testers, to leak the fully functioning build before source code is even released would be ludicrous. Samsung Mobile, not Sprint condone the routing of phones as you are well aware, so it is our goal to get as many as possible back to the official OS that is running and accept the official OTA where root access has once again been blocked, at least for now, and if you guys have everything in a leak, why go back?"

I laughed as we hung up and he admitted that likely only less than 5%	of us would actually revert back and wait for root to be achieved again. He did confirm that every issue deemed major or fatal are fixed in the OTA, but, just like every other version prior, there will be some flaws, after all there is no such thing as perfect for every user.

He also confirmed again that there are still 3 builds that could be leaked and added they were surprised not to already see a working FE26 being flashed yet, and to enjoy it when it comes. The official release is upon us, he said those who wish to revert should take the advice of one of the developers who this weekend posted the link to revert back to fully stock 2.3.6, and be ready.

There you go, is the scrolling issue gonna be in FE26? Very likely. Will it be in the final official release? No telling, but we are getting a totally rewritten and revamped Android OS. He did also remind me with heavy emphasis that ICS was never meant to be more than a test run to see what needs to be done for Jellybean, now officially named 4.1.7, but that with our device named as End Of Life, they got us as close as they could.

Brought to you on the only ROM EPIC enough to run on my Epic 4G Touch...The Blu Kuban 1.0.3.5!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kc_exactly:
So, FE26 didn't show up over night. :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Might take a little longer than usual to get FE26 and future builds - kinda surprised to not see it yet either. But I'll be more than willing to be patient for it...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
Wonder who silk crack it first since sfhub is gone for a month

Brought to you on the only ROM EPIC enough to run on my Epic 4G Touch...The Blu Kuban 1.0.3.5!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
Woo will crack it first since sfhub is gone for a month

Brought to you on the only ROM EPIC enough to run on my Epic 4G Touch...The Blu Kuban 1.0.3.5!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wraith404:
I think 5% is a rather high estimate :D

They are in denial if they don't think someone will be able to put together a rooted stock TAR for Odin based on the OTA within about 48 hours of it hitting the air.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ghostzyden:
Somebody send me a link lol If only I knew where these leaks came from.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Don't know if everyone knew that - but I'll be the first second to throw my hat in the ring. Even if I'm not the first one to crack it I'll gain valuable knowledge in the process.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tmeader:
A MONTH?! :( Hopefully someone else can do the ODIN version in the meantime? They're SOOO simple to use.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hypersonicx:
We have a near perfect build of ICS and the most to complain about it scrolling lol.

Im one of the few who says scrolling isn't that bad. Like others said, if you want to get to the bottom do a fast long scroll and your sent straight to the bottom. Same for if your trying to get to the top.

Or just do short scrolls to navigate your list.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sniper:
Exactly :)

And we're on page 666 :eek:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
Page 333 for me since I like 20 posts per page :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
Sign of the beast, how apropos. lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sniper:
You just had to **** on my parade :p

Edit: I just realized this is the 6th post on this page too :sly:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] psych2l:
Getting on the hell bandwagon :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
Which reminded me to change my defaults :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Just an update, looks like it will be tomorrow before I get a crack at this unless something changes.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] reddragon72:
And this was the 666th post... and it mentions facebook LOL

HOLY MOLLY look at my post talking about post 666 AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

crap
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HenryDCase:
Mmm. Debian Testing/Sid.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
Well I was able to set up access to my dev box before I left, but wasn't able to test it.

If it works i'll only be gone for a day, if not, enjoy ics!

Btw I am NOT holding back fe26, it hasn't been delivered to me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esoteric68:
Fingers crossed it works for you!

Thanks for sticking with it even when you're away from home. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Agree with Eso and hope the remote access works. Please don't be offended if I try duplicating your efforts even if it does... if so it would be to satisfy my own curiosity.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wraith404:
Now that's dedication. Thanks either way, you've gotten us this far and fe22 is more than sufficient to hold at for a meager 30 days.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lancer1991:
Minor lockup

On FE22, forgive me if this has been mentioned, but didn't notice it in the handful of pages I read. Sometimes when I come out of unlocking the phone, there is lag where I can touch any of the hard buttons to get to the home screen or something like that. At first I thought it was Dolphin HD browser as it happens the most there, but also getting it when I might have left it on the 2nd page and want to go back to the first.

