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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Stop worrying so much. You can only go off of personal experience. Yes there has been some rma horror stories. But there are also plenty of ones that worked out perfect also. Even people receiving brand new units, it it warranted it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
Yes, but then reading things like the t300 thread... Im not so sure.

The thing is though, i really want a tegra3 tab and this is the only thin out right now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] maretus:
I'm quite worried how the situation with the prime is going to turn out. I don't think the wifi issues can be fixed and I fear that Asus will just cut their losses and move on if things continue the way they have been.

I know if wifi doesn't improve soon, ill be returning my device as I can't even use it in all the areas of my home right now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
here's the bottom line. Asus created a mess they are unwilling to cleanup properly.

They are now scattering to find firmware that will work with the different hardware variances in the Primes instead of just recalling the ones with the ICS lockup issue and now we will all be stuck with firmware that will play well with some Primes but not others right now 1.13 is killing battery life of users who has 0 issues with their Primes prior to the update. My best advice at this point is to get a refund if you can they sold us a protoype because of their greed and willingness to rush the product.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slybarman:
I'll tell you what rubs me wrong that doesn't get mentioned much. I bought the Prime in large part based on all the glowing reviews from all the various tech websites that reviewed it before launch. How the hell did every single one of those sites and so-called tech experts miss all these issues? Makes me wonder if they are nothing but shills for the manufacturers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mstrhnky:
the way i see it, i'm going to stick with the transformer prime because before the .13 update, my only problems were no gps (don't care) and occasional reboot (annoying, but hopefully fixed sooner or later).

that being said, this experience will definitely make me look elsewhere for my next tablet purchase. i've always had great products from samsung, so i'd take a look at whatever they might introduce, and there's always the mysterious google tablet that's rumored.

if i do decide again that asus has the best tablet available, i will never pre order it like i did here, and i'd probably wait 2-3 months to let someone else be the guinea pig and see if the tablet holds up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] G37:
This is a worthless thread that doesn't produce any fruit. I'm sorry, I'm not a fanboy, but it doesn't have to do with the prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
How do you think they get their press junkets ? Not by giving bad reviews !

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One RMA horror story is one too many !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Evo_Shift:
No, don't stick with them.

I got a Prime thinking I couldn't live without the keyboard. Turns out I hardly use it other than as a spare battery. I will not get another Asus product again. The Prime I now have is perfect and it is the best tablet available so I am happy for now. However, I had to return three to get this one and would be too afraid to send it in for an RMA if it does end up having a defect at some point. If it had an issue I would buy a new one at BB and return my defective one, swapping serial numbers. ASUS seems to just send your RMA back with a note stating either nothing is wrong or that the defect is caused by you based on the various posts around here. Asus has lost me as a customer. Their motherboards were great but after this...no thanks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jaypm:
the tf201 is a great device (well, at least the ones that actually work are), but don't be fooled into thinking asus is a great company. they don't make transformers, they make gobots.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
My thoughts exactly.

Are there any other tegra 3 tabs coming out within the next 20 days or so?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Nope...lol the polls have spoken. You see the majority. Just like in all the other polls. Stop letting a few scare you out of a device you want.

Use this motto to make your decision. My football coach use to tell this all the time and fits any scenario.

