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[HTC Rezound] werdna87:
we dont have AOSP because the phonbe has been out for a much shorter amount of time and many less people have it, not because we don't have S-off
[HTC Rezound] Shiznit14:
S-OFF has nothing to do with booting into recovery.. If you don't like pulling your battery just turn off fastboot in settings then you should he able to get to recovery by just holding volume down... Or you could just get one of the programs from the marked that allows you to boot to recovery.. plus most roms allow boot into recovery from the power off menu.. Not having S-Off only affects the flashing of radios and that's it...
[HTC Rezound] yojoe600:
its rather easy to get to fast boot or recovery without a computer by using apps like quickboot... i dont see why people still need s-off... while it could be cool i see not need and mainver problems can be fixed easily anyways
[HTC Rezound] con247:
You can boot into recovery from off with the battery in. Fastboot in settings just needs to be disabled.
[HTC Rezound] jdg1:
Is the consensus that we will never need to flash new radios (Its as good as it will get).

The current OTA radio works great but I didn't root till after the OTA.

It will be a pain in the rear having to revert to stock whenever a new radio is released IMO.

I guess I was spoiled with my old Thunderbolt. I really miss how simple things were with it but it didn't take long to get up to speed with my Rezound.
[HTC Rezound] WookieFan:
How about the need to manually flash "boot.img?" on nand backups? That seems like an unnecessary extra step, (i.e. limitation) compared to S-OFF.

And as you yourself mention, the radio is untouchable. That's another limitation. And, while you seem view this as insignificant, it matters to me because I'd like to see the Rezound work seamlessly as a world phone. Addressing sms issues seems to be limited directly to developer ability to change radio firmware.

Honestly? I am fascinated by the response by some people that we don't need S-OFF. We also don't need smartphones, but they're a convenience I'd rather not live without. Just like S-OFF.
[HTC Rezound] mrbracht:
Signature off would be nice cause then we could load custom splash screens.. that is pretty much the only reason I want it. And maybe easier to flash radio files without having to do it all ass backwards. So s-off will be nice if it ever gets figured out

Sent from a cellular telephone
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
The radio being untouchable I see as a feature. People having to learn how to flash using fastboot, is a learning curve everyone should have to experience before rooting/ROM'ing. How many people blow up their phone because of lack of experience..?? How many more can't/won't because it's next to impossible with HTC Dev unlock?

S-OFF = Security Off. Also we don't flash radios, we flash boot partitions(kernels).

**Not addressing anyone in particular**

I'm trying not to be critical, but this is why I prefer Dev unlock. Because people don't truly see how messed up their phone could be when they accidentally flash something they shouldn't. I'm not saying that being able to flash radios is a bad thing but HTC found a way to make 90% of this community happy and keep their stock of bricked phones to a minimum...good on them!
[HTC Rezound] mjh68:
I am new to the HTC community and S-on device. I came from an OG droid, but from the amount of issues people have had with the main ver issue and other issues by not reading instructions correctly or understanding what they are doing I could only imagine these forums once S-off would be achieved LOL.
[HTC Rezound] nolimit78:
I can agree with this. I think unlocking rather than s-off does prevent n00bs from messing up the phone, but I still prefer having s-off. I want the option to upgrade/downgrade my radio, change my splash, or change the hboot if needed (not that I've seen much development there either)
[HTC Rezound] andybones:
s-off would be great.

but IMO, we are able to do *almost* everything I would want to do, I have no problem using fastboot, I just wish we could flash radios, but it's not a necessity ATM.

I don't foresee s-off coming to the rezound..
[HTC Rezound] antispiral:
What are the advantages of flashing radios? I had a Motorola Droid and you were able to flash radios on that but it didn't seem like it did much, if anything.
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
Ask the people over in the GN forums. We're blessed with good radios in the Rezound so to me flashing a radio is a moot point.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
I agree.

I never saw much (if any) difference from doing a radio swap (& I've done a bunch of it)
[HTC Rezound] mjh68:
I think in this case, most people that are interested are people that would like the option to flash different radios for international use if I am not mistaken.
[HTC Rezound] tekhna:
It did on the Thunderbolt when they were still figuring LTE out--you could see a pretty significant change in signal strength, battery life, etc. depending on your phone and radio. Certain phones just worked better with certain pairs of radios.

With the Rezound, the radios seem rock-solid, so that need is diminished. I think they've got the hardware/software pairing down to a much greater extent.
[HTC Rezound] jmorton10:
Well, that makes perfect sense.