My attempt when FE26 comes out is to do a full install rather than the Nodata install to see if that doesn't clear it. I just hate to have to backup text messages, games, dictionary, etc.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] DirkBelig:
333: The Mark of the Semi-Christ.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
Unfortunately that's your best option at this point. Sammy did work with us here in a sense, but they claim to have plugged root access again, and so I would not doubt if in these last few leaks we are back to the point that data, even from the same ROM is corrupted in some small way.

And no, they are not that ignorant that they don't believe there will be a .tar made and that root will be achieved again....they are counting on the countless noobs that have joined the root bandwagon lately to go back they know most of us won't revert.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thirdcoastraised:
Here's hoping your dev box is working well old friend. If not, enjoy vacation and be safe!

Sent using the only ROM Epic enough to run on my Epic 4G Touch...The Blu Kuban 1.0.3.5!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] swear0730:
I noticed the same thing on FE22. I'm on Calkulin's 1.6. Never noticed on any previous versions.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kanekz:
thirdcoast, you posted a few pages back about your source saying Sam/Sprint deciding on releasing the source code no later the 6/6...so we should be seeing it next week?? If so, that'll be great news!!

Official OTA would be great and all, but shouldn't we be more excited about source? Once released, the awesome devs we have here can come up with some epic Roms/kernals, not to mention full cm9/aokp! Im not saying what development we have now isn't great because the devs work so hard, but some next level ics stuff Hahaha. I just feel like once source is dropped, we'll see some sick mind blowing dev work that this phone is more than capable enough to handle. IDK, maybe its just me. Agghh sorry guys...just getting excited.

Anyways...FE26 out yet?? Jk jk haha
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wraith404:
Ah well, I didn't say ignorant, just kidding themselves. ;) I'm the ignorant one, because I just don't get this huge resource consuming cat and mouse game over root. I know the devices have access to the mobile network and they want to ensure things run smooth, but they don't have an issue with handing data cards over to laptop/netbook owners rocking full administrator/root privilege (based on your OS of choice). It's time to treat these things like netbooks with touchscreens... :D. We're just rocking a linux flavor after all.. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I blame Apple, they started the whole users are too dumb to be trusted bandwagon anyway. Maybe Apple users are, I wouldn't know.. :P.

Thanks for all the info you feed us.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
According to him yes. And ota would have to be out by 6/6 at the latest
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] someguyatx:
Its simple business, probably since many people root to block ads and remove carrier bloatware. Sprint is aware that all of the leaks up to now have been easily rooted and tells Samsung to change it by the release. Those rooted people on stock GB that accept the OTA will lose root and many will simply think their adblocker or tether quit working. Wait for the posts, they will show up all over the intrawebs.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kanekz:
Exactly what i was thinking, just some others were saying 30days prior to my post. Regardless, source code release is gonna be Awesome!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] andygallo:
I don't think that they're going after root directly, per say. I think they're going after the EXPLOITS used that allow root access. It is, after all, a security hole in the OS that could be used by malware to run with elevated privileges.

I'm not saying that they necessarily WANT us to have root access either. From a support standpoint, I think they want to limit the possibility for the user to screw up their devices. Coming from an IT background, I can understand this point.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Not necessarily. If I recall correctly EL29 source was released 4 days prior to first round of OTA roll outs.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Except ICS allows you to uninstall bloatware without root.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tailsthecat3:
*disable
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Have you ever tried using a Mac? I felt dumber for having been on it. It was like AOL was for the internet. My mom couldn't double click a mouse to save her life, but she was able to access the net and voice her opinions on things via AOL. Sometimes I miss having to dial up my friends computer to access his bulletin board. Man I'm old.