THINGS AREN'T AS GOOD AS IT SEEMS...AND THINGS AREN'T AS BAD AS IT SEEMS...SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN, REALITY FALLS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jbarboni:
My experience has been a nightmare. I purchased my tf201 on Jan 5th and waited until the 15 before I received it; not too bad. I had poor wifi and no GPS even after upgrading to ICS and applying the OTA update meant to fix said issues so I called Asus and got an RMA. I tools them I needed it back by Feb 10th so I could return it to the place of purchaseif it wasn't fixed properly. They told me turn around time would be 7 days (first lie) and there would be no problem meeting this timeline. I mailed it USPS priority and tracked the package; they received it on the 24th but by the 26th still hadn't updated the status so I called and they confirmed they had it, said turnaround time was 7 days and and I would receive an update shortly. By Feb 1st they updated the status but showed they received it on Jan 28th (what? Reaching should the 24th and customer support confirmed this? Also the 28 was Saturday;a noon business day..) I called back on Feb 5th because the status hadn't changed online and was told they hasn't looked at it yet and admitted there was an use with that, then they said turn around time was 10-14 days but sine w were in that window the 7 day lie didn't matter.. I told them to just mail it back while I can still return it fixed or not and they said they'd elevate the issue;I would hear from them within 24 to 48 hrs later. On the 7th (48hrs later) I still hadn't heard from them and called them back. They couldn't tell me why no one contacted me, still had my prime and offered to elevate my issue again (what does that do? It did nothing last time..) I asked to speak to a manager and they got one. She told me they had 10-14 days from the tune they started looking at it NOT the time the received it (seriously? WTF?) I asked her if that meant they could sit in it for 30 days and then still have two weeks? She replied that 30 days would be unusual. I told her to send my prime back because I only had until the 10th to return it and I was very frustrated at this point. She asked why I would want it back induced and I told her I didn't I just wanted to get my $500 back while I still could, she said she'd elevate the issue with urgency and two day shipping, I would hear something within 24 hrs. As of today Feb 11th (well past the 24hr timeline), I still haven't heard from Asus and have past my product return date. I had the product in hand for less than 5 days and had to pay shipping to my house and to Asus, Ive purchased accessories and Im pissed. I feel like Asus has purposefully held on to my prime to keep me from returning it; this is crazy. I've tried everything I can think of and need help but what can I do? I tried sending a PM to Gary Keys but he was in Japan and never responded (i'm also a long time reader and first time poster here on XDA which may be why he hesitated to respond).. Thanks again
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] maretus:
Its a small majority and I do think its telling that nearly half of people who have responded say no. I would certainly say no based on my experience. This is a wireless device that can't hold a strong enough signal to use the internet beyond thirty feet from the router. Its obvious to me that Asus didn't test this device nearly enough before release.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Where you get nearly half from 30 something percent..lmfao. now about half, over 47% have said yes. Everyone entitled to their opinion but numbers are numbers. Just like any other poll, the numbers always reflect what's really going on overall. A majority, big or small, is a majority n will always win the contest.

Nothing to do with your situation. Just explaining results of the poll. People love to look past the raw numbers n come up with some crazy reasoning to make their point seem more readable. Lol

I also agree, maybe Asus didn't test enough or test enough random units spread across different batches and manufacturing times. That we can agree on ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Buddy Revell:
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Either shills, or they don't really test the products all too thoroughly and basically write up most of the review based on the specs on the box.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Your response to my quote I mainly agree with BUT raw numbers are raw numbers. All these polls are made to try to see what's the overall feeling of all Prime owners. And like I said before Majority always reflect that. THE DELPHI EFFECT...look it up of you don't know. That's all these polls ever about. And that's how XDA prime owners feel about the subject of the poll. Just goes to show its not all or as bad as the minority try to make it seem. The issues minority is experiencing doesn't reflect what all is experiencing. That's my point n very easy to see. Especially looking at raw numbers from polls.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
It is..

Most of the people who do at least know something from tablets or technology ordered the Prime. It isn't like I can walk in a store here and buy it.. Really have to preorder it, which most "normal (lol)" people won't do.

No, for me Asus can keep their products and I'm gonna stick with Apple (iPad 3) or Samsung for now. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] zodd1982:
Just stay with Asus. Yes there are some bugs with the software and hardware but its still one of the best Tablets out there.

Look to Samsung, they dont even have ICS and wont get it without there own UI Toutchwiz..

I was a Galaxy Tab 10.1 user and sold it for the Transformer Prime. I can say they have more Problems then users with the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] maretus:
To be fair, at the time of my post it was much closer to 50 percent than it is now. Either way, it's fairly obvious that WAY too many people aren't satisfied with the device. I returned mine today and don't plan on buying an asus device again. 30% of people here having major issues with their devices is way beyond unacceptable. And yes I realize that more people come here when they have issues than people who are happy. I also know that you'd be hard pressed to find another forum for a new device that looks this bad...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slopokdave:
So much hate for this product and company! It makes no sense to me...... I agree GPS is meh, but I never intend to use it other than looking up maps on occasion. I'm not sticking the thing to my dash!

Wifi is excellent. I've had no lockups or reboots. It's head and shoulders better build quality than my TF101 was; which wasn't bad in itself.

Overall, it cost me $200 to "upgrade" to the TF201 after I sold my TF101+dock. I'm a happy camper, until the next one comes out. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
I dont intend to use my GPS either but wifi sucks for me...

Then again, it sucks for everything in my house because of my crappy router and unlike my laptop, it doesn't do random disconnects from it :D

I do wish they would hurry up and optimize ICS for tegra 3 though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] maretus:
I think a good number of people would be happy if it was just gps as a problem. I would be. However, my wifi sucks and I have an awesome router. Anywhere farther than 20 feet from the router and my speed drops to less than 2 Mbps from 20 when it's near the router. I was unable to use the prime in the majority of my house which is terribly unnacceptable for a wifi only device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Justin_Thyme:
What you choose to do is your preference but do not go off of horror stories you see posted. As Albert Einstein put it...."Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.” and "Human beings must have action; and they will make it if they cannot find it."

Like anything else people will exagerate problems and those same people would not post up positive remarks if completely satisfied. Few will share the good but there are 100 fold that number who will exploit the bad. :cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
Im trying to decide whether or not to keep it based on the premise that i can crack it open and fix whatever is the problem with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] G37:
When the C2 come in stock -- I'm on board
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
He also said...

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jdbaker82:
It's clear Asus is pretty lost on how to combat the current issue with the lockup problem because if they knew what they were doing they would have realized the. 13 they released would wreck havok on perfectly working Primes . Now is when we find out of they submit to defeat and offer some sort of recall program which is truly I believe where this should be headed it will be interesting to see how this story ends .
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
That's more or less what I am hoping for. A exchange program.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
And then I see the "TF201 issues after ASUS 'repair'" thread *shudder*
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
You also have to consider the testing environment -- most of these people are probably sitting in a small office very close to a router with a great internet connection. As long as I'm on the same floor as my router and within 20 feet or so, the Prime rocks. It's not until I move to a different floor or put a little more distance between the Prime and the router that the signal drops out dramatically. Most of the "tech" testing people probably didn't take the device home, take it to the airport, take it to a public WiFi hotspot, etc. That's where the wireless issues become most noticeable.

As far as screen bleed, random lockups, battery drain, Bluetooth cutout, etc, these issues seem to be much more random than the pervasively weak WiFi.

Also remember that the "testing" units were probably hand selected and small-batch tested before being sent out for reviews. Not really a real-world parallel to the level of QC that's going on with the production models.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theeggman:
The thing I've noticed here on XDA, is the horror stories seem to be blown way out of porportion. Yes, there are some bad Primes out there, but I'm guessing there are also quie a few good ones as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It appears there's some universal weakness in Wi-Fi simply because of the metal back cover. But some units (using Wi-Fi analyzer, not SpeedTest) show average to slightly above average performance while others literally suck. The variances from unit-to-unit are actually a bigger problem than overall performance. When you look at the method they've chose to connect and route the antennas it kind of explains the variances and why performance changes when you "squeeze" it. And it looks like this complex method was required to get the antennas to face out through the glass front panel. If they could have gotten better control over the deviances in production they would have done so already. The only other option to get to some level of consistency is a redesign. Wi-Fi was an issue starting with unit number one as some of the devices they sent to reviewers pre-release had issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jdbaker82:
Uhhh well guess what the Prime being released in general has been a total horror story for Asus and for its buyers so yeah stick it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Exactly, and actually more than just a few good ones. The numbers don't lie. This what you see here is the most voted on, by xda Prime owners here. More than enough proof to convince not as many people experiencing problems as it may seem on surface. Or otherwise they would've voted differently. Nothing anyone can say can disapprove these votes by prime owners on xda. More than a Super Majority. If Prime was such a horror story. These numbers would reflect that. Which it doesn't by far.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bbedward:
OmG you have blood in yours? They must have really poor working conditions.

Just kidding :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
Not a lot of WiFi bars there ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] frazipe:
I have wondered that myself. None of the reviews that I have seen mentioned shotty wifi or a wifi/bluetooth problem. Some mentioned the GPS but I think only because it was public knowledge at that point. I find it hard to believe that of all the reviews that have been posted in the internet they all happen to get TPs with perfectly working wifi. Did they all test their wifi with in 15 ft of the router...I don't think so. Very strange.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
So while that might apply to the tp, the general opinions on Asus (the maker) doesn't exactly seem to follow the same trend. Yes and no are almost neck to neck on the poll.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jdbaker82:
I guess theres perfectly working Primes out there maybe more then most of us think but theres real issues out there with the locksups
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
Which could be quiet easily fixed if Asus would hurry up and give us a unlocked bootloader. :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aypanthony:
I have a good working Prime....But what makes me upset is that they announce that the TF700 is in the works right after the Prime is launched. Don't they realize how many people that may have bought the Prime are going to wait until the TF700 is out?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Prior to the Prime, the TF101 used a traditional routing of its antennas using solder to connect them with the plastic back cover being the strongest signal source. Once the TF700 and TF300 are torn down it'll be interesting to see if Asus returns to that much simpler and more traditional method.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
$500 is the top for me so I wouldn't be able to get one even if I wanted but I can see your point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
The TF700T is going for $599, thats $9 over your top. So if the TF700T out performs the TF201 overall in stability and performance you wouldnt shell out an extra $9 if there is an online order with no tax and free shipping?

edit: nervermind he made a mistake.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
This is true... But you'll get half the storage at the same price... No thank you...

And I'm not paying an extra $100 to get the product I should have gotten two months ago...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
I completely agree.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I totally agree, but currently I am not satisfied with the TF201. When the TF700 gets released Ill have to think if a better screen resolution and a slightly better front camera is worth the $100. I dont really care much for it, hopefully there would be other tegra 3 tablets out to choose from.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
If they aren't actually that terrible color and they raised the price appropriately for the two barely-better (I'm sorry, you are not going to notice the difference between 720P and 1080I/P on a 10" screen...) parts they threw in there to justify even more profit on top of a broken product, then I'd consider it.

But it is, they aren't, and I'm not :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
Well, this one is going back anyways. And if the next one sucks, hopefully there will be something else out by then. (The k2 looks pretty nice to me)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
LFmao good one but I was far away from router through a couple walls n 2 doors ;) good observation though. Its full now though. Plus I go by wifi analyzer. Gives a more accurate at where your strength really is. What you seen in that screenshot, wifi analyzer considers that strength "Good".

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I agree completely with both, especially JDbaker comment. As far as this poll goes, still needs more votes overall to get a real guage. It would be interesting to see all those who voted in poll ishowed, in this one. There's no doubt people are unhappy with how Asus dealing with this. It isn't like they leaving everyone completely in the dark though. They are trying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Hahaha.. I know 720p vs 1080i/p on a 10in???, I can see it if was a 42" in screen. And the increase in camera is only like .7 or something megapixel. The color I could like, its going into a case anyways. Guess well see, anything can happen other tablets, and who knows the TF201 C4-D-E-F serials could satisfy my standards.

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If you really want to see..... Hmmm.. Start a thread and instead of a poll we can do it by thanks. You can get the positive and Ill get the negatives, then the polls can be tallyed with actual names. It would get the thank count boost.:D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Before I even came into the prime forum I had maybe 40-60 or so thanks. I had maybe only 550-600 post count ;) So its obvious I've been very busy and helpful in Prime forum. I like tablets, as far as Modding n such more than phones. Can't risk stuff on my phone as I need it working everyday..lol

If you want a thank count boost, just create another prime bashing or hater thread. I'm sure all the haters will show up and support you ...:p

On another note, some of these other threads are getting crazy. I can see that lawsuit thread getting shut down soon. Things getting heated in there. What I don't get is why someone who doesn't even own a prime or someone who returned it and supposedly moved on, seems to love to hang around and bash Prime/Asus/Nvidia any chance they get. MORE than enough people are in support of all those, so it'll be a never ending battle. No one backing down, especially those satisfied with their device. Forum is becoming divided. No matter which side is bigger, its not good overall for this section. I see it as people trying to sabotage or bring down this section. I'm sure we are the rowdiest right now of all xda forums. It'll be different if those who criticize the prime were being constructive or overall helpful about. Just plain bashing it doesn't follow that model.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Im sure within the middle of this year, this forum will mellow out. People will move on and hopefully have a more positive front page. I dont totally hate the prime TF201, I know its potential, I just dont like it at the moment. People can change their mind, it just takes a catalyst.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] i500:
It all depends on what Asus will do. I'm getting this one replaced but if they can't solve their problems by the end of my return period that k2 and the new Sammy chips loom pretty delicious to me. :D