I have had tons of phones, but I never had a t-bolt so I didn't realize that.
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
Same is true for every Samsung phone.
[HTC Rezound] Sheldor1967:
Still Happy on Stock but...

As someone said, the Stock version is so trouble free that I will continue to be patient. I liked flashing my Incredible, but I don't miss how each and every ROM had at least one thing that just didn't work. I will eventually root the Rezound, but I'll wait it out like I did with the Inc. Hell at the rate the price is dropping on this thing, I will be able to buy a new one for $100 in six months if I brick it! Thanks again for all the lively discussion. Love this forum! :)
[HTC Rezound] zetsumeikuro:
I'm just glad to have the unlocked bootloader so we can flash custom software period. The radio on the Rez is great! The OTA makes it even better, no signal issues for me at all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] dieuthao01:
Does anyone have any idea when the Miui rom will make it to our device? I think they already have a few versions for the at&t one but not for T-Mobile. So sad:(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jordanishere:
So flash the att version. if its for the skyrocket, it will work on our phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] itsomaryo:
+1 Miui is the best ROMs out there for every phone.. that's what I need to complete this phone :/
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Teo032:
thats a dangerous suggestion because some might be confused but yeahh i727 only not the i777
[Defy General] kadopt:
Probably the flash memory is corrupted/damaged from wear and cannot be erased or something...
[Defy General] hackergnome:
U can try sbf_flash on Linux...
[Defy General] TorAll:
Already tried, same result as RSD Lite.
[Defy General] TorAll:
Same, but not at all!

I've tried sbf_flash --groupnane full.sbf step by step.

Succesfully flashed:

CG64 0xB0000000-0xB001FFFF mbr

CG65 0xB0180000-0xB01FFFFF ebr

CG31 0xB0280000-0xB02FFFFF cdt.bin

CG34 0xB0700000-0xB077FFFF lbl

CG61 0xB0B00000-0xB0B7FFFF devtree

CG53 0xB2F00000-0xB32FFFFF kpanic

What this mean, who can answer me?
[Defy General] labsin:
on what sbf are you now? (in about screen on phone)
[Defy General] niksy+:
Could it be that it was flashed with some sbf that had version 6 or version 7 CG before it got to you? Have you tried flashing some DEFY+ ROM? Or maybe that version 6 Froyo?
[Defy General] labsin:
But then he wouldn't be able to flash CG31 :s

Think there is really something wrong :/

I would try warranty?

Seems to be not the only one :confused: :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1485289
[Defy General] TorAll:
3.4.2-107_jdn-9

Warranty... too sweet for me :) Motorola fell out of love Russia.

I've searched too, and find couple peaples, who had troubles like me. As far as I know, they dont resolved it.
[Defy General] crub55:
I have the same problem you have found a solution?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Hmm, I wonder if our complaints have registered with Motorola? As of today (after I filed a BBB complaint on Motorola in regards to ICS and unlocked bootloaders), Motorola just tweeted about updates for ICS on Motorola devices.

For the Droid X2, the upgrade status overall has gone from "updated to 2.3.4" to "In Evaluation & Planning. Further details to follow."

Still doesn't mean we get ICS, but it sure is strange that a day after I sent them a tactful but seething email about their lack of updates for the X2, this happens a day later. Probably just coincidence, but maybe not?

Here's the link to the ICS update:

http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/

Here's the list of phones getting ICS by the 3rd quarter of 2012:

DROID BIONIC

DROID RAZR

DROID RAZR MAXX

MOTOROLA RAZR

DROID 4

PHOTON 4G

MOTOROLA ATRIX 4G (AT&T)

ATRIX 2

ELECTRIFY

Droid X2 is not on this list. However, in the following list, you can see where the current status of the X2 has it under evaluation rather than not being evaluated:

https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).

sent from my cyanogenmod-7 ICS ex-two
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
But, don't hold your breath yet. Right now, with the X2, they are evaluating whether or not it's worth upgrading to ICS. I would NOT be surprised if they come back and say it's not worth it.

But, I guess this is better than not saying anything at all and I understand they have to look over all the other phones and decide whether or not they are worth upgrading to ICS or not based on performance, developer support/knowledge, etc.
[Motorola Droid X2] Travisdroidx2:
I think the only way we will see ICS is if Dragonzkiller gets it ported or another great dev. I do not expect motorola to unlock bootloader or give the x2 ICS. By the time they get around to it the device will be outdated. Another good reason to never buy motorola again!
[Motorola Droid X2] thelowend:
ignore this
[Motorola Droid X2] theredvendetta:
There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.

Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
[Motorola Droid X2] imchairmanm:
It's on the list in the same way as it's on the other list as far as I can see.
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Yeah, I knew that, but hey, it's nice to dream once in a while, no? ;) I was hoping maybe my "threat" to go to the BBB in my email yesterday might have had some residual effect? Probably not, but at least, they'd updated the page which has been stale for a long time.

In any case, I still haven't heard back from Moto yet on my latest complaint, but I did warn them I was going to file a complaint with the BBB and I went through with my word and now, the BBB is forwarding my complaint to Motorola.

I would suggest that everyone do the same. It's free and it makes your voices heard, hopefully.
[Motorola Droid X2] ComputerNmyPocket:
iBolski: Your emails embody my and probably countless others' sentiments. I just thought sending an email myself would just fall on deaf ears. But your BBB idea I think is great. From what I understand, the BBB member (Motorala) MUST respond to all complaints, else their rating gets damaged by "unresolved complaints". Resolving those complaints takes time and money from Motorola, maybe they'll eventually decide that time and money would be better spent satisfying their customers (Unlocked bootloader and ICS). Thanks for your diligence.
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
One thing I do want to state is, I understand how difficult it is to upgrade existing devices to a completely new OS. I deal with software upgrades at my job as a developer at a major utility company. We have to deal with not only software/OS upgrades, but federal regulatory changes that come up at the last minute and they only give us a few months some times to get those changes implemented or risk being fined during an audit.

So, I completely understand that Motorola has to go into research and planning mode. It's part of the software development life cycle (SDLC) because you can't just go into it and decide to upgrade it.

In our case where I work, we have a ton of VB6 legacy apps that haven't been rewritten in 10+ years, only patched to handle new regulations. Now, we are having to upgrade to Windows 7 because the company held off and stuck with XP, even though many of us were warning them this wasn't a good idea.

Some of the VB6 apps aren't behaving nicely in Windows 7 32-bit and if we wanted to go to 64-bit, VB6 apps won't run at all or run sporadically.

In the case of the Droids, I understand ICS may not run on every platform, so I can see why the X2 might have a longer wait. So, I commend Motorola on updating the information on ICS for the X2 on their web page. It was long overdue. But, even at my company, we are required to give status updates on the progress of upcoming projects and the business units that are curious about them (since it affects them) have a right to know. Not unlike us, the consumers since we purchased their product.

So, it only seems right that we should be getting updates sooner rather than dead silence, like it's been these past few months.

In any case, I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep pushing until they give me an answer. I'll wait and see what my BBB complaint results in, but I do want to urge others to do the same. Remember, be civil with them, but stern and don't back down on anything but a sufficient answer. Anything vague, such as "I can't speak to that" should have a retort stating "then give me the contact information for someone who can".

Remember, you can't make things happen by just sitting idly by and expecting it to happen by itself. That's how I was at first, and then I decided I had had enough and was going to take a stand. It may not pan out to what we want in the end, but at least if you try, you know you made the effort and it might change how other companies treat their customers.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
[Motorola Droid X2] KiaraTheDragon:
google now owns motorola so thats one reason alot of none ics phones have a evaluation coming up which means most likely will get ics and possibly unlocked bootloaders
[Motorola Droid X2] MatthiasvW:
Well, almost. I believe they're still waiting on Israel and China to sign off.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
[Motorola Droid X2] truk:
I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.

That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.

So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.

Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!

Sent from tapatalk on my Droid X2
[Motorola Droid X2] DaveRichardson:
Anyone else think it's unbelievable that the Razr is in "evaluation and planning" ????

Moto is such a joke it's not even funny. I can't believe the Razr is their answer to the Gnex.

I'll never buy another Motorola product.

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Agreed. Look at Macs, with their soldered in HDDs, RAM, batteries. PCs are heading that direction, too. These tech companies love that their thousand dollar products go obsolete in two years.
[Motorola Droid X2] Elite49:
Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
im not so sure bout that lol

I think the reason for no sdcard tho is cause do ya REALLY NEED more memory when ya got 32gb internal already?(even 16 is a lot ..if u using ALL that then u need to either delete some pics/vids or upload em to a computer or cloud storage.) lol ;)

and I would think that would also make the system. more "efficient" somehow if it doesn't have to go through the process(es) of having to mount external memory and read/write data from/to it...

then again.. I don't know enough about how the system really works to know what the benefit of not having an external sdcard mount really does for performance lol...i am just talking outta my ass...don't.mind me lol :p

and also, why do u say its getting closer to not being able to open computer and add chips/ram/cards etc...? I just can't see that happening unless companies don't like making money from people who like to upgrade components of their computers to improve it lol.. unless they make it so that those things are useless or unnecessary (make them obsolete somehow)

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maybe they'll skip 2.3.5 and give us 2.3.6 like the charge has....lol....durp...

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speaking of their blur crap, a little birdie told me that the ics leak on the RAZR actually was pretty decent, that it had a VERY vanilla feel to it, but im wondering if that is just because they didn't finish skinning it yet....dunno....bla bla bla
[Motorola Droid X2] litetaker:
I, personally, am waiting for CM9 from Dragonzkiller. The day we get it, I will email/tweet and generally spam Motorola and show them just how useless they are for taking so long to release ICS onto our Droid X2 when a single guy did it months earlier in the form of CM9! Rub it in those *****es' faces...
[Motorola Droid X2] ForevermanRGPC:
I bet china X2's get ICS before we do. Just like Gingerbread. 2 months before we got it, time to start checking their forums and putting Google translate to work.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
does china even have the droid x2?

sent from my cyanogenmod-7 ICS ex-two
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
chinese forums I believe is where our bootstrapper was discovered lol
[Motorola Droid X2] ForevermanRGPC:
Dig through this forum too long long ago, the first 2.3.3 was from a Chinese ROM. We got the official Update months later. And ya Ash, our bootstrap came from China also, I can say I've been hangin here since the beginning. Very very patiently.

Edit: Look up c21johnson, minimalx, it was a big drama.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
well then maybe we should definitely start digging

sent from my cyanogenmod-7 ICS ex-two
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Please tell me there's non-development reasons why this crap takes so long. Q3 for the phones that are already supposed to be getting it? That's TERRIBLE. If some of our devs had the internal resources they have to build the rom, they could throw it together in a weekend.
[Motorola Droid X2] DaveRichardson:
It's a bad brew of incompetence, apathy, and malice. I'm half convinced Moto hates its customers as much as we hate them.
[Motorola Droid X2] robocuff:
I always wonder what takes them so long too. I realize it's not all that simple but I keep thinking back about when I first bought my xoom. I believe they came out in March of last year. I bought mine in June. When they first released them there was no support for the sd card. It had the slot but you couldn't use it. Well, I bought mine, rooted it and put a rom on it and instantly had sd card support. I don't really remember just when it was Moto released the update with support for the sd card but I know it wasn't until sometime in the fall. Was many months later. Then, when they did finally release it, the support for the sd card was read only. That was it. Only way you could copy files to it was from your computer. The rom I installed in early June had both read and write support for the card. The rom I was using was done by a team but it was only a few guys. The rom was created a month or two before I bought my xoom so it didn't take very long for them to come up with the fix for the sd card. Things like that make a guy wonder just what in blankety blank blank they are doing at Moto. :rolleyes:
[Motorola Droid X2] Elite49:
Oh yea it was.

On topic, anyone know how many people work on updates for Motorola? Is it a team or what since it takes them so damn long?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Over a weekend? That's a little aggressive. ;) I'm pretty sure you meant it would get out sooner and that's probably true as you could dedicate a set of developers to do the job. Motorola has more than one phone to work on and upgrade, so it's a little harder for them to dedicate resources to each phone. Of course, if they would stop releasing a new phone every couple of months, then maybe they could keep up with the demand.

Remember that CM7 did not come out overnight. It took at least 3 months before we even got CM7. And, it wasn't just DZK. He had help from other people. Now, he's been working on CM9. It's been over a month and it's progressing nicely but he still has some more hurdles to jump. The Cyanogenmod team has also been working on CM9 for other phones, but they are running into issues as well. It's not that easy.

ICS is a complete rewrite from the kernel on up. Therefore, it will take months for this to happen. You have to plan on what to write, review the changes, code the changes, test the changes (unit testing, system/regression testing, user acceptance testing). And if bugs are found along the way, you have to go and research what they are, determine the fix, and then start the testing cycle all over again to ensure the fix didn't break anything else. Or, just throw it together and release it with minimal testing and piss off the user-base even more.

I agree, I don't want to wait until the end of 2012, but I also understand that it is necessary to wait. What I want from Motorola are constant updates on the status. I don't want the current status for the X2 to sit in limbo like they are prone to doing. I want a definitive answer as to WHY the X2 will or will not get ICS. And if it's NOT going to get ICS and they are dropping support of it, then unlock the freaking bootloader.

Also, as I've stated numerous times, call, email, write to Motorola and tactfully demand we get constant updates from them. The more of us that do this, the louder it will be to Motorola and they will have no choice but to respond. Same with going to the BBB like I